Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 1
From: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 To: Fri, Sep 03, 1999 Page: 5 Of: 5


JHB -:- Jim's Atheist Belief -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:53:59 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Yes and even better, I'm probably wrong -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 10:50:12 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- I don't know -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 11:09:29 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Argument? -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:21:12 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- You fell for my trap! -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:24:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Re: You fell for my trap! -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:35:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You fell for my trap! -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 20:00:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- The Ricola Thingy -:- Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:37:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: The Ricola Thingy -:- Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:40:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Re: The Ricola Thingy -:- Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 06:52:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: The Ricola Thingy -:- Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 21:53:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Re: The Ricola Thingy -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 06:56:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: The Ricola Thingy -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 10:13:08 (EDT)

leroy -:- The List -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:11:11 (EDT)
__ *>*...b -:- le roy west? -:- Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 23:58:16 (EDT)
__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: The List -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 20:11:09 (EDT)
__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: The List -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 15:09:06 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Leroy, Help has arrivied. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 06:31:49 (EDT)
__ Roger E. Drek -:- This idiot must be Quasi-Premie or da rapper -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:25:02 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- Hate? No. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:22:00 (EDT)
__ __ Moses -:- Abuse, yes. Hatred, no. -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 16:50:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Re: Abuse, yes. Hatred, no. -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 04:45:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Moses -:- Loving abuse? -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 14:51:58 (EDT)
__ __ URL -:- Re: Hate? No. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 14:50:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Re: Hate? No. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 21:16:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Yeah, I hate Maharaji. Of course I do. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 20:27:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- All you need is cider. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 15:56:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ URL -:- Re: All you need is cider. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 17:04:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Another HATE filled post. -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:27:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Excellent test, Anth -- to be remembered -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:56:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ An ocassional observer -:- Re: All you need is cider. -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 02:54:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ URL -:- Re: All you need is cider. -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 18:23:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ An Occassional Observer -:- Re: All you need is cider. -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 21:29:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hihomumio -:- No common issues??? -:- Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 19:37:12 (EDT)
__ __ Roger (No More Mr. Nice Guy) Drek -:- I hate you, JHB -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:28:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Why JHB was nice. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 06:36:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Re: Why JHB was nice. -:- Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:47:50 (EDT)


Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:53:59 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Jim's Atheist Belief
Message:
Jim,

Would you agree that Atheism is a belief? I understand that you see no need to believe in a transcendent conscious power to explain the universe, and I see your point. However, it's still just your belief, but I respect it.

(I hope that last bit sounded suitable patronising:-))

John who would now like to pick an argument with an agnostic.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 10:50:12 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Yes and even better, I'm probably wrong
Message:
John,

If it makes you feel any better, I'm probably in denial of the love that's all around (in the air, etc.). Hell, this might work: it all came to me in a dream!

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 11:09:29 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I don't know
Message:
Jim,

Hey, you've probably misunderstood me. I haven't a clue if there's a god or not, nor whether it's possible for a mere creature to find out. I respect your arguments about not needing to hypothesise such a being, but I cannot, as you do, argue strongly against those who believe in a god.

John the All-Not-Knowing

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:21:12 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Argument?
Message:
Hi John,

I'm not sure if there's a God, but I'm not sure if I want an argument or not either. Maybe I should get advice from someone, what do you think?

Anth the Agnostic

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:24:39 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: You fell for my trap!
Message:
I'm not sure.....

Anth the Myth Maker,

But an agnostic is sure! He/she is sure that it is not possible to know whether there is a god or not. Agnosticism is just another belief!

John the Pyth Taker

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:35:59 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: You fell for my trap!
Message:
I don't get it man, like is there a God or not? If if there isn't one, but maybe there is man, then this makes Jesus an agnostic right? But I'm not religious anyway man, but Buddha right, he was an atheist right, so I guess that must make me a Libran?

(Does this mean if my birthday's not in October I'm a Hindu or something?)

Thanks for explaining everything.

Anth can see clearly now his brain is gone.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 20:00:57 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: You fell for my trap!
Message:
Dear Brainless Anth,
Your birthday isn't in October silly, it is June 10th remember. Get that ricola thingy with the lettuce out! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:37:49 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: The Ricola Thingy
Message:
Robyn,

Do you mean get it out the cupboard, or get it out my mouth?

Anth the Lettuced

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Date: Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:40:51 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: The Ricola Thingy
Message:
Dear Anth,
Lordy man, get it out of the cupboard first and then into your mouth!!!!! Do I have to tell you everything! Here you thought I didn't know squat about it!!! Hahaha.
I just don't live in the city and don't use as many machines for these simple tasks you know. :)
Love,
Robyn the soon to be lettuced :)
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Date: Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 06:52:53 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: The Ricola Thingy
Message:
Robyn,

It's a good job you live in the boonies, round the other side of the world, or you'd probably get me into trouble.

Anth the Innocent

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Date: Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 21:53:46 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: The Ricola Thingy
Message:
Dear Anth,
:) I am a mild mannered, good lady but I do have a few vises. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 06:56:57 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: The Ricola Thingy
Message:
Dear Robyn,

I am a rude, loud-mouthed, uncouth yobbo, but I do have one or two endearing characteristics.

I play a mean blues harmonica and I can make a nice cup of tea.

Anth (Got them Lonesome Tea Drinkin' Blues Wha Wha Whaaaaa.)

Hey, Robyn, I just found out Jackson C Frank died in March. May he rest in Peace.

'Where ever I've been and gone the Blues have run the game.'

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 10:13:08 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: The Ricola Thingy
Message:
Dear Anth,
Oh, sad, sad about JC Frank. I have been spreading his music around so that is kind of nice to think about. He was such a sad man apparently.

'I am a rude, loud-mouthed, uncouth yobbo, but I do have one or two endearing characteristics.'
You sound like a dear friend of mine. :)
Love,
Robyn

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:11:11 (EDT)
From: leroy
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The List
Message:
I understand there is a websight out there that really lays into Mother Theresa. Hurry and join in on the fun!!! (just another rotten Catholic whore!)
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Date: Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 23:58:16 (EDT)
From: *>*...b
Email: None
To: leroy
Subject: le roy west?
Message:
What would the 'understanding inside' be?
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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 20:11:09 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: leroy
Subject: Re: The List
Message:
So, Leroy I have a site where you can report this 'hate sight' to just choose you agency

'Agencies of the US Intelligence Community'
www.odci.gov/ic/icagen2.htm

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 15:09:06 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: leroy
Subject: Re: The List
Message:
This is a disscusion group of people with many varied opinions and ideas that have one thing in common - we are mostly former members of a cult. If you would look at most hate crimes they come from groups with a single focus and this group does not have that characteristic. We all left M for various reasons and we dicuss them premies come over here and try to preach to us. this leads to heated discussions, but the only example of violence that I am aware of is by premies against non-believers, like the Fakiranand incident. I doubt if law enforcement or the media would be interested in us, when was the last time a non group did something wacko? Now cult members like followers of M are very close to a group that may eventually harm others ot themselves. This is why many of us chose to not disclose who we are. We know from past experience how fanatical premies can get.
But if you really believe this is a hate site please point the goverment here - we will be glad to point them to the archives and the messages - heck maybe they may even decide to investigate M.
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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 06:31:49 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: leroy
Subject: Leroy, Help has arrivied.
Message:
Leroy my brother,

You have obviously been through some hard times in your life. Your perception of life probably appears normal and sane to you, but I have to tell you have a problem. Wherever you look you only see hate.

Your condition is notunusual in people who have had their mind damaged either by drugs, abuse, or brainwashing (eg being a member of a religious cult).

May I suggest you make a space each day to sit and contemplate the beautiful things in life, like fluffy kittens, flowers and waterfalls and laughing babies.

I have received authority from a higher power to dispense teaching in this area. If you would like lessons, send a cheque for the equivalant of 250 Euros, to the bank account of Ballyogannon Shri Pants Gee Guru Anthji, to NatWest Bank Putney, and I will lead you back to the world of love.

Anth the Compassionate

ps As a Catholic, I am most offended by your disgusting remarks about Mother Teresa. However, as I am all forgiving, I've let you off. However, it wouldn't do you any harm to go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap and say a few Hail Marys and Our Fathers.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:25:02 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: leroy
Subject: This idiot must be Quasi-Premie or da rapper
Message:
Hey there, stupid!

I recognize your stupid crap because you always say Hate Sights. No, idiot it should be Hate Sites. Oh, but your being clever, aren't you?

Is this the best that Maharaji can muster up to discredit the Ex-Premies?

Come on, idiot Leroy! Visit my censorshop sight and look for a link that says idiot!, click on it and it will give you detailed instructions on how delete all files on your computer.

You're beautiful, babe, don't ever change! Stay on the path or you might have to think for yourself one day.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:22:00 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: leroy
Subject: Hate? No.
Message:
Leroy,

I really don't understand how people like you refer to this as a hate site (PS, note the correct spelling). Yes, some of us enjoy exposing the lies told by Maharaji and his followers, but I think there are very few (if any) here who hate Maharaji. The discussions with premies sometimes get a bit heated, with both sides occasionally stooping to verbal abuse, but hatred? - No I don't see it, or feel it.

By the way, are you a bystander, or have you ever been a follower of Maharaji?

John.

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 16:50:58 (EDT)
From: Moses
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Abuse, yes. Hatred, no.
Message:
Thou shalt warp the English language as much as need be to justify thy twisted point of view.
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Date: Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 04:45:56 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Moses
Subject: Re: Abuse, yes. Hatred, no.
Message:
Thou shalt warp the English language as much as need be to justify thy twisted point of view.

Moses,

I think I have felt hatred in my life so I am qualified to recognise it when I feel it, so your charge of twisting the english language hardly applies.

John.

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Date: Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 14:51:58 (EDT)
From: Moses
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Loving abuse?
Message:
Maybe thou art merely too much accustomed to it.
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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 14:50:58 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Hate? No.
Message:
... but I think there are very few (if any) here who hate Maharaji.

Let's see -- Jim has expressed his hatred a number of times. Charlie feels like blowing Maharaji's head off. Bzzzzzzzzz, sorry John. I'm gonna have to penalize you once again. 'A five minute major for Bullshitting'.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 21:16:14 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: Hate? No.
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 20:27:46 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Yeah, I hate Maharaji. Of course I do.
Message:
But I hate you too, Url. I think you're scum, quite frankly. It's not just your involvement in the cult. It's what that's turned you into. Yeah, I have nothing but contempt for you, if you must know.
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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 15:56:56 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: All you need is cider.
Message:
URL, just because you sometimes feel like blowing someone's head off, doesn't mean you hate them. I love my children dearly, but often fantasize terrible deaths for them (in payment for their heinous crimes).

And as for Jim, well, everyone knows he's the Antichrist anyway.

URL, if you don't mind me mentioning it, you seem to be flitting round the Forum nit picking. Why don't you sit down and meditate, or watch a video of your master rambling on? If your level of communication continues to decline as such a rate, you'll end up like Catweasel, stumbling around the forum like a cider drunk at a bus station, swearing at little children and lamposts.

Anth the Lampost.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 17:04:08 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: All you need is cider.
Message:
...just because you sometimes feel like blowing someone's head off, doesn't mean you hate them. I love my children dearly, but often fantasize terrible deaths for them...

Now I've heard everything!

What a strange set of values can be developed when placed in an environment where there's no accountability.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:27:18 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Another HATE filled post.
Message:
URL,

Surely you can't be as dumb to think that I really consider infanticide. What I'm saying is URL, your trawling of the Forum of EXes and Maharaji 'HATERS' has come up with one 'hater' (surprise surprise Jim, we would never have guessed) and at best a 'maybe'.

Hmmmn. Not really the venom filled cess pit you're trying to paint is it?

Now, if you'll indulge me a moment, I may be able to find out what's colouring your perception.

Do you find the following description of Maharaji in any way offensive?

He is a short, overweight Indian, full of the same sort of doubts, confusions, contradictions, and offensive habits as any other human being. He has no unique insight into the meaning of existence, no divine powers, and no special handle on 'the grace of God'. His feet are exactly the same as anyone elses.'

How does that sound URL? Do you think I'm attacking your Master? Or does that sound like a reasonable, inoffensive description of a fellow human being.

Funny thing is URL, if the premies really did love Maharaji, they'd stop treating him like God. It's not good for him, or anyone else, to be worshipped.

Anth (Another hate filled post bites the dust)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:56:37 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Excellent test, Anth -- to be remembered
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 02:54:12 (EDT)
From: An ocassional observer
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: All you need is cider.
Message:
'What a strange set of values can be developed when placed in an environment where there's no accountability'

This perfectly describes 'premies' who never hold their Lord/leader/God/supreme being..ie. Maharaji...accountable for anything. You typify this putrid behaviour.

I could go on......but

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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 18:23:23 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: An ocassional observer
Subject: Re: All you need is cider.
Message:
This perfectly describes 'premies' who never hold their Lord/leader/God/supreme being..ie. Maharaji...accountable for anything. You typify this putrid behaviour.

A pleasure to meet you too. Just a couple of things:

You see 'observerl', what you are saying just doesn't make any sense. It's very hard for a premie in good standing to empathise with ex-premies because premies have nothing but glowing praise for what Maharaji has done for them. What would they ask him to be accountable for -- bringing joy into their lives? Giving them a reason to get up in the morning? They will readily acknowledge him for this.

As for the issues ex-premies have against Maharaji, that just doesn't compute for premies because we don't have those same issues. So don't ask us to hold him accountable for something with which we have no issue. You seem to be asking us to be accountable for your belief that he's fake. Well we can't do that. It's impossible to do when the joy he gives us is so real. So I'm sorry you think me putrid.

One more thing -- In placing blame on Maharaji for premies' hurt feelings, would you ever find it acceptable for a premie to abdicate responsibility for their OWN decisions in life?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 21:29:28 (EDT)
From: An Occassional Observer
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: All you need is cider.
Message:
Thank you for a wonderful answer. You surely typify the 'premie attitude'. Any observer can see.
It's all about 'having a wonderful experience'.

It doesn't matter that your Lord protects maggots like Jagdeo because 'he gave me a wonderful experience'.

It doesn't matter that your Lord broke Ron Coletta's nose.

It doesn't matter your Lord kicked loads of people out imto the street and dumps people as the whim takes him. It doesn't matter because 'he gave me a wonderful experience'.

Of course it's all the premies fault, just like it's the fault of the blacks that they were enslaved, like it's the fault of jews that they were decimated, just like it the fault of the American Indians that they were robbed and persecuted.........etc...etc...

You just don't see it do you!

Anyway thanks again for your posts showing the premie mind set....yes you are in a mind set.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 19, 1999 at 19:37:12 (EDT)
From: Hihomumio
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: No common issues???
Message:
Well URL-

In light of what you said above, please explain to me how your words apply to the sordid situation involving Jagdeo's sick behavior with children. Please keep in mind that this is not hearsay, rumor, or bullshit. An ex who posts on this board KNOWS ABOUT THIS SICK BEHAVIOR FIRSTHAND AND DID WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE: MADE SURE THAT MAHARAJI KNEW ABOUT IT. There was no action on his part from what I understand. Are you saying that you have nothing but 'glowing praise' for him? Are you saying he is not accountable for allowing this sick shit to go on when he was fully aware of the problem? Can you readily acknowledge that by Maharaji's lack of action regarding Jagdeo he is just as guilty of defiling those children as the perpetrator himself?

As far as your comment regarding premies not having the same issues as ex's, any premie out there who has children and is as normal as anyone else (meaning that their children come first before anything else, including M)would be absolutely OUTRAGED to learn that a sick bastard like Jagdeo lurked in their midst and I'm willing to bet they would most definitely hold Maharaji accountable for that. Disagree with me on that? Okay, go find a premie parent and ask them how they would feel if they found out that Jagdeo had been molesting their child--then please come back here and prove me wrong about this.

I may not be a fan of premies, but I have to say you have no right speaking for all premies. In this particular instance, you are stinking up the whole lot in your blind faith with nothing to back yourself up with.

Frankly, you're an asshole and if I were a premie I would be ashamed to be associated with the likes of you.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:28:34 (EDT)
From: Roger (No More Mr. Nice Guy) Drek
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: I hate you, JHB
Message:
Damnit, JHB. Your post was so kind and well written that it made my post sound full of rancor and hatred.

And everybody will think that I'm some kind of creep or something.

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 06:36:24 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Roger (No More Mr. Nice Guy) Drek
Subject: Why JHB was nice.
Message:
Hi Roger,

After drinking four bottles of Latvian beer you'd become nice too, in fact even Hannibal Lecter would become nice.

(Trouble is I can't figure out how he manages to type before it wears off and he returns to his bitter, hate filled self.)

Anth the Loather

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Date: Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:47:50 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Why JHB was nice.
Message:
After drinking four bottles of Latvian beer you'd become nice too, in fact even Hannibal Lecter would become nice.

(Trouble is I can't figure out how he manages to type before it wears off and he returns to his bitter, hate filled self.)

Years of practise. I will be happy to teach you if you can demostrate your sincerity, and if you have an open heart. The heart can be compared to the wallet, and an open wallet often serves as a guide to an open heart. So come to me, all you thisty, open your wallets, and purchase Latvian beer. Mine's a Zelta.

John the teacher of beer drinking.

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