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Forum III Archive # 52 | |
From: Jun 10, 1999 |
To: Jun 19, 1999 |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:12:28 (EDT)
From: CultbusterUK Email: CultbusterUK@yahoo.com To: Everyone Subject: Event in the UK Message: Maharaji has accepted an invitiation to speak at an event in the UK on July 10th-11th. Location not yet known. I think it's a good time to start a rumour that militant exes will seriously disrupt this event. Premies in the UK - be on your guard! CultbusterUK. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 03:50:27 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: CultbusterUK Subject: Event in the UK Message: As soon as I know where the venue is, I'll be onto the local and national press to let them know it's happening and that the boy-god is still very much alive and kicking. I'm sure Maharaji will appreciate all the free publicity he'll get for his good cause. If anyone knows where the program is to be held, please email me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 05:34:42 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Check in Brighton Message: It's very likely it's going to be there, in the big convention center... or anywhere else, maybe you should also check where the past years programs were... good luck! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:15:25 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Check in Brighton Message: I am sure the press would be interested to know that M does not want his premies reading certain sites on the net. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:36:58 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Farewell and adieu Message: To quote 'Tank Girl' Lori Petty: 'It's been swell....but the swelling's gone down!' Rob's tour of duty is over. Enjoy the rest of your lives, people. Rob. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:38:38 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: There goes another one Message: just like the other one. Alas! Oh well. Isn't there a premie out there that wants to talk with us... honestly? No? Oh well...... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:48:04 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jim- hes baiting you cause you Message: didnt answer his question . 'Are you or are you not involved in legal action against M.' It is down below somewhere above my 'Bingo' See, he bragged to one of the Illustrious Ones at the club one night that he would try to find out this info. He waited until the tension got just right and slid the question in with a bunch of other issues , hoping you would roll out some clue to him. Maybe you were sleeping?? So its all you fault that Rob is going get teased by the Gals from Lap Land. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 20:42:21 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Jim Subject: There goes another one Message: I was going to leave but might hang around for the jokes and insults. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 20:50:19 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: William Subject: There goes another one Message: No insults. Glad to see you here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:13:21 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Gail Subject: There goes another one Message: Thanks Gail. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:47:02 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Farewell and adieu Message: Since you are graduating your self, what is your valdictorian speech? Did you enlarge your perspective during your stay? I think it would only be natural that you would mention to raja ji that some ex's claim that his brother fathered his first kid. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 13:01:23 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: KB Subject: Farewell and adieu Message: Hi KB, You got any kids yourself? Anth the down to earth. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:40:52 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: AJW Subject: hello Message: Hi Anth, speaking of down to earth, I am buried alive having 4 guys here. 7,9,17,21. Plus grandma and one kid 17 who comes here at the crack of dawn and has breakfast and hangs out till school and stays for dinner quite often.(freind). Plus one LARGE cat. I dont think it can get any bigger, but we are trying to break records here with the cat I guess. In england there is a guy who grew a 17 foot carrot SIDEWAYS in a gutter. got to go to work:) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:00:59 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: KB Subject: hello Message: Hi KB, You sound like you've got your hands full. The reason I asked was because I was searching for a way to get through to you without starting an argument. Your post prompted a reaction in me, which I've had before with similar posts. I spent a lot of time with Maharaji and Marolyn's children when they were young and I was their teacher, and have kept in touch one way or the other over the years and feel, as individuals, that I have some kind of relationship with them all. I also spent time with Navi when she was small, and got to know her too. In spite of the crazy world they live in, they all seem to be nice kids. I'll give you an example, years ago my kids were invited down to the residence for the day. They were all curious about each other to some degree or other. Hansi, Wadi and Daya were all really naturally friendly and hospitable to my own children. They didn't freak out when Tim and Luke wanted to play with their toys. They were really good kids. In the classroom I got on well with them all too. Knowing them, I wouldn't be surprised if they read the Forum from time to time. So, I think when rumours like the one that surfaced in your post appear, if Navi or her sister, or Wadi or Hansi or Daya read it, what effect will it have on them? That's partly why I asked if you'd got children, so you could relate to this kind of thing. The other thing about it KB is, even if it is true, so what? I really beleive that people's sex lives are their private business, who ever they are. What's the big deal. This stuff clounds up the issues I think. Anyway KB, I'm not trying to have a go at you, just taking the opportunity to express my opinion on a matter. Take care, I should send you a sign we had on our wall for a few years, it says: Teenagers, tired of being bossed around by your stupid parents. Act now. Leave home. Get a job. Pay your own bills. While you still know everything. I'm rushing off to Cornwall, so I won't be able to respond to any posts for a few days. have a good weekend everybody. Anth the Fisherman who only catches colds. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 05:50:21 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: AJW Subject: hello Message: Hi AJW That post of your above is very sensitive. I flinch when I see that referred to. Knowing young adults, they would be inquisitive and may be on the net. I hope if they have read it they are ok. If you all are reading this, just keep in mind that those were crazy dayze and most of the forum doesnt hold anything against you. Even if you do have nice cars :-) If you have been upset, go talk to Marolyn-OK? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:53:12 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Farewell and adieu Message: Rob, Hey, I've just posted a reply to you below. Please respond before retiring! John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:06:54 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Need Advice Message: Hey All, Does anyone know how I should deal with this jerk who keeps sending me unsolicited porno sites? This has been happening a bit too often. Also, I noted the time and date it was sent, interesting. I've reported him to MSN and of course their webmaster. Naturally, my attorney will have copies of all the e-mails, my replies to be removed... and anything else he needs! Thanks, Mary M Following is the info: Site Info I chased down Registrant: CyberRealm (CYBERREALM2-DOM) xxxx Shady Grove Rd., Suite 50 Rockville, MD 20850 Domain Name: CYBERREALM.NET Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cobb, Dustin (DC320) dcobb@CYBERREALM.NET xxx xxx xxxx(FAX) xxx xxx xxxx Billing Contact: Bertman, Bruce (BB94-ORG) bbertman@HQ.CYBERREALM.NET 301.947.0100 Fax- 301.947.0909 Domain servers in listed order: > If you want to be removed please send to: mailto:extreme34@pmail.net |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:18:10 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mary M Subject: Need Advice Message: Dear Mary, Well isn't this the strangest thing. I got the SAME email a week or so ago and just deleted it, didn't do anything else and haven't heard from them again! I wonder if anyone else here got it, if they got our addresses from here, sorry barney, don't mean to upset you but I couldn't help but wonder. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:46:18 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Robyn Subject: All the players Message: Hi Robyn, Thanks for the info. This is the only site on the entire web where my e-mail was posted. Here's the lowdown on the ISP provider and associates. I report all of it to my ISP as well as my attorney. Here are the players: Registrant: CyberRealm (CYBERREALM2-DOM) 15825 Shady Grove Rd., Suite 50 Rockville, MD 20850 Domain Name: CYBERREALM.NET Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Cobb, Dustin (DC320) dcobb@CYBERREALM.NET xxx xxx xxxx (FAX) xxx xxx xxxx Billing Contact: Bertman, Bruce (BB94-ORG) bbertman@HQ.CYBERREALM.NET XXXXXFax- XXXXX Record last updated on 18-Mar-99. Record created on 10-Mar-96. Database last updated on 16-Jun-99 08:12:31 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CYBERREALM.NET 206.132.47.10 NS2.CYBERREALM.NET 206.132.47.11 Following is where the unsubscribe is sent to: Domain Name: PMAIL.NET Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Whittle, Andy (AW7257) anw@WORLDTELECOM.CO.UK xxxxxx Billing Contact: Whittle, Andy (AW7257) anw@WORLDTELECOM.CO.UK xxxxxxx Love, M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:06:39 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Robyn Subject: email spam advice Message: Well, this is pretty common and there isn't much you can do about it except be careful. You'll notice that the timestamp of the mail is twelve (12) hours ahead of the U.S. which means it's coming from a time zone somewhere west of the International Dateline (Asia, Australia, etc.) It's slightly possible that some webbot is mining ex-premie.org or House of Drek and if you have your email address posted it might get nabbed. However, more likely is that they've mined some other site like your ISP where they might have a list of all the users and their email addresses. It's also possible that if your login name is on a public list at your ISP they can easily construct the email address from that. It's also possible that your email address is on a bulk list that is bought and sold. If you've posted on a newsgroup without concealing your email address in your email account options that is a possible and likely source, as well. If you are running MS Outlook Express you can goto the menu bar Tools, Accounts, News (tab), select your News account(s) and click the Properties button. Look at the General tab entry labeled 'E-mail address' and make sure that it is bogus. You DO NOT want that to be your real email address. Also please note that most browsers do not broadcast your email address. Some of the older or off-brand browsers might though. Somewhere on the web is a page that will tell you whether your browser broadcasts the email address. I'm fairly certain that Microsoft IE 3.n, 4.n, and 5.n do not. Probably the same is true for Netscape. Finally, it's best to have a throw away email account on Hotmail or Yahoo if you need to supply your email address to some webpage or webstore. Once too much spam starts showing up you abandon the account and create a new one. Lastly and getting paranoid, it might be possible that if you have posted your email address here at the Forum and you have made some enemies maybe they submitted your address. I don't know where you'd submit an address so it's a bit remote. I wonder what Maharaji does when he gets such spam. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:09:59 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: barney Subject: check out www.abuse.net Message: www.abuse.net Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:17:39 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: barney Subject: email spam advice Message: Dear Barney, Thanks hon. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 08:31:58 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: barney Subject: email spam advice Message: Well, this is pretty common and there isn't much you can do about it except be careful. Hi Barney, I know this is pretty common. But, there are quite a bit of actions I can take to stop it. I just heard from my ISP that they have traced and notified the offender. They are sending me all the necessary information to pursue a lawsuit. Also, even though I'm averse to civil suits, I have no qualms in filing criminal charges, nor does my attorney. I am careful and the wimp that's been bothering me via the net and phone needs to read up on the local 'Stalking Laws'. I include myself, when it comes to my tenacity of protecting women and children from 'doormat stompers'. L, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:43:36 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mary M Subject: The site sucks anyway Message: Mary, There's nothing special about that site, nor is it free. If you're asking my advice I'd say don't give them your credit card number. Or, if you do, just sign up for a trial subscription. Really, there's better stuff out there. Have you seen Katie's page yet? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:48:37 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Jim Subject: The site sucks anyway Message: Hi Jim, I'll trust your judgement;-) As a woman it's difficult to explain some of the feelings an unsolicited e-mail like that one evokes. You are kidding about Katie's site aren't you? L, M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:57:38 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mary M Subject: The site sucks anyway Message: Dear Mary, 'As a woman it's difficult to explain some of the feelings an unsolicited e-mail like that one evokes.' You know it! I even got an unsolicited email about a spiritually leaning web site and I was freaked out and asked a man I know to check it out for me! He said it was a good site and I still haven't checked it out. It is a bit unsettling. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:06:33 (EDT)
From: Mary m Email: None To: Robyn Subject: The site sucks anyway Message: Dear Robyn (my friend in Pennsylvania), I got that e-mail also. This is interesting. One thing I've notice is some of the subtler 'Premie Men' coming to X often appeal to the x-womens sense of nurturing to slip on in and try to gain a sense of trust with us. Could be a technique (e-mail) to intimidate us. Who knows? If it's an x well ... I don't want any e-mails of this type! If it was a premie (that sent the e-mails) and participates on the Forum we don't need to worry too much as Jim usually tears down their 'house of cards' with one or two eensy puffs of logic. Love, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:23:35 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mary m Subject: The site sucks anyway Message: Dear Mary, Well the plot thickens, I wonder if other women or men here got the same ones we did. I think I've recieved 2 money making onew recently as well, never got any of this stuff before! I think one of the money ones was to another email that I don't think I have ever posted anywere. I have only posted an email address here and once I signed up for membership at thepark.com but never used it but I did put my address there. Could be as barney said too, where thepark may have solded its address list like happens with junk mail. Dunno. Love, your friend in PA, Robyn :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:11:03 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Robyn & Barney Subject: The site sucks anyway Message: Hi Robyn & Barney, Well I'll certainly take Barney's advice but I can be a bit of an obstinate Irish woman. I have the knowledge and equipment to track this right back to the sender. Then I shall duly post his/her name here if it turns out to be a PWK;-) Love, Mare ... your friend in Florida Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:22:49 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Update Message: Wow, I'm getting apologies from all over the world. This is interesting. I'll keep you posted. Love, mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:40:14 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Need Advice Message: Hi Mary - My mom is on AOL and very often gets sex spam like this - so do other people I know on AOL (someone who works there is probably selling that list). If you have a large ISP, the same thing might be happening to you. Also, I used to always get unsolicited sex spam, and figured it happened to everyone. It turned out that someone else was using my computer to look at sex sites and the sites were trapping for e-mail addresses! Take care - Love, Katie (your friend in Ohio) P.S. I don't have a site, honestly (Jim, I love you, honey!), but has anyone checked out Mili's Tripod site lately?! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:57:20 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Katie Subject: Need Advice Message: Thanks for the reply Katie. I'm having fun tracking it all the way to the source and every ISP associated with the source. Oh well, sometimes I turn into a chiphead. Love, mare< Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:17:18 (EDT)
From: gery Email: None To: Katie Subject: Need Advice Message: It turned out that someone else was using my computer to look at sex sites and the sites were trapping for e-mail addresses! Uh huh, yeah, sure, right Katie. What ever you say. :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:25:09 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: gery Subject: Need Advice Message: Unfortunately, Gerry, it's true... BTW, I actually do not have a problem with people looking at sex sites - I am just not all that interested. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:45:33 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Need Advice Message: Dear Mary, Shady Grove Rd. in Rockville, MD is right down the street from me, but I swear it's not me!!! I can go by their office and do some investigating if you'd like! Good luck getting rid of it Love Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 11:35:26 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Helen Subject: Helen :-) Message: Hi Helen, I know it's not you! Love, Mary M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:41:08 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Helen :-) Message: Well you know I'm a lapdancing deprogrammer for God now, so who knows that could be a new sideline for me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:37:03 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: OARANGE & Barry T Subject: Let Me Make this Message: Perfectly Clear. OARANGE - Do not e-mail me with such material again. Barry T - Do not phone again. Get over your incredulousness that I can't be bought no matter how big the offer or prestigious the company. Sincerely, Mary M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:40:15 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: glyng@techline.com To: Mary M Subject: Let Me Make this Message: Mary, What in the world is going on here? Someone is trying to bribe you??? To do (or not do) what??? Can you say? Publicly or privately? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 15:03:18 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Let Me Make this Message: Hi Gerry, Oarange person is one individual who snagged my e-mail from ex-premie org and sends unsolicited e-mail of a nature I don't care to go into here. Barry, is a corporate recruiter, with ties to various corporate orgs which have ties to premies. I happen to have a set of highly marketable technical skills. Barry started turning into a nuisance so I did my homework on him and the company he works for. No, I'm not being bribed, but I certainly don't want a 'consulting position' where I'd be compromising my values. This post was to kill two birds with one stone! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:25:29 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Jean-Michel-Everything I own Message: Dear JM: This was not an original premie song. This particular version was done by Boy George in 1988 and produced by Stewart Levine on a compilation CD called Hot Jammin. Maybe someone else knows who did the original. EVERYTHING I OWN You sheltered me from harm. You kept me warm. You kept me warm. You gave my life to me. You set me free. You set me free. Of all the years I ever knew-- Those final ones I spent with you. I would give everything I own. Give up my life, My heart, My home. I would give everything own. Just to have you back again. You taught me how to cry. I don't know why. Just don't know why. You told those lies to me. You set me free. You set me free. Of all the years I ever knew-- Those final ones I spent with you. I would give everything I own. Give up my life, My heart, My home. I would give everything own Just to have you back again. Just to hold you once again. If there's someone you know. And won't let you go. And taking it All for granted. You may lose them one day. Someone takes them away. And you don't hear a word they say. I would give everything I own. Give up my life, My heart, My home. I would give everything own-- Just to have you back again. Just to hold you once again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:15:57 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: katabria@apk.net To: Gail Subject: I know!!! I know!!! Message: That song was written by David Gates, and originally recorded by his band, 'Bread'. So... Whuddideye win??... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 05:36:39 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Gail Subject: Great, Gail! Message: I loved that one, specially after he danced..... I guess we've sang it for years at the end of the programs! When did this start? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 07:14:42 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Great, Gail! Message: I think it was March, 1977 in Montreal. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:32:50 (EDT)
From: JB Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: Howdy pardners, Before I head off into the sunset away from this lonesome outpost of wit and charm, I thought y'all might enjoy a tasty sampler of the welcome received by people who don't think exactly like y'all do. Enjoy it. Jim to William - 'Fuck you, asshole!!!' Gerry to William - 'William, are you brain damaged, by any chance?' Powerman to Sandra - Stupid fucking bitch, never wearing anything too colorful or revealing, hair tied in a neat, little bun, folding your clothes, good little German, it isn't easy to have a shit in the morning when you have a big stick impaled three feet up your ass.' JF to Rob - 'You're a slimeball.' 'You're pathetic, a shameless liar' 'You're a fuckbrain liar, and I swear I'm going to shove this up your ass!!' Powerman on Sandra - ' I look at my table, and there's all this vomit and bile. And I look at Sandra, and it's dripping off her lips and chin. And she's trying to suck and lick it back into her mouth, lest someone notice. And she mutters 'Fuck you' as she's dragging this crap back into her mouth. Fuck you, Sandra. And fuck your stupid, lying guru. Take your sack of shit and sell it somewhere else.' Jim to Rob - 'Fuck you, asshole!!!' Powerman to Sandra - 'You're a fucking idiot. Beat it.' Jim to Denise - 'Denise, you're pathetic.' Jim to Rob - Rob, you're pathetic.' Jim to Sandra - Sandra, you're pathetic.' Powerman to Sandra - 'Premies were assholes. I think if you really practised knowledge like Guru Maharaj Ji said, you were an asshole, too.' Powerman to Rob - 'You're pathetic, Rob. Just pathetic.' Gerry to Sandra - 'So Sandra, show us your tits!!!' Jim to Sandra - 'go fuck yourself' Boy, y'all know how to treat a lady! And now, some quotes from the experts on Maharaji and knowledge... Gerry- 'I think I heard him speak Three or four times. He was boring and practically incomprehensible.' Mike on Maharaji - 'He wasn't a leader, he was a jack-booted nazi.' JF, reporting on events - 'How many people attend, whatever m has to say...it'll be one mahafuckbrain talking to a bunch of mini fuckbrains.' Powerman - 'You're guru is ugly, and what he does is ugly.' Mary M - 'M is a bigot' Robyn - 'I never got anything out of music' Nigel - 'But if meditation is any kind of switch, it would have to be a dimmer-switch - simply reducing your awareness of the outside world by degrees. No instant transportation' ' And I wouldn't be surprised if the place you eventually end up is much the same as what the early psychologist William James called the 'buzzing blooming confusion' experienced by newborn infants.' Katie - 'I never was able to meditate very successfully' Jerry - 'For me meditation is no big whoop. I am aware of nothing cosmic, spiritual, or mystical that meditation can provide.' Sir Dave - 'Personally though, I wouldn't practise it because any light I see gives me a headache and makes me dizzy and sick' AJW - 'Knowledge is snot' And finally, Marianne - 'The information I have learned here has soured me on him completely.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:49:43 (EDT)
From: Contrary Mary Email: None To: JB Subject: Happy Trails to You Message: Hey JB, You can start your own 'House of JB'. Man, were you around when Cat & Nil posted quite descriptive .... shall we say clinical diagnosis of my 'Well Women Exam'? Yeah, now there's two guys who know how to treat a lady. They're the type that keep their speculums in the freezer;-) as well they should! Oooh, and Maharaji - Now there's a man who knows how to treat a lady;-) At any rate, I never got to post it, but meant to: Contrary Mary to Sandra - Girl you need one good Cyber Bitch Slapping! Cheers and Adios of faithful one, Contrary Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:27:19 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Contrary Mary Subject: Happy Trails to You Message: Dear Mary, If I hadn't stayed up WAY past my bed time doing email I would never have heard Rosanne on David Letterman and found out what Bitch Slapping was!!!!!!!!! Just call it fate!!! ;) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:08:17 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: JB Subject: Pick yer fav... Message: but you can't vote for yerself: 1) Powerman Stupid fucking bitch, never wearing anything too colorful or revealing, hair tied in a neat, little bun, folding your clothes, good little German, it isn't easy to have a shit in the morning when you have a big stick impaled three feet up your ass.' 2) Joey 'How many people attend, whatever m has to say...it'll be one mahafuckbrain talking to a bunch of mini fuckbrains.' 3) Mike 'He wasn't a leader, he was a jack-booted nazi.' It was a tough call, since I really like ALL of 'em. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:52:52 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Pick yer fav... Message: For sheer unexpected humour, my favourite is AJW's 'knowledge is snot'. But for taking the art of insulting to a poetic level, I'd say that the following; Powerman on Sandra - ' I look at my table, and there's all this vomit and bile. And I look at Sandra, and it's dripping off her lips and chin. And she's trying to suck and lick it back into her mouth, lest someone notice. And she mutters 'Fuck you' as she's dragging this crap back into her mouth. Fuck you, Sandra. And fuck your stupid, lying guru. Take your sack of shit and sell it somewhere else.' takes some beating. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:52:25 (EDT)
From: Alice Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Pick yer fav... Message: How about crazy Jim boy, he says: That's how it is, JB. The premies lie and it pisses off the exes. {I mean ME}: Some have made a probably wise decision to not even engage you guys. {Not me I’ll swear at anyone, I love to say fuck you.}: Others do mix it up and often lose their temper at the premies' deceit, ignorance or simple stupidity. {Like ME, you shithead.} So, what's your point anyway, asshole? Jim to William - 'Fuck you, asshole!!!' Jim to Rob - 'Fuck you, asshole!!!' Jim to Denise - 'Denise, you're pathetic.' Jim to Rob - Rob, you're pathetic.' Jim to Sandra - Sandra, you're pathetic.' Jim to Sandra - 'go fuck yourself' Fuck you too Jim to - ……., ‘Fuck you asshole Jim to Peggy - ‘Fuck you. Jim – ‘I have a way with words, you Fucking asshole. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 06:39:57 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Alice Subject: Pick yer fav... Message: Dear Alice, I know I am not the only ex honored by having Jim tell me to 'go fuck yourself, Robyn' I can think of at least one other ex who has also been so honnored so it isn't just premies. Maybe Jim wants me to become a premie again! :) Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:12:40 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Alice Subject: Jim to Alice Message: You missed the point. You were staring at the words but you read right through them and didn't get it apparently. Oh well. Are you still here? Why? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 13:16:15 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Pick yer fav... Message: Gerry: I've found the 'simple' questions/quotes to be the best.... he he he.... YOURS wins my vote: 'Gerry to William - 'William, are you brain damaged, by any chance?'' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:12:50 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: JB Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: Thanks for compiling all of those insults together in a useful and easy to read format. It's entertaining reading. Why do you mock my particular mild contribution? I am simply stating the truth. Would you expect me to tell a pretty story about how I see light brighter than a thousand suns? Anyway, it's clear that you have chosen to critisise the people who write on this forum. Don't you think you're being a bit self rightious? You know nothing of my own experience, for instance and yet have just picked out one thing which I wrote and ridiculed it. You can scan this site and have a superficial view of things and walk away just thinking that we're a load of nutters. But is that true? There's a depth of feeling sometimes expressed here which is unmistakable. You didn't comment on my post where I quoted Maharaji: 'But God has manifested Himself and if He had manifested after one year it would have been too late, too late.' Can't you see why some people feel SO betrayed and tricked? If you've never given your all then you'll never know. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:24:53 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JB Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: Dear JB, I read this post to my daugher and I was laughing hysterically, I liked the way you set it up, ie, the welcome wagon, but I did tell her this is one thing I really do not like about the forum, the meanness. Sometimes I don't think it bothers the men, but I don't think it is right to greet someone that way. I must say though that those of us who didn't experience something with K is a personal fact or observation. You quote me as saying that I didn't get anything out of the music technique or Katie didn't have an experience with any techniques. So what! Do you think we should lie! Is that part of being in a cult? I see you haven't quoted that I DID and STILL DO have an experience with the word and light techniques. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:48:43 (EDT)
From: JB-Robyn,David,Katie Email: None To: Robyn, David & Katie Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: Just a quick note to you three 'cause I feel all these quotes should speak for themselves. No mockery of your experience in meditation intended, that's very personal. I actually appreciate your honesty. It's just meant in contrast to the vituperativeness and certainty of all the nastiness and abuse hurled at both Maharaji and premies here. After all, knowledge IS what Maharaji teaches and in that light, a comment like 'Knowledge is snot' or 'I never experienced much' is quite relevant. So, please don't take personal offense, that's not the point of the Welcome Wagon. Just a little mirror, perhaps. And now, I've got some ridin' to do. JB Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:54:13 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: JB Subject: If... Message: knowlege and Maharaji are so great and wonderful, how do you account for the '' vituperativeness and certainty of all the nastiness and abuse hurled at both Maharaji and premies here. '' Seriously doesn't it make you wonder why? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:17:15 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: JB-Robyn,David,Katie Subject: reply to JB Message: Hi JB - What you quoted me as saying about my experiences with Maharaji's Knowledge meditation was true. I am not sure exactly WHY you picked this particular quote of mine, but I'd like to clarify it and so I'm going to re-post part of a post I made to William below, with some additions. What I was taught in the Knowledge session was four techniques for meditation. I do understand that some people (including many EX-premies) have had very intense and beautiful spiritual experiences by practicing the techniques, but I DID NOT. I really DID practice, as directed by Maharaji: one hour in the morning and one hour at night. I went to at least two Knowledge reviews. Plus I attended satsang whenever possible (often every night), and I did as much 'service' as I could (leafleting, helping at programs, contributing part of my income), since, at the time I received Knowledge, these were supposed to be essential ingredients for having 'that experience'. However, what I got in that Knowledge sesion was some meditation techniques, period. I don't think that the meditation techniques that Maharaji teaches are the ONLY way anymore. I have more profound experiences using other methods: different kinds of therapy, visualization, and basically just from bumping up against the hard parts of life (death of people I was close to & so fforth). I have found out from reading this site and forum, and from talking to other ex-premies that I know (for example, my sister) that a lot of people DON'T have any kind of spiritual experience as a result of practicing Maharaji's four meditation techniques. I used to get very depressed in satsang and feel that I was the only one who wasn't having a spiritual experience - I later found out that this was not true, of course. But now, I don't think that the 4 techniques are 'one size fits all' anymore. I also don't believe that any special 'grace' is transmitted with the four techniques when taught by Maharaji (they are, as has been well-documented, commonly used Raj Yoga techniques). Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 19:51:04 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Katie Subject: reply to JB Message: Did you ever go to any K reviews? William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:14:02 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: William Subject: K review Message: What do they teach you at a K review? That there's this thing called Knowledge? William, there isn't. There's this thing called life, and Maharaji only knows about his, not your's. It's a real wakeup call when you realize this. If what I'm saying isn't true, tell me what you've discovered within yourself by practicing Knowledge that you weren't aware of before you received it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 09:06:41 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jerry Subject: revws: emotional & longing Message: Most of the premies don't meditate regularly. I guess it's an opportunity for them to feel that k is 'true' indeed, cauze they had an 'experience' on that day.... and carry on in their belief and coming to watch the videos... What they fail to understand is that the whole setup creates an emotional experience. That's all. The whole reality of their experience is the emotional high they feel from time to time.....and their longing for it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:07:50 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Jean-Michel Subject: revws: emotional & longing Message: Dear JM, I have begun to realize that most premies don't meditate like we use to in the old days and with that in mind it is amuzing that they so often say that we left because we didn't do what we were supposed to, didn't do it right or didn't try hard enough. I think we did all of the above, many of us anyway and even those of us who did have a great experience meditating STILL left because that isn't all there is to being a devotee of the big M! I would think that might make some think again about why we left and that maybe some ex's who are angry did have good reason, leaving our families and friends and isolating ourselves and focusing on pleasing one man who wasn't even aware we were alive turned out to be hurtful and wasn't worth it. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 02:57:51 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Superior power in person Message: We all had a very important lesson to learn: There is no such thing as a superior power in person (like the old arti verse brainwashed us into believing.) So there's no point bowing down to his lousy feet. Liz:The Deluded (while Anth isn't watching!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:09:33 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: William Subject: reply to William Message: Hi William - I did go to two knowledge reviews - at least (I put this in my reply to you in our 'Rotten Vegetables' discussion, which has since gone inactive, so you may not have seen it.) The knowledge reviews were both helpful, in that I got more input about practicing the meditation techniques, and confusing, in that the mahatmas/initiators tended to contradict each other. Actually, the mahatma I received K from did a very good job of teaching the techniques, in my opinion. The problem in my case is though even though I practiced the meditation techniques correctly AND diligently, I never had the experience of 'Knowledge' that some people talk about. As I said earlier, I know that some people do have a profound and intense experience when they practice the techniques, but the problem is that many people do NOT. And the problem with my own lack of experience is that I felt that I was not good enough or that there was something wrong with me because I wasn't having 'that experience'. I know people say that knowledge is not JUST the techniques, but at the time I was practicing I was very devoted to Maharaji as well (satsang, service, darshan, so on), which is (was?) supposed to provide the missing ingredient. You probably remember the whole thing about effort and grace - if a person puts in the effort of practicing, he or she will get Maharaji's grace and have a spiritual experience. Well, what happens when a person puts in a lot of effort and doesn't get the (so-called) grace? In my case, I began to feel very guilty and inadequate because I believed what Maharaji said whole-heartedly. I know that there are people who receive K, practice, don't have an experience, and walk away, but I was not one of those people. It was very freeing for me when I finally WAS able to walk away from the whole thing because I was released from all those feelings of guilt and inadequacy and fear. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 05:55:43 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Katie Subject: reply to William Message: Katie, Were you ever happy, at all, about M & K? I wasn't. The most I ever felt was hope that this would free me from my misery. But it never did. I don't think people who never fully accepted Maharaji as their Lord ever had much of an experience. I think that very belief that God had come in the flesh to save them is what most people were moved by. Without that belief, I don't see how Knowledge could provide much of an experience since 'Knowledge' is only what you're already feeling anyway. Nobody, I don't think, goes from sad to happy, misery to joy, when they sit down to meditate. If you're miserable when you sit down to meditate, that's what you're going to feel, only enhanced. If you're happy, you'll feel that. But Knowledge is no magic wand that transforms sorrow into joy. It never did for me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 15:07:48 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Jerry Subject: reply to Jerry Message: Dear Jerry, I never truely bought into that M is god thing. I mean I was trained from years as a member of the Catholic church to spit out the party line but I never felt M was god with my whole heart and soul, like it meant the world to me or anything, yet I did have a good experience with meditation, maybe though it does have to do with the fact that although I have sadness in me I am basically a happy person so maybe what you said about it being your predispostion to happiness or sadness does have some truth to it. I wonder and hope others will post here. Now I am curious. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 15:59:53 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Jerry Subject: reply to Jerry Message: Hi Jerry - It's really hard for me to remember my emotions from back then. I don't remember having any meditation experiences that made me happy. I do remember feeling happy in satsang, while singing arti, and at community programs - I really liked the community spirit and feeling like part of the group. (I HATED festivals - too many people!) I don't think that had much to do with Maharaji specifically - it's just a good feeling to be part of a group of people who all have the same purpose. I generally hung around with premies who were either my age (young), or who were slightly irreverent, so we had a lot of fun at times. You wrote: The most I ever felt was hope that this would free me from my misery. But it never did. I don't think people who never fully accepted Maharaji as their Lord ever had much of an experience. I felt a lot of hope BEFORE I received Knowledge that I'd be 'freed from my misery' as you put it. Receiving K was a big let-down for me - I thought my life would be changed and it wasn't. I spaced out for a while, then subsequently decided to really try and be devoted and see if I would then experience something, but this didn't change my experience of Knowledge. I do believe though, that other people, DID have an experience of 'Knowledge' through meditation that was strong enough to change sorrow into joy, at least for that moment. However, more people claimed to have had this experience than actually did! I have tried to remember how I felt about Maharaji - I don't think I ever believed he was god, per se, but I did believe he was the Perfect Master like Jesus, Buddha, et al. I guess I believed that M was 'in touch' with God somehow in the way the rest of us were not, not that he was 'god in the flesh' (I didn't believe this about Jesus either - although I was raised as a Christian, I don't think either of my parents believed that Jesus was divine, although both of them believed in god.) However, I know that I never actually completely surrendered my will to Maharaji and 'fully accepted him as my Lord' because I never REALLY trusted him. This wasn't because of him specifically - it was because I didn't trust anyone. Not sure if this answers your question! Take care - Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:25:18 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: JB Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: I didn't call Sandra a stupid bitch. That isn't a quote from a post of mine. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:26:21 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: JB Subject: Here's more for you Message: Maharaji's message I find to be tiresome and non-relective of what's going on in my life. Practicing Knowledge is, more often than not, boring, plain and simple. If you need more, let me know. I'll be as honest as I can. I promise. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:39:37 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: JB Subject: So? Message: JB, What's your point? Say there was a site run by holocaust survivors. Say they regularly fielded comments from holocaust revisionists. Wouldn't you expect the same kind of contemptuous replies? What would that tell you other than that, for one reason or another, these comments were stirring up lot of anger? That's how it is, JB. The premies lie and it pisses off the exes. Some have made a probably wise decision to not even engage you guys. Others do mix it up and often lose their temper at the premies' deceit, ignorance or simple stupidity. So, what's your point anyway? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:38:40 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jim Subject: So? Message: His point is that you can take some sentences from thousands of posts and think you can broad brush us as less than worthy of him. HE is making a 'pathetic' attempt to smear the forum participants. The ex's here are smart and right on. His attempt won't work. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:46:28 (EDT)
From: The Welcome Wagon Lady Email: None To: JB Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: You'll be back. Don't kid yourself, fuckwit! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:21:52 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: JB Subject: Welcome to Internet - Newbie Message: Yeah, this is the Wild West alright and thank god it is. How about China where it's completely under control. I think that you need to get a permit to go onto the net. Sure, there are websites like EnjoyingLifewithKnowledge and a few other Maharaji sites where everything is fine and dandy, hunky dory. But then those sites are heavily censored by you-know-who. And now Maharaji has given Agya to His premies to stay out of ex-premie.org. See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil! It's all under His (Guru Evil) control, baby! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 19:53:12 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: JB Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: I liked Jims the best, nothing personal Gerry. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:48:24 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: JB Subject: Welcome Wagon Message: Geez, you picked my most innocuous post! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 07:07:45 (EDT)
From: Fuggy Email: None To: Catweazle Subject: 1999 Questions Message: Catweazle You said how about questions from 1999. You live in Australia and work on the festival site near Ipswich right? Which organization runs and manages the site? Which government department gave permission for the site to be built? Does this local government department know that the organization that manages the site is made up of premies, and that the site is used for the luxury home of a cult leader and his followers? Or have the followers of the Lord been practising deception down under? love from fuggy Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:38:40 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: shagadelic!!! To: Fuggy Subject: The EX who shagged me Message: What planet are you living on Fuggy?I do not live or work at Amaroo.I believe a legitimate company set up and operated according to Australian corporate statutes runs a conference centre at the site you are indicating.Building permits in Australia are a local Goverment issue.All relevant laws would have to be complied with before permits would be issued.I think your next question/imputation is based on mis-information.The property is primarily a bush retreat not dissimilar to hundreds of others throughout Australia.The other part of your question would be of no interest to'Goverment officials 'in OZ,unless they happened to be your old friend and alter ego ,Peter Howie.Look him up in the 'White Pages'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:31:27 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: The EX who shagged me Message: The long oblong thing which is below the cvbnm,. keys on your keyboard is called a spacebar. If you hit it with your thumb it moves the curser along a space and allows you to put a space after a comma or fullstop. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:58:38 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Sir Dave Subject: The EX who shagged me Message: Dear Sir, Are you a typing teacher? You should be, you are VERY GOOD!!! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:59:56 (EDT)
From: Fuggy Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: The EX who shagged me Message: G'day Catweazel, A conference centre with a big guru's residence in the middle and hundreds of servants all over the place. A legitimate company with a property funded by premie donations. A 'bush retreat' not disimilar to hundreds of others throughout Australia'. How many gurus you got down there Catweazel? Sounds perfectly legit' to me. love from Fuggy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:43:10 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie Email: None To: Fuggy Subject: The EX who shagged me Message: Well, at a stretch you could say it is 'like many others' but that would be a mighty big stretch. There are heaps of other bush retreats around Australia but they cater for groups in the order of 25 - 200 people. The site near Brisbane can cater for groups 50 - 5000. Maybe the 5000 is the goal, I don't know if they have made it that far yet. The site is no money making concern. Donations are put into upgrading the facilities - it could be utilised by the type of groups like the Scouts having an international jamboree etc. Probably too upmarket for scouts though. Their brochure used to be quite good - I considered using it for another conference I was planning. It was a bit more pricey than I required so I went to the old tried and true Uni Colleges for the conference. Cat is correct in that no-one would care about its use. The land is being rehabilitated to some extent (it was degraded pasture) and the local businesses all benefit to some extent every time there is a large program. They get out various catering bodies to run concessions. The only dilly bit from my point of view is that they try and keep its real puspose secret. What happened to 'shout it from the rooftops etc' Cheers Peter Howie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 05:28:38 (EDT)
From: toby Email: None To: Everyone Subject: another premie - business? Message: well i found out that m's website is backed by nameservers from www.appliedtheory.com I sent some mail asking about a rumor I have heard that they are supporting some cult leader. I got a prompt and nice reply that this is defenitly not factual. Then I sent another mail asking if this is right that their system is serving as NS to maharaji.com maharaji.net as nameservers and this is the mentioned cult leader. Since then No reply Looks typical. Does anybody know about this business and how they are involved in? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 15:41:08 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: toby Subject: another premie - business? Message: What do you mean by 'backed', if they are just providing the DNS record it may just be a IPS, they are in Syracuse New York - do a whois on them and see if any Premie names pop up - I am not up on all the premies in business but this may just be a normal business that is hosting or acting as a secondary site. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 23:36:30 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Everyone Subject: direct depost graditude (TM) Message: Famous goober quote as immortalized on enjoyinglifesqueezingmynutsack.com: 'When my heart fills with gratitude... it is one of the most wonderful feelings in life.' - Maharaji Now what is this supposed to mean? BM says how wonderful graditude is. What is graditude to BM? Donations to BM. How shallow, crass and transparent is that? Robbie boy? Here's the algorythm: Graditude=money to goober=bliss to donor. Simple, elegant, slick, deceitful. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 23:42:33 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Huh? You say sumfin? Message: Now what is this supposed to mean? BM says how wonderful graditude is. What is graditude to BM? Donations to BM. How shallow, crass and transparent is that? Robbie boy? (OT)Explain BM He's talking about gratitude to the one who revealed Knowledge to him, as well as to his Creator for giving him life. I don't expect you to feel the former, but have you ever felt the latter? Actually that's not a dig, I would like to know how that is for you. Robbie boy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 23:49:51 (EDT)
From: gerry th high school grad Email: None To: Rob Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: BM= Big Maharaj. Also Bowel Movement. Take yer choice. Creator? What creator? I Am that. So are you. So is the BM Only one of us knows it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 00:27:40 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: gerry th high school grad Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Sounds like a haiku. Except it didn't make any sense. I take it you don't believe in a Creator? Or that you are It? Please, enlighten me!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:18:21 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Well, Rob these ARE very basic questions, aren't they. Hey I know, why don't you ask Maharaji. You know, the ''perfect master'' of our time. The guy who claims he's an incarnation like Krishna, Jesus, et al. This is his turf after all, isn't it? Yeah, go ask goober. Send him an e-mail. I'm sure he'll get right back to you. Really, I'm not a bit surprised you didn't understand what I'm said. Your head is so stuffed with M's lies you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 11:29:48 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Well that's why I like coming here, to bask in truth, consciousness and bullshit! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 11:30:41 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: I mean bliss. Yeah, bliss, that was it. Freudian slip. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 11:32:45 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: That brings up a good question . Why are you here at all? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 11:41:37 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Are you serious? It's fun! And who knows, maybe I'll get laid? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:29:14 (EDT)
From: JF Email: None To: Rob Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: And who knows, maybe I'll get laid? Hey Rob, Thats already happened. I mean, you've fucked yourself...don't you know? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:40:58 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: JF Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Hello Joe, Well I don't think so, actually. Not something I'd forget, either, I'm told it's quite a memorable experience. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:53:35 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Rob, did you practise today? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:55:16 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: gerry Subject: ed-u-cashun Message: Oh shit, thanks for reminding me gerry. Gotta go now, catch up with you later. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 15:46:50 (EDT)
From: Lap Dancer #2 Email: None To: Rob Subject: mmmm, Rob, you know I will... Message: Rob, You must remember what I said. I'll do you, but first you must whisper some sweet nothings in my ear. I love when you talk Maharaji to me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 15:35:19 (EDT)
From: Sneaking into Montreal-- Email: None To: Rob Subject: Your ludicrous ideas, Rob! Message: Dear Rob: For a day or two, I thought you actually could get me into the Montreal shindig. I took the day off. At the last minute, you e-mailed me the following words of wisdom. a) get a press pass (they don't let the press in, Rob) b) sneak in through the service entrance or the back door (and dress up like Mata Hare or a security guard with a bag over my head) c) wear a disguise sail on by the security at the front door d) BTW, Gail, I'm not going (I believe you did attend, didn't you. I think you might have been fibbing.) Geez, Rob, I teach general level students, not geniuses. I asked them what they would do if they wanted to get into a conference that they had been banned from. They had more original ideas than the three you mentioned. If you can't help, don't hinder. I think you probably meant well, and then found out you couldn't deliver. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 15:51:11 (EDT)
From: Lap Dancer #4 Email: None To: Sneaking into Montreal-- Subject: Your ludicrous ideas, Rob! Message: I think you probably meant well, and then found out you couldn't deliver. Honey, if that ain't the truth! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 18:36:18 (EDT)
From: Gail--Lap Dancer #1 Email: None To: Rob--Lap Dancer #4 Subject: Your ludicrous ideas, Rob! Message: Which brings us back to the 'Open Door Policy.' Maharaji is a liar. He must know what's being written here. Why didn't he correct the matter if he is the most humble, the most generous giver, the all-knowing, the divine one in the world? After all, he boasted that he never lost a premie yet. When is he picking me up? After I'm dead? Since not a leaf moves in his organization without his knowing, how can you explain all the discrepancies? I know how; just suck in a big breath and block all thoughts. If I were God, I'd let you in, Rob, REGARDLESS. What harm could you do to me? Wake up and start enjoying those lap dances while you still can. It's closer to heaven. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:46:30 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Gail--Lap Dancer #1 Subject: Rob, you are ashamed of this Message: nonsense, yourself. Look at what you wrote to me. All you had to do was be honest. You know the party line: they will not let you in because this is what Maharaji wants! You are a nice guy who can't face the truth. You are so ashamed, you waited a long time to respond. You bought a lemon, buddy. I promised not to reveal anything, but this is too much. Besides, this is neither wrath nor gossip. MY FIRST E-MAIL My bags are packed I'm ready to go. I'm standing here... Well, everything is ok from my end. Dinner sounds great! BTW, I will never repeat anything you say here to anyone--on that you have my word. I save my wrath and gossip for people whom I feel have really betrayed me. Here's what I need to know: 1. Location in Montreal or Laval 2. Time it starts 3. Where I should meet you 4. Is this cloak and dagger? (I hope not.) I shall wear either a pink or blue suit. I'm 5'9', 145 pounds, blonde, and beautiful (actually passable now that I'm getting old). Do I need to wear a placard? Sincerely, Gail MacDougall (519) 660-6578 MY SECOND E-MAIL Did you get my mail. I hope to hear from you soon so I can make plans. MY THIRD E-MAIL Dear Rob: If you've found out that it will not be possible for me to go, I understand. Just let me know. Thanks for everything--one way or the other. Gail YOUR RESPONSE E-MAIL Hi Gail, Sorry for the delay, I've been busy with a very nervous client. Anyway, I don't think I'm going to make it to Montreal myself, because I have to be in a meeting with clients Monday, unless I can put them off for a day or so. Give it a try, it's at Chateau Royale, 3500 Blvd. du Souvenir, Laval, quebec. You can always get details from the Elan Vital answering machine at 818-889-0500 Insider tip: There have been times when I needed to test out the security, so I've gotten in (service entrance or hall staff entrance is best) - in towns where nobody knows me - with fake ID's. Best are Press passes or Union cards. The former you can get by contacting the Press Associaton and telling them you are a freelance journalist, the latter you have to fake. Grab a logo off the internet and use something like Photoshop to mock up a card with your mugshot on it. Works every time, especially union cards, the goons are terrified of 'upsetting' the union in these big halls. Other things that have worked: briefcase and cellphone. breeze in talking loudly on your phone, drop a few names like 'RJ' and just arrogantly brush the goons aside. Dark glasses and a white stick!! You'll be escorted to the front without any problem. Come in 5 minutes late. M. always starts on the dot, so the goons will be more interested in getting to their 'assigned seats' than worrying about who's coming in. Anyway good luck. ps, you sound like a lovely lass! Pity I'm married! Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:49:27 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Gail Subject: Rob, you are ashamed of this Message: yuck God Gail what are you doing emailing this guy?? Take care of yourself girl!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:59:23 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Selene Subject: Rob, you are ashamed of this Message: Well, he indicated here on the Forum that he could get me into the program. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:26:32 (EDT)
From: selene Email: None To: Gail Subject: Rob, you are ashamed of this Message: yeah. what a doof didn't mean to lecture you. It's just that his email gave me the creeps. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:54:37 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Barney Subject: You need not erase my number Message: but you could edit this line for me: Besides, this is neither wrath or gossip. To: wrath nor gossip Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:13:02 (EDT)
From: Elfie Email: None To: Gail Subject: You need not erase my number Message: Gail, Done. Elfie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 19:59:39 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Gail Subject: Rob, you are ashamed of this Message: Hi Gail, Shoot girlfriend! I wish you'd e-mailed me. Rob's ideas are totally ridiculous and laughable. If you really want to go to one of these things and they're being held in a 'Public Owned Facility', I'll fly where ever you want to meet and trust me... We'll get in. Take care. And remember there are people who truly have come to love you and want to help you through this transition. We're quite a diverse group .... for what it's worth... I'd be darned proud of the fact that the Raw Rat has banned me. Love, Mary M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:38:51 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mary M Subject: Gail Message: Dear Gail, 'for what it's worth... I'd be darned proud of the fact that the Raw Rat has banned me.' ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are like an idol here sweetie! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:57:49 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gail Subject: No I am not Message: Show me where in any of my emails I said that you would be let in under any normal approach. It was you who made it clear that you were barred, that you had to 'discuss' it with whomever. I never denied any of that and yes, it is what Maharaji wants, although I can't say whether he personally took a decision in your case. He delegates that responsibility to others, you probably know them better than I do. So what exactly were you expecting from me? You think I'm some high-born PAM who can breeze in with a 'she's with me' kind of nonchalance? Not the case at all. I would have had to sneak you in, after first establishing that you couldn't get in through the front door. Now what exactly am I supposed to be ashamed of? That bit of nonsense at the end about you being a lovely lass? Give me a break, that was a tongue-in-cheek response to your 'blonde & beautiful' tag. How about yourself? I will never repeat anything you say here to anyone--on that you have my word. So much for your word, I guess. Now suppose you had been let in on condition you 'gave your word' not to disrupt? How serious could they have taken it? One last thing. Why is everyone assuming the 'open door policy' refers to events? It doesn't. Some are quite clearly designated for PWK only, some are Aspirant events, some Knowledge sessions, some Instructor meetings. If you think you have a right to attend any meeting you choose, just because it's at a 'public facility', you're mistaken. Call your local Conference Center and ask for their policy on this. I think you'll find the group renting the facility has the right to control entry. The only 'open door' reference I can think of is when Maharaji talks figuratively about the inner 'door' to this experience of Knowledge. It does remain open. Anyone is free to leave that inner world any time they choose, and, more importantly, it is not closed behind them. You are free to return through that door to Knowledge if you so choose. However, Maharaji does require that people who receive Knowledge be sincere. I would venture that you would be allowed to attend his events if you could similarly demonstrate that you were sincere about practising Knowledge again, not that you just wanted to attend the event for some other purpose. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:05:39 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gail Subject: One good thing Message: to come out of this, I suppose, is that Security will be briefed about their weak points and fix them. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:09:06 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: No I am not Message: OK Fuck brain, What is this BULLSHIT nonsense about so-called ''knowledge?'' As if that simpleton Maharaji has any control over peoples inner experiences. It ain't his to dish out, jerk-off!!! He's merely pimping it to make money. Period. Anyone can have a meditative experience without the Mahapimp sticking his grubby little dick into the pie and ruining it. It ain't real, pup, get that straight! It's a joke and the joke is on you!! However, Maharaji does require that people who receive Knowledge be sincere. In case you haven't noticed, your starting to piss me off. Sincerely. All he wants to do is to hook'em good and keep the cash flowing. Look how fucked up William is over this. Look how fucked half the people here are over this. THIS KNOWLEDGE SHIT IS POISON AND SO ARE YOU! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:16:50 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: No I am not Message: It took you forty minutes to get indignant. I see the good old premie ego coming out now. One day, I'll get to go to his public forum in a court house when he gets to answer for his atrocities. I imagine that the IRS is licking at his heels. They love to take the proceed from enterprise crime (too bad they don't return it to the rightful owners. Where is Aunt Nellie's watch? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 19:47:52 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Rob Subject: No I am not Message: Rob: 'The only 'open door' reference I can think of is when Maharaji talks figuratively about the inner 'door' to this experience of Knowledge' Ahhhh.... the old inner door mind trick! Tell me Rob, are you fully qualified to put words in M's mouth? How can M have an open-door policy or leave a door open when the 'door' doesn't exist? What's the sound of one hand clapping? If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, did it make any noise? You guys are too precious..... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:30:27 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: One hand clapping Message: What's the sound of one hand clapping? Um, the sound of my hand on your face? Hee, hee... I think I learned this one from you, Mike. See how attentive I am, master? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:55:18 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Sri Jerry Subject: To: Sri Jerry Message: Sri Jerry: You have just been promoted! You are a good student, Jerry-hopper. You have learned your lessons well and may now spread peace and joy wherever you go. :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 11:17:19 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: Oh, goody goody! Message: I only wish I had some joy to spread. I know. I'll just steal some zoned-out premies endorphins and sprinkle them like stardust throughout the land. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:13:48 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Stardust Message: Sri Jerry: Great idea! Now, as to your apparent inability to generate some joy within yourself, I think I can help you with this my ready pupil. I believe you are married(?). If you are, look down at your wedding ring..... you know....that bright yellow thing that encircles your left ring-finger....yeah, that's the one :-) Next, open your mind.... and realize.... in absolute AWE.... that the YOUR gold ring exists because a star exploded to produce the heavier elements contained therein (e.g. gold!). You are literally WEARING stardust on your finger! ALL HAIL.... Supernovae! Without them, marriage would be impossible.... he he he :-) Pretty cool, eh? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 17:11:04 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: Stardust Message: Oh, great master, how wise and interesting you are on the origins of gold. I'd heard that before, and yes, it is pretty cool. Not only is gold former stardust but from what I've heard, so are we. As for the marriage thing, how could you not know, you who know all? I'm single and unattached. Hey, are you a fraud like that Maharajo guy? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 19:21:06 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Stardust Message: Sri Jerry: No, jerry-hopper, I was just testing to see if you were in THAT place....... and not just 'drifting' along mindlessly. Never fear, I'm as omniscient as I ever was. ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:48:28 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: the beautiful Ms. Gail Subject: Gail, glad you did NOT go! Message: Hi Gail - I'm really glad you did NOT go to the Montreal program. I don't honestly think that Rob's ideas for getting in would have worked, especially since you're well known by the premies in that area, and because you're a pretty straightforward person. Anyway, I'm glad you didn't waste your time. Better to 'waste' it going to an 'EX-premie re-union', eh? Love you, Katie P.S. I liked Joey/Nim's idea of going to visit family instead of going to the program. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:18:37 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gail Subject: Initiative test Message: Gail, All those ruses have worked for me, that's all I can say. Did you at least try any? I'd love to know what your students came up with, always looking to add to my repertoire of skullduggery. a)The press pass gets you in the back door. While you're waiting in the Hospitality room, make your bathroom excuses, doff the badge and just walk in. They only check at the outer doors. b)Ditto, using badges I suggested. c)No disguise, just dismissive self-confidence. This does work. d) I really didn't go, and if you want to trudge through the 'Funny' thread below you'll see that JW, JHB and myself sucked all the juice out of that arguement. Had I been there I would have had no trouble getting you in, I'm sure. Would you like a video by way of recompense? You can email me a PO box #, or a local UPS/Fedex depot - they do 'hold for pickup', I think. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:22:49 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: A suggestion Message: Rob, Why don't you take that video, slather it red lipstick and shove it sideways up your ass, you pompous fool. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:34:29 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Gerry Subject: A suggestion Message: You remembered the lipstick tapes I am in love Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:39:15 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob - a Lemon for you Message: Rob, Please try to control your unctious solicitousness. It only makes matters worse. There are ex-es that sincerely care about Gail. There are obviously premies who need her to shut up. Naturally various techniques of Social Re-engineering will be attempted by the 'Oh I'm so concerned about the protection of my Master/Pastor... whatever the crap he is today) premie goon squads. You rode in here on a horse named 'Blarney'. Maybe you should ride out on a jackass named 'Lemon'. Thanks, mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 01:06:05 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Rob Subject: Press Pass - WRONG! Message: Rob or the spirit of Rob who is no longer with us, WRONG! Either you aren't a premie or you've been away too long, but anybody who shows up at any of Maharaji's events trying to get with via a Press Pass is going to be surrounded by Security (yeah, I know there is no security anymore) and escorted directly to the EV Press Officer(s) for a thorough briefing and then escorted out the door and followed and watched, again by Security. You must think we is total sub-mensa (giving myself away) fools to think that the Press gets a free hall pass at one of Maharaji's paranoid shindigs. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 18:46:00 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Here's your answer, Bruce Message: Was Jim forced to move into the ashram at gunpoint? No. However, I was pressured in under duress. When Ron Bator was transferred to Vancouver to take over General Secretary duties from Ruth Dworkin (now DaCosta), he spotted me as an up-and-coming eagre puppy of a devotee. I was nineteen. One day, Ron called me at our premie house and told me that I could move into the ashram that night. My options, in the cirucmstances, were limited: 1) Say no in which case I would be saying no to Maharaji's local agya quartermaster, saying no to Maharaji and showing that, whne push came to shove, I really didn't want to surrender my all to him; or 2) Move in. Guns weren't necessary. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 19:06:57 (EDT)
From: Anon Email: None To: Jim Subject: Here's your answer, Bruce Message: Was Jim forced to move into the ashram at gunpoint? At one time (circa 1977?) there was widespread pressure to move into the ashram, especially if you were single. The satsangs that came down the chain of command via local commanders and from the likes of recently indited war criminal David Smith, were probably more persuasive than if guns had been employed. Seriously. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 19:13:43 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Here's your answer, Bruce Message: Around the same time, Jim, there was INTENSE pressure brought to bear by high and mighty Philadelphia premies for the locals in my Harrisburg PA community to join the ashram. They came there specifically to give satsang about doing so. Very intense pressure indeed. It might not have been a physical gun but it surely was a psychological one. I believe this occurred all over North America. Don't know about other places. This would have been in early 1973. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 19:41:58 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: gerry Subject: Here's your answer, Bruce Message: No guns were necessary! The Lord of the Universe ordained that Thou Shalt Move Into the Ashram. Who wanted to face eternal damnation and/or the knowing smirks of the ashram premies that one was not 'really' devoted? Lots of the trips in DLM were like the Catholic Church's guilt trips. Gerry, I read your post below. You said that your dad compared M to the Pope. Now was he joking, or trying to make a favorable comparison? And, since 2 of your sibs are in the Bay Area, be sure to get in touch if you come to visit. Love to meet you, your significant other, & kids! Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 19:54:47 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: glyng@techline.com To: Marianne Subject: Here's your answer, Bruce Message: Hi Marianne, You said: Gerry, I read your post below. You said that your dad compared M to the Pope. Now was he joking, or trying to make a favorable comparison? And, since 2 of your sibs are in the Bay Area, be sure to get in touch if you come to visit. Love to meet you, your significant other, & kids!> I read that post, too. It was by someone else. I live in McCleary, Washington with my wife Patty and two cats, Bocephus and Sparkie. All my sib (5 of 'em) live on the east coast of the USA. We do occasionally vist SF and I'd love to hook up. My dad was absolutely appalled at the gooroo. I remember when we were told to ask our parents for money so we could fix up a luxurious bedroom for goober in the Philly ashram. He replied he'd lend him a sleeping bag and an army cot if he wanted to sleep in the backyard. Pretty funny now, but mortifying then. I have to add: my father sent me a birthday card with the message he is praying that Patty and I will someday return to the bosum of the catholic church. I read that and my immediate reaction was to tear the card into tiny pieces! I mean, I'm 46 fer crissake! I feel like sending him The Blind Watchmaker in response. In fact, I think I will. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 20:18:45 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Here's your answer, Gerry (OT) Message: Gerry: Sorry, I confused you with Gregg! At least they're praying for you!! It can't hurt. Were your kids baptised in the Church -- getting rid of Original Sin and all that???? Your dad was right. We should have sent him a cot! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 20:23:53 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: glyng@techline.com To: Marianne Subject: Here's your answer, Gerry (OT) Message: Sheesh Marianne, I don't have any kids. But my cats are practising Buddhist, though. Actually I rather like being mixed up with gregg. I like his posts a lot. Mine are, er, usually a bit, shall we say, to the point? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 20:32:30 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: gerry Subject: Here's your answer, Bruce Message: I remember giving heavy satsang in Brighton to single premies to move into the ashram in 1974. I hope none of them listened to me. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 23:38:15 (EDT)
From: Bruce Email: None To: Jim Subject: Here's what I said! Message: Jim, When I was asked if I wanted to move into the ashram I said, 'No thanks.' Thanks for tolerating my 'guerrilla theatre of the mind' experiment a little earlier. You know, I don't think it worked. If the experience of Knowledge doesn't impress you my cockamamie little notes aren't going to. I'll check back in about a month or so. Tuning into your site is like watching a train wreck, I can't help looking. In the meantime Jim, you really should get out more. Bruce Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 17:52:52 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Rob, you almost forgot........ Message: So, typically, Rob obfuscates as only a captive mind can. I'd said this: 'how do you think your general impression on people here is evolving? Do you think people respect you much? How about compared to, oh, last week for instance? And if, by chance, you think your reputation's degenerating (my personal opinion -- that is I believe that your general reputation's on the decline for sure), is it all my fault?' That's fairly straight-forward, don't you think? He already knows what I think of him, that he's dishonest and cowardly when it comes to discussing his cult leader. So I'm just opening things up a bit for a 'reality check', so to speak. Asking him what kind of impression others here have gained of him. Simple, right? Okay, tell me if you can detect anything that even approaches an answer in his reply: Well I wasn't planning on applying for the webmaster's job, and I don't expect to be on anybody's Christmas card list. I didn't come here expecting to make friends, nor to impress people. Again, you're describing dynamics that only exist in your head. Respect? Reputation? Tell me Jim, who am I? What colour is my hair? What is my occupation? How do I like my eggs? You're anthropomorphizing the text on your screen. If this were the Oxford Debating Society, perhaps those things would count for something. No, of course not. Now is that because my question was so difficult? Noooooo. So why wouldn't Rob answer? I'll tell you why: because he doesn't like the answer. A more honest person would concede his weaknesses and deal with them. Rob's a premie. Rob had also attacked me, a la Shp (and most every other dumb-assed cult member I've argued with here) that I'm subjecting him to 'Jim Logic'. So I said: 'Tell me something, do you really think you fool anyone with your attack on 'Jim's Logic'?' His answer?: More emotive words: fool...attack. I think I made a fair comment in that I beleive your reasoning is underpinned by your agenda. Perhaps I should add that it's something we all do, consciously or otherwise. Yes, here's the phase where we get the brilliant premie analysis of the many 'hidden persuaders' we(I) use. Next we'll get Rob's expertise in the mystical arts of NLP and, if we're lucky, he might stick around long enough to do our colours. (Rob, am I a Fall person?) Rob, I dare you to find one instance where my reasoning isn't reasonable irrespective of my 'agenda'. Come on, show me one little blind spot in my logic, one place where my agenda's gotten the best of me. See, you premie assholes always do this. It's not enough that you're not able to converse openly and clearly about Maharaji, you have to project that weakness onto everyone else. God, I hate your trip! Then we have the next typical premie dance, playing dumb: Sometimes I just don't see what you're driving at, and therefore head off in the wrong direction. I'm not a mind reader. 'But what if he is/isn't the Lord?' In respect of what? My decision to stay with him? His 'reputation' in the world? The way Knowledge is being presented now? See what I mean, there are many avenues that can be explored from either of those two scenarios, I'm just not sure which one you are most interested in. Taek your pick, Rob, dumb or evasive. I'd asked you about Maharaji claiming to be God. Your answer was 'well what if he is?' I said fine, in that case, we're 'hooped'. I then asked you, conversely, waht if he isn't? You know damn well what I meant! But I'll play along with your silly game; it's not as if I don't deal with this kind of evasion regularly 'at work'. I'll spell it out for you: he claimed to be God. If he isn't God, what does that say about his credibility? Big surprise, eh Rob? Didn't mean to floor you like that. I mean, of course, how could you have seen that coming? Sorry I couldn't have been a little more gentle. You okay? Then we have the choicest bullshit in your whole post. I'd asked you how you could pretend to still be up for any sort of meaningful discussion here if you were so comfotable hiding behind your 'boundaries': 'There are also questions you refuse to explore (your 'boundaries', remember?)' Your answer shows how little your mind is engaged. Oh Lord, please give me a premie to talk with who doesn't make absurd analogies!: So why can't you respect that? I don't beleive it's at all uncommon for people to have boundaries in some aspects of their lives. I can tell you I'm married, that my wife is beautiful, that we get along fine, but I wouldn't go into bedroom details. I can tell you I'm financially comfortable, but I won't fax you my bank statement. I can tell you I spoke with Maharaji recently, but I won't tell you what was said. So if (I) won't go there, then let the discussion go elsewhere. Rob, you stupid, stupid jerk, you're not fucking Maharaji or sharing a bank account with him, are you? Those are private matters (in most cases, anyway). The places you won't go are just the logical destinations in a very impersonal discussion about whether or not Maharaji's a fraud. Boundaries? Yeah, your boundaries are all the places where you can't think of an answer. Ready? Really, are you ready Rob? Ready for what you asked for? Ready for the natural reaction to your cult-thinking? Okay, just for you: Go fuck yourself! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 00:23:37 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: No, I was ignoring you Message: temporarily, of course. I was also waiting to see if anyone else supported this thread last time you posted it. You know, a sort of concensus of opinion about the dastardly Robert. Messages of support, lynch mob, unilateral condemnation..... Nobody did. Interesting. So what the hell, yeah, give it another go. I see JHB went ape over a simple bit of fun I posted. Maybe he's hypoglycemic? OK, down to business. Your reference to my 'reputation' here. Well I did answer you, actually. Yes, in my own style, which you should know by now tends to be a little on the lighthearted side, perhaps obliquely, I'll admit that too. 'not wanting to be webmaster, not being on Xmas card list etc etc' were all references to the fact that I know a lot of you hate my guts. But in the same paragraph I was trying to allude to the fact that I didn't really care, that in this disembodied environment those emotions don't get past your modem. You feel them, I don't. There have also been a few pleasantries exchanged with others, so it's not all 'downhill'. I'd say it was a fairly normal reflection of what goes on in any social circle. Anyway, I'm not going to plod through the whole damn post picking up on every point, it's getting stale. This isn't about me, although you've pretty much made it that way, leastwise in our threads. I stick by my point about your agenda: your plan is to discredit me by fair means or foul, in typical lawyer fashion, so that any future response I give about Maharaji will be given little or no credence. Do you deny this? Now it's time for you to be honest. Here's one thing I haven't said before, but I'll say it now. Part of my reason for refusing to come right out and say some of the things you are trying to get me to say, is that I'm suspicious of your motives. I don't know where some of this stuff is going to end up. 'Evidence' in some lawsuit, perhaps? Testimony from 'someone close to the accused'? Ringing any bells, here? If I'm just being paranoid, if there is absolutely no foundation for this, I sincerely and unreservedly apologise. Time alone will tell. Hopefully that will shed a little light on my 'boundaries' for you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 00:37:01 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Fair is fair Message: ...your plan is to discredit me by fair means or foul, in typical lawyer fashion, so that any future response I give about Maharaji will be given little or no credence. Do you deny this? Now it's time for you to be honest. Yes and no. My 'plan' isn't a plan so much as a makeshift course of action that comes together on the heels of your continuing involvement here. Do I want to discredit you? Of course I do. If discrediting you means showing how fallacious your arguments are and then, going further, and showing that as a premie you're simply not capable of putting more on the table, yes, I do indeed want to discredit you. Indeed, I think I am discrediting you -- orm ore to the point, you're discrediting yourself. You're the skater, I'm just trying to provide a little play-by-play commentary. With instant replays, the whole thing. As for 'fair or foul', I take issue with that. I don't think for a moment I have or need to strike below the belt with you. It's mroe a matter of just pointing out the obvious. Here's one thing I haven't said before, but I'll say it now. Part of my reason for refusing to come right out and say some of the things you are trying to get me to say, is that I'm suspicious of your motives. I don't know where some of this stuff is going to end up. 'Evidence' in some lawsuit, perhaps? Testimony from 'someone close to the accused'? Ringing any bells, here? If I'm just being paranoid, if there is absolutely no foundation for this, I sincerely and unreservedly apologise. Time alone will tell. Hopefully that will shed a little light on my 'boundaries' for you. Yeah, you're paranoid and, perhaps, flattering yourself a bit too much here. There's no way in the world that some anonymous comments by some cult member -- even a PAM or semi-PAM -- are going to ... no, I shouldn't say that. I guess there are some things you could say that might disclose an interesting trail that's not already uncovered. But there's no way that I'm thinking of that when I'm talking to you. I'm just thinking of the truth, believe it or not. Okay, fine, so you're thinking of the possible ramifications of whatever you say. Look, Rob, if you can't handle an honest discussion about Maharaji, maybe you just shouldn't be here. Isn't it that simple? People here are trying to be honest with each other, believe it or not. Don't you think you should enter the game on the same level or simply stay out? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 01:09:19 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Fair is fair Message: Do I want to discredit you? Of course I do. If discrediting you means showing how fallacious your arguments are and then, going further, and showing that as a premie you're simply not capable of putting more on the table, yes, I do indeed want to discredit you. Indeed, I think I am discrediting you -- orm ore to the point, you're discrediting yourself. OK, so we're getting somewhere. Tell me this, then, is your reason for wanting to discredit me, not simply the fact that you feel able to, but is your reason that you think I am some Official Spokesperson, Spindoctor or what-have-you? Is that what this is really about? Any failing on my part to satisfy your sometimes extreme probing, has nothing to do with having Knowledge. In your line of work, when faced with a similar resistance or failure to concede to your question, do you assume that person is a premie? Of course not. So why attribute all my so-called fallacious arguments to my being a premie? Next, if you're saying here that you are not involved in preparing any legal action against M or EV, either alone or with others, then my pre-emptive apology was needed, and I'll repeat it here gladly. Look, Rob, if you can't handle an honest discussion about Maharaji, maybe you just shouldn't be here. Isn't it that simple? People here are trying to be honest with each other, believe it or not. Don't you think you should enter the game on the same level or simply stay out? Well this relates to other threads I've read concerning shp, catweasle et al and the conditions of entry to the Forum. I am not deliberately writing any untruths here, and don't intend to. Yes, there are things I'm not comfortable discussing, for reasons I've given and for just darn inhibitions on my part. I don't have all the answers, I don't want to answer some questions. However, I have yet to see a ruling by Barney that these are considered grounds for expulsion. I can contribute what I can contribute. Why is that not sufficient? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 02:37:23 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Fair is fair Message: Tell me this, then, is your reason for wanting to discredit me, not simply the fact that you feel able to, but is your reason that you think I am some Official Spokesperson, Spindoctor or what-have-you? Is that what this is really about? No, that's got nothing to do with it. In fact, I don't think of you in that capacity. I mean, how would I know? I just treat you like someone else trying to fog up my window onto my life. Any failing on my part to satisfy your sometimes extreme probing, has nothing to do with having Knowledge. In your line of work, when faced with a similar resistance or failure to concede to your question, do you assume that person is a premie? Of course not. So why attribute all my so-called fallacious arguments to my being a premie? In my line of work, people who dance like you do are always hiding something. There are smart liars and dumb ones. Affable and unpleasant. But in terms of candour? Rob, get serious. You know your game just like we all do: admit the small shit so that you can evade the larger points. It's pretty transparent, isn't it? Well this relates to other threads I've read concerning shp, catweasle et al and the conditions of entry to the Forum. I am not deliberately writing any untruths here, and don't intend to. Yes, there are things I'm not comfortable discussing, for reasons I've given and for just darn inhibitions on my part. I don't have all the answers, I don't want to answer some questions. However, I have yet to see a ruling by Barney that these are considered grounds for expulsion. I can contribute what I can contribute. Why is that not sufficient? Sorry, Rob, I don't buy this. Not for a second. You get asked a pointed question that, if you were fair, open and honest, would instantly direct your mind to the obvious answer. We're not talking rocket science. So what do you do? You see where your mind gets directed and then you shut up. Rob, that's dishonest. It's a sin of ommission, if not commission. Same thing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:17:58 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Fair is fair (jim) Message: No, that's got nothing to do with it. In fact, I don't think of you in that capacity. I mean, how would I know? I just treat you like someone else trying to fog up my window onto my life. Well I'm glad we cleared that point up, because I've said right from the gitgo that I'm not Maharaji's spokesman, ambassador, spindoctor, publicist, PR man or whatever. I speak only for myself, so if you're going to pass judgement, pass it on me only, not on him or other premies. In my line of work, people who dance like you do are always hiding something. There are smart liars and dumb ones. Affable and unpleasant. But in terms of candour? Rob, get serious. You know your game just like we all do: admit the small shit so that you can evade the larger points. It's pretty transparent, isn't it? OK, but you're not at work here, or are you? I notice you didn't copy/paste my query about legal action and respond to it, is there something you are hiding there? Works both ways. So long as you continue to look at me with suspicion and that keen analytical mind of yours (and yes, I do admire your abilities) you will always find something to criticize. But that's true of everything. When you have that skill, which you obviously do, you can pick holes in any statement, be it true or false. Sorry, Rob, I don't buy this. Not for a second. You get asked a pointed question that, if you were fair, open and honest, would instantly direct your mind to the obvious answer. We're not talking rocket science. So what do you do? You see where your mind gets directed and then you shut up. Rob, that's dishonest. It's a sin of ommission, if not commission. Same thing. Two things wrong with this statement. First, your 'pointed questions' are always rhetorical, as indicated by the fact that you consider the answer 'obvious'. The truth isn't necessarily obvious, if it were, none of this discussion would be required. Second, you assume everything about Knowledge can be assessed and validated by our minds. I don't. I mentioned in another thread that Knowledge can't be picked apart and examined like a cadaver. I know that and won't mentally pursue some directions with you for that reason. It's not dishonesty, it's not sinful, it's recognizing how far you can take this thing on an intellectual level and leaving it at that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 16:39:14 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: Wrong, wrong, WRONG! Message: OK, but you're not at work here, or are you? I notice you didn't copy/paste my query about legal action and respond to it, is there something you are hiding there? Works both ways. So long as you continue to look at me with suspicion and that keen analytical mind of yours (and yes, I do admire your abilities) you will always find something to criticize. But that's true of everything. When you have that skill, which you obviously do, you can pick holes in any statement, be it true or false. Rob, I'm not 'at work' here but, as I've always said, I'd lvoe to fry the greasy Hamster's ass. You know that. I've done all I could to assist in this IRS report and look forward to the day they actually do something. I think they've got more than enough to go on but if you have anything you'd like to add I can probably hook you up. Hey, don't be shy; email me. The 'wrong, wrong, WRONG' reference was to your suggesting that I'm into spurious arguments. That's bullshit and offensive. I'm into the truth, here, Rob and, contrary to your contention, you can't pick holes in any statement just by trying. I mean, come on, man, look atht efucking statements we're talking about! These are the easy ones, Rob. There are millions of subtler things the Big Gopher's said that no one's mentioning largely because you would be able to quibble with interpretation. These ain't those; they're the other ones. Two things wrong with this statement. First, your 'pointed questions' are always rhetorical, as indicated by the fact that you consider the answer 'obvious'. The truth isn't necessarily obvious, if it were, none of this discussion would be required. You're confused. There's nothing about a 'rhetorical' question that lessens the questionee's obligaiton to answer it. So what if the answer's obvious to either the questioner or questionee? Makes no difference. None at all. Really, I don't see what you're trying to say here. Is it that the questions cll for such obvious answers that you're not going to participate in this dog and pony show or something like that? Or, conversely is it that I might think I'm asking a 'rhetorical' question (i.e. one calling for an obvious answer) but I'm really not? What re you saying? But as for the discussion proving there are legitimately different points of view, get real! The discussion could prove that or it could simply be showing the recalcitrance of the cult members refusing to acknolwedge the truth in spite of an overwhelming mountain of evidence. What do you think of Holocaust revisionism, Rob? Second, you assume everything about Knowledge can be assessed and validated by our minds. I don't. I mentioned in another thread that Knowledge can't be picked apart and examined like a cadaver. I know that and won't mentally pursue some directions with you for that reason. It's not dishonesty, it's not sinful, it's recognizing how far you can take this thing on an intellectual level and leaving it at that. This is just a hoary old cult classic concept. Don't bring that shit around here, boy. It doesn't even make sense on Maharaji's own terms. There's nothing undiscussable about what Maharaji has and hasn't said, done or hasn't done. There's nothing undiscussable about the nature of life, the mind, etc. Nothing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 04:45:02 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: JIM Subject: Bingo! Rob wants law suit info Message: HAHAHAHA Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 06:01:12 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: cp Subject: NO! Don't talk about lawsuit! Message: Come on! The only reason I'm letting Rob continue to post is to get the one tidbit that we don't yet have. He's got it! I know he does. You know that lap dancing club that he goes to? Well, I've spent some big money on some of the girls there to get me the dope on Rob. And they're telling me some great stuff. Rob is so high in EV and has so much insider Knowledge that his testimony, even hearsay, will bring the whole thing down and I can get a big settlement, close up this website, and take off for the South Pacific. Simple and easy! Don't blow this for me! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 06:11:07 (EDT)
From: the gals Email: None To: barney Subject: 'doncha worry bout a thang.. Message: shugar' We dont even unnerstan that ferin babble he talks when he gits 'agoin. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 09:09:54 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: barney Subject: Lawsuits 'A Civil Action' (ot) Message: Anyone who reads this forum regularly probably knows that I am extremely averse to the idea of lawsuits in general, as a result of having been involved in a medical malpractice suit with my family (as a result of my dad's death). We won the suit but I would not go through it again if I had the choice - it was grueling and emotionally exhausting. Anyway, I just read a great non-fiction book about a lawsuit which I recommend HIGHLY, and which really reflected my feelings about lawsuits in general. It's a good story even if you're not interested in the law, and shows some of the weird stuff that can happen even if you have a very good case. It's called 'A Civil Action' by Jonathan Harr and is about a lawsuit against two major corporations for polluting some drinking water wells which allegedly caused major health problems in a community near Boston. The lawyer, Jan Schlitmann, who took the case, bankrupts himself, and almost ruins his law firm in his determination to try and win the case (which IMHO he SHOULD have won) but is stymied at every turn by weird decisions by the judge and higher courts. If anyone would like to borrow this book, I'd be happy to lend it to them, BTW. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:59:25 (EDT)
From: Mary m Email: None To: Katie Subject: Lawsuits 'A Civil Action' (ot) Message: Hi Katie, Thanks for the insightful post. Personally, I'd rather go through a root canal without novacaine that get involved in a 'Civil Action'. L, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 11:37:20 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: barney Subject: Et tu, Barney? Message: The only reason? I thought it was for my charm, wit and brilliant conversations. I'm crushed, Barney, crushed. Hey, but please, keep bribing the girls for me, they're doing a grand job! Besides, I already let slip about the genetic engineering (cf 'Funny' thread). What more do you want? Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:44:05 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: cp Subject: Bingo! Rob wants law suit info Message: So it's true then? Fine, see you in court? Let's do lunch after. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:47:06 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob wants law suit info Message: Rob: Anyone can file a lawsuit anytime. It's kind of useless to speculate about that sort of thing. But even if someone were to do that, I have a hard time understanding how you expressing your feelings and understanding about Maharaji and his cult would have any relevence. So I think your concern there is kind of ridiculous. Also, regarding your honest attempts to answer questions, I do notice that I have posted a couple of what I believed were honest and thoughtful responses to you on this forum and you have chosen to ignore them. Is there some reason for this? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 12:54:17 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: JW Subject: Unanswered questions(JW) Message: JW Not deliberately. I don't spend all day reading the Forum, and I don't usually scroll all the way down the threads and read every post. Sometimes I get caught up in a one-on-one with somebody (no prizes!) and lose track of other people's questions. If there is anything pressing, copy it back to me, but it will be later on when I reply, as I'm just about to leave for a few hours. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 13:17:31 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Rob Subject: Unanswered questions(JW) Message: Rob, I understand about not being able to read all the posts. I don't do it either because of time constraints. But I thought your earlier defense of Maharaji as being a kid, manipulated by others, etc., when he was claiming to be the incarnation of god, was a key issue. So, I responded as follows and I would be interested in hearing your response: I wanted to add one or two comments to what Jim said. For me, like Jim, the key point is that at some point Prem Pal wasn't a kid anymore and realized he wasn't god, despite the fact that he had portrayed himself that way for years. He made exactly zero attempt to come clean on that issue and make it very clear that he wasn't god, that he WAS deluded, mistaken or used by his family, or whatever. And that deception was done as a mature adult, continuing into his 40s. As Jim said, he knew full well that thousands of his followers believed he was the incarnation of god and dedicated their lives accordingly. And he has done ZERO to take ANY responsiblity for that, or even to provide a explanation of what REALLY happened-- either he was deluded or lying. The other point is that Maharaji wasn't playing god just in his youth as you imply. At least until I left his cult in 1983, at which time he was in his mid-20s, he was still sitting on thrones, wearing Krishna crowns, giving darshan and demanding that we dedicate and surrender our lives to him. He was still playing god and still comparing himself to Jesus and Krishna. He was no kid Rob, so your spinning explanation doesn't fly with me and I can't understand how you can accept that. The truth is, it wasn't the premies who FORCED him to play god. He did it consciously himself as an adult. And also as an adult, he changed his tune, at least superficially, although he is STILL having people line up to kiss his feet. So, at some point he obviously knew it wasn't appropriate to play god anymore and he tried to tone it down, and yet he still accepted no responbility for what he had done. To me, that rules him out as any kind of spiritual 'master' with any kind of integrity. Not someone you would want to get involved with, no matter how nice some meditation techniques make you feel. There are all kinds of gurus around, and he is definitely a 'bad guru.' Of course the fact that he has accumulated obscenewealth in this whole process appears to me to be the apparent motivation for his NOT taking any responsiblity and continuing to play the god game, just with toned down rhetoric. I have a hard time seeing any other one, besides the old, tired, cult-logic of 'lila.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 18:39:58 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Rob Subject: Bingo! Rob wants law suit info Message: Actually, I may change my mind. It depends on how I feel after seeing the John Travolta movie Civil Action. I was not born yesterday and I need to know what I am getting into. Seriously, I have been through a couple of suits and am very content to leave them to those who are less affected by the legal scene. I will probably withdraw from the lawsuit committe and confine myself to the simplest project, which is the Tabloid/Independant Newspapers' Expozez committee. The LA weekly is open for copy. Can you do lunch on in Santa Monica? :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 21:52:01 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: No, I was ignoring you Message: Rob, I don't recall going 'apeshit'. Please remind me, maybe I was drunk. Here's one thing I haven't said before, but I'll say it now. Part of my reason for refusing to come right out and say some of the things you are trying to get me to say, is that I'm suspicious of your motives. I don't know where some of this stuff is going to end up. 'Evidence' in some lawsuit, perhaps? Testimony from 'someone close to the accused'? Ringing any bells, here? If I'm just being paranoid, if there is absolutely no foundation for this, I sincerely and unreservedly apologise. Time alone will tell. Hopefully that will shed a little light on my 'boundaries' for you. This statement really shoes us where you are coming from. Exes here are in the very fortunate, and blessed, position of being able to be totally honest. We admit we made a monumentally stupid mistake in believing him, and announce it to the web. Many of us have given our real names and email addresses with our journeys. But you Rob think there is some hidden agenda. No, there isn't - we are being totally up front. If M has any power, we are saying, strike us down. But of course he hasn't. He is a small scale con-man who doesn't want his scam held up to public srutiny. When you see a debate leading somewhere, feel free to follow it. The only casualty will be deceit. John Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 17:27:49 (EDT)
From: RT singhs Dylan Email: omm.. To: the tune of... Subject: Everybody Must Get Stoned Message: Someone YOU know in a Cult? Can’t reason with their ‘experience?’ So, get a harmonica, and at least, sing this song, because sooner or later... Every Premie Must Get Shown thanks to Bob Dylan Well, they’ll zone you when you’re Attending to be good. (They zone you just like Exes said they would) They’ll zone you when you’re frying, far from home (Yeah, they’ll phone you just to Serve-Us, all alone) (But I could not reel from the ozone; Every Premie - Just Get Omm’d!) Well, they zone you when you’re Walking to his Feet They’ll zone you when you’re sneaking to a seat They’ll zone you when you’re Serving on THE floor They’ll zone you when you’re peeking through THE door (But I should not squeal upon the phone, Every Premie Must Get Omm’d) They’ll zone you when you’re at Donation Table They’ll zone you ‘cause you are so impression-able They’ll zone you when you’re giving your last buck They’ll zone you and say ‘it’s Maharaji’s luck! (But I do not mind. The Master’s flown; Every Premie Trusts...Get Omm’d?) ~ h a r m o n i c a r i f f s ~ Well, they’ll zone you and say ‘Guru is your friend. They’ll zone you and come play that tape, again. They’ll zone you as you ‘brainwash’ - in your car! They’ll zone you when you hear Arti (Guitar) (Yes, but I would not press my eyes as shown; Each Devotee’s Mind is Cloned.) Well, they’ll zone you ‘cause you should hear The Tone They’ll zone you when you are wailing ‘Take Me Home They’ll zone you with your VISA: Knowledge Saves! They’ll zone you when you think: Maharaji craves... But I should have learned this long ego: Liberation? Just Pay! Groan!! RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 15, 1999 at 19:45:42 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: RT singhs Dylan Subject: Everybody Must Get Stoned Message: RT: Another masterpiece! Keep them coming. I hope Stacey (below) read this! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 08:48:04 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: RT Subject: Everybody Must Get Stoned Message: Great stuff, RT! You're killing me swiftly with your songs... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:03:04 (EDT)
From: RT Email: Omm, omm on deranged To: the tune of Subject: 'For What It's Worth' Message: ...thank you, I In-joy the fun of singing the truth about.. a cooth! This is for BARNEY, our new Webmaster! For Rawat, It’s Worth Thanks to the Buffallo Springfield (on the Forrest Gump movie soundtrack) There’s OM-thing happening here Maharaji is...not exactly clear. There’s a Guru on the run, over there- This tells me, I have to be aware. I think it’s time we Stop Premies, Rawats’ found! Everybody look - He’s going down. The Battle: Mind’s being drawn Nobody’s right, if Satguru is wrong Ex-premies posting their finds are getting so much resistance from Cult minds Think it’s time we Stop Premies, Rawats’ found! everybody look - recruitment’s down. What a tired day for The Feet: A thousand Ex-es, not discrete, posting hurts, and a linking of sites Mostly say, Guru Not Inside! Think it’s time we Stop Premies, Rawats’ found! everybody look - devotion’s down Paranoia strikes deep, Into His Site it did creep It starts when donations aren’t made Step out of line, the Bank come, repo The Plane... Think it’s time we Stop Premies, Rawats’ found! everybody look, His Prostate’s down..... Think it’s time we Stop Premies, Rawats’ found! everybody look, His Prostate’s down.... Think it’s time we Stop Premies, Rawats’ found everybody look, His Prostate’s down.... RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 14:03:19 (EDT)
From: Marshall Email: None To: RT Subject: 'For What It's Worth' Message: Hey RT Thanks for the laugh! I have to admit I was feeling a little down today but your songs just hit the spot. Keep up the good work! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 14:50:47 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT Subject: 'For What It's Worth' Message: Maybe his testosterone too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 16:09:23 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: RT Subject: 'For What It's Worth' Message: Dear RT, Thanks for sharing your talent, you bring a smile to all our faces! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 17:02:34 (EDT)
From: RT singhs Seger Email: Om let me see To: the tune of Subject: 'Against The Wind' Message: This is for all you Exes’ who sincerely help others leave Maharaji’s Cult. ...And so, they write off into the Pun set, armed with only their Life and The Inner Brain.. they are.. the True TAO-boys of the Internet! Gu-Ru Away! Whim: 1. A sudden or capricious idea: a passing fancy. 2. Arbitrary thought or impulse. Example: 'Maharaji had a whim for letting his followers stay confused but devoted through exploitative videos.' See Cultic Programming. Against The Whim Thanks to Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band, 1980 Seems like just a play, but it was wrong ego. The sisters were lovely, they were the Cream of the Cult Sitting in darkness, with the cushions laying so, and... ...And 4 Techniques we ‘shared - To Arti that we moved - Caught in a brainwashing, out of control Till there was nothing left to own - but framed photos for proof. And I remember, Instructor said to me How she swore my life to the end! I remember how she held my ears oh-so-tight Wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then! Against The Whim I AM Now Punning Against The Whim I was done - and wronged - and Now I’m Punning Against The Whim The tears rolled slowly past... And I found myself a Loan. Surrendered with Devotees I thought were my friends Found myself further and further from buying a home. I guess I lost my say. There were oh so many roads. I was living to Serve (and charging to live) Never worrying about pain or even how much I owed. Darshan?? - 8 cities a month for years at a time. Breaking all of the rules except by Him I began to found myself hurting: Looking for Rawat in a Web search engine. Against The Whim: Ex-Premies Against The Whim! I found myself in a Net Site Against The Whim! ~ piano segment ~ Well, those Serve-us days are passed me now I’ve got so much more to think about: Death, lives and Commitment What to leave in. When to leave doubt. Against The Whim, I’m still Running Against The Whim. I’m older now, but still Running Against the Whim. Well, I’m older now, and I’m still Gunning...Against The Whim. Against The Whim Against The Whim Against The Whim -Still Punning- Against The Whim I’m still running: I Can’t Stand Him! Against The Whim.. I was done in! Against The Whim.. I’m still writing I Can’t Stand Him Against The Whim - Still Coming - Against The Whim. Punning Against The Hymn (Running; the rest is dim...) Against The Whim See the God-man writhe! Watch the God-man writhe! Against The Whim. Watch the God-man writhing. Against The Whim. We’ll be writing Against the Whim Against The Whim. Let the TAO-boys Write! Against The Whim. Against The Whim. Let the TAO-boys Write! Against The Whim. They’ll be Writing Against The Whim. Against The Whim! Against The Whim. Writing: I Can’t Stand Him! Against The Whim. Against The Whim. Write Write Write Write Right RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 17:59:05 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: RT singhs Seger Subject: 'Against The Wind' Message: That was great, it actually brought tears to my eyes. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 20:52:17 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: RT singhs Seger Subject: 'Against The Wind' Message: Dear RT, Once again... :), I was laughing out loud when I read ~piano segment~ and in your above ditty, harmonica interlude or whatever it was exactly. What a sweet heart you are! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 14:48:45 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT singhs Dylan Subject: Everybody Must Get Stoned Message: As usual--excellent. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 16:36:05 (EDT)
From: Roger EMI Drek Email: None To: RT singhs Dylan Subject: Gets its own section on Drek Message: These songs were so inspiring I had to create a new section of Songs and Poems at Roger's House of Maharaji Drek Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 16:40:24 (EDT)
From: RT Email: omm To: Roger EMI Drek Subject: Don't forget Larkin! Message: or I'll be barkin. arf. arf RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |