Ex-Premie.Org |
Forum III Archive # 17 | |
From: Jul 9, 1998 |
To: Jul 16, 1998 |
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Katie -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:57:19 (EDT) __Robyn -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:37:48 (EDT) ____eb is -:- grateful for the Forum -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:36:13 (EDT) ______Robyn -:- grateful for the Forum -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:49:52 (EDT) ______Selena -:- grateful for the Forum -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 14:03:55 (EDT) __Carol -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:03:03 (EDT) __Judex -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:18:23 (EDT) ____eb -:- To Judex -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 19:20:39 (EDT) ______Katie -:- how old are we -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:22:29 (EDT) ______Judex -:- To eb -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 05:23:04 (EDT) __Jim -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:24:54 (EDT) ____eb -:- Bring Your Girlfriend... -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 19:29:12 (EDT) __Mickey the Pharisee -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:42:17 (EDT) ____JW -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 18:39:19 (EDT) ______Gerry -:- Happy Birthday, eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:02:26 (EDT) Becky -:- 'Respectability' -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 07:02:28 (EDT) __Jean-Michel -:- More/'Respectability' -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:08:32 (EDT) ____CD -:- sounds good -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:14:51 (EDT) ____Sir David -:- Unethical business -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 22:59:21 (EDT) ______Judex -:- Unethical business -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:02:20 (EDT) ______CD -:- stuff costs money -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 14:29:51 (EDT) ____Scott T. -:- More/'Respectability' -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:09:38 (EDT) __CD -:- 'Respectability' -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:10:57 (EDT) ____Gerry -:- Integrity -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:28:08 (EDT) ______CD -:- Integrity you bet -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 17:45:09 (EDT) ________Gerry -:- When will CD see 'the light'? -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 18:49:39 (EDT) __________CD -:- When will CD see 'the light'? -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 19:31:07 (EDT) ____________Jim -:- CDCP alert -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 21:25:04 (EDT) ______________CD -:- fear of the unknown -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 22:59:43 (EDT) ________________G's mom -:- the CDCP above -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:33:23 (EDT) __________________CD -:- facts, hurt and optimism -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:00:06 (EDT) ________________Jim -:- Can anyone figure this out? -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 19:54:50 (EDT) __________________bftb -:- Can anyone figure this out? -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 20:12:34 (EDT) ____________________Jim -:- Not bad, Biff... I guess -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 22:47:25 (EDT) ____________Gerry -:- When will CD see 'the light'? -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:14:32 (EDT) ________Jim -:- Avoidance Majeur -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 20:53:09 (EDT) __________CD -:- the righteous crusade -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:10:54 (EDT) ____________Gail -:- What does CD stand for? -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:32:28 (EDT) ____________Jim -:- Why Katie likes you -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 10:29:47 (EDT) ______________CD -:- Jims crusade -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:43:05 (EDT) ________________Barney -:- CD's crusade rhetoric -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:58:07 (EDT) __________________CD -:- CD's take -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:38:09 (EDT) ____________________Jim -:- CD's fake -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:50:37 (EDT) ______________________Jim -:- Oops!! -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 17:25:00 (EDT) ____________________Barney -:- CD be reasonable -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 17:56:44 (EDT) ________________Jim -:- Fuck you, Chris!! -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:00:30 (EDT) __________________Barney -:- We need Chris -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:21:48 (EDT) ____________________Jim -:- We need Chris -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:38:23 (EDT) ______________________CD -:- Jims soup -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:47:59 (EDT) ________________________JIm -:- Not bad -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:54:32 (EDT) ________________Gail -:- CD - Casualties of War -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 01:06:02 (EDT) __________________CD -:- find success -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 12:45:14 (EDT) ____________________Jim -:- Now how could that happen? -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 14:03:50 (EDT) ____Selena -:- 'Respectability' -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 14:10:13 (EDT) ______Barney -:- Dogs and Dogma -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:35:43 (EDT) ________Selena rabidDogJi -:- Dogs and Dogma -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:53:20 (EDT) __________Barney -:- Dogs and Dogma -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:04:28 (EDT) ____________Selena -:- Dogs and Dogma -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:17:05 (EDT) ______________Barney -:- Dogs and Dogma -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:24:00 (EDT) ________________SelenaDog -:- Dogs and Dogma -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:40:18 (EDT) Becky -:- going away, back 20th -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 06:44:47 (EDT) __RT -:- Your idea has merit -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:23:56 (EDT) ____Judex -:- Your idea has merit -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:12:37 (EDT) Another -:- Sir Dorphines. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 02:55:07 (EDT) __Sir David -:- Sir Dorphines. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:35:03 (EDT) ____eb -:- Sir Dorphines. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:59:21 (EDT) ____Judex -:- Sir Dorphines. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:28:03 (EDT) __Jerry -:- Sir Dorphines. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:08:06 (EDT) __bftb the vindicated -:- Sir Dorphines. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:37:12 (EDT) pam -:- sleep deprivation -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:35:19 (EDT) __a survivor -:- sleep deprivation -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:52:33 (EDT) ____Brian -:- sleep deprivation -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 07:33:46 (EDT) ______Judex -:- sleep deprivation -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:42:40 (EDT) ____Rick -:- sleep deprivation -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:20:24 (EDT) ____Divine Mistress Selena -:- sleep deprivation -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 14:17:22 (EDT) ____pam -:- sleep deprivation -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 17:34:26 (EDT) __JW -:- sleep deprivation -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:49:55 (EDT) Gerry... -:- is not ''Jerry'' -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:30:47 (EDT) __Robyn -:- is not ''Jerry'' -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:34:24 (EDT) ____Judex -:- is not ''Jerry'' -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:44:30 (EDT) __Jerry -:- is not ''Jerry'' -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:20:27 (EDT) ____Gerry -:- is not ''Jerry'' -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:09:12 (EDT) TD -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:45:22 (EDT) __JW -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:53:01 (EDT) __Jim -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:54:42 (EDT) ____JW -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:59:51 (EDT) ______Carol -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:11:23 (EDT) ________Jerry -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:46:27 (EDT) __Gail -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:58:12 (EDT) ____Jim -:- I'm charging you, Gail -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:01:07 (EDT) ____Stephen Harris -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:09:24 (EDT) ____Judex -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:09:47 (EDT) __Selena -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:00:30 (EDT) ____TD -:- What about Bob? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:30:46 (EDT) __Robyn -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:12:15 (EDT) ____RT -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:36:06 (EDT) ______Gail -:- RT's leaving? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:40:01 (EDT) ________RT who is not leaving -:- Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:54:45 (EDT) __________Gail -:- Thanks RT -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:11:25 (EDT) ____________Gerry -:- Thanks RT -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:55:32 (EDT) ______________RT in the am -:- Creative Thinking - a keeper -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:04:37 (EDT) __________Katie -:- RT, Thanks -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:12:51 (EDT) ____________RT -:- RT says Thanks in the sign of -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:45:43 (EDT) ______________Gail -:- RT says Thanks in the sign of -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:00:15 (EDT) ________________RT -:- RT says: Sign Up! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:06:04 (EDT) ______________Katie -:- RT says (comments) -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:49:11 (EDT) ________________RT -:- RT says OK -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:09:01 (EDT) ______________JW -:- RT says Thanks in the sign of -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 13:40:14 (EDT) __________Richard -:- Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:49:04 (EDT) __________x -:- Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 16:54:55 (EDT) __________Judex -:- to Rt -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:31:33 (EDT) ____________RT -:- Karoke Busters -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 11:29:56 (EDT) __________Brian -:- Good post, RT -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 12:38:11 (EDT) ____________RT -:- Good post, RT resonding -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:26:17 (EDT) __________JW -:- Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 13:50:07 (EDT) ____________RT -:- Visions Plea Market -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:09:08 (EDT) ______Judex -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:23:49 (EDT) __Sir David -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:16:37 (EDT) ____Jim -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:47:21 (EDT) ______TD -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:06:57 (EDT) ______Rick -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:26:42 (EDT) ______John -:- Celebrating meat! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:28:26 (EDT) ________Rick -:- Celebrating meat! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:50:14 (EDT) ________Mickey the Omnivore -:- Celebrating meat! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:58:48 (EDT) ________a not ex premie -:- Celebrating meat! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 02:27:47 (EDT) __________Jim -:- Discrimination -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:05:37 (EDT) ______JW -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:55:24 (EDT) ________eb -:- Food Fights -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 02:25:27 (EDT) __________TD -:- Happy Birthday eb -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:13:06 (EDT) ____________RT on an egg roll. -:- Happy Birthday eb! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:24:04 (EDT) __________selena -:- eb's birthday -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:51:25 (EDT) ____________Gail -:- eb's birthday wish -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 21:24:07 (EDT) ________Robyn -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism,JW -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:36:14 (EDT) ______Richard -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:00:50 (EDT) ________John -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:31:25 (EDT) ________Gerry -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:45:13 (EDT) ________RT -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:38:11 (EDT) __________Rick -:- Vestigal Vegetarianism -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 12:21:03 (EDT) ________Jim -:- Sorry, Richard, didn't notice -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 19:50:09 (EDT) __Judex -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:34:21 (EDT) ____TD -:- Health issues and M & K -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 01:11:46 (EDT) ______Judex -:- health issues & healing -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 08:27:18 (EDT) ________bftb -:- kind of off topic -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 11:53:43 (EDT) __________Judex -:- kind of off topic -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 13:17:12 (EDT) ____________bftb -:- kind of off topic -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 14:09:07 (EDT) ______________Judex -:- marijhuana addiction: to bftb -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 06:13:33 (EDT) ____Jim -:- Louise Hay is full of shit -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 14:01:41 (EDT) ______Bobby -:- Jim is full of shit -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 19:38:53 (EDT) ________Bobby -:- Jim is full of shit -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 19:56:12 (EDT) ______Jerry -:- Louise Hay is full of shit -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 19:51:36 (EDT) ________Jim -:- Louise Hay is full of shit -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 21:39:26 (EDT) __________Jerry -:- Guy to guy -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 22:17:34 (EDT) x -:- Divine Molesters -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:37:34 (EDT) __Katie -:- Divine Molesters -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:01:44 (EDT) ____x -:- Divine Molesters -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:53:28 (EDT) ______TD -:- Sickos... -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:05:43 (EDT) ______Judex -:- Divine Molesters -:- Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 08:36:08 (EDT) ____G's mom -:- Divine Molesters -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:06:49 (EDT) ______G's mom -:- sickos -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:24:10 (EDT) ________G's mom -:- more -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:31:55 (EDT) __________pam -:- original posts -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:07:15 (EDT) ____________Katie -:- original posts -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:45:04 (EDT) ______________pam -:- original posts -:- Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 22:34:21 (EDT) |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:57:19 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Dear eb - I wish you a very happy birthday. Now you're as old as I am, yikes! I hope it's a great day, and a great year. Thanks for being on the forum. Lots of love from Katie P.S. Robyn and I were going to surprise you with a greeting this morning (actually I am usurping Robyn's birthday privilege), but you already outed yourself below. Just wanted you to know that we did remember. Really! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:37:48 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Dear eb, To be totally honest, doing that a lot lately. :) I had it in my head that tomorrow was your birthday but had it written down as the 10th. Yes I am already slipping in my self appionted postion as birthday coordinator, ugh. Anyway dear, have a GREAT day today! Love you, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:36:13 (EDT)
From: eb is Email: None To: Everyone Subject: grateful for the Forum Message: Thanks to everyone of you who participates here, I feel great today! (Usually I hide out on my birthday, don't go to work, stay in bed with covers up to my ears and feel depressed). I do believe it's got something to do with having been able to put lots of shit behind me and move on. I'm no longer bound by premie guilt. And what's more, I feel as though I've reconnected with a part of me I lost when I vowed to serve Maharaji forever some 25 years ago. Thank you all so very much for being here! With love, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:49:52 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb is Subject: grateful for the Forum Message: Dear eb, That is so good to hear! I am so glad you are having a great day! Love you, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 14:03:55 (EDT)
From: Selena Email: None To: eb is Subject: grateful for the Forum Message: That is a huge step eb! Thanks you give me hope! I always take my birthday off work because I don't want all that attention. I probablywill continue to do that but at least I can come out from under the blankets maybe. Enjoy!!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:03:03 (EDT)
From: Carol Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Me too, to you!!!the Happiest of Birthdays and years, until the next one! Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:18:23 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: eb Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Many happy returns eb. If life begins at 40 you must be......? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 19:20:39 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Judex Subject: To Judex Message: I'm not certain whether it's my medication or my meditation... or maybe those lost years in Psychedelic Land, but I can't remember from one moment to the next how old I am. Everytime I need to tell someone my age, I have to remember I was born in 1956 so I can subtract. Then I have to try to remember what year we're in currently to arrive at the correct number. It's always so confusing. Thanks for the sentiment. So life begins at 40, eh? When I used to believe in karma, I thought I was cramming 3 lifetimes into one. So I guess that means I'm about 126. Feels like it sometimes. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:22:29 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: eb Subject: how old are we Message: eb, honey - we are 42 (a uncompromisingly solid even number). It takes me a while to remember now too. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, redux. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 05:23:04 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: eb Subject: To eb Message: Dear eb, 1956 rules!!!!! Born in the year of the Monkey - clever and loved. Now all we need is the 100th monkey and monkey's wisdom will rule! We got our hands out of the shiny jar - let's hope the rest do too. Congrats on reaching this stirling age! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:24:54 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Happy Birthday, eb. My girlfriend picked out this post but it's from both of us. So where's the party? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 19:29:12 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Jim Subject: Bring Your Girlfriend... Message: and let's get started. I've already eaten one white chocolate raspberry cheesecake with an oreo cookie crust made by my co-worker. Tonight it's live music and spirits with some friends and family. May last all weekend. I don't last long, though--my bedtime's at 9:00 pm PST. Stop by if you're in the vicinity. Cheers all! eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:42:17 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Happy birthday to yoooooooo Happy birthday to yoooooooo Happy birthday dear eb Happy birthday to yoooooooo Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 18:39:19 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Happy Birthday from me too, eb. Please keep that terrific sense of humor of yours out of the rain. Keep it both dry and wry. Joe Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:02:26 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, eb! Message: Birthday greetings to you eb, hope it's still the 10th where you are! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 07:02:28 (EDT)
From: Becky Email: None To: Everyone Subject: 'Respectability' Message: My university was the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. Attached to that is a cultural centre called the Brunei Gallery. Anyway I recently discovered that there are programmes showing at the Brunei Gallery. I spoke to the people responsible for booking events there, and they don't have a clue who M is. I guess the dosh (cash) was enough to persuade them. I've printed off some stuff from here and sent it to the woman in the events section and to the director of S.O.A.S explaining who the hell they have booked in. so far no reply. I was thinking, if anyone has the time, they could also write to the Director and explain what an idiot he's being. Address:School of Oriental & African Studies, Thornaugh Street, Russell Square, London WC1H OXG. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:08:32 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Becky Subject: More/'Respectability' Message: In the same area: Mr Rawat is advertising his 'Ivory's Rock Conference Center' (Amaroo) on several official Australian media. It looks like some companies are renting it, and feeding the LOTU. These guys very likely now nothing about what's behind the screen! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:14:51 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: sounds good Message: >It looks like some companies are renting it, Sounds great! It has been a plan for quite a while to rent Amaroo as a conference center when not being used.. I am glad to hear that the plan is working. Thanks for the news. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 22:59:21 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Jean-Michel Subject: Unethical business Message: Renting out a conference centre is pretty normal, mundane business but when the conference centre has been built and maintained by premies, either on low pay or no pay, for the express use of having a site to see their guru on then it is pretty bad form for the guru to capitalise on this and get extra revenue from renting it out. When are premies going to wake up to what is going on and how they are being used? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:02:20 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Unethical business Message: My sister made the curtains for the 'knowledge hall' at Amaroo and swept the floors, when it was first built just before I went up and received knowledge. I think I received it partly from her love and dedication, fuck Maharaji's. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 14:29:51 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Sir David Subject: stuff costs money Message: >bad form for the guru to capitalise on this and get extra revenue from renting it out. What are you talking about? Stuff costs money. You're a businessman. You know. Have you seen the $ figures for the costs to put in the water and sewage systems to be able to have people stay at the site during events? How about just the bill for the water connection to the city water system? CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:09:38 (EDT)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: More/'Respectability' Message: J-M: These guys very likely know nothing about what's behind the screen! And it's very likely they don't care. Highly renowned reporters work for the Washington Times, and it is read by quite a few Republican conservatives (ond others) even though it's owned by the Moonies. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:10:57 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Becky Subject: 'Respectability' Message: >I've printed off some stuff from here and sent it to the woman in the events section and to the director of S.O.A.S explaining who the hell they have booked in. so far no reply. >I was thinking, if anyone has the time, they could also write to the Director and explain what an idiot he's being. Thats your opinion. Are you into censorship? Who the heck are you to decide what programs should happen? If you don't like the programs, by all means don't go. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:28:08 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: CD Subject: Integrity Message: CD, If the people leasing facilities knew what they were sponsoring perhaps they would choose to do otherwise. Of course BM Inc. doesn't come out and say this is a program presented to ensnare unsuspecting and needy people into a cult for the personal enrichment of the despicable rawat. No, that would imply a shred of decency and honesty, which we all know is lacking in this cult and its leaders. How can you continue to be an apologist for BM when you are obviously reading this website. Don't words mean anything to you? Did you read KK's posts? I really don't understand, Chris. Do you believe it when people say the meditative experience is available to you without the guru trip? Do you believe that the feelings of bliss are also available w/o the guru trip? Do you believe it when people tell the facts of abuse and suffering at the hands of BM and his minions? Can you see that just perhaps you are in denial? Just wondering if you can respond as a rational, thoughful person...no knee jerking, please, and no premiespeak. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 17:45:09 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Integrity you bet Message: >Do you believe it when people say the meditative experience is available to you without the guru trip? Very old news to me. Why does Pete Sampras have a coach? It does not bother me to have a teacher. You want to be 'independent', fine. I know how to say thankyou and don't have a problem doing so. >Did you read KK's posts? I really don't understand, Chris. Yes, I read several of the posts. It seems that all the good aspects of what M has done are conveniently ignored. I have personally benefited and continue to do so. I know that it is hard for you to understand. Does it suprise you that the focus of Ms message at talks is still about the priority of discovering for yourself what the feeling inside is. The message is to experience, not believe. A very positive outlook on living. Too simple for some people but still valid. I can get pleasure out of a simple song, a reminder of the stars in the sky or a story about love rediscovered. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 18:49:39 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: CD Subject: When will CD see 'the light'? Message: It seems that all the good aspects of what M has done are conveniently ignored. Chris, could you elaborate on these ''good things?'' It's only fair to hear both sides of the story. Does it suprise you that the focus of Ms message at talks is still about the priority of discovering for yourself what the feeling inside is. Of course this is the message. He is simply reconveying an old old story, packaged in a cult of personality for his own benefit, to the detriment of others. This is what I object to. You or anybody else could ''go inside'' and experience whatever is so exciting there (I really don't get this part and I received and practised K plenty) by simply reading a book. I know this is old news to you. Why do you owe M anything including graditude for something that's in the public domain? It sure looks suspiciously like a cult and you sure look like you are being taken advantage of, but then, you seem to like it. You're right, I can't understand this simple truth. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 19:31:07 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Gerry Subject: When will CD see 'the light'? Message: >Why do you owe M anything including graditude for something that's in the public domain? You sound like a Linux kind of guy. >but then, you seem to like it. You're right, I can't understand this simple truth. Yes, I do like what I get and don't feel that I am being taken advantage of. You know music. Why is it that some people hate the music that you love? I really don't know the answer (to answer my own question). Do all people really have love deep inside? When you observe how people treat each other it certainly doesn't seem to be possible. That is the 'logical' conclusion. But, I do hope so, for all that hope is worth! Regards, CD 'paradise and put up a parkin lot' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 21:25:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: CDCP alert Message: Do all people really have love deep inside? When you observe how people treat each other it certainly doesn't seem to be possible. That is the 'logical' conclusion. But, I do hope so, for all that hope is worth! Chris, old buddy, I'm gonna try to talk you down on this one. Hang on there, pal. Okay, really gently now: 1) KK alleges that Padarthanand tried to sexually assault him. 2) KK reported it directly to Maharaji. 3) Maharaji gave KK money. 4) Padarthanand still tours as one of Maharaji's closest spokesman. Now, you've got something to say about how people treat each other? Yeah? What's that? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 22:59:43 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: fear of the unknown Message: >Now, you've got something to say about how people treat each other? KK who? Him? You claim you are a lawyer! I still hope that deep inside all people there is love! You included. Regards, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:33:23 (EDT)
From: G's mom Email: None To: CD Subject: the CDCP above Message: Dear Chris, I have been away for awhile but I really sensed there was good in you when we had our little chat with Jim. I was REALLY hoping you would address questions he posted to you. Chris, I know you feel there is good in EV/Rawat. I do not ask abou that. But how do you as a human feel when you hear these stories? I think you know there were some really hurt people that Mr. Rawat let down. I just want you to directly answer Jim's questions. And focusing on the he / she thing was really a cop out IMHO. It really would not change anything that was said. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:00:06 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: G's mom Subject: facts, hurt and optimism Message: >But how do you as a human feel when you hear these stories? I mentioned the 'He' thing because the source is unkown yet trusted. I certainly do not condone improper behaviour. I have watched Judge Judy and know that the facts can be different than what appears to be true at first. As far as people feeling sad or let down, it brings me no joy. But I do know that people are complex and the circumstances and reasons are certainly quite varied. There are people who mope around about not having a good job (I have been guilty) and then sometimes a spark of something gets them on another track and their life changes. I do not know how this happens exactly but it certainly does. You might find the book by Napolean Hill interesting. What I am saying is that I believe people have problems but I do not necessarily believe in their explanations of what has caused their problems. I certainly wish everybody well and hope each person can have a happy life. It is obvious by reading the news, walking down a city street, or having a close tragedy occur that this is a sort of dream. Yet I am going to be stubborn in my optimism. Hopefully I can be a contributor to positive outcomes for myself and others. Good luck, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 19:54:50 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Can anyone figure this out? Message: >Now, you've got something to say about how people treat each other? KK who? Him? You claim you are a lawyer! Can anyone, Chris included, figure out what the hell Chris is saying here? I'm stuck. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 20:12:34 (EDT)
From: bftb Email: None To: Jim Subject: Can anyone figure this out? Message: This one's a toughie.I think he may have been trying to say: 'KK who?You don't even know his last name!Or even if KK has anything to do with his name.And furthermore,Him?What makes you so sure KK's a Him?And you call yourself a lawyer.' Keep in mind that CD may think of lawyers and detectives as similar. Howzatt? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 22:47:25 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: bftb Subject: Not bad, Biff... I guess Message: Biff, This one IS a tough one. The lab's closed for the weekend. Otherwise I'd have the guys work up a few tests. You know, one possibility that seems a bit extreme but which I just can't shake out of my head is that Chris honestly doesn't mean anything sometimes. Like nothing at all. Say you're 9 years old, walking home late from the park. A bunch of bullies jump you. You're scared shitless. They back you into a corner and really start in on you. You close your eyes and just wing your little arms this way and that. You can't see what you're doing but you can't stop, you're so scared. Now are you actually punching SOMEBODY there? I don't think so. You're just kind of going through the motions, right? I think that's how it gets for premies trying to defend that fat arrogant pig, Prempal Rawat. There's nothing much for them to say but they close their eyes and say it anyway. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:14:32 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: CD Subject: When will CD see 'the light'? Message: Chris, Could you answer my question. I asked it in the spirit of fair play and sincerity so I'll try again: Chris: It seems that all the good aspects of what M has done are conveniently ignored. Gerry: Chris, could you elaborate on these ''good things?'' It's only fair to hear both sides of the story. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 20:53:09 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Avoidance Majeur Message: >Did you read KK's posts? I really don't understand, Chris. Yes, I read several of the posts. It seems that all the good aspects of what M has done are conveniently ignored. Chris, You could (and do) say that to anything. It's like someone holds up a report entitled Negative Things and asks your opinion about the allegations. Wouldn't it be weird of you just said, 'Oh, everything in it's critical'? Wouldn't that be kind of silly? Not to mention evasive? Think about it, Chris. Isn't that what you're doing here? Don't be afraid to talk about things. For whatever else you might say about it, it just LOOKS stupid. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:10:54 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: the righteous crusade Message: >You could (and do) say that to anything. It's like someone holds up a report entitled Negative Things and asks your opinion about the allegations. You are sounding like a student of the McCarthism of the 50s. The evidence is sloppy. Your witnesses are on a crusade to nowhere. You desparately want to win! CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:32:28 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: CD Subject: What does CD stand for? Message: CULT DEVOTEE? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 10:29:47 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Why Katie likes you Message: is a big mystery with me, Chris. Do you have any idea why? Is it because of your broad, caring personality? I'd kind of think that even a nice guy like yourself would want to know the truth about things every now and then, wouldn't he? Instead you write: You are sounding like a student of the McCarthism of the 50s. The evidence is sloppy. Your witnesses are on a crusade to nowhere. You desparately want to win! Chris, I know it's a big rush for you to actually see people care about what they're saying. Yes, in a debate, people sometime even really want to win! ('Desparately'? I'm noty so sure.) But aren't you being a bit rude here? KK tells us that one of M's biggest representitives, Padarthanand, sexually assaulted him, that he reported it to M and that he M apparently did nothing about it. What's 'sloppy' about that? Do you want KK to elaborate on when, where and how Padarthanand tried to molest him? Or perhpas you want details about KK's report to M? Either way, Chris, you should simply, politely, ask for them. In the meantime, you've no reason to call KK 'sloppy'. That's just being rude, isn't it? But say KK's NOT a liar, Chris. Then what? Once you've finally gotten to the point where you can accept his story as being true, what does THAT tell you? Huh? Or will you play the kind of game PT plays here? Remember? PT claims that M never said he was God. No matter how many quotes one shows him where Maharaji says just that -- including quotes, for example, where Maharaji says he is the 'God in human form' -- PT says that's not enough. Funny, isn't it? Funny, like incredibly pathetic. That kind of funny. But how about you, Chris? Is that what you;re going to do? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:43:05 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jims crusade Message: >KK tells us that one of M's biggest representitives, Padarthanand, sexually assaulted him, that he reported it to M and that he M apparently did nothing about it. What's 'sloppy' about that? So far you have conducted your investigations like a typical sloppy ambulance chaser attorney. Do what you must in these matters. Maybe you will prove me wrong. Yet, this issue is only a small facet to the large story. The most important issue to me is the validity of the experience that K is purported to have in a persons life. Regards, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:58:07 (EDT)
From: Barney Email: None To: CD Subject: CD's crusade rhetoric Message: CD, Your use of rhetoric (i.e. 'Jim's crusade') as an effective means to sweep away valid issues and concerns fails miserably. The allegation of Mahatmas molesting people is quite serious in terms of what kind of organization is MJ running and what kind of saving the world is this. 'You shall know him by his fruits?' I believe that in today's postings to you by Jim that Jim has done a superb job in disarming your rhetoric in an effort to skate around the specifics of the issue. It brings integrity to the discussion. Certainly, the validity of the allegations is of major concern. And here we are the jury. Sure, this proceeding is not as elevated as a court of law, for what that's worth. But, I believe KK and I believe the others and I believe Anita Hill. Look at the Catholic Archdiose settlement of some $20 to 30 million in Texas. There's plenty of evidence in all the religions of inproprieties and victimization in the name of God and DLM, DUO, EV and whatever are no exception. IMHO, the real crime is the continued denial and the do nothing about it solution. What kind of world peace is being promoted? What message does this send to the individuals involved? And, finally, what does it say about the leadership? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:38:09 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Barney Subject: CD's take Message: >I believe that in today's postings to you by Jim that Jim has done a superb job in disarming your rhetoric in an effort to skate around the specifics of the issue. It brings integrity to the discussion. Jim is an attorney with a decent bank account. He has been alleging things for 2 years and never followed a single allegation through to a detailed conclusion. I used the word 'crusade' because that is how Jim is conducting himself. He has used his skills as an attorney to promote his cause only in the capacity of an ambulance chaser. He is a man with a grudge. He may have a case, but so far he is just a noisy, rude attorney with a grudge. Another example, JW made claims about illegal tax issues and never followed through. If you go way back you will find that a story was posted on the original ex-premie web page about Maharji being in jail in Nigeria. Regards and good luck, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:50:37 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: CD's fake Message: Jim is an attorney with a decent bank account. How do you know how much money I have? What's your point anyway? He has been alleging things for 2 years and never followed a single allegation through to a detailed conclusion. What have I alleged and what conclusions have I stopped short of? I alleged Maharaji used to claim he was God and I backed it up conclusively with his own words. (Actually, a number of us alleged that and came up with the proof). You, you little worm, never had the common decency to deal with the facts -- in this case, the quotes -- when they were presented. Now, what? You want to go through all that all over again? Sorry, Chris, you've had your chance. Game over. Maharaji claimed he was God in Human Form. That point's decided. Next? I alleged that Maharaji will not answer his critics in any way, shape or form. People like Bruce, your nasty premie friend from Australia, challenged me to go ask Maharaji himself some of my questions. Well, I didn't do that. Instead, I notified Maharaji through Linda Gross (as well as on this page) that I wanted to go to the Seattle program and ask a few questions. Two things happened: Maharaji inexplicably cancelled the program and Linda advised me that, as far as EV was concerned, attendees at Maharaji's 'speaking engagements' (at least the ones EV invites him to. Who can say about the rest? Ha ha ha!) are NOT welcome to ask questions. Short of getting tossed out at one of these cult group fucks, I think I've proven that Bruce was fill of shit. I alleged that you were a little weenie as well, didn't I? I think you supplied that proof. Thanks for the help. I used the word 'crusade' because that is how Jim is conducting himself. He has used his skills as an attorney to promote his cause only in the capacity of an ambulance chaser. He is a man with a grudge. He may have a case, but so far he is just a noisy, rude attorney with a grudge. Another example, JW made claims about illegal tax issues and never followed through. If you go way back you will find that a story was posted on the original ex-premie web page about Maharji being in jail in Nigeria. Regards and good luck, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 17:25:00 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jim Subject: Oops!! Message: I forgot that I wasn't finished. I used the word 'crusade' because that is how Jim is conducting himself. He has used his skills as an attorney to promote his cause only in the capacity of an ambulance chaser. 'Crusade' is a good word here. Thanks. But 'ambulance chaser'? Oh come off it. Here's ambulance chasing ex-premie lawyer: Hey everyone out there. Did Maharaji ever look at you the wrong way? Did he ever fuck you and not call in the morning? Want to make some money for all your troubles? Well maybe I can help.... Now THAT might be construed as 'ambulance chasing', maybe not. But how is anything I'm doing worthy of your kneejerk description? Really. You've said this often enough. I think it's time you explained yourself. He is a man with a grudge. He may have a case, but so far he is just a noisy, rude attorney with a grudge. Why are we even talking about me, ya' hosehead? What the fuck do I know? I might have watched some of the show but I was in the bleachers. KK, on the other hand, has just shown up with some incredible stories from backstage. Deal with his stuff. Do you think he's just making it up when he says Padarthanand sexually assaulted him, that he reproted it to Maharaji and that Maharaji didn't do anything about it but instead offered him money when he decided to split? Those are the allegations you should be dealing with, you schmo. And IF KK's telling the truth, then what? Huh? Where'd that money come from, Chris? Isn't that the same money that you lovingly tucked in to an envelope at your last darshan line. Now what? It's being used as hush money? Interesting, isn't it. I think it was Broussard who made a famous, arty film about some money (wasn't it called 'L'argent'?) which changes hands again adn again. You literally get to 'follow the money'. Wouldn't it be interesting to follow some premie's love donation to Maharaji and see where it all goes? Another example, JW made claims about illegal tax issues and never followed through. What do you want, for JW to report Maharaji to the IRS? Boy, first last week you helped eveyone out with a link to JM's page. Now you're urging us to help put Maharaji behind bars. I used to think Maharaji cringed a bit at Mili's posts. I wonder how he's enjoying yours. If you go way back you will find that a story was posted on the original ex-premie web page about Maharji being in jail in Nigeria. Yes, and your point is what? You know, that brings up a very interesting point. Back when Scott Perry and I were first hashing out this almost-disappeared Lord of Love we used to try to surrender our minds to, there was so little information about Maharaji. So little. Do a web search on him and what you got was this one little story about someone named Guru Maharaj Ji spending a few months in a Nigerian jail for fraud. And waht was so incredible was that, for all Scott or I or anyone around then knew, maybe it was true! Like we really had no idea just what the little asshole was doing these days. Maybe he HAD gotten into a little trouble over there. Now, of course, we are greatly relieved to realize that, whoever that news piece was about, it certainly wasn't OUR Guru Maharaj Ji who, thankfully, has never spent a day in jail himself. But what's your point, you little Mr. Hanky? Regards and good luck, THIS must be what Katie likes so much about you. Yes, 'regards and good luck' to you, too, Chris. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 17:56:44 (EDT)
From: Barney Email: None To: CD Subject: CD be reasonable Message: Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:00:30 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Fuck you, Chris!! Message: So far you have conducted your investigations like a typical sloppy ambulance chaser attorney. Do what you must in these matters. Maybe you will prove me wrong. Yet, this issue is only a small facet to the large story. The most important issue to me is the validity of the experience that K is purported to have in a persons life. Regards, CD' Fuck you, you snivelling little frozen-smiled happy face. Fuck you and the fat little guru you rode in on. Chris, I LOVE watching your guru's trip fall down around you. Don't you? Look, you're obviously posting here to try to counter the stream of criticism and bad publicity Maharaji gets here. Do you think your posts accomplish that? Is that what you think? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:21:48 (EDT)
From: Barney Email: None To: Jim Subject: We need Chris Message: Jim, Don't scare this guy off. We need him to present the current state of where premies are still at. He presents us with an excellent example of the continuing premie mindset and just how lame and feeble it is. Here he is posting against MJ's agya and is destined to a special CyberHell where the page only refreshes with a 401 message. BTW, wasn't 401 the satsang hall in the Kitteridge (sp?) Building? He comes here and lays it out for us. We see that nothing has really changed in terms of the propaganda, mind control, and dogma. He refuses to logically and rationally deal with factual or alleged issues that are fairly well backed up. Surely, any rational person would be concerned about these issues. CD says, 'The most important issue to me is the validity of the experience that K is purported to have in a persons life. How can these issues not have an effect on the validity of the experience in a person's life? It, indeed, always affected me in a negative way. You're told one thing and told to ignore a whole lot of nasty things. The message is in a constant state of flux. Come on Chris, look at the whole picture. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:38:23 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Barney Subject: We need Chris Message: Barney, I just love to lose it on Chris every now and then. He loves it too. It's sick. Sometimes I feel like that guy in Pulp Fiction, the pawnshop owner with the 'gimp' in a cage in the basement. Excuse me for a moment,... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:47:59 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jims soup Message: >Sometimes I feel like that guy in Pulp Fiction, the pawnshop owner with the 'gimp' in a cage in the basement You are the owner of the soup restaraunt in the Seinfield episode. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:54:32 (EDT)
From: JIm Email: None To: CD Subject: Not bad Message: Nice little joke, Chris. Not bad. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 01:06:02 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: CD Subject: CD - Casualties of War Message: Dear CD: You are probably right. When you consider the big picture of saving souls and all that bliss, Padarthanand is a big help. Even if it is true--what's a little sexual assault in the face of all this glory. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 12:45:14 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Gail Subject: find success Message: >You are probably right. When you consider the big picture of saving souls and all that bliss, Padarthanand is a big help. Even if it is true--what's a little sexual assault in the face of all this glory. Gail, 'You are probably right' in the context you have used it is a misleading slur on what I believe and stand for on this forum. Enjoy your new found 'I have seen the other light' after 24 years of apparent ignorance and confusion, but don't be deluded as to think that you are on such a roll now that you can speak for me. I do hope you get your act together and find success in your life. You see, I really am optimistic. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 14:03:50 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Now how could that happen? Message: 'You are probably right' in the context you have used it is a misleading slur on what I believe and stand for on this forum. How could anybody possibly mistake what you stand for, Chris? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 14:10:13 (EDT)
From: Selena Email: None To: CD Subject: 'Respectability' Message: well well a sign of emotion! Who would have 'thought' it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:35:43 (EDT)
From: Barney Email: None To: Selena Subject: Dogs and Dogma Message: Thank god or whatever your deity might be that there are old timers like Jim that can challenge the rhetoric of CD. Excellent Job! To this day when you get involved with the cult you are kept in the dark. In fact, I think that it is even more true today with the current rules of engagement where premies are not allowed to say anything and are limited to inviting people to videos. Once a person is in the aspirant stage and they have questions they are told little else other than to keep coming to the videos. This is very effective in keeping the major issues that are brought to this forum out of view. This is really the beginning of the surrendering of your free will and ability to question objectively. And not to objectively question some of these nasty issues is a sign that you are ready for K. Really, how healthy is this? And most of us know that this is only the beginning of the joy ride. The blinders have been attached. There is the claim that the cult is not one based on dogma, but inner experience. That's fine - inner experience is good. However, the dogma slowly comes from the videos and is subtly promoted and enforced by the premies. And the ever changing dogma is constantly being absorbed. This forum is extremely useful for the honest discussion of both the inner and experience and the dogma. Unfortunately, it seems that the hardcore premies respond only with pre-recorded dogma and have automatic dogmatic responses to everything including immoral and illegal activities by the key players. Baby, it's all going to the dogs! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 15:53:20 (EDT)
From: Selena rabidDogJi Email: None To: Barney Subject: Dogs and Dogma Message: It's so funny that premie called me a rabid dog. I just can't get over it. I am often so over-sensitive on forum but that time I just laughed and laughed!!! Excellent thoughts. The videos events I attended even up to last December were so strange. People didn't talk to each other. And these are people - only about 10 - who have known each other since the seventies. Just a few polite hellos and out the door. Isn't that creepy? and yet so revealing. We can't stand each other but will come together for a video because a) HE says to come and to bring new people B) we have nothing else to grab on to to cope with life C) we are junkies for 'that' experience (never seeing that it's in there anyway. In our city the premies can't stand each other and yet put on this charade for the sake of M and bringing a straggling newcomer in now and then. I know this is true because I got to hear gossip from the various individuals - badmouting the other. And it got thrown my way a few choice times, once over a hotel reservation! Ironic because the reservation was to see M. uh hello????????? This woman went into a rage because I reserved it for us since she had awful credit, then she decided she wanted to sleep with this guy there and didn't want me ther eand I said no.. God I am embarrassed even posting this, we are talking about 40 year olds here! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:04:28 (EDT)
From: Barney Email: None To: Selena rabidDogJi Subject: Dogs and Dogma Message: I hope that you don't think I was calling you or anybody a rabid dog? Your handle modifier, 'rabidDogJi', is pretty funny. And I really wasn't replying to your post, but merely trying to post at the end of the thread. Or am I just being dense? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:17:05 (EDT)
From: Selena Email: None To: Barney Subject: Dogs and Dogma Message: whoa Barney!! This premie Jack called me a rabid dog for the way I was attacking M and it kind of turned into a joke. That's what I was talking about. I am so sorry. I thought you had been around then - it was a few months ago. I was *agreeing* with your post and just trying to add onto it. Scary how easy misunderstanding can happen in email. sorry again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:24:00 (EDT)
From: Barney Email: None To: Selena Subject: Dogs and Dogma Message: Oh, good. I can relax now. Think I'll take my dog, Foamy, for a walk now and see what kind of trouble we can find. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:40:18 (EDT)
From: SelenaDog Email: None To: Barney Subject: Dogs and Dogma Message: Thanks Barney. Now I feel better too :)) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 06:44:47 (EDT)
From: Becky Email: None To: Everyone Subject: going away, back 20th Message: I'm off to look after my mum's cat for a week, so I won't have access to this place until the 20th. Look forward to talking to you guys again. One idea: how about pooling some resources and making a documentary about MJ? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:23:56 (EDT)
From: RT Email: hmmm To: Becky AND Jim Subject: Your idea has merit Message: Dear Becky, [I love it when you say 'mum'] A movie, once produced, needs distribution. Ugh. work woirk work. Your first idea has more power: write to ALL the Libraries and halls where Programs are being shown to ALERT them. What we need is a Press Kit! A mini web page package...best of..intro level. Great going Becky - you've hit a home run! Dear Jim: can you compose the cover letter for the abovesaid endeavor? Have a great bonding with cat. Whence you return we'll let the Sat out of the bag, eh? Rt the Ex-cited! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:12:37 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: RT Subject: Your idea has merit Message: yes - get the videos off - start with the big venues. Will help to demonstrate lack of credibility/authenticity/and dark cloudiness of cult. In Sydney they are shown at the State Libary of NSW. I wonder if they know what they are sheltering along with the community service they offer. I'll do whatever I can to support this. This is good. Katie has my email address. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 02:55:07 (EDT)
From: Another Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Sir Dorphines. Message: No user friendly, sweet substances in the pysical body exist! It's all saline or is that Al Saline?(Wasn't he in the Beach Boys?) If science can get to the answer, I'll read in in the paper. In the meantime, when one experiences that 'Sensation' Sir David, I suspect it's because we continue to be blessed with or without abject devotion.(As in OBJECT to the concept) Seems to be the running tale of accomplishment and goal of all the Ex's from Texte's. In other words all things are possible without the Master. Go for it! Your on a roll. Jim, sorry to get your ire in a twist again, but I found this screwdriver in one of the threads and I couldn't resist a tweak. Nothing personal I assure you. If we were in a band together, I'll bet we'd argue about how to play chopsticks using only one finger. Your a good sport, kind of, except when you lose. Whomever said I will be closeted reading all of the posts will be dissapointed. I do not. Way too much a la, chat room stuff. No, sorry but I must spend time indulging in personal encounters of the Project Studio kind. Adios. (Means, Go with God, a fucking platitude from the days when my ancestors first took this land from the Indians) Another Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:35:03 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Another Subject: Sir Dorphines. Message: You don't honestly believe that the experience you get from nectar comes from Maharaji's blessing, do you? I mean it's a bit far fetched. He doesn't even understand the technique himself. You are doing the classic premie thing and suggesting that the omnipresent God is Maharaji, perhaps? I once took an antidepressant tablet which had been (wrongly) prescribed to me for an allergy. After I took it I felt really ill but at the same time I heard the inner music very loud. So are you saying that Haharaji's grace can come in tablet form? I haven't seen Haharaji for 16 years nor watched a video in that time. Anything I get from the techniques is completely down to me and what's going on in me. The nectar technique does give me a high and it does give me an ecstatic sensation at times. But it's all in me. Nothing to do with Hahaheeheeraji. And of course, natural endorphines exist in our bodies. Any medical student will tell you that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:59:21 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Sir Dorphines. Message: This thread goes along with Robyn's query about why we all have different experiences in meditation. I suggest that brain chemistry is the answer. Currently I'm selling a technique to release the neurotransmitter dopamine on command without exercise or drugs. $19.95 + tax. Visa or Mastercard accepted. Jesting as usual, dr. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:28:03 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Sir Dorphines. Message: Floating - being in a state of sensory deprivation for a period of 1/2 to 1 hour also induces endorphins to flow. If they play soft music to awaken you, especially that new-agey, tinkly, silvery water kind of music it sounds exquisite, like a dream, and for a while you can't tell whether you are hearing it or becoming it! Pleasurable experience also. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:08:06 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Another Subject: Sir Dorphines. Message: In the meantime, when one experiences that 'Sensation' Sir David, I suspect it's because we continue to be blessed with or without abject devotion. Who's doing the blessing? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:37:12 (EDT)
From: bftb the vindicated Email: None To: Another Subject: Sir Dorphines. Message: Hey thanks bud.With this one post you have proved out everything I said about you.You didn't miss one point.Bravo! Regards from 'whomever' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:35:19 (EDT)
From: pam Email: None To: Everyone Subject: sleep deprivation Message: Someone in the 'health' thread mentioned sleep deprivation. I know I suffered from it in the 'old' days, especially at DECA. It that still going on? Is the service pressure still so intense that people go withing proper sleep and food? Why was it always like that around him? Last minute. Pressure. Pressure. Pressure. Stretch. Go 'beyond yourself.' Anyone have personal experience with this (past or present)? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:52:33 (EDT)
From: a survivor Email: susyhorton@earthlink.net To: pam Subject: sleep deprivation Message: dear pam- why do all the ex-premies think it was just manipulation, etc. Give yourself some credit- have some self respect, honor yourself for making the decision at the time to work for what at the time you believed in. At the time it served you. We all benefitted- well, to the degree that we individually were into it- I know personally there was a great deal of growth, of discovering that there is more to being a human than what we experience within the confines of our limited everyday ego-based identity. Perhaps you allowed yourself to go beyond the threshold of everyday mental consciousness- the sleep deprivation played a role in breaking down the limited ego so we could experience a more expanded consciousness- whether we are still into it or not is not the point- maybe it does not serve us anymore to be involved- or so we now may feel- but at the time, we were sane (Well most of us). I do not doubt that.We diminish our life's value by looking back and thinking we were just deluded into some waste of time fraudulent cult.Honestly, didn't you get some benefit in terms of growth? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 07:33:46 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: a survivor Subject: sleep deprivation Message: Perhaps you allowed yourself to go beyond the threshold of everyday mental consciousness- the sleep deprivation played a role in breaking down the limited ego so we could experience a more expanded consciousness- whether we are still into it or not is not the point- maybe it does not serve us anymore to be involved- or so we now may feel- but at the time, we were sane (Well most of us). I don't remember it being presented in that way, survivor. And neither do you. Maharaji never experienced any of what you're referring to as being beneficial sleep deprivation. Why is that? Perhaps he just wasn't into the sort of consciousness expansion that you so fondly recall. We diminish our life's value by looking back and thinking we were just deluded into some waste of time fraudulent cult. Honestly, didn't you get some benefit in terms of growth? We diminish our life's value by NOT facing the lessons to be learned by our experiences in the past. How many times do you need to be duped in order to recognize a con-man when he plops his butt on a stage?? Honestly, didn't you get some benefit in terms of growth? That we entered into Maharaji's cult in sincerity and innocence can reflect well on us if we want to see ourselves as not having made a REAL mistake - just a small error in judgement. Do you really need to sugar-coat your own past in order to live with it? Is this the sort of experience that you'd recommend to your children? How many people would you steer toward Maharaji's guidance for personal growth? Why not move to Malibu, throw away even more years on Maharaji, and undergo further growth yourself? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:42:40 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: Brian & a survivor Subject: sleep deprivation Message: I think this is important what Brian is saying, a survivor. I have been on this at times roller coaster ride for 2 months of having found out Maharaji is to put it nicely, 'not quite what he seems'. To be blunt, lately I have been doing all sorts of head numbers to try and justify to myself that I did not make a real mistake and that no-one has to be right or wrong and everyone can win. The lastest one was that I am my own master! I must have 'passed the test' and no longer need to be a premie. I have evolved out of that paradigm, outgrown the need to be a student of Maharaji. Well that sounds good, doesn't it? but where does it leave me. Another one is to say I projected myself onto Maharaji and so learnt lessons meant only for me from him. Eg: he is my divinity reflected back. If he is wordly, it is my own greed I see, etc. Well I did that projections trip once for a few years when i was doing the new age religion. Everyone I met was a reflection of me. Everything that happend to me was as a result of me, and all my experiences of the world were self created. It nearly drove me mad, having no boundaries to my reality. I am sure Maharaji does not see his poverty stricken, half mad, half ecstatic followers as being projections of himself. And thirdly, to say that while I was in it I got something out of it but now I have moved on ,why dump on it - is to deny that others are suffering today, right now because of the cult nature of knowledge. There is no defence. In cases of abuses, the perpetrator is guilty. Maharaji is an abuser of innocent, vulnerable and gullible often tender-hearted souls seeking peace. The fact that he sells it at such a high price proves it doesn't work for him. Otherwise he would indeed be giving it away. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:20:24 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: a survivor Subject: sleep deprivation Message: First and foremost, you should be honest with yourself. If you can do that and come up with some food for self-esteem that's great. If not, being honest is plenty for your self-esteem. Maharaji runs a cult in which people are programmed to disregard their desires, feelings and needs, in favor of the lie that He will take care of them. He doesn't take care of them. Disregarding yourself is a pity; it's a mistake. Nothing that can't be fixed, usually, but nothing to pat yourself on the back about, either. Suggesting that people 'honor' themselves for something because they were into it at the time, and that it 'served' them because they stayed up late and got too tired to be in their egos, is shortsighted. Premies were deprived of sleep to do the Guru's bidding. He gave bad advice and wanted Premies to stay up late to help Him give other people bad advice. Part of any cult is maintaining a certain level of being disoriented, and the whirlwind of 'going beyond' to promote His Grace, hoodwinked many into thinking they were receiving rewards. The basic integrity of this whole thing sucked. If there were a few residual and incidental benefits, it was despite the lack of integrity, not because of it. Many premies were deprived of sleep consistently and in excess. This didn't help anybody. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 14:17:22 (EDT)
From: Divine Mistress Selena Email: None To: a survivor Subject: sleep deprivation Message: Sleep deprivation as a way to enhance the quality of life? Is that what I am getting from this post? I suffer from chronic insomnia so I am therefor, according to tis, an evolved being and able to lead others to this higher conciousness. Just send the checks to selena's postal box. And I'll give you all the tips you need to get to chronic insomnia. Beware though, it's a hell of a ride! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 17:34:26 (EDT)
From: pam Email: None To: a survivor Subject: sleep deprivation Message: I see it your way. Lately, in May Miami program, he talked a lot about getting REST and distinguished between sleep and rest. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:49:55 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: pam Subject: sleep deprivation Message: I was at DECA for awhile too. Sleep deprivation was the name of the game, as was gross inefficiency, constant changes to correspond with Maharaji's personal whims, and his arbitrary, uncaring, personal greed, as well as the power trips of those premies in charge. It was always so clear he saw the premie worker bees as a means to his ends and not as real people. I think he was used to seeing people this way (as expendable, replaceable, and basically commodities for his own use) from his earliest of days, when he was worshipped, waited on, and had his every whim satisfied before he even expressed them. People were also sleep deprived at programs. Maharaji always had this pathological need for everything to start EXACTLY on time. I think this may have resulted from bad toilet training. Anyway, it was something that created, as you say, the pressure, pressure, pressure. Be assured it wasn't self-imposed, it trickled down from Maharaji's own neuroses and permeated the entire organization. From what I have heard on this forum, that hasn't changed. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:30:47 (EDT)
From: Gerry... Email: None To: Everyone Subject: is not ''Jerry'' Message: I've had some email which confused the two of us already so I would '' like to make it perfect clear...'' Gerry with a ''G'' is Gerry Lyng from McCleary, WA. Jerry with a ''J'' is his own person. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:34:24 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Gerry... Subject: is not ''Jerry'' Message: Dear Gerry, I knew that honey! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 06:44:30 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: Gerry Subject: is not ''Jerry'' Message: 'Don't go changin....' B. Joel Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:20:27 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Gerry... Subject: is not ''Jerry'' Message: I suspect that I'm the Jerry that people have confused you with. I'd give you my e-mail address so you could forward me the mail that should have come to me but I prefer to remain fairly anonymous at this stage of the game. Sorry if you got anything nasty that should have come my way. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:09:12 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jerry Subject: is not ''Jerry'' Message: Hi Jerry, Nice name, btw. The email was intended for me, but there was a referrence in it to something you said, which the writer confused. Nothing at all negative. Glad to have you here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:45:22 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Hi everyone, I was just wondering if any of you exes are currently suffering from any specific health issue which you feel you can relate to your time in DLM/EV, or to your period of deprogramming. I know from some of the archives and journeys that there are some (is it David who has ME?) cases of questionable health which the author feels in some way is attributable to life with M & K. Earlier this week, my sister said to me, 'You don't seem to get headaches as much as you used to' and the penny dropped. I never associated my headaches with practising or devotion because they were never at any specific time, like directly after practice. But I don't suffer from them at all now, so it's hard not to make that connection. I'm concerned about this because I do believe that stress/tension, suppression of emotions etc do have a tendency to manifest themselves in some way in our physical bodies. I guess I'm just hoping that participating in these forums will be good not just for our mental health, but ultimately beneficial for our physical health as well. Any views from exes would be appreciated. Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:53:01 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Very interesting question. The only health issue I had that amounted to anything was that my lower back had some problems which the doctor said could be due to the fact that I sat cross-legged on the floor 2 hours a day in meditation, and two hours a day in satsang for 10 years. I guess there wasn't enough back support. But I was pretty young as a premie, and you can do almost anything in your 20s and get away with it health-wise. I don't think the diet was very good -- to much carbohydrates and not enough protein -- and I was ALWAYS sleep-deprived as a premie. But I haven't seen that affect me much in later years. Oh, yeah, as a premie I never went to a dentist or had anything but emergency medical care. Also, I did about every weird diet trip and fast you can imagine and I was skin and bones most of the time. I experienced bouts of depression after I left. Actually, I was depressed when I was IN, too, but I didn't get it diagnosed until later. But, fortunately, that went away too. I had a lot of anxiety as a premie, which also went away when I left. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:54:42 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Weren't we all supposed to get hypoglycemia or something? I know that everyone got constipated in Rome and a number of the Holi vets have reported Agent Orange disease. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:59:51 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Very funny, Jim. Actually hypoglycemia was the illness of choice among premies, as I recall. But there were so many other perilous risks to life and limb. Arti candle burns? Charnamarit drowning? Being attacked by Anne Johnston? Getting sat on by Susan Johnson? Getting 'medical care' from John Horton? Getting malaria in the bug-infested Kissimee swamp? The list is endless. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:11:23 (EDT)
From: Carol Email: None To: JW Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: That's Funny!! I was treated by John Horton in India. I was there a month and my 3 yr old and I got dysentery plus I had bronchitis, a staph sore and vaginal infection. What fun! I also have ME which is called Fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome here. Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:46:27 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Carol Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: I may have got more 'medical care' from John Horton than I should have. He was my initiator. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:58:12 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: freedom@gtn.net To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: I just had a huge stone removed along with my salivary gland at the end of May, 1998. My friend has thyroid problems. This new age nutter said that the neck area was associated with free will. People who subjugating their own free will may develop problems in this area. I don't know if this is true or not. As soon as I got the stone out of my craw, I started reading the net. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:01:07 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Gail Subject: I'm charging you, Gail Message: People who subjugating their own free will may develop problems in this area. I don't know if this is true or not. It's not. Invoice is in the mail. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:09:24 (EDT)
From: Stephen Harris Email: mulcyber@pacbell.net To: Gail Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Well hypothyroidism (low metabolism) I don't think is related to gurus. Many people have the problem undiagnosed and it becomes worse in middle age. They do a blood panel. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:09:47 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: Gail Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Gail immediately preceding finding this Forum & shortly afterwards becoming an ex, I had been on a course of homeopathics. God, they really helped my mild depression /feelings of low self esteem. I cried buckets, I did heaps of emotional cleansing. I rested, took it easy, wasn't working at the time. I just knew I had some stuff to release after everything had been going wrong for quite a while in my life. I also read a book about emotional incest. It's when daughters or sons are made into surrogate partners for their parents, for example. Just plain wrong relationships in families. Not necessarily intentionally abusive - but very debilitating in later life. I attributed my swings from gradiosity to low esteem directly to evidence found in that book (just in case you haven't noticed this tendency in me - or maybe I'm cured!) It certainly is interesting, on reflection, what steps we take and in what sequence when ready/wanting to change and move on. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:00:30 (EDT)
From: Selena Email: None To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: That is a hard one to prove either way, I suspect. Not that it couldn't be true considering the lifestyle people led. I just got back from Dr. visit because I had the most frightening experience about 5 a.m. I am actually going through more physical and emotional stuff NOW but I think it's because I stuffed things before. A lot. And if people do have health issues from those days my guess is it could be a combination of years of stress and repression and awful diets. There is nothing wrong with vegetarianism if people know what they are doing, I guess. I mean I was one for 14 years and have been very healthy til recently. But there is some indication that high carb diets are bad for some poeple. I know this is controversial and i hope I don't start a big sub thread about it. I just know I do lot's better with a high protien moderate carb diet and most veg diets are high carb, especially when all the premies were so poor. Just some thoughts. We certainly didn't take care of ourselves all that well back then. All those hours of service stress and festivals, etc. What was the body after all? I remember that hammer mahatma (Fakirinand?) calling the human body a machine for the production of excreta. Not exactly a self affirming message. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:30:46 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: What about Bob? Message: Another question I meant to add to this thread and relate to this question on health... I know for a fact that many premies believe that Bob Mischler had his heartattack because of his remorse over doing that interview!!! More Premie justification for being a munmot? Anyway, has there been any more info on his cause of death? If not, can we get in contact with any of his surviving family members for clarification? Yeah, it seems that the various lifestyles associated with the history of DLM/EV will have brought about a wide and varied assortment of illnesses. We should make a list of all the things people have suffered and leave it on the info table at the video events as a warning to aspirants. We should also gather together all the receipts of treatments and send them to M for remuneration. TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:12:15 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Dear TD, This forum has been benificial to my health physical and emotional more than I can say and it continues. The support and honesty and even the confrontation have helped me. I can't tell you how much this place has meant to my life. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:36:06 (EDT)
From: RT Email: too sick to type... To: Robyn Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Well, my right arm tingles from surfing. That's EZ - NO more M&K Devotional Disease such as: 1. Rushing to make the 7:30 video; eyes hurt from squinting into rearview for cops. 2. Holding bladder until video is over so as to not disturb other's experience or miss the Mister's diatribe. 3. Sore feet from standing a lot at festivals; forced smile wrinkles trying to look happy. 4. Eating food in strange cities from people with different last names than you. Way different. 5. Panic of stress when you run out of cash and just can't get that new tie that BooHoo wears syncronistically during the first nite so you call up VISA and ask for an extension and they say call back on Monday. 6. Finally getting some rest the last nite but you're in a hotel room in Montreal with 3 premies who insist on Practising at 6 am for a 7:30 flight so you drive 10 miles in the breakdown lane in rush hour traffic, doing 60, and drop off the rental car and runs like a banshee is chasing you until your luggage strap breaks , dirty underwear and earlugs all over the tarmac, but damn it you missed the flight and you can't even swear in french. Nope, I am at peace now. Peace of Find. Any other M&K ailments from the gang? RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:40:01 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT Subject: RT's leaving? Message: When did you first consciously realize that you were in a cult? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:54:45 (EDT)
From: RT who is not leaving Email: CULT: defined by Noah... To: Gail Subject: Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 Message: Cult: 1/ A particular sytem of religious worship. 2/ A group devoted to a person, fad, etc. 3/ A religion considered to be False or Extremist. 4/ The members of such a religion. 5/ Attracting a small group of devotees; a cult movie. I always got by on : Videos 2x week, lots of serve-us, Premie contacts, some practise, some guilt. It was a backpocket lifestyle that gave me a reason to mark time. Sunday Night? there's a video. I liked Knowledge, but had a hard time being devoted; too many things to do. My favorite trick was wearing earplugs while driving long distance, to make up for lack of sitting. Driving Meditation. I did meditate a lot in the first 10 years, but as I developed a career, I prefered visualizing ideas to create and later draw up. Closing your eyes can be profitable. 24 years: I gave away a lot of my power...and my creativity, my most prized posession. Gail, to answer your question: it was a dark and conventional night: Miami Beach, 1997. Serving for hours...Tired. M spoke and I could not recall anything. Hard to practise there - or at hotel. THEN...The hypnotic brainwasher video of all time came on--'Always and Forever' I think it is called--...the droning drumbeat and repetitive music, watching Indian premies walk to Darshan..beat beat .shadow of M on wall, waving hands...beat beat..20 minutes of subliminals...colors, hands waving, crowds in the 6 digits, Shaking I cried..exhausted..reduced to a huddle of releasing emotions from travel, stress, mu-sick and people, thousands. What was I doing here? Is this my life? In debt, from chitting around for 23 years, It was my wake-up cry. Ironically the Mister's Premies who designed the video broke the mold I had carved. Dazed and confused, brain washed and on spin cycle, I dragged back to our meeting room...Serve-us talk....Learned 2 lead organizers I'd known for years were completely broke from months of prep/phone calls,...So I took up a collection right then and handed an envelope with $46 to the best friend of these two 'saints.' A day later: 'What happened', I asked her? 'Oh, they are hugely in debt BUT they refused the money and donated it to MJ.' Huh? These folks deserved a stipend at least for full time serve-us and they are giving away a gift. Why did not M give them money? They met with him. Later I heard they were both sick and exhausted and retired from that serve-us; ages: early 40's. That's when I knew this was screwy. That was the First Realization. I cut back on donations 100%, went to videos for the few cookies of truth and to socialize. I had stayed in touch out of emotional need, habit, because I already have given so much and was used to the strife-style...and because there was no one to express doubts to! Having been at the Residence in '92 for a solid week, with M, meant I knew a lot of people, so I think there was peer pressure, of the invisable kind-except at programs. Hey, this was Special Knowledge...that few asked for! Why? The Second Realization was the Merchandising: it was getting out of control...I was once asked to help at Visions tables, they needed 125 sales people at Long Beach. What are they peddling? 125 people? The prices were over the edge of reason; someone is very very greedy. Ties, jackets he wore, sweatshirts, bags, keychains, plates, mugs, cups, saucers, coins, videos, photos. A literal Plead Market. The Third and Final Realization of this Careless Castinyoga: One night, my fingers did the talking and typed in Maharaji and boom! Up came the strangest thing - Premie's Who Thought! Hey! Want more! I Laughed and loved the Journeys' stories. Fascinated, I read every one. Decided to contribute but did not want to get caught up in an AOL-type chit-chat room of- he said - she said - so, you got a hobby, since 1990, that I cooked up from long car drives: Karoke Busters (tm) I used to call them. (Submittals welcome, but I don't want to push it. Many Exes are very wise, some are wise guys; in this way we all teach and learn from each other. Learn-Teach, Teach-Learn) Dear Gail, I decided to stop the madness this April. The Indian Non-Peace Bombs exploded May 10th and I knew - it was all over for Subji. The .ORG ! I was saved! Uh, bookmarked - for Life! So- Thanks for reading this far. I expect, no more long posts from me - my neck hurts! -- w/ warm regards, RT ...RT who wants to make a HUGE banner to prop between 2 cars, parked in front of the next big program of M&K. Text to read in 18 inch high black letters on a yellow background: WHERE KNOWLEDGE BROUGHT US: www.ex-premie.org Just Say Know. ...It will be a sign from a creator. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:11:25 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT who is not leaving Subject: Thanks RT Message: I remember that video too. Thanks for the insight. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:55:32 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: RT Subject: Thanks RT Message: RT, You're awesome. So sorry you spent so much on the BM, but I know you'll recoup. You already have. I feel mucho affection for you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:04:37 (EDT)
From: RT in the am Email: U R Welcome. No, Thank you! To: Gail, Gerry, Gail Subject: Creative Thinking - a keeper Message: Here is my favorite quote/affirmation on Creative Thinking: As a part of Creation, I acknowledge Creation in all things, even the smallest microbe. I lead a creative life, causing fears and doubts to vanish like rain before the sun. By creative thinking I acquire knowledge and wisdom and a sense of unlimited strength which unbinds me from the limitations of convention and dogma” Well, what I did was to type this real nice-like and then I xeroxes it on of one of them thar clear acetates sheets, you know the ones ya can see thru? and then I sticks it on my kitchen winda. That way when I looks out the winda, I gets the message. All it takes is focus. RT the Cleverly HillBilly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:12:51 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: RT who is not leaving Subject: RT, Thanks Message: ...It will be a sign from a creator. RT - thank you. I liked the above quote very much, but the whole post was great. NOT too long. I'm really glad that you found the site. Take care of yourself, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:45:43 (EDT)
From: RT Email: m m good To: Katie, Jim, JW Subject: RT says Thanks in the sign of Message: ..the boss! (DECA name for BM) Hi Katie, In the referenced sign/banner, I am quite serious...but the letters would be 18 inches high, not feet. (typo: can you fix this please to inches - ') Do you think a collection for a sign would go over? A sign like this would cost $250, but could be shipped in anticipation of major events. You need 2 ex's cars to park legally across from an exiting hall. Jim's and JW's comments welcomed, legally speaking. Just say Know! Also: comments requested on Becky thread above on a 'press kit' from Ex-Premie.org to send to libraries where programs happen. Oooh... that would be a pisser. RT - EZ day at work, it's a surfin' Friday. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:00:15 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT Subject: RT says Thanks in the sign of Message: I'll pitch in ($$$). I'm used to it--I've been doing it for years for the wrong reason. It would be my pleasure. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:06:04 (EDT)
From: RT Email: $$ To: Gail Subject: RT says: Sign Up! Message: Hi Gail, that's great. Others should too, I'll take the card (logo) to a signmaker for a quote tomorrow, right after I get the cartoons. Signage- It's done on PC now - vinyl letters you peel off and stick on nylon canvas. At lunch today I thought : how do I attach a banner between 2 cars. What fun! A project to project! RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 23:49:11 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: RT Subject: RT says (comments) Message: Dear RT - Re quote marks. The forum only does single quotes, not double, thus I will correct but spell out 'feet'. Take note of this. BTW, I don't usually do corrections, everyone (in other words, I ain't fixin' no typos!) Regarding the press kit - after the People magazine interviewer spoke to him, I believe Brian had one of his gopis begin work on a press kit. This may be completed and may be available from Brian (@ex-premie.org). Anyone considering this project probably ought to check with him. (He usually cannot read the forum - if you want him to read a particular post, please put his name IN the title.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:09:01 (EDT)
From: RT Email: $$$ To: Katie Subject: RT says OK Message: Dear Katie, thank you for the corection..I review posts before uploading and did not know double quotes were not accepted. Press kit sounds like it is covered...will wait for release. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 13:40:14 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: RT Subject: RT says Thanks in the sign of Message: RT: Great idea. It might do exes good too, to actually take back a little power from the BM. You can count on me for a contribution, just let me know. Putting a sign on a banner and displaying it in a public place is what is known as free speech in the United States and is protected by law. No one can legally prevent you from doing it, as long as you aren't disrupting traffic or something and as long as you are on public property. And the negative publicity to Maharaji, if he or the premies tried to prevent it, would be just as good, if you know what I mean. Now, what some wacko premies might do to the sign and anyone around it is another issue. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:49:04 (EDT)
From: Richard Email: None To: RT who is not leaving Subject: Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 Message: Thanks RT, Tears on my pillow Pain in my heart And you['re story] on my mind Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 16:54:55 (EDT)
From: x Email: None To: RT who is not leaving Subject: Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 Message: wow, great story RT, way to go! x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:31:33 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: RT who is not leaving Subject: to Rt Message: RT - fascinated by your post. You are some unique person! I wrote you a small submittal which went way down below in this thread. (didn't address it to you - should have - Forum busy now!) What is Karoke Busters mean? (more detail?) I see what you do but how you describe it is a mystery. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 11:29:56 (EDT)
From: RT Email: no, but if you hum a few bars... To: Judex Subject: Karoke Busters Message: Hi Judex Karoke Busters were written to sing at bars -never did!- to break the old songs' habits everyone has heard a zillion times. ..it itself a kind of brainwash-sing. They rules I set up are: It has to be kind, funny, a little sarcastic but truthful - a teaching; and it has to mimic the original lyrics so closely you'd say 'huh?' what (s)he'd say? I really in joy this forum and want to thank you for your Post Toasties (tm) ! RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 12:38:11 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: RT who is not leaving Subject: Good post, RT Message: This is a great post, RT. Would you PLEASE consider writing this as a Journeys entry? I know the BH thang is funny and all, but this is far more helpful to those like you and me who stumble in here and benefit from reading the reasons that others left. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:26:17 (EDT)
From: RT Email: Email was I ere I saw Liame To: Brian Subject: Good post, RT resonding Message: Ok. BUT only as Careless Castinyoga, my new Pen name! -couple of weeks. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 13:50:07 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: RT who is not leaving Subject: Careless Castinyoga's Big 3 Message: RT: As they say, thanks for sharing. It must feel good to breathe the fresh air. As I mentioned below, count on my financial support for your banner proposal. Brings back the feelings of my anti-war days. Just one question. You said: . Ties, jackets he wore, sweatshirts, bags, keychains, plates, mugs, cups, saucers, coins, videos, photos. A literal Plead Market. You mean, Maharaji actually sells clothes he has WORN? This must be a new low, even for him. I think my premie-think is too far in the past. It's inconceivable to me that premies wouldn't get a little sick seeing that. But then, I forget that being a premie is about accepting absolutely anything BM does. Thanks again, JW Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 16:09:08 (EDT)
From: RT Email: Call me Email. To: JW & ALL Subject: Visions Plea Market Message: hoho - no -no..The jackets he wore? - oops! No all the shit is new, like it's really good shit, man. But the hook is: the same design! Photos sold of Him at Amaroo, modeling a kind of flight jacket - black, like a Member's Only brand? Only there is a swan logo on breast pocket. So all of it is NEW..just that: he wears em, they buy em. It's his own Salvation Army! RT PS Thx all for banner votes. I will get it going soon, and see about quantity discount: one for each region of the USA? 4? 7? how many? Need Count. Right now I have a rendevous with an old file cabinet and some cartoons. I am having so much fun with this! Beats standing in the road and yelling 'the emperor has no clothes!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 07:23:49 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: too well to read any To: RT Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Dear RT RT's on the ForFun All's right with the net she knows what is funny when you laugh you not sick get! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:16:37 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Just after I came to Haharaji's trip and received K, I had a medical for a job and the doctor asked me how come I was so healthy. (I had been a cyclist up to that point). Ten years later and I had been through years of poor diet, too much work with not enough sleep and rest and much stress and tension; ten years after I had come to Maharaji's world, I developed M.E. and other associated complaints. I think that if I'd stayed in my previous chosen profession, as a racing cyclist, I would have been in better shape. My choice, I know. I made the wrong choice back in 1972 and threw myself at the feet of the Lord of the Universe. But he turned out to be merely a small family business. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:47:21 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: How many of you guys are still vegetarians? I was one already for six months before I got K. The only change was giving up eggs for the guru. Eggs were supposedly very low-karma food, made one aggressive, no matter if you sucked them or lapped them like a dog. But, hey, I'm still a vegetarian. I can't quit. Even as I'm typign this I'm having a diet Dr. Pepper. I KNOW, without even looking, that there's no meat in this stuff. My whole diet's like this. Other funny premie foods? Subji Pappadums Dahl Burfee Gulab Jammins The wrong kind of Halvah yogurt (too runny if they made it themselves) a million cheese and avacodo sandwiches Remember how superior we felt to the Hare Krishnas with their REALLY bad diet? ...... Hm... we WERE superior. Maharaji, if there's one thing I can thank you for from the bottom of my heart, it's that you didn't make me a Hare Krishna. Honestly, Lord, thank you for that. Wait!... Hare Krishnas got laid, didn't they? FUCK, AM I PISSED OFF!! All along I thought I was at least better of than a Hare Krishna. FUCK! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:06:57 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Jim Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: I became a veggie (in all senses of the word) once I met my premie partner. So probably about 3-4 years. Prior to that I had been a committed carnivore. While a premie I use to fantasise about medium rare New York cut scotch eye fillet steaks....and now since leaving my partner and M, I just love getting back into them. Yum. Yum. Oh, and I love catching up on the delights of things like sushi. Oh, I'm salivating now..... My partner had done some funky diets while as a premie. He ate nothing but grapes for 3 weeks, and did the same with brown rice?? Spartan living - who can beat it?? TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:26:42 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: Jim Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: I'm a vegetarian again (actually vegan), after a stint of plenty of meat and cheese. I developed a hiatal hernia, somewhere along the way, and I can't decide if I should blame BM or the meat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:28:26 (EDT)
From: John Email: None To: Jim Subject: Celebrating meat! Message: I don't understand vegetarianism. Meat tastes good! And, it's NOT bad for you! So, what's the great fear of meat? Do people think they will leave a few extra years? Or do they think cows chickens and pigs are sacred animals or something? What's the deal? Meat saved my life in '74. I had wasted away from 160 lbs to 115 lbs. from eating about two tons too many of zucchinis. the doctor said to me, son, if you want to continue getting weaker and thinner continue your diet of fruit and vegetables. But if you want to feel good again and get healthy and live a normal life, then just eat a little meat every day! I recognized the sound of truth in those words and went out and started eating eggs and meat at every meal and in about two months I had re-gained my weight and I felt great!!! Meat!!! Tastes good and it's good for you! The real clincher for me though is that the premies gave me a real hard time about eating meat. AND Guru Maharaj Ji himself, who I have come to realize, knows absolutely NOTHING about ANYTHING, recommended to not eat meat!!! Having said that, I must confess I am married to a vegetarian. So, I hardly ever eat meat at home. And, in a way, it makes having meat that much more special since I don't have it that often. Children, children, do not forsake thy animal nature. Your teeth love to tear into flesh. Do not deny them that pleasure! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:50:14 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: John Subject: Celebrating meat! Message: There's plenty of controversy about meat. People who like it, talk about protein and strength, and getting rid of rickets. Also, tofu tastes like shit. All alternatives to meat taste like shit when you eat meat, but once you haven't had it for awhile, the alternatives can taste exquisite. Especially nowadays, if you're near one of those health food supermarkets. Vegetarians usually refer to the fat and cholesterol content in meat, the lack of fiber and how it gets stuck in your colon. Not to mention coming into a bathroom after a meat-eater's taken a dump. Well, maybe that's controversial also. I gave up meat, dairy and refined sugar when I came down with a wicked case of pneumonia last year. I had some friends who ate vegan and they kept suggesting it. The only thing that was unappealing was giving up all the tasty tidbits. It took some time, but I found some scrumptious shit to eat on a vegan diet. BM is an unequaled idiot. His endorsement on vegetarianism is the kiss of death for health food stores. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:58:48 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Omnivore Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: John Subject: Celebrating meat! Message: Sheesh, I'm married to a vegetarian, too! My daughter at least will eat poultry. I do all the cooking, so I have to make two entrees. Well, the wife is less vegetarian now, she will eat fish. I love meat and have no problem with it. It is good! Old Yahweh loves the smell of a good steak, and so do I. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 02:27:47 (EDT)
From: a not ex premie Email: None To: John Subject: Celebrating meat! Message: dear john, I have just discovered this website and am truly enjoying the repartee- all of it- the good, the bad and the ugly, amd just feeling so connected to all you guys out there grousing away about the cult years- I guess we all shared so much and we can look back and grouse about it, but jesus it was rich. I swear. You know, I kept my distance for a number of years, couldn't stomach what went on from 85 to 95. Felt the awakening of how I had become disempowered- but then I realized ˆhad always been disempowered, so I went to a 4 year healing science school and got empowered- so we cant blame GMJ for all that. I'm all for taking responsibility and acknowledging all the richness- now I go see him once in awhile and just soak up what's real- the energy - the vibration of genuine love and peace that tangibly fills the room when people gather with an inner focus. And what makes it real is that I do sit and practice- not in any rigid way- but as I am inspired, and I really do get alot out of it- after all its me. But I just started out to say how great it feels to read evryone's stuff no matter what it is- just that we all went through it together, and came out the other side, with a very unique perspective. There is alot to treasure in spite of all the bs. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:05:37 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: a not ex premie Subject: Discrimination Message: Dear ANEP, I guess there's no point going to a 'healing science' school for four years if you're not going to be positive, huh? Positive about anything and everything. How empowering. Anep, would you say the same thing about the vibration of genuine love and peace that tangibly fills the room when people gather with an inner focus at the K session where Mahatma Ji left the room for a nap (really to screw some sister) and left a mere mortal to squeeze peoples' eyes? I think the room still had lots of 'richness' as you say. I guess what bugs me is your superficial take on it all. 'Jesus, it sure was rich' could be said by any Heaven's Gater or a Jonestown survivor. What about the 'truth', Anep? Don't you care to know what's really going on? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:55:24 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: I was also a vegetarian before I received knowledge. Actually, when I was in college, I was president of an organization called 'the vegetarian cooks' which organized vegetarian meals for all the vegetarian boarding students at the university. We convinced the school to serve vegetarian meals we planned in certain cafeterias. Anyhow, I remained a vegetarian after I left the cult. Not because I thought meat was bad, I just had no taste for it. It didn't look good to me and so I didn't eat it. I became a long distance runner, and so carbos were my thing. I was always too thin, however, very lean. BUT in the past five months I've been working with a personal trainer three days a week (I know, but it works, so don't knock it!)and he has gotten me to eat eggs (lots of eggs), fish, and tons of cottage cheese (tons of tuna fish). I've gained 20 pounds in the past 5 months and I feel great. I weigh more than I have ever weighed in my life. Had to buy new dress shirts. I guess I was tired of being a skinny vegetarian! I still am not into meat, however. It's because I suck and don't lick, I think, or is it the other way around. Maharaji, can you explain that again?. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 02:25:27 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Food Fights Message: Good evening. As a premie, my husband convinced me to become a vegan for 7 years (through three pregnancies). He said Maharaji referred to honey as bee spit, so we couldn't have that either. And after the satsang about eggless mayonnaise, life wasn't worth living. When I couldn't take it any longer, I got divorced and began eating fish and dairy products. But here's the sad part: I cannot stand cooking anymore because my husband, two sons, and one daughter are omnivores. I still can't bring myself to cook red meat or pork. And they aren't all willing to eat the same type of meat anyway. My other son is a lacto vegetarian and my teenaged goth daughter is a vegan who drinks Pepsi. To feed them all is an impossible task. We've taken to fending for ourselves which doesn't lend itself to family bonding but at least we have less food fights. Regarding health during my premie years, I was in my late teens and most of my 20's, so I had youth on my side. Got a bad back which was resolved when I started working out consistently. After leaving Maharaji, I had long periods of depression and anxiety which I believe I had repressed with meditation. I can't blame my mental illness on Maharaji--I was nuts to begin with. As with any drug that stops working after awhile, meditation stopped working to keep the black dog away from me. It took another 10 years for me to stop thinking that I would be okay if only I were truly dedicated. I've said this before: Seeing Maharaji was my drug of choice for many years, and I went up and down emotionally with each festival. Thank you all for being here. I feel good. Tomorrow's my 42nd birthday. (I guess it's already July 10th for many of you). I plan on celebrating big time! Love to all, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:13:06 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: eb Subject: Happy Birthday eb Message: Have a great 42nd! lots of ex-premie lurve, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:24:04 (EDT)
From: RT on an egg roll. Email: off line, it's Friday! To: eb on her B'DAY. Subject: Happy Birthday eb! Message: Happy, Happy Birthday ‘eb Tho’ your web initials are 2 You’re wiser in years from living... Through the Black Hole of Guru. Happy, Happy Birthday ‘eb Celebrate and have a time Light the fireplace and throw in All those And it is Divine. Happy, Happy Birthday ‘eb Your comments are always cool Together, Our New Hobby is - Deconstructing SadGuru. Happy Birthday ‘eb’! from RT, a fellow Moonchild. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:51:25 (EDT)
From: selena Email: None To: eb Subject: eb's birthday Message: Have a wonderful b'day eb! I am glad you are feeling good and it's been wonderful having you here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 21:24:07 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: eb Subject: eb's birthday wish Message: I made a wish fer ya and blew out two candles. Did ya feel the shackles drop off yer ankles? The other wish I made fer is a surprise. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:36:14 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism,JW Message: Dear JW, I think you suck if you don't eat meat! Sorry I just had to. I only eat meat rarely myself. :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:00:50 (EDT)
From: Richard Email: None To: Jim Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: Hey Jim, your post is really weird. Let me start again, the contents of your post are really weird 'cos it's an exact parallel of my dietary history, including the burfee. Mata Ji once gave me a 2lb box of the stuff for a long car journey and I scarfed the lot. Felt sick for about....still do. I have always felt that vegetarianism was somehow non-negotiable, not that I care a great deal about animals n' stuff but I figured that to go back to a meat diet after 27 years would be hell for the digestion. Anyone know about this? Anyway, recently I have been concerned (my doc too) about my weight/energy/stamina (55 kilos/none/little) and am thinking about getting more protein into my system. Any comments would be much appreciated. Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:31:25 (EDT)
From: John Email: None To: Richard Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: Actually, my tongue in cheek post above celebrating meat does not address the problem with subjecting the tummy to meat after all those years of non-meat. You see, when I left the 'shram I wanted to submerge myself in 'the world' and throroughly cleanse myself of all things cultish, spiritual, religious, new age-ish, absurd-dish (like tofu!), etc. So, I went on down to the local philly steak house and had a great old time eating big steak sandwiches with plenty of mayo. Sure, my tummy felt like it was trying to digest a rotten animal for a few days, but hey! It got used to it! Those tummy digestive juice are STRONG! And actually, now, I have become a very selective meat eater. I DONT eat red meat. ...try starting out with chicken soup. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:45:13 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Richard Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: Hi Richard, This worries me. 55kg is not much but how tall are you? I went back to eating meat years ago without any digestive problems. Currently we have meat (usually fish sometimes fowl and occasionally red) 2 or 3 times a week. This works out to be about 10% of all meals. I would think most people could handle that and do feel it is beneficial. Good luck. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 00:38:11 (EDT)
From: RT Email: mmmm mm good To: Richard Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: Hi Richard, try this smoothie, vegan, The Ultimate Meal 1-800 THE MEAL. I met the owner at health fair...said he was approached by 3 MLM co's that wanted to market his one pound of superfine organic vegan ingredients. He say no, as the price would triple to $150 a lb. It sells for $40. You blend it with a banana and apple juice or rice milk or almond milk, mmm good. Allows you to skip B'fast for 2-3 hours. Call and chat. A good product, now in it's 10th evolution. Ask for brochure. RT. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 12:21:03 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: RT Subject: Vestigal Vegetarianism Message: I've never tried the Ultimate Meal, but I have a friend who swears by it, for drinking before heavy workouts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 19:50:09 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Richard Subject: Sorry, Richard, didn't notice Message: your post to me. I'm not planning on eating meat anytime soon (not unless it's wearing a Mala), but I have found that protein seems to have been lacking in my diet as well. I'm currently slowly losing weight on a low carb diet, eating lots of nuts, tofu and cheese. That's it. That's all I know. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:34:21 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: TD Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: TD in the new age metaphysical health teachings eg Lousie Hay 'You Can Heal Your Life' - they talk about physical illness often as being the result of long-term blockages which are held in the emotional, mental, and ultimately physical body if they perpetuate. So the idea is to do a lot of releasing. A lot of healing is letting go and not being afraid that there will be new life, new thoughts, new feelings to replace the old 'blocking' ones. Humility - the old getting down on the knees and asking to be helped - is a good way because in one sense it is a total let go. If you believe that the universe is not a vacuum but a living cosmos of intelligent design, than that life force will bring healing energies to your life. I believe love is the great healer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 01:11:46 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Judex Subject: Health issues and M & K Message: Judex, Yeah I agree with you. I've always loved the simple explanation that disease in the body is caused by our dis-ease with ourselves! TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 08:27:18 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: TD Subject: health issues & healing Message: Thanks TD. I was too busy to read the whole thread when I posted that so it does look out of context with the general theme of the thread. But I suppose I believe that wellness is usually what lies underneath all the accumulated hurts of our life. Or it's a message to rest & reflect when we are not listening to our selves. Other illnesses may not relate to this and may be non 'curable'. But I believe in keeping on trying - trying different ways. It took me four whole struggling years to kick marijhuana for good and three years of being in a 12 step program before I left that. It was hard work but now I am drug free and free of that dis-ease, thank god. For anyone interested, that Louise Hay book I mentioned is worth a look. There is an index with suggestions about various beliefs/thought patterns which can contribtue to dis-ease. I first read this book when I was initiated into Reiki. Take what you need and leave the rest, as they say. Some of this stuff may be helpful to get a clue about the possible cause of the illness. What I meant to say eariler about taking Homeopathics (can't say enough for them) was that lots of stuff was going badly for me - e.g. in my career, but I had no feelings. The homeopathics brought out a lot of feelings I didn't know I was harbouring. I just felt numb, dumb, abused by others and very fragile. I was right into knowledge and also trying to propogate. People were actually very kind to me, in retrospect.The world really is a good place, I now believe. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 11:53:43 (EDT)
From: bftb Email: None To: Judex Subject: kind of off topic Message: Hello Judex, I know someone who's currently trying to 'kick' marijauna.I must say that I always thought of marijauna as relatively benign but this guy describes withdrawal symptoms(Severe insomnia,agitation/anxiety,normal sensory input becoming overwhelming...and all kinds of other symptoms that I'm forgetting at this moment))that have made me begin to rethink this 'non-addictive recreational drug'.He claims that he's tried to quit many times over the last 20 years but that it never lasts for more then 6 months or so and he inevitably falls back into the pattern of being an all day toker. From your experience;do you have any advice that I can relay or web or other resources that I can point him to?Did you experience withdrawal symptoms?Why was it so hard to stop? Any insights you have into the nature of this particular addiction would be appreciated. Thanks Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 13:17:12 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: bftb Subject: kind of off topic Message: A friend of mine saw a program about a chinese monastery where monks help drug addicts to detox. When asked the most difficult drug to kick they said Marijhuana. I believe it. Heroin withdrawal lasts about 3 days. Marijhuana withdrawal can last up to a year because it is stored in the fat cells. Cravings can come on really strongly months down the track. It is basically an anti-anxiety drug. It also contributes to paranoia and really badly affects the short term memory and damages the brain. It actually shrinks the brain over time, you can tell your friend. The best way I found was to go to Narcotics Anonymous meetings, unless there is an 'M.A.' in your friend's town (if they exist). I found I related to them better than alcoholics. They are usually more the same age bracket too. Don't discount the seriousness of your friend's predicament, especially to him. He may need to spend some time in a rehab. I would take that up if he can afford to go. The 'First Step' is the hardest, admitting he can't control his addiction. Sounds like he is there now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 14:09:07 (EDT)
From: bftb Email: None To: Judex Subject: kind of off topic Message: Shrinks the brain?Wow!I've never heard that one before.Where's the evidence for that? Thanks for your response.I figured by m.a. you must have meant marijauna anonymous so I did a search and guess what:They've got a web site at marijuana anonymous.org. I guess the reality of this problem is bigger then I'd thought. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Also,re your post above.There's a guy on the radio in N.A. named Art Bell and he's written a book called 'The Quickening' which very much concerns the feelings that you describe yourself as having.His radio shows are pretty much all archived at his web site and you can search the topics and find shows where the quickening is discussed and play them back udsing real audio.I haven't visited his site in quite awhile but I wouldn't be surprised if there were written articles there about this 'quickening' that he perceives. as for myself I really don't know about all this stuff but I find it fun.The fringes are where the real entertainment is,know what I mean? And who knows;maybe it's all real but in the meantime what I do know for sure is that he sells a lot of books. I think it's at www.artbell.com but I could be wrong.A search will find him for you in a second in any case.Also;if you go to www.trufax.org you'll find a link to his site there. Have fun. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 06:13:33 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: bftb Subject: marijhuana addiction: to bftb Message: Shrinks the brain?Wow!I've never heard that one before.Where's the evidence for that? I was referring to a feature article I read in Time magazine about 8 years ago. Any drug information agency will be able to give recent findings I'm sure. The trouble with this drug is there were little facts available, when I needed them. But don't believe any crap about 'soft' and 'hard' drugs. Accompany him to a 'hospital' or 'newcomers' meeting and see if he can identify with any of the recovering addicts who share at these meetings. Also, if he doesn't relate to that I believe some doctors are using anti-depressants to help treat people coming off drugs. That's another possibility. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 14:01:41 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Judex Subject: Louise Hay is full of shit Message: I just picked up this thread and realized someone, in this case Judex, was extolling the virtues of yet another con artist, Louise Hay. Now there's a woman who has made a fortune exploiting desparate new agers. No, she's a complete and utter charlatan. Ask her how many people she's cured of AIDs recently. That should get the conversation rolling. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 19:38:53 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jim is full of shit Message: Whatever works Jim. Whatever works. I don't get much out of Louise Hay, but maybe, just maybe she did heal herself of cancer through affirmations. How the fuck do you know? Who the fuck are you to say she didn't? God forbid you don't get cancer. My healing of cancer is happening through alternative means. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 19:56:12 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Jim is full of shit Message: Meant to say: God forbid you get cancer. I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. However Jim, I still say you are full of shit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 19:51:36 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Louise Hay is full of shit Message: I just picked up this thread and realized someone, in this case Judex, was extolling the virtues of yet another con artist, Louise Hay. Is there no one you like? Actually, I'm using this post to respond to your trashing of Krishnamurti. Personally, I find him as boring as you do. My earlier post about him was just a respose to things people were writing about Ramtha (whoever that is and I really don't want to know). I still do respect Krisnamurti's stepping down, though. When it comes to inspired authors, my current favorite is Dave Barry. I'm reading his 'Complete Guide To Guys' which covers interesting guy topics such as scratching and why guys cannot simultaneously think and look at breasts. This is really about as deep as I can go when it comes to inspired reading. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 21:39:26 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Louise Hay is full of shit Message: Is there no one you like? Actually, I'm using this post to respond to your trashing of Krishnamurti. Personally, I find him as boring as you do. My earlier post about him was just a respose to things people were writing about Ramtha (whoever that is and I really don't want to know). I still do respect Krisnamurti's stepping down, though. When it comes to inspired authors, my current favorite is Dave Barry. I'm reading his 'Complete Guide To Guys' which covers interesting guy topics such as scratching and why guys cannot simultaneously think and look at breasts. This is really about as deep as I can go when it comes to inspired reading. Jerry, Well I like YOU. No, really I like a whole lot of people. I just don't have much time for new age childishness or spiritual hucksterism. I think we see eye to eye on Krishnamurti and I, too, use him as an example of someone who had the basic integrity to step down from the pedestal of divinity. Unfortunately for him he quickly built another, the pedestal of the 'Great Man of Honesty Who Stepped Down From the Other Pedestal Over There.' Wonder why he never saw that? I think it's because he continued to surround himself with sycophants. Louise Hay really gets my goat too. Here's a woman who actually lies about curing people from AIDS. She claims she's done so yet when I called her centre in L.A. they were stuck to give a single example. Now why does she do that? I don't know, you'd have to ask her. I do know that she sells a lot of books. Hmm. Ramtha? You're right. You don't want to know. See, it's only here, where all of us were at one point new agers and some of us still are, that I look like a curmudgeon. Personally, I think Dave Barry's wrong too. I've often found myself thinking all sorts of things looking at breasts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 22:17:34 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Guy to guy Message: Well I like YOU At the risk of not sounding like a real guy, I kinda like YOU too, Jim, along with so many other of the exes that post at this site. Can you say breath of fresh air? By the way, that post about the gimp in the basement had me ROTFL. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:37:34 (EDT)
From: x Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Divine Molesters Message: I feel compelled to start a new thread, to elaborate on some of the lower postings. It's interesting how nearly every day there are new developments here. New information, more pieces to the puzzle, more wavering premies asking for advice, more hard to follow, circularly logical posts from die hard premies, KK's fascinating revelations, etc. I was really disturbed by the child molestation stories about Jugdeo, and all the sexual harrasment in general that has been brought up recently. I was a young child, in the 'scene', who now in retrospect, considers himself lucky that none of these pereverts managed to get ahold of me. Sexual predators are the lowest, bar none. I guess bm was too busy trying to keep up with the Onassis' to worry about the children of his faithful. The fact that innocent people were raped or molested by bm's mahatmas is totally unacceptable. How dare he duck from the responsibility of damaging so many lives. He is responsible for his mahatmas actions ultimately. I beleive he was aware of what they were doing. They acted under his authority. This is getting more sordid every day! IMHO, x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:01:44 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: x Subject: Divine Molesters Message: Dear x, The child molestation stories were one of the things that bothered me the most when I found this web site. I am really lucky that my sister and her friends (ages 13 and 14 when they received K) were never subjected to any of it. I asked my sis and her friends about it after I read G's mom's story and so on, and they were absolutely shocked - I don't think they would have remained premies at the time if they had known what was going on. You're right, you are very lucky too. And you're also probably right that there is no way Big M could have NOT known about this, especially since it went on for so many years. Anyway, he handled it about like the Catholic Church did (or maybe still does): transfers and cover-ups. This just put more kids in danger - and I hope it's not still going on. Regards from Katie P.S. I want to thank G's mom for telling her story in the archives. That's when I first became aware of this problem. It was a really brave thing to do, and she got some very negative comments from premies, so I want to tell her that I appreciate her courage in coming forward. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:53:28 (EDT)
From: x Email: None To: Katie Subject: Divine Molesters Message: Katie, I wonder why there are so many sickos lurking around religions? I guess it's just such a perfect place to find victims and intimidate them. In my town there was a big scandal involving several catholic priests, who did as they pleased with all the little boys in their care at some seminary or something. It seems like I've read so many similar stories about this from towns all over the country.Anyway I'm sure this has been covered here already, ad nauseum. I really need to get around to accessing the archives, so I can get up to speed here! I'm spending too much time with this already maybe, maybe not. Now I'm really rambling, I'd better just stop now, while I'm ahead. Take Care, x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:05:43 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: x Subject: Sickos... Message: It seems to me to be a case of the 3 M's, which is used by remote indigenous communities in Oz/PNG etc to refer to the kind of white people who end up in their communities: Missionaries, Mercenaries and Misfits. I reckon a lot of those around M would fit into one of these three categories! Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 11, 1998 at 08:36:08 (EDT)
From: Judex Email: None To: x Subject: Divine Molesters Message: I know what you mean, x. It's intriguing when someone mentions something in the archives but specific stuff is hard to find I think unless you know the name of the post and the date! I am hoping that some of the 'highlights' or 'selected themes' posts will be able to be assembled on this site one day. eg: an RT section - humour or whatever and also specific topics like this one. I had no idea about the sexual abuse either. Thanks for bringing it up, guys. It is helping even more to say bye bye, fuck you very much (sorry but it makes me very angry). I actually feel like kicking a punching bag and I never feel very physical! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:06:49 (EDT)
From: G's mom Email: None To: Katie Subject: Divine Molesters Message: I really appreciate your comments above. I did feel a lot of conflict about telling the story at the time. But I still have no idea if he is out there in some community somewhere. I guess with the story out in the open parents could potentially have a chance to protect their kids from him. My conflict mostly arose from how telling the story identified me. I told the story to an initiator friend who said he would tell Rawat. I later told ANOTHER initiator I hardly knew just in case the message had not made it through. She told me that yes Rawat had been told in 1977-78 by the first initiator. I am not naming them because they both believed me and I felt tried to help. I am grateful for that. I just wished it had helped more. My impression is like most pedophiles he preyed most on the kids he found most vulnerable. I was older and I had a non premie mom and a nutty but attorney stepfather premie. I think that is why what happened to me was limited to groping and fondling. Also because after I got home and thought about it I decided that no matter how pure Mahatma Ji was he probably was aware you weren't supposed to grab girls buttocks and breasts. When I shared this with my friend who had been grabbed plenty the same day she told me what had happened to her when she was 12. And she told me many premie kids had labeled him 'nasty'. The other kids I am aware of all had premie parents who were thrilled Mahatma Ji was spending time with the kids. My friend shared with me her great conflict at the time. All the premies thought she was so pure and special that Mahatma Ji spent all this time alone with her. Only she knew why he really did. And it made her feel very guilty that she enjoyed her special status. That part is so sad. A recipe to screw a person up. I see it as somewhat akin to the coach or scout leader who preys on the kid who has the alchoholc dad or no dad at all, he was aware which kids were most vulnerable and defenseless I think. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:24:10 (EDT)
From: G's mom Email: None To: x and TDand katie Subject: sickos Message: I agree that the similarities to the Catholic Church are amazing. I know Jagdeo used to speak of a family, and a daughter, he left to be Mahatma Ji. I would not be suprised at all if in leaving them he was escaping justice for something similar he had perpetrated in India. But that is pure speculation. But like Priests he was in a position in which people would not question his motives. He was never in one place very long. He had a perfect set up. I don't blame Rawat for not knowing the guy was a pervert. I blame him for letting him still travel the country after he knew he was. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:31:55 (EDT)
From: G's mom Email: None To: all Subject: more Message: I remember too seeing Jagdeo in that line of people standing there either before or after you go into the darshan line. I remember refusing to look at him and him trying to catch my eye. What I DON'T remember is questioning why Rawat would keep him there after he knew what kind of person he was. I truly believed that there must be some sort of alert out or that someone was with him at all times watching him. I did not think it my place to decide how GMJ would punish him. What an idiot the Divine Light will make you into. It never occured to me that maybe Rawat had done NOTHING about it until well after I had left. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:07:15 (EDT)
From: pam Email: None To: G's mom Subject: original posts Message: G's mom, this is all news to me. Where are your original posts where you tell your story? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:45:04 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: pam Subject: original posts Message: Hi Pam - The original posts are in the oldest archives on the site (I believe they are numbered 1 thru 10 or 1 thru 15 or something). I have a post that G's mom has kindly written out for you. If you'd feel comfortable e-mailing me, I'll send it to you (she needs to remain anon). The incidents, and the whole issue, are hard things to discuss at length on the forum if you were personally involved - I hope you can understand that. Regards from Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 22:34:21 (EDT)
From: pam Email: None To: Katie Subject: original posts Message: katie, I'd appreciate a copy of that, but I don't know your e-mail address. Also, what is the stuff about Pardarthanand? I know him well and this is a shock. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |