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Forum III Archive # 54 | |
From: Jun 28, 1999 |
To: Jul 8, 1999 |
Page: 3 Of: 5 |
JHB -:- Jim -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:36:55 (EDT) __Gerry -:- Jim -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:43:43 (EDT) __Tom -:- Jim -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:39:27 (EDT) ____Runamok -:- The Forum Gym -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:31:28 (EDT) ______Tom -:- The Forum Gym -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:45:22 (EDT) ______Helen -:- The Forum -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 08:57:46 (EDT) ________KB -:- The Forum -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:01:59 (EDT) ______g's mom -:- Runamok good post -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:30:40 (EDT) ________Runamok -:- Runamok good post -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:15:17 (EDT) __________Tom -:- Runamok good post -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 04:06:46 (EDT) ____________barney -:- That would net you $ 599.55 -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 04:59:04 (EDT) ______________Runamok -:- Quotations??? -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 10:23:13 (EDT) ________________Tom -:- Quotations??? -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 18:07:55 (EDT) __________________barney 17 -:- there you go, you want more -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 18:31:58 (EDT) ____________________Tom -:- there you go, you want more -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 18:57:30 (EDT) ____________AJW -:- $39.97 a year -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:08:58 (EDT) ______AJW -:- For 'um Jim' -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 14:09:35 (EDT) ________AJW -:- The Forum Gym -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:04:45 (EDT) __________Katie -:- to anth the pun man -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:36:25 (EDT) ____________AJW -:- Katie in the Garrett -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:46:51 (EDT) ______________Katie -:- Katie in the Garrett -:- Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 12:49:40 (EDT) ________________AJW -:- I deny everything (nt) -:- Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 13:03:12 (EDT) ________Runamok -:- For Jim Anth -:- Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 00:13:07 (EDT) Rob -:- Catweasel: Time to stand up -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:44:52 (EDT) __JHB -:- Catweasel: Time to stand up -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:58:21 (EDT) ____Katie -:- Catweasel is NOT blocked -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:22:35 (EDT) ______Rob -:- Catweasel is NOT blocked -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:34:12 (EDT) ________Katie -:- Catweasel is NOT blocked -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 00:35:58 (EDT) __________Rob -:- Having a good time -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:35:42 (EDT) ____________Katie -:- Having a good time (very OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:43:05 (EDT) ______________CD -:- Having a good time (very OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 05:39:42 (EDT) ____________Tom -:- Having a good time -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:30:55 (EDT) ____________AJW -:- Having a good time -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:39:27 (EDT) ____________Gail -:- Rob: A saint doesn't need -:- Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 00:04:14 (EDT) __g's mom -:- this is dramatic -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:04:19 (EDT) ____g's mom -:- You have a MAC???? (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:06:55 (EDT) ____Liz -:- this is dramatic -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:28:48 (EDT) ____Rob -:- this is dramatic (not) -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:04:00 (EDT) ______Gerry -:- Rotten vegetables, perhaps? -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:22:49 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Rotten vegetables, perhaps? -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:32:02 (EDT) __________gerry -:- You misunderstood me -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:38:26 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Me misunderstood you -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:19:57 (EDT) ________Who -:- Rotten vegetables, perhaps? -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:47:28 (EDT) __________Rob -:- vision? -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:31:51 (EDT) ______g's mom -:- wacky worlds -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:17:40 (EDT) ________Rob -:- wacky worlds -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 00:17:58 (EDT) __________g's mom -:- wacky world -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 00:27:15 (EDT) ____________liz -:- wacky world -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:56:49 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- wacky world -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:46:25 (EDT) ______________g's mom -:- wacky world -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:19:05 (EDT) ________________gerry -:- wacky world -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 22:39:12 (EDT) ______JW -:- Actions are Louder -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 10:54:53 (EDT) ________wm -:- Actions are Louder -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:37:07 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Actions are Louder -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:30:14 (EDT) __________Know It All -:- Actions are Louder -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:54:38 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Actions are Louder -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:22:08 (EDT) ______________KB -:- Actions are Louder -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:54:56 (EDT) ______________Wm -:- My Guess -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:23:34 (EDT) __________JW -:- What? -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 14:22:57 (EDT) ________Catweasel -:- You're doing the talking Rob -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:03:04 (EDT) __Wm -:- Hey Rob -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:01:37 (EDT) ____Rob -:- Hey Rob -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:15:20 (EDT) ______Wm -:- yeah, right (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:25:09 (EDT) ________Gerry -:- To Wm -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:27:35 (EDT) __________Wm -:- sounds like -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:33:03 (EDT) ____________Gerry -:- sounds like -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:40:41 (EDT) ______________Wm -:- opps, it sounded like -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:38:45 (EDT) ______Know It All -:- Rob Anderson -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:28:38 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Know it All -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:24:15 (EDT) __________CD -:- Know -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:05:33 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- In a minute -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:22:02 (EDT) __________KB -:- Know it All -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:22:58 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Guessing -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:47:06 (EDT) ______________KB-bill burke -:- Guessing -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:47:06 (EDT) ________________Catweasel -:- Guessing -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:08:00 (EDT) __________Gerry -:- the word ''premie'' -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 22:46:30 (EDT) __Sir Dave -:- Brings back memories -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:18:53 (EDT) ____Rob -:- Not that Bob -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:32:09 (EDT) ______JHB -:- Not that Bob -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:00:51 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Not that pub -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:06:15 (EDT) __________Liz -:- Rob, Rob, Rob -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:06:50 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Rob, Rob, Rob (OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:44:12 (EDT) ______________Rob -:- Anne Briggs (OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:07:50 (EDT) ________________Liz -:- Anne Briggs (OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:23:58 (EDT) ________________Rob -:- Anne Briggs again OT -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:57:42 (EDT) ______________Liz -:- Rob, Rob, Rob (OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:26:39 (EDT) ________________Liz -:- Rob, Rob, Rob (OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:29:18 (EDT) __________________Rob -:- Liz Liz Liz(OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:48:36 (EDT) ____________________CD -:- Liz Liz Liz(OT) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:00:49 (EDT) __________________JHB -:- Half Moon! (nt) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:21:45 (EDT) __________JHB -:- Not that pub -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:18:49 (EDT) ____________Liz -:- Not that pub -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 20:18:54 (EDT) __Catweasel -:- Rob ,youre a tripper. -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:54:41 (EDT) ____Know It All -:- Rob ,youre a tripper. -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:44:22 (EDT) ____Rob -:- Thought so... -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:15:15 (EDT) ______Orlando -:- Thought so... -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:11:23 (EDT) ________KB -:- uhhh, Bruce... -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:51:21 (EDT) ________Rob -:- Thought so... -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:53:56 (EDT) __________Orlando -:- Thought so... -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 16:18:52 (EDT) ____________Orlando -:- one last note -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 16:31:58 (EDT) ______________Rob -:- one last note -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 20:36:11 (EDT) ______________KB -:- one last note -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 23:34:19 (EDT) __________KB -:- Sheesh!-watch out Orlando+Cat -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 23:54:34 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Fireworks -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:45:02 (EDT) ______________KB...you mean, shineing a -:- light in your direction. -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:27:26 (EDT) ________barney -:- premie email suggestion -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:00:00 (EDT) __________barney -:- another email suggestion -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:23:11 (EDT) ____________Rob -:- Barney's right, -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:38:36 (EDT) ______________barney -:- now you/I've done it -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:55:26 (EDT) AJW -:- Party Time (Long Post) -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 15:49:06 (EDT) __Selene -:- Party Time (Long Post) -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 16:23:02 (EDT) __Roger Half-Pint Drek -:- soon to be a ***Best*** -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 17:57:57 (EDT) ____AJW -:- soon to be a ***Best*** -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 09:34:28 (EDT) __fred -:- Party Time (Long Post) -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:18:17 (EDT) ____selene -:- daya gets the blues -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:33:51 (EDT) ______thither -:- daya gets the blues -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:05:40 (EDT) ________Selene -:- daya gets the blues -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 22:55:18 (EDT) __g's mom -:- AJW superb post! It was better -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:35:23 (EDT) __no heels -:- Request for AJW -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 08:43:29 (EDT) ____AJW -:- Request for AJW -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 19:37:19 (EDT) __Squatter -:- Party Time (Long Post) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 09:16:53 (EDT) ____chr -:- Party Time (Long Post) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 18:31:33 (EDT) ____AJW -:- Party Time (Long Post) -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 19:38:34 (EDT) Liz -:- Filling in the Void -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 15:07:39 (EDT) __AJW -:- Filling in the Void -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 16:29:42 (EDT) ____Liz -:- Filling in the Void -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:54:08 (EDT) ______JHB -:- Filling in the Void -:- Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:09:50 (EDT) ______AJW -:- NPP -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:08:16 (EDT) ________Liz -:- Isn't It Ironic -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 19:42:47 (EDT) __________Rob -:- Isn't It Ironic -:- Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 20:52:07 (EDT) ____________Liz -:- Enlightenment - not -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:08:44 (EDT) ______________Liz -:- Enlightenment - not -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:15:44 (EDT) ________________Rob -:- Enlightenment - not -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 19:51:14 (EDT) __________________JHB -:- Enlightenment - not -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 20:03:30 (EDT) ______________Marianne -:- Enlightenment - not -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 21:25:46 (EDT) ____________AJW -:- Enlightment -:- Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 09:29:54 (EDT) |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:36:55 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: brauns@dircon.co.uk To: Brian Subject: Jim Message: Brian, I have read your interesting post to Jim on Sir Dave's forum. I must tell you it looks like you have been harboring strong anti-Jim feelings for a long time, and have been looking for an opportunity to attack him. You of course have the right to do what you like here (the same way I tried to take my cricket back when I got upset as a child during a game). However, I think you should look at the posts that support Jim, and the posts that express genuine bafflement about the whole issue, and either give a genuine explanation for what has happened, or remove the block. I have not read a single post supporting your stance. This forum will not be able to continue with the shadow of unfair treatment. I suspect you are considering packing it all in. That would be your choice. It would be very sad. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:43:43 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: JHB Subject: Jim Message: This forum will not be able to continue with the shadow of unfair treatment. I suspect you are considering packing it all in. That would be your choice. It would be very sad. Hell I'll do it. I have to be in front of this stupid machine everyday anyway. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:39:27 (EDT)
From: Tom Email: None To: JHB Subject: Jim Message: You said: 'I got upset as a child', bla bla bla........... 'I have not read a single post supporting your stance.' 'give a genuine explanation for what has happened' You are, [OFF]. Re-read your B.S. above, do you see your problem. I support his, {stance}. This is not about a popularity contest, he is if you have really been reading doing an outstanding job, all things considered. It only takes a phone call, and a, 'I am sorry'. Then your sweety jimmy can, try to be a real person on this Forum. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:31:28 (EDT)
From: Runamok Email: None To: Tom Subject: The Forum Gym Message: I cannot see this being about right and wrong or principles. People who miss Jim, that's a reasonable sentiment. It's really about how much work goes into the forum by the webmasters and being able to show some respect towards them. More than once I have thought that Jim was totally full of shit but out of respect did not immediately confront him. (Okay, maybe I did say it some of the time.) It's part of life to compromise. Just because we compromised our entires life to some fake savior at one time doesn't mean that when people who are serving us need some respect we already gave our obeisances at the office. Jim has been blocked for what, 48 hours? 72? It's not exactly the end of the world. I expect to see him back online. If the situation is going to develop where the main action for exes is on a different site, or if someone else takes over this site, then I guess it's possible that the forum might return to 'normalcy', whatever the fuck that is. For myself, I would prefer to see a less argumentative atmosphere. The whole issue of blocking people seems interrelated to the volatility of the forum. If it's totally enflamed there really won't be much communication. We're people and we like to make the association of being ex-premies. And we seem to like to make that association in a kind of centralized manner- we like to have a central site to meet at. It would be a shame to lose that unity (but I don't think we will). Brian has made it clear that he has gotten burnt out from the forumm at least in the past. My loyalty in this situation has to be to Brian and Katie because I am essentially there guest. While Jim has had something to do with gathering of exes on the internet, it's Brian and Katie who actually provide the space for us to do that. They have been doing so for 2 years. This is not about principles, it's human stuff. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:45:22 (EDT)
From: Tom Email: None To: Runamok Subject: The Forum Gym Message: This is not about principles, it's human stuff 'principles' - Principles - Are they but not reflections of us, a sort of the way we believe/create/make rules to live as happy as possible/dream, yes it's all Human Stuff! Do you think, or are you just being thought? Hahaha....... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 08:57:46 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Runamok/everyone Subject: The Forum Message: Great post, Run. I for one agree that Brian & Katie have the right to decide what they can live with since they are the ones doing all the work. It was really getting annoying when Jim, Barney , and Joey were going at it, in every thread, about oblique accusations that none of us knew anything about. This really was not the appropriate place for all of that to be aired. Brian and Katie were trying to work things out with the parties off line, and it wasn't doing any good for the tempest to keep going on here. I personally felt like any premie coming here for support or help during that time would have thought this was the shithole 'world' of 'Mind' that M warned us about--petty, aggressive, angry, cutthroat. When there is no semblance of civility it is pretty intimidating to want to post here. Barney, I am not saying that you are petty to feel wrongly accused of something, but it wasn't getting resolved here. Drawing everyone else into it was not helping the situation, it was just fanning the flames, and would have continued on and on and on, drawing more people into it. Jim does have a gift for intellectual argument, & debate, but he doesn't have a knack for helping people to resolve things. So it just escalated and escalated. Maybe it's a guy thing, but I do NOT enjoy seeing people squabble, call each other assholes, and tell each other to fuck themselves. Arguing for argument's sake does NOT have entertainment value for me. I usually just ignore that stuff, but it really was out of hand, IMO, during this past week. Again, Brian and Katie have the right to set whatever limits they need to set in order to stay sane, and to keep this forum on track. Limit setting is a shitty job, but I would NOT want to be hanging out on a forum of this nature, a forum that was a specific purpose, where noone was in charge. I too, am pretty bored with the gooroo these days but I am fond of my ex-forum friends and want to stick around. I think we will keep it going because of the urge to help others who need information. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:01:59 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Helen Subject: The Forum Message: Hi Helen, We were bored with the guru for most all of the time we were trapped in his lying lordship. Think back. Boredom was standard in the world stripped of our own wants and needs. Jim is on vacation and that is that. He is not going to try to bridge any gap right now. Fourth of July is a popular time for vacations even for Canadians. This is at least his third vacation and I don't think his return will have anything to do with opinions on this issue posted on threads here no matter what is said. time will pass first Just my guess Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:30:40 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Runamok good post Message: Very much how I feel. Sort of as if we are all invited to someone's home. Well, if a guest offends the host, he has a right to show him the door. But I am still sad, because part of the reason I enjoy the parties so much is that this guest is so witty. Yeah, he can be offensive too, but it doesn't get to me that much. But it isn't my house, maybe if it were I would feel the same way. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:15:17 (EDT)
From: Runamok Email: None To: g's mom Subject: Runamok good post Message: I'd sorta like to hear from Katie and Brian in the way of opinions- the need for mediation seems to limit their ability to be opinionated. It's a shame and I think if someone else ran the forum we might hear more from them along these lines. They need a chance to take advantage of the service they have worked so hard to provide. The truth is that I don't see anyone on the horizon aside from them. I am not saying much about Jim. The issue of blocking people isn't personal, its about Brian and Katie's rights. Any other way of looking at it presupposes someone able to take over the webmaster job who is able to- or someone with a lot of money to hire someone to do that. Any of those situations are problemmatic anyway. Commitment is what keeps the site up and running. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 04:06:46 (EDT)
From: Tom Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Runamok good post Message: The truth is that I don't see anyone on the horizon aside from them. I am not saying much about Jim. The issue of blocking people isn't personal, its about Brian and Katie's rights. Any other way of looking at it presupposes someone able to take over the webmaster job who is able to- or someone with a lot of money to hire someone to do that. Any of those situations are problemmatic anyway. _______________////////////////__________________________ If everyone would pay $39.97 a year, I could make it happen. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 04:59:04 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Tom Subject: That would net you $ 599.55 Message: Such a deal! Now, if only you could get those premie lurkers to pay you could retire in three years. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 10:23:13 (EDT)
From: Runamok Email: None To: Tom Subject: Quotations??? Message: Hey Tom, could you put quotes or arrows in your posts so when can tell when you're quoting and when you're commenting? Thanks. I don't think any of us want to get into a dues paying ex-premie website right now. Do you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 18:07:55 (EDT)
From: Tom Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Quotations??? Message: 'I don't think any of us want to get into a dues paying ex-premie website right now' ------------------------------------------------------------------ Donations, just donations, no, {DUES}, but we have come up with about what an average donation could be, about, '$40.00' for a year. And yes it can be sent in anonymously, also lets say it is only being done by about 50 out of the maybe 500 or more that look, well, 50x$40.00= 2,000.00 more then enough for upkeep. If you do not want to pay, as you have stated above that’s ok, It is always that way, that some will not help out. If this PLACE is going to grow, its going to take work effort time and money, and if it doesn’t get it.......... Imagine the things that can be done, or if you’re not into it I understand. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 18:31:58 (EDT)
From: barney 17 Email: None To: Tom Subject: there you go, you want more Message: Tom, There you go. We were all set to give you $39.97 in whatever currency and then you nudge it up it to $40.00. Where's it gonna end? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 18:57:30 (EDT)
From: Tom Email: None To: barney 17 Subject: there you go, you want more Message: 'There you go. We were all set to give you $39.97 in whatever currency and then you nudge it up it to $40.00. Where's it gonna end?' ------------------------------------------------------- All is in motion - if it helps make things better, good right? If nothing gets better, --- The End......... Ask #11, He gets it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:08:58 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Tom Subject: $39.97 a year Message: Tom, Is that Hong Kong dollars or Australian dollars? Whatever currency, I'll do it for $25. Anth the breadhead Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 14:09:35 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Runamok Subject: For 'um Jim' Message: Hi Runamok, You say above, 'It's about having respect for the web-masters and I agree we should have respect for them, we should also have respect for each other. However, when Jim got into the fight, he was defending the web-master, Barney, from what looked like quite a vicious and personal attack. When the fight dies down, Barney is no longer web-master and Jim is banned. At least that's what it looks like from here. I read Helen's post below, and agreed with lots of what she said. The situation doesn't seem to be resolved however, as Jim is still banned, not 'on vacation'. I communicated with shp for a while after he was banned, and his attitude was, in my own words, 'Screw you lot. I've got a life I can get on with.' I imagine how I would feel if I was banned from posting here. Probably the same. So, if Jim ends up feeling the same way too, maybe he won't come back at all. It all seems a bit daft. My own feeling about banning is, we should have clear guidelines and stick to them. Anth the trying not to start a fight again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:04:45 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Webmaster on duty Subject: The Forum Gym Message: Hi, Didn't I post my above under the witty, fullapun title of 'For 'um Jim'? What happened, did it get minced through a Microsoft Grammar corrector, or is this all a dream? 'and 'toe 'knee Les Mart Arse Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:36:25 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: AJW Subject: to anth the pun man Message: Hi Anth - I assumed you wanted your title fixed on your post, so it's done. No telling what IE will do to your posts :)! (I don't use it, period.) Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:46:51 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie in the Garrett Message: Hi Katie, email me some of chr's pics if he doesn't mind. I have this image of the 'dutywebperson' sitting in a garret, under an oil lamp, with a steam powered computer, rain clattering on the roof, searchlights in the distance, nazi troops knocking on doors... ...but it's probably not like that is it Katie? What happens, do you have your computer on, and get a beep when a message comes, and spend your time trying to do five things at once, alt tabing over to the Forum every five minutes (just like at work) How long are you on duty Anth the curious, rushing out to the pub. Ignore drunken marriage proposals after midnight. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 12:49:40 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: AJW Subject: Katie in the Garrett Message: Hi Anth - I have this image of the 'dutywebperson' sitting in a garret, under an oil lamp, with a steam powered computer, rain clattering on the roof, searchlights in the distance, nazi troops knocking on doors... How did you guess?? Brian locks me in the garret for 16 hours a day while HE goes off and has fun driving a taxi cab. I have three computers running simultaneously so I can constantly monitor all the on-line forums that have anything to do with M. When forum traffic is low, I have to proofread for punctuation errors in Brian's CGI scripts, and other things too boring to mention. Meanwhile, I have to listen to the muffled curses, screams, and abusive comments from blocked forum posters who Brian has locked into the dungeon, which is located in the basement directly below the archives. As for the Nazi troops, the less said about them the better (loose lips sink ships & all that...). Most of them end up getting lost in the archives, stuck in broken links, or misdirected by search engines anyway. Love, Katie P.S. I never IGNORE drunken marriage proposals after midnight, but I've learned not to ACCEPT them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 13:03:12 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Katie Subject: I deny everything (nt) Message: anth the doesn't know how to post an empty box so he has to stick some text in it. okay i admit it, I lied about the (nt) bit, Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 00:13:07 (EDT)
From: Runamok Email: None To: AJW Subject: For Jim Anth Message: Anth, I doubt it's a very permanent situation, but if it takes awhile, I don't think we'll die from not seeing Jim for a week or two. Point of fact, Jim was asked to back off by Brian who was functioning as webmaster. Jim didn't and he was warned that he would be barred. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:44:52 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Catweasel: Time to stand up Message: and be counted. You wrote Thursday: The only reference to 'orders' and 'strong suggestions' are to be found on this site.This whole episode is pure fantasy on the part of some very creative people. You may say and do what you like here, but the previous references to orders and the like are just mischief and mis-information. You are basically calling me a liar. You followed this with an invitation to contact you. How? Was that 'server' nonsense supposed to be an email address? I then gave you an opportunity to demonstrate that you are as clued up about Maharaji as you claim to be, and to contact me, by inviting you to call me at the hotel where Maharaji has been for the past couple of weeks. I waited around, I checked at the lobby, no messages. OK, so maybe you didn't see the post in time. You can still demonstrate your priveleged knowledge by posting the last four digits of that hotel's telephone number. You can also give us your name and claim to fame. In what capacity are you qualified to say I have fabricated information? Just how informed are you? For example, why was he at the hotel? Who with? Where is he off to after Manchester & Barcelona? What does the screensaver on his Mac look like? Who is his closest technical advisor? Who is currently the main event manager? Who recently rewired the residence in Malibu? Use initials if you like. You need to stay out of this until you know what you are talking about, laddie. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:58:21 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Catweasel: Time to stand up Message: The cat appears to be blocked so he may not be able to respond. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:22:35 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: JHB Subject: Catweasel is NOT blocked Message: I believe Barney limited Catweasel to five posts a day (I haven't checked this). Anyway, he's not blocked. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:34:12 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Katie Subject: Catweasel is NOT blocked Message: Thanks for clearing that up Katie, got the wrong end of the stick somehow. He's probably making phone calls, trying to get some answers! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 00:35:58 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Rob Subject: Catweasel is NOT blocked Message: Hi Rob - You wrote, re Catweasel: He's probably making phone calls, trying to get some answers! It could also be possible that he's off having a good time doing something entirely different :). I have to say that I kinda like the guy's attitude myself. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:35:42 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Katie Subject: Having a good time Message: Funny you should mention that, I just spent an hour doing just that myself! It's good to get off the PC and just be inside, such a different world. Being a foreigner, I suppose I'm not entirely tuned into the Fourth of July celebration, but I do like to see my neighbours having a jolly time of it. Perhaps I'll get into the 'spirit' of it and have a Jack Daniels, instead of my usual Glenfiddich, for a nightcap. Cheers! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:43:05 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Rob Subject: Having a good time (very OT) Message: Actually, Rob, I DO NOT recommend Jack Daniels, especially if you are a single-malt scotch fan. IMHO, it is harsh. My favorite whiskey is Jameson's, which of course is not American. But I think the best US bourbons (although I haven't tried the really high-priced ones) are Ezra Brooks (same price as Jack Black, but much smoother - I HIGHLY recommend this brand), Wild Turkey (expensive), and Maker's Mark (ditto). Take care, Katie (the southern gal who enjoys bourbon every once and a while). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 05:39:42 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Katie Subject: Having a good time (very OT) Message: >Actually, Rob, I DO NOT recommend Jack Daniels, especially if you are a single-malt scotch fan. IMHO, it is harsh. Jack Daniels if fine, just drink Gentelman Jack CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:30:55 (EDT)
From: Tom Email: None To: Rob Subject: Having a good time Message: 'Glenfiddich' Please let us know your meaning with the word and the usage of it, 'Glenfiddich', thank you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 15:39:27 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Rob Subject: Having a good time Message: Rob, Life's too short. Drink the Glenfiddich Anth the Malthead. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 00:04:14 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob: A saint doesn't need Message: booze! Are you following in your master's footsteps? Yup, another drunk! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:04:19 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Rob Subject: this is dramatic Message: So one of you is a PAM and the other is a wannabe PAM? Or maybe both of you are pretending to be PAMs? Are you saying you hang out with Rawat? How could you prove it? Is there anything you can think of that might lend more credence to your being the real PAM? May the real PAM please stand up! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:06:55 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Rawat Subject: You have a MAC???? (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:28:48 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: g's mom Subject: this is dramatic Message: This sound like the wacky world of M & Knowledge. Guys get a life! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:04:00 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: g's mom Subject: this is dramatic (not) Message: I'm not trying to prove anything, especially other people's assumptions. No, I took umbrage at some of the remarks made by premies, especially this Catweasel fellow, and have offered a few simple questions by which they can show their level of involvement. I know the answers, and any similarly clued-up premies will too, so the truth of them will be plain to those who need to know. I could care less, actually, who I am perceived to be. The things I have to say over the coming weeks will either strike a chord or they won't. Oh, and Liz, after the dog-and-pony show on the Forum recently, how can you accuse 'our' world of being any more wacky than 'yours'? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:22:49 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rotten vegetables, perhaps? Message: Rob, The two main actors in this recent forum drama are both ex-premies who have recently exited the cult after over two decades of involvement. What does that say about things, huh? If you want to pick on somebody pick on me. I've been out for over 25 years. I'm a pillar of sanity and civility, just like you. What's that prove? Nothing but we are all fallible humans trying to get through life the the best way we know. Also, who are you trying to impress with your tales of Miragey and you? Who cares? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:32:02 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Rotten vegetables, perhaps? Message: Gerry I don't think asking someone to back up their claim that I was lying could be construed as 'picking on them'. I'm not trying to impress anybody, I'm just trying to find out who (as in premies) I'm communicating with. I can't think of a simpler way just now, that's all. I'm not trying to start any fireworks, either, there's enough of those going off in my neighbourhood right now as it is! Enjoy your holiday weekend. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:38:26 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: You misunderstood me Message: I was referring to your remark about recent forum histrionics, not Catweasel. I think you have every right to try and clear your name re lying. Go for it. I don't think the weasel will be coming out of his hole, however. Ok, agreed you are not trying to impress anyone, but actually I was kinda impressed. What the former boy guru like when he's not on stage? (Hey he is a bit of a celebrity in the same way John Gotti or Milosevic are.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:19:57 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: gerry Subject: Me misunderstood you Message: Oh that. Well you know, call a spade a spade! I'm sure Liz didn't run off and weep at that! Has Catweasel really been blocked? Huh, must have happened since Thursday then. Maharaji's good to be around when he's off stage, sure. I think your comparisons are way out in left field. Mafia boss or genocidal maniac? Very fertile imagination you got there Gerry. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:47:28 (EDT)
From: Who Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Rotten vegetables, perhaps? Message: Also, who are you trying to impress with your tales of Miragey and you? Who cares? Just because it is seeming like fun to type this out, it comes to me, as in a Vision, and behold, some persons/used to be Premies have a Quest of Heart and Mind that took them into the direction of, 'WhatshisName', and so it is most important that they may now take Adantage of being with like Soul Mates............... And the child said it the best. . . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:31:51 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Who Subject: vision? Message: Try taking half a tab next time Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:17:40 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Rob Subject: wacky worlds Message: the gurus world in my day was damn wacky. But I'll admit the 'real' world is rather wacky too. The difference is we ordinary humans not claiming to have special 'k' or divine connections really are not claiming to be uniquely gifted beings. Of course the forum is wacky, it is just a hodge podge of ex cult members. The premie world has supposedly recieved the divine secrets of the universe, and THAT bliss, and the guru, well I used to sing 'You are my mother, You are my Father....' to him...he earned all the scrutiny he recieves along with the little subculture that revolves around him. I am curious still about the guru in the same way I like to read about all manner of famous and infamous people. I am very curious what he thinks and how bothered he is by the site. I am curious how he rationalizes what he reads here. It would be very interesting if you really were a PAM, but how on earth could we really know? This is the internet after all. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 00:17:58 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: g's mom Subject: wacky worlds Message: Yes, on the scale of things, the world outside of Knowledge is extremely 'wacky' - dictators committing mass murders, herding their bereaved families out of their homes and their country...children taking guns to school and shooting their classmates....the wholesale destruction of the planet's natural habitat and wildlife....pre-teens working 14 hour days in garment sweatshops....and on and on. Kind of puts your problems with 'the guru' in perspective, doesn't it? Sorry to disappoint you, but he isn't bothered by this site in the least. His only concern, as always, is for the well-being of premies. He certainly doesn't waste his time reading the Forum, of that I'm sure. I've never heard him use the term 'ex-premie' either. As far as he's concerned, if you received the gift of Knowledge, you still have it, whether you make use of it or not. That has always been your choice to make. It will always be there for you, and so will he. Over and above all that, you have the gift of life, and to enjoy that to the full is, I think, what really matters for us all. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 00:27:15 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Rob Subject: wacky world Message: I am sure he is bothered by the site and by the criticism. You know, there are worse things that happen in the world. I am a labor and delivery nurse. I at times sadly care for women who lose full term babies. Sometimes too I care for women who have miscarraiges. Can you imagine if I were to say to them, ' oh, there are worse things in the world, there are people who lose 5 year olds!' Just because there are indeed more evil people in the world than your guru and worse experiences to endure in this world than being scammed by a religous cult does not excuse him. Rob, I had a little respect for you I have lost it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:56:49 (EDT)
From: liz Email: None To: g's mom Subject: wacky world Message: I heard M say rather sadly at an event that there were more people that liked him than disliked him. More friends than enemies. And the people that didn't like him didn't know him. Funny how I remembered this and can hardly ever remember anything else he said. I guess he was speaking from the 'real' world more than he usually does. And Rob, I didn't run off crying when you called a spade a spade; which spade are you referring to? Wacky world of the forum? Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:46:25 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: g's mom Subject: wacky world Message: I am sure he is bothered by the site and by the criticism. Nope. Sorry, can't give y'all that satisfaction. Like I said, he's got better things to do with his time. If that's one objective of the Forum, it has failed spectacularly. I at times sadly care for women who lose full term babies. Sometimes too I care for women who have miscarraiges. Can you imagine if I were to say to them, ' oh, there are worse things in the world, there are people who lose 5 year olds!' I should hope you don't say any such thing. I should also hope that at those times, you're not thinking about your grievances with Maharaji. Exacly my point. Keep everything in the right perspective. Just because there are indeed more evil people in the world than your guru and worse experiences to endure in this world than being scammed by a religous cult does not excuse him. I'm not making excuses for anyone's distorted opinion of Maharaji. Only you know how accurate that really is in your heart. Just don't let it ruin your experience of this wonderful life. Perspective; stand back, take a good look around you, see what really matters to you in your life and be thankful. Only you feel your hatred. Maharaji doesn't, so why hold on to it? Life is too short to spoil with indulgence in old, regurgitated rhetoric. Rob, I had a little respect for you I have lost it. Fine. But again, don't let it ruin your day. Who am I in your life? Nobody! So go hug someone you love and forget about me! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:19:05 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Rob Subject: wacky world Message: Rob, You have some distorted idea that this little website is some dominate force in my life. The guru and his trip have hurt many people. He has profited immensely from the sacrfices others made to him because they beleived he was some sort of unique special divine being or God. He has never taken a modicum of responsibility for this. Rob, again, it isn't your place to tell me to 'be thankful' for my life or to hug those I love. In fact it is quite presumptuous. You come off as a very uncaring unkind human being. As to your being nobody in my life, you are right on that one. But who said you were? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 22:39:12 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: g's mom Subject: wacky world Message: You come off as a very uncaring unkind human being. Well G's Mom, he has had a very good ''teacher.'' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 10:54:53 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Rob Subject: Actions are Louder Message: Excuse me, but I recall that the whole point of whether your statements have any veracity at all had to do with whether the Big M didn't want premies participating on this forum. Catweasel said that such a proclamation was nonsense and now you and he are engaging in the age-old premie battle of who knows more about the internicine Rawat world and who knows more of the honchos. Booooring! But you see Rob, your posting here kind of belies your own comments. If M said don't do it, why are you doing it now? Or did you make the whole thing up? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:37:07 (EDT)
From: wm Email: None To: JW Subject: Actions are Louder Message: I was curious about that myself, but I understand it must be a P.R. thing, only for the eyes of premies that are worthy, but hey he is willing to play nudge nudge wink wink with anyone. Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:30:14 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: JW Subject: Actions are Louder Message: No I didn't make the whole thing up. All I can say is that guidelines have been worked out - for me at least - and input given for other premies who wish to help. But one of the guidelines is I have to know for sure who I'm talking to, as regards to passing on input, at least. Actually I am glad you posted what you did, because it made me realize I was out of line with the Cat., lost my temper somewhat. Thanks, no more posturing from me, I promise. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:54:38 (EDT)
From: Know It All Email: None To: Rob Subject: Actions are Louder Message: What are your 'guidelines' and what are you 'helping' with? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:22:08 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Know It All Subject: Actions are Louder Message: Sorry, no comment. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:54:56 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Actions are Louder Message: Let me guess, to try to keep the 'toilet' from overflowing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:23:34 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: Rob Subject: My Guess Message: to make avoidance into a romantic mystery, and to make yahoo premies believers of your honcho-ship . I am beginning to believe. Well, enjoy your meditation. Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 14:22:57 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Rob Subject: What? Message: No I didn't make the whole thing up. Rob, I think you have a problem with clarity. If you didn't make the whole thing up, then you DID get direction not to participate, but here you are -- participating. You specifically said, in an announcement to other premies, that M didn't want premies participating, and again, here you are? Are you now saying it is OKAY to participate, but only under certain conditions? Please explain. You are not making a lot of sense. All I can say is that guidelines have been worked out - for me at least - and input given for other premies who wish to help. Can you get out of the vague 'passive-voice land' and tell us what you are talking about. Whose guidelines? What guidelines? How can 'guidelines' have any effect if you are the only one who knows that they are? Again, you are less that clear here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:03:04 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: there's nothing louder than a pissed Scotsman To: JW Subject: You're doing the talking Rob Message: I'm not engaging in anything of the kind.I've made no claims as to Honchos ,policy,or M's wishes. I have very carefully steered clear of those waters for a long time. I made some observations about what was being said,on this site alone,and asked Rob to validate his claims by contacting me. He's going to do that in a years time, dressed in a kilt,whilst we drink cleansing ales.Yeah?? Hmmm...... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:01:37 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: wm_r32@yahoo.com To: Rob Subject: Hey Rob Message: I've been posting here on rare occasions for a year, I don't do it often because its not my Party. Last year everyone here seemed to think Maharaji hated the internet any Premies posting here were just yahoos disobeying some implicit or implied agya. Since your statement of Maharaji saying 'get off this site' Now you seem to say it was an misunderstanding a chain of command snafu, or maybe your saying you have special agya. A question mark? I don't really try to second guess Maharaji, besides meditation and the rare occasions I see him at a program, I confess he is like some fictional character. I have wrote to him at his email address, but I don't know how close is, or can be, to his mail. I have given him my real name, real email address, and I that I post here and there sometimes, of course I asked him keep this confidential. I have also asked him to put in the code 'virtual wrap' in his email composer box html code, as it will enable cut and past as this forumIII 'box' does, but that didn't happen. So whats with you?, you don't like being called a liar? You trying to rub Cat's face in the dirt and make us premie lurkers jealous? Do your words prove your just not making this whole thing up? Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:15:20 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Wm Subject: Hey Rob Message: I'm still waiting for any premie to answer at least one of my questions, before I'll get into a serious dialogue with them via email. It should be obvious which question(s) can be safely answered in public without detriment. If Maharaji is like some fictional character to you, I'm afraid I shan't be emailing you. We can joke and jive another time, but not right now. Enjoy your meditation Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:25:09 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: Rob Subject: yeah, right (nt) Message: xyz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:27:35 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Wm Subject: To Wm Message: I appreciate your honesty Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:33:03 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: Gerry Subject: sounds like Message: Enjoy your meditation go jerk off Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 21:40:41 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Wm Subject: sounds like Message: Enjoy your meditation Wm, Rob said that, not me. Gerry Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:38:45 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: Gerry Subject: opps, it sounded like Message: sorry, hope you didn't think I was telling you to go jerk off. Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 01:28:38 (EDT)
From: Know It All Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob Anderson Message: Prove that you have access to Maharaji. How can we be sure of your veracity? What is your position in EV? Since you have given us your full name, at what hotel and in what city are you staying? We'd all like to call you up and talk to you. You say that Maharaji has the premies' interests at heart? Was that before or after he closed the ashrams and dumped people on the street? I for one am not convinced you are who you say you are. Make it real, Robbie. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:24:15 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Know It All Subject: Know it All Message: Prove that you have access to Maharaji....How can we be sure of your veracity?... We'd all like to call you up and talk to you. Who is 'we', exactly? Are you some kind of spokesperson for ex-premies? All I have to communicate with is text and HTML code. How would you validate anything I said? If you think I'm giving out my phone number, you must be nuts. Like I want to get calls 24/7 from God knows how many strangers. I have a wife and kids to think of, too. What is your position in EV? I have no position in Elan Vital. Since you have given us your full name, at what hotel and in what city are you staying? I'm not staying at any hotel, I live here in South Florida. Read the top of the thread again, then go figure it out for yourself. You say that Maharaji has the premies' interests at heart? Was that before or after he closed the ashrams and dumped people on the street? So is that your beef? You had to go fend for yourself? How have things worked out for you since then? Let me guess, you have a roof over your head, earn an income, own a computer....perhaps removing the crutch of the ashram was in your best interest? Would you rather you were still in one? I for one am not convinced you are who you say you are. I'll get over it. Again, who is 'I for one'? You expect me to be concerned that some anonymous person, who can't even conjure up a fake name, doubts me? Look, I'm not interested in 'real' (ie off Forum) communication with anyone except those sincere premies - and by the way, I'm using that term simply for economy of words, I know it's not in general use now - those people who need some input from me about the Forum, and those questions at the top of the thread will help me to know who I'm talking to. Even then, it will only be via email. Beyond that, I'll remain as real as anyone else here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:05:33 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Rob Subject: Know Message: >those people who need some input from me about the Forum Send me a note. Chris Dickey webmaster@cdickey.com Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:22:02 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: CD Subject: In a minute Message: Is that Chris or Charles? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:22:58 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Know it All Message: Hello Rob, I for one don't doubt what you say. However, You ARE guessing about m's involvement with this forum. You are of the opinion about where he is at NOW about this forum but that was not always the case. I say he has posted here under a few names and the posts are there to be read. Tom Kelley perhaps was the one rewireing the malibu house. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:47:06 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: KB Subject: Guessing Message: However, You ARE guessing about m's involvement with this forum. You are of the opinion about where he is at NOW about this forum but that was not always the case. I say he has posted here under a few names and the posts are there to be read. NOW is the only time I'm interested in, it's the only time we talked about, so you could well be right about his previous involvement. But he's always moving forward and doesn't hang on to the past, unlike some I could mention. So what names do you suspect he's posted under in the past? Should be good for a laugh. Tom Kelley perhaps was the one rewireing the malibu house Perhaps, but sorry, you're not eligible to enter the quiz! :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:47:06 (EDT)
From: KB-bill burke Email: None To: Rob Subject: Guessing Message: participant student doc I haven't been reading your posts although you have been here a while. By reading today I see you have ticked off Catweasel. He is an austrailian that regularly works at the site there. Bruce is his first name I believe. You mentioned in your post to me about those you could mention that are 'hanging on to the past'. I think it only right that the past of the 'master of life' be fully available for any and all to see for thier full analysis. Why would there be a reason to not state the facts about him? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:08:00 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: KB-bill burke Subject: Guessing Message: More like Rob is B Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 22:46:30 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Rob Subject: the word ''premie'' Message: Rob, The only M video I've seen was Long Beach Birthday program. In it, a person selling chocolates said that ''premies'' made the chocolates, so the term was recently in use. Of course Fatfuck likes to change terminology to hide the past. So what else is new? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:18:53 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Rob Subject: Brings back memories Message: You know Rob, for a while I thought you were Bobby Hendry but he wouldn't have produced such an eletist and cultish set of forum posts. All of this reminds me of things long past. I'm glad I have been out of all that since '83. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 22:32:09 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Not that Bob Message: Besides, I'm a lousy cook. 16 years aye? But you're still in it, in a way. I mean your involvement here - if it weren't for Maharaji, there would be no Forum, yes? No cosy ex-p meets in Fulham, no axe to grind, no-one to blame for anything? So it wasn't all for nothing, was it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:00:51 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Not that Bob Message: 16 years aye? But you're still in it, in a way. I mean your involvement here - if it weren't for Maharaji, there would be no Forum, yes? No cosy ex-p meets in Fulham, no axe to grind, no-one to blame for anything? Rob, So true - I feel that gratitude, except that Sir Dave wasn't there, and it was Barnes, not Fulham. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 23:06:15 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: JHB Subject: Not that pub Message: I stand corrected. Been a while since I watered in London. Used to go to a pub just south from Putney Bridge, forget the name now, used to have Folk Nights - favourite watering hole of fellow Scot Bert Jansch. Do you know the one I mean? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:06:50 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob, Rob, Rob Message: I used to go to the same pub in Putney and listen to Bert Jansch would you believe. Small world! I love Bert Jansch. 'My love, I can only try to move my head from the depths as you walk by.' I lived at the Glen with Robin Williamson & Mike Heron - they used to live with Bert in Edinburgh. I also loved Anne Briggs - do you know what happened to her? Too bad Bert got hooked on heroin and booze. M may have helped him with that. Such Talent! I just got in touch with Suzy Witten after all these years and she told me she met Robin in L.A. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:44:12 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Rob, Rob, Rob (OT) Message: Small world indeed. But I thought he'd gotten through the heroin thing? Wasn't 'Needle of Death' a harrowing reflection of those times for him? I just bought 'When the Circus comes to town' CD. You can get all Bert's stuff over here on the Shanachie label. Amazon.com has a lot of it. My fave was always Rosemary Lane. His wife did the illustration for the cover, I think. John Renbourn recently did an album with Robin called 'Wheel of Fortune'. Can't for the life of me remember the name of that pub. Was it something like the Three Moons? So were you into Pentangle also? Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:07:50 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Liz Liz Subject: Anne Briggs (OT) Message: Did a litle scooting around, all I could come up with were links like: http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/webrevs/fled3008.htm and http://www.sarcon.demon.co.uk/engfolk/a_briggs.htm Seems she's a recluse now and rarely plays in public. What a beautiful singer, though, fair makes a mon weep! Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:23:58 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Anne Briggs (OT) Message: Rob, Rob, Rob, Thank you SO much. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:57:42 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Anne Briggs again OT Message: Got my code all tangled there - should be 2 separate links:- http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/webrevs/fled3008.htm and http://www.sarcon.demon.co.uk/engfolk/a_briggs.htm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:26:39 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob, Rob, Rob (OT) Message: Yes, It definately had Moon in the name. Glen Whittaker would know. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:29:18 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob & Anthony Subject: Rob, Rob, Rob (OT) Message: Brother Anthony, Help us out. What is that famous Putney Pub called half way down Putney Bridge Road. Where the folkies used to hang out in the late sixties, early seventies? Liz of the time warp. circa 68 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:48:36 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Liz Liz Liz(OT) Message: You keep calling my name like that, people are gonna talk! Wait a minute, it wasn't the Half Moon, was it? Dammit, I can't go to bed now till I know. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:00:49 (EDT)
From: CD Email: None To: Rob Subject: Liz Liz Liz(OT) Message: Half Moon Putney Three Sheets to the Wind Have the Gentleman Jack Daniels Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:21:45 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Liz Subject: Half Moon! (nt) Message: zxc Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:18:49 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Not that pub Message: Yes the Half Moon. It actually stopped live music for a while but I believe common sense prevailed and live music is back. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 20:18:54 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: JHB Subject: Not that pub Message: Thank JHB. I probably said Half Moon to myself at the same time as Rob but I was to tired to post it! Did/Do you live in Putney? For some reason I thought you were a Yank! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 06:54:41 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Rob Subject: Rob ,youre a tripper. Message: Give me a break you monster power freak!I wouldnt waste the time of day on you or your various fantasies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:44:22 (EDT)
From: Know It All Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Rob ,youre a tripper. Message: Yes, a celebrity death match between Catweasel and Rob! Who would prevail? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:15:15 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Thought so... Message: ..you don't know squat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:11:23 (EDT)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Rob Subject: Thought so... Message: Hey Rob, if you keep posting on this site, does this mean that 1) you are above M. 's request to premies not to post; 2) you misunderstood his request; 3) he specifically asked YOU to continue posting; ps: i found your remark about 'level of involvment' quite surprising; do you actually think that premies should know in which hotel M. is staying? if they do know, do you actually encourage them to phone the front desk? Do you care about HIS privacy or do you only care about showing off what you know? one last question: i would like to correspond with you by e-mail, but i don't know how to do this without revealing my e-mail adress on this site. Any suggestion? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:51:21 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Orlando Subject: uhhh, Bruce... Message: Why are you concerned about your email address? Who here would email without your request? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 13:53:56 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Orlando Subject: Thought so... Message: Orlando, if you keep posting on this site, does this mean that 1) you are above M. 's request to premies not to post; 2) you misunderstood his request; 3) he specifically asked YOU to continue posting; None of the above. It was more like 'if you are going to do it, then be conscious, practice first, and .... (a few specifics)' We've all got free choice - you have that choice also, but sometimes it's in everyone's best interest to see the big picture first. Take a look back at the days folllowing the rapid exit of all the premies. Notice anything? Bit of a wasteland right? Extrapolate that line of thought and you'll be getting close. do you actually think that premies should know in which hotel M. is staying? if they do know, do you actually encourage them to phone the front desk? Do you care about HIS privacy or do you only care about showing off what you know? Of course not, but I wasn't 100% sure there weren't any premie posters who were actually at that meeting. It was a pretty safe bet Catweasel wasn't, so I wasn't too worried about him. Phoning the front desk and asking for me would have done no harm, I didn't intend to take the call personally, and if someone had called me there and identified themselves, that's still good to know. I care more about Maharaji's privacy and well-being than you could possibly imagine, which is why I am keeping myself very much under wraps. You have already hit on the problem I'm faced with - how do we communicate safely off Forum without opening the doors to any crackpot who wants to flame us? Perhaps we don't need to. Read between the lines, listen to your heart, do what is right by Maharaji, work with me, not against me. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 16:18:52 (EDT)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Rob Subject: Thought so... Message: Hi Rob i hear you 100%. take care Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 16:31:58 (EDT)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Rob Subject: one last note Message: One more thing, just to clarify. i had stop posting here for a couple of months, until i read your initial post about a request not to post. It got me started again! so i guess your initial post had the opposite effect than what you intended. i usually can't stand people trying to 'convey requests' because i have no way of knowing where this is coming from and this is how religion started! ('he said this...') anyways, you made some things very clear and i will follow my instinct on this one. ps: if i go to Amaroo, i look for a big bearded guy? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 20:36:11 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Orlando Subject: one last note Message: Thanks Orlando, your instincts won't let you down. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks! (4th of July, right?) Sorry to get you going, but for me it was a case of do as I was asked, trust the source and know the Grace is behind me. Amaroo next year. Join me and the Cat for a few cold ones - I'm buying! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 23:34:19 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Orlando Subject: one last note Message: 'this is how religion started?' You sure you want to say that? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 23:54:34 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Sheesh!-watch out Orlando+Cat Message: Rob, Your post is comedy. Your self importance and yearning to lead the troops should ring an alarm bell in Orlando's common sense. I guess Orlando doesn't see the 'big picture' without you telling him to. You want him to work with you, the comment Orlando made about how religion comes about fits in right here. YOU know what the secret directive is! Too hush hush and beyond him to simply understand by him just being himself right? YOU are one of the upperdust 'liutenents' right? (your wording). You need someone to lead! Gather the troops! Get them in line with YOUR thinking. Orlando can't just be himself. And Catweasel is obviously needing your corraling. Try to win him over with promises of beer and camraderie. Instead of free men standing on thier own, you want to dominate. You are here to dominate, You your self are dominated, and now you want to dominate for your master. Why don't you look at your self. Not your breath, YOU. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:45:02 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: O & C Subject: Fireworks Message: O & C Looks like someone's starting to panic already. (CD) Headless chicken, right? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 01:27:26 (EDT)
From: KB...you mean, shineing a Email: None To: Rob Subject: light in your direction. Message: I guess that is a message to your (hopeful) underlings. 'Cheer up boys! I percieve that KB is panicking.' How about 'I'll try to grow up and be a man and have the independence of Orlando and the bullshit barometer that Catweasel has. And I will stop trying to dominate them'. To confirm your underlying attempts to dominate, you attempt to smear CD by implying I MUST think of him as a headless chicken. Good grief, I have known him for years. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:00:00 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Orlando & CD Subject: premie email suggestion Message: Coming from me this might sound ludicrous, but I would suggest that if premies want to privately exchange emails they could do it through Chris Dickey who has posted his email address here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:23:11 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: barney Subject: another email suggestion Message: Premies, (ooh! I felt power surge through me when I said that.) You might consider getting a disposable email account from www.yahoo.com or www.hotmail.com. Doing so will hide more details about yourself and you can stop picking up your mail if it gets too much. I'm offering these suggestions so you premies can get your story together and you can stop bickering amongst yourselves. It's rather embarassing and nobody wants to read that stuff. ;-) (Just a Joke, ok. ©) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:38:36 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: barney Subject: Barney's right, Message: this isn't the place for premies to argue. I've emailed chris, we'll take it from there. BTW Barney, how you doing? Quite a beating you took there for a while. You going to start an ex-ex-premie website? Make that a triple ex (XXX) and I might be interested! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:55:26 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Rob Subject: now you/I've done it Message: Dang it, Rob, I shouldn't have made that suggestion. People will think I'm the plant. It's great that the premies bicker here. Shows that we're all human beans. No, no XXX site for me. My lap dancing days are over. Besides, after I left Maharaji I had a brief layover at the Heaven's Gate club and I no longer have no need for that stuff anymore (Just a Joke©). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 15:49:06 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: anthginn@yahoo.com To: Everyone Subject: Party Time (Long Post) Message: Party Time. There’s a birthday party at the Residence (the Master’s multi-million pound house on the hill) and you’ve been invited. You, draw a red circle on the calendar, send your suit to the cleaners, go to town and buy a card and the best present you can afford. Then you wait for the big day. Up at the big house, the menu is agreed, shopping list written, and the servants are sent to Harrods to buy the ingredients. The day before the party the tables and chairs are delivered to the main gate, under the watchful eye of karate experts. One day one of these delivery drivers may make a dash for the house and try and assassinate the Master. The next morning, the day of the party, in the small house near the Residence gate, the briefing of the furniture carriers is coming to an end. They’ve not been told how to carry the furniture, ‘Lift with your legs together and your back straight’, Rather, ’Do not diverge from the path to the garage. Do not look into the Master’s house. If the Master or his family appear, do not approach them or speak to them. Do not stop and stare. Do not burst into song, throw yourself at his feet, burst noisily into tears, shout joyful Hindu chants out loud. Always behave in the manner of a prisoner under sentence of instant death should you displease, and everything should be fine. Just remember where you are and who you’re doing it for. Oh yes, and if you see anything ‘private’ you shouldn’t talk about it to your premie friends. Keep your mouths shut, or you’ll never work in this town again. Now get out there and surrender. The servants are locals. They work without pay, on their day off because they love their Master. Much of the food has been prepared the day before. A line of expensive cars glistens in the driveway. The Mercedes 600, Rolls Royce, Ferraris, and Lamborghinis , have been moved out to make way for the tables and chairs. The Master entertains his guests in the garage. Your invitation has instructions like a TV adventure game, ‘Go to carpark on hill 3 miles from Residence, between 1.00 and 1.30. Wait for green shuttle bus to take you to Residence, where you will be escorted to holding area, prior to shipment to Divine Garage. The tension rises as you approach the carpark. There’s already a group of people dressed like wedding guests, clutching gift wrapped presents, crowded around a person with a clipboard, ticking off names. The minibus fills and drives up the hill. It stops outside the main gate, and the guests file into the yard in front of the small house. A karate expert tells them to wait quietly in the courtyard, and a guard will come and escort them to the garage. The courtyard is carefully screened from the main house and driveway, by a brown fence, about 2 metres high. Two of the Master’s children call to each other from behind the fence. The group, including the karate expert, become silent. The children’s conversation drifts away towards the house. The karate expert smiles blissfully. The guests let the moment wash over them. They are in the Master’s house. They have heard the voices of the Master’s children from behind the fence. They are going to a party in the Master’s garage. They are on a roller coaster ride to heaven. The garage has been carpeted, the trestle tables are covered in paper cloths, and the buffet is laid out, under clingfilm. Two instructors stand ready to serve the punch. There are two dispensers, alcoholic, for the modern devotees, fruit only, for recovering alcoholics and those still on the long journey back from the Hindu austerities of the early 70s. Some of the Masters personal servants, like the Peter Sellers character in ‘Being There’, have been institutionalised for most of their lives. The alcoholic punch is a signal to the premies that ‘Things really are becoming normal in the Master’s world. You put your present on top of the pile by the garage door and enter the party. You sip alcoholic punch, munch a humous canape and look around for someone you know. Nobody really cares about the food, drink or other guests. Everyone is quite clear why they are their. They want darshan. They want the physical presence of their Master because this is why the universe was created. So you could stand with a crowd of people, in the Master’s garage and maybe get a glimpse of him if he showed up at the party. There’s kind of ‘dosage level’ to darshan, in the same way drinks are classed by alcohol level. Half a pint of lager is a glimpse from a distance. Standing next to the Master for a minute or two is a couple of pints of Guiness. If he speaks to you personally, it’s a bottle of vintage champagne. It’s a pint of darshan everyone’s after, not a glass of punch. Everyone is pretending to be at a party. They’re in the garage to see their Master. The Master’s wife and one of his daughters arrive. They both make an effort to make people feel welcome, speaking to people they know, trying to act normal while half the crowd appear to be staring rudely, but are actually ‘soaking up secondary bliss’, transmitted via the Master’s family. The Master’s other daughter is in her room, watching a video. She’s sick of being stared up by people she doesn’t know, with sickly, unhealthy smiles, like they know something she doesn’t. Well she knows something they don’t. They’re bloody idiots who get on her nerves. She’s not going to the stupid party.. A ripple goes through the party guests. The Master has arrived outside. Conversations wither, eyes are glued on the entrance. You can see suited karate experts standing in silent bliss, smiling, but you can’t see the Master. Everyone knows that you shouldn’t go rushing up to him at an informal event like this. Let him have space and walk around. But the crowd are edging towards the door. Ha, don’t they realise this is wrong. The canapés, are left on the table, the crowd continues drifting towards the Master. Soon you are left alone, in the middle of the garage, doing the right thing but feeling like a prat. You wander outside with the rest of the mob, who are now standing in a big crowd, gawking at him. He’s talking about the next private jet he’d like, and what communication systems he wants on it. The crowd drinks his words like nectar. He stays, talking for a few minutes. Eventually you find a position at the back where you get an occasional glimpse and hear the odd fragment of a sentence. You are being taught a cosmic lesson about life here, but you haven’t quite figured it all out yet. The Master stands up, speaks to one of two faces he recognises, then returns to his house. He’s tired but happy. He is still the Lord. The devotees drift back into the garage. They’ve lost their appetite, and anyway, the party’s probably over. Everyone is full of bliss, peace and understanding. People begin to leave. You go home, desperately a devotee to tell you’ve been to a party at the residence, had a glass of punch, humus canapé and seen the Lord of the Universe. Life doesn’t get any better than this. Anth the Party Pooper. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 16:23:02 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: AJW Subject: Party Time (Long Post) Message: That was excellent. And even 15 years ago, I remember that being a fairly accurate description. (I never went back after that one) Thanks a million for making me laugh. Although it speaks of a bitter sad truth, that was excellent writing and it *IS* funny to me, in a sick way. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 17:57:57 (EDT)
From: Roger Half-Pint Drek Email: None To: AJW Subject: soon to be a ***Best*** Message: Thanks, AJW. That was so good it was like Being There. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 09:34:28 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Roger Half-Pint Drek Subject: soon to be a ***Best*** Message: Hi Half-Pint, It is always an honour to be featured on your prestigious website. I was reading through some of the 'Best of..' a few days ago. You've got some gems over there. Anth the 330mls. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:18:17 (EDT)
From: fred Email: None To: AJW Subject: Party Time (Long Post) Message: excellent ! (but you forgot daya's smutty songs) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:33:51 (EDT)
From: selene Email: None To: fred Subject: daya gets the blues Message: It always creeped me the way she would sing those songs to her father. weird. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 15:05:40 (EDT)
From: thither Email: None To: selene Subject: daya gets the blues Message: What songs by Daya? I missed something. Am interested in what the family is like, really, these days. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 22:55:18 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: thither Subject: daya gets the blues Message: The one that comes to mind right away is, don't know the title (I am so sure CD will help us here, gag) 'Cause it's hard sometimes, to live, in a world that has fallen out of love with life' she sings it very sensuous and looks at daddy and moves like as Jim put it M's answer to Sade. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:35:23 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: AJW Subject: AJW superb post! It was better Message: than CATS! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 08:43:29 (EDT)
From: no heels Email: None To: AJW Subject: Request for AJW Message: No very often I can say this around here, but I really enjoyed that story. I would have loved to have been at that party. (Although I take it you don't feel the same way.) By the way, I would be very interested to hear a description of a party you have gone to, anytime in your life, that you really enjoyed. It would be interesting to contrast them, and I enjoy your style of writing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 19:37:19 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: no heels Subject: Request for AJW Message: Hi no heels, The party I wrote about wasn't an actual party I went to. I've been to a few and I tried to write something that captured the flavour. Even as a premie I found the parties hard going. Everyone behaves in such a bizarre, psychophantic, way. There's really nothing going on except people hanging around waiting to see Maharaji. Of course, if you believe he's the Lord of the Universe, who's put the creation on autopilot to come down and swan around in his garage with people who've switched their brain off for the afternoon, then you would find these empty occasions high points of your life. Parties I've enjoyed. Now you're asking. Ooops time for bed. I'm getting me ear bent by a premie. Adios Anth Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 09:16:53 (EDT)
From: Squatter Email: None To: AJW Subject: Party Time (Long Post) Message: Hi Anth, were all parties at the residence conducted in and around the garage. Surely there were other more exclusive occassions where guests would be invited into the house? After all it's big enough. Does M not want any of the hoi-polloi to dirty his carpets or something like that? Charlie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 18:31:33 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: Squatter Subject: Party Time (Long Post) Message: The parties Anth. mentions were the plebeian ones-a kind of token gesture to a small section of the masses. He did have other parties from time to time that were far more exclusive and inside. I heard a couple from the end of a driveway but can't tell you much more except that the alcohol flowed freely. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 19:38:34 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Squatter Subject: Party Time (Long Post) Message: Hi Charlie, ...either that, or nicking the silver. anth Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 15:07:39 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Wavering Premies Subject: Filling in the Void Message: Something that I think may be of some help to wavering premies is don't worry about filling in the void. All your natural interests will come flowing back to you. YOu are brainwashed to believe that the only important thing is M & K. This is NOT true. I am writing this because at first I did feel an void A BIG HOLE but it was soon filled up with lots of interesting things I can get enthusiastic about once again. Maybe many premies don't have this empty, no Joy of Life feeling but I definately did. So if there are any of you out there like me - Take the plunge it might be a bit unsettling for a while but trust you will come through it and things WILL get better. Much Love & Joy to You, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 16:29:42 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Liz Subject: Filling in the Void Message: Hi Liz, I remember often thinking, 'If I ever left Maharaji I would be making a massive mistake on the spiritual path. Maharaji often said things to reinforce this. There was also this insidious understanding that, probably your life would become a complete mess on the worldly level too. There was almost a desire to see 'non-practising premies' suffer in some way, to pay the karmic price for leaving the Lord. In the early days, Judas Iscariot was touted as the archetype spaced out premie. It's great to come out the other end and discover everything works quite fine without Maharaji and knowledge. In fact it works better. Anth the NPP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 19:54:08 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: AJW Subject: Filling in the Void Message: Anth, Thanks for the laugh. It's always good to be able to laugh at yourself. I took myself SO seriously when I was a premie. Thank for the repartee. What does NPP mean? Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 20:09:50 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Liz Subject: Filling in the Void Message: NPP=Non Practicing Premie In the old days there were:- Practicing Premies Non-Practicing Premies Non-Premies Now there is a new category:- Ex-Premies Sadly, there is also the category of:- Blocked Ex-Premies FREE JIM!!!!! John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:08:16 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Liz Subject: NPP Message: Morning Liz, An NPP is a Non-Practising Premie. It's the final stage before liberation. Anth the Sleepy Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 19:42:47 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: AJW Subject: Isn't It Ironic Message: That you have to leave everything that you thought would get you to enlightenment before you reach enlightenment! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 20:52:07 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Isn't It Ironic Message: That sounds very Zen! So what's enlightenment like? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:08:44 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Enlightenment - not Message: Put it this way.... I'll tell you what it's not. Enlightenment is not coming back from seeing Maharaji and getting blissed out and then it wearing off like you were Cinderella or something. Enlightenment is not being a PAM and feeling better than everyone else because you are in the front row. Enlightenment is not standing around Maharaji and family at a Res party feeling uncomfortable because you can't be just you. Enlightenment isn't knowing where M is staying and being in the same expensive hotel. Enlightenment is not overlooking the fact that Maharaji is greedy and he doesn't really give a shit about you or any of his other premies except perhaps 'good friends' that help him out financially. Enlightenment isn't sitting in front of a video screen twice a week for an hour and getting programmed. Then coming away and feeling uncomfortable talking or not talking to premies and just not being You - but looking 'blissed out.' Enlighenment isn't feeling that you have to protect M from and critisism. I could go on but I think you get the idea. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:15:44 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Rob Subject: Enlightenment - not Message: I forgot one..... Enlighenment isn't chasing M around the Globe. Ex-Globe-Trotter. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 19:51:14 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Enlightenment - not Message: Okayyyyyy, Now we've established what it isn't, how about some clues as to what it is? Maybe there's no such thing even - I'll buy that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 20:03:30 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Enlightenment - not Message: So what was your Guru talking about when he said we should realise knowledge like he did a few hours after getting it? John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 21:25:46 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Liz Subject: Enlightenment - not Message: Liz: Very insightful and right on. Pay no attention to Rob. He has an agenda that is not being disclosed. Your list says it all. I'm glad you posted it. Keep on going! Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 09:29:54 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Rob Subject: Enlightment Message: Hi Rob, Enlightenment is a concept invented by Buddhist spin doctors to entice you into their religion. Anth the Nowandzen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |