Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 12
From: Sat, Nov 20, 1999 To: Fri, Dec 10, 1999 Page: 3 Of: 5


Brian -:- Seeking Webmaster -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:52:07 (EST)
__ Charlie -:- Re: Seeking Webmaster -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:53:40 (EST)
__ Joey -:- THANK YOU Katie and Brian!!! -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:31:51 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Joey and Charlie -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:22:01 (EST)
__ __ __ Happy -:- Thanks to you -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 16:13:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Happy -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 16:49:08 (EST)
__ Selene -:- Re: Seeking Webmaster -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:24:18 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- the site, not the forum -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:53:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Selene -:- Re: the site, not the forum -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:06:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thank you, Selene -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:42:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Seleniepie -:- you are welcome -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:59:45 (EST)
__ who knows -:- and to manage Forum 5 -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:20:01 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- not the forum, the site! -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:49:24 (EST)
__ __ __ who knows -:- Katie, did you read ok? i was mentionning forum 5, not 4...(nt) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:22:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Brian -:- Re: Katie, did you read ok? i was mentionning forum 5, not 4...(nt) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:01:23 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ selene -:- Re: Katie, did you read ok? i was mentionning forum 5, not 4...(nt) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:24:48 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ who knows -:- wow...you really know how to promote a job oppening -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:11:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Please read this, who knows -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:52:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Please read this, who knows -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:38:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Ben, honey... -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:23:22 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Hey, Brian's always like that -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:31:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Jim, you're a living doll, as always -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:58:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Don't be so protective, Katie (but I guess you have to live with him, right?) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:08:23 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Not embarassed -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 12:07:00 (EST)

Jim -:- A.P.B. -- bald Indian with hammer -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:10:31 (EST)

Jim -:- The truth about Hamzen -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:37:13 (EST)
__ CD -:- Re: The truth about Hamzen -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:00:32 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- What's Orval? -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:03:45 (EST)
__ __ __ CD -:- Re: What's Orval? -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:39:22 (EST)

ANY premie -:- QUESTION FOR JEAN-MICHEL -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:07:04 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Simple answer -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 03:53:39 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Question For Any Premie -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 12:09:26 (EST)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- This is now well documented! -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:13:59 (EST)
__ Jim -:- I can answer that -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:23:32 (EST)
__ __ Mel Bourne -:- Re: I can answer that - last gasp -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 14:34:17 (EST)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Like a parrot straight from Maharaji -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:05:46 (EST)
__ __ __ Susan -:- I agree Mel -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:51:57 (EST)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Re: I can answer that - last gasp -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:14:22 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Re: I can answer that - last gasp -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:49:50 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Wrong as usual, Mel (who amazes me with his stupidity every step of the way!) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 17:58:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ I am Jim's alveoli -:- Hey Jim, is this the thanks I get? (nt) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:02:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Re: I can answer that - last gasp -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:11:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- JHB, total coincidence that we both used the word PARROT -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:11:04 (EST)
__ __ Susan -:- Great post Jim H.!!!!! (nt) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:57:56 (EST)
__ __ Robyn -:- Re: I can answer that -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:02:27 (EST)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- You were not paying attention! -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:37:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You were not paying attention! -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:20:04 (EST)
__ __ __ ANY one got a light -:- Re: I can answer that -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:25:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: I can answer that -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:22:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ ANY one got a light -:- A rap on the knuckles pour moi -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 20:25:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:18:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ ANY one gotta light? -:- Yabba yabba -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 05:29:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Yabba yabba -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:02:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Grandmaster Monmotty -:- Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:30:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 18:17:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Grandmaster Monmotty -:- Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 20:59:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:21:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Light -:- You read my mind -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 18:25:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:26:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Light -:- The Full Effect -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 22:37:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: The Full Effect -:- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:41:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Grandmaster Monmotty -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:02:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Light -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 22:26:36 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:56:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Light -:- Lincoln Green Tights -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 14:54:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Lincoln Green Tights -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 15:21:36 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Grandmaster Sheriff Monmotty -:- Re: Lincoln Green Tights -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 16:42:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Lincoln Green Tights -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 21:42:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Grandmaster Sheriff Monmotty -:- Re: Lincoln Green Tights -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 22:52:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- our life's work! -:- Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 08:19:43 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ GSM -:- Re: our life's work! -:- Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 10:25:54 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: our life's work! -:- Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 19:13:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:32:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Grandmaster Monmotty -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:45:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:50:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 01:39:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: You read my mind -:- Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 05:56:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ANY one got a light -:- Da Robyn da Hood Rap -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 05:09:57 (EST)
__ __ ANY ppppremie -:- Re: I can answer that -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 03:33:39 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- I'm not going to bother proving an entire cult culture -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:47:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ ANY premie -:- Yeah, you never had a chance. -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:24:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Re: Yeah, you never had a chance. -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:39:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- Jim, you poor deluded person... -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 11:46:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ bb -:- Re: Jim, you poor deluded person... -:- Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 00:04:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Read Susan's Post....LOL(nt) -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:54:49 (EST)
__ __ Annie -:- Try a subject that you at least mildly comprehend -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 01:59:03 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Okay, you explain it then -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:51:51 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- That's so funny coming from you of all people -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 02:17:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Annie -:- Sorry Jim, Wrong Annie -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 02:50:46 (EST)
__ __ Bublegum -:- I can also answer that -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:44:47 (EST)
__ __ __ JW -:- Have you ever felt like you are about to throw up? -:- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:56:38 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- If that's enough for you, great -- personally, I'm not a pentacostal -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:57:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Bublegum -:- You see, it might just be enough for me! -:- Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:27:45 (EST)

bb -:- rawat tv -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:01:56 (EST)
__ bb -:- Re: rawat tv -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:45:25 (EST)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Don't worry !! -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 04:12:12 (EST)

Roger eDrek -:- WARNING! Toxic Posts Below -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 01:24:39 (EST)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Oops, he got another one in there -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 02:14:05 (EST)
__ __ Agent Dave -:- What it all means -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 04:02:16 (EST)
__ __ __ bb -:- webspider -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 04:14:35 (EST)

In Your Face -:- Hey Randy.... -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 23:19:47 (EST)
__ IYF -:- Re: Hey Randy....this is exciting!! -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 00:00:30 (EST)

who knows -:- updated statistics-dying cult -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:02:52 (EST)
__ JHB -:- These are web page hits -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:29:00 (EST)
__ __ who knows -:- still...a lot of hits for a DYING cult (nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 16:45:13 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- Re: These are web page hits -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 12:32:04 (EST)
__ AJW -:- UK Statistics -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:14:31 (EST)
__ __ Another View -:- Re: UK Statistics -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 14:59:22 (EST)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Re: UK Statistics -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 15:06:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- No UK premies on forum so far. -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 17:10:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- There was one -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 19:45:31 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Re: UK Statistics -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:30:36 (EST)
__ Sir Dave -:- What these figures mean -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:10:04 (EST)
__ gerry -:- Re: updated statistics-dying cult -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:06:52 (EST)
__ __ Selene off topic -:- Hi Gerry -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 18:34:28 (EST)
__ __ __ bb -:- Re: Hi Gerry -:- Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 02:13:49 (EST)


Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:52:07 (EST)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: Seeking Webmaster
Message:
Katie and I have been webmastering ex-premie.org since January of 98. We want to turn the job over to someone else now.

When we started, Katie knew little and I knew nothing about creating and maintining web pages. So don't rule yourself out based on not having done this before.

The number one qualification to be able to do this job is a willingness to learn how to do it. It's been a great learing experience for me, both about myself and about human nature in general.

And it's a great way to meet chicks :)

Email me if you're interested, and I'll answer any questions that you have.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:53:40 (EST)
From: Charlie
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Seeking Webmaster
Message:
Dear Brian and Katie,

thank you for your all your efforts in making EPO what it is today. I can totally understand why you must want to get away from it now.

I must say that you are too modest when you describe your abilities in the area of webmastering. For what it's worth I think you are both exceedingly clever people and the task of learning the perl programming language to create Forum III is nothing short of amazing in my book.

Cheers M'Dears

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:31:51 (EST)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: THANK YOU Katie and Brian!!!
Message:
It's been a great learning experience for me, both about myself and about human nature in general.

Brian and Katie,

As I put up this post, I note that no one has taken the time to say thank you, for all the time and energy you've put into the site, and to the forum as well when you were also administering that. I'm just wondering if that says something about human nature, especially as it manifests itself on this forum. I hope not.

IMHHO, your contribution has been nothing short of amazing in terms of building a site that's been so effective in helping to free so many from the grips of m and the cult.

And the effect not only ends there. Recently, at an AFF recovery workshop I attended in New York I had the opportunity to meet with a young man in his 20's, a former follower of Sri Chimnoy. He's now seriously considering using this site as a model, in creating one for former members of his cult.

I know you guys will be the first to say that the ex-premie site is the result of the contributions of many, and that certainly is true. But you guys have played a huge role, and I for one just want to say thank you.

What we can't see on this site is all the time you guys have put in supporting those of us just coming out of the cult and the human care, understanding and compassion you displayed in helping people on a very personal and one to one basis, with the challenge of exiting and breaking free from the cult.

You're so loved and appreciated by so many here (even if we haven't always showed it)...and again, I just wanted to say thank you.

Love to you both,

Joey

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:22:01 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Thanks, Joey and Charlie
Message:
Your messages are much appreciated, by both of us. (Although I do have to say, Charlie, that Brian is the one who is the brilliant programmer, not me!)

We've been webmastering the site for two years, and we ran the forum for a year and a half, and while it's been frustrating at times, it's generally been a very positive experience for both of us. But we both have new jobs in the Real World now, and we need to put more time into doing things there. Also, we feel that a new webmaster be refreshing to the site (not to mention allowing someone else to benefit from the job as we have.)

Thanks again to both of you -
Love,
Katie

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 16:13:01 (EST)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Katie & Brian
Subject: Thanks to you
Message:
Thanks to both of you, Brian and Katie, for your work. Excellent and life-saving.
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 16:49:08 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Thanks, Happy
Message:
Thanks, Happy -
I hope you and your family are doing well.
Take care -
Katie
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:24:18 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Seeking Webmaster
Message:
And it's a great way to meet chicks :)

Well guess that rules me out. Just kidding Brian, I couldn't resist. And, I know my limits when it comes to emotionally being able to handle this place. The techie stuff is the easy part IMO.
I hope you and Katie find someone. I know how hard it must be. And I hope I didn't offend either of you in my rant below about the tone of this place changing. That's not something you can control I know.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:53:21 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: the site, not the forum
Message:
Hi Selene - It's a great way to meet men too (snicker). Seriously, we don't adminster the forum, and wouldn't expect the new webmaster/mistress to do it either.

BTW & IMHO, tone of the forum depends on the participants.

Love,
Katie

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:06:20 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: the site, not the forum
Message:
Oh I agree completely about the tone depending on the participants.
And meeting men maybe isn't such a good idea for me either
Hey if there is something I can do email me.
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:42:53 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Thank you, Selene
Message:
Love you -
Katie
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:59:45 (EST)
From: Seleniepie
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: you are welcome
Message:
You 2 have put up with enough shit, including from me and I don't deny it.
And my Ophelia reality check in 'that other place' is in no way directed at you and Brian.
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:20:01 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: and to manage Forum 5
Message:
the candidates will have to be willing to manage the new forum as well, right?
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:49:24 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: not the forum, the site!
Message:
Uh, who knows... why do you care? But the answer is NO - the people who are managing Forum IV are going to keep doing it. The site and the forum are too much for one person to do in their spare time, at least in my experience :).
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:22:46 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Katie, did you read ok? i was mentionning forum 5, not 4...(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:01:23 (EST)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: who knows
Subject: Re: Katie, did you read ok? i was mentionning forum 5, not 4...(nt)
Message:
I said noting about the forum, and I don't need or want you to clarify my posts on this or any other forum.

I don't manage this forum. I managed the last one. I won't manage the next. I am not offering to turn over any job that I'm not presently doing.

Whether or not whoever volunteers for the job of webmastering the site decides to complicate the hell out of their life by volunteering to relieve the Forum Administrators is nothing that concerns me at all. Or you.

Thanks for butting in. Now butt out.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:24:48 (EST)
From: selene
Email: None
To: Brian and Katie
Subject: Re: Katie, did you read ok? i was mentionning forum 5, not 4...(nt)
Message:
Hi guys. I don't know if there's some history I'm not aware of, etc. But it seems some may not understand the technical diffs between running the nuts and bolts of a web site vs. managing or administrating a forum.
Anyway, I did mean my good wishes and offer to help, if I can. Not sure if I can.
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:11:38 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: wow...you really know how to promote a job oppening
Message:
you really do need a break, you seem quite burned out...
btw, my post was not adressed to you, but to Katie (she mentionned Forum 4, i was talking about the Forum 5 THAT YOU HAVE ADDED TO THE EX-PREMIE WEB SITE))
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:52:14 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: who knows
Subject: Please read this, who knows
Message:
dear who knows -
I didn't put enough words in my post to make it clear, but I hope this clarifies things:

1. Forum IV and Forum V use different forum software.
2. The people who are adminstering Forum IV now are deciding whether they want to use Forum V. Unfortunately this process has been slowed by some Real World happenings in the adminstrator's lives - they ARE real people, you know (I am too, and so is Brian).
3. The webmaster job for ex-premie org involves ONLY administering the web site itself, unless the person really wants to take on the forum as well (wherever it is). That's up to that person AND the current forum admins. to work out among themselves.

I am really trying to be polite here, but I cannot figure out why you are making such a big deal out of this. Everyone knows that there is a Forum V on www.ex-premie.org - so what? It's just a different forum format that's available for use. If the current forum admins decide to stay with the Forum IV format, then it will be deleted.

Who knows, ex-premie.org AND the forum are just low-rent operations that are run out of people's living rooms. So like I said, no big deal. And if you want to discuss this further, why don't you e-mail me?

Sincerely,
Katie

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:38:14 (EST)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Please read this, who knows
Message:
Well meeting all the chicks had me excited and then you told me it happens out of the living room, does that mean if I volunteer I would have to move my computer into the living room? I don't think I wan't a puter in my living room. :=)
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:23:22 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Ben, honey...
Message:
Hi Ben -
Don't think it really matters where you keep your computer - just make sure to practice safe...uh...computing.

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:31:44 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: Hey, Brian's always like that
Message:
Touchy, touchy! Too bad he's passing the torch.
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:58:07 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, you're a living doll, as always
Message:
Are YOU volunteering to be webmaster now? (snicker)

Love,
Katie

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:08:23 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Don't be so protective, Katie (but I guess you have to live with him, right?)
Message:
Katie,

Face it, Brian went off on WK's in his inimitable 'my site, not yours' style. Must have been kind of embarrassing, huh?

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 12:07:00 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Not embarassed
Message:
No, Jim, cause what Brian was trying to say was 'it's an EX-PREMIE site, not a PREMIE site'. But I see you already figured this out :).
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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:10:31 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A.P.B. -- bald Indian with hammer
Message:
Pie in face PETA's award for Miss Rodeo

December 5, 1999
Web posted at: 6:50 PM EST (2350 GMT)

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Minutes after being crowned Miss Rodeo America 2000, Brandy DeJongh had a chocolate tofu pie smashed in her face.

Dawn Carr, a member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, was briefly detained after the pie-throwing Saturday at the Flamingo Hotel. Also detained was Miss Rodeo America's father, Dana DeJongh, a Los Angeles police officer.

'He's a proud papa and he did what he had to do to protect me,' the 21-year-old DeJongh of Leona Valley, Calif., said. 'It's such a special day and I'm not going to let something like this bother me. I just washed it off.'

Neither Carr nor the elder DeJongh were in custody Sunday at the Clark County jail. It was unknown whether they were cited for any violation.

Arlene Kensinger, Miss Rodeo America coordinator, said it was the first time PETA has protested its pageant. The group annually protests the National Finals Rodeo, claiming the sport exploits animals.

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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:37:13 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The truth about Hamzen
Message:
Trappist monks get into techno dance habit

December 5, 1999
Web posted at: 12:11 PM EST (1711 GMT)

LONDON (Reuters) -- Trappist monks are releasing a raved-up dance version of the Hallelujah chorus from Handel's Messiah in time for Christmas -- and it's either a brilliant hoax or an attempt at serious chart-topping.

The three-member French group calls itself Anno Domini. There are two former trappist monks, Brothers Josef, 25, and Stefan, 28, along with vocalist and former nun Sister Dominique.

'We found that the monastic life was too restricting for what we believed,' Dominique, who acts as the group's spokeswoman, told Reuters in an interview.

Stefan and Dominique were childhood friends who lost touch over the years. But when she had a 'crisis of faith' last year, her research on the Internet brought her to a religious Web site where the two met up again and she was introduced to Josef.

'We then all left our orders of our own accord,' she said.

But Stefan and Josef, who were in the same order but at different monasteries, still observe the Trappist vow of silence and speak through Dominique to the outside world.

'While they found the life of the monastery too prescriptive in what they had to do day by day, the Trappist idea of not talking in order to concentrate on what you do is what they love and helps them keep their focus,' the cropped-haired 26-year-old from the south of France said.

Leap of faith

Dominique hasn't much real experience in music but Stefan and Josef both come from musical backgrounds -- one was a disc jockey, while the other had a more classical training and is an accomplished pianist.

'When they came up with the idea I was quite surprised but inspired at the same time,' said the former nun.

'I was looking for a way of communicating -- we all had a need to have some kind of belief and express it in a form not to frighten people away. It's about enjoying it all, a new way of expressing an old belief.'

With the motto 'running to the future' Dominique is keen to point out that the group's fusion of dance culture and Catholicism is not blasphemous.

'Just because we enjoy the music, it doesn't mean we subscribe to the culture that goes with it,' she said.

'What the brothers realized was that religion lacked fun. Where do you find it? In music. You can't help but smile when you hear Handel's Messiah -- it's so joyful.'

The group's record label, Arc, will release the catchy single on December 13 in Britain but it has already been played on national radio stations to much applause.

'The French would have thought we were too bizarre. But in England, we thought we had a better chance of people judging the music for what it is,' Dominique said.

She said the music was aimed at people of any faith or of no faith.

'I'd like to do an album but we're going to wait and see how this one goes,' she said. 'We didn't dream we would have the interest we have had so far, so it's hard to know what will come next.'

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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:00:32 (EST)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: The truth about Hamzen
Message:
You really ought to try a couple glasses of Orval to go along with the music.
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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:03:45 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: What's Orval?
Message:
Wh
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:39:22 (EST)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What's Orval?
Message:
Trappist monks do it up
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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:07:04 (EST)
From: ANY premie
Email: None
To: All
Subject: QUESTION FOR JEAN-MICHEL
Message:
Again, simple question.

What is 'that experiance' that you refer to so often. What do you mean by this phrase?

Cheers.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 03:53:39 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: ANY premie
Subject: Simple answer
Message:
'That experience' has widely been used by premies to name 'the experience of k' without using the word 'knowledge' I guess, to name 'the experience inside' or whatever periphrase they've been using to talk about what they feel, without using the word 'maharaji'.

I remember the old days when we used to talk about 'maharaji' in every sentence. M's this, m's that, anything you can imagine. Maybe you've received 'k' recently and you're not aware of that phraseology!

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 12:09:26 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: cynthia@madriver.com
To: All
Subject: Re: Question For Any Premie
Message:
Hello!

After reading this thread it occurred to me that the premies who posted had a particularly snotty tone, Am I wrong?

As for what 'that experience' is, I suggest you ask Miragi, the master of all manipulators. He's the one who, through his mahatmas and later on the initiators, implanted ideas like, 'if you can't mediate because your mind is bothering you, just imagine his lotus feet in your breath, because they are' or 'holy water expands in power the MORE you dilute it with distilled water.'

Or more directly, m himself has often said that without him and k our lives would shatter into a million pieces. Well, mine hasn't. Has yours? Is it getting more or less expensive to be a premie? Is it THAT experience you ask about?

Now, any premie who was around during the early 70's-80's knows that there is no documentation for such indoctrination. It's cult indoctrination.

BTW, shouldn't you be meditating, instead of writing on the ex-premie forum? Also, hasn't m asked you not to talk about him or his k? This is a curiousity for me. If you're going to post here, don't think you're going to have an intelligent conversation because no premie will answer questions. Maybe there is a brave somebody out there that can have a civilized conversation without attacking ex-premies. If your master were so true, why be so threatened by us?

Best wishes, Cynthia

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:13:59 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: This is now well documented!
Message:
Hey Cynthia, I'm surprised you haven't seen all this !

M's most famous claims and quotes

I's been printed, and preciously kept.

Recent Satsangs in India

Believe it or not, nothing has 'changed'!!
Even EV's stupidity as to print such things! And letting me buy it in India!

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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:23:32 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: ANY premie
Subject: I can answer that
Message:
the 'experience' is a funny amalgam of soft, fuzzy focus on one's breath mixed with a running inner dialogue with Maharaji whom the 'expereiencer' mistakenly thinks is inside listening like Harvey the Invisible Rabbit. The 'experiencer' has been trained to believe that the breath is conscious and is, in fact, Maharaji, a/k/a God. The 'experiencer' imagines that the breath is the real show and that our bodies and minds are mere slave material to that most perfect master. The 'expereincer' revels in the sense of relief he enjoys 'knowing' that the creator is really that close, that constant and that 'loving'. The 'experiencer' softly whispers to his imaginary friend taht he is ready to be taken deep into the rapture. Sometimes the 'experiencer' actually whips together a bit of a 'rapture' to float into. This, the 'experiencer' believes, is even greater proof of Maharaji's power and kindness.

Unfortunately, it's all an illusion. The breath is not conscious, Maharaji is not inside it and the pleasure of meditation, for all the poetic gilding of a pre-scientific culture that's tried to make it something it's not, is really quite pedestrian. In particular, it is not a 'gateway to another world' as the 'experiencer' has been tricked into thinking. Indeed, it's a very, very shallow pool.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 14:34:17 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: I can answer that - last gasp
Message:
Hi Jim

Irrespective of what you believe, or what you believe premies believe about the breath, I'm sure that you will realise the importance of it on your last one, gasping for life (assuming you're conscious).

...and try telling an asthmatic or a drowning person that the breath is 'pedestrian'.

Mel

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:05:46 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Like a parrot straight from Maharaji
Message:
The old most important, sacred, vital, and crucial last breath. How original! BFD!
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:51:57 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: I agree Mel
Message:
The way I see it all our bodily functions which keep us alive are damn important. For instance, the heart, it pumps blood. If your heart stops pumping, you die, it hurts, and that sucks. And your kidney and liver, damn if they stop working it really sucks too, you turn orange, you smell like piss, you are miserable in pain go crazy and die. Your pancreas, without insulin, well, once again you will die. Your brain, now there is an important organ, without it none of the others work. What about your blood? If you have no blood for your wonderful lungs to oxygenate and your heart to pump around what good are your lungs and heart. So I agree Mel, breathing is really important. I don't care what Jim says. Maybe he is a fish?
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:14:22 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Re: I can answer that - last gasp
Message:
What the fuck has this got to do with Maharaji's knowledge?? Why don't you concentrate your attention on your pulse? Or your heartbeat? Or attach one of those things that measure brain activity and concentrate on the screen? All these are very valuable and when they cease you're dead. Why focus on just one aspect of life?

It's this kind of sloppy thinking that Maharaji perpetrates that cause you cult members to be so robotic.

John.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:49:50 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: I can answer that - last gasp
Message:
Hi John

Why don't you concentrate your attention on your pulse? Or your heartbeat? Or attach one of those things that measure brain activity and concentrate on the screen? All these are very valuable and when they cease you're dead. Why focus on just one aspect of life?

John

The 'focus' of the thread and Jim's posts centred around the breath, I was responding to a post on that topic, not pulses or anything else.

Anyway, despite my 'sloppy thinking' (not to mention my cult 'roboticism') the point I made was quite valid, whether you like it or not!

Mel

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 17:58:24 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Wrong as usual, Mel (who amazes me with his stupidity every step of the way!)
Message:
Your 'point' was ridiculous!

The breath is, indeed, 'pedestrian' in the context of some silly, Hindu pre-scientific cult trying to anthropmorphize it. 'Hi, Mr. Breath! How're you doing today?'

'Oh, not so bad, little Po. A little winded [smiles and winks into camera 2] but that's just because I've been running with Ms. Blood.'

'That's right, Po. Mr. Breath has been getting all worked up over ... well, you're just a young one, aren't you, Po? Let me just say that Mr. Breath has been working really hard and I'm starting to get all hot, if you know .. well, you shouldn't, but if you ...'

'Oh, Ms. Blood, I know what you're talking about. You're talking about sex, right? That's what us teletubbies call it. That's what Mr. Penis calls it, anyway, and look, here he comes now!'

'Hi, Mr. Penis! What's up?'

Really, Mel, it's stupid beyond words to fall for this antique hindu crap. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. You already are. (Yes, Mel, I luxuriate in the fair assumption that that is indeed the reason you jokers can't put your own names to your garbage.)

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:02:59 (EST)
From: I am Jim's alveoli
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey Jim, is this the thanks I get? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:11:07 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Re: I can answer that - last gasp
Message:
Anyway, despite my 'sloppy thinking' (not to mention my cult 'roboticism') the point I made was quite valid, whether you like it or not!

Your point may be true, but it's irrelevant to Jin's point. But more importantly, what you said was parrot fashion repetition of what Maharaji says. Just like the language of all the posts on the enjoyinglife.org site.

That's why I used the term 'robotic'.

John.

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:11:04 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: JHB, total coincidence that we both used the word PARROT
Message:
I had not read your post yet. However, I used the word parrot up above. Interesting how it is so obvious that we know where this little train of thought comes from.

Premies take the back seat and get so many of their ideas from the Boss.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:57:56 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Great post Jim H.!!!!! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:02:27 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: I can answer that
Message:
Jim,
I thought this idea of M inside, controling your 'experience' was something that came about when people were told to visualize him swinging on a swing of all the god forsaken things to do! Are you saying that this was the idea from the get go? I guess being a person who doesn't pay attention to details in general I was very lucky to miss out on all these directives! That or I was eating those Alice B. Tokless granola cookies I was famous for back then! :)
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:37:37 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: You were not paying attention!
Message:
Robyn; as I wrote below where I mentioned I missed the Millennium festival, it was the Guru Maharaj Ji inside which we were told by Maharaji was the real him. He used to say when premies cried when he was leaving the country, 'I'm not going anywhere!'

I took this to the limit and stayed behind in the ashram whenever there were programs in Britain because I was surrendered to Maharaji inside etc etc. Eventually I had to be made to go and see Maharaji.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:20:04 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: You were not paying attention!
Message:
Dear Dave,
To flippin bad you went to see him, eh? Could have saved money and time but then you wouldn't have that precious cheese story. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 08:25:46 (EST)
From: ANY one got a light
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: I can answer that
Message:
Sorry to disillusion you, Ms Hood. Every heard of simile, metaphor. etc. Literary devices. Probably not. No matter. You pop off now and find one REAL audio, written or video clip of the arch-enemy, the Evil Mayhemji, advocating inner mental visualization and get it on this site. I fear you'll be gone for some time. But then, as you say who cares about details, huh? Annoying little thing aren't they? Truth, fantasy, facts, dreams, they're all just the same aren't they, after all.

I'm sure someone could find something, couldn't you girls and boys?

Next up..

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:22:53 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: ANY one got a light
Subject: Re: I can answer that
Message:
At first calling Ms. Hood I thought you were going to go off into a rap METAPHOR! :) Just because I live in countrybumpkinville doesn't means I don't know hows to read and rite!
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 20:25:57 (EST)
From: ANY one got a light
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: A rap on the knuckles pour moi
Message:
Sorry. it was a trifle rude. I promise to be good. Maybe an idea for a rap, though. Dah Robyn Hood Rap. 'A gangsta from the forest..............' Maybe not.

Definitely goin' to bed,

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:18:20 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: ANY one got a light
Subject: Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi
Message:
Dear Got a light?,
'Sorry. it was a trifle rude. I promise to be good. Maybe an idea for a rap, though. Dah Robyn
Hood Rap. 'A gangsta from the forest..............' Maybe not. '

Why not! Robs from the rich and gives to the poor, sounds perfect! Can you just picture bustin and movin in the forest! :)
Love,
Robyn

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 05:29:56 (EST)
From: ANY one gotta light?
Email: None
To: Robyn in da Forest
Subject: Yabba yabba
Message:
Yo,

What's with '..the bustin' and a movin'' Wot duz dis mean? I have a sneaking suspicion you weren't born in, say, Kensington. Wise me up.

I'm going to have to get myself a more recent dictionary. Standards are droppin' fast.

Gotta Light?

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:02:40 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: ANY one gotta light?
Subject: Re: Yabba yabba
Message:
Dear Gotta Light?,
Yes I do, btw. :)
I can't believe you never heard of the phrase, Bust and Move. It isn't how I dance and it is an older term, I guess, showing my advacning years. :)
I am from America Light, may I call you Light, and I live in the country a few hours south of Canada.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 21:30:17 (EST)
From: Grandmaster Monmotty
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi
Message:
Was a Fly Girl called Robyn da Hood
Was jiggy wit' it in da wood
Took da goods from da rich
Spread it to da poor
R da Hood in da wood hung good
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 18:17:27 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Monmotty
Subject: Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi
Message:
Dear Grandmaster Monmotty,
Cute, thanks. :) One question, what does it mean when you direct the phrase, hung good at a woman? :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 20:59:29 (EST)
From: Grandmaster Monmotty
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi
Message:
Dear Robyn:

Didn't mean it that way, but now that you mention it. That was my hearty laugh for the day. :-)) Meant hung as in hang out in the wood, but I kinda like the inadvertent meaning better. LOL. Glad you have a sense of humor.

Thanks
GM (uh, oh, not the other GM)

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:21:53 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Monmotty
Subject: Re: A rap on the knuckles pour moi
Message:
Dear Monmotty,
This is how removed I am from the world of GM, I saw that in your post and sat here thinking who, Mistress Grammer, no wrong initals, General Manager(posted on AG for a bit)...Oh, the GURU!!! I wish that for those of you breaking away! :)
Glad you had a good laugh, makes life good. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 18:25:40 (EST)
From: Light
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: You read my mind
Message:
Robyn.

Well spotted. I wasn't going to mention it, but.... The word 'wood' has a rather different meaning in the West Indies than it has in Sherwood Forest. Ahem!!

Light

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:26:56 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Light
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Light,
Nice to see you've gotten that moniker down to something managable! :) I'll have to go back and read Monmotty's original again to get the full effect of the wood reference. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 22:37:38 (EST)
From: Light
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: The Full Effect
Message:
Robyn,

To get da full effect of da 'wood' you'll have to look a little further than this thread. And as for 'the wood hung good', well, the mind postively boggles.

To the Batbar for some iced water. Splash, splash.

Light

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Date: Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:41:55 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Light
Subject: Re: The Full Effect
Message:
Dear Light,
Yes, beyond this thread. Yes. :)
Honestly I forgot to look back at it. I am to sleepy now for sure but you've made the meaning plain!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:02:28 (EST)
From: Grandmaster Monmotty
Email: None
To: Light
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Light:

As in 'woody'? :-)) Freudian (or is it Jungian?) slip...
Ahem indeed! Pretty lame rap...was tired, but couldn't resist giving it a shot.

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 22:26:36 (EST)
From: Light
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Monmotty
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Mottsville,

The 'Robyn da Hood Rap' was done years ago in an old film called 'Robin & The Seven Hoods.'
Time for a re-work.

To the Batcopter and on to the Batdisco

Light

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Date: Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:56:16 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Light
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Light,
Mottsville! I LOVE it! :)
Hey are we going to make a movie! :) Fun, fun. I am sure I get to play Robyn. ;) Should I rent the 'original' as part of my preparing for the role or just keep it fresh and new. :)
I guess this bat thing is from Batman and Robin? You are losing me on that one. :| I think I am going dancing this Saturday night. Yippeeeeee! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 14:54:40 (EST)
From: Light
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Lincoln Green Tights
Message:
Robyn,

Don't do anything. Just get some green tights.

Workin' title is 'Batman and Robyn da Hood'. Our the two heroes save Gotham Forest from the clutches of the Evil Witch. Mottoid will play the 'Grandmaster Sheriff' who's a DJ working in a dive in Nottingham but moonlights daytime clearing attics of small, furry, flying rodents.

Light

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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 15:21:36 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Light
Subject: Re: Lincoln Green Tights
Message:
Dear Light,
Just green tights! That is about my speed. I like it, easy! :) I wonder if you are thinking of something a little racey? Nothing but green tights? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Mixing up Robyn Hood and Batman, now that can't be what they did in that movie you mentioned! You must be a genius to have thought of combining those 2 story lines! I am the artist, mold me. :)
Who is the Evil Witch? Are you the director/producer?
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 16:42:57 (EST)
From: Grandmaster Sheriff Monmotty
Email: None
To: Robyn & Light
Subject: Re: Lincoln Green Tights
Message:
R&L:

Oooh, I've always wanted to be in pictures. I'm ready for my close up, Mr. DeBattville.... Together with cleaning up furry little rodents, I think I should also clean Da Bats In Da Belfry too (or is that where I work?). Keeps me off the street, where I can be El Dangeroso cuz I like to use the rod I pack.

Can I wear tights, too? At least under my Grandmaster Sheriff's uniform?

Light will now have to be referred to as Monsieur Light, auteur of Batman and Robyn da Hood, replete with Director's chair, beret, and of course, an ivory and onyx cigarette holder.

Off to the green room...

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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 21:42:16 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Sheriff Monmotty
Subject: Re: Lincoln Green Tights
Message:
My creativity is blocked. I can't do anything until these popcorn and cranberries are strung, the more I make the more I need! I think you guys should help me so we can move on to the fun of making this movie! :) Is there any crying in my part, guess not but I always got the crying parts as a kid cause I could think of my dog that died and the tears would flow. I'll be to macho in this though? I'd better have some kind of a shirt or that image will never fly!
I think you should be working in Da Bats In Da Belfry, what coffers or car dealership...the bat mobile, that may work, bad asses around the hood in the bat mobile! We may make millions on this! Hahahaha, an evil laugh it was. :)
Robyn da Hood
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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 22:52:24 (EST)
From: Grandmaster Sheriff Monmotty
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: Lincoln Green Tights
Message:
Robyn:

I think the dog part will have to be in the sequel 'Green Tights and Old Yeller.' Bittersweet...you'll laugh, you'll cry... Hmmm, maybe we can get Bambi in this too, a 100 hankie movie fer shure.

Good luck avec the cranberries and popcorn.

GSM ^..^

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Date: Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 08:19:43 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Sheriff Monmotty
Subject: our life's work!
Message:
Dear GSM and Light,
Such forward thinking GSM, on to the next movie and we haven't even started the first one! Maybe I have found my niche in this world! :) Yes, Bambi, I live here with Bambi you know. Poor things are freaking out right now. It is buck season through Sat and then doe season Mon, Tues and possibly Wed. Maybe we should buy hankie stock in advace of your careers taking off! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 10:25:54 (EST)
From: GSM
Email: None
To: Robyn & Light
Subject: Re: our life's work!
Message:
Dear Robyn & Light:

First buck and then doe season? How horrible. I think this is a job for the Grandmaster Sheriff to step and with his 12 gauge and stop that insanity...poor things. Ever wonder why deer are named after money? Filthy lucre...speaking of which, we should be rolling in it after our joint debut. Off to the Bats in Da Belfry for a drink and a think. Gotta figure out the third movie for our ever-expanding Green Tights franchise.

Success is ours!

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Date: Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 19:13:35 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: GSM
Subject: Re: our life's work!
Message:
Dear Monmotty and Light,
Well maybe they name deer after money because they bring lots of it into the economy up here, fees, equiptment and service businesses and stores here.
I just realized as I read your post that I have a similar 'venture' going with Fran in my water aerobics class, it is bases on the Saturday Night Live skit about Synchronized Swimming as an up and coming event at the olympics. Martin Short and another guy who always did Tom Snyder (never knew his name) are in the real skit but Fran and I say we will meet and work on it...but never do. :( It is great fun and she and I often break out of form during class into some impromtu move for 'our routine'. :) This is why it is hard for me to think of this communication as different from my real life. I am nuts here in my physical life too!
Well I guess we'd better start getting together to work on these ventures! :) I have a friend who writes screen plays... :)
Almost done with those popcorn and cranberries. Just getting an attitude adjustment first. :) Or a Ricola as Anth would say.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:32:51 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Monmotty
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Monmotty,
I love that name, you are Monmot, eh? It was a galant effort dear, :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 21:45:38 (EST)
From: Grandmaster Monmotty
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Robyn:

Yes, I am the one, but not only, Monmot. Thanks for your kind compliment.

GM (General Manager?)

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Date: Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:50:19 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Monmotty
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Monmotty,
I am loving this litte aside we are sharing here, the 3 of us. I sence light is a premie, maybe I am wrong but we are all having a nice time. :)
I do remember reading what Monmot means, is it something like non believer, could you refresh my memory?
I know who GM (General Manager) was and I am sure you aren't that person. I don't quite understand...
'GM (General Manager?)'
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 01:39:57 (EST)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Robyn:

Yes, this if fun. Light's pretty damn funny also. Love the Batcave, Batdisco and, I guess, the eventual Bats in His Belfry...

Just punning with the initials GM (General Manager). I didn't realize a General Manager posted here before, so that was just an inadvertent confusion.

Monmot was the Hindi (?) word used to describe premies who 'spaced out' knowledge. Not quite Bongo, but someone who went out for the proverbial glass of water and has yet to return. Remember that story in satsang?

Have fun dancing. Going to the Batdisco?

Take care
M

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Date: Thurs, Dec 09, 1999 at 05:56:03 (EST)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: Re: You read my mind
Message:
Dear Monmotty,
Hope you don't mind if I use this, it sounds endearing. :) Kind of like Bats in his Belfry too. :)
Maybe GM was only on Sir's forum.
Do I remember that satsang, naw, out to long and don't have that good of a memory.
Batdisco, ah no, a thing at the college where I work but I heard it may snow in which case I wouldn't go. :( To far from home and to many ups and downs. Here it has been so mild. :( Did you know I hate winter, the cold and getting around in the snow. I could stay up there but need to come home for the dogs and cats and the woodstove.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 05:09:57 (EST)
From: ANY one got a light
Email: None
To: Grandmaster Mothball
Subject: Da Robyn da Hood Rap
Message:
Yo,

As the crew are often heard to say in da Forest:

'From little acorns do da big oak grow.'

And it came to pass, the Grandmaster split the sapling with a single arrow. His baudy tale of the Wood Nymph was well received in Nottingham. But the Evil Witch said 'This tale is too short, go back to your castle and party long and hard. Contemplate the secrets of the forest, groove on down but do not return till you have told this story to the fullest.' And he did and all was fab and he was hip and babes fawned over him. But he did not become rich because the Evil Witch spirited away all the freakin' royalties because she was a selfish, mean bitch. 'Mirror, mirror on the wall I am the coolest, and when slightly tipsy, the baddest of 'em all.'

And now, methinks, I take my leave with adieu, goodbye & sayonara.

To the Batcave.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 03:33:39 (EST)
From: ANY ppppremie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: I can answer that
Message:
What took you so long? The Harvey bit, I like. Excellent film. Some of your stuff is sharp although I have a different perspex on some of it. Probably more radical than even yours. As you butted in on my original question tell me something else. How do you know all this? Is your understanding of the term 'that experiance' based on your 'that experiance' or evaluations of other people's 'that experiance.' Really. I must admit I always cringe at the term myself.

The rabbit bit, I really like. A film about an alchoholic. Was the rabbit the dipso or was it Jimmy Stewert?

How's things at the Latvian Klub?

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:47:33 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: ANY ppppremie
Subject: I'm not going to bother proving an entire cult culture
Message:
You guys are so much like Holocaust deniers it's not funny. Look, I'm not going to bother proving the existence every last brick at Aushwitz. What's the point? If you were there you know what it was all about. Who's fooling whom?

Of course the 'experience' was all about connecting to Maharaji within. What else do you think we were doing when we awoke before dawn only to scramble down to the living room in which the only furniture was a giant altar with his picture on it. There to sing a long, sombre, devotional song confirming in the most absolute terms his universal presence. Then to drop to the ground, bowing and praying to his larger-than-life-size picture. Then to hold our hands out like blind beggars waiting for his 'light' and a few drops of water from his 'toilet' (isn't that what you'd call it? He washes his feet with the twater, we bottle it and drink it in prayer. Eau-de-Hamster?).

The 'experience' was pretty loaded, I'd say. We didn't have a chance.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:24:51 (EST)
From: ANY premie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah, you never had a chance.
Message:
Yeah, you never had a chance. You see I never did any of this wierd shit that you were so stupid enough to waste so much of your life on. Sound's like you fell for somehting big-style. Time for you to do your abusive bit.

Next up.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:39:38 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: ANY premie
Subject: Re: Yeah, you never had a chance.
Message:
ANY Premie,

Fair enough if you weren't around in those days. But does that absolve you from thinking about it, learning about it, and dealing with it? It was your master who was behind it all. Every bit of it. You want to doubt that? Fine - you'll get tons of evidence here which, if you are not in a cult, will convince you. And after that, if you still have any respect for Maharaji, then that would be the proof that you are in a cult. No different than the Arti tray swinging group we were.

John.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 11:46:03 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, you poor deluded person...
Message:
Jim, Jim, Jim,

Don't you even listen to this brilliant person anypremie, or Annie, or any of them?

Arti for instance, you must not have recieved the memo that it was all A BIG JOKE! We passed it around in secret you know. Someone must have skipped you. 'You are my mother you are my father'
'Our Lord is the Superior power in person' You took it literlally????? You fool. The other premies must have been laughing their asses off at you! We all just got up there and sang that song for the shits and giggles. You believed it?

And darhsan, prasad, holy water, the guru inheritied all that stuff. How could he have stopped it? It was beyond his control. He didn't know that people were worshipping him. He thought they all got the memo that it was all a joke. He really just didn't know what to do. People sent him all this money and dedicated their lives to him. How could he possibly have stopped them?It isn't his fault what they thought. Just because they filed by kissing his feet and fainting and giving him gift for hours on end, how was he to know that meant they thought he was Lord. ( By the way Lord didn't mean Lord as in God, it meant Lord as in 'Lord and Taylor' did you miss that TOO!).

Jim, you have to listen to these premies better.

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Date: Tues, Dec 07, 1999 at 00:04:56 (EST)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Re: Jim, you poor deluded person...
Message:
You expose the premie argument in a great way Susan
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:54:49 (EST)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Read Susan's Post....LOL(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 01:59:03 (EST)
From: Annie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Try a subject that you at least mildly comprehend
Message:
--

Indeed, you are a very shallow and inexperienced fool. You should team up with your friend who believes 'knowledge is snot' and proudly stake your claim as two of the most superficially intelligent, yet utterly clueless (as in lacking in genuine wisdom) people on this page.

But please, continue to be proud of this. It simply reduces all else you say to the words of a hollow shill (and shell). Loud, bullying and quite empty. At least this forum gives you a place to be a blowhard.

Enjoy yourself.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:51:51 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Okay, you explain it then
Message:
You're absolutely right. I never 'got' it.

But let's talk about 'nectar', shall we? What do you think it is? Read 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?', Maharaji's own offical biography, fully sanctioned by him, you better believe it. A whole bunch of scientific mumbo jumbo about the pineal gland and sine waves, etc. Do you buy that now? Any of it? If so, please explain. If not, please explain.

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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 02:17:12 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: That's so funny coming from you of all people
Message:
When you called me last, Annie, and wanted to discuss matters, I agreed. But, as you'll recall, no sooner did we start that you begged off, afraid to actually think or talk clearly about Maharaji. Do you remember? Take another look at your email if that'll help.
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 02:50:46 (EST)
From: Annie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Sorry Jim, Wrong Annie
Message:
That wasn't me.
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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:44:47 (EST)
From: Bublegum
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I can also answer that
Message:
Have you never felt happy?
Have you ever felt that bubbling feeling inside yourself?
Have you ever felt that you spread your arms and fly?
Have you ever felt that you that you could just jump (when nobody saw you) and kick your heels together?
Have you ever felt that it doesnt matter if somebody tells you it is an illusion, or even if they say you are stupid.
Have you ever felt that you could kiss the earth?
Have you ever felt really grateful, even if things are not going your way?
Have you ever felt that it doesnt matter to whom you are devoted to, you just are?
Have you ever felt that you just want to embrace life itself?
That is the 'experience' that I feel sometimes. And the only way I can figure it out, it has some connection with the Knowledge Maharaji gave to me.
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Date: Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:56:38 (EST)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Bublegum
Subject: Have you ever felt like you are about to throw up?
Message:
I do after reading that inane post.

By the way, have you ever felt like you have ripped off by a charlatan claiming to be god?

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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 22:57:10 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Bublegum
Subject: If that's enough for you, great -- personally, I'm not a pentacostal
Message:
Bublegum,

A lot of religions get this kind of 'joy' happening. It's the stock and trade of any pentacostal movement. Personally? I do care about the truth.

Consider this:

Maharaji and Satpal both book large programs in some Manchester Convention centre. It's a big place and somehow -- call it grace? -- their programs are side-by-side. Bizarre? Sure, but stranger things have happened. Anyway, the premies spill out of Maharaji's program right around the same time the -- what can we call them? 'UNpremies'? How 'bout just 'Satpal premies'? -- start leaving Satpal's revival meeting. They are all extremely happy. They have all been with their 'master'. They are all deeply infused with the 'love of the Creator'. The problem, of course, is that both Satpal and Prempal call each other the scourge of the earth, the greatest imposter alive, the enemy of truth and what not.

So what happens? A few Prempal premies and some Satpal premies get on the bus together. Everyone's happy, smiling, modest, reverential. No one wants any trouble. Right? But then, sure enough, someone starts talking to the person next to them tninking they're from the same camp. Alas, they're not. An argument ensues. The Maharaji premie turns to you for a little back up. What are you going to say, Bublegum?

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Date: Sun, Dec 05, 1999 at 23:27:45 (EST)
From: Bublegum
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You see, it might just be enough for me!
Message:
Sweet dreams dear Jim.
Is there really anything to discuss when you are really happy?
May be I would just chew my bubblegum and care less.

May be you should think twice?

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:01:56 (EST)
From: bb
Email: None
To: x's
Subject: rawat tv
Message:
the move by the rawat family enterprises

to go weekly and global over the sattelites

is not good news.

There is so much video footage that he has and

52 heavily edited weekly episodes of his

evolving trickery might seem like a step into

oblivion at first but -the grace- will have

innocents getting hooked more and more as

global tv becomes more and more available to

third world masses.

This development will have to be monitored and

as its effect increases, the rich christians

will have to be enlisted to fund a program that

follows his program that provides ex-premie

views.

Having a 'living' master requires haveing

a 'living' opposition that responsibly monitors

and contains the cancer.

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 03:45:25 (EST)
From: bb
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Re: rawat tv
Message:
I forgot to mention, the west funded a lot of the third

world expenses and I expect him to have less cost

running the program in asia, africa and soulth america

just due to market factors. So to promote his

mastership, he will do in those locations what he would

do everywhere if he had the money, run the feeds for

free.

Why? Because his millenium meglomania drives him to

keep pushing the guru as lord, knowlege as ultimate

truth roadshow.

He is not interested in going out in a quiet way and

grandiosity and that crown and that house and G-4 keep

reminding him that he is obviously destined

to still have at least one more round of glorious triumph

dancing his crowned way in front of 'lucky' new

recruits. This global tv road he sees. Right now it is

pay per view in the west, but if he cuts back on

jet expenses he can easily fund sattelite

broadcasts for free to millions in the new millenium.

Dont think that you cant take all those years of old

videos and make up an insidious next wave of propogation.

Ex premie org has a long future ahead of it.

What can go wrong for mankind does go wrong.

And, the lord of the universe is just the kind of

-wrong- that religion is noted for.

Face it, religion is the source of so much hallucinations

about life. prem rawat is too perfect to be wasted

by whatever force it is we wrestle with here on earth

that leaves us with the track record we have over the

many centuries.

We need to get a copy of that angry video feed.

The show is not over.

All the archived materials and work that has been done

in the x world has a future.

A cult with video footage like he has and money and

todays technology for mass communication is a disaster

for mankind but typical for the realm of religion.

Religion provides a wealth of areas of contention that

feeds into our need to compete and conflict with one

another.

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 04:12:12 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Don't worry !!
Message:
Who's going to pay Visions for such shows?

Not talking about the price of the equipment. Only big communities will be able to afford it.

This is going to be a hard time for many premies, like in the 80s' when Rawat closed everything. Hopefully many of them will quit, like in the 80s'.

Who's going to stay? I'd say that most old timers are fed up, not speaking of their middle age crisis.

This will last for a while, and he'll show up from time to time on the lands .... or retire for good.

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 01:24:39 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: WARNING! Toxic Posts Below
Message:
It's seems that Mr. Cerberus is now angry with us because his post was removed by the Forum Admins and he has stuck some hopefully benign and a little malicious HTML or Script into posts subjected as:

From: It's not nice

Subject: being bounced

From: Neither is it

Subject: being kept hanging around

The first post will cause your browser to act funny for a moment.

The second post will put your browser into a loop and you can stop it by hitting your STOP button.

To Forum Admins: Before deleting these posts please edit them and send me the code at drek@oz.net. Also you might want to contact the Paradise admins and discuss this with them.

To Ex-Premies: This guy Cerberus and whoever else he calls himself is not our friend. I urge that if you wish to continue communication with him that you do it at your own expense and at your own time either through email or your own personal forum. He should not be encouraged in the least bit nor should he be given an audience.

It is quite possible that Cerberus could put dangerous and malicious code into his messages and harm any one of our computers.

Bottom Line: There are some really bad people on the Internet and don't you forget that.

EPILOGUE:

Ok, the dangerous posts seem to be gone and replaced with all of those dots. I did manage to look at the script code hidden within the browser info. No big deal, but annoying.

Nevertheless, this guy is an arrogant egocentric scumbag who I imagine if provoked (as I'm doing) might attempt more drastic measures.

Again, these people are not our friends. Their efforts to have meaningful communikashun is pure bullshit because they are really spin doctors for their Daddy Dearest, Maharaji.

I say as soon as we see that they are messing with our heads here that we boot them off and keep deleting their messages as they continue to infiltrate with different identities and different proxy servers.

They are out to disrupt our main objectives here and they are out to antagonize us. It's pretty simple, don't ya think? And we don't have to take this shit. This is our forum.

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 02:14:05 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oops, he got another one in there
Message:
Seems that Cerberus has snuck another one in with the From being 'Up your ass'. It's got another piece of Script in the browser section.

Come on! I'm really ticked off that we've given this guy 15 minutes of fame here. This guy is a sick piece of shit. Really, doesn't this guy have any thing better to do with his life.

Hey, I wonder if we can contact his school where he claims to be getting a degree in computer security and tell them what he is doing here? I think he said OU. Is that Ohio University? Oregon University? Or somewhere more prestigious? Then again that little fact that he so arrogantly dropped might be more B.S.

And again and again - keep the sicko premies out of here. What's the point?

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 04:02:16 (EST)
From: Agent Dave
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: What it all means
Message:
The abbreviation 'OU' is short for 'Open University' which is here in Britain. The Open University is a correspondence course based education facility. It gives people correspondence courses and some TV programmes on a variety of subjects for which they can study. It is not necessarily up to degree level although it can be.

Cerby has made many mistakes in his stories. He originally pretended to be in America and now the story has changed and he is in Britain. He is obviously in Britain and is British.

Also, he is the same person who used to be Rob and that supposed keek son of a fictitious premie. I suspect he could also be Bim Doubtfire too.

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 04:14:35 (EST)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Agent Dave
Subject: webspider
Message:
You may want to check out www.tenmax.com

and view the product-teleport pro-

We can yank whole websites off the internet and copy them

whole at once.

I think we should have offline copies of the elan

vital merchandise and brick a brak store and the various

other sites as in the future they will take them

down and put on a new and different face.

That is for sure.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 23:19:47 (EST)
From: In Your Face
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hey Randy....
Message:
...whats up pal?

Why don't you drop us a line and tell us what this is all about?

__________________________________________________

OFFICER/DIRECTOR DETAIL SCREEN CORP NUMBER: P97000020967 CORP NAME: ADVANCED COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGIES, IN

TITLE: CEOD NAME: MAY, ROGER

2222 MICHELSON DRIVE, SUITE 477

IRVINE, CA 92612TITLE: PD NAME: NEEDHAM, NANCY DR

307 E. 51ST STREET NEW YORK, NY 10022

TITLE: TDO NAME: DUPONT, REX DR

2247 P.B.L. BLVD.,STE.220

WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33409

TITLE: S NAME: HUMMEL, WENDELIN 518 GABLES COURT

LANGHORNE, PA 19047TITLE: D NAME: PROUTY, RANDALL

1900 DECKER SCHOOL LANE

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TITLE: D NAME: FINCH, MICHAEL R DR. 27 LAKESHORE DRIVE

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 00:00:30 (EST)
From: IYF
Email: None
To: In Your Face
Subject: Re: Hey Randy....this is exciting!!
Message:
Advanced Communications Technologies, Inc-New Acquisitions - Total Solution Wireless Network provider - 2001

Thursday, November 18, 1999 03:18 PM

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 18, 1999--The Board of Directors of Advanced Communications Technologies, Inc. ('ACT') (OTC BB: ADVC) announced today that it has completed the acquisition of majority equity in World IP, Inc., a facilities based carrier, with ISP gateways operating in Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Venezuela.

A Real Audio broadcast of this press release is available for replay at: http://www.wallstreetnewscast.net in ADVC's Profile Section.

The Chief Executive Officer, Roger May also stated that the acquisition of a majority equity in two other communications companies is well advanced, and expected to be completed before the end of 1999. The new acquisitions are consistent with the company's objectives of becoming a next generation total solution wireless network carrier for the communications industry for the next century.

May also said, 'the company is currently completing the acquisition of a 'Spectrum Efficient point-to-point Digital Microwave' (SEM) backbone link. The SEM has a currently installed base of more than 100 units internationally. Operating at 1024 QAM, the backbone link provides 3-4 time more call carrying capacity, within the same spectrum, than most other microwave network links currently used by the major carriers.' The company is also purchasing a Wireless Local Loop technology that is also currently operational. Full details will be made available upon the completion of the acquisitions.

When combined with the company's 'SpectruCell' Multiple Protocol Wireless base station, ACT will be able to provide a total solution wireless network, capable of terminating voice and data calls to both mobile telephone networks, and fixed network home/office phones. The SpectruCell network will be essentially 'future proof' as it is software upgradeable, has open architecture, and most importantly, can carry all current and evolving protocols (CDMA, GSM, W-CDMA, 3G. etc.) over the same network. It will also allow for 'spread distribution' network operation, eliminating the majority of the centralized switching bottlenecks currently being experienced by most carriers. SpectruCell, the SEM link, and the WLL, will all be proprietary technologies owned by the company and its affiliates.

May also advised, that the investment Memorandum prepared by Pricewaterhouse Coopers Securities to raise AU$20 million for the R&D facility in Australia is now available. Completion of this interim funding is expected in early 2000.

ACT is well placed to be a major wireless communications provider, with proprietary wireless network facilities that can be rapidly deployed in both traditional markets, and especially in the evolving third world regions.

More information about ACT is available at http://www.adcomtech.net

The foregoing contains forward-looking information within the meaning of The Private Securities Litigation Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties. The actual results may differ materially from such forward-looking statements. The company does not undertake to publicly update or revise its forward-looking statements even if experience or future changes make it clear that any projected results (expressed or implied) will not be realized.

CONTACT: Advanced Communications Technologies, Inc.

Roger May, CEO

Tel: 949/622-5566

Fax: 949/477-8022

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or

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www.wallstreetnewscast.com

Thomas Bustamante, CEO

Tel: 212/625-9930

Fax: 212/625-9927

Quote for referenced ticker symbols: ADVC

© 1999, Business Wire

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:02:52 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: All
Subject: updated statistics-dying cult
Message:
web site statistics of Maharaji.org as of November 25:

english: 1,257,007

Spanish: 86,424

French: 20,796

Italian: 13,054

Deutsh: 7377

Hindi: 3,931

TOTAL: 1,388,589

happy thanksgiving

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:29:00 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: These are web page hits
Message:
These are web page hits. I go there sometimes and I'm definitely an ex. You have no breakdown as to how many are from exes, premies and casual surfers. Also each visit to the site entails a number of page hits so the statistics are pretty meaningless.

John.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 16:45:13 (EST)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: still...a lot of hits for a DYING cult (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 12:32:04 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: These are web page hits
Message:
Maybe some of the premies are 'addicted' to reading M's site, as Bim suggested below, and thus need to log on many times a day :). Seriously, I agree that web page hit statistics are pretty meaningless unless you give a detailed explanation or breakdown (which you can get from your server - it can show you the pages which get the most hits and so forth.)
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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:14:31 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: UK Statistics
Message:
People received Knowledge: 40,000

People practising Knowledge: 3,000

Ex-premies: 37,000.

Anth the Statistician

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 14:59:22 (EST)
From: Another View
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: UK Statistics
Message:
Dear Anth the Incomplete Statistician,

Number of people in the UK who call themselves ex-premies and post on this site: 10, if that

People in the UK who can't be so easily categorized into your little groups whose views on this subject are perhaps a bit more fluid than your own: 36,990

Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it...

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 15:06:53 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Another View
Subject: Re: UK Statistics
Message:
AV,

Fair point, but as home computer penetration is very limited here in the UK, and premies messed up their career opportunities following the lord, I wouldn't expect many UK premies or ex-premies on this site. Anyway, have we ever had a UK premie here?

John.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 17:10:49 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: JHB
Subject: No UK premies on forum so far.
Message:
There haven't been any that I am aware of in the last two years, nor in the forum 1 archives for the year before that. Even though premies are always anonymous (apart from Chris Dickey and SHP) you can usually identify the location from use of language and times of posting.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 19:45:31 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: There was one
Message:
Once Glen Whittaker posted here using his own name. That was just a one off though.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:30:36 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: UK Statistics
Message:
Anth,

Where do you get that inflated figure of 3000? Typical of you exes twisting numbers to fit your beliefs.

John.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:10:04 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: What these figures mean
Message:
These are the figures for the number of swear words (cuss words) people have made who have viewed Maharaji's site.

The most relevant figures are for the number of people who have received knowledge this year. I think you'll find these figures to be extremely low outside of India (where being 'registered' with a guru is the tradition and part of their superstition, i.e. the more gurus they register with, the more likely they will get to heaven).

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 11:06:52 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: Re: updated statistics-dying cult
Message:
Wow !!! All in one day ???

Let's give it up guys. Super Goober has us whipped!

Of course these figures are as trust worthy as the guru, right?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 18:34:28 (EST)
From: Selene off topic
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Hi Gerry
Message:
So you are still around. Hi.

Are you being polite?

I agree web page hits mean very little. And it's so easy to get software to make them a little more analytical.

This person has a Mac browser. I thought I was the only one since that is what I can from work as a loaner.

Well. I am avoiding socializing on Thanksgiving. Bad girl.

Just wanted to say hi.

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Date: Fri, Nov 26, 1999 at 02:13:49 (EST)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Selene off topic
Subject: Re: Hi Gerry
Message:
Hi Selene,

The lord is also taking Thanksgiving off from socializing.

The king is in his computer room,

arrangeing his own computers to be the source of all

or most of the hits that call his websites so that

his web stuff shows up so much in the search engines

results when you do a search for the name maharaji.

maharaji means -Ultimate Ruler- in case you fergot!

According to rawat.

I HAVE a report he wanted from hans jayanti 79 that

listed the numbers of premies leaving and the dates of

thier flights out and the numbers of premies remaining

each day. He used to say -dont tell me there are 10,000

premies here, I could believe 9875 or 10253, but not

10,000 exactly.- So being such a number freak,

I would expect him to carefully figure the amount of

hits he wanted on his websites and which parts of the

websites he wanted showing up in the search engines and

in what general order.

And what amount of hits to the different language options

and even arrangeing other websites to send his hits

from or whatever devious shit his meglomania narcissisim

came up with.

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