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From: Oct 8, 1998 |
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petebear -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:11:21 (EDT) __Selene -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:46:57 (EDT) ____steven -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:32:54 (EDT) __Gerry -:- Effects of the BM cult -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:49:36 (EDT) __Jim -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:25:16 (EDT) ____steven -:- NO HELP NEEDED -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:45:18 (EDT) ______Gerry -:- Funny! -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:06:22 (EDT) ____Sir David -:- The crux of the matter -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:27:33 (EDT) ______steven -:- The crux of the matter -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:52:51 (EDT) __JW -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:01:44 (EDT) ____steven -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:21:25 (EDT) ______JW -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:32:36 (EDT) ________Sir David -:- A good example of it -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 15:21:38 (EDT) __________Helen -:- A tip o' the hat -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 18:26:26 (EDT) ______Gail -:- Steve, have you talked to MJ -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 18:06:44 (EDT) ________Mike -:- Oh my god... -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 18:27:43 (EDT) __________To Gail -:- Post of the day-my vote -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 22:20:19 (EDT) __Helen -:- Effects of this forum -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:23:36 (EDT) Jim -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 00:05:29 (EDT) __steven -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 00:44:45 (EDT) ____jethro -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 02:40:05 (EDT) ______Selene -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:11:52 (EDT) ______steven -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:20:04 (EDT) ________jethro -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:44:39 (EDT) ____Mike -:- Where we Come From -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:51:31 (EDT) Jim -:- Anyone notice? -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:30:42 (EDT) __jethro -:- Anyone notice? -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 02:44:21 (EDT) ____Jim -:- Anyone notice? -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:29:07 (EDT) ______jethro -:- Anyone notice? -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:04:16 (EDT) ________Mike -:- Anyone notice? -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 15:18:54 (EDT) __________jethro -:- Anyone notice? -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 19:58:24 (EDT) Mickey the Pharisee -:- Sage Advice about Enjoyinglife -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:27:08 (EDT) __Mike -:- Oh my: -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:37:05 (EDT) ____steven -:- Oh my: -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:20:35 (EDT) ______Mike -:- Oh my: -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:26:29 (EDT) ________steven -:- Oh my: -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:31:50 (EDT) __________Mike -:- Well.... -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:39:02 (EDT) ____________steven -:- Well.... -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:39:28 (EDT) ______________Mike -:- OK Then..... -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:31:36 (EDT) ________________Mike -:- Oh yeah, one thing -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:37:07 (EDT) __________________steven -:- Oh yeah, one thing -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:46:05 (EDT) ________________Steven -:- OK Then..... -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:33:01 (EDT) __________________Mike -:- Your questions -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:21:46 (EDT) ____________________Mike -:- A small correction -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:29:38 (EDT) __Jim -:- Sage Advice about Enjoyinglife -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:37:44 (EDT) __steven -:- mickey the phars -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:27:28 (EDT) ____What A -:- JACKASS! -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:29:30 (EDT) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- mickey the phars -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 20:12:40 (EDT) ______steven -:- mickey the phars -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:52:10 (EDT) ________Sister Mary Elephant -:- Bless you! -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:07:34 (EDT) __________steven -:- Bless you! -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:01:11 (EDT) ____________Sam C. -:- And, bless YOU! -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:13:13 (EDT) ______________steven -:- And, bless YOU! -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:44:47 (EDT) ________________Selene -:- 'this' world -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:58:17 (EDT) ________________Sam C. -:- Naivete -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 13:21:50 (EDT) ____________Mickey the Pharisee -:- Bless you! -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:56:05 (EDT) ____Rev John Hammond-Smyth -:- Lord of the Teletubbies -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 20:41:40 (EDT) ______Gerry -:- Sniff, sniff -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:17:59 (EDT) ________steven -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:59:34 (EDT) __________Gerry -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:16:15 (EDT) ____________Jim -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:19:53 (EDT) __________Jim -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:18:04 (EDT) ____________steven -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:40:45 (EDT) ______________Jim -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:32:39 (EDT) ________________steven -:- forget maharaji -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:56:50 (EDT) __________________Sam C. -:- Naivete2 -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 20:56:27 (EDT) ______________Mike -:- last breath -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:55:49 (EDT) ________________Sam C. -:- last breath -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:11:31 (EDT) __________________Mike -:- last breath -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 11:32:40 (EDT) ______steven -:- Lord of the Teletubbies -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:13:34 (EDT) ____Selene -:- mickey the phars -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:37:37 (EDT) __Helen -:- Teletubbies -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:10:00 (EDT) ____eb -:- Teletubbies & me-off topic -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:35:10 (EDT) Mel Bourne -:- Gerry's bile -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:56:24 (EDT) __Gerry -:- Mel 's Piles -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 09:49:14 (EDT) __Jim -:- Gerry's bile -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 10:35:24 (EDT) __Gerry -:- Knowledge Lite strikes again -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 10:56:55 (EDT) __JW -:- Mel's Bile: Passive Aggressive -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 14:00:55 (EDT) ____Mike -:- Face piles of bile with -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:09:24 (EDT) ______Jerry -:- Face piles of bile with -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 09:04:46 (EDT) ________Mike -:- No disagreement -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:26:04 (EDT) Bobby -:- Honk if you love Jesus -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 07:20:06 (EDT) __Robyn -:- Honk if you love Jesus -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:02:18 (EDT) ____Bobby -:- Honk if you love Jesus -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:10:35 (EDT) ______Gerry -:- Bobby, that was hilarious--nt -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 09:51:55 (EDT) __Bill -:- Just a tad revealing !! -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 00:12:06 (EDT) ____Gerry -:- Just a tad revealing !! -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 10:04:34 (EDT) ____Bobby -:- Fer Crissakes Bill, a joke -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:16:32 (EDT) ____Bobby -:- Buddhist/Jehovah Witness Joke -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:23:07 (EDT) ______Mickey the Pharisee -:- Buddhist/Jehovah Witness Joke -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 22:23:00 (EDT) ________Bobby -:- And the classic Buddhist.... -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 07:06:12 (EDT) ____Bobby -:- A Day in Church -:- Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:44:37 (EDT) ______Katie -:- Bobby, I'm shocked! -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 00:09:04 (EDT) ________Bobby -:- Bobby, I'm shocked! -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 07:01:51 (EDT) __________Mike -:- Bobby, I'm amazed -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 11:38:51 (EDT) ____________Bobby -:- Bobby, I'm amazed -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 15:45:57 (EDT) ______________Mike -:- Bobby, you might... -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 19:09:37 (EDT) __________VP -:- Bobby, I'm shocked!-off topic -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 15:16:20 (EDT) ____________Bobby -:- Bobby, I'm shocked!-off topic -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 15:32:24 (EDT) ______________Mike -:- Great Plates, Bobby! -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 18:32:22 (EDT) ______________VP -:- Bobby, I'm confused!-off topic -:- Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 12:12:30 (EDT) ________________Bobby -:- Bobby, I'm confused!-off topic -:- Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 13:18:41 (EDT) __Bobby -:- Honk if you have a big one -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 18:47:39 (EDT) ____Selene -:- good one -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 18:55:20 (EDT) ______Bobby -:- good one -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 19:10:48 (EDT) ________Mike -:- good one -:- Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 19:24:25 (EDT) Jim -:- Maharaji and the pope -:- Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 16:51:58 (EDT) __Diz -:- Maharaji and the pope -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 20:52:00 (EDT) ____Jim -:- Maharaji and the pope -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:02:34 (EDT) Bobby -:- Y2K Solution -:- Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 11:34:45 (EDT) __Sir D -:- Y2K Solution -:- Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 18:56:39 (EDT) ____Selene -:- B. Gate's crap software -:- Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 19:15:02 (EDT) ______Mike -:- Can you say, '..... -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 17:01:35 (EDT) ________Selene -:- Can you say, '..... -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:45:37 (EDT) __________Mike -:- Can you say, '.....Off-topic -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:50:45 (EDT) ____________Selene -:- Can you say, '.....Off-topic -:- Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:02:58 (EDT) __Bill Cooper -:- Y2K Solution -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 03:42:16 (EDT) ____Bobby -:- Y2K Solution -:- Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:09:13 (EDT) |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:11:21 (EDT)
From: petebear Email: petebear@ozemail.com.au To: Everyone Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Hi Guys, I've been enjoying the discussions, joustings, fire, bile and thoughtfulness. I was wondering if anyone else has been having these intermittant experiences with this forum like I have (discussed below). Sometimes after reading through the various threads I find I've entered a really weird head space. I begin to feel like a bit of a 'lost premie'. An it feels really weird indeed. I get so spaced out I lose track of what I am up to. On reflection it feels a bit like the 'afters' of a mild panick attack. I'm disorientated etc. I think this comes about because as I read your discussions and stories I am really 'right back there' to the times I've had in Ashrams, programs, with viedos and tape etc etc etc. In Neuro Linguistic Programming they would talk about 'anchoring'. The power of the emotional experience really 'anchor' the message and the memory. So I think it creates a dualistic internal state. On the one hand quite OK rememberances of remembered 'good times' with the 'Boss'. And at the same time the whole process of remembering and recalling is the context of trying to rid myself of these and other after effects. How have some of you managed to not get too hooked into your own potent emotional and psychological memories - and when you do how do you move on. This doesn't happen always but has happened enough to get me wondering. Its been over 10 years since I quit and over 8 years since I saw him at all. Cheers Peter Howie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:46:57 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: petebear Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Hi I went through that for several months this year. When I first found forum, I was so angry and confused all I wanted was to vent, I guess, and no one seemed to mind. We actually had some really funny discussions and it helped me see the humor in the whole thing. I am not sure how involved in forum you have been or for how long but lately, the last 2 months or so, things have changed for me. I don't have that experience you are talking about anymore. I care about some of the people here, and I read it for the entertainment value. It *is* quite funny and entertaining, viewed from a certain perspective. Also, in some way I hope I am doing somebody some good. Maybe someone who was like me and on the fence and just needed some encouragement to get the hell out. I guess what I am saying is it will pass and evolve into something else for you. M just isn't all that important. Be easy on yourself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:32:54 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Selene Subject: Effects of this forum Message: yea! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:49:36 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: petebear Subject: Effects of the BM cult Message: Peter, I'm not one bit surprised at this reaction you are having. I do wonder how many other people are have the same experience. Personally, I was lucky. I bailed out early. You mentioned anchoring. This is acknowledged in NLP as a naturally occuring phenomena which can be directed towards whatever you want it to. What you are suffering sounds similiar to post traumatic stress syndrome. I would wager most, of not all, Ex's suffer from this to varying degrees. NLP can be very helpful in dealing with this, also. Best of luck to you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:25:16 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: petebear Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Petebear, Have you ever thought that maybe it's your name? I used to have all sorts of problems dealing with the past when I was killed Jimbear. Dropped the 'bear' and felt better immediately. In a week I was out of bed. In three I was back on the job. You might try something like that. (I wouldn't try to take it off yourself though. Here, in Victoria, we've got a guy who's good. Not cheap, but good. But I'd do a net search or ask around.) No, seriously, Pete, I hear what you're saying. Sometimes, maybe jsut to try to take a sympathetic sounding of the harbour, so to speak, so send out my own emotional sonar signals, I've felt some of the premie emotionla palate I'd left behind. Hmmm... what's that taste? Oh yeah, the taste of believing that I no more have to realte to my thoughts that just trying to jam them, once again... that kind of thing. It's not confusing so much as a novelty. Maybe you SHOULD see another video. Really, there's nothing like seeing him to remind one fo the incredible mental gymnastics we went through in worshipping him. See him with a non-premie friend for a real laugh. Make a party of it. Spell out, as you go along, how you were conditioned to respond to this aprt, that part. Talk it out. It's fun, it's therapeutic AND, don't forget, it's helping him in his mission. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:45:18 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Jim Subject: NO HELP NEEDED Message: JIM,BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY THIS.NO INSULT INTENDED. HE DOES NOT NEED YOUR KIND OF HELP. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:06:22 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Funny! Message: Jim, I think the idea of watching the videos with a regular person is a great idea! I need help on this paragraph if you have the time. I can't figure out what you are saying even after I fix the typos. Sometimes, maybe just to try to take a sympathetic sounding of the harbour, so to speak, so send out my own emotional sonar signals, I've felt some of the premie emotional palate I'd left behind. Hmmm... what's that taste? Oh yeah, the taste of believing that I no more have to relate to my thoughts that just trying to jam them, once again... that kind of thing. It's not confusing so much as a novelty. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:27:33 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Anyone Subject: The crux of the matter Message: Aroma therapy has helped many people. But if people tried to make a cult out of it and say it was the ultimate truth and all else was a lie, then that would be ridiculous. So Maharaji has expanded (though now contracting) a cult based upon some old meditation techniques. The cult us crap. It is bullshit and has only helped a very few people, i.e. those who want to be in a master-worship cult. Maharaji is a big liar. He cannot be trusted in any instance. One who proclaimed that he was God on earth and who actually wasn't, is a true fake with no consideration for other people. Therefore most of this forum is turning over the bullshit that people have digested and believed in. You have to really understand and know with certainty that Maharaji's whole trip was bullshit. Then you can leave it and just do your own thing. Then you can forget about those wasted years and leave it all behind. No need to keep turning over the crap to see if it's still there. It is and it will be so long as Maharaji and premies are around. Best to keep both at a safe distance. Maharaji's bullshit has never really helped anyone. Best to leave it alone. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:52:51 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Sir David Subject: The crux of the matter Message: Another planet of the apes keeper of the faith. Is totally afraid of his own face.Can not go beyond his fears so he has to lay them on us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:01:44 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: petebear Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Peter: I think what you are saying is helpful, because I know I have felt some of the same things. That's because what we were in was a cult and the cult programming is very deep. If you were anything like me, you sat for thousands of hours in 'satsang' during your involvement, learned to discount your own values and judgment (aka 'doubt'), and had a whole lot of fear crammed into you while a premie. This causes the premie-bullshit to get woven into your thinking on a very deep level, and they start operating on a visceral level, not a rational one. Hence, those feelings come back when you get reminded of the circumstances under which you last felt them. Even though you know the cult is bullshit, those feelings can still arise, even years later, automatically, given the right stimulus. For me, it manifests as kind of a sick, fearful feeling in my stomach. Even all these years later, when I'm reminded of some situations, I feel it, albeit very briefly. The antedote to that is to drag those feelings up into the light of day and look at them, and talk to others about them. They hate the sunlight, and tend to dry up and die in that environment. And every time you do that, you are a little more free, a little more yourself, and a little less the programmed zombie that Maharaji tried to make us, the little fat jerk! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:21:25 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: JW Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Jw,You poor hurt child.There you go again slandering my teacher. So what. You were never a premie in the first place.You were just a follower that got hurt by the other idiot followers. Maharaji is the kindest, compassionate,truthful,caring person I have met yet.Ha Ha Ha. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:32:36 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: steven Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Well, Steven, you are a hypocrite. You say Gerry doesn't know you and therefore can't judge you and yet here you are doing that to me. Must say, I couldn't care less what you think, and I wonder, if you are as blissfully happy being a premie, why do you care what I, or any other ex-premie for that matter, thinks? Maybe you are kind of fascinated by this discussion, and need to reinforce your own belief system just a little? No, I definitely WAS a premie. This is unfortunate, but true. And his 'idiot followers' [of which I was one, by the way] just parrotted what Maharaji told us, you know, that we were supposed to surrender our lives to him. I heard Maharaji say that repeatedly. I also stayed celibate in his ashram for 9 years because of what I heard him say with my own ears, while I was sitting in front of him, about the awful things that would happen to you if you ever left. No, it wasn't the 'idiot followers' it was Guru Maharaj Ji himself. I was there, I saw and heard it myself. I really was what I claimed to be. I really was a premie and sincerely did what Maharaji said to do. It was Maharaji who wasn't what HE claimed to be: god, the Lord of the Universe, the Superior Power in Person, the Satguru, the messiah, the divine incarnation of god. In fact, he doesn't even claim to be those things anymore. I guess he just thinks we should assume that he used to be god, but isn't anymore. Moreover, while I was celibate in his ashram, donating all my money to him, he was living the life of a king, fucking not only his wife, but a series of mistresses as well. Now I realize it wasn't only his mistresses he was fucking. You say Maharaji is great. How well do you know him. Does he know you? Does he even know your name or know you are alive? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 15:21:38 (EDT)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: JW Subject: A good example of it Message: Like I said above, the cult is crap. This wise soul, steven thinks he knows us all just because he's seen a video or two of maharaji. Well steven, you talk to me about being afraid of going beyond my fears; What do you know about me, nothing. But let me ask you, why do you talk about fear? Why talk about fear when you talk about Maharaji's cult? Are you saying that Maharaji's cult really IS something to be afraid of? You cannot even see how stupid it is that you are saying this. Like most premies who come on this forum, you have a problem communicating. Do you talk to your fellow workmates or business partners in this way. Do you talk to your clients, employees or management in this way? Do you think this kind of talk endears people to you? And if you have children, do you relate to them in this way? I sincerely hope not, for there sake. My dear fellow, you are not relating to us as fellow humans but are talking to us as if we were inferiors, just because we don't agree with yout view of Maharaji. Can't you see how ridiculous that is; how inhuman that is? It is for reasons and examples like this, that I say the cult is crap. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 18:26:26 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Sir David Subject: A tip o' the hat Message: Somebody had to give steven a little feedback about himself, I'm glad it was you in your classy British way. As smooth and unruffled a a Pim's cup. Cheerio. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 18:06:44 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: steven Subject: Steve, have you talked to MJ Message: one on one, or are you back-bench worshipper? Do you actually have a personal relationship with Guru Maharaj Ji? Can you telephone him to chat? Do you get invited over for dinner? Has he ever spoken to you personally? Probably, if your situation is anything like mine was, you are one of the faceless multitude to MJ. You are invited to attend local video events (I went 3 X per week for the last 10 years). You are invited to support MJ's work. You are invited to trapse around the world to see and worship him. You are invited to file by him and kiss his feet if you have the cash to travel to Australia. You are invited to a life of worry, guilt, and fear. Until recently, I was very worried, guilty and fearful myself. I could never talk about my doubts to other local yokels (it is just not done). I was afraid of the consequences to my soul if I did not do satsang, service and meditation. I have been kind to many people even though I didn't want to be because I was afraid of creating bad karma. I was very afraid to post my real name here at first because I was fearful of the consequences. Was I really a Judas (forsaking my Lord and all). Guess what! I don't give a flying fuck if he's GOD INCARNATE, SATING, LILLITH IN DISGUISE, OR MERELY AN ENTERPRISING SCHMUCK (most likely)--I hate the bastard. One good reason for hating him is the effect he has had upon you. He has turned you from a prince to an incoherent, mindless parrot. Stevie want a cracker? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 18:27:43 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Gail Subject: Oh my god... Message: Gail: You made me spit cheez-its all over my keyboard. That 'ending' was totally unexpected! bwaaach...we...whew, Stevie wanna... Jeez you are funny, Gail! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 22:20:19 (EDT)
From: To Gail Email: None To: All Subject: Post of the day-my vote Message: Gail, Now THAT was funny! Patty sez, 'nicely said, isn't that getting to the root of the matter! Job up!' Gerry Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:23:36 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: petebear Subject: Effects of this forum Message: Hey Pete, I've experienced some of those things myself. For me it was 14 yrs ago that I left the GM scene, but I still had a lot of residual illusions about him. But I too have had a lot of 'flashbacks' to those times back then--Kissimee, Denver, Miami, and to the premie communities I lived in. I've repressed a lot of those memories because I am embarrased by a lot of them, and I've struggled to learn from those experiences and to move on. I also miss a lot of my old premie friends, because some of them were a hoot and we had a lot of fun together. They had (still have, I'm sure) a certain sparkle to them. Another feeling I have had re: this website is excitement. It is like finding a group of old war buddies who were in the trenches with you. The experience of being a premie was very unique. That is one thing you can say for GM, among Guru-types, he is one of a kind, a real character. Hope you continue to post here Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 00:05:29 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Where we Come From Message: Tell me that the philosophy behind 'Knowledge' isn't every bit as quaint,naive and hopeless as this: 'Humoral Pathology Galen firmly believed in what is known as humoral pathology: the science of the bodily fluids pioneered by the Greek physician Hippocrates (460 to 377 BC). Humoral pathology is based on the notion that the human body contains four humours or bodily fluids (blood, phlegm, choler and melancholy) and that good health depends upon these humours being kept in balance. Hippocratic theory suggested that if any one humour became predominant, ill health would result; however, Galen argued that sickness could also be caused by an insufficiency of one of the four humours. This belief was the guiding principle of Galenic medicine. So, to restore the patient's physiological balance, doctors needed to bleed their patients or to prescribe laxative, emetic or sudorific medication. Vegetable-based medicines were also used. Human Temperaments Drawing upon Hippocrates' theory regarding the four humours, Galen suggested the existence of four basic human temperaments, each of which was caused by a predominance of one of the four humours. First, there was the sanguinicus, whose cheerful and lively temperament resulted from the dominance of the blood. The temperament of the calm and tough flegmaticus was influenced by excess phlegm, while the worry and gloominess of the melancholicus were due to a surfeit of melancholy. Finally, the energetic cholericus had too much choler in his or her system. Thus Galen believed that one's personality was closely related to one's physical make-up. Physiology The development of human physiological science owes much to Galen's theories and discoveries. For the ancients, the functions of the heart and blood vessels were a great mystery. Five hundred years before Christ, the Greek Alcmaeon of Croton suggested that sleep was caused by blood draining from the brain via the veins, and that death was the result of the brain becoming completely drained. Two hundred years later, Aristotle ascribed the power of thought to the heart, which he contended also contained the soul. Erasistratus argued that intaken breath entered the arteries, which thus carried nothing but air. Galen demonstrated the error of many of these theories. Anatomy Dissection was forbidden in Greece, so Galen's work in this field must have been carried out in Egypt. Be that as it may, he certainly contributed a great deal to the development of anatomy as a science. He wrote long anatomical treatises on the skeleton, the muscles and the central nervous system. In Rome, he gave lectures in anatomy and performed animal dissections, demonstrating that the arteries carried blood, rather than air. (Galen did, however, subscribe to the contemporary theory that blood flowed back and forth within the arteries. It was not until 1628 that the Englishman William Harvey showed that the blood circulated round a closed system.) Philosophy On the basis of his philosophical studies, Galen came to the conclusion that the various bodily functions were induced by the Pneuma or universal spirit. He believed the pneuma to be a fine, spirit-like material which drifted through the universe and which controlled and organized physical bodies. Galen distinguished between three types of spirit: the spiritus vitalis or life spirit, originating in the heart and flowing through the arteries; the spiritus animalis or animal spirit to be found in the brain and nerves; and the spiritus naturalis, or natural spirit, formed in the liver. However, Galen also believed that the life process was sustained by food, which was convened into blood in the liver. Blood from the liver nourished the heart, lungs and other organs, including the brain. Waste materials were also thought to be removed by the blood. Thus, blood circulation and metabolism are critical elements of galenic physiological theory, and Galen was the first person to suggest a relationship between food, blood and air. Interestingly, later medical and church authorities considered Galen's work to be based upon divine inspiration and therefore infallible, dubbing him Divinus Galenus (Galen the Divine). Those who dared call Galen's theories into question often ended their lives burnt at the stake.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 00:44:45 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Jim Subject: Where we Come From Message: In this age everything has changed.Now the medical world and the church are based on science.In the east it is different though.Here science rules.Everything has to be picked apart to see what makes it tick.We just cannot admire beauty.It has to have a explanation or scientific basis. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 02:40:05 (EDT)
From: jethro Email: None To: steven Subject: Where we Come From Message: 'We just cannot admire beauty.' It has to have a explanation or scientific basis.' Indeed we can admire beauty, but why only JUST that. Human beings are born with a natural curiosity to learn and delve, those that seek to stifle that process are acting against life itself in that they are trying to control others. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:11:52 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: jethro Subject: Where we Come From Message: I like the part about our churches being based on science. Like we were born with this original sin which is kind of a black speck on our soul which is located somewhere near our heart. And when we go to confession and receive the body and blood of JC in the form of a wafer (sorry, the blood aka wine is only for the priest) than we make the specks smaller or something. I was taught this very scientific theory as a child. hmmm.... didn't know it was a science lesson. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:20:04 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: jethro Subject: Where we Come From Message: Jethro my man,there is much more then what you think in what you said.There is alot more then what our minds and flesh could ever feel happening around us to investigate. you are on a prison.that revolves around the sun.It is unstable and tilted.You want security but you are on a insecure planet.Humans have been here for very short time. Please do not ever stop investigating I still am.And I love it.Ask a child what they think about playing.Ask a child.Or are you just to grown up? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 12:44:39 (EDT)
From: jethro Email: None To: steven Subject: Where we Come From Message: 'Jethro my man,there is much more then what you think in what you said.' So you know what I think? 'There is alot more then what our minds and flesh could ever feel happening around us to investigate.' Yes that is why it is natural,for a person who is honest with themselves, to continually challenge their own belief system. It is 'premies' that have gotten of the boat. 'you are on a prison.that revolves around the sun.' Well, I call it Earth and it is my home. 'It is unstable and tilted.' Unstable..in that it is finite. Tilted? Yes....Relative to some axes. 'You want security but you are on a insecure planet.' I am secure in the knowledge that nothing can be totally relied upon. Prempal taught me that, in that I gave him my all...and he abused that. Yes he has been a good teacher...in the sense of displaying a perfectly dishonest human being. 'Humans have been here for very short time.' Well, I've been here for 50 years and 50 years is 50 years! 'Please do not ever stop investigating ' Of course I shan't, how do you think I freed myself from your cult? 'I still am.And I love it.' Good for you...I'm glad all your humanness hasn't been stifled. 'Ask a child what they think about playing.Ask a child.' I don't have to. I know how to be with people, I know how to play. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:51:31 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: steven Subject: Where we Come From Message: Steve: I find the beauty in a 'thing' when I know how it works. It becomes even more beautiful when I see the complexity (or simplicity) in its design. Yes, staring at the stars is wonderful and very satisfying, but knowing how they were formed (and when) is THE most awesome part, IMHO. Looking at a flower and enjoying its fragrance is certainly one life's little pleasures, but the understanding of how the flower works and, for god's sake, REPRODUCES is the MOST WONDEROUS part. It makes that 'humble' flower a truely beautiful insight into 'life itself.' - Somehow premies (and alot of other people) seem to think that scientists and researchers aren't enjoying their work and themselves. Damn, their whole lives revolve around it and they LOVE it! Geeks love being geeks, no doubt about it! Believe me, they aren't 'unhappy' or bored with life; quite the contrary. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:30:42 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Anyone notice? Message: Isn't it bizarre the way the premies express such gratitude for being able to tune into such a 'real' place as Enjoyingmylittlemasturbatorydream and how that lets them all get 'in touch' and 'in synch' considering the fact that they're not invited to leave their email addresses for one another? Spoo-ky! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 02:44:21 (EDT)
From: jethro Email: None To: Jim Subject: Anyone notice? Message: 'Isn't it bizarre the way the premies express such gratitude for being able to tune into such a 'real' place as Enjoyingmylittlemasturbatorydream and how that lets them all get 'in touch' and 'in synch' considering the fact that they're not invited to leave their email addresses for one another?' Can't help noticing also the limited vocabulary. I find it sad since I know many of them posting there and am sure that they have much more to say. Still when someone has given away their own volition, what can you do? Regards jethro PS I assume you didn't receive the package I sent you, Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:29:07 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: jethro Subject: Anyone notice? Message: Jethro, I didn't! Shit! No chance of tracing it? Thanks anyway, Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 13:04:16 (EDT)
From: jethro Email: None To: Jim Subject: Anyone notice? Message: 'No chance of tracing it? ' I'll try,,,,,,but I doubt it will be found. This has happened before....must be his grace working against us...maybe I'll turn into a vegetable tomorrow. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 15:18:54 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: jethro Subject: Anyone notice? Message: Jethro: So, are you turnip greens, yet? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 19:58:24 (EDT)
From: jethro Email: None To: Mike Subject: Anyone notice? Message: Well it's tomorrow....and I'm still here......wow i must been forgiven. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:27:08 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Everyone Subject: Sage Advice about Enjoyinglife Message: I was away at my place in the mountains this weekend, so I missed the discussions with our latest premie visitor, the ever humble steven. I returned home last night, logged on to the site and read steven’s posts and and the counter-posts, and I figured, “just another brainwashed idiot who should be over at enjoyinglife.com.” However, I began to think of what he was saying: that I should sit quietly at an event, just me and the master in front of the T.V. screen, and I would re-connect with that gift the master gave me all those years ago. My wife had gone to work, and my daughter had gone to school (Monday, priest’s day off); it was just me and the malodorous cat. I couldn’t go to an event, yet I wanted to take steven’s advice. So, I turned on the television and sat quietly in front of it, just the screen and me (and the malodorous cat). I saw a face as bright as the sun rising across the sky; actually it was a face *in* the sun, rising across the sky. It smiled, looked straight at me, and filled me with joy. Then the music began, filling me with tranquility and anticipation. I heard and felt the word, or actually, words, as I heard, “Tinky-winky, Dipsy, Laa-laa, Po; Teletubbies, Teletubbies, say hello!” Oh, the simple feeling of tranquility I felt as I experienced the adventures of these spiritually-evolved beings whose lives are a simple expression! Laa-laa had a Happy Day; she went for a Happy Walk, and even did a Happy Dance!! The simple joy I felt, the simple happiness I experienced for the rest of the day, an expression beyond concepts and thinking! I was quiet, I was silent, and for a half-hour I felt true joy. What a gift, what a simple gift I felt! Thank you, steven, for reminding me of the simple joy of sitting quietly in front of a flickering screen and turning off my mind! And thank you, Tinky-winky, Dipsy, Laa-laa, and Po, for helping me feel that simple feeling! Now I am really enjoying life again!!! Sri Mickey Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:37:05 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: My Guru Mariachi Subject: Oh my: Message: Oh My Guru Mariachi: You are the infinite ocean of wisdom. I, your humble dung-beetle, shall now spend 1 hour.... no, 2 hours.... no, 3 whole hours a day in front of the fickering screen and turn off my eeeeevil mind. I will follow your sage advice and turn the reigns of my life over to lala (my personal favorite). Are YOU the one whose face is in the sun? Oh, tell me tis true, please let it be true.... ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:20:35 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Mike Subject: Oh my: Message: mikey go eat your mapo and let us older folks talk.what are you anyway? A political science student or something?You write like a high school student.JIMMY boy is this who you have working for you? Children? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:26:29 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: steven Subject: Oh my: Message: Stevie: Obviously you haven't been around for very long or you would know my occupation. My, my we have a short temper don't we Steve? The fact that a few of us enjoy each other's company on this forum is of no concern to you. Go off and press your eyeballs, put your fingers in your ears, stuff your tongue into your nasal cavity and watch your breath for a while and you will cool down. At least, that's what is advertised, right? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:31:50 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Mike Subject: Oh my: Message: Mike tell me your occupation .Come to me in my cell, and I will tell you mine. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:39:02 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: steven Subject: Well.... Message: Stevie: Well, that's better. Now you are threatening.... hmmm. I think brian might have a thing or two to say about that. Did you read the forum instructions? Maybe not. Anyway, here's the data that you asked for: - I spent 22 years in SPECWAR within the U.S. Military. Look it up, you'll be amused I'm sure! - During that time I majored in astrophysics with a minor in computer science. The latter is my current occupation. - So tell me, what was/is your occupation? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:39:28 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Mike Subject: Well.... Message: In vietnam I was in a platoon that rounded up defectors,black market types.sent them back to u.s.one way or the other.By the way what is this threatin stuff? you bug my maharaji and his wife and children. You slander people over the net.etc.By the way my trade is a finish carpenter.What I was trained in was things that have no use out of the military.Why do you feel that you need this site anyway?Why don't you trash this site.Start another called lets bug saddom or kadafi. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:31:36 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: steven Subject: OK Then..... Message: Steve: Ok, then. We don't bother M or his family. As far as we know, M has never visited this site. If he did, we would have a number of really good questions for him. In fact, we don't 'bother' anyone, except maybe premies that come here and don't answer the questions that they are asked. If you want a civil discussion, you will get it. But if you come here and call the 'experience' of those that express their opinions here a lie, then you get the same in return. I think that would be considered normal, no? - We are not slandering, Steve. The 'facts' are real 'facts.' If it's an opinion, it is expressed that way (usually). You will find that there is alot of integrity displayed here. And there is alot of love expressed here, too. Premies don't have the corner on the love and caring market. - The reason that this site exists is to expose what we believe is a dangerous cult. There are quite a few people here that have been damaged by this cult. This site is here for them, too. We do care about the emotional cast-offs that this cult has created and there are quite a few of them. THAT is a fact, Steve. To the first reason for the site: Jeez, Steve, people are kissing his feet again. Doesn't that just raise a little red flag over your head? Or do you think he is the 'superior power in person.' Actually, I would like to know who you think he is. Do you believe that he is God? Would you do something that no other premie has done here (that I know of) and answer that simple question? I have answered quite a few questions from premies that have visited, but not once has any premie answered that question from me. - I understand your military training. I took college courses when I could while I was active. It took longer, but hey, the results were the same. By the time I retired, everything was lined up for me. As for your being a finish carpenter: GREAT! I really like woodworking, too. I know that you do it professionally, while I just 'chip' at it, but I like wood. - See, Steve, we can have a civil discussion here (and usually do ) when it is put in that vein in the first place. If you come here and ask/answer and discuss, you will find a group that is more than willing to do the same. Some of us have different ways of expressing ourselves, sometimes we poke fun, but it can always be civil if the conversations are begun and continue with some integrity. OF COURSE, AS ALWAYS IMHO. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:37:07 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Steve Subject: Oh yeah, one thing Message: Steve: I noticed that you called Mickey by the name 'mike.' We are NOT the same person. Mickey is a different guy, so don't get confused on that one. Some of the names are a little 'close' to one another, so I thought I would explain that. I didn't want you to think that Mickey or I were schizo.... he he he. :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:46:05 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Mike Subject: Oh yeah, one thing Message: sorry Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:33:01 (EDT)
From: Steven Email: None To: Mike Subject: OK Then..... Message: I will answer the main question as I see it. Thats me only sir.My opinion only. No one elses.But I know it will not be the correct answer for you. As a human being he since birth has performed an unbelievable amount of endeavors for a normal human body.Such as traveling aprox.250,000 miles per year.Giving this gift personaly to over 60,000 people in 10 years. Since he got rid of the instructors that were a problem to him. He runs the whole thing himself.Know one but him.He has more energy and guts in him and morals,and steadfastness then any other person I have ever seen since being on this planet. Its the old premies and indian mahatmas that screwed up people's heads.He got rid of them. Also let me ask you.Have you ever gotten so drunk in a bar that you pass out in your own vomit or fall on the floor face down In someone elses? That to me is much worse of a site then seeing a person who is so simple and happy kissing there teacher. Have you ever kissed the priest on the hand? What have you done one time or another in your life for the almighty $$$$$. I bet you've done some pretty sleazy kissing yourself. Right?So here is my opinion for what its worth.No he is not.He is a beggar.And I _d_o _n_O_t mean the dictionaries version. As great as he is he still remains HUMBLE and RESPECTFUL to others. Those two things are slowly being lost by the people of this world. Society teaches people to have hearts of stone. He teaches people how to survive with compassion,simplicity,And humbleness. Water is the most destructable force on this planet. Yet it is so humble it will let you put it in a glass and drink it when you need it. Can you explain things that you cannot see or feel?He is on a mission He has never changed what he is doing.Just the way its done. In india you walk down the street people always come up to you and touch your feet. Its the culture. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:21:46 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Steven Subject: Your questions Message: Steve: You judge me too harshly. I understood that it was your opinion concerning 'who he is.' THANK YOU for answering the question; that is a 'first.' You are right, when you say that some of your answers will not be 'right for me.' Of course not! So, now I will answer your questions of me: - No, I haven't fallen down into a pool of vomit from drinking myself silly. I've hugged a commode or two in my younger days, but I've never passed out. I agree that it looks pretty nasty when someone does, though. - No, I've never kissed the hand of a priest. I was never a catholic. When I was a premie, I did kiss the feet. Back then, it was almost a requirement. I agree that it's the culture, but it's them touching my feet, not the other way around. And... I've never asked anyone, or encouraged anyone, to do it. M has been in, and is a citizen, of this country. Wouldn't you think he would have learned that it isn't part of this culture, by now? In fact, most people on the street would be repelled by this act. - The almighty dollar: I've never hurt anyone in my pursuit of a living. I don't step on other people and refuse to play that game. That's called common decency. Some people have it and some don't. M doesn't have the corner on morals and values. It doesn't take a 'master' to teach them either. My 'humble' parents taught me those things and I pass them on to my daughter as best I can. M didn't have anything to do with my morals or my values. There are those among the premies that believe that M is the 'superior power in person,' like those that sing ARTI, for example. They think that he 'taught' me those things by his presence in my heart. He is not in my heart and never has been. I'm 'in my heart.' It's by my PARENTS grace that I was taught morals and values. It's by my own grace that I reap the benefits of continued practice of them. M has nothing to do with it, at all. - Explaining things that I cannot see or feel: If I can do neither of those things, then no explanation is necessary. In fact, they don't 'exist.' If I cannot see them or feel them or see the results of their having been here, then I don't think that 'whatever it is' exists. If there is no evidence of its existence, why would/should I assume that it does exist. THAT is a mighty BIG assumption. I prefer the scientific approach to that sort of thing. Without getting into a discourse on the merits of the scientific method (that's been done alot, lately) I think it is wise to use it in our daily lives, too. Particularly when it comes to 'belief systems.' Despite many attempts to prove the existence of 'god,' no one, not a single person, has ever been able to prove it. True, no one has disproved it either. The problem is that we have no evidence, one way or the other. I would like some, before I spend what's left of my life pursuing something that may very well be non-existent. M promised me 'liberation' when he first arrived. The liberation, despite years of dedicated practice, never came. Then he changed the rules, so to speak. He said 'devotion' was the thing to do. So we devoted ourselves and still nothing. Then he said that the meditation would give us peace and relaxation. THERE is one HUGE difference between 'liberation' (and its meaning) and 'relaxation.' I don't believe that he ever could DELIVER on any of his promises; which he has seen fit to change by the day. Do you see my point? - M's compassion: I'm sorry Steve, but here I must strongly disagree with you. When he first came to the west, he promised (IT IS QUOTED) to bring peace to this planet in less than 20 years. The DLM and DUO organizations were started so that we could help actuate this reality. DUO was to be the humanitarian arm of that organization. In the 'Who is Guru Maharaji' video, there is a song that has a line in it that says, 'Watch who'll be feeding all the people.' He hasn't fed a SINGLE person that I know of. In fact, DUO was disbanded, I believe, because it was taking too much personal wealth away from M. I see much evidence to support this theory and NONE to dispute it. This has absolutely nothing to do with firing initiators. This has to do with changing the very core principles that the whole organization stood for. It is the main reason that many associated themselves with M, in the first place. Then we sat by and watched as he squandered those dollars that we sent in. If he was such a 'humanitarian,' he would have seen that those dollars were used for something other than his personal aggrandizement. Sorry Steve, but that's where the evidence leads and that's the facts. - So I think this one is long enough.... Mull this stuff over and maybe you can see 'some' of the reasons that we think he is a fraud. There are MANY more reasons, but it would take a book (or a few more posts) to describe them all. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:29:38 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Steve Subject: A small correction Message: Steve: In the conext that the question was asked, my answer concerning 'not hurting people' was accurate. BUT, to be completely forthright and truthful, I need to clarify that as part of my military career I was put in positions whose natural outcome would be 'hurting people.' This, however, was part of the job and was not of my making, per se. Additionally, it was not done to 'further my career.' So, again, in the context of your question, the answer in my original post is accurate. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:37:44 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Sage Advice about Enjoyinglife Message: Hey, that's funny! Why didn't I think of that? Teletubbies! Now the question's obvious: Who's the biggest teletubby of them all? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:27:28 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: mickey the phars Message: MICKEY THE PHARS. YOU POOR FOOL YOU FORGOT TO PUT A RECENT VIDEO OF THE MASTER IN THE MACHINE . BUT I UNDERSTAND.YOUR SO SO SO OUT OF TOUCH YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GET ONE. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 19:29:30 (EDT)
From: What A Email: None To: steven Subject: JACKASS! Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 20:12:40 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: steven Subject: mickey the phars Message: Well, actually, my dear boy, I DIDN'T forget to put in a recent video; I have no recent videos as I have no intention of ever getting back in touch with that corpulent fraud you call your master. I have much more happiness in my life than I ever had while sitting under a blanket squeezing my eyeballs. I actually DO enjoy my life now; come join us and you, too, can actually enjoy your life with no eyestrain! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:52:10 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: mickey the phars Message: mike I have nothing in my life accept contentment.Believe me mike when I say If I was not experiencing this knowledge I would leave it.It has been 28 years now.There are a lot of people connected to Him I do not like.Some times he pisses me off to and I used to live with him.I get jealous of others.I was raised around guns,knives,hand to hand etc.etc.I am not a goody goody.Its very hard to be around his nice milky premies sometimes. But I am fulfilling my promise to give it a chance. I have my own life I am not brain dead. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:07:34 (EDT)
From: Sister Mary Elephant Email: None To: steven Subject: Bless you! Message: And the sisters and I appreciate your years serving our country, especially in Viet Nam. But surely my dear boy, anger and jealousy preclude ''nothing but contentment?'' Don't they? Some times he pisses me off to and I used to live with him. Did you live with the guru, dear? I once kissed the Holy Father's ring. But not his feet. Oh my goodness no! He kept ALL his clothes on. I know you're not brain dead, but I can also tell you weren't taught grammar and spelling by the good sisters, now were you, dear? We would be so disappointed if you were. Is this what meditation does? You should try praying the Rosary sometime. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:01:11 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Sister Mary Elephant Subject: Bless you! Message: sorry sister.I new a nun wonse upon atime.She had studied the good book all here life.Went the whole nine yards.She was 85 when she had a cyrebrial infarction.She was terrified and lost.Couldn't chant or move her fingers or read.She lasted one more year in a sanitarium talking to her self almost every word was shit and fuck. One minute stroke and she forgot her whole life.Sorry dear I need something that doesn't end.Thats why . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:13:13 (EDT)
From: Sam C. Email: None To: steven Subject: And, bless YOU! Message: Steven: RE: One minute stroke and she forgot her whole life.Sorry dear I need something that doesn't end. Well, good for you sir! I am personally tormented by the competitive nature of this society, and wish more people like yourself would find a permanent way to restrain from competition WITH ME! Thanks again, for that peace of mind. I think premies are wonderful. They have a lack of ambition that I find laudable (although I have no intention of emulating it); so that if you know the social and economic condition of a premie at twenty you know with great certianty their socio-economic condition at fifty or seventy. (Unless, of course, they have the poor judgement to leave... the cult is a premanent 'tuck-in.') Consider this a grapefull pat on the head. BTW, shouldn't MJ be announcing YOUR retirement plan soon? -Sam Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:44:47 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Sam C. Subject: And, bless YOU! Message: sir, you just go right ahead and do what your doing. I too love to see others get drained dry. From the competative world. It just proves to me over and over that I am on the correct path. Go gather all that $$$$ and name and fame. So when you leave this world you can take all that with you.Like so many before you have. Yes please go compete to your little hearts desire. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:58:17 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: all Subject: 'this' world Message: What if it's not competition? What if working, achieving, thinking (gasp!!) are satisfying? Maybe more satisfying than sticking fingers in eyeballs. Or traveling like a herd of cows to some convention hall for a temporary lift of mass hysteria. Are we not allowed to find happiness in those ways? Oh let me guess, M never said that wasn't allowed, right?? he only makes fun of it and derides people who enjoy that stuff. And leaves the rest to the people listening to discern. why am I bothering posting this? It's pointless to argue religion or politics. Especiallywith someone I'll never meet. That's why I get for waking up 3 hours earlier than usual, and coming into 'this' job. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 13:21:50 (EDT)
From: Sam C. Email: None To: steven Subject: Naivete Message: Steve, my good man: How is it that you feel your assumption of my spiritual ignorance is justified in any way? Why would I assume or believe that I could take it with me? That would not be rational. No, it is simply that to accomplish anything in THIS life one is faced with a competitive situation. The goal is not to gain notoriety, it is to contribute, to have a life with meaning, and to stay alive and well long enough to do that. Of course your guru, who himself has contributed the wonderful insight that seeds are 'dead,' believes that any effort of that sort is wasted. Don't you see that this is a slightly cynical perspective, not really warranted by the ACTUAL human condition? Things are both better and worse than he would have you believe, simply by virtue of the fact that his philosphy and cosmology are INCONSISTENT. Verstehen? -Sam Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:56:05 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: steven Subject: Bless you! Message: steven wrote: 'One minute stroke and she forgot her whole life.' I don't think that she actually 'forgot her whole life;' if you know anything about the nature of a stroke, she probably had some brain damage which was located in the area which controls speech. I'm sure know premie was ever frightened about death. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 20:41:40 (EDT)
From: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Email: None To: steven Subject: Lord of the Teletubbies Message: You're right steven. Mickey forgot the all important reason why video players and TVs were invented, i.e. to see Maharaji. All these fools don't even reckognise the value of the master when he comes. For it is written that every eye shall see him and he will come in the clouds in great glory from the east (England) to the west (USA). For he is the one we have all been waiting for, nay, praying for, all these years. And I heard a sound in the heavens like unto the laugh of an infant child. And lo, there came forth from yonder hills, four angels and they feared me not, even though they were a little shy. ANd they took me into their abode, which was decorated in splender and didst show me how they didst get their true nourishment from scorched bread and flavoured milk. And one of the angels didst show unto me her ball and I WAS amazed and in rapture. And her brethren didst rejoice in merriment and laughter as they didst show unto me the bag and the vehicle of two wheels. ANd I begged the angels to show unto me a sign but alas, it was the end of their visitation and with laughter they departed, leaving me alone and forlorn until at last I looked up and saw three letters etched as if in a stone up in the heavens. I saw it clearly now, here was the sign I had asked for. The letters said, BBC. Let those who have ears, hear. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:17:59 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: All Subject: Sniff, sniff Message: Jim tipped me on this first. I smells a rat! Nigel, are you masquerading as steven the half wit????? I'm starting to thinks so... You seem to be around at the same time. Hmmmmm. Good job, you really had me going. But it was fun! (Actually I hope it is a real premie. He'd be setting a world record for dumbness.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:59:34 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Gerry Subject: last breath Message: when you were born you inhaled you first breath.I would like to be around when when you have to give out your last.Then I will ask you what is your discription of dumb. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:16:15 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: steven Subject: last breath Message: Aw Nigel, cut it out. Jig's up. Nobody's that dumb. Unless... steven is really Keith! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:19:53 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Gerry Subject: last breath Message: Gerry, I wondered the same thing myself to tell you the truth. But Keith puts in too many spaces and steven too few. I can't see how either one of them could ever learn to do it the other way around. Can you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:18:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: steven Subject: last breath Message: when you were born you inhaled you first breath.I would like to be around when when you have to give out your last.Then I will ask you what is your discription of dumb. Steven, Forget about spelling. Forget about the fact that you've taunted me saying you know me and I know you but you aren't telling who you are. Forget about punctuation for that matter (you know, those spaces between sentences, capital letters, shit like that). What I'm interested in is your understanding of anatomy. Tell me, what do you think causes our breath? Plain, simple question. Let's hear your answer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 22:40:45 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Jim Subject: last breath Message: Jim I already told you that I am not as good as writer as the rest of you.But Seeing how you like to screw with premies.I know your personality can not help but mess with everything.Simply put I will say to you Oxygen is the fuel.You are a machine of combustion.AS all engines you must have an igniter.The first breath you took began this process of combustion.Your brain is the master computor that was already functioning in your mom.Without that first breath the brain dies there for the heart des not function your dead.Now sir jim what ignites the oxygen in us maybe you could explain to me.I know my spelling sucks.How do we get the oxygen if we can not breath?Some mammals must remember to breath but humans do it automaticaly.Thats probably why so many of us take it for granted. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:32:39 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: steven Subject: last breath Message: Steven, How about this? You don't insult me, I don't insult you and we just talk a bit. Okay? I'm game if you are. I asked you about the breath because you raised the subject. Again, what about it? You're not coming right out and saying it but it sounds like you're attributing some mystical force to breath. Of course, I'm not surprised. That is, after all, Maharaji's teaching at core, isn't it? That there's something sacred and alive about the breath, that the breath inhabits us like a shell, out of mercy and grace. That it gives us life, moment by moment, with an almost invisible hand of love and that, if we were simple enough, we could flat-line our minds to be as simple as that very breath. Look! It's so gentle, it never demands anything, yet its always there. Listen! It says nothing -- it's so wise -- but it hears all. Feel! The warmth and love of knowing that your creator is ever so close. Yeah. Been there and done it! Steven, this perspective is woefully inexcusable in the twentieth century. As I've said several times to our own resident ex-premie breath worshipper, Bill Burke, you might as well worship your blood. Indeed, many pre-scientific cultures have. You can imagine all the reasons. They're all romantic, understandable and, in the light of day, 100 per cent wrong. Yes, you have blood your entire life. Yes, you'll die if you lose enough of it. Yes, the fresh stuff is bright, bright red. But there's no way that you're going to find any consciousness in it. That's just ignorant superstition. Remember how you learnt in school that medeival europeans believed in the 'four humours' in the body? Blood, phlegm, black and yellow bile supposedly corresponded to the four organs of the body: the heart, spleen, brain and liver. Actually the Greeks started this theory. Well, smart as the Greeks were, they were just guessing about this stuff and -- guess what? They were wrong. Not stupid, just wrong. Same with the Chinese and their chi theory of the life force and, most importantly here, same with the Indian's and their 'prana' belief. None of these theories came from stupid people necessarily. They just came from pre-scientific types. As individuals we're no more intelligent than our ancestors but we do have the benefit of years and years of science and knowledge. The theory Maharaji depends on is a very ancient one. The fact is, it can't possibly stand up to the light of day. Any cursory study of evolution, which I invite you to look at even a bit, will show you that there's no place, simply no place, for the kind of romantic breath worshipping Maharaji instilled in us. Look, I could go on and on but, well, are you interested at all in what I'm saying? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 01:56:50 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Jim Subject: forget maharaji Message: Feel,feel,feel, I know I know its to simple for us. But feel.Become a happy child again.Children are so happy.Ask them why.They do not know.They feel new and refreshed and no explaining needed Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 20:56:27 (EDT)
From: Sam C. Email: None To: steven Subject: Naivete2 Message: Svenh: Children are so happy.Ask them why.They do not know.They feel new and refreshed and no explaining needed Apart from the fact that there are millions of children in the world who lack safety and support, do you suppose the observation that most children have little or no responsibility might be some sort of clue? Impose adult responsibilities on children, and take away their safety and support, and they might have trouble living 'up' to your standards of inscrutable vivacity. -Sam Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:55:49 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: steven Subject: last breath Message: Steve: If I may but-in for a moment, the 'fire-traingle' applies to this discussion. Oxygen is not a fuel, it just permits oxidation (burning) to occur. There are three sides to the triangle, they are' fuel, oxygen and heat.' The fuel is the food that you eat, oxygen permits oxididation to occur and the 'ignition' is caused by and produces heat (which continues the reaction). A 'spark' is actually the heat-side of that traingle. If any one of the three sides is missing, the 'burn' stops. I know that this is a MAJOR oversimplification (especially when applied to biology), but I just wanted to make it clear that oxygen is not a fuel., even in the human body. OK, now I'll but-out. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:11:31 (EDT)
From: Sam C. Email: None To: Mike Subject: last breath Message: Mike: But there is no inherent reason that Oxygen can't be a fuel is there? I admit that I have no idea what the discussion is about, but pure oxygen will burn, won't it? I mean in liquid form, either by itself, or with a catalyst? Under the right exotic conditions just about anything will burn. I often think of my last breath in terms of a rocket taking off, for instance. However, I think it much more likely that Will Rogers will show up to bless the final ignition. It's all a bellyless belly laugh, don't you see? -Sam Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 11:32:40 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Sam C. Subject: last breath Message: Sam: Actually, no, oxygen doesn't burn. The reason that oxygen explosions occur is because a highly flammable (low flashpoint)material is put into a high-oxygen environment. For example: If you try to pump pure oxygen into a 'greasy' container, it will definitely go BOOM! The material that is exploding is not the oxygen (it's just oxidizing the grease), it's the GREASE (petroleum product) that is going BOOM because there is SO MUCH OXIDIZER available. Pure oxygen in an airtight container (that is clear of any contaminants) will not burn because it can't (at any temperature). Pure oxygen is used to oxidize hydrogen (or some other combustible) in rocket engines. In solid rocket engines, the 'oxidizer' is bound with the 'fuel' so that it will burn rapidly. The fire triangle of fuel, oxidizer, heat is the best way to remember how it works and 'what' is doing 'what.' If you want a clearer explanation, I recommend talking to a fireman. They understand, and can explain, the process very clearly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 23:13:34 (EDT)
From: steven Email: None To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Subject: Lord of the Teletubbies Message: Sir, Right now I am a little gun shy from what has been said up till now.If you speak honestly.And you feel what you say is the truth.Then fine.Remember one thing though.Maharaji has never said he was---.Other people say the stuff.He has a misson.Just as a river has a misson.Just as a dance master has a misson.He is not afraid of anything!But I say to you the darkness is afraid of him and will rise up against him one day.Yet in this age he will prevail.And so will we. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 10:37:37 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: steven Subject: mickey the phars Message: Why would not having a current M video equate to being out of touch? Out of touch with what? Anyway, I sent around a bunch of them to the ex's. I couldn't stand them being in the way of my shoes at the bottom of my closet. And they were icky, covered with lipstick from an arduant devotee- not me!!! (well, the cassettes were) yuck yuck yuck and double bleaghh!!!! And, we all know how to order them from Visions too. Amazing huh? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:10:00 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Teletubbies Message: HA! That show does bring back the trippiness of the past, doesn't it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 17:35:10 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Teletubbies & me-off topic Message: A book was dedicated to me this year. Actually, it was dedicated to various people and things. My name appears between Teletubbies and vodka shots with acid. Now I ask you, does it show that much? DeerRunningBear Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:56:24 (EDT)
From: Mel Bourne Email: mbvictoria@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Gerry's bile Message: Gerry I cannot believe your self righteousness…. You and some of your other friends here, attack, abuse and vilify anyone who dares express any hint of positivity towards M or K. Fair enough, I suppose, this is an ex-premie site, but you must be prepared to accept that you, Jim or anyone else on this site are also fair game for challenge. Your supposed moral indignation on my comments regarding Jim's situation is hypocritical, especially as you are prone to make extremely abusive personal attacks on contributors far worse than you attribute to me. Your personal method is to ridicule people who may not be as articulate as you, but resort to obscenity if you come across someone who does have some language skills. Jim is articulate enough to respond (and he has) without your patronising and obviously brown nosed defense. What concerns me is the peddling of hate on this site and your 'verbal' abuse is testimony to this fact. Also of concern is your inability to understand that some people might ACTUALLY enjoy practicing K and being associated with M, and that there is REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS (ie..ITS OK), it's an individual's choice and freedom, which you would seem to want to curtail. In my opinion these things are based on an individual's personal experience which, at best, can only appear as a matter of faith to others, a faith that is as valid as any other faith. You may have had a negative or neutral experience in this matter but others may have a positive experience despite your congenital inability to accept this fact. I think there is a need for you to pay other human beings the respect that they deserve, despite whether they Christian, Buddhist, atheist or followers of M. Most premies are not the aggressive fanatics of yesteryear , M does not dictate anyone's lifestyle and I think most premies have their own value systems and are indeed quite able to function effectively and rationally in their day to day affairs. Your mindless abuse of premies by attacking a supposed image of their 'Lord' is pathetically way off the mark, a lot of the more recent premies would probably wonder what the hell you're even going on about. Aaron (as I mentioned in my previous post) who has grown up in a premie environment expressed surprise about these Divine concepts. Face it guys, no matter how much you rant and spew obscenities, you will not be able to shake a person's FEELING (yes…FEELING) and personal experience of well being and relaxation which they associate with the practice of K. They are quite happy to go on living their lives in any way they think fit, practice K and support M if they wish to and (unfortunately for you) they are FREE to do so. People come and go as they please, and no longer fit the stereo types that you seem to be obsessed with. As you well know, hate and intolerance are the cause of all the problems in the world, and what you display here in your savage pseudo-intellectual critiques of well meaning and innocent people indicates the depth of your own hate and intolerance, nothing more. You have no respect for honest people who, like yourself, are trying to find there way through life, but who have made choices that you vehemently disagree with. There's nothing wrong with disagreement, but in my view there is heaps wrong with the unprovoked bile that you spew on these people. So now, Gerry, display your hatred and intolerance in your usual way by publishing further obscenities in response to this and demonstrate to the readers the validity of the points that I have made, if not, consider your own hypocrisy in accusing me of insensitivity. Mel Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 09:49:14 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Mel Boring Subject: Mel 's Piles Message: Ah Mel, cut it out, you insensitive lout. Me self-righteous? Ouch! Could you send me a video? I want to turn into a big luv puppy like you. Did you notice your fellow toe suckers devolved into name calling brutes? ''Butcakes'' (by steven) Now that I can't tolerate. Where's the moderator??????? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 10:35:24 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mel Bourne Subject: Gerry's bile Message: Also of concern is your inability to understand that some people might ACTUALLY enjoy practicing K and being associated with M, and that there is REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS (ie..ITS OK), it's an individual's choice and freedom, which you would seem to want to curtail. Mel, Would you say the same about all leader/follower situations? How about the Moonies, Hare Krishas, Heaven's Gaters or Branch Davidians? How about that Christian group that seemed to fall off the map in America last week and is suspected of yet another apocalypitc group suicide? Same curt answer? It's their choice and 'there is REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT'? Is that what you say? Because, if so, I disagree and we can talk about this. In my opinion these things are based on an individual's personal experience which, at best, can only appear as a matter of faith to others, a faith that is as valid as any other faith. You may have had a negative or neutral experience in this matter but others may have a positive experience despite your congenital inability to accept this fact. You're eliminating all mention of coercion and trickery. Surely you believe that people can and have been hoodwinked by various false leaders, spiritual and otherwise, over time. Faith, in those situations, is a given but validity is another story. Why do you assume that one faith is as valid as any other? Frankly, I think that's ridiculous. It was NOT valid to have faith in Hitler, for example. But, then, why look so far when the obvious test of your statement's so much closer. Do you say it's equally valid to have faith in Satpal, who now does business as 'Guru Maharaj Ji', as it is to have faith in Prempal, who now does business as 'Maharaji'? I think there is a need for you to pay other human beings the respect that they deserve, despite whether they Christian, Buddhist, atheist or followers of M. Most premies are not the aggressive fanatics of yesteryear , M does not dictate anyone's lifestyle and I think most premies have their own value systems and are indeed quite able to function effectively and rationally in their day to day affairs. Your mindless abuse of premies by attacking a supposed image of their 'Lord' is pathetically way off the mark, a lot of the more recent premies would probably wonder what the hell you're even going on about. Let's say, for argument's sake, that M does absolutely nothing to currently coerce or manipulate his followers. Personally, I think that's wrong but let's assume it anyway. Even if that were so, don't you agree that he once did? I mean you've read the Ashram Manual. He was the ultimate authority in the extremely oppressive regime. I know particularly because I was a Ashram meetings where he emphasized that fact pretty damned clearly. So, what's your problem? Don't you think people, especially autocratic leaders, should be responsible for what they do to their followers, even if it happened yesterday, not today? Sorry, Mel, there's simply no moral basis for protecting Maharaji the way you'd like to. That's the simple truth of the matter. Any objective person shown this situation would agree. A man who claims spiritual superiority and insists on unqualified faith and virtual 'surrender' from his followers is responsible for everything that ensues. You and evey other premie that tries to skate around this most basic truth look foolish for trying, quite frankly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 10:56:55 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Mel Bourne Subject: Knowledge Lite strikes again Message: Face it guys, no matter how much you rant and spew obscenities, you will not be able to shake a person's FEELING (yes…FEELING) and personal experience of well being and relaxation which they associate with the practice of K. Gees Mel, in the old days it used to be LIBERATION, REALIZATION, ENLIGHTENMENT. Now it's relaxation and well being? Why not soak in a hot tub and listen to some good music? Oh yeah, here's a ''fuck'' for you, just so I don't break out of character and disappoint you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 14:00:55 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Mel Bourne Subject: Mel's Bile: Passive Aggressive Message: Mel, There are all kinds of premies and ex-premies, just like there are all kinds of people. Some are kind of blunt in what they say and do and some aren't. You're attempt to paint all ex-premies here as the same, because a couple of them do things you don't like, is just as bad as ex-premies saying ALL premies are mindless, programmed cult members. So, what we have with you, Mel, is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Mel, I must say that I read your psychoanalysis of Jim down below and I agree with Helen that it is filled with hostility, even, dare I say, BILE? Although I had a psychology double major in college, I hesitate to use this term, but what you did in that post, Mel, which I have seen a lot among premies, is called being 'passive aggressive.' While acting all open and filled with love, you do some really hostile, nasty, aggressive thing, like tell Jim he has psycholological problems, then paint everyone else on the forum as being the same. It's a nasty thing to do, Mel. At least with Gerry and Jim, what you see is what you get. I actually find that preferable. I think most premies have their own value systems and are indeed quite able to function effectively and rationally in their day to day affairs. So? Who said they didn't? It's only with their views of who or what Maharaji is that ex-premies have a problem. a lot of the more recent premies would probably wonder what the hell you're even going on about. Aaron (as I mentioned in my previous post) who has grown up in a premie environment expressed surprise about these Divine concepts. That's party what this website is about, Mel. It's to let people know that Maharaji used to openly claim to be god and the Lord of the Universe. Since he deceitfully tries to cover that over, with lots of premies who know his past complicit in that regard, someone needs to mention this. They [interested people and aspirants] have a right to know. I know one particular, very recent, ex-premie who was shocked that no one ever told her that Maharaji was once 'the Lord of the Universe.' This new ex-premie was quite upset that Maharaji's past was hidden in the aspirant process. Obviously, Maharaj's past actions are important for someone to make an evaluation of him, and whether they want to get involved with him. Just like with a politician, the past actions are important considerations a voter takes into account concerning whether to vote for that politician. Why is it any different with a 'master?' Regarding feelings, Mel, I don't think I have ever heard ex-premies say a premie's feelings are invalid. In fact, I'm sure they are genuine and real. The argument most ex-premies have is that those feelings have nothing to do with Maharaji. This is what they have concluded from their own, hard won, experience, which is also valid. Those feelings come from inside the person, maybe enhanced through meditation, but Maharaji is not necessary in his role as a 'master' who continues to put himself out for worship, even to the point of having premies, even to this day in the new, improved, Maharaji years, kiss his feet. That's important for people to know about too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:09:24 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: Face piles of bile with Message: JW: Smiles. It riles him to believe that you percieve the web he weaves. And keep on THINKING free! Sound familiar????? he he he. Sorry, couldn't help myself, it was all too poetic. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 09:04:46 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: Face piles of bile with Message: Threshold of A Dream, right? Not one of the Moodies better albums. Sorry if you disagree. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:26:04 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jerry Subject: No disagreement Message: Jerry: I agree with your sentiments. It had a couple of good cuts (IMHO), but overall it was a bit of a disappointment. I did enjoy the 'poetry' in it, though.... ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 07:20:06 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Honk if you love Jesus Message: WHAT A TRAFFIC JAM! -------------------------------- The other day I went into the local religious book store, where I saw a 'honk if you love Jesus' bumper sticker. I bought it and put it on the back bumper of my car, and I'm really glad I did. What an uplifting experience followed! I was stopped at a light at a busy intersection, just lost in thoughts of the Lord, and I didn't notice that the light had changed. That bumper sticker really worked! I found lots of people who loved Jesus.. Why, the guy behind me started to honk like crazy. He must really love the Lord because pretty soon, he leaned out his window and yelled 'Jesus Christ' as loud as he could. It was like a football game, with his shouting, 'Go Jesus Christ Go.' Everyone else started honking, too, so I leaned out my window and waved and smiled to all those loving people. There must have been a guy from Florida back there because I could hear him yelling something about a 'sunny beach', and I saw him waving in a funny way with his middle finger stuck up in the air. I asked my two kids what that meant, they squirmed, looked at each other, giggled and told me that it was the Hawaiian good luck sign, so I leaned out the window and gave him the good luck sign back. Several cars behind, a very nice large man stepped out of his car and yelled something. I couldn't hear him very well, but it sounded like 'mother trucker' or mother from there. Maybe he was from Florida too. He must really love the Lord. A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of the moment that they got out of their cars and were walking toward me. I bet they wanted to pray, but just then I noticed the light had changed to yellow, and I stepped on the gas. And a good thing I did, because I was the only driver to get across the intersection. I looked back at them standing there. I leaned way out the window, gave them a big smile and held up the Hawaiian good luck sign and I drove away. Praise the Lord for such wonderful people. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:02:18 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Bobby Subject: Honk if you love Jesus Message: Dear Bobby, Jesus Christ, that was TO FUNNY! Thanks for the laugh. Can't say it woke me up but it certainly gave me a smile to start my day! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:10:35 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Honk if you love Jesus Message: sunny beach :P Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 09:51:55 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby, that was hilarious--nt Message: Gotta luv that god Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 00:12:06 (EDT)
From: Bill Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Just a tad revealing !! Message: Why did you torture those people by not going on the green light? Maybe they were all materialists like Jim. Or buddists that dont think there is any concious power but humans and disembodied buddists. Not a lot of people have an actual loving type effort going with life and an interaction with the larger concious thing. Who the hell wants to admit to having a relationship with the bigger concious thing we are alive alongside with when religions everywhere make it seem like ....well, a little kooky. Kind of like in school when 9th graders identify someone as the dork and no one wants to admit to having him as a freind. You no longer have cancer, and in fact are the only one on the forum that knows he doesnt have cancer. So you give the finger to people who can see that your car is running and you are just having a buddhist moment at the green light. I dont get the connection to an uninvolved third party named jesus/yeshua. I'm glad you took my advice to be more cantankerous, but can you see where you prove that there is no advanced state of constant being that gets you beyond human nature? Whatever sporadic involvement those other drivers have with any religious practice, I am sure it is minimal like it is with most folks. They try to live and do, they learn the easy way and the hard way about things. And they are bound by human nature and thier flaws. You also are not out of the human nature boundries. It is very condesending and bratty to view the other drivers as you did. You are trapped in the duality! All is not the great oneness in your view. See how we are designed to be at odds? If YOU cant pull off the spiritual evolution Kieth dreams is our present evolution, then can anyone actually get anywhere? I think not. We are best suited to accept our design limits and realize that 'Jeeze is you love honkus' had it right when he said---'love yourself, your neighbor and god.' And also, ---'treat others as you would have them treat you.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 10:04:34 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Bill Subject: Just a tad revealing !! Message: Jeepers Creepers, Bill. it was just a story (joke). It didn't really happen, and Bobby didn't even make this story up himself. It was for levity's sake and to poke a little fun at the hypocrisy of so called religious folk! Amen. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:16:32 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Bill Subject: Fer Crissakes Bill, a joke Message: Sunny Beach. Pretty Surreal. Just like the Church of Dobbs. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:23:07 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Bill Subject: Buddhist/Jehovah Witness Joke Message: what do you get when you cross a buddhist with a jehovah witness?? someone who knocks on your door and says nothing Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 22:23:00 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Buddhist/Jehovah Witness Joke Message: Q. What do you get when you cross an agnostic with a dyslexic? A. Someone who wakes up in the middle of the night wondering if there is a Dog. Q. What do you get when you cross a Jehovah's Witness with a Unitarian? A. Someone who knocks on your door for no apparent reason. (A variation on your joke!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 07:06:12 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: And the classic Buddhist.... Message: What did the guy say to the hotdog vendor? Make me one with everything. |
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Date: Wed, Oct 21, 1998 at 21:44:37 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Bill Subject: A Day in Church Message: A DAY IN CHURCH A man who went to Church with his wife fell always fell asleep during the sermon. The wife decided to do something about this and one Sunday took a long hat pin along to poke him with every time he would doze off. As the preacher got to a part in the sermon where he shouted out '... and who created all there is in 6 days and rested on the 7th..' she poked her husband who came flying out of the pew and screamed 'Good Lord almighty'. The minister said 'That's right, that's right' and went on with his sermon. The man sat back down, muttering under his breath. and later began to doze off again when the minister got to '... and who died on the cross to save us from our sins... ' the wife hit him again and he jumped up and shouted 'Jesus Christ'. The Minister said 'that's right, That's Right' and went on with his sermon. The man sat back down and began to watch his wife and when the minister got to '... and what did Eve say to Adam after the birth of their second child'? The wife started to poke the husband but he jumped up and said 'If you stick that damn thing in me again I'll break it off'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 00:09:04 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby, I'm shocked! Message: I thought you were a nice Buddhist boy all this time! P.S. You should have told Bill what your license plate says. That would have really got him going... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 07:01:51 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Katie Subject: Bobby, I'm shocked! Message: Yeah, a nice Buddhist boy like the Buddhists that are celibate. Daddy didn't raise me to be a boy like that. More of a tantric variety myself. Ahem. As far as the license plate, that puts a whole spin on the joke. Didn't think of that. Hahahahaha I'll wait until Bill asks. Very special license plate. I'd really get tagged with that one. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 11:38:51 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby, I'm amazed Message: Bobby: I like your sense of humor! ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 15:45:57 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Mike Subject: Bobby, I'm amazed Message: Thanks Mike. At least we have one thing in common. [said with a smile] I love to communicate. I see things very differently than most views presented on this forum and don't feel welcome to post my sincere and 'serious' views so I don't. At least I can post some humor and share that with some. I love to laugh. I know I've often taken myself too seriously so I've made it a point to enjoy myself more. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 19:09:37 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby, you might... Message: Bobby: Try again with the serious stuff, too. The thing that I've found to be a problem with discussing the 'serious stuff' is that some folks aren't really clear on what it is that they believe and 'why.' THIS IS NOT necessarily directed at you because I didn't see that many posts from you about the 'serious' stuff. I'm not talking about grammar or spelling, either. It just seems like those that 'believe' cannot describe their feelings clearly or succinctly and stay on topic, too. Hey, we can all have disagreements on the subject at hand, but it is difficult to respond to a poem, for example, or when the person says that it's 'just a feeling.' If they would give a 'reasonable' description of the 'feelings,' I think it would help some. Like I said.... THIS ISN'T DIRECTED at you, Bobby. But, I think you may be the recipient of some extra scrutiny because of those others that don't even try to express themselves clearly. - Additionally, I KNOW that I can expect disagreement from a premie about my opinions and ideas (for example), why can't they buy the fact that 'I' am going to disagree with their ideas and opinions? It's like they expect instant agreement just because they have a guru (e.g. 'It must be right, M said so!'). Strange that they don't agree with me because 'I don't have a guru.' See what I mean? Why the different set of rules concerning opinions? Why am I held to a different standard than what they expect from me? Strange, but I guess that's the way it is.... Once again, not directed your way, Bobby. (I'm just venting...) - I know that I would be eaten alive if 'I' didn't remain clear, so why are they surprised when it goes the other way? Good question, eh? - I will say that despite my potential disagreement over M and K, I have enjoyed reading those post from you that were clear (the HUMOR is great, too...keep it up!). We DO have something else in common, too: We are both HUMANS! That's a biggie, in my book. - Take care, Bobby... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 15:16:20 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby, I'm shocked!-off topic Message: Ok, I'm not Bill, but I'll bite--what does the tag say? VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 15:32:24 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: VP Subject: Bobby, I'm shocked!-off topic Message: Somebody had to ask..... KRSNA The Pennsylvania license tags say 'You've got a friend in' at the very top. The bottom has 'Pennsylvania', but the plate easily reads 'you've got a friend in KRSNA'. Honk if you love Krishna. [shield up ready to duck rotten vegetables] Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 18:32:22 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Great Plates, Bobby! Message: Bobby: That's about as good as they get!!! NO ROTTEN VEGE's from me! (Although the ISKCON guys might disagree..... he he he) Big smile for that one... ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 12:12:30 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby, I'm confused!-off topic Message: I thought it would read BUDDA :) VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Oct 23, 1998 at 13:18:41 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: VP Subject: Bobby, I'm confused!-off topic Message: Yes I'm a Buddhist. Tibetan Buddhist. This orientation has come about more strongly over the years. In fact, tomorrow I go for a White Tara empowerment in New York City along with my old friend (a premie who I hung out with on the banks of the Ganges during the India 72 trip). Tibetan Buddhism holds the philosophic and practice space for my orientation to both extreme experience and deep loving. For many years I was in conflict with my strong attraction to both of these. I've found resolution in Buddhism. I got the KRSNA license plate about 12-15 years ago. I still very much honor many of the ranges of the Hindu experience. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 18:47:39 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: All Subject: Honk if you have a big one Message: Schwartznegger has a big one, Michael J. Fox has a small one, Madonna doesn't have one, The Pope has one but doesn't use it, Clinton uses his all the time, What is it? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? A last name. What were you thinking of, you dirty-minded person you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 18:55:20 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Bobby Subject: good one Message: Bobby! What's gotten into you? uh, maybe I should rephrase that :) Must be the time of year, I've been silly for days. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 19:10:48 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Selene Subject: good one Message: Bobby! What's gotten into you? uh, maybe I should rephrase that :) Uh, yeah, properly re-phrased is 'what have you gotten into?' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Oct 22, 1998 at 19:24:25 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Bobby Subject: good one Message: ah, ah, ah, ah........You're ayahuasca is showing..... he he he! :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 16:51:58 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Maharaji and the pope Message: Anyone see the news today about the pope? It seems that in his twilight years he's softening a bit. I mean he's still a completely captured mind, don't get me wrong. Just the other day he issued an encyclical cautioning against not just nihilism but any thought form that questions the assumption that there is an overriding purpose of life. As if just because we can ask 'why?' means it's not a misbegotten question. Anyway, the other day the pope cried a bit in public and asked aloud whether or not he'd been a good spiritual leader, etc. Not that he yet exhibited the courage to invite any answers but still, it's a nice gesture. Now would the Lard himself ever do that? Yeah, maybe sitting around with his brother, having a drink, smoking some reefer, whatever it is he does. Mind you, like I've mentioned beofre, at least through the late 80s Maharaji apparently wasn't telling even Raja Ji much of anything. Still, he might have. Or maybe with the love of his life, Durga Ji, Goddess of Love. Or maybe with Monika..... 'Monika?' 'Yes, Maharaji? What is it, hon'? Need a refill?' 'Yeah, sure. But before you go look at this a minute will ya'?' 'What? You're not looking at that crazy ex page again, are you? Those guys are SUCH assholes! And that fucking Malibu Mole! Any luck yet .. 'No, no, I'm not looking at that...' 'Well, you're not reading that Enjoyingwhatever page, are you? I mean, I love you too, Maharaji. You saw my own little entry there, didn't you sweetie? But talk about boring..' 'Excuse me! Really, Monika, these are my premies you're talking about. You know, in my own special way, I love each one of them every bit as much as ..' 'Yeah, they might touch you here alright, but do they touch you HERE? Hm? Do they?' 'Ha ha... hey, cut that out! You're BAD, you know? Ms. Mind herself come to haunt me!' 'Yeah, right! You're lucky I don't just pack you up and send you back up the hill, bud.' 'Please don't call me that! Okay, enough fooling around. Come here, I want you to see something. See? It looks like the pope started crying the other day and asking if he'd been a good pope and everything. What do you think of that?' 'I don't know. He did, did he? Fuck, I always thought the guy was a little too tight for such a public display of..' 'Well, I thought so too, I think. But listen, it seems like people really liked it. Here, read this. See how they're talking about how human and humble he appeared?' 'Maharaji, you're not thinking of trying something like this, are you? I mean, don't forget, he's just the pope, you know?' 'Yeah, I understand but think about it. The pope asks all these questions but it's not as if he let's anyone answer or anything. Know what I mean? It's a nice touch. Come on, you gotta admit it. Look, get me a drink. I want to read this whole thing.' 'Maharaji, you might be the Lord of the Universe ... sorry, Master, and all, but you sure aren't a fast reader, are you? What'd you learn besides a little flawed biology at the school you went to?' 'Hey, that wasn't my fault! I told you that's what they taught us! Christ, you too? Anyway, I'm not sure I even said that. Some fo those translations back then were pretty iffy. .... Okay, thanks. Mmmm. I love this stuff! .... Alright, here, look Monica, this article is kind of cool. The pope gets all this credit for being a little human just because he was so authoritarian all this time. See?' 'Yeah, I see. I still don't know why you need to worry about this shit. Your premies just plain love you no matter what. Hey, have you seen the way they laugh at your jokes? Give me a break, Maharaji. You're worrying about nothing.' 'Well, I dunno. I just thought that maybe if I could at least make them feel for the man in me and not just the master, you know? It might make them even stronger in their devotion. Might take care of some of that ex flack I keep getting too.' 'Oh honey, you are so merciful, aren't you? Sometimes I look at you and I remember just how infinite your love really is. No wonder Marolyn's never been able to replace you. Come here, lover, and turn that silly thing off. Listen, baby, you don't have to worry about your premies. They've got you inside, remember? Look, you're always with them! Isn't that neat! And as for those ex assholes, boy if I only knew who that Mole is...' 'Yeah, me too.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 20:52:00 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: Jim Subject: Maharaji and the pope Message: My god, Jim, you do break the taboos! I think you and Nigel should write fiction together. This dialogue is brilliant. You could out-do Terry Prachett (have you read his book about the end of the world - I can't remember its name. I think you'd enjoy it). I surely enjoy your so-very-ex stance. It does, you will be glad to hear, provide an enlightening contrast to my own still-part-premie mind-set. Not that I have any intention of becoming a full-blown atheist, mind you. Best wishes, Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 21:02:34 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Diz Subject: Maharaji and the pope Message: Thanks Diz, I don't know about writing anything seriously besides a few songs. Thanks for the suggestion though. As for atheism....... in due course, Diz. In due course. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 11:34:45 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Y2K Solution Message: THE Y2K SOLUTION: Tech Services has defined a lower cost alternative to windows NT conversions that also addresses the Y2K (Year 2000) issue: The goal is to remove all computers from the desktop by Jan, 1999. Instead, everyone will be provided with an Etch-A-Sketch. There are many sound reasons for doing this: 1. No Y2K problems 2. No technical glitches keeping work from being done. 3. No more wasted time reading and writing emails. After a trial run, here are some of the most frequently asked questions about Etch-A-Sketch received by our Help Desk: Q: My Etch-A-Sketch has all of these funny little lines all over the screen. A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: How do I turn my Etch-A-Sketch off? A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: What's the shortcut for Undo? A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: How do I create a New Document window? A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: How do I set the background and foreground to the same color? A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: What is the proper procedure for rebooting my Etch-A-Sketch? A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: How do I delete a document on my Etch-A-Sketch? A: Pick it up and shake it. Q: How do I save my Etch-A-Sketch document? A: Don't shake it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 18:56:39 (EDT)
From: Sir D Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Bobby Subject: Y2K Solution Message: That's good Bobby. And as an addendum; the best way to solve all the problems with Bill Gates' crap software is to swing a pick-axe above your head and insert the pointed bit firmly into the processor of the computer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Oct 18, 1998 at 19:15:02 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Sir D Subject: B. Gate's crap software Message: They practically MAKE us use it at work! I still prefer my 1994 Digital UNIX Alpha. They don't even make it anymore, but I like it better. Can't get the South Park cartoons to run though, so the NT box IS good for something. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 17:01:35 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Selene Subject: Can you say, '..... Message: Selene: 'Linux?' The REAL INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH operating system that runs on ALL real processors. BTW, did you know that the folks that did the graphics for 'Titanic' couldn't get the processing power from an NT box? They used LINIX in distributed processing mode to perform the magic. Now tell me, which o/s is real.... hmmmmm???? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:45:37 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Mike Subject: Can you say, '..... Message: Linux is a great idea. I have been procrastinating getting into true geek mode and partitioning the disk so I can run half linux and half nt. I have never done that, and I imagine a Pentium is a nightmare to partition so.... Someday, if I get inspired. Meanwhile I just use my Digital UNIX. They did a great job, it's too bad it didn't get popular. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 18:50:45 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Selene Subject: Can you say, '.....Off-topic Message: Selene: It's easier to partition the NT box than you might think. Get a copy of redhat or slackware and I'll walk you thru. LINUX IS! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Oct 20, 1998 at 11:02:58 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Mike Subject: Can you say, '.....Off-topic Message: Thanks Mike I may do that, later :-) Too much computing in my life at the moment. The most interest I can drum up other than my work I have to do is email and web surfing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 03:42:16 (EDT)
From: Bill Cooper Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Y2K Solution Message: Dear Help desk, Everytime I try to print a document on my etch a sketch it stalls.Do you think I might have a virus ? ps did you ever waste an afternoon going backwards and forwards to completely clear the screen ? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Oct 19, 1998 at 08:09:13 (EDT)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Bill Cooper Subject: Y2K Solution Message: answer: pick it up and shake it Return to Index -:- Top of Index |