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Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:19:09 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Jim Subject: responses to Sandra Message: 2 quick responses to you cutie-Jim before I go out and enjoy the gorgeous evening. The quote you were dissing was Mark's, not mine, though I enjoyed it. As to Gail's ranting in public, I wasn't referring to an event. I was talking about here, which is quite public in case you haven't noticed. I seem to recall her leading a mocking, public (here), theoretical discussion of the man's garden-hose of love right before the satellite thingy...ring a bell? As to Satpal, I didn't like him much when he was Bal Bhagwan Ji and now he looks like something out of the Simpsons, to be blunt. Even you, Jim, might concede the younger brother has just a wee bit more wattage. Always did. Now I'm off...anyone I haven't responded to yet? I will when I get a chance. Enjoy your weekend, all. Sandra Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:26:06 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Oh well... don't worry Message: Hi Sandra, The Army is sending me a packet concerning the Church of Elan Vital (a tax exempt organization of which M is the token 'Pastor of Lost Sheep'). So don't worry about telling the truth. Have a great weekend, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:26:38 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: responses to Sandra Message: Sandra, My oh my. Gail's vindicated again. And to think I doubted her for a second. (Actually, I still do. For all I know, she did throw a fit in London and you, Sandra, just don't know about it. So there!) Okay, so you're saying Gail should be barred from the program because of her caustic remarks here? Well, Sandra, is there anyone of us you'd exempt from that exemption? Are you really saying that her or anyone's participation here justifies the cult locking its so-called public doors to them? Yeah, I guess you are. As for Satpal, I don't know. I watch him talk in Hindi a bit. It sure makes me think of the purpose of life. Not you? face it, girl, they're both ugly as sin. It's like looking into a pig sty and trying to find the most handsome. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:36:54 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Jim Subject: responses to Sandra Message: Last one!! No Jim, I didn't say anyone should be barred from anything, I was just saying why it's easily understandable that she was. You get the difference dear, I know you do. As to insulting M's appearance, I'm not taking the bait. I love him and if you can transpose this to anyone you care a great deal about, you wouldn't want their looks insulted either, now would you? Don't push me on this if you want to continue conversing. Now go have a Saturday night, will ya? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:46:20 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Thanks Sandra Message: You're the passive-aggressive type of donkey's-ass-premie we're used to around here. Who gives a shit about conversing with you? Are you kidding ? Hahahahahahahaha Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:05:50 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Thanks Sandra Message: Hey P-man, at least confine your hillbilly insults to the guys, man! Be a gentleman, now and go easy on the ladies, there's a good chap. ps I'm collecting all your 'better ones' to use on my ex-wife next time she calls asking for more money, hope you don't mind. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:20:47 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Don't call him P-man Message: Rob, That's degrading and uncalled for. How would you like it if I called Maharaji a fat, greasy hamster? You wouldn't, would you? See? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:03:11 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Don't call him P-man Message: Bull-shit Jim. The day I hear Maharaji call ex-premies donkey's ass's, or any of the other obscenities this man has come out with, you can go ahead and call him a fat, greasy hampster - with knobs on. Unless it's an American expression which I'm unfamiliar with, P-man was just an abbreviation of Powerman, in my mind. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:10:30 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob!! Message: I was just kidding. I called him p-man myself down below. It means nothing. I am so sorry. I hope you're okay. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:24:31 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Ya bastard! Message: Jim you had me all nervous there, now Barneys going round like mata de hadash (sp)- the 'new broom'. We did have a good scrap the other night, though! No its true, it could have been an American thing. You should have seen the faces in the restaurant once (when first over here) when I asked if anyone objected to me smoking a fag! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:38:03 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Rob Subject: I'm not Message: a hillbilly. Really. You're from England? Maybe you need more exposure to hillbillies before you use the term. A donkey's ass? Very common. Just means a motherfucking piece of shit. It has nothing to do with hillbillies. By the way, your effort to preserve Sandra's feelings are chauvinistic. Maybe she appreciates that. I don't care. It's just stupid like most of your ideas. But hey, you're a premie. It's to be expected. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:59:26 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Powerman Subject: I'm not Message: England? Oh oh, now you're really going too far. I'm Scottish, you brainless sheep, and don't you forget it. English indeed. HUmmmph. And as for you: Ha! whare ye gaun, ye crowlin' ferlie! Your impudence protects you sairly: I canna say but ye strunt rarely, Owre gauze and lace; Tho' faith! I fear ye dine but sparely On sic a place. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 01:16:04 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Rob Subject: I'm not Message: Okay, you're Scottish. That's very nice. Most Scottish people I've met are pretty cool. Certainly, none that I've met are brainwashed and follow a guru who talks in circles and sells snake oil. What happened, Robot? Tough childhood? Remote father? Panic attacks? Whatever possessed you to join a cult? I realize you must be here in an effort to set the record straight; maybe for premies who are doubting, maybe for aspirants who are deciding, or maybe for enquiring minds. But I have no doubt that anyone who can think for themselves will see you're talking nonsense about the guru and the cult. Thank you for that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 20:54:47 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: A Polite Question Message: Rob, Did you ever live in Leeds? John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:59:45 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim et al Subject: Persona non grata Message: Good evening all, I think there is a partial correlation between ex-premies attending events and premies posting on the Forum. In both situations, those involved are a bit like fish out of water, definately not on their home turf, and suffered by the respective denizens only if certain standards of behavious are met. So there is an interesting comparison to draw between Gail being barred from events, and GI being barred from the Forum. Both have apparantly crossed the line as judged by the 'guardians' who have control over these things. Personally, I think it's a shame in either case and I hope not permanent. If I had any say in the matter, which I don't, I would let Gail into the events if she gave her word that she would not be a nuisance and spoil it for everyone else. Obviously, if a person does shout and carry on, they should be removed, as much for their own protection as to prevent further disruption. I don't think that is at all excessive or unusual. If you disagree, try the same thing at your next council meeting or public court hearing. The reason I am in favour of mutual tolerance is that for a lot of people, it is not all black or white. By this I mean I don't believe everyone should be expected to be totally polarised for or against Maharaji. Many have yet to make up their minds, many more may end up changing their minds, one way or the other. I know much mention is made of 'the fence', and it's use as a resting place, but from what I have read here and my own interaction with premies years ago, there are a lot of grey areas in peoples' minds (no pun intended!) I do know people who love Maharaji, but don't have great experiences with Knowledge. They go to the events because they want to see him and possibly hope to find the inspiration to try harder. I also know people who really get off on practising the four techniques, but can't relate to Maharaji a bit. Those people are probably more at home here, but may also go to events, if only to hang out with their friends. One more point, before I don my flak jacket, I am surprised that more hasn't been said by ex-premies to dissuade Gail from even trying to attend events, lest she succeeds in getting in. After all, if there is such intense, professional brainwashing taking place, is she not in mortal danger of succumbing to it? Oughn't you to warn her off? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:25:57 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Superficial as usual Message: And good evening, Robert! Premies can come here and talk, argue, even swear a bit. All at the pleasure of their host, who is curently Barney. You're not really going to compare that freedom with what we exes can do, are you? Let me spell those priviledges out for you: 1) Exes can go to programs so long as they're not well-identified as active participants of this site. I know, this is a bit speculative. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm just going by what Gail's reported, liar that she is. Let me ask you, do you think I could get in? How about Bill? JW? Katie? Speculate with me, Robert. I don't want to plan a whole wonderful vacation in Maharaji's World for nothing. 2) Even if they were allowed to enter the cult's rent-a-lair they certainly woudln't be allowed to question any speaker. Fine, you say, that's not what the program's all about. It's not for questions and answers. Okie dokie, how about this: if an ex got into a bit of a discussion with a premie, say out by the flotsam and jetsom tables, the ex would ....what? Be allowed to carry on? Be asked to leave? You tell me. By the way, those 'grey areas' you're refering to.... my friend killed himself because he couldn't stop doubting Maharaji's divinity. See any correlation? But what happens to a man who doubts? Nobody can even imagine. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:56:26 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Rod Subject: Herd Consciousness Message: What an odd idea you had- about expremies warning/not warning Gail not to go to a program or to be carefull of its influence. Maybe that points to your conceptions about the forum which stem from your herd consciousness. It never occurred to me to even think about the effects a program would have on Gail. Most exs have one thng in common, that they have left the Feet. Beyond that, it is hit or miss on whether we agree on anything else. I am one who had a strong attraction to M. but varried experience of techniques. After leaving the feet and recognising the cult aspects, I have a deep and constant connection with the techniques. Real experince of peace requires disengagement from a co-dependant relationship. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:55:03 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Superficial as usual Message: Wouldn't want to go out of character, for you James! I think the main differences lie in the medium. It's one thing to have a premie here ranting and raving about his/her beliefs, in a typewritten format where those who are disinterested or offended by that person merely has to avoid clicking on the URL. Contrast that with a situation in real life, where a similiar vocalisation of opinions, whether intended for someone at close quarters or not, will affect anyone in earshot. Oh sure, they could walk away, but that constitutes an inconvenience not found on the Forum. I don't know whether you would 'get in' or not Jim, how well known are you? My own view is that the same option I described for Gail should be universally applied. But it's not a democracy and I have no say in those matters, so all I can give you on this score is my opinion, albeit superficial. I would like to see a real world forum where people could air their grievances directly to Maharaji, I for one would be most interested to hear his responses. Unfortunately I have to concede to you that it probably won't happen. Questioning the speakers? In itself not an outlandish idea - it did used to happen, remember? Did you ever get chance to ask a question at one of those? I attend many corporate functions in my working role, and I get to witness the many and varied agendas from a very disinterested viewpoint. Q & A sessions, on the whole, tend to slow down the whole proceedings and drag on if unchecked. The better ones have written questions submitted beforehand, but are subject to suspicions of censorship. What would be the advantage, from your perspective, of being able to enter into a discussion with premies at a program, as opposed to online? Don't you think people are more disposed to discussing what might be to them 'taboo' issues from the relative safety and anonymity of Internet? To answer your question, about what would happen during a real life interchange, I think it would depend on things like raised voices, aggression, swearing etc. I'm sure if you could find a spot where you weren't bothering anyone else, and both of you could keep a handle on your temper, there wouldn't be a problem. I rarely hang out in the lobbies, so I don't know if the goons go around eavesdropping on conversations, maybe someone else has input on that. As to your friend's suicide, naturally I'm sorry to hear that and offer my condolences, if you'll accept them. I do see a correlation actually, because I can understand how much anguish you can go through when there are doubts in your mind with something as important in your life as this. That is why both forums have their place, in that they may help the undecided swing one way or the other. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:59:41 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Why? Message: I would like to see a real world forum where people could air their grievances directly to Maharaji, I for one would be most interested to hear his responses. Why? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:18:47 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why? Message: Because people here such as yourself raise issues which I'm unable to answer. That doesn't mean they are unanswerable , it means precisely what I said. I've no doubt that Maharaji can answer all your questions himself and I would learn from hearing his perspective on things. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:34:21 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Why? Message: Because people here such as yourself raise issues which I'm unable to answer. That doesn't mean they are unanswerable , it means precisely what I said. I've no doubt that Maharaji can answer all your questions himself and I would learn from hearing his perspective on things. But what would you learn? Obviously answers to these same questions. Thus, my friend, you're implicitly admitting that you too have these questions. They're in your mind, you don't know the answers -- you can't even guess what they might be -- and so you'd want to hear Maharaji field them. Rob, you're so transparent. You've got doubts and maybe even criticisms just like anyone. You just don't have the guts to voice them yourself. So you want to live vicariously through others. That's understandable if not honest. See what I'm getting at? Honestly, Rob. Can you see or not? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 01:25:53 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why? Message: Yes Jim I can see what you're getting at. Yes I do have questions, more since I read the Forum. I have criticisms of the way things are run, I always have. But here's the difference between us, and it's not meant as a criticism of you, so don't turn it into one. I trust Maharaji. I do experience Knowledge, I was not disappointed with my experience, unlike so many others here, he has not let me down, ever. So I trust his judgement. My doubts and my criticisms are all concerned with different aspects of the infrastructure. But when I hold them up against what I feel, against how my life changed for the better when I met Maharaji, against how mundane and pointless it would be without him, they wither away into nothing. They are just gripes and groans, but if I allow them to dominate my mind, I'm going to get lost in them and ultimately lose something I would not want to live without. I'm serious Jim, I'm no airy-fairy fucking hippy who thinks life is all big smiles and rose-petals. I've been through all kinds of shit in my life, all the highs and lows you can imagine, and Maharaji is definately the best thing that's ever happened to me. So I'm not going to throw that into jeapardy just because I don't happen to agree with the door policy at events, or whether Maharaji chooses to publish all the crappy emails people send him or whatever. It's not lack of guts, Jim, it's gratitude, it's trust, it's acceeding to a greater wisdom than my own. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 01:39:26 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Take a close look Message: Credit to you, Rob, for a bit of candour. Seriously. I appreciate your honesty if and when I ever feel like I'm seeing it. (Yeah, I know, it's just my opinion. Still ...) Now let's look a little closer. I warn you, Rob, this next part might squeeze a bit. You wrote: My doubts and my criticisms are all concerned with different aspects of the infrastructure. But when I hold them up against what I feel, against how my life changed for the better when I met Maharaji, against how mundane and pointless it would be without him, they wither away into nothing. They are just gripes and groans, but if I allow them to dominate my mind, I'm going to get lost in them and ultimately lose something I would not want to live without. I'd say that your doubts and criticisms, if truth be know, reach a little deeper than issues about the 'infrastructure'. In fact, Rob, you admit as much yourself by your last sentence above. Please think carefully about this: how could your doubts and criticisms 'dominate' your mind, even to the extent of making you lose your way in them and ultimately lose your connection to Maharaji if they were so superficial? The answer, Rob, is that they couldn't. You've got other doubts, Rob, that have nothing to do with the infrastructure. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:07:23 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why you taking so long, Rob? Message: Rob, Why's it taking you so long to reply to my post above? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:21:53 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why you taking so long, Rob? Message: Sorry Jim, forgot all about it. Let me read it again first. R. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:49:51 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Looking closer Message: Jim, On a superficial level, all that niggling crap that I was referring to can get in the way of being able to clear my head and focus on the techniques. That's pretty basic stuff given the nature of 'meditation'. I also know that's not the answer you're looking for. You're probing to see if I have any fundamental doubts about Maharaji himself, si? I'm not sure that I'm ready to bare my soul that much in public, Jim, but I'll try a little. I've always had problems relating to the LOTU bit. I was around in the 70's, I went to the Palace of Peace in London, Guru Puja's in Munich and other events where he wore the Krishna outfit and the mala. I couldn't understand it, and I still don't know what purpose it served. Maybe it was meant to appeal to the leftover hippy culture, as he perceived it, in the West. At the time I remember thinking it was just a Hindi cultural thing which he had yet to shake off. After all, I sometimes wear a kilt, that's part of my cultural background. But what used to embarrass me more than that, was the way all the premies (may have included yourself at the time?) totally got googly-eyed, weeping and carrying on. You know what I'm getting at. When all that start to get dropped in the 80's and early 90's I was sooo relieved! I still wonder sometimes which was the real man underneath all that, but like I said, it's not worth endangering my fundamental values simply because I personally don't have an answer to those questions. I have experienced the severe trauma of separation before. You can probably guess from the banter with gerry and pman I have been divorced. At the same time I had to say goodbye to a son & a daughter, whom the courts decided should stay with her. My experience of Knowledge and my connection with Maharaji was all I had left and it carried me through a couple of years of hell. Even though I remarried, I know what is the most important thing in my life still, the one thing that will be there for me when all else is taken away. Does that make me a coward? Perhaps, but I've know I have something which works for me and I'm not about to let go of it because my teacher used to dress up funny or do things I can't understand. I'm trying to be straight with you Jim, but this isn't easy for me to talk about, so please try not to stomp too heavily just yet. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 22:31:29 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Rob Subject: Looking closer Message: Darn it Rob, Just when I decide to be ticked at you, your reply to Jim arrives. Sounds like some of the pain you've gone through still lingers. If K got you through I'll have to concede, 'Whatever it takes'. But, you know the old Ms Pac Man machines are pretty good panaceas for those rought times too;-) Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 22:39:40 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Pac man Message: Thanks Mary, but my Glenfiddich also works pretty well when the bairns are on my mind. I'm reluctant to share some of that stuff, because I know the more cynical out there will see it as a premie looking for a shoulder to cry on. Well that's not the case, I'm doing just fine. Jim, darn him, is such a decent sounding man it's hard to brush off his questions too lightly. Bet he's a good lawyer too. Wish I'd known him when I was geting divorced. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 22:57:09 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: mem_mcgraw@msn.com To: Rob Subject: Glenfiddich? Message: You're welcome Rob. What's Glenfiddich? My youngest 'bairn' (isn't that a beautiful word?) actually a 'fine young lass' is leaving for a job in Colorado tomorrow. Maybe I need some Glenfiddich tonight. The only Ms Pac Man machine I know of still functional is in the Detroit airport. Twas the only perk of being sent to Detroit as a 'grifter consultant'. Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 23:24:22 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Glenfiddich? Message: Ambrosia of the Gods, pure nectar. But for the heathens, a single malt whiskey from Scotland. Even has it's own website www.glenfiddich.com And a toast to your daughter: Here's to the maiden of bashful fifteen; Here's to the widow of fifty; Here's to the flaunting extravagant queen; And here's to the housewife that's thrifty. Let the toast pass,- Drink to the lass, I'll warrant she'll prove an excuse for the glass. Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751-1816) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 23:31:05 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Rob Subject: Glenfiddich ;-) Message: Rob Lad, Y'er doin just fine iffin y'er still singin those ditties. Go light on the nectar of the Gods can make a lad crazy ye know;-) Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 17:22:27 (EDT)
From: barney Mac Donald Email: None To: Rob Subject: Glenfiddich? Message: How about ye olde Glen Marenghe (sp?) Was always me favorite until they took my liver out. But, Glenfiddich will do in an emergency ;) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 08, 1999 at 00:11:56 (EDT)
From: McRon Email: None To: barney Mac Donald Subject: Glenfiddich? Message: Maybe you mean Glen Merengue, which was Rico Suave's favourite tipple. More likely Glenmorangie, a fine single malt. It too, has it's own web page www.glenmorangie.com If it's your liver you're after taking out, you'll be better off with Glenlivet. Glenfiddich is pure, with no coarse additives. But if you really want to impress your friends, you can't go wrong with a very rare bottle of Pinwhinnie Royale, distilled in a small village south of Ayr, and available sometimes by mail order from Harrods of London. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:15:10 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Looking closer Message: My experience of Knowledge and my connection with Maharaji was all I had left and it carried me through a couple of years of hell. Even though I remarried, I know what is the most important thing in my life still, the one thing that will be there for me when all else is taken away. Have you ever considered the possibility that we wouldn't have had to say goodbye to so much if we hadn't held Maharaji in such high esteem? What is your connection to Maharaji? Do you have a connection to your wife when she is at work? What connection? This is all in the premie's mind. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 11:28:32 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gail Subject: Connexions/Gail Message: I think you have a good point there, Gail. As I said, I never was comfortable with the LOTU thing and viewing Maharaji as a Divine Being, and so maybe when that aspect of him was no longer promulgated, it was probably an incredible source of confusion for a lot of people. Like I said, I personally was relieved. When I refer to my conection with Maharaji, it's not in the mystical or psychic sense, but simply in terms of him and his teachings being a focal point in my life. Going to programs, watching videos, feeling a part of the whole thing. I do have a conectin with my wife at work. It's called the telephone. No, sarcasm aside, there are those moments I think a lot of married couplesand siblings experience when you 'know' what the other person is thinking or feeling, but that's OT. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 15:18:21 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: Why? Message: I've no doubt that Maharaji can answer all your questions himself and I would learn from hearing his perspective on things. That's pretty funny, Rob. Seeking answers to anything from a grade school grad, meglomaniac, spoiled little fat shit who has never had to work a day in his life, who grew up in a skewered, distorted atmsophere completely insulated and isolated from any ''real world'' experience, who's diatribes mainly concern some ephemeral hindu concepts and of course, his obsession with material things. I pity you Rob, I really do. You're stuck, and you're fucked. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 18:01:06 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: gerry Subject: Why? Message: Gerry, I really wish I could get you and Powerman together to compose letters to my ex-wife. The pair of you have raised the lobbing of insults to an art form. I salute you!! But seriously, if you're right, how come so many of your peers are pressuring me to forward questions to Maharaji? If I could don my rubber gloves for a moment, and extract one phrase from the rest of the poop, it would be the one about not doing a days work etc. If you really examine what Maharaji actually does in his life, you'll find that he rarely has a day when he's not working. Piloting an aircraft around more than 100 countries a year, working with event organisers, personally revealing Knowledge to hundreds of people at a time, working behind the scenes on music and video projects....it's a lot and doesn't justify that criticism. One more thing, aside from one or two examples by Kabir, his talks do not mainly concern some ephemeral hindu concepts. If it's been that long since you listened to him, I'll extend to you the offer I made to Barney & mail you a copy of the most recent event in Miami, when it's out. At least then we'll be arguing about current material. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 18:56:13 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: Why? Message: Hi Rob, You call flying around in a ultra luxurious jet (with a co-pilot, of course) work? And really, how much of the time does he spend at the wheel as opposed to being on the golden throne or in the bedroom getting head from one of the divine stewardesses? But, yeah I'll concede ''Revealing the Knowledge'' must be a lot of work. Maintaining a deceptive posture for any length of time is always difficult and energy consuming. Unless of course, you're a sociopath who thrives such things. Tell me all this knowledge mumbo jumo isn't merely whitewashed hinduism. Give me a kabir break! Actually I have a copy of the Long Beach travesty circa 1997. Isn't that current enough? Or has he ''evolved'' since then? But seriously, if you're right, how come so many of your peers are pressuring me to forward questions to Maharaji? What does this have to do with anything I've said? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 19:03:07 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Rob Subject: Forgive Gerry Message: He isn't always razor sharp. The reason some exes have questions for the Lard is because he's a lying, cheating fraud and has some explaining to do. If, for one minute, you think it's because he knows anything worthwhile, forget it. He really is a useless fuck. It's not surprising you follow him. And by the way, insult your own ex-wife, you vapid sack of shit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 19:19:23 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Jeez Powerman... Message: You sure know (or is that ''no?'' I'm getting confused again) how to hurt a guy. He isn't always razor sharp Gerry--not the sharpest crayon in the box but he tries... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 20:27:53 (EDT)
From: Polly Wolly Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Rob's Ex-wife Message: Mr Powerman, Mr Rob sure is mean. He's making tons of money but his ex-wife isn't supposed to know. But she's having the last laugh, cuz, us girls know she found a man who can get her off! PW Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:20:28 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Polly Wolly Subject: Age, gender check? (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:27:53 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Polly Wolly Subject: Rob's Ex-wife Message: Hysterical. Nothing will make a man limp like a guru. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:52:47 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Rob's Ex-wife Message: There's nothing wrong with the way I walk. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:16:38 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: FWD Q to M Message: I asked, But seriously, if you're right, how come so many of your peers are pressuring me to forward questions to Maharaji? To which you responded, What does this have to do with anything I've said? I was referring to: That's pretty funny, Rob. Seeking answers to anything from a grade school grad, meglomaniac, spoiled little fat shit who has never had to work a day in his life, who grew up in a skewered, distorted atmsophere completely insulated and isolated from any ''real world'' experience, who's diatribes mainly concern some ephemeral hindu concepts and of course, his obsession with material things Meaning, if that is a commonly help opinion of M. why would anyone be bothered asking him questions? You call flying around in a ultra luxurious jet (with a co-pilot, of course) work? I would, actually. The co-pilot is an FAA requirement for long flights. Do we have any commercial pilots tuning in that can comment on this? Tell me all this knowledge mumbo jumo isn't merely whitewashed hinduism. As you wish. 'All this Knowledge mumbo jumbo is not merely whitewashed hinduism.' Actually I have a copy of the Long Beach travesty circa 1997. Isn't that current enough? Tell me which day (I have seven tapes) and I'll check it for ephemeral Hindu content and get back to you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 21:51:07 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: FWD Q to M Message: Cute, Rob, but you can't really be honest about this, can you? Of course people would want to ask M questions because he presented himself as god, the lord of the universe, master and teacher. The questions people are asking here are not of the '' what is the meaning of life, oh master, or, how can I experience the truth'' variety. We know he doesn't have any answers. The questions I would like to ask are more of the ''How do you sleep at night'' variety. But you know that and you're just being coy. Are you serious about there being seven tapes of that program? He doesn't miss a trick, does he? Milk you guys for every possible dime. This is sad and disturbing. Heck, I don't know which one I have. And I can't review it right now. See, Patty is enjoying her Sunday and I would be loathe to disturb her with his blathering. She can't stand the sound of his voice and the inanity of what he says. No, she was never a premie. She has far too much sense and good judgement for that. I will concede that a co-pilot is needed for long flights. No need to call the FAA. Chalk one up for your side. Maybe you need to read JM's site on the roots of M's trip. Come on, you're saying it has changed since Shri Hans ripped off the title and began propagandizing his own for-profit satguru side show? I think M would take umbrance with that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 22:15:25 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: FWD Q to M Message: Been taking lessons from Jim? 'You can't really be honest' I can't really give a serious answer when I get the impression you're just venting still. Vent away, get it out of your system and then talk to me in a more civilized way and you'll find I'm much more responsive. The bottom line on all that 'How do you sleep?' stuff is that there really aren't any questons involved, only a frustration that you can't give him a piece of your mind. I don't know what I can do for you on that score. You can let loose on me, if it makes you feel better, or thump a pillow or something. I have seven tapes of Long Beach, yes. I think there were more, but that was all I bought. Milking us? You know, I was about to launch into things like costs of production, editing, duplication, shipping and all that, but why bother? It's a product on offer, if I want to buy it, I do, if not, I don't. I still spend more on Glenfiddich than I do on Visions tapes, does that make me a victim of their brainwashing ad campaign? Maybe you need to read JM's site on the roots of M's trip. Come on, you're saying it has changed since Shri Hans ripped off the title and began propagandizing his own for-profit satguru side show? I think M would take umbrance with that I think you meant 'umbrage', but anyway I haven't read that particular jewel yet so I should withhold comment for now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 23:20:52 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: FWD Q to M Message: Yes, thank, umbrage. Jeez, I even proofread it and didn't catch it. I guess that's why god made editors and spell checkers. Our brains tend to register reality as we want it to be, based on our experiences and beliefs, not upon what's really there. If Glenfiddich is a musical group, do you really spend more on their tapes than Vision tapes? Bad premie! I really liked modern Scottish music a friend rescently turned me on to. 'Course I don't know if it was really modern, having little upon which to base an opinion, but it was moving and reminded me I really need to expand my musical horizons. You know, my frustration with M is not personal. I didn't waste much time on him, I was young and I made the best of it. I don't even regret my time in the cult, other than he got my guitars and the ribbing I took from my friends. I only became militantly anti-M after I came here, to this site and read the devastation that followed in the wake of his meglomania. The outrageousness of it all and also the fact that he is still trying to snare the unwary. Yes, do read JM's sight. I think you'll find it, ahem, enlightening. Oh I just decided Glenfiddich is some sort of booze, see, what do I know. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 08:25:16 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: FWD Q to M Message: As you wish. 'All this Knowledge mumbo jumbo is not merely whitewashed hinduism.' At least you agree that it's mumbjo jumbo. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 02:37:45 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: Superficial as usual Message: ...I can understand how much anguish you can go through when there are doubts in your mind with something as important in your life as this. 'this' is losing more and more importance, daily. Thank God. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:02:43 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: I have never created a scene Message: Nor would I. I am going to call Michael Duhaney tomorrow to arrange a confessional meeting. How does it go? Bless me father for I have sinned. How many Hail Marys do you think they'll assign? I can see myself doing Stations of the Cross at least five times. It may well be that my rosary beads will be worn out when the ordeal is over. Of course, there's lots of ivory left--the beads haven't had the workout they should have in my last quarter of a century. Let's face it, Rob. The meeting will be conducted to find out if I am duly sorry for my lapse into MIND!!!!! If only I had stuck to my original beliefs, I wouldn't be in the mess I'm in now! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 16:12:23 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Gail Subject: I have never created a scene Message: Hi Gail, I don't know why PWKs are obsessing on 'a scene' taking place at one of 'Private Investor, Pastor Rawats' church services. I personally would love to splat apple butter all over the entranceway to the hall. (Sshhhh... be vewy, vewy, quiet and you can sense the Goon Patrols now warned to be on full red alert for any incoming 'apple butter' trajectories.) I bet the Head of the Usher Service would go right over the edge if the 'apple butter trajectory project' comes to fruition! Last time I checked, we still have the right to peaceful protest in the United States. I am, however, an elitist when it comes to protest signs. I think some tasteful signs are in order but I'm having a difficult time coming up with slogans for all the characters here on X/3. Mine would say: 'Private Investor, Pastor Rawat, what did you do with my grandmother Nellie's watch?' Protest slogans anyone? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 08, 1999 at 02:08:26 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Gail Subject: CONFESS, GIRL, CONFESS! Message: Gail, You've got to do it! YES! And be prepared to bring back a full report. Or better yet we'll get one of those lapel cameras and get it all down on tape. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 13:56:52 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Rob Subject: Persona non grata Message: Rob?????? 'as much for their own protection as to prevent further disruption.' Protection???? Protection from what? Violent premies? Man, that's a very weird kind of love that you are talking about. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:28:49 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Sandra Subject: responses to Sandra Message: just tuned in. this sandra girl is sick Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 03:03:04 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Sandra Subject: responses to Sandra Message: Sandra, If a person chooses to use language in a carefully prepared manner in a public forum, then that person has to respect the usual meaning of those words. To any objective observer, Maharaji is, and always has been, the leader of the group known as DLM or Elan Vital. At an event, all the videos feature him, he is the only speaker, there are videos and cassettes for sale featuring no one else but him, there are photographic art galleries featuring only pictures of him, and the only speaker is he himself. He decides when and where events happen. He is the only one allowed to dispense the only product available in the organisation, the 'knowledge'. He appoints all national co-ordinators, and all other senior positions in the organisation. He decides policy for the organisation. He decides how the organisation's money is spent. And everyone in the organisation jumps when he says jump. Now tell me again, with sincerity, how it can be interpreted that he is not the leader. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 23:49:07 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Maharaji's small penis Message: Actually, Sandra, someone else (I can't remember who without going into the archives) mentioned the fact that a girlfriend had sexual intercourse with Maharaji and was disappointed with him. In my mind, if you keep sleeping with a bunch of people from the same gene pool (cult), you're bound to get discussed. If he were living the life of poverty, chastity, and abstinence from alcohol, cigarettes, coffee (as he stated about going down the toilette), and drugs, as he demanded from us, there would be nothing to discuss. I could care less what size his penis is. The point is that he should have been using it on his wife, not other devotees. He commanded our lifestyle, and yet, he broke every rule he set up. He is a wanker--and a small one at that. He is rather like a dirty cop who shoots heroin and then busts his dealer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 23:55:01 (EDT)
From: Andy Warhol Email: None To: Gail Subject: He's hung like a mule... Message: take a peek Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:19:36 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Andy Warhol Subject: He's hung like a mule... Message: Geez. I never thought I'd be getting into pornography in my advanced years. To coin Mike's laugh-- BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:07:56 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: KB, bb, ^^, AA Subject: Re: Oops, sandy lied again Message: Mr. Fast n' loose with the truth aspiring important guy, You wrote, 'for 25 years you have been perfectly satisfied? You liar.' Not even close, Mr. Honesty. I said I found the KNOWLEDGE TECHNIQUES to be perfectly satisfying in the context of responding to Mark's assertions that there were hundreds of techniques of 'superconsciousness.' Big difference. I didn't say I was. I am, at times, wonderfully satisfied as a person. At other times I'm ready to strangle some driver who cut me off, etc. Learn to read. Better yet, go back to your lab and work on those DNA samples. Unlike other people here, who I may have totally divergent viewpoints from but strike me as intelligent and sincere in their (dis)beliefs, I have no interest in having a conversation with you. You're quite totally full of shit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:13:34 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Re: Oops, sandy lied again Message: Better yet, go back to your lab and work on those DNA samples. How many women do you think Maharaji's fucked beside Marolyn? Zero? Five? Ten? Fifteen? More than fifteen? Do you think there's any particular position favoured by the Lord of Love? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:46:54 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Sandra Subject: readers cant assume context Message: Who can guess what context you are imagineing when you type 'I have found the techniques to be perfectly satisfying for 25 years'. Your statement stands on it's own. YOU found the techs, -perfectly satisfying- and not only that, but for 25 years. As another 25+ person, if the techniques were perfectly satisfying, then certainly the history of the premies would be different. And the history of the rawat family would be different. Why make such broad sweeping comments when we all have the techniques and watched the same speaker for decades? How about trying to think of your audience when you want to make a point and articulate something we can agree with. You know, I keep thinking someone will show up here and make a case for prem rawat that is better than the ones we get. But since origionality and individualism was banned in the defining of 'knowledge', all we get is video speak clones. But that is perfectly satisfying I guess. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:50:05 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: KB Subject: Can't you read, Bill? Message: Bill, She's not talking with you. That's it. Finito. You're done, boy. Don't ask me why. I'm just telling you what the little lady said. 'No more for you', is what I heard. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:58:31 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jim Subject: kicking sand in my face Message: She? is like shp in that responding is a necessity. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:50:56 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: JHB Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Hi again JHB, You asked, 'One question that is quite current relates to Maharaji's claim to have never been a leader (on his website). What do you think of this?' I think it's a matter of semantics and what he thinks of when he hears the word leader. It is a word he's never used for himself (though Jim-boy can probably dig up a quote from when he was 4, translated from Hindi). It's not up to me to answer for him but I've only heard him use the term leader referring to politicians, for whom he clearly has no great regard. It's like that great myth 'meditation teacher' which is bandied about here so often. Even Jim can't find a quote where he used that. I know some folks may see this as a 'devious attempt to rewrite his past' but I don't think he sees himself as a leader in that sense at all. I don't think he likes the word and he certainly doesn't like the word 'figurehead', which if you understand it's meaning, shouldn't be too hard to grok. He seems to have no problem with the title Master, which is a much stronger word by any definition. Ultimately, I don't think he gives a hoot what his title is, though clearly many people here do. I see him removing barriers for people, cultural and semantic. You want justifications for all these things...I think you'll be waiting a looong time. He moves on with his work. Regards, Sandra Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:59:36 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Maharaji's work is a hustle; an empty bag with a hole in it. His words are deceiving: First he's God, then he's not even a leader. Now you see it, now you don't. The term master is vague in western culture. If he 'doesn't give a hoot what his title is', why does he bring it up? Duhhh. No one here expects any justification from Maharaji. There isn't any. It's a ripoff. We came, we saw, we lost. How dumb we were. Not that you are. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:32:29 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Powerman, what lines! Message: No one here expects any justification from Maharaji. There isn't any. It's a ripoff. We came, we saw, we lost. How dumb we were. Not that you are, Sandra. Tee hee he! Ya gotta love it. I'm going to save this--it's so cute! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:51:06 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Gail Subject: thanks you Message: I really appreciate your posts, too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:01:55 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Hi Sandra, What role does M have in the Church of Elan Vital? He must favor some politics as his Church and Out Reach Ministries have an exemplary Tax Attorney who happens to be 'politically' well connected. Also, is Visions International the church trinket store? VISIONS INTERNATIONAL 5321 DERRY AVE STE G AGOURA HILLS, CA 91301 (Headquarters location) (Trade style, aka, 'doing business as') ELAN VITAL INC BTW - once a follower can provide 'proof positive' that Elan Vital is not a church I'll stop 'preachin to the choir' so to speak. Best to you, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:17:25 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Ahem, my question Sandra? Message: Sandra, Are you going to answer the question concerning Elan Vital? Just wondering, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:28:47 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Mare Subject: What do you know of M? Message: Hi Mare, Wasn't looking here, I was looking at the inactives I hadn't answered. Don't spend that much time on the net now 'cause real life stuff is keeping me quite busy. I have no idea what the answer to your question is. I don't know who is listed as what nor do I follow or care about the ins and outs of corporate/legal/non-profit tax structures. Lemme guess, is this a trick question? Visions is the dispenser of swan-embossed condoms and the like, yes. Best to you too, Sandra Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:35:23 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Nope - No trick question (nt) Message: lkdfj Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 10:05:35 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Nor do you follow? Message: Hi Sandra, I don't know who is listed as what nor do I follow or care about the ins and outs of corporate/legal/non-profit tax structures. Um, Sandra, don't you think it would be a good idea to know what Non-Profit, Tax Exempt, Church you belong to? Do you embrace the tenets of the Elan Vital Church and its leaders? Your response is quite blatant in its cultish mindset. The Divine Light Mission was formally established in the United States in 1971 as a nonprofit religious organization and in 1974 was recognized as a church by the United States Internal Revenue Service under IRS Section 501 (C)(B) . Elan Vital was established as a successor organization to the Divine Light Mission in the early 1980s. Say hello to Pastor Rawat and Deaconess Linda Gross. Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:05:19 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Hilarious Message: Sandra, You cult members really crack me up. On the one hand, you wouldn't dream of answering for Maharaji ('It's not up to me to answer for him ...'); on the other, you spin such complete garbage. Maharaji didn't have to like politicians, he was planning to supercede them: In December, 1972, and January, 1973, he designed the Divine United Organization, or DUO, as a master plan for the rediscovery of humanity,an organization capable of meeting global needs with total solutions. DUO coordinates the entire divine community, and under the guidance of Guru Maharaj Ji works through purely constructive means to remold this world as a humanistic society where people base their lives upon service rather than selfishness. For the members of DUO, work is worship. The stated purpose of DUO might seem like an idle dream except for the incredible growth of Divine Light Mission. The Mission is different from all other organizations in that all its members have received Knowledge. They have scrapped every ulterior motive and rededicated their lives. They are well on their way to total selflessness. Taking only what they need, giving all of themselves to the task, they are tackling the most massive job that man has ever faced -- out of love for their Perfect Master, Guru Maharaj Ji. And tell me, please, how someone bent on 'remold[ing] the world' wouldn't be a leader? Sandra, you're self-satisfied taunt at the end invites a little discussion. You say: You want justifications for all these things...I think you'll be waiting a looong time. He moves on with his work. What you avoid mentioning is that until Maharaji deals with his past he must live as a virtual refugee from the public at large. I really can't wait for the IRS to move on with its work. Can you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:47:51 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Jim Subject: Guess who you're quoting? Message: Jim, Had I read your nasty little tome, I might not have answered you before so nicely. Who are you quoting here anyway...do you know? Why, it's Mr. Bob Mishler, patron saint of the ex page, that's who....who wanted Maharaji to be, guess what? A leader. Sandra P.S. Do you quote people all the time in your real conversations? That truly would lessen your appeal. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:14:51 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: So? Message: Sandra, Of course I knew that was Mishler-speak. Maharaji's uneducated, remember? But the point is that quote came from Maharaji's 'authentic authorized' hagiography, Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?. I suppose you're going to tell us that Maharaji was drugged and beaten when he did the DUO film too, huh? And no, I don't quote people all the time. You know when I do, though? When I'm cross-examining lying witnesses. I throw their words back at them. It's fun. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 03:38:18 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: I see him removing barriers for people, cultural and semantic. This is what I thought when all the changes were made in the 80s. But if this is true, how come he's got this Kabir thing that he's always plugging, maybe not so much today but in the early 90s that's all I heard. 'I like Kabir'. 'I like Kabir'. 'The fish is thirsty in the water and I laugh'. 'I like Kabir'... He went on so much about Kabir that I finally went to the bookstore and picked up a book by him. It sucked. All it was about is how wonderful the master is, which is what M's biggest turn on is. He is just so into being the master. How does that remove cultural barriers? Here in the west, at least in the states, master is a dirty word which is never used anymore. The only people who called others 'master' were slaves. Hmm. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 06:43:57 (EDT)
From: Anon Email: None To: Jerry and Sandra Subject: What do you know of M? Message: He is just so into being the master. How does that remove cultural barriers? Here in the west, at least in the states, master is a dirty word which is never used anymore. The only people who called others 'master' were slaves. Hmm. This is a good point. Maharaji is obviously sensitive about semantics since he has clearly changed words often. I wonder how long he can resist changing the word 'Master'. You're right 'Master' has other connotations other than meaning 'teacher'. Of course you cannot endlessly leap forever from one descriptive word to another, hoping that a palatable label will impress. One is reminded how many undesirable characters wear a badge wholly unfitting or descriptive of their effect. Premies at one time referred to Maharaji (with a distinct and intentional hark back to Mafia habits) as 'The Big Boss'. Maybe this was more fitting! As for Maharaji removing cultural barriers, I suppose that any person who promotes something internationally that has nothing to do with 'nationality' could claim to be doing the same. I fail to see this. Cultural barriers are removed by Coca Cola too aren't they? Certainly he is unable to remove the really significant barriers. As Premies we used to say that we are 'changing the world by changing people's hearts'. That seems a more honest statement than to pretend that Maharaji is somehow some great altruistic force, removing cultural barriers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:28:56 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Is it just me? Message: My old ashram mate, Brian Gaudet, the weenie who cued up Maharaji's diatribe against 'chit chat' and then then came downstairs and plugged his boombox in to destroy our conversation around the dining room table, posted this on ELK: Mar del Plata I'm back at the Laundry Bar in Miami Beach. I'll be leaving for the airport in a couple of hours. I'm still hoping to help out if I can. It's always enjoyable to feel the enthusiasm that comes from participating. I'll try and find a way to get on the Internet down there and send an update. Bye for now, Am I the only one who thinks that Brian and others like him could have so very, very easily been Heaven's Gaters in another life? I mean, Brian, scurrying down to South America to move some chairs around? What has to happen to a person so that they end up uttering sentences like: it's always enjoyable to feel the participation that comes from enthusiasm...sorry, I mean, the enthusiasm that comes from participation? This is undiluted weenie talk. It's Chris Dickey talk. Are these guys in a cult or what? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:36:35 (EDT)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jim Subject: C'mon, Jim... loosen up! Message: I'm back at the Laundry Bar in Miami Beach. I'll be leaving for the airport in a couple of hours. I'm still hoping to help out if I can. It's always enjoyable to feel the enthusiasm that comes from participating. I'll try and find a way to get on the Internet down there and send an update. I mean, why not if it's enjoyable? Sure beats chit-chat or having a life... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:44:09 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: nigel Subject: Don't 'chit chat' me! Message: Nigel, Cults, especially the really crazy ones, really raise the issue of what's worth doing in life anyway. I mean, I'm probably not going to breed my own kids and Laurie's are pretty well making their way in the world. Maybe I too should just fly down to Argentina and move some chairs around. Want to go? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:42:37 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Jim Subject: Sorry, Message: but it's us who could have ended up in Heaven's Gate. Anyone in the cult at this point, just wouldn't have had the guts. And I'm not even sure it's a cult, anymore. It's more like being in a corporation with lots of buzzwords, and not getting paid. Team Maharaji, GO! What a joke. Yeah, weenies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:17:06 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Good point, pman Message: Yeah, you're right. We were all fanatics. It's just that Brian's such a weenie fanatic. That's what reminded me of HG. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:44:00 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jim Subject: Brian's Angel Message: Back in the 80s during a Q & A period with MJ, Brian Gaudet stood up and thanked MJ for a myriad of things. He concluded by saying that his life would be perfect if MJ would send him an angel to share his life with. MJ chuckled and replied with: 'Sex! Last on your list--first on your mind.' I nearly crawled through the floorboards with empathetic embarrassment for Brian. I liked him. He was always nice to me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 19:58:42 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Alternate Universe? - Roger? Message: Don't forget to click the link. Does anyone speak Hindi? Does anyone speak hindi? http://www.manavdharam.org/ Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:41:30 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Jim Subject: Alternate Universe? - Roger? Message: Hi Jim, Interesting graphics. M favors his mother, don't you think? Who is the rotund gentleman at bottom? Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:49:11 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mare Subject: Funny you should ask Message: M favors his mother, don't you think? Well, I odn't know if that's how he'd put it but, yeah, I guess you're right. Who is the rotund gentleman at bottom? That, my dear, is none other than Guru Maharaj Ji. Where you been? This is M's eldest brother, Satpal (who we knew as Bal Bhagwan Ji). Read my book. It's all there. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:05:06 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Jim Subject: Funny you should ask Message: Well, I did follow the Bal Bhagwan threads.... just never saw a recent graphic. He was a tad on the thin side the last time I cared to notice! Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:55:54 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Mare Subject: Shri mata Mangla Ji!! Message: egad, there is a new 'mother of the universe'. bal (little) bhagwan (god) ji has his wife yapping up a storm and reading her drivel would be a hoot, although predicatable. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:04:18 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: KB Subject: A Hindi ex in the house? Message: Yeah, I'd love to know what these guys are saying (not that I can't guess, of course). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 06:57:43 (EDT)
From: Tattoo Email: None To: Everyone Subject: I need an answer, NOW Message: Just sent e-mail to that site asking for help in determining the real master since both are sons of .....Shri Hans. Will report back if I get a response. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 15:36:28 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Jim Subject: Alternate universe Message: THAT was Bal Bhagwan Ji?????? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 16:57:31 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Power of Belief - ABC News Message: Here's a link to an interesting transcript: Power of Belief Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 16:58:32 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jim Subject: Okay, here's the URL Message: http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/abcnewsspecials/transcripts/stossel990603_belief.html Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 19:58:07 (EDT)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jim Subject: thanks Message: Now, while magical thinking’s fine for kids, it’s another thing when adults do it. Hmm... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:57:59 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: nigel Subject: Just the man I want to see Message: Nigel, I'm glad you responded to Jim's post because I was thinking of you while I was reading it. From what you've learned about meditation, would you say that it can actually affect someone's chemistry where they have experiences of 'God', or is it just the power of belief, no chemistry involved? Indeed, can the power of belief change brain chemistry? Also, with regards to our special brand of meditation, Knowledge, how would you account for the 'experience' some premies are having? I hope its no bother for you to share what you've learned about this. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be interested. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:07:13 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jerry Subject: the man I 'want' to see Message: I dont know if you missed the thread a few months ago, but someone posted a url that connected us to some spiritual group and one of the stories was that some spiritual teacher talked about a spiritual being that he knew and later he admitted that he had just made it up as an example. Well, that didn't stop the devotees from having dreams and visions of the 'spiritual being' and 'experiences'. NO mention was made of how they might have explained that away when they found out it was a fictional story and fictional character. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 01:33:38 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: KB Subject: More puzzling behavior Message: That's interesting, Bill. Another thing that's interesting is these TM guys that claim they can levitate. I saw this on TV one night. There were three of them, all smiles, bouncing around on this futon, obviously using there leg strength to give them altitude. But they claimed they were levitating when it was plain to anyone watching that they were bouncing. Not only that, but they think that this flopping about is a contribution to world peace. What is wrong with these people? What is going on in their brains that they think this way? I'm almost certain that the same neural network that makes these TMers think they're levitating is the same type that has premies (and even some exes) think they're having an 'experience'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 18:36:20 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Jerry Subject: More puzzling behavior Message: Dear Jerry, I am an ex that meditates, just on the word and light. I don't think it has to do with god but then I don't think there is a 'god' per say. I feel a connection as part of nature, the bigger picture, on a good day the universe. I have read here about the light technique just being the optic nerve stimulated, I assume from pressing fingers on closed eyes. I don't do that, sometimes I don't do anythig but usually I do touch my '3rd eye' just to help me focus on that point because that seems to be where it happens. When I was a premie I did do the eye ball thing so I don't know, but I did watch the effect change from blobs of colored donuts to intricate symetrical designs, like ink blots. As far as the TM'ers, I think that sounds as hokey as the cowboy in my foot! I was told I had the spirit of a cowboy in my foot at a spirit releasment my friend had someone do on me years ago without being there myself. I posted about it here once but before you were here. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 03:54:22 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Robyn Subject: behaviour Message: Hello Robyn It was interesting for me to see you say that you are an ex that meditates. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one. I cant say I do the hour a day thing, but it is definitely part of my life. Over the last few days I have felt like poping up and st stating that not all exs put down meditation. So I did. Cp Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 07:28:47 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: cp Subject: behaviour Message: Dear cp, There are other ex's that meditate, can't think of who but it has been discussed before. The nice thing is we do it how and when and for how long we want! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 11:11:42 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Ride 'em cowboy! Message: I was told I had the spirit of a cowboy in my foot at a spirit releasment my friend had someone do on me years ago without being there myself. Uh, yeah. I hope you and the cowboy are happier now that he's been released. Releeeeese me darlinnn, let me gooooo.... As for meditation, I think some people just dig it more than others. I think that's what it really boils down to. It only gets bizarre when people start talking about God realization and cosmic consciousness, stuff like that. All I think it really does is give people, if meditation is their thing, heightened awareness, which is always a good thing, however you get there. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 14:59:25 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Robyn Subject: The cowboy in your foot Message: A song for you (You don't have to thank me- -the poetry prize I won for this is enough-ha ha) The cowboy in my foot has been released Whoopie i yo tie ey! I once had a cowboy in my foot And his name was Clay He used to rope cattle and drink a a cup of Joe, It got a little crowded when he wandered up my toe Got a little messy if he chewed tobacco But now he's gone... the cowboy in my foot has been released Whoopie i yo tie ey! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 17:50:38 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Helen Subject: The cowboy in your foot Message: Dear Helen and Jerry, When I first told that story here everyone loved it! I LOVE your poem! I think I will email it to the woman who had that releasment done on/for me. :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 03:20:35 (EDT)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jerry Subject: Just the man I want to see Message: Hi Jerry, I am flattered you value my opinion on this - and I wouldn't want anyone to think of it as an expert one. I'm in rush right now, but I will get back... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 12:42:36 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: nigel Subject: Just the man I want to see Message: get used to the flattery Nigel, we all seem to like your input. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 12:14:11 (EDT)
From: Anon Email: None To: Everyone Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: Mark said down below: Its turns out Shri Maharaji did crown himself. I would like to know what really happened. What do you know? or should I say..what have you heard? If anyone knows anything please tell. I'm fascinated. As far as I have heard, Maharaji's father was supposed to have been the spiritual successor to Sarupanand. Maharaji is confidant enough to endorse this on his website's 'Masters' page. He clearly seeks to inform us that the gentlemen adorning that page represent a 'Perfect Master' lineage that is 'traceable thus far'(as he puts it).He seems quite certain about this. On Jean Michels site, the 'Advait Mat' book (which was written as a 'official' history of Sarupanand and his lineage) nowhere mentions Shri Hans (amongst the dozens of disciples listed by name) and furthermore it elaborately explains how another Guru was publically proclaimed by Sarupanand as his successor. Early DLM seem to have had their own version of events, namely that some rogue disciple took over Sarupanands estate and title. Shri Hans therefore, undaunted by this lack of rightful recognition, and of course fuelled by the Lord's compassion for the weary and the weak, naturally proceeded to spread the Knowledge himself, on foot. (or later with the aid of an Austin Princess) OK, so having done some interested research on my own into all these stories, I can finally say with a clear conscience that along with all the lofty talk of God and Truth there indeed seems to have been an obfuscating cloud of revisionism, so vast and impenetrable, that I don't believe that I shall ever know what actually happened. It serves little to question the veracity of Maharaji's Hall of Fame. He's not exactly clear himself I suspect. So should we do as He suggests? trust that he is a legitimate Master, with no weighing up of his credentials? Rely on the experience alone? Without considering the facts are we not likely to interpret the experience only in the way that it is has been suggested, and are we not also in danger of being victims of our own ill-informed assumptions and wishful thinkings? It's fine to blithely enjoy a life of meditation and gratitude towards Maharaji, and the certainty and security that comes with believing you are associated with a Man-God. My experience tells me that in this blissful and 'privileged' state we tended to develop a blindness towards the way actual life works. In other words you see the world through rose coloured glasses. Not as it is. Quite the contrary to what Satsang suggested. In fact you see less, because you are sure you don't need to protect yourself through rationality. Especially as regards the tricky subject of the supposed benefactor, one's Master. I suppose this is why, when one is well on the road to being convinced that Maharaji is a trustworthy person from whom you can learn something, it becomes almost impossible to consider the implications of such obvious discrepancies as Maharaji's father not actually being recognised by Sarupanand etc. Also, it becomes harder to consider the other things that point to Knowledge and the Master not being quite so trustworthy. You have only to tell a newcomer to Knowlege that Maharaji, who lives a life of rare luxury and secretiveness, is said to have privately not only sired his brothers wife's child, but has mistresses to boot, and he will run a mile.-(seriously that suggestion has been made on this site more than once - personally I ask myself, even in my most cynical moments, whether this has any relevance to a civilised discussion, but considering that there is always the possibility that these things may be true I see know harm in repeating them as rumours. They are things I have heard enough times, and from different people, to make me uncomfortable-anyway we're grown up now, we can make up our own minds.) As if they weren't put off already, why not add... that he has made mistakes with the lives of his followers (did he not admit this slightly once?) - suggested that premies live as celibate workers for his own ends, saying that they should surrender their lives to him if they knew what was best for them - idolises his own father and is prepared to be less than forthcoming about the facts of the past in order to promote the picture of the past that suits him- Held festivals where he shouted and ranted to the point where his followers trembled for fear of damnation- spawned a generation of developmentally arrested fanatics - drinks and smokes himself silly to relax like anyone else - uses his power to humiliate others in the name of teaching them a lesson etc . It is quite ridiculous to suggest that all the rumours about Maharaji are malicious lies perpetrated by people who are out to blacken Maharaji. They are simply things discussed by people who are interested in knowing more about Maharaji. (That excludes all ostriches.) There is no smoke without fire after all. Maybe God in his infinite wisdom chooses to send his Only Son in such a manner. Maybe collecting devotion is a tricky business, a bit like the war in Yugoslavia, where in exercizing the moral and right cause, there are some inevitable casualties to innocents. Maybe God makes mistakes. Maybe God likes to get his followers to spend their time polishing his fleeet of luxury cars over and over. It's good for their humility. It's an otherwise impossible opportunity for service. Maybe all these bizarre unlikely things point to a trustworthy Maharaji...or maybe not. I've stepped back from the whole thing now and these sorts of considerations keep me from returning. There will always be different perspectives and premies are entitled to theirs. But I do think that theirs is the narrower perspective until they accept that their government may not be telling them the whole picture. In their case, I am not sure that the government has the whole picture to tell them! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:10:08 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: Anon Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: Anon: well done. I do believe that there are some 'crazy wisdom' gurus who do incomprehensible and even,perhaps, (though I doubt it) morally reprehensible actions...BUT they, through their words and/or their effects on their students, demonstrate that they have realized a profound and transcendent understanding of reality. Guru Maharaj Ji has demonstrated nothing. He is a parrot. It's sad. So many who yearn for truth get sidetracked by church or temple or cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:26:10 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: gregg Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: Trancendent of what? What do you think of the makeup of reality? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:41:09 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Anon Subject: nice to hear from you, Anon Message: Well put as usual. I particularly appreciate your effort in understanding and explaining the lineage bullshit. Here's a letter I just emailed to Satpal's site: As a former follower of Prempal Rawat, I wonder if you could answer a few questions I have. How is it that Satpal first determined that his youngest brother was Guru Maharaj Ji and what made him change his mind? This whole issue has plagued me for years. I'd welcome an light you could shed on my confusion. Thanks very much. Sincerely, Jim Heller I figured calling myself confused and asking for some 'light' was my best shot at getting an answer. Back to your post, it's amazingly amazing that Maharaji can post this tepid history with no facility for feedback of any kind. You're right; he says thhat this is all he's figured out 'so far'. Well how's he going to learn anymore if no one can talk to him? Creep. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 00:23:48 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Anon Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: HI Anon, good to see your name. There was only one thing that I thought maybe you could tweak in your comments. Te 'otherwise impossible opportunity for service'. I do know a number of folks that have thier own approaches to 'serving the lord' and it appears to be based on the assumption that a god is aware of them and knows thier thoughts and sees thier heart and therefore they DO have the way to do things for that 'lord'. And no rawat stand in needed! (or other eastern pretender) I know you know this of many people, I'm just reminding. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 06:01:44 (EDT)
From: Anon Email: None To: KB Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: Yes KB, I know many people feel that they are serving God in their own personal ways. Of course as a premie, polishing Maharaji's brothers Lamborghini Contache, felt to me like service at the time. We had to prepare a garage for his cars in Reigate, UK. Raja ji himself had an enviable collection of cars. He also had a Range Rover with all the possible accoutrements. Maharaji had dozens of collectable cars stored in a special 'facility' in the Sussex countryside. I believe there was a Jensen Interceptor there, a Mercedes Pullman ..I can't remember them all. But now it seems bizarre that we all got roped in to maintain Maharaji's families luxurious lifestyle, not just because we were, mostly, extremely impecunious by comparison, but more because those two's brothers penchant for fast flash cars so worryingly resembled the gaudy, unsophisticated displays of wealth that were commonly put on in London, by blatantly unspiritual Indian 'Neauveau Riche' kids, whose gross playboy lifestyles revealed much about their lack of education or refinement. I have a friend who has lived in India for many years and is very knowledgeable about Indian culture and religion, both in India and abroad. (He is currently doing a doctorate in Hindu studies or something in London) Anyway, he says that when Indians get money they always become like kids, very unsophisticated, and they love it! More so than anyone! and, despite all their talk of moderation and spirituality (which all goes temporarily out of the window), they are unable to resist being over the top. Hence the fat gold chains, fast cars, white blonde women (where possible) ie they are very proud of their wealth and imagine naively that others will be impressed. In other words, Maharaji and his brother Raji ji played exactly to script when they arrived in the West. They revelled in the playboy stuff just like Indians do, and probably went a bit too far for their own good. My guess is that the seeds of the empire which they sowed in the 70's have grown into trees which will keep them and their large families in clover for years to come, largely thanks no doubt to the concerted efforts of the more professional of their dedicated servants in putting together succesful businesses. I am sure Maharaji still plays the big boss to the hilt, and feels that he has fairly earned his current status and experience. Look at his website, gone is the naive kid riding on the wave of his more sophisticated western followers. Now he is the proud author of his own website (graphics and all) and proud moreover to find himself, at forty one, having a fairly broad knowledge of computers, aviation, cars etc. etc.. broader knowledge indeed than any other one of his individual followers possibly. Of course all this education has been made possible to him only by virtue of the consistent support of premies over the years. If there is an urge within him to 'give a little back' to those who helped him, I imagine that he feels that he has already done so a million fold through the gift of Knowledge. I don't think Maharaji thinks of himself particularly as the product of a concerted effort by premies. I think he is so thoroughly immersed now in his activities that he feels quite the brilliant self-made man - er..Master. Naturally this is also what premies, as a collective force, have effectively striven to achieve. They have always sought to enable their Master (through making all possible resources available to him) to become the master of as many other areas of life as he desires. Hence he shines even brighter as the Jewel in the Crown of their lives. There is an equation whose sum is Maharaji, and the components of that equation are gradually becoming clearer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 12:51:45 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Anon Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: Your posts contribute mightily to the 'components becomeing clearer'. I'm glad I mentioned that since it got you to post a big one. What can I say that would trigger another I wonder. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 15:17:00 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Anon Subject: continuing Marks thread Message: I agree with KB, these posts are excellent! And please post more whenever you can! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 07:16:32 (EDT)
From: Dan Email: None To: Anth,Victoria,Liz,Jim Subject: Decision Making Message: Anth,Victoria,Liz,Jim Thanks all for your replies. Sorry I did not respond but I only get on the internet occasionaly and have just read your posts. Some good advice - but I still feel embarassed. What's worse, though, is my lack of confidence in being able to pick the right path through life. It was a big mistake that wasted 20 years of my life going down a dead end - but I can't blame Maharaji, as I said before there are thousands out there offering you all sorts of lifestyles and paths to happiness. I made the decision and it does not bode well for my judgement. One of the after affects of the premie experience is my current inability to make any decisions about how to live. Although I still hope that there is a 'right' path I do not trust my perspicacity. All this over 10 years after dropping out. Anth - sorry no journey. Glad to hear that you could talk your son out of getting knowledge. Also you say 'you see, I was tripping at Glastonbury in 71 when this flying saucer landed behind our tent and this golden boy got out...the next thing I knew it was 1983, I was married, living in Brixton with two kids and in a cult...' I think I was probably in the next tent and ended up the same way. Liz - Goodness Gracious Me is a comedy sketch show based on the experiences of the children of Asian who came to live in England. It often satirises the traditions and religious superstitions of the older generation - and is often very funny. Jim - are you related to W.C.Fields? Victoria - I agree that drinking GM's bathwater is more embarrassing than sex. May you all have a happy life (what's left of it) Desperate Dan Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 06:04:09 (EDT)
From: Me not Him Email: HE dosn't have one, listed. To: Everyone Subject: {{{ M }}} Site... !!!!!!! Message: Maharaji attended St. Joseph's Academy in Dehra Dun, India. He later graduated as an airline transport pilot and holds a number of pilot type ratings on jet airplanes and helicopters. Maharaji has advanced skills in computer graphics, computer-aided design, and the development of aviation software. He has invented a number of aviation related applications and products and a watch for which a patent is pending. He is also a successful private investor and has contributed to the success of several startup companies in various industries, including software. ____________Separator___________________________________ Academy? At the age of 9? Paid to get a fun time learning to fly. {No big deal} And get a load of this, HE also said, I am also a successful private, 'he doesn’t trust to work it with someone else?', investor bla bla, ::: Well, invest in an effort on your part to talk to We the people, not creatures or creators , BUT, PEOPLE JUST LIKE, YOU! {And yes I did enjoy shouting.} And M, tell everyone that you made a mistake up until today that you are no more special or different than they are. I think you know what I really mean. Please, Comment on the above, the above, above the ___Separator____ is from {{{M}}} Site on the Web. Can you believe that stuff, the way it is put together. ---COMMENT--- Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 08:23:17 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Me not Him Subject: {{{ m}}} Shit Message: Notice that the list of accomplishments does not include 'giving people 'THAT' experience'. 1) Taking people from darkness to light 2) Bringing peace to the world. 3) Bringing people to 'the infinite stage'. 4) 'I am in permenant god conciousness' 5) 'I am in the infinite stage' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 09:02:41 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Me not Him Subject: M dances for X/3 Message: HA HA HA HA HA HA He is also a successful private investor and has contributed to the success of several startup companies in various industries, including software While I truly enjoyed the debate of whether or not M reads the X forum, the delightful ditty above is proof positive. Bet there's been a whole lot of shakin goin on. Look at Donald Delaski, he made sure his name was removed from Amtext for Fiscal Year 99. Anybody have any fresh ideas on how to make M dance a bit more for us? I for one hope that every time he and his droids look at their watches they remember Nellie's watch. Gotta run, there's an article in our local paper concerning Reverend Lyons conviction for using church funds to subsidize his lover's home and jewelry. xo, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 09:50:04 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Rawat and Jossi Subject: Good FireWalls Message: Maharaji has advanced skills in computer graphics, computer-aided design, and the development of aviation software. Well I don't know about Rawat's skills in computer graphics but I'll be the first to attest that his follower Jossi Fresco of Fire Man is. (While your there check out his acknowledgement to his Master in 'About Jossi'.) He's had to erect a few firewalls recently but like I said, he's talented. In fact I'm certain he can gather a few testimonials from other sites he's involved with.... oh right, VisionsInternational.org and of course the infamous Glyanix Company. What do you think folks? Is it M or Jossi that's the advanced graphics person? xo, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:02:30 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Good Grief Message: Jossi emailed me once. I assumed it was a she. She/he lives in miami area and thinks she can judge her neighbors and make broad based comments about them. She/he lives in a expensive neighborhood (jossi felt compelled to admit that), and made typical premie style comments. You know, whatever rawat has been saying lately. josi jose ended her e mail with some misunderstood kabir quote that she leaned on like it had some dramatic 'SEE!' which was ridiculous. I didn't bother to remail. But I will bookmark her site and write some. jessi's qoute of the month is such a fraud line... 'I love the space between the breaths' AS IF. pretense abounds in the cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:37:46 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: KB Subject: Good Grief Message: Hey KB, Oh Oh, sorry to burst the gender bubble. Your friend appears to be a he unless there was an operation we don't know about;-) Only Rob or his hairdresser really knows for sure! His site is out of Boca Raton. xo, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 00:01:03 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Mare Subject: Good Grief Message: What? what? Hey I may wear a kilt oft times, but I dinna toss nobodies caber but ma own. Mare, I never met the man/woman. Anyone can Finger a web site.. look, it's easy: (my censorship, don't want to give the poor man/woman hell) Registrant: Jossi Fresco (WORKAREAS-DOM) xxxx Military Trail Boca Raton, FL 33496 US Domain Name: WORKAREAS.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Fresco, Jossi (JF5385) jossi@TECHNOLOGIST.COM (805) xxx xxxx Billing Contact: Fresco, Jossi (JF5385) jossi@TECHNOLOGIST.COM (805) xxx xxxx Record last updated on 19-Jul-98. Record created on 06-Jul-98. Database last updated on 6-Jun-99 08:09:08 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS2.9NETAVE.COM 216.xxx.2.2 NS3.9NETAVE.COM 216.xxx.2.3 Rob, slightly worse for a few drams! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 08:26:54 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Rob Subject: Good Grief Message: Rob, Now you're gonna make people paranoid;-) Go easy on the fingerin, whois, etc. Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 15:44:01 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Mare Subject: Good Grief Message: Better if I go easy on the scotch! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:10:41 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Rob has a MJ site? Message: Who is Donald Delaski? Also, does Rob have a M site? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:47:35 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Gail Subject: Donald D? Message: Hi Gail, From what I've gathered he is quite a successful business man. Perhaps some other ex-es can fill you in on their relationship with him as a premie. I think he was a Satsang Exempt PAM. At any rate, here is his company web site: The Donald And following is info pertaining to his being a Director with Execucorp. Please note the AMTEXT Suite is getting quite crowded seeing as the VP of Execucorp has moved in. Help me out here NIM, we have AMTEXT, EV, and now the VP of Execucorp located in Suite 200 on Biscayne Blvd, Miami. NUM: 845538 ST:DE ACTIVE/FOREIGN PROF FLD: 03/21/1980 LAST: NAME CHANGE AMENDMENT NAME : EXECUCORP, INC. PRINCIPAL: 516 N PENNSFIELD PL CHANGED: 04/08/94 ADDRESS STE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91360 US MAILING : P.O. BOX 1437 CHANGED: 03/15/93 ADDRESS THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91358-0437 US RA NAME : MARGULIES, ALICIA I RA ADDR : 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD STE 200 MIAMI, FL 33181 US ANN REP : (1997) BY 05/21/97 (1998) BY 04/17/98 (1999) AN 03/10/99 CORP NUMBER: 845538 CORP NAME: EXECUCORP, INC. TITLE: Secretary NAME: ADLER, WENDY 516 N PENNSFIELD PL STE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA TITLE: PTD NAME: JOHN K. BALE 516 N PENNSFIELD PL STE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA TITLE: D NAME: DELASKI, DONALD 8280 GREENSBORO DR STE 300 MCLEAN, VA TITLE: VP NAME: ALICIA L. MARGUILES 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD., STE. 200 MIAMI, FL TITLE: D NAME: JACOBS, ROBERT A. ONE CHASE MANHATTAN PLZ NEW YORK, NY TITLE: AS NAME: HOLLE, MARY E. 516 N PENNSFIELD PL STE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA xo, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 23:56:52 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob has a MJ site? Message: Hi Rob, I once surfed onto an e-mail Maharaji site. Naturally, I sent him an e-mail requesting the whereabouts of my grandmothers watch. Gosh, the family reunion is getting close. He never replied. At any rate, what do you think of this approach? I was persuaded to contribute Nellie's Gold Watch to an 'Indian' Guru. Now, the way I see it, technically I was an 'Indian Giver'. If you get a chance to e-mail him, please let him know I would like to know what happened to it or get it back. Hey what's the guy expect - he's the ultimate 'Indian Giver'. Let's just clear the deck and be honest. If it was smelted down in India or England fine. I understand that 'Private Investors' have peculiar ways of raising 'Seed Money' and Maharaji's methods have topped the bar of peculiarity. |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 02:35:34 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gail Subject: Rob has a MJ site? Message: No Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 09:55:41 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Rob Subject: No what? Message: No, you don't have a web site? No, you won't email him about the watch? No, you don't think this 'private investor' has a peculiar way of raising venture capitol? No, the gold was not melted down in England or India? So, Robbo... no what? M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 13:00:11 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Mare Subject: No what? Message: Sorry, 'no' was meant to go under Gail's question, does Rob have an M site. PS Thanks for the watch, it goes great with my waistcoat!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 15:00:11 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Rob Subject: No what? Message: Such a sensitive man! Isn't it time for your short walk off a long pier? L, M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 14:35:57 (EDT)
From: Fred Email: None To: Me not Him Subject: {{{ M }}} Site... !!!!!!! Message: I know for a fact that m DID attend St. Joseph's Academy in Dehradun until he came to the U.K. when he was thirteen. When he was twelve I used to wait for him to come home from St. Joseph's and visit Prem Nagar Ashram in Haridwar, not far from M's home in Dehradun. Fred Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 14:59:25 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Fred Subject: St. Joesph's Academy Message: My cousin visited St. Joesph's Academy in the 80's and asked the Headmaster about Maharaji. The Headmaster said that Maharaji was a spoiled brat. Also, I was in email contact with a student from S.J.A. and asked him if he knew of Maharaji. He replied that he did not know who he was. No hometown hero, I guess. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 19:36:54 (EDT)
From: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: St. Joesph's Academy Message: That's fascinating info there, Roger. As you know, I run a strict Christian school here and none of the pupils would be allowed the kind of privilages that Rawat Jnr was allowed. At my academy, pupils are up at 6 am sharp for a cold shower and early morning prayers before scrubbing the place spotless and preparing my breakfast. I don't think Rawat Jnr would have survived such a holy regeme. Did you notice my latest sermon below about the destruction of the library hall temple? Perhaps you'd like to add it to your ecclesiastical web site like the others. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 01:13:35 (EDT)
From: DREK Email: None To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Subject: Sermons online at Drek! Message: Rev. Hammond-Smyth, fear not. Your esteemed sermons are automatically added to Roger's House of Maharaji Drek Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 08:26:39 (EDT)
From: KK Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: St. Joesph's Academy Message: Years after I left the cult I remet a by then ex-premie who went to school with MJ in Dehra Dun. He said he'd received K to check it out because when he'd last known MJ at school (they were actually in the same class), he'd been a total little shit. Friendless little pet. I've also met some other people who remember the family from Dehra Dun as colourless, classless and unholy, in the true sense of the word. fascinating trivia I'd forgotten until this post jogged my memory. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 03:32:39 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Rob, I confess Message: JM said: I'm into underlining that watching that sort of brilliant spot for hours, like you and me did, without blinking, is ALSO a very powerful trick used to hypnotize people. Rob answered: OK, I see where you are headed with this. I think you are clutching at straws, trying to make a case for the prosecution where none exists, but good luck with it. BTW, speak for yourself about the non-blinking bit. Of course I blink, it's a normal eye function. If you really did force yourself to watch for hours without blinking, it's no wonder you became a bit unhinged; brainwashed, even, but it was self-inflicted. Why don't we listen to him, watching him casually like you do in any other circumstance? I remember seeing some people years ago staring, eyes transfixed on the stage, maybe you were one of them. Speaking for myself, which is something you really should have a go at, I was never that rigid - makes your neck stiff and your eyes bug out. Sure, I concentrate, more so than if it was just someone up there reading the weather report, but then he is my teacher and I've gone there with the intent of trying to learn and understand something more. I do agree that you should seek professional advice, but we probably differ as to the exact purpose of your visit. I've watched and stared at M for hours, and I've been looking for this so much that I went to India dozens of times to have an opportunity to do so. M's offered me that possibility (like to so many other lucky premies and pams) numerous times. I'm now aware of the damage this may cause to susceptible persons (like me), that's why I've already spent years with a professional to debunk that BS. I'm over with it, and my simple advice is: wear sun-glasses and don't watch him too much if you go see him! As his address doesn't make much sense beside the fascination and 'that experience' that might be triggered, you'll understand what the m & k trip is all about! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 12:52:00 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: M.I.B. Message: Jean-Michel, I just had this hilarious vision of all the premies turning up at the next event wearing dark sunglasses! Sort of a 'Men in Black' convention, or maybe Blues Brothers? I think 'don't watch him too much if you go see him' is a pretty neat oxymoron too. I'm sorry to hear you really did spend years in therapy, I shouldn't have made fun of that. Hope you are feeling more normal now. This 'visual hypnosis' idea is pretty original, I'll be interested to see how far you get with it. I'll watch your space for updates. Take care, Rob l'ecosse. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 09:54:22 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Rob Subject: Focus on the form of .... Message: remember that song? What is k about, beside focusing on M, externally, and internally? any idea? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 22:09:03 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: 'Focus on the form of .... Message: ...Guru Maharaji Always remember his every word is Holy' I really loved this song. Still do. And anyone who thinks M just claims to be a meditation teacher should hear the words of this song. And like Arti, the intrumental version is still played at programs. Another snippet from the lyrics:- 'Always pranam to the supreme power, the SatGuru' Great lyrics, eh? John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:59:40 (EDT)
From: Wonderfulman Email: None To: Everyone Subject: We're all gonna die so I think Message: we should all try to have the most wonderful experience that we can while we are alive. No sense in fighting about who's who in the spiritual realm or or earth now for that matter. There will always be two sides, been that way since forever. So just in case the morning bus has your name on it (if you step in front of it, for example), revel in being alive however you do it. That's what it's all about, revelling in being alive. If posting here is what turns you on, go for it. If getting up from your computer and going to the beach is it, go for it. And so forth. By joyfully entering into your desires and fulfilling them, you will eventually come to the realization that the everlasting joy is and always was inside of you. This is not an endorsement of Mahraji or anything he does or says. That is your choice. But for the sake of all the cells in your body that call you God, give them their heaven while you can. Love yourself. Love, Wonderfulman Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 08:36:40 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Wonderfulman Subject: wonder Message: Thinking there is everlasting joy inside is one thing, but even the lord m has not been able to link into it and stay out of human nature and our unstoppable tendency to get effected by all the other types of feelings. Attitude can be the key to having some control but no one seems able to use any trick to avoid the less desirable feelings completely. m and his family thought (among other things) that feeling the breath was the be all and end all. But, they themselves couldn't stop themselves from self destructing. Your attitude is good but the everlasting joy commment brought up a good issue. how do you do it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 09:53:16 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: KB Subject: wonder Message: Loving yourself and going to the beach is a good idea. Making someone else happy by taking them to the beach is a good idea too. Indulging desires can be good, and so can dropping desires and abiding in space, desireless. None of which has anything at all to do with that grifter guru we all know and love(d). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:22:24 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Kurt Andersen's new book Message: I read a favorable review of Kurt Andersen's new 659-page novel, Turn of the Century in this week's Time. It's supposedly a droll send-up of all sorts of things. Wonder if Maharaji's in there? For any who don't know, Kurt, brother of two long-time premies, David and Erica Andersen, both PAMs or semi-PAMs I believe, wrote an article about Maharaji for The New Yorker that never ran last year. He still has one of my two copies of Who is Guru Maharaj Ji? too, if you're talking to him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:52:53 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: Jim Subject: Kurt Andersen's new book Message: I hadn't heard of his novel, but Kurt Andersen is one of my favorite New Yorker writers. Considering the state of our nation (although I'm thinkin' yer a goldarned furriner, Jim, cuz last month U spelled defense defence [my wife is a defense lawyer]) Andersen's sarcastic wit is not only warranted, but mandated. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:20:06 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: heller@bc1.com To: gregg Subject: Excuse me, gregg Message: I'm a Canadian. That means we can spell it 'defence' or 'defense'. Life's that good. So your wife's a criminal lawyer? Where? Why not email me? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 19:39:17 (EDT)
From: TJ Email: None To: Jim Subject: Kurt Andersen's new book Message: Jim, did you read the article that never ran? Or if his sister Erica lived in San Antonio in the mid seventies? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 20:16:02 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: TJ Subject: Kurt Andersen's new book Message: Jim, did you read the article that never ran? Or if his sister Erica lived in San Antonio in the mid seventies? I didn't read the article as the magazine's policy (fairly standard. I'm told) is to not allow any such thing before publication. I was contacted by a fact checker though as was JW. Both of us were quoted in it. I was reminded of a few bon mots I'd given Kurt (if I don't say so myself) and am deeply chagrined that I didn't get my stab at the fat porker in those hallowed pages. I also spoke with and emailed Kurt a bit about the article. He intimated that, while it was in no way a supportive article of the cult, it wasn't the scathing report any of us might have written. What?? Yeah, that's right. Kurt's focus was apparently on the relief he felt having his brother, Dave, and sister, Erica, 'back' again, in the sense that they could all sit around the table a few times a year and chit chat again. (That was a term of art back in the cult's heyday. Verbotten on pain of spiritual death.) I understood from our conversations that he was slightly intimidated by his siblings into soft-peddling the anti-cult rhetoric or else they'd really be pissed. As I told him in one of my last emails, it's probably a great thing for his career that the article didn't run. He might have been laughed out of Gotham. You know, I can't help but suspect that he did indeed share the article with Erica. Don't know why, I just suspect it. So, without any rational basis, I'm ticked. And I'm also ticked because I kept checking the newstand literally for months after the magazine told me it would run. I don't know where Erica lived but others here do. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 21:44:05 (EDT)
From: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Email: pulpit@church.net To: Everyone Subject: The Lord tears down the temple Message: And the Lord called his closest disciple unto him, his brother who was begotten of the second mother who was the holy mother and when he had assembled this brethren, he sayeth out loud in a stong voice - Verily I say unto you, O children of Prem, thy library halls are an abomination unto mine eyes! And he sent forth his angels who were led by the brother whose name is Raja and they didst go amongst the children of prem and didst tear down their library halls where the immoral practices and video events were held. And throughout the land there was a terror that struck the hearts of the children of prem for their library temples were destroyed before their very own eyes. And I saw the curtain of the library hall rent in two and the vase containing plastic flowers was smashed unto the ground by the emissaries of the great one who's name is Margarini. And there was fear and trepidation in the land of prem but yea, the Lord didst show compassion to his children and sayeth - O ye of little faith, have I not told you of the time that is to come, of the great event that is to dawn upon this land? For verily I say unto you, the time of phase two is at hand and ye shall see the son of man in thine own homes on pay-as-you-go satellite TV. And the children of prem all fell upon their faces and rejoiced saying - Great is he who says he is not God but is. For he ruleth the heavens and satellite systems including cable TV. He delivereth us from QVC and CNN and showeth the way to untold riches of plastic pyramids and Maharaji watches (patent pending). Our Lord is the great giver of the holy scriptures of 'that place' and 'this life' and 'get a life' etc. And he shutteth out the ungodly ones who have not participated for the last six months. How merciful and forgiving is the Lord whose door is always open provided you've not stopped your monthy standing order from your Visa card. And the Lord didst smile upon the children of prem for he saw that it was good (for him). And yea, I saw him taken up unto the heaven of Amaroo in the land of Oz where he sitteth upon his golf cart and reigneth for ever and ever or at least until the tax inspectors caught up with him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:10:17 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Subject: nyuk! Message: nyuk nyuk, woop woop woop Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 03:07:46 (EDT)
From: Moe Email: None To: Curly Subject: nyuk! Message: Sounds like MJ has you by the short and curlies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 08:26:02 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: Moe Subject: nyuk! Message: I'm a victim of ciocumstance! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 13:12:35 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth Subject: The Lord tears down the temple Message: Great sermon, reverend! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 20:53:45 (EDT)
From: Rico Suave Email: None To: Everyone Subject: This site is so busy tonite Message: and that means that you all ain't gettin' laid or partyin' and it's Friday nite, ladies and gentlemen! Why don't all you sorry sons and daughters of life go out and have some fun and quit fixatin' on either side of the issue of Maharaji? Maybe that's why he's the Master, 'cause he's having a good time while we feel the need to process all this minutia. He's not sitting around worryin' about us you him her them it those...why should we? Like my frien' Gloria Estefan sez: 'Get on your feet!' I personally think God loves us all. We all here, right? Now get up and play! This will be here when you get back, I promise. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 21:43:46 (EDT)
From: Instructor Virgilio Email: None To: Premies Subject: Please go to Church Message: Beloved Premies, You should be in your local Church right now. Please don't forget the second collection at your local church is an offering for His Holiness Shri Rawat's second glider. Please ignore the post from Rico. This does not apply to our beloved lemmings of the fold. It applies only to the sharks. The Divine Light Mission was formally established in the United States in 1971 as a nonprofit religious organization and in 1974 was recognized as a church by the United States Internal Revenue Service under IRS Section 501 (C)(B) . Elan Vital was established as a successor organization to the Divine Light Mission in the early 1980s Your Brother in Reverend Rawat's Service, Virgilio C. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 23:37:30 (EDT)
From: Rico Email: None To: Instructor Virgilio Subject: Ju gotta liten up man! Message: Verdadamente, hermano! I am not saying to go and sin sin sin, but for Chirst's sake, go out and have a good time! And this is a premie saying this, man. It's OK. You can go to church later, then you'll have something to confess, dig it! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 14:25:45 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rico Subject: Ju=Jew Is this a slur? (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 15:27:54 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Gail Subject: Ju=Jew Is this a slur?Gail Message: Dear Gail, I think Ju=You in a Latino accent which is still a slur of a differnt kind. This brings to mind the whole political correctness thing and I think to much is made of political correctness and how we've lost a lot of our humor but I hoped this exchange didn't offend anyone. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 09:09:44 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Instructor Virgilio Subject: Church ??? Message: Instructor Virgilio, Whew, it took me a while to find the prior post referring to Elan Vital as a church. Do you know if this is still the case? I went to the site and was quite surprised to find the status was current as of 1998. Naturally, with PWKs saying EV is not a church I was curious to know more. So, I took advantage of the e-mail contact and encourage ex-es to do so themselves. conway@leav-emh.army.mil So Virgilio are you a bishop, deacon, elder....? What's the scoop? Will the Divine Rawat seat be located in Rome too? How are the guys over there? xo, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 10:06:29 (EDT)
From: BOJ Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Church ??? Message: Hi Mary M, Another good way to find out is have one of our soldier's in the Army request a minister from Elan Vital, as they are a global church. Now that would make an interesting story. Soldier requests ev minister but army is unable to locate the Church of EV. Any Volunteers;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:54:46 (EDT)
From: Cinderella Email: None To: Rico Suave Subject: This site is so busy tonite Message: Oh Rico will you teach me how to play and have fun? You see, I am a poor loser chick who hasn't been to a party or gotten laid ever. I sit alone in my lonely room with only my pet mice and this computer as my friend. Please teach me the ways of fun and frolic so that I might be liberated from the prison of my mind? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 23:50:27 (EDT)
From: Rico Email: None To: Cinderella Subject: Cindy baby, you came to the Message: right place! First, about the mice, I don't even want to GO THERE! Just feed 'em and forget 'em for now. They was just practice how to love another creature...now onto bigger and better things and creatures. Like human, aye chihuahua!!! Then, as for the conputer, ju gotta get up and just WALK AWAY FRON IT! Now go take a nice hot shower, hot as you can stand it, soap up all over, then rinse in hot water, apply olive oil, vitamin e oil or something else real good for skin, and then slowly change the water temp to as COLD as you can stand it. This seals up the oil in your pores and really gets your respiratory and circulatory systems jumpin' too! Call a friend, male or female, put on your most happenin' robes and go someplace where you like the music and the vibe. You go for what you like, not for a person. In going for what you like you will run into someone else doing the same thing and BANG! (So to speak, if you catch my drift, my sweet buena hermana.) Happiness for you is waiting for you to find it,and it is closer than your hands or feet. You are love, sweet one. Be who you are. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 23:55:53 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Cinderella Subject: Get real! Message: Cinderalla, Come on. Which would you rather do? Go out and have some fun or sit here and knock your head out arguing with Nil et al? I tink Rico's god sumtin dere. I'm gonna pardy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:09:34 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Get real! Message: 'evening Jimbo! Ju gotta admit - damn he's got me at it now - you have to admit, that Rico stuff is pretty original. Is he new here? Robbo Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 01:04:47 (EDT)
From: Rico Suave Email: None To: Rico Suave Subject: Man, I think mucho persones Message: took my advice 'cause the posting slowed down. Cool! Fresh air, kickin' music, good food, and great friends, what a cure for what ails us! Being alone sometime is good too. Like in the bathroom...but then, oye, sometimes it's nice to have a friend in there wit' you.....Ay carumba! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 12:46:20 (EDT)
From: dweezil Email: None To: Rico Suave Subject: Man, I think mucho persones Message: Noww this is what this site is really for....Good SEX chat! Who wannts to suck a big one? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |