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Forum I Archive # 5

From: May 21, 1997

To: May 28, 1997

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Mili -:- What Jim Will Never Say -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 12:00:06 (EDT)
___lia -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 14:15:02 (EDT)
___Deena -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 15:27:22 (EDT)
___Mili -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 15:29:18 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:17:42 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:54:37 (EDT)
___Mili -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 02:57:16 (EDT)
___Douche -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 03:44:05 (EDT)
___Mili -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 04:44:35 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 05:36:22 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 09:54:57 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 10:24:43 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:13:13 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:17:04 (EDT)
___Mili to Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:29:11 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:57:17 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:16:50 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:28:39 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:39:17 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:40:09 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 14:30:12 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 14:44:40 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 14:49:58 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:33:59 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:56:53 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 16:35:23 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 18:42:46 (EDT)
___Rockin' Bob -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 20:35:13 (EDT)
___bill -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 20:48:17 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 21:27:11 (EDT)
___Bill -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 21:52:50 (EDT)
___Bill -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Fri, May 23, 1997 at 21:56:11 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:02:14 (EDT)
___bill -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 13:15:45 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 19:22:30 (EDT)
___bill -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sat, May 24, 1997 at 20:49:53 (EDT)
___Mili -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sun, May 25, 1997 at 13:36:24 (EDT)
___Mili to lia -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sun, May 25, 1997 at 15:19:34 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sun, May 25, 1997 at 17:55:57 (EDT)
___Bill -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Sun, May 25, 1997 at 20:05:59 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Mon, May 26, 1997 at 10:30:40 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: What Jim Will Never Say -:- Mon, May 26, 1997 at 13:02:31 (EDT)

Jim -:- OP's mind this weekend -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 11:00:49 (EDT)
___Mili -:- Re: OP's mind this weekend -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 11:10:21 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: OP's mind this weekend -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 11:36:09 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: OP's mind this weekend -:- Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 19:40:24 (EDT)


Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 12:00:06 (EDT)
Poster: Mili
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
WHAT JIM WILL NEVER SAY

Guys, I am sorry I am appearing as an asshole, but I just don t feel like going to all the programs, and I don t have the patience and discipline to do meditation. I guess I don t feel the need for a lasting inner peace at this moment of my life. I don t mind you practicing meditation, though, if you feel like it. Why should I mind it, you are not bothering me with such a peaceful practice. I don t really trust these foreign gurus,(they weren't born in Muskogee) although the effects of meditation can be scientifically measured. Since all I do every day is just make a buck, they must be in it for the same reason, too. The video cassettes do amuse me, but I don t want to spend any money on them. I d rather get them for free from premies. I don t want to go to any of the programs, because what if JW, Scott or Deena saw me there! They would think I am being inconsistent. Yes, it does seem that people walk away from these programs smiling and looking genuinely contented. How come Chris, JP, James, Jason, Lance , Danette, Ruth, Harlan and Mili, etc. were so adamant in saying I was wrong all this time? Could it be I am missing out on something here?
(to be continued)
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 14:15:02 (EDT)
Poster: lia
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili, why is it that you keep "contributing" to this discussion when you appear to be missing the point so badly? And tell me, why does such a "spiritual" guy as you apparently think of yourself indulge in such petty nastiness. (I might ask OP and Chris as well) If you are an accurate representation of this whole Maharaji thing, well, thanks but no thanks. I'll look for my "bliss" elsewhere.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 15:27:22 (EDT)
Poster: Deena
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Maharaji probably will make a comment at this event about the internet. Or maybe he's afraid it will draw attention to the Truth and stir doubt and confusion in his flock. We can all get the low down from op on Monday.

And you know those smiles of joy and contentment that MIli refered to? Well I saw that same look in the faces of the Heaven Gate graduating class. The blissed out smile, glazed over eyes...identical I tell you. Personally, I don't miss that at all. Nor do I miss the tears of recognition that I would cry. You see that in some of the videos...tears pouring down and the look in the eyes of such longing. Nope, don't miss that. All seems so insane to me now.

Hey, you guys, did you feel life was empty when you left? My husband says that is what happened in the past when he tried to leave (yes, he used tried!) and he swears that I would not want to live with him if he didn't have MJ. Not sure what to make of that?
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 15:29:18 (EDT)
Poster: Mili
Email:
To: lia
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Well, I am just trying to say that most of the creeps who post here are not presenting a realistic picture to people like yourself. I am not a 'spiritual' guy - just an ordinary person, like yourself. If you feel that I am missing the point, and that what Jim and co. are presenting here is the truth of this whole matter, then that is something I should think about. Maybe I am wasting my time here, after all.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:17:42 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili, this: 'Maybe I am wasting my time here, after all' is a breakthrough. Congratulations.

Really, what else did you think you were doing here? Certainly not advertising the spiritual wealth which rains on premies these days. Certainly not engaged in any sort of discussion with anybody. Face it, Mili. This palce ain't for you.

Now, the good news is that, as you've noticed, there's more activity on Harlan's page. People are actually starting to use it. So why not give those brothers and sisters some of your hard-earned wisdom? Quit throwing perals before us swines, brother. Mili, it's time to go home.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 22:54:37 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: lia
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili and Jim are demoing a prototype of a new Internet competition. There might even be money changing hands. Just wait till the avatars show up!
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 02:57:16 (EDT)
Poster: Mili
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili, this: 'Maybe I am wasting my time here, after all' is a breakthrough. Congratulations.

Really, what else did you think you were doing here? Certainly not advertising the spiritual wealth which rains on premies these days. Certainly not engaged in any sort of discussion with anybody. Face it, Mili. This palce ain't for you.

Now, the good news is that, as you've noticed, there's more activity on Harlan's page. People are actually starting to use it. So why not give those brothers and sisters some of your hard-earned wisdom? Quit throwing perals before us swines, brother. Mili, it's time to go home. Yeah, why keep company with losers, psychopaths and liars here. It might rub off on you after a while.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 03:44:05 (EDT)
Poster: Douche
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Jim, far be it from me to teach grannie how to suck, but the quickest way to get Mili to disappear is not to respond to him. He'll soon go home. Trouble is, he's very useful to have around as an example of your typical, every-day knuckle head premie. He probably does more for our cause than a thousand well-argued posts.

Douche
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 04:44:35 (EDT)
Poster: Mili
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
(continued) ...God, what WAS it twenty years ago that made me follow this boy-guru? did I do it because everybody else was into it? No, that's not it. But, WHY did I get into it? I know - because it was the Truth! Hmm... But it never was a philosophy or a doctrine. Then what was it? Maybe it's because of the KNOWLEDGE! Now, what was the Knowledge all about? Hmmm. The techniques. Did I get anything out of it? Let's see... Yeah, it was nice.
I know. I'll start posting on the Internet, and be really provocative about it, so maybe I can find some other people who are in a similar situation. The more provocative I get the more sincere responses I'll get, and so this'll help me clarify some things for myself. I am trying to put a negative connotation to that part of my life, though, so positive responses really piss me off because they upset my black and white philosophy about this thing. They remind me of the side of me which is not the stone hearted psychokiller bastard. How can I be a successful lawyer if I have a tender heart, after all? What if I get a really rich client who pays me good money for getting him off the hook because he raped a 13yr. old, and I won't do it? So, what I'll do I'll really harass anyone who doesn't have a negative opinion like me. I will ridicule them, call them names, really use them as scapegoats for all my pent up sexual frustrations, and the beauty of it is, I can do it scott-free! I can do it without any remorse, because the general attitude is that all spiritual movements are cults and all spiritual leaders are cult leaders. Now is the time to do my thing - this is the time I was waiting for to get back at that ashram housemother who called me a lazy bastard! ...(to be continued)
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 05:36:22 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili, is all this crap really floating around your mind? Don't you wish you could focus long enough to watch a video?

Take note, aspirants. You too can be sharing Mili's clarity 20 years from now if you just trust in the Lord.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 09:54:57 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili you're on the right track here.

Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll! Cool!

I love getting high. The higher the better. Maharaj Ji says I can get really high. I can be enlightened. More blissful than pussy! Everlasting pussy! High, high and higher!

What? How come all this hard work's not paying off. Where's my enlightenment? I worked hard for it, I deserve it. All that suppression of desire in the ashram. I couldn't even get laid. All that work. I want my pay-off.

How come all them other dudes that didn't join the ashram are driving BMW's and snorting all that coke? I want some of that. That's what I want. I want mine!

Maybe the old man was right. I need to get a life. He's offering me a chance to go to graduate school. I oughta take him up on it. I need to get a career before its too late.

Maharaji's not giving me what he promised. A permanent high. I deserve it. He must be a fraud. Look at all the shit he talks. "Don't worry about me. I'm high. I'm high enough. It's you that should get high"

Look at all the money and time I gave away! I want it back! I deserve it!

Fraud, fraud, fraud! How could I be so stupid! Maharaji and all that love and peace, that spirituality shit. What a raw deal. New age. Fuck.

Well, at least I can get my kicks now. I may be older, but I can still get some girls. I got some money now. I can do all the drugs I want. I wanna make up for lost time.

And look at all these suckers that still listen to Maharaji. What fools, what assholes! I'm cool. I learned my lesson.

Maybe I can have some fun with them. Fucking idiots. What utter fools. I hate em. Fuck Maharaji. That fucking fat slob. I wasted my life. It's all his fault.

Sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll!
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 10:24:43 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili you're on the right track here.

Sex, drugs and rock-n-roll! Cool!

I love getting high. The higher the better. Maharaj Ji says I can get really high. I can be enlightened. More blissful than pussy! Everlasting pussy! High, high and higher!

What? How come all this hard work's not paying off. Where's my enlightenment? I worked hard for it, I deserve it. All that suppression of desire in the ashram. I couldn't even get laid. All that work. I want my pay-off.

How come all them other dudes that didn't join the ashram are driving BMW's and snorting all that coke? I want some of that. That's what I want. I want mine!

Maybe the old man was right. I need to get a life. He's offering me a chance to go to graduate school. I oughta take him up on it. I need to get a career before its too late.

Maharaji's not giving me what he promised. A permanent high. I deserve it. He must be a fraud. Look at all the shit he talks. 'Don't worry about me. I'm high. I'm high enough. It's you that should get high'

Look at all the money and time I gave away! I want it back! I deserve it!

Fraud, fraud, fraud! How could I be so stupid! Maharaji and all that love and peace, that spirituality shit. What a raw deal. New age. Fuck.

Well, at least I can get my kicks now. I may be older, but I can still get some girls. I got some money now. I can do all the drugs I want. I wanna make up for lost time.

And look at all these suckers that still listen to Maharaji. What fools, what assholes! I'm cool. I learned my lesson.

Maybe I can have some fun with them. Fucking idiots. What utter fools. I hate em. Fuck Maharaji. That fucking fat slob. I wasted my life. It's all his fault.

Sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll! Great. A new apologist. What a treat. Okay, sir, please come in. Have you ever been here before? No? Okay, well let me explain how this works. We're discussing Maharaji. Now, from your drivel above it sounds like you're a follower of the aging, child Lord of the Universe. Am I right? Yes, well I don't know exactly what gave you away. I guess you get pretty good at any job if you do it long enough. Me, I've been arguing with premies for seems like forever.

Anyway, want some coffee? Yeah, right over there. Cream and sugar over on that little shelf. If you want, there's honey. We have some natural Aurubindo sugar too, if you prefer. What? Oh, no, sorry. I don't think you can even GET Soya milk unless you go downtown. Besides, you really like that stuff? Well, we don't have any. Sorry.

Okay, ready to go? Come on over here. Here, have a seat. Good. Now, let me just get a few things here. God, I feel like I'm going in a million directions. There's so much to do. Anyways, let me see, ah, here it is. Here, let's get started.

See this book? Recognize it? No? Let me ask you, how long you had Knowledge? Oh, really? And no one ever showed you this book before? Well this book ....look, see how it claims to be the 'authentic authorized story of the 15-year old Guru whose message of peace has changed millions of lives'? Here, look at the back. See how it claims that Maharaji's the 'greatest incarnation of God to ever trod the planet'? Look, down here -- 'I DECLARE I WILL ESTABLISH PEACE IN THE WORLD!' Incredible, huh? And you never saw this before? Hmm.

Anyway, before you start defending Maharaji, what we like our apologists to do is to have a good review of this here book. Take your time. It's fascinating. Read some of Maharaji's old satsangs. If you've ever doubted that he claimed to be God, read som eof his older satsangs. Read how the Knowledge is imparted by the touch -- and only by the touch -- of someone imbued with Maharaji's 'grace'. Read about his plans to bring peace to -- or is it take over? -- the world.

Then, tell us what basis he had to say any of that stuff. See, the book is right in one respect. His 'message', right or wrong, did indeed change our lives. Now we're just trying to get to the bottom of things. Like, what was that all about?

Now, are you into any of this? Do you care to discuss Maharaji? No, one thing we won't tolerate here is this kind of knee-jerk defense mechanism so many Maharaji-lovers demonstrate. There's no point trying to slag us for finally wanting to take a look at this guy. You know, really that's kind of pathetic.

Frankly, your post above is wrong like that. It does seem as if you're suggesting that it's wrong to want to know the truth. This kind of attack above spews out of the mouth of all cult followers defending their faith. You know. You've seen it. Ever read or listened to a Scientologist attack one of their critics? It sounds exactly like you sound here. All facetious, mean-spirited nothings. Well, we don't really want that here. It's pointless anyways. Just makes you look like -- well, let's make that your first question:

what do you think your post above makes you look like?

Hard, isn't it, getting questions? Tell you what, we'll make this one easy. We'll make it multiple choice. Do your comments sound like the words of:

1) Someone interested in the truth.

2) Someone with a really great sense of humour looking for the truth.

3) Someone with a dull sense of humour looking for the truth.

4) Someone trying to deflect the scrutiny away from Maharaji.

5) Someone with a really dull sense of humour trying to deflect the scrutiny away from Maharaji.

6) Bobby.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:13:13 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
6) Bobby

Gotta hand it to ya Jim, you're pretty good. You get an A on Western Intellectual Heritage. Good boy.

And ya made me smile. Maybe Josef Goebbels had a sense of humor too.

I had to go away for awhile but I'm here this morning. See, I have to work through some stuff. I really object to your arrogance and what appears to me to be cruelty.

My life in contemporary consensus reality wasn't blown away by Maharaji, it was first blown away by people like you. Even though they were kids.

When I entered Junior High I went into the honors class. All of my classmates were rich jews from the same neighborhood. I was a poor goy. [*** disclaimer. this is not about being Jewish. I honor all people, of all persuasions. My kids are half-Jewish] I was ridiculed, made fun of, dissed heavily, again and again. I dropped out of the honors class in '67 to become a hippie.

You remind me of the kids that hurt me. Heavily. Kind of set a major theme for my life. Maybe it was my karma. About feeling very lonely and friendless. A social outcast.

I admit I've been dysfunctional in the world. I admit I still, even after more than 30 years, have healing to do. But I am on the path of healing and I've come a long way.

Maharaji was part of my journey.

So part of what I wrote in my post just above is about me. As an adolescent my ego never developed. I was squashed mightily. So I looked for alternatives. In the sixties I followed the hippie path. Like many other premies who came in early on, I looked to get high. Real high. Higher than acid.

And I did get real high. I had cosmic trips and I lived for the cosmic trips. I'm starting to write about these trips.

Everytime I took acid I came down. Then I started hearing about spirituality. How through spirituality you could go way out. Maybe never have to come back to the pain of this world.

I did get real high. In fact I went off the deep end. I had visions of personal transformation, even world transformation. I went way out there. Over the edge.

But I've come back. And I developed an ego. A spiritual ego. [Just as much crap as any other ego, but we all gotta have an ego.]

I've practiced pretty intensely in my own way. My path. Funny thing is, that while moving through various delusions and illusions, something else was happening. Something real was happening inside. Beyond the pains and frustrations. Much of my life has been painful. Funny thing is, I have no regrets.

Who I am continues to mutate.

Today I have some heart. It was there all along, but I couldn't see it. I've not learned how to fully remain open in all circumstances (one of my ideas of what enlightenment is) but I'm on my way.

As such you are a teacher to me on this board Jim, but perhaps not in the way you think. To be honest, I admire your intelligence, just as I liked the intelligent discourse of my young compadres. I'm intelligent too. One lesson for me is to go beyond appearances, beyond the reactions of my anger. Despite years and years of spiritual practice, I still have anger. You bring it out in me well.

But I really disagree with your arrogant expressions. Its not OK to be hurtful. I don't know if you really believe in some of the statements you make. Sometimes I'm easy to fool. I don't have a mature discrimination between what's a put-on and what's "real". This can be a real advantage. It's easy for me to go into altered states. But sometimes I get confused.

So. I needed to say all that. I need to express myself. I couldn't do that here for awhile because I got so angry that all I wanted to do was punch your face in.

I might feel that way some more if I participate in this forum because you're rage shows no signs of abatement. Actually, I'd welcome the chance to meet you face to face. I wonder if you still would be able to spout your solipsistic bullshit then.

The truth is, I am a loving man. And a good-hearted man and a passionate man. My way is to put my personal, sensitive stuff out there and express it. Your demeaning slams at me were painful and impinged on my social territory. But I continue on despite the slings and arrows. Good has come of it.

Beyond the personal shit that has come up for me on this forum, I truly would like to engage with some positive stuff. I enjoy having deep conversations here on the net. How come all we can get between the premies is this back and forth attacks and bullshit?

There are aspects about this Maharaji forum that keeps me interested. Maharaji was a big part of my life. At this point I don't give a shit how Maharaj Ji comports himself. There's more than enough cultic thinking to go around. I think *everything* is cultic. I truly think it *all* is illusion.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:17:04 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
How come you don't own up to your own shortcomings Jim?

Why put it all on Maharaji? After all, no one really can do it to you.

Are you afraid Jim? If it were so, if you were afraid, would you have the courage to openly admit it?

Lessee you answer that one straight.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 11:29:11 (EDT)
Poster: Mili to Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Good to have you back, man!
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 12:57:17 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mr. Rockin, I hope you're getting some therapy to deal with that anger. Not that there is anything wrong with anger, but it seems misdirected (projection, maybe?) Just because what Jim says reminds you of how people you treated you in grammar school(no matter how reprehensible that was), it doesn't warrant directing hatred toward someone you've never met. Why do you care what Jim thinks or says? He's just an average person like you and me and doesn't claim to have the answer to the meaning of life, unlike someone else we all know. He also is not, for example, holding himself out to be the perfect master or lord of the universe, nor asking that you surrender your life to him, nor is he asking anything else from you either. He is who he is and not pretending to be anything else. If you don't like what he says, that is your right in this democracy of ours. GMJ, on the other hand, isn't even who or what he used to be and really doesn't even want to talk about the change. And then people like you and Mili get upset because someone points that out. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:16:50 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
I also wanted to say that I appreciate that you are so honest about your life experiences. I know personally that sometimes it's not the easiest stuff to talk about and that sometimes people don't understand. So I for one appreciate your willingness to do that.

Maharaj Ji was a big part of my life too. That's why this discussion, as to whether it was a positive or negative part of my life, is of interest to me.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:28:39 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
No double standard.

I don't enjoy getting ridiculed or attacked. I don't give a fuck what you or Jim thinks. But Jim doesn't stop with dissing Maharaji. He attacks beliefs, experiences and personalities of others. Don't you see that? Do I have to prove it by pulling out past quotes of Jim?

I work it through by calling a spade a spade. Jim attacks on a personal level. Jim demands answers to questions. I respond with personal questions of my own.

I'm working out my anger OK. My anger is with people who revile others. Specifically here with Jim. My way through is to speak about what's going on for me personally. I don't need to pay a shrink to do it.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:39:17 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Thank you for saying that. My expressions give me resolution. Real therapy for me.

My experience is that some folks enjoy the vulnerable and sensitive stuff. People can relate. None of this stuff needs to be hid. Ridicule has hurt. But I look for the ways to remain open and sensitive even amongst those who would abuse and deride.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 13:40:09 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Mili to Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Thanks Mili.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 14:30:12 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
How come you don't own up to your own shortcomings Jim?

Why put it all on Maharaji? After all, no one really can do it to you.

Are you afraid Jim? If it were so, if you were afraid, would you have the courage to openly admit it?

Lessee you answer that one straight. Bob,

You misread me entirely, don't you? I'm not doing this for any other reason than to understand and express my feelings and views about what I think I already do understand.

I'm not so sure what shortcomings you think I should be so interested in here. Let me ask you a question. Why is it so hard for you to analyse Maharaji? If we were a bunch of historians looking at some hsitorical figure would you insist that everyone sitting around the table discussed themselves? I just don't see the relevance.

Again, and this is a point that Mili is simply unable to understand, poor soul, I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE THE LORD. It's not about me. Me? Simple. I trusted. The real question is about the guy in the Krishna Crown.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 14:44:40 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
No double standard.

I don't enjoy getting ridiculed or attacked. I don't give a fuck what you or Jim thinks. But Jim doesn't stop with dissing Maharaji. He attacks beliefs, experiences and personalities of others. Don't you see that? Do I have to prove it by pulling out past quotes of Jim?

I work it through by calling a spade a spade. Jim attacks on a personal level. Jim demands answers to questions. I respond with personal questions of my own.

I'm working out my anger OK. My anger is with people who revile others. Specifically here with Jim. My way through is to speak about what's going on for me personally. I don't need to pay a shrink to do it.

I appreciate that, but the problem is, people express themselves in a lot of different ways. Even some people who seem curteous and polite (like a lot of politicians for instance) are stabbing a knife in your back the whole time their smiling and being diplomatic. I've worked with a lot of people like that and I would really rather they were just honest with what they were doing.

With Jim, you know exactly where you stand, and you can yell right back at him and he doesn't mind. That's kind of refreshing for someone like me who was raised with the slogan "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all" and I think that was an underlying rule in the premie world too, since everything was supposed to be perfect. If you ask me, that litte ditty is the source of much repressed anger and mental illness in this society.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 14:49:58 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
No double standard.

I don't enjoy getting ridiculed or attacked. I don't give a fuck what you or Jim thinks. But Jim doesn't stop with dissing Maharaji. He attacks beliefs, experiences and personalities of others. Don't you see that? Do I have to prove it by pulling out past quotes of Jim?

I work it through by calling a spade a spade. Jim attacks on a personal level. Jim demands answers to questions. I respond with personal questions of my own.

I'm working out my anger OK. My anger is with people who revile others. Specifically here with Jim. My way through is to speak about what's going on for me personally. I don't need to pay a shrink to do it.

Some things are ridiculous. Sometimes I say stuff that's stupid, doesn't make sense and is funny for it. We all do. It's natural to notice when someone has things all backwards, let's say. It's also natural, if you're in a discussion with that person, to point it out. If the person you're talking with doesn't have the fortitude to look at themself, they'll reject the feedback, no matter how warranted, and attack the observer. That's a very sad way to live. It's also very common and, I believe, particularly common in the new age world where ideas are protected just for being there. Yes, I think that entire situation is ridiculous.

Now, you complain that I diss Maharaji. So? What's your point? Are you defending him? If so, get your shit together a bit, Bobby, and defend him. Don't just whine. If you think that Maharaji's not a fraud despite all that's been mentioned, say why. But be prepared to have to defend your arguments. If you're not, I can't imagine that even you are taking them seriously. Why should anyone else?

Yes, I attack beliefs. Don't you? Of course you do. Read your own posts if you have any doubt. Of course you do. You have to. It's part of being human. Maybe not part of being new age, but certainly part of being human.

I don't attack experiences. I might question them and one's interpretation of them.

I do attack personalities if they get in the way. Don't you? Of course you do. Check out your posts today. You need look no further.

You call a 'spade a spade'? How admirable. Well, so do I. Maharaji's a fraud. What do you say to that? Wrong? Why?

'Working out' one's anger is a very suspect concept to me. Try 'indulge.' I think that's a little more realistic. If your anger is 'with people who revile others' -- despite what those 'others' may have done -- then, you're a champion without discrimination. What's the point? Is it just that people should talk nice? Again, Bobby, this starts to get ridiculous.

And there we go. Round and round. Finally, you talk about how you don't care what I think. How does that comport with your post earlier this morning? The one about the ghosts from your childhood?

Bobby, this SHOULD be slightly embarrasing for you. Take a clue, man, your fly is open. :)
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:33:59 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Jim says:

> I'm not doing this for any other reason than to understand and express my feelings and views about what I think I already do understand.

Fine. Wonderful. I have no problem at all with what you understand. Why can't you allow others their own understandings?

But on occasion you do say you are here for other things. You have said you are out for "revenge and retribution". You have said you don't care who gets in the way of your line of attack. You have intimated that you enjoy the bashing. Was this all tongue-in-cheek? Hard for me to tell. I can only take your statements at face value. I don't see the humor in slamming people.

I'm comfortable with sharing the personal aspects of my life. You may not be comfortable with sharing your personal self. Those who can relate, will. Those who can't won't. Please move on then.

What makes me uncomfortable, in fact downright pissed, is when I get ridiculed. And I get pissed off too seeing others ridiculed for sincere expressions. I'm trying to learn how to uplevel this.

Don't you understand this Jim? Honestly, I have nothing against your views. I would love to have a fair exchange of views. However, I require basic respect. Even in a court of law that was in anyway balanced, personal attacks wouldn't be tolerated, would they?

As far as it being "hard" for me to analyze Maharaji. I'm not interested in analyzing Maharaji. Well, maybe I am, but only to a point. To me spirituality is real. Spirituality didn't go away when I left Maharaji. I had some wonderful spiritual experiences that I consider as authentic while practising knowledge. Maybe you don't consider any spiritual experience as authentic. You seem to say as much.

The fact is that my thinking is structured differently than western consensus reality. I have experienced more, time and again. You either accept that premise or you don't. This is hard for most people to get.

Do you know about cultural anthropology Jim? Most people assume that Western Civilization with its logic and rational mind is the top of the heap, the crown of creation. They have problems understanding other cultures. Other cultures don't translate. They have entirely different assumptions as to the nature of reality. So does post-quantum physics.

In the cultural anthropology class I took in college, most people had a very hard time understanding the weird frames of reference. I loved the class. Most dropped out.

Rational mind is fine, but only to a point. Doesn't work with the basics such as the nature of reality, the nature of God or whether God exists or not. The hard part about discussing Maharaji is that these basic experiences get on. After all, basic experiences of life and reality was the stock in trade that Maharaji purported to deal with. And he did cause we believed him.

For me the spiritual frame of reference is real and continuous. It cannot be analyzed. The spiritual frame of reference is most important to me. I give my life to my experience of the Highest. I haven't spoken much about what my experience is here, but even though you may not understand it, please respect that it is true for me.

Jesus spoke in parables. Parables and Metaphor is the only way to talk about alternate states of awareness. Altered states are not logical.

So you feel ripped off by Maharaji. I don't. Well, maybe some. Actually, I feel just as much ripped off by the innumerable CEO's and politicians who lie, cheat and HURT humans and other species by their actions. I'm serious. There are many who think they are fucking kings and they make their employees treat em that way. Sometimes I rail against the Corporate empire. But that gets old and I get tired of it.

To my mind, even if Maharaji is a total fraud, at least he offers something decent. You haven't heard my true experiences of how all this fits together for me. I'm still working it out, as I have been for most of my life. You haven't experienced what I have. All I can tell you is that its not logical and it has something to do with ET's. Laugh if you want but please don't attack. I guess you will do what you will anyway.

Peace.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 15:56:53 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Bobby, pretty hard to figure out how to deal with you. We're talking, we're not talking? Rational? Post-rational?

Bobby, there's no way in the world I can 'respect' something without judging it. Can you?

People like you are impossible to communicate with. You're rational when it suits your purpose but the moment it doesn't you slip out like a bad back. Can you see that?

So what do you expect here Bobby? Do you want people to discuss things rationally with you or not? If not, I won't bother trying. If the answer's yes, I'll continue.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 16:35:23 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Jim says:

>Bobby, there's no way in the world I can 'respect' >something without judging it. Can you?

Of course I can. There are worlds and worlds of phenomena happening, some of which I see, some of which I do not comprehend. I really don't have to judge any of it.

I'm able to enter altered states where logic does not hold. Meditation is one of these ways. When you meditated, did you try to judge your experience? Did you respect your experience?

As others have said, for instance native americans, I walk in a sacred manner. Respectfully.

I try to respect each person I meet. I don't want to judge them either.

I have perfectly capable critical faculties. I use these faculties often. For instance when writing. I think about things.

There is a time to think and a time to remain silent.

Jim says: >So what do you expect here Bobby? Do you want people to >discuss things rationally with you or not? If not, I won't >bother trying. If the answer's yes, I'll continue.

I don't know if I *expect* anything. I like stimulating conversation. Sometimes I like to critically engage. Sometimes I don't. I don't like to be insulted. I don't insult others unless provoked.

I'd be happy to talk with you Jim, when I feel like it. I expect not to be insulted. I think that this is a proper ground-rule. It's up to you whether you respond to what I have to say or not.

I may or may not speak rationally.

Do you respect the Buddha? Do you know what the Buddha taught. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Sometimes he just held up a flower in answer.

The tenets of Buddhism to me are much more efficacious than analytical thought. for certain domains.

Logic and science are wonderful for builing buildings and flying to the moon. However, they are useless for apprehending and/or entering into the meaning of life. For understanding and meaning I recommend Buddhist means.

I'm interested to hear people's experience of Maharaji. I'm interested to hear how people have come to terms with their experience. Flames and attacks are usually boring, sometimes funny and sometimes cruel. I don't like seeing people hurt.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 18:42:46 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Jim says:

>Bobby, there's no way in the world I can 'respect' >something without judging it. Can you?

Of course I can. There are worlds and worlds of phenomena happening, some of which I see, some of which I do not comprehend. I really don't have to judge any of it.

I'm able to enter altered states where logic does not hold. Meditation is one of these ways. When you meditated, did you try to judge your experience? Did you respect your experience?

As others have said, for instance native americans, I walk in a sacred manner. Respectfully.

I try to respect each person I meet. I don't want to judge them either.

I have perfectly capable critical faculties. I use these faculties often. For instance when writing. I think about things.

There is a time to think and a time to remain silent.

Jim says: >So what do you expect here Bobby? Do you want people to >discuss things rationally with you or not? If not, I won't >bother trying. If the answer's yes, I'll continue.

I don't know if I *expect* anything. I like stimulating conversation. Sometimes I like to critically engage. Sometimes I don't. I don't like to be insulted. I don't insult others unless provoked.

I'd be happy to talk with you Jim, when I feel like it. I expect not to be insulted. I think that this is a proper ground-rule. It's up to you whether you respond to what I have to say or not.

I may or may not speak rationally.

Do you respect the Buddha? Do you know what the Buddha taught. Maybe not. It doesn't matter. Sometimes he just held up a flower in answer.

The tenets of Buddhism to me are much more efficacious than analytical thought. for certain domains.

Logic and science are wonderful for builing buildings and flying to the moon. However, they are useless for apprehending and/or entering into the meaning of life. For understanding and meaning I recommend Buddhist means.

I'm interested to hear people's experience of Maharaji. I'm interested to hear how people have come to terms with their experience. Flames and attacks are usually boring, sometimes funny and sometimes cruel. I don't like seeing people hurt. Bobby, with all due respect, I really don't think there's much point in you and I trying to have a conversation. Your honest answer:

'I may or may not speak rationally.'

is enough to tell me I'd be wasting my time.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 20:35:13 (EDT)
Poster: Rockin' Bob
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
That's fine.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 20:48:17 (EDT)
Poster: bill
Email:
To: Rockin' Bob
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
hello r+b, everthing is an illusion perhaps exept that life force. your breath is probably the you that you are looking for. every day i end up coming to the same conclusion, that feeling the damn thing feels best. im surrounded by christians but in talking with them i find again and again that they reach for god but are missing a location for god. I think that location is in them and it is the breath. the word spirit means to breathe.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 21:27:11 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: bill
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
hello r+b, everthing is an illusion perhaps exept that life force. your breath is probably the you that you are looking for. every day i end up coming to the same conclusion, that feeling the damn thing feels best. im surrounded by christians but in talking with them i find again and again that they reach for god but are missing a location for god. I think that location is in them and it is the breath. the word spirit means to breathe. What could be more naive than thinking that your breath is conscious? You laugh at Christians for projecting their concept of divinity but aren't you doing the same thing?

Mankind's had all sorts of quaint ideas about God and the human body. All living people breath so it was a somewhat understandable illusion for our ancestors to get things all mixed up and guess that the breath itself is somehow running the show. I guess Maharaji's great achievement was getting us to believe that too.

I know I sure did. I used to give satsang thinking I wasn't me at all. That the only 'true' part of me was this great, mysterious breath and that, as it was the same as the breath moving in the person I was talking to, we were all one. But then even our individual identities were illusory. After all, take away the false mind and the temporal body, what's left? Only Maharaji! Oh, the love!

What bullshit!

I, too, used to uncritically parrot hoary Indian false truths like:

'everthing is an illusion perhaps exept that life force.'

So don't think I don't know where you're coming from. I do. Of course, if this is your definitive bottom line on life and the universe, you better know what you're talking about, no?

Let me ask you, then, what you mean by 'illusion'?
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 21:52:50 (EDT)
Poster: Bill
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Hi Jim I just tried out my e mail . My first one was to you hope it got there. Actually it was R+B who said at the end of his post that he thinks its all an illusion. I was just responding to that. Im in the deprogramming phase myself. and that is why I have been talking so much with the christians around me. I have a hard time with the idea that he came here to die for our sins, although I think you can think of someone who you might volunteer to die for our sins or pleasure or whatever. Ive talked with the big guns at this local church I only go there for the sat mens breakfast and although Ive gone for years I dont go on sunday. Because I would get christianized and some of their vision is just not down my alley. In talking with the ones who are the stalwarts of that church, I still felt there was to much new programming and Im trying to get away from that. Lately Im at the point of love just being alive, and feel your breath cause its there and it feels good. I would go to washington but really, what i came to he probably cant add to.
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Date: Fri, May 23, 1997 at 21:56:11 (EDT)
Poster: Bill
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Im getting booted off the computer so I cant talk to you more tonight
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 00:02:14 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Bill
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Okay, I'm not sure I follow you. Yes, Jesus is Lord. But why Washington?
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 13:15:45 (EDT)
Poster: bill
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
maharaji is in washington on sunday at 2. actually, jesus wasnt his name. If he was walking down the street to Magdelines room and you said -hey Jesus - he wouldnt turn around cause that wasnt his name. his mother never yelled out the back door-jeeeeeeezuuuuus- jeeeeezsuuuuuus,dinnertime! Sarah did you see him? Send him home. because she never called him jesus either. so if jesus is lord then who the hell is the other guy? None of my so called christian friends know his name! They always say -in jesus name this and in jesus name that and that the word of god is jesus. but fer christs sake they dont even know his name! first one on this website to answer this correctly will win a cassette of some music with their video. Im not sure what music yet, although if its rockin bobby he will get some R+B.
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 19:22:30 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: bill
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
I think they named him Little Joe, after his dad. Either that or Immanuel, which means 'not Mexican'. Jesus is, of course, a Mexican name. You pronounce it 'Hey, Zeus', so I guess when Jesus' mom calls him she yells 'Hey, Hey, Zeus!'. Only she probably calls it out in Spanish, if she's Mexican.
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Date: Sat, May 24, 1997 at 20:49:53 (EDT)
Poster: bill
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
great one. you win a south of the border tape.
however, that aint it.
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Date: Sun, May 25, 1997 at 13:36:24 (EDT)
Poster: Mili
Email:
To: bill
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
(continued)... here I am sitting all alone in my little office. People just avoid me, sometimes even spit in my face. Even my girlfriend has left me because I am obsessed with my hate. I can't stop thinking about the little fat guy. Here I am doing all I can to insult him and deprecate him, and he doesn't react at all! If only there weren't so many scriptures and so many other yogins and seers who talked about the Inner Light. Maybe we could pass a law to ban the Upanishads on the Internet. And while we're at it, we could ban TM, Christianity, Buddhism, the Sikh page, the Paramhansa Yogananda Self Realization Fellowship, the Rosicrucians, the Kabbalists and Carl Gustav Jung from the Internet. And burn all their books in the public libraries. Mili should be permanently banned from posting anywhere - a password login to Scott's page is not enough. Hmmmh, Scott ... not radical enough. He's just like Mishler. What's he talking about 'inner peace' anyway? He's just a jerk, I am using him to get my rocks off and he doesn't even realize it. Freedom of Speech - hah, that's just an idiosincracy after I received my elnightement about my mission to ban all spiritual movements, free thinking and soul searching from the Internet. If I were the dictator of the World, things would be my way. I would clone myself and no one else but people who think like me would live. Those who refuse to think like me would have a seal of shame burnt into their foreheads with a firebrand. They're all morons, no matter what their I.Q. is!
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Date: Sun, May 25, 1997 at 15:19:34 (EDT)
Poster: Mili to lia
Email:
To: lia
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Mili, why is it that you keep 'contributing' to this discussion when you appear to be missing the point so badly? And tell me, why does such a 'spiritual' guy as you apparently think of yourself indulge in such petty nastiness. (I might ask OP and Chris as well) If you are an accurate representation of this whole Maharaji thing, well, thanks but no thanks. I'll look for my 'bliss' elsewhere.

You know, I'd rather be jamming with the Rolling Stones on the stereo or riding my mountain bike, than slogging it out here with idiots, but a person just gets a gut reaction when he sees lies and untruths being stated. As for looking for your 'bliss', if you didn't get my point here, honeybuns, try the nearest mall.
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Date: Sun, May 25, 1997 at 17:55:57 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Brialliant, Mili. All I can say is you've done it again. You're sharp, man, really sharp.
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Date: Sun, May 25, 1997 at 20:05:59 (EDT)
Poster: Bill
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
Hello mili, disengage from jim for a moment and tell me what you would recommend to me.
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Date: Mon, May 26, 1997 at 10:30:40 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: Mili
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
I dont know what you have been through personally in your country but I assume that you have seen plenty of the crap side of human nature. To me the only thing we have, even in a godless Universe is personal integrity. I find you play a strange game Milli , you misunderstand direct questions. Actually thats it. I think you play all of this as if its a game for you.
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Date: Mon, May 26, 1997 at 13:02:31 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Bill Cooper
Subject: Re: What Jim Will Never Say
Message:
I dont know what you have been through personally in your country but I assume that you have seen plenty of the crap side of human nature. To me the only thing we have, even in a godless Universe is personal integrity. I find you play a strange game Milli , you misunderstand direct questions. Actually thats it. I think you play all of this as if its a game for you.

You're gonna find yourself in Mili's 'Liars' column, with posts like that :)

Actually, Mili's doing better than most premies who are afraid to even post here, lest the Lord find out. His first response to Lia was actually almost humble, when he reflected on his own effectiveness here. He'll keep coming back here, tho, as it's the only place where he can hear the truth about MJ. Some day it will sink in and he'll understand why the effects of MJ's satsang wears off before the tape is even rewound. And why he and other premies have to keep hearing it over and over and over in order to believe in it.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 11:00:49 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: OP's mind this weekend
Message:
Just imagine what OP must be thinking this weekend. As I see it, she takes off for darshan in mid-assignment. She's got some questions that she acknowledges some responsibility -- as Maharaji OP -- to answer. So she takes them with her. While other premies are simply enjoying the boredome that passeth all undertanding she's thinking 'what about that laying on of hands thing?' Now I know she personally has no problem with it. But, committed as she is (hey, you take 'em as you find 'em) to the rational process, she still has to come up with some answers.

What if she actually sees M? Oh, I know she's not that close to him anymore. But what if she were? (Unlike her, I like speculating). M asks her what's new, what's she going to say? 'I've been arguing with your ex-premies about you on the internet.'? Would Maharaji then have the guts to ask her what we're saying (like he doesn't read this board regularly)? Wow. What a conversation that could lead to. Wouldn't that be INTERESTING Chris? Imagine that!

Chris, by the way, don't you think Maharaji's a very interesting fellow? I had a flash last night. Woke me up from a vivid dream wherein I saw a lot much clearer than before. For the first time, it all came together. I started seeing what Chris was saying -- Maharaji is an INTERESTING man!

But, I digress.....

By the way, I've got to go now, but I really enjoyed reading your thoughts this morning Scott, Deena and Brian. But yours Chris, you constantly startle me with your insights. 'INTERESTING'. Shit why didn't I think of that? Chris, you should know that you don't hold a candle to any of them. You're interesting too.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 11:10:21 (EDT)
Poster: Mili
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: OP's mind this weekend
Message:
And you are just a boring asshole.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 11:36:09 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: OP's mind this weekend
Message:
Jim, Chris said Mahatma Rajeshwar was an interesting man. He didn't say Maharaji was an interesting man. After all, Chris isn't THAT simple-minded.
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Date: Thurs, May 22, 1997 at 19:40:24 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: OP's mind this weekend
Message:

Jim, Chris said Mahatma Rajeshwar was an interesting man. He didn't say Maharaji was an interesting man. After all, Chris isn't THAT simple-minded.
A good funny!
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