Ex-Premie.Org

Forum III Archive # 40

From: Feb 26, 1999

To: Mar 8, 1999

Page: 5 Of: 5



Jim -:- Hey, what ABOUT Holy Breath? -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 19:24:39 (EST)
__JHB -:- Hey, what ABOUT Holy Breath? -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 19:43:37 (EST)
__nigel -:- garlic and onions -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:57:15 (EST)
__JW -:- Still On the Menu? -:- Tues, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:19:24 (EST)

Us -:- Calling Denise -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:29:27 (EST)
__Rick -:- Calling Denise -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:51:08 (EST)
__Zac -:- Calling US -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:56:48 (EST)
____Zac -:- Why is it only worth two cents -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 14:01:26 (EST)
__Denise -:- Calling Denise -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 15:47:15 (EST)
____Nim -:- Calling Denise -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 17:21:11 (EST)
______Denise -:- M's quote -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:18:36 (EST)
________Nim -:- M's quote -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:24:26 (EST)
______little brother -:- Calling Denise -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 21:55:59 (EST)
________Nim -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 02:29:44 (EST)
__________little brother -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:25:37 (EST)
____________Nim -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:59:02 (EST)
______________little brother -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 12:03:30 (EST)
________________Nim -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 12:48:03 (EST)
__________________little brother -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 14:57:13 (EST)
____________________Nim -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 17:11:53 (EST)
______________________little brother -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 18:15:05 (EST)
________________________Nim -:- Calling Denise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 19:42:46 (EST)
__________________________little brother -:- For Brian or katie -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 21:59:14 (EST)
____________________________Nim -:- For Brian or katie -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 22:53:26 (EST)
____________________________Katie -:- Hey little brother -:- Tues, Mar 02, 1999 at 08:08:37 (EST)
______________________________little brother -:- Hey little brother -:- Tues, Mar 02, 1999 at 20:53:46 (EST)
__ham -:- Calling Us -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 19:52:48 (EST)
__nigel -:- Us Cavalry to the rescue... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:32:58 (EST)
____Denise -:- Us Cavalry to the rescue... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:49:04 (EST)
______nigel -:- Us Cavalry to the rescue... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:15:34 (EST)
________Denise -:- Us Cavalry to the rescue... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 22:28:04 (EST)
__________nigel -:- Sorry, I misunderstood. -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 23:38:30 (EST)
____________op -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 00:42:26 (EST)
______________Nim -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:14:10 (EST)
________________Nim -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:40:31 (EST)
______________Marshall -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:27:21 (EST)
________________Helen -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 14:57:28 (EST)
______________Jean-Michel -:- no cavalry needed: IDIOCY -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 06:32:55 (EST)
______________Jim -:- That's chilling, op -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 09:02:35 (EST)
______________Rick -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 11:55:57 (EST)
________________Nim -:- no cavalry, I promise -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 16:57:25 (EST)

Rick -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:27:36 (EST)
__Roger Drek -:- *** Best of the Forum *** -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:57:41 (EST)
__Nim -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 15:56:25 (EST)
____Rick -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 16:11:11 (EST)
____Robyn -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 18:55:03 (EST)
______Nim -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 22:52:27 (EST)
________Robyn -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 00:20:12 (EST)
__________Nim -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:50:50 (EST)
____________Jethro -:- Hey NIM -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 06:32:58 (EST)
______________Helen -:- Hey NIM -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 22:34:52 (EST)
________________Nim -:- Hey NIM -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:00:58 (EST)
__________Jethro -:- Secret of Nimh -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 06:30:33 (EST)
____________Nim -:- Secret of Nimh -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 13:24:46 (EST)
______________Robyn -:- Nim! :(` -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 23:15:19 (EST)
________________NIM -:- Robyn:(` -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 00:06:21 (EST)
____________Robyn -:- Secret of Nimh -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 23:07:35 (EST)
____________Robyn -:- lehaim -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 23:10:59 (EST)
______________Jethro -:- Robyn - lehaim -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 04:18:00 (EST)
________________Robyn -:- Robyn - lehaim -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 05:10:02 (EST)
__________________Helen -:- Robyn - lehaim -:- Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 20:36:39 (EST)
__John -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 17:47:22 (EST)
____bill -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:56:07 (EST)
____Helen -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 22:38:44 (EST)
__nigel -:- Everybody read! (nt) -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:41:20 (EST)
__bill -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:42:21 (EST)
__Helen -:- Dumb Nostalgia -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 22:30:08 (EST)

chr -:- madness in M's world -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 08:42:54 (EST)
__Helen -:- madness in M's world -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:03:48 (EST)
__Malc -:- madness in M's world -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:47:58 (EST)
____chr -:- madness in M's world -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:18:13 (EST)
____bill -:- madness in M's world -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 02:02:34 (EST)
__Orlando -:- jumping to conclusions... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 10:18:14 (EST)
____Runamok -:- security precautions -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:23:48 (EST)
______Us -:- Insecurity cautions -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:12:28 (EST)
________Runamok -:- You Come Across as Violent -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 16:17:25 (EST)
____Katie -:- jumping to conclusions... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 15:32:31 (EST)
______chr -:- jumping to conclusions... -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 17:55:34 (EST)
______Orlando -:- jumping to conclusions... -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 10:26:47 (EST)
__Roger Drek -:- *** Best of the Forum *** -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 11:45:08 (EST)

honest abe -:- honest -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:02:13 (EST)
__dishonest babe -:- honest -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 06:26:24 (EST)
__Roger Drek -:- *** Best of the Forum *** -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:12:39 (EST)

Jean-Michel -:- EV-DLM Papers & no Banners -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 04:19:10 (EST)
__JHB -:- EV-DLM Papers & no Banners -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:49:25 (EST)
____Jean-Michel -:- Cookies on my site -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 08:57:47 (EST)
______Brian -:- Cookies on my site -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:49:47 (EST)
________Jean-Michel -:- Cookies on my site -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 14:01:25 (EST)
__________barney -:- It's French to me -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 14:11:46 (EST)
____________Jean-Michel -:- More about the cookie -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:27:24 (EST)

Benny -:- whatever -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:41:12 (EST)
__Selene -:- whatever -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:50:33 (EST)
____Benny -:- whatever -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 00:18:05 (EST)
______Selene -:- whatever -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 16:35:33 (EST)
__Runamok -:- whatever -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:56:11 (EST)
____benny -:- whatever -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:44:47 (EST)
__Gail -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:38:30 (EST)
____you know -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 02:20:41 (EST)
____chr -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 02:57:26 (EST)
______Denny -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 03:51:55 (EST)
________Jean-Michel -:- HAVE A GOOD TIME! -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:34:54 (EST)
______Helen -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:14:03 (EST)
________chr -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 18:07:19 (EST)
______Selene -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:48:12 (EST)
________chr -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 22:06:55 (EST)
__________Marshall -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 02:17:29 (EST)
____________Selene -:- whatever--NOT -:- Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 14:33:02 (EST)

Zac -:- Maharji's a real pro -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 21:11:50 (EST)
__Selene -:- Maharji's a real pro -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:10:14 (EST)
____Selene -:- The Stand -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:41:29 (EST)
______benny -:- The Stand -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 00:35:08 (EST)
________ham -:- The Stand -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 02:49:08 (EST)
________ex-mug -:- The Stand -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:14:51 (EST)
____Zac -:- Maharji's a real pro -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:33:01 (EST)
__Beppy -:- Maharji's a real pro -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:28:35 (EST)
____Zac -:- Beppy-Maharji's a real pro -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:42:13 (EST)

Happy -:- Slimy creatures -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:11:51 (EST)
__Runamok -:- Slimy creatures -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:53:01 (EST)
____Happy -:- Slimy creatures -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:54:46 (EST)
____barney -:- a really far out idea -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:29:46 (EST)
__moron -:- Slimy creatures -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 11:14:39 (EST)
__Garth -:- Slimy creatures -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 12:06:30 (EST)
____Jerry Springer -:- so you and Helen are an item? -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:09:50 (EST)
______Garth -:- so you and Helen are an item? -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:31:20 (EST)
________Robyn -:- so you and Helen are an item? -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 17:20:33 (EST)
______Helen -:- so you and Helen are an item? -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:39:55 (EST)
________Garth -:- Friendship -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 15:21:49 (EST)
__________Helen -:- Friendship -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 16:53:18 (EST)
____dv -:- Ignore them, they'll go awaynt -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 08:56:38 (EST)
__Katie -:- my advice on slime -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:20:16 (EST)
____ham -:- my advice on slime/happy -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:51:22 (EST)
__cp -:- YA -:- Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:37:34 (EST)

BOG -:- Garth -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 06:53:22 (EST)
__Garth -:- Garth -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 09:16:36 (EST)
____Jethro -:- Garth -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:02:28 (EST)

Roger Drek -:- Chronicles Chapter 8! -:- Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 03:37:15 (EST)


Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 19:24:39 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Hey, what ABOUT Holy Breath?
Message:
Miloochie said this in his darshan nostaliga travelogue below:

The Holy Breath thing is just as nagging to you. How is it that he can just curve his forefinger to touch the end of his thumb, pass it in front of his slightly parted lips and the new premie can be transformed for the rest of their life?

What a good question. I'd plumb forgot. Maharaji used to say Holy Breath was an essential part of receiving k, a once in a lifetime chance to properly bond with one's guru. Well, premies, what happened? Holy Breath's no longer on the menu. Care to explain?
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 19:43:37 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey, what ABOUT Holy Breath?
Message:
My first darshan was at Copenhagen in 1974. The organisation of the line was totally chaotic, and it was running late. So what they did is speed it up so that when I passed Maharaji I was running. I had been really worried about the holy breath thing anyway, like how do I cup my hand over my ear, and which ear was it anyway. There was a band playing and they upped the tempo, also some guy with the PA was yelling for us to go faster, and saying don't worry, because 'He's giving Holy Breath to everybody'.
Apart from the disappointment of my first darshan being so quick, I never felt that I'd had Holy Breath.

John.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:57:15 (EST)
From: nigel
Email: Nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Jim
Subject: garlic and onions
Message:
Hi Jim,

I started a thead about the holy breath thing about nine months back, but nobody, apart from our good friend Aoa-ji joined in. I'll see if I can find my original - since I can't be bothered with all that typing. The thing is, holy breath - at the time - was the one and only life event that vaguely resembled a paranormal experience I'd ever had and which was to subsequently keep me involved for years.

It retrospect it was a crock. (could discuss at length, but life is too short...)
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Date: Tues, Mar 02, 1999 at 02:19:24 (EST)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Still On the Menu?
Message:
I think it might still be part of the wine list. Maharaji still gives darshan, including in Amaroo to Westerners in 1997. If he's giving darshan, I would assume he's also giving 'holy breath.' Maybe he can con people into travelling halfway around the world to get the once in a lifetime experience.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:29:27 (EST)
From: Us
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Hey Denise,
Remember M's great analogy about light and dark. That the best way to get rid of darkness is to bring in some light. Don't try to remove all the negativity that you find on this site, just trust the experience you know you've had. Most of what's written here is the misunderstandings of a few dozen people who think they are so perfect that they don't make mistakes. Therefore the only way to explain what's happening in their lives is to blame someone else. And not just someone else but someone that they clearly never understood in the first place. And the best they can complain of is stuff that Maharaji and hundreds of thousands of other people left behind 25 years ago.
Still I can see from your posts that you not sure whether to practice Knowledge or not, so I guess it's good to spend time at this site to hang out with the sort of people who bitch about life instead of celebrating it.
Good luck!
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:51:08 (EST)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Us
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Good thinking, Us! Nothing like some of that good old fashioned Satsang that hundreds of thousands of people left behind 25 years ago. Hey, and why not just think of it as service (oops, participation). Service got left behind 25 years ago. Well, actually they just changed the name. But shit, let's not sweat the small stuff.

And let's not forget the most important part... being CHEERY. Because, goddamn, if we can't have bliss anymore, let's just be POSITIVE! Oh, don't worry about intelligence, Denise; that'll just lead you into complaining and moaning. Just focus on the gift that the Hamster gave us. That's all we need.

Yeah, that's it, by golly, let's just be DUMMIES!!!!!!!

YEAYIEEEEEE!!!!!!
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:56:48 (EST)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Us
Subject: Calling US
Message:
Us since you posted this to everyone I can't help myself.
Care to enlight me on why you posted that drivel. You clearly haven't familiarized yourself with this page. Only the names have changed in 25 years the essence of the game is the same. Secondly what, pray tell, is your interest in Denise? Giving her the, from darkness to light satsang ain't gonna do it. This is one of the things that drove me crazy about being involved and not very long ago. No one, I mean no one, was willing to treat you like an adult who could think for themselves and didn't need your two-cent premie group control jive or the threat of it coming any minute.
If Denise is gonna jump ship or stay with the guru it isn't gonna be through your help. I am certain she has several friend's who are premies who know and care about her who she can have an open conversation with or, correct me if I am wrong, is that impossible in the group these days. But to have some stranger who is a premie post their two cents worth is making me sick. Nothing has changed!
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 14:01:26 (EST)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: US
Subject: Why is it only worth two cents
Message:
Cause your just parroting the guru, US. That drivel ain't coming from YOU.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 15:47:15 (EST)
From: Denise
Email: None
To: Us
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Hello Us,

You've got it all wrong about me. You obviously haven't read what I've written. I never have any intention of not practicing Knowledge, it's always been a great experience for me. That's not even an issue for me at all and I doubt will ever be.

My problem is with M not being upfront about the past and it really bothers me that he is always begging for money to aid in propagation but in the mean time getting richer and richer. I don't mind him being wealthy either, as long as it's from gifts to him personally and not taken from a fund premies have been donating to for propagation. I'm just not sure how honest he's been. I understand these are all just allegations, but it has entered my mind in the past, too. The room devoted to selling 'trinkets' really bothers me and has from the first time I saw it. I perceive K to be pure and this makes it so commercial, like it's a product also.

Anyway, on the positive side, I do remember the bringing light into darkness satsang and I believe the message. M does have a way of pointing out things I need to hear.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 17:21:11 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Denise
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Hi Denise,
I adressed a previous post much further down on this page to you and Gail. Perhaps you missed it, so I thought I 'd bring it up here.
In your post above you said,
M does have a way of pointing out things I need to hear. (emphasis my own)
Denise I would like to ask you(and please only answer if and when you feel comfortable), what does m say in the following qoute that you believe you need to here.
The quote is very recent, m in Montreal, only last May 1998.
You want to hold onto your principles? You want to know whats going to happen? I'll tell you what's going to happen. Your ship is going to sink! You want to hold onto your principles? I'll tell you what's going to happen. You're going to die!!(emphasis m's own)
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Nim:)
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:18:36 (EST)
From: Denise
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: M's quote
Message:
Nim, unless I know what he was talking about in more detail, I can't judge that. I need to hear or read it in context of the rest of the satsang.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:24:26 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Denise
Subject: M's quote
Message:
Fair enough ,Denise.
But the quote is very powerful and I'm sure you will agree.
BTW, and I do have to stress this point, that it's not from one of m's satsangs of the early years. It's m today, only 10 months ago in Montreal.( I was there and there were a thousand other people in attendance.)
And there was m asking people, literally to abandon their principles, and prophesizing horrible consequences for them if they didn't follow suit. That much is clear from his words regardless of the context or the rest of his talk.
For me lights, bells and whistles went off on that one.
Denise, I believe if you're sincere in your stated reason in coming here, to look into why M is getting such a bad rap and to see for yourself if it's justified(at least that's more or less how I understood it), then you'll want to look into this quote a little more, and in a manner that fully satisfies you.
So perhaps you can take all that vim and vigour with which you explored m's early period and focus on m today. I'm sure you'll be able to track down the video and see the context of the quote for yourself and it would well be worth yor while to do so, IMHHO.
In another time and/or place, a statement of that nature could be conceived of as an act of human heresy.
I hope Denise, that with that in mind, you'll do what you have to do to find out for yourself, 'What does this quote from m mean to me.'
Unless you're afraid to find out?
I mean ,do you really want to shatter your outer connection to m? Your inner connection to the positive and good feeling and experience that you get from the techniques will ALWAYS be there,if you want it too, because its yours, not his. But your outer connection to m will shatter, no doubt about it , if you set out to CONSCIOUSLY find out the truth about m.
Can you accept that? How badly do you want to find out the truth about m, if it means that whatever good feeling you may have had or still have for him dies in the process.?
I believe that at the end of the day, a pwk has to want the truth more than they want m.
When that happens you'll see that yes, I've been part of a cult all this time, and then as Jim mentioned to you in a previous post, it really begins to leave you. You don't have to leave it.
Cults have a way of turning on people, Denise, and when that happens the process is almost always quite painful, depending on certain factors , such as the length of time and the depth of the person's involvement.
If there's any way you can turn on the cult before it turns on you, consider yourself truly fortunate and go for it.
Whatever you do, whatever you decide... I wish you the best.
Nim.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 21:55:59 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Well... I wasn't there but from the little bit you've posted here it sounds to me like you're misreading what M's point is in that bit of quotation. It doesn't sound to me like he's saying that if you try to hold on to your principles you'll die, but that he's doing the classic guru thing of telling you that while you're so busy trying to hold on to things or aspects of your personality life itself is slipping away and therefore you should focus on what (he sees) is important in 'this life'. I don't think he's literally saying that you'll die if you're a principled person.

Like a long time ago I heard him say something like (and this isn't an exact quote) '....Pass? You want to pass? Oh you'll pass all right. You will pass away' It's just all part of what he sees as his role to remind you that your ('this') life is very short so don't get distracted by what's not important.

And yes of course I think principals are important. I'm just trying to explain what I think he's getting at in that quote, which is really an age old theme for him I think.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 02:29:44 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Ok, I get it. Nil gets to do the bullshit revisionist chant for what m said in the 70's and 80's, but now you'll take over for whatever m said in the 90's? Cool.
Now here's the quote:
You want to hold onto your principles? You want to know what's going to happen ? I'll tell you what's going to happen. Your ship's going to sink! You want to hold on to your principles? I'll tell you what's going to happen. You're going to die!!(emphasis m's)
Now, your INTERPRETATON of what m is REALLY saying:
he's doing the classic guru thing of telling you that while you're so busy trying to hold on to things or aspects of your personality life itself is slipping away and therefore you should focus on what (he sees) is important in 'this life. I don't think he's literally saying that you'll die if you're a principled person.(emphasis my own)
Now talking about bullshit revisionism.
What m wants in the 90's is exactly the same thing he wanted in the 70's. In the 70's he said 'Surrender the reigns of your life to me'. Why? So he could take over the reigns.
In the 90's he's telling people to to let go of their principles, so that they then become dependant on m's principles, which in his mind are far superior, because after all , he's m, and they're not.
And what are m's principles that he exhorts his pwks to follow ?Think of Maharaji, remember Maharaji, do for Maharaji. What's important is what's important to Maharaji. Allow Maharaji's principles to become your own.
And what are the consequences of not following m's dribble? Well little brother, we all know that m isn't saying you will LITERALLY die(although we all might want to contact the spirit of Bob Mishler and see what he thinks of this), but what m means to say is , you will die AS A PREMIE, if you hold onto YOUR principles, and do not allow MINE to take over.
And yes, that is the classic guru thing.
It's the classic guru CONTROL thing.
And I say to you, and I say to the one whom I used to refer to with the greatest of affection as 'THE BOSS'
No one, but no one, need abandon their principles in order for them to focus on what's truly important to them, let alone allow m's principles to take over in their life.
Finally you said,
It's just all part of what he sees as his role to remind you that your ('this') life is very short so don't get distracted by what's not important.
I believe it is m's constant, almost obsessive harping on the subject of death, that is one of the most revolting aspect of his Rhadasoami sizzle.
You see we all feel powerless in the face of death. By costantly reminding people of the inevitabilty of their death, m is reinforceing these feelings of powerlessness in their lives, thus making them more dependant on him, and on what he see's as essential for their well being.
That of course is m's well being. Always has, always will be.
It's really an issue of control. An issue of power.
And one mor thing,little brother, m doesn't care about people. He cares about himself.
If he did care about people, he would have stopped Jagdeo from molesting innocent children.
Now, if m wasn't principled enough to stop Jagdeo, who the fuck does he think he is to talk about principles at all?
Good nite little brother.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:25:37 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
So I'm the 'revisionist chanter' for the 90's? Kinda funny that is. Hey bro, guess what? I'm not even a premie.

Like I said yesterday, I wasn't there. In fact what you quoted was all I've heard from that talk of his. Perhaps I jumped the gun by assuming I knew what you were getting at with it. You've made yourself clear in this post and I can appreciate what you're saying. I guess you can interpret those words in the light of his desire to control. On the other hand the premies probably wouldn't see it that way even after reading your post here.

I guess it's all about perspective. Like the way you assumed that I was a premie. From that assumptive perspective my words may have sounded different to you then they would have had you known I wasn't a premie. Or then again maybe what I said would have struck you in the exact same light.

Hindsight's 20/20 so who the hell really knows now right?
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:59:02 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
So I'm the 'revisionist chanter' for the 90's? Kinda funny that is. Hey bro, guess what? I'm not even a premie.
READ MY POST.
Tell me, where in my post did I refer to you as being a premie?
For all I know, unless you make it clear, which of course you didn't (which is the case with all of m's emmisaries, premies or non...they never make anything clear) then you could be anyone...even a hired ringer.
I assumed nothing, little brother and guess what.
You don't have to be a premie to be one of m's bullshit revisionist chanters.
And sweetheart, trust me, that's what you are.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 12:03:30 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Why should I trust you darling? And for that matter my love, how do you know where I stand vis a vis Maharaji?

Tell me then, exactly where do I stand re: M? How am I one of his revisionists?

Do you really thing you've got me pegged based on one or two freaking posts? You must be an intuitive genius the likes of which 'this world' has never seen.

Back up your words you psychic wunderkind.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 12:48:03 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Do you really thing you've got me pegged based on one or two freaking posts? You must be an intuitive genius the likes of which 'this world' has never seen
Thank you, little brother Nil.
Your brother, Nim
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 14:57:13 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
You're very welcome. Thing is though, I'm not nil.

Now you can't answer the questions can you.

Truth is I read your post and played a little devils advocate is all. If this site was called ex-reaganite.org and I saw someone interpret old ron's words in a way I thought could be looked at some other way based on what I knew to be Reagan's outlook would that make me a 'Reagan revisionist'?

Did I ever say that my initial ruminating on those quotes you provided was fact? I don't think so.

If you'd re-read my second post to you you'll see that I made it clear that you had explained yourself better and I thanked you for that. Then you turn around and jump on me with your theories of what I am.

You're well off the mark bud, can you accept that?
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 17:11:53 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
I've reexamined our conversation here.
Are these the questions you claim I haven't answered?

Tell me then, exactly where do I stand re: M? How am I one of his revisionists?

There are really only two questions here.
The first is for you to answer. The second I've already answered for you.
You just can't accept it.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 18:15:05 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Oh this is so ridiculous. All right, you win. I accept. You've made your point. Peace.

Just one more thing though. I'm absolutely not an apologist or revisionist for M and I really couldn't care less whether you believe, accept, understand this.....or whatever.

I'm just a lurker who seems to have made a real mistake by daring to throw my two cents in here. Ever felt misunderstood?
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 19:42:46 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: Calling Denise
Message:
Just one more thing though. I'm absolutely not an apologist or revisionist for M and I really couldn't care less whether you believe, accept, understand this.....or whatever.
Bullshit!
You're all of the above and a pathetic liar as well.
Got to go little brother Nil.
You take care.
Nim
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 21:59:14 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: For Brian or katie
Message:
Hello webmaster people. This person nim keeps insisting that I am a liar and am in fact another poster named 'nil'. As I've already told nim I am neither what he has accused me of being, nor am I who he has accused me of being. This guy for god only knows what reason continues to libel me. (maybe he's kidding? maybe it's not really him? I don't know but I find it really weird)

Where do you folks come in? Well barring Nil actually reading mine and nim's now absurd exchange and explaining that I am indeed not Nil (which this nim person wouldn't believe anyway it seems)Maybe you have the ability to check mine and nil's isp's and verify for nim the fact that I'm not Nil? (without of course revealing exact isp's but simply confirming that 'nope, ain't the same'-I'd appreciate that discretion if possible. Thank-you. ) Then maybe this nim person will realise his error. And who knows? Maybe this person will apologise?

Thanks

By the way, I first posted to this site using the name little brother as a reaction to checking out M's website and not being able to access it w/out accepting cookies. Never thought I'd have to explain my name but little brother in that context was simply a play on 'big brother is watching you'. So if he's big brother then I'm little brother. Also, I've noted your policy of sticking with the same name which is why I've been stuck using little brother.

Think I'll go back to lurking now. It was far less twilight zoneish.

Great democratic site by the way. And Nim, don't know why I'm still bothering but if you are serious then all I can tell you is I hope you come to realise that I'm not a 'liar'. And also, believe it or not I have enjoyed your other posts and am not really angry with you (although I wish you'd stop whatever it is you're doing? Kidding?) I guess if you really think that I'm someone else and you really aren't too happy with that other person it's perhaps understandable why you've doled out this treatment. It's not too nice but I think I understand?

Take care folks, and to quote Mr. king, 'can't we all just get along?' Premies, exes, other....the whole shabang. We're all just people trying to do our best right? Hope so. Anyway I've learnt from all this so I guess that's good.

Over and out.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 22:53:26 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: For Brian or katie
Message:
Hey stop wasting peoples time!!
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Date: Tues, Mar 02, 1999 at 08:08:37 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: little brother
Subject: Hey little brother
Message:
Hi Little Brother -
You asked for mediation, so here it is. I've read your exchanges with Nimrod, and with all due respect to Nimrod (who I like very much), I cannot figure out why he thinks you are Nil. I tend to take people at face value on here unless they do something weird, and I don't think you have.

You wrote:
Hello webmaster people...
Where do you folks come in? Well barring Nil actually reading mine and nim's now absurd exchange and explaining that I am indeed not Nil (which this nim person wouldn't believe anyway it seems)Maybe you have the ability to check mine and nil's isp's and verify for nim the fact that I'm not Nil? (without of course revealing exact isp's but simply confirming that 'nope, ain't the same'-I'd appreciate that discretion if possible.


I could do that, but it really wouldn't prove anything, if you know what I mean. I do believe that you are NOT Nil, if that helps.

Also, I've noted your policy of sticking with the same name which is why I've been stuck using little brother.

Think I'll go back to lurking now. It was far less twilight zoneish.


We just SUGGEST that you use the same screen name, and I appreciate you doing that - it makes it a lot easier for all concerned, and it does facilitate communication. I'm sorry you got into the thing with Nimrod, but my advice on that is not to answer his posts if you and he/she don't get along. This works real well for other people. If you are sincere, there are plenty of other people here that you can communicate with, and I hope you'll make the attempt and not go back to lurking.

Take care folks, and to quote Mr. king, 'can't we all just get along?' Premies, exes, other....the whole shabang. We're all just people trying to do our best right? Hope so.

I hope so too, and, actually, I've been really happy to see premies, exes, AND others getting along on this site. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, I think it's great.

And one more piece of unsolicited advice :), it might help communication if you told people here a little bit about yourself. You don't have to reveal any personal details or anything - just let people get to know you a little. Again, I have read your posts and I think that they are fair and you are making an honest effort to communicate.

Take care,
Katie
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Date: Tues, Mar 02, 1999 at 20:53:46 (EST)
From: little brother
Email: None
To: Katie+ 'nil' u read this?
Subject: Hey little brother
Message:
Katie,

Thank-you very much for this. I'm definitely not 'nil' and I'm sure as hell glad that at least someone has recognized that I've been telling the truth. Now I know what it's like to be wrongfully accused and it's mucho weird lemme tell ya! The nimrod was condescending, accusatory, pompous, vulgar, and actually called me a 'pathetic liar'. Where I'm from all that crap is something he owes me an apology for but I don't think he's that dignified from what I've experienced.

About myself. I was around in the late 80's for a few years. Never got too involved and hadn't thought much about M in the past decade or so until starting to surf the net. This site has been a real eye opener and I like the lack of censorship and often brutal honesty here. Very different then the 'certain topics are not to be discussed' EV atmosphere. Plus there have been many interesting off topic chats that I've read. What do I think of M and Ev? Guess I'm still sorting that out but for some reason I actually feel quite detached from the topic emotionally yet at the same time I find it fascinating.

Anyway thanks a million for recognising my sincerity, and if you can put yourself in my shoes can you imagine how weird that interaction was for me?! Sheeeesh!

Peace
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 19:52:48 (EST)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Us
Subject: Calling Us
Message:
(1) Why do you want to get rid of the darkness?

(2) Why are you so worried or even bothered, wasting your time here on such a small number of egotistical neanderthals having an effect on someone, or their sorry production, since no-one with any real understanding, obviously the majority of the eels followers, will take any notice of posts that are so transparently wrong?

(3) Since, like a lot of premies posting here, you are so good at textual analysis verging on the telepathic, how did you manage to get Denises approach to k so wrong, and manage to miss the huge amount of life celebration that goes on here?

(4) Why, when I want to, are the effects of meditation more beneficial since I clearly saw what a mind-sucking worm he truly is?

(5) Is the eel perfect or is he a human, is it completely out of order to ever criticize him at all?

(6) Maybe I'm misreading yourt post, but it all seems to be focusing on negativity, bitching even, how is that possible for someone in such a positive frame of mind?
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:32:58 (EST)
From: nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Us
Subject: Us Cavalry to the rescue...
Message:
Hello Us (cute name!) How ya doin?

It occurs to me you might not be a patronising tossbag in real life. But we need more evidence...

And has it crossed the vacant slot in your brain that once passed for cognitive processing that Denise might have a mind of her own? - and so might you if you were to crush underfoot those guru-tinted specs and clear out the attic.

I'm not sure you have even read, let alone understood the life experiences, problems, disillusionment and pain that the people here are talking about. Denise has come further than you - that's for sure. I'm sure she'll tell you whether she needs you to gather her back to the flock. (Hell, she could even give you therapy, if you ask nicely...) In all probability she will give a polite reply. If she were me, I'd tell you to fuck off.

There are more than 'a few dozen' ex-followers posting here. Try multiplying by ten (and then by ten and ten again and again to include the people who read and appreciate without posting.)

They're not going to go away, and they are going to make M's life a misery. Get used to the idea. Because none of us have anything more to lose from having been involved with the boy who would have been god if his voice had broken. Remember: M has much to lose - and lose it he will. Just as ALL cult leaders lose it eventually... Haven't you noticed?

But maybe you have read all the stuff here (Journeys? Mishler?), yet choose not to understand. In which case, you need help.

Understand what..?

- that Prem is an ordinary person with an extraordinary past. The kid has also mastered perfectly (how else?) the art of running a video business. Also doing headcount stuff in HTML (perfectly, of course).

He isn't God. He is no more special than you. He was born a little baby in India, just like you were born a little baby somewhere else. His daddy was a guru. Yours wasn't (unlucky you). The guru's little baby learned a few tricks whilst doing the nappies, pooing, toddling and colouring in stuff. Think about it. India has lots of gurus and lots of little babies. Lots of the little babies born to lots of guru daddies grow up to be gurus too, and nobody - especially westerners - seems to mind very much which one, provided an authentic lineage going back at least one generation can be vouched for by a clutch of white-robed, baldy headed mahatmas. I mean, this is science...

Yet you follow him. Think about it. Think about evolution by natural selection. Think about Darwin...

Oh soddit... I was about to start going serious on you there for a moment, Us, pal... You aren't going to listen or join in here, are you? You just want Denise to come back into the fold so that her doubts don't influence any watching premies into having doubts of their own. Is that it? Speak to me (Nah, don't..)

Ohmygawd! - I just reread what you wrote:

Most of what's written here is the misunderstandings of a few dozen people who think they are so perfect that they don't make mistakes.

(.................................??????????????!!!!!!!)
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 20:49:04 (EST)
From: Denise
Email: None
To: nigel
Subject: Us Cavalry to the rescue...
Message:
Nigel,

Us is a little irritating but I truthfully want to hear from premies who appear to be using their own thoughts and mind and not mimicing what M says. I like those who can admit to both positive and negative points of having K and not just mush. (Like some of the old premie living room satsang y'all were joking about earlier)
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:15:34 (EST)
From: nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Denise
Subject: Us Cavalry to the rescue...
Message:
Hi Denise,

I'm feeling a bit impolite in that that I keep mentioning you by name, without having spoken to you on forum. Howdya do...

I'm really puzzled, however, that you can think Us has admitted to any 'negative' points about M - or that he (/she?) isn't just mimicking the party line.

As you probably know, I've been around here a long time (too bloody long!), but - as I mentioned in a recent post, I think of all the people who have posted here in support of M, it is only you and SHP who have actually come anywhere near to admitting to 'both positive and negative points of having K'; while the others, to my mind, spout nothing but 'mush.'

As to whether Us will eventually dicuss things, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Hang in there. Toodle-pip.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 22:28:04 (EST)
From: Denise
Email: None
To: nigel
Subject: Us Cavalry to the rescue...
Message:
Hi Nigel,

I take it you're from England, though maybe I got the wrong impression. I live in the U.S. in the Southwest and have been outside most of the day enjoying the warm, sunny weather. Anyway, enough about me.

I think you may have misunderstood my last message about Us, I guess I wasn't clear. What I was trying to say is that Us seems the type that spouts the mush and NOT the type I would like to communicate with. SHP is one premie I can really relate to. Can't tell whether SHP is male or female, but doesn't matter, I think we're both in a similar position at this point.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 23:38:30 (EST)
From: nigel
Email: None
To: Denise
Subject: Sorry, I misunderstood.
Message:
I reread your post, Denise, and realised what you were saying. My mistake.

Yes I'm an Ango-ex (and it is absolutely freezing over here). I have assumed up to now that SHP (Sandy) is male... but I've been caught out before now. Perhaps you better let he/she/it confirm one way or t'other...
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 00:42:26 (EST)
From: op
Email: None
To: denise
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
I wrote you a post below - did you get to read it?

I also agree that the quote Nimrod so loves to cite is rather out of context.

Here is some of what M actually said:

[People] walk into the supermarket of life, and right off the shelf, they don't even know what they are grabbing, but they will grab somebody's idea ... 'This is it. I'm walking out of here.'

... people just go wild, just throwing things ... in their basket. What are you buying? Do you need this? I see a lot of people living this existence in a very brute fashion. 'This is it. These are the things, these are my principles.'


(since I'm not posting the entire speech here, I hope you will forgive a little explanation - in other words, M is talking about people who tend to pick their principles at random, just because someone else is offering them)

Look around you. ... Nature is an incredible force. It has no principles. It flows with what is taking place. El Nino comes along, and the whole world's weather changes.

(and then M talks about some weather events that have happened because of El Nino, showing that events that are both healthy and unhealthy for the human population simply keep happening)

People say, 'These are my principles, these are the principles I have to hang onto in my life, otherwise, I don't know what's going to happen to me.' I know exactly what's going to happen to you, you are going to be the boat that sunk in its place. Have you ever seen those? Those boats that people buy and never take out? And then all of a sudden, one day, some calamity happens and all you see is a little bow sticking out. And what is the human being reduced to? A piece of granite which says, RIP on it.

(IN OTHER WORDS: whatever your principles are, you will eventually die. He is not saying 'don't live by your principles', neither is he saying 'people who live by their principles are dead meat'. He is saying, 1st: don't choose your principles out of a grab bag and 2nd: there is something to be aware of in life BEYOND principles.)

(ok Jim? I took the time and here it is. It's actually even longer, but I promise that the ellipses here represent no change in topic that would affect the meaning. If you want the full text, you can see the video.)
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:14:10 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: op
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
Why are the words that I have submitted as being at least part of m's statement, not included in the version you've submitted.
Like I said , lights , bells and whistles went off when I heard these words and I jotted them down immediately after his talk.
Have they been edited out of the video?
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:40:31 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Op
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
Btw, i just read your post below in which you said that my version of the quote was an 'interpolation '
Well now I know for sure that those few lines were edited out of the video.
I guess they were too damaging. Besides, m was really looking mean and angry when he said it.
Enjoy your heavenly deceipt OP.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:27:21 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: op
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
Gee, OP, thanks for putting that in context, now it makes a lot more sense.
IT appears that he's saying people are stupid and just grab blindly onto any principles that are out there, without even knowing what they're doing. Not only that, but people are so stupid that they don't realise that they're going to just die anyway, and since you are going to just die nothing matters anyway, so rip people off and be immoral because anything goes, only the strong survive, nice guys finish last, etc.
Very uplifting.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 14:57:28 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
Right on, Marshall. GM's philosophy is so cynical. And this is supposed to be God? No thank you
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 06:32:55 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: op
Subject: no cavalry needed: IDIOCY
Message:
(IN OTHER WORDS: whatever your principles are, you will eventually die. He is not saying 'don't live by your principles', neither is he saying 'people who live by their principles are dead meat'. He is saying, 1st: don't choose your principles out of a grab bag and 2nd: there is something to be aware of in life BEYOND principles.)

This is one of the MOST STUPID thing I've ever heard (and bought it like you for decades).

Where do you think anybody gets his principles? This is nothing new, and you can't do anything about it: from your parents, the civilization you live in, what happens during your childhood, the people you meet, the people you love, your friends etc.

You never get them randomly, or choosing them from a shelve. It's a bit more complicated. And what's obvious here is that m dismisses everything he doesn't understand, as usual, and premies buy it.

What's transpiring here is where HE got his principles, and obviously he DOES NOT LIKE THEM, and he's VERY UNCLEAR about it.
Remember what he used to say about his mother, and how crazy the situation was in his household! Not talking about what he very likely thinks of his stupid followers. he can't refrain from saying it at times, do you remember? Yow he treats his mahatmas for instance? and his 'organizers'? and the people serving him personnaly?

As the world is obviously someting else for him, that he doesn't quite understand, and never tried to, he keeps saying such STUPID things that become his follower's philosophy.

THIS IS VERY SAD.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 09:02:35 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: op
Subject: That's chilling, op
Message:
(IN OTHER WORDS: whatever your principles are, you will eventually die. He is not saying 'don't live by your principles', neither is he saying 'people who live by their principles are dead meat'. He is saying, 1st: don't choose your principles out of a grab bag and 2nd: there is something to be aware of in life BEYOND principles.)

Op,

First, I have to ask you about Nim's claim that the video's been edited. What are the chances, in your opinion, that that's occurred? How common a practise is it to edit m's speeches? Do you actually know? How do you know? Who else knows? How did they find out? Does EV ever disclose anywhere that m's speeches are sometimes (often? always?) edited in this way? If so, where? If not, why not? Who does the editing? What happens to the original tape? Is it ever possible to rent a 'director's cut'?

Second, again I'm with Nim here. The notion that we grab our principles randomly is absurd. Can you think of a single person that applies to? People might have stupid principles, I guess you might say, but collected randomly? That's a typical m comment. It means nothing but just gives him a chance to strut and preen before his flock, scratching as he does at some ridiculous straw man. This cock of the roost is anaemic.

Third, even if you're right and m said just what you've reported and meant what you think, his message here is chilling. According to your own favoured spin, it means simply this:

We're all going to die anyway, so it doesn't matter how you live your life.

Go ahead, op, I dare you to try to spin this off in some other direction. This is a clear, unavoidable interpretation. Deal with it. It's an exceedingly ugly, reductionist and cynical statement. At least I think so. How about you?
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 11:55:57 (EST)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: op
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
This is definitely a big part of what's wrong with Maharaji: Spirituality without principles. Principles are THE most important thing we have -- without them, spirituality is just greed for bliss, and the sloth of your own happiness without concern for others. Truly this guy is an idiot and he encourages others to be idiots with him.
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 16:57:25 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: no cavalry, I promise
Message:
Principles are THE most important thing we have -- without them, spirituality is just greed for bliss, and the sloth of your own happiness without concern for others.
A quote to be framed. And not on a wall... but in one's mind and heart.
Thanks Rick
Nim
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:27:36 (EST)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
There was some reminiscing, a few threads down, about the old days when satsang was nice and cozy and you could go to Holi festival and get sprayed with color water. The Lord Guru Maharaj Ji would give darshan and you could go through a blue tunnel (just like an after-death experience) and there He'd be, in all his glory. It was so exciting. I remember my adrenaline rushing.

Then there'd be all the premies in the hotel coffee shops, after Darshan, satiated with the Lord's love, chatting away in a social paradise. Premies wore their best finery. And there was nothing like getting a flirtatious glance from a strange Premie of the oppposite sex (or same sex, if that was your orientation). All that Love with a little infatuation.

Then you'd get back to your Community and you'd get back to nightly satsang, and what a rush. Everything was anew, refreshed with the inspiration of Maharaj Ji's Darshan.

What a crock! Look, if you were there in the old days, or actually, if you're there now, too... That was the DUMBEST thing you probably ever did in your whole life

Really, if you were a Premie, or you are a Premie, you made an absolute fool out of yourself. First you sacrificed every last ounce of common sense you had, by buying into the most moronic spiritual trip of the era (with the exception of maybe the Moonies), and then you compomised every inch of your social conscience by abandoning the things you knew were right (helping other people, cultivating friendships, enriching yourself with real knowledge with a small k, taking a stand against bigotry, and following your real 'heart' which told you this guy was a fake). If you had any part in the Premie organization, you acted like a fucking idiot and maybe a Nazi as well.

Really, this is something to be totally embarrassed by. Admitting you had anything to do with Maharaj Ji is like having WEIRD tatooed on your forehead. Anything that seems at all glamorous, in retrospect, had nothing to do with Maharaj Ji. We fell for a ruse and sham, and nothing can be dumber than that.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:57:41 (EST)
From: Roger Drek
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: *** Best of the Forum ***
Message:
I guess that I'm going to town here today and adding posts to the Best of the Forum.

Best of the Forum Index

Too gross to say - The Divine Seed

chr - Madness in M's World

Sir Bad Acid - a sick blue mess all over the floor

Rick - Dumb Nostalgia

click here for Roger's House of Drek
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 15:56:25 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
then you compomised every inch of your social conscience by abandoning the things you knew were right (helping other people, cultivating friendships, enriching yourself with real knowledge with a small k, taking a stand against bigotry, and following your real 'heart' which told you this guy was a fake). If you had any part in the Premie organization, you acted like a fucking idiot and maybe a Nazi as well.
So brilliantly stated Rick. And praytell, is it any different today?
Can we not apply the above to a person who today in 1999, accepts another person into their lives presumably as a 'master/
teacher'(although we know that even today , m is in fact more than just that...he's also an idol and the cult IS, as it has always been, a cult of idol worshippers), when that 'master/ teacher/idol can be qoted as utterring the following fuckbrain nazi dribble as recently as last May 1998 in Montreal.
So I'd like to ask people to think of what m is doing today, as we speak as opposed to getting into the dumb nostalgia as you so aptly put it.
Here it is:
You want to hold onto your principles? You want to know whats going to happen? I'll tell you what's going to happen. Your ship is going to sink! You want to hold onto your principles? I'll tell you what's going to happen. You're going to die!!
You're right Rick. WE WERE fucking idiots back then, and people who can follow a guy who is capable of speaking these above words today in 1999, are fucking idiots today.
Only the veneer changes. The essence remains the same.
PS I have repeated the above ' m principles qoute' in a couple of posts already. I believe it is very important to look at m's more recent utterances and actions.
These will reveal that
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 16:11:11 (EST)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Yes, that's an amazing quote. If I was sitting on the fence, that would push me right over.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 18:55:03 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Nim
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Dear Nim,
I can not believe that BM could say that stuff in 1998 and premies could hear it and not be shocked and angered and feel BETRAYED! The really must be 'out' of their minds and if that is what they are aiming for than by Jesus they've accomplished their goal!
If you hold on to your priciples, the things you gauge life by then you are going to die, er...I think he may have meant to say, I will die for surely no one hearing or reading that could have trust and faith in the person who said it!
Thanks, Nim.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 22:52:27 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Hi Robyn! Good to hear from you.
I believe you hit the nail on the head.
If you hold on to your priciples, the things you gauge life by then you are going to die, er...I think he may have meant to say, I will die, for surely no one hearing or reading that could have trust and faith in the person who said it!
Exactly. But this is what his trip is all about, having people abandon their principles, so that they can be replaced with m's own.
And what are m's principles?
IMHHO, I believe they all can be summed up in one big MAHAPRINCIPLE:
What's good for Maharaji, is good for the entire universe.
Isn't that what it's always been about?...m's well being and that of his family, his self-interests, even his whims and fancies.
For premies such as you and I to have had even believed that this little mahaslimey cared one iota for our well- being, is living proof that what really happens in the cult is in fact nothing short of
the hardcore rape of the logical thinking part of innocent peoples' minds(from a post I noticed last week)
Powerful statement but true.
For myself I believe it was the conditioning and programming of the cult along with my own propensity to live my life on a wishful, magical, or fantasy based thinking, that for so long kept me in denial that it was indeed A RAPE that had happened here.
DENIAL, Robyn...it's amazing for me to think about how much denial it took for me to stay with m and his cult all those years.
But that's another story... and heck, I'll never be able to tell it all in one post anyways.
Always nice talking to, and hearing from you Robyn
Love ya,
Nim
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 00:20:12 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Nim
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Dear Nim,
Hi, I didn't really think you'd remember who I was. I think it was when you were first here that I posted to you. Now you seem right at home. :)
This was an excellent post and I hadn't seen that rape of the logical part of ourselves post which is true also. I mean I got off easy in all of this, I know that but that doesn't make BM any less a fraud or any less and idiot or worse. I was just very lucky.
I think that the most important reason for the forum is to help those getting our or those who are thinking of getting in. I can't really imagine how much denial it would take but people tell me I am very gulible and I didn't even fall for it for very long so it must take A LOT of denial. And I am so glad you got out, and all the others that have before and since I landed here. It is just a great place for me to talk to thoughtful people who share a past and a lot of personality traits, a lot of the time. Do you notice that, that we have lots of similarities. I think there is something to that.
Maybe some day you'll write your story and make it as long as it is. :)
Nice talking to and hearing from you too Nim. The Rats from Nim, did you ever see that cartoon, very smart rats! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:50:50 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Thanks for the kind message, Robyn.
BTW, I believe I 'll always remember you Robyn. It was you and VP who welcomed me on to this forum, the very fist time I came on , and it was a great moment for me, and of course ever since, the forum has been just such a great support for me.
I've never heard of these RATS FROM NIM cartoon characters, but I hope that besides being smart, they're also nice.
I mean now that you have me associated with rats, at least let'em be nice.
In any case it sounds better to be a RAT FROM NIM as opposed to being a RATTY NIM.
Take care Robyn,
love,
Nim:)
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 06:32:58 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Hey NIM
Message:
'The secret of Nimh' has been out on video(at least here in the UK) you should be able to get it at ant video shop....try the kids videos.

all the best Jethro
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 22:34:52 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Jethro/Nimmy
Subject: Hey NIM
Message:
That is a great movie (as kids movies go--I sure watcha lot of them!!)
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 03:00:58 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Helen, Jethro, Robyn
Subject: Hey NIM
Message:
That's it! I'll go get the video and get back to you on it.
If I don't see this movie now, I'll really feel like a rat!:):):)
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 06:30:33 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Secret of Nimh
Message:
Hi Robyn

'The Rats from Nim, did you ever see that cartoon, very smart rats! :)'

I remember that film (I think it was called the secret of Nimh'. I liked the way the rats always covered their tracks and never left any trace of themselves when they moved on.....and this was so that they could keep their principles :>)

lehaim
Jethro
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 13:24:46 (EST)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Secret of Nimh
Message:
I liked the way the rats always covered their tracks and never left any trace of themselves when they moved on....and this was so that they could keep their principles :>)
Thanks Jethro, now these are my kind of rats!
I should have known Robyn would never give me a bum rat... er, I mean...bum rap, that is.
Shalom
Nim:)
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 23:15:19 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Nim
Subject: Nim! :(`
Message:
Dear Nim,
God, I've been drinking home made blueberry wine and I HAVE got to get to sleep. VERY good wine though. :) I never drink but home made, and blueberry, how could I resist! Anyway I can't deal with going back and reading what I said but I hope you are playing with me and I really didn't say they were bad rats. I don't think you are a bad rat! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 00:06:21 (EST)
From: NIM
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Robyn:(`
Message:
I don't think you are a bad rat! :)
I NEVER for a moment even thought you even thought that.
OF COURSE ,I was playing:):):)
And thank u for letting me.
BTW, wish I could be there, and sharing a little of that blueberry wine with you.
It just SOUNDS delicious
Love,
Nim:)
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 23:07:35 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Jethro
Subject: Secret of Nimh
Message:
Dear Jethro,
Hi! :) Yes, the Secret of Nimh. I should also make a correction from an earlier post, it wasn't Robin Red Breast by the Jackson Five, I am be quite febel minded. It was Rockin Robin that the Jacksons sang and I was baitted with that, not bullied, none of it hurtful but Robin Red Breast was another phrase I heard a lot of, I guess I don't know where that came from.
Have you noticed I kind of skim along top of things and don't get to snagged up along the way. I don't know that it is good it just is.
What I heard about Secret of Nimh is that it was done by a group of Diseny Artists who weren't allowed to do the film because of Diseny's not wanting to ruffle any Neclear corporate feathers so the artists maybe quite and did it on their own.
They were good and smart Nim! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 23:10:59 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs
To: Jethro
Subject: lehaim
Message:
Dear Jethro,
I just posted to you and forgot to mention this. It was placed above your name as in a salutation like Love,
Is, lehaim, a Yiddish word or is it an Irish man's name? I am just a bit confused. :)
Love,(lehaim?)
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 04:18:00 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Robyn - lehaim
Message:
lehaim is the Hebrew word for 'to life'. :)>
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 05:10:02 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Jethro
Subject: Robyn - lehaim
Message:
Deara Jethro,
As I read the subject title this moring I realized...Lee Hime, more phonic spelling. :)
There was a Lehiam(sp) posting here recently and I know the name from a town near Boston with the highest concentration of Irish immigrants in the country. My daughter lived there for a year.
Can I blame it on the wine? Thanks. :)
Also I already told you Yiddish isn't the same for me if I can't hear it. Sorry about that.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 20:36:39 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Robyn - lehaim
Message:
Robyn, I forgot to tell you how I love the character Mike Myers used to do--'talk amongst yourselves', 'I'm verclempt' 'Barbra Streisand is like butter'

Speaking of alcohol (blueberry wine), me husband and I just celebrated his 4th anniversary of sobriety on Sunday. This gives you an idea of his sick humor, he said 'drinks for everyone!' at the restaurant--ho ho
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 17:47:22 (EST)
From: John
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
So true Rick...
Yeah, I learned after I left the group that public speaking gives me a high. When I was a premie, I was such an Idiot, I thought it was His Grace, you know, that's why it felt so good. Nooooooo way! I get the same feeling whenever I speak in front of people. It's energy, who knows if it comes from nervousness or what, but I personally really enjoy it. I can get just as high standing up and speaking about the dullest things as I did speaking in satsang.
And darshan, I mean does ANYBODY miss darshan? Seriously now. I mean, my God, what a humiliating experience! Bowing down to someone who has never even spoken two words to me personally in his life.
And service!! I get much higher working in the PTA than I ever did doing 'service' for the guru. Working with people doing good for others is fun! Really!
Seriously premies, or participants, try really getting into an organization like the PTA or Habitat for Humanity or your local food kitchen that feeds the hungry, and then try to tell me that you don't get higher doing that than you do guarding some door at an event. The only thing you won't have is your common sense telling you what an idiot you are to be doing such an idiotic thing as guarding a door that no one will ever go through. And you don't have 'The Master - disciple' relationship bullshit to worry about! And you are actually doing something that actually benefits others!
And then of course that leaves meditation, which of course is the same now as ever. Usually quite dull, but still it's what it is which is not that much really. I mean I'd rather do practically anything than meditate. It's very useful if I am too tired to do anything else.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:56:07 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: John
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Hi John
I was walking through the bookstore and I saw a book
on meditation called 'the emptyness of emptyness'
The dalia lama said last year 'meditate on the emptyness'.
I guess he knows what looking at your eyelids offers.
zip zero nada.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 22:38:44 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: John
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
Now wait there just a minute, John, surely guarding the cheese at the residence was a very significant blissful experience for Sir David,!!

You know I agree with every word of yer post--great post
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:41:20 (EST)
From: nigel
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Everybody read! (nt)
Message:
No not this. It's a no text post - that's why you didn't need to click on it. Read Rick's post and inwardly digest. You might just benefit.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:42:21 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
I might qualify for the 'what can be dumber than that?'
prize.
I heard stories about him and still hung on from 73 to 98.
But I have some tough competition from CD and Mili.
They have been around the forum since about the begining
and they still make excuses after reading hundreds of
potentially life saving posts here.

CD posts quotes from albert einstien hoping to lean on
his ideas to support continued devotee status.

I didnt see the movie dumb and dumber but your right,
as a long term premie, I qualify for one of those two titles.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 22:30:08 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Dumb Nostalgia
Message:
The embarrasing stories are too numerous to mention. I agree with you. What's most embarrasing was how infantile it all was...chasing after an experience like a wino rifling through a dumpster.

It was NOT glamorous. It was a big, self-indulgent waste of time & energy
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 08:42:54 (EST)
From: chr
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: madness in M's world
Message:
Some of the recent posts, with their manic flavour, have reminded me of an aspect of premiedom that I'd almost forgotten. As well as the devotional, emotional ardour shown by many premies, there was also a flip side of the coin-or more accurately, a dark almost crazy underside. There was also a kind of amorality, born out in the behaviour often displayed at festivals. The difficulty that hotels had with premies, the shoplifting and prostitution rackets at Kissimee are just some examples. I suspect this was at least partly created by M's perceived attitude to society at large-that the world was a creation of mind and the only real values were those of devotion and surrender to M. This created disorientation and for many a fairly constant sense of feeling disturbed. We would turn to meditation or satsang to take away the disturbance and of course a cycle of addiction is created.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:03:48 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: madness in M's world
Message:
Amen, chr!! I agree 100%.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:47:58 (EST)
From: Malc
Email: Tinkling@aol.com
To: chr
Subject: madness in M's world
Message:
You surely don't mean Kissimee of... what, 15 years ago? more? Has anyone moved on in this world of ex-premies? I mean, ancient transcribed interview, fields in Florida 2 decades ago...!

I was there in Kissimee, and though I don't keep contact or 'practise' now, I remember that Maharaji was very angry when he spoke about these things. I also remember being surrounded by people with their own agendas making their own interpretation of Maharaji's teachings. Some certainly thought society and shopkeepers owed them a living. Some believed in 'free love'. Maharaji gave to me several astounding experiences: An experience of no-thought within which all the people I saw were shining beings whose personalities were just shadows over their bright light of life; An experience of the dance of creation splitting the dream of reality open for moments. I might not right now in my head be sure about how these things relate to Maharaji but associating him with the behaviour of an assorted bunch of people ranging from hippies thru middle class families to right wing libertarians is profoundly unjustifiable.

I feel that imposing your own ideas on the meditative experience, and personal memories of an addictive personality, onto someone who always treated enquirers as responsible adults even where they might not have been. We'll all die sometime. 'The curtain will be ripped assunder' for you whatever you're current thinking about your past. It's time to move on! Whether with or without Maharaji!
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:18:13 (EST)
From: chr
Email: None
To: Malc
Subject: madness in M's world
Message:
Dear Malcolm,
I have moved on- in fact a great deal. That's one of the reasons why I can stand back and see it all from a very different perspective than I did a few years back. My life does not revolve around this forum. However , I do have a need still to discuss things that I had no opportunity to really open up about at the time. Because the people here have been through it too, there is a recognition and understanding. Many of us here gave up huge slabs of our life to M, in ashrams , service and directly around him and working through that is helpful to us. I had some wonderful experiences with M, but I also had some very damaging long term effects. My life is calmer now, my spirituality wider and deeper and I can do without being patronised by somebody who obviously hasn't read the history of my posts, let alone knows me personally. Re Kissimee,as far as I remember M didnt speak about the Shoplifting , prostitution etc. I was involved in security around M at this and many other programs. At KIssimee the only action he took was when something of his was taken and he asked that the police be called. BTW he doesn't accept people as they are-he's very judgemental and those who've been around him will confirm this. He's even acknowledged it himself during his own crisis in the mid 80s. And yes Kissimee was a long time ago. It was an example. There isnt the opportunity for the same sort of situations to occur thes days-premies dont stay on site at festivals anymore. Even at Amaroo most premies stay offsite, unless they can afford the exorbitant costs of staying in a tent there. Its also so far from any shops that nothing much can happen. However there is still a sense of amorality that occurs because of putting M first-just ask the children and ex-wives who have been ignored in very recent times by fathers in search of the holy grail of personal service around M. This is not a generalisation ,it is based on personal knowledge of several situations very close to M. Most of the premies who are around today are 70s vintage. There have been very few new faces at recent programs I have been to-just an aging population of semi-retired gopis. Most of them still believe M is the true master, if not God and he has done little to change this view. OK so I'm generalising ,but this is what I've seen. I dont regard myself as any more of an addictve personality than the next person. I certainly have never had any addictive problems with drugs ,alcohol etc. Ive been married now for i5 years and the main problems in this came from my involvement with M and my belief that my commitment to him was the most important thing in life.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 02:02:34 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Malc
Subject: madness in M's world
Message:
Well Malc,
We are here for those that need to break free and for our
own benefit, and also, this crowd has a lot of interesting
and funny things to say. Being a reader here IS moving on.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 10:18:14 (EST)
From: Orlando
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: jumping to conclusions...
Message:
chr,
you are jumping to conclusion pretty fast...
you don't know if the wacko who has been posting lately is involved with M. and/or Knowledge.
using the same arguments i read before, it could very well be an 'ex' who wants to make premies look bad (with great success, i might had)
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:23:48 (EST)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Orlando
Subject: security precautions
Message:
Yes, Orlando, or they could be premies who would like to harm us if they could get away with it.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:12:28 (EST)
From: Us
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Insecurity cautions
Message:
Poor Runamok,
What a hypocrite.
Having spent thousands of words vilifying Maharaji, Knowledge and premies, Runamok feels threatened by a few criticisms.
Perhaps you should chant 'Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me' for an hour a day.
But hold on, if you couldn't get up the energy to enjoy what is going on inside you, how will you spend an hour a day chanting useless gibberish.
But wait, that's what you do on this site.
God works in mysterious ways.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 16:17:25 (EST)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Us
Subject: You Come Across as Violent
Message:
No offense Us, but you do come across as possibly psychotic. Are you saying that you've never gotten physical in defense of M or that you would always find such a possibility inappropriate?
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 15:32:31 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Orlando
Subject: jumping to conclusions...
Message:
Hi Orlando -
I don't know if this person is a premie, an ex-premie, or someone who has just stumbled in off the internet. What I do know is that they've posted on both sides of the issue, and without perhaps meaning to, they've made both their ex-premie and premie personas look bad. BTW, I am glad you agree with me that the person is making premies look bad. I think so too. As I said earlier, I appreciate and respect honest attempts at communication by premies such as yourself.

Take care,
Katie
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 17:55:34 (EST)
From: chr
Email: None
To: Katie and others
Subject: jumping to conclusions...
Message:
Actually, I wasn't jumping to any conclusions. The posts could have been made by a premie, an ex or just somebody who has stumbled upon this site and wants to cause a disturbance. Whoever it is , it reminded me of an aspect of the world of premies back then. The perception that premies had that the values of the world didn't matter did, I believe, allow for types of behaviour that were amoral and possibly would not have occurred to the same extent without that perception.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 10:26:47 (EST)
From: Orlando
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: jumping to conclusions...
Message:
Thanks Katie
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 11:45:08 (EST)
From: Roger Drek
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: *** Best of the Forum ***
Message:
Thank you, chr!

You've provided clarity (using a premie term) to this rather pitiful display of premies showing their fanatical devotion to their infallable leader, figurehead, Lord, or whatever.

click here for Best of the Forum

click here for Roger's House of Drek
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:02:13 (EST)
From: honest abe
Email: None
To: x premies
Subject: honest
Message:
we have been using site as sampling. we in no way pretend to have been doing nothing but burstin porkchops ala burning.. ok..thanx. we have no intention
to demean your chat site,
its just that

speak about how Knowledge sucks,
not him/her. please.
and then no mo ho, ok?
keep it w/ knowledge, not moses, paul, john, ben, job, harry, lucifer, gee wiz.who cares how many kids moses had.
what a tool. click on m's
site and click on
lite,music ala
fresco,panorama art,swirls, rivers of what? only the me, my heart is worthy of hearing your heart. whew.... this is a great
way to untrash what really needs
to be untrashed, you/me/whatever.
no more from me, but lets not trash babe ruth
cause he
ate hot dogs,drank beer, cigars, whatever,
HE HIT 60 HOLY MOTHER RUSSIA HOME RUNS,...DAMN IT.
without steeroids,
its what the babe gave, not
his/her missed that limb, oops..
i cant bust your chops but u guys and your chat line
needed a listen in respect
at the table of life, and forgive me
for getting on your lewd asses, butt
we all will just sit on that.
anyway, no hard feelings,
have a nice chat
keep it to what the man gives,
has given, will give,
and have a nice time visiting our up and coming website ala rhythmn,
thirsty,
waterfalls,
dripped in holy waters
of love for the living socrates, us..
respect is what i need, and i need a lot more than we think. vote 4 Bill Breadly signing out. mercy me,
seriously,
can we talk? no.
so just cause i cant sell u a tuna melt, doesn't mean that we are dumb,
slow we admit,
but steady won the race along time ago
when jesus came in a loly nite and mary
held him
ever see the site, mary holding a child,nice,
little kids might be reading this site,
keep it to the facts, what he gives
and the people who love the fact that he was the Babe,
ala stormy.
peace and infinite requests to my light cause i aint got nothing but resquests, stand by me for starters.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 06:26:24 (EST)
From: dishonest babe
Email: None
To: honest abe
Subject: honest
Message:
IN THE ARMS OF AN ANGEL, FAR AWAY FORM HERE, FROM THIS DARK CoLD HOTEL ROOM , WRECKAGE , SiLENT,
OK FINE ME STOOPID ME NO TYPE 2 WELL,134 IQ THO..
KEEP ON BUILDIN MAKE UP DONT MAKE NO DIFFERENCE,
DIFFERENCE, DIFFERENCE,
IN THE ARMS OF AN ANGEL,
,u i say, u, socrates, u, U TRY TO TYPE
THE WORDS AS SHES SINGING,
AINT NO GOOD IN FAST TYPE,
ONLY KNOW GOD, LIGHT,
SOUND,
SILENCE, LOVE, CARE,
KIND,

GENTLE, SOFT, COMFORT,
EVERY BREATH U TAKE, EVERY MOVE U MAKE, IS WHAT? A GIFT?
FROM WHAT?
U HART WANTS 2 NO. THIS /.THING' KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT U WILL EVER HAVE AND EXACTLY WHEN U WILL GIVe UP THE GHOST,
TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIs, DIE LIKE A HUMAN. MADE BY GOD, ADORING ITS
KNISHNA,HOLI,
PRANAM, SURRENDER, MERCY, LOVE, THIS
'ENEREY'EQYALS WHAT?
MASS TIMES SPEED OF LITE SQAURED?
GRAVITY WHAT 32' PER SEC. PIE EQUALS 3.1428 WHAT
physics is a bunch of assumptions. do mescaline w/me baby. think. every book u ever read says one word, every book...says what
god...check it out...so y read...see it inside.. quit busting chops
just
cause
your
not the babe
singing the songs of israel to her deal, let her be.
its none of your business what
jesus did w/lolita, jazzmon,
jazzman,
he probably played better
saks than billy bob. anyway, have a nice trash party and remenber the alamo.
pay to see my website,
fine. whats wrong w/dat.
hard disk,
dvd, knew bog was 1 consciousness,
now via da intranast, the entire
holy mother russian world,
can see what info transport is all about,
do u know that they are 282 sites under diamond necklesses,
and 1 and 1 half million sites under sluts, so lets get real.
go take a long walk off a short pier while u remember dady crocket
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 13:12:39 (EST)
From: Roger Drek
Email: None
To: honest abe
Subject: *** Best of the Forum ***
Message:
honest abe,

we dissing and missing
you rap and get no clap
my posse old and slow
missing your show

Ah, hell. I ain't got enuff hip-hop rap in me, but I think that you do and I'm gonna give you some respect and put your post in the House.

click here for House of Drek Hip Hop/Rap by Honest Abe
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 04:19:10 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: EV-DLM Papers & no Banners
Message:
I'm glad to tell you that the

Elan Vital - DLM Papers

has moved to a new URL, and that you won't have nasty banners bothering you !
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:49:25 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: EV-DLM Papers & no Banners
Message:
JM,

That's 5 cookies your new site sent me. Any idea what they are doing to my computer?

John.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 08:57:47 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Cookies on my site
Message:
This is French technology.
If you want to check what they're doing, look into the source of any of my pages.
This is a gadget that my server loaded automatically in my pages.
I haven't been into it yet, it doesn't look harmmful, maybe someone will be able to tell me.
I think of 2 possibilities:
- doesn't reload the pages you've already loaded when you browse through the site: faster browsing
- doesn't increase the counter everytime you go to a page you've already visited (it definitely does this).
I'll check with the server if there is a way to avoid those cookies.
Most of the professional websites use that kind of system BTW, don't be too paranoid.
What I don't like is the BM's technology where he definitely wants to identify you and is threatening you (very revealing of his methods).

Maybe I should say something about my counters:
I'm using them to see which pages are most visited, because I still have piles of documents in store, and I'll add more stuff to the chapters that are most visited.

I've already received some suggestions. Maybe you have some?
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:49:47 (EST)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Cookies on my site
Message:
I've changed the site links to point to your new URL.

As for the cookies being sent, I believe that they're coming through the pop-up advertisement window. They want to track which ads you've seen already so that they can show you a different one each time you visit.

I think that if you register (pay for the webspace) they'll drop the pop-up and the cookies will stop.

Note to others: JM isn't sending any cookies himself from his pages.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 14:01:25 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Cookies on my site
Message:
I've paid for the webspace, as it's included with my internet access.
I've read all their documentation, no mention of their cookies system. They have quite a sophisticated statistics sytem, and you'll notice that the counters don't increase when you load a page several times in the same session.
I'll check anyway.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 14:11:46 (EST)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: It's French to me
Message:
JM,

Maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet, but I could have sworn that the URL you posted sent me to the French version of your site.

Man, it's Greek to me.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 01:27:24 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: More about the cookie
Message:
Everything about the cookie you get on my site.

It's task is to know that you've already come to my site, and then the server won't send you more than one pop-up (when you log on) banner.
If you don't accept it, it will send you one cookie for every page you'll load (and one pop-up), and obviously helps managing the counters.
It doesn't store any personal info.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:41:12 (EST)
From: Benny
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: whatever
Message:
O K Fine whatever. This guy is just bustin your balons. He is doing a marketing reasearce sample and viewing how many ex premies,ex lovers are enthralled, engrossed, captured by his nonsense words. He is testing the gullibleness of u guys/gals. He has you guys calling him stooopud, angered, thinking it is the boss. Let us cut to the chase. Did the boss show u god or not?
If not leave, don't practice. Fine, whatever. What pisses this person off is that the bosses family is trashed on this site and that is unacceptable, leave his family,friends,etc. out of it.
If you don't want what the boss offers, fine,whatever,leave, but give his , i repeat, his, family a break.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:50:33 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Benny
Subject: whatever
Message:
He is not my boss. Do other public figures who have pissed people off, for moral or questionable business practices, etc. get to be left alone. Haven't you even HEARD of the impeachment proceedings? Did they leave Clinton's family alone ever int the past 8 years?
Hollywood celebrities? (again, with far less acquired wealth)
Rock stars?

If you ever announce that you are greater than god and come to bring peace on earth in this lifetime, and extract millions from those who believe you, best be prepared for some attention and scrutiny.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 00:18:05 (EST)
From: Benny
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: whatever
Message:
when bill clinton said he smoked but didn't inhale. that was enuf 4 moi, when he walked across the bridge after one week in office, with a bunch of homo's who wanted to be in the military, the big boys in the usa had enuf and wanted him out, enuf said about billy. he is no bill bradley. but if you practiced K religiously and didn't see the holy, well then u got a beef, or prune in your case. 'the boss' benny didn't say your boss, just the boss, who reminds us that life is a gift, from what, the holy. and remember jesus died for my sins.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 16:35:33 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Benny
Subject: whatever
Message:
I am so sick of your posts. From now on when I see a dumb assed no sense idiotic lowercase post, I am not responding.
Go eat snot. I wasn't defending Clinton asshole. I was making a point that it;s not so bad when someone YOU don't like is attacked is it?
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:56:11 (EST)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Benny
Subject: whatever
Message:
He did not show us God. He was the leader of an organisation which showed us meditation techniques. Seeing God, if applicable, is up to the practitioner.

Since he also promoted himself as the messiah who would establish peace on earth, the cans of worms which you wish we would not open are the cans he opened himself. By encouraging us to dote on him as divine royalty (i.e. more interesting than Princess Diana and John Lennon combined), our interests in his personal life are the result of him encouraging us to cultivate the same, in keeping with the process of devotion which he specifically touted. We can dig up the quotes asserting 'devotion is greater than liberation' with the Ramayama-based hoopla as easily as we did the quotes where he claimed divinity or swore to establish peace on earth.

His family and those close to him, who reap the financial and other worldly rewards of his bogus and fraudulent claims of godhood and messianic authority, deserve their share of ill will for being too cowardly to renounce him. One topic I have never taken on on this forum is how much I do hold his family and close disciples responsible. They could destroy his so-called mission by opposing him, but why should they? They have too much to lose themselves.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:44:47 (EST)
From: benny
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: whatever
Message:
2 things,
seeing god is up to what? the practisioner? what?
seeing god is up to god, and we all
see it after the final air cometh in,
and upon seeing 'it' while alive,
know that all, everything, you name it,
exists only because 'it' lets us exist.
second.... you call them cowards, cowards you write? this singer loves her dad, can't you let a daughter love her father, whats wrong with dat,mormon? loves her dad, repetez sil vous plait, loves her dad, repeating loves her dad....
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:38:30 (EST)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Benny
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
a) Maharaji is not my boss anymore.

b) His family is benefitting from from the sweat of people who believe he is the lord. New recruits who don't get this message don't stay.

c) Although, I personally don't know his family, and thus, have nothing to say, others do.

d) I don't see any of his family stating that it is a farce and rejecting the money and lifestyle. The boys don't even work at visions editing those video tapes that get recycled all the time for more money (a one-hour indoctrination is sold in it's entirety, and then the juicy bits are sold again as excerpt compilations.

e) If his hype were really true, don't you think he and his family would be conducting themselves differently (if the gossip is true)? After all, he told us to live the life of poverty, chastity and obedience to him. Meanwhile, according to rumour, he smokes, is an alcoholic, uses drugs, and cheats on his wife.

f) I know I'd stop complaining if I could just get my last 24 years back and all the dough I wasted on the Lard.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 02:20:41 (EST)
From: you know
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
dear gail, can i call you gail, thanks,
i smoke, i drink, i take medicine, and i need a harem,
for the girls need someone to talk to, to complain to, they need the company...talk about nails, hair color, perms, full sets, half sets, you know, shave the legs, girl stuff,
so y not get them together and they can party together.
el natural no?
but what did this guy do to you to make you so pissed?
don't like K, fine. don't do it. but if red wine is the blood of our savior, and he died 4 u, what are you gonna do, tell jesus not to drink wine, hey wait a minute jesus, do not smoke that cuban cigar, no expresso/cognac, no sinning lord. whose the lard? think the boss shaves his legs? puts on the ole eye makeup, ala mask? whats the problem sweetheart, surrender to the lord, the one in your mirror. peace shalom feliz navedad
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 02:57:26 (EST)
From: chr
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
Hi Gail,
I wasn't going to buy into this, especially as Benny aka various other names , does seem to have some sort of cerebral problem. However I must admit that I find attacks on premies( eg David Smith etc) including the family, a little unfair. I dont think it helps the cause of pointing out M's deception. Anyone of us could have been attacked in the same way at variuos times in our premie lives. We all know that breaking away from M is complex. There is an assumption that M's family know that M is a fraud, but aren't speaking up because of perks etc. From what I've seen they are as much victims as everyone else. Even if Marolyn does know that M is not what he says, she has a complex situation to deal with in relation to her children. What I saw of M showed him up as a good and caring father. Apparently even Hitlers SS used to go home to children that they loved. That's an extreme example , but I'm just trying to point out that a person can have all sorts of scams going on in their lives and still love their children. I don't want to interfere or make assumptions about M as husband and father, I do want to point things out about his role as teacher and master.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 03:51:55 (EST)
From: Denny
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
what deception? what guile? where? when? why?
'Point out things about his role as teacher and master'
Point them out. What things? what? Exactly what are u x's talking about? What? You wouldn't want to live in a mansion, a palace? oh yeah that's right, you just inherited 20 million and gave it all away and are now living in a cincinatti dumpster. i forgot, you are the holy one. allright, nice going chr
the pope is probably the richest of all, why not trash him? never heard the pope's kid sing like a angel. and why isn't there a female pope anyway? What are you gals bitching about? exactly what did he do? christ said come with a quileless heart. yep me stupid, looked it up.
the boss said the same thing.
where has he deceived you girls?
all he says is have a good time, trust in what can be trusted, feel lucky? chr?gail,selene,red red robbin
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:34:54 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Denny
Subject: HAVE A GOOD TIME!
Message:
all he says is have a good time, trust in what can be trusted, feel lucky? chr?gail,selene,red red robbin

Don't you read what you're writing yourself?

Have a good time! Are you having a good time here? Are you enjoying your life here? Why don't you go & practice knowledge or watch a video?

Do you really THINK you're going to get to convince any ex here that they shouldn't trash your boss? Don't you feel you're losing your life & precious time here? I'm sure you're pretty pissed off with us and this site. So why don't you forget about it, like so many things in this world that keep pissing you off....

After all maybe you'll also be tired of this attitude one day and question your 'master' ...
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:14:03 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
what about all GM's premies' children? Like the ones who were molested by Jagdeo?

But I do I know what you are saying when you say it is complex. Trapped in GM's little world, one is unaware of one's amorality. It is truly scary & insidious.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 18:07:19 (EST)
From: chr
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
HI Helen, I do agree with you about Jagdeo. I guess I was referring to premies who haven't necessarily done anything insidious, but just annoyed people with their pedantic, patronising or holier than thou behaviour. And also to M's family who I would like to see left out of it, because of the children and because much of what has been said about the family is dubious hearsay.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 21:48:12 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
Even if Marolyn does know that M is not what he says, she has a complex situation to deal with in relation to her children

They are not children!!! Geez I wish people would give that one up. I know when I was their age, even the youngest Aman? Anyway, I wanted to be considered able to make decisions at their age.
And I expected my boys to do so, with support, and they did.

I am so sick of this poor Marolyn and what will she do about the children. They are all able, legally, to do whatever they need and god knows they could afford the lawyers.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 22:06:55 (EST)
From: chr
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
I guess you are right, although I think the youngest is 17 or 18. However they had nothing to do with our experience ,good or bad, so why bring them into it? Also, it's not a matter of 'poor Marolyn', its a matter of accuracy and having been one of the led once ,I have problems with attacking the the followers rather than the leader. If all the stuff about the affairs is true, then it should be out there for premies to see. If it is hearsay, rumours, gossip and exaggerated stories, then it just creates a perception of bitter exes who are willing to say anything, whether they know it to be true or not. This turns away the very people who could benefit from finding out more about M and his game.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 02:17:29 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: chr
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
I agree with Selene that m's 'children' are now adults and can therefore take some responsibility for their own actions. I recently saw the daughters in Pasadena, and I can guarantee that they are willing participants in Maharaji's Family Circus. Also without a doubt they are fully aware of the unscrupulous way their father 'earns' a living. So, they are sellouts for easy money, but looking at their role models, can you blame them?
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Date: Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 14:33:02 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: whatever--NOT
Message:
They are indeed adults. Even by middle class white American standards, the girls are. And the oldest boy as well.
And also their mother!!

Also chr, maybe their involvement didn't effect you, but for those of us on the fringe, it did effect us. Especially those of us with children. On the one hand this ideal, on the other, letting our own childrens needs slide in order to make our donations, go to those awful programs and stick our kids in day care or whatever they called it. I always felt bad when I picked them up. There they were amongst maybe hundreds of kids. looking dazed.

I doubt M's children ever went through that.

And now my adult grown people are responsible, totally for their lives at age 25 and 26, and they have been for 7 years. Sure they need help and support but they are accountable for their actions.

Now I have to hear how M's 24 plus or minus year olds don't have any complicity in this. I say , no way. Not from my perspective.

As for Mayolyn, I never thought she was all that bright. Mayb eshe is too far gone, and that is a shame. But she had a part in all of it too.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 21:11:50 (EST)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Maharji's a real pro
Message:
Is it my imagination or are we seeing some premie meltdown on this site. I've been through this guys so I'm going to help you out with this one. 'Don't fight your minds.'

Maharji is a professional. He got ya'. Let me rephrase that. He's still got ya. The mind melt down that is being braodcast over this site is what happens when your mind says let me outta here and your programmed mind says you have no option but to stay. The symptoms start slowly and may disappear for weeks at a time. But once you start expressing complete incoherent nonsense the problem is serious and you have to make a choice.

How do you make a choice when you are clearly programmed? Ya see Maharji's a pro. He's not going to let you go. You have got to be a maverick to escape the con. You gotta step back observe the whole picture and pay attention to the details, devil always lives there. Now here's key. When you in there watching a video and getting blissed out that's the time you gotta continue to pay attention.

Cause Maharji's a real pro and he ain't gonna let you go.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:10:14 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: Maharji's a real pro
Message:
Zac that is scary, sounds and reads like Stephen King, (which
I don't mean as an insult, I always liked him even thought it's not intellectually cool to like him)
But the way you wrote that reminded me of 'The Stand'

BTW
I hope I wasnt' TOO out of line in stealilng that info about the taped down penis. I promise Red is going to heal. It ain't over til the fat guy sings.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 23:41:29 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: The Stand
Message:
PS
I wanted to qualify , I liked King's GOOD stuff. When he sucks he really sucks.

Also, if anyone has read that book, it's feeling like that to me lately, like the forces are lining up.

I just have the creeps, but anyway it will be a wonderful day when the only reason for this site is to stay in touch with friends and play.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 00:35:08 (EST)
From: benny
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: The Stand
Message:
now you are getting it, love , peace, whats all of this soft core porn doing on a site supposed to be about you guys not seeing the lite of god. what do you mean 'he really sucks'? what are you refering to, make it simple 4 moi, me stoopud according to mormon, really sucks.... this boss i,moi,speak of, if a freaking wiz. exactly what did he do to u gals anyway? let us keep it on a decent level and explain to me, what did he do to u that was so bad, marry someone else? tuff break, look for the K from your hart,not your republican/democrat 'he sucks', what. what, did he do, cook your eggs to long, burn yourn toast, did not come back from the dead? what? what sucks? clue me in. me stoopud, me no no.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 02:49:08 (EST)
From: ham
Email: None
To: benny
Subject: The Stand
Message:
Read the bloody background material and the archives Benny and then start up dialogues. Visitors here seem unbelievably lazy at times.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 12:14:51 (EST)
From: ex-mug
Email: None
To: benny
Subject: The Stand
Message:
Yeah Benny,

The way you write makes you seem even more stupid than you think you are....trying to be hip or something?
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:33:01 (EST)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Maharji's a real pro
Message:
Never been compared to Stephen King before! Thanks Selene. Maybe the forum will start me on a new more profitable career. Instead of The Stand, I can write The Cult. Heck Nicholas what's his name is getting away with it. BTW all material of mine anyway can be used in any way on the Red Nighty Chronicles.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:28:35 (EST)
From: Beppy
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: Maharji's a real pro
Message:
'Now here's key. When you in there watching a video and getting blissed out that's the time you gotta continue to pay attention.'
- Zac on premie meltdown.

Exactly. Especially when you start feeling really satisfied. That's a sure sign that something's horribly amiss. Watch out for those sensations of pleasure, that means you've really had it. Let's raise doubt to an art form. That'll be a real step forward.

Beppy
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 09:42:13 (EST)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Beppy
Subject: Beppy-Maharji's a real pro
Message:
Okay Beppy- Your coming out of it. That's the first post I've seen where you've at least made a rational conversational arguement. This is good. We can work with this. You are welcome on this site.
But not if you are going to be a totally irrational idiot! Know what I mean.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:11:51 (EST)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Webmaster
Subject: Slimy creatures
Message:
I have had a hard time reading all the posts, there's so much written these days. There are these new slimy creatures, Bog, Jboy, Nicki the quicki, Us, Skunkfart, the Moron...

I don't know about forum policy, but I don't mind reading serious arguments between ex-premies and premies like Orlando, Red Heart, and others, who at least seriously try to communicate. They may be of a different opinion, but they appear fairly serious to me. I often enjoy their debates with others.

But these new slimy creatures seem to have as their objective to drool around as much as possible, and disturb communication. I personally wouldn't mind having them closed out. What is the policy, I guess this is not the first time things like this is going on?
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:53:01 (EST)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Slimy creatures
Message:
Seems like Gooma's new internet presence may be accompanied by an easing of his agya to 'STAY OFF THE INTERNET' in general. Then, if you notice the poor spelling these slimeballs exhibit, and which all the typos attempt to mask, you have the classic goon squad style cult action. I wonder if they would have the balls to start their own forum and talk about us all the time. No, it's more fun to bash ours.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:54:46 (EST)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Slimy creatures
Message:
Seems like it!
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:29:46 (EST)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: a really far out idea
Message:
Responding to Runamok about them having their own website, maybe they do and it is www.maharaji.org. How about the wild fantasy that this is Maharaji himself surfing the net and unable to type very well because of a little too much John Barleycorn.

The Lord is Here!
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 11:14:39 (EST)
From: moron
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Slimy creatures
Message:
ok, happy. i sorry. i go now. by by.

ha ha ha!
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 12:06:30 (EST)
From: Garth
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Slimy creatures
Message:
I couldn't agree with you more, Happy. It was fun baiting the goons for a bit, but serious discussion is impossible with their ignorant intrusions. I'm not that experienced in doing this kind of posting myself, but it does seem almost like an orchestrated effort to disrupt this forum. Or am I just getting paranoid? I've found some wonderfully kindhearted people here, like Helen, for example (not just because she complimented my posting!) and yourself,but creatures like the aforementioned goon squad (are there really such things in the Internet) could ruin it. Can they be denied entry?
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:09:50 (EST)
From: Jerry Springer
Email: None
To: Garth
Subject: so you and Helen are an item?
Message:
Wanta come on my show and tell the world?
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:31:20 (EST)
From: Garth
Email: None
To: Jerry Springer
Subject: so you and Helen are an item?
Message:
Now Jerry, Helen sounds like a very nice lady to me and since chivalry is not dead, I shall require you to show some respect (or we shall have to step outside-how does that work on the Web?)
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 17:20:33 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Garth
Subject: so you and Helen are an item?
Message:
Dear Garth,
I heard about this nonsense from an email from a friend I have from the forum! I saw the post was from Jerry Springer but when I saw you wrote Jerry in your post I thought, that can't be! I don't know Jerry that well, the Jerry that posts here, but I am quite sure he is a good man. Then it hit me! Duh! Jerry of Jerry Springer. Lordy, the world gets so much more interesting/confusing when you have a cold and fever! :)
Also welcome to the forum.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:39:55 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: garth
Subject: so you and Helen are an item?
Message:
Gee, this is immature, eh, that someone thinks you and I are an item? Guess they never knew about the concept of friendship and camaraderie between men and women.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 15:21:49 (EST)
From: Garth
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Friendship
Message:
I think they were kidding, so I treated it lightly; I don't think that's what this forum is all about and if I wanted romance there are plenty of other sites offering various levels of it. I'm beginning to realize that the Web offers the potential of a meeting of the minds without the baggage of man/woman relationship that often seems to get in the way of genuine friendship. The impersonality of electronic communication, while, by its nature, leaves out most of the five senses that can enhance a relationship, also seems to expedite the transmission of ideas with more purity. The sender, in effect, because the medium is restricted, must refine what they are saying and make it brief to capture its essence. In some postings here, I feel as if I've had a glimpse deeper into the depths of a person than if I've spoken to them face-to-face. If I didn't feel that I wouldn't contribute and I wouldn't keep coming back.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 16:53:18 (EST)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Garth
Subject: Friendship
Message:
Well, I agree, but I also would have no problem dating some of the wonderful guys on the forum, if I were single. I know of one couple who met here and I can see how friendships here could lead to something else, I think that's great. It just made me uncomfortable that someone would make such an immature remark, especially since I am married, and very vocally so, I might add!! Friendships of the non-romantic variety have sprung up here as well, people from the forum have met in person on many occasions

I really know what you are saying about the level of honesty here & how the medium contributes to that. It really has been a wonderful experience for me to be part of this forum 'community'. Again, I am glad you found it Garth and look forward to your postings inthe future

Helen
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 08:56:38 (EST)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Garth
Subject: Ignore them, they'll go awaynt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:20:16 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: my advice on slime
Message:
Hi Happy, and everyone -
Here's my advice on dealing with slimy creatures: DON'T answer their posts. They're not worth responding to, anyway, and this will make things a lot easier to deal with. Also, as you've probably guessed, a lot of these separate characters are not different people, so it's impossible to communicate with them individually.

I respect premies like Orlando, SHP, Red Heart, Mel, Denise, CD, OP, Bruce, and others who make honest posts under one screen name. I don't respect people who use a variety of different names and post nonsense posts. If these people ARE premies, and I suspect they are, maybe they should think about how they appear to everyone who reads this forum (there are a lot of lurkers here), and how they are corrupting the attempts at communication that other premies are trying to make here.
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 13:51:22 (EST)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: my advice on slime/happy
Message:
Couldn't agree more Katie, just ignore them like a temporary blip and they'll soon go, boredom always works, especially with people who are pretty shallow and have a timespan focus of zilch.
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Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 05:37:34 (EST)
From: cp
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: YA
Message:
I just checked in after a few days off and I daresay that the influx of postings here made me think I had stumbled onto a rap star audition site..........
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 06:53:22 (EST)
From: BOG
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Garth
Message:
Garrrrth,
This is GOD speaking!

Not for $billion millenia have I had to put up with such utter balderdash!!
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 09:16:36 (EST)
From: Garth
Email: None
To: BOG
Subject: Garth
Message:
C'mon Boggy, old pal, don't take it personal-like. (What does BOG mean, anyway - Bad Old Grunt, Behind of God, Best of Guru's, give me a hint?) Anyway, I've made several posts - are you referring to all of them, some of them, one of them? I sometimes just try to get a rise out of people, instead of my usual closely-reasoned critiques. Looks like it worked better than I thought - I've offended the Great Progenerator Himself (or is it Herself?)

Promise to Write!!
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 10:02:28 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Garth
Subject: Garth
Message:
If you have read or seen the film 'A Clockwork Orange', 'BOG' is what Alex(the main character) calls god.

The person who is sending posts under this name is probably referring to the environment they live in. In Englisg slang a toilet is called a bog.

Regards Jethro
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Date: Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 03:37:15 (EST)
From: Roger Drek
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Chronicles Chapter 8!
Message:
I had to run this one by my legal department to make sure I wouldn't end up in jail again.

So, here it is, what you've been waiting for and what has been delayed by the Customs agents, Chapter 8 of the Chronicles of the Red Nighty - Just living to Serve

click here for Roger's House of Drek
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