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From: Jun 28, 1999 |
To: Jul 8, 1999 |
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Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 00:07:51 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Forum 3 was Great Message: I'd like to thank you all. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 02:10:05 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: KB Subject: THANKS! Message: Thanks to everybody and especially Brian and Katie who should get the last post somehow. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 04:11:08 (EDT)
From: Da Email: Da To: barney Subject: THANKS! Message: Da - That is the way it works! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 02:35:31 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: KB Subject: Forum 3 was Great Message: I very much agree. It has been an educational experience for me. Thank you all. Curly Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 03:17:55 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: All who ran Forum 3 Subject: Forum 3 was Great Message: Many thanks to all of you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 07:11:25 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: KB Subject: Forum 3 was Great Message: Thanks Brian and Katie, you did a great job in what were sometimes difficult circumstances. Chris. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 07:30:27 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: forum Subject: Robs NEW discrepencies. Message: This is my third try with this post. I am starting to think I am blocked. Feel like a celebrity. You are all jealous, thats why you are all so quiet. Does this sound like I have lost it? It is what Rob sounds like to me. In his STUPID FUCKS post he is jeering at how stupid exs are for falling for his clever hoax. ''You stupid, stupid fucks, you believed every word of it,'' And in his email to barney, he says noone in EV knows who is but!!! M cuts him alot of slack - more than most in fact. He is so deluded he doesnt even know which story is the truth. On one hand he is just a lonely prankster who M doesnt even know, on the other M called him to the residence possibly to retrain the goons. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 08:02:22 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: thread Subject: OOPS wrong thread above post Message: should be down below or new thread. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 23:15:23 (EDT)
From: Lizzie Email: None To: Jean-Michel & All Subject: The Cult explosion Message: I just found this book today, The Cult Explosion by Dave Hunt. I have sent an article about M in Chapter 7 to Jean-Michel and as I can't do cut & paste and I don't want to rewrite it here so I hope he can post it here or on his website. Maybe you've already seen it. I thought it was an interesting perspective. Lizzie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 23:17:15 (EDT)
From: Lizzie Email: None To: Jean-Michel & All Subject: Addendum Message: It's called The Cult Explosion. AN EXPOSE OF TODAY'S CULTS AND WHY THEY PROSPER. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 02:08:44 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Lizzie Subject: I remember... Message: Once during a difficult time I was living at home with my parents who were rather religious. Maharaji came to town and I had a premie friend staying with us. I didn't tell my parents that Maharaji was in town to try to keep things simple. So, we get home from the Guru show and my father has some book about cults that he had just bought. He had found out about the program. My father is ready to go and have a debate about it. Well, I didn't want any part of it because I was blissed out. So, I let my rather talkative friend handle the debate while I watched TV. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 04:45:33 (EDT)
From: blissed out Email: None To: barney Subject: I remember... Message: blissed out: wow Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 22:42:33 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: Everyone Subject: Small mindedness Message: My post about small mindedness isn't on this site but is on The ANYTHING GOES forum so please go there to read it and respond, if you want to. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 23:58:20 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Small mindedness Message: Maybe we will allow him some tolerance on your forum Sir David. But on forum 4 he is a misguided premie sucker. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 04:47:56 (EDT)
From: post Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Small mindedness Message: Now, 'in a way', it is on both, you tricky guy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 22:41:28 (EDT)
From: curious Email: None To: Everyone Subject: jim thrown out ? Message: i got knowledge in 1973.......many ups and downs as i'm sure you'll gather ....occasionally do the techniques these days but never go to the vids or programs.....lastprogram was longbeach 1996.....enjoyed some of that program but many things made me really step back and ponder ....i found the whole trinket market area really weird and also the total obsessive emphasis on M and his face/personality etc ...at the expense of practically everything else including the knowledge techniques!! ......anyway it made me feel that perhaps it could be ,after all , a clever subtle con that has managed to survive for decades.....occasionally feel like i get sucked in again once in a while when i play a music or satsang cassette but most of the time feel i want to be once and for all free of the whole goddamn business.......came across this forum fairly recently and decided to readit from the first downloads to the present day .....only downloaded the first 8 or so from about 2 years ago.....most of the ex-premies of that period really inspired me to look at this whole trip without residual fear/guilt etc BUT the one who i could really relate to most was jim heller.......yep he was occasionally rude but jeeze he held all the airy fairy sugary premie bullshitters to account and seemed to be the only one who really wanted to use this forum to truly cut to the chase and expose premie bullshit .......have just browsed thru' some recent posts and discover you have banned him !!!!!!!!! i was completely gobsmacked !!!!!!!! please tell me why youve done this .....and direct me to the forum dates etc wherin you started to fall out with him so that i can read it ......perhaps you have good reason but as far as i can judge from reading his posts of 2 years ago , i think youve ditched your greatest most intelligent asset .....then again maybe he got outlandishly rude and gave up his clever , logical, incisive, insightful probing .....please help anyway ...thanks ....... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 22:50:51 (EDT)
From: curious Email: None To: curious Subject: jim thrown out ? Message: ps .....i may soon become a fairly regular contributor here and reveal my real name and email adress but at the moment i'm just curious .....i live in London Engalnd .....its 3-40 am which explains my sloppy grammar/puctuation/style etc ....i'm jiggerred !! ......i'd like some help and companionship eetc whilst tryin to extract myself from cultish conditioning but if the reason you barred jim turns out to be a PETTY one then i'll prob just read the forum for a few days more and try to hack it on my own without becoming a forum contributor. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 23:04:22 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: curious Subject: jim thrown out ? Message: Hang around a while, Curious. There is a new forum starting tomorrow. See the thread below for the address. Personally, I'd love to hear your slant on things. Jim is posting over there and on Sir David's forum. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 00:04:05 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: curious Subject: jim thrown out ? Message: Dont post in the middle of the night. It shows. And don't look to judge our actions. You had to be there. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 01:21:35 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: curious Subject: Nah, it's ok. Welcome aboard Message: Curious, I was involved in that rather unusual problem. It can get wild and people can overheat. Again, that situation was unusual and it was the culmination of a lot of separate and isolated ingredients that got put into the soup with the heat set too high. The kitchen has been cleaned up and we've rented a new house and are moving on. The happy ending is that everything was resolved. The folks involved will be ok sooner or later. I'm doing fine now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 04:34:28 (EDT)
From: Doing Fine Now Email: None To: barney Subject: Nah, it's ok. Welcome aboard Message: 1. The happy ending is that everything was resolved. 2. The folks involved will be ok sooner or later. 3. I'm doing fine now. ------------------------------------------ #1 - This is the Bigie, RESOLVED, Ya right, with him being, EX-comunicated, an {EX}, being {EX} from the {EX}-Priemie Site, 'resolved.' #2 - Or later, Hmmm I hear that Infinity is a long time. #3 - Who cares? All is now Resolved, I declare! ------------{ 'A Joke' (c)1999 }---------------------------- All rights reserved. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 21:59:00 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Another e-mail from Rob Message: Return-Path: From: RobA727947@AOL.COM Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:39:24 EDT Subject: Forum III answer from Rob To: freedom@gtn.net 7. What reasons could you give me for going back to MJ and K? Gail, I didn't want to post a reply directly on the forum because I feel some people have been upset by what they see as me trying to 'talk people back over the fence'. Not that I'm about to do that with you, of course! I really don't know what to say to this question. It's kind of one of those questions you have to answer yourself. Why would you even consider it? First of all you have to look at the differences in your quality of life before, during and then after being a practising premie. If you ever had any inkling as to what Knowledge is really about, no matter how little you experienced it, you will know for yourself how precious a gift it is, that it touches on something so close to your heart. One reason for pursuing it then might be to not lose touch with that. I know things were so much different 10, 15, 20 years ago. I had a hard time with the Hindi flavour Knowledge was tinged with. I'm very much a plain vanilla (or whiskey-flavoured) person. Maybe Maharaji realized that about Westerners and adapted, who knows? All I know is these days it is very straight forward. I go to events, I buy the videos because I can't stand watching them in a room full of giggling premies, I keep my own company most of the time. Nobody knows how much or how little I practice (unless they read the forum!) But the most important thing for you to do, if you ever did decide to go back, would be to not throw it up for discussion on the Forum. I think that much should be obvious. There are so many intelligent and persuasive people there who would be totally dead-set against you making a switch, and you would have to be very, very strong to follow the quiet voice in your heart in the face of all that. I can deal with it because I have that strength, a lot more than people realize. Ultimately it's your choice, you know that. It's not my place to try to persuade you one way or the other. I feel that would be capitalizing on your uncertainty and therefore wrong. Which ever way you decide to go, I wish you every happiness. Love, Rob Personally, I think Rob is lying now to do damage control. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 22:16:29 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Another e-mail from Rob Message: Gail: Thank you so much for posting this! I agree with you 100% that he is into damage control. The little experiment he conducted turned into a Frankenstein, complete with threats which impliedly have come from Rawat & co. Love, Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 00:49:44 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Marianne Subject: strength to do what? Message: I'm with Marianne, Thanks for posting this. Want to post this on forum 4? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 03:25:22 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Gail Subject: Gail , Rob doesn't deserve... Message: your time of day. Gail, 'Rob' is an utter and complete arsehole. I can'r understand why so many people here have wasted so much time on him. Love from Jethro Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 21:58:07 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Last Call Message: I'm going to lock Forum III in the morning, and then run the final archive. Thanks to all of you for making this forum so successful, and I'll see you all on Forum IV. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 14:30:13 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: Everyone Subject: Let's be fair on Rob Message: Because he did apologise (in thread down below) for things he said to some people and that takes a big man to do that. In this medium it's easy to get carried away with things and things do get out of control quite fast. Perhaps Rob, you could come back and know that you can post here with a clean sheet with all else wiped off the slate. That's me mixing my metaphores again but your posts have demonstrated a talent and also a need to communicate. Let's not let any silly negativity stand in our way on this one or self rightious indignation. Your presence here is a valuable one and I'm sure it will evolve. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:16:03 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: I hate liars such as Rob Message: With everything else I have to contend with, surely wasting time posting to a liar is not one of them. Perhaps due to my involvement with Maharaji, I tend to take people at face value, and I believe them. As Maharaji once said, 'I hate liars and thieves.' I concur. Of course, look whose talking. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:54:06 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Gail Subject: I hate liars such as Rob Message: I'm feeling like you today Gail. He had the gall to call us suckers when he decided to change his story. I wont be entering his mind anytime soon. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 16:30:02 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: KB Subject: the harmless joke Message: Yesterday, upon the revelation by Rob that it was all a joke I had to give him credit for doing such a thorough job. I even had a chuckle about it. And here comes Gail saying it how she does, how she feels. With Gail in mind, I'm not sure that Rob's joke was so harmless as he's almost indicated. In fact, what he did to Gail was pretty cruel. This Internet is a funny thing. It really pushes the boundaries of Free Speech. People can do and say just about anything about anybody. Yeah, that's what we're doing to Maharaji alright, but he is a public figure who is enjoying an extremely luxurious life from his scam. Consider that some of this stuff that is said on the Internet can ruin people's lives. 1. Art Bell and his webmaster. A couple of former guests on the Art Bell radio show who turned out to be bogus liars posted some stuff and appeared on other radio shows claiming that Art and his webmaster were pornographers and child molesters. Art's webmaster, a devout Christian and family man, had to be hospitalized with heart problems. Art and the webmaster are suing. The false story and other factors brought out the real reason for Art's disappearance from his radio show last fall or whenever. The reason turned out to be that Art's 16 year old son had been molested by his school teacher who was HIV positive. The school teacher is now serving a life prison term. That's a lot of shit to deal with. For awhile Art did not even try to fight the lies because it would compromise his son. 2. In a suburb of Chicago a nine year old girl wrote in chalk on her neighbor's driveway the word 'Hello'. The angry neighbor posted some sick shit on the Internet giving the girl's name, address, and phone number and said that she wanted to uh, er, do that thing that she was uh, er, doing with her father with other men. Well, you can imagine what happened and it was really horror show. No, no one got physically hurt, but there were men showing up at night and phone calls day and night, letters. Now, two years later and the family sold their house and moved the evil neighbor was finally caught and plead guilty to a misdemeanor. At first the police said they couldn't do anything about it. The only good thing about this is that the mother is championing to make such crimes a felony. 3. And there's other stories, too, of course. So, the point is that stuff on the Internet can have severe and profound effects on people's lives. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 03:16:29 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Let's be fair on Rob Message: 'Because he did apologise (in thread down below) for things he said to some people and that takes a big man to do that.' I can;t believe you wrote that. Which 'Rob' is the real one......this person is a completely without any credibility. The only thing 'Rob' has done is demonstarte admirably a large section of the premie-mind set, an enbarrasment to the human race. Jethro Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:22:43 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Far Out TV Show Message: Hi, The programme with the interview with Ex premie Syd is on British Channel 4 TV, Saturday August 1st, at 9 oclock. The programme is called 'Far Out. The Dawning of New Age Britain'. Video recorders at the ready. (Jean Michel wants a copy and it's the first day of my holidays in a TV free zone). Anth Holder of the Remote Control Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 11:32:32 (EDT)
From: Toby Email: None To: Everyone Subject: drink & drive Message: I remember for a long time there was advertising going on in the US and almost everywehre. DONT DRINK AND DRIVE !!!!!!!!!!! What about drink and fly. Almost everybody knows by now that m is the drunken master. He is at threat to the public if you let him fly as a pilot. His license should be definitely taken away . Does anybody know how to inform official authority in America? You dont need to answer, just DO IT. Sounds like I have heard that before. Well anyway Asta la proxima Toby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:11:00 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Toby Subject: drink & drive Message: Current regulations state that you can't have had a drink within twenty four hours of piloting a plane. I wonder if the Lord keeps to that rule? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 13:08:06 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: booze & fly Message: I don't think anybody could enforce this, otherwise there wouldn't be much pilots left. I know quite some professional pilots, none of them is sober, not speaking of H and tranquilizers. Some big companies try to, I guess it's the companies' business to check their pilots, but the pilots are quite a powerful lobby - they would never accept that! I don't know how Alvaro Pascotto or Michael Dettmers could do that! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 10:38:19 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Soul Rush: 1 more chapter Message: Don't miss it! Soul Rush Preface: Set the record straight CHAPTER 9: Initiation to Knowledge CHAPTER 10: Communal monastic life CHAPTER 11: First steps in DLM's headquarters CHAPTER 12: Millennium Fever CHAPTER 13: Soul Rush CHAPTER 14: The Rawat's War CHAPTER 15: Development of DUO CHAPTER 16: Tale of Horror. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:35:37 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Whole stuff online! Message: With the last chapter, and the conclusion CHAPTER 17: A Placebo called Knowledge CONCLUSION: Still experimenting with living the best life Soul Rush Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:54:48 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Great stuff online! Message: Thanks, JM. for putting it online! I just read the whole thing and printed it out. A valuable story to read - and things I guess most of us recognize. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 13:09:57 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Happy Subject: Soon for download Message: Please tell me the typos, I'm sure there are quite some. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 14:20:35 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: BRAVO! Message: J-M, Excellent job! Your site is really looking great. You're HTML skills and layout are getting really good. Hope you're enjoying it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:18:32 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: barney Subject: BRAVO! Message: Jean Michel, That book was excellent. Thank you very much for making it available. I'm sure it will be a valuable asset to anyone having second thoughts about their involvement with Maharaji. BTW, does anyone know what happened to the author? What an interesting and talented person she is. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:38:29 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: gerry Subject: Sophia Collier Message: Gerry: Sophia started Soho Soda after she left the cult. She sold it and then became the CEO (or some such position) of a progressive investment fund. She was the guest of the President on Air Force One in 1995-96. I've seen her on TV occasionally. She's obviously very intelligent, and a quick wit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:47:13 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Sophia Collier Message: Right. She is, or was, the head of Working Assets. You can invest with them (they have screens for various issues that weed out the polluters, weapons manufacturers, etc.,) and you can also get a credit card from them with certain proceeds going to various causes. Working Assets started a long distance telephone company a number of years ago. That's the long distance carrier I use, and every month you can 'round up' your bill with the proceeds going to causes you select. I'm not sure if Sophia was ever associated with the phone company. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 02:00:50 (EDT)
From: An Ass Ole' Email: None To: Rob Subject: Two-Boats? Rob? Message: I'm still waiting for any premie to answer at least one of my questions, before I'll get into a serious dialogue with them via email. It should be obvious which question(s) can be safely answered in public without detriment. If Maharaji is like some fictional character to you, I'm afraid I shan't be emailing you. We can joke and jive another time, but not right now. Enjoy your meditation Rob Just What kind of premie are you waiting for to answer your questions ? Spin you and jim around real fast ..bet I couldn't tell the diff ! Why do you want a serious conversation with a (premie)? Rob , You are not required...as a fourth command...to do anything for Maharaji in any way shape or form. What you do here has nothing to do with the residence of Maharaji or Co. Further more if we find out who you are, and you do come up here ... The residence...Maharaji and his family and his premies are none of this forum's business. You seem to have a foot in two boats....hope your wearing spandex! What is your long turn goal in talking with ex-premie's? Do you practice this knowledge in full accordance with the MAster's request? Do you consider that you are helping ill feelings to mend? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 02:15:24 (EDT)
From: Maharaji Email: Holy Name To: An Ass Ole' Subject: Two-Boats? Rob? Message: You are not required...as a fourth command...to do anything for Maharaji in any way shape or form. What you do here has nothing to do with the residence of Maharaji or Co. Further more if we find out who you are, and you do come up here ... The residence...Maharaji and his family and his premies are none of this forum's business Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:07:35 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Rob Roy Subject: I know you're real Rob Message: because there's a picture of you on the back of my packet of Scots Porrage Oats, tossing a caber. So you can't fool me! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:39:04 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The Sloshed Maharaji Message: I hadn't read Sophia Collier's book in 20 years. I remember when it came out around 1978 or so, I got a copy of it, and took it to my office where I worked to read it, cover to cover, every single word. I savored it. I was living in the ashram at the time and I didn't DARE let it be seen where David Smith or Anne Johnston might see it. I never told another premie I read it. I also remember that line about Maharaji being drunk and sluring his words at Millennium. Too funny. And what a bitch Mata Ji was! Thanks to J-M for putting it on line. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 14:25:53 (EDT)
From: An old Chicago Ex Email: None To: JW Subject: that explains a lot Message: JW, Now I know why you would pass up us premies freezing to death at those bus stops while you drove to work in your powder blue dodge dart - you were reading that book at the stop lights! ;) That's too funny that you were reading this book on the sly. Didn't it make you feel a bit twisted? After all it was blasphemy? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 16:14:52 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: An old Chicago Ex Subject: that explains a lot Message: Yeah, funny. I think I was craving some form of objective discussion about Maharaji that just didn't exist in the premie world, with the brief exception of a period in 1976, that Sophia talks about in her book. Do others remember the 'workshop' period that began in early 1976 and lasted for about 6 months? It was great and I loved that period. We actually got to use our brains and talk to each other like intelligent human beings, instead of indoctrinated cult members. Of course, Big M put the whammy on that little endeavor, once he saw the money he was going to lose as people left the ashrams in droves and started focusing on their own lives. He really became an unabashed megalomanic for the next 7 years or so after that. As g's mom will attest, this was when he got into his 'fat naked dancing' period. In was the the darkest of Maharaji's devotional period that Sophia's book came out, around 1978 or 1979. That period was really difficult for me because I wasn't attracted to Maharaji, didn't feel much love or affection for him, and always hoped I would get the juice if I just held on. I love Sophia's line... responding to hearing premies say, in satsang, that Maharaji loved them and that he and and his grace were controlling their lives: 'All I could see was that he was in Malibu getting fat.' Thanks, Sophia a very great line. But I do wonder. If Sophia never thought of Maharaji as god, like most of the rest of us did, why did she stay in the mission as long as she did, putting up with those fascist assholes in Divine Light Mission? Maybe it was because she made friends. I could say the same for myself. But I also stayed because of the LOADS of fear that Maharaji and his minions instilled into us. And how did Sophia get away with living in the ashram and not going to satsang EVERY NIGHT???? She said in the book that she rarely went. Any place I lived, you wouldn't have gotten away with that. Maybe that's why she didn't get as indoctrinated as the rest of us, and actually used her brain to think about what was going on. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 00:36:51 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Just a Website Message: I was talking to Katie on the phone yesterday and we were talking about how someone had made the comment that people needed to chill out because this was 'just a website' I agreed with this statement when I first heard it. I still do, partly. Let me try to explain. Katie is a real person--flesh and blood whom I have met in 'REAL LIFE'. So I understand the meaning of 'this is just a website.' It means that Katie has relationships that have nothing to do with ex-premie.org. She a family. She has cats. She eats, she sleeps...ok, maybe not lately...but usually. She gardens. Did you know that? Katie has a remarkable green thumb! The point is that this ex-premie thing is just one part of her life. Same for me. I have a significant other and beautiful children. I love to read, paint, attend the symphony, ride horses and deep sea fish. I hate to fly in planes but a gin and tonic can cure that, well almost. The ocean, an orgasm and a summer rain shower make me feel alive, but this...this is just a website. At the same time, I know that this place is NOT just a website. For many out there it is the first place they find when trying to get reliable information about Maharaji (Prem Pal to Bill B.:) For many it is a place where the doubts and fears that they have been stuffing down for decades, years, or maybe only months are echoed by others--aloud! For some people it is a first step on the road to freedom. Dare I say it, to their own salvation--with no strings attached. The forum is the place where people who wish to can discuss Maharaji without having to employ such words as 'gratitude, service, or enjoy.' (Nothing wrong with these words in their proper context!) In the journey section people can write about their experiences without an editor changing their words to protect the interests of some kind of group mind think. People here have always been able to express their doubts, fears, share stories and information, search for people from the past, or just plain make fun of themselves for being so damn gullible. (Or make fun of Maharaji in a Carmen Miranda hat-sheesh!) We are here to support one another through the difficult struggle to get off of the fence and on with real life. We are here to challenge each other to think independently and live fully...not bow to a master or readily accept the party line. That's really what this place is about--helping each other get out of a hold that we have been under. Learning to think for ourselves and find out what life has in store for us. This place is important and special for the people who come here and really need it. It has an amazing purpose and if you forget it, just try to put yourself back where you were when you found it. (Before you hit 'post', for crying out loud!) For this site to be tarnished by the likes of what has gone on here lately is petty. This place deserves better than that, people. But it doesn't need to be taken so seriously that it is worshipped because I tell you that this IS and IS NOT just a website--at the same time. Remember the fence sitters and remember Katie's garden. Be responsible to all of that as you post here. And in the end, do what you want anyway, for this is not a cult. Your pal, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:34:49 (EDT)
From: X Email: None To: VP Subject: Just a Website Message: Yes....................................................................................... What a way with words? Hmmmm? I know I wanted something, O', I have an Idea, Please read the following if you want to and then let me know what you think. . Imagin a Web Site that has only one major theam going on that is the chat/Message that a post shows up about 1 every 10 min depending on what the Web Master allows to go through, I hope your following this, anyway, now ----, my point that I am trying to make is IS that not allways 100% the way the individual sees thier own life. And others. Love Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 09:31:16 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: VP Subject: Just a Website Message: Dear VP: It was me you're quoting. Thank you for your post, it has made me reflect on yesterday's events and my reaction to them. I'll just chill and enjoy the forum. Best regards, Curly Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 09:36:42 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: VP Subject: Now I realise Message: what it was that got me all pissy. The damn nicotine withdrawal Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 09:49:50 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Curly Subject: Reflection Message: Reflection is a wonderful thing... as long as it's not Maharaji's reflection in a pool of water on some insiduous video! snicker snicker :) Have a good one, Curly! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 10:34:39 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: VP Subject: Reflection Message: No, at the moment the only reflection in a pool of water I can se is the Marlboro mMan's. Gotta grab sssome ttwinkies, fast! RRRRegards, CCCcurly Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:49:15 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Curly Subject: Thanks, Curly Message: Curly: Thanks for chiming in on my behalf last night. Give that Marlboro Man a swift kick in the pants! Are you frying back east? Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 01:13:03 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: VP Subject: Just a Website Message: Well said, VP. I haven't kept up with the forum too much over the last month or so - too much other stuff happening in the non-cyber world. But I can very well remember how I felt when I first discovered this site, and the forum, and I totally agree that it's important to remember that this place is a life-saver for some people. It has been for me. Love ya Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 00:03:54 (EDT)
From: Brian and Katie Email: webmasters@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Nobody likes changes, and this forum has certainly seen a lot of them in the last few months. Those who have been around since Forum I have seen changes that took them from Scott's little miraclevision site and Forum I, to the 'alt.cult.maharaji' newsgroup, to Ex-Premie.Org being founded, to Forum II being created, and to Forum II being followed by Forum III. Now Forum III is being followed by Forum IV. On January 1, 1998, we officially took over the webmaster's job on Ex-Premie.Org from the person who had been doing the work. At that time, 'Forum II' was located off-site on the Paradise forum server, which is where Sir David's 'Say Anything' forum is now located. The job of webmaster and forum administrator were both held on Forum I by the person who had created them. After the site pages were moved to Ex-Premie.Org, and the discussion also was moved from usenet to Forum II, the jobs were briefly held by two different people. We took on both jobs with the change of management, and never viewed or treated them as being separate. Because of problems with the Paradise forum server eating hundreds of Forum II posts randomly, Brian decided to learn the Perl programming language, write a program that could run on the Ex-Premie.Org site, and to install it as 'Forum III' on the web server in Ex-Premie.Org's disk space. Forum III went on-line in April of 1998. Since that time, over 1.8 million posts have been served up to readers. On June 1, we turned the site and forum over to Barney to run. After 3 weeks we found ourselves taking the job back on when he didn't wish to continue with it. Since then we've found ourselves trying to mediate an ugly dispute offline, and at the same time having to be the heavies in restoring the forum to its intended purpose. We've read everyone's email and posts offering suggestions, spoken to many people on the phone, and talked it over between us. And we've asked ourselves why we ever came back into this unpaid job that we had been doing for the last year and a half, and why it is such a difficult responsibility to pass on to someone else. What we've decided is that we took (and re-took) the job because of the value we both place in seeing that the contents of the site are preserved for those who have yet to find it. And we've also decided that the largest problem with trying to maintain the site and forum was created when the forum was moved into the site's disk space. Granted, as both the forum and the site expanded, maintaining them both became too much work for one or two people. But we had also created a condition where forum content could possibly present a legal liability for the site itself. We have been very protective - and probably overprotective - of the site because so many people have put so much time and energy into writing sections, contributing Journeys entries, and so forth. That protectiveness extended itself to the forum after the site and forum were joined, and the issue of forum security became a large factor in many of the decisions that we had to make. It was also a factor in many issues that we were reluctant to discuss in public on the forum itself. We've read your suggestions that the job should be broken up, and we're in complete agreement. So we have decided to move the forum back off of the site, and have found someone who is willing to perform the job of 'Forum Administrator'. Katie has paid for a year's subscription for a Paradise forum, and we've worked with the new forum administrator in setting it up. After the first year is up, the person who is running the forum may want to solicit funds from those of you who use and enjoy it. (We recommend that any and all checks be made out to the server, since that's what we've done when soliciting funds for the Ex-Premie.Org site). Or, they can choose to pay for service themselves. This decision allows the jobs to be separated, and it also allows the site to exist independently of any policy set by whoever is serving as Forum Administrator. Anyone can now perform that job without becoming a 'Perl guru', and Brian is freed of having to do the software maintenence for the rest of his life. By hosting the forum onsite and running proprietary software, we had raised the requirement for running the forum above a level that could reasonably be met by the people willing to do the job. Far more people were excluded than were included, and our list of possible candidates who would do the job for no pay shrunk to zero. We will continue as webmasters of the site (Ex-Premie.Org) itself. We've put off a lot of work that we wanted to do there because of the time we've spent dealing with problems on the forum, but we'll now be able to work on it undistracted by forum issues and squabbles. We'll maintain a link to the new forum, and continue hosting Journey's entries, updating White Pages entries, and expanding the pages. Katie wants to go through the archives from the first 3 forums and clean them up. We'll post notices on Forum IV regarding new Journey's entries or new site pages, but otherwise we'll confine our posting there to the rules laid down by the person running the forum. The posts on Forum IV will not be archived, but you are free to save note-worthy posts in the same manner as Roger Drek's 'Best of the Forum' pages that he hosts on his site. We'll probably 'steal' posts ourselves. Conversation can begin at any time on Forum IV, as it's all set to go. We'll be closing Forum III after we've changed all of the links on the site during the next few days. Then we'll archive the last of the posts, and place a link to the new forum in its place. After we took over the site, we found that many people had suggestions about what should be added. But we only had so much time to devote to doing the work on the website and forum, since we had our own lives that we lived on the side. Other people saw this, and solved the problem by setting up their own ex-premie-sites on the web, and hosting some of the suggested material there.We then linked to those sites from Ex-Premie.Org. Jean-Michel, Roger Drek, and Sir David have all created very useful and intereresting ex-premie sites in this manner. Some people who were dissatisfied with the way that we ran Forum III may also find themselves dissatisfied with the way that Forum IV will be run. Those people are free to set up and maintain other web-based forums, which we will also link to. Sir David's forum is a good example of this sort of personal initiative. We've both learned that while there are many mistakes that can be made when responsibility is shouldered, and there is always the risk of having to make public apologies when mistakes are made publicly, there is no 'perfect' way to run an online forum. Just as there is no 'perfect' way to run a website, and there are no 'Perfect Masters'. We realize that many of you think that we handled the most recent dispute on the forum poorly. It was an extremely difficult situation, and we're sure we made mistakes in the way we handled it. While we're not really sure what those mistakes were yet, we'll look back and they'll probably stand out clearly. When we turned over the site and forum to Barney, we thanked many people who had helped us during the year and a half that we ran the site. Those 'thank yous' still stand. However, we'd also like to thank several people who helped us very much during the past few weeks: Jean-Michel, JW, Gerry, Runamok, Sir David, the Moon Lodge women, and a few others who wish to remain un-named. And thanks to all of the rest of you for your help, your honesty, and your input. Brian & Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:12:22 (EDT)
From: X Email: None To: Brian and Katie Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: 'We'll probably 'steal' posts ourselves.' - {Say it was news worthy, and its ok.}, Your speech above, Very cool, well said, I hope 1 day you and I may talk. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 03:05:13 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Brian and Katie Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Even though I'm a relative newcomer to Forum III, arriving sometime in late 1997, I'd like to say this: What a long strange trip it's been! The farewell party for Forum III after everything that we have recently gone through (thanks Rob for the entertainment and needed distraction) needs to have one very special guest - Maharaji, the Lord of the Universe! Please Maharaji, grace our humble site! Rock me Maharaji and say it's all riiiiiight... Just for you, Maharaji, Brian can add a little MIDI tune, perhaps Lila? Seriously, I agree with the real need for Brian and Katie to move on and get a life. From my brief and glorious experience of only three weeks I became fearful of the possibility of being saddled with being webmaster for the rest of my life. In my work I've developed a fair amount of software for people to run. No, nothing big with millions served. Sometimes I innocently developed software on my own initiative in order to automate some tedious administrative task that I was responsible for. And then I'd see that I could shift the whole task of doing the automated process to someone else and I'd be free of it. Not quite! Long after you've forgotten everything about the very code you wrote only a month ago there's some kind of problem and you've got to drop everything and figure it all out from the beginning and get them running ASAP. The maintenance commitment rarely ends unless you get another job or leave town. Also, even after you've busted your butt doing all nighters and working all weekend there's still someone who just doesn't like it. They want it to do more, they want it easier, they want it to be more robust and then they wonder why it took you so long to do it in the first place. Answer to that age old question/critique, You're late: Well, uh, Mr. Project Manager or whomever, you only provided me with the schedule that said it needed to be done by yesterday. You never provided me detailed specifications so I had to spec it, design it, build it and test it. And before I even finish you start demanding changes. A sick thought: As a programmer I sometimes wish for nuclear war to put us all back in the stone age so we can eat purple berries and provide our own entertainment by tossing pebbles into the pond. Ok, I'm rambling about the hellish life of overpaid Software Engineers. BTW, Dilbert is real life stuff, not a newspaper comic strip. I've lived it. So, let me say this. It's a real tough job just to build and maintain software. But, to have to mediate bickering on top of that is just too much to ask of anyone. It took just three short weeks for me to rethink my commitment. BarneySoft© Vaporware Pre-Release Press Announcement Finally, I'll make a promise that I probably won't keep, but I can probably write an application that snags all the posts on the new forum and puts them into a database on my machine. I'm getting a DSL line soon and I can run it 24/7. I did make the promise to make an offline reader database thingy for Forum III. I did some proof of concept work, but got lazy and didn't finish. Actually, as things have worked out that was ok. Happy Trails, Forum III. On to the new world, a kinder and gentler one. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:40:49 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Brian and Katie Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Paradise forums seem to work alright now, at least mine does. There are of course, other forums that can be used which might even be better. I know Geocities has them and so does Yahoo. There are many more. I think it's the best idea to seperate the forum from the website. Also, if archiving is not being done then it cuts down the workload tremendously. In actual fact, I was ready to offer myself as webmaster of a new ex-premie forum if this old one deteriorated or went out of business. Only I wasn't prepared to spend time archiving the posts. Anyway, you've done a good job on the web site and that's a nice permanent fixture on the web. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 10:16:23 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Hi Sir David - I agree with you about Paradise forums - they certainly have gotten better since Forum II days (I'm sure you remember some of our experiences with them at that time! Sheesh!). The format is also familiar to most of the people who post here. I still haven't figured out Paradise's logic in threading posts, but that's neither here nor there. Also, yes, archiving can be a pain, since you have to watch the site all the time so it doesn't lock up, etc. You might want to contact Gerry (forum administrator of Forum IV) regarding your offer to help. I'm sure he'll need at least a break from time to time :). Thanks for what you said about the web site. Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 10:38:34 (EDT)
From: Runamok Email: None To: Katie Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Boy, I'm gonna miss these newfangled frames. Guess there's no chance of seeing them around. Bye, frames. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:52:46 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Boy, I'm gonna miss these newfangled frames. Me, too, Run! This forum software is superior to any other out there. That's why Brian needs to sell it and make money for all of his hard work. Someone can always BUY this software and maybe we can have it back that way, eh? (One suggestion, Brian. Put spell check on the thing ;) Paradise used to suck. sob! I'm sad sad sad sad sad sad sad to see it change. I told Katie and Brian by e-mail that I think putting the forum on site and writing this software was brilliant on Brian's part. I do hate to see it change. On the other hand, am I MYSELF willing to read EACH AND EVERY post, archive, handle forum disputes? HELL NO! I'd have to read CD for crying out loud! (Just joshin', Chris) But seriously, no way, no how. Am I gonna tell Katie and Brian what they have to do with their lives just to PLEASE ME or anyone else here? HELL NO! I'm gonna thank them for their time and effort. They have helped a lot of people here, as have all of you who take the time to post. JW, Jim, Nigel, Gail, KK, JM, TD, John K, Bill, Robyn, eb, Judex, Selene, Micky, Rick, Anon, Sir David, Jerry, Gerry and others who I am forgetting stand out in my mind as being the posters who really helped me. Even if anyone here disagrees with the decisions that Brian and/or Katie have made in the past week, my hope is that you will agree they worked their assess off and deserve some thanks. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:56:14 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Helen Subject: Shit, I forgot Helen! -nt Message: Thanks to Helen, too! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 13:04:17 (EDT)
From: eb Email: None To: Brian and Katie Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Dear Brian and Katie, I want to acknowledge your hard work and dedication toward making Forum III run so smoothly as to make it all seem effortless. Barney made some excellent points about the endless, thankless task of running the site; as if that weren't enough, mediating disputes and considering legal ramifications in your decision making processes--sounds rather stressful for a volunteer position. And I agree with Runamok--I'm going to miss the frames. For the record, (snicker and a big 'high' to Robyn), after years of traditional and cognitive therapies and hooey hooey New Age healing modalities, I can honestly say: the Ex-Premie Forum has done more to help me to unravel the cult brainwashing accumulated through years of Mormonism and Maharaji-ism than all my previous (and expensive) efforts combined. My gratitude to you both for everything! Paradise won't be as nice (gotta love this 'preview message' capability). With love, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 08, 1999 at 01:22:59 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: eb, Katie and Brian Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Same here (at least in generalities), eb. Dear Katie and Brian Just want to echo the messages of appreciation. You've done an incredible job, for me personally you've provided an avenue to freedom several times wider that I'd been able to find myself. I'm real glad to hear that you've found a way to extricate yourselves from full-time forum servitude. Glad you've decided to keep the site still. It's a fantastic resource for anyone who wants to get another angle on MJ, and I think your approach to it is spot on. I'll also miss this format, agree it's better than any equivalent I've seen, not that I'm a connaisseur - hope you're getting it all packaged up to make your fortune, Brian. Agree that a spell-check would be great! Hope all goes well for you, Brian and Katie, and that you have a wonderful time in the hours that you reclaim Love, Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:52:27 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: None To: Brian and Katie Subject: Announcing Forum IV Message: Dear Brian and Katie, I just want to thank you again for all the work you've done. I know it has taken lots of effort and time out of your lives no matter what some think. I know because I know you. I am glad your 'load' will be lightened back to something managable. I will tell you also that while it is nice to have posts archived, on Sir's forum I've happily awaited for some of my posts to drop off the edge! :) As you said if there are things a person wants to save they can. Love you both, SEE you soon, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:07:57 (EDT)
From: Miss Marple Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Rob the Defector Message: I think Rob has just become a defector like the rest of us after following M all these years. Sophie Collier's story was the straw that broke the camel's back but he is too proud to admit it. Am I good or what Rob? Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:58:57 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: Miss Marple Subject: Nah not Rob Message: Miss Marple, Have you lost your marbles? Rob is very adroit at back pedalling when a serious issue concerning his beloved comes up. He thought he had all the bases covered. He didn't. But he's a good dweebie for his master so he'll keep playing. He's like the IBM commercials... definite message to convey. What the heck those (International Bowel Movement) people are chronically constipated. Maybe that's what's wrong with him. L, M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:03:52 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Magi Subject: Nah not Rob Message: I think we still do not know about Rob. And we never will. Nothing he has said has proven that he is a PAM. And no one here can really prove they are NOT a secret Rawat mole. I have tended toward thinking he is a premie who has an exxagerated sense of his own importance. Someone said a serious case of 'inner agya'. But his latest post that it was all a scam is entirely possible too. I used to read a site for new moms where someone pulled an ELABORATE hoax over many months detailing her pregnancy with triplets, their death, and then her own death ( her husband started posting). Hundreds of hormonal pregnant women were crying REAL tears over a nonexistant pregnancy. The only reason this was proven was that the women at the site began to take up a collection for the family to be delivered by the Red Cross. The Red Cross could not find the woman. It was tracked down to a man posting from his workplace at a University. He lost his job apparently. It was an elaborate hoax by someone with some medical knowledge that fooled many people. Including the host of the site who was a nurse. The point is anyone one of us could decide to become a 'Rob'. Most of us who have put in some time with the Guru and are imaginative would be able to pull it off. SO was he lying then or is he lying now? We have no way of knowing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:45:59 (EDT)
From: Ear Email: None To: g's mom Subject: Nah not Rob Message: Clear. 'WE will have no way of Knowing.' - Yes, but WE might find out in the future something that may be able to unmask him. Maybe? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:29:49 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Miss Marple Subject: Saint Rob Message: I don't belive Rob's crap for a second. It wasn't Marianne that pushed him over the edge, it was Anth. That very sincere rejection of the living lord really pissed Rob off. He couldn't keep his premie cool. Blew the PAMness once and for all. By the way, we all should thank Rob. If he is a premie, he did a lot to discredit his fraudulent living master, if he's not, he did a lot to help discredit the fraudulent living master of a dwindling number of others. Thanks, Rob. I do hope you don't go away. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:45:34 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: JW Subject: Duplicitous Rob Message: Hi Joe. I always said this guy was duplicitous, and I was right. I agree with you that we owe him a debt of gratitude. If he is speaking for Maharaji, he's issued threats on the big guy's behalf, and he's told us that EV is keeping close track of the Forum and ex's. Very nice-- typical cult behavior. If Rob is just a premie, he's done a great deal to discredit Maharaji while posting on the Forum. Joke's on you, Rob. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 12:51:04 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Typical premie humor Message: as far as I know, mocking us in a typical way. I've been part of that kind of jokes numerous times. Using fear and threat and joking about it. This is still the main lever at work in EV these days I guess. Poor guys. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:45:27 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: needled & the damage done Message: Yeah, we got needled on this one. However, any way you look at it, regardless of what is or isn't true about Rob, the real damage done was to Maharaji. If Rob simply pulled a fast one on us then it's not our fault. How could we know? As preposterous as his stuff might have sounded our experiences with the Cult indicate that such is possible. Or if Rob was for real it's even worse. Any way you look at it the word Maharaji was used many, many times and it wasn't good stuff about him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:58:56 (EDT)
From: 'Rob' aka Joker Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Suckers Message: Rob. Good work, by the way. You took the bait. No, Marianne, it's you who took the bait. Hook, line, sinker, rod, reel AND fishing boat. Don't worry, you're not alone. Orlando, Catweasel, CD, Barney, KB, Sir Dave, Anth, Katie....did I miss anyone? You stupid, stupid fucks, you believed every word of it, from the 'agya' to the 'anth's a liar'. So who am I? An ugly, overweight, whiskey-swilling, lap dance-loving, kilt-wearing, folk-singing, bearded, CIA-trained, ex-SAS, senior official of Elan Vital? I am laughing so hard the tears are streaming down my face. Didn't it occur to any of you that the whole thing was a monstrous scam? Take a look at my first posts as 'Watcher'. Here's this poor, lonely, out-on-the-fringe premie with no-one to talk to, looking for cyber hugs from nice cuddly people like Gail, Mary M....Then watch the slow metamorphosis into this huge, powerful, EV Chief-of-Staff, ordering premies to hit the road, rubbing shoulders with The Man, getting Marianne wetting her panties with fright.... You know why it worked? Three reasons: First, I created an easily recognisable, well-defined stereotype. One that would instantly form in your mind's eye, and could be built on, bit by bit. Big, gruff, Scotsman, aye, complete with favorite single-malt and Burns quotes (courtesy MS Encarta). Second, you wanted to believe in me, because it gave you a focal point to unleash on. I confirmed all your 'suspicions' about M & EV (not before I'd read up on them first, of course). Third, you kicked Jim out! Absolutely amazing! The one man who almost had me sussed, and who would definately have got to the bottom of the 'agya' thing, was relegated to the dugout! I couldn't believe my luck. Did you not notice that I did the 'everybody out' routine just before Jim was barred, and then, realising he was out, conveniently came back 'with new instructions'? Carpe Deum, laddie! So anyway, there you have it. So why end it here? Well even a seasoned Joker like me realises when a joke's gone too far. Marianne, I hope you've got a sense of humor sugar, I think you've ended up with the most egg on your face. Oh, that form thing? That's a request for a drivers licence, not a passport. Got it from the California DMV website, courtesy of Alta Vista. Anth, never had the pleasure sir, but I hope you're a good sport! Jim, I'd like to shake you by the hand. In our intellectual chess games, you had me licked hand-over-foot. I hope they see how essential your presence here is and let you back! I'm just a bad, bad person. But I had a darn good laugh and now I'll sit quietly and wait to be blocked, unless you could forgive the poor Joker, and wait around to hear the real story - not that you'll ever believe anything else I have to say. For the record: My name isn't Rob Anderson, I'm not Scottish, I do meditate now and then, nobody at Elan Vital knows who the fuck I am and the last & only time I spoke to Maharaji face-to-face was in a darshan-dream back in 1980. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:05:07 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Hey Rob Message: Big fucking deal. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:07:59 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Suckers Message: Thank you for allowing me to expose you, sucker! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:09:31 (EDT)
From: Sucker, I mean Joker Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Suckers Message: Thanks for being a good sport. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:12:07 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Sucker, I mean Joker Subject: Suckers Message: Don't worry --- I know exactly who you are! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:41:26 (EDT)
From: Ross Email: None To: Marianne Subject: ?.............(nt) Message: ojbo Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:28:03 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Sucker, I mean Joker Subject: Suckers Message: Hey! No problem--except you're a lying no-good fucking son-of-a-bitch! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:20:07 (EDT)
From: Ted K. Email: little_cabin@montana.com To: Marianne Subject: Oh, shit! Message: The following is © Just A Joke Okay Rob, you'll be getting a package in the mail in a few days. Don't open it. Just fill up your bathtub and let it soak in there for a few hours. You see we did know more about you than you thought (another joke.) P.S. to Mike: Cancel Operation Scarecrow. Looks like my worries are over and won't be needing your protection. You can keep the retainer fee. P.S. to Rob: Well done, Rob. I wanted to believe, but knew that there was the possibility of a clever hoax. We need to have some rewards to hand out every year. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:11:44 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Suckers Message: Joker, Strange that I don't feel suckered. My reaction to your post was 'So What?'. Of course everyone here understands that every word written here can be fake. I for one, and I hope everyone else, treats every post with that possibility, unless there is other corroborating evidence. For instance, Marianne could be a guy for all I know, but that doesn't reduce the pleasure of exchanging posts with her. Some of these people here I've met, so communications with those people have an added reality. When I meet Marianne, I will no for sure:-) Of course, your confession could be the fake post! All the best, Joker. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:31:57 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Suckers Message: jesus like a seventies nightmare, 'I got the agya' were you also quasi-premie? Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:13:49 (EDT)
From: Runamok Email: None To: Rob Subject: Confessions of St Runamok Message: I confess, you had me bored. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:37:12 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Suckers Message: Don't think you're so clever, Rob. Playing the game you CLAIM you've played isn't very difficult in this type of medium. Anybody with nothing better to do could probably get away with it. The only thing that bothers me is that I think you're too smart for this kind of childishness. I'm not so sure that Marianne didn't strike a nerve and this latest post of your's isn't just a smokescreen. I suspect it is. You're fucked up. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:40:56 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Rob's a shill Message: Jerry: Thank you for your post. I agree with your position completely. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:53:34 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Marianne Subject: No programs?? Horrors :) Message: Hey, there Marianne, Even if EV WERE investigating posters here, which, believe me they aren't about to waste their precious CASH on: 1) Jim Heller and other people here posting under their real names would be dead meat, right?? Think about this. Jim has been posting here saying awful things about Maharaji for a long time. No one has threatened him seriously, that I know about anyway. No one has tried to sue or arrest him that I know of. Same for JW. 2) What are they actually going to DO to them? Not let them come to a program? OH WHAT A LET DOWN!!!!! Horrors. Seriously, this guy Maharaji is lucky HE isn't in jail. He has to lie low and isn't about to do anything to bring any attention to himself. I hope that puts your mind at ease, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:17:04 (EDT)
From: Rob A. Shill Email: None To: VP Subject: Real names Message: Finally, somebody figures it out. Marianne, I was able to get you going for one reason only: YOU POSTED UNDER YOUR OWN NAME, YOU SILLY COW!! Plus, you said you were a lawyer and lived in San Fransisco. I tried 'doing' Jim, look what happens: AltaVista found 202 Web pages. jim Heller - List of near matches related to jim Heller provided by RealNames. 1. No Title American Association of Law Libraries Chapter VIP Program Handbook. A Letter from Jim Heller, AALL President, 1998-1999. Dear Chapter Leader, Welcome to... URL: www.aallnet.org/chapter/chpr/vipman.htm Last modified 21-Oct-98 - page size 32K - in English [ Translate ] 2. The Afternoon Thing With Dave Hire Heller's House. Jim Heller. Saturdays 6:00 am to 1:00 pm. CONTESTS. Burger King Birthday Contest @ 7:40 am. NEWS. Radio News. Headline Sports. WDFM News... URL: www.wdfm.net/jim.html Last modified 6-May-99 - page size 4K - in English [ Translate ] etc etc. There were so many of him, I didn't know which was the real Jim, if any. You came up with just the one. Oh, and you're listed in the San Fransisco Yellow Pages. Look, I'm not as crazy as you think I am, maybe just have a weird sense of humor. But Marianne anybody could have done that. It's Alta Vista fer Chrissake, not some high powered data-mining worm program. hey, but you believe what you want. Call me an asshole, I definately deserve that for making you look stupid, and carry on thinking I work for M., I'll play along with you. Nobody else will, mind, but it'll just be our little secret, OK? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:22:08 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Rob A. Shill Subject: no, you're stupid Message: Rob: I know all the places I can be found, idiot! That's why I am not afraid to post under my real name, dummy! I said so in the post --- being an attorney, you can find out all sorts of stuff about me, including that I know who you are! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:28:17 (EDT)
From: You Know Who Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Truce? Message: Then give me a call so I can say I'm sorry, OK? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:32:44 (EDT)
From: marianne Email: None To: You Know Who Subject: Truce? Message: Don't worry, I'll have my investigator do it for me. Ever heard of Jack Palladino? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:36:35 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: marianne Subject: Truce? Message: Dear Marianne, Rob really got your goat. Don't worry - he's harmless! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 22:30:35 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: Liz Subject: Truce? Message: Liz, Why don't you let us know how the financial system works in your community? You know who Rob is, interesting. Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:49:34 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: marianne Subject: Truce? Message: Nope. But for what it's worth, I am sorry. I thought we were all just having a bit of fun, I obviously went too far and I apologise unreservedly. I'm sorry you were upset, really, and if there was any way I could make it up to you, I would. Please forgive me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:37:18 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Truce? Naw - fuck off! Message: You are such a jerk! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:13:49 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: None To: Gail Subject: Gail Message: Dear Gail, I wish you would email me. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 22:26:40 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: Rob A. Shill Subject: Real names Message: Here's a litmus test to try. Figure out the isp providers and em this list of premies to see what they think of Rob A Shill: alxdberg @ International Bowel Movement .net crc @ lobotomized org pat.dunc @ sympathetic california jan @ free serve the rawat As Mary @ lobotomized org once said so succinctly: 'i should of read your mail first!i simly answered mary ,idon,nt understand your mail so,thanks for letting me know ,we will see her response ,ha ha what a wonderful life. we will be with Him soon we will be awaken again ,if only i could stay awake!!! :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:57:56 (EDT)
From: Rob the Shill Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Rob's a shill Message: Fine Marianne, I guess if you need to save a little bit of face, I deserve to be a shill. I'll be your shill. Yes everyone, Marianne's right. That powerful legal brain of hers has got me got me all figured out. So, place your bets, game on! this is the real deal here folks! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:33:29 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Rob's a shill--Banquo! Message: I think his orginal stuff was for real. This latest garbage is just plain bull. I know that Catweasel is a real person. He phoned me. Rob need not take credit for him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:45:58 (EDT)
From: Still Rob Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Suckers Message: Well shit, Jerry, if you want me to carry on with the charade, fine! I thought the game was over, but I'll milk it some more if you like. Mariane did strike a nerve, sure, but it was my guilty conscience. I didn't realize how believable I'd become. Shit man, I didn't want her to feel threatened, I may be fucked up, but I'm not a goddam terrorist. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:49:27 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Still Rob Subject: Suckers Message: congratulations --- you are! perhaps I'll sue you Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:21:40 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Sumi Message: Whoops. I better get Jim lined up to defend me then. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 23:00:33 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Sumi--Sari--too late Message: The answer is in your e-mail Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:52:24 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Still Rob Subject: Suckers Message: Well, at least we agree that you're fucked up. Are you proud of yourself, warped brain? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:51:48 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: merry pranksters Message: Hey there, I guess it was ok that I didnt tap into the long running story till that thread. So, who are you? Having only been involved with you a little I dont feel like....well, thanks for the exercise but you did keep me up till 2 that night. You are a good actor from what I saw. suckers is a bit of a harsh word though, Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:54:46 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Suckers Message: You didn't have me fooled Rob. I didn't react to anything you said except I said you were an attention-deprived premie looking for the limelight. By gosh did you ever get it! I did think you were Scottish though after mentioning fellow Scot, Bert Jansch. If you're not Scottish then you must be a Brit because Americans haven't had the privilege of listening to him have they? Love, Miss Marple. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:24:33 (EDT)
From: NotRob Email: None To: Liz Subject: Sweeties Message: Not necessarily. Shanachie Records is American, Amazon.com carries his stuff. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:05:14 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: Uhhh... Is that a Pie on your? Message: Oh Dear Rob, Should have posted this a little earlier. I just received two more phone calls of unknown origin. Well, I'm the type that simply calls the police and requests an officer take down all information I can provide. When they ask if I've pissed anyone off lately I reply honestly that there's a chance I ticked off this alias dude Rob posing as a Lieutenant in Rawats cult. Naturally, I don't have your real identity, so I provide them with the information I do have. 1. He claims to work for Prem Pal Singh Rawat who lives in Malibu and goes by the alias Guru Maharaji. 2. Elan Vital is the Organization that Prem Pal Singh Rawat is the figurehead for, so to speak. Well, you know the rest. Corporate Office information provided. 3. Chuckie Cheese of Amtext may be a tad ticked. Sorry dweeb. They're documented complaints. Hey man, don't sweat the little stuff... rawat has attorneys for every conceivable paranoid idea running through his pea brain. Oh well... kind of figured you were a potato peeling private. Could you get the premie-jihads to stop the calls? Regards, Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:19:00 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Magi Subject: My spouse the DA Message: Magi: Glad that you reported the harrassment to the local authorities. I guess that Rob forgot to investigate my husband the federal prosecutor! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 21:55:05 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: Marianne Subject: My spouse the DA Message: Marianne, You're very welcome! Remember Christmas of old? I really couldn't figure out who the wise men were in that one carol! It's the fey thing I guess! Love, Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 22:19:51 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: Rob Subject: Her spouse the DA Message: Shit Rob, I've seen what these guys can do. Good luck. Sincerely, Curly Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:08:42 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Curly Subject: Her spouse the DA Message: Don't worry, Curly! The Stooges have been cleared of everything! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:49:50 (EDT)
From: Curly Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Her spouse the DA Message: I'm not kidding. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 22:45:15 (EDT)
From: ex-webmaster barney Email: None To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: the PRIVATE EMAIL from Rob Message: Since it's all turned out the be a joke I can safely post this email that Rob sent to me while I was the webmaster. Sheesh, and everybody said that I couldn't keep a secret! Email starts here Barney You got to keep this to yourself, mate. The phone call was genuine, from Miss C. in Malibu. M. is concerned that some of us are getting confused and upset on the ex site, not to mention skipping practice! He did not sanction my mission to find out any legal stuff, that was just my own fear. He was pissed about that. I felt bad about saying it too, 'cause I'd begun to really admire and respect Jim and I felt like a louse afterwards. Anyway, I've been 'summoned' so I'm flying to LA tomorrow. Be back in a week. I'll see if he'll let me just be supportive and funny, otherwise I'm out, unless I use a phoney name, but then you'd be pissed. It's different for the others. M. is just strongly suggesting they steer clear for their own good, but they can do as the please, obviously, without fear of recriminations. I feel bad about Gail. I really didn't go to Montreal, and really would have got her in had I gone. Actually her posting that email did make the shit hit the fan, because of my saying I'd sneak her in. I'm gonna get my arse reamed for that. M. cuts me a lot of slack, more than most, but that was going too far. He'll probably make me retrain all the goons. I fucking died when I saw my email in red letters. I hope she's OK. I'll send her a video if you think it would help. I've opened up this email account again, now the smoke's cleared a bit. Just so's you know it's me, remember last time I tried to [barney segment removed.] Rob ps Do me a favour, don't post this one too? Email ends here Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:04:57 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: ex-webmaster barney Subject: the PRIVATE EMAIL from Rob Message: You go EWB! I just love it when the testosterone starts flowin. Your Friend (I mean it!) Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:13:27 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Magi Subject: THANKS, Magi! Message: Thanks. I mean it. Glad you come to the Forum. Now, if we can just get somebody to show up at Manchester with a sign that says 'www.ex-premie.org'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 23:29:40 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: barney Subject: PS Rob! Message: I hope you're a lifer in the cult. You deserve it! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:03:29 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: In your dreams To: 'Rob' aka Joker Subject: I knew you to be shit Message: You never sucked me in ,and you know it Dumbo. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 13:30:19 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Catweasel the real hero! (nt) Message: x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:11:02 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Catweasel the real hero! (nt) Message: You are a hero to me. Have a good day! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 15:34:44 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Catweasel the real hero! Message: Yeah Cat, I suddenly developed a real appreciation for you. Thanks for being who you say you are. Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 16:42:02 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Everyone Subject: M investigates ex's Message: We all have Rob to thank for this information. In a thread below, I posted that I was planning to attend the Manchester event and invited Anth to go along with me. Rob posted some nasty stuff to Anth in 'Journeys End'. I responded to Rob's post under the same title. I told Rob that his participation here was duplicitous. Rob acts as though he is here to engage in light hearted banter, but it should be evident to all of us that after he saw Maharaji and Co. in Malibu, that he was given specific marching orders about the Forum and the ex's who post here. Rob is here to get information and pass it along to Maharaji and EV, make no mistake about it. How do I know this? By reading his post to me entitled 'Endless Journeys'. I knew that Rob and those reading over his shoulder would come unglued and expose their real purpose here if I said I was going to Manchester. They did! Rob's post is an exercise in cult intimidation, full of innuendo and hints that he's been investigating me. Rob says: 'Your experiences, however bad they may seem now, gave your career as a lawyer a good start.' [He's telling me he's read my Journey]. 'Now you are successful, with your own practice.' [He's telling me he has investigated my legal career and my practice]. 'On the board of directors of Women Defenders, no less.' [He put my name into the web and came up with a professional organization in which I was involved]. Rob says that I am using my 'legal skills in this unspoken, but quite obvious, campaign against Maharaji and Elan Vital. Do I need to include some of your previous posts here to back this up? No, I thought not.' [Rob is telling me, and all of us, that he is keeping track of what is said and by whom on the Forum, all for potential future reference.] Rob says: 'I mean, it's one thing to let off steam on the Forum, no one really gets hurt by it, not even Anth, but taking action in the public domain (Channel 4, Manchester Evening News, Daily Mail... ring any bells?) puts a whole new perspective on things.' [This is a thinly veiled threat. It is just fine if we ex's stick to the Forum, but if we go to the press, we might get 'hurt'. In other words, if ex's speak to the press about Maharaji, there could be unnamed consequences.] Rob says: 'So long as all we're doing is bantering on the Forum, we can all take pot shots at each other, kiss and make up, have a laugh, log off and get on with life. Carry the fight over into the real world and it's a whole other ball of wax.' [Here's another implied threat that there will be consequences to me, to other ex's, if we dare discuss our criticisms of Maharaji in the 'real world' --- meaning with the press. What audacity! They still want to control us and we don't even belong anymore!] Most importantly, because I have been out of the cult for over 23 years, it appears that my passport photo has been or is about to be obtained. Ohhh, it's an ugly one! I know this because Rob says: 'Good luck getting into Manchester, by the way. Oh, they don't know what you look like, do they? Hmmmmmm...know what a Form INF 70-D/2 is?' Anyone have any doubt that Rob is a spy for Maharaji and is using the Forum to obtain information about the ex's? It's not just me who is the target, although they'd probably like to get rid of me since I'm a lawyer. EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE MAY BE THE TARGET OF AN INVESTIGATION BY MAHARAJI AND ELAN VITAL. Maybe I'll email this post to the Manchester Evening News, Rob. Good work, by the way. You took the bait. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 17:12:37 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Yes! Message: Marianne, Thanks for standing up to bat! Read my reply to Jean-Michel. Again, I say to Brian/Katie - please consider blocking Rob and unblocking Jim. Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:17:11 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: None To: Magi Subject: Yes! Message: Dear Magi, I may be wrong but I believe if you are blocked you can still read. If Rob was targeting me I'd want to read all he had to say, let him expose himself, it won't stop him from spying anyway. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:39:10 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Robyn Subject: Yes! Message: I may be wrong but I believe if you are blocked you can still read. If Rob was targeting me I'd want to read all he had to say, let him expose himself, it won't stop him from spying anyway. You're not wrong about that at all, Robyn. Personally, I find it hilarious that 'Rob' is the best that Maharaji has available for this oh-so-important 'service'. He's a complete bumbler who can't even begin to keep whatever secrets he's been let in on. Anything that goes in his ears appears to get blurted out his mouth faster than you can say 'pranam'. And his 'wink-wink' telegraphing of his 'in-the-know importance' to other premies who post here is only rivaled in comedy by their own disbelief and personal jealousy. Katie and I have been amused by his posts. And by his emails too, of course.. :) :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:42:44 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: Brian Subject: No! Message: Brian, Well, Rob apparently's got your number. Why don't we turn the forum over to CD, ROB, CAT, NIL, and Orlando? Wouldn't that be amusing and nice? Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 01:09:56 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Magi Subject: To Magi Message: dear Magi - A very close friend reminded me yesterday of the old saying 'No good deed goes unpunished'. Boy, do I EVER feel that way right now. I honestly do not know what to say to you. Have fun on Forum IV. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:40:45 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Brian Subject: Yes! Message: Brian, Hey, You are getting e-mail from Rob?... How fun! I'm jealous. I never should have gotten so out of the loop. Hey, Marianne, Just so that you know, there are spies from EV whose job it is to read here everyday. Can you imagine having to do that and being in a mind control cult? A person just might start to think for themselves...hmmmmmmmmmmm Maji, God, no, not Orlando Take care, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 20:45:30 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: VP Subject: EV spies Message: VP: Thanks for telling me that folks from EV read the Forum. I guess they are getting an eye full today. I hope that they have read the chapters from 'Soul Rush' by Sophia Collier. I bet the PAM's looking over their shoulders didn't count on the spies reading about the true past of the cult! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 17:29:31 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Marianne Subject: M investigates ex's Message: Marianne, Maybe, but they're not very good at it. I have been posting here since January, submitted my journey under my real name in March or April, I have sent M, via his site, quoting my name and address, questions which he hasn't answered, cancelled my regular payments from my bank, and generally made it clear to one and all that I am anti-M, and EV STILL sends me invitations to events!! John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 17:36:28 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: JHB Subject: Manchester Message: John: Since Rob says I can't go arm in arm with Anth to Manchester, will you go with me? You have a written invitation! Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 17:49:35 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Manchester Message: Marianne, I've always wanted to go arm in arm with someone called Marianne ever since I fell in love with Leonard Cohen's first album including the song 'So Long Marianne', but sadly I'll be in Toronto. Maybe next time. Do you live in the UK? John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:10:27 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: JHB Subject: Manchester Message: John: You've pulled my heart strings --- Leonard Cohen. OF course, that song was written for me! No, I live in San Francisco, but I am going to teach a course at the University College Cork Law School next year for 4 months --- in Ireland. I'm looking forward to meeting all you wry, out of control Brits, if not this week, then soon! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 19:03:23 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: brauns@dircon.co.uk To: Marianne Subject: London Event Message: Marianne, I look forward to meeting you, although it's still a little journey over from Cork. Email me when you land. All the best, John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 17:57:53 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Marianne Subject: M investigates ex's Message: Marianne, Duplicitous? Rob? As in cunning and deceptive? Not Rob. Don't you remember when he assured us that he was here representing only himself? I remember telling him that I believed him and he thanked me. So, how could Rob be duplicitous? He'd have to be more than that. He'd have to be an outright liar. But then, he'd be lying for his master. And that's good. Right? Right, Rob? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:34:31 (EDT)
From: barney and Sting Email: None To: Rob Subject: I'll be watching you! Message: Rob. I just got an email from you that said this: Got my eye on you! [Unable to display image] Now, you'll just have to get in line, bub. I've already got lots of people watching me and I doubt that they'd appreciate if you got in their way, especially the space aliens who have implanted this thing in my butt. What concerns me the most was the image that was unable to be displayed as I am very visually inclined if you know what I mean. So, how about re-sending that image? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 18:40:48 (EDT)
From: Magi Email: None To: barney and Sting Subject: Cajones Message: Barney, I take it back... you've got cajones! Rob, well what can one say about a man who can't get his wife off? 'Specially a Scot. Magi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |