Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 4
From: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 To: Fri, Sep 24, 1999 Page: 5 Of: 5


Captain Dave -:- Your input is needed -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:11:17 (EDT)
__ Captain Dave -:- Please grant me a boon, O Webmaster! -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:24:27 (EDT)

Jim -:- Great film moments -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:30:56 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- I wonder... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:12:59 (EDT)

Jim -:- Hey, there's an idea, Kim! -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:29:21 (EDT)
__ Elan Vital Monitor -:- Bad idea, Kim -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:01:47 (EDT)
__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Bad idea, Kim -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:01:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ Elan Vital Monitor -:- Butt, these ideas pass through a golden portal (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:49:34 (EDT)
__ __ Know It All -:- Re: Bad idea, Kim -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:52:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ Phred -:- Jagdeo -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 00:51:26 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gmom -:- really? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:57:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Phred -:- Re: really? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 16:38:29 (EDT)

CdM -:- while blathering with Phreak -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 08:13:52 (EDT)
__ Phreak -:- zzzzzzzz......... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 14:34:19 (EDT)
__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: zzzzzzzz......... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:06:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ Phreak -:- Mirror, mirror.... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:09:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Been there (Ben Lurking) -:- Re: Mirror, mirror.... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 22:49:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Play nice now phreak -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 13:46:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Forum Police Officer McGowan -:- Careful now, boys. This is an AOL family site. -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:29:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Careful now, boys. This is an AOL family site. -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:07:49 (EDT)
__ __ AJW -:- Linux and Unix -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:07:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ Phreak -:- Linux and Unix -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:08:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ Ben Posting (lurking) -:- Re: Linux and Unix -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:09:04 (EDT)
__ Runamok -:- Re: while blathering with Phreak -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:09:47 (EDT)
__ __ CdM -:- Re: while blathering with Phreak -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 12:21:09 (EDT)
__ __ Roger TeeVee Drek -:- ***Best of Forum*** for Runamok and CdM -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:07:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ Runamok -:- Re: ***Best of Forum*** for Runamok and CdM -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:24:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Roger E. Drek -:- Repetitive and boring, but vital -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 22:22:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Politically Correct/Repetitive and Boring -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 16:36:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Good point, Run -- as always (yawn..) -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 20:54:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- U2 Jim -:- Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 14:57:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger E. Drek -:- I think you've got it wrong -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 18:41:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- How does it work? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 23:09:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger Longest-Blathering-Ever Drek -:- Re: How does it work? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 03:37:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: How does it work? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 12:01:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger TV-Addict Drek -:- Re: How does it work? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 15:14:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Special request to Runamok -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:41:42 (EDT)
__ __ Gregg -:- WARNING! -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:56:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ barney -:- Re: WARNING! -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:45:49 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Download Updated! -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:54:23 (EDT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- More download! -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 09:58:00 (EDT)

Catweasel -:- Jamie's died his hair .. [Jim]??? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:26:34 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Cat gets serious -- and makes a fool of himself -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:11:56 (EDT)
__ __ Catweasel -:- Re: Cat gets serious -- and makes a fool of himself -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:48:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ Gee-Dub -:- How 'bout this, Mr. Catweasel, Suh? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 05:45:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: How 'bout this, Mr. Catweasel, Suh? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:11:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Bubbu the Clit -:- , Suh?Are you serious?? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 08:47:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Gee-Dub -:- Catweasel, don't know if you are funning us or not -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 17:50:43 (EDT)

Ben Lurking -:- god and heaven -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 00:52:35 (EDT)

Gerry -:- What if... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 17:21:08 (EDT)
__ Shp -:- Re: What if... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:54:56 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Where do you get your great wisdom, Shp? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:14:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- It's everywhere, just tap in -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:26:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ The NEW barney -:- I see Shp in a new light - handicapped. Teach me, Shp -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 18:00:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- The Barn needs another coat -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 07:44:50 (EDT)
__ nigel -:- Re: What if... -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:01:09 (EDT)
__ LdM -:- Re: Damn Good Wallop -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 06:56:02 (EDT)
__ __ bb -:- Re: Damn Good Wallop -:- Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:07:35 (EDT)
__ Mel Bourne -:- Re: What if... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 22:06:47 (EDT)
__ __ Grrrrrrrrrry -:- Re: What if... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 23:20:40 (EDT)
__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: What if... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 18:32:54 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- HeartMath -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 18:21:22 (EDT)
__ __ gerry -:- Re: HeartMath -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 19:03:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: HeartMath -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 20:26:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Freeze-Frame -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:31:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: Freeze-Frame -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:50:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: Freeze-Frame -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:06:10 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Get serious guys -:- Re: Freeze-Frame -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:56:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: Freeze-Frame -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:01:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: Freeze-Frame -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:38:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- The power of make-believe -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:48:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Hail, Mary -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:54:02 (EDT)

serendip -:- religion is... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:54:11 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Re: religion is... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 11:41:29 (EDT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Religion Story? -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 15:55:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ serendip -:- Re: Religion Story? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:48:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Re: Religion Story? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:50:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ serendip -:- Re: Religion Story? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:58:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Re: Religion Story? -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:44:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: serendip -:- Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 22:55:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ serendip -:- what's wrong with you? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 06:53:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Re: what's wrong with you? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:04:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: what's wrong with you? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:37:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Okay, whatever -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 22:34:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ serendip -:- reply to Jim -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:25:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ jim -:- it meant nothing, nothing at all -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:29:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: what's wrong with you? -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 09:59:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ serendip -:- apology accepted -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:29:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: apology accepted -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:46:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Maybe not so paranoid after all -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 14:12:41 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- The multiple poster -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 13:33:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: The multiple poster -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 14:04:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: The multiple poster -:- Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 22:50:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ dv -:- Re: Religion Story? -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 23:54:49 (EDT)
__ __ serendip -:- Re: religion is... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:13:17 (EDT)

MAHAraji? -:- The answer -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:53:58 (EDT)
__ microvolt -:- Re: The answer -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 14:20:56 (EDT)

Maharaji? -:- The answer -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:52:27 (EDT)

Enough -:- Drip?? -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:14:00 (EDT)
__ gmom -:- AJW's journey... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:45:13 (EDT)
__ __ barney being helpful -:- Link to AJW's journey -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 15:43:22 (EDT)
__ __ Enough -:- Re: AJW's journey... -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 13:32:17 (EDT)

gmom -:- Sports Illustrated -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 02:17:17 (EDT)

dv -:- FLABBERWOCKY -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 00:40:09 (EDT)
__ LdM -:- Re: FLABBERWOCKY -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:53:38 (EDT)
__ __ dv -:- Re: FLABBERWOCKY -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 23:38:53 (EDT)
__ Roger toes_E Drek -:- Stolen for Roger's Song & Poem collection -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:58:27 (EDT)
__ __ Roger latE Drek -:- Also finally got Larkin's Something in the air (nt) -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 04:20:05 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- Time for arti, brothers & sisters -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 00:20:05 (EDT)
__ barney -:- Problem: Yahoo says it is unavailable (nt) -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:08:52 (EDT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Try this embedded link then -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 08:49:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ Enough -:- Re: Try this embedded link then -:- Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:08:34 (EDT)


Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:11:17 (EDT)
From: Captain Dave
Email: david@xyzx.freeserve.co.uk
To: All
Subject: Your input is needed
Message:

Your input is needed on the Ex-premie Support mailing list. There are only a few subsribers to this list and any more will be greatly appreciated.

Click here to subscribe to the Ex-premie Support mailing list or for more details

This mailing list is for people to discuss Maharaji's cult and other aspects of the Hindu religion, in private.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:24:27 (EDT)
From: Captain Dave
Email: None
To: Captain Dave
Subject: Please grant me a boon, O Webmaster!
Message:
Is there any chance of getting the Ex-premie Support mailing list linked to this forum? There's plenty of people who need to talk but don't want to do it out here in the open.
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:30:56 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Great film moments
Message:
Karen Plaxton & Nina Shakespeare
Singapore

Name of a video?

Hiya...

Singapore calling... Just a quick one before we depart once more to the cold Northern wastes of Blighty....Does anyone around here/there know the name of a video that features Maharaji in Hindi (with Hindi song playing; it starts with the brilliant red sun rising from the horizon on the sea. I have seen it on a few occasions at Tamil and Hindi programmes... but each time I go to buy it. I am given something else.

Just wondering if anyone knows the name of it as I would like to order it from Visions. I have been told it is Sanjog... but I have this (twice) as it turns out to be another (equally beautiful) but English video.

I also wonder if any of you have seen Bhajanamirth Part 3 (Hindi)...music is great, scenes of life in India, really moving and a little nostalgic (thoughts of the events)....but the piece de resistance.....has to be the closing shots of Maharaji. He laughs so hard, he falls backwards and it is so infectious... What a joy to see him fall about laughing.

Speak to ya all soon

Kazzy and Nina

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:12:59 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I wonder...
Message:
Hi Jim,

I wonder if this is the same Nina Shakespeare, who used to live in South London.

If it is, she came along to a local programme for the first time, to listen to satsang in the 70s. She got to the hall early. It was in the days when, if Mr Singh was in town, the local premies would put a throne on the stage, and 'get ready' just in case he was driving through Streatham Hill, and decided to drop in.

Anyway, Nina knows nothing about all this. She's never been to a programme before. She sits and waits. A 'sister' comes up to her and says, 'Would you like to do some service'.

To cut a long story short, Nina ends up in the back of the stage, scrubbing the toilet, in case the master drops in for a piss.

You'd have thought she'd have got the message straight away wouldn't you?

Adios

Anth the Archivist.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:29:21 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hey, there's an idea, Kim!
Message:
Kim Skinner
Atlanta, Ga, USA

Inviting Maharaji

Local communities, try this:

Organize a monthly 'Expo' with a whole Sunday of video screenings, sampling new Visions music, videos, etc., refreshments, lending library use, idea sharing. Feature video screenings for different audiences at specified times throughout the day, invite Maharaji...schedule the monthly 'Expos' for the whole year, send Elan Vital and Maharaji the schedule!

(I hope my community goes for it!)

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:01:47 (EDT)
From: Elan Vital Monitor
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Bad idea, Kim
Message:
Kim,

First, JSCA! Glad you are enjoying Maharaji's beautiful gift. It is so beautiful, that experience hidden within our breath. We have much to be grateful for and we should strive to participate and show our gratitude to our Living Master, Maharaji.

Ideas are cheap, Kim. A positive cash flow is precious to our Living Master. Next time you get an idea in your evil mind consider writing a check to your Living Master instead.

Also, please remember that in this organization good ideas come from the top and flow down.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:01:45 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Elan Vital Monitor
Subject: Re: Bad idea, Kim
Message:
Kind of like plumbing - everything flows down hill and payday is Friday -viola you can now get Kirby's job.
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:49:34 (EDT)
From: Elan Vital Monitor
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Butt, these ideas pass through a golden portal (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:52:55 (EDT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Elan Vital Monitor
Subject: Re: Bad idea, Kim
Message:
Kim, You might also consider setting up a big donation box with a sign on top of it saying DONATE TO THE JAGDEO DEFENSE FUND. I bet the Big Guy himself would contribute!
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 00:51:26 (EDT)
From: Phred
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: Jagdeo
Message:
Speaking of Jagdeo, the main thing that I remember of him was him satsanging for HOURS in the Kittridge building in Denver in 76 (dear brothers and sisters..), until somebody listening from the back of the crowded room sang,
'Deo, Jag-deeeeeo, daylight come and me wan go home....'
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:57:46 (EDT)
From: gmom
Email: None
To: Phred
Subject: really?
Message:
Did someone have the guts to do that?

Did you ever hear the Lyle Lovett tune with the same theme?

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 16:38:29 (EDT)
From: Phred
Email: None
To: gmom
Subject: Re: really?
Message:
>Did someone have the guts to do that?

Yes, actually. Everybody cracked up except Jagdeo - he kept going for a while..

>Did you ever hear the Lyle Lovett tune with the same theme?

No, but I sure like that song.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 08:13:52 (EDT)
From: CdM
Email: None
To: Phreak and All
Subject: while blathering with Phreak
Message:
Hi,

I got into a short exchange with Mr. Phreak way way down the page. As I started writing to him I thought that most of what I was saying was intended for all. So rather than continue the thread way down there I thought I'd stick it up 'ere.

Mr. Phreak,

Thanks for the warning about the code. I was just about to press ENTER.

No, really I do most of my messing around on a Mac (as you can see from the header of my post). I do run PCs but I'm really not so smart with them. My most dangerous adventure with a PC was to edit something in the Registry to enable an ethernet link with a Mac. I'll take note of your DOS scrambling death code anyway. I may contemplate computer suicide on another day.

Phreak, if you've not been into this cult (you say it was your Dad who was), perhaps you wonder what the hell everyone is getting so worked up over. I can assure you to become an ex is not a pretty experience and most of us are actually quite messed up. Especially long term devotees. I started posting to this forum on a regular basis about three months ago and found that it really helped me to straighten out my head. However sometimes I get to feeling 'what the hell am I doing here'? Like everything in life I suppose, the forum will have it's highs and lows. I feel like I'm just reading through people's private mail where they reveal tidbits of their thoughts with no particular point.

I mentioned the thread about Shp and the bleachers. Shp is a premie who may or may not be sympathetic to some of the ex way of thinking. Now some folk think that he's on the fence and they think that they can help ease him down onto their side. Which side will he fall on? Is this a burning issue? Shp has been posting to the forum for ages. I recall him months before while I was still a lurker. To be frank I simply don't care what he does. All that seems to come from these protracted ramblings and constant questions and answer sessions is SPAM. It's a waste of my braincells. This might sound heartless but I'm not in the business of trying to save anyone's soul, especially Shp's. The existence of the ex-premie web pages serves as a WARNING sign to possible aspirants but I don't think the forum's best purpose is deprogramming gung-ho premies. It's for support of exes.

I'm used to the pattern used by computer software support groups, so before I started posting on Forum 3 I read all the FAQs as it were. I read through just about all of Ex-premie.org and also Jean Michell and Drek's pages. So you see, when I started posting here I didn't start up by asking a load of dumb questions that have been answered countless times before (well alright maybe a few).

But anyway, by the time I posted, I simply wanted to get a few references from other exes about where to go from here. How do I continue my life without the safety net of religion? Well, I got a few tips but what has been more important to me has been the warm hand of friendship outstretched towards me. It was most unexpected. It may seem pathetic but I have found a great deal of comfort in knowing that I wasn't the only sucker. I have had questions for years about M and K but because all my pals were premies I could never voice them because I'd be shouted down. I didn't want to fight with my friends so I just stayed schtum, locked up. Coming here smashed the case in which I had placed myself for maybe twelve years. It is definitely preferable to have contact in the darkness than to be all alone in the darkness.

In my opinion the most important thing about Forum 4 is the comfort and support that exes give each other. It is not the bloody nonsense of answering crazies who are effectively high-jacking conversation between exes. Most exes are in debate about the point of talking with premies and OK, I agree it can be of some use on occasions. But I've been watching the same subjects and Q&A sessions going round and around and around with these ghosts for months now. Despite the fact that I have a laugh at Jim's insults (he seems like the only person I know who can use the term motherfucker [a term I don't like BTW] effectively) I still find premie/ex banter a WEE bit boring. I feel no better off for having read them. In other words if this was all the forum offered, I'd be off.

I also notice the quantity of blank postings or links to other dodgy sites. This is why I had mistaken you Phreak. Many premies continually post links to bullshit sites and even some exes post links to other religious pages as an alternative to DLM/EV. I personally find redirections to Jesus and Buddha an affront to me. Besides, as Drek points out there's lashings of links to other related places of interest on his site. For research purposes only, I hope.

Anyway, you may wonder why I'm letting this off at you Phreak. Well I don't really know but you started it, hee hee! I guess I'm just blathering away but it may have been of interest.

Charles

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 14:34:19 (EDT)
From: Phreak
Email: None
To: CdM
Subject: zzzzzzzz.........
Message:
zzzzzz...oh sorry, mustave dozed off there.

Well yeah you sound pretty much like my old man when he gets on one, but since he just told me to be nice I'll smile politely and leave it at that.

Duh, I didn't notice your UserAgent Mac ID - must be slipping (my dad slapped me for that one - 'some codeslinger you'll make') but hey - you can spoof that stuff pretty easy anyway.

Blank pages? Oh pulease - go back and 'select all', you'll see the hidden text easy enuff. s'easy...fontcolor=#FFFFCC, like this:-

FUCK OFF!!!

Sorry you didn't like the urls, seemed like you lot needed cheering up a bit. Maybe I should visit one of 'their' sites and sniff out some dirt. What you reckon, they running Linux or Unix?

later dude;)

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:06:50 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Phreak
Subject: Re: zzzzzzzz.........
Message:
Here is my IP address phreak - have at destroying it.
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:09:53 (EDT)
From: Phreak
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Mirror, mirror....
Message:
on the wall.

Why would I want to frag my own phone line? Loopy Lurker!

Now take a look in Your Mirror!(Unless you be another MacCharlie)

Bet you know my old man (maybe you ARE my old man!!!)Hi Pop.
Got a fav h/p/a chatroom? I can feel the flames getting fanned already wiv this OT shit :0

Be nice (family motto)
:)

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 22:49:02 (EDT)
From: Been there (Ben Lurking)
Email: None
To: Phreak
Subject: Re: Mirror, mirror....
Message:
Thats not your phone line - try again junior Read the browser from daytime it tells you how I get here
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 13:46:55 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Been there (Ben Lurking)
Subject: Play nice now phreak
Message:
You shouldn't post links like that - good thing my unix machine doesn't recognize what you are trying to do. Naugthy boy. Now why don't you go play nice or play mean somewhere else.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:29:20 (EDT)
From: Forum Police Officer McGowan
Email: None
To: Been there (Ben Lurking)
Subject: Careful now, boys. This is an AOL family site.
Message:
Investigating a disturbance in Sector 5.

And I see that Phreak is running that fancy Version 0.0 TuringOS on one of them slick as shit Turing Machines.

Dispatch, can you send in a K-9 unit to run a track on the suspect? Suspect smells like teen spirit if you know what I mean.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:07:49 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Forum Police Officer McGowan
Subject: Re: Careful now, boys. This is an AOL family site.
Message:
same tired jerk whose using different names for every post. (not serendip, tho)

Plus, you're not even funny. Disruptive

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:07:27 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Phreak
Subject: Linux and Unix
Message:
Hi Phreak,

Linux and Unix, are they washing powders or margarine brands?

Anth the Anorak

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 20:08:55 (EDT)
From: Phreak
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Linux and Unix
Message:
Linux & Unix

They're diseases, like Anth-rax :)

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:09:04 (EDT)
From: Ben Posting (lurking)
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Linux and Unix
Message:
Linux is a Penguin supply company, Unix is a supply penguin company.
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:09:47 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: CdM
Subject: Re: while blathering with Phreak
Message:
Hi Charles.

I'm of the opinion that most of the premies who hang here have some inclination to leave M. Let's face it, almost of all of Miragey's people leave. He's counting on a minute per cent of people who are financially active to keep him in business.

Our 'argument machine' creates an excuse for premies to defend Miragey. At the very least, half of these premies online with us won't be with Mirage in 10 years and 90% won't be with him in 20. Minimally!! But they can get all their juices going by coming out to forum 4 and arguing and whether they leave later or not, it's too exciting an opportunity to pass up for some. Exactly the kinds of dogmatic preaching BS I might have gotten excited over when I received knowledge.

If it was less argumentative here, they would figure why they want to hang around faster. They would be forced to admit that they like it here.

I agree, religious postings are usually insulting, particularly anything resembling satsang. Obviously, there are sites for satsang that Miragey and his followers run. They don't allow our point of you. Banning, blocking or otherwise discouraging satsang needn't be an issue.

The arguments have served a purpose, and at times do serve a purpose. Unfortunately, we do not have a professional staff or unlimited funds to maintain several forums with DeLuxe features and a chat room. Of course, Miragey could if he wanted to, but he doesn't and isn't and there's no reason the meager contributions which fund this site should be used to support the 'rights' of premies to post satsang.

But then, if they are restricted in posting it, there won't be any reason to argue ad nauseum with them.

So if there is ever a purpose to the arguments in question, won't we lose something if 'motherfucker' and flaming insults are restricted?

No, because people can take it to 'Anything Goes'.

Bad TV is bad TV. But the 10th rerun of bad TV is REALLY bad.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 12:21:09 (EDT)
From: CdM
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: while blathering with Phreak
Message:
Hi Runamok,

I take your point.

My grumbling is on account of a 'spiritual headache' I've had for the last few days. I found the forum was making it worse.

Charlie

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 17:07:21 (EDT)
From: Roger TeeVee Drek
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: ***Best of Forum*** for Runamok and CdM
Message:
No, not that kind of TV!

I was going to make CdM's post alone a ***Best***, but Runamok copied it entirely and added some good stuff.

I think that I have some idea about what everyone is saying here and I'll add this. I assume that Runamok is talking about how boring and repetitive the arguing with premies can be. I agree. However, like TV with commercials and infomercials the idea is to repeatedly show the same again and again to get the message across to new viewers or slow viewers.

Yes, it does get boring for us, but it's a dirty job and somebody has got to do it.
***Best of Forum***

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 19:24:34 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Roger TeeVee Drek
Subject: Re: ***Best of Forum*** for Runamok and CdM
Message:
Honestly Mr Tee Vee,
I think we've come full circle and the agressive argument system has become more of a liability than an asset. There's some value to it, but it could have its little place on AG. It would fit there better, accompanied by funny and stupid postings of all varieties.

There's little room on the screen for extraneous posts with Paradise. Any attempts to promote intelligent life on F4 are necessary for contact with other beings, either new exes or current premies (and other interested parties).

Sometimes we are a cliquey in-crowd with special in-jokes and pre-established poitically correct opinions whose antitheses are met with flaming and good ol' boy style argument (i.e., without regard for the facts or due process).

Repetition and routine aren't hallmarks of creativity or intelligence. Dogma begets repetition. To be an open-ended support structure is to embrace a wider variety of opinion without sacrificing our raison d'etre (i.e., telling Miragey to fuckoff).

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 22:22:01 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Repetitive and boring, but vital
Message:
I disagree that arguing is counterproductive. Boring and repetitive, yes. But the premies who come here provide an excellent example of the rigid and unsupportable premie-think that is so pervasive in Maharaji's cult or any cult for that matter.

While you and other ex-premies have perhaps moved way beyond having thought patterns based on the programming of the cult, I still fall into that familiar philosophy as a way of looking at my life and life in general. Eventually, I might even fall into having doubts about my leaving the cult and Maharaji. I was in the cult for nearly 25 years and as I've said before I had some profound and beautiful (that word) experiences. However, it really fucked me up in the long run as it retarded my ability to live life based on reality versus the pie in the sky dream that Maharaji is selling.

Again, while it might be boring for the old timers, I believe that arguing and attempting to tear down the programmed belief system of premies is vital to ex-premies, aspirants, the public, and maybe even active premies. I have no expectations that some of these hardcore premies will ever see it our way and I really don't care. Yet, having a public forum where the fallacy of their belief system can be exposed is an excellent example and starting point for people who are considering leaving the cult.

As for the utility of such arguments being passe or of little use because we have moved on, I would say that it is very likely that the population of lurkers visiting the Forum is dynamic rather than static. Therefore, for the new lurkers it is vital to have an ongoing public debate as repetitive as it might be. Ultimately, challenging the rigid and unsupportable cult thinking is a critical process in escaping the cult.

The Forum is fortunate, as much as I regret saying that, to have such a constant cadre of dedicated brainwashed premies to provide the example of how utterly ridiculous the cult is.

Finally, it is not like you cannot change the channel to avoid reading the arguments.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 16:36:08 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Roger E. Drek
Subject: Politically Correct/Repetitive and Boring
Message:
If they were Nazi prison guards, they would share their little share of Adolph Hitler's insanity. But as far as Joe Premie goes, he's a victim who doesn't know it or doesn't want to admit it. Badgering most of them is totally counterproductive and turns them away. Posting guidelines against satsang would affect the same psychological advantages.

As it is, premies have to choose to have Jim as their personal deprogrammer if they are to come over online with us. And all that can do is slow them down.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 20:54:05 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Good point, Run -- as always (yawn..)
Message:
As it is, premies have to choose to have Jim as their personal deprogrammer if they are to come over online with us. And all that can do is slow them down.

Many, many people have aksed me 'What the hell is with that guy?' They're talking about you, Run. They're talking about you. Do you have any idea how bitter and obsessed you sound? Like, for some strange reason, you just can't leave me alone. I'm tired of it and I'm tired of you. Fuck off.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 14:57:00 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: U2 Jim
Message:
Gee Jim,
I forgot that you are the resident authority figure now that we've left Miragey. Maybe it's because I was gone from Mirage for so long before the internet. Or maybe it's because I disagree with you so often that I feel obliged to post a tiny little notice at the bottom of the forum in case any of these people are actually reading.

I'd hate for people to think that they should credit Dawkins with theorizing the selfish gene theory in order to leave Miragey.

Or that they have to be atheists.

Or that they can't like meditating.

In fact, they can and should leave Miragey even if they think you're some kind of control freak.

By the way, you weren't online on USV in '89 were you?

I guess a few things have happened before you and without you. Ex-premies hooking up on the Internet would have happened without you and will continue to happen if and when you ever leave.

In fact, it would probably increase in numbers.

Just a thought.:>}

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 18:41:57 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: I think you've got it wrong
Message:
While I have no evidence other than my own personal experience of leaving the cult assisted by the Forum, I would say that your assumption of all premie victims leaving Maharaji having to go through Jim as their deprogrammer first is incorrect.

Sure, some premies have arrived on the Forum and started posting and got beat up. However, for myself and any reasonably sane person who is a premie to visit the Forum the first visit might most likely be as a lurker to do a little intelligence gathering. And such lurking might be to safely read the Journeys and other available materials like CdM mentioned about reading FAQs for software support.

Then comes following the Forum as a lurker. And here is where the arguing comes into play because all that brainwashed thinking is exposed. Sure, Jim gets pissed, but for Jim and others it gets pretty frustrating to keep hearing that 1 + 1 = 3 and then when pressed they'll say that they never said that. Again, for the reasonably astute fence sitter they very well might see the pattern of premie-think, a pattern that they are actually familiar with through personal experience.

No, there is no hope of deprogramming the hardcore regulars who come around here. It is absurd to even consider such. Yet, the hardcore have time and time again provided such excellent examples of premie-think that they are invaluable.

Run, how long have you been out of the cult? Did ex-premie.org get you out?

Again, I will adamantly say that the one of the first steps in getting out of the cult is to realize how absurd premie-think is. And the so-called arguing effectively does that. While the arguing may no longer appeal to you or interest you, I personally believe that premies need to see how ridiculous and flimsy their position is. Unfortunately, such an examination might be painful and full of denial. After all, we're talking years and years of indoctrination.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 23:09:57 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Roger E. Drek
Subject: How does it work?
Message:
Hi Barney,

I don't doubt that you've had the experiences in your life that you say you did. However, I am curious as to how you explain them. Do you think it was because you believed that M was LOTU and it gave you this great rush? Do you think there really is something to these techniques? Is it all a placebo? Etc. etc. etc. I think you're a smart guy who's got a lot on the ball. I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on this.

I've had some great changes in consciousness too. I'm certain that brain chemistry is at the root of it. Now if I can just figure out how to manipulate that chemistry (without drugs or faith in a Supreme Power In Human Form), I could put my head in some nice spaces. I think that would be nice.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 03:37:00 (EDT)
From: Roger Longest-Blathering-Ever Drek
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: How does it work?
Message:
Hey, I'm not barney - I'm Drek.

I think you're a smart guy who's got a lot on the ball.

Gee, thanks! Wish my parole officer saw me that way.

Well, I did meditation long before I ran into B.M. My first was completely self-taught where I picked up some Yoga book and did this relaxation thing was quite powerful. In fact, when I received Big K I was disappointed that I did not experience what I experienced with the home brew. And I did a 18 months of TM before I ran into Maharaji.

I think that it's important to understand that the word on the streets was that Maharaji could put you THERE instantaneously. And for a TM'er that was the goal getting there. Actually, TM had a number of levels starting with Cosmic Consciousness, then was it Universal Consciousness, and maybe there was more after that. At TM weekend intensive I was at there was a group of people speaking in hushed voices about Maharaji and they said that he could put you THERE, but it wasn't permanent.

Anyway, in '73 I went to B.M. and later got the Big K.

I think that there is an experience behind many meditations whether it is bio-chemistry or brain waves or a combo or something else. At this point in time I do not feel that it is big magic. Rather it is inherent (like he said, 'you already have it'.)

So, let's get to the part where we talk about interactive experience around Maharaji. Although, I don't know that much about psychology I have heard that there is like a third space that people create when they come together. The first requirement is that the participants desiring an experience has expectations, maybe some pre-created concepts, past experiences, and whatever. And something does happen. And I suspect and believe that there might be something like a group brainwave effect.

Also, in the case of Maharaji he carefully crafts the venue to facilitate the experience. Yes, there are examples of hitch-hikers being passed by a car driven by Maharaji, but in such cases the experiencer may just be responding in a Pavlovian fashion. So, you craft a venue, you got your suckers waiting with their expectation, you show up a little or a lot late to further the anticipation or maybe you don't even show up just so you can get them even better the next time. Like any good stage entertainer you know it's best to leave while the audience still wants more. You certainly do not want the audience to be bored and tired of your act. Such might have been seen at the Kissimee all nighter.

Of course, I need to do a little CYA and say that in Maharaji's world today that HE appears on stage at a very precise time coordinated atomically.

As I blather on and on consider that there are known techniques to craft the venue for a desired effect. For example, Hitler (no, I'm not comparing Maharaji to Hitler, but...) would do his little speeches in packed rooms with the heating turned up to probably wear people out a bit and to get them excitable.

Go to a rock concert, classical music, any kind of music, a political rally, a sports event. It's all carefully crafted to help get you off in a certain way. Hell, when you're doing that dating thing you clean up your dirty bachelor pad and have the lights set low and you got that special music playing.

Well, you get the picture.

Speaking of synchronicity! Just today I was driving down the highway and the thought occurred to me about somehow controlling the brain via whatever. The original thought was fired off when I saw a billboard on a bus that was proclaiming a new TV show about cops and medics on the night shift. Well, the picture of the actors shows men and women all dressed in their uniforms with their serious pretty little faces. No older people. No bald guys or gray haired folks. One black guy. One cute woman with a stethiscope. One woman who looked to be the gay tough bitch. No blonds or redheads. All the guys had square jaws. Yeah, like these beautiful young Hollywood types have a clue.

I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!

It was then that I became very grateful for the simple fact that I don't have a fucking TV because you're just setting yourself up for some pervert freak drug addict down in L.A. or Malibu to manipulate your ass with that Hollywood crap. And then Mr. Adman comes in for the kill just when they got you in a weakened state of mind between psycho-dramas to be continued next week. You're too busy to have a life because your DayPlanner is all filled up with TV shows that you've just got to watch because you've invested so many weeks watching some damn show that's going to be cancelled unless you start a grass roots letter writing campaign on the Internet.

Kill your television!

Just in the damn poster you could see the various relationships that the writers were going to play with and the various quirky personalities and blah, blah.

Television is the opiate of the masses.

So, then (as I blather on endlessly) you got I think it was Huxley's Brave New World (BNW) with the pneumatic women and the Feelies. And you've got various movies like Brainstorm. Now, where Brainstorm you put on this helmet and are actually within a visual 3-D scene with feelings, I'm not sure exactly what the Feelies were in BNW.

The revolution will not be televised.

So, are visuals within the inner movie required to arrive at the desired state? Maybe not.

So, with all this fancy thinking in mind I decided that I would perform an experiment in my laboratory. So, off I was to a seedier part of town where I copped a bag of black tar skag. Found a slightly used rig in a dumpster behind a hospital. Hurried over to the Greyhound bus station. Paid 50 cents (or two quid) to use the toilet. Cooked it, slammed it and stopped nodding an hour later with my shirt and pants all covered with my own drool.

Who the hell needs Hollywood or Bollywood when you've got the good Dr. Benway dispensing God's Own Medicine?

So, what's the question?

P.S. In the future we'll all be too busy to watch TV because we'll be spending so much time appearing on each other's television shows as guests.

Or Else

Bill Gates saves us all!

P.P.S. Shp, you'd better stay the hell out of this one! Not even a single peep, you little creep!

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 12:01:29 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Roger Longest-Blathering-Ever Drek
Subject: Re: How does it work?
Message:
Barney, I mean Drek.... hey, how come I never see you guys around at the same time? Could I be onto something? Hmm. But okay, I'll let it drop. I agree with pretty much everything you said. Ain't that a surprise? Yes, I figured out what you were saying!!! Even through the drool and that silly smile you were wearing in the last stall of the men's room, I understood what you were saying. I was a little disturbed by that needle dangling from your arm though. But everything you said made perfect sense. Except about TV.

The TV is connected to the VCR and I don't know where I'd be without Blockbuster Video. I love good acting, good cinematography, good soundtracks, etc. etc. I'm a movie buff. But I do agree about these beautiful young actors' not having a clue. That's why I tune into E! on cable to see what a mess their real lives are. These people are fucked up, dude. Like Chris Rock said at the MTV awards, 'I can't wait to see which one of the Backstreet Boys are gonna get Britney Spears pregnant!'

But yeah, it all depends on where your head is at. More and more understanding of the brain/mind connection is cropping up everyday. I figure, 50, 100 years from now, all gurus will be out of business because of it. The key is just educating people enough so they have a clearer picture of what's going on. And that's probably gonna happen on the Discovery channel.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 15:14:24 (EDT)
From: Roger TV-Addict Drek
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: How does it work?
Message:
Hey, Jerry,

Thanks for reading that and understanding it.

I'm in a 12 Step program to get me off the TV habit. Everytime I ever get a TV, even a 12 inch BW, it all starts off so innocently with the evening news with Uncle Walt and 60 Minutes on Sunday night. Then I'll add the really good comedies and some PBS stuff. Pretty soon I'm completely strung out and watching reruns of Clutch Cargo.

You're right a VCR helps. I'm considering getting a DVD player for the puter.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:41:42 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Special request to Runamok
Message:
Will you shut up already?

Your chronic post-Maharaji drip is giving my sinuses sympathetic symptoms. You just keep on droning on and on and on about how boring arguing with premies is. Do you have any idea who boring that becomes?

By the way, I DO trust Patty, who I know, over you any day. Enough said.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:56:33 (EDT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Charles
Subject: WARNING!
Message:
Good point about this site serving as a warning to aspirants. Aspirants, eager to learn about this bright and happy new path on which they are about to embark, often look around for info. I'm sure some of them find us here. And I'm sure most of them are not deterred.

But some of them are. I wish I had had the opportunity of cyberchatting with exes back in the seventies. Especially these days, knowing about Maharaj Ji's wild claims and outrageous behavior (for a Lord of the Universe, anyway), an aspirant may very well consider thinking twice before leaping.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:45:49 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Re: WARNING!
Message:
I remember when I got sucked in back in '74. Saw Maharaji at a public program and he said that he could show me some big inner experience. Not else was said about him or the organization. I don't believe there was much LOTU talk either, although the stage was quite garish.

Was told to show up the next day to hear more. Was told to keep showing up to hear more.

So, more and more you get led down the slippery slope and the brainwash is poured into your head.

How different it would have been had there been the Internet and the ex-premie.org site to get an overview immediately.

And, having exited recently, the current mode of getting new people is really the same if not more subtle starting out with those lame intro videos.

No where except ex-premie.org and the sister websites can you get the whole story before jumping in.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:54:23 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Download Updated!
Message:
The download archives of my website have all been updated today:

Download Page

You can now have the current

Elan Vital - DLM Papers website on your own computer (PC OR Mac), and/or save it on 4 1.2MB disks.

No need to be online to read it.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 09:58:00 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: More download!
Message:
You can also now download the booklet

Shri Hans Ji Maharaj, as a word file

Articles for Download

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 04:26:34 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Jamie's died his hair .. [Jim]???
Message:
Oh I 'm so glad the lithium worked Jamie. I guess after all you did and the troubles you suffered, a little hair dye is really no big deal.So glad your now on the right side of the law Jamie [or are you?] Anyway if anyone was going to understand the criminal mind Jamie ,that was always going to be you ole buddy......Keep Punchin you legend.[in your own lunchtime]
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:11:56 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Cat gets serious -- and makes a fool of himself
Message:
Cat,

Go back to your infantile tantrums, bud. What you've got happening here is a big, fat mistake. Not only am I not the guy you think I am, you've never had a good reason to think so no matter why you have. So, here you are, jumping the gun and making a fool of yourself. Makes you sound even more like an idiot.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:48:52 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: COOL FOR CATS!!!
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Cat gets serious -- and makes a fool of himself
Message:
Now come on serious Jim, you know what we are talking about! I don't want to have to put you through the rigors of a serious cross-examination Jamie! Don't think a new name ,a Canadian address,talk of aband and a fulsome career as a PROSECUTOR fools any of us who were really there Jamie.....
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 05:45:32 (EDT)
From: Gee-Dub
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: How 'bout this, Mr. Catweasel, Suh?
Message:
Mr. Catweasel,

My friends and I have come to the conclusion that you are one heckuva a fine upstanding gentleman. In fact, you is way beyond these folks here at this little ol' ex-premie forum.

I'd like you to consider mah suggestion to give some other folks a little o' your brand of hell raising. There is plenty of rumors about the Big Guy for you to have a field day and give him shit the way you been giving Jim shit. And don't hold back on the Big Guy. He IS one bad hombre.

Some Bad Cattle Rustlers

Hell, you kin even email them right now at:

Email the Big Guy
Email the other bad fella

While you're at it might as well talk dirty to their wives:

Wife of the Big Guy
Wife of the Little Guy

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:11:24 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Gee-Dub
Subject: Re: How 'bout this, Mr. Catweasel, Suh?
Message:
same name changing jerk
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 08:47:35 (EDT)
From: Bubbu the Clit
Email: None
To: Gee-Dub
Subject: , Suh?Are you serious??
Message:
Hey Bubba;wrap your lips around this fine cuban !Now you know I'ze NEVER inhale. You heed my directions for the good of mankind and suck on this one baby! You know in my earlier days whilst sojouring in Canada between Drafts I got to meet that fine figure of a man , that Jamie Heller. What the hell ...er happened to that good ole boy after his operation...Frontal labotomy wasn't it? I hear he's dyed his blonde locks? Hell no I ain't doing no dye .Now suck on this baby!!!
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 17:50:43 (EDT)
From: Gee-Dub
Email: None
To: Bubbu the Clit
Subject: Catweasel, don't know if you are funning us or not
Message:
Cat,

I can't tell if you're just funning us or you're getting too far out there.

I know that you miss your buddy Rob and you're looking to make some new friends, but...

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 00:52:35 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: All
Subject: god and heaven
Message:
One day in Beverly Hills a woman named Shirley
had a heart attack and was taken to Cedars Sinai
hospital. While on the operating table, she had a
near-death experience.

She saw God and asked, 'Is this it?'

God said, 'No, you have another 30 to 40 years
to live.'

Upon her recovery, she decided to stay in the
hospital and have collagen shots, cheek implants,
a face lift, liposuction and breast augmentation.
She even had someone dye her hair, figuring
she had another 30 to 40 years, she might as well
make the most of it.

She walked out of Cedars Sinai lobby after the
last operation and was killed by an ambulance
speeding up to the hospital.

She arrived in front of God and said, 'I thought
you said I had another 30 to 40 years?'

God replied, 'Shirley! I didn't recognize you!'

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 17:21:08 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: What if...
Message:
What if we treated the premies who come here as people with handicaps? (which in a sense they are) I mean, we wouldn't trip up a person with MS or spit on someone with aids, would we?

It's fun to exercise our newly recovered brain power, and I'm starting to think that almost every premie who comes here is looking to be deprogrammed, even if it's only subconsciously. Maybe there is a better way to treat our guests other than walloping them.

I know I've been one of the worst offenders in the past, but thankfully I've developed a little more emotional intelligence lately. Of course, it's good and necessary to challenge a person's cult thinking, but really, there's no need to attack them personally.

Yup, this really is gerry and I've made these changes for real. I'd never been able to do it without the help of The Heartmath Solution.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:54:56 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: What if...
Message:
Gerry,

It is said that sympathy and cruelty go hand in hand. Also, the handicapped folks I know don't want special treatment. As my NJ neighbor Bruce Springsteen says: 'Everybody has a hungy heart.'

All people need and deserve love and consideration. I would not want to be mollycoddled or dealt with in a condescending or muffled way.... Just respect for the person and let the issue get kicked around, not kick around the person being conversed with, that's all.

Whatever the case, you are bringing an enjoyable and hopeful breath of fresh air.

Shp

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:14:59 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Where do you get your great wisdom, Shp?
Message:
It is said that sympathy and cruelty go hand in hand.

Did you just pull this out of the guru jokebook? Or do you have one of those new Shpper Image New Age Contradiction Generators?

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:26:24 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It's everywhere, just tap in
Message:
Even though you asked in cynicism and your signature inimitable cutting wit
I will answer you with patience and calm

Sympathy and empathy are not the same.
When you do a 'poor boby' on somebody
Just wait, because somebody's gonna be nasty
Because sympathy is not wanted by anyone.
Semantics aside, nobody wants to be felt sorry for.
They just want things set straight and no more bullshit.

Thrust parry thrust parry
Talking with you is tiresome
Because you always have a veiled smoldering
Trip just around the corner.
See ya later.

Shp

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 18:00:16 (EDT)
From: The NEW barney
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: I see Shp in a new light - handicapped. Teach me, Shp
Message:
Shp,

What a fool I've been not to see you as you are - handicapped. Please help understand the great wisdom you have to offer.

I am weak and will often regress and bark back at you, but I am sincere.

Jim is bad. Bad, bad Jim.

Shall we adjourn to the Sheep Channel to get away from bad people and their smoldering trip?

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 07:44:50 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Newly painted Barn
Subject: The Barn needs another coat
Message:
Shp,

What a fool I've been not to see you as you are - handicapped. Please help understand the great wisdom you have to offer.

>We are all handicapped in one way or another, yes?

I am weak and will often regress and bark back at you, but I am sincere.

>Yeah, me too, but I don't bite back as often as I used to. Getting better all the time..

Jim is bad. Bad, bad Jim.

>No, Jim ain't bad, he just behaves badly so much and so often that he cops heads around here.
Kind of like a spoiled child who nobody housebroke. I thnk he's a very bright person with very strong convictions in which he sincerely beilieves. Unfortunately, he's also rude, crude, ugly and impolite

Shall we adjourn to the Sheep Channel to get away from bad people and their smoldering trip?

>Nah, too early in the morning. Maybe later. Can't take rejection this early in the morning. hohoho
Thanks for pointing out the fact that I am getting my head copped again. I will refocus on the issues.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 07:01:09 (EDT)
From: nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: What if...
Message:
What if we treated the premies who come here as people with handicaps?

Sounds reasonable - or at least treat them as you would other sufferers from delusional thinking. Seriusly, how else should they expect to be treated?

If we didn't know for sure that the Cat was intelligent, rational and articulate, his current paranoid diatribes about Jim would look a bit like amphetamine psychosis.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 06:56:02 (EDT)
From: LdM
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: Damn Good Wallop
Message:
Hi Gerry

Of course, it's good and necessary to challenge a person's cult thinking, but really, there's no need to attack them personally.
***

In my short experience of being an ex premie, I have been startled and also saddened by the extent to which premies will wriggle and squirm to maintain the master/slave relationship. Letting loose with a close premie friend of mine resulted in a barrage of cult thinking that made little sense to me. The discussion became really heated when it was disclosed that the premie had never thought maharaji was God. I couldn't believe it! Is that one of the main maharaji Apologia's?

Because of further similar personal encounters, I have been coming round to thinking that it is pointless engaging in personal attacks and disputes. Doesn't seem to get anywhere. Neither does general discussion! Instead I have been hurt and made confused by premies who seem to want to deny everything. It's hard not to take their reactions personally - but when I look at it objectively, the cause of it all comes to rest at the lotus feet of good old MJ himself. If only I could get close enough to give him a damn good walloping!

Lee

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Date: Thurs, Sep 16, 1999 at 09:07:35 (EDT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: LdM
Subject: Re: Damn Good Wallop
Message:
You are helping out your friends.
They may say all that but it is also cracking
thier foundation for them to hear themselves say that stuff.
The programming blurts out and with it the zealotry and
they later must -maybe subconciously- squirm.

Your words went in thier head and I bet they will
have an effect.

You cant yank someone out of quicksand, it will break
thier bones. You at least showed them for a moment
that they were in quicksand and they lied to a friend!

Thier denial and your catching them with the lie
has an effect. Good for you for trying to unlock their
handcuffs. Try it again later.

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 22:06:47 (EDT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: What if...
Message:
Hi Gerry

....Maybe there is a better way to treat our guests other than walloping them.....I know I've been one of the worst offenders in the past, but thankfully I've developed a little more emotional intelligence lately...

I'm pleased to hear this Gerry, keep developing!

Mel

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 23:20:40 (EDT)
From: Grrrrrrrrrry
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Re: What if...
Message:
Thank you Melby, and to think I did it all without Gooby!!!

You fuckin' guys are testing me.!!!!!

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 18:32:54 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: What if...
Message:
Reminds me of the time I jokingly yelled at a bunch of landscapers 'don't forget green side up' and they were all disadvantaged. I didn't so good about that one. But some of these premies can make your blood boil. why do they come around anyway?
Premies why do you come around?
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 18:21:22 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: HeartMath
Message:
Hi Gerry,

I just did some reading about HeartMath. I'm very interested in learning more, particularly what the techniques are. Can you learn them from a book? I hope so. I'm not really interested in attending any seminars if that's the only route.

As far as walloping premies go, you might have a point. It depends on how much you feel like letting loose on someone that you feel is lying to you and himself. Usually, I think that premies are okay people. I think we all became premies because we wanted something better. Most premies I've known were kind, gentle people. I never dealt with any that weren't, to be honest.

The biggest crime in being a premie, I think, is living a lie. It's annoying and confusing when premies continue living that lie here on the forum. Don't they know that we once lived that lie ourselves? Sometimes you just want to tell them to go fuckoff. I don't see any harm in it.

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 19:03:51 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: HeartMath
Message:
Jerry,

The basic techniques are simple and yeah, I did learn them from the book The HeartMath Solution which I purchased from Amazon.com.

I like the book and recommend it because it gives you a good grounding in the scientific evidence for why it works. I suppose there are seminars, but the book is sufficient.

It also helps the problem of 'overcaring' Katie and some others mentioned they suffered from.

Later tonight I'll post the 'Freeze-Frame' technique. After all, I never promised to 'Not reveal the techniques...'

(Right now I'm sorely in need of a shower and some libations after working in the 95 degree heat in my dusty, dirty garage--installing a new pedestrian door and a window.)

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 20:26:33 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: HeartMath
Message:
Later tonight I'll post the 'Freeze-Frame' technique.

Oh my Guru Gerry, I dedicate my life to... oh excuse me. You're not THAT guru. Seriously, that would be great if you did that. I look forward to it. Thanks for the title of the book. I'm probably going to pick it up. From what I've read, it looks like HeartMath has been thoroughly researched and is rooted in a deep understanding of brain physiology. I just hope it doesn't veer off into new-age think that's neither here nor there as to what is actually transpiring.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:31:43 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: glyng@techline.com
To: Jerry
Subject: Freeze-Frame
Message:
1. Recognize the stressful feeling and Freeze-Frame it! Take a time out.

2. Make a sincere effort to shift your focus away from the racing mind or disturbed emotions to the area around your heart. Pretend you're breathing throught the heart to help focus your energy in this area. Keep your focus there for ten seconds or more.

3. Recall a positive, fun feeling or time you've had in life and try to experience it.

4. Now, using your intuition, or common sense, and sincerity, ask your heart, What would be a more efficient response to the situation, one that would minimize future stress?

5. Listen to what your heart says in answer to your question. (it's an effective way to put your reactive mind and emotions in check and an inhouse source of commonsense solutions!)

GL- That's verbatim from the book. Don't let the simplicity of this fool you. It's very powerful. It helps to read the book to flesh this out.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 15:50:01 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: Freeze-Frame
Message:
Thanks, Gerry. All I can say is I'll try it and see what effect it has. And if it works, fine and good. If not, I'll try Jim's helpful suggestion and draw smiley faces on pictures of hearts. Like you, I've already tried the Hail Marys.

This sounds a little like The Power Of Focusing, a technique where you focus your attention on your body, around the throat, chest, and abdomen areas, and through what you feel or sense there work your way to a sense of well-being. There's a very new age philosophy surrounding this technique, but I've found you can edit that stuff out and still benefit.

Thanks again for posting the freeze-frame technique. There's a lot of evidence that it works. It's helped a lot of people in the work place cope better with their jobs, and tests performed on students have shown it's beneficial effects as well.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:06:10 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: Freeze-Frame
Message:
You're welcome, Jerry. I see no reason why it wouldn't work for anyone.

The authors avoid new age lingo and go to great lengths to present reproducible evidence in presenting their case.

Of course, they're no match for the indepth analysis and critique of someone like Jimbo. He sees through this stuff 'in a heartbeat.'

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:56:25 (EDT)
From: Get serious guys
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: Freeze-Frame
Message:
This doesn't sound very scientific to me.
What is 'focusing your energy in the area of the heart'???
What energy? Psychic energy? What exactly is that?

what is 'using you intution...'? does it give correct answers?

I wouldn't trust this technique, it sounds like New Age flummery to me. how can this be based in sound neuropsychological research???

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 16:01:00 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Get serious guys
Subject: Re: Freeze-Frame
Message:
I wouldn't trust this technique, it sounds like New Age flummery to me. how can this be based in sound neuropsychological research???

If you really want to know and have the time to do some reading on it, Check this out.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:38:34 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Get serious guys
Subject: Re: Freeze-Frame
Message:
It would be nice to know with whom I'm discussing this before I invest anymore 'psychic energy.'
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:48:46 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: The power of make-believe
Message:
Gerry,

This might 'work' but so does chanting so many 'Hail Marys'. Next, they'll ask you to get out a medical encyclopaedia and draw smiley faces on all the pictures of the heart.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 12:54:02 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hail, Mary
Message:
Thanks for the opportunity to 'practise.' I could feel my blood pressure rising at your shallow and flippant response and of course, my well ingrained neuropathways were prompting me to respond in default mode which is to blast back.

I Freeze-Framed and regain a sense of composure and am now able to respond in a much calmer, reasoned way.

One thing I learned recently is that no matter what the theory, idea or opinion, there are books and people out there to oppose it and they can be equally convincing.
In view of these conflicting opinions, I try things out and see what works. That's the best method I've found for sorting these things out.

I tried out the Hail Marys years ago and they didn't do much for me. But thanks for the suggestion

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:54:11 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: All
Subject: religion is...
Message:
religion is:

'Opium for the people' (Karl Marx)
'The universal defence mechanism' (Sigmund Freud)
'A virus of the mind' (Richard Dawkins)

or is there anything else to it?

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 11:41:29 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Re: religion is...
Message:
Religion is .... never having to say you're sorry.
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 15:55:56 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Religion Story?
Message:
Jim,

I know you're just spoofing Love Story, but in actuality, religion is ALWAYS saying you're sorry. The first thing religion teaches you is that you're a sinner, and for that you should be very, very sorry, a penitent. Beg God's forgiveness and mercy, sinner, or woe is thee! Repent!

Religion is FEAR. We've been taught that the consequence of not believing in God and serving him is eternal damnation. So, deep in our subconscious is the fear of God's wrath should we ever doubt or displease him.

Religion is POLITICS, a way to keep the masses under control through the use of fear tactics. The Catholic church did it for centuries and to some extent still does.

Religion has some benefit by giving people a sense of community, but outside of that, I think it sucks.

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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:48:14 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: Religion Story?
Message:
Jerry, I agree with you, but Jim, did you let Jerry speak on your behalf? Is that it? You were just spoofing Love Story?
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:50:18 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Re: Religion Story?
Message:
Yes
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:58:54 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Religion Story?
Message:
why?
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 21:44:57 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Re: Religion Story?
Message:
why not?
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Date: Tues, Sep 14, 1999 at 22:55:07 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: serendip
Message:
Serendip has the same browser set up as 'Elan Vital Monitor' and another person who interjected his comments into the 'What if' thread I started. I wonder how many more names have this same browser set up and if they are the same person. I really don't care to converse with a chameleon and distrust someone (anyone) who consistently keeps changing their name. Of course, this may be more than one person, but it's starting to look like another pestilent character out to disrupt the flow of communication.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 06:53:32 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: what's wrong with you?
Message:
Gerry,
you are paranoid, pal. I am not 'Elan Vital Monitor' or any orther interjector. Try to be a bit more polite!
I'm an ex-premie, most definitely so. Why would I want to 'disrupt the flow of communication'?? I posted an honest post, about my general distrust of religion - which is where I've landed as a result of being exposed to M's cult. I expected some comments about this, since I think it must be a problem for many ex-premies - ia all religion bullshit or not?
Instead, I received a strange answer from Jim, when I ask him why he answers like that, he replies 'why not?'. and now you are suggesting I'm trying to 'disrupt the flow of communication'!!! Whose communication, yours and Jim's? Why shouldn't I be allowed to post here as well as you? I am an ex-premie as much as you two. Really by behaving this way, you will not accomplish much more than frightening people away from this site. I think both you and Jim owe me an apology.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:04:49 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Re: what's wrong with you?
Message:
Serendip,

While I udnerstand your dismay at Gerry for jumping the gun -- again! -- and falsely accusing someone, apparently you, this time, of something, what the fuck are you talking about that I owe you an apology? Here, let me explain myself further:

??????????????

Like, what the hell 'you talking, boy? I make a little joke and you don't get it and keep bugging me to explain myself. Lordy, lordy, lordy..... that ain't fun, now is it?

So Gerry owes you an apology? Well, you owe me an apology for saying I owe you an apology. Now, no one move fast or we're all going to get killed. I say Gerry, put the gun down, Serendip, you put yours down too. When I see that you've both done that, well, I'll put mine down (trust me, okay?) and we can all walk out of here alive. Okay?

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:37:40 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: what's wrong with you?
Message:
Jim,

I made a MISTAKE, it was not 'jumping the gun' I misread his browser type. Christ!

There IS an interjector changing names with almost every post. Serendip's browser matches except the last two letters. Sorry serendip. I was getting blurry eyed looking for more aliases with the same IP.

One of the forum rules (unwritten) is to stick with a single name. Humorous and occasional exceptions are OK. I seem to recall you saying something similiar about changing names all the time. It is annoying and disruptive as you don't know who is saying what or who you are responding to.

YOU jumped the gun this time.

And serendip deserves an answer to his question. My answer is yes, I think all religions are bullshit and usually harmful.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 22:34:50 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Okay, whatever
Message:
Well, Ger, mistake or not, the fact is you did accuse the wrong guy. But, to your credit, you weren't too harsh on him. I see that. Also, you're absolutely right about the issue itself. It's stupid to not know who you're talking to. As if plain old anonymity wasn't enough.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:25:50 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: reply to Jim
Message:
Jim,
Gerry at least apologized for his overreaction. Look,
I have been lurking for some time, and managed to get the courage to post something. I didn't get your joke - I've never seen Love Story, I'm not American, and I don't watch American movies very much - and I asked you what you meant.

I expected an answer to my question to you, about what you meant, but didn't get one. I noticed several times that you always demand people to answer your questions.

Obviously, you apply other rules to yourself than to others.

I made an honest post, and was immediately kicked in my head. How do you think that feels? Don't you think I'll think twice before posting here again? Or suggest somebody else to write?

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:29:54 (EDT)
From: jim
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: it meant nothing, nothing at all
Message:
it was a joke. get it? like jer says, playing off an old movie called love story. lighten up.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 09:59:44 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Re: what's wrong with you?
Message:
You're right, and I apologize. You're browser doesn't match. You have NT and EVM is windows 95. All these new fake names don't make me paranoid. I just don't care to spend time responding to some one I might know as another name. Are you new or a retread?

I've seen Ex'es who were definitely interested in disrupting the flow. It's not that uncommon.

Paranoid and impolite? Really? Aren't you being a little dramatic here?

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:29:42 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: apology accepted
Message:
Gerry,
thanks for your apology.
Yes, I do think you overreacted in a paranoid way, thinking I was somebody else. On the other hand, I can understand why, with so many strange cats around.
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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 11:46:39 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Re: apology accepted
Message:
Serendip,

Yes, welcome. I'm glad you're posting. It's not that there are so many 'strange cats' (well, that may be true) but there is one person posting under several names--a different name for almost each post. I think people deserve to know with whom there are communicating--it's only common decency--and I was trying to alert people that this one person is posting under several names. It is confusing and disruptive. Plus this person has nothing of substance to say anyway.

It's hard enough trying to communicate on this media without someone deliberately making it difficult. I think it's cowardly, and disrespectful of the people here--like you--who would like to try and sort out some important issues .

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 14:12:41 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: serendip
Subject: Maybe not so paranoid after all
Message:
Serendip, seems like you share the same Browser information as 'get serious guys' in the 'What if...' thread .
Now I remember, I was also looking to compare Browser info for that person too. That wouldn't have been you would it? No biggie, but since you called me paranoid and impolite, I'd like to ask you what you are afraid of, seeing as you can't sign your name to your posts.

If you are a rookie then I understand, but something tells me (your reference to Dawkins) that you've been around for a while and know the ground rules, even if you've only been lurking. Shame on you.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 13:33:19 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Gerry
Subject: The multiple poster
Message:
Gerry,

Would it possible for you to give a list of the aliases apparently used by the one poster - or would that be a breech of forum etiquette?

Thanks

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 14:04:22 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: The multiple poster
Message:
Nigel,

I'm not the webmaster, I was just looking at browser info. It would be rare, but not impossible for two people on a forum this small to have the exact same browser info so I concluded they are one and the same person.

Trevor, asshole, Elan Vital Monitor, Forum Police Officer McGowan, Gee-Dub, Nosey, Ben der done dat, all share the same Browser information and I doubt that this is a coincidence.

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Date: Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 22:50:06 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: The multiple poster
Message:
Ok so I'm wrong again. I've been informed that the browser info COULD vey easily be the same for more than one poster as they are common--MSIE 4.01 and Windows 95. Also that I should have recognized the poster by his/her trademark humor, and I guess I should have.
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 23:54:49 (EDT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: Religion Story?
Message:
Part of my premie philosophy was how religions were based on guilt and fear, and how knowledge was 'beyond' that. Then m started talking about 'the pit', where you are hanging on a stick, with a black and a white rat gnawing on it, being day and night:
PRACTISE KNOWLEDGE, OR FALL INTO THE PIT!
At hansjyanti in Kissimmee, he talked about how we have passed through ages and ages of lifetimes and evolution, and if me missed the chance this lifetime, we would have to start the whole fucking thing over again. When I heard that, I lurched backward with a cold feeling of fear in the pit of my stomach. Course, he looked right at me when he said it!How stupid could I get? AAARRRGGGHH!
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:13:17 (EDT)
From: serendip
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: religion is...
Message:
can't say I'm able to follow you. You mean if you have 'total faith' in something, you have no regrets, you're never wrong, have no ability to critically examine yourself and your views, and in that sense, never have to say you're sorry? Or?
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:53:58 (EDT)
From: MAHAraji?
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The answer
Message:
May I draw everyone's attention to the posting entitled 'WHETTING THE WHISTLEBLOWER' (Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 13:38:24 (EDT)? Could lead to something intersting ....

(You have to press the 'view all' command at the top of the page).

P.S. Sorry about the mispelling, we probably do still need E. (Wouldn't want her job for the whole world.)

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 14:20:56 (EDT)
From: microvolt
Email: None
To: MAHAraji?
Subject: Re: The answer
Message:
In the thread 'Whetting the whistleblower', īthe name Durga Ji, given to Marolyn by Prempal at their wedding, was discussed.

Durga Ji is a synonym for Parvati, Shiva's wife. (Kali was also mentioned in this context, but Kali is but one aspect of Parvati.) The God Shiva being the Lord of yogis, Prempal was clearly suggesting his own divinity by giving her this name.

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:52:27 (EDT)
From: Maharaji?
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The answer
Message:
May I draw everyone's attention to the posting entitled 'WHETTING THE WHISTLEBLOWER' (Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 13:38:24 (EDT)? Could lead to something intersting ....

(You have to press the 'view all' command at the top of the page).

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:14:00 (EDT)
From: Enough
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Drip??
Message:
Would someone please help me w/my understanding of this term. From context, I gather it's something like the point at which I realized this guru business was all fucked up and what the fuck am I doing being involved in this horrible mess.

Help!! For I am admittedly weak and ignorant and filled with the impurities of this world

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:45:13 (EDT)
From: gmom
Email: None
To: Enough
Subject: AJW's journey...
Message:
In AJW's journey coins the term 'drip' . It has become standard jargon around here. It is similar to the straws that broke the camels back....denial about Rawat being a fraud being the camel.
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 15:43:22 (EDT)
From: barney being helpful
Email: None
To: gmom
Subject: Link to AJW's journey
Message:
AJW's journey is long and very boring, yet it is required reading before we teach you the secret ex-premie gang hand sign.

Go there NOW!

Ex-Premie Secret Hand Sign. Be careful when viewing this. Knowing or viewing the secret hand sign has been known to cause severe cognitive disturbances. Be careful when using the secret hand sign in public unless you are absolutely certain that the recipient is a validated ex-premie.

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 13:32:17 (EDT)
From: Enough
Email: None
To: gmom
Subject: Re: AJW's journey...
Message:
Thanks Gmom--Hope all is well with you.
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 02:17:17 (EDT)
From: gmom
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Sports Illustrated
Message:
If anyone is able to pick up this issue who has followed the Jagdeo threads you may find it interesting. In the story is a man who was molested by his coach. Over 20 years later he hired a private eye to find out about the molester and he was still coaching little league. He is in jail now for more recent molestations uncovered because the man cared enough to do something years later. The story said the average preferential child molester molests over 100 children until he is caught. It is a well done story important for any parent to read.

Here is a link to the cover

http://channel.cnnsi.com/features/cover/

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 00:40:09 (EDT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: All
Subject: FLABBERWOCKY
Message:
Twas darshan, and his slithy toes,
Did writhe and wriggle on the suede.
All mimsy passed the premies in droves,
Their moans rather o'erplayed.

Bring more galubjamun, my son!
My jaws must catch, my maws will smack!
Bring more hashish and pot and- RUN! It's Monica, at the back!

She took his vorpal sword in hand,
Long time the maxome foe she wrought.
While rested he, with his tum tum free,
Meditating? I think not!

And, while in upitty thought he stood,
The premies, with eyes of pain, slaved and gave. They should! They would!
I must! Get to! A program! For you!
And now it's through, I won't go back!
I left with dread, I was mislead.
Enough, with all this crap!

And thou wouldst disdain, the lord of pain?
Come to my arms, rejoice galore!
Calloo KiJay! Oh frabjous day!
Thy deception is no more!

Twas darshan, and his slithy toes,
did writhe and wriggle on the suede.
All mimsy passed the premies in droves,
Their moans rather o'erplayed...

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 12:53:38 (EDT)
From: LdM
Email: None
To: dv
Subject: Re: FLABBERWOCKY
Message:
DV

That's great! A brilliant version of the Jabberwocky.

Lee

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 23:38:53 (EDT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: LdM
Subject: Re: FLABBERWOCKY
Message:
Thank you! It's been going through my mind all month. I figured everyone else should suffer...
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:58:27 (EDT)
From: Roger toes_E Drek
Email: None
To: dv
Subject: Stolen for Roger's Song & Poem collection
Message:
Songs & Poems at Roger's House of Maharaji Drek
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 04:20:05 (EDT)
From: Roger latE Drek
Email: None
To: Roger toes_E Drek
Subject: Also finally got Larkin's Something in the air (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 00:20:05 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david@xyzx.freeserve.co.uk
To: All
Subject: Time for arti, brothers & sisters
Message:

Only joking but have a listen to this, It's better than arti and you can dance a jig too!

Pranam and holy water are optional.

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 03:08:52 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Problem: Yahoo says it is unavailable (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 08:49:30 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Try this embedded link then
Message:
I don't know if anyone else has a problem hearing it, you do need a sound card and some sort of media player.

Anyway, try this

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Date: Mon, Sep 13, 1999 at 10:08:34 (EDT)
From: Enough
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Try this embedded link then
Message:
Now that's some great shit kicking music. If only our Lord in Mala would have danced to that.
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