Cynthia G. -:- EARTHQUAKE HITS CALIFORNIA!!!!! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:33:20 (EDT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- EARTHQUAKE HITS MALIBU -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:02:31 (EDT)

__ __ Marianne -:- Corrections, Drek -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:13:47 (EDT)

__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Corrections, Marianne -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:48:48 (EDT)

__ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Corrections, Drek -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:24:06 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Ben.... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:25:39 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Ben.... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:35:43 (EDT)

__ Marianne -:- WHOA! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:03:32 (EDT)

__ __ Robyn -:- Re: WHOA! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:05:49 (EDT)

__ Katie -:- Richter scale -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:03:29 (EDT)

__ __ Cynthia G. -:- Re: Richter scale -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:16:07 (EDT)

__ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Richter scale -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:28:59 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Cynthia G. -:- Re: Richter scale -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:34:11 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Charlene -:- Hey girls -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 18:27:19 (EDT)

Joey -:- I apologize -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:17:53 (EDT)

__ Shp -:- To err is human, to forgive divine -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 11:41:30 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- Re: To err is human, to forgive divine -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:57:53 (EDT)

__ __ __ Shp -:- Damned if I do, damned if I don't around here (nt) -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 21:43:29 (EDT)

__ grrlzone -:- Re: I apologize -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:17:17 (EDT)

__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: I apologize -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:03:09 (EDT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Know what your problem is, Dog? -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:41:14 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- Re: I apologize -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:34:24 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- Good one, Joey. Good one -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:06:02 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- I get by with a little help from my friends:::)) -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:38:15 (EDT)

__ __ Jim -:- That's it! FORUM ADMINISTRATOR???!! Get rid of this asshole now! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 18:47:49 (EDT)

__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: That's it! FORUM ADMINISTRATOR???!! Get rid of this asshole now! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:53:39 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ ? -:- Re: That's not it !!!!!! -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 08:24:18 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Re: That's it! FORUM ADMINISTRATOR???!! Get rid of this asshole now! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:55:35 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Here's my reasons... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:17:43 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Re: Here's my reasons... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:36:29 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Johnny Morris -:- She's right! (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 20:57:20 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Here's my reasons... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:48:05 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- You! You're as thick as a plank! -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:38:42 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Thick as a plank -:- I'm not really -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 07:49:43 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- It just a joke (ot) -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:39:44 (EDT)

__ __ __ Susan -:- I second the motion (nt) -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:29:46 (EDT)

__ Susan -:- I am a total sap -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:58:01 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- Re: you're NO sap Susan! -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:17:47 (EDT)

__ Runamok -:- Re: I apologize -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:54:29 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- Thank you, Brother Sun, Father Run:) -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:39:42 (EDT)

__ Sir Dave -:- Re: I apologize -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:01:20 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- Re: I apologize -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:45:18 (EDT)

__ Joey -:- Re: My apology to Barney -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:06:29 (EDT)

__ __ barney -:- Apology accepted -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 15:41:30 (EDT)

__ __ __ Joey -:- Re: Acceptance received:) -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 02:19:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ JW -:- Question for Barney -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:51:12 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Re: Question for Barney -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:15:50 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Thanks Barney -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:56:28 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ barney -:- your browser configuration -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 15:44:31 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Castro movies (OT) -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:54:55 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Re: Castro movies (OT) -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:57:45 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Re: Castro movies (OT) -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 17:04:28 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Your favorite movie?? -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 22:03:32 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Re: Your favorite movie?? -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 22:09:31 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bernie -:- Re: Your favorite movie?? -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 22:09:35 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Re: Your favorite movie?? -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 22:39:47 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Easy.. -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 22:19:47 (EDT)

__ __ Robyn -:- Re: My apology to Barney -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:04:30 (EDT)

__ __ __ Joey -:- Re: My apology to Robyn -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 02:47:55 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Rjobyn -:- Re: My apology to Robyn -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 04:39:29 (EDT)

__ __ Joey -:- Re: My apology to Marianne and Denise -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:28:58 (EDT)

__ __ __ Joey -:- Re: My apology everyone -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:58:56 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- question for Joey -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:32:48 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Re: answer for Katie -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 03:00:29 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Joey -:- Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 12:24:16 (EDT)

__ __ Marianne -:- You owe me an apology too -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:08:30 (EDT)

__ __ __ Joey -:- Sheesh...it was being typed!! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:32:26 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- apology gratefully accepted -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:31:31 (EDT)

Lee -:- The Lord's fingernails -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 07:47:51 (EDT)

__ A Premie -:- Re: The Lord's fingernails -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:50:41 (EDT)

__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: The Lord's fingernails -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 14:42:16 (EDT)

__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: The Lord's fingernails -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:53:40 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: The Lord's fingernails -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:22:47 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- I was suckered too -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:22:08 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: I was suckered too -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:30:14 (EDT)

__ Cynthia G. -:- Re: The Lord's fingernails -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:50:40 (EDT)

bb -:- Gratitude for Maharaji -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:38:13 (EDT)

__ AJW -:- Thank you Maharaji -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 07:15:54 (EDT)

bb -:- OT- News from the street -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:03:43 (EDT)

__ JHB -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 20:23:06 (EDT)

__ __ bb -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Tues, Oct 19, 1999 at 01:01:15 (EDT)

__ JHB -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 20:13:21 (EDT)

__ __ Monmot -:- To bb and JHB -:- Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 10:59:42 (EDT)

__ __ bb -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Tues, Oct 19, 1999 at 00:30:25 (EDT)

__ dv -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 10:00:32 (EDT)

__ __ bb -:- DV -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:11:14 (EDT)

__ Mili -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:11:03 (EDT)

__ __ bb -:- Re: OT- News from the street -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:35:44 (EDT)

Ben Lurking -:- $$$$$$$$$$$ -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 00:53:42 (EDT)

Roger eDrek -:- Sounds from the World of Knowledge! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 00:34:45 (EDT)

__ bb -:- Re: Sounds from the World of Knowledge! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:54:08 (EDT)

__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Thanks, just doing my job. -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 06:25:11 (EDT)

__ __ __ Susan -:- What is it called-'You won't be home for Christmas?' -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:59:16 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Re: What is it called-'You won't be home for Christmas?' -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:36:51 (EDT)

__ __ __ Cynthia G. -:- Re: Thanks, just doing my job. -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:41:20 (EDT)

Marianne -:- Hey Dog - APOLOGIZE! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 00:15:03 (EDT)

__ __ Susan -:- that phrase -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:25:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ Mickey Moss -:- Re: that phrase -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:43:47 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Joey -:- Re: that phrase -:- Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 13:46:14 (EDT)

__ __ Marianne -:- Re: Hey Dog - APOLOGIZE! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:17:17 (EDT)

__ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: Hey Dog - APOLOGIZE! -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:19:30 (EDT)

Enough -:- AMAROO 2000 -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 20:18:01 (EDT)

__ What Day is it? -:- Re: AMAROO 2000 -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:50:39 (EDT)

__ Marianne -:- Happy Loma Prieta, Enough (OT) -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 21:26:36 (EDT)

__ __ Cal Tech -:- Shake 'n Bake: So. Cal Just Had 7.0 Quake -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 07:51:15 (EDT)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Are you sure... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 08:19:33 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Cal Tech -:- Re: Are you sure... -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:00:02 (EDT)

__ __ Enough -:- Re: Happy Loma Prieta, Enough (OT) -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 04:09:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Happy Loma Prieta, Enough (OT) -:- Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:15:07 (EDT)

__ __ Susan -:- Marianne...I can't find that phone # you just gave me. Call me if you read this -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 22:44:34 (EDT)

Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:33:20 (EDT) From: Cynthia G. Email: cynthia@madriver.com To: All Subject: EARTHQUAKE HITS CALIFORNIA!!!!! Message:

Hello Everyone! First, I want to clarify that I now go by the name Cynthia. When people knew me as a premie I went by the nickname Cindy. I was a singer in the Hartford premie band--service galore!!! I hope any of you out in CA are safe. I recently heard some info about the new CASTLE on the Malibu bluff: An old premie who's been at the HOLIEST RESIDENCE THIS SIDE OF FOREVER for the past 7 or 8 years (as a slave contractor) recently returned to Conn. I want to protect his privacy so I won't reveal his name (pun intended) . The premie said it was time for him to leave and return to his home state. He told the hartford premies (my sister told me about this) that the new residence is huge...you all know that. The music studio is larger than the whole previous residence!!! If you've listened to m's original music, (especially on his website) he needs more than a studio to develop his musical talents. Plus, he uses computerized music programs, which I, as a musician, believe is nothing but CHEATING--BY REAL MUSIC TALENT STANDARDS!!! I digress. The premie from the PALACE said the new place on the bluff is built to withstand an earthquake magnitude of 47 on the Ricter scale!!! When I told my husband Tom that, he said, there's not such thing as 47 on the ricter scale, what does he think, that the earth will separate and his estate will float like a boat in the Pacific? Tom also said that if a 47 level earthquake hit, the whole earth would probably explode or implode, whatever. I thought my hubby's choice of the word 'boat' was very apt considering he's not a premie and has no knowledge about the big boat era. Anyway, I want a big house too. Do you think if I email m that he'll co-sign a loan for me so I can buy a house? Love to all, Cynthia PS This website is wonderful. there is a big difference between not practicing k and coming to the realization I was in a cult. BIG DIFFERENCE!!! Bye....

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:02:31 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Cynthia G. Subject: EARTHQUAKE HITS MALIBU Message:

Alright, the end times are near! Gonna head up to Ruby Ridge and wait it out. Anyway, I've heard from my sources on the hill that the Rez was built to withstand a magnitude 9 earthquake. I believe the largest earthquake was a 9.7 somewhere in or near South America in 1827. The 1907 San Francisco earthquake was a 7.4, the 1989 San Francisco earthquake was 7.1 and the Northridege January 17, 1994, was a 6.7-magnitude quake. Hey, I've finally got a better satellite image of the Rez You probably cannot even imagine what a 9.7 would be like. I was in a 5.3 once and it was just a little strange. So, for Maharaji's house to withstand a 9.0 would mean that hell would be breaking out and swallowing everything except his house. The ridge that his house sits on would probably crumble before the house does.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:13:47 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Corrections, Drek Message:

The Big EQ in SF was in 1906, not 1907!!!! That EQ was an 8.0, not a 7.4! Good thing Mistress Grammar is not a fact checker too! Admiringly, Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:48:48 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Corrections, Marianne Message:

Sorry, I blew part of it (ok, most of it.) Anyway, the 1906 SF Quake was a 8.25 according to the USGS National Earthquake Information Center. FILE CREATED: Sat Oct 16 21:46:35 1999 Global Search Earthquakes= 7 Catalog Used: CDMG Date Range: Year: 1900 - 1910 Month: 01/Day: 01 Month: 12/Day: 31 Magnitude Range: 6.0 - 9.9 Data Selection: California (CDMG) CAT YEAR MO DA ORIG TIME LAT LONG DEP MAGNITUDE IEFM DTSVNWG DIST NFPO km TFS CDMG 1906 04 18 131221 37.70 -122.50 8.25 MLGR ED.. ....... CDMG 1906 04 19 0030 32.50 -115.50 6.00 MLRI 8... ....... CDMG 1907 09 20 0154 34.20 -117.10 6.00 MLRI 7... ....... CDMG 1908 11 04 0837 36.00 -117.00 6.50 MLRI 7... ....... CDMG 1909 10 29 0645 40.50 -124.20 6.00 UKRI 8... ....... CDMG 1910 03 19 0011 40.00 -125.00 6.00 MLRI 5... ....... CDMG 1910 05 15 1547 33.70 -117.40 6.00 MLRI 7... .......

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:24:06 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Grammer Nanny Subject: Re: Corrections, Drek Message:

Arghhhhh, another grammer nanny, :=) did you get an email from me?

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:25:39 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Ben Lurking Subject: Ben.... Message:

I just wrote you back, Ben. Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:35:43 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Ben.... Message:

the reason it went to the wrong address is I typed it wrong -oops forgot where I lived talk to you later. Ben

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:03:32 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Cynthia G. Subject: WHOA! Message:

It was a 7.0 quake and it hit southern California. Luckily, the epicenter was out in the desert, so there wasn't the major damage we'd get if it was in a more populous area. Sorry for all the EQ jokes yesterday everyone. Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:05:49 (EDT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: WHOA! Message:

Dear Marianne, I hope this is just CA getting all it's earthquaking out of the way before my visit!!!! Love, Robyn

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:03:29 (EDT) From: Katie Email: None To: Cynthia G. Subject: Richter scale Message:

Hi Cynthia - The Richter scale is a log scale - in other words a Richter 7 earthquake is 10 times greater than a Richter 6 earthquake, and a Richter 8 is 10 times greater than a Richter 7. Your husband is right about a Richter 47 earthquake being laughable (I think the strongest quake ever measured was over 9 - not sure about this, though). Maybe the guy meant Richter 4.7 (which is a fairly small quake)? All I can say is this is typical Maharaji-brand science! Sheesh! Take care, Katie

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:16:07 (EDT) From: Cynthia G. Email: cynthia@madriver.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Richter scale Message:

Hello Katie, I'm absolutely SURE that 47 on the Richter scale is what was stated. My hubby explained the log scale to me this morning while we were watching CNN. Sheesh, is right. I'm sooooooo glad to be out. Be well, Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:28:59 (EDT) From: Katie Email: None To: Cynthia G. Subject: Re: Richter scale Message:

Hi Cynthia - I have to say that 'Richter 47' was the best earthquake joke I've heard in a long time (I'm still laughing). Gotta wonder about M's contractor!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:34:11 (EDT) From: Cynthia G. Email: cynthia@madriver.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Richter scale Message:

Hi Katie, They must have drilled to the center of the earth to built ONE HUGE FOUNDATION!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 18:27:19 (EDT) From: Charlene Email: None To: Cynthia G. Subject: Hey girls Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:17:53 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: All Subject: I apologize Message:

Well yes I've done it. I've finally done something so utterly stupid and even worse, in a public setting, that I now have no choice but to take a good look at my actions, their effects and consequences and apologize big time...that is not only for the use of certain language, but for attacking grrlzone in the way that I did when she came to this forum and started posting. Even had I used more civilized language and a less brutal tone in my post...ANY attack against her by ANYONE was so totally uncalled for, I truly can't express my regret that I now bear the responsibility of having been the first. I say that because its quite obvious to me that last nite she was may have been even more savagely attacked here by the premie trolls...Deputy Dog in particular...and I can't help but wonder to what extent I may have facilitated this sort of thing happening by virtue of my own conduct here on this forum...where I have previously attacked posters and challenged them on their legitimacy. In a way I suppose it could be said that I set myself up to be the resident 'EX-Deputy Dog' or read: 'the guardian of the forum's purity and virtue in the face of the trickery and machinations of m and his premie geeks who would attempt to infiltrate , co-opt or even sabotage our discussions on these pages.' The truth is, that while I may have certain ideas and theories on the subject...I now have to admit that I really can't put together a total picture and have no right to set myself up as an expert as to what kind of intelligence operation m is attempting to pull off on this forum. I may have certain 'tidbits of information', and loads of theories...but certainly NOTHING that could be proven. And the record of my ill chosen service on this forum is disastrous...I've been wrong everytime. As a result,I am packing it in on that role and hope to be able to contribute in a more appreciably positive mannerin other ways. But quite obviously there are apologies that are in order...big time apologies. First of all to grrlzone. I had no right to attack you at all. I was responding to certain triggers that I saw existing in your post, that probably weren't even there at all. By that I mean the triggers are within me...and without even thinking, I allowed them to trigger me off in a senseless cyber attack against you. I did mention to you previously that you 'reminded me of someone', but I realize that even that constites no excuse. If there's a lesson that I have to learn from this...its that I simply have to make more of an effort to see things for what they are and examine my own thinking a little more. If I fail to do this I may indeed end up living my life in a 'hall of mirrors' as a friend recently suggested. I had no idea at the time, that you were the very same Abi whose story in your email to him as it was relayed on the form by Anthe, really just captivated so many as it was so honest and genuinely moving. That you chose to come here and now participate directly in our discussions, and be met by what in hindsight I can only call my wingnut reception makes the embarrassment and reget even worse for me to bear. I apologize sincerely and hope that with what you experienced a couple days ago with myself and last nite with the likes of 'deputy dog', that you won't be diswayed in hanging in there with all the genuine exes who really do appreciate you bringing your presence onto this forum...and I also hope that you can consider me one of them. (And BTW, I certainly can't speak for deputy dog, but I CAN speak for myself.)

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 11:41:30 (EDT) From: Shp Email: None To: Joey Subject: To err is human, to forgive divine Message:

Hey Joey and all, I was away for a few days and I came back to all these wonderful openhearted apologies and acceptances of apologies. A very awarm and fuzzy thread, the kind of thread that makes great sweaters to keep us warm throughout the cold months to come. More heartfelt talk, any subject but let's keep it heartfelt. Is it just me, or does it feel better to everyone else too? By the way, I am an individual free agent and free spirit, with or wihout Knowledge, premie or ex-premie, I am a free person and come here as such. No strings. Sincerely and actually, Shp

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:57:53 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Shp Subject: Re: To err is human, to forgive divine Message:

By the way, I am an individual free agent and free spirit, with or wihout Knowledge, premie or ex-premie, I am a free person and come here as such. No strings. Yes, thank you oh great Shpmeister, for revealing your true self to us...in your infinite ocean of mercy and compassion. How you have enriched us all!!:::))

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 21:43:29 (EDT) From: Shp Email: None To: Joey Subject: Damned if I do, damned if I don't around here (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:17:17 (EDT) From: grrlzone Email: None To: Joey Subject: Re: I apologize Message:

Joey, fine. Maybe we can both learn from this and move on now. I don't know what the Dog said about me but it sounds awful. I'm not going to withdraw though. Learn and live

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:03:09 (EDT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: grrlzone Subject: Re: I apologize Message:

grrlzone, I said that MAYBE you were a guy like Garth Algar in the Wayne's World movies, that's all. I've since learned that you have a name and that you're a woman. So I was wrong. You've got to expect a little flack on a site like this. Emotions can run high here. Marianne called me worse than a Garth Algar wannabe. DD

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 23:41:14 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Know what your problem is, Dog? Message:

Dog, Somehow you keep striking me as someone I'd actually like if we knew each other. You know, it's pretty hard to think that about most of the premies who drop in here. They're either complete assholes like Url or well .. um .. kind of funny like Chris. You, on the other and, just seem like a decent guy who just happens to be stuck in a cult, that's all. Now, here's why you got into that nasty situation with Abi, in my on-again-off-again-humble-(depends-on-what-kind-of-week-it's-been) opinion: you're on the fatally doomed side of this whole m argument. You're truly like the son of some tobacco company executive. Victory, for you, in any of these discussions, is all on the margin. The hamster's so amazingly indefensible that apologists like you have to content themselves with trying to chip away at the criticisms. Require a bit more evidence. Wrestle a bit with terminology. Send us exes on wild goose chases looking for this quote or that. Deny common sense and reasonable interpretation of events. That's the way the apologist's game's played. Too bad for you you're on that side. It must make you flinch a bit, I'd say. It does, doesn't it?

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:34:24 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: grrlzone Subject: Re: I apologize Message:

grrlzone, Kewl! Thanks...and I think youe decision to stay will make alot of people happy. It really does for me. And I wouldn't give a hoot about the likes of deputy dog or what he might have to say. Its the irrelevance of someone attempting to propagate even more irrelevance...and like I said I'm tired of playing THEIR games. As you said...'learn and live', and I suppose its a good idea to 'live and learn' as well:) the best to you, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:06:02 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Joey Subject: Good one, Joey. Good one Message:

Not much to add, Joey, except, well, ... are you Shp? No, really, that was quite something, the whole thing, and I'm glad it's come to this point. There's a lot to be suspicious of in Maharaji's World but, in almost all cases, I think we can all trust each other. And if the cult sets up some sort of cloak and dagger bullshit, complete with fake exes and disinformation, well, whatever. Fuck 'em, really. We've got nothing to worry about any longer. All those years of worrying about our 'devotion'? About our 'sincerity'? About the 'world' we were forced to leave behind? They're over. We can relax now. Being a premie is an amazingly tense way to live a life. Like someone said on ELK the other day, if you're 'conscious' life's magic, if you're not, it's garbage. Yeah? Well that's garbage and fortunately we're free of it. I hope you can enjoy relaxing a bit now yourself. You really do deserve it.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:38:15 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Jim Subject: I get by with a little help from my friends:::)) Message:

Not much to add, Joey, except, well, ... are you Shp? Well I don't want to shock you Jim, but no...I'm not Shp, and Shp isn't me...I'm really Napoleon Bonaparte!:) More seriously, I appreciate what you say about any cloak and dagger games that the cult may be setting up here in our cyber community...that in the end they'll prove to be bullshit, because we're speaking the truth. And you're right...I CAN relax. I think if anyone should be sweating it now...it really ISN'T exes who are passionate that the truth come out...its those who would want to prevent it from coming out. And thanks for being a friend in some tough times, when you felt no choice but to defend one friend from the totally senseless attack of another. And to stand up for what you KNEW to be right. You've been a friend right from the very beginning when we had our own three hour conversation on the phone and the several we've had since. You've always been all there, a tremendous conversationalist...someone who loves to hear someone else making their point, but who loves to make his own as well in response. And definitely does! And so if I had some tough ones to learn here, well I'm glad it was you pointing some very important messages my way. And most of all I'm glad we're still friends. Thanks, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 18:47:49 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Johnny Morris Subject: That's it! FORUM ADMINISTRATOR???!! Get rid of this asshole now! Message:

Mr. Forum Administrator, I'm calling on you to do the only reasonable and decent thing and finally get rid of Catweasle, once and for all. You didn't respond to my request in the thread below when he threatened me. No, I didn't take it seriously but that's not the point. You never know and he knows as well as anyone that threats aren't tolerated here, having just been warned about doing just that -- again, directed at me -- a week before. This Cat guy is a creep of the first order. His entire character here stars and ends with spam and there's nothing but spam in between. Now Joey posts what must have been a extremely important and likely tender message for himself and others and this motherfucking piece of shit replies as he always does, by puking all over. He does not and never posted with any meaningful content and obviously intends to continue doing what he does so long as we're foolish enough to allow him to. Really!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:53:39 (EDT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Jim Subject: Re: That's it! FORUM ADMINISTRATOR???!! Get rid of this asshole now! Message:

For what it's worth, I don't think that 'message' was from the Catweasel.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 08:24:18 (EDT) From: ? Email: Dunedin? To: Sir Dave Subject: Re: That's not it !!!!!! Message:

Spot on Sir Dave. Catweasel has never revealed his/her super Geek abilities here. It most definitely was not him.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:55:35 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Re: That's it! FORUM ADMINISTRATOR???!! Get rid of this asshole now! Message:

Why not?

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:17:43 (EDT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Jim Subject: Here's my reasons... Message:

The reasons why I think the poster is not the Catweasel: Only a British person would know who Johnny Morris was; that he was a presenter of animal programmes on British TV back in the seventies. The person calling himself Johnny Morris is using a specific computer program to change his web browser info which you see in his posts. Less than a handful of people who post here know about that program and Catweasel wasn't party to that info. The method of embedding the sound link has only been used by one person on this or the AG forum. That person was the being who called himself Rob.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:36:29 (EDT) From: Susan Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Re: Here's my reasons... Message:

Don't you think that if it is Rob there is no damage done if he is blocked anyway because surely someone who is that sophisticated with the net etc will find a way back in?

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 20:57:20 (EDT) From: Johnny Morris Email: None To: Susan Subject: She's right! (nt) Message:

but dave's wrong!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:48:05 (EDT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Susan Subject: Re: Here's my reasons... Message:

I agree with you there, Susan. It's very easy to get round the blocking methods. Even with my limited knowledge, I know how to do it.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:38:42 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: You! You're as thick as a plank! Message:

How do YOU know how to sneak in? Sheesh, you're as thick as a plank.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 07:49:43 (EDT) From: Thick as a plank Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: I'm not really Message:

In any field, the truly ignorant people are the ones who have learned a bit of knowledge and then 'blind others with science' by spouting jargon which nobody understands. It is the height of stupidity to expect other people to know about the same subject which you have learned. The internet is full of such people, hence my occasional moniker, 'As thick as a plank'. It's an ironic comment. I am really Sir Dave, of course.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:39:44 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Thick as a plank Subject: It just a joke (ot) Message:

Of course I knew that. I KNOW everything! Yes, when I first got into computers (mainframes) at skool there was a helpdesk at that computer lab that was only open for a few hours a day. I would stand in a queue for a good half hour and then try to ask my question as nice as I could to this really nerdy guy who didn't like me. He'd think a bit and then say 'dunno'. Well, eventually I became quite profecient on that mainframe except for the time a I launched a job that ran tapes and it would ask the tape monkey to load a tape and then abort and then ask the tape monkey to load the same tape in the next tape drive and on through all 8 tapes drives. And then I worked on PCs and became an expert in MS-DOS and then came Windows and Windows NT and then came the Internet. Yes, the expertise quickly becomes obsolete and useless. I have suffered much to learn this temporary fadish jargon only to see it become obsolete. The only redeeming value is being able to tell horrible war stories. It's the largest Tower of Babel ever made. But, now Bill Gates is in charge and he will show us the road ahead. And from what I have heard Bill ain't a real nice guy, but he does like porno or at least he did before he got married. Yup, lot's of ego involved in this bullshit. Now I'm in trouble. Maharaji is small time compared to billg.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 19:29:46 (EDT) From: Susan Email: None To: Ji Subject: I second the motion (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:58:01 (EDT) From: Susan Email: None To: Joey Subject: I am a total sap Message:

I am very touched by this. Joey, before the whole girlzone thing broke loose I was trying to understand how someone who was so clearly bright and thoughtful could also be the person who had so nastily attacked so many posters here who I admire and care about. I did not get it. There is so clearly so much good in you how could it be? then the Girlzone thing. I concluded, this guy must be nuts, or two guys? I really like what you have said here. I hope that you really have learned what it appears you have learned from the whole experience. I hate the aspect of the net that leaves us so wide open to deception. It is just impossible to completely guard against it. I think for us ex premies, this desire to not be decieved is pretty damn strong, as look how terribly decieved and fooled we were by the Guru. It is no wonder this is an Achilles heel for us. But like I said to the Dog, without this imperfect medium of the net we never would have eachother. I know I have understood a lot about my years in the cult and how it affected me that I never would have known without a modem. It is a shame it doesn't work better than it does at letting us know who to trust or not but it has huge limitations. We do our best with them. Joey, I am glad you are sticking around. I thought you might leave after this latest fiasco. It would be great to see things perhaps improve for everyone after this. Susan

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:17:47 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Susan Subject: Re: you're NO sap Susan! Message:

Susan, I truly hope that there aren't two me's , but one me who has gone bonkers without any legitimate credible cause to do so at least in regards to the four people I've offerred my apologies to....and that I can let it go and relax about my being here as Jim just suggested as opposed to getting caught up in any cult based baloney that they often attempt to throw our way. I had already realized last nite that it was really important for me to clear all of this as quickly as possible. I decided to sleep on it , then this morning when I turned the forum on...I saw that deputy dog had been by to drop his own number on girlzone and I felt that with so many premie trolls capable of terrorizing our discussions here, I really ought hang it up in terms of being the resident 'ex troll', no matter how noble I felt my cause had been. This feels better, and hopefully it'll result in the kind of posts you've enjoyed reading...as opposed to the ones that may have left you feeling ill. There are more than a few, I wish I could have back. Its great to be on the same page with you Susan...and you know damn well that with what you've had to share with us here... you're certainly NO sap. Far from it. Thanks for being here, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:54:29 (EDT) From: Runamok Email: djrayovac@aol.com To: Joey Subject: Re: I apologize Message:

I hope Joey doesn't mind me mentioning that he is a slow typist. His lengthy apology(s) represent a larger amount of time than even their length indicates. I'm glad you are able to apologize and hope that others will not miss the fact that you have contributed to the forum(s) in spite of antagonizing it at times. Apologies are not very common (or haven't been) on the forum, and I don't think you are the only person who is hotheaded. Okay, hotheadedness is not the only issue here, but it's a big one. I'm really happy that grrlzone started posting, but I have also been really glad to see you able to post without all hell breaking loose. The more the merrier is my point of view. Plurality seems to cure some of our forum's ills.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:39:42 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Thank you, Brother Sun, Father Run:) Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:01:20 (EDT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Joey Subject: Re: I apologize Message:

We all make mistakes, Joey. At least I know you're not Rob. You're welcome to join me in my 'spot the Rob post' game.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:45:18 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Re: I apologize Message:

Thanks Sir D. And no I'm not Rob, neither am I deputy dog. And thanks for the game, but really, who wants to spend their time spotting the Rob in the dog, or the dog in the Rob? Well just another take on the situation. All the best, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:06:29 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: barney Subject: Re: My apology to Barney Message:

barney, IF my apology to grrlzone is certainly in order then I owe you one as well and again...bigtime. Not only did I allow picky uny considerations get into the way of us having a more contructive relationship as fellow posters on this forum, perhaps even friends,but even worse I allowed information that came to me from a source that I now have no choice but to consider as having just about zero credibility... spur me on to launch those attacks against you ,one bright sunny morning when you and Jim were so blissfully having your cyber 'breakfast in bed' :) and then again some seven or eight days later with my infamous and ill conceived attack against from the 'internet cafe'. And I do ask you to consider that while I DID feel that certain differences existed between us, and I had certain suspicions, I really do believe that I was on a path of resolving them in a different fashion when I unfortunately allowed myself to be manipulated by what even now remains nothing more than unsubstantiated allegations and insinuations, and from a source whom again most would consider as having zero credibility. And again in my almost fanatical zealoutry,and I guess the cult was a good place to pick that up, (ashram, Amtext and all)...I failed to think things through and just fired away without properly considering the consequences of my actions. You've chosen to participate in this forum in a major way and your contribution has been amazing. Not only in terms of what you've added to our little cyber community of exes by means of your Drek alter ego and the 'House of Maharaji Drek', but with many an awseome post here on the forum pages, exposing the cult for what is. You've shown alot of empathy with many who have told their stories here on the forum and you've given them your support. You really don't deserve any cloud hanging over your head and I hope this apology really clears the air on this matter once and for all (that is if it isn't already clear). Again, anything that I may have alleged against you on these pages was and remains entiely groundless and unsubtantiated. And therefore totally false and untrue. What DOES remain true is that you've become a big part of our ex community here in cyber space and your contribution appreciated by many. I hope you can consider my apology to you genuine and know that I welcome the opportunity to be on the same page with you...both of us nothing more and nothing less than genuine exes, who find our participation in this forum very meaningful and rewarding. And i do wish you the best, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 15:41:30 (EDT) From: barney Email: None To: Joey Subject: Apology accepted Message:

Joey, I accept your apology. Issuing such was a very gentlemanly thing to do. I apologize to you for the very rough treatment that I fired back on you in the heat of, pardon me for saying so, a very exciting and interesting battle. I certainly understand how things on the nebulous Internet can get very confused. Another sound wave expressing my feelings. (Please don't read too much into it as it is only for comedic purposes.) Anyway, I am glad that you are back contributing to the Forum with your powerful posts. barney

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 02:19:19 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: barney Subject: Re: Acceptance received:) Message:

barney, My apology to YOU is long overdue, and so its really your acceptance of it that's 'gentlemanly.' As far as the rough treatment goes...I'm still here and you had just cause and very little choice but to defend yourself in the way that you did. Yes I do think that things can sometimes get a little confusing in this medium. The internet bears great potential for deceipt. We're here dealing with the subject of cults, specifically our own stinking little cult, and of course we both know how much deception IT'S based on. So we're really here in this intersection of these two phenomena...cults and the internet...and both of them being so marked by characteristics of deceipt. For anyone who wants to get onto it, you can literally spin your head trying to figure how m and his dweebs could be trying to screw us up. Its playing THEIR game and really doesn't serve our purpose. And again who cares??...WE'RE speaking the truth here....so there's no reason why any ex should feel uptight in participating. Anyway, I am glad that you are back contributing to the Forum with your powerful posts. Again, considerably gracious of you, especially when you consider my last 'powerful' post(I'm thinking of the one to grrlzone in particular) was directed at the wrong person,at the wrong time, for the wrong reason, and in the wrong way. So much for 'powerful' posts. Perhaps little less power, and a little more thinking and relection. Well, like grrlzone says...'learn and live'. Thanks again for your gracious acceptance of my long overdue apology, and, All the best, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:51:12 (EDT) From: JW Email: None To: barney Subject: Question for Barney Message:

Barney, I'm really glad Joey apologized; that whole situation left a bad taste in my mouth and I think the mouths of others. Thanks, Joey, that was a classy thing to do. But on another point (OT), when you post those great sound items, they end up being an icon on my computer screen every time. I now have about 8. How do I get rid of them? I also saw that Cynthia posted a sound item and it didn't download onto my computer. In the future, can you do it the same way? By the way, Mommie Dearest is one of my all-time favorite campy movies. Hearing Faye Dunaway doing a 'don't fuck with me boys' Joan Crawford is too great. I plan on saving that one. Do you have the part of that movie where Joan Crawford is on top of her daughter on the floor choaking her and then says 'Barbara, please.....?' I love that part. [By the way, for a really good time, go see Mommie Dearest at the Castro Theater in San Francisco with a bunch of raving queens. I don't believe I have ever laughed so hard.]

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 00:15:50 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: JW Subject: Re: Question for Barney Message:

Ok, I'm not embedding the sound and I guess that it gets downloaded to your machine. I thought that the audio clip with Faye was from Network. No? Mommie Dearest? I don't have that other clip, but I do have this and I'll embed it, but I'll send you to my link to avoid having this 159k file download to readers on the Forum who stumble onto this message. Go Here! Yes, that does sound like fun at the Castro Theater. Drag queens are just a hoot!

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:56:28 (EDT) From: JW Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Thanks Barney Message:

Yes, it's definitely Mommie Dearest. It's in the scene where the Board of Directors of Pepsi Cola wants to ease her out of her deceased husband's board position. She threatens to undertake an advertising campaign to turn people off Pepsi, and the board members relent. Actually Barney, it's not drag queens at the Castro, just queens, and a lot of other people too. A couple of years ago there was a holiday program there called 'Christmas With the Crawfords.' There was a live interview with Christina Crawford and then they showed Mommie Dearest. That movie is hysterical -- it's kind of like a 50s horror film. Faye Dunaway has never been able to live that role down because the film has become a cult classic.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 15:44:31 (EDT) From: barney Email: None To: JW Subject: your browser configuration Message:

JW, Ah, Mommie Dearest it is then. Gosh, I was hoping that the screenings of M.D. at the Castro would be like Rocky Horror with people in costume like in drag made out to look like Joan and maybe a few Bette Davis' too. It occured to me that the reason you ending up getting links to the sounds is because you've got your browser configured not to automatically play sounds. Then you end up maybe getting a dialog that asks whether to download to file or Open the file. I've got my IE 4.02 browser set to automatically play sounds and other multimedia. In IE you go to the menu bar VIEW, Internet Options, the Advanced Tab and scroll down to Multimedia and enable those options. I'm not sure what it is for Netscape, but I'm sure there a way. I'm not sure if turning these Multimedia options OFF stops the files from coming to your computer - probably??? And you might want them off if your connection to the Internet is slow as most of these files can be very large.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:54:55 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: JW Subject: Castro movies (OT) Message:

No, even better was seeing 'The Bad Seed' at the Castro with Patty McCormick being interviewed by Michael Musto. That was my favorite movie as a kid. Marianne

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 14:57:45 (EDT) From: JW Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Castro movies (OT) Message:

Hey, Marianne, I was there. Were you there too? Did you go to the 'Carrie White Christmas' the year before, when they inteviewed Piper Laurie? That was great, too.

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 17:04:28 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: JW Subject: Re: Castro movies (OT) Message:

Yep, I was there. The line snaked almost the entire way around the block. Rafael went with me and an old friend too. What a hoot it was! I loved the parade of psychos that they had at the beginning, especially the queen who played the drunken neighbor whose son was killed. S/he was hilarious. PeeWee Herman was also pretty funny. Were you at the show where Musto did the interview afterwards? I loved all the faux Patty McCormick's in the audience. I missed the 'Carrie' show with Piper Laurie. Halloween is coming. Got your costume? Love, Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 22:03:32 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Your favorite movie?? Message:

Marianne, That thing spooked the hell out of me. I read the book too. Only later did I learn how common these traits are in women. BY the way, a funny item showed up in the Vancouver Sun yesterday. This ... guy (?) successfully prosecuted a lesbian organization here for not letting him join. He got three thousand bucks (only Canadian) from the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal. Apparently, the guy is a trans-sexual who refuses to have the operation because he doesn't think of himself as a woman. As his lawyer explained, 'woman' is an artificial construct of our patrio-stereo-romeotyping culture. No, he's a 'female' instead and thus should be granted admission to the lesbian group. The tribunal agreed!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 22:09:31 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Jim Subject: Re: Your favorite movie?? Message:

The lawsuit makes total sense to me! Can gay people marry in Canada? If the Human Rights Tribunal agreed with this lawsuit, then they should sanction gay marriage -- as well they should. I loved the movie because it showed that someone can appear to be perfect but in fact the person is utmost evil. Ring any bells applicable to the Forum? I was fascinated by the movie as a kid and watched it over and over. The other movie with which I was obsessed as a kid was 'The Song of Bernadette', good Catholic girl that I was. When I go to Europe to teach next year, I am going to visit the shrine to St. Bernadette at Lourdes. I'll be sure to mention Darwin to her when I go there! Love, Marianne

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 22:09:35 (EDT) From: Bernie Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Your favorite movie?? Message:

I'm mildly curious how the 'Pum' thing was done? I know you don't have the technical ability;-) Lourdes now is it? Bernie

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 22:39:47 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Bernie Subject: Re: Your favorite movie?? Message:

Bernie: Yes, a trip to Lourdes is in the offing while I'm teaching law in Cork next year. Be sure to wave to me from the grotto! No idea about the Pum thing. I get the message here, BTW. Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 22:19:47 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Easy.. Message:

The lawsuit makes total sense to me! Can gay people marry in Canada? If the Human Rights Tribunal agreed with this lawsuit, then they should sanction gay marriage -- as well they should. No and you're nuts. I loved the movie because it showed that someone can appear to be perfect but in fact the person is utmost evil. Ring any bells applicable to the Forum? Oh great. So now you're going to start crticizing me! What'd I do?

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:04:30 (EDT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Joey Subject: Re: My apology to Barney Message:

Dear Joey, I know you pretty much dismissed me some time ago and I have for the most part stayed away from you since, a lot of my reaction to you has to do with issues from my past, you were just that trigger for me. Anyway, reading your apologies here have touched my heart and I am so glad that whatever it was that made you see yourself clearly happened. Truly a gift in your life, I think. Welcome back. :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 02:47:55 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Re: My apology to Robyn Message:

Dear Joey, I know you pretty much dismissed me some time ago and I have for the most part stayed away from you since, a lot of my reaction to you has to do with issues from my past, you were just that trigger for me. Well Robyn what can I say? I certainly didn't want to have anything to do with those 'triggers', and as far as my 'dismissing' you goes...what else was there for me to do? I really found it hard to deal with the fact that my actions had caused a fallout with others and it really bothered me that indirectly , you yourself were feeling personally hurt by what was going on. I didn't want that to happen, but it did and ultimately I had to accept my part in bringing that unfortunate time into this space that we all share here on the forum. A space that you always make a little sweeter, kinder , and gentler in the most genuine of ways. I am so glad that whatever it was that made you see yourself clearly happened. Truly a gift in your life, I think. I think we can say that the gift in this case is 'friends'. Friends who care, who are willing to listen and who WON'T spin your head around but tell you what they honestly feel has to be said. Right now, its really THAT I see as being the 'gift' in this situation. And thank you Robyn for being a friend and all the best to you, Love, Joey

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 04:39:29 (EDT) From: Rjobyn Email: None To: Joey Subject: Re: My apology to Robyn Message:

Dear Joey, Thanks Joey, I can't tell you how happy I am for you that you have had a change of heart and for me it is a big relief as well. I remember a long time ago seeing a sweetness in you as well and it feels like you've found that again in yourself and that must be a relief for you as well. Love, Robyn

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:28:58 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Marianne and Denise Subject: Re: My apology to Marianne and Denise Message:

Marianne, I owe you an apology as well for on more than one occasion, I've treated you rather contemtuosly on these pages. And in your case, it may have been nothing more than allowing myself to be influenced and even manipulated by the groundless and unsubstantiated speculation and suspicions of a certain third party....and nothing more , nothing less. I apologize for those posts where I directed a totally unwarranted anger at you. Your contribution here on these pages, like barney's has been much appreciated by many and I feel that this apology is overdue. To Denise as well, wherever she may be:), I'd like to say that I apologize for my relentless 'stalking' of you on forum 3 and going beyond the bounds of merely questioning what you were saying, but questioning YOU personally in terms of your personality integrity. It was a pointless exercize that I now regret as well. I was wrong to think you were anything but that which you claimed to be. And if in the process of being with us, you chose to become a ex, then all I can say is that it would be great to have you share your perspective with us once more on this forum. Then again maybe you've already chosen to do so:) And may the GRACE be with you:::)) Love to you both, Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:58:56 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: All Subject: Re: My apology everyone Message:

I've already apologized to Jim for certain regrettable statements that were nothing more than low shots fired awy in the heat of battle...a battle that shouldn't have even been fought. This was done during the course of a couple of telephone conversations where he graciously accepted my apology, as did his girlfriend Laurie. But I have to make one more apology, and that would be anyone who found themselves traumatized by my 'outbursts' on the forum and their aftermaths. I believe that the forum should be a place where we should all feel confortable in expressing ourselves and like I've already acknowledged, my actions at times, certainly haven't helped that process. I hope the genuine regrets expressed that I've expressed to grrlzone, barney , Marianne and Denise, along with my retirement from my self appointed role as the 'guardian of the forum's purity and integrity'... will serve if even in a small way to make others a little more comfortable with their participation here. I've received alot of support and information here which has been incredibly valuable to me personally in my exiting and breaking free from the cult....and I hope that the forum can continue to offer that to people as long as its necessary. And I really look forward to supporting that process in the future and not sabotaging it. Joey

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:32:48 (EDT) From: Katie Email: None To: Joey Subject: question for Joey Message:

Hey Joey - Are you still mad at me? You trashed me in a big way on A.G. Just checking... Love, Katie

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 03:00:29 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Katie Subject: Re: answer for Katie Message:

Hey Katie, Definitely NOT mad at you, and the trashing was truly the result of one of those non thinking moments, when you regret you've clicked 'submit', almost as soon as you've done it. So if it happened at all, at least it existed in a really brief moment in time, and I'm glad we can clear things up now. So thats it...and you still are Princess Leia!:;;)) Love, Joey

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Date: Sun, Oct 17, 1999 at 12:24:16 (EDT) From: Katie Email: None To: Joey Subject: Thanks, Joey Message:

Dear Joey - Thanks! Since that happened on AG, I haven't wanted to answer any of your posts or get involved in a thread you were in, so your post makes me feel a lot better. IMHO, the whole mess was truly a tangled web, and so many of us got stuck in it. It was a learning experience for me - I have a tendency to over-involvement anyway - and I know that, although I tried to deal with the situation to the best of my ability, I didn't always do the greatest job. Anyway, I really appreciate you taking the initative to straighten things out on Forum IV. BTW, Helen gave me a Princess Leia Pez dispenser, which I now keep above my computer for inspiration :). Take care, Joey - Love, Katie

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:08:30 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Joey Subject: You owe me an apology too Message:

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:32:26 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Sheesh...it was being typed!! Message:

My apology to you was being typed as you were posting this...you should know I'm a really slow typist.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 13:31:31 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Joey Subject: apology gratefully accepted Message:

Thank you, Joey. This chapter is behind us. I look forward to your continued contributions. Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 07:47:51 (EDT) From: Lee Email: None To: All Subject: The Lord's fingernails Message:

Last night I watched a maharaji video for the first time since becoming an ex and I was shocked and annoyed to see that the fat man's fingernails were definitely too long to be able to meditate with. It's not fair - I spent many years bemoaning the fact that my nails just didn't look up to the mark, with 4 of them shorter than the rest. O well, I guess it saved on nail polish.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:50:41 (EDT) From: A Premie Email: None To: Lee Subject: Re: The Lord's fingernails Message:

He doesn't need to meditate since he is that experience. Whoever heard of God having to meditate? It's proposterous!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 14:42:16 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: A Premie Subject: Re: The Lord's fingernails Message:

Who ever heard of GOD needing Money? churches, religions yes but please quote me some scriptures where GOD asks for money for his needs. Talk about preposterous. Surely GOD could turn anything into money. Why on earth would GOD need tax exempt status (or his orginization) If he could create the world in six days and rest on the 7th one would think that GOD could bring peace on earth in a blink of and eye. What are EV/Premies doing to help victims in Turkey or Taiwan? Where does all the money go? Why is it needed. does your comunity have a 'center' that funds have purchased? Do you get to see a finacial statement of your charity. Why Not? Lets be clear m is the experiece of being conned and taken for a ride. That is the experience that m gives. Until you exit the experience and it's trappings you can't see that m is a cult leader.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 20:53:40 (EDT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Ben Lurking Subject: Re: The Lord's fingernails Message:

Er, ahem... Please don't take any notice of A Premie. He's just a guy who still thinks it's how it was back in the seventies. He hasn't realised that things have evolved now and Maharaji's not the Lord any more. And strange as it might seem; his browser type is exactly the same as mine, if you see what I mean.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:22:47 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Re: The Lord's fingernails Message:

I really don't pay attention to browser types there are really only a few. As you know I once played with mine but it bothered some people so I play nice and I always post as Ben Lurking Or Ben now Posting Lurking. I may have to change my alias tho as i am now more a poster than a lurker. Now to the off topic question - there was a woman named Jean who wasd an English photographer who lived in the same Denver ashram as me for awile. She was a nice person. I don't remember her last name but I am curious about what happened to her. thanks Ben

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:22:08 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: I was suckered too Message:

Yes, back on Forum III, A Premie argued that Rotwat should get the Nobel Peace Prize, and I reacted with extreme outrage, not realizing it was those crafty Brits pulling the wool over the eyes of the dumb Yanks once again. A Premie always has his or her tongue firmly implanted in a cheek. An admirer of cheekiness, Marianne the Yank

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:30:14 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: I was suckered too Message:

Well that gets right to the crux of the issue of premiedom, a lot of had trust and trusted people and that is how m pulled the wool over our eyes. I mean think about it how many other people have you run into your life claiming to be god and having enough of a show that it as a scam it was very good which is what kept us in. And then all the proofs, if a=b and z is in the alphabet then m=god. These were leaps of faith, not logic Done Rambling - moving got to check on Dad

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:50:40 (EDT) From: Cynthia G. Email: cynthia@madriver.com To: Lee Subject: Re: The Lord's fingernails Message:

Dear Lee, His toes are very well manicured, too.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:38:13 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: All Subject: Gratitude for Maharaji Message:

Guru Maharaj ji complained that he wasnt getting any gratitude and we were just complaining and 'something'. Anyone care to show some gratitude? He does come by, here is a thread for him.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 07:15:54 (EDT) From: AJW Email: None To: bb Subject: Thank you Maharaji Message:

Hi bb, I suppose, as he thinks he's the Lord of All, he's responsible for the creation and, by definition, our very lives. So he thinks we should be grateful, him being God and all. Trouble is, when you realise he ain't the Lord of All, he's only the Lord of a dwindling, introverted, well past its sell-by date little cult, the perspective changes. So, I suppose I should be grateful for the two second hand shirts, the second hand cashmere sweater, the new leather belt, second hand silk tie and new silk tie with matching hankerchief, plus the odd snack from his kitchen. I've a suspicion Marilyn was responsible for those, but what the hell, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for the cast-offs Maharaji. Anth the Oxfam shopper.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:03:43 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: All Subject: OT- News from the street Message:

In case you are spooked by the financial markets, here is the deal in a nutshell. Our CURRENT monetary system is not based on debt, it is based on the premise that debt must continue to expand. If the amount of debt remained constant, then the money supply would effectively decrease due to the need to pay interest on the existing debt. As the amount of money available for spending and investment decreased, the prices of the assets underpinning the debt would fall. As the reduction in money cupply continued, the value of the assets would eventually fall below the value of the associated liabilites (debt), leading to financial failures on a grand scale. If the amount of debt (money) in the system ceases to expand, a very lengthy and painful cleansing process would commence. If debt must continue to expand to prevent a financial crisis, then anything that curtails the ability of the system to create more debt must be dealt with and controlled. Greenspan has some rough choices before him, LOWER the interest rates, to save the 50 trillion plus interest rate derivitives market from a debt crunch disaster, but the dollar is in trouble, with our neighbors, the other governments whom we pass our debt to while we buy all thier products. This endless debt game is workable for a while, but like the Tulip disaster in Holland some centuries ago, at one point who can keep providing the money? There was a interesting example of this in Quatar in the oil rich gulf, they were dirt poor, then came oil, then they started thier own stock market, companies were 'listed' on their stock market that were just local businesses! One former driver, (I mean that was his job), ended up having 40 BILLION dollars of net worth! Then in mid summer, the market just stopped! Everyone just somehow realized it was based on nothing real. Joes delivery shop, with 2 trucks, isnt worth billions! Like one spectacular Tulip isnt worth over a million Guilders in Holland centuries ago. What is the basis of worth in a tulip? If we all agree there is worth, we can bid the price up and up but.... Since the new religion of endless debt became convenient and came in a way that seemed sensible and brilliant, and landed it's prophets in the US governments top financial jobs, treasury and fed, we have benefitted from the vast increase of money. Benefitted is certainly an understatement. Too bad most americans now live leveraged out on a limb also, because turns out that the OLD religion, when gold and silver meant something and were used to balance excess and provide solidity to nations dealings, hasnt died the death of smothering that the new religion has tried vigorously to execute. (since this is a religious topic, maybe it isnt off topic!) Anyway, the new religon is desperately trying to STILL kill off gold and silver by massive manipulation of the price of gold and silver, trying to keep it low. However, SOME other nations, deep as they are in the mess that we have here, are trying to get on thier own footing and break away as carefully, but as much as they can from the present --experiment-- in endless debt with no basis but precarious derivitives and what not. Gold will bounce between 225-330 for a while because that is the decision of the huge money guys trapped and yet refuseing to die. (not that I blame them, all of us will be hurt) However, the game is a classic financial bubble and the old monetary system will come back. Thier new religion might have lasted longer if they had known how to figure in human nature and imbalances in the structure they set up, on the bright side, we have had a very large ride and much good was done to the lifestyles of billions. The fundamentals are going to change. No stopping it, although the pain will be delayed because all the players dont even see it yet and even those that do are blinking in disbelief, it cant be, and they immerse themselves in a new religion 'satsang' and see the other members of the debt cult still singing 'Hare greenspan, greenspan greenspan' and will see the infusion of vast new debt into the system in the next few months propelling it on, but, it is just more speed off the cliff. Nice velocity on the way down! 'I feel the wind of an enourmous injection of new money!!!!' Yet, the small family, no thrill for them, their lives are about to be upended by the mismanagment of the greatest money machine the humans ever made. How typical of us! Put a bug in the computers and forget it, and take a supurb economy, (with ups and downs, no problem there,) and hallucinate a road of unlimited riches. Nice, real nice. Anyway, here is the investment I am reccomending, ECU Silver Mining. I know we are cult members left hardly better than former heroin addicts, but get out of debt, take your money and invest it there and you will make out ok. By the way, dont expect to read anything like this in any available source until after the fact. Todays new york times didnt have a peep about ANYTHING. All just bhole shri's and new financial debt religion 'satsang'. Even those that know arent in any mood to get anyone makeing it worse by reacting before THEY can try and get thier money safe. It's unfortunate, but, blame the DNA or the buddhist wheel of life! Blame the 'oneness'! Cant blame god right? He doesnt exist, OR he is all love right? 'the devil knows not for whom he works' comes to mind. Goodnight!

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 20:23:06 (EDT) From: JHB Email: None To: bb Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

Well, I've read the rest of this, and it's logically nonsense. Having worked for 10 years in investment banking, I've seen the calibre of people employed there. I do not think that the scenario you describe would not be anticipated by such people if there was the remoted possibility of it happening. John the optimist.

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Date: Tues, Oct 19, 1999 at 01:01:15 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: JHB Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

Hi John, print out the post anyway and save it in some looney bin for a few months. Later, see how off the mark it is.

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 20:13:21 (EDT) From: JHB Email: None To: bb Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

ur CURRENT monetary system is not based on debt, it is based on the premise that debt must continue to expand. If the amount of debt remained constant, then the money supply would effectively decrease due to the need to pay interest on the existing debt. This assumes that the amount of money remains the same. This isn't the case. Wealth creation continues, even through bad economic times, so this argument fails. I'll read some more of your post now. John.

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Date: Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 10:59:42 (EDT) From: Monmot Email: None To: JHB and bb Subject: To bb and JHB Message:

-- I am way out of my league here, but find both your posts educational. One question: Can't wealth creation (love that financial terminology) still occur with the same amount of money floating around? Sort of like 'the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer?' It's not the fixed amount of money out there, it's the distribution of it, right? I know this is probably a Money 101 question for you guys, but I keep waiting for the bubble to burst, so I'm trying to understand the shifting sands, so to speak.

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Date: Tues, Oct 19, 1999 at 00:30:25 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: JHB Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

Hi JHB, NO, the argument doesnt fail on that point. Again, it was a nutshell of the situation, and so elaborations on points are on an as needed basis. Look at japan at the top of it's bubble, gov't running significant budget surplus, confidence running high, retail sales growing 10%, economy growing 5%, corp. profits in double digets, consumer price inflation nonexistant. The bubble, credit bubble, in real estate and elsewhere, collapsed. Interest rates at less than 1% and still they struggle. America has a different type of credit bubble, and vastly larger. The fed's 3 interest rate cuts and fannie mae and freedie mac and banks were vigorous partners in reliquifying the system this last year. The massive security boom represented only a short term fix to provide the appearance of stability. Who will keep buying all the securities for sale as firms struggle to keep themselves in good shape and who will bail out the dollar? The derivitives tied to the interest rates and gold and silver are in danger and the overhang of securities is like a credit monster that cannot be fed in degrading conditions in its super vast state. Credit excesses are to blame for the dangerous conditions and the fed is over it's head. The decline that follows a credit induced bubble is very dependent on the the extent of the bubble that precedes it. The credit bubble we now have is too vast to hope for a smooth landing with 'three days of prep' style effects. It will get more and unlimited liquidity for a while during this period in the hopeless effort to avoid the future, but, the future will arrive. We are hemmorageing money defending the gold price. Tell me why.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 10:00:32 (EDT) From: dv Email: None To: bb Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

So I guess the American economist who won the Nobel Prize this week is of the 'new religion'? Is ECU the stock symbol? I am still paper trading, but going heavy on put spreads, and doing ok. Thanks for your thoughts.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:11:14 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: dv Subject: DV Message:

News is that the gold producers are forming a cartel. And going to cut production one quarter. That is a big blow against the gold derivitive universe.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:11:03 (EDT) From: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: bb Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

Check out: this link.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:35:44 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: Mili Subject: Re: OT- News from the street Message:

Thanks for the link Mili, You know, I am reminded that I used to count on you to provide good off topic of slightly off topic input. Remember me applauding you? If we had the visual link system in place, I'd do it now. It is too late to talk about your link, see you sunday night. Bilovitch

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 00:53:42 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: URL, DD, Premies Subject: $$$$$$$$$$$ Message:

Sounds like it is time for all good premies to suck it up and sell the _____ or borrow against the _____ and feed the current need. Give it up guys, if everything you say works just pass on giving money this lap and see how it feels. Do you feel guilty? Isn't at least time this non profit started behaving fiscally responsible? Or are you going to bypass EV and shovel cash direct to m? Will your kids suffer for it, your spouses, our work, is it really worth it? Tell us what you gave were curious. See ya

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 00:34:45 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: All Subject: Sounds from the World of Knowledge! Message:

New! The Sounds of Knowledge

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 02:54:08 (EDT) From: bb Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Re: Sounds from the World of Knowledge! Message:

'I'm trying to think but nothing happens!' Drek you are amazing. I cant get past the first one! You should put a warning label for Jim so he doesnt try to eat while he listens!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 06:25:11 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: bb Subject: Thanks, just doing my job. Message:

The first one is definitely for Marianne.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:59:16 (EDT) From: Susan Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: What is it called-'You won't be home for Christmas?' Message:

Marianne, that just popped into my head I hope you find it funny too.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 21:36:51 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Susan Subject: Re: What is it called-'You won't be home for Christmas?' Message:

They are all hilarious, especially the one Drek set aside just for me. Aptly named, Susan! Laughter is the best medicine... Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:41:20 (EDT) From: Cynthia G. Email: cynthia@madriver.com To: Roger eDrek Subject: Re: Thanks, just doing my job. Message:

Roger, Your music had me in bliss.....I laughed so hard I almost caused an earthquake.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 00:15:03 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Hey Dog - APOLOGIZE! Message:

DD: You have just insulted both Susan and Abi/grrlzone below. Then you made a bunch of trite, simplistic comments to others. You owe Susan and Abi an apology. What about Jagdeo, Dog? Aren't you concerned about what he did and may still be doing? Do you have children? How long have you been a premie? Do you have sisters? Daughters? Are you a female? Have you no shame? I thought you were decent, but your carefree insult spree after heaping verbal abuse upon Abi and Susan has convinced me otherwise. Jerk! Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:25:19 (EDT) From: Susan Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: that phrase Message:

I have heard and used the phrase innocent until proven guilty many times. Until lately I never knew how the phrase might make someone who knows someone is guilty and was hurt by that person feel. It makes you feel like you are not believed. I know that we have a presumption of innocence in our courts and that is probably a good thing. In my life I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But, people who cannot be 'proven' guilty are often factually guilty. It just depends on how well they covered their tracks, scared their victims or how well they were protected. I certainly will never use the phrase again to a person who may have been hurt by the one who I cannot 'prove' is guilty.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:43:47 (EDT) From: Mickey Moss Email: ickymickey@home.com To: Susan Subject: Re: that phrase Message:

Susan, et al: Jagdeo is 'innocent until proven guilty' in the eyes of the law, purely in the sense that he hasn't been convicted in criminal court. That doesn't mean that he isn't guilty, or even that he hasn't been proved guilty with regard to some preventive standard. There seems ample evidence against him, certainly enough to warrant taking some preventive action to ensure that he doesn't harm others. So, for these purposes the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty' is not relevant. He's a child molester, to a high level of certitude. That's both alarming and pathetic, given his spiritual charge. It is also far too typical of people who supposedly have high spiritual credentials, like Sai Baba. Wonder what's up with that? --MM

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Date: Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 13:46:14 (EDT) From: Joey Email: None To: Mickey Moss Subject: Re: that phrase Message:

He's a child molester, to a high level of certitude. That's both alarming and pathetic, given his spiritual charge. It is also far too typical of people who supposedly have high spiritual credentials, like Sai Baba. Wonder what's up with that? Well I'll tell you what I'm wondering...I'm wondering if two wrongs make a right. The constant premie referals in this issue to cases of sexual abuse that have occurred elsewhere, does in no way minimize what has happened in our own stinking little cult. It doesn't excuse Jagdeo, nor does it excuse m whom for his own selfish reasons and nothing else, decided to sweep the issue under the carpet. And of course, reprehensible as it is...he's attempting to do the same thing today. Maharaji has learned nothing, and he hasn't changed.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:17:17 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Re: Hey Dog - APOLOGIZE! Message:

DD: I did read your response to me. I also read your post that said 'No one tells me what to do'. I read that you had kids. Sorry, but none of that excuses your behavior tonight. If Susan or Abi was one of your daughters, you would feel the same way. They are my dear friends, and it is my obligation to defend them. The fact that DLM/EV has done nothing to deal with the Jagdeo issue makes me more and more angry as the days pass. He is innocent til proven guilty, just like M, who legally is considered to be responsible for his actions. Why the silence in the face of these accusations? And no DD, you can't be a jerk to my friends this night even when you've had a bad week. Make others suffer, not them. Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 23:19:30 (EDT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Hey Dog - APOLOGIZE! Message:

Marianne, I've been married 22 years and I've raised up four beautiful kids. In fact the two eldest are even more mature than I am. DD

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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 20:18:01 (EDT) From: Enough Email: None To: All Subject: AMAROO 2000 Message:

Yes, that's right. Just called up the local cult info line and that was the news. Special event this weekend to talk it up. Me suspects that more funds will be necessary in order to make ready for this Spring event. Then, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen.. Sorry, no refunds. THE BLOTU will also be scamming India this Nov. as well. This info plus the Visions mailer indicates major cash crisis AGAIN!

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 11:50:39 (EDT) From: What Day is it? Email: None To: Enough Subject: Re: AMAROO 2000 Message:

Spring? Where do you live? Northern Hemisphere?

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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 21:26:36 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Enough Subject: Happy Loma Prieta, Enough (OT) Message:

Hi Enough! Oh, I love the supposition that Rotwat is potentially having money troubles. Maybe people really did quit sending money because of Jagdeo... Hope springs eternal! Maybe he's trying to build up a defense fund... I recall that you were here for Loma Prieta on Oct. 17, 1989, just like Ben. The local papers are full of EQ stuff and crystal ball gazing about the next Big One. Will be thinking of you and Ben on Sunday. I always look for your posts, too, Enough. Love that moniker. Love, Marianne

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 07:51:15 (EDT) From: Cal Tech Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Shake 'n Bake: So. Cal Just Had 7.0 Quake Message:

Start talking about quakes, and whaddya get? Just got shaken awake with a 7.0.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 08:19:33 (EDT) From: AJW Email: None To: Cal Tech Subject: Are you sure... Message:

...it wasn't just the folk upstairs making whoopee? Anth of the vivid imagination.

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:00:02 (EDT) From: Cal Tech Email: None To: AJW Subject: Re: Are you sure... Message:

It's that damn Thor and Aphrodite at it again...Sex of the Gods: so good that the earth moves for everyone. :)))

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 04:09:19 (EDT) From: Enough Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Happy Loma Prieta, Enough (OT) Message:

When I publish the definitive list of nicknames for the living lord, Rotwat will be on it. It's been 10 years? Funny how we relate to time. It is rather blank for the first 7 and then my escape from the cult. Do you live in the City? What's left of my family is down in Burlingame/ San Mateo?

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Date: Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:15:07 (EDT) From: Ben Lurking Email: BenLurk@aol.com To: Enough Subject: Re: Happy Loma Prieta, Enough (OT) Message:

GMJ= Greedy Manipulative Jerk LOTU=Leeching Off The Unsuspecting GM=Gimmee Money M=money m=mark Premie=Person Repeativley Emitting Money In Enslavement

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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 22:44:34 (EDT) From: Susan Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Marianne...I can't find that phone # you just gave me. Call me if you read this Message:

nt

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