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Forum III Archive # 23 | |
From: Aug 26, 1998 |
To: Sep 22, 1998 |
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VP -:- To Keith -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:30:33 (EDT) __Selene -:- wasn't there -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 23:53:34 (EDT) __keith -:- M's bathrooms -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 02:01:47 (EDT) ____TD -:- I vote for the jokes... -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 06:14:46 (EDT) ______Selene -:- Be careful what you ask for TD -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:52:10 (EDT) ________TD -:- I think I can hack it, Selene! -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 21:25:57 (EDT) ____Diz -:- privelege -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 23:57:53 (EDT) ______Judith -:- privelege -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 01:00:28 (EDT) ________Diz -:- privelege -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 01:21:05 (EDT) ______Keith -:- Attention David -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 02:18:46 (EDT) ________Keith -:- the other forum -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 02:26:11 (EDT) __________Sir David -:- the other forum -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 07:19:03 (EDT) ____VP -:- M's bathrooms -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 12:07:45 (EDT) ______Keith -:- M's bathrooms -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 18:49:59 (EDT) ________VP -:- M's bathrooms -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:19:28 (EDT) __________Keith -:- M's jokes -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 22:51:57 (EDT) __Juan -:- To Keith -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 07:33:48 (EDT) ____Keith -:- Hello Juan -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 18:59:52 (EDT) SaharaRose -:- Thankyou -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 21:44:41 (EDT) __Rick -:- Thankyou -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:09:17 (EDT) ____Selene -:- Thankyou -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:29:24 (EDT) ______Robyn -:- LOL -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 01:20:07 (EDT) __Jim -:- Thankyou -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:25:47 (EDT) TD -:- The Premie Character -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 20:47:06 (EDT) __Rick -:- The Premie Character -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 16:12:15 (EDT) ____TD -:- The Premie Character -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 18:20:36 (EDT) ______Mel Bourne -:- Premie relationships -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 02:56:12 (EDT) ________TD -:- Premie relationships -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 06:07:55 (EDT) __________Rick -:- Premie relationships -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 10:41:48 (EDT) ____________TD -:- Premie relationships -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:56:22 (EDT) ______________Judith -:- to TD -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 00:44:01 (EDT) ____________Judith -:- Premie relationships -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 00:47:47 (EDT) __________Passing thru -:- Rudeness -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 10:54:17 (EDT) ____________Rick -:- Rudeness -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 11:27:12 (EDT) ______________VP -:- Rudeness -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 21:11:22 (EDT) ________________Passing thru -:- Exactly VP -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:30:11 (EDT) __________________JW -:- Once Again, You Spin -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 13:29:55 (EDT) ____________________Passing thru -:- Free choice JW -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 20:46:16 (EDT) ______________________JW -:- Free choice JW -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 20:57:18 (EDT) ________________________Rick -:- Free choice JW -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 22:19:07 (EDT) ______________________bill -:- Free choice JW -:- Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 10:57:51 (EDT) ____________________Mike -:- and spin and spin and spin. -:- Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:24:28 (EDT) ______________Passing thru -:- Simple enough -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:22:28 (EDT) ________________TD -:- Simplistic premies -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 07:02:14 (EDT) __________________Passing thru -:- No he didn't TD -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 20:55:56 (EDT) ____________________TD -:- Oh YES he did PT! -:- Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 04:00:27 (EDT) ______________________Passing thru -:- It's an example TD -:- Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 06:25:56 (EDT) ________________________KK -:- Semantic drivel -:- Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 08:02:41 (EDT) ________________________Pajama man -:- It's an example TD -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:32:03 (EDT) ____________________Mike -:- No he didn't TD -:- Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:13:34 (EDT) ______________________Mike -:- I should have changed... -:- Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:34:02 (EDT) ________________Rick -:- Simple enough -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 10:26:36 (EDT) __________________Passing thru -:- Neither Rick -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 21:07:57 (EDT) ________________Peter -:- I declare my devotion to... -:- Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 20:19:52 (EDT) __________________Mickey the Pharisee -:- I declare my devotion to... -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 01:45:18 (EDT) ____________________Pajama Man -:- I declare my devotion to... -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:35:58 (EDT) __________________Passing thru -:- I'm ready -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 06:48:33 (EDT) ____________________Peter -:- minimum standards for devotion -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:20:44 (EDT) ________Selene -:- Premie relationships -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 15:00:41 (EDT) ________Diz -:- Premie relationships -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:18:11 (EDT) __Selene -:- The Premie Character -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:57:01 (EDT) ____TD -:- The Premie Character -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:26:42 (EDT) Mike -:- Did anyone notice? -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:52:39 (EDT) __Selene -:- Did anyone notice? -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:58:22 (EDT) ____Juan -:- Did anyone notice? -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 07:57:21 (EDT) Finally Gain some -:- old Indian Wisdom ! -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 05:47:36 (EDT) __VP -:- old Indian Wisdom ! -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:36:48 (EDT) ____Selene -:- old Indian Wisdom ! -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:44:41 (EDT) ______Jean-Michel -:- old Indian Wisdom ! -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 17:39:53 (EDT) ____Jean-Michel -:- Please give me more! -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 17:54:03 (EDT) ______Gail -:- How about these ones . . . . -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 20:58:14 (EDT) ________Jean-Michel -:- Hey Gail ! -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 03:25:23 (EDT) __________Judith -:- Hey Gail ! - to Jean-Mich -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 07:27:17 (EDT) __________Gail -:- Hey Gail ! -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 13:31:13 (EDT) ______CD -:- Please give me more! -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:38:40 (EDT) ________Jean-Michel -:- Hey CD: -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 03:29:54 (EDT) __________VP -:- Hey CD: -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 13:52:55 (EDT) ____________Judith -:- Hey CD: - to VP -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 20:13:46 (EDT) ______________VP -:- Hey Judith-mangoes -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:23:08 (EDT) ________________CD -:- Hey Judith-mangoes -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 19:21:26 (EDT) ________________Judith -:- Hey Judith-mangoes -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 19:55:01 (EDT) __________________VP -:- Favorite Van Gogh facts -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:44:19 (EDT) ________________Jean-Michel -:- Hey Judith-mangoes etc -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 23:54:47 (EDT) __________________VP -:- Thanks to you, JM... -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 14:46:29 (EDT) ______________Mike -:- to Judith: -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 17:33:26 (EDT) __TD -:- And let's not forget... -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 21:54:17 (EDT) SaharaRose -:- A Question -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 23:21:57 (EDT) __Nigel -:- Don't be captivated... -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 23:30:42 (EDT) __Mickey the Pharisee -:- A Question -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 23:58:08 (EDT) __Selene -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 00:28:28 (EDT) __eb -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 02:02:52 (EDT) ____TD -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 02:30:05 (EDT) ______Sir David -:- Michael Jackson -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 07:33:19 (EDT) ________Gail -:- Michael Jackson -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 21:33:15 (EDT) __Jim -:- Sincerity -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 08:09:10 (EDT) ____Mike -:- Did you write? -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 10:55:55 (EDT) ______Mike -:- A correction.. -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:03:09 (EDT) ________Jim -:- A correction.. -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:11:11 (EDT) __________Mike -:- Bummer... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:32:04 (EDT) __Bobby -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 08:27:49 (EDT) __Diz -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 09:05:07 (EDT) ____Jerry -:- Good recommendation -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:01:46 (EDT) ____Cosmon -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:10:20 (EDT) __Mike -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:02:10 (EDT) ____Carol -:- A Question -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 22:19:25 (EDT) __Jean-Michel -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 12:17:12 (EDT) __Rick -:- Wrong Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:26:56 (EDT) ____VP -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:04:53 (EDT) ____Selene -:- Wrong Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 17:48:51 (EDT) ____Judith -:- Wrong Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 22:11:30 (EDT) __JW -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:55:33 (EDT) ____Cosmon -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:26:36 (EDT) ______Selene -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:36:59 (EDT) ______Jim -:- Think, Cosmon -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:44:23 (EDT) ______Mike -:- My answer, anyway -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 19:19:37 (EDT) ________Cosmon -:- My answer, anyway -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 19:41:10 (EDT) __________Jim -:- My answer, anyway -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 22:19:06 (EDT) ______Rick -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 19:37:16 (EDT) ______Judith -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 23:38:31 (EDT) ________Jesus -:- If Cosmon isn't Keith... -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 12:40:21 (EDT) __________Jerry -:- If Cosmon isn't Keith... -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 08:27:15 (EDT) ______Diz -:- My answer re motivation -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 17:59:16 (EDT) __CD -:- A Question -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 23:52:44 (EDT) ____Jim -:- A Question -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:07:02 (EDT) ______Jim -:- What's so bad about that -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:21:40 (EDT) ______CD -:- A Question -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:22:08 (EDT) ________Rick -:- If 6 turned out to be 9...nt -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:36:40 (EDT) ________Jim -:- I feel good! -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 01:04:47 (EDT) __________Jim -:- Read this, not that -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 01:08:04 (EDT) ____________CD -:- clever -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 01:52:26 (EDT) ______________Gail -:- Clever is as clever does! -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 14:01:20 (EDT) ________________x -:- CD, Why are you here? -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:19:08 (EDT) __________________CD -:- X is a mystery -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 00:46:13 (EDT) __________________Selene -:- At least you got an answer -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:18:27 (EDT) ______________Jim -:- clever -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:19:38 (EDT) ________________Mike -:- A small addition -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 13:26:27 (EDT) __________________Mike -:- grammar -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 13:33:15 (EDT) __________________CD -:- scientific answers -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 16:53:00 (EDT) ____________________x -:- scientific answers -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:47:04 (EDT) ____________________Nigel -:- Incomprehensible bullshit -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 21:09:23 (EDT) ______________________Jim -:- 3ofmev09rjvbmfkdmdv -:- Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 22:00:47 (EDT) ________________________Mike -:- 3ofmev09rjvbmfkdmdv -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 11:39:11 (EDT) Mickey the Pharisee -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 18:41:25 (EDT) __Mike -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:00:17 (EDT) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:07:10 (EDT) ______Mike -:- Miragie -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:15:12 (EDT) ______Jerry -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:38:15 (EDT) ________Mike -:- Sushi -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 16:58:13 (EDT) __________Jerry -:- Sushi -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 21:25:06 (EDT) __Jerry -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:00:49 (EDT) __eb -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:09:23 (EDT) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- Hey Kids!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:14:46 (EDT) ______the photo-lady -:- Oh no, -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:20:46 (EDT) ________x -:- great prank -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 22:48:45 (EDT) __________g's mom -:- well YOU would know.... -:- Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 22:53:32 (EDT) ____________eb -:- well YOU would know.... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 01:04:35 (EDT) __________Selene -:- great prank -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 00:33:32 (EDT) ____________TD -:- Messing with my head.... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 02:05:54 (EDT) ______________Mike -:- Don't be so serious -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:19:46 (EDT) ________________I think Rick -:- made it up... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:32:03 (EDT) __________________Mike -:- made it up... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:36:09 (EDT) __________________Rick -:- made it up... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 15:57:12 (EDT) ____________________Selene -:- made it up... -:- Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 16:50:23 (EDT) ______________________VP -:- made it up... -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 14:59:09 (EDT) ________________________Mike -:- didn't make THIS up.... -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 11:36:11 (EDT) __________________________VP -:- HILARIOUS! -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:31:44 (EDT) ____________________________Mike -:- HILARIOUS! -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:46:38 (EDT) ______________________________Selene -:- HILARIOUS! -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 17:05:24 (EDT) ________________________________Mike -:- Now that's... -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 17:24:13 (EDT) __________________________________VP -:- Now that's... -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:56:51 (EDT) ____________________________________Selene -:- Now that's... -:- Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 23:12:59 (EDT) ____________________________________Mike -:- No sex... -:- Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 11:05:37 (EDT) ____________________VP -:- A faux pas -:- Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:04:52 (EDT) __Katie -:- What Really Happened in CA... -:- Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 22:42:06 (EDT) ____Rick -:- What Really Happened in CA... -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 01:41:25 (EDT) ______Katie -:- What Really Happened in CA... -:- Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 02:38:43 (EDT) |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:30:33 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Everyone Subject: To Keith Message: Keith, I have been enjoying reading your accounts of Amaroo on the premie forum. I do not participate there, but would like to ask your opinion about two things you mentioned at that event. I read that you wouldn't be posting here anymore, but hope that you make an exception and tell me your opinion. I found a few facts that you mentioned puzzling. I would like to ask you about them, if I may. First of all, you said that Maharaji told some jokes which showed you another side of him. Would you mind giving an example of one, or at least telling me what kind of jokes you perceived these to be? Also, why do you think that they edited these out of the video? Anyone else who was there, feel free to give your take as well. The second thing I wanted to ask you about was that I read that V.I.P.s had special bathrooms. I don't really understand this. Why isn't each person there worthy of the same nice bathrooms? I hope you don't mind me bringing up these questions here. I am NOT ridiculing what you wrote at all. I was just a little confused about these two points. I am not a premie or a friend of Maharaji, so I am not going to post on the other forum. Also I don't want my server posted and that is an automatic there. Thanks and I hope you answer. Sincerely VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 23:53:34 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: VP Subject: wasn't there Message: VP The bathroom thing is standard. Those doing ' stage duty' are priviledged because the show must go on and stage hands must be able to use the john. Been at stage duty done that.... RE: editing, I saw this first hand at LB He said ' We aren't having sex here' in reference to someone asking him for an 'all night long' event and when I heard the tape of that night, those words were edited out. I forwarded the casettes and videos on to you all: Makes you wonder what else has been edited, no???? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 02:01:47 (EDT)
From: keith Email: None To: VP Subject: M's bathrooms Message: Vp, I shall respond to your queries but in future I would prefer if you communicate with me on the other forum. Selene has partly answered the question about the bathrooms . actually the V.I.P bathrooms were reserved for guests who paid for de-lux on-site tents . And yes the bathrooms and the meal tents (as well as seating arrangements ) were allocated according to finacial contributions or other privaleged status. You said, ' Also, why do you think that they edited these out of the video? ' I can only have a guess about this . I think that Maharaji or his minders choose to protect his more public image . I could e-mail you some of these jokes if you want . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 06:14:46 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: keith Subject: I vote for the jokes... Message: I could e-mail you some of these jokes if you want . Nah, post 'em here!! I've only just rediscovered my sense of humour, so would appreciate a couple more LOTU laughs... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:52:10 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: TD Subject: Be careful what you ask for TD Message: I remember the audience response when M gave that we aren't having sex here joke. Hope you have a strong stomach, that's all I can say! The audience was enthralled. You'd think world peace had just been declared and somehow guaranteed. ick. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 21:25:57 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Selene Subject: I think I can hack it, Selene! Message: Thanks for the warning! Interesting reaction from the audience. I think it's an interesting phenomenon of satsang, that Big-M-drops-a-risque-joke-or-quote thing. It's like that repressed personality thing I'm talking about on the 'premie character' thread. It's like we respond automatically to that 'human-like' aspect in him - the un-Masterly type, the funny normal person - the same as you would to any other speaker who says a witty thing. Re: ability to handle it: I think, as part of the ex-premie initiation process, we must biologically develop iron-gut stomachs which is nature's way of allowing us to cope with all the gaggy details about the Big M that seem to get revealed on this web-site.... Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 23:57:53 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: Keith, VP Subject: privelege Message: I remember once being told that seats at a program were allocated on the basis of the amount of donations people had made. People who had given over a certain amount got to sit near the front. At the time I was far from rich (due, to large part, to involvement with GMJ in various forms). Being a premie who longed to get near to my Lord, I was horrified to hear that I could have done so if I could have afforded it!! Certainly adds fuel to the argument that MJ is driven by a desire to make money! Well, now I don't care. They can sit where they like - good luck to them - just stay away from me!! So much for it all being 'about' love! Diz Hi Keith How come you don't/didn't use the MMT forum? (I don't know if it's still there, now, its free time was running out and no-one much was using it.) I'd have liked to discuss some stuff with you, but have similar constraints to VP in relation to the premie forum (or even more, because I'm an ex in relation to K as well as M). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 01:00:28 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: Diz Subject: privelege Message: Yeah I think this is great information and explains a lot. I noticed (in the past 5 years attending programs)that the people sitting in the front rows all looked well dressed and successful. You just couldn't help but notice. Was it also intended to give am essage to people that this was what Knowledge offered if you followed it properly? Because I know one selling point for me was the idea of 'grace' that could maybe fix your life externally as well as internally. How shallow we all really are, eh? Them sitting up the front and them sitting up the back (I speak for myself, of course). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 01:21:05 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: Judith Subject: privelege Message: Hi Judith I don't know how widespread the practice was - I only heard of it in relation to one program. In other programs, I know there was a 'barrier zone' of 'trustworthy' premies, near the front. Yes, I guess either way it was pretty shallow stuff. Not all our fault, however, I reckon. We were both encouraged to want to be as near to GMJ as possible, to want that with all our heart - and told to be satisfied with our lot - grateful to be in the hall at all. Such mental gymnastics it all took. Today, I do feel gratitude - not to have to do the gymnastics any more! Love Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 02:18:46 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: Diz and David Subject: Attention David Message: Well Diz , I feel we could discuss on the other forum. David , why not make the other forum more user friendly ? How about an invitation to the more meditatively inclined and more friendly ex-premies . Surely there are others like yourself who can take a less hostile perspective to matters related to Maharaji and Knowledge. I , like you , am not a premie nor an ex-premie . I am I . Come on ; let's have a forum for the moderates ! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 02:26:11 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: VP , TD and others Subject: the other forum Message: I would enjoy to discuss with civility and respect with you too . Why not become friends of the other forum ? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 07:19:03 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Keith Subject: the other forum Message: The thing which is not tolerated on the other forum is bad mouthing Maharaji. It is a pro Maharaji site and certainly, the messages to Maharaji do reflect that. Someone was blocked because he/she kept saying that the site wasn't pro Maharaji. Well it is. It's up to people if they want to post there but I feel that most so called ex-premies feel most comfortable posting here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 12:07:45 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: keith Subject: M's bathrooms Message: 'I shall respond to your queries but in future I would prefer if you communicate with me on the other forum.' Thanks, Keith. I was a little apprehensive about posting anything from the premie forum here. Since I figured I was just asking questions about procedures and not bringing your comments up for flaming or ridicule, I fugured it would be ok. I wouldn't do that, BTW. I really prefer not to post on the other forum, for reasons that I stated above, so thank you for answering here. I wish you would post those jokes instead of emailing them. If you want to put them on the premie site instead, that would be ok. I think you are right about why they were censored, even though I have not heard them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 18:49:59 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: VP Subject: M's bathrooms Message: Okay VP , I shall allow myself to break rank with my own past decision and talk to you on this forum . A german landlady said to me when I was in my teens , 'oh herr Simons , remember that you should never be a prisoner of your own mind '. As to Maharaji's jokes ; I do not feel inspired to re-tell them but what interests me is why they were editted out from the Amaroo videos. Amaroo was for premies and the videos are available to anyone and therefore like with other videos they were streamlined and manipulated to suit a particular projected audience . That's one possibility . The jokes were intended for premies ears only it would seem . Don't feel too frustrated if you don't get to hear these jokes (btw; others might choose to tell them ) ; they were told in context anyway ; the context of specific insights being shared. Such as , we often crave for something that is our habit to pursue even though it is unhealthy and of low quality. Or , we are often deceived by what seems to be our true motivation for doing something , when in fact our real motivation is something else ; sometimes we are driven by a need that gets played out in a habitual way even though on the surface we pretend that we are just having innocent fun. Or , that we should be on the alert for ego that puffs itself up and pretends to be all powerful ; for eventually life will humble the ego ; but do we learn this lesson ? And so on ; the contexts were what made the jokes significant . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:19:28 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Keith Subject: M's bathrooms Message: 'the contexts were what made the jokes significant .' And if they were told in the context of the tapes then they should make sense, so I guess that is why I am confused about why they edit stuff out of the tapes. And I meant to tell you earlier that I thought it was good that you used the V.I.P. bathrooms :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 22:51:57 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: VP Subject: M's jokes Message: 'And if they were told in the context of the tapes then they should make sense, so I guess that is why I am confused about why they edit stuff out of the tapes'. Thinking about this I realise that it could well have been more than just the jokes that were deleted ; I have a feeling that some comments made following the jokes were deleted too . 'And I meant to tell you earlier that I thought it was good that you used the V.I.P. bathrooms '. Well ; it was a type of symbolic act for me ; I was partly angered at the class division operating at Amaroo . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 07:33:48 (EDT)
From: Juan Email: None To: VP Subject: To Keith Message: Hello Keith, I too have noticed in the past much editing of live video events and wondered why this is done. It cannot be for reasons of time as the incidents are only minutes long. Perhaps there are some ímperfect moments? But this does not fit with the Master of Perfection. Juan Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 18:59:52 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: Juan Subject: Hello Juan Message: Read my post above to VP , Juan as a response to your post to me too. Do you know Jose , who is from Barcelona and was at Amaroo last year ? His wifes name is Paquita . If so , please tell them Keith says hello . Thankyou. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 21:44:41 (EDT)
From: SaharaRose Email: SaharaRose@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Thankyou Message: Hi everyone, I'd like to say thankyou to all of you for your responses to my post. I will have to take some time out to think all this through thoroughly. I appreciate your honesty, candour and advice. You are correct... I suppose I am a bit naive. I always believe in people, and always look for the best in everyone. But... I do not think that is a personality flaw! *smile* And Rick... I did not meet him last week, Our relationship has developed over several months. (and it's certainly NOT 'sex in the restroom'! *LOL*) It's only this last week that I have been searching the Internet for information and advice. Yes.. I have read all the info on the site... but I am also fully aware of the need to try to see through all the hurt and betrayal to try to get to see the true core of the matter. Thanks again, Sahara Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:09:17 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: Thankyou Message: My mistake, Sahara darling; I misread your post. That sort of diminishes my point about naivete. Say, how about the two of us going to a private chat room? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:29:24 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Rick Subject: Thankyou Message: Now I'm conviced. All this stuff is happening that I am not aware of. You are all meeting in chats and in person and having wild affairs! My day is coming though. 'FAmily Values' is bound to be making a rebound now that they have found a way to do it. The chat rooms will be shut down. Women will be put back in their place and be happy for it. whee, I am psychic again! Political editorial comment aside, Sahara, I wish you well and I wish you happiness and freedom and the right to choose in every way. LOL (what does that mean anyway? lots of luck or lots of love?) either way, here's to you ======= ..Friday night - Selene, defending my memories of Darrell and his zany cartoons. ...hope no one is taking me TOO seriously... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 01:20:07 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selene Subject: LOL Message: Selene dear, I think it (LOL) means Laughing Out Loud. I am very bad at these things but have asked each time I see a new one. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:25:47 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: Thankyou Message: I am also fully aware of the need to try to see through all the hurt and betrayal to try to get to see the true core of the matter. When you figure out what this is all about will you please counsel me? Thanks, Jim I'm really hurting, Sahara. Please, don't take forever. I don't knwo how long I can hang on. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 20:47:06 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The Premie Character Message: We tried to relate to each other only in character. Jim said the above in the Sahara Rose post below, and it triggered in me this really lingering issue I’ve been trying to deal with since renouncing the Big M. That issue is the suppression of aspects of personality within premiedom, and whether, as premies, we have our whole personality suppressed, or is it just individual aspects that varies from premie to premie, such as critical faculties, sense of humour, personal ambitions, creative/musical tendencies, or all of the above? For example, I know that my sense of humour has slowly re-emerged since shedding premiehood (non-premie friends have commented on it!), but maybe for some of you exes, that part of you was never affected... Why this is so pertinent for me is that apart from dealing with my own extrication, I have not yet found any kind of real resolution for the premie relationship I had. I know that there are a number of exes who have been in a similar situation, as I’ve been communicating with them via e-mail so I’m sure they would also appreciate any wisdom/advice that can be offered. Do you think for those of us who had a premie relationship, that in reality we fell in love with a ‘premie character’ or modified personality, or for those that didn’t but still had premie friends, do you think a lot of those friendships were based on the projection and connection of two ‘premie characters’, as opposed to the meeting of two true selves? Also do you think there gets to be a stage for a premie/cult member where they’ve been in it for so long that their personality becomes irretrievably altered, or that those aspects of their personality are still lying dormant deep down somewhere? At this last Amaroo event which was celebrating the 25 years M had been in the west, there were a lot of premies who were rejoicing in the fact that they had Knowledge for more years in their life, that when they hadn’t. For example, getting it at 20 years, but now having K for 23. The only real clue I ever really got in relation to this, was with my ex a couple of years ago (he’s had K 24 years). It was winter time and I had received K the year before. Anyway, we decided to go out to a pine-forest, light a fire and take some magic mushrooms (as you do!). It was probably one of the most amazing days in my life (better than any M or K experience!), and yet we both had very different experiences. While I went in and out of these various cosmic dimensions, my partner just got sucked into a laughing vortex where he just laughed and laughed and laughed, that really infectious laugh where you just can’t stop. For about 4 hours! I just remember how amazed I was that I’d never heard him really laugh like that, and I couldn’t understand why. It was like I got a brief glimpse into somebody who could be a really light and funny person, and yet in reality he is a mostly serious full-on premie. Anyway, that solo incident only raised more questions than answers, and gave me no real conclusions on his pre-premie personality as it was a one-off for me to witness...so hence this post...and these queries.... Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 16:12:15 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: TD Subject: The Premie Character Message: I wasn't in a relationship with a premie when I followed BM, so I can't speak to that. But it occurred to me that ordinary relationships take a similar route as premie relationships: Normally, people in romantic or sexual relationships put on their best act when they first meet, and then try to keep it up for as long as possible (my perception, anyway). Over time, flaws start appearing despite people's best efforts, and it's possible that people lose their infatuation proportionate to their partner's 'real' personality surfacing. With premies, the standard is devotion, dilligent practice, smooth interaction with other premies. It used to include giving good satsang (which was a talent in itself) and if humor was a part of it that was a big asset. Of course, it wasn't good to be too frivolous, and that limitation stifled a lot of people from having any humor at all. With ordinary people (or should I say 'real' people), the standard is an interesting personality, intelligence, and humor. I assume that looks, warmth and kindness played a similar role in both relationship worlds. I think maharaji's programming only subverted parts of one's personality and only exaserbated already existing tendencies. I imagine that whatever personality a person has, changes all the time anyway, so it's hard to determine whether the cult destroys parts of it, or only pushes them underground for a time. In my own experience, the areas of my personality that I denied as a premie, did take some time and work to recover. The more confident I became that maharaji was a fraud and that the denial involved in knowledge was a bad formula, the easier it was to be expressive in ways I had learned to repress as a premie. There are many sources of repression--maharaji is only one. So to the extent that you don't really know someone when they are repressed, premies who became repressed didn't really know each other, either. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 18:20:36 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Rick Subject: The Premie Character Message: Thanks for your great insights Rick. It gives some relief to me to think that the evolution and the dissolution of premie relationships do share some traditional paths with 'normal' relationships - that is the infatuation, then realisation stages. My infatuation with my partner certainly included his ability to give 'good satsang'! Ha-ha. I think why it is so difficult for me, is that since becoming an ex-premie, and now being able to identify 'premie-speak' and 'premie-behaviour' I've been forced to really re-examine the premie relationship I'd had, which I didn't really want to do, as I thought I'd already dealt with it. I remember after we broke up (which I instigated), I thought, 'Oh well. At least I still have K & M - that's what is important.' and I did all this new-age rationalising, like 'Oh, I was only meant to have this relationship, because it led me to Maharaji and K.' etc etc. You can imagine how I felt after I became an ex-premie and had to go 'Ooops.' My trust in fatalistic twists of life have gone straight out the window with this whole experience!! Maybe I have to accept that with my ex and with other premies I know, that I won't be able to distinguish those individual aspects of their personality with their premie personality until they do too. For example, if a premie discourages you from keeping close ties with your family, did the premie always feel that way about family-contact, or is it a result of listening to too many M satsangs about life not being about family/relationships etc. Hmmmmm. Thanks again, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 02:56:12 (EDT)
From: Mel Bourne Email: mbvictoria@hotmail.com To: TD Subject: Premie relationships Message: There are a couple of other aspects to premie relationships that may not be common in 'normal' relationships though: 1. 'Keeping your partner on the Path', by this I mean that, in order to keep your relationship together you ' monitor' your partner's practice of knowledge. This happened to me in my first premie relationship, from both sides, and put quite a strain on the whole thing. What I learnt from this was that what a person believed in or how they practised K was there own business, and to try and ' trust' whatever was going on (virtually impossible). 2. Jealousy from your partner about the service that you doing (or vice versa), and because of the prevailing opinion that relationships, family and marriage were ' mind trips', the fear of losing your partner to M and EV. As a result of these experiences, I have always felt reluctant to be involved in relationships with other premies ( I think that I have had about 4 medium term premie involvements) over the years. Mind you, my own co-dependant predispostion may have amplified a lot of the problems I had being involved in premie relationships, but I think most people really value a stable and close personal relationship and I think that this is a very important aspect in our lives irrespective of what M said on the issue. I think that these kind of strains are present in other religious or cult groups. I have a friend who has recently 'escaped' from the Jehovah's Witnesses, he has seperated from his wife who is still very devout (married over 20 years). We have been able to discuss both our experiences and are surprised at the similarities. I am now married to a non-premie and certainly those strains are not present, and my partner feels that family life is extremely important, certainly I feel a lot safer ! Mel Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 06:07:55 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Mel Bourne Subject: Premie relationships Message: I certainly agree with you on 1 and 2. It's interesting that you're in a relationship with a non-premie. It seems that many people who post here are now in happy relationships with non-premies. I'm happy for them and for you. I remember at one point that I thought I could never be in a relationship with a non-premie, because they would never understand my absolute need to practise K, go to videos and see M at programs. I think this was hit home, when I went away with a group of non-premie friends to my family's farm and I had to delay the day's outing until I finished meditating, while they hung around waiting for me. I was such a party-pooper, and yet at the time I thought how non-premies just don't understand the need to start the day off with a bit of old premie-magic like my fellow premies. Gosh, I'm so embarrassed by the memory of it! I wonder if a lot of premies accept that Maharaji and K are like mistresses (sorry to use this gender specific stereotype!) in a premie relationship. M is constantly a rival for love and affection that really would be much more beneficial if it was redirected within the relationship, and K often takes one person away at a time when they could actually spend some quality time with their partner. It used to always irk me that the old Sunday morning hanging out in bed routine would always be cut short, by one of us saying 'Time to go and practise', and yet often it was the last thing I felt like doing. IMHO, this is not conscious living at all, it's mindless disciplined ritual. Never again... Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 10:41:48 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: TD Subject: Premie relationships Message: The competition between maharaji/knowledge and relationships could be considered 'ambition' as much as devotion. People who are highly charged to succeed in business, art, etc. behave similarly in relationships, in terms of having a 'mistress'. Practicing knowledge was like having an all-consuming career that didn't pay anything, made you look like a stupid idiot and developed the sole skill of ignoring what you really wanted. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:56:22 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Rick Subject: Premie relationships Message: People who are highly charged to succeed in business, art, etc. behave similarly in relationships, in terms of having a 'mistress'. I agree with the competition that ambition may bring to any kind of relationship, but the difference with the Big M factor, is that, by its very nature, it's a far more deeper emotional distraction to a relationship. Premiehood doesn't just demand time or mental energy that say a job would, but it also demands tremendous amounts of love and adoration as well. I don't think even the most ambitious workaholic would have the same kind of all pervasive feelings for their jobs that a full-on devoted premie would to Maharaji. That's the whole tragedy of it. You can never love him enough, never do enough for him, never be too devoted.... When has Maharaji ever said to anybody to do the opposite? I'd be curious to ask any premie couple the ole ultimatum question, that of 'If you had to choose between your relationship and never see the Big M again, what would you do?' I'm sure, most of them would flick their relationship - sad as that may be, but as the Big M himself said: 'Life is not about relationships. Life is not about making more money. No, life is about being fulfilled.' Yeah, right Maharaji - you're living proof - NOT! Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 00:44:01 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: TD Subject: to TD Message: Hi TD. I just felt like giving you my e-mail address and if you'd like please e-mail me! I live in Sydney. I can't remember from your Journeys whether you broke up with your partner before or after you realised Knowledge wasn't for you; I suspect it was before. But 'losing' Maharaji I feel is quite a loss, emotionally, and I think it's good to have more non-premie friends or at least people you can talk to. So add my name to your address book if you like. Its Judex@zip.com.au BTW anyone is free to contact me this way unless they are premies or people I don't know! thanks! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 00:47:47 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: Rick Subject: Premie relationships Message: Practicing knowledge was like having an all-consuming career that didn't pay anything, made you look like a stupid idiot and developed the sole skill of ignoring what you really wanted. Dear Rick What a great comment. Now, how to fix this irritating trait? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 10:54:17 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: TD Subject: Rudeness Message: Dear TD, I don't think it's fair to assume that 'your fellow premies' would be so rude as to keep their friends waiting just because you were too thoughtless to get up earlier or too rigid to wait until another time.No wonder you're embarrased. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 11:27:12 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Rudeness Message: No, Passing Out, you're right. Premies have always been very considerate to their families and friends. How silly of TD! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 21:11:22 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Passin'Thru Subject: Rudeness Message: I had to wait around while family members meditated. I had to wait around until after they got back from Satsang halls/videos. We had to plan holidays around Maharaji. People missed important events in our lives because of their involvment with Maharaji. I can relate to what TD said. The premies I knew were RUDE to people in their lives. I don't think this was just something exclusive to TD's behavior and I think it's innaccurate and rude to say that to her. I can't say all premies did/do this, but all of them I knew did. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:30:11 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: VP Subject: Exactly VP Message: Dear VP, Plenty of people are rude, agressive and ignorant. Some are Jews, Moslems,Hindus and Christians. Some are even premies and some are exes. The juvenile logic that because some premies are rude or even that all the premies you have ever met are rude makes ALL premies rude is so absurd but passes for deep logic and fact on this site. TD was rude, that's it. It doesn't matter whether she is black, white or pink, premie or ex, it makes no difference. It's TD that was rude and that is the truth. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 13:29:55 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Once Again, You Spin Message: I was rude to my friends and family as a premie as well. I really didn't WANT to be rude, but when I had to make a choice between them and Maharaji, I always chose Maharaji, because that is what he specifically told me to do. I missed my little sister's wedding because it happened the same weekend as Guru Puja in 1982. There was no question what I would choose to attend. I felt terrible. I didn't WANT to miss my sister's wedding, but Maharaji said he came FIRST. He also said, while I was sitting in the room, that the only TIE I, as a premie, had to my family, 'was the one they gave me for Christmas.' He was openly disdainful of family relationships. I also recall Christmas, 1979 when I was living in the ashram in Miami. Maharaji gave a Christmas satsang to us (which was phone-fed throughout the country) and he said how 'pleased' he was that we had made the right choice to be with our 'true family' for Christmas and didn't go to visit our (untrue) family for the holidays. I also missed my grandfather's funeral because the ashram didn't have the money for the cost to get me there and since I had taken a vow of obedience, I did what I was told. In fact, Maharaji was quite often openly disdainful of family relationships, considered them just another 'attachment' that could knock you off the true path. Like TD, I cringe and feel terrible that I did these and other awful things to my family while I was a premie. They felt rejected and bewildered by my actions. But the truth is, I didn't WANT to do those things. I really WANTED to be with them when I should have been. The problem was Maharaji's dictates were otherwise, and since I was trying to SURRENDER to him, what I WANTED was not an issue. I have explained this to my family, and, they seem to understand. So, you see PT, your point is full of shit. It isn't just a matter of some people are rude and some aren't. The point is that Maharaji's cult got people to do things that were rude and hurtful to people they loved, not that people really wanted to be unloving or hurtful. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 20:46:16 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: JW Subject: Free choice JW Message: Dear JW, I took time out from the ashram and flew half way round the world for my brother's wedding. I regularly visited my parents. I used to go out to lunch and dinner with my old non premie friends whilst I was in the ashram.And I even attended wedding of two ashram premies who decided to leave the ashram and get married which was presided over by an Indian mahatma. Maharaji has said thousands of things and taken out of context, some are contradictory. You did what you did because you chose to. I heard the same things and made different decisions. You have to accept responsibility, I do. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 20:57:18 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Free choice JW Message: Maharaji has said thousands of things and taken out of context, some are contradictory. Those quotes I mentioned were ENTIRELY in context and Maharaji said them over and over, deriding family and relationships to anyone other than him. I was there I heard it. In fact, in my entire involvement, I NEVER once heard Maharaji ENCOURAGE involvement with your family. He always said the opposite. Either you have a VERY myopic and selective memory, or you are a very deceitful person when it comes to covering over for the things Guru Maharaj Ji specifically said. You have a history of this, so I am not surprised. You may be one of the MOST programmed premies I have ever encountered, or you are really dishonest. I take full responsibility for what I did. Unfortunately Guru Mahararj Ji, or Maharaji, of the lord of the universe, or the perfect master, or the master, or whatever the hell his current name is, has never had the integrity to take responsibility for absolutely anything. And people like you let him get away with it. It's really a shame. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 22:19:07 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: JW Subject: Free choice JW Message: Hi JW, Astounding, isn't it? It's clear now that Passing Thru is deceitful... an outright liar. Even in our day, with all the 'devotion', we would have fessed up and admitted that maharaji discourages family and friendship, and pointed out that dedicating ourselves to temporary attachments would only bring us disappointment. So Passing Thru can't have it both ways--either knowledge is the path of shedding worldly attachments or it's a diluted and impotent discipline. How did Arti go again? Rick Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 10:57:51 (EDT)
From: bill Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Free choice JW Message: what country were you in the ashram in. what was your comment about the matches about. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:24:28 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: and spin and spin and spin. Message: JW: What you said is SO true. I remember doing these types of things myself. I am SOOOOO thankful that my family never held this against me, EVER! They just waited around until I came to my senses and the door was never closed on me. Am I lucky or what? Your post is a real tear-jerker for me because it hits so close to me (and EVERY other premie I ever knew). And it makes me SO ANGRY, TOO.... MAHARAJI, YOU ARE SUCH AN ABSOLUTE, TOTAL AND COMPLETE ASSHOLE!!!! (Sorry, JW I had to get that out of my system right away). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:22:28 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Rick Subject: Simple enough Message: Dear Rick, I didn't say premies were any more considerate that non premies. Just that keeping people waiting is rude. But typically on this forum that simple truth gets trampled on the way to blame Maharaji or any one else for what was clearly TD's behaviour. I've had Knowledge for 25 years and practiced virtually every day and have never kept people waiting while I practiced. And I have always retained a close and loving relationship with my family. If you were rude to your family, it was your choice. Accept the responsibility. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 07:02:14 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Simplistic premies Message: Listen PT, I heard enough bloody satsangs from the Big M where he said that you SHOULD try and practise FIRST thing in the morning, as if you do it at night before you go to bed, it is more than likely you'll fall asleep. And what about always making K a priority in your life, NO MATTER WHAT!! Now, being a devoted premie, I naturally wanted to do as my Perfect Master recommended, and I was on a weekend away, for crying out loud! Slept in, but still had to practise to keep the unconsciousness at bay - hence inconsiderate behaviour, hence friends kept waiting! You've also probably heard the LOTU say 'Monkey see, monkey do' - this seems to be a favourite saying of his, and he uses it a lot in relation to premies (wonder why??). The whole nature of premie-life is conforming and adapting to cult behaviour, and I admit, I did the same. Living with a premie, and being an aspirant throughout that time, I had to wait a zillion times for him to finish practising so we could go and do something, or talk about something. Now, what was odd behaviour to me at the beginning, soon turned into standard behaviour the further I got into this whole bleeding thing. I do, however agree with your general views on lateness. I do feel that intentional lateness is rude, as to me it indicates that you think your time is more important than the other persons. But again, when you're a brainwashed cult-member, sometimes some of your personal standards slip. Funny how that happens! Regards, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 20:55:56 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: TD Subject: No he didn't TD Message: Dear TD, I have never heard Maharaji say 'you should practice first thing in the morning'. Yes, he does say make Knowledge a priority. And yes, he does say practice everyday. But I have never heard him specify a time. Certainly when I lived in the ashram we used to practice first thing and last thing. And to this day I prefer to practice before I leave the house. I think this is another case of 'I heard it from a premie who said that Maharaji said 'Do this or that''. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 04:00:27 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Oh YES he did PT! Message: PT, I heard very clearly M say that it was better to practise first thing in the morning. He gave an example of a guy who he says sleeps more than he practises K, because he does it in the evening when he's tired. Sure he didn't say 'You MUST practise in the morning', but he certainly indicated it's better if you do. At Amaroo last year, he talked about even doing it before you go for your first cup of coffee. And at the post K session events, Balkus also told us that it was better to do it first thing in the morning when you're fresh. This is not second-hand. I was there! I can also show you/photocopy a direct quote from the Big M in the Golden Age, 25 years of M in Oz saying that 'Life is not about relationships.' Can't get much better proof than that. Now, maybe you don't take anything the Big M says literally, but as a premie, I didn't think the Big M was talking in ambiguous riddles. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 06:25:56 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: TD Subject: It's an example TD Message: Dear TD, The comment Maharaji made relates to someone who says they are too tired at night. The obvious advice- 'practice in the morning' is not a rule. If you said 'I milk cows at 4 am and find it hard to practice before hand, Maharaji's obvious advice is 'practice in the afternoon'. As for the Amaroo quote 'before coffee', does that apply to people who drink tea or people who drink coffee after dinner? These two examples cannot be taken out of context and applied rigidly. As for 'life is not about relationships', he's absolutely right. It's about life, with or without relationships. Selecting odd quotes to support your viewpoint is a recipe for misunderstanding. Most people understand that the vast majority of Maharaji's words are directed to one end, informing people that there is something worthwhile going on inside them and offering the means to experience it. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 08:02:41 (EDT)
From: KK Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Semantic drivel Message: Rack off, Passing Thru. Why involve yourself in this adversarial contest? You are a totally a non-negotiable, sanctimonious, smug, self-righteous petty tyrant. Go and work for him writing his speeches. Most people don't understand the 'one end' you claim is the ULTIMATE DESTINATION of MJ's diatribe. They think it's joining a video club, contributing towards an aircraft for the 100th time, comprehending the world through glib one-liners. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:32:03 (EDT)
From: Pajama man Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: It's an example TD Message: As for 'life is not about relationships', he's absolutely right. It's about life, with or without relationships. So you are saying that 'Life is about Life'? Profound. No man is an island. Relationships are important. Without other people to love and enjoy, life can be very empty. Unless you are a narcissist, of course. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:13:34 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: No he didn't TD Message: PT: TD is right. I was around during the 'early' years and I can tell you, without fear of being incorrect, that he did say to meditate first thing in the morning and last thing at night. That was not a 'requirement' but a STRONG recommendation (which, from him, equates to a requirement). This was so strongly recommended that you would 'feel guilty' if you didn't do it (like your whole day was going to suck because you didn't follow a direction). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Sep 02, 1998 at 11:34:02 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: TD Subject: I should have changed... Message: the subject line to: HE ABSOLUTELY DID! PT. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 10:26:36 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Simple enough Message: I think the word here is 'inconsiderate', not rude, and I think the point is that maharaji encouraged premies to be inconsiderate by the urgency he gave knowledge and the disrespect he gave the rest of the world. Initiators encouraged premies to leave their families, and said that maharaji would 'sweep up the mess'. Maharaji said that if you have a problem, put it in your back pocket and practice knowledge. No, PT, not so fast... premies were especially disrespectful and maharaji encouraged it. You're either very dumb or a liar. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 21:07:57 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Rick Subject: Neither Rick Message: Dear Rick, Maharaji has talked about love and joy and consciousness a million time more often that he has talked about family and friends. Practicing Knowledge and having respect for others are not mutually exclusive. It would take a lot more than Maharaji's opinion to stop me loving my family and friends. I cannot think of any friends I have lost by practicing Knowledge and all have treated my involvement with the respect a friend deserves. We all heard the same satsangs, why are we so different. The answer is because WE are different and react differently even if the message is the same. Why not blame your family and friends, society and your education for not providing you with the common sense to love those who love you. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 20:19:52 (EDT)
From: Peter Email: None To: all Subject: I declare my devotion to... Message: Passing Thru, who clearly is much more together and mature and fit to be a spiritual leader than Maharaji ever will be. Consider the following chart (with thanks to Ross Perot): PT Maharaji Have you noticed how, whenever someone criticizes Maharaji's behavior, or their own behavior at Maharaji's behest, PT always brings up how he (sorry for the sexism here, but I just can't picture a smug asshole like PT as a woman) has never fallen into that trap and instead has always behaved admirably. Although humbly stated(!), PT's consistent superiority to Maharaji in all these matters leads one to the inescapable conclusion that he is much more deserving of our devotion than is Maharaji. I think that PT has been very coy with us, waiting for us to notice, to turn our attention in the direction of the true PT light, and now I have, I have SEEN THE LIGHT and declare my ETERNAL DEVOTION to the Lord of the Unicorns, PASSING THRU! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 01:45:18 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Peter Subject: I declare my devotion to... Message: My God, Peter, You have laid it all out in a coherent form that even the most blind and deluded premie or Keith kinda person could understand! PT IS the true Lord! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:35:58 (EDT)
From: Pajama Man Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: I declare my devotion to... Message: Maha rici Mickey, Please pass PT the krishna crowns! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 06:48:33 (EDT)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Peter Subject: I'm ready Message: Dear Peter, I am thinking seriously about your offer. What is my position on my private life? I do not want you to be disappointed. Could you let me know (without seeming to) how you would like me to behave? Should I declare anything that might been seen by some as unacceptable faults? PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 12:20:44 (EDT)
From: Peter Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: minimum standards for devotion Message: Yes, PT, there are certain minimum standards on your private life that must be maintained for you to keep my devotion.
But I'm sure, from the various descriptions you've given of yourself, that you'll have no problem meeting these standards. And if you should fail to meet them, don't worry about me being disappointed. I'll just dump you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 15:00:41 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Mel Bourne Subject: Premie relationships Message: Me too Mel, I am *so* glad my current husband is not into any organized cult or religion. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:18:11 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: TD, Mel Subject: Premie relationships Message: Dear TD, Mel and all Agree with Rick’s two points. Re 1 - a corollary is that if one partner decides to go 'off the path', there’s less incentive for the other to continue the relationship Re 2 - this is a BIG factor. And the fear, from what I’ve seen, is often justified. I’ve heard many stories, particularly from premie women, about desertion by partners who are prioritising service, going to programs, getting close to MJ physically. The 'left behind' partner then struggles with their feelings of jealousy - two-way jealously, if they’re also a premie. If there are kids involved, the weight of child-care falls on this person, too. Meaning less time for meditation, involvement in service and going to programs, and thus more potential for guilt and feeling 'left out'. YUK! A few other factors which may operate, from my observation: 3. MJ’s dictum of 'you’re perfect already' can translate into a reluctance to examine problem areas in the relationship. 'I don’t have to change, MJ says I’m just fine as I am.' Doesn’t leave much room for a relationship to develop and grow, if the people within it believe growth on a personality or social level is unnecessary and/or a waste of time. 4. The pervading philosophy that K and MJ are the only reliable things in life, and that everything else is bound to let you down, can easily become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Or at least, again, provide a reason to minimise the effort which goes into the relationship. 5. The idea that you need to 'follow your heart' can translate for some premies into an approach which elevates fulfilling one’s personal needs and preferences to some sort of moral imperative. In a relationship, this attitude can justify simply going off and doing whatever you want, irregardless of its effect on the other person (and any kids). This is particularly the case if what you want to do is in line with what MJ suggests you should do: service, going to programs. Negotiation, which I think is an essential part of a successful relationship, particularly where kids are involved, doesn’t get much of a look-in if one (or more) parties to a relationship has this approach. TD, you may well have had more than one lucky escape. Love Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:57:01 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: TD Subject: The Premie Character Message: Also do you think there gets to be a stage for a premie/cult member where they’ve been in it for so long that their personality becomes irretrievably altered, or that those aspects of their personality are still lying dormant deep down somewhere? Yes and Yes. I think some are too far gone, I know of one in particular whose whole frame of reference is about Mararaji. I don't think she can get better, I really don't. I also think some are stronger than others, or had a better toolkit to work with and so they can re-emerge. I hope I am the latter. I can see things coming to the surface for me now that had been thoroughly repressed. But I was always a rebel and an independent thinker and was fortunate to be raised by people who took a lot of stock in intellectual abilities, and encouraged that in me. It was actually ALL I ever got in terms of love or attention, so it wasn't easily squelched. Also, I was more of an 'on the fence' premie, never could stand that mala dance!! :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 06:26:42 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The Premie Character Message: Thanks very much everyone for your responses - I appreciate it so much. I don't know if you other exes still experience this, but last week I was blindsided by a particularly 'bad week' in terms of ridding myself from this whole thing. For the last month or two, I'd been trucking along quite well and then, boom, just got hit by a wave of ex-premie/ex-cult muck and felt miserable. All these insecurities and issues came bubbling to the surface, the premie relationship being the big one, as I had to finally face the fact that maybe I didn't really 'know' my premie partner. Since becoming an ex-premie and learning daily about the common traits of premiedom, I now realise his behaviour echoes so much of that which is perpetuated throughout the premie world, that it's difficult for me to tell where his 'real' personality ended and where his premie persona began.... I guess as part of the detox process, there are all these little thresholds we've got to keep crossing as we get ourselves back, and that it just takes time. It's now been 5 months since flicking premie-life and I guess with 4 years clocked up on the Big M's side, I've still got to put in a couple more hard yards to get through this... Thanks again, TD Stopped being a rude inconsiderate premie in '98 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:52:39 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Did anyone notice? Message: To All: I woke up this morning and a small thought came to my mind that I wanted to share. It may be something that you all are 'used' to, but to me it was something a little new. The question is this: Did anyone notice that, despite a rather contentious and devisive group of threads over the past few days, that WE are STILL talking to one another? I, for one, think that this is an absolute marvel. Such disparate views can be aired, in a public forum, and we still like each other (I hope). It reminds me of a squabling family. When all is said and done; still family. We allow each other to have our 'own' thoughts, WHATEVER they may be, and to express them (with appropriate flames returned, of course). In fact, 'thought' is demanded, not just encouraged. I LIKE IT! Thanks to one and all! Would that the rest of the damn world could do this, too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:58:22 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Mike Subject: Did anyone notice? Message: Good points Mike. This forum has been beneficial in many ways. But one of the biggest benefits has been encouraging me to think and express myself again. I hadn't realized how damaged that part of me had become, being part of the whole premie-think trip. At first I almost felt like a little girl, trying out my social skills for the first times. And I said some angry and some silly things and I think everyone is still OK with me. I hope so since I will probably say more angry and silly things. :) Selene, goofing off in a positive way. Happy Friday everyone. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 07:57:21 (EDT)
From: Juan Email: None To: Selene Subject: Did anyone notice? Message: Hello again everyone, I must now leave but I am pleased that this exists and if I ever can use a computer I will try and find it. I just would like to say that what you are doing will help many to be free of the fear of leaving the path to what Maharaji used to call satchitanand, and that what they are doing is not resulting in pain or maya or any of the other religious ideas that have been given to us over the years. I am sure Maharaji means well but he is wrong in what he thinks and he is trying to convince the world to follow his wishfull thinking when he should realise himself that everyone must find there own way and that we are here to help one another get through this life rather that confuse and have a luxurious lifestyly while there are many, including some of my friends, struggling to survive. If indeed he did realise that he may be wrong he should say to everyone that he has made a mistake and try and somehow make up for it. There would be a lot of money to pay back and he could not give back the wasted years. Adios amigos Juan Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 05:47:36 (EDT)
From: Finally Gain some Email: None To: Everyone Subject: old Indian Wisdom ! Message: Everything here for you to read, and become finally wise: Maharaji's wisdom is for everybody Jean-Michel, having fun (is that wisdom?) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:36:48 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Finally Gain some Subject: old Indian Wisdom ! Message: JM, Brain has a book of M 'wisdom' stories. (You may already have it) I don't know whether they are old Indian stories or not. They are really really BAD (I think Brian said they weren't worth the paper they were printed on) If you are interested, he still may have them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:44:41 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: VP Subject: old Indian Wisdom ! Message: I was on this kick of buying audio tapes at all the events for a while and every city he toured he told that same Queen's Necklace story. God , over and over, every tape I bought. He must be so full of himself to think this is going to keep people around. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 17:39:53 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Selene Subject: old Indian Wisdom ! Message: I think there is a lot more involved in this sewage story! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 17:54:03 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: VP Subject: Please give me more! Message: Yes, VP I'd love to have a copy of that book. Also if someone could write that Narad's story. I know it's on one of the videos I have ... And if you recall of some good ones ... I'll have to read a lot of stuff I have. Ah yes, the hunter and the parrots .... hte bird in the cage, and a few others that I don't recall for the moment. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 20:58:14 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: How about these ones . . . . Message: THE OWLS, THE SWAN, AND THE SUN One day two baby owls had stayed up past their bedtime. They saw a beautiful swan. The swan asked them if they'd ever seen the sun? 'The sun,' they cried, 'What's the sun?' The swan explained a little and suggested that they stay awake and see it for themselves. They said they would have to ask their parents first. The baby owls ask their parents. Of course, the parents have never heard of the sun either, so they ask their neighbours. Finally a general meeting with the town council is called. After hours of discussion, it is concluded that there is no SUN! Mr. Swan is a fraud. The baby owls are very disappointed with the swan. They go back the next day and say, 'Mr. Swan, why did you lie to us. There is no sun. The swan says, 'Look. Go to sleep. When I tell you to wake up, WAKE UP!' When the sun begins to rise, the swan wakes the little owls; they see the sun for themselves and everybody lives happily ever after. AT THIS POINT, MJ goes on to say, 'And so it is with us.' OTHER STORIES IN MY REPERTOIRE INCLUDE: BILNE THE GIRLGUIDE; THE POTTER WHO BREAKS HIS POTS; THE REAL SINGING BIRD VERSUS THE WIND-UP TOY BIRD; THE LOVER WHO SEES THE SNAKE AS A ROPE, THE DEAD BODY AS A ... AND A FEW MORE. Let me know if you want more of this tripe. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 03:25:23 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Gail Subject: Hey Gail ! Message: Did you check my tales' page ? - THE OWLS, THE SWAN, AND THE SUN already online! - BILNE THE GIRLGUIDE Is it the same one that's already online? - THE POTTER WHO BREAKS HIS POTS Yes if you have it - THE REAL SINGING BIRD VERSUS THE WIND-UP TOY BIRD; I have that one on the 'gift' booklet, It's called the Nightingale - THE LOVER WHO SEES THE SNAKE AS A ROPE, THE DEAD BODY AS A ... Yes, I'd love that one AND A FEW MORE. Let me know if you want more of this tripe Do you have the one with gm and his disciple arriving in the country where everything is worth 10 cents. The king finally wants to be killed instead of m's disciple. remember? M used to tell it in the longest possible way, with all the story of the guy who got his goat killed by the piece of balcony etc That's a very good one. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 07:27:17 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hey Gail ! - to Jean-Mich Message: Jean-Michel have you heard the one about the kingdom where they abandon each king after a year of rule into a desert? And then this one smart king comes along? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 13:31:13 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hey Gail ! Message: I just sent everything I own regarding MJ to Jim Heller. He's got those ones now (or soon). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:38:40 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Please give me more! Message: Salt Ant and the Sugar Ant Mango Story Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 03:29:54 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: CD Subject: Hey CD: Message: The 2 ants is already online, with the 2 toads also. I'm sure you're an excellent writer, you could re-write that mangooo story .... but I'm sure I have it in some old indian booklet. Thanks anyway! Go check at Lovely Indian tales full of ancient widsdom maybe you don't want to add to the page counter ? We'll make an arrangement, you tell me how many times you go there, and I'll decrease it .... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 13:52:55 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hey CD: Message: Someone please tell that mango story. I have never heard it. The only time I ever tasted a mango, it DID taste like turpentine. Did I get a bad one? Jean-Michel, I emailed Brian to ask him if he will send you that book. Talk to you later Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 20:13:46 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: VP Subject: Hey CD: - to VP Message: VP a good mango shouldn't taste like turpentine, unless your taste buds are wired differently (does turpentine would taste like mango to you?) To get a good mango: it's better not to eat them overripe as they become a bit sickly. Green means it's not quite ripe. The best way to know is to smell it and the flesh should feel firm but not hard as with any soft tropical fruit. The smell should be quite fragrant. One way to cut it is to slice the two 'cheeks' off and dice them with a knife while leaving the flesh on the skin. Then just eat it off the skin. There is almost nothing as good as a juicy, sweet mango IMO. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:23:08 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Judith Subject: Hey Judith-mangoes Message: Thanks for that advice on choosing mangoes. I must have gotten a bad one. Now that I think about it, it SMELLED like turpentine, not really tasted like it (those two senses are intertwined, as I'm sure you know.) Anyway, I felt like I was eating my lead white oil paint and I started to get a Van Gogh complex! I will try again, now that I know how to find a good one. Thanks, again :) Does anyone know the mango satsang that people keep referring to on this site? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 19:21:26 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: VP Subject: Hey Judith-mangoes Message: VP, Try a Brie quesadilla with Mango and salsa. And Jim thought I liked cookies! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 19:55:01 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: VP Subject: Hey Judith-mangoes Message: VP: Out of interest did you know one reason supposedly Van Gogh went 'mad' was from eating this incredibly potent garlic mayonnaise which is a speciality of the region he lived in. They serve it with crudities and it would have been all he could afford to eat, they guess. Apparently there is something in the garlic which can make you hallucinate. It is unusually strong garlic in that town. (??? - eat garlic - paint like Van Gogh?) The mango satsang - what I seem to remember is the idea that it is better to plant a seed and grow all the mangos you want from your very own mango tree than to....(ask someone to give you unimited mangos?) Something like that. I'm sure someone knows it properly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:44:19 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Judith Subject: Favorite Van Gogh facts Message: Judith, I never heard anything about the garlic in the south of France (or was it from his youth in Holland?) just that he put his brushes in his mouth and they had traces of lead in them from his paints. To get a tip on the brush, artists will sometimes roll the brush in their mouths. They aren't supposed to do this, but many do anyway. Back in his day they didn't even know it was harmful. Then when he was in the insane asylum, he supposedly ATE his paint. You can't even get your hands on lead paint anymore in most places, but the quality of a lead white is so much better than a titanium. I hoarded some when I heard they were going to stop making it...but I NEVER lick my brush..snort, grunt, drool... I swear..wheeze! snort! My favorite VVG fact: Did you know that he was a Christian preacher before making painting his life? He was criticized and even reprimanded by the church for being so intense--not bathing, having no possessions, etc. They said he was taking the 'word' too literally. He was viewed as a fanatic,(sort of a 'Fringe or bongo' pastor) but when I read his letters from that period, he sounds very sincere. CD, Apparently Vincent didn't like cookies either. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 23:54:47 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: VP Subject: Hey Judith-mangoes etc Message: Don't worry: you'll have them ALL on my site. I have piles of magazines, and I'm looking for the best versions, Indian way ... I even found some I had completely forgotten about! I also have all those old question & answers, I think they deserve a special place. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 14:46:29 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Thanks to you, JM... Message: ...no one will ever have to pay to attend another program. They can read all of the stories on your site. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 17:33:26 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Judith Subject: to Judith: Message: Judith: Nothing is better, unless you pull a guava off the tree in your back yard....now that's good! (I'm allergic and I still eat them!) yum! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 21:54:17 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: JM Subject: And let's not forget... Message: ...the one about the guy being given a magic stone for a limited time which turns metal things into gold, but the guy is such a tightarse he won't pay for the metal until the price drops at the market, but by the time it does, its too late and he has to give it back...(that one used to fill me with premie fear, fear that I wasn't appreciating and using K to its max, and that I'd lose it. What a joke!). ...and the story about the guy who'd only ever seen a picture of a leaf as opposed to a real leaf... I think that bloody bird in the cage story was told about 1,000 times in the space of a year. I remember each time hearing it, thinking 'Oh, god, not again!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 23:21:57 (EDT)
From: SaharaRose Email: SaharaRose@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: A Question Message: Hi Everyone! First an introduction: I live in Australia and am not a premie or ex-premie, and have not attended any of the intro video sessions... yet. In fact, I had not even heard of Maharaji or premies until a few weeks ago! I first came to hear of him through a wonderful friend that I met on the Internet. This last week, I have been searching for info about Maharaji and came across this site. I have been browsing through this forum (and the pro-Maharaji site) for several days now, and have read just about all of the info on this site, trying to understand. I can readily understand the feelings of betrayal and hurt that an ex-premie would have... to find that you have devoted you life and your heart to someone who seems to have 'feet of clay'. I can understand the bitterness you must feel. Now, my question to all of you is this: Do you feel that there is anything positive in your life as a result of your past devotion to Maharaji? Was the whole experience a disaster, or has it enabled you to see the rest of this world in a different light? I would really appreciate any insight that you could give. Recently I have been listening to the 'Live at Long Beach' CD. I am captivated by the words and emotions expressed in all of the songs. The love and devotion in those songs is so uplifting ... I find it hard to reconcile with the things I read here. (And thanks Cosmon for your question about anger... I was wondering about that too.) Thanks everyone! SaharaRose Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 23:30:42 (EDT)
From: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: SaharaRose Subject: Don't be captivated... Message: Hi SaharaRose, You have obviously read Cosmon's thread. Read the replies to him again and I think you will find the answers to your questions. Recently I have been listening to the 'Live at Long Beach' CD. I am captivated by the words and emotions expressed in all of the songs. The love and devotion in those songs is so uplifting ... I find it hard to reconcile with the things I read here. Don't get captivated. That's how it all starts. Just stay away from the whole thing, please... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 23:58:08 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: Hi Sahararose, I'm sure that you find the emotion and sentiments in the songs uplifting, but as a songwriter and a priest, I must tell you that music is a type of manipulation, especially 'spiritual' or 'religious' music. Devotional music is by its nature supposed to be uplifting; this doesn't mean that EV or M is particularly uplifting or worth the price of your mind and heart. I agree with Nigel: stay away from M and his minions. The positive thing I gained from my time with the cult was the development of my cult radar. Don't let them suck you in. Regards, Michael Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 00:28:28 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: Next time you listen to the CD really listen to the lyrics. Do you think the singer is singing to the 'spirit' or divine in all of us, or to Maharaji? Would it bother you if the lyrics were a love song to this man, that a song with lyrics like 'I look into your eyes and I feel true devotion, that only you can set in motion' read that ! Do you believe only he can set this in motion? And is devotion what you need? And what exactly is devotion anyway? Has this crossed your mind? Sorry for the rapid fire questions. There is a reason for it. If you don't examine this, if you 'listen with your heart and not your mind' - as you will hear over and over that you should - than what are you giving up? Will this have repurcussions for you down the road? Is this necessary in your life? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 02:02:52 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: Hello SaharaRose, You asked: Do you feel that there is anything positive in your life as a result of your past devotion to Maharaji? Was the whole experience a disaster, or has it enabled you to see the rest of this world in a different light? What I got from my devotion to Maharaji was not worth sacrifices I made. The whole experience wasn't a disaster--more like one of those lessons one learns the hard way. I've taught my children how to spot the traps. They'll have their own lessons, but hopefully being attracted to and programmed by a cult will not be one. You can have the same and better experiences than Maharaji offers through other methods, truly you can. Sincerely, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 02:30:05 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: I recommend you read through all the other information and journeys on this site. The journeys will give you an idea of the kind of hopes and aspirations we had prior to Maharaji, and then the disallusionment, betrayal and pain that we've experienced as a result of having put so much faith in him and what he teaches. I tend to be able to see the positive side of most experiences (even if they didn't work out the way I hoped) but I wouldn't wish this experience on anyone - and that's a really depressing realisation. Best of luck, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 07:33:19 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: SarahRose Subject: Michael Jackson Message: I felt very uplifted last night watching and listening to Michael Jackson's 'Earth Song' and that was just after I'd done some meditation. For me, Maharaji would have to be none other than God manifest in human form for me to get into his trip again. Now I prefer to see Michael Jackson on video. He might be wealthy, he might be eccentric (who isn't) and he might have changed colour but he's not asking anyone to worship him as God and I agree with his sentiments. And he makes terrific music. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 21:33:15 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Michael Jackson Message: He might also be a pedophile. We must not forget that. Ah, what the hell--I like him too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 08:09:10 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: Sincerity Message: Do you feel that there is anything positive in your life as a result of your past devotion to Maharaji? Was the whole experience a disaster, or has it enabled you to see the rest of this world in a different light? Only one, big lesson about gullibility, group thinking, cults, etc. But not the kind of lesson one actively seeks out. Why? Because, pound for pound, it just wasn't worth it. If someone spends eight years of their life in a Turkish prison for drug smuggling, they'd have to say they learnt a lot, maybe even made a few friends. But was it worth it? Hell no. Being in a cult is like being robbed. The funny thing, though, is that the way one's robbed in a cult is by the thief tricking you into thinking that your property isn't your own and that you're actually doing your 'true' self and the world a great service by helping him load your stuff into the truck. You're smiling all the way and yes, happy. Happy as hell, I guess you'd call it. Only later, when the truck's long gone, do you realize that you'd been had and are ever poorer for it. Those smiles and chuckles? Yeah, you remember them. But that memory just stings as you now understand what really happened. I think anyone who stayed with Maharaji longer than a few weeks would have to say they were happy, at least in some, ways 'at his holy lotus feet'. But all of us here well appreciate that the fact is that, far from being our creator in human form, as he maintained, Maharaji was a vampire sucking us dry. Get it? For your convenience, and lest you not understand just how this game was played, here's a sample of the things Maharaji said about himself that we all fell for: 1)Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? 2)Guru Maharj Ji knows all. Guru Maharaji is Brahma (creator). Guru Maharaji is Vishnu (Operator). Guru Maharjai is Shiva (Destoryer of illusion and ego). And above all, Guru Mahraji is the Supremest Lord in person before us. 3)I have come so powerful. I have come for the world. Whenever the great come,the worldly oppose them. Again I have come and you are not listening. Every ear should hear that the saviour of humanity has come. There should be no chance for anyone to say that they haven't heard of Guru Maharaj Ji. Those who have come to me are already saved. Now its your duty to save others. Shout it on the streets. Why be shy? There are lots more. JM has these and others over on his web site, if you're interested. The point is, Maharaji stuck his fangs in deep, relentlessly. We're all lucky to have broken free. Some of us 'gave' a little more than others. We're all victims. Recently I have been listening to the 'Live at Long Beach' CD. I am captivated by the words and emotions expressed in all of the songs. The love and devotion in those songs is so uplifting ... I find it hard to reconcile with the things I read here. There is a mode of expression called 'devotion' that anyone can whip themselves into. Little girls get there with the Moffats, Back Street Boys and Spice Girls. Desparate suckers pick up a pamphlet at the detox centre and ask Jesus into their hearts, get their own devotional groove happening and never look back. 'Devotees' of gurus perfect the art of that expression. It's what they do. I know, I used to do that myself. I used to write devotional songs and sing them oh so sincerely too. Some, I have to say, were downright beautiful. Hey, I was young -- in my twenties -- full of life and completely focused on wanting to be... to be... what? What was all that natural ambition directed to? Simple, devotion. I wanted to be a GREAT devotee. (Oh, of course, that meant the most HUMBLE devotee. Yes, the 'path' was razor thin!) And I also wanted to just open my heart and 'share my love'. So I wrote some real heartbreakers, I think. But you know what? It was all fake. I know how it is for those premies singing up there. It's good, slick, showmanship, as phony at heart as a Michael Bolton concert. Treacly emotion, phony veiled demurring love. Every last gesture, rich enough for Shakespeare, overblown enough for vaudeville but nuanced enough for tv, we really sold our devotional self-image to ourselves and each other with one desparate aim, to actually believe our own bullshit. Of course, our consciences kept showing up like Billy Carter at the White House, reminding us that, uch as we pretended otherwise, we WEREN'T Arjuna, or Tulsidas the Gardener, or devotee-this, devotee-that. We were just plain old, people trying to make lives for ourselves. Unfortunately for us, we were camped by the fire of self-sacrifice. Crawl out of your tent for a little human contact and the only talk around that fireplace was about sacrifice and 'surrender'. We tried to relate to each other only in character. Kept out consciences to ourselves. Fought them, suppressed them. It wasn't easy but it did make our eyes a little more woeful for the cameras. Maharaji had a name for this school of acting. he called it -- and still does -- 'Sincerity'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 10:55:55 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim Subject: Did you write? Message: Jim: An aside, did you write tulsidas the gardiner? Was that your voice I have on tape? I am an absolute music fanatic, BTW. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:03:09 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim Subject: A correction.. Message: Jim: Surdas the gardiner...sorry Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:11:11 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mike Subject: A correction.. Message: Mike, No, that was sung, and likely written by, the guy from One Foundation. My tunes mainly kept at home in the various Canadian premie communities I lived in. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:32:04 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim Subject: Bummer... Message: Jim: Heck, I thought I would get to rub elbows with a 'famous' guy...he he he. Seriously though, you are quite correct in intimating the power of music. When I heard the outpouring of devotion in satsang, it didn't have nearly the hold on me that the 'music intermission' did. The more I look at this whole affair, the more like a zillion-tentacled octopus it becomes. How could we have possibly escaped? Seems pretty miraculous, doesn't it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 08:27:49 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: I got tremendous value out of my association with Maharaji. Most of this association was back in the '70's. I still practice some of the meditation I received back in 1971 and regard it as most valuable. Through the years I was associated I observed several shifts in focus on Maharaji from Guru to Lord of the Universe to meditation teacher back to Lord. I didn't get too much into the 'Lord' perspective. Others had different perspectives. Today I'm a Buddhist. I consider my spiritual practice as vital and essential to my well being. I realize I have different perspectives than many others but have come to these perspectives through some unique experiences. I don't have much to say about Maharaji's organization as it is now. I have two very dear lifelong friends who continue to hold Maharaji in high esteem. I have other friends who have left. Most people I know who have left don't get too much into their feelings about their involvement one way or another. I'm not here to convert anyone pro or con. Personally speaking, Maharaji does not appear to me to be a 'master of meditation'. However, my experience goes much deeper than the appearance of Maharaji. I have no regrets as to my involvement, an involvement that represents a significant stage of my life. ________________________________________ I can readily understand the feelings of betrayal and hurt that an ex-premie would have... to find that you have devoted you life and your heart to someone who seems to have 'feet of clay'. I can understand the bitterness you must feel. I've gotten these feelings of betrayal before, during and after my association with Maharaji. My sense of betrayal has been at the hands of humans, not gods or 'masters'. To me, humans are full of wonderful potential and promise. At various times in my life I've had the privilege to see and experience this potential directly. To me, the betrayal and hurt is as humans we are not living their potential. That includes me. Over the years I've been learning not to take this so personally but I must say that I still experience the hurt. At times I've managed to learn something through the hurtful experiences. Maharaji offered me promise of a way through. The main thing I got, the meditation, still works. The other perspectives I had in association with Maharaji, that Maharaji would save me or save us all from the suffering of the world are gone. For the 'meaning of life' and the promise of human potential today I use Buddhist and some other very personal spiritual perspectives and practices. Works for me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 09:05:07 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: Hi SaharaRose Positives? As others have said, an unusually sharp awareness of the dangers of group-think, of leaders who don't encourage questioning, and of the subtle ways in which particular points of view are made to seem like the only way to look at things. The process of sorting myself out once I realised everything wasn't rosy was not easy, but in reterospect I feel pretty comfortable about it - I did learn a lot. But like others, I'm sure there were other ways in which I could have learned, which wouldn't have been so traumatic. Because for me there were times which were super-hard. Personally, I got a lot out of meditation. However I now feel almost certain that, if I'd put in the effort, I could have found ways to have the same experience without Maharaji. I know quite a few people who aren't premies who have a deep internal experience, either through other teachers (though I myself would be cautious about getting involved with ANY guru-type - it seems like the cult dynamics happen in many places), or from experiences in their lives, or from individual practices. For example, I've been to Quaker meetings where the atmosphere is as 'thick' as at a MJ program - assume at least some people there are feeling something pretty incredible, or they wouldn't keep coming back to sit in silence for an hour. Maharaji puts his own spin on the experience - despite what you'll be told, there is a belief system which goes with it, and which is conveyed both through Maharaji's talks and through the actions and reactions of his followers. While it may look innocuous, the focus on devotion to MJ can mean a lack of focus on all sorts of aspects of life - partners, children, career, community service, personal growth... Or at least a pressure to put these things in second place. It's often those who are most sincere who get hooked in the most, spend all their dollars to go to overseas programs and much of their time 'participating' in Maharaji's mission. It can very easily become a very narrow life. On another level, I just feel a great deal more alive, in an all-around, every-day sense, than I used to as a premie. More in touch with myself, my whole self. More in touch with other people, more able to enjoy the quirkiness of life. As a premie, real 'life' was limited to the experience of K (one hour a day, then the rest spent in longing, MJ recommended at one point - don't know if he still does - what a waste of 23 hours!). Real 'self' was only the bit of me that responded to MJ and Knowledge. It was always like I had to re-orient myself to fit that concept of the world. Now, I just feel, and think, and do what feels right - don't try to sort myself into 'heart' (good) and 'mind' (bad). I'm just me. It's simple, it's free, and I'd recommend it to anyone. Best wishes Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:01:46 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Diz Subject: Good recommendation Message: Now, I just feel, and think, and do what feels right - don't try to sort myself into 'heart' (good) and 'mind' (bad). I'm just me. It's simple, it's free, and I'd recommend it to anyone. Now THAT I'm going to try. Sounds like something I shoud have been doing all along. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:10:20 (EDT)
From: Cosmon Email: None To: Diz and Bobby Subject: A Question Message: I found Bobby's and Diz's responses to Sahara Rose's good question very helpful . Thankyou both . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:02:10 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: SaharaRose: My only comment is based on your assertion that the music is 'captivating.' Think about that word and ask yourself, 'do I want to be held captive?' If the answer is no, then avoid this guy like the plague. It is more difficult to extricate yourself from this madness than you can possibly imagine. Most of the people here are only 'beginning' to divest themselves of this guy and IT HURTS! I think that if you look at the posts here, in that light, you will see what I mean. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 22:19:25 (EDT)
From: Carol Email: None To: Mike Subject: A Question Message: I agree with Mike. I also am drawn to the beautiful songs and their idealism. The lovely sounds can serve to open your heart(and make you vulnerable!) I think it comes from a fairly common human desire for trust in pure love and pure beauty. I think I also have held a common need/desire for being loved and cared for perfectly and always. The mistake is in attributing that capacity to a single human being. I appreciate my experience of being a premie mostly for two reasons: 1. that I made a radical change in lifestyle that was much more healthy for me than what I had been doing previously. and 2. I met a great number of people that I am very glad to have known and whom I may not have met otherwise. Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 12:17:12 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: I am captivated by the words and emotions expressed in all of the songs. The love and devotion in those songs is so uplifting ... I find it hard to reconcile with the things I read here. Why don't you have a sincere look at your present personal life, and check if you don't miss that type of feelings in general? with you family, in frienship, in relationships, etc. M's system definitely offers something, but I doubt it's what you're really looking for. I've seen this for me and for many of my friends, and you can easlily be mistaken. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:26:56 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: Wrong Question Message: Asking an ex-premie if they got anything positive as a result of their devotion to maharaji is like asking: A battered wife if she got anything good out of being with her abusive husband. A recovering alcoholic if they got anything worthwhile out of drinking. A concentration camp survivor if anything positive happened while they were in the war camp. Life isn't for the naive, Sahara, and you're question is too innocent. What you need here isn't a good answer to your question - what you need is a good question... a different question that is intelligent. But I'm confused. You say that you heard about maharaji from a 'wonderful friend that you met on the Internet this last week'. How wonderful can someone be that you just met on the Internet? Wonderful enough to meet him at a Burger King in Davenport, Iowa to have sex in the restroom? Okay then, start being a little more discerning and discriminating. Then you say you've been 'browsing through this forum for several days now, and have read just about all the info on this site'. Really? Well, duhhhh Sahara! Hulllloooo, pookey-chops, how could you possibly ask such a lame question when you just read all the answers. Jim pointed out in his response to your post that some lessons are too expensive--like spending years in a foreign prison for smuggling dope. Your post is like someone just watching the movie 'Midnight Express', and then asking 'Gee, do they have good heroin in Turkey? I like heroin. How much is a plane ticket to Turkey?' See, the right question would be 'What all did you lose in this fiasco? How did you ever fall for something so dumb?' Does this make any sense to you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:04:53 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Sahara Rose Subject: A Question Message: Sahara, I had a friend in this cult commit suicide. I think it is important to mention that even though my friend was dead, I still thought this might be an OK thing to pursue--DUH!! So I do understand where you are coming from with your questions. It looks like it could be a good thing, doesn't it? As I told Cosmon, we have all been there. BTW, If you are searching for peace in your life, I think you can get more wisdom from reading some Richard Carlson than from listening to Maharaji. Any answers you want in this life, it is best that you find ON YOUR OWN. Unfortunately no one has a single magic answer for what we as humans (tortured intellectuals?) are seeking. It's tempting to think that they might. That doesn't mean we can't be happy, though. With or without all of the answers, we can enjoy ourselves. The knowledge techniques are on this site in a couple of different places--No obligations, no donations. Help yourself, and have a nice day. Positively, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 17:48:51 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Rick Subject: Wrong Question Message: Wonderful enough to meet him at a Burger King in Davenport, Iowa to have sex in the restroom? I thought everyone here did that, no? hee hee couldn't resist. You just made me laugh out loud in my office - a rare thing this week. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 22:11:30 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: Rick and Sahara Rose Subject: Wrong Question Message: Rick There is something in people that wants to suspend the 'known' in order to find the unknown, because the known is not enough. It is like the growth process. Bobby touched on it when he talked about people not living up to their potential. Usually when that is happening, people are unhappy. A 'useful' emotion they can feel is 'longing'. Better than angry, frustrated, blaming, or drugging and blocking it out, anyway. At least 'longing' is 'spiritual'. Then along comes someone who offers a seeming answer to that 'longing' for the 'deep knowledge of one's own soul'. You know, kind of like what happens when you're on your death bed and all the bullshit goes out the window, including what job you had in your life, what clothes you wore, what house you lived in. I've heard people say the only things you remember are the love that you gave and received. We are all innocent in a way, and really, that is probably all we long for (not sex in a restroom in Ohio though). Maharaji and others like him including New Age Seminars of all kinds tap into the longing we all have to experience ourselves and our lives more deeply and to be more fulfilled. We all have it (unless I guess we've found meditation practices etc that fill that need). To me most of my life has been a chase after 'fool's gold'. Anyone's not been like that? And if you say to a fool, no it's not there, well can you tell them where it is? And to Sahara Rose, I suggest you are enjoying the feeling of 'gratitude', which is what devotion mostly is. And it sounds like you are wanting to open your heart. The trouble with Maharaji is, while he tells you to just feel gratitude and enjoy life, he is filling you with lots of messages and 'instructions' about life. Most of us here found it did not work for us to 'follow' anyone. See 'Life of Brian' as someone here suggested the other day. Why don't you keep asking questions here - ask what you really want to ask. 'Yes it sounds fucked but were there any scraps to be had?' does sound pretty sad. Don't you want more than that? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:55:33 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: Sahara Rose: (Great name, by the way.) I agree with the other responses so far. The main thing I got out of being a premie, is the same ability I have seen in many other ex-premies, a razor sharp ability to see when I am being manipulated. Unfortunately, like eb said, it came the hard way. If I had the ability to expunge the entire premie experience from my past I would do it in a minute. It was very, very costly and I got very little out of it. I did meet some very nice people, some of whom are ex-premies now and continue to be very close friends, and I am glad for that. Here is one warning for you. Premies, with notable exceptions, are very nice people. They got involved because they sincerely wanted to be happy. Obviously, all these ex-premies were once premies, and they are STILL very nice people. Premies sometimes appear very loving, open, and even perhaps to have a 'spark' that you might find attractive. They also have what appears to be a simple solution to all your problems, and which supposedly will make you happy. You might find yourself wanting to be like them, or to spend time with them, and to be accepted into the premie 'group.' But in reality, there is a lot of trouble in the premie paradise that usually isn't apparent to aspirants. In order to be a premie for any length of time, you have to become very adept at self-deception. It's the only way you can continue for very long, because what Maharaji offers doesn't work, he is about the worst example of a 'loving,' 'caring', 'selfless,' 'detached,' 'spiritual' leader you can think of, and is amazingly materialistic, and after you get to know the premies, you find that many of them are quite unhappy most of the time and are sometimes hiding in the premie world to avoid dealing with their own lives directly. I know this was true for me as a premie, and I think most ex-premies would agree. On of the ways premies reinforce the self-deception in themselves is to get other people involved. It's kind of the idea that if others are attracted to and get involved with Maharaji, then it MUST be real and the doubts the premie feels are minimized. That's generally how it works. I don't think the premies, for the most part, are being intentionally deceptive, it's done for their own, internal, reasons. Anyway, I can recall being this way myself. Unfortunately, you can get caught in the web of conversion to the premie world in someone's pursuit of their own psychological protection. That's one of the reasons many premies react so negatively to ex-premies. It's because the very existence of ex-premies, let alone what they might say, is a direct challenge to their ability to maintain their own self-deception. That's why most ex-premies are labeled by premies (and Maharaji) as, 'angry', 'confused', 'vindictive', 'in their minds', lacking in 'understanding' and other premie code words that help premies avoid thinking about what the ex-premies are actually saying. So, my advice is to be very careful about being sucked in because the premies are nice and appear sincere. They are in a cult, and below the surface a lot more is going on than you might think. The best of luck to you. And remember, something that appears to be too good to be true, probably is. JW Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:26:36 (EDT)
From: Cosmon Email: None To: JW Subject: A Question Message: I enjoyed your post too J.W and Ricks and V.P's . I don't think that Sahara Rose's question was naive or stupid. Not at all , Rick! Why should the many experiences of being involved with Maharaji not include some positive features ? I have spoken to a number of premies and they do not all fit the descriptions that are given to them on this site. I do not feel the attraction to become a premie . And I hear Maharaji's words as partly manipulative and boring although as I hinted in my earlier posts I sometimes also hear him say things that I can really relate to. Another question I have for everyone is ; was it not a spiritual need that got you involved in the first place ? And if so , what has happened to that need now ? I realise that one or two of you have already addressed this ; such as Bobby ; but what of the rest of you ? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:36:59 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Cosmon Subject: A Question Message: I no longer trust that particular need. I hope someday to be more balanced about it all but for now I prefer to do some repairs to the neglected parts of me. RE: benefits, I learned how to travel without any money. Can't think of much else at the moment. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 18:44:23 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Cosmon Subject: Think, Cosmon Message: Why should the many experiences of being involved with Maharaji not include some positive features ? Cosmon, No, no, Cosmon. You tell us why the experience should include some 'positive features'. Come on, let's hear it. I have spoken to a number of premies and they do not all fit the descriptions that are given to them on this site. And how's that? I do not feel the attraction to become a premie . And I hear Maharaji's words as partly manipulative and boring although as I hinted in my earlier posts I sometimes also hear him say things that I can really relate to. Again, like what? What has Maharaji said that's the least bit impressive? Another question I have for everyone is ; was it not a spiritual need that got you involved in the first place ? And if so , what has happened to that need now ? I realise that one or two of you have already addressed this ; such as Bobby ; but what of the rest of you ? A 'spiritual need'? What's that? Bobby's all wrapped up in a spiritual belief system. I take it you are too. I also take it that you're impressed by empty spiritual bullshit, such as what Maharaji offers. Really, I'd be interested in hearing what you find worthwhile in his dummytalk and what you find partly manipulative and boring. Care to tell us that too? By the way, are you Keith? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 19:19:37 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Cosmon Subject: My answer, anyway Message: Cosmon: You said, 'was it not a spiritual need that got you involved in the first place ? And if so , what has happened to that need now ?' - Those are good/honest questions that deserve the same, in answer to them. - To the first question, the answer is Yes. Not much else I can add to that. - To the second question, it was supplanted with the truth. I don't believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-pervasive, personal godhead figure. I've supplanted that antiquated belief system with the truth of scientific knowledge. If there is a 'god,' per se, then I believe it is the sum-total of all of us and everything else in the universe, as we know it. But since that hasn't been proven, I'm not inclined to really give it much credence (maybe a little, but not much). Until otherwise proven, pure physical science is the only thing that I know to be 'true.' At least I can 'see' it with some regularity. - A third question that you should have asked was, 'what drove this spiritual desire?' I'll answer that with a couple more questions that I cannot answer: What drives the 'search for something more?' Why aren't we satisfied with what we have? Isn't what we have enough? After all, we are alive, isn't that good enough? Why does there have to be 'more'....whatever 'more' means. I think a portion of this can be explained with genetics (something we've only BEGUN to understand). Do hints/remnants of my memories, fears, thoughts, etc get passed along to my proginy? I don't know, but if they did, it sure would explain alot of this nonsense. - Of all of the 'gurus' at the time, M came across (dare I say it) as the most sincere (shudder, shudder). He was kind of my last attempt (and there were many, many attempts) to find someone that knew 'THE ANSWER.' All charletans, to the man/woman. When 'god' never manifested him/herself to me, I began to ask if there was such a thing. Believing the biblical saying, 'knock and the door shall be opened,' I set about asking 'god' to answer my cries. Hearing none, I asked again and again and.... So far, I haven't heard him/her speak up. Nothing, nada, zilch. That doesn't appear so 'merciful' to me, thank you. - So, now I ask you Cosmon, why should I spend what little is left of my life searching for an answer that isn't coming? I think I should spend that time ENJOYING what I have (wife, kid, friends, etc) and trying to make things a little better for the next generation. I've found that applying some real 'sweat' in support of environmental issues to be much more rewarding and worthwhile than wasting precious time 'searching' for something I don't even know exists. - So there it is. It may not be what you want to hear, but it is the truth from my 'seat.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 19:41:10 (EDT)
From: Cosmon Email: None To: Mike , Selena And Jim Subject: My answer, anyway Message: Thankyou Selena . And Mike for that well thought out response . Mike, I can relate to your words but I am finding myself , that some quantum mechanics and the like (Penrose, Hawking and others ) and physics in general offer a very interesting way to connect science and spiritual experience. The final solutions are not theoretical I believe. Jim , I am not Keith ; and I cannot relate to your position which seems to be lacking some important ingredients necessary for meaningful discussion. So I shall choose not to answer your questions to me . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 22:19:06 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Cosmon Subject: My answer, anyway Message: Jim , I am not Keith ; and I cannot relate to your position which seems to be lacking some important ingredients necessary for meaningful discussion. I think what I'm lacking are those extra spaces before your punctuation marks. Sorry. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 19:37:16 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: Cosmo Subject: A Question Message: Why should the many experiences of being involved with Maharaji not include some positive features ? Cosmo, That's not the point, Cosmo. The point is that the main features of following maharaji are negative: 1. surrender the reigns of your life to maharaji 2. give him money 3. spend a fortune flying to hear him give boring lectures 4. watch stupid videos 5. speak a language with stupid buzzwords that mean nothing 6. stop thinking intelligently about life 7. alienate your friends and relatives 8. feel guilty about enjoying physical/material pleasures Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 23:38:31 (EDT)
From: Judith Email: None To: Cosmon Subject: A Question Message: Another question I have for everyone is ; was it not a spiritual need that got you involved in the first place ? Cosmon I want to answer this as best I can because I have been thinking about the same thing as recently as last night, and also it's a totally appropriate question for a Forum like this, I think. My meanindering thinking went this way; well didn't I want what Maharji was offering? Wasn't I asking for it, and he said he had it? It did take two to tango. So when I remove him and his answer, I am still left with the responisbility for what I believed he would give me. For example, I was not around when he claimed to be Lord of the Universe, but as a kind of sub-tone I was told he was 'it' by the premies after the videos. That he was like JC. Whatever that meant to me. Like, whatever Lord of the Universe meant to others. What do these terms mean, and to whom? Anyway, yeah I think Mike mentioned asking a lot and not getting answers. Well in a similar process it finally occured to me that maybe it made sense that a guru could take you to the door, but only you could open it. A guru you felt some kinship or relationship with. That was the mythology I heard (before M). But the door to what? In my belief system, the door to the garden, from whence we came and had all be thrown out of or lost. Paradaise, bliss, safety, nirvana, original innocence, infinite one-ness. etc. So I suppose I saw M as a big midwife, in a way. My pain had brought me to the point of being willing to let go of 'the world' in order to achieve this 'bliss' and the absence of pain in a healthy way. Well, these days I am finding it seems to be quite an organic thing in life to 'go through doors' in one's own development and therefore to find peace, albeit temporary, from struggle. I was just talking to my daughter and remembering the process of birth - it's an assertive process with it's own rhythm. There comes a point when you want to give up, and that's when you are supposed to remember you are close to giving birth. Well for a long time that was my mantra, and I suppose it still is one of the wisest things I know. I suppose I have fallen back on some 'postiive' parts of the New Age teachings involving what people learnt from rebirthing etc, about LIFE. Life is a process that we are a part of, and it does have its own laws, results and processes. I believe in that. Therefore, at the moment, I believe in life itself. I really do. And at times of great darkness, I try and believe in myself. That takes a lot of strength, and gives self esteem, which is something I have been low on. Thanks for your question Cosmon. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 12:40:21 (EDT)
From: Jesus Email: None To: Jim Subject: If Cosmon isn't Keith... Message: Then I'm not God. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 08:27:15 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Jesus Subject: If Cosmon isn't Keith... Message: Nice of you to finally admit it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 17:59:16 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: Cosmon Subject: My answer re motivation Message: Dear Cosmon In response to your question: I’m not quite sure what a 'spiritual need' is - suspect you’d find different people coming up with different things if you asked them (including 'doesn’t exist'). In MJ’s context, a 'spiritual need' is, I guess, a need to have an internal experience that’s satisfying. This probably was a factor in my coming to MJ. It certainly was a factor in the length of time I stayed (20 years). MJ’s meditation worked for me on that level. Do I still have that need? Yes. What do I do now to satisfy it? I 'go inside' when I want to - don’t meditate in a particular way or time or order any more. But do need, and enjoy, an experience of the energy of life. (You might like to see the site Sir David, who posts here, has set up for another perspective on how you can 'go inside', without the need for a guru.) Getting into nature and having a lovely lover also help meet that need - seems to me the inner and the outer aren’t so far apart as MJ paints them. Which brings up another point. A general 'need' for something - love, deep experience, to give yourself to something, to let go, whatever - can find satisfaction in various ways. MJ, along with various religious traditions (but not all), defines which of the possible ways is the best - maybe even which is 'right'. A lot of the process of being a premie is a process of framing your human needs in a certain way - you work on seeing all need as a 'longing' for MJ and Knowledge. Once I thought this was a healthy process. I don’t any more. I think while we’re alive, we should engage with life in the form of other people, society and the environment. So I now meet my needs for love, deep experience etc through a much wider range of avenues than I did as a premie. Feels good. Maybe I’ll have to narrow the avenues down when I’m dying (does MJ still talk about that all the time?) but I don’t think the purpose of life is to practice for being dead. I want to live life fully in all its aspects. So I now think some 'spiritual' needs are well-met on a 'worldly' stage. I now work in a field where I think I can do something useful - getting there took some effort - study, applying for jobs etc, having a vision of what I wanted to do. I’m involved with some community groups (small, democratic ones - the cult radar is out constantly). I enjoy my friends and family, try to be a good mum - not only for the kids but because it’s something I WANT TO DO. Applies to my community involvement too. No 'selfless service' here - I now think that’s just a breeding-ground for unconscious motivations. Another motivation for my coming to MJ was, I think, a desire to be with other people who cared about the 'spiritual' side of life (for want of a better word). Given my expanded understanding of what that is, I don’t find (most) premies real useful for that any more. I’ve found various people over the years who now fill this need - some ex-premies, mostly people who have no interest in MJ. At one stage I considered checking out more formal groups with a spiritual bent which included a democratic approach - like maybe the Quakers or the Unitarians - but I haven’t seriously got into doing it. Life is full already, and I may well have had enough of organised groups I think. Oh - I also sing, dance, paint and grow things: very good for meeting 'spiritual needs'! Love, Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 23:52:44 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: SaharaRose Subject: A Question Message: >Recently I have been listening to the 'Live at Long Beach' CD. I am captivated by the words and emotions expressed in all of the songs. The love and devotion in those songs is so uplifting .. Thats the good part. Maharaji speaks about the importance of each person experiencing what is truely their own life. Not the daily actions, transient thoughts and personalities that we act out, but a more fundamental feeling that exists inside of us . Solving problems and dealing with the good and bad times is necessary. Raise the priority of the simple awareness of the gift of our existence. That is the fundamental message. The mind is great but love is the source of the most beautiful feelings. That is what I have learned in my years of listening to Maharaji. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:07:02 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: A Question Message: Maharaji speaks about the importance of each person experiencing what is truely their own life. Not the daily actions, transient thoughts and personalities that we act out, but a more fundamental feeling that exists inside of us . Chris, Don't tell me that you, too, are going to start putting extra spaces before your punctuation marks(to wit: 'inside of us .). Not you too, Chris. Please, dear brother, I AM in touch with the fundamental feeling that exists inside. Fear, right? That's the feeling isn't it? Fear that everyone's going to punctuate like Keith? Chris, I am feeling this feeling within inside and it's cutting so deep I can't tell you. First I thought it was just a transient personality I was acting out but then I realized .... Chris, it is absolutely stupid to think that there is a FEELING that exists within us whether we feel it or not. Stupid, you hear me? Stupid. Flies in the face of science. Dumb. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:21:40 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jim Subject: What's so bad about that Message: I forgot to mention why your philosophy SUCKS. You know that story Maharaji used to tell about the deer in the forest smelling its own musk and going nuts looking everywhere ELSE for it? When all the deer really wanted, I guess, was a little time to itself in its college dorm (ahem, ahem!)? Remember how we all took that to heart, understanding that the Lord had planted perfect peace WITHIN INSIDE of us (for those who don't know, that was just some stupid cult jargon, liek the word 'experience', Maharaji used to beat us over the head with)? We believed him when he told us that there was an ocean of bliss inside just behind our crappy mind. So we scrubbed away at our selves like obsessive compulsives washing a million times a day, striving for some unattainable state of 'cleanliness'. But, Chris, what if there IS no such hidden musk? What if that's just some old, pre-scientific wive's tale? Wouldn't it be terrible to spend the rest of your life trying to scrape away at your real life looking for some imaginary treasure? What would you call that? Hell, maybe? That's what you remind me of. Love, my friend, is an emotion. It's not a constant ocean awaiting all who can find it. That is the single most destructive part of Maharaji's teaching. And of coruse it's particularly insidious given its apparent attraction. Talk about siren call. No way, Jose! Your guru is a fraud and you know it. He's been fucking at least one mistress making a mockery of his holy marriage, smoking dope, getting drunk, wallowing in self-pity and grandiosity, cowering in the face of any question or criticism and getting disgustingly fat and rich on the backs of his suckers like you. You know it. We know it. He knows it. Go fuck yourself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:22:08 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: A Question Message: >Chris, it is absolutely stupid to think that there is a FEELING that exists within us whether we feel it or not. Stupid, you hear me? Stupid. Flies in the face of science. Dumb. You are right. It is stupid to think about a feeling, better to feel it. It can be technically 'stupid' to stare at a beautiful sky, but it feels good. Don't forget that science is just our set of models for what really exists. Now, tell me that you don't get a good feeling banging on that 'stupid' guitar - g. And you wish you were a rock star instead of a lawyer. CD 'If a 6 was a 9, I don't mind' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 00:36:40 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: CD Subject: If 6 turned out to be 9...nt Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 01:04:47 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: I feel good! Message: You are right. It is stupid to think about a feeling, better to feel it. Who says? Not me. But wouldn't you like to know how the brain works? Come on, dingbat, give me a straight answer. Yes or no? It can be technically 'stupid' to stare at a beautiful sky, but it feels good. What is this shit? Who the fuck ever said it was stupid to stare at a beautiful sky? This is abssoltuely ridiculous cult programming, Chris, baby. Your guru's talking through you, squirt. And HE is stupid. These patjhetic straw men arguments that ONLY a cult member could love. How embarrassing! Don't forget that science is just our set of models for what really exists. Oh, is that how it works? Now, tell me that you don't get a good feeling banging on that 'stupid' guitar - g. Again, who in the world ever said sex, music, art, sex, natural beauty or sex were stupid? This is just crazy shit you're talking, Chris. Crazy. And you wish you were a rock star instead of a lawyer. You got that right...... Relevance? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 01:08:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jim Subject: Read this, not that Message: Sorry, I did it again. Here's how that should have looked: You are right. It is stupid to think about a feeling, better to feel it. Who says? Not me. But wouldn't you like to know how the brain works? Come on, dingbat, give me a straight answer. Yes or no? It can be technically 'stupid' to stare at a beautiful sky, but it feels good. What is this shit? Who the fuck ever said it was stupid to stare at a beautiful sky? This is abssoltuely ridiculous cult programming, Chris, baby. Your guru's talking through you, squirt. And HE is stupid. These patjhetic straw men arguments that ONLY a cult member could love. How embarrassing! Don't forget that science is just our set of models for what really exists. Oh, is that how it works? Now, tell me that you don't get a good feeling banging on that 'stupid' guitar - g. Again, who in the world ever said sex, music, art, sex, natural beauty or sex were stupid? This is just crazy shit you're talking, Chris. Crazy. And you wish you were a rock star instead of a lawyer. You got that right...... Relevance? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 01:52:26 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: clever Message: Jim, you are a clever guy. The old 1-2 double whammy for that extra special emphasis. >But wouldn't you like to know how the brain works? Yeah, I'm curious too. Nobody knows how the brain works. And nobody knows how the heck this earth came to be. Not even you. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 14:01:20 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: CD Subject: Clever is as clever does! Message: Since nobody knows anything, why waste your time following MJ. He doesn't know anything more about your soul than you do. His must have turned black long ago from all the lies he's told. He does know how to make a buck though, and he does know how to seduce an audience (at least one where the majority believes he's the Lord of the Universe). If there's one thing we could all learn from MJ though, it's NEVER LEAVE ROOM FOR DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU DESERVE THE BEST AND THE MOST. Do you really think we are so important that the Lord of the Universe would come to save us? If there is a god, it must still be Saturday or Sunday--its day of rest. All I know for sure is that it hasn't sent me a post card. I did get a few thank you notes for the cash from headquarters though. You know--the card with the mug shot of Sant Ji and a lithographed note of thanks with his signature. Of course, he always reminds us that our continued support is needed. Oh, CD, it's a cold cruel world without the Lord of the Universe to save us, but it's also a lot more real. You did bargain for reality, didn't you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:19:08 (EDT)
From: x Email: None To: CD Subject: CD, Why are you here? Message: CD, I really liked Gails response to CD. CD can candycoat it any way he wants, self delude and rationalize and cover everything up with an arrogant, 'I feel sorry for you, that you didnt get it, I did' attitude all he wants, but the bottom line remains. Who's got who's credit card lined up for automatic monthly siphoning? Who can get away with changing their strategies, wordings, etc., to fit the times or country, and never explain any of it? Never address any inconsistency or flaws in their weak watered down homilies and pseudo philosophy? Maybe if Rawat even pretended, even a little to practice what he preaches, I would cut him some slack. CD, if Rawat is really concerned with spreading the beautiful knowledge to eveyone, really wants to make 'it' available to eveyone on the planet, then why does he eat up so many resources that could help that goal, to fuel his insatiable greed for luxury and high living? Really, why? Maybe because he's not who he says he is? Maybe because he wants your money for himself? Did you read KK'S posts a couple months back? Do you think she made it all up? This is pointless arguing with you, you're obviously committed for life, but are you really? Why are you still here? A truly devoted premie who has no doubts and follows his masters advice, would not be on the internet at all, let alone on the EX-PREMIE site, are you a masochist or something? Does it make your faith feel stronger to ccmpare yorself with the lost and alienated ex's? Tell us your motivation for tenaciously sticking around here in the snakepit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 00:46:13 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: x Subject: X is a mystery Message: >Tell us your motivation for tenaciously sticking around here in the snakepit. I find premies and ex-premies to be an interesting sort of people. Practice makes perfect. And, I still have a vague memory of that movie 'The Man From Planet X'. >A truly devoted premie who has no doubts and follows his masters advice, would not be on the internet at all, Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have gotten into the computer business. Cheers, CD www.cdickey.com Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:18:27 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: x Subject: At least you got an answer Message: I asked CD month ago why he was posting to forum and never got a response. Congrat x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:19:38 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: clever Message: Yeah, I'm curious too. Nobody knows how the brain works. And nobody knows how the heck this earth came to be. Not even you. Do you think we know more about these things than we did two years ago? How about twenty? How about two hundred? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 13:26:27 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim & CD Subject: A small addition Message: Jim: From peering through the Hubble, it appears that what astrophysicists theorized as the way protoplanetary systems evolve is correct. So they DO have a pretty good handle on how the earth came to be, after all. The pictures and spectographs are phenominal and VERY exciting. Check out the photos of protoplanetaries in Orion. AWESOME, is the only way to describe them (HUMBLING works, too). :-) CD: Sorry, but we do have a pretty good handle on how that planets and solar system were formed. Hubble is confirming, with VISUAL evidence, just about every theory concerning that issue. The difference between science and religion, as I see it, is that religion 'thinks' it already has ALL of the answers. Science isn't so sure, so it goes about trying to find them, with appropriate questioning along the way. Jim never said he knew EVERYTHING. He just doesn't believe that religion ever will, because it doesn't even try to find the REAL answers. Religion has had a strangle hold on truth for a long time. Care to argue? How about, 'the earth is flat!' (and any attempt to find it otherwise will result in your death). Tell me that this didn't happen. The 'earth is the center of the universe.' (any attempt to find otherwise will result in excommunication/death/house arrest). Shall I go on? Religion sucks, plain and simple! It, as an entity, was NEVER interested in truth. It's only interest is the subjugation of the people it was supposed to serve. Subjugation through fear (e.g. going to hell, separation form marajie, whatever) is its main tool. Guess what? I'm not going to hell, you know why? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST! Now, prove me wrong! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 13:33:15 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: CD Subject: grammar Message: CD: sorry about the 'how that' in the first sentence. Jeez, my brain goes a million miles per hour and sentences change before my fingers catch up (if they ever do). IT should have been just 'how planets and.....' Sorry. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 16:53:00 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Mike Subject: scientific answers Message: >CD: Sorry, but we do have a pretty good handle on how that planets and solar system were formed. Hubble is confirming, with VISUAL evidence, >Religion has had a strangle hold on truth for a long time. I agree with you. Scientific research is a worthwhile effort of brain power and resources. There is much that can be learned to give us some satisfaction and add variety to our lives. I am not the type of person who wants any church to decree a value for PI or anything. Scientific evidence can also be used to build 'religions'. There is such a thing as the infinite and also the reality that we have to get up in the morning and go do something worthwhile and be slowed down by all those stop lights on the way. A wild combination. Now that we know better the origins of the universe, which did come first, the chicken or the egg? Aw, the wonder of the computer network counting those egg-McMuffins. Have we all gone mad - g? Cheers, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 20:47:04 (EDT)
From: x Email: None To: CD Subject: scientific answers Message: CD, I know I sound a little angry sometimes, but this subject really riles me up. I agree that science doesn't answer everything but that doesn't make Maharajis trip any more true. Just because things like infinity are mysterious and unexplained doesn't mean your warped belief system is true. Premies can be so insensitive, I mean you've been here on the forum a long time right? You've read the stories(plural!) about people committing suicide over this, about people leaving their families to join ashrams, etc. Obviously this cult has hurt a lot of people, including me, does this mean anything to you? Maharaji refuses to acknowledge or address anything negative surrounding his mission, thats not very enlightened is it? Sounds like a 'no talk rule' to me. Maybe I'm even a ittle jealous of people pacified by spirituality, religion etc. Kind of that dumb and happy thing. Sometimes I think its just 'Whatever gets you through the night' and if people are benefiting from it, good for them, even if it's a placebo. It's still sad to watch someone being taken advantage of and not be able to do anything about it. Sincerely x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 21:09:23 (EDT)
From: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: CD Subject: Incomprehensible bullshit Message: There is such a thing as the infinite and also the reality that we have to get up in the morning and go do something worthwhile and be slowed down by all those stop lights on the way What the fuck was that all about? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 at 22:00:47 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Nigel Subject: 3ofmev09rjvbmfkdmdv Message: What the fuck was that all about? I'll tell you, Nige. What it's about is this. Chris is made up of several parts, none predominant. One part of Chris is a smiley-smiley premie, affecting runny-nosed infantilism, running around with his hands clenched on the big, stale, sickly cookie of knowledge, unwilling to loosen his grip for even a minute because, as he knows, someone, somehow has already nibbled way too much around the edges. But, it's still his cookie and it's still sweet (even if the icing blurred long ago in its punishing environment of sweat and drool.) As I say, somebody's chipped away at this thing. It's not as big as it was and it's crumbling more than ever. But, again, it's still his cookie! Chris would like to share his cookie with you -- or me -- but he can't really open his hand. After all, we might just grab it and toss it. Better hold on. Still, Chris wants to share something. So he keeps coming by, showing us in his limited way that -- don't forget -- he's got SOMETHING SPECIAL in his hand. Thanks, Chris, for that. Another part of Chris is the learned little boy. I say 'boy' because love is innocence is premieness is weightless is life is Maharaji is a bowl of cherries. Only a true heart could entertain up close and personal the biggest headache in the history of the logical brain, the final show stopper that reminds us all that folks, that IS just a stage and SOMEONE ( you know who!) is behind the curtain waiting to part it finally, forever and ever and let the REAL show begin -- or if not al lthe way, at elast enough to keep us al going in love and faith, one magic bit at a time -- the headache that brought an early death to Einstein, Darwin, Maxwell and all those other stuffed, overstarched lab coats: the secret of infinity! Chris would warm us up with the real value of PI but only as a precursor. HIS show begins when he demonstrates just how close a true heart can venture to the ineffable magic of infinity without being singed. His wings are humble but so what? He flies by grace and is coated in love. YOU can't do that because you're IN your mind. He, on the other hand, barely has one. Then there is Chris the cynic. How else can such an open heart live in this World Without Shame? You think visiting this test tube of pestilence is easy for anyone, let alone a man of truth? Think again or maybe don't. It might be a little painful. Well it should be a little painful for somebody. Someone's got pay for trying to wipe that determined smile of that sucker. Someone's pulling a little hard on that rope, someone's getting his palm burnt and even IF he had two hands on the rope and let go of that damned cookie, no one's going to pull him nowhere. No one, not even Maharaji REALLY tells Chris what to do. And why? Because he's got knowledge, he's a Certified Microsoft Somethingorother and he can go where he fucking well pleases, even here. So Chris -- Mr. Independent -- comes here on HIS terms, you know? He doesn't have to actually communicate, but he will when he wants. On topic, off topic, no one tells Chris what to do! Not even his girlfriend, not even his favorite old, dead rock star. Rational discussion is SO enslaving. And why bother when we don't know the secret of pi? Can't anyone else but Maharaji see that? You'd be cynical too, Nige, if you had the vision. Chris lonely? Hardly. After all, he's got us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 11:39:11 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim Subject: 3ofmev09rjvbmfkdmdv Message: Jim: I like your 'subject line.' ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 18:41:25 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Everyone Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: Hey Kids!!! Now that Rick, Katie, and Peter have spilled the beans, be sure to watch for me and my limo at a Chinese restaurant in YOUR neighborhood! You'll have a free dinner AND darshan; what more could you want??? See ya 'round! JSCA, Mickey the Pharisee Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:00:17 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: Yeeee haw! When is the premie-mobile coming my way, daddy? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:07:10 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Mike and Jerry Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: Just like so much in this life, you never really know when it will happen; just wait for further instructions, or, spend all of your time hanging around Chinese restaurants in your neighboorhood. It's a lot cheaper than following me all over the planet when I decide to hold an 'event!' Hope you like baked squid with spicy salt and pepper, 'cause that's all I'm buying; ask Katie and Peter. Miragie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:15:12 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Miragie Message: Miragie: (in a really whiney, sniveling voice) Could I have my squid raw? I really do prefer it that way ...snivel...snivel Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:38:15 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: I started jumping for joy thinking goody, goody, but when I got to the baked squid part I suddenly lost my enthusiasm. You can be a real bummer, M, you know that? Just like always, setting a guy up to thinking the kingdom is his and in the end all it is, is baked squid. Yuch! Mike seems game, though. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 16:58:13 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Sushi Message: Jerry: You know the old saying, 'When the lord deals you squid, make sushi.' or something like that..... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 21:25:06 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: Sushi Message: I think you have a much more positive attitude about squid than I do, Mike. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:00:49 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: Me next! Me next! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:09:23 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: O My guru mariachi, If I give you my love, will you give me a piece? I mean, peace? Your humble servant, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:14:46 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: eb Subject: Hey Kids!!! Message: Hey, are you that photographer-lady that Durga told me to keep away from the Residence? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 19:20:46 (EDT)
From: the photo-lady Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Oh no, Message: I guess I've blown my cover. eb BTW, the check is in the mail. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 22:48:45 (EDT)
From: x Email: None To: M the P Subject: great prank Message: This whole mess is so bizarre, that even I halfway believed the limo story, then I remembered that bm is way to boring and uninteresting to do something as brilliant as the headtrip you guys invented. If bm were cooler he would really pull something like this off just to fuck with everybody. Too bad bm is such a stale predictable stick in the mud. A sense of humor is just not part of his greedy, materialistic nature. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Aug 27, 1998 at 22:53:32 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: x Subject: well YOU would know.... Message: Hansi!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 01:04:35 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: g's mom Subject: well YOU would know.... Message: Dear g's mom, LOL. x as Hansi. What a crack up. But how do YOU know, g's mom? Could you actually be...? O mother of god, do you give darshan? Yours in jest, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 00:33:32 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: x Subject: great prank Message: Yes x , I wrote someone email today with almost those exact words. I said that if he did pull something like that than I would like him a little more, but that I knew he would never be that creative and also, he is too involved in his trip to even think of something like this. We are on the same wavelength about this one. Great minds think alike I guess. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 02:05:54 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Rick/Katie et al Subject: Messing with my head.... Message: I have to tell you that when I woke this morning and read that 'Guess who's coming to dinner thread?' I didn't believe it, and then I did, and then I didn't. It's funny what rings true. The limo didn't because he loves driving his fancy cars too much (especially when he's being responsible and not driving and drinking), picking up the tab for the meal, well pigs might fly - and why would Katie and Peter proceed to the restaurant after coming face to face with the LOTU. In reality, I'm sure they would have either gone straight to an Internet cafe to tell us about it or they would have made a quick exit to a sidestreet in order to throw up. Anyway, the fact that I even believed it for a split second left me feeling depressed and my head confused. As Gail noted, if you were gullible enough to believe he was a Perfect Master, then you're gullible enough to believe a story like that. How depressing for me to be so gullible. I don't know whether I'm tired or what have you - but my head feels fried with all of this. Time to take a big break, methinks... Regards, TD (TD doesn't stand for The Defector anymore, rather Tired Depresshead) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 11:19:46 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: TD Subject: Don't be so serious Message: TD: Don't get down on yourself so much. HEY, it WAS a great WHOPPER. One of the best I've ever heard and well put together, too. Just plausible enough to be.... K, P & Rick knew what they were doing and it was great wasn't it? Hey Rick, are you an author? If not, you should be. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 13:32:03 (EDT)
From: I think Rick Email: None To: Mike Subject: made it up... Message: ...or maybe Mickey the P did it. I am having a REALLY hard time seeing Katie as the author of that story, especially after knowing her so well. She has a great sense of humor but I don't see her accusing someone of being M-even for a prank. I say this because once someone on the forum accused her of working for M and even though it was a JOKE she was upset about it. It doesn't make sense that she would tell a story that might make other people paranoid about someone, even as a joke. But I have been wrong before :) Thinking too much, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 14:36:09 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: VP Subject: made it up... Message: VP: - I have only been on the forum a short time, so I haven't learned all of the personalities, yet. I hope to, though. Given that little piece of info, I agree with you. I don't think she would tell a story like that (unless, maybe there were MAJOR collusion going on). BTW, thanks for the info because I wouldn't want to hurt her feelings with a 'joke,' for sure! My jokes can be a little dry, so built-in misunderstandings wouldn't be a good thing. THANKS! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 15:57:12 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: I think Rick Subject: made it up... Message: VP, I was only relating the story--Katie indeed said that Mickey the P was maharaji. As I said in an earlier post, I was hesitant to relay the information but Katie said, 'No, no, post it.' So I did. If it was a prank, she's a damn good actress, but as I also said earlier, she seemed a bit more mischevious in person than in her posts. Also, she understood my own humor in person, which she hasn't always done on the forum, so I think that some of the things that upset her in text, wouldn't upset her in person. I can say this though... if Katie was pulling a prank, I'm sure she meant no harm. Anyone who knows her would know that. We'll just have to wait until she returns to see what she has to say now. I know I've certainly gone out on a limb for her, in representing her, and I hope she's got a good explanation if she was yanking my chain the whole time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Aug 28, 1998 at 16:50:23 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Rick Subject: made it up... Message: I can say this though... if Katie was pulling a prank, I'm sure she meant no harm. Anyone who knows her would know that. And as far as I can see, no harm was done. It's a great story. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 14:59:09 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Selene Subject: made it up... Message: I agree, no harm done. The story was hilarious and much needed. Katie does have a GREAT sense of humor! Is anyone really paranoid?? I doubt it, I was just seeing if I could get an admission out of Rick :) Hey, Katie, ignore that post three above this one, OK? Mike, Katie is really cool. She likes a good joke, so you can tease her all you want. She'll let you know if you step over the line. (Just don't say she works for Maharaji-BLECH!) Hey, did you really chase Maharaji with Scott? Oh, I'd love to have seen that. Can we put that in our movie, too? We have to have a car chase, or it's not a real movie. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 11:36:11 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: VP Subject: didn't make THIS up.... Message: VP: YES YES YES :-), we did REALLY chase miragie up the Pacific Coast Highway at VERY high speeds (like a gazillion miles per hour). We were camped in the lot across from his house, at the time. We decided to chase him when we saw that he was 'going for a ride' in his new mercedes. I 'think' he may have been trying to lose us because he was heading towards the ranch that he used to visit. If you saw the picture of him on the horse, I think that is the ranch. Again, not absolutely certain about the destination, but he was MOST DEFINITELY going much faster than the speed limit (like he was trying to lose us). We let him go once he pulled along side and stared at us. Everyone in the car did pranam, except me. I wanted to 'see' his face (man, I was a dope, wasn't I). Oh yeah, when I say everyone, I mean the driver (scott), too. Here we are, blitzing around some pretty sharp curves and scott is doing pranam on the steering wheel. WHEW, we really are lucky to be alive....we really were damn dumb! But hey, it makes for a great story, now. HEY SCOTT, they want to put us in a movie!!!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:31:44 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Mike Subject: HILARIOUS! Message: Scott pranamed (is that a word??) while driving? I knew he was multi-talented, but this beats all! Thanks for sharing that story-it's a hoot. I'm glad you are both still alive, too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 14:46:38 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: VP Subject: HILARIOUS! Message: VP: I hadn't heard about the 'movie' before, but you do have a chase seen, now. By the way, we really did blow-thru a couple of red lights, too. So where's the script? he he he. I'm just letting my imagination go and this idea is getting pretty funny.... ;-) Could you picture some of the personalities here in a movie about a cult experience? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 17:05:24 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Mike Subject: HILARIOUS! Message: Mike, if you havent' seen our various threads about casting the movie, it's definitly worth an archive search. Some of the ideas were hilarious. Ones I recall: Danny DiVito - big M Bo Derek or Linda Evans - Durga Julian Sands and ? - the beautiful people couple that hung around M all the time (can never remember their names) Jennifer Lopez Dya Courteney Love - your's truly :) Bradd Pitt VP Kevin Kline Jim (actually I just made that up now) James Woods Rick (ditto I think James Woods was taken by someone else) that's all my poor mind can dredge up at the moment. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 17:24:13 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Selene Subject: Now that's... Message: FUNNY. Selene, I will do an archive dive. I don't know about Jim's casting, though. I think Steve Segal might be better...snicker...snicker. Segal: 'Damit, YOU WILL BE AN ATHIEST OR I WILL TWIST YOUR ARM OFF AT THE ROOT, do ya hear me?' he he he. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 20:56:51 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Mike Subject: Now that's... Message: Mike, John wrote some really funny posts earlier about doing an Andy Warhol type movie about the cult experience. We were going to have a scene with Sir David guarding the cheese. People keep adding scenes to the movie, but it did need a car chase. We still need a sex scene though... Then there were a couple threads about who would play the Holi family. I think Roseanne Barr was Mata Ji and Herve Villache??(Da plan! da plane!) for Maharaji. Bo Derek for Marolyn. I can't remember the rest. There was another thread where people wrote who would play the ex-premies. Katie had some good ones. Selene, who was going to play Katie? JW? Steven Segal would be good for Jim, except that Steven is way too dumb-or can't act, not sure which. (You got the strong arm part right, though) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 23:12:59 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: VP Subject: Now that's... Message: Gunther and Shelly, those were the names of the M friend couple. Katie - wasn't it Sissy Spacek? Dont' remember about JW. Who will be Sir David? I picture him starting at that refridgerator door, somehow I get an image of Jeff Bridges in the Big Lebowski. Who was Raja Ji and Bhole Ji? Selene.. I need a life!! :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Sep 01, 1998 at 11:05:37 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: VP Subject: No sex... Message: VP: Sorry, I didn't see anyone having sex on his lawn at the time. Can't help you there...BUT, I'm glad our car chase was good for 'something.' (Aw, darn it... neither car exploded. Do you still think it's usable?) LOL LOL Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 1998 at 15:04:52 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Rick Subject: A faux pas Message: Rick, You are right, Katie would NEVER try to hurt anyone or make them paranoid. She is so great, and she can be mischevious. I was trying to get you to admit you made that story up, if you did. BTW, you are blowing my reputation as a psychic-so just admit I'm right (wink wink) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Sep 03, 1998 at 22:42:06 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: all Subject: What Really Happened in CA... Message: Hey, we just got home from vacation last night and there were two threads on what we did in California. (I hope it wasn't THAT bad, guys!) It was pretty funny, but somewhat unnerving too. Here's some true facts about what really happened there, as seen thru my subjective filter. 1. Michael (a.k.a. Mickey the Pharisee) is NOT Maharaji. Nor did Maharaji appear, either with or without a limo, during the whole time we were in California, for which I am truly grateful. 2. But, while we were visiting Michael, he did mention that he had volunteered to play Bal Baghwan Ji in the ex-premie movie version of 'The Maharaji Story'. 3. The next night when we were visiting Rick, we were talking about how Bill Burke thought some of the premies who had posted on the site were Maharaji (a.k.a. Rawat). Being in a uncharacteristically frivolous frame of mind induced by Rick's presence, I said something like 'I should post that Mickey is really Maharaji, and really get Bill's goat.' Rick offered to post it for me, but then demurred for fear he might offend Mickey. I, having just met Mickey, knew he wouldn't be offended, so I told Rick to go ahead and post it. However, the rest of the story about Mickey Maharaji (the limo, etc.) is completely Rick's invention. I am not that creative and/or diabolical. I did think it was funny as hell, and I sure hope everyone else thought so too. 4. Incidentally, Michael would be GREAT for the role of Maharaji in the movie version of this site, although he might require quite a bit of makeup and padding. The guy can act...plus he's a good preacher too. 5. The story about the moths getting into the light fixture was suggested by Rick and elaborated on by Rick and my husband. 6. If anyone is going to Northern California, I highly recommend that they take the time to see JW, Michael, and Rick. All are really great people, and have very nice significant others/children/pets. Plus they all like good food and either know how to cook, or how to order a good meal in a restaurant. 7. The squid with spicy salt and pepper is very good, and I recommend that highly as well. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 01:41:25 (EDT)
From: Rick Email: None To: Katie Subject: What Really Happened in CA... Message: Being in a uncharacteristically frivolous frame of mind induced by Rick's presence... Oh, I get it... Rick is maharaji. Right, then. However, the rest of the story about Mickey Maharaji (the limo, etc.) is completely Rick's invention. I am not that creative and/or diabolical. Let me get this right: You invented the major theme of the story but all you did was '...say something like'. I added the props and the window dressing, but I am diabolical. How did you manage to get off so easily? Rick -no peace without justice Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Sep 04, 1998 at 02:38:43 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Rick Subject: What Really Happened in CA... Message: Dear Rick - I can't get the line about my being 'uncharacteristically frivolous' to paste. However, what I mean by that is that I liked you and that I was in a good mood. Got that, tunahead? I suppose you would have preferred it if I would thrown your vegan dinner in the garbage?? You wrote: Let me get this right: You invented the major theme of the story but all you did was '...say something like'. I added the props and the window dressing, but I am diabolical. How did you manage to get off so easily? Gosh Rick, I had no idea that you would dislike being called diabolical. If you want, I'll claim all credit for masterminding the plot, but I didn't think guys liked that kind of stuff... You also wrote: no peace without justice You ain't just a'whistling Dixie there, pal. However, I think the current situation is definitely too minor to apply THAT principle to. Love from your friend, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |