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From: May 21, 1997 |
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Deena -:- Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 10:27:54 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 20:35:00 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 20:39:22 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:24:39 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:37:59 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:43:51 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:48:26 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 22:10:23 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 22:46:29 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 22:57:09 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 23:25:12 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 01:24:21 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 08:22:22 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 08:29:50 (EDT) ___Deena...another revelation -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 09:02:15 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 09:49:26 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 12:04:11 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 13:07:31 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 13:15:49 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 14:01:51 (EDT) ___Deena to PS -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 15:02:51 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 16:33:59 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 16:57:48 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 17:04:57 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 17:23:40 (EDT) ___Scott -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 17:37:54 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:12:06 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:17:27 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:33:01 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:43:18 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:42:29 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:48:04 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 06:56:32 (EDT) ___Mili -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 08:22:23 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 09:56:22 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 10:28:38 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:20:06 (EDT) ___Bobby -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:53:24 (EDT) ___Mili -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:30:26 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:05:25 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:13:42 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:19:11 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 17:12:31 (EDT) ___Bobby -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 17:25:55 (EDT) ___Mili -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 04:29:43 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Sun, May 25, 1997 at 17:19:46 (EDT) ___Bill -:- Re: Fantasy -:- Sun, May 25, 1997 at 20:15:01 (EDT) Scott -:- New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 10:24:42 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 10:47:21 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 11:02:52 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 11:27:33 (EDT) ___Deena to Jim -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 11:37:51 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 13:15:31 (EDT) ___Scott -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 13:19:52 (EDT) ___Scott -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 21, 1997 at 16:51:29 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:11:49 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:26:58 (EDT) ___PS -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:34:54 (EDT) ___Douche -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 05:13:46 (EDT) ___Bill -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 20:54:45 (EDT) ___Douche -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 28, 1997 at 03:50:54 (EDT) ___Douche -:- Re: New Archive #8 -:- Wed, May 28, 1997 at 03:52:59 (EDT) |
Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 10:27:54 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Everyone Subject: Fantasy Message: I remembered this morning how I use to have a fantasy about Maharaji where I would be washing the floor at the residence or cleaning the plane and be completely content to have this small service because if it meant I would be able to see him walk past once in a while, well that was enough for me. I use to get so blissed out imagining the whole thing. My husband understood completely.My husband and I use to talk about having a room with wall size photos of MJ, even on the ceiling too. We never did it, of course, we knew what the rest of the world would think of it.Then there was the time we were talking about how if we won a lottery we could give most of it to MJ. It was right around the time that he was wanting to build the knowledge centre on the land in Australia. He needed millions of dollars and we smiled as we thought how amazing it would be to hand it to him.I share these memories to illustrate how far gone in our devotion we were together. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 20:35:00 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: My husband and I use to talk about having a room with wall size photos of MJ, even on the ceiling too. Lucky for you that MJ doesn't feel his
product is worth advertising, or you might have done the walls of your entire
house in billboards.
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 20:39:22 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: My husband and I use to talk about having a room with wall size photos of MJ, even on the ceiling too. Lucky for you that MJ doesn't
feel his product is worth advertising, or you might have done the walls of
your entire house in billboards. Peels of uproarious
laughter...truely.
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:24:39 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: This friday will be your first chance to miss a live M talk. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:37:59 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Halllllleighuuuuuiiiiaa!! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:43:51 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Deena, Ask D. to show you some pictures of all the premies in Full Button Jacket. We dressed like that right before the Tet Offensive (Millenium). Can you believe we actually went to our straight jobs wearing as many as 20 buttons at a time and didn't get fired? Maybe there is grace after all. We're not just talking the small buttons either. I had a couple of Maharaji buttons bigger than big macs and one or two favorite Mata Ji ones too. Mata Ji in Lingerie was one series that really made the mind stop for a second. Then there were the other Holy Family buttons. Raja Ji looking like Mr. Holy Macho Man. Can you imagine what his courtship with Claudia was like? While the rest of us little weenies prayed for his contribution to the general grace pool, Raja Ji was fucking her all around the residence! Imagine! We prayed that not a single sexual thought would cross our thoughtless brows and he's double dating with fearless leader. And, lest there's too much to ponder in one lifetime, may I remind you -- WE PAID FOR IT! Then, Deena, you could ask H if he ever had a protable altar. I did. Oh sure, I had converted my desk at work into an altar of sorts. At the hieght of this sublime craze I must have had four or five pictures of Maharaji on my desk at work. And of course every premie vehicle had a plastic Maharaji hanging from the rear view mirror. (Yes, Chris, I'm a liar! There were no such products. I don't know why, come to think of it, but there weren't). Well, an altar anyways. But the portable altars, boy were they smart. Red velvet in a sharp, pine case. Two-tiered (nothing extravagant) that still allowed for Maharaji's pic up top and a few Holy Family members below. No art, just stark, white walls. Maharaji's face everywhere. Here and there a copy of the commandments. Sometimes, in the bathroom, you'd find an 'Are you on the word?' sign. Lots of 'sisters' walking around in nurses' white pants. Remember Anne Johnston from then? Ask H if he remembers any of that? Ask him if he ever got to eat
Mahatma Ji's leftovers? How bout drinking charnamrit -- homeopathically
diluted bath water from the Lord. Ask him about the time Maharaji had an
ulcer. We were told Maharaji was taking on our karma. What a guy, huh? Ask him
if he knows whatever happened to the enema that was stolen from Maharaji's
hotel room? (Just kidding, Chris, just kidding).
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 21:48:26 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris, don't mind Deena. She's so rude. Just don't listen to her. I, on the
other hand, am showing a deep interest. I think I might even be SINCERE. (I
don't know, I wouldn't want to SPECULATE). So, what are you talking about?
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 22:10:23 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Jim, Jim! Tell me please. Was there really a commandment in the washroom? I need to know. I'll tell you someday why. Yes, he's told me some things. Remember, I knew the ashram because he was living in it when I met him. I remember sneaking around one day when everyone was gone, and being in awe of what I saw. In his room was a chair with a pillow where HIS feet would be. I asked and it was true that the chair was only for you know who. Altar's everywhere, yes. Stark walls with his photos, yes. But so clean Jim. How could I resist Jim. It was so damn clean! Charnamrit....I nearly forgot about that stuff. I drank it after singing Arti. I went to Satsang every night without fail. And I always was under the impression that it was water that had bathed his feet? It makes me sick to think I drank that now. Man, you
should be ashamed of yourself Jim. You owe Maharaji big time. I mean he took
on your Karma and got an ulcer. That's just like how he got so fat because he
could never refuse any gift of food that was given to him. Oh god how he
suffered! You poor deprived person. Here he is fornicating and having kids,
and all you get out of the deal is bliss and no more suffering and pain, no
more suffering and pain.
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 22:46:29 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Yes we had commandments everywhere. We also had these big mansions, like Lowther in Toronto or Osler in Vancouver. Race Street, was it, in Denver? Big, big, houses, with no, no furniture. Once, Anne Johnston decided to hold a 'tea' for some families in Toronto. My mummy came. We were so proud. Anne was a little chattier, or softer, than she sometimes was. We assembled all these folding, plastic chairs in the living room -- sorry, SATSANG room. Everyone sat around, no shoes of course, under the altar of The Living Lord and drank tea. It was so wierd. That night we had satsang. We ALWAYS had satsang. There we dissed our families in the most patronizing ways. To think of how condescending we were to non-premies. Imagine? All it took ---- hey, I just thought of something. What about all that fright shit about Knowledge being like a truckload of vegetables. Don't use it and it ROTS inside. Now, as I understood it, that was because receiving Knowledge was the most solemn, irreversible act a person could take. It didn't matter if you ever practised, or denied it all, if you had your third eye opened and did not practise you were fucked big time. So how does that jive with knowledge just being a set
of techniques? What I'm asking about is the myth that something cosmic happens
in the knowlddge session. At what point of the video does that now occur? It
used to be easy, it was when Mahatma Ji touched your third eye. What about
now?
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 22:57:09 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris, don't mind Deena. She's so rude. Just don't listen to her. I, on the other hand, am showing a deep interest. I think I might even be SINCERE. (I don't know, I wouldn't want to SPECULATE). So, what are you talking about? She's nude, not rude. Deena's alright. A free spirit. Having a bit of fun. Letting loose. Going for it. Party animal. Talking Friday in Universal City. Closer to Victoria than Washington DC. Ripleys Believe It or Not, movie monsters next door and the Oarhouse. And my smiley-face. Cheers, CD
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 23:25:12 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: I had a couple M pictures posted at my job before Millenium. The premie house I lived in was the only place I have ever lived with 8 guys in the same bedroom. Suprising that we didn't duke it out a few times. Once, a head of the house did get mad at me when I stole the VW Van and kicked me in the shins. Overall I enjoyed the experience of living in the house. The household members were colorful and memorable. I would certainly like to see them again. I do remember singing Arti at 5 in the morning a couple of times with Fakiranand at an ashram. And I remember when Rajeshwar stayed at my apartment in Ocean Beach after 20 premies had spic-n-spanned it. I found him to be a very interesting person. Em ... D Em D Em D Em C D Em CD
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 01:24:21 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Not fantasy, but delusion. And like any good delusion once you accept the basic premise, i.e. Maharaji as perfect master/lord of universe, then everything else follows quite logically. As premies we were left with: 1. maharaji is perfect master and whatever he does is perfect and 2. if you don't understand something, it's due to your lack of realization, and you should refer to rule number one. How could you not make the lord of the universe
the center of your life?
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 08:22:22 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: I had a couple M pictures posted at my job before Millenium. The premie house I lived in was the only place I have ever lived with 8 guys in the same bedroom. Suprising that we didn't duke it out a few times. Once, a head of the house did get mad at me when I stole the VW Van and kicked me in the shins. Overall I enjoyed the experience of living in the house. The household members were colorful and memorable. I would certainly like to see them again. I do remember singing Arti at 5 in the morning a couple of times with Fakiranand at an ashram. And I remember when Rajeshwar stayed at my apartment in Ocean Beach after 20 premies had spic-n-spanned it. I found him to be a very interesting person. Em ... D Em D Em D Em C D Em CD
Vintage Chris. Did you really find him 'interesting'? Wow!
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 08:29:50 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Not fantasy, but delusion. And like any good delusion once you accept the basic premise, i.e. Maharaji as perfect master/lord of universe, then everything else follows quite logically. As premies we were left with: 1. maharaji is perfect master and whatever he does is perfect and 2. if you don't understand something, it's due to your lack of realization, and you should refer to rule number one. How could you not make the lord of the universe the center of your life? Sorry PS, I hate to be the one and all but.... well, didn't you notice? OP told us there weren't any rules. You must have the wrong group. Why don't you check down the hall? There's another cult just down over there. See? No, it couldn't be Maharaji because there were
no rules here. Commandments? Oh maybe. But not any more. No rule, new rule,
newspeack, nospeak. Christhink, smilespeak. Bholeshrink. Hoodwink.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 09:02:15 (EDT)
Poster: Deena...another revelation Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Good morning sunshine! If you don't use the gift of knowledge nowadays, the vegie thing isn't the analogy used. It's the seed that if you don't give it what it needs won't grow. It's the candle flame that has to be cradled gently so it doesn't blow out in the wind. Innocuous (is that tha word) insipid huh? And as far as when that magic occurs that makes the process of recieveing knowledge real for aspirants, well my my Jim, haven't you heard enough about how the message of the Truth is conveyed with video. Personal contact isn't needed then. Not a big leap to understand that this thing is bigger than the forces of time and space. He's magic Jim, he can do it, he can do it! I mean give me a break, he is within you guiding you too. He's God-like...but he doesn't have the psychic ability to recognize someone whose name is the same as someone else in the room, so he spends 15 minutes speaking to the wrong person instead of me. Pretty awesome power eh? I had another
revelation...This sight is a deprogramming process and that is why the premies
are so uncomfortable. Scott...what do you think. explains alot we talked
about. That part of us that still needs deprogramming. We need each other to
complete the process of undoing the damaging programing. Just a theory you
understand.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 09:49:26 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: This sight is a deprogramming process and that is why the premies are so uncomfortable. Scott...what do you think. explains alot we talked about. That part of us that still needs deprogramming. We need each other to complete the process of undoing the damaging programing. Just a theory you understand. For my part, I find that's true. Maybe in a perfect world I could just wander off and forget the whole thing, but I seem to need to talk it out as I think it through. The people on this site (on either side of the question) are the only people that I can discuss it with constructively. I could find the same disbelief on a pro-Hare Krishna, but it would be slanted toward a different belief to plug into the void -- hence my own reluctance to rush off and buy any book. I'd rather use this page to work through my tendency to believe that anyone other than myself is, in the end, in charge of my life. People on this site who defend MJ as the Lord, merely echo words
that I have used in the past, and I find it interesting to see that mindset
from an outside perspective. I've been Mili, Chris, and even Opie (though I
ran with a poorer crowd) at times.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 12:04:11 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: At one of those huge, huge, ashrams, with no furnitue that I lived in Anne Johnston also hosted an event. This was a formal dinner and the ashram brothers were the waiters. We wore white shirts and ties and crisp white aprons that the ashram sisters had ironed. We served cheese pie (glorified macarroni and cheese), salad and herbal tea, and healthy cookies that tasted like hockey pucks for desert. A premie sister sang a sweet devotional song. Then we had "introductory" satsang for our parents and co-workers. Even "introductory" satsang back then mentioned, in front of a big altar with GMJ's huge (2'x3') picture on it framed in gold, that he was the perfect master of our time and that he was the equivalent of Jesus, Buddha and Krishna. We said this with big smiles on our faces. Stupid? yes. Condescending? yes. But it made us feel like we could bend the rules and sit in chairs and act cordial and not treat our parents like the evil "attachments" we had all been taught they were. I invited a couple of people I worked with. They were cordial
and were used to seeing me wearing big buttons with GMJs face on it (and
before that Mata Ji and Bal Bagwan Ji on them too. Not Bohle Ji; I had seen
him pick his nose once and it grossed me out so I didn't wear his buttons or
listen to his best selling albums), but after the event they never mentioned a
word about it to me. They just acted like it never happened. I wonder why?
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 13:07:31 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: It's nice to know that people agree. Hey, Brian, did you get my e-mail? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 13:15:49 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Hey JW, even in it's watered down version today it is the same. People that I brought to intro videos, unless they became aspirants-which were few thank goodness, didn't mention it, as if it never occured. They even knew that it was a major part of my life at the time, but no talkey. So I quess it doesn't have to be blantantly weird, just following some guy with such enthusiasum is questionable enough. We use to say the party line of ...oh well, you never know when they will come back now that their hearts have heard what they long to hear. Quick, gag me with a spoon. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 14:01:51 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Deena...another revelation Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: The programming is so subtle. I received knowledge in 1971, went to India, lived in Ashram for 3 years doing PR. After being an ex-premie for 15 years, went to a program in Long Beach in 12/96 to deal with old ghosts. The program evokied all sorts of programmed feelings I thought were long dead but I guess just dormant. It is very, very subtle particularly in light of Maharaji's being a new improved new age guru(teacher?) It is amazing how 8000(the same # of 20 years ago) singing Rock Me Maharaji can evoke so much. This forum has helped me step back and see so much of the distorted thinking premies take for devotion having suspended their critical thinking abilities. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 15:02:51 (EDT)
Poster: Deena to PS Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Thanks for sharing that...Please share more as it helps so much. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 16:33:59 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Given that your co-workers were mum on the M subject, what were the great topics that you discussed at work? Surely they had some great insights to impart to you. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 16:57:48 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: My girlfriend doesn't like 'Rock Me Maharaji' but she still had a fine time at the Long Beach event according to the smile on her face. Today she is interested in going to the event this Friday. She does not do just what I tell her, you can bet on that! As far as music at a program goes, I do prefer total live music. Was anything of value or enjoyable at the Long Beach event? What is distorted in realizing that many important questions do not have a nice rational answer? That is why in math there are objects called irrational numbers. This was a controversy way back in the time of Pythagoras. How many people in this society are truely their own master? What role do corporations, political parties, patriotism, governments, infomercials, rich mens clubs, the media and special interest groups play in how people are actually spending their time in this lifetime? I prefer Maharajis advice to look inside to realize the highest priority goal and peace. This does not mean that other pursuits are worthless. It simply determines a priority ordering. CD
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 17:04:57 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Given that your co-workers were mum on the M subject, what were the great topics that you discussed at work? Surely they had some great insights to impart to you. And you care about this, why?
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 17:23:40 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris: What color is the sky in your world? Do you alphabetize your underwear drawer? Is your name sewn into your clothes? Do you ever accidently lock yourself into the bathroom? Are the tags still on your pillows? Did you grow up in Stepford? Do you always have a handkerchief with you? When you let go of your girlfriend's hand, have you ever gotten lost? Don't you just love 'Michael, Row The Boat Ashore'? How do you fold maps? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 17:37:54 (EDT)
Poster: Scott Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Dear Chris, - That's a great slogan, 'The Truth Is Inside'. Also I recall Maharaji once saying that it was possible for anyone to 'realize' knowledge in the twinkling of an eye, just as he once supposedly did. - Now, several 'twinklings' later, I see several current premie friends, still living in states of great upheaval in their lives, now no longer even permitted to publicly speak about Knowledge, being told that they are all screwed up because they actually believed the promises Maharaji once made to them????? And most importantly, believing it! - If you were really able to find 'Inner Peace', wouldn't you no longer need kiss anyone else's feet, (or lick their boots, however you want to look at it?) - If you really found, 'Inner Peace', and were able to make good on Maharaji's one time promise of 'realizing Knowledge', wouldn't you then be able to find absolute beauty, completion, & wholeness in all things and all people, not having to limit yourself to finding it only in one thing, and in one place, namely in M.?
Sincerely,Scott
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:12:06 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris, How's my favorite coward doing? Why, pray tell, would you expect anyone to answer any of your questions when you won't answer theirs? Oh, 'coward' because you don't have any principles. You stand for nothing. Or do you? Tell me, Chris, what DO you stand for? You 'participate' here -- if
you can call it that -- on the wierdest basis. All you do is say the
occasional shit, often superficial and inconsequential, often indecipherable.
Why? Or are you too frightened to even talk about that?
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:17:27 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris: What color is the sky in your world? Do you alphabetize your underwear drawer? Is your name sewn into your clothes? Do you ever accidently lock yourself into the bathroom? Are the tags still on your pillows? Did you grow up in Stepford? Do you always have a handkerchief with you? When you let go of your girlfriend's hand, have you ever gotten lost? Don't you just love 'Michael, Row The Boat Ashore'? How do you fold maps? BBBBBBRRRRRRIIIIIIIAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:33:01 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris, what these other people on the site, don't realize and I just figured out, is that you are not expressing literally, but you speak and write always in the form of a haiku, in which you simply point to one thing, or a pairing of things (no more), and say how it moved you, just like a Japanese poet or someone on drugs. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 20:43:18 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris, what these other people on the site, don't realize and I just figured out, is that you are not expressing literally, but you speak and write always in the form of a haiku, in which you simply point to one thing, or a pairing of things (no more), and say how it moved you, just like a Japanese poet or someone on drugs. Hey, I resent that! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:42:29 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris: What color is the sky in your world? Do you alphabetize your underwear drawer? Is your name sewn into your clothes? Do you ever accidently lock yourself into the bathroom? Are the tags still on your pillows? Did you grow up in Stepford? Do you always have a handkerchief with you? When you let go of your girlfriend's hand, have you ever gotten lost? Don't you just love 'Michael, Row The Boat Ashore'? How do you fold maps? The sky is sky blue. Underware is on the floor. No personal monograms. I have lost clothes when drinking. I don't lock the bathroom door. Tags are on the pillows. Grew up in sunny southern california. I love living at the beach. Never use a handkerchief. I like to spit. I don't get lost. I hitchhiked in Europe for 8 months when I was 21. Twice across the US. I like hard rock music. I play a Les Paul through a Marshall. I saw Hendrix 5 times No specific map folding procedure. I graded all the exams in a third year partial differential equations engineering class. (book was by Hildebrand) The fruit flys got out of control in my genetics lab. Not enough lab discipline. Passed 25 courses in my management science major. Mostly As. (economics, operations research, econometrics marketing, accounting ...) A couple years in engineering grad school (systems science). Currently reading 'Bombardiers' by Po Bronson since I liked 'The first 20 Million'. A little bit of 'Guru Papers'. I have a bottle of 1904 Jack Daniels. I like Stella Artois on tap. Currently studying secure electronic commerce systems to hopefully get a profitable Internet business going. http://www.webcom.com/garjak/cdickey/mcsestudy.html And you sir?
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:48:04 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Yes. Each person ultimately answers their own questions. Light green
Haiwaiian is nice. Not too much - g.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 06:56:32 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris, what these other people on the site, don't realize and I just figured out, is that you are not expressing literally, but you speak and write always in the form of a haiku, in which you simply point to one thing, or a pairing of things (no more), and say how it moved you, just like a Japanese poet or someone on drugs. So what you're describing is some sort of exotic Japanese mind virus??? MY GOD, MAN!! Can we stop it at our borders before it infects our water supply? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 08:22:23 (EDT)
Poster: Mili Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Not fantasy, but delusion. And like any good delusion once you accept the basic premise, i.e. Maharaji as perfect master/lord of universe, then everything else follows quite logically. As premies we were left with: 1. maharaji is perfect master and whatever he does is perfect and 2. if you don't understand something, it's due to your lack of realization, and you should refer to rule number one. How could you not make the lord of the universe
the center of your life? He is obviously still the center of their
life for people like Jim, Deena, Scott, etc. Can't shake it off!
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 09:56:22 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Chris: What color is the sky in your world? Do you alphabetize your underwear drawer? Is your name sewn into your clothes? Do you ever accidently lock yourself into the bathroom? Are the tags still on your pillows? Did you grow up in Stepford? Do you always have a handkerchief with you? When you let go of your girlfriend's hand, have you ever gotten lost? Don't you just love 'Michael, Row The Boat Ashore'? How do you fold maps? The sky is sky blue. Underware is on the floor. No personal monograms. I have lost clothes when drinking. I don't lock the bathroom door. Tags are on the pillows. Grew up in sunny southern california. I love living at the beach. Never use a handkerchief. I like to spit. I don't get lost. I hitchhiked in Europe for 8 months when I was 21. Twice across the US. I like hard rock music. I play a Les Paul through a Marshall. I saw Hendrix 5 times No specific map folding procedure. I graded all the exams in a third year partial differential equations engineering class. (book was by Hildebrand) The fruit flys got out of control in my genetics lab. Not enough lab discipline. Passed 25 courses in my management science major. Mostly As. (economics, operations research, econometrics marketing, accounting ...) A couple years in engineering grad school (systems science). Currently reading 'Bombardiers' by Po Bronson since I liked 'The first 20 Million'. A little bit of 'Guru Papers'. I have a bottle of 1904 Jack Daniels. I like Stella Artois on tap. Currently studying secure electronic commerce systems to hopefully get a profitable Internet business going. http://www.webcom.com/garjak/cdickey/mcsestudy.html And you sir? I love it when you talk that way, Chris! I get all excited. 'Why, here's an intelligent fellow,' I tell myself. ' Maybe I can talk with him. Now wouldn't that be nice? He knows big words and maybe he can teach me some.'
Then, we get talking about Maharaji adn you turn into a goof. Why?
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 10:28:38 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Mili Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Mili, when you say: 'He is obviously still the center of their life for people like Jim, Deena, Scott, etc. Can't shake it off!' I feel like saying: Oh pea brain, you are really such a dimwit aren't you? Did it ever
occur to you that, by your own reasoning, you yourself are 'obsessed' with us?
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:20:06 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: There is nothing distorted about looking within oneself for answers, and many important questions do not have clearly defined rational answers. What IS distorted is believing that Maharaji is the source of one's ability to search within, or that he has provided any answers, rational or otherwise. His 'advice,'as you put it, to look inside is not exactly revolutionary. What was disturbing about the program in Long Beach, is the continued focus on guru worship. DLM has become more and more secretive. Remember how Maharaji would use the parable about not hiding the light under a basket? Now, you can't find it without inside information. Maharaji's narcissism becomes increasingly apparent. Worship him, meditate 20 min/day (TM?) and peace is within? Wow, what a deal. No need for struggle, compassion or service for others. I'm guru, your OK. All the trappings of a real spiritual path with none of the work. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:53:24 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: PS said: No need for struggle, compassion or service for others. I'm guru, your OK. All the trappings of a real spiritual path with none of the work. It seems you've hit on the the main part of why I don't have a lot of interest in Maharaji's path. The spiritual path is the work of a lifetime. Maharaji seems to present it as a quick-fix easy way out. Very materialistic. I remember being very very excited about DUO and all the service projects. I sure was disappointed when it all fizzled. While I may entertain the guru/disciple context, at least how it shows up in Asia, I'm not at all convinced that Maharaji is any more "realized" than anyone else. He's in the guru business. I'll certainly not worship him. I have no problem with Knowledge per se. As a meditation, it's good stuff. Were Maharaji merely offer the meditation, even enjoy a comfortable lifestyle as a result of it, I would have no problem. But avatar? Come on. Do people still worship
Maharaji? Anyone here worship Maharaji?
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:30:26 (EDT)
Poster: Mili Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: PS said: No need for struggle, compassion or service for others. I'm guru, your OK. All the trappings of a real spiritual path with none of the work. It seems you've hit on the the main part of why I don't have a lot of interest in Maharaji's path. The spiritual path is the work of a lifetime. Maharaji seems to present it as a quick-fix easy way out. Very materialistic. I remember being very very excited about DUO and all the service projects. I sure was disappointed when it all fizzled. While I may entertain the guru/disciple context, at least how it shows up in Asia, I'm not at all convinced that Maharaji is any more 'realized' than anyone else. He's in the guru business. I'll certainly not worship him. I have no problem with Knowledge per se. As a meditation, it's good stuff. Were Maharaji merely offer the meditation, even enjoy a comfortable lifestyle as a result of it, I would have no problem. But avatar? Come on. Do people still worship
Maharaji? Anyone here worship Maharaji? it would be interesting to
really get down to business here and try to see how come all these people
thought he was the Lord in the first place. Was it a group thing? Was it
because someone started the idea and it circulated? if I were to tell you I am
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:05:25 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: That's so true. That "no need for compassion for others" in the Maharaj Ji world created such an arrogance among premies, and of Maharaj Ji too. It was like "I've got it" and that's all you need to do in your life. Forget about any obligation you have to other people or the world. But if Maharaj Ji is
a narcissistic megalomaniac, you would think he would try to prove that by
getting as many people involved in following him as possible. Did he just give
up on that after he failed in the 70s, and is is forced to be happy with a few
thousand people worshiping him and to leave it at that? I know he wants to
avoid scrutiny, but it must have been a big come-down for him to go from
promising that the whole world would receive knowledge, to heading a
semi-secret cult with such a limited number of members. He also can't demand
"devotion" like he used to, I guess he must just imply it.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:13:42 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Mili Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Am I reading this right? Did you actually post the same thing in three places? Mili, your manners are atrocious. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:19:11 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Good point, JW. I'm sure Maharaji's fondest memories are of his teenage Lord years. He still had a whole generation's benefit of the doubt. Young wife, lots of press. Now, his furtive efforts to 'spread this knowledge' are so schizophrenic, hell, maybe he deserves the money! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 17:12:31 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Mili Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: I think the 8000 premies in Long Beach(12/96)still think he's the Satguru and are worshiping him. If you can find the site by a professor who has studied the Radhasuami group of gurus in India, i.e, Charan Singh, Kirpal Singh, you will find that maharaji is just following a common path (Sri Hans had been initiated by Charan/Kipal's guru). They all initiate followers in light, music ,word. They are all referred to as Satguru, have Satsang, give darshan, etc. Devotion to guru is extremely important(remember, guru is greater than god because he reveals god). Is is interesting to note the when Charan Singh became Satguru, he turned over all the inherited wealth that came with it to a non-profit org., he also refused all gifts and money, and supported himself with income from a family farm. It was evident to me, in Long Beach, that the focus is still very much on maharji-the pictures, tapes, programs, 25 year anniversary silver coins, etc.-not the spiritual path(nobody uses that term there anymore),or justice, peace(unless it's your own)etc. It's still darshan, just a new, more acceptable version. If he had said come kiss my feet, there would have been a stampede to the stage. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 17:25:55 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Yeah, I did read some stuff on that professor's site. And years ago I read Kirpal Singh and others in his lineage and noted how similar their techniques were to "knowledge". Interesting about Charan Singh turning over his inherited wealth to non-profit and then supporting himself from family farm. The man who was my guru is
rather fabulously opulent. Talked with him personally a time or two during the
period when I thought he might be enlightened. Never was too impressed with
either his conversation or his public discourse.
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 04:29:43 (EDT)
Poster: Mili Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: That didn't quite hit the mark, Jim. You've done better. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 25, 1997 at 17:19:46 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: PS Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: PS says: 'Worship him, meditate 20 min/day (TM?) and peace is within? Wow, what a deal. No need for struggle, compassion or service for others. I'm guru, your OK. All the trappings of a real spiritual path with none of the work.' Don't know how you dreamt up this idea that you are proclaiming as the
way it is. It is certainly your personal idea but not what is happening.
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Date: Sun, May 25, 1997 at 20:15:01 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Fantasy Message: Who was that? rajneesh? He is a was. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 10:24:42 (EDT)
Poster: Scott Email: To: Everyone Subject: New Archive #8 Message: Dear Forum Participants, - Once again that little 'bump' in our discussions has occurred and important threads will have to be re-started. I should have archive #8 done in the next hour or so. As always, I somehow seem to find myself irresistably drawn back to participating, no matter how hard I try to take a break. Is this an obsession? Don't know... Take care. Scott PS: You might notice I have updated our Start New Thread
form to include an email spot. Also I finally took down the stuff about
<p>'s and <br>'s.
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 10:47:21 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: Jim especially, but all Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: I'm glad to see I've been archived away, since there are two programs with M this weekend and I suddenly have a few other things to do this week. Jim,
I'm taking a copy of the post where you listed all the things you feel I owe
you. If I have a chance I'll write up a reply and post it later. Seeya Monday,
probably.
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 11:02:52 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: I know exactly what you mean. I keep thinking I'm cutting back. I took almost a week off and thought I was cured but something keeps pulling me back too. Is it our complete disbelief that this part of our life ever occured? I mean, when I read my post Fantasy I cringe because that can't be me. And when I go into the closet that has my husbands (I get tired of referring to him that way, but he has specifically asked I not use his name. Actually, he says he'd prefer I left him out of it all together) but I find that impossible) 2 photos that he has displayed, I look at them and I feel almost sick at the thought that I adored....worshiped MJ before. Now I see how arrogant he looks in these photos. My previous programming tells me that is because when you look at a photo of MJ it reflects what is in you. I know photos don't have any life of their own, but we're talking photos of not just your average Joe. Videos are not just videos when it is MJ. And when people say they feel attracted to MJ he has often said that that is because he reflects what is already in them. Boy, am I in trouble then. When I look at MJ I see a con man, plain and simple. When I look at photos of him as a child, I see a victim of his father's abusive system. None the less he is human. Not Lord. Not magically. Not able to impart anything at all. Definately some wise and beautiful messages that he shares occasionally, that he admits are not original. But so what? There are tons of sources of inner peace and wisdom out there. Lots of people fulfilled by that AND even following other Guru's too. Everyone feeling that they have found THE way. And sometimes the teachers or masters claim to not just be able to inspire and remind people, but they claim to be the only way people can experience the TRUTH. Could it be Scott, that our previous
programming that labeled all of our ruminations on this forum as MIND is the
part of us that believes THATstill....a faint trace of cultic thinking that
hangs on to haunt us still?
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 11:27:33 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: op Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Hey, OP, before you go, why not take a copy of some of this shit and show your good, friend Maharaji? Ask HIM what the answers are. Then you can avoid your dreaded SPECULATION. While you're at it, please ask him why he didn't answer my letter. Please ask him as well how to get through to him being that both his top instructor and the president of his organization have said they didn't think it was their place to pass along messages to him. You might mention to him that the New Yorker article will come out soon and how unfortunate for him that he chose to not be interviewed. Finally, you
might ask him for divine help in answering some of these questions. You're
going to need it.
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 11:37:51 (EDT)
Poster: Deena to Jim Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Better still, book a flight to Washington and ask him yourself. Only problem is that you've been black listed and they probably wouldn't let you in the door! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 13:15:31 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Yes, a part of ourselves we are are still trying to convince that we 'really' aren't in our minds, very well put! It makes sense that in order for all of us to have embraced, at one time, the concept that MJ has God-like power, some part of us would still be clinging to such a heady belief system. Maybe it's the same part that wants to believe in Santa Claus? When do you think we'lll ever 'really' grow up Scott? I know Jim is waiting ever so patiently. Or is a part of him still trying to convince himself that he isn't 'really' in his mind? Oh Lord, I'm getting confused now. I can't make sense of all of this, Do you think it would help to stick a video in and listen to Maharaji at this point? But then, I do have an irresistable urge to just sit down and practise. I do! Then I'd detach and this would all go away....everyone's off to see the Wizard...should I go.....it's comforting to know if I miss him this time I'll be able to be in His (oops,there it is!) presence this summer when he does his North American tour! When my hubbie goes off to experience
the' Ultimate' feeling and be with the one he loves the most in this world,
will you guys meet me for an ex-premie gathering to celebrate our freedom?
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 13:19:52 (EDT)
Poster: Scott Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Dear Deena, - Glad I'm not the only one who is questioning his own sanity about the wisdom of spending so much time on this forum. Actually, for me I somehow still feel that I came closer to many of the premies and ex-premies I once knew and now know from this forum than I have been able to come with precious few people in my life. Perhaps that is why we all put up with one another, warts and all, here on this forum. (Lord knows there are warts!) - Maybe someday we'll all be able to get together and have an 'Anything Forum' festival/ slugfest. Hey, that could be fun! - Scott
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Date: Wed, May 21, 1997 at 16:51:29 (EDT)
Poster: Scott Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Ok, Deena, you caught me, (you sent me an email correctly accusing me of yanking my last posting.) - Yes, it certainly is possible to look at it that way too (From the viewpoint that we are spending our time here our of guilt motivations). Perhaps that is why the post I yanked was along those lines. Again, sorry about that. - Guilt is certainly something that seems as prevalent to me as a virus. Perhaps I sometimes spend whole days, months, or even years acting out of motivations of guilt. I do think, however, that guilt is just about as universal in all cultures as it's positive twin, love. - Yes, I do believe that it is possible to view all of our participation here in this forum as the result of some sort of hidden, pre-programmed guilt, for having 'defected' from the good 'ole Lord of the Universe. But then there's always the 'flip side'. - Perhaps all of our participation here (and all of our participation 'there' in old premiedom) is/ was the result of our desire to return 'home' to some sort of a place that we only vaguely suspect we have left, yet we will never be fully satisfied until we 'return' to whatever place this is or was. Now I know for sure that having said that OP and Mili will be getting their bee bee guns and telling me they know where I should go! - But honestly, do you think that Maharaji was totally off the mark when he used to speak about there being a sort of lost innocence that we long to (and ought to) return to, or do you think that that was just one of M.'s many con lines? Scott
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:11:49 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Jim,why should MJi answer questions when has something even better than historical revisionism-pure denial. In fact he doesn't even have to deny, just ignore and devoted premies won't question. After all 'leave no room for doubt in your mind.' Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:26:58 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: I know I have found this forum to be therapeutic. Being a "true believer' is a very powerful experience and I think it leaves little markers. How powereful it made us, to believe that we were of the select few who knew Truth is this age. We were willing to believe anything and do anything. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:34:54 (EDT)
Poster: PS Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Scott, no I don't think it's off the mark. Something in us recognizes that. Good politicians, con men, etc. know how to play to our needs/desires for their benefit but it doesn't invalidate the need or reality. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 05:13:46 (EDT)
Poster: Douche Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Deena, just a thought, but why not hide the bog-roll (toilet paper). You could tell hubby that it was an emergency and the photos of BigM were the nearest thing to hand! Douche
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 20:54:45 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: yes Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 28, 1997 at 03:50:54 (EDT)
Poster: Douche Email: To: Douche Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: Sorry Scott, I'm just trying to test whether this will appear in italics or not. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, May 28, 1997 at 03:52:59 (EDT)
Poster: Douche Email: To: Douche Subject: Re: New Archive #8 Message: testing testing Back To Index -:- Top of Index |