The information below was only provided after extensive repressed memory hypnosis.

Lynda and Bill Cooper were driving home late one night when they saw a mysterious aircraft overhead. It was like nothing on earth. Its interior seemed to be filled with gold fittings and it was patrolled by anorexic midget stewardesses.

We were taken on board by strange bald headed creatures in pink robes. They had a device that showed 17 videos one after another until it had sapped all of our free will. They dids strange things to our bodies one gripped my eyes in a vice like grip and resistance seemed futile.

We became vaguely of a small fat creature, called Maji that seemed to be controlling the others. It was easy to identify him as the leader with his $4000 suits and his taste in expensive brandy. We tried to get close to Maji but he was surrounded by a strange force field called wealth and indifference that we could rarely penetrate even with our bulletguns.

We appeared to be travelling all around the world many times but we saw nothing of it apart from large halls and convention centers. Occasionally we were allowed into the presence of Majis toes a process by which cash was mysteriously transferred from us to him. Majis bizarre hypnotic power was such that if you looked at him straight on he appeared to be a beautiful magnificent creature , but if you got a side look you could see the strange tortured monster that feeds on the lifeblood of his followers.

It was at this moment we were able to take a photo of Maji as a warning for others. Look at http://www.miraclevision.com/maharaji/alien.htm but be afraid , be very afraid , you may be his next victim.
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I can't get my button to work
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You have to use the backward and forward arrows. But if I type these, everything between them will disappear. So replace the words with the symbols and it should work...

This was what I typed (obviously you have to replace the http with yours)...

backward arrowa href='http://www.rain.org/~kfa/pathless.html'forward arrowclick herebackward arrow/aforward arrow

this was the result

click here

(I'll be amazed if I've got this right first time!)

Douche
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BTW, I didn't put any spaces between the arrows and words. Have fun.
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Meditation is food for the soul. It puts us back in touch with who we really are. It soothes the savage brow and keeps life's little ups and downs in perspective. It takes us out of the trees so we can see the wood.

I know that there are a lot of ex-premies who feel the meditation techniques have had a negative effect on their lives. That it shrouds the reality of normal daily life and is a harmful mind game which is best avoided. But I disagree.

The techniques are solid gold. It's the guru mumbo-jumbo crap that surrounds them that masks their simple beauty. Take Maharaji out of the equation, and there's an awful lot of people out there who could benefit from using them.

We all went to Maharaji because we were looking for something. The problem when it came to leaving was that we tended to throw the baby out with the bath water. Sitting under a blanket with our fingers stuck in our ears was a symptom of the disease we wanted to be cured of.

I became an ashram premie when I was 20 and left after 3 years. I'm now knocking on the door of 45 and lead a typically stressful and unhealthy life. I need to loose weight, keep the blood pressure down and give up all those little luxuries that make the world seem a rosier place.

Maybe it's the male menopause, but I've taken to mediating again and I'm finding it very effective. Nothing too strenuous; just 15 minutes or so a day. But the important thing is that it has nothing to do with BigM. It's just me trying to keep in touch with me. And it works.

I'm eternally grateful to Maharaji that he was the cause of my being shown the techniques. But I curse him for lacking the courage to remove all the mumbo-jumbo guru crap that made fools and slaves of us all.

So to anyone who's interested but doesn't know, these are the four techniques which comprise Maharaji's 'Knowledge':

1. Sit with a straight back and follow your breath as it comes in and goes out. Relax so the breath rises from the stomach rather than the chest. Go with the flow.

2. Press your eyeballs gently and try to concentrate on what you see. Somethimes you get nothing. Sometimes you see sworls of light. (This isn't a particularly relaxing technique but it can be very effective when it works.)

3. Stick your thumbs in both ears and listen to the sound. BigM will have you believe it's the celestial music of the spheres. I think its probably blood coursing through the veins, but it can be quite relaxing. (I personally favour the one thumb technique; that way you can rest your elbow on the sofa, listen to the sound in that ear, and still watch your favourite soap on the TV.)

4. The most difficult one to achieve; force your tongue back with your finger and after much retching and pain it will eventually slot up behind your tonsils and into your nasal passage. The taste is sweet and it's my personal favourite.

So that's it. I think it would be better explained in more detail on a separate page on this web site. There is a great deal of spiritual 'spin' attached to the techniques which I think is both relevant and interesting, so come on Scott, publish and be damned.

Douche
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It was quite shocking to see the techniques being described here as I ate breakfast. Its a powerful message that you feel that M never kept his side of the bargain. It will be interesting to see if any non premies try them out. I dont see how premies can really associate with this site any more. Ho hum time for work.
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The negative part came when meditation was supposed to be used to keep you from thinking, from experiencing and analyzing your doubts, and from listening to your own conscience and better judgment. That was the negative part, not the practice of the techniques per se.

And Maharaj Ji fostered the negative part by telling us to meditate 24 hours a day, or at least to try to, and to meditate all the time to prevent doubts from entering you mind. Those are the things GMJ did that were really negative and destructive, not revealing the techniques or suggesting that you sit in meditation a couple of hours a day practicing them formally.

That reminds me, do you recall at one point that GMJ changed the rules for "formal" meditation and said we should begin meditating TWO hours in the morning and TWO hours in the evening instead of just one hour each time, in addition to trying to meditate the other 20 hours of the day? That was also the period when we were always doing all-night meditations. In the ashrams, we used to do all-day Sunday meditations all the time. Christ, talk about turning meditation into drudgery. What was THAT about, and why did GMJ get on that kick? Did he have any idea what he was doing? According to Misler, he never did meditation himself, so he probably didn't know what he was talking about anyway.

Having already meditated thousands of hours in my life, I have had quite enough of it, thank you. I get the same relaxing and "getting-in-touch" experience by running (I run 10ks all the time) when I get into the rhythm of my breath and I get exercise at the same time. Rock climbing also does it for me because it requires such concentration.

The "light" technique is a stupid gimmick, not at all relaxing, and might be damaging to your optical nerves. Even if you want to meditate, I wouldn't recommend that, but to each his own.

If people like the music and nectar techniques, fine with me. I was never able to get my tongue behind my uvula, even though I tried and prayed I could for many years. Mahatma Parlokanad once suggested that I cut the tendon under my tongue so I could get my tongue to go back further than my anatomy would allow. I never did, but I sure thought about it. Jesus, what a raving cult member I was!
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BYW, I also thought Mata Ji was a bit of a cow. I hated seeing the Holy Clan on the alter. You ever notice that, without there ever being pictures/paintings made of Mary Mother Of Jesus, that the Catholic church always portrays her as a pretty good looking babe. Maybe God actually picked a large, full-figured gal to be the momma of Jesus. I think about these things sometimes. Probably should just meditate...
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All cheques to be made out to the 'Douche Dotage Fund' please. I have my eye on a red Ferrari so please be generous.
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Yes. There's quite a few.

You say you get your highs from running and rock climbing. My knees and ankles are shot from too much playing squash and the mere thought of trying to climb a rock face brings me out in a cold sweat.

The point I'm trying to make is that there may be a lot of people out there who are treading the same path we went along 20plus years ago. They're typically young and idealistic and have rejected all the mainstream religions. They're easy meat for Maharaji's brand of 'follow my leader' brainwashing and we owe it to them to signpost a few danger signals.

I don't know whether any of them might find their way to this site but it's got to be a real possibility. So what better place to tear away the shrouds of mystery surrounding the keystone to Maharaji's teachings - the 'Knowledge'.

So if anyone is out there is looking for some decent meditation techniques but doesn't want to swallow all that guru mumbo-jumbo crap, we're giving you a chance to try before you buy. Big M's supporters will say that the techniques won't work without his spritual guidance but that's absolute garbage. In fact, the techniques work better without BigM getting in the way.

They won't take you to heaven/nirvana/satori but they can soothe the savage brow long enough to realise that everything you need in life is right between your ears. And maybe that's the closest we're likely to get to heaven before shaking off this mortal coil.

Regarding the techniques JW, I tend to agree with you that pressing the eyeballs might not do them any good. But I can remember getting some good effects using only light pressure. BTW I came across a newspaper feature some months back describing a new gizmo which is like those eye shades you get on planes but with built in red flashing lights. Initial trials show it outperforming Prozac!

On the nectar front, I got so fed up with not being able to do the technique, I pushed my tongue back so hard that it ripped the membrane. It was worth the effort but it's not one I'd recommend trying on your best carpet!

Douche

P.S. It's a lot easier posting a message using Microsoft Explorer. The window in Navigator is about the size of a postage stamp.
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As someone approaching being a middle-ager myself, I think all that sitting on the floor, both in meditation and in satsang, wasn't the greatest for my lower back. The doctor says that often people who sit crossed-legged on the floor for many hours develop low back problems. But if I do my back exercises regularly, I do okay.

Anyway, as premies we used to make fun of the meditation taught in TM, because it used a mantra. But I think the results of TM are basicially the same as with the techniques GMJ (or, more appropriately, that he inherited from his father) used.

But really, GMJ said over and over that he was not revealing "meditation," but was revealing "knowledge," and "knowledge" was the experience you got when you did satsang, service AND meditation. You HAD to do all THREE to get the experience he was offering. Just doing meditation was not enough. I guess darshan was the implied fourth part of the equation. According to OP, he has both dropped and resinstated, at different times, satsang and service from the formula, has apparently downplayed darshan, no longer requires that you try to meditate 24 hours per day, and only suggests doing formal meditation 20 minutes or so, instead of two, and later four, hours per day he used to require. Apparently, it is also now okay to delay in attending satsang, or even to never hear satsang if you don't feel like it, and OP says he no longer gives out the "don't think" commandment either. I wonder if it is now also okay to NEVER have faith in god, and ALWAYS to put everything off until tomorrow?

Chris, are you paying attention? The above are just a few more of the big CHANGES in the Maharaj Ji cult that have occurred over the years, contrary to your view that nothing has changed since 1972.
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You're right that no one had a photo or a painting of what the virgin Mary looked like, so the Catholic Church could create it's own sexy image of her. Maybe in a 100 years, premies will have pictures of both GMJ and Mata Ji in which they will have blonde hair and looking like they just graduated with highest honors from Weight Watchers.
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Like you JW, I was surprised that some people thought the techniques caused them actual harm. I've got the world's worst memory but I know that one of them was an ex-premie calling himself Wowest who posted regularly at alt.support.ex-cult. I can't remember the details but he thought the light technique definitely harmed the eyeballs. He also said he managed to stay on the word for months at a time which amazed me because the most I ever managed was a few minutes. He reckoned this had scrambled his brain cells and forced him to seek psychiatric help!

The taste technique worries me slightly. I think I'm right in saying that babies in the womb have their tongues inside their nasal passage which perhaps explains the stomach churning sight of toddlers picking their nose and eating it!

You say that BigM no longer demands service and satsang and has reduced meditation from two hours to 20 minutes a day? And he no longer styles himself Lord of the Universe? And that the 'don't think' commandment has gone as well?

Pass the videos, CD, I think I might just rejoin!

Douche
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Bill, we all know the breath feels good. So does smoking cigarettes, Marijuana, using heroin, ecstasy, cocaine, LSD, sex, endorphin inducing designer drugs etc. Let's not pretend that there are no side effects to using any of these ways of supposedly enhancing our existence. I came to MJ to get high 'naturally'. I now realise that this was a false expectation. There have been ruinous side effects in my life. You sound like you think the experience of the breath is particularly 'Holy'. In my experience it is a mistake to give it quite so much of an accolade. Especially seeing as it is the chosen drug that is peddled by the likes of these more and more obviously devious Guru types. If it was such a 'Natural' and 'Godly' gift then I reckon that there wouldn't be so many strings attached and it's teaching wouldn't be entrusted to the likes of those who want to 'bottle air' and sell it as it were. Remember MJ said the price is very high? Well, it is at his shop. Maybe there will come a time when awareness of how to submerge in the rhythm of the breath is taught at nursery school as an essential way of regenerating tired Elan Vital . I pray to God that if it is genuinely of any use to mankind that it may cease to be the guarded secret-weapon of self-proclaimed Perfect Masters whose use of it in their teachings actually aids them to spread fear and dependency.
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I think Bill is suggesting that the breath is the 'soul'. It's a little hard to tell as Bill's poetry, which concedes his inconsistent thinking ('little paradox'), seems unfit for serious consideration. What I mean is that if one stepped firmly on any particular phrase one can only imagine Bill protesting 'don't put your full weight there, this structure, after all, is really just for decoration.' Still, his one constant point is that the breath is special, indivisible and sacred. 'Soul'? Must be.

To Bill and anyone else who stills believes in 'souls' I have to ask: what about Dolly? Does a cloned sheep have a soul? If we cloned a person would they? If a woman takes fertility drugs and gets her money's worth do all her babies have souls? If so, shouldn't these drugs be called Soul Food? Is that racist? And, while we're at it, do you keep getting all these question marks at the end of each sentence?

No, a touch more seriously, anyone who thinks Dolly has a soul must agree that we forced God, or the Soul Man, to produce. Is that what soul always talks in such a small, subtle voice to us? Because it's scared of us? Are we really so powerful that yes there is a God but, listen up, he answers to us?

Or are the answers to these questions also to be found in the sound of my breath? Is the universe really one big kindergarten in which we keep putting our heads up during nap time only to be 'shushed' by the teacher, breath. 'Shut up' says the soul 'Think not on it and enjoy my arcane syntax'? Or does the soul avoid soul-effacing humour? If so, who needs it anyway?

SSSHHHHHH!!!
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Anyone unfamiliar with the times might find the case of Carlos Castenada illustrative. A known liar -- one who impressed his class and housemates with his proclivity and skill at extended strings of bullshit -- he sucked one of the world's leading graduate departments in anthropology to grant him a Phd without field notes. Such was the anti-intellectual climate, the older members of the UCLA faculty were bullied by their younger colleagues into not assessing Carlos with the rigidity of the western rational minds. They were called ethnoectric and that, for an aging prof buying his first hairpiece and nehru jacket, was apparently too much. While people wore 'question authority' buttons, real questions, hard questions, sometimes suffered. Besides, who could you ask?

Who could you ask about Maharaji back then? Rennie Davis? Ralph Nader? (Actually, I wish I HAD asked Ralph Nader) All we could go by was the kid's winning smile, the irresistable Knowledge brochure and, we told ourselves incessantly, our own 'experience'. Yeah, right.

So much has happened since then to give us all some 'breath'ing room. Maharaji said shit he can't face. We said shit because of shit he said that we can't face. No one got 'to the other side.' We learned a LOT about the brain that we didn't know 25 years ago. We've seen way too many fraudulent guru analogues to not have a few cultural antibodies. And, perhaps best of all, for some of us anyway, the mind bounced back. It just bounced back.

Who can recall the first time they defied the cardinal rule -- 'don't doubt'? Sure, we doubted all the time. But we resisted, sublimated, rationalized, meditated and did our best to lookthe other way. But for each one of us ex-premies there must hve been one moment, like a first drop of rain, when we nestled into a doubt again without resistance. Wouldn't it be great to really remember that moment. Wouldn't it be great to have a picture of yourself right then? An instant snapshot of the mind reclaiming a bit of the long-occupied territory?

Maharaji, if you're reading this, this is Radio Free Premies. We are the lucky ones, you little jerk, we're the ones who got away!
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The holy family break-up didn't even reach the level of "doubt" for me, however. I didn't like the holy family and was happy to be rid of them. I accepted the party line that it just went to show you that ANYONE could fall from the divine path and get in their minds, so I had to be even MORE vigilent to NEVER, NEVER LEAVE ROOM FOR DOUBT IN MY MIND or that would happen to me too, and I would be wretchedly miserable and a ton of vegetables would rot inside of me. After all, if they could fall from the path, what hope was there for me? When "praying" to GMJ became in vogue, I also did a lot of that.

But the holy family departure I was happy about. Mata Ji looked just like Sister Mary Kevin Patrick who taught me in the sixth grade, who weighed several tons just like Mata Ji, and was a real bitch. So I was glad to be rid of her picture for our altar.

Bal Bagwan Ji was sort of okay, but it always appeared to me that he had some kind of an unhealthy relationship with Mata Ji that made me shudder every time the thought of the two of them entered my satanic mind.

Now Raja Ji stayed with GMJ, and he was the only good-looking one in the bunch anyway (I was a repressed homosexual, okay, I couldn't help but notice that stuff) and although he was never in the fast reading group, he was the least offensive of them all.

And then there was Bohle Ji. Poor Bohle Ji. One time before Millenium we were getting the ashram ready for the holy family to stay there. I had pulled a couple of all-nighters getting Mata Ji's room ready and probably hadn't slept in 36 hours doing "service." I had never been around the holy family and was excited to be near them, being divine incarnations and all. Anyway, after pranaming to Mata Ji and Bohle Ji, I stood outside the door as Mata Ji and Bohle Ji inspected Mata Ji's room. I was totally exhausted and in kind of a daze. Bohle Ji looked like a real dork under any circumstances, but apparently he had a big bugger in his nose and was picking it voraciously on this occasion. I mean, he was really, really, entire-finger-up-the-nostril picking his nose. To me, I thought Bohle Ji was the divine incarnation of music (as it explains in WIGM) and truly a divine being. His nose-picking grossed me out so much that I had to leave and I thought the lord was testing me with a lila and it was done for me personally to challenge my concepts about what a divine being should look like. I mean, until I got rid of that concept, I would be denied total realization of knowledge. So that bugger was really for my benefit. Oh how GMJ guided our spiritual development.

So, I was happy when Bohle Ji fell from grace because I could also remove his picture from the altar and not think about that big bugger every time I pranamed to his picture.
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Do you know if Dolly can sing?
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:)
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:) This is bizarre - I know I typed 'main'. How it got 'many' I just can't say. It's done this before, I know that.
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When his life is over perhaps he will see that the core of life was inside him and he dismissed it as a body function.

I cant convince on this issue but please be open to feeling your breath in the course of your day and without any opinion about it at all, see if you dont start to see its value.
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I cant convince on this issue but please be open to feeling your breath in the course of your day and without any opinion about it at all, see if you dont start to see its value.

Bill,

When animals first started breathing, bit by bit, was that the start of consciousness? Are you sure? How do you know anything? How do you consider what you know? How do you check it against fantasy and delusion?

What if YOU'RE wrong? What if life is no more the 'core of life' than blood? Are you sure about anything? You say you can't convince, can you convince yourself? Are you sure?
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Sincerely,

Scott
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'5-25-97

Comments: WOW! After all these years! I haven't seen Maharaji since the mid-80s... Ten years or more I guess. I just came from seeing him speak at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, D.C. and it was, well... Very nice! :-) The part of his message today that touched me personally had to do with what he said about "Sometimes we have to be reminded; sometimes we just have to remember. That all the love we need is right there inside. Within inside (I haven't heard him say THAT in forever!) each of us."

What a weird synchronicity. As I said, I just sort of wandered away years ago. I've been very stressed by work and tense home situation so I made an appointment for a massage to try to do something about the physical manifestations of stress... neck, shoulders, back, constant pain...Well when I got there for my appointment, this wonderful woman met me at the door and invited me in. Then above the fireplace was this wonderful picture of Maharaji! I just broke into a grin and we talked for some time, comparing who we knew and where we'd been. Then I learned from this beautiful person that this program was happening in just 2 days!

The rest is now history! Nice to be able to tell someone.

My wife has told me if she ever finds me going to see Maharaji, she'll leave. Bye bye my love.

Location: Maryland

Name: Pat Spahr

E-mail: PatSpahr9@aol.coml
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I know you look in here from time to time how could you resist. I thought you were my Lord. I gave up University so I could spend time at the palace of peace in London to get knowledge, and played the famous Mahatma game of come to coventry or go to leicester. I was a sad and nieve soul . I believed you. I told my fiance that once I got knowledge I'd have to move into an ashram and effectively ended that relationship. I was broke and followed you around the world.. I made a place in my heart for you .You have been the biggest single part of my life

I'm 42 now and I've been through a lot , and I really need you , and only you to answer some questions. People say that you never answer personal calls that your relationship has to be stage managed but please talk to me. My phone number is Singapore 7757088 my e mail is bnlcoops@cyberway.com.sg my home address is UWCSEA Dover rd Singapore 193546
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There is nothing as ridiculous as the emotions displayed by one whom we have ceased to love.

I think it's desperation
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The only way you're ever going to hear Maharaji answer anything is under subpoena. Maybe that's what it takes, some newly disgruntled American follower suing him.
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The other problem is that I find all sorts of things really plausible. Do you remember that Woodey Allen film where he was the human chameleon well to some extent I feel I'm like that. No wonder I was such a sucker for big M.
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Sincerely,

Scott
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Have you been hanging out with Bobby? And you say you've also read some of the Wright material? Have you actually READ the Moral Animal?

What's up, Scott? Well-rested from the weekend and trying to cause a little shit? (How come I keep getting all these question marks?)

Scott, your reductionism is unconsciounable (sp? [there's another one!]). Are you actually arguing against evolution? It's effects on our consciousness? What?
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' I believe that the choice remains in your hands, not guru Wright's hands, or in the hands of any other guru.'

How absolutely unfair. Wright, as you know by now, is just a science popularizer and essayist. Is there anywhere you're aware of where he tries to wrestle away a reader's choice to believe whatever? No? I didn't think so. So why the groundless attack.

Again, Scott, you've bared your fangs at the temple doors. Again, it doesn't really seem your style to rush to critical judgements of people, especially those you've never met. So why slag Wright? Why slag scientists? Why not slag Bobby? (just kidding Bobby, Scott DOES slag you). Is this how you defend your theism? Is this what it takes? Is it worth it?
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- Scott
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Almost but not quite. Your attack on Wright? What of it?

As for A Course In Miracles (yes, I'd be embarrassed having to tout that title too), I think it's illegal in Canada. No? Did I lie? Yes, I did. But will you forgive me. Yes, YOU HAVE TO! Ha, Ha, Ha! You have no choice. Here, watch this....

ACIM is sillier than DLM!

Now, how does it work? Do you have to forgive me now or do you have to wait until I apologize? I guess if I'd read the book I wouldn't have to ask so many stupid questions. Okay. You win.
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- Scott
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I think, hard as it is, you begin the healing process once you accept that he doesn't have the answers to your questions and, really, he isn't even worthy of being asked about things that are important to you. He doesn't know you from Adam and you don't know him, so what could he possibly say, except to recite the platitudes he's done, more or less, for 30 years.

And you know what? It really does get better after that.
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All the words in all the books are not the word or the breath.
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