Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 10
From: Wed, Nov 03, 1999 To: Sun, Nov 14, 1999 Page: 2 Of: 5


Jim -:- Investigative Report's on Jonestown -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 02:02:19 (EST)
__ Cynthia G. -:- Re: Investigative Report's on Jonestown -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 08:24:54 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Yes, the CIA connection was amazing -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 11:31:01 (EST)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Jonestown -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 12:28:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Quit fucking with me, Marianne -- now I KNOW you're a plant -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 22:08:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- It's a lot more complicated than TV -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 23:18:15 (EST)

Deputy Dog -:- Who are we? -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:23:52 (EST)
__ Mili -:- Re: Who are we? -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 17:02:47 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- Some More Quotes -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 18:58:24 (EST)
__ __ __ youngold -:- Re: Some More Quotes -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:06:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, youngold -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:56:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Thanks again, youngold -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:31:50 (EST)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Thanks Mili - Just added it to Favorites (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 17:25:09 (EST)

Balckdog -:- The truth about BraveNot, -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:58:55 (EST)
__ JW -:- You Protest Too Much -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 14:05:49 (EST)
__ Know It All -:- libel suit -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:49:28 (EST)
__ __ Black dog -:- Re: libel suit -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:40:47 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- You're wrong, blackheart -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 11:21:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Blackheart.... -:- Blackheart? yes, yes, I love it -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 22:53:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- GOD, is there a single premie with any brains out there?? -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 17:23:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Blackfool -:- sdrawkcab ti tog I kniht tnod I ,oN -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:16:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- That's where the danger is -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 04:47:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Blackheart -:- Black Balls? Well not last time I looked.... -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 13:51:17 (EST)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: The truth about BraveNot, -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 04:40:19 (EST)
__ __ Blacksmog - I like that! -:- Re: The truth about BraveNot, -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:54:08 (EST)
__ __ Hal 9000 -:- Re: The truth about Life...It's very short. -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:34:53 (EST)
__ __ __ octopus -:- Re: The truth about Life...It's very short. -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 10:14:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Hal 9000 -:- Re: The truth about Life...It's very short. -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:52:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Poor old Catweasel -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:18:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cheech -:- Re: Wealthy,Virile ,Young Catweasel -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 05:56:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- But you and Blackdog are sworn enemies! -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:13:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ DAVE??DAVE???HAL......HAL???? -:- Re: But you and Blackdog are sworn Blood Brothers? -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:29:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackheart -:- Will someone PULLEASE clue me in? -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 23:07:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ned Kelly -:- Re: Will someone PULLEASE clue me in? -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 08:36:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackheart -:- None the wiser but it matters not -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 14:13:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Y'all (or you) are getting on my nerves -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 19:39:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackheart -:- Re: Y'all (or you) are getting on my nerves -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:26:48 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Y'all (or you) are getting on my nerves -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:37:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cerberus -:- I think I like THIS name better now! -:- Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 00:03:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Hey Cerberus Honey -:- Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 00:23:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cerberus -:- Re: Hey Cerberus Honey -:- Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 00:43:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Hey Cerberus Honey -:- Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 01:03:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- You both paint a pretty picture -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 12:04:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackheart -:- and Rolf Harris the artist, I bet? -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 14:18:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- the three-headed dog -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 12:52:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Tasmanian Devil??? -:- Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 04:20:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Tasmanian Devil??? -:- Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 13:34:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Hey Sophie...Who's Da Skip you're Bonkin?????? -:- Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 20:21:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Hey Sophie...Who's Da Skip you're Bonkin?????? -:- Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 20:13:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cerberus -:- Guarding the Gates of Hades, or, its reigning Cats and Dogs!! (groan) -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 14:28:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Guarding the Gates of Hades, or, its reigning Cats and Dogs!! (groan) -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 17:15:50 (EST)
__ Roger eDrek -:- BDog has got us on the run or he has the runs -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 01:41:23 (EST)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: BDog has got us on the run or he has the runs -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:17:19 (EST)

Roger eDrek -:- Being John Malkovich - See it now! -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:55:32 (EST)
__ Deputy Dog -:- There's a guy in our community who is a lot like John Malkovich (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:31:23 (EST)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Doggie, that was your best post ever! (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:30:34 (EST)

Roger eDrek -:- Bad routers on the way to paradise -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:19:52 (EST)
__ Ms. K -:- Roger, honey, Paradise sucks! -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:41:20 (EST)

URL -:- Premies, let's blow this popstand.. -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 21:21:22 (EST)
__ Nigel -:- May ye ne'er fuck off again... -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 21:47:10 (EST)
__ JW -:- I Will Miss You -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 13:59:23 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- URL's over with his duty -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 09:19:57 (EST)
__ __ Informed Source -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 19:25:03 (EST)
__ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 20:25:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Informed Source -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 20:47:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 21:07:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Informed Source -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 21:21:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 22:54:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Informed Source -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 09:17:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: URL's over with his duty -:- Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 10:52:29 (EST)
__ RULooney? -:- let's blow this popstar and be young and free!!!!. -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:50:05 (EST)
__ Enough -:- Re: ' The fish in the water.... -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 04:48:01 (EST)
__ Mickey Moss -:- Are the bars still open? -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 01:25:53 (EST)
__ __ Mendl Mosskovitch -:- Even if the bars ARE open Mickey...isn't it time for you to go home now??? -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:22:23 (EST)
__ Blackdog -:- The party's over at Daves place -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:31:28 (EST)
__ __ Blackdog -:- Sir Insomniac -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:14:43 (EST)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Sir Insomniac -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:27:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- Re: Sir Insomniac -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 00:10:34 (EST)
__ A Premie Jr. -:- Re: Premies, let's blow this popstand.. -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:28:07 (EST)
__ __ Pauline Premie -:- Re: Premies, let's blow this popstand.. -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 14:12:41 (EST)
__ __ __ A Premie Jr. -:- Pauline, I'm really blissed out -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:29:33 (EST)
__ __ Mother Theresa -:- Re: Premies, blow my popstand..I missed out -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:56:36 (EST)
__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Premies, let's blow this popstand.. -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:27:14 (EST)
__ Jim -:- Good, Url, I'll hold you to it -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:03:10 (EST)
__ __ URL -:- One parting shot at my favorite target... -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 16:47:42 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- For ME?? Why, I'm so honoured... -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 22:05:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ impartial observer -:- Yeah, Jim, URL whooped your ass everytime! (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:34:26 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ The Gay Reciever -:- Re: Yeah, Jim, URL stuck it up your ass everytime! (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:00:07 (EST)

Ben Lurking -:- Contributions -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 20:45:55 (EST)

Forum Administrator -:- The Official Word -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 18:15:52 (EST)
__ Know It All -:- Re: The Official Word -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:26:15 (EST)
__ __ Forum Elves -:- Re: The Official Word -:- Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:52:27 (EST)
__ Blackdog -:- Re: The Official Word -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:50:20 (EST)

Marianne -:- Forum 5 -Don't Go There! -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:06:28 (EST)
__ Powerman -:- Re: Forum 5 -Don't Go There! -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 17:01:05 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Don't be so paranoid! -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:25:05 (EST)
__ Joey -:- Thanks Marianne....wise advice!! (nt) -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:18:07 (EST)

who knows -:- FORUM 5 -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 14:28:29 (EST)
__ who knows -:- Re: FORUM 5(the link) -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 14:54:42 (EST)
__ __ gerry the wary -:- Hey, this place looks familiar... -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:08:09 (EST)
__ __ gerry the weary -:- Hey, this place looks familiar... -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:07:57 (EST)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Meditate Gerry and the answer will come to you (nt) -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:23:00 (EST)
__ __ __ who knows -:- send a nice Chateau Lafitte the the administrator -:- Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:21:36 (EST)


Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 02:02:19 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Investigative Report's on Jonestown
Message:
Anyone see the A&E show on Jonestown tonight? Marianne? Amazing. Chilling. And really, all kidding aside, just a small vector off Maharaji's trajectory. Too much. Scary.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 08:24:54 (EST)
From: Cynthia G.
Email: cynthia@madriver.com
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Investigative Report's on Jonestown
Message:
Dear Jim,

I did watch that show. Apparently A&E 's Investigative Reports is doing a weeklong study about these cults. The WACO thing is tonight.

The report was indeed very chilling. The alleged CIA involvement was interesting, too. Secrets, secrets, secrets. I'd never heard that Jones never intended to die along with his followers. That says a lot about who he cared about.

Be well, Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 11:31:01 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cynthia G.
Subject: Yes, the CIA connection was amazing
Message:
Unless IR's got it wrong, there's a really strong basis for suspecting Jones as having been some sort of CIA hack in his earlier years. Marianne? What do you know about any of this Dwyer stuff?
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 12:28:06 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jonestown
Message:
Hi there everyone. I saw the A&E documentary. I was contacted by some of the former PT members when it was being done and they wanted me to talk to the reporters. The reporters never contacted me -- they wanted the PT members, which makes sense.

As for the CIA stuff, A&E went overboard and included some unfactual information. There is no actual evidence anywhere that Dwyer was a CIA agent at the time Jonestown happened. We did a lot of research into his background and concluded that he was an agent then and had been for years, but the judge hearing the case blocked us from asking Dwyer on the stand if he was affiliated with the CIA. And, one of the investigators who who worked on this case is one of the top criminal defense investigators in the US, if not the world, so I feel confident in what I'm saying here. It was always a suspicion which we could never nail down. Guyanese government officials later wanted to blame the CIA for what happened because the whole situation made the Guyanese goverment look bad.

Jones was not employed by the CIA or state department, EVER! He did go to Belo Horizonte, Brazil for a couple of years, in the company of his wife, kids, and a handful of cult members. Did you see that document they showed which asked Jones to come to the American Embassy in Belo Horizonte and meet someone? I found that document in hundreds of thousands of papers which were seized at Jonestown. It had a photo attached to it too. We located the author of the letter and interviewed him. The author recalled the letter and Jones (amazing after 25 years) and tried to explain it away. We all concluded that there was some contact between Jones and the CIA during this time, but that it was not the grand CIA experiment we had suspected. We concluded Jones was interesting to the CIA, and may have given them information when he was in South America, but that he was never an 'asset' of The Company. The claims that he was travelling all around South America and was well known to Dan Mitrione, the CIA agent who trained all the counter-insurgency police forces in that area in the early '60's, are total speculation, and unfounded. We interviewed Mitrione. We also so extensively investigated Jones ourselves that we could account for his whereabouts from the time of his birth. PT members did say that when he returned from Belo Horizonte, he was a different person.

When the airstrip shooting took place, the PT shooters were focused on the people who were defecting, Congressman Ryan and his aide, Jackie Speier (now in the California legislature). (Aside: one of Ryan's daughters became a follower of Rajneesh, another was very involved in the Cult Awareness Network).

If you have more questions, I'll answer them. Our conclusion was that the CIA had their finger on the pulse of PT, especially when they moved to the Guyanese jungle, in an area of land that was the subject of dispute between Guyana and Brazil. They paid attention to Jones in bits and pieces but did not control him. The CIA missed the boat, just like almost everyone else.

As for the Jones - Rotwat comparison, I've said before that I think it is totally valid.

Marianne

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 22:08:44 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Quit fucking with me, Marianne -- now I KNOW you're a plant
Message:
Thanks for explaining all that. I guess what I wonder is WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT???, you know? Like what was that whole goddammed mess about? Besides being the singularly scariest and most heartbreaking thing I've ever seen (on Investigative Reports, at least). Tell me, Marianne, what do YOU think Jonestown was about? What was DWYER about?

And you say that one of Ryan's daughters (wasn't that a David Lean movie with Sarah Miles) became a Rajneeshie? Disgusting. Tragic and disgusting.

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 23:18:15 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It's a lot more complicated than TV
Message:
Jim: I'm in the midst of filing a brief in one of my capital cases. I could spend weeks discussing PT, Jones & Jonestown with you. It wasn't a CIA plot. The evidence just isn't there. Yes, it was truly heartbreaking and the one of the most difficult cases I've worked on in my career. You've asked me what I think it was about. There's just no time to do this now. Later, when I'm done with this brief..... A&E spent a few months looking at PT. I spent years working on it. I can tell you that they never read the 20,000 pages of trial transcripts from the 2 Layton trials (one of the A&E reporters personally admitted that to my co-counsel) and nor did they review any of the court files, exhibits, grand jury testimony, etc. Relying on what people say 20 years after an incredibly traumatic event when there is a testimonial record immediately following the events is suspect journalism, in my opinion.

Gotta go. Talk to you in a few days. If you want, we can talk this weekend. And I am a plant -- a forsythia!

xxxxoooo, your ardent fan, Marianne

Marianne

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:23:52 (EST)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Who are we?
Message:
We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.

Shakespeare (The Tempest)

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 17:02:47 (EST)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: Who are we?
Message:
Hey Dep, check out some more cool stuff at the Oasis.
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 18:58:24 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Some More Quotes
Message:
'The fine rain, the gentle rain, poured equally over the mitred and the bareheaded with an impartiality that suggested that the god of rain, if there was a god, was thinking: Let it not be restricted to the very wise, the very great, but let all breathing kind, the muckers and chewers, the ignorant, the unhappy, those who toil in the furnace making innumerable copies of the same pot, those who bore red hot minds through contorted letters, and also Mrs. Jones in the alley, share my beauty.'
-Virginia Woolf 'The Years'

'As an adult, I still believe that we become the reflection we see in the eyes of others, so it's important that someone tells us we're all right. That may seem childish, but only to those who have paid no dues and have no question mark about who they are, because their own experience or lack of it has never required them to define themselves...
They have never heard a shot fired in anger, done time, walked through a mortared village, seen a nineteen-year-old gunner go apeshit in a free-fire zone. They sleep without dreaming. They yawn at the disquietude of those who they can't understand. No one will ever need to tell them that they are all right.

I think for some the soul has the same protean shape as fire, or a collection of burning sticks that melts and hisses through the snow until only an ill-defined and soot-streaked hollow remains to indicate the nature of flame and its passage through ice.

Then someone tells you you are all right.'

-James Lee Burke 'Black Cherry Blues'

'In a highway service station
Over the month of June
Was a photograph of the earth
Taken coming back from the moon
And you couldn't see a city
On that marble bowling ball
Or a forest, or a highway,
Or me here least of all
You couldn't see these cold water restrooms
Or this baggage overload
Westbound and rolling, taking refuge in the road.
- Joni Mitchell 'Refuge of the Roads'

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:06:35 (EST)
From: youngold
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Some More Quotes
Message:
katie, you're alright.
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:56:19 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: youngold
Subject: Thanks, youngold
Message:
I thought I'd probably bore people - glad I did not.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:31:50 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: youngold
Subject: Re: Thanks again, youngold
Message:
BTW and just so you know - Brian and I never reveal anything that we know as a result of being webmasters. Thanks very much!

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 17:25:09 (EST)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Thanks Mili - Just added it to Favorites (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:58:55 (EST)
From: Balckdog
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The truth about BraveNot,
Message:
By which I mean Dave's so-called 'let's hide here and lick our wounds away from all those big bad premies' sanctuary is nothing more than a platform for anti-maharaji propoganda, without at least the balance sometimes available here of opposing views and information from premies.

Take his latest bandwagon: I'm gonna rat on Elan Vital to the British Charity Commission.

Grow up you berk.

For those, like me, who are blocked (joke) from his site, here is a sample:

I will write to the Charity Commission and tell them that to the best of my knowledge, Elan Vital is a business with the sole aim of providing funds for Maharaji for his own personal use and NOT for the use outlined in the Charity Commission Elan Vital document.

Does anyone else have any suggestions of what else I could put in my letter? Facts, figures or anything else please.

What else you could put in your letter? Er, how about supporting evidence? Your connection with the organization? (The fact that you left 20 years ago and are still obsessed enough to put up a website like that will do wonders for your credibility with them, Dave, for sure)

For the record, here is Elan Vital's entry:

Object:
TO ADVANCE THE EDUCATION IN THE UNDERSTANDING AND REALISATION OF HUMAN POTENTIAL THROUGH SELF-KNOWLEDGE BASED UPON THE TEACHINGS OF PREM PAL SINGH RAWAT K/A MAHARAJI.

Now whether or not you agree with the effectiveness or worthiness of that statement, I would like to know what hard evidence you have that this objective is false.

...to the best of my knowledge

What knowledge would that be Dave. Come on, do tell, is there something you'd like to share with the group? You been wearing a raincoat and dark glasses for the past 20 years, sneaking around EV offices and Maharaji's home gathering 'evidence'?

You said a while ago you were 'retired'. Good idea, methinks you're a little senile there old boy. Be sure and notify us when you are called to give evidence in court, I wouldn't miss that for anything. Of course, that may be at your libel hearing, as opposed to a Charity Commission investigation, but should still be entertaining.

Love and kisses.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 14:05:49 (EST)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Balckdog
Subject: You Protest Too Much
Message:
If Elan Vital and the cult have nothing to hide, I don't see why it concerns you that Sir Dave would ask questions of an agency the purpose of which is to protect the public and the taxpayers from non-profits that really aren't.

Of course we don't have docmumentary proof. Elan Vital is too secretive for that, but with the power of the government, an investigation can be performed, people can testify, and documents can be obtained.

I think it would be obvious to anyone that Elan Vital is about alot more than advancing 'education.' Maharaji has done quite well for himself and it all looks quite suspicious. Any light shed on the financial doings of EV and all the related companies could only be a good thing. The fact that you protest so much suggests to me that you think there is something to hide.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:49:28 (EST)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Balckdog
Subject: libel suit
Message:
Bring on that libel suit, Blackdog! Then we can subpoena all of DLM/EV''s financial records, going back to 1971. We can subpoena all of M's financial records. We can take M's testimony under oath. We can take Glen Whitaker's testimony under oath. We can take Marolyn's testimony under oath! Everyone who was ever in any position of power can be deposed! Lots of fun, lots of dirty laundry to expose. And lots of attorneys' fees to get from DLM/EV for filing a frivolous law suit.
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:40:47 (EST)
From: Black dog
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: Re: libel suit
Message:
I think you've been watching too much Ali McBeal!

I seriously doubt any court in England would entertain all that grandstanding in a simple case of unsubstantiated libel. Remember, the onus would be on the libelor to prove his/her claims and demonstrate what evidence they had at the time of committing the libel, not on Elan Vital to prove itself innocent of the accusations. Elan Vital, on the other hand, would have no difficulty proving hostility and malace of intent on the part of the defendant.

Of course this is all pure personal speculation on my part, I have no connection with Elan Vital so can't say how they would respond in any given situation, I just don't think the reality of the British Courtroom bears any resemblance to your apparant litiginous fantasies. But please, go ahead and enjoy them all the same, if it brightens your day.

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 11:21:27 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Black dog
Subject: You're wrong, blackheart
Message:
Know it All's right. A libel action would invariably trigger all these Examinations for Discovery ('depositions' in the states) and Maharaji would most certainly be included. Hey, don't believe me? Ask any lawyer you know. That's a given.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 22:53:56 (EST)
From: Blackheart....
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Blackheart? yes, yes, I love it
Message:
I think from now on that will be my new handle. Thank you Mr Jim, an excellent turn of phrase, you don't mind if I use that, do you?

Well I've no reason to disbelieve you on the legal thing, I don't know any more about the laws really than the next man, and I'm not going to fork out £150 to ask a lawyer! So subpoena away, why don't you? I mean really, if you gentlemen (and ladies) are so sure you have a genuine grievance and are so obviously public spirited, what on earth is holding you back? In fact, don't you think you have a duty to go ahead with Sir Dave's Charity Commsission action, and whatever other dastardly plans you've been making in your secret online lairs?

I think that even if your wildest, wackiest dreams were realized and Maharaji ended up doing porridge, it would not stop premies loving and supporting him. In fact, it may trigger a wave of generosity and loyalty of phenominal proportions. Funny how things can turn around and backfire on the antagonist sometimes. Oh, and I would also venture that it would not stop the spread of Knowledge either.

So go right ahead and make your moves, but please, get on with it will you? All the taunts and 'just you wait, we'll get you' crap is getting so old it's embarrassing.

love and kisses
Blackheart

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 17:23:24 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Blackheart....
Subject: GOD, is there a single premie with any brains out there??
Message:
Listen, fool,

You're the one who brought up the subject of a possible libel action by the supposedly-defamed Fat Fuck of Malibu. What's wrong with you that you can't keep a simple idea like that in place? Now you've got it all backwards! Here's how it works:

1) We say shit about Maharaji.

2) He sues us.

3) We force him to finally answer some questions.

Get it?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:16:28 (EST)
From: Blackfool
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: sdrawkcab ti tog I kniht tnod I ,oN
Message:
Jim,

Sorry if you were confused on this one. I was actually transposing in a discussion Dave and I were having in his War Room.

He was announcing his plans to write to the Charity Commission in England about Elan Vital, and the various twists and turns led to hints that the aforenamed organization could pass matters onto the Police and ultimately the Crown Prosecution Service for action.

I brought up the 'libel' suggestion, yes, but the above post, for which you kindly provided me with a handy new lower orifice, was meant to extrapolate on the Grander Plan of putting Maharaji down which Dave and others have been pontificating about for a considerable time.

Hope that clears things up for you.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 04:47:13 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Blackheart....
Subject: That's where the danger is
Message:
In fact, it may trigger a wave of generosity and loyalty of phenominal proportions. Funny how things can turn around and backfire on the antagonist sometimes. Oh, and I would also venture that it would not stop the spread of Knowledge either.

Interesting concept you've got there Blackballed. However, anyone with any understanding of cults knows that often when the cult or the cult leader is backed against the wall that strange and dangerous things can happen. The leader can get quite wierd and the followers as well.

While Marianne is the expert on Jim Jones and the Jonestown Suicide, I believe that the outcome might have been influenced by the inevitable crackdown by the U.S. Government after Rep. Leo Ryan's visit.

Ok, what can we imagine here? Maharaji takes it in the shorts, pays huge fines, gets sued, whatever. We know that Maharaji loves and needs money like a junkie needs dope. I would imagine that Maharaji with his outrageous and oppulent tastes cannot afford to back off. His overhead and monthly nut must be HUGE! And you'd better believe that as his children are getting older he's got to pay them off with items larger and more expensive than toys. It's not like these kids could ever get by on a meager pay check from McDonalds. Didn't the girls pull off a trip to Paris at the expense of the French premies.

So, you can see the picture I'm painting. Maharaji would become desperate. You could expect additional participation meetings in your community from Yoram Weiss and what it would all mean is that premies would have to sacrifice even more and send Maharaji more money instead of taking care of their own kids, their own lives.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 13:51:17 (EST)
From: Blackheart
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Black Balls? Well not last time I looked....
Message:
OK we won't go there!

I'm following your drift and I do agree, if this hypothetical turn of events does happen. But you didn't finish the story, or did I miss it (Dave thinks I'm a bit thick because I not up on military history, so bear with me)

We both got to the point where Maharaji is prosecuted, found guilty - I had him in the clink, you were kinder and just lumped a hefty fine on him, then we see Yoram going round asking for support (I think it would be forthcoming in buckets before that even, but anyway...) and us premies are having to make sacrifices, the millionaires among us have to give up the new yacht this year, etc.

But that's where you stopped. I'm with you 100% so far. Did you have a point to make? My point is that tens of thousands of premies around the world will do whatever they can to help Maharaji because we love him. If he has to do time, well, he'll survive, the lawyers will appeal, re-examine the charity structure - hey next time maybe they'll just form a for-profit corporation instead, who cares?

My point is that things could be rough for Maharaji for a time, but he is determined, committed and resourceful and he has the full backing of a tremendous number of people around the world. He believes in what he is doing, he has grace behind him and human resources any Fortune 500 company would envy.

So he, we, will bounce back, wiser perhaps and better prepared, and Knowledge will continue to be made available for those who want it.

And your point was? Jonestown? Waco? If you think that you're just a sick bastard....and very, very wrong.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 04:40:19 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Balckdog
Subject: Re: The truth about BraveNot,
Message:
Blacksmog, you wrote:

"...anti-maharaji propoganda, without at least the balance sometimes available here of opposing views and information from premies."

Eee, that's a laff innit! Like we get all these 'unbalanced' premies to give us their point of view, as if we're going to take a blind but of notice.

Anyway, Blacksmog, thanks for the extra info on getting Maharaji's charitable status investigated. Although I'd already read it on the Commission site, it's always good to get extra input from someone who cares so much about this issue.

I am retired. Personally I couldn't give a damn about Maharaji and his silly little cult. I am 'detached' to use a well worn phrase.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:54:08 (EST)
From: Blacksmog - I like that!
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: The truth about BraveNot,
Message:
I am retired. Personally I couldn't give a damn about Maharaji and his silly little cult. I am 'detached' to use a well worn phrase.

Dave, the only thing that is detached, I suspect, is your medulla oblongata.

So you are planning to spend your retirement organizing secret, password-protected résistance-style strategic attacks on Elan Vital? (Your last post on Bravenet) What's next, bomb factories?

For someone who couldn't give a damn, you seem to be giving this a lot of time and energy. Why don't you take up bowls instead? It's a much nicer way to spend your Golden Years.

love and kisses:)

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:34:53 (EST)
From: Hal 9000
Email: Arthur Clarkes Cat Basket
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: The truth about Life...It's very short.
Message:
Dave, this is Hal. Dave are you awake? Dave I'm talking to you. This whole exercise is a total waste of your time. Prepare to merge with the light Dave. It has all been an illusion. Dave can you hear me?Dave?

SHUT THE FUCK UP MAN!!!!! DAVES NOT HOME!!!

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 10:14:41 (EST)
From: octopus
Email: None
To: Hal 9000
Subject: Re: The truth about Life...It's very short.
Message:
Hal,

You and Balckdog sound rather defensive. Is something the matter?

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:52:56 (EST)
From: Hal 9000
Email: Phssst
To: octopus
Subject: Re: The truth about Life...It's very short.
Message:
In the words of Daryl Kernigan' Your Dreamin' !!!!!! Dave , there's not much time. Dave can you hear me . A strange Oceanic creature has attached itself to the Ship. Dave, you must now sleep .Sleep Dave...for 2000 lifetimes.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE ...DAVE'S HOME !!!!!

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:18:05 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Hal 9000
Subject: Poor old Catweasel
Message:
Cat,

Maybe you oughta take a break from your job as defender of the Living Master of Our Time. After all, you must know that it/he is a hopeless cause as He will undo himself sooner or later.

Consider that in the West there is little growth and there is a constant if not increasing exodus as people get wiser with age and start to consider their own needs.

This decrease in membership will make Maharaji nervous and edgy which might cause him to do something stupid like rent the Houston Astrodome for the sequel event.

So, Weasel, you're taking this much too seriously. I don't wish to speak for everybody here, but many of us are just having fun toying with your Maharaji and you.

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 05:56:08 (EST)
From: Cheech
Email: The Corsican Brother
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: Wealthy,Virile ,Young Catweasel
Message:
Why Roger, you dont think I may just be having a little fun myself? I am much better informed about the things you speak of here,so basically I couldn't give a shit whether you believe , show any interest, or fade away.Blackdog is on the money.......a cheap ill-informed,subjective,vindictive propaganda machine.......Cheers 'the Cat'
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:13:38 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Cheech
Subject: But you and Blackdog are sworn enemies!
Message:
Blackdog is Rob and is your sworn enemy, Catweasel. Methinks a Trojan Horse is afoot.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:29:02 (EST)
From: DAVE??DAVE???HAL......HAL????
Email: UH...Daves not Home.
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: But you and Blackdog are sworn Blood Brothers?
Message:
I don't have any enemies in cyberspace, just friends. Evrything is really beautiful. P.S I know Rob's identity.......Brucy Wuccy . Jamie you are so macho!!! OHHHHH Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 23:07:59 (EST)
From: Blackheart
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Will someone PULLEASE clue me in?
Message:
Catweasel

Once and for all. WHO THE FUCK IS THIS ROB THAT SIR DAVE IS OBSESSED WITH? Is he a former lover of his or something? I'm starting to get jealous - (you know I've got the hots for him) - I mean he just don't let up! I feel like I'm missing out on some really juicy in-joke, and none of these barstewards will give me the lowdown. So what exactly is the skivvy, and why is he convinced he's me?

PS Howdya like the new name. Cool eh? Credits to 'Jim' on that one.

PPS Need any more proxies? I can give you links abundamento. We should work out a way of swapping emails without these clowns catching on ;)

PPS Been into recentex lately? Sad, innit?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 08:36:47 (EST)
From: Ned Kelly
Email: Such is Life
To: Blackheart
Subject: Re: Will someone PULLEASE clue me in?
Message:
Well Gee Whiz Black Person , I Dunno!! Could be any motherfucker??? Dave is such a slut......Before when I use to be Catweasel, You used to be Rob , Remember???? We use to hate each other , remember? Can we start again or are we different people now......Rob I'm not real ...Are you?
Are we there yet? Blackperson I'm impessed and I'd rather be on your side of cyberfantasyland....Don't worry about the details.....Lets play ball!!!!......
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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 14:13:52 (EST)
From: Blackheart
Email: None
To: Ned Kelly
Subject: None the wiser but it matters not
Message:
Ned,

Sure I'll be your friend - at least until the windowless van arrives and men in white coats drag you off to a padded cell:)

Then I may have to disown you.

Never was Rob, though I'm beginning to wish I had been, he really seemed to have created an impression in the swamp here.

Nah, I'm not real, just a psychotic delisuion which commonly happens to people who stop practising Knowledge. The mind sort of turns in on itself and starts to chew.

Work on the email thing and I'll give you the recentex password;)

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 19:39:40 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Blackheart
Subject: Y'all (or you) are getting on my nerves
Message:
And I'm sure that's the reason you're posting all this stuff, but sheesh! Quote me one of my own posts from recentex and I'll believe you hacked it. Otherwise, you're full of it.

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:26:48 (EST)
From: Blackheart
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Y'all (or you) are getting on my nerves
Message:
Katie,

I think I object somewhat to being accused of hacking. If I were able to hack into that forum, I wouldn't need the password, now would I? Besides which, I strongly dissapprove of any and all such abuse of the internet, and part of my OU studies involves preventing that kind of thing. (OU = Open University)

Let's just say it was passed on to me by a friend.

As for your nerves, have you tried Valerian? Or perhaps a nice massage from a loved one? Or, dare I say, meditation:)

love and kisses

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:37:52 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Blackheart
Subject: Re: Y'all (or you) are getting on my nerves
Message:
Dear Cerberus -

If a 'friend' gave it to you, then why don't you post there? You might be able to get some support :). I don't respond well to meditation - I prefer visualization. (Massages from my loved one are always welcome, too.) As for valerian - I do use it, along with my benzodiazepenes (snicker).

Love and hugs,
Katie

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Date: Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 00:03:13 (EST)
From: Cerberus
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I think I like THIS name better now!
Message:
Dear Katie,

Well wouldn't that be a silly thing to do? You would simply block me and change the password - well actually, no, I think you realize by now how futile that would be. No the truth is I decided I should respect your need for a sanctuary away from the battleground here (I'm still in Dave's 'War Room' mindset), so you have nothing to be concerned about. Of course, I can't promise I won't pass on any juicy information to Glen, but hey, we're enemies right? At least according to Dave Simpkiss.

Sorry, didn't mean to be personal talking about massages, none of my business. Valerian is great. In England we have a natural sleep/nerve aid called Kalms, has valerian and gentian in it. Don't know if you can get that over there, but if so, you should try it. Much better for you than things I can't even pronounce:)

What do you do when you 'visualize'? I always thought that was just another kind of meditation?

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Date: Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 00:23:12 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Cerberus
Subject: Hey Cerberus Honey
Message:
Dear Cerberus -
(excuse the post title - that's just my 'Southern Woman' coming out...)
Anyway, there's nothing 'juicy' on that forum, believe me (unless you're interested in people's personal thoughts and feelings and so forth). No plots against M or anything like that. BTW, I don't consider you to be an 'enemy', and I wish you wouldn't treat that forum that way either. I wouldn't block you if you posted sincerely - honestly.

I appreciate your 'respectfulness' though - it seems that you realize that the people there just need a place to talk to each other.

Re: calming. Here in the States we use valerian with passionflower. Valerian is a pretty strong sedative, actually - passionflower is more calming and less sedating. I also take melatonin sometimes when I cannot sleep (I am a hyper person)- and it works pretty well. Some people use an herb called kava kava (it is Polynesian) too.

Visualization - I usually just do colors, and the particular color seems to present itself to me when I need it. I also sometimes visualize natural scenes - usually the beach and the ocean. But mostly colors. I guess you could call it another form of meditation (I think someone here once said Gurucharanand 'visualized' Maharaji's feet when they were meditating), but it's not the kind of 'empty mind' meditation that I was taught by M. It's a lot easier for me to do, and works a LOT better for me than M's techniques.

Take care, Cerberus -
Katie

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Date: Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 00:43:32 (EST)
From: Cerberus
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Hey Cerberus Honey
Message:
Dear Katie,

You must have read Dave's 'enemies/war' posts? What's your take on that? Can you see how it's bound to inflame people like myself who love Maharaji and would stand by him under any circumstances? I do hope Dave is just winding me up, really, with his talk of war strategies and enemies and all that. Jokes I can take in my stride - warfare too, if it came to it, but I'd prefer not to. There's enough of that going on outside of our little world, I think.

Good tip about passionflower (does it have any other effects, you know, like the name suggests?). I tried melatonin a few times but now they've banned it over here. Can you believe that? Well, if you lived here you would understand - the British Government is totally repressive and anti-anything that makes people feel good.

I remember a long time ago reading a book which taught you to close your eyes and imagine you're walking through a wood, and sort of describe the scene as you went. Things you saw were supposed to mean something. I tried it for a couple of weeks, it did actually work as far as calming me down and stilling my thoughts, but none of the things I 'saw' in the woods were described in the text of the book. Some of them were pretty scary, actually!

Anyway, the sun's almost up and I'm on the early shift, so I got to finish my tea and get going.

Thanks for the chat, probably the sanest I've had here yet.

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Date: Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 01:03:13 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Cerberus
Subject: Re: Hey Cerberus Honey
Message:
Dear Cerberus -
Unfortunately, 'passionflower' is called that because the way the flower is formed is symbolic of Christ's crucifixion (I don't know the exact details, but that's the truth). The true 'passion' plants for men are yohimbe and saw palmetto, plus others I don't know about. BTW, it's hard to believe melatonin is banned over there! Sheesh!

Regarding David's enemies post: Although I don't want to speak FOR David, I have found him to be a right-minded and accepting person who cares a lot more about what happens in the 'real world' than on these forums. He also likes to make jokes. In a way, this is a kind of game (although, in another way, it's not - some people I know have been really hurt as a result of following Maharaji). David seems to have a very strong grasp on what is important and what is not - if you can, I suggest you e-mail him and talk to him that way. Also, I'd suggest that if you are truly having an experience practicing Maharaji's meditation techniques, then that can never be taken away from you - no matter what happens in 'the real world'.

I have done that 'walking through the wood' visualization, but in a different way. In the visualization I did, the things you found in your path were supposed to be gifts to you - things that would help you on your way.

Anyway, have a good day at work, and don't worry about us ex-premies too much - we're all the same as you at heart!

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 12:04:08 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Ned Kelly
Subject: You both paint a pretty picture
Message:
I can just picture you both together; you, Ned Kelly dressed up in your finest dustbin with a blackbearded, Blackheart at your side. Out of the pub you both stagger, guns blazing and shooting at the empty air as nobody is waiting to ambush you...

They've all gone home to watch 'Neighbours' on TV.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 14:18:15 (EST)
From: Blackheart
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: and Rolf Harris the artist, I bet?
Message:
You should write erotica Dave, I get a stiffy just reading your posts.

And I haven't watched neighbours since Kylie Minogue left!

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 12:52:12 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: the three-headed dog
Message:
Hi Sir D -
I don't know about Rob, but Blackdog/heart and Catweasel and Ned Kelly sure sound like one and the same person to me (especially since I know Catweasel can actually write some pretty good posts when and if he feels like it). And I'm usually not prone to thinking everyone is the same person :). However, after reading your post, I keep picturing a guy with three heads staggering out of a pub (sort of like Cerberus?)

Take care, Sir D.
Love,
Katie

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Date: Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 04:20:55 (EST)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Tasmanian Devil???
Message:
Ned Kelly was Australia's most famous Bushranger. Bit of an Irish Rebel! Cerberus was the Colony of Victoria's first Naval warship. It was sunk in Port Phillip Bay, Melbourne to form an artificial breakwater early this century. I am Catweasel and I have personal integrity. I was wrongly accused of some Johnny Morris[Who-ever the F**K he might be] post and blocked by small minded sookie La La's. Ifyou study the recent archives you may notice an innordinate number of Australian celebrities posting.I am not Black Dog/Heart and don't know his identity. I suspect he may well be a fellow expatriate Skippy.Might I suggest if he has more than one head and is Australian, he more than likely is Tasmanian!
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Date: Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 13:34:38 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Re: Tasmanian Devil???
Message:
Dear Catweasel -
I'll accept what you say about not being 'Blackdog/heart/Cerberus'. I think he might be Australian, too, though (I'm not sure what you mean by expatriate Skippy - or 'sookie La La' - care to clue me in?) You and he tend to use the same type of slang, so that's where my guess came from.

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 20:21:20 (EST)
From: Catweasel
Email: The Australian Goverment Department Of Information
To: Katie
Subject: Hey Sophie...Who's Da Skip you're Bonkin??????
Message:
A sookie sookie la la is the sort of person who sulks and does nothing except pay out on[or as you would say 'put down] those he/she does'nt agree with. Whines and carps ,not a glimmer of happiness.Sort of like Jim really ,or Nigel often. Humour can only be derived from another's pain. Know the type? And when all else fails,they just look downcast and wont co-operate.
In Australia we have very high recent migration [the last 50 years].Much of it is from Italy, Greece, Lebanon ,Yugoslavia ,Turkey ,Spain and the South America's.Many people came here from Chile after Allende was ruthlessly deposed by the CIA and the Copper cartels.We are a very tolerant people .We accept refugees from all of the worlds trouble spots. The most recent wave of migration came from Asia .....Vietnam ,Cambodia , Laos and now Timor
We have people from Africa... Eritrea ,Chad ,Ethiopia ,Somalia ,SouthAfrica ,Botswanaland and Rawanda.And many other places.
During the 70's and early 80's an Australian production company sold a Television programme world-wide with great success. Terrible programme..really hammy...It was called 'Skippy-The Bush Kangaroo' and was a designated childrens programme. Generations of migrant children grew up watching this fascinating little piece of Australian nonsense about a Park Ranger [widowed] ,raising his pre adolescent kids in a wonderful National Park setting with their 'pet' Kangaroo . Substitute Kangaroo for Dolphin right down to the cute dolphin sounds! Flipper becomes Skippy and land based.Shameless plagurism. The funny thing was that you are not permitted to keep Kangaroo's as Pets in Australia ,and 99% of those Aussie kids watching the show lived in the same big industrial cities people live in the world over.
The migrant kids have a nickname for 4th , 5th and 6th Generation Australians [We are becoming an Endangered Species!] They call us 'Skippies'
P.S It is generally accepted that Tasmanians,having interbred for nearly two centuries all have two heads.
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Date: Sat, Nov 13, 1999 at 20:13:58 (EST)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Hey Sophie...Who's Da Skip you're Bonkin??????
Message:
A sookie sookie la la is the sort of person who sulks and does nothing except pay out on[or as you would say 'put down] those he/she does'nt agree with. Whines and carps ,not a glimmer of happiness.Sort of like Jim really ,or Nigel often. Humour can only be derived from another's pain. Know the type? And when all else fails,they just look downcast and wont co-operate.
In Australia we have very high recent migration [the last 50 years].Much of it is from Italy, Greece, Lebanon ,Yugoslavia ,Turkey ,Spain and the South America's.Many people came here from Chile after Allende was ruthlessly deposed by the CIA and the Copper cartels.We are a very tolerant people .We accept refugees from all of the worlds trouble spots. The most recent wave of migration came from Asia .....Vietnam ,Cambodia , Laos and now Timor
We have people from Africa... Eritrea ,Chad ,Ethiopia ,Somalia ,SouthAfrica ,Botswanaland and Rawanda.And many other places.
During the 70's and early 80's an Australian production company sold a Television programme world-wide with great success. Terrible programme..really hammy...It was called 'Skippy-The Bush Kangaroo' and was a designated childrens programme. Generations of migrant children grew up watching this fascinating little piece of Australian nonsense about a Park Ranger [widowed] ,raising his pre adolescent kids in a wonderful National Park setting with their 'pet' Kangaroo . Substitute Kangaroo for Dolphin right down to the cute dolphin sounds! Flipper becomes Skippy and land based.Shameless plagurism. The funny thing was that you are not permitted to keep Kangaroo's as Pets in Australia ,and 99% of those Aussie kids watching the show lived in the same big industrial cities people live in the world over.
The migrant kids have a nickname for 4th , 5th and 6th Generation Australians [We are becoming an Endangered Species!] They call us 'Skippies'
P.S It is generally accepted that Tasmanians,having interbred for nearly two centuries all have two heads.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 14:28:12 (EST)
From: Cerberus
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Guarding the Gates of Hades, or, its reigning Cats and Dogs!! (groan)
Message:
But which side are the flames on? I can smell sulphur and it seems to be coming from in front of me. Did Cerberus stop people entering hell, or was he there to stop the demons leaving?

The truth is, Dave and I are one. Or I wish that were so. Can you fix me up Katie?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 17:15:50 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Cerberus
Subject: Re: Guarding the Gates of Hades, or, its reigning Cats and Dogs!! (groan)
Message:
I am not sure why Cerberus was there, honestly. But in this case, I think the flames are on both sides - at least that's been MY observation :).

And re Dave - if you're female, you might have a chance. He's got a lot of secret admirers, though...

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 01:41:23 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Balckdog
Subject: BDog has got us on the run or he has the runs
Message:
Thank god for Blackdog to do a little saber rattling and defend his Guru Maharaj Ji even if he is probably Catweasel or Rob or somebody who won't tell us who he is.

So what, Balckdog. Who cares if we don't let your type counter the propaganda with your propaganda. We don't care because we don't have to. We (ok, some of us) hate Maharaji and want him to take a fall. And we might assume that we might being having an effect on Maharaji. Apparently he was pretty upset in Manchester. And the number of appearances in the West, especially in the U.S., is way off from what it used to be just a year or two ago. What's the deal? Is it just too ridiculous to drop down a notch or two in the size of the hall that is rented because of decreasing numbers? Have to do Hans Jayanti in India and overstate the numbers even still?

I'd say your boy guru is in trouble. Hope they can make payments on all the things that he doesn't own.

You keep coming back, Blackdog. Let you sleep under the porch, find a nice bone for you once in awhile.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:17:19 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: BDog has got us on the run or he has the runs
Message:
Blacksmog is obviously Rob. Anyway, will anyone who is interested please respond to my post titled ' Do you want this forum and shall I password protect it?' on the Only ex-premies forum.

This has been set up for you and I'll do whatever is desired.

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:55:32 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Being John Malkovich - See it now!
Message:
I would have put the (ot) marker on the subject, but I ran out of room.

Great movie. Absolutely rich with wonderful detail and dialogue along with a real twisted stony story (although I, the expert that I am, could often see where it would go.)

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:31:23 (EST)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: There's a guy in our community who is a lot like John Malkovich (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:30:34 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Doggie, that was your best post ever! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:19:52 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Bad routers on the way to paradise
Message:
Don't know if anyone else noticed it, but at around 10:00 pm EST the ability to get a page from Paradise (the outfit that is hosting this forum) was nil.

I did a traceroute (techie stuff) and there were about 6 routers that were really hurting with return times of 600 to 4350 milliseconds. Anything more than 200 ms. (a very generous value) is horrendous. Typically on a LAN that isn't too bad you get less than 10 ms. Between your home and your ISP you might have 35 ms.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 23:41:20 (EST)
From: Ms. K
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Roger, honey, Paradise sucks!
Message:
But you already knew that, right?? Anyway, don't complain TOO much when we switch servers - I, for one, would appreciate that...

Love,
Ms. K.

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 21:21:22 (EST)
From: URL
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Premies, let's blow this popstand..
Message:
Premies, why bother posting here. I know what you may think, 'Who am I to talk', but in taking a step back and observing what's going on here, it's a TOTAL waste of a very precious resource... life.

And it bears no fruit. You get called stupid whenever you post anything articulate that they can't respond to. You get called ignorant whenever you sincerely express your own irrefutable experience. Hey, this gang is just hangin' and bangin' down at the corner of the cyber-street waitin' for some premie to wander into their territory. They don't deserve your attention, and as a matter of fact you giving them your time just makes them feel important... and that they ain't. They're not even worth noticing in the grand scheme.

In my opinion we are not doing Maharaji a service posting here. I know I've been suckered into this cesspool of debate like you all, but something struck me after seeing Maharaji on the weekend. That I can do him more good just spending my time feeling good. I can just leave these guys to corrode with the passge of time... as will anything that's covered in so much shit. I mean, you really don't want any of that shit to get on stick to you... do you?

Don't mean to sound all pious or anything here... just something to consider.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 21:47:10 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: URL
Subject: May ye ne'er fuck off again...
Message:
Only to come back in a new incarnation. I'll give it a month ... two at the most. Then we'll be hearing from ... ?

Whoever. We know the style: that sensitive post to Gail where you told her to change her therapist. Or the hypocrital cant in posts to Abi and Susan. Or the one to Jim where you said: 'So your friend died? - now move on...' Or the one where you called J-M a 'deceitful fucking wizard' - several times. Or that one to Mary that ran: '... you sad, spiteful, niggardly, suspicious, paranoid, lying, cowardly, far-fetched, slanderous, dishonest, unkind, Linda Tripp-like, wretched, black-hearted piece of crap! Just what do you KNOWabout any of the bullshit you just puked out? Go crawl back under your rock...' Or the one to my good friend Marianne where you used the same carefully considered epithet. No wonder some exes find it hard to frame a response to the lotus dribblings of a realised soul.

Nil, we have seen some big-mouthed gatecrashers hereabouts. We have even seen some pretty stupid big-mouthed gatecrashers. Not to mention at least five irrefutably stupid big-mouthed gatecrashers. And - I'll say this - they provide some laughs along the way. But none have been as stupidly, inarticulately, irrationally, gatecrashingly, obnoxious as you. You have attained at least one record in your life. Yeah, so go celebrate. But if the hamster's teachings mean anything and you wish for no more harm than is done already, just fuck off and bliss out. Which, I have just realised, is the self-prescription of your farewell post. (Apologies if I am slow on the uptake.) So just do it...

Or ring me - UK: 0151 734 0420, (no leading zero outside UK) if your doubts were bigger than you realised. (0151 794 2173 daytime). Maybe spending so much time here is one way of saying that here is where you would rather be. Think about it.

NCL. (Real person with painful cult memories. Who are you?)

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 13:59:23 (EST)
From: JW
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: I Will Miss You
Message:
In my opinion we are not doing Maharaji a service posting here.

Well, DUH! I've been telling you this, NIL/URL for quite some time. You are just a little slow, that's all. I do, however, think you are doing a service to others by being here, unwitting as it may be.

I doubt there will be much weeping to see you go, URL, but I for one will miss you -- sort of.

But I am afraid that premies just can't stay away from here. Maybe it's like watching a car accident. Brian used to have a counter on this site and it was getting 6,000 messages read a day. Since there aren't that many people besides premies who give a shit about Maharaji and his cult, I think there are lots and lots of premies who read what gets posted here. If Maharaji believed in free speech and would allow open, uncensored, discussion on HIS websites, then I doubt premies would be interested in this one.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 09:19:57 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: URL's over with his duty
Message:
Who's going to be the next EV's PR on duty here?

We should make a list of them since the beginning !

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 19:25:03 (EST)
From: Informed Source
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
After he gets his sex change, URL will be returning as URLette.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 20:25:05 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: Informed Source
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
The sex change should take about three minutes--wasn't much there to begin with.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 20:47:02 (EST)
From: Informed Source
Email: None
To: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
You're right. Forgot about that. Thanks.
I also believe the fact that he has flabby titties just like Maharaji, means that breast enlargement will be a breeze.
I actually have a good feeling about this. I think URL's going to make a dynamite URLette!
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 21:07:59 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: Informed Source
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
URLette will be up and running tomorrow, perhaps the day after if the doctor's got a golf game arranged. URLette: Queen For The Day!
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 21:21:24 (EST)
From: Informed Source
Email: None
To: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
And we'll be waiting...with baited breath!:::))
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 22:54:59 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: Informed Source
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
Get the All-Electric Kitchen ready (avec hankie for those copious tears). And don't forget the Tiara!
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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 09:17:21 (EST)
From: Informed Source
Email: None
To: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
Will you stop it already?! I'm beginning to cream in my jeans!!:::))
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Date: Thurs, Nov 11, 1999 at 10:52:29 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: Informed Source
Subject: Re: URL's over with his duty
Message:
Perhaps URLette would like some cream in her coffee apres operation?
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:50:05 (EST)
From: RULooney?
Email: MIAOOOOOOOOOOW
To: URL
Subject: let's blow this popstar and be young and free!!!!.
Message:
Thanks URL ,that was really inspiring. What I particularily like is your sense of mischief , you ole funster you. I've got some Crocodiles I want to convince they should be Vegetarian. Want to help ? Shouldn't be to hard....They've got a cerebral hemisphere the size of a Golf Ball .Shit , shouldn't take more than a few light years. You might have more chance of pulling that off than trying tosweeten the mustard in this place.
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 04:48:01 (EST)
From: Enough
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: ' The fish in the water....
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 01:25:53 (EST)
From: Mickey Moss
Email: ickymickey@home.com
To: URL
Subject: Are the bars still open?
Message:
URL:

Yep, you should leave. Definitely. You need to get on with your grand scheme. But, my uncoerced opinion is that most people who have something they believe in are willing to defend it... even if they eventually are proven wrong. There's a certain nobility in that, and self respect. One might conclude that you aren't very sincere. Who cares about what trip you happen to have latched onto recently: Maharaji, Space Visitors, Mind Reading, whatever. It's about you, not your brew.

-MM

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 23:22:23 (EST)
From: Mendl Mosskovitch
Email: None
To: Mickey Moss
Subject: Even if the bars ARE open Mickey...isn't it time for you to go home now???
Message:
One might conclude that you aren't very sincere....

Duh...no kidding Sherlock. What's your next clue?

BTW, there are a few things one might want to conclude about URL. He's in a cult. That's one thing. He's been one of their leading bullshit revisionist spokesmen on this forum. That's another. Of course I could go on, but who needs to? Really.

When you come to think of it, leaving us might be the noblest thing URL has ever done in his life...that is, provided he doesn't come back.

You know, if URL is thinking of a pseudonym for his next comeback...I think he should consider 'PUTZ GALORE'.
I think that would be very appropriate.

Now good night Mickey...and drive carefully.
Better still,in your condition... take a taxi.

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:31:28 (EST)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: The party's over at Daves place
Message:
Replying to Original Article:

(him)
Anyone with a good angle on complaints about Elan Vital might like to investigate the following:

From title page, www.charity- commission.gov.uk, click on 'Publications' (top centre), then find leaflet CC47 - 'INVESTIGATING CHARITIES'

Amongst other info. the following is given

What action can we take to put matters right?

21. We can take action in many ways, if an investigation finds misconduct or mismanagement. For example, we can:

suspend and, if necessary, remove trustees and employees;
appoint new or additional trustees;
freeze bank accounts;
prohibit all further fund-raising;
stop further actions by the trustees in dealing with the charity's property (which includes land, buildings, investments and cash);
refer the matter to the appropriate authorities for them to consider legal proceedings for the recovery of charity property or to compensate the charity for any
loss; or
refer the matter to the police.

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 23:14:43 (EST)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Sir Insomniac
Message:
Does that guy never sleep or what!!

Its about 4am in jolly old england and Dave just booted me out of his little love-nest!

I bet he's been sitting up every night watching and waiting for us nasty trolls to DARE to step foot into his fairy grotto. I wonder if his IP exception block is bigger than my list of proxies? Nah, I can't be bothered. The stupid thing is, I probably just doubled the activity to that place in the last hour, and what thanks do I get?

Well I guess Retirement Homes are meant to be quiet, deathly places, so I really ought to let him have his little hobbit-hole to himself. Have fun your lordship. If you get bored waiting for people to post, why not invite Chris Dickey in - his place is pretty barren too!

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:27:08 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Re: Sir Insomniac
Message:
What makes you so sure I'm in England.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 00:10:34 (EST)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Sir Insomniac
Message:
Well your IP for one thing, oh, don't tell me, you've been hoodwinking us all along with proxies?

It doesn't matter, does it? I could be in Hong Kong or Mercer Island, what difference does it make. I think you're in England, you think I'm called Rob, it's all virtual.

What I do know is, I think I'm in love with you......

kiss kiss:)

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:28:07 (EST)
From: A Premie Jr.
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: Premies, let's blow this popstand..
Message:
Yes, I couldn't agree with you more. These ex-premies have had their once in a lifetime opportunity with the Living Master of our time. URL, you are like me in that we love Maharaji as our most perfect savior, our Lord and Master.

Maharaji was right in telling us to stay away from the Internet. It is a bad thing and is full of mind and seeds of doubt.

After visiting this cesspool of hate I usually watch a video, read some Kabir, sing Arti and meditate for two hours to return to that experience, that love.

Nothing that these ex-premies have said here at this hate site is true. None of it. Not even those horrible lies about Jagdeo. Jagdeo gave me Knowledge and I know in my heart of hearts that he is a nice man, not a bad man.

Maharaji, if you're reading this I'm going to double my donation this month and you can expect a check from me for $12.

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 14:12:41 (EST)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: A Premie Jr.
Subject: Re: Premies, let's blow this popstand..
Message:
Yes, I have found that reading this forum has occasionally caused me to forget that gift, that love, that truth, that experience, and that place because these ex-premies are lacking in that understanding and are not following that thirst and that heart. It is just so unbeautiful. I mean, er, it's so filled with mind and rotten vegetables.

URL, I do feel in my heart that you should go inside that then do propogation through participation. After writing out a check to Maharaji and buying Visions trinkets via Visa and Mastercard, I intend to hit the streets and invite all the people I meet to a video event. Like Maharaji said to do, if they ask what it is about, I will tell them 'it's about an hour.' I'm just sure many thirsty people will crowd the video event. I will inform the community contact to set up more chairs. It's all beginning, URL. Finally, it is really happening, by his grace.

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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:29:33 (EST)
From: A Premie Jr.
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: Pauline, I'm really blissed out
Message:
Pauline, I think that we live in the same community and I was thinking or actually I was feeling really inspired by what you said about hitting the streets and doing prachar. I'm thinking, no, feeling that if we hit the streets together and if we are really connected to that experience inside and really feel that love and feel that love towards each other that people on the streets will respond to that love.

So, Pauline, how about it? It's just so beautiful, you know?

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 06:56:36 (EST)
From: Mother Theresa
Email: The afterlife
To: A Premie Jr.
Subject: Re: Premies, blow my popstand..I missed out
Message:
YOU GOOSE!!!
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:27:14 (EST)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: Premies, let's blow this popstand..
Message:
Jeez Url, I didn't think asking a long time soft touch like you for a little money would push you over the edge. Or did M pull the plug on the funding for your 'service'? well now I don't have to go to that private site - thanks
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:03:10 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Good, Url, I'll hold you to it
Message:
You are such a fool! Unbelieveable. Really, you actually think you've posted anything articulate that no-one's been able to respond to? You're in a dream world, Url. And the biggest proof of that is that you had to change your pseudonym for no other reason but that you'd exhausted your basic allotment of credibility with the first one. Go hide your head in the sand, little ostrich. Follow the leader.
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 16:47:42 (EST)
From: URL
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: One parting shot at my favorite target...
Message:
Say you arrogant bag of slime, are you so needy of self-assurance you have to try and convince everyone you won? I whooped your ass every time I took you on. If you could honestly see past your own reflection that would be clear to you... of course your web minions will never agree with me. I think the impartial observers in the gallery can come to their own conclusions... without insecure expressions of your childish bravado.
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 22:05:38 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: For ME?? Why, I'm so honoured...
Message:
Fact is, Url, you're the one of so little integrity that even regular anonymity wasn't enough. You had to try to fool everyone, didn't you? And what's to say you won't be back tomorrow with yet another pathetic fake name? Well, whatever. Cheap entertainment, I guess.
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 04:34:26 (EST)
From: impartial observer
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah, Jim, URL whooped your ass everytime! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:00:07 (EST)
From: The Gay Reciever
Email: None
To: impartial observer
Subject: Re: Yeah, Jim, URL stuck it up your ass everytime! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 20:45:55 (EST)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Contributions
Message:
You consume about 10% of the bandwidth around here how about putting up some of the funds to help support this place - see Brians post asking for contributions
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 18:15:52 (EST)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The Official Word
Message:
Forum V is not officially open for business. The software is at present being tested and hopefully will be fully operational in about a week.

Please continue to use Forum IV until there is a further word :{-

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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:26:15 (EST)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Re: The Official Word
Message:
How is it that who knows put up the link to the new forum and directed people to post there?
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Date: Tues, Nov 09, 1999 at 12:52:27 (EST)
From: Forum Elves
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: Re: The Official Word
Message:
Calm down. 'Who Knows' didn't have any privileged information. The link was available on the ex-premie.org site - it was set up in advance on the 'pre-forum' page. The forum administrators just need time to work with the new software, and, like most of the rest of us, they have jobs, families, and lots of other things to do in 'the real world'. So if everyone could be patient, that would be great.
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 22:50:20 (EST)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Re: The Official Word
Message:
The software is at present being tested

Need any help ;)

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:06:28 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Forum 5 -Don't Go There!
Message:
Until we hear from Forum Administration, I think this is a cyberjoke. Don't be taken in.

Marianne

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 17:01:05 (EST)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Forum 5 -Don't Go There!
Message:
This advice is not only paranoid but controlling. Not to mention 'assuming', as in assuming people need your guidance.
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:25:05 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Don't be so paranoid!
Message:
At least if anything goes wrong on Forum V, somebody might be able to find out what's going on, which is not the case with Paradise!

I guess Brian's been working on it for a while ....

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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 16:18:07 (EST)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Thanks Marianne....wise advice!! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 14:28:29 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: All
Subject: FORUM 5
Message:
why is everybody hanging around here? i am very lonely at Forum 5. drop this miserable place and come on down!!!
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 14:54:42 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: Re: FORUM 5(the link)
Message:
This way to forum V
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:08:09 (EST)
From: gerry the wary
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: Hey, this place looks familiar...
Message:
>Is this some sorta trick?>
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:07:57 (EST)
From: gerry the weary
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: Hey, this place looks familiar...
Message:
Now what do we do?
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:23:00 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: gerry the weary
Subject: Meditate Gerry and the answer will come to you (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 15:21:36 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: gerry the weary
Subject: send a nice Chateau Lafitte the the administrator
Message:
hip!
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