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From: Jun 28, 1999 |
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Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:09:26 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Rob Subject: OH ROB!!! Message: Rob: We have not communicated much. I see from the thread below that you were 'ordered' to leave this site, and others were given strong suggestions to do the same. You followed this up with the comment that you had soul searching to do. Could you elaborate on these comments? What is the nature of your soul searching? Does it bother you that you were ordered not to post here anymore? Your continued posts demonstrate that you have decided to ignore the order. Please tell us why. Do you think that M or Elan Vital have the right to issue such orders to you or premies? I am genuinely interested in your answer. Thanks. Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:31:47 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Marianne Subject: OH MARIANNE!!! Message: Too much, too soon. Let's just say the knee-jerk reactions of the Lieutenants have been moderated by the General, and leave it at that for now. Now I have a class to attend. Later. R. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 05:49:11 (EDT)
From: Susannah Email: None To: Rob Subject: ANTS Message: ROB, By jove you've solved our problem. Ex-es... for the record please note Robs reference to the General. There are no Premie PLANTS just ANTS. Welcome back Rob. Hope you find some tasty crumbs. Susannah Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:36:00 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Marianne Subject: OH ROB!!! Message: Hi Marianne. It would be great to know what premies think about this order/strong suggestion. I guess it would be a good guage of the level of programming. By the way, I have a very hot video for you. The weekend got away from me, it was so beautiful. It was so beautiful, I think I experienced THAT love while watching THAT parade. Also got a little sunburned in a couple of inappropriate places. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 22:52:09 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: JW Subject: Hi Joe Message: I didn't attend the parade this year, but the reports are wonderful. I love that Willie Brown was attended by a hoard of Tinky Winkies at the main stage the day before the parade. The sun burn is a badge of honor. Use generous amounts of aloe vera. I'm sure your sweetie would be glad to apply it! I am also very, very happy to see that Jim Hormel was finally sworn in as the Ambassador to Luxemborg. Well deserved. As for Rob, the fact that he continues to post, and to use his name when he does so, we're being given --- as are the Powers That Be in EV --- a hint at some disaffection, it seems. His post to me about the general versus the lieutenants is cryptic. I am guessing here, of course, but it sounds like the same old stuff we've known for years. The 'thought police' are trying to control the premies. When that hammer comes down (pun intended), it is a major drip for those to whom it is directed or who witness it. Rob seems to have been affected and is in the process of sorting out how he really feels. Good for him. And good for him for telling us. Are there any other premies or aspirants out there who are bothered by the directive not to post on the Forum? Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 23:33:53 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Hi Joe Message: I'm sure your sweetie would be glad to apply it! I am also very, very happy to see that Jim Hormel was finally sworn in as the Ambassador to Luxemborg. Well deserved. Yes, the people who brought us SPAM are now representing us in Europe. Jesse Helms should be forced to eat SPAM for the rest of his life. He is truly a retrograde human being. I guess Clinton does exhibit some backbone once in a awhile. I thought the Examiner did a good thing putting Hormel's swearing in on the front page. He, his partner holding the bible, and Madeline Albright. What a trio. In the parade, Willie wore his rainbow jacket and the Tinky Winkies were everywhere. We can thank Jerry Falwell for that! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:35:42 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: Server Population 370000 T's To: JW Subject: Oh bother ,its BULLSHIT!!! Message: The only reference to'orders' and 'strong suggestions' are to be found on this site.This whole episode is pure fantasy on the part of some very creative people. You may say and do what you like here,but the previous references to orders and the like are just mischief and mis-information.Perhaps Mr Drek and his many alter-egos could find another form of entertainment.Incidentally,I have refrained from posting simply because this site had become to aggressive and intense.And Rob ,if your for real,contact me.Same goes for the illusive 'no-one' Vale to Jim,I hope the level of communication now rises above the ugly farce of lower court cross examination. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 12:36:34 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Why Would Rob Lie? Message: Is this what you are suggesting? As for Rob being the alter-ego of somebody else, I believe our webmaster confirmed sometime ago, that Rob is, indeed, a separate and distinct person from anybody else posting here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 15:41:42 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: JW Subject: Again, Rob is Rob Message: Again, Roger Drek is not Rob. Roger Drek is a character I created that is a huckster for his own webpage. Drek is usually the only other character I post as. Other characters are very temporary and are used for comedy purposes or when I'm revealing details about myself that I do not want linked to myself. From what I could see behind the scenes when I had that POWER Rob was Rob. Now, who Rob really is I cannot say. Is he trying to pull a fast one? We'll never know. Actually, it might be possible to verify that he was in California when he said he was in California. As for myself I believe that Rob is legitmate. Rob emailed me a number of times when I was the evil webmaster supreme. His emails were forthright and honest. Rob did send me a very juicy email that discussed the banning agya, which I did not reveal at his request (yes, I can be trusted.) For the most part Rob has slowly revealed most of that information here on the Forum. Finally, I respect Rob as a person even though that lap dancing thing is something I don't understand ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 03:34:24 (EDT)
From: not Email: None To: barney Subject: Again, Rob is Rob Message: 'it might be possible to verify that he was in California' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:24:38 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: barney Subject: Rob Rob Rob Message: I think Rob was just a Premie crying out for attention like the rest of us. Being a premie kind of makes you that way. You never get validated by the one person you are brainwashed into thinking you want validation from. Rob if you are listening - give it up. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:57:23 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: barney Subject: Again, Rob is Rob Message: Barney I've reopened my previous email account, if you ever want to contact me direct. Rob Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:52:22 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: contact Message: Cat. Today I'll be at the hotel where M. has been for the past 3 weeks. I assume you will know where that is, being as you are so well informed? Call the lobby and have them page me. Rob. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:56:41 (EDT)
From: Maharaji Email: None To: Rob Subject: Against Agya Message: Rob, I thought I told you before. Stop posting on this forum. You Bongo. Maharaji Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:59:02 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Maharaji Subject: Bogus Message: Now I know that isn't you, because I'm looking right at you and you ain't typing!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 17:02:43 (EDT)
From: Maharaji Email: None To: Rob Subject: Bogus Message: Don't you know I'm everywhere anytime. Bongo - you are black-listed. Good luck getting darshan! Maharaji Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 17:05:33 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Maharaji Subject: Bogus Message: Guess my luck is in, because I'm getting it right now. Oops, think I've been busted. Gotta go now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 17:19:37 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: contact Message: BTW last name is Anderson. I think the hotel would be amused when you tell them the call is from Catweasel. Do you have another name? Why are you afraid to tell us all who you are? Rob Anderson Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 20:40:16 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Drunken Master Message: A recent meeting with TD, who is a very recent premie and ex, has me curious about a few aspects of M's gameplan these days. Can anybody answer these questions? Does Maharaji still get drunk a lot? It was one of his favourite pastimes between the mid 70s and mid 80s. Does he still have premies standing on a tarmac all night in the freezing cold to watch over his plane? Does he still eat copious amounts of iceceam? Where is Hansi these days? Is he still into puerile, sexist, obscene, and anal retentive jokes? Does he still have unpaid premies sitting or standing at the gates or on the periphery of his residences in case some crazed devotee tries to get in to get a glimpse of him, or even worse, wants to ask him a serious question about life or knowledge? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 20:46:38 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: chr Subject: Drunken Master Message: anal retentive jokes? You mean does he joke about being fastidious, compulsive, and with an obsessive desire for cleanliness? Or do you mean scatological jokes? Just wondered. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 20:56:51 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: JW Subject: Drunken Master Message: Hi Joe, I guess I needed to be clearer- I was referring to the scatological kind. However anal retentive would seem to cover M on many levels, including the others you mentioned. Perhaps he's now reached some sort of adolescent stage, and this is what he means by 'evolving'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:01:33 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: chr Subject: Drunken Master Message: Can you, without losing your dinner, tell us some of the jokes M used to tell? By the way, Dennis Murphy, who was M's cook for awhile, told me Maharaji also told homophobic jokes. Any recollection with that? Did you ever actually see him drunk? Did anyone, any premie, try to explain-away his drinking? Did Maharaji ever talk to you? Did he ever thank you for freezing on the tarmac for his plane, etc.? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:20:50 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: JW Subject: Drunken Master Message: I heard him and saw him drunk. No , we were never thanked- basically it was us who thanked him for such a wonderful opportunity to serve him. I can't remember specific jokes offhand-just that they were very sexist with a liberal dosing of 'shit', 'arse', 'cunt', 'fuck', 'tits' etc. This always worried me more than the drinking- I can understand why now, but at the time I put it in the too hard basket and assumed M had his reasons. It was only rarely that I got to hear them first hand . Some of the premies close to M used to make a point of seeking out dirty jokes as a means to get his attention. The drinking was especially prevelant during the Deca days. Maybe that was why he was so moody and unpredictable then-it all fits the profile of a drinker with a problem. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:28:18 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: chr Subject: Drunken Master Message: Yes, he was REALLY tempermental during the DECA days. He seemed freaked out and very frustrated much of the time, and he really took it out on some of the premies. When I saw it, I was always so grateful it wasn't me who was his victim. He was really giving fire and brimstone satsang at that time, too, I recall especially at Hans Jayanti in Orlando in 1979. Maybe this is an explanation about the 'I Am God' period -- He was just too drunk and didn't know what he was doing. I have heard that around the DECA time, around 1980, in addition to the drinking, that was when he began the affairs with premie women. Maybe that got him drinking too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:30:07 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: chr Subject: Drunken Master Message: So, what was Maharaji like when he was drunk? I mean, did you see him falling down, drunk? Did he get loud, slur his words, etc? Did he ever vomit on himself? Details, details, please! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 22:35:39 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: JW Subject: Drunken Master Message: Yes he was loud-that squeaky Indian/American voice could be heard at parties above the rest. I was never one of the select few who were inside during parties, so most of the time I just heard him. A couple of times I saw him stagger outside- but nothing as dramatic as throwing up on himself. I was never aware of the affairs and am still waiting on real confirmation,although I was aware that there were marriage difficulties. Maharaji's behaviuor was within the realms of normality for a regular human being. However he was claiming to be much more than that-what we thought at the time was his divine lila was little more than the reactive behaviour of a prima donna who married far too young and lacked the maturity, understanding and knowhow to guide a mass of people who had become dependent on him. I wonder if he still yells and screams at premies like he did in the deca days? He could be very unpleasant . I've heard that the craziness has still been around at his more recent projects such as the new Malibu house and other planes. It's interesting looking back and it shows how much a part of the cult we all were. The craziness was always blamed on premies. M was never questioned and yet here he was getting drunk, losing his temper regularly and behaving in far more erratic and crazy ways than most of his premies. Some people got really hurt at that time. One guy I knew had hoped for years to be directly serving M. After a time of being around him at the residence doing security and various other situations, he packed his bags and left. He told me that M was a dark, lonely, disturbed, and deluded individual. A shadow passed over me at the time because I knew deep down somewhere I had thought and felt the same things. I pushed it aside but it disturbed me more than I let on. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 09:54:16 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: chr Subject: Drunken Master Message: Yes he was loud-that squeaky Indian/American voice could be heard at parties above the rest. You poor guy. To even have such a horrible memory in your brain must be hell. I can still hear Maharaji ranting, in squeaky, really bad, English, about nothing in particular, just venting his emotional problems on his devotees. A couple of times I saw him stagger outside- but nothing as dramatic as throwing up on himself. What a sight! I have heard from others about the 'staggering' and about how loud he got when he got drunk. I mean, getting drunk is no sin, but Maharaji hid all that from the vast majority of his premies, while at the same time mandating that those thousands of ashram residents never get near a beer. I was never aware of the affairs and am still waiting on real confirmation,although I was aware that there were marriage difficulties. I was never aware of the affairs either. That was another thing he tried to hide really well. But since I left the cult, I have heard too many reports from very reliable sources that the affairs, many affairs, and one long-term affair with Monica Lewis in particular, actually did occur. In retrospect, I recall when I was coordinator in Miami, many reports that Maharaji was pissed of most of the time around 1979-1980 or so, during the plane project, partly because there was never enough millions of dollars for him to get what he wanted, but he marriage difficulties probably contributed to that. I wonder if he still yells and screams at premies like he did in the deca days? He could be very unpleasant . Unpleasant really understates it. In deca days he screamed at premies, I think, because he knew he could get away with it. Those ashramites would take anything and ask for more. But I have also heard that if he wants/needs something from someone, he could be very charming. For example, premies with lots of money, which he wanted, would get all kinds of special treatment. But those poor drone workers at Deca were expendable. The guy really is a worm. One guy I knew had hoped for years to be directly serving M. After a time of being around him at the residence doing security and various other situations, he packed his bags and left. He told me that M was a dark, lonely, disturbed, and deluded individual. I hope that guy got some professional help. That whole experience must have been very damaging. I understand that quite a number of premies who 'served' Maharaji closely got chewed up and left under fairly unpleasant circumstances. I'm amazed, however, that more of those people aren't here speaking out. Maybe they are still traumatized. I also relate to what you said about 'pushing aside' evidence that Maharaji was not worthy of being followed or devoted to. I can remember seeing Maharaji devestate and be excessively cruel to premies, and yet I repressed my normal reaction, the reaction I would have to any other human being who I saw do that, which would be to reject him, tell him off, and never have anything to do with him. But Maharaji, because he had successfully deluded so many into thinking he was god and exempt from the normal requirements of adult human beings, I also set it aside, at least I did that for a number of years. But it did eat away at me, and it eventually came to the surface and I was able to get away. That, chr, for all your comments. I think these kinds of frank discussions about 'Maharaji the person,' is very important and very helpful in bursting the false image so many premies have of him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:30:22 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: chr & JW Subject: Drunken Master Message: I really enjoy your posts as PAMS. I really wish we could get some recent Pams to post on here. That would be really enlightening. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 17:17:00 (EDT)
From: RT tells a naughty Email: omm To: JW Subject: Master Jokes: one I heard Message: A premie at Long Beach told me he heard M tell this in 1997: A horny guy goes in to a brothel for relief, but has only $50. The madam says 'our girls are $100, but for $50 you can have 'The Penguin' done to you.' 'OK' he says, 'I'll try it.' He goes to a room and a beautiful girl is sitting on the bed. 'OK' she commands, 'drop your pants.' He does so. Ok. 'take it out' which he does. She proceeds to go to work, doing the Monica harmonica, when suddenly - just nearing climax - she gets up and walks out of the room. 'Hey,' the guys yells, HOPPING, 'Come back here! + You are supposed to hop at the punchline. oh well... You can't see me do that. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 17:36:00 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: RT tells a naughty Subject: Master Jokester Message: RT: That's real Lord of the Universe material, isn't it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 18:09:27 (EDT)
From: RT Email: omm To: Marianne Subject: Master Jokester 2 Message: Yeah, symbolic.. I don't want to go there! RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 10:03:51 (EDT)
From: Suzanne Email: None To: RT tells a naughty Subject: Master: Sick Jokester Message: What a sickening, gross individual, my former lord and master is. When he told that joke, somebody should have slapped his chubby face. If people around him started letting him have it, maybe he would have some clue about how a decent adult is supposed to act. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 09:06:09 (EDT)
From: no heels Email: None To: Suzanne Subject: Master: Sick Jokester Message: No offense, but I disagree that a 'decent human being' would go around slapping people's faces for telling dirty jokes. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 10:30:28 (EDT)
From: Suzanne Email: None To: no heels Subject: Master: Sick Jokester Message: No offense either, but sometimes slapping his fat face might be just what he needs, for his own damn good. I notice you have no comment on the appropriateness of someone who purports to be some kind of an inspirational leader, telling offensive, hateful jokes. Maybe you need your face slapped, too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:27:43 (EDT)
From: no heels Email: None To: Suzanne Subject: To Suzanne re face slapping Message: I have absolutely no respect for someone who thinks face slapping is appropriate in this matter. I suppose your own parents abused you, and God help your kids if you have any. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 06, 1999 at 12:48:13 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: no heels Subject: To no heels re having a life Message: Get a life heels. I used 'face slapping' as a mataphor, but sometimes it is entirely appropriate. I notice once again that you have no comment on Maharaji's offensive and juvenile behavior/comments, for which I really think he does deserve to have his face slapped. By the way, I do not believe in ever hitting children for any reason, but for an adult who is acting like a spoiled, insensitive child, as Maharaji was in this case, I would make an exception. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:51:04 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: no heels Subject: The nose breaker Message: What do you think about m breaking Gary Gerrard's witha stick? When gary showed some discomfort, m said 'Well, would you rather I didn't touch you'.....I'm sure Gary felt sufficiently guilty for not realizing the honour he had of being 'touched' by The Lord/ Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 00:54:58 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Jethro Subject: The nose breaker -should read Message: What do you think about m breaking Gary Gerrard's nose with a stick? When gary showed some discomfort, m said 'Well, would you rather I didn't touch you'.....I'm sure Gary felt sufficiently guilty for not realizing the honour he had of being 'touched' by The Lord. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 21:06:49 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: JW Subject: Drunken Master ps.. Message: Ijust reread my my post above-it sounds like I'm saying that Hansi was into the jokes. I was supposed to refer to M. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:32:35 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: chr & JW Subject: Drunken Master ps.. Message: I really enjoy your posts as PAMS. It would be really interesting if we could get some recent PAMS to post their experiences around M. That would be really enlightening. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 05:19:57 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: chr Subject: security at the Rez Message: Ah, this is the stuff that I came to the Forum for way back when - the dirt, the real details about The Man. At the Malibu residence up Trancas Canyon there is a spur off the main road that goes to the Rez. It's probably labeled as 'Private Driveway' and is between 50 and 100 yards (or meters) long. Getting closer at the first perimeter is a hurricane fence on wheel and motorized that rolls back and forth across the driveway. The gate is opened by the security guard within the Guard Shack. The next perimeter is the 12 foot (4 meter) main wooden gate that is adorned with a silver of chromed swan. Beyond that gate is the upper level garage and car circle. Between the outer perimeter gate and the inner perimeter is the Helo pad. I don't know if they got guns and that is another topic altogether that we don't want to get in. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 05:56:46 (EDT)
From: Susannah Email: None To: barney Subject: security at the Rez Message: Interesting Barney. I wonder if Rawat has crossed the virtual with the real world? Sounds like a dangerous place to be .... now... let me check out if anyplace in Doom matches this description;-) Susannah Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 19:06:22 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: barney Subject: security at the Rez Message: Well they certainly didn't have guns in the past. Does anybody know anymore about the set-up these days? Does he still have premies sitting at gates all night, or have they been replaced with video surveillance? Who does plane security? Last time I was involved, the security were travelling on the plane and staying on it at the airport. There had been too much hassle with airport authorities for M to continue with his little, private, premie security companies. I'm still trying to think of the details of some of his jokes-we're talking between 17 and 22 years ago. It was all a bit pathetic-everybody ,including me, laughed on cue. I often heard them second hand from the people around him, but every now and then I was truly blessed to be in the right place at the right time and within earshot of the Lord coming forth with his divine smut. The jokes were rarely funny and sometimes they were simply obnoxious. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 19:57:03 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: chr Subject: Re: security at the Rez Message: Well they certainly didn't have guns in the past. Well they may not have had guns in the past at the rez, but at Wembley in 1977 a very good friend of mine, who had worked professionally in the security business, swears that he saw a premie security guy with a gun. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 00:47:37 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: JHB Subject: Re: security at the Rez Message: Don't know if they have all night security at the Rez. Just saw the guard shack and the gates. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 15:44:09 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: chr Subject: Hansi DID tell gay jokes Message: at the 15th year anniversary of rawat coming to enslave the west, therer was an program in Miami. I have an audience tape of rawat introduceing hansi so that hansi caould tell the following joke to the whole assembled premie audience. I havent played the tape in years but this is pretty close to what he said. Hansi: there were 3 faggots and they died and went to the pearly gates and at the gate they were told 'you were bad so I have to melt your dicks off' he grabbed the first guy and melted his dick and then the next guy but when he grabbed the third guys dick it wouldn't melt, he said 'what's going on? your dick wont melt?' the guy said 'melts in your mouth, not in your hand'. I got the tape and it was just about exactly the above. This was at the sit down dinner event at the miami civic center. appologies at it's offensive nature but it is more rawat history. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:35:21 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: KB Subject: Hansi DID tell gay jokes Message: Swear on the Bible or Bhagadvadgita that this is true? Incredible!! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 16:36:57 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: KB Subject: Hansi DID tell gay jokes Message: KB Swear on the Bible or Bhagavadgita that this is true? Incredible!! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 17:31:45 (EDT)
From: Way Email: None To: KB Subject: Hansi DID tell gay jokes Message: KB - do you have that tape available for check-out?!? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 17:32:35 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: KB Subject: He did it in NY, too! Message: I wasn't there, but a premie who was (at this dinner affair) relayed the story of Hansi getting up and telling a really gross joke. At this time, the kid was about 12 years old. I think he was just trying to piss off the old man by embarassing him in front of his 'friends'. That's the only reason I can think of. I doubt M would put him up to it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 19:23:24 (EDT)
From: dv Email: None To: KB Subject: I REMEMBER THAT, AND Message: what got me was a guy stood up in a program earlier in the event and confronted m with a cuss word, and m got all righteous and said 'How dare you speak like that '.The hypocrasy was delightful. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 13:43:28 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: KB Subject: Hansi DID tell gay jokes Message: I would like to hear that tape, too. Did Maharaji look embarrassed at Hansi's joke, or he he laugh too? Did the premies laugh? Were people shocked that Hansi, the son of the living lord, has such a filthy mouth? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:17:13 (EDT)
From: KB Email: bburke@rocketmail.com To: JW Subject: mailbag Message: ok JW, here is my email. I will send it to you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 11:09:31 (EDT)
From: Doggett Email: None To: KB Subject: Hansi DID tell gay jokes Message: I'll have to hire this kid. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:00:20 (EDT)
From: Susannah Email: None To: chr Subject: Allow me to explain... Message: Chr & JW, Rawat was given only two choices when he came to the west and married: 1. A bottle in front of him 2. A frontal lobotomy Me, I'd choose a bottle in front of me over a frontal lobotomy any day. So we'll concede him this drinking as a respite! Susannah Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 16:18:44 (EDT)
From: Seymour Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Mike won't like this-guns(ott) Message: Hello guys and gals, Treating myself to a rare few days on the internet I was intrigued by the recent argument on the forum about guns and the right to own them. Being a Brit who has taken up a new religion which obliged me to take a vow of cowardice I tend to not want to even know about guns and the like. However I tend to lean on the side of one of your fellows across the pond, Michael Moore. He recently did a programme( which Bravo refused to show) about the Columbine tragedy - 'Teen Sniper School' and this is what he has to say about the gun laws in the USA... Unfortunately, because we still refuse to deal with this gun issue in a civilized way, there will continue to be more Columbines in this country. In fact, there is a 'Columbine' that happens every day in this country. Thirteen kids under the age of 19 are killed every single day in America by guns. Again, to our foreign viewers, it's hard for me to explain our wacky attitude about guns. After the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they started to get freaked out that the Brits might return, so they wrote an amendment saying we all had a right to have a musket in our cabins. That turned out not to be not such a bad idea 'cause the Brits did return in 1812 (thanks guys), but ever since then, the Second Amendment has been more like the Second Commandment. It made a lot of sense then; it makes no sense now. The potential foreign invaders or a possible rogue American government we are supposed to be ready to fight with our pistols and shotguns now all have atomic bombs and sonic jet fighters -- and there ain't nothin' I can keep in my garage that's going to fend off that kind of firepower. Or let's look at it another way. I would assume that even most gun nuts in America would not subscribe to the belief that every American has a right to own weapons-grade plutonium. But why shouldn't we? Isn't that the modern version of the 1776 musket? The reason we are all willing to give up our God-given right to weapons-grade plutonium is that we feel it's better to be denied that right than to risk what might happen when one or two kooks decideto blow up Des Moines with their Constitutionally-protected plutonium.The same type of survival instinct leads us also to accept the abandonment of ourFourth Amendment rights when we walk through the metal detector at the airport.Even the most liberally-minded say go ahead and x-ray my bags and wave thatmagic wand over my crotch CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE BLOWN TO KINGDOM COME!To those who say it isn't the guns causing all this tragedy, but, rather, that it's Hollywood, rock and roll, the internet and the disinterested and absentee suburban parents who fail to notice the 30 pipe bombs Junior is building in the bedroom, let me point out that the Brits watch the same exact violent movies, the same violent TV shows, play the same violent video games, listen to the same dark Goth music, have access same sick internet addresses and have the same number of lousy parents raising the same number of psychotic kids in the same kind of morally-corrupt society. Last year, in a nation of over 50 million people, with strict guns laws, there was a total of 30 handgun murders in Great Britain.Thirty. I hate to say it folks, but it's the guns. Funny how our former masters get to have the last laugh after they sent us down this insaneroad. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 17:04:56 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Seymour Subject: Mike won't like this-guns(ott) Message: Thank you Seymour. I was intending to drop this issue, but I was unable to respond to one of Mike's post now in the inactive that was a bit vitriolic. By way of background, after asking over and over, Mike found ONE district court case that says something about the right to bear arms being constitutionally protected. He could not find a circuit or supreme court case, and I found several that say the direct opposite. My point was that in a lower court, a judge can say a whole lot of things. It wasn't the holding of the case and it isn't the law. I stand by my argument that no federal court case deciding on the second amendment has ever upheld the NRA's position that there is a constitutional right to bear arms outside the constext of a 'well regulated' (interpreted by the courts to be the National Guard, militia). That's why the NRA puts so many millions into elections, it knows it has to stick with the legislatures, because there isn't any constitional protection for gun ownership, and it hasn't been interpreted that way since the Supreme Court's Miller decision in 1939. The verdugo case DID address the issue of the 'people' in ALL the amendments. Make, you miss the crucial point that the case wasn't deciding the right to bear arms. It wasn't a second amendment case. Miller and others ARE second amendment cases. If you look at the historical meaning of 'well-regulated,' it MEANT WELL TRAINED!!! Additionally, this case is a LATER decision than ANY that you quote. I know this is your opinion, but the courts disagree with you. Mike, the supreme court IS the law. What they say goes unless you amend the constitution. Doesn't matter that the case you cite is LATER, the fact is it was LOWER. Again, wasn't even a CIRCUIT court, let alone the supreme court. 'U.S. v. Nelson, 859 F.2d 1318 (8th Cir. 1988):, 'the courts have analyzed the Second Amendment purely in terms of protecting state militias, rather than individual rights.'' First, this statement is historically incorrect. Any number of 1800's decisions were made, PARTICULARLY the decision to permit freed slaves to keep and bear arms as an INDIVIDUAL right. Sorry, THIS decision doesn't win the quarter.... it's not valid (BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS) Bullshit, Mike. The case stands and was never overrulled. It was a curcuit court reviewing what the courts have said about the Second Amendment. I think it's more valid than some district court, and more valid than you personal opinion, at least as far as interpreting the law is concerned. Same goes for Burger, who is no liberal, appointed by Nixon. One more thing.... if the 1939 decision is valid, why can I legally buy a 'machine gun?' All it takes is a background check and a check for a 200 dollar tax to uncle sam. In fact, I DID! Well, in most states, you can't Mike. Since 1986, it's illegal to buy a machine gun in most states. And those laws have been upheld by the courts because there is NO absolute right in the constitution to own arms, Mike, there just isn't. Mike, if what you are saying is correct, how can ANY gun control laws be legal? And yet they are upheld all the time. Most states and even the federal government now have at least some gun control laws, banning assault weapons, etc. And yet, as described in the Fresno Rifle case, they have been UPHELD by the courts. If there is an absolute right to gun ownership like you say, how could they be? I'm am not insulting you, Mike. I disagree with you and I think you are flat wrong on the constitutional issue, that's all. ? I've got the entire document.... you apparently don't or didn't take the time to read it No, I didn't read it. Mike, district court decisions are not usually even published. They only apply to the case at hand and you can't use them as controlling law or cite them in any other case. Why don't you e-mail it to me, I'd love to read it. I don't know what the case was about, but since higher courts have already ruled otherwise, it's incorrect to rely on it, no matter what it says, as anything more than a lower court judge's opinion of something. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 19:10:36 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: JW Subject: Did you read that article? Message: Joe, Did you read that New Republic article yet? It's on their website (current issue). Completely on point. Please do. You, too, Mike. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 19:12:54 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Mike Subject: U.S. Emerson (Lexis 8987) Message: Mike, I was able to find a copy of the Emerson decision you mentioned. It was decided on BOTH the second and fifth amendments. It is a case about a guy whose wife filed for divorce and got a restraining order against him. Because he had apparently threatened his wife's life, the restraining order apparently meant that he was subject to criminal prosecution for possessing a firearm under federal law. The judge said that the law violated the second and fifth amendments and he gave his opinion that the second amendment provides an individual right to bear arms. He did indeed say that, that's right. But, Mike, as I said, this is just a district court. I would also point out the following case decided just two weeks ago that goes against the Emerson case and agrees with the (HIGHER) circuit courts: U.S. v. Henson, First District Court, June 14, 1999. In this case, the defendant ATTACHED a copy of the EMERSON case, which by now, because of it's uniqueness is quite well-known, at least by anyone who reads NRA publications, because he said it meant that he shouldn't be convicted of violating federal law for having a firearm in violation of a restraining order. Here's what the court said: Defendant's reliance on EMERSON is misplaced. Our Court of Appeals (circuit court) has held consistently that the Second Amendment confers a collective, rather than an individual, right to keep and bear arms. Love v. Perersack, (stating 'the [Second] amendment does not confer an absolute individual right to bear any type of firearm.') see also U.S. v. Johnson, U.S. v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174, (1939) (stating that the Second Amendment only confers a collective right of keeping and bearing arms must bear a 'reasonable relationshiop to the preservation of a well-regulated militia.') Notice the Miller cite, Mike. Also, Mike, you better write to that judge who wrote the Emerson decision. He quoted the second amendment the way I have always seen it: with a COMMA, and NOT a SEMI-COLON. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 12:46:38 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Krishna or Corny Card? Message: Hi Everybody, When I joined Divine Light Mission, in 1973, everyone had a common aim, ideal and philosophy. The Lord was on the planet, he was revealing Knowledge of God to people. 'Get initiated, practice mediation, go to satsang and serve the Master and all will be bliss.' He’d come on stage dressed as Krishna, get crowned, sit on his throne and we’d all sing hymns to him. Everyone knew the Lord had come. Things changed. There was the flirting with Maharaji being a ‘Humanitarian World Leader’ in the late 70s. There was the abandonment of outward signs of Hinduism, closing ashrams, no more Arti trays, no more Krishna crown in the West. Nowadays I think everything is presented quite blandly, via video, as some kind of waterfally, flowers and sunsets peaceful kind of thing. A bit like those corny christian greetings cards with a photo and glib meaningful message on the front. So, Maharaji, Knowledge and the organisation around it, have been presented in lots of different and conflicting ways. However, it’s not like premies thought, ‘He used to be Krishna, but we all made a mistake, he’s really a humanitarian world leader. Woops, got it wrong again, he’s now a corny christian greeting card type of character. People who thought he was Krishna in the early 70s still think he’s Krishna. This includes people around Maharaji, the instructors and residence staff. So what we have is an organisation with a public face and a hidden agenda. Premies, if prodded, will admit that their main purpose is to serve their Master and ‘practice knowledge’ . We also have an organisation that didn’t fulfil the early promises of peace, bliss, understanding, realisation and a backstage pass for the Kingdom of Heaven. The Lion didn’t get laid by the lamb, and, to Mike’s great joy, all the guns weren’t melted down and made into arti trays. So, we’re left with a cult of contradictions and confused conscripts. The only way it can be explained is by multiplying everything by infinity to make it all equal- ‘Each person has an individual relationship with him.’ ‘He’s inside everyone.’ ‘He’s your true self’. ‘He’s a teacher.’ ‘He’s a reflection of yourself’. There’s a big gap in credibility here, which I think has a lot to do with why the cult is shrinking, and membership in Europe and the US is declining. If he is the Lord of the Universe, how come nobody ever talks about it any more. If he’s not, how come nobody clears up the mistaken, belief that he is? Anth Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 14:34:58 (EDT)
From: RT Email: omm To: AJW Subject: Krishna Krisps or Corny Flake? Message: Hi, I raised issue this with a Premie, an organizer of video events, a year ago. He reduced any arguments about M as 'being your relationship with Him that matters, not the endless mind opinions about PPSR' Nebulous, nebulous, why for art thou nebulous? ...because mystery pays! RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 15:48:35 (EDT)
From: seymour Email: None To: RT Subject: Krishna Krisps or Corny Flake? Message: Everyone knew the Lord had come... ‘Humanitarian World Leader’.. People who thought he was Krishna in the early 70s still think he’s Krishna... Hi Anth, All too true. I too went through those phases, first being skeptical, then drawn in to the devotion and then feeling wonderful that I was part of an organisation devoted to saving the world from suffering. The DUO video had me blissed out even more than I had experienced previously. It was such a good feeling being part of an organisation that had as a leader the one person/god that was wise enough to see us through. What a come down to realise that it was all a big mistake. At least I have stopped blaming my lack of good judgement - I now know that it was all due to my inherited 'mug' gene. Anyhow, I hope that you had a good time at Glastonbury. I watched it on the telly and enjoyed Skunk Anansie, Susan Vega, Orbital and a few others ( even Lonnie Donnegan) but on the whole I didn't enjoy it as much as some previous festivals. I guess you had to be there. Toodle pip Seymour Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 19:29:41 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: AJW Subject: Krishna or Corny Card? Message: Hi Anth: I think premies take their cues from Maharaji about what to SAY about him, but not what they BELIEVE about him. If he doesn't talk about 'devotion' but rather 'gratitude' that's what they do, but they KNOW it's really about DEVOTION. They don't call him the perfect master or god, or the superior power in person -- they call him 'the master' because that's what he and his organization does, even though they still believe he REALLY IS the superior power in person. I think most premies won't SAY to anyone that's what they really believe, because their WORST FEAR is to be caught criticizing Maharaji, and by suggesting that he is something other than who he says he is would do just that. Now, the contradiction about the fact that Maharaji USED TO BE god and the superior power in person, but isn't, anymore, is VERY confronting to a premie. That's when they usually say they don't know, it doesn't matter, or something like you suggested: it's not 'about' that: it's about a personal relationship with him. A premie can't think about it or it would drive them nuts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 05:27:21 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: JW Subject: God's WILL! Message: I think most premies won't SAY to anyone that's what they really believe, because their WORST FEAR is to be caught criticizing Maharaji, and by suggesting that he is something other than who he says he is would do just that. I'm not sure I understand you 100%. MY feeling through all these 'changes' I've been through, is that AS it was M's will (and him being the Almighty Lord), then I HAD TO bend my mind and think this way, whatever my own feelings were. I guess that's what's bad about it. If there was any fear involved, that was DISPLEASING my Lord. My Lord wants to play master, then I obey. My Lord wants to play this or that, wonderful. This was what 'evolving', 'understanding' and being 'mature' was about! M keeps calling you openly a premie (Indian 'garbage'), tries to hide all his Indian background (Darshan etc) and you know it, and you don't know anymore what to think and what to say. This is where mind control takes you. This is why I call this brain-washing. I've suffered of this TREMENDOUSLY. And you won't get away with this Mr Rawat. Not yet. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 13:16:41 (EDT)
From: 123 Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: God's WILL! Message: 123 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 09:54:21 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Amost interesting debate Message: Last night I was browsing the recent issue of Skeptic and came upon a fourm of what appear to be some of the leading scholars on cults. This was a very hot argument. Apparently, two writers, Stephen Kent and Theresa Krebs had written a scathing article about the others, Gordon Melton, Anson Shupe and James R. Lewis, in an earlier issue. Their complaint, apaprently, was that these other academics had been co-opted to some extent by some of the New Religious Movements (NRM's) they wrote about (and testified for in certain cases) and had gone 'soft' on them as a result. These three, then, Melton, Shupe and Lewis, start the forum by replying why their approach to NRM's is sound and why Kent and Krebs are off the wall. The latter then rejoin quite forcefully. I can't imagine anyone here not finding this debate interesting. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 16:23:35 (EDT)
From: seymour Email: None To: Jim Subject: Amost interesting debate Message: Certainly sounds interesting, Jim, but there seem to be quite a few 'skeptic' magazines and I can't find it on any of them. Have you got the URL, or is it one of those old fashioned paper magazines for the wimps that can't take a bit of monitor migrane? Cheers Seymour Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 19:07:34 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: seymour Subject: Amost interesting debate Message: Seymour, Yeah, it does look interesting. The magazine's Skeptic. As in Skeptic Magazine. Not The Skeptical Inquirer but Skeptic (as in Skeptic Magazine). NB: I'm not talking about The Skeptical Inquirier but rather And yes, I was doing it in paper. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 18:31:03 (EDT)
From: douche Email: expremie@geocities.com To: Jim Subject: Amost interesting debate Message: Judge Jim... is that you? Jim Heller of heller@island.net? I've got a message for you from a friend from way back in your toe-kissing, white-walled past. It came to the expremie geocities site. God only knows how he came across the site - I thought it was hidden in the depths of dark cyberspace. I tried to forward the message to the most recent email address I have for you but it bounced back. I've asked Brian if he knows your adress but haven't had a response. So if you want to let me have it (you should have my email address somewhere), I'll send the message on. Douchebag. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 18:57:06 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: heller@bc1.com To: douche Subject: Amost interesting debate Message: Dave, this is my newest email above. Thanks for sending this on to me. Are we talking about another true blue premie who just wants to tell me to go to hell -- correction, I'm in hell. People like: Annie Wood Jack Tuff Leon Hawrylenko Robert Ruben Sue Raven Dan .... ? (sorry Dan, it's been a long day) Michael Duhaney Don DiCarlo Mike Smith etc. etc. Or are we talking about someone not afraid of thinking for themself? Anyway, send them on. Sure. Why not? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 15:06:35 (EDT)
From: Seymour Email: None To: Jim Subject: Thanks Jim Message: I'll look out for the magazine. Seymour Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 05:31:52 (EDT)
From: Ha Ha Ha, What a plan! Email: None To: Jim Subject: Amost interesting debate Message: The extremism which we had siphoned into Mirage isn't going to be gone the second we leave. Our ability to accept others who have different beliefs and are at different stages awarenesses is critical to our ability to overcome the damage that Miragey has caused us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 20:30:11 (EDT)
From: SD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Hand relief offered here Message: Just let your mouse do the work and go to The ANYTHING GOES forum for a different position. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 23:49:56 (EDT)
From: selene Email: None To: SD Subject: Hand relief offered here Message: oops now I am in for it. Or something. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 17:04:44 (EDT)
From: RT Email: OMM To: Everyone Subject: REMOTE VIEWING check it in. Message: http://www.probablefuture.com/contents.htm ^ this is really out of site! Those interested in this pls look at it, deep web site, uses CIA techniques. (more than 4) Seems legit. I offer for comments. Course is $98.00, 6 tapes. RT ..not foolin: think of what you could know! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 17:15:24 (EDT)
From: Major Barney Dames Email: None To: RT Subject: REMOTE VIEWING check it in. Message: I think that using the Internet when naked should be banned. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 19:23:19 (EDT)
From: dv Email: None To: RT Subject: REMOTE VIEWING check it in. Message: One question I have not gotten around to asking a 'successful' astral projector is:' can you do it with more than one person to verify that it's not just an internal mirage. Here is a site that has has a lot of related links:http://www.tanega.com/astral/astral.html I have found Monroe;s 'Far Journey's' fascinating, and have thought of taking their seminar, but at the moment am too busy to try to peek up god's skirt. Isn't life strange... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 20:35:43 (EDT)
From: RT Email: om To: dv Subject: REMOTE VIEWING: within inside. Message: hi, All those books were meant to be read in the early 1990's! I looked, it is a good site. Thanks. RV pages are specific and done while awake...I liked meditating so I may find this useful..will report from far away soon. RT ooo-ooo Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 07:08:55 (EDT)
From: PutneySquat Email: None To: Everyone Subject: patronising git? Message: For me the toughest aspect of being an 'ex' is standing up and announcing it formally to all my old premie buddies (the ones who still believe). I started my stint in Putney (South London) back in '76, considered by the more elite ashram premies at that time to be a 'spaced out' community. As a matter of fact I was advised by some more puritanical premies to leave this community if I wanted to stand a chance of receiving the Knowledge. The reason was that most of the Putney premies of that time were into enjoying themselves. We all enjoyed beer and smoke as well as Maharaj Ji and quite often there'd be a bit of a party after Satsang. I was a twenty year old aspirant and I loved it all, we had a bloody good time. I think it was believed that I might get a warped impression of Maharaj Ji and the Knowledge being raised in that environment. Who knows, maybe I did. What I do know is that that community was actually very strong in love, and for all of us who shared those days together, we recall them with great fondness. A valued time. Friendships forged during those days have been the strongest, most enduring and most rewarding of my life so far. I value these friendships and hope they will continue for many years hence. Today for the most part, the subject of Knowledge rarely comes up. Conversation is mostly the usual stuff middle aged people jabber about - family, kids, work, sport, computers, getting older and fatter etc. It rarely gets bogged down in anything heavier than politics, you know the scene. There's a sense of trust and support which is valued by all. But trouble is brewing. My concern is not that these friendships will 'crack up' or dissolve under the strain or shock of an announcement of retirement, it's just the spread of the pain and hurt. Excuse me if you think I'm assuming too much, but I reckon that all premies take it very personally when they hear that one of their close brothers or sisters has turned their back. For me, the chaos that strikes when further questioning, doubt and headaches spring up along the line, is hard to watch. I feel guilty. I don't feel good about it. Although I have not practised knowledge for maybe twelve years or so my pals don't regard me as an 'ex', I'm just a bit 'spaced out'. After all I actually went to see Maharajji a couple of times over the last few years so this was a clear indication to many that I must've been returning to the fold. However, what those events actually stood to confirm is that I was out of it. Way out. As the realisation took hold I have felt to be in the coldest, bleakest, nastiest space I have known. I am in a void. I am lonely and sad. I do not want others to join me! My wife has been unable to avoid me and has been drawn out as a consequence against her will. There has/have (?) been floods of tears. It is like a death in the family. Although I feel that I must stand up for what I believe to be the truth, I'm afraid that I'm a coward with this 'hot potato'. In a way it seems easier to let sleeping dogs lie. Am I just a patronising git? Charlie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 07:20:33 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: PutneySquat Subject: patronising git? Message: Before this thread goes any further I should just amend my name to PutneySquatter as replies will be addressed to a building and not the occupant. Charlie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 07:54:24 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: brauns@dircon.co.uk To: PutneySquatter Subject: patronising git? Message: PS, I'm sorry to hear of your unhappiness in leaving the cult. Others will respond with more eloquence, but one thing that occurs to me is that your premie friends seem, from your post, to be a very important, if not the predominant social group in your life. If so, then this will be difficult. I also have concerns about telling my premie friends about my becoming an ex (although if any read this forum they will know as I have posted my journey). But for me it's not so important as I rarely see them, and they have long since ceased to be the main social group I mix with. Most of my friends don't even know I have ever followed a guru, let alone how recently I left him (January this year). Speaking of Putney, I knew some premie friends who moved there from Leeds in around 1980. If you want to email me maybe you could let me know if they are still around. So I wish you all the best, and hope that if things do get rocky, you have other understanding friends to call on. A thread lower down talked about meeting other exes. I met one here in London and it was very refreshing to talk to someone else who shares a similar experience. If you would like to meet sometime that I would be happy to do so. Maybe we can organise a mini 'event' for exes in London. Hmm, I wonder who we should invite a guest speaker? Bye for now, John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 08:13:42 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: anthginn@yahoo.com To: PutneySquat Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Hiya Charlie, Well there's at least one other Putney Premie who's become an 'Ex'. Let's meet up and have a pint sometime, give me a bell or drop me an email. Anth the Putney Homeowner. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 08:32:04 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: AJW Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Anth, Hey, count me in if I'm welcome! A pint of Youngs in the Half Moon or that other Youngs pub by the river would be great! John the Bayswater resident, and Latvian home owner. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 09:30:39 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: AJW Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Hey Anth, didn't see you at this years Glastonbury. It was a f***ing travesty the crime rate has ripped the heart out of the event!! I feel like I've been double whammied, there's not even a decent hippy festival to retreat to these days. Yes, I need to drown my sorrows. Let the alcoholic anaesthetic flow. Fullers or Youngs? P.S. Were you really at Glasto hiding out in a privileged corporate hospitality air-raid shelter with the select boys, while we were taking it in the trenches? love and peace man... Charlie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 10:40:49 (EDT)
From: AJW. Email: None To: Air Raid Shelter. Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Hi Charlie, Crime? What crime? I thought it was three days of drug induced hippy bliss. However, you've got me sussed. I was in the corporate air raid shelter, rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous and flashing my backstage pass. Someone has to do it. How about meeting up for a pint this week sometime? Tomorrow, Thursday, or Friday? We can negotiate with JHB (above) and lure him south of the river. Anth the Ligger. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 11:15:14 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: AJW. Subject: Putney Pint? Message: I'm away Friday, and am already busy on Thursday. Tomorrow is possible. What do you think? John the Youngs fan although Fullers is fine as well. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 13:55:28 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: JHB Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Hiya JHB, Howabout the Red Lion, on the end of Rocks Lane, tomorrow night, about 8 oclock? The bar at the back. You can always get a comfy seat there and they do a nice pint. Anth the thirsty. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 14:09:50 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: AJW Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Yer on. C Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 14:19:25 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: AJW Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Fine by me. I'll be the full bodied chap in the jeans, brown leather jacket, goatee type beard, glasses, and short uninteresting brown hair, beragon, meditation blanket, Maharaji button, Divine Sales jumble leaflets, satsang leaflets, divine times, and a Guru Puja 1973 shoulder bag. (Well OK I may leave the last 7 items behind!) See you there. John the beer importer who will be researching the opposition's products Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 15:42:52 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: JHB Subject: Barnes Pint? Message: Hi John, I'll be there. Anth the full bodied chap in the jeans, leather jacket, glasses, and short uninteresting brown hair. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 12:20:49 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: AJW. Subject: Dodgy Hippy Festival Message: Hi Anth, I f***ing new it! I won't say you should've been out their with the troops I wouldn't wish it on anyone. No, it was the worst Glastonbury I've been to. Speaking as a mere ordinary bloke who has to pay 80 quid to get in (as opposed to a groupie blagger), I shall not be returning. Check the bbs at http://www.glastonbury-festival.co.uk/ there's a major fight going on between those who think that Glastonbury should be 'free for all' and those who were robbed blind and scared shitless. Yes, a pint tomorrow if you can make it. Where and when? Yes, JHB has expressed an interest in coming along. Fair enough, but no ex-premie conventions please!! I don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire if you know what I mean. Charlie PS. Al Green was excellent but wouldn't shut up about some fella called Jesus. What is the world coming to? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 14:10:04 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: PutneySquatter Subject: Dodgy Hippy Festival Message: Hi Charlie, I emailed you. No problem. We'll start off with a couple of minutes noisy thinking to centre ourselves. Then we'll have a short video, and a few words from our guest speaker. Publications and cassettes will be on sale at the end. Oh yes, and there'll be a voluntary £5 minimum donation, to cover admin costs. See you tomorrow Anth the Institutionalised. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 19:45:25 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: AJW Subject: Putney Pint? Message: Well, the Putney Pint happened, hic! PutneySquatter, JHB, AJW, and Jethro enjoyed the company of truth and a few pints of Guinness and Fullers fine ales. I'm sure something of great consequence happened but I feel too intoxicated by the holy name to remember (hic, hic!) John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 09:39:24 (EDT)
From: Still Believe Email: None To: PutneySquat Subject: patronising git? Message: Although I have not practised knowledge for maybe twelve years or so my pals don't regard me as an 'ex', I'm just a bit 'spaced out'. After all I actually went to see Maharajji a couple of times over the last few years so this was a clear indication to many that I must've been returning to the fold. However, what those events actually stood to confirm is that I was out of it. Way out. As the realisation took hold I have felt to be in the coldest, bleakest, nastiest space I have known. I am in a void. I am lonely and sad. I do not want others to join me! My wife has been unable to avoid me and has been drawn out as a consequence against her will. There has/have (?) been floods of tears. It is like a death in the family. Although I feel that I must stand up for what I believe to be the truth, I'm afraid that I'm a coward with this 'hot potato'. In a way it seems easier to let sleeping dogs lie. Am I just a patronising git? Charlie ___________________ _____________________ ______________________ coldest, bleakest = Powerful, True-est trying to be real....... BUT THEN ??? / --- .wife has been unable : against her will. There has/have (?) been floods of tears. It is like a death in the family. Hmmmm, wazzzup with thatt! Hmmmmm, Although I feel that I must stand up for what I believe to be the truth, I'm afraid that I'm a coward with this 'hot potato'. In a way it seems easier to let sleeping dogs lie. How can you think let sleeping dogs lie, {wrong picture}, its let my most personal being of what I am too, ??? let sleeping dogs lie ???, NO way, again, IT is because IT is about us, not sleeping dogs, about your most personal of yourself image and inclusive of that your personal philosophy of life of love of, well you get the idea? Hellooooo, I said you get IT........... With this in mind, {ha ha}, you would tell HIM and all his minions that they need to stay in HELL or try and BE as are you and many others that have been through the fire in the pursuit of LOVE and TRUTH and WORSHIP, but because of that WORSHIP shit and some other shit -----------. Well, it is a magical time that we are in for all those who see, --------------------- Maybe we all can have a great big party................ Big or small its always a good time to enjoy.............. Happiness is the practical solution. Hey, like for real, if a dude or dudet felt like jumping off a cliff, well, might as well have fun and do the most wonderful, but maybe most scary thing like if you are into it, go make that Movie that you have always wantted to do, or learn how to fly that plane or ask yourself.............. You get the idea................ Be here NOW ............. {{{ smile }}}, or not, but you can do whatever you want to do, CAN'T YOU? .... DAA, ------ Well, time to go to the park. Have a good one. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 10:10:55 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: Still Believe Subject: patronising git? Message: Still Believe or whatever your name is. I've heard that drinking a lot of orange juice is good for coming down from an LSD trip that's run out of control. Maybe you could get your neighbour to run out to the shops to get you some while you remain tied to a chair and frothing!! Don't hit the floor with too hard a bang. Kind Regards... Charlie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 13:39:39 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: PutneySquatter Subject: Why come down at all? Message: Guru Maharaj Ji showed me an internal LSD from which I never have to come down. Ever. I can take this freedom to work, play and enjoy its cosmic beauty ('up, up, UP -- infinitely up') throughout the execution of all my civic duties and community involvement. It's like an internal nipple ring (I think). Thank you, Maharaji, for saving me from my mind....Thank you for taking my mind and allowing me to fully participate with gratitude and appreciation. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 13:57:34 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Jim Subject: For a pint. Message: Hi Jim, You sound like you need a pint. Doing anything tomorrow night? Anth the sociable. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 14:07:49 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: AJW Subject: For a pint. Message: Hey, invite 'Still Believe' along. He knows were to get the good stuff. But you loose the power of speech. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 14:02:12 (EDT)
From: PutneySquatter Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why come down at all? Message: You see man, that is my problem, I can't get UP. Is there an easier way to do this. I mean, have you had any good acid lately. I know I can't find any - not even at the Glastonbury Festival. I had a face full but I reckon it's just coloured paper they sell these days. You can't even take the dealer to the trading standards authority to get your money back. Can you take Maharaj Ji? Charlie (stone sober) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 14:13:22 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: PutneySquatter Subject: Why come down at all? Message: Charlie, There's this vibration... ...and don't forget the magic mushrooms. Anth the brain damaged. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 20:29:09 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The Myth of Returning Premies Message: Now middle-age has hit, and this life on Earth no longer seems eternal. Endless battles have been fought, and either won or lost. Sometimes when we've lost we've won, and vice-versa: the old certainties seem slowly to be evaporating. Most of my ashram pals from the early 1970s are coming back to Knowledge like scape-goats returning from the desert. What had come over them perhaps, in that distant window of youth, was a simple curiosity, or thirst, to really know what existence was. To feel happiness and meaning. And, before the avalanche of adulthood buried them, to somehow redeem the all-but-forgotten early promise of this human life. The above is from John MacGregor’s ‘life’ over on ELK.org, and you will notice that he says that most of his old ashram buddies are coming back to Knowledge. Well I used to attend the same video events as John, and unless since I have left, they’ve all suddenly come out of the woodwork, then I think its another example of a premie deluding himself and others or just sprouting the same old condescending bullshit that Maharaji himself uses. I mean, like scape-goats returning from the desert, as though their lives inbetween have been empty and filled with nothing! The arrogance! (And who have they been scape-goats for, eh?? Ha-ha!) Honestly, the maximum number that ever attended the events I went to was about 10, and my partner used to ring up many of the mutual ashram buddies of his and John’s about whether they’d want to come back to see an event, and not ONE of them ever seemed to show up - and he used to get tired of having to ring them as part of an EV phone-tree. Anyway, last weekend when I spent time with chr, we had a fascinating conversation about a 1995 event in Sydney with Maharaji that we both attended. I was still an aspirant and it was, I think the third time I’d seen the Big M in the lardy flesh. Anyway I remember at that event, Maharaji saying something like, ‘It’s good to see a lot of old faces back again!’ chr told me that it was the first event he’d gone back to in a long time since becoming an ex, and he went to see what it was like. He told me he bumped into a few old faces, and thought that they were still practising premies (as they did he), but only found out later, that like him, had gone back out of curiosity, were really ex-premies, and thought that Maharaji and the whole scene was a crock! So, I think that is probably what happens at a lot of events. As opposed to a lot of old premies returning to the flock, its more like a lot of old EX-premies return out of curiosity, realise that he's still a fraud, and probably never bother going back after that! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 22:39:16 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: TD Subject: The Myth of Returning Premies Message: HA HA What a great post, TD. I love how you debunked that myth lock, stock, and barrel. What a stupid cult this is. What does M take us for--a bunch of numb nuts, that's what. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 04:34:57 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: TD Subject: How stupid Message: can you get when you're a premie? The simplest thing is almost impossible to imagine. And I can understand those guys coming back to watch this. What do they think about it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 20:13:12 (EDT)
From: chr Email: None To: TD Subject: The Myth of Returning Premies Message: Hi TD, That program in 95 was quite amusing. I went along with about a dozen other exes. I'd lived in ashrams with some of them and one had been a long time instructor. Most of the people who came up to us assumed we were still involved with M until one aging ashram associate stated , 'It's good to see you here-of course there's nowhwere else to go or be.' I replied that fortunately there are plenty of other places to go and be. After that we played avoid the premie, only to find out that many people were playing that with us. It seemed that a high proportion of the audience were exes who had just gone along out of curiosity, as M hadn't visited this city in a while. We stayed for a very lifeless K review with M and I don't think any of us have bothered since. I decided I had better things to do, especially since I had to take a day without pay to see him. It was good that I went though. I had last seen M in 92 but I had walked out during his satsang- it was still too soon after me leaving and I was getting the heebeegeebies being there. In 95 it all seemed rather pathetic- M just seemed to be going through the motions. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 04:14:51 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: TD Subject: The Myth of Returning Premies Message: Hi TD, The number of active premies has been in decline in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe and the US) since the late 70s. There's a dwindling core of old timers, many of whom are having doubts, a wave of premie children getting knowledge, most of whom don't stick around, and new people who come for a nice peaceful inner experience, sniff a cult and zoom out the door. There's 'propagation' going on in places like Africa (white South African premies making their black servants watch videos), but any observer can see the movement has lost its way and is in decline. We're winning- but as Exes outnumber premies about 20 to 1, the odds are hardly fair. Anth the Turncoat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 06:02:46 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Everyone Subject: INCREDIBLE Indian news! Message: Here is the last e-mail exchange I've had with 'Sitaram': JM: One question that seems obvious for me now is why have you been YOURSELF attracted by DLM at that time. Have you been one of Shri Hans' disciples? If that's been the case, what did attract you in him? Was his 'teaching' more Hindu? I understand that he himself used to mock Hindu priests and religious people (M did the same). Then what happened? Was M's teaching different from Shri Hans'? And if it was, what do you think influenced M to 'change'? And what do you think of the meditation techniques as they were taught to westerners? Is this a common thing in India to teach that kind of techniques? Sitaram: There is so much to know! About my connection to M. Have you ever heard of Mouni Baba? He got me into it. I was walking from Varanasi to Prayag (Allahabad) for the Ardh Kumbh Mela without a care in the world (nor a penny in my pocket). I had taken a vow of only walking and not touching money. In a small village, a wise looking man who had taken a vow of silence (he actually claimed that he would only speak to a true human being), wrote with his stick in the earth: : 'I am above the languages. Come above the languages if you wish to meet me.' So I came above the languages, and after a few weeks, he told me this story, about this baby to whom he had presented a set of the Vedas and other sacred texts, some sort of very special human. He communicated to me how things had gone terribly wrong, how the child had become a virtual prisoner of his evil mother. He communicated to me how he had gone to Mirzapur, to get a message to the child who was now 12 years old, and how the workers of an organization called the Divine Light Mission beat him up and held him in a dark room for a week. He showed me the scars, somewhat fresh. He thought that I should help save the world, and being young idealistic and always one for a cosmic adventure, I fell for it. The first time I met M and his mother, I walked into Prem Nagar covered in holy ashes, wearing only a gamsha, carrying a trident. I don't believe I wore shoes in those days. They liked me alot right away, M gave me his diksha that night or so, the initiation, and within days, mother asked me to go to America to 'spread the knowledge' or whatever. I told her that I never wanted to leave India. But I did leave Haridwar as soon as mother and son went up to Dehra Dun, back to St Josephs you know, and I, down to Rajasthan, near Jaipur to see my guru, Hari Puri Maharaj. I tell him the whole story, he thinks it's great, says to go to America if the woman wants to pay you a ticket, make some money and we'll build a bigger Hanuman temple! Mouni Baba told me to have the mother make me a 'mahatma' and go lead the West, and 'capture' the boy, take him away from those devils. I was a student of Advaita Vedanta, Yogachara, and Sannyasa Marga. I was at an extremely low level of knowledge in these areas, but I had an ardent interest. Tantra as well. So, with my background there was no issue of training me, the mahatmas of the DLM were basically illiterates anyway, who knew nothing of Indian tradition, but filled their discourses with Christian like stories of miracles performed by the Master, and how all religions proclaim him, and how, like the Bhakti school, it's all so blissfull. So they sent me off as I was, with what little I knew, but I was on a mission! I'll continue at another time with the story. I really don't think either the father nor the song really had any teachings of substance. Nothing that either a yogi or a scholar, nor any serious participant in intellectual intercourse could take seriously. Nothing compared with the culture tradition and learing of the Brahmin across the alleyway. The father and the son were fundamentalist christians sounding off against the Cathlolic Church in a southern drawl. The meditation techniques were bastardized yoga teachings, sort of the lowest level of understanding of such. At least I tried to give my initiates the benefit of mantra with the breathing. I couldn't believe what the 'mahatmas' wanted to teach the westerners. Anyway, I'm happy to take your questions. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 09:25:05 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: You can say that again Message: JM, This is all super interesting. Especially the 'evil mother' trip. Hm, maybe Maharaji's really the Lord after all. So did Sitaram become a mahatma? What happened next? And then after that? This is indeed pretty incredible. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 10:01:08 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jim Subject: I'm hooked... Message: to this story, and anxiously waiting for the next episode! This is a great story! of course I've already asked him all your questions, and some other questions also! Maybe Mataji didn't like his God-Child so much? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 10:30:49 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: For those who've missed Message: the previous episodes, here's the link to An Indian Perspective on Prempal Rawat's teaching, by a knowledgeable Hinduist teacher.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 13:14:59 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Comparing different bullshits Message: That's very enlightening there, Jean-Michel. Personally, I think ALL the Hindu stuff is a pile of cow dung. That's the trouble with listening to one teacher denigrating another. I don't believe any of them are any more knowledgable. An analogy would be a Catholic Cardinal critisising a born again Jesus freak leader like Moses David. If you don't believe in Christianity then they're both off their trolley, knowledge wise. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 13:37:12 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Comparing different bullshits Message: I won't say you're wrong. But I'd say that you can't measure M's BS only according to your own social conditioning. What I find extremely interesting in this guy's journey, is that he's a human being like you and me, he's born in India, he had a very particuliar relationship with 'the kid', and his opinion is as valid as yours. I've read psychoanalysts' analysis on the phenomenon we've been involved in, and I also find their opinion extremely interesting, even though I don't agree with them. There are many angles you can look at the phenomenon, and I find other people's perspective usually very interesting. Premies' perspectives are also intersting IMO. I don't read the ELK's BS, but I find it EXTREMELY revealing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 19:13:06 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Don't mind me, Jean-Michel Message: I've got a massive aversion to all things Hindu, no doubt due to my involvement with Maharaji and his game. I actually start to come out in a cold sweat when I read Hindu scriptures or literature, it's so bad. Your communication with this Indian guy is very valuable and gives us a better idea how Maharaji got up and running. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 02:36:21 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: thanks JM Message: What an interesting exchange! This man really expresses himself well. Can you tell him thank you from me for sharing this with you ( and us ) it is fascinating. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 15:47:06 (EDT)
From: SM Email: SMorgan885@aol.com To: Jean-Michel Subject: INCREDIBLE Indian news! Message: J-M-- This is by far the most interesting/enlightening post I've read on these boards (within which I've 'lurked' a bit for a year or so.) More please! Either here or elsewhere-- just gimme/us(?) an http address or two. And keep it up! Fascinating work like this deserves support and wide(r) dissemination! I realize that this format (rightfully enough) affords ample bandwith to folks hurt and deformed by servitude to Rawat who want to vent,gossip, chat, etc., but your level of investigative scholarship (not to patronize thee with faint praise) is of high-level excellence... plus of drearier (lower-level?) 'usefulness' um, to many folks!!! (Considering the low piss-off threshold here, I'm trying to be careful not to offend entities who might mistake my enthusiasm for your approach as 'repudiation' of theirs, etc., ad nauseum...) BUT: More, more more!!! Please!!! -- SM Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 19:12:38 (EDT)
From: Gregg Email: None To: SM Subject: incredible or in-credible? Message: I dunno, this Indian guy is obviously theologically and linguistically knowledgeable, but this last installment sounds a little too much like a fairy tale. The seer and the prophecy, the charmed child, the evil mother (all right, it's not a stepmother)...what do you all think? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 19:38:35 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Gregg Subject: Hey Gregg!!! Message: Can you add your two cents to the dialog with Helen waaaay down below. I'm over my head.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 22:45:34 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Hey Gerry!!! Message: I think the Helen/Gregg dialogue has expired...was there something in particular you wanted to follow up on? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 23:12:33 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: gregg Subject: Hey Gerry!!! Message: Well sir, that thread 's done gone over the horizen fer sure...I was just talking about self inquiry ('who am I') and wiggling my way towards non-dualism. Not that I'm an expert, but the habit of asking this question of oneself does have some, er, repercussions, I noticed. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 08:58:07 (EDT)
From: Gregg Email: None To: gerry Subject: Not this Not that Message: Couldn't agree with ya more, pardner. Not a bad question, who am I, not bad at all. Do you check out Jerry's non-dualism site, Gerry? How about Ken Wilber's work? (His journal...One Taste...is a good read. Less academic than most of his work.) I can't say I am personally grounded in non-dualistic awareness...but a few glimpses have confirmed the truth of this View for me. 'Re-percussions.' Have you noticed that sound can have enlightening qualities? One rock falling on another...I guess sound embodies the immediacy and spaciousness of Spirit. But this is WAY off topic. None of this has much to do with that rich Indian kid. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 19:57:50 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Gregg Subject: Neti, Neti Message: Couldn't agree with ya more, pardner. Not a bad question, who am I, not bad at all. Do you check out Jerry's non-dualism site, Gerry? How about Ken Wilber's work? (His journal...One Taste...is a good read. Less academic than most of his work.) Yes, I've seen Jerry Katz's site and it is a good one. I've never read Ken Wilbur before. I can't say I am personally grounded in non-dualistic awareness...but a few glimpses have confirmed the truth of this View for me. Ditto for me, too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 22:50:05 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: JM Message: Did you see what Bobby wrote in his Bobby's thread post? He KNEW this guy! And is familiar with some of the story! Already a confirmation. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:12:03 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: JM- Check Bobbys post far down Message: his is the last post on this page. It will probably be in the achive in an hour. Its 'Bobbys Thread.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 01, 1999 at 06:18:26 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: cp Subject: Hey! Message: I've read his e-mail! What I'd appreciate, would be him giving more details on Sitaram and Mouni Baba, if he still recalls anything ... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 02:21:29 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: People in the UK Subject: Free internet connection Message: There is a new service in the UK where the interenet phone connection is free between the hours of 6pm to 6am and on weekends. The web link is http://www.localtel.co.uk/ Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 02:24:43 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Free internet connection Message: Hi Jethro Tell Hamzen about it. I miss him! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 08:29:21 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Selene Subject: Hamzen told me.... Message: about it......he'll be visiting the forum again soon. Love from Jethro Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 11:56:46 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Hamzen told me.... Message: HA! OK, that's funny. I hope I am not embarrassing him, being a fan and all. It's that music he sent me what can I say? Love to you too Jethro, From Selene Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 12:35:29 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Selene Subject: Selene I know what you... Message: mean about the music......he's still doing it and DJing... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 29, 1999 at 23:53:14 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Selene Subject: Hamzen told me.... Message: Yeah I Like the Ham's input too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |