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From: Jun 2, 1999 |
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Mark -:- responses to email -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:43:55 (EDT) __gregg -:- responses to email -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:23:21 (EDT) __Sandra -:- responses to email -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:04:17 (EDT) ____JHB -:- What do you know of M? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:19:35 (EDT) ______Sandra -:- What do you know of M? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:45:04 (EDT) ________JHB -:- What do you know of M? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:59:52 (EDT) ________polite -:- What do you know of M? -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 06:53:26 (EDT) ____Jim -:- responses to Sandra -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:37:08 (EDT) ____KB -:- Oops, sandy lied again -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 01:36:20 (EDT) ____Mark -:- responses to email -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 05:29:47 (EDT) __GI -:- Ever hear the one about the -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:46:22 (EDT) ____Jim -:- Might as well be a jesus freak -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 22:10:04 (EDT) ______GI -:- I might well be Jesus, u Freak -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 22:28:02 (EDT) ________KB -:- I might well be Jesus or shp -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 01:44:08 (EDT) ____Mark -:- Ever hear the one about the -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 03:57:29 (EDT) ______GI -:- Mark, is your journey posted? -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 09:00:43 (EDT) ________Mark -:- Mark, is your journey posted? -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 11:53:12 (EDT) ______Gail -:- Kudos, Mark! -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 15:15:02 (EDT) ______GI -:- Row, row, row your boat... -:- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:42:13 (EDT) ____Maggie -:- Ever hear the one about the -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 11:53:10 (EDT) __KB -:- great post Mark!-(nt) -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 01:37:28 (EDT) b -:- what are the 4 techniques -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:39:39 (EDT) __Nim -:- what are the 4 techniques -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:55:41 (EDT) ____Marianne -:- M's complaint -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:01:12 (EDT) ______Nim -:- M's complaint -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:21:00 (EDT) ____Mike -:- what are the 4 techniques -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:00:46 (EDT) __Katie -:- what are the 4 techniques -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:41:05 (EDT) ____Katie -:- what are the 4 techniques (II) -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:44:48 (EDT) ______b -:- what are the 4 techniques (II) -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:54:03 (EDT) __Motown -:- what are the 4 techniques -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:50:51 (EDT) Glibman -:- On Cults -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:00:36 (EDT) JHB -:- Preparing People for Knowledge -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:20:54 (EDT) __Gail -:- Preparing People for Knowledge -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:11:02 (EDT) ____JW -:- Preparing People for Knowledge -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:03:33 (EDT) ______Gail -:- All Old-timers in London, ON -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:31:18 (EDT) ________JHB -:- All Old-timers in London, ON -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:24:32 (EDT) __________Gail -:- All Old-timers in London, ON -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:59:24 (EDT) ____________Catweasel -:- The human race in London, ON -:- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 04:48:05 (EDT) Rob -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:13:34 (EDT) __Katie -:- His Golden Body -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:27:09 (EDT) ____Rob -:- His Golden Body -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:29:00 (EDT) ______Katie -:- His Golden Body -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:30 (EDT) ________Rob -:- His Golden Lite-Body -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:18:31 (EDT) __________Liz -:- His Golden Lite-Body -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:26:17 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Vested interest -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:29:04 (EDT) __________Jean-Michel -:- His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:15:45 (EDT) ____________JB -:- His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:08:25 (EDT) ______________JHB -:- His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:20:13 (EDT) ________________JB -:- His Golden etc. -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:58:52 (EDT) __________________Rob -:- His Golden etc. -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:02:37 (EDT) __________________JHB -:- His Golden etc. -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:17:15 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:42:45 (EDT) ______________Jim -:- Congratulations, Rob -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:20:21 (EDT) ______________Jean-Michel -:- Golden Glowing Body -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 09:53:40 (EDT) ________________Rob -:- smoke and mirrors -:- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:06:59 (EDT) ____G's mom -:- His Golden Body -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:06:50 (EDT) ______G's mom -:- more -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:11:26 (EDT) ________Jim -:- Thanks for the morning smile -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:33:16 (EDT) ________Jeffrey Hunter -:- Looking like Jesus -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:09:58 (EDT) ________GI -:- more -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 22:06:58 (EDT) __________Mickey the Pharisee -:- more -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 11:50:30 (EDT) ________Roger de plane Drek -:- Soon to be ***Best*** (nt) -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 02:51:47 (EDT) ________Katie -:- I laughed out loud... -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 16:00:39 (EDT) __Mike -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:54:02 (EDT) ____Helen -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:40:48 (EDT) ______Helen -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:42:02 (EDT) ________Liz -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:14:52 (EDT) __________Gerry -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:22:20 (EDT) __________Rob -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:27:43 (EDT) ____________Liz -:- Using my noddle -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:48 (EDT) ______________Rob -:- Monkey see, monkey do -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:01:10 (EDT) ________________Liz -:- Monkey see, monkey do -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:02:53 (EDT) __________________Marianne -:- Monkey too! (nt) -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:06:48 (EDT) __________Katie -:- Fat jokes (and swearing) -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:14:18 (EDT) ______Rob -:- the dancing in the lap thing -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:33:59 (EDT) ________gerry -:- the dancing in the lap thing -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:59:04 (EDT) __________Rob -:- exit stage left -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:37:48 (EDT) ____________Gail -:- Why don't you start a thread -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:18 (EDT) ______________Marianne -:- Letters to M -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:05:04 (EDT) ________________Gail -:- Letters to M -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:15:56 (EDT) __________________Marianne -:- Letters to M -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:47:17 (EDT) ____________________Gail -:- Letters to M -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:19:10 (EDT) ______________________Marianne -:- Darshan line -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 16:45:12 (EDT) ______________Rob -:- ALL ABOUT SERVICE -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:42:43 (EDT) ________________Jim -:- Funny!! -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:01:04 (EDT) __________________Rob -:- 411 -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:21:34 (EDT) ____________________Jim -:- No! -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:24:51 (EDT) ______________________Rob -:- half way -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:26:33 (EDT) ________________________Jim -:- no, here's why -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:39:20 (EDT) __________________________Rob -:- enjoy your nite out (nt) -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:43:28 (EDT) ________________Liz -:- ALL ABOUT SERVICE -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:35:25 (EDT) ____________Jerry -:- exit stage left -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:27:55 (EDT) ______________Helen -:- exit stage left -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:42:07 (EDT) ________________Rob -:- Helen's question -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:56:41 (EDT) __________________Helen -:- Helen's question -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:38:03 (EDT) ______________Rob -:- exit stage left -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:52:57 (EDT) ________________Jerry -:- exit stage left -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 08:30:14 (EDT) ______________Gail -:- Why clean the room if he's not -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 07:05:07 (EDT) ________________TD -:- Cleaning up for the Lard.... -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:03:03 (EDT) __________________Gail -:- Cleaning up for the Lard.... -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:12:28 (EDT) ____Roger E. Drek -:- And there was Divine -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:10:47 (EDT) ____rob -:- the dancing mala thing -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:30:52 (EDT) ______Mike -:- the dancing mala thing -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:51:53 (EDT) __Gerry -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:42:09 (EDT) ____gerry -:- PS -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:09:58 (EDT) ______Rob -:- PS -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:40:30 (EDT) ____Rob -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:15:36 (EDT) ______JHB -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:31:52 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Intimate contact...... -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:39:44 (EDT) ______Jim -:- Funny you should mention this -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:33:28 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Funny you should mention this -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:00:45 (EDT) __KB -:- incredible,incredible,incredib -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:41:05 (EDT) __Bobbie Sue -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:43:17 (EDT) ____cp -:- Rob -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:38:47 (EDT) ______Rob -:- ibid -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:13 (EDT) ________Mike -:- Denial.... -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:10:20 (EDT) __Liz -:- Chewing the fat -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:10:25 (EDT) ____Mike -:- The divine 'display' -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:19:43 (EDT) __Maggie -:- Chewing the fat -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:39:42 (EDT) ____Cardinal Pecorino -:- Heaven's Toilets -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:57:27 (EDT) ______Mike -:- But, Cardinal... -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:10:22 (EDT) ________Cardinal Virgilio -:- But, Cardinal... -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:03:51 (EDT) NoOne -:- plugged toilet -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:01:14 (EDT) __Gail -:- plugged toilet -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:57:04 (EDT) ____Happy -:- talking about toilets -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 13:28:41 (EDT) ______NoOne -:- talking toilets -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 13:43:53 (EDT) ________Mike -:- talking toilets -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:11:09 (EDT) ______No One -:- threatening on the internet -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:44:26 (EDT) ________barney -:- doesn't meet the bar -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:59:24 (EDT) __________No One -:- doesn't meet the bar -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:47:55 (EDT) ____________barney -:- doesn't meet the bar -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:06:48 (EDT) ____________Katie -:- Barney is the WebMaster -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:45:44 (EDT) ______________No One -:- Katie and Gail -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:50:13 (EDT) ________________barney -:- interesting story -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 01:53:57 (EDT) __________________Rob -:- Location of car -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 01:58:02 (EDT) __________________No One -:- interesting story -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:52:07 (EDT) ____________________No one -:- interesting story -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:54:51 (EDT) ______________________Helen -:- interesting story -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 10:02:01 (EDT) ______________________Liz -:- interesting story -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:49:39 (EDT) ________________________No One -:- Liz who are you following now -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:19:28 (EDT) ____________________barney -:- interesting story -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:15:05 (EDT) ____________________Gail -:- interesting story - humility -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:59:38 (EDT) ______________________No One -:- interesting story - humility -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 00:06:58 (EDT) ______________________No One -:- interesting story - humility -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 00:10:26 (EDT) ________________________Gail -:- interesting story - humility -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 19:58:53 (EDT) ________________Jim -:- He never said he was God? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:44:01 (EDT) __________________No One -:- He never said he was God? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:14:02 (EDT) ____________________Jim -:- Major points for No One!!!!!!! -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:57:50 (EDT) ________________Mike -:- M told us he was divine -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:49:49 (EDT) ________________Katie -:- Katie and Gail -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 16:41:35 (EDT) __________________No One -:- Katie and Gail -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 19:07:55 (EDT) ____________Jim -:- what about me? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:10:25 (EDT) ______________Rob -:- what about me? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:25:27 (EDT) ______________No One -:- what about me? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:57:11 (EDT) ________________Helen -:- M is a rough player -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:33:52 (EDT) __________________Liz -:- M is a rough player -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:52:35 (EDT) ______________Catweasel -:- what about me? -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:26:07 (EDT) ________________Jim -:- Barney, this is what I mean -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:24:03 (EDT) __________________barney -:- Barney, this is what I mean -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:08:30 (EDT) __________________Catweasel -:- Barney, this is what I mean -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:42:37 (EDT) ________Roger E. Drek -:- threatening on the internet -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:52:47 (EDT) __________Marianne -:- M's forum ads -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:36:34 (EDT) __________Mike -:- WELL SAID, Roger! -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:19:05 (EDT) ____NoOne -:- plugged toilet -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 13:37:46 (EDT) ______KB -:- jeeze, n one -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:54:22 (EDT) __Roger E. Drek -:- Maharaji's a big turd! -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:04:39 (EDT) ____Jim -:- Did he really say that? -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:36:11 (EDT) ____Marshall -:- Maharaji's Plumbing Fetish -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:50:41 (EDT) ______KB -:- goldenboy -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:58:45 (EDT) __UNO -:- It's all yours, Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:21:37 (EDT) ____Happy -:- It's all yours, Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:32:47 (EDT) __Katie -:- plugged toilet -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:04:28 (EDT) ____Mike -:- Amen sister -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:09:27 (EDT) ____Jean-Michel -:- M said we're a hate group -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:11:11 (EDT) ______Nil -:- M said we're a hate group -:- Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:01:22 (EDT) __KB -:- guess who did the shitting? -:- Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:46:11 (EDT) ____barney -:- test - ignore -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 15:42:13 (EDT) ______barney -:- test - ignore -:- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 15:43:17 (EDT) |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:43:55 (EDT)
From: Mark Email: Apple4256 To: Everyone Subject: responses to email Message: I recieved two e-mails from from people desperately asking for feedback- with girlfriends, boyfriends , and children they feel are being flushed down Maharaji's Golden toilet, and asked for help. I have attempted to email the following to them, and also felt to post it to the Forum( if someone can e- foward this post to sandbrown@rcn.co- att; McGuiles eyes only, and fabfeb@airmail.net, it would be appreciated.) First of all, there are 11,000+ formal religions that exist, and I assure you the large majority think they have 'IT'. Your friend, I am sure, and her family-- fit in that category.Secondly, they ARE having an experience. Thirdly, they are dealing with a well-honed 4000 year old devotional tradition, which rerally invades the old brain with a powerful mixture of Fear, Bliss and Myth - not to mention the possibility (delivered trough an operant conditioning mode that would make Dr. Skinner proud) of a DIVINE authority power figure. Once this 'Devotional Cocktail' is swallowed, it really pervades the system.Especially when it is washed down with a chaser of Total Surrender. So the only hope is LOVE, TRUTH(honesty) and BLISS, delivered outside that particular belief system, and an understanding that while delivering results , it is not the best for an individuals long term growth or soul development. ( in fact, it is a system with the devotee doing all the work- except the marketing) I could tell you 100 stories about Maharaji not being who he says he is,but that , STRANGE BUT TRUE, is not the Crux of the issue. What IS, is that you friends BELIEVE he IS the ONE. And that BELIEF is one that they constantly reinforce (or have reinforced for them) And any belief system, well-oiled, can continually prove itself. You can see that in religion,politics,self-assessments, etc. What would break that spell ? Do you want to break that spell ? Do you hae a right to ? That's YOUR call. I've made peace with each finding their own way and not saving anyone. (Which doesn't mean not speaking when spoken to). TRUTH- there are all sorts of factual accoutings of things that pull the curtain on the ONE TRUE ONE thing. Elan Vital/DLM site has a lot of info. Suffice it to say.1. KNOWLEDGE is one of literally 100's of superconsciousness techniques- not the ONE.2. Maharaji is one of over 50 human beings presenting themselves as THE PERFECT ONE,AVATAR, MASTER, etc. In fact, I was at one gathering recently and said I had followed 'the Lord of the Universe' for 20 years. Someone said'Which one ?' That says it all, doesn't it? 3, Even accepting the PerfectMaster thing,( which while holographically fuctional, is bottom-line Bogus)it seems historically that Maharaji's father,passed over by his Guru as the One (in fact, that Guru named 4' Ones':hindu mathematics,perhaps?) JUST WENT OUT AND APPOINTED HIMSELF. Holy Milli Vanilli ! And I bowed and groveled to Milli's Son ! Ah, Never underestimate the power of a WELL-DELIVERED MYTH! Any way there are plenty more fundamental mistruths , but that should get you and yours started. BLISS- the bliss delivered in the devotional universe is quite high octane . Also, that bliss is deftly utilized as a tool for social control and behavior modification by Mr Guru Maharaji. I mean he is a brilliant, though Machiavellian character, and has been doing this for his whole life. He does know how to work his crowds and keep them 'working on Maggie's farm.' Also, we must address the fear of loss of that bliss and the SECURITY of feeling you have the true thing( while in actual experience, the fear thing ends very quickly, it is quite an existential abyss to cross over- and really HARD to face.) So what can substitute for ' Guru'bliss. That's an important question, and one that each individual must answer. I will point out that it was US that we experienced , not the stimulus. So we must find settings to allow that level of Truth Consciousness and Bliss to run through us. The main thing I want to say is that THE EXPERIENCE(and more) IS AVAILABLE TO US IF WE REALLY WANT OR' INTEND' IT. I for one feel I have grown enormously in the last 5 years in carrying light or bliss or whatever you call it. For me absorbing other cosmological views that had the INDIVIDUAL as the creator of their own universe were very helpful. Others take a hiatus from it all.I think that's individual. But one important step in freeing oneself from a Bhakti Cult is identifying that the bliss as self-perpetuated,and making a total committment to staying in that feeling of feeling good.The truth is that requires more work and committment than the DEFAULT choice of being a congregation member. But this is the historical juncture that our species is at, anyway- TAKING CONTROL OF OUR LIVES, and accepting the attendant responsibilities. I will say that through hard work I have reprogrammed myself, and now feel higher clearer, and more in touch with Source or Spirit than I ever did in the Guru System. Specifically, I no longer have to Dissapear ( De-Vote ) to experience what I want to experience. This Disempowerment in the pursuit of bliss, has been substituted for reempowerment(RE-Voting)in the pursuit of bliss. And that, in the words of the poet, has made all the difference.This is a large, affectionate, beautiful and mysterious universe we live in, and suffice it to say that there are more and more enjoyable ways to make love to life than the MISSIONARY position with the Guru on top. And MUCH MORE JOY TO BE FOUND OUTSIDE THE BELIEF SYSTEM BOX( or at least experience other larger belief systems! ). Because finally and ultimately we must adore ourselves with the same PERSONAL and IMPERSONAL fervor we once give/gave the GURU of the moment. Until that understanding kicks in, there is no possibility of outgrowing the Guru System. With the SELF LOVE, there is no way of NOT outgrowing (abraham-hicks.com, orindaben.com, Deepak Chopra, and Oprah all may be useful 'neutral'perspective granters. The list of similar viewpoints is legion.) LOVE- the 3rd component.Love outside the Guru/Cult box. That's where YOU come in. Are you ready to truly love these people enough? This note and the ex-premie sites may help, but there has to be some version of tangible, digestible love. So you'll have to make sure you know what you're getting into. Subconsciously,everyone in Maharaji's world knows that things have slowed or stopped growing, but greater growth & freedom are scary, and very confrontational. And don't forget this rarely discussed point.OUTSIDE OF THE BLISS LOVE MASTER thing, this is BOTTOMLINE, a FEAR BASED HIERARCHIAL system( seen ONLY AFTER exiting ). And somebody has to be there to help them off the Guru's boat-from experience,most are at first,quite'seasick' So the only antidote for Fear is Love. People cannot be convinced to leave a belief system. They have to eventually OUTGROW it, in search of greater Love. Anyway, I know that this can be of value to you. Good luck. And don't forget: The Force is with you ( as well as the greater love) Mark Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:23:21 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: Mark Subject: responses to email Message: Well-written. Apt reference to Milli Vannilli. Thanks. The insistence on the part of most religions and cults that they have the market on Truth has always infuriated me. In this culture, we're used to Christians telling us this -- that we're going to Hell if we don't believe as they do. But a generous way to look at all these religious fanatics is this: they are right in what they affirm, wrong in what they deny. In other words, there are ethical principles posited by religious doctrine (and mystical experience triggered by meditative techniques) that I would see as useful...but to come out of that and dis other religions/experiences is so obviously wrong I can't understand why it is so bloody universal. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:04:17 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Mark Subject: responses to email Message: Dear Mark, Wow, nice vocabulary. Though I must say, you do your own share of thinly-disguised name calling and boxing/labeling loads of other people quite offhandedly. Though it's good for a quick, cheap laugh, comparing Maharaji or his father, who I presume you never met, to Milli Vanilli is demeaning to you as well as to any of the many people who love Maharaji dearly currently. Are you that tone-deaf that you'd study singing with someone who has no voice for 20 years? Perhaps your memory fails you a bit in that regard. In regard to some of your other points: 'KNOWLEDGE is one of literally 100's of superconsciousness techniques-' May or may not be true...you obviously enjoy exaggerating the numbers. In any case, that's fine by me. I've found it to be quite perfectly satisfying for over 25 years and haven't felt the need to determine if there exists, say, an elbow technique. Not that it's hugely important but the scriptures from various traditions over thousands of years all point to the same techniques. 'Maharaji is one of over 50 human beings presenting themselves as THE PERFECT ONE,AVATAR, MASTER, etc.' Jeez, where do you get these numbers...Farmer's Almanac? Again, I don't really care because he speaks to me. In my exposure to others of the potential group you name, the Dalai Lama, Bubba Free John, Krishnamurti, I didn't see or feel anything like what I feel with Maharaji. Maybe others do. I found and find him to be the most radiant, fun, bliss-inducing character with the most all-inclusive, widest frame of reference I've ever met. I enjoy the fact that he's just as comfortable using Uma and Parvati and Groucho and Chico to make a point. Van Gogh and Arjuna. You call him Machiavellian, I'd say you got the period right, Renaissance. Perhaps your receptors are Machiavellian...just a thought. 'I was at one gathering recently and said I had followed 'the Lord of the Universe' for 20 years. Someone said'Which one ?' Perhaps they were referring to the word Universe ;) ...especially since you go on to recommend non-corporeal channelers and talk-show hosts. 'this is BOTTOMLINE, a FEAR BASED HIERARCHIAL system' Sounds good. But what exactly would the hierarchy be right now? Maharaji and you. Noone gives a hoot for the few people who organize events or the few instructors. Maybe it was fear-based for you. It's most definitely love-based for me. The 'system', for me, is exactly as advertised...one-on-one. Call it master and devotee, teacher and student...doesn't matter. It's based on the deepest love I've ever tasted. Maybe Oprah gets you in a sweeter place, who's to say! 'the Guru/Cult box' 'BELIEF SYSTEM BOX' No thanks. I've spent too many years UNPACKING my boxes and, in case you haven't noticed, so has Maharaji. He's just more subtle than people seem to recognize, at times. 'Subconsciously,everyone in Maharaji's world knows that things have slowed or stopped growing' A sightly desperate sounding form of wishful thinking and not true. 'This is a large, affectionate, beautiful and mysterious universe we live in' Thank you, I'll buy that. That spoke to me. Be well, Sandra Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:19:35 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Sandra, Please tell us about your personal contacts with Maharaji. I would like to know what you know about him. Have you ever had a conversation with him? Been in his company for any length of time apart from programs? What I'm trying to establish is if your image of Maharaji is based on personal experience, or is an invention of your mind. Regards, John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:45:04 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: JHB Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Hi John, My personal contacts with M have been numerous over many years. I've had lots of conversations with him, usually in small groups but also one-on-one. He's always been delightful with me and very warm. I have to go run some errands now but wanted to answer your polite question. You ask if my image of him is an invention of my mind...no, it's based on real life interaction. What I've been reading here, I must say, does sound like an invention of someone's mind, a truly fictional character. Regards right back atcha, Sandra Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:59:52 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Sandra, There are many questions I would like to ask you, as one of the very premies to have had extensive personal contact. In my 25 years I never did. One question that is quite current relates to Maharaji's claim to have never been a leader (on his website). What do you think of this? He didn't reply to my email on this. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 06:53:26 (EDT)
From: polite Email: polite To: Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: polite Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:37:08 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: responses to Sandra Message: comparing Maharaji or his father, who I presume you never met, to Milli Vanilli is demeaning to you as well as to any of the many people who love Maharaji dearly currently. Why would you say this? If Maharaji's the fraud we all think he is, what would be demeaning in the comparison? Are you that tone-deaf that you'd study singing with someone who has no voice for 20 years? What we were studying was a lot more ephemeral than singing, Sandra. It was 'god realization'. Of course, it was all bullshit. This isn't at all like singing. Terrible analogy. Maybe it was fear-based for you. It's most definitely love-based for me. It was just like this mind. Once it throws you over, what chance have you got? You try to climb aboard, or you try to even -- you can't do anything, it's just got you. You know, it's just got you. *** So that mind, that factor that's always against us, can get us; it has the potential of getting us. What I am trying to say is that I'm not trying to kid you when I say that the mind can zap you, the mind can get you. It can get you. And we have to be aware of that, and do something, and the only thing we can do to avoid that, is to surrender to Guru Maharaj Ji. 'And I know a lot of people give this example that Guru Maharaj Ji is the sailor, is the person that if you hop on his boat, he can take you from one end to the other end. *** If you just jump off, that's where you're going to stay. You're probably going to drown. And if there's a current coming, it's just going to sweep you away. And then maybe, after you die, you're going to become really buoyant, and then it'll just take you and put you ashore somewhere.' May or may not be true...you obviously enjoy exaggerating the numbers. If it's true how is he exaggerating? And if you think his figure's off what's your estimate? In my exposure to others of the potential group you name, the Dalai Lama, Bubba Free John, Krishnamurti, I didn't see or feel anything like what I feel with Maharaji. Maybe others do. And if others do what does that tell you? That you better not think about it? Here's a scenario for you. You're stuck in a broken elevator with none other than one of Satpal's followers. The only way you find out is when you mumble something under your breath -- , Maharaji, please, Lord -- only to hear him muttering something just like it. You guys start talking. He wants to pray to his Guru Maharaj Ji for help, you're going to keep praying to your Maharaji (ne Guru Maharaj Ji). After a while, nothing's happening and you guys, too bored to not, start talking. He tells you how completely beautiful and magnificent his Guru Maharaj Ji is. Yes, he'd heard of a couple of younger brothers but that was about it. You, for your part, haven't really heard that much about Satpal either. So you compare notes..... Think about it, Sandra. Think about it. 'This is a large, affectionate, beautiful and mysterious universe we live in' 'Affectionate'? Please! Before I go, though, where's your backup on your allegation that Gail ranted at a public program? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 01:36:20 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Oops, sandy lied again Message: for 25 years you have been perfectly satisfied? You liar. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 05:29:47 (EDT)
From: Mark Email: None To: Sandra Alexandra Subject: responses to email Message: Sandra A response to some points. Then I'm back to real life again. The Milli reference is I think good.Its turns out Shri Maharaji did crown himself. Everybody(or at least great numbers-unless they too exaggerate) loves the guy-(like the Vanilli's). Suddenly turns out its not them really singing.Wow. Bummer. Does that invalidate the past experience ? Not to me. But its hard to take the group seriously afterward. Same for The Rawat family and their claims of lineage and grace.Call it the Humpty Dumpty syndrome.Doesn't mean we are not loving Grandpa Rawat. We're just seeing a bit of a rogue con artist in the family gene pool,( along with the family charisma ).And I'm not saying Maharaji is evil, but he does know how to manipulate people, and the truth.He has completely rewritten his past. That is his right,but has permanently corrupted him in my estimation. Not that would have the same effect on anyone else. It reminds me of something a teacher once said when I was explaining to him about the validity of selling his textbooks. He said,'don't bother me with facts. I've already made up my mind !' This in a nutshell, in the response of many. Ostrich Culture. 100's of techniques(conservative figure actually-Dr Stone lists 100's from the Tibetian Tradition alone, not to mention Hindu,Kaballistic, Masons, Gnostic, Balinese, Hawaiian,etc+ plus channeled stuff,if you choose to include that). THEY DEFINITELY ALL DON'T POINT TO THE SAME TECHNIQUES.NO WAY ! . That is the divine light mission myth machine at work'. Jesus gave this knowledge. Shri Maharaj came from the great lineage.''Also All total BULLSHIT !!!! there are 30+ turban Perfect Masters(various singh light & sound guys) 2 Rawats(GMJ and Balbagwan) the guys you mentioned,3 ladies (1 Vietnamese), not to mention 4 or 5 Ascended Master Leaders, probably100 Christian USA Cult leaders( let's not forget Reverend Moon ), a lot of Hindu Avatars(sai Baba might actaually be one,if such a thing exists) a british guy called Mayitra. . . anyway, that's how I got to 50. the Lord of the Universe reference was up at a spiritual conference' and actually referred to the people in the above paragraph. As far as disparaging Oprah, I'm absolutely certain she has done more for Love Light and empowering and enabling Human Beings than the entire Rawat family has & will ever do. She at least understands giving ,service, and the true value of Real Satsang. To me the greatest teaching is self love, and while M truly loves himself and invites people to join him in the bliss of his self adoration, he systematically hampers development( actually energetically, he steals the power) in his followers. I agree they may be too blissed to notice( i was too for my first 12 years), but this is how Bhakti works ( its sort of like a cousin to SM ).Love is there, but the ability to actually 'be' the light, and live in truly sovereign fashion ,dissapates. I'd explain the fear thing, but Jim covered this with his customary aplomb and vitriol. Finally,is he your Lord ? Superior POWER in person ? Is he higher than you? Thats enough of a higher-archy to me.It can work, but if its not true,can't we stop playacting the DIVINE MILLI VANILLI AND devotee /student/dust at his feet/lover? and Evolve ? Maybe Maharaji can confess on Oprah . . . I wish you health wealth and crystal clarityof INTENTION in your future growth and expansion.Don't sign away power of attorney to your own soul.DEMAND THE VERY HIGHEST. SOAR> & Be well. . . Mark Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:46:22 (EDT)
From: GI Email: None To: Mark Subject: Ever hear the one about the Message: sailor who was caught in a storm? He prayed to God that if he and his gold were saved from his imminent doom, he would give Him 100 gold coins. Miraculously, the sailor was immediately washed ashore, which was a miracle in itself since he had been far out at sea. He also had his bag of gold coins intact. He went into a nearby town to eat and refresh himself and find a place to rest. In the town square were 100 teachers, all sitting in a row and proclaiming to be the Master of the Age. He went up to each, bowed and put one gold coin into each's donation basket. As he did so, each one thanked him and gave him a blessing. When he got to the last one, he bowed and put one gold coin into the donation basket. As he was turning to walk away, the old man piped up, 'Hey sonny, where's the other 99 gold coins you promised me when I saved you from that nasty storm?' Upon hearing this, the sailor realized that this last one was the one who had somehow heard him and saved him. And that person became the sailor's Master Teacher. I wasn't a sailor, but I was definitely in a deadly storm in my life. Maharaji manifested in much the same way to me as the Master in the story, figuratively speaking. He knew me intimately and let me know it. It was no parlor trick. It's a personal experience, perhaps the most personal experience two human beings can have, not subject to the scrutiny of anyone. That is why there is no middle ground here. It's not because all premies are weak, stupid or brainwashed. It's because we have befriended something inside that is bigger than both of us. And we happen to appreciate the messenger very much, despite the problems and changes which you have so faithfully documented herein. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 22:10:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: GI Subject: Might as well be a jesus freak Message: GI, Save your testimonials for someone who cares. Right now, for all it matters, your saviour might be licking the pussy of his lovely little mistress, getting stoned or having a drink. He's laughing at you, you fool. Rent Life of Brian. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 22:28:02 (EDT)
From: GI Email: None To: Jim Subject: I might well be Jesus, u Freak Message: Dear Jim, The story and my note was not a testimonial. Maharaji's personal business is personal. To be able to laugh at oneself or allow others to laugh at oneself is a sign of strength, not weakness. So you are clairvoiant now and you can see him laughing at me? Maybe he's laughing at you! Check you crystal ball. I already saw The Life of Brian. Funny flick. GI (God Incarnate, Goddammed Intellectual, Gay Interloper, Government Issue, Guido Indoglio, George the Ist...a rose by any other name...) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 01:44:08 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: GI Subject: I might well be Jesus or shp Message: Hmmmm? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 03:57:29 (EDT)
From: Mark Email: None To: GI Subject: Ever hear the one about the Message: the emails I was responding to were from people suffering from Knowledge association.Maharaji is your savior or golden master. That's great. I understand. I've been there. I moved on. I had to. Not right or wrong,just what I had to do to experience god in my own way.I just thing the master/superior thing is dead. Toast. Both letters were begging for assistance in at least opening a bit of perspective. So I spoke to those people on a possible scenario of freedom from the savior/gratitude loop, I'm glad Maharaji is floating your boat. But he was sinking mine. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 09:00:43 (EDT)
From: GI Email: None To: Mark Subject: Mark, is your journey posted? Message: Dear Mark, I'd appreciate hearing how your boat was getting sunk by Maharaji. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 11:53:12 (EDT)
From: Mark Email: None To: GI Subject: Mark, is your journey posted? Message: yes under Mark Appleman Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 15:15:02 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Mark Subject: Kudos, Mark! Message: I'm glad Maharaji is floating your boat. But he was sinking mine. What a great line! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:42:13 (EDT)
From: GI Email: None To: Mark Subject: Row, row, row your boat... Message: Dear Mark, Was it your own thinking that changed or was Maharaji running around your main deck knocking holes in it with a sledgehammer? Let's be real honest here. Can you honestly say he was sinking your boat, like he goes around and arbitrarily picks certain premies to maliciously fuck with? Or are you saying that you changed and the changes didn't include him? Spit it out, Mark. You are a truthteller, and you want to be known as one one by all who meet you. So tell it. GI Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 11:53:10 (EDT)
From: Maggie Email: None To: GI Subject: Ever hear the one about the Message: Hi GI, Try singing '99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall' just as effective a remedy. Maggie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 01:37:28 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Mark Subject: great post Mark!-(nt) Message: yjk Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:39:39 (EDT)
From: b Email: None To: Everyone Subject: what are the 4 techniques Message: I was just wondering if anybody will tell me the techniques so i can try it for myself. thanks Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:55:41 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: b Subject: what are the 4 techniques Message: 1)close your eyes 2)close your ears 3)Feel your breath 4)Taste your snot Now get a life! And consider this. Meditation may actually NOT be good for you. Even if you do it without a whole guru trip involved... meditation can be a negative, even harmful experience for SOME people. One man's wine can be another man's poison, so be careful and don't get carried away. Most of all enjoy yourself, its great to be alive!!! Regards, M Nimmanand Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:01:12 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Nim Subject: M's complaint Message: Hey Nim! Did ya see that the Mster was railing about the forum at the event in Miami? What do you think? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:21:00 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: M's complaint Message: Marianne, Not really surprised if he had us on his mind when he was talking about blocked toilets. Last year in Montreal, he was referring to smoke that had covered a good chunk of southern florida, from fires in Mexico. He was saying that behind the smoke, the sun was still shining for those who wanted to see it. In retrospect I feel he was thinking about the forum, when he made his 'smoke' references. If it just wasn't for the smoke coming off this forum, everyone would be able to enjoy the beautiful sun. I believe that was what m really wanted to say. But he didn't actually refer to the forum directly. Did he do so in Miami? Now that would be news. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:00:46 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Nim Subject: what are the 4 techniques Message: Nim: You forgot to tell him to 'squeeze' his eyeballs lightly so that he experiences phosgenes and to 'listen' for the first signs of tinnitus (the music). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:41:05 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: b Subject: what are the 4 techniques Message: Here is a reference for the four techniques, as they were taught in the 70's and early 80's (I believe they are taught slightly differently now, but the basic idea is similar). the Four Techniques Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:44:48 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: all Subject: what are the 4 techniques (II) Message: Also, check out: the four techniques as they are taught now. Hope this helps. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:54:03 (EDT)
From: b Email: None To: Katie Subject: what are the 4 techniques (II) Message: Thank you Katie. I apreciate your honesty and sincerity. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:50:51 (EDT)
From: Motown Email: None To: b Subject: what are the 4 techniques Message: Yo Bro, The Four Techniques was the orginal name of the Four Tops. Get in the groove man. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:00:36 (EDT)
From: Glibman Email: None To: Everyone Subject: On Cults Message: You all might want to check this site out. http://www.csj.org/ I'm sure many of you have. Check out Cult 101. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:20:54 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Preparing People for Knowledge Message: One thing that I've been thinking about is the preparation of new people for K. It always seemed reasonable to me that in order for new people to give the techniques a real chance they needed to be convinced of the importance of K. For instance, someone learning the techniques from this site is unlikely to practice them seriously for any extended time. This leads to the issue of how long people need to practice before they actually get something from the techniques. From the accounts on this forum, (which are more likely to be accurate than those on the ELK site), it seems some people have strong experiences immediately, while some never get anything out of meditation. For myself, it took about six months of ashram life to actually get an experience that convinced me that there was something 'divine' inside. (Whether that interpretation was correct is another thread entirely.) In the old days, M could actually keep premies even though they had no experience from K because of his claims to be God, and the strong social adhesion of the premie community. Now, I would guess that his only way of getting new devotees is if they have a strong experience, AND they believe it comes from him. However, my guess is that there will still be a lot of new premies who don't experience anything even after months of practice. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of current drop out rates? Of course, the other purpose of the preparation time is the brainwashing as discussed below. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:11:02 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: JHB Subject: Preparing People for Knowledge Message: I cannot speak for anywhere else, but in this little town, four people have received K in the last 14 years and none of them is still around. I couldn't understand why they just vanished soon after K, but they did. It is not as interesting to keep in touch with the meditation teacher; the Lord is another story. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:03:33 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Gail Subject: Preparing People for Knowledge Message: Gail, are the premies in your town at all freaked out that propogation has been such a failure? Do they ever talk about it? Are the premies in your city whot are still involved all hold-overs from the 70s? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:31:18 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: JW Subject: All Old-timers in London, ON Message: No one was ever freaked out about it except me. I couldn't understand why the new people didn't realize who MJ was. Everyone here is 1970s vintage. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 18:24:32 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Gail Subject: All Old-timers in London, ON Message: I was confused by your reply thinking that only 4 people had received knowledge in London in the last few years. Then I realised that ON meant Ontario. Us Brits aren't so knowledgable about US/Canadian addressing standards. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:59:24 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: JHB Subject: All Old-timers in London, ON Message: London, Ontario is a city of 325 000. The ratio of premies to worldly people in this city is staggering, isn't it. I never could figure out why everyone was interested. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 04:48:05 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Gail Subject: The human race in London, ON Message: What the hell are 'worldly people'???More divisions.Gail,you know better than this. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:13:34 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Chewing the fat Message: I spent a couple of hours yesterday browsing through the Forum archives, and one thing in particular struck me as worthy of comment. That is, the incredible number of instances that the word 'fat' is used by way of an insult to Maharaji. Now I'm not going to get into whether that is an accurate description or not, but rather how incredibly insensitive and politically incorrect it is to use that aspect of a person by way of an insult. There can be no uncertainty in the mind of anyone who reads these pages, that no effort is spared to paint Maharaji as a thoroughly despicable character, but have any of you considered the effect the use of that word may be having on people who are overweight, obese or well, fat? I'm singling this out because it is unique among the vituperations cast upon him. All the others - 'evil, greedy, brainwashing, manipulative, etc etc' are essentially negative traits or behaviours which, if applicable, would make one justifiably ashamed to admit to. But to then add 'fat' to this collection, thereby implying that this, too, is a negative attribute, shows how truly insensitive and unconscious you have become. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:27:09 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Rob Subject: His Golden Body Message: Hi Rob - I usually object strenously to insults based on people's physical appearance. I personally have no problem with Maharaji being overweight - he is built almost exactly (height and weight) like one of my best friends. And, BTW, I have never used the word 'fat' as an insult when describing Maharaji. The reason that I think so many people here use 'fat' as an insult was that we were basically never allowed to say that Maharaji was overweight, or could stand to lose a few pounds, or whatever. Instead, we heard hours and hours of satsang from people who drooled over 'his golden body' and his 'perfect' form and so forth. It's sort of like the story 'The Emperor Has No Clothes' - I am sure you are familiar with this. The fact is that Maharaji IS overweight by Western standards. Being able to say this, openly, is quite liberating to some people who felt that they could NEVER say it. I don't think that most of the people here would condemn someone just because they were overweight. I know I wouldn't. Most of us are getting older and those of us who had the tendency are starting to put on weight. I agree that dissing people SOLELY because they are overweight is wrong. I'm also aware that our Western standards for body size and weight are unrealistic, and lead to many problems in our society (anorexia and other eating disorders). However, the fact is that many people here worshipped or praised Maharaji's physical appearance (darshan, pictures, and so on), and thus they have a negative reaction when they finally become free of this attitude. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:29:00 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Katie Subject: His Golden Body Message: A very well thought out reply, thanks Katie. Have to conceed you the point about 'his Golden Form', not something I wanted to express my thoughts about either, at the time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:30 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Rob Subject: His Golden Body Message: Hi Rob - You wrote: Have to conceed you the point about 'his Golden Form', not something I wanted to express my thoughts about either, at the time. Thanks for saying that although I wasn't really trying to MAKE a point - mostly just trying to explain. I AM curious however, by what you mean by 'at the time'. Does this mean that premies (or PWK's) now feel OK about saying (for example) 'Maharaji could stand to lose a few pounds', or similar statements? I do remember some premies I know saying things within the last year like 'I think M's even lost some weight', which, as I'm sure you know, would have been a very daring statement in the 70's. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:18:31 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Katie Subject: His Golden Lite-Body Message: Does this mean that premies (or PWK's) now feel OK about saying (for example) 'Maharaji could stand to lose a few pounds' Sure, why not? Next question perhaps, 'would they say it to his face?' . Depends on their degree of familiarity with him, I think. For example, I'd say it to someone I'd been working with for a while, but not to a business client or my boss's wife, for example. [I just know somebody is going to jump in with 'oh, so you look at M. as a business client or your boss's wife? You're not a true devotee blah blah blah...'] He has trimmed down a bit recently, by what I've seen. But you know, it's really not a hot topic of conversation around premies. He's aware of his weight - if he wants to lose some for health reasons or whatever, that's up to him, just like you or I. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:26:17 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: His Golden Lite-Body Message: Do you think M wears a bullet-proof vest? This could make him look a bit bigger than he really is. It's often crossed my mind as I've looked at him up there on stage. What with all the heavy security and all. Once I bought a $100 pair of binoculars so I could oggle. Crazy or what! Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:29:04 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Vested interest Message: Do you think M wears a bullet-proof vest? This could make him look a bit bigger than he really is. Not since Gail was barred! SORRY GAIL JUST KIDDING. I know, cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:15:45 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Rob Subject: His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod Message: wouldn't be so shining without these 10s of 1000s of watts when he's on stage! Do you have any idea of how many projectors are needed? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:08:25 (EDT)
From: JB Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod Message: That's crap, Jean-Michel. As someone who's worked on events for years, your theories are laughable. Why would he have the house lights up if he wanted to use lighting tricks? Why would the chairs he sits in get smaller? Why would he ask the band not to hype it up? Why would the backdrops become subtler? And why would he look so golden backstage where there are no lights on him at all? As to your slow-motion theories, you obviously haven't watched American sports on TV to any degree. Noone is getting out of their seat in a trance saying, 'I must go see Bob Costas or Al Michaels right away! They fill me with love!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:20:13 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: JB Subject: His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod Message: JB said:- 'That's crap, Jean-Michel. As someone who's worked on events for years, your theories are laughable. Why would he have the house lights up if he wanted to use lighting tricks? Why would the chairs he sits in get smaller? Why would he ask the band not to hype it up? Why would the backdrops become subtler? And why would he look so golden backstage where there are no lights on him at all?' Why were the chairs (designed by M) so large before? Why do you make a virtue on his decision to sit in smaller chairs? And to whom does he look so golden backstage? I think you'll find it's only the premies. Not a very objective group. Regarding the house lights - he wants any premie wanting to leave from boredom to be visible to discourage it! Regarding the band - why did they play Arti at Long Beach in 1997 if not to 'hype it up'? John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:58:52 (EDT)
From: JB Email: None To: JHB Subject: His Golden etc. Message: 'to whom does he look so golden backstage?' To me. I'm speaking for myself. And I know about lighting. 'Regarding the band - why did they play Arti at Long Beach in 1997 if not to 'hype it up'?' If you call a little Spanish guy playing a nylon string guitar with no vocals 'hyping it up' then we have different definitions of hype. JB Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:02:37 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: JB Subject: His Golden etc. Message: Easy, mate, don't blow your cover! Backstages are not very populous places, these days! your bro' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:17:15 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: JB Subject: His Golden etc. Message: Playing a tune to a song that was sung every night at every ashram for many years with words that clearly stated that Maharaji was the Lord of Everything certainly comes across as hyping it up to me. Or weren't you around in those days? My personal Pavlovian conditioning came straight into play at that point, as I'm sure many others' did. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:42:45 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: His Golden Elecrtic Ligted Bod Message: Jean-Michel, It's not like you to give such an ill-informed commentary on basic staging techniques. The stage lighting at current events is primarily intended to provide sufficient lux for the video cameras to create a well-defined image at the highest F-stop possible. It is a balance between picture quality and stage temperature, visual comfort of the presenter and power available. Assuming an ideal reflective illumination of, say, 2000 lux at 3500degK, a typical lighting plot would need at least 6 x 1200W elipsoidal projectors at a throw of 20m (60') Hope that sheds some light on the subject for you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:20:21 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Congratulations, Rob Message: The stage lighting at current events is primarily intended to provide sufficient lux for the video cameras to create a well-defined image at the highest F-stop possible. It is a balance between picture quality and stage temperature, visual comfort of the presenter and power available. Rob, It's becoming clearer and clearer that you're settling into the OP role. Here's what we can expect: 1) as much off-topic 'camaraderie' as we can stomach with someone who, let's not forget, none of us will probably never meet. 2) some 'real' empathy on indisputable points as they arise. No finger-pointing, though. At least not at Maharaji. Maybe some minions, scapegoats, what have you. But not Maharaji. 3) some superficial willingness to engage in real discussion. 4) lots of helpful but ultimately unimportant information. CD, it should be noted, has tried to fill this role himself but he's unable to sustain a discussion so it's really not his calling. What's needed, you figure, is someone with a little more rounded personality. Maybe you watched CD stumble and thought you'd assist. Your real thoughts, Rob, are kept safely under lock and key elsewhere, I'm sure. This is just something you're kind of doing, right? Now what other burning information do you have for us? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 09:53:40 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Rob Subject: Golden Glowing Body Message: Hey Rob, I'm not saying he doesn't need enough light to get a good video of himself! I'm into underlining that watching that sort of brilliant spot for hours, like you and me did, without blinking, is ALSO a very powerful trick used to hypnotize people. Did you ever try to wear sun glasses whilst watching him (daytime) in India ? I did! I remember I was surprised of the difference! Why don't we listen to him, watching him casually like you do in any other circumstance? Whatever your justifications are, I'm into getting professional advice about this. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:06:59 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: smoke and mirrors Message: I'm into underlining that watching that sort of brilliant spot for hours, like you and me did, without blinking, is ALSO a very powerful trick used to hypnotize people. OK, I see where you are headed with this. I think you are clutching at straws, trying to make a case for the prosecution where none exists, but good luck with it. BTW, speak for yourself about the non-blinking bit. Of course I blink, it's a normal eye function. If you really did force yourself to watch for hours without blinking, it's no wonder you became a bit unhinged; brainwashed, even, but it was self-inflicted. Why don't we listen to him, watching him casually like you do in any other circumstance? I remember seeing some people years ago staring, eyes transfixed on the stage, maybe you were one of them. Speaking for myself, which is something you really should have a go at, I was never that rigid - makes your neck stiff and your eyes bug out. Sure, I concentrate, more so than if it was just someone up there reading the weather report, but then he is my teacher and I've gone there with the intent of trying to learn and understand something more. I do agree that you should seek professional advice, but we probably differ as to the exact purpose of your visit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:06:50 (EDT)
From: G's mom Email: None To: Katie Subject: His Golden Body Message: Flawless analysis Katie! Even I have been known to refer to0 him as fatso and I have struggled with my weight all my life. Especially right now! But there is something so freeing to an ex to call Rawat fatso. I think you hit why it feels so good to say it on the head. He really is a strange looking little man. For years, as you so well said, we denied the obvious and spoke of his beauty. We of course, all us imperfect humans, can be beautiful without looking like movie stars, but we were worshiping him and the never spoke of his obviously odd physical appearance. It feels good to speak the truth. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:11:26 (EDT)
From: G's mom Email: None To: all Subject: more Message: And... We were taught to answer to his wealth with 'last time Jesus came as a pauper this time as a King' well something along those lines... Perhaps we should have added, ' Last time Jesus came as Robert Redford, or Billy Dee Williams, this time he came as Tatoo from Fantasy Island?' G's mom who acknowledges she has no idea what Jesus looked like. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:33:16 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: G's mom Subject: Thanks for the morning smile Message: Perhaps we should have added, ' Last time Jesus came as Robert Redford, or Billy Dee Williams, this time he came as Tatoo from Fantasy Island?' Still laughing Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:09:58 (EDT)
From: Jeffrey Hunter Email: None To: G's mom Subject: Looking like Jesus Message: Last time Jesus came as Robert Redford, or Billy Dee Williams, this time he came as Tatoo from Fantasy Island? Actually, I think he looked a lot like me. Why else would they have chosen me for the movie? Y'know, 'King Of Kings'? I played Jesus. Remember? I always thought it was because I look just like him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 22:06:58 (EDT)
From: GI Email: None To: G's mom Subject: more Message: Dear G's mom, 'Perhaps we should have added, ' Last time Jesus came as Robert Redford, or Billy Dee Williams, this time he came as Tatoo from Fantasy Island?'' Actually, it says he will come as a child, from east to west. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 11:50:30 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: GI Subject: more Message: GI wrote: 'Actually, it says he will come as a child, from east to west.' Where does 'it' say this? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 02:51:47 (EDT)
From: Roger de plane Drek Email: None To: G's mom Subject: Soon to be ***Best*** (nt) Message: asdf Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 16:00:39 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: G's mom Subject: I laughed out loud... Message: ...and it's pretty hard to get me to do that, so thanks, G's Mom. You're a hoot. P.S. I definitely remember repeating the last time Jesus came as a pauper this time as a King line over and over. Usually when I was leafleting, because the first thing most people would say (IF they actually took the leaflet) was 'What about Maharaji's Rolls-Royces?'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:54:02 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: Rob: That's a fair observation (IMHO), but misunderstood. May I ask a question? Ok, here goes: How many 'overweight' people dance around in a mala and crown and EXPECT people to worship THAT physical form? Hmmm? I venture to say.....NONE? I can't speak for anyone else, but THAT's why I pick on his oh-so-deeeeeevine form. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:40:48 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: Rob I personally think we are obsessed with weight in our culture and we all need to accept different types of bodies. I am proud of looking like a 41 year old woman who has given birth etc. I also have a hubby who is not lean and mean but is built a lot like M. But he happens to be a beautiful person INSIDE who also looks beautiful to me on the OUTSIDE because of his ethics, values, spirit, and kindness. He walks what he talks, which is NOT what M does. I agree with Katie, that very few of us would go around making value judgments about people based upon their weight but we just can't resist calling M 'fat'. Maybe it is unkind but man, he deserves a whole lot worse in my opinion!!! He doesn't seem to be hurting any, he has want he wants--lots of bucks. And who are you to judge US as being un-politically correct, Mr. 'I'm married but I'll have a few lap dances anyway'? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:42:02 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: meant to say 'he has what he wants' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:14:52 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Helen Subject: Chewing the fat Message: The forum might be taken more seriously by premies etc. if there weren't so many 'fat'etc. insults thrown around. Also less swearing might help too. Just my opinion, Liz (The Prude.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:22:20 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Liz Subject: Chewing the fat Message: The forum might be taken more seriously by premies etc. if there weren't so many 'fat'etc. insults thrown around. Also less swearing might help too. Hmmm... Well, Liz, I'm willing to try this. I might have to take up beating my wife, tho.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:27:43 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Chewing the fat Message: Am I allowed to talk to you yet? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:48 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Using my noddle Message: Rob, Like I mentioned, I am able to think for myself these days although for me it has taken awhile to be able to do this. I think people were concerned about my 'fragility' preciously and they were right. Now I'm taking Prozac and it seems to be helping. Never thought it would come to this!... I still wake up in the morning thinking of Maharaji and it's like a monkey on my back. I just wish I could brush it off. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:01:10 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Monkey see, monkey do Message: Don't feel bad about taking Prozac, I've been there myself. Whatever gets you through the day. Good luck. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:02:53 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Monkey see, monkey do Message: That was a fast reply. We must be two little monkeys sitting down at the same time hooked on the net! Lizzy the Monkey! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:06:48 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Liz Subject: Monkey too! (nt) Message: (nt) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:14:18 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Liz Subject: Fat jokes (and swearing) Message: Hi Liz - You wrote: The forum might be taken more seriously by premies etc. if there weren't so many 'fat'etc. insults thrown around. Also less swearing might help too. I agree, but I think one has to consider that the main purpose of the forum is to provide a place where EX-premies can talk to each other, vent anger, share experiences, and so forth. Thus there is going to be a certain amount of foul language and, probably, 'fat jokes'. I hesitate to reveal this on the forum, but it's in the archives: I was once flamed repeatedly on the forum by someone (ID unknown) who kept calling me a 'fat bitch'. I am sure that this person knew that being called 'fat' was an extremely devastating insult to a woman OF ANY WEIGHT in our society. As it happens, I am not overweight for my height (the flamer had no idea what I looked like), but I have female relatives who would be considered to be overweight and who are still very attractive (men think so too!). So I AM sensitive to the 'fat jokes' about Maharaji on the forum - I know that, in our society, being 'fat' is like a huge character defect. My significant other, by the way, is similarly sensitive to 'skinny' jokes (believe it or not. I keep telling him he's lucky, but...) I do think, however, that what I said to Rob above was true: if we had been able to SAY openly that Maharaji was a person just like us who happened to be overweight, people wouldn't make 'fat jokes' about him. Take care, Liz. Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:33:59 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Helen Subject: the dancing in the lap thing Message: I've taken my wife along on several occasions, actually. Now there's a topic for a new thread, possibly! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:59:04 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: the dancing in the lap thing Message: I've taken my wife along on several occasions, actually. Now there's a topic for a new thread, possibly! > Oh! Can't wait! Why is it premies seem to demand center stage here, so frequently starting new threads and desiring to direct to flow of discussion? Could it be they have placed the gooroo at the heart of their lives and now, feeling empty inside, come here for some stimulation and attention? Rob (to chick he met at lap dancing bar) : Well. it looks like I've talked about myself for most the evening! Let's hear a little about you, sweetheart! Tell me, what do YOU think about me? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:37:48 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: gerry Subject: exit stage left Message: So start your own thread, gerry, I'm all ears. As for directing the flow of discussion, let's see what's on offer...hmmm, 'How to Meditate', by an ex, 'Preparing for Knowledge', by an ex...or would you prefer 'Toilets' & 'Brainwashing'? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:18 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Why don't you start a thread Message: ALL ABOUT SERVICEWhat service has done for you? I would like to know. We haven't been able to discuss anything for years. When MJ came to Toronto two years ago, three of the women in London went to MJ's hotel suite and scrubbed it down for a day. They cleaned every square inch except the ceiling. I asked one woman what it was like. She said, 'Well, to be honest, it felt like hard work.' 'Was it really high,' I asked? 'No.' Lynn Devine heard that this tidbid and was furious. Loose lips sink ships, don't you know. Of course there was no mystery to my service. Sit at the information table, hand out information sheets, smile and put the envelopes addressed to MJ into a brown paper shopping bag. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:05:04 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Letters to M Message: Gail: What happened to the letters to M? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:15:56 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Letters to M Message: Please explain. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:47:17 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Letters to M Message: You said when you did service in Toronto, one thing you did was put letters to MJ into a paper bag. I wondered what happened to the letters you put in the bag. Did someone pick them up? Who was it? How did people know there would be a place to leave letters for MJ? What happened to those letters. Such a thing never occurred in the olden days of the 70's --- or they just hid the receptacle from me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:19:10 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Letters to M Message: Sure it did, Marianne. Remember, we would buy MJ a card and put a little something in it to deposit on our way into Darshan. Maybe you took flowers, chocolates, silk ties, or pillows for his feet. MJ began to hate getting chocolates, and Joe Anctil requested that we not give chocolates. Apparently MJ took a chocolate out of each box to taste the love, and it was making him sick. (sort of like the berry or the bananna story) The people MJ sees in eastern cultures still bring him offerings to the darshan line. It's common practise to bring your guru a gift. I had to do it when I was indoctrinated into TM as well. To be honest, I don't know who picked up the shopping bag I was filling in Toronto, 1997. I left before the last dog was hung, en route to NYC for MJ's next program, so someone else passed the bag over to a PAM. There is a donation table set up at every video presentation which says, These presentations are available by your donations. Each program with MJ has a donations table too. All charge cards, cheques and cash are accepted. The shopping bag detail is for people who wish to send MJ a card with something inside. This type of correspondence is surrendered at the information table. I think the PAMs open these envelopes and set the 'gifts' aside. MJ doesn't have time to read his mail. This has always been common practise. When they collected the cash money from Londoners (ON) for MJ's first plane project, Claude B., who was our community director at that time, took it to Toronto. It was sent as cash. None of us saw it as a problem if the money didn't go through proper channels. After all, it was for MJ and his work. Why waste any of it on taxes? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 16:45:12 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Darshan line Message: Hi Gail. Ok, now I remember. I had something in hand to offer as a gift to M when I went through the darshan line. I remember. 'What can I give to Maharaj Ji (as he was then) that is special? I am a lowly ashram premie. What do I have that is special?' That's how people gave up family heirlooms. I remember feeling that my offering was so inadequate to the task at hand, and feeling that I could never be special to M unless I had something to offer that stood out from the rest. I so desperately wanted to be noticed. That was my internal stuff..., but it was subtly encouraged. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:42:43 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gail Subject: ALL ABOUT SERVICE Message: When MJ came to Toronto two years ago, three of the women in London went to MJ's hotel suite and scrubbed it down for a day. They cleaned every square inch except the ceiling. I asked one woman what it was like. She said, 'Well, to be honest, it felt like hard work.' 'Was it really high,' I asked? 'No.' But I bet the Hotel Housekeeper was blissed out! I've had similar experiences. In fact, a lot of times when I'm helping out at events you could stop me at any given moment and I would probably not be feeling 'high'. That's not always the point ('oh but we were always told it was...'). I'm hearing voices again. Anyway, I have certain skills and experience which I can contribute to the overall work effort needed to get the thing up and running. That's my objective - to help create the end result. My motivation is my desire to do that and my enjoyment comes when the doors open and (most) people are allowed to walk in and enjoy being with Maharaji, and he with them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:01:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Funny!! Message: But I bet the Hotel Housekeeper was blissed out! Rob, Heaven or hell, good or evil, there's always room for a good laugh. Thanks. But Rob, can we talk? I mean can we really talk? Call me right now, is what I'm thinking. I'm home -- (250) 360-1040 Are you up for it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:21:34 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: 411 Message: Jim Bit unorthodox, Jim. What's up? Have I offended you? B. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:24:51 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: No! Message: Don't be so paranoid. I just thought I had a few minutes before going out to see my friend's band play tonight. Why not? By the way, I won't tell anyone who you are, if that matters. In fact, you don't have to tell me. Whatever. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:26:33 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: half way Message: will you settle for email? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:39:20 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: no, here's why Message: 1) I'm running out of time. 2) I'd hate to dilute the discussion here. Talking, on the other hand, is such a different dynamic, it's worth it. Rob, I'm not trying to freak you out. It was a whim, that's all. Now I'm out of time anyway. But if you ever feel like it, I'd love to talk with you. Gotta go. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:43:28 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: enjoy your nite out (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:35:25 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: ALL ABOUT SERVICE Message: Don't you mean most of the people are allowed in to be brain-washed? Sorry,Couldn't resist, It's hard to accept something you had been doing for a very long time was a mistake. As you know we all make them Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:27:55 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: exit stage left Message: You don't think we know how to meditate, Rob? Does it seem that outlandish that we would give advice on how to practice this Knowledge? Most of us have only had it for our entire adult lives. The only difference between us and premies is we don't think the mastah has the final word on it. We live by our own experiences with it, not what The Perfect Body tells us its all about. As far as 'preparing for Knowledge' goes, what do you think of the aspirant program where you've got to be inundated for 6 months or so with video after video after video and aspirant programs that might require traveling across the country? Don't you think that's a bit much? I mean, I could show somebody these techniques in less than 15 minutes. They'd be better off if that's the way they learned them. Not any brainwashing involved. Talking about insensitivity, how do you think your wife feels watching you get a lap dance? Or are you and she the new and improved premie where kinky is in? Things have sure changed. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:42:07 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Jerry/Rob Subject: exit stage left Message: Thank you Jerry for your comments regarding Rob's wife watching him getting a lap dance. I was afraid to comment cause, well I don't want to be called Schoolmistress Helen again!. Rob--It sounds kinda odd to me. So your wife gets off on watching you get pleasured by another woman?? You sure she's really getting off or is she feeling rather diminished by the whole thing?....I dunno, it sounds like stuff I did when I was 18. Sorry Rob, you seem like a nice guy ...but this is ODD!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:56:41 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Barney Subject: Helen's question Message: Am I allowed to go there??? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:38:03 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Rob Subject: Helen's question Message: Hey Rob, on second thought It's none of my business what the 2 of you ( you and your wife) choose to do. Of course if you both agree on it, it has nothing to do with us and this forum, so just forget I mentioned it. As far as bantering back & forth, of course I agree with you, that's what the forum is for. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:52:57 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jerry Subject: exit stage left Message: See there you go again. Of course you know how to meditate, you wouldn't qualify as ex-premies if you didn't, you'd be never-premies or something. BTW jerry and Gerry are same man, yes? Bit confusing. I was just picking out a few thread subjects at random there, making apoint that it wasn't all premies who were starting new threads. Hey, start a new thread, start a new religion/meditation school/cult. 15 minutes? Why not a drive-thru? Who knows, maybe one day you, too, will have ex-jerry-students on the www. Talking about insensitivity, how do you think your wife feels watching you get a lap dance? Or are you and she the new and improved premie where kinky is in? Things have sure changed. I know exactly how she feels and I'd tell you, if I didn't think you needed both hands to type with. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 08:30:14 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: exit stage left Message: Jerry and Gerry are two different people. So you think 15 minutes is cutting it short, eh? I guess you're right. The person will probably have some questions so let's up it to an hour, 2 at the most. I can't think of any reason why it would take any longer than that unless I wanted that person to really understand how important I am to the process of understanding, that without my clarity to guide them they just wouldn't get it. And maybe I should really test their sincerity, their thirst before I reveal the techniques. I'll make them wait and wait and wait, and if it pleases me, I'll make them wait some more. And travel. I'll make them travel half way around the world, at their own expense, where maybe, just maybe, if I think they're ready and thirsty enough, I'll reveal Knowledge to them. What do you think, Rob? Do you think this is a better, more appropriate way? Should I make them grovel first? Sorry about the misunderstanding on why you pointed out all the threads started by exes. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 07:05:07 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Why clean the room if he's not Message: the Lord? Other speakers and preceptors roll into town, and I'll bet their handlers don't scrub the hotel room beforehand. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:03:03 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Gail Subject: Cleaning up for the Lard.... Message: Other speakers and preceptors roll into town, and I'll bet their handlers don't scrub the hotel room beforehand. Gail, you just reminded me what I had to do once prior to the arrival of the Big M to our city for an event. My partner at the time was the designated driver of his Lardship, and he and I had to pick up the car and then spent a whole day cleaning what was already a very clean car from the hire company. Talk about 'detailing'. We used every known chemical and cloth and vacuum cleaning device and chamois and window-cleaning stuff and chrome-make-it-shiny-stuff - you name it. I mean, I've lovingly looked after cars I've owned in my time, but never ever has a car had the kind of work-over that this one got. I mean, for crying out loud, it got to the point of using a toothbrush on the mudguards, and all the shit we had to put into the car so that he wouldn't go without. Water and tissues and this 'n' that. I guess it'd be too much to ever have to pull into a petrol station for anything the Lard required on the way from the airport. And do you think he would have cared at all or acknowledged what we did? Nope. But my partner did tell me that the hire companies are always impressed at how extra clean their cars come back from being leased to Elan Vital.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:12:28 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: TD Subject: Cleaning up for the Lard.... Message: Hire companies--I like that. Here we say rental companies. You're either a Brit or an Ozzie. As for the car clean up--WHY? We all know why. He is the Lord, but he's not telling anymore. It is of little consequence whether new people realize this or not. All they need to do is practice, keep in touch, and support the cause. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:10:47 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Mike Subject: And there was Divine Message: Well, I didn't see all the wonderful films with the late Divine, but must assume that at some point he must have danced half naked in a mala. Hell, he did everything else. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:30:52 (EDT)
From: rob Email: None To: Mike Subject: the dancing mala thing Message: Maybe that's why he stopped? Perhaps someone did finally have the nerve to say something, what do you think? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:51:53 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: rob Subject: the dancing mala thing Message: Rob: You may be right, but I don't think so. I think he stopped because the LOTU thing was getting in the way of his propagation efforts. The 70's folks were dropping like flies (austensibly due to the fact that they were 'getting nowhere' in their spiritual quest). The 80's generation didn't give much of a hoot about spirituality (a generality, but I think it's pretty accurate). So if he was going to attract those folks, he had to be a 'meditation teacher.' Seeing him dance around half-naked in a mala would have been a definite turn-off for those that didn't 'realize' that he is the lord-incarnate. To really illustrate what I mean about the differences between the 70's and 80's, look at the book offerings in everyday bookstores. Spiritual books were very much in vogue during the 70's; they were on the 'back shelves' in the 80's and didn't sell well. However, books on me-Me-ME sold like hotcakes in the 80's while they wouldn't have attracted a single eye in the 70's. Just an observation..... I've always been an avid reader, so I'm pretty well aware of what is selling and what isn't. :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:42:09 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: What's the matter, Rob, need to shed a few pounds? Try the ''Eat right for your Type' diet by Dr. D'Adamo at www.dadamo.com. You'll not only feel better and lose weight effortlessly but the scales may even fall from your eyes. (no pun intended) Really Rob, after all the time, effort, money and emotion people have invested in fatso and HAVING RECEIVED NOTHING BUT PAIN IN RETURN, can you really fault people for poking fun at his Lardness? If you can't, it shows how truly insensitive and unconscious you have become. You're quite capable of tossing about a few vituperations yourself now, aren't you Rob? And Rob, fuck political correctness. And quit your silly scolding. If you have anything germane to add to the conversation, please speak up. Otherwise go sqeeze your eyeballs or your nutsack, if you prefer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:09:58 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: all Subject: PS Message: Rob is beginning to remind of that other mensa genius, Melboring. Mel was really ''concerned'' about our legal exposure and now Rob is concerned our about our public image and political correctness. Well thanks for looking after us and setting us straight, guys. I appreciate your loving concern... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:40:30 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: gerry Subject: PS Message: and I love you too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:15:36 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Chewing the fat Message: ...can you really fault people for poking fun at his Lardness? Gerry, did you even read what I had written? Or is it a case of accelerating your fingers before your brain is in gear? I was not making a point about the why's and wherefore's of Maharaji being insulted. Go ahead, if it makes you feel better. I was making the point that I considered it a cruel indictment of all people with weight problems, that being fat should be seen as a bona fide insult regardless of your hatred for that person. It is something you expect to hear in the schoolyard, not in a forum of intelligent adults. Please, no more of that 'well it's his own fault for hurting us' rhetoric. Pathetic. That also belongs in the schoolyard. Grow up, man. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:31:52 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: Rob, As one of the overweight people whose sensitivities you are so concerned about protecting, may I just say that fat is a good insult for Maharaji. Cunt is also a good insult, although I am pretty sure he doesn't have one, and I for one love to have intimate contact with that part of the female anatomy. Now if there were racist insults on this forum, I would be the first on my soapbox. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:39:44 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: JHB Subject: Intimate contact...... Message: I'll sleep better knowing that, John. BTW You're right about the racist aspect, haven't seen any of those yet, although I haven't read everything yet. Wonder why that is? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:33:28 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Funny you should mention this Message: Rob, Interesting small point you're making. Reminds me of something that happened at a gig our band, the X-Flies, play last month. We do one song about Maharaji. It's called 'Bollywood' ('My guru came from Bollywood, And he won't go back, He's making all the videos, for the love attack...). Kind of a punk rock bossa nova. I introduced it by very briefly describing the cult I was in back in the seventies and referred to Maharaji as a 'fat little Indian fuck'. One girl there, lead singer from a popular band in town that we were going to do a show with, got really upset with my comment. Not the 'fat' part, nor the 'little', but rather the 'Indian'. So we all had a good talk about it. I had to admit that there is something a little close to the line in describing M this way. After all, there are other fat people, little people or Indians who aren't cult leaders but who, I'm sure, are perfectly wonderful people. I just can't tihnk of any right now. (Joke!) So what was I doing tarring the Lord of the Universe with such a broad brush? I ended up exonerating myself by the way. Here's how. I figured that Maharaji exploited his Indianness, the so-called 'long spiritual leg' of the east and all that rubbish. It was part of the trap and thus fair game. As for fat -- or little -- (or even greasy should you think of it), well I agree with what everyone's said here (except you, unfortunately). He tricked us into worshipping his form. We're now perfectly free to reconsider, no holds barred. Is that unfair to other fat people? Oh pulleeeze, Rob. Is that really the cause that got you out of bed this morning? I have to agree with Gerry. You keep up this Mr. Politeness Man trip and we'll mint a special action figure for you, to be placed right next to Mel Bourne's for reasons stated. Really, Rob, what other burning issues plague your troubled soul? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:00:45 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Funny you should mention this Message: Actually, I was thinking about you when I was unzipping my flies..sorry, files...meaning the archives. Jim! I'm impressed! You go waaaay back on the Forum, don't you. No wonder you're so good at this. Wonder what your total word count is, gotta be up there. Yes it was a small point, but one which seems to have become inflated as usual. He tricked us into worshipping his form I cannot for, the life of me, imagine anyone tricking you. No, no, there must be a better explanation than that, surely. Is that unfair to other fat people? Yes, actually. The basis of my argument in a nutshell. As for the 'special action figure', I'd be happy to sign a limited issue for you. Now I got to go search for 'Mel Bourne' - thanks! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:41:05 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Rob Subject: incredible,incredible,incredib Message: So, It's INCREDIBLE is it? Not so. You paint with to broad a brush. 'How truly insensitive we have become' oh I feel that typical 'lover' superiourity coming from another enlightened judgemental cult member. We are unconcious? YOU are ridiculous. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:43:17 (EDT)
From: Bobbie Sue Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: Well Mr Rob, At least we ain't lyin to the army. Army Will somebody tell me what this EV group is? Is the army lyin or the gooroo? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:38:47 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Bobbie Sue Subject: Rob Message: So you read the archives and THATS what struck you? Do you have comment about any of the other issues or is that the only one that you feel you can comment on. Did any of the core brainwashing issues strike you enough to perhaps challenge your moral tolerance? Do you see forum posters using fatness as a dig for other forum participants on a regular basis? Read Katies post again you thick headed numbskull ssheeesh Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:13 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: cp Subject: ibid Message: Do you have comment about any of the other issues or is that the only one that you feel you can comment on. Have you seen how many archived postings there are? It will take some time to get through. Sure, there are lots of things I'd like to comment on, but Gerry feels I'm hogging the threads, so I'm limiting myself for this one for now. Did any of the core brainwashing issues strike you enough to perhaps challenge your moral tolerance? Brainwashing again? Obviously this week's soap-box special. I disagree with the suggestion that brainwashing is involved. I do have personal experience of this when I was entrapped in Scientology, as I have mentioned before. I can honestly say that their (Scientology) process definately involves brainwashing. The basic 'course' you take, has you sitting staring at a wall for hours on end, without moving, blinking, speaking etc. That is followed by the same procedure staring at another person, in which neither of you are allowed to move. The third part of this particular jewel of a 'training course' is to repeat step 2 while your partner hurls insults, abuse, threats, profanities etc. Again you are not allowed to so much as twitch a muscle. Nice huh? Please, don't talk to me about brainwashing chum, I've been through it and survived. Do you see forum posters using fatness as a dig for other forum participants on a regular basis? Well that's because you can't insult someone's physique if you can't see it. Jeez, and you've got the cheek to call me a numbskull! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:10:20 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Rob Subject: Denial.... Message: Rob: 'I disagree with the suggestion that brainwashing is involved.'......... WELL, of course you do! If you thought you had been brainwashed, you would be on your way out. The same can be said for admitting that you are an alcoholic.....DENIAL! Why not 'investigate' whether you have been brainwashed? Why not check into it? Why not read some articles by EXPERTS in the field? Why not, for just a second, 'assume' that you just might be brainwashed and then look at what is being presented 'from that point of view?' Why not read the article (ALL of it) that Jean-Michel published a link to (up top)? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:10:25 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: I did mention to Happy when he sent me a University paper written by a couple of guys who infiltrated D.L.M for a few months that how could this paper be taken seriously when they referred to M as being fat. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:19:43 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Liz Subject: The divine 'display' Message: Liz and many others: I agree that his being somewhat rotund doesn't have a direct bearing on the subject at hand....EXCEPT for one thing: NO ONE and I do mean nobody else has ever EXPECTED me to worship the 'form' of the 'living lord' except M, of course. That makes his insipid little 'form' fair game, as far as I'm concerned. It has nothing to do with obesity as a disease or anything else.... it has to do with the expectation of 'worship.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:39:42 (EDT)
From: Maggie Email: None To: Rob Subject: Chewing the fat Message: But Rob, Fat Guru statues make good incense holders after the guru transforms himself and leaves the planet to that place with 'Golden Potties' in the sky. Look at Buddha incense holders. You can shove alot of incense sticks into that fat belly (just remember to buy the ones with at least 12 slots. I think it's a disciple take off thing ya know?) and you don't need to dump after each use. Maggie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:57:27 (EDT)
From: Cardinal Pecorino Email: None To: Maggie Subject: Heaven's Toilets Message: Sister Maggie, There are no Golden Potties in Heaven. You should know this from your catechism classes young lady. Heaven does have pearly gates, streets lined with gold, and golden thrones. Had you pursued advanced studies you would know there are two places with 'Golden Potties' reserved for Maharaji. They are located in Limbo and Purge-atory. Most likely Purge-atory. We are in the process of scheduling an ecumenical council in the late fall to determine how long Mr. Maharaji will be constipated in purge-atory prior to his admittance to Heaven. However, if his attorneys cannot provide us proof of his Baptism we plan on opening up Limbo again where he shall spend an eternity in his constipated state. We are merciful in that we will allow him to contemplate his situation on a 'Golden Potty'. PAX, Cardinal Pecorino Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:10:22 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Cardinal Pecorino Subject: But, Cardinal... Message: One of the accepted definitions of 'throne' is pottie. Therefore, golden thrones may be referring to golden potties. We need to look at the translations to determine if this is correct. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:03:51 (EDT)
From: Cardinal Virgilio Email: None To: Mike Subject: But, Cardinal... Message: Michael My Son, You're very own Arch Angel will attest to the fact that the thrones of heaven are just that, thrones. Please allow me to explain the specifics of the Golden Potties reserved for Maharaj Ji's eternal abode. The angel assigned to watch over the wayward mothers of this cult duly noted that many of them were resorting to using their toddlers training potties whilst at outdoor vestivals. When the council heard of such drastic actions by the mothers, Michael was sent to investigate. He too duly reported this as fact. Michael explained the port-o-lettes rented for these occasions were overflowing with muck. Thus mothers of toddlers took advantage of their good fortune of having remembered to throw little Leilas training potties in their automobile trunks prior to the 1200 mile drive to a festival. Cardinal Pecorino and myself were part of the committee that chose the design of Maharaj Ji's eternal pottie. It was quite a spirited debate as Cardinal Pecorino felt strongly that Maharaj Ji should have nothing more than a 'Golden Training Potty' . Cardinal Provolone pointed out that Maharaj Ji, while short of stature, was wide of girth, thus making a 'Golden Training Potty' unpractical. For the sake of the mothers Cardinal Pecorino started bellowing to the committee, 'Let him squat' and be done with this issue. Level headed thinking prevailed and it was decided that Maharaj Ji shall have a 'Golden Port-o-Lette' already filled with muck whether he ends up in purge-atory or limbo. Additionally, there will be fleet enemas slightly out of reach for him to grasp thus adding to the torture of his eternal constipation in a 'Golden Muck Filled Port-o-Lette'. Your brother, Virgilio Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:01:14 (EDT)
From: NoOne Email: None To: Everyone Subject: plugged toilet Message: REcently at a program in Miami Maharaji was probably pointing at this forum as as TOILET that is plugged up,and about to overflow. We are all standing around it praying that it does not completely run out on to the floor. To me this is correct , I mean this toilet over here has been stopped up for awhile now. And judging from much of the posts here by people who have so much of what is so very common now adays. And is so evadent through history ,especially with hate groups and kkk...etc...is ...HATE. HATE...ANGER...JEALOUSY are what is floating in this toilet. Some one anyone please get the PLUNGER! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:57:04 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: NoOne Subject: plugged toilet Message: You are not a no one! Years of being in MJ's fold makes people feel that way, but it just isn't so. HATE - I don't hate MJ. I just wish I hadn't believed he was the Lord of the Universe. This isn't a group such as the KKK. Those folks hate an identifiable group with no justification. I am furious off because I wasted my life on this lie. ANGER - I am angry at myself for being so stupid as to buy into this belief system. I always had a gut feeling that it wasn't true, but I didn't love myself enough to trust my own judgment. JEALOUSY - I don't mind what others have. In MJ's case, I would just like to have the money and years I wasted. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 13:28:41 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: NoOne Subject: talking about toilets Message: I prefer to have an honestly earned simple toilet than a dishonestly earned gold toilet. Mr. Rawat is nothing but a crook, and his days as a rich, fat fraud will hopefully soon be numbered. He really has a nerve to talk about toilets! It seems he has been lurking over here... Come on, fat freak, lurk more... hope you're getting scared. You'll go the same way as Rajneesh. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 13:43:53 (EDT)
From: NoOne Email: None To: Happy Subject: talking toilets Message: You sound like the lion in the wizard of OZ. 'come on put up your dukes' 'Come on put them up'. 'fight like a man' 'Come On putem Up' Go say it to His face coward. Go look him in the eyes and say it. Internet little face slapper. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:11:09 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: NoOne Subject: talking toilets Message: If M would come out of his heavily guarded closet, I would! You seem to think that we are somehow afraid of that fraud... WRONG! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:44:26 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Katie and Brian Subject: threatening on the internet Message: Mr. Rawat is nothing but a crook, and his days as a rich, fat fraud will hopefully soon be numbered. You'll go the same way as Rajneesh. ----------------------------- Dispite what you think about Maharaji or Mr. Rawat . He is a Human being just as I am. He deserves the same respect as anyone on this forum. Now if he is greater then a human then it is by your own thoughts alone that make him that way. Now since He is a person and the forum rules say no threatening others then you are breaking the rules here. Katie this person has threatened another person on the internet. Just because Maharaji does not rebute what you people say about him or stand up for himself to you all does not mean people like Happy or Dreck or others should openly threaten his days being numbered. Or Ending like some poor fellow in the past. This is what is meant as no IQ . Filth spewed from minds that do not care about anyone but their shock jock junk. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:59:24 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: No One Subject: doesn't meet the bar Message: Sorry No One, but this one don't meet the bar. In the entire context it is a cliche that is easily recognizable by the astute reader. P.S. I ain't no Alexander Haig, but I'm in charge now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:47:55 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: barney Subject: doesn't meet the bar Message: So now its truly understood. That a person that lets people impersonate Maharaji and His wife a couple of weeks ago on this forum is You. Then If you are incharge, then this truly is a low IQ forum ,for people that have know true context in their life. If you are such an astute reader then you really need to find out what is truly being said, by most of the people on this forum. To me so far, Katie and Gail are the only ones ,here that truly want to Heal, themselves. Most of you are now to hardheaded to want love in your life. You just want to Make Maharaji into some supernatural being that needs constant bringing down to your level. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:06:48 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: No One Subject: doesn't meet the bar Message: No, I wasn't in charge during the Maharaji/Marolyn posts. Wish I was then I could add that to my resume. Come on, No One, you don't recognize obvious parody? Ok, I've got some grand designs and they'll probably include you. You're 110% correct. The Forum has droppped down and is now a lower IQ Forum. I really want to get rid of all these know-it-alls, mental mensas, etc. and all their blathering about nuthin'. Man, I gotta read through all that crap and make spelling and grammar corrections. I even have to make it factual because most of these geniuses don't know what they're talking about. Hell, did you know that the Earth was the center of the Universe? And I want to keep only good people like you, me, Polly Wolly, Tami Rainbow. And then you know what will happen? Exactly! Maharaji, himself, will feel free to join the Forum. Or at least he'll appreciate the work I've done and he'll lay a new Mercedes on me. Ya can't beat that! What do you say? Are you fer or agin me? Maybe I can get Maharaji to give you a BMW or something. Yeah, you're right I ain't no Katie or Gail. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:45:44 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: No One Subject: Barney is the WebMaster Message: Hi NoOne - Barney took over as WebMaster of this forum on June 1. Brian and I were (respectively) WebMaster and assistant webmaster before that. We let the Maharaji and Marolyn posts stand because they were obvious parody, AND because Maharaji and/or Marolyn have never identifiably posted here (and thus reserved their names for future posting.) You wrote: To me so far, Katie and Gail are the only ones ,here that truly want to Heal, themselves. Most of you are now to hardheaded to want love in your life. You just want to Make Maharaji into some supernatural being that needs constant bringing down to your level. Thanks for your kind words about me and Gail, but the truth is that we were both once very angry at Maharaji too (I am speaking for Gail here, so she can feel free to correct me). I don't think most of the people here are 'too hardheaded to want love' in their lives. It's just that sometimes you have to get angry first. So I wish you would give the other people (INCLUDING Barney) on the forum a break. As far as 'making Maharaji a supernatural being', I think many of the people who post here once truly believed that Maharaji WAS a supernatural being - we believed that he was God OR the human incarnation of God (I know that I believed this, or at least I tried to). I was fortunate enough to have begun following Maharaji at a time in my life when having some sense of order and discipline was very helpful to me, and I believe I also was fortunate enough to STOP following Maharaji at the time when following him was holding me back. (It took me a while to realize this but I finally did.) I may be naive, but I really do believe that almost all the 'ex-premies' who post here are trying to heal themselves. I also believe that 'knowledge' is NOT the path for everyone (I have experienced that myself). Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:50:13 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie and Gail Message: I think it truly discusting that people who followed Maharaji blindly verbaly conveyed to others that Maharaji is or was the incarnation of God. I personaly know of one person that two years ago told an aspirent that , and it set that person back at least one whole year to get over what that person said,so stupidly. In all the years I have listened and watched Maharaji . He never said he was God. It was we idiots , with our big mouths and impulsive seeking minds that did. I have been upset with Him once and awhile myself. But I got over it. I wonse built a car for him. Tuck and rolled it all inside. Then had it painted for him really cherry. If you know what I mean. Maharaji took a BLOW TORCH to it and cut it to bits. Then put it in a store house. This blew me completely out for awhile. I did some heavy looking inside. Did a lot of off roading.Did a lot of hill climbing. Did a lot of putting on my 57 KNUCKLE HEAD at 4 am in the mornings. But Most of all I did alot of hours of the four things most of you forgot to do or just do not do. I have other gut renching stories too but they are to personal for this forum. A present is a present. The person you give it to can do anything he or she wants to do with it! Just like a kid ! Do you think Maharaji gave me a big explanation on why he cut it up? Do you think i should have gotten one? Or do you think I expected a reward for the car? STOPPING PRACTICING.... AND BEING PISSED AT MAHARAJI ARE TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS! The gift of knowledge was given to you. What you do with it is up to you. Its the ointment that helps heal the wounds . Maharaji is a rough player. Always has been! People get cut, so does he! But why stop practicing knowledge? Did it not make you feel good once a long time ago or maybe recently? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 01:53:57 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: No One Subject: interesting story Message: Hey No One, Sorry if I jumped on you. But, that was a good story. What year was that? What kind of car? How did you hear that he chopped it? Where is the car now? Wow, that's a lot to go through. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 01:58:02 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: barney Subject: Location of car Message: Malibu. And Miami! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:52:07 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: barney Subject: interesting story Message: Big deal, Your not getting the point,to the story of the Austin Mini-Cooper that was cut up to be something else,in mind. It was the year My teacher moved from Pasadena to Malibu. Now Where it is being stored is of Know meaning to me . You do not understand what I am talking about here. Thats because you do not practice knowledge anymore. Your dislike of Maharaji has stopped you from doing what you really want to. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:54:51 (EDT)
From: No one Email: None To: No One Subject: interesting story Message: Amendment to the above . Pacific Palasades to Malibu Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 10:02:01 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: No one Subject: interesting story Message: It's kinda sad that you have to practice knowledge in order to understand the weird meglomaniacal behavior of your guru. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:49:39 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: No one Subject: interesting story Message: That's the trouble with practicing Knowledge. Maharaji can do anything to you and it's O.K. Brainwashed and brain dead. I like the kind of meditation that makes you feel alive and rational and if someone cut up a car you would probably be pissed off at him, not going around for months afterwards beating your self up. Although that's what M doesn't care if you do. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:19:28 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Liz Subject: Liz who are you following now Message: Liz, I see you do not have the ability to read between the lines. Or read whats there word for word. Or you would not have come back with such a shallow reply. Liz I do not want to fight but heal also. So have a nice day. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:15:05 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: No One Subject: interesting story Message: Ah, the Austin Mini-Cooper is legend! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:59:38 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: No One Subject: interesting story - humility Message: I understand exactly what you are saying. You made that car as labour of love. You wanted it to be the best it could be. You gave it to MJ with all the love that a five-year-old musters as (s)he presents flowers to mother on mother's day. You wanted MJ to take hold of you and never let you go. You wanted to feel loved and appreciated by him. Maybe, you even expected it (a little?. Instead he dismantled your labour of love. He was teaching you humility and detachment. He did not love you more because of your labour of love. He would not have loved you less if you had not bothered to make that effort. You were angry, but where could you go? MJ offered the ultimate experience. Without him, the experience was not possible. Somehow, you were just not surrendered enough to accept his actions without prejudice. You were at fault. With fresh determination and great humility, you faced the dragons within again. MJ was merely a mirror image of yourself. Just as MJ had dismantled your gift to him, you were constantly dismantling his gift to you. The hurt and shame you felt were just your ego. There is no room for ego in the heart of a devotee when it comes to MJ (it had a nasty way of surfacing with everyone else in the world). You probably prayed. I know I have. My prayers went something like this. Oh Maharaji, please help me to surrender to you. Please make me the best devotee I can be. Please don't leave me here. Without you I am lost. Please take me with you. I need you. Please make this real. I love you, and so on. Believe me, I understand the whole grovelling process. Where did it take me? All these years later, I am no wiser. I still have no answers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 00:06:58 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Gail Subject: interesting story - humility Message: I don't have any answers either. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 00:10:26 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Gail Subject: interesting story - humility Message: That was very good reply Gail. That took a lot of thought. You read well. Tell me Gail, why did you stop practicing knowledge? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 19:58:53 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: No One Subject: interesting story - humility Message: Dear No One: You are one of the kindest, most sincere people who post here, and you deserve the most honest answer I can give you. I really want to think about this one. I am ready to write my journey entry. When I finish it, you'll know why I stopped. It's really nice talking to you. :) Gail Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:44:01 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: No One Subject: He never said he was God? Message: 'You look at Christ, for instance. And he came and was Perfect Master. According to the belief, he had enough power that after he was crucified, he came back. So, you think twice about this and you figure, if somebody has got a power -- and it was incredible as to be able to to be crucified and them come back again -- you can definitely figure out that he must ahve the power to sort of take the whole Earth and jiggle it once in a plastic bag. Give it a little twist, all us teensy-weensy things go falling into this palstic bag. He opens it up and says, 'Listen, you thing in there. Realize the purpose of your life, aim of your life. This is it. Period.' How 'bout this exchange in 1971: Q - To whom should we give our devotion? A - Guru. Q - Shouldn't we give our devotion to God? A - What is God? Q - Well, Guru is a personification of God in this Earth, right? A - I told you yesterday: Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? **** When God has come here, then what is the need to give devotion to God there? [from nov 9 75] -- The Lord Himself reincarnates, reincarnates, reincarnates Himself for the very purpose of saving us. And we do not even realize who gave us the authority to refuse Him! Who are we anyway? From which field do we come that we can reject, that we can refuse, that we can deny our Lord? This is something that I cannot answer. And we do it every time!. Because we have got a stupid ego. ..... We just don't know that we are His puppets. ***[a lot of stuff about how he could suck all the atmosphere away, etc.] So when Lord comes to us, accept Him. And Lord is here. He has always been here. How can we make a statment, 'The Lord is gone', and then turn aroudn and say, 'Lord is omnipresent'? We are contradicting ourselves. He has always been here. He has always been saving us, but it's us who pull out of His shelter. What is it? Something for people to understand: that there is a personality like God. Adn without him we are just pieces of junk, nothing else. And it's like, somebody has to really look up to it, you know. It's like, God is THERE, all the time. But for a person to see Him and underwstand Him, anyway he ahs to look UP to Him. But it's like, God is giving us all these indications of His presence. You know? If he does... Look. The thing is, if somebody goes and does soemthing good, he will go and goof around all Arizona probably, saying ' I have done something good.' But if he does something bad, and he blows it [ed. like predicting the dawning of the millenium], you know, it means he just really blew it. Then he is going to blame it on somebody else; not on himself. So if God does something good for people, people will never understand it. People don't! 'Why do we have this human body? To know this, we will have to take the shelter of Guru Maharja Ji. Guru Maharj Ji knows all. Guru Maharaji is Brahma (creator). Guru Maharaji is Vishnu (Operator). Guru Maharjai is Shiva (Destoryer of illusion and ego). And above all, Guru Mahraji is the Supremest Lord in person before us.' Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? Guru Maharj Ji knows all. Guru Maharaji is Brahma (creator). Guru Maharaji is Vishnu (Operator). Guru Maharjai is Shiva (Destoryer of illusion and ego). And above all, Guru Mahraji is the Supremest Lord in person before us. I have come so powerful. I have come for the world. Whenever the great come,the worldly oppose them. Again I have come and you are not listening. Every ear should hear that the saviour of humanity has come. There should be no chance for anyone to say that they haven't heard of Guru Maharaj Ji. Those who have come to me are already saved. Now its your duty to save others. Shout it on the streets. Why be shy? When human beings forget the religion of humanity, the Supreme Lord incarnates. He takes a body and comes on this earth ...... When human beings forget this one way, then our Lord, who is the Lord of the whole universe, comes in human body to give us practical Knowlege, .... But, most ironically, we don't appreciate the Lord when He comes in His human body on this earth. Similarly, a Satguru, a Perfect Master, a Supreme Lord who is existing in the present time, can give you the practical Knowledge of the real thing... So God Himself comes to give practical Knowledge of His divinity, of His inner self, which is self-effulgent light, eternal light, all-pervading light. **** And the Supreme Master, the Satguru, gives practical Knowledge of that light, irrespective of caste, creed, color, religion or sex, to those human individuals who bow before him with reverence, with love and with faith. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:14:02 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Jim Subject: He never said he was God? Message: Well then Jim boy . I am definitly man enough to say I was incorrect. So Now are you going to rub my nose in it. I never new he said that . I was wondering why I was so attracted to him. Jee Wiz. I didn't know any of this stuff. I just liked him cause he gave me knowledge of the self. And I took it and am still using it. Dispite all the crap. I like practicing. This does not have anything to do with following Maharaji. Why did you stop practicing... Jim? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 19:57:50 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: No One Subject: Major points for No One!!!!!!! Message: Well then Jim boy . I am definitly man enough to say I was incorrect. Seriously. No One, before we go any further, I should let you know that many premies, believe it or not, will read these quotes or any of the other countless examples of Maharaji's claim to divinty and flatly deny they mean as much. If you don't believe check out the archives. So, you deserve some credit here. Honestly. So Now are you going to rub my nose in it. |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:49:49 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: No One Subject: M told us he was divine Message: No one: There are ample DIRECT quotes that make this issue moot. You guys just can't quit using the blinders, can you? I find it DISGUSTING (this is the correct spelling, by the way) that premies lie to themselves as much as they do. Then, to top it off, they expect ME to believe the very lies they are telling themselves. If you say that M didn't say these things and didn't PROMOTE himself as the lord-incarnate, then you are a LIAR, no one! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 16:41:35 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: No One Subject: Katie and Gail Message: Hi NoOne - Sorry it took me so long to answer your post. Actually, I got kind of upset when I was reading it, and I wanted to give you a good reply. In her very thoughtful and considered reply, Gail said a lot of things that I would have said, so I'll just add some of my own thoughts. You wrote: A present is a present. The person you give it to can do anything he or she wants to do with it! Just like a kid ! Do you think Maharaji gave me a big explanation on why he cut it up? Do you think i should have gotten one? Well, this is true - a present belongs to the recipient. My feeling on the subject, though, is if you give someone something that you spent a lot of time on, and they trash it, then you don't give them anything else like that. (I've had this experience, actually, although not with Maharaji.) And yes, I DO think Maharaji owed you an explanation or apology for why he cut the car you gave him up. You're a human being who should be treated with respect. It sounds like you believe that Maharaji is somehow above treating other people with respect and consideration, and that he's 'teaching' people by treating them badly. I used to believe that too, but I don't any more. You also wrote: STOPPING PRACTICING.... AND BEING PISSED AT MAHARAJI ARE TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS! The gift of knowledge was given to you. What you do with it is up to you. Its the ointment that helps heal the wounds . Maharaji is a rough player. Always has been! People get cut, so does he! But why stop practicing knowledge? Did it not make you feel good once a long time ago or maybe recently? Truthfully, I was NOT angry at Maharaji after I stopped following him. I didn't have a BAD experience as a premie - I just had NO experience (although I did practice the techniques of Knowledge, plus did service and attended satsang diligently.) The only thing I ever held against M was the story about one's mind turning into rotten vegetables if you didn't practice the techniques. This kept me around for a while when I really wanted to leave. But I do get angry at him sometimes NOW (for example, when I read your story about the car.) You wrote Maharaji is a rough player. In my opinion LIFE is a rough player. I don't think people need negative experiences that are deliberately imposed on them by another person in order to 'teach' them. I have seen several people do this to their children - set them up in order to fail, tell them to do something that hurts them, or subject them to physical or verbal abuse. These people justify this by saying it helps the children to 'learn'. I grew up with this kind of parenting, and in my experience, it doesn't help kids 'learn' anything except NOT to have confidence in themselves and NOT to respect themselves, and NOT to get close to anyone else. People come up against enough bad experiences in life without having to have 'lessons' taught to them. Anyway, like Helen said, the above is my opinion, and you can take it as that. I AM really sorry that the experience with the car happened to you - I can see how it would be devastating, and I'm glad you were able to come to terms with it in whatever way. You sound like a good and honest person, and I think your posts are thoughtful and well-considered (even if we don't agree on some things!) Take care - Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 19:07:55 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie and Gail Message: Katie, I do like the way you read and respond. It is clear you try to understand with wisdom not testasteroin. I have to go now but I am crazy sometimes like most of we idiot men are! Its hard to find a male that does not think with their dicks. I like talking to people who look inside for their answers or questions. This is our trait and hopfully will out weight the evil. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:10:25 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: No One Subject: what about me? Message: To me so far, Katie and Gail are the only ones ,here that truly want to Heal, themselves. Most of you are now to hardheaded to want love in your life. I want to heal too! Make that Heal. Gimme, gimme! I want it. You got it? I want it. Heal baby! Heal!Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:25:27 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: what about me? Message: Barney's in charge. So that means heel, not heal!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:57:11 (EDT)
From: No One Email: None To: Jim Subject: what about me? Message: Jim your to thick. Go interview an ex-instructor or something? Maybe they can inflate your ego a little more. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:33:52 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: No One Subject: M is a rough player Message: Noone--so you think M is a rough player to make us go inside and meditate? Okay, so those are his rules. But we ex-premies don't play by his rules anymore. We don't have to place ourselves in devastating situations to be 'reminded' to go within for our 'healing balm' of knowledge. Do you see how this sets up the dynamic of knowledge being the ONLY real way to get healed? Do you see how this dynamic has conditioned you? What M did to that car was cruel by any objective standard. You can say he is being cruel to be kind, because ultimately the incident made you go within where your 'true happiness' is. But what about premies who just went insane when M behaved this way to them? What about them? It (your car incident) is exactly the kind of thing that caused all of us to question his love for us. In slow drips we all said to hell with this kind of 'love'. A lot of us believe Love is shown by behavior, and loving action. Love should make a person strong, not weak. And yes, repeatedly behaving cruelly to condition them to 'go within' makes that person weak. What makes a person strong is to stand up to cruelty. TO me THAT is healing. No one, everything I am saying to you is MY OPINION. You can disagree, that is your right of course!! No one here is saying that you have to agree with them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:52:35 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Helen Subject: M is a rough player Message: Beautifully said, Helen. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:26:07 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: The Boot To: Jim Subject: what about me? Message: Look above you Jimbo.My GOD!!! It's a giant HEEL,mine.You insect. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:24:03 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Barney, this is what I mean Message: Catweasel offered the brilliant fake threat: Look above you Jimbo.My GOD!!! It's a giant HEEL,mine.You insect. Can someone tell me why this guy's still allowed here? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:08:30 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Jim Subject: Barney, this is what I mean Message: Well, reading the weasel's farewell post above we can only hope and pray to the Gods that he is sincere and is truly leaving. If not then we move to Plan 5. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:42:37 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Jim Subject: Barney, this is what I mean Message: Come ON,boys; You have got to be KIDDING!!!!!How paranoid are you Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:52:47 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: No One Subject: threatening on the internet Message: Hey No One! First, my name is spelled Drek not Dreck! Second, I never threatened Maharaji. I just said that I think he's a turd. Nothing wrong with voicing one's opinion. Besides, Maharaji and I share the same fate - we will both die. I just pray to the Gods that I out live him so I can have the last laugh and watch the turmoil of succession. He deserves the same respect as anyone on this forum. Now if he is greater then a human then it is by your own thoughts alone that make him that way. What a load of crap in my toilet that you've just left. Basically, you're hanging out at the anti-Maharaji website and you're annoyed because we don't respect him? Huh? Which planet did you beam down from? And HE is the one who facilitated the belief that he was divine. Sure, he's trying to slip out of that one by claiming that he didn't want to be a leader and that it was the fault of premies. BULLSHIT! TOTAL AND PURE BULLSHIT IN MY TOILET. You don't dance around in a Krishna suit and a crown and say all sorts of stuff via third person and have people kiss your feet and demand that people sing some long-ass dirge twice a day that clearly proclaims him as Lord. Come on, be real. You're in a dream world if you can't see that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:36:34 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: M's forum ads Message: Roger: Don't you think it is slightly humorous that M. is talking about the Forum at important events now? That's the best publicity the site could get. Aren't you curious to know if he mentioned your site too, especially the photos? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 15:19:05 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: WELL SAID, Roger! Message: and I quote, 'You don't dance around in a Krishna suit and a crown and say all sorts of stuff via third person and have people kiss your feet and demand that people sing some long-ass dirge twice a day that clearly proclaims him as Lord.' Nail on the head! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 13:37:46 (EDT)
From: NoOne Email: None To: Gail Subject: plugged toilet Message: Gail, Out of all the signatures in this forum , who need each other's written uplifting posts. Can't you do anything for a long time and not expect any outcome? On this physical plain? This post is to you only Gail. I will not respond to anyone else about this. No matter how much BS I am given. If you want a physical outcome then thats where careers etc. come into being. Thats what banks are for,to put that outcome into. Listen. Those people who have devoated their life to helping. Are not the kind of people who get along well in this world of man. They only want to help. You realized you were different. You like the world of society. Your still alive ,to do anything you want. Heal yourself, with your own ointment. But what about the life that is letting you HEAL. Can't you do something that you want to? Doing something I want to and not expecting a return has been my greatest advisery. But to me..practicing knowledge works. I let the other stuff go. Bickering is a drain ,to me. Go out and make that money while your alive. Love yourself and let that shine through you.Without caring who believes you or not. Make this next year count for you. Don't waste it on this forum. This is another GANG, and GANGS are there to reinforce each other. No matter who does the dirty work. The signature of yours,is unlike anyone elses. Don't be a Gang member. Be yourself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:54:22 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: NoOne Subject: jeeze, n one Message: Why are seeing things like that? You make it sound like the choice in life is only two limited things. Chase the dollar. or spend time doing 15 min techniques. Are you sure you aren't overlooking what billions of people are doing with thier lives? Widen that focus. Show me you can. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:04:39 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: NoOne Subject: Maharaji's a big turd! Message: Yeah, this toilet is stopped up alright! Stopped up with a big one that Maharaji left in it that he didn't have the decency to own up to and flush. You bet you're all praying this toilet doesn't overflow because the stench points to Maharaji. LIES...PARANOIA...MONEY GRUBBING! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:36:11 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Did he really say that? Message: No one, Did M really talk about the forum here? Could you -- or anyone else -- please tell us exactly what he said? Thanks, Jim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:50:41 (EDT)
From: Marshall Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Maharaji's Plumbing Fetish Message: This subject regarding Maharaji's golden plumbing has bothered me for a long time. I've often thought about the personality defects of an individual who would long for and own a 'gold toilet' I wonder, is there much demand for gold toilets? Must they be custom made or can you purchase one somewhere? Is there a catalog or something? Who else has owned them? Michael Jackson? Liberace? Maybe Imelda Marcos? Donald Trump? Would a golden toilet just be gold plated? Solid gold? Is it 24 carat? How about a platinum toilet? Titanium? How much does a gold toilet cost anyway? $20,000? $100,000? Does any one have any details about Maharaji's plumbing fetish? Isn't it true that all his plumbing fixtures are gold, not just the toilets? I heard all plumbing is gold, even in airplanes, and mobile homes, etc. I wonder what other ridiculous extravagances he has had installed at premies expense. What a tacky, classless, gaudy, offensive thing to do. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:58:45 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Marshall Subject: goldenboy Message: Well, I can vouch for his having gold plateing on just about all available surfaces in the 707. And I know his house had it. There was a plateing shop at deca and the guy was doing that work nonstop. The pipes themselves are not Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:21:37 (EDT)
From: UNO Email: None To: NoOne Subject: It's all yours, Maharaji Message: Yes, and the toilet IS going to overflow, Maharaji, all over your nice clean lotus feet. Hey little fella, some big guy is gonna pick you up and push you head-first into this little toilet of your own making. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:32:47 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: UNO Subject: It's all yours, Maharaji Message: YEAH! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:04:28 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: NoOne Subject: plugged toilet Message: Dear NoOne - I disagree with your analogy of the forum as a 'plugged toilet' and as a 'hate group'. I do not hate Maharaji, and I am certainly not jealous of him (I would NOT like to be him, to tell you the truth). I do sometimes still feel some anger when I read a particularly outrageous story about how some of the people who post here were treated when they were members of Maharaji's organization, but I think this is justifiable. What I object to in your post, and what I've objected to in many premie posts, is the characterization of the ex-premie site and forum as a place where people just increase their anger and hatred and never get better. This is simply not true. I've been reading and posting on the forum for a year and a half (mostly because I had some official duties here), and I have seen many people come and go. The forum is a SUPPORT GROUP, among other things. It's a place where people who did not find what they wanted from following Maharaji can talk about it with other people who feel the same way. The forum and site are also A PLACE OF HEALING. It irks me that people such as yourself would feel that people should be able to just 'heal' without having any support - or that people should just 'get over it' without any help. There are a lot of ex-premies on here who have strong feelings of anger, shame, fear, and guilt resulting from their involvement with Maharaji - do you think that there should be no place for them to talk about these feelings? To use your metaphor, I think that THAT would really 'plug the toilet'. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:09:27 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Katie Subject: Amen sister Message: Katie: 'It irks me that people such as yourself would feel that people should be able to just 'heal' without having any support - or that people should just 'get over it' without any help.' I couldn't agree with your sentiments more. That 'expectation' by premies is just another example of THEIR collective insensitivity. Why do they come here and try to derail the healing process? Maybe because they are a bunch of sadists??? THERE, now I've laid an unfounded accusation at THEIR door, for a change......hate-group, my arse! :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:11:11 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Katie Subject: M said we're a hate group Message: and that's why premies keep repeating it. This has been conveyed by instructors, and quite a few premies I personnaly know have repeated the same thing. Their source is EV's explanation and rationalization. You could say hundreds of intelligent or stupid different things about this Forum, but it's very existence is a BIG problem for premies. It incarnates the absolute failure of decades of work to avoid it. They HAD TO find some justification and rationalization compatible with their belief system (seee Larkin & Foss article!) Not speaking of people like me and other ex-premies who've been dedicated and practised for decades! And they can't admit that the REAL process involved here is healing/therapy, like when you leave a cult, because they think they ARE NOT a cult. How could you have a problem leaving a cult when this is NOT a cult. There has to be some reason though. And that reason is 'mind' obviously. And hate is a mere manifestation of mind, hell, cause we've stopped practising, and this is what's going to happen to every premie who's going to break it's links with m & k! He is spreading fear amongst the premies, that's all. He is the one who's no real love and compassion. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 21:01:22 (EDT)
From: Nil Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: M said we're a hate group Message: This has been conveyed by instructors, and quite a few premies I personnaly know have repeated the same thing. Their source is EV's explanation and rationalization. You claim 'M said we're a hate group'. Do you know this for a fact? Did you hear it yourself? THEN WHY THE FUCK MAKE SUCH A CLAIM!!! Or do you believe anything you hear that coincides with your belief system? Really, this is a prime example of how you guys create your little story. You're pathetic! Besides, you ARE a hate group. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:46:11 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: NoOne Subject: guess who did the shitting? Message: All the 'crap' here is the true story of prem rawat and his real history. He is always trying to blame others for his deeds and words and effects. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 15:42:13 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: KB Subject: test - ignore Message: adsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasd Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 15:43:17 (EDT)
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