AJW -:- Sites for Sore Eyes. -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 12:44:10 (GMT)

__ Des Perado -:- Sites for Sore Eyes. -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 13:05:48 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- Hey, Forum Admin! -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:28:42 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- DSL -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:34:30 (GMT)

__ __ Roger eDrek -:- DSL -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 11:06:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Dyslexic -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 12:26:13 (GMT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- ERs to Brian -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:53:26 (GMT)

__ __ Katie -:- Forum features -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:57:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ Charlie -:- Forum features -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 17:35:59 (GMT)

__ __ Charlie -:- ERs to Brian -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 13:33:05 (GMT)

la-ex -:- tokin with the hamster -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 02:01:00 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- tokin with the hamster -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:36:32 (GMT)

__ phil -:- tokin with the hamster -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 02:40:27 (GMT)

__ __ Know It All -:- tokin with the hamster -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:07:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ gerry -:- tokin with the hamster -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:55:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Des Perado -:- tokin with the hamster -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 11:10:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Christopher -:- hamming with the tokester -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:51:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Des Perado -:- hamming with the tokester -:- Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 08:48:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- hamming with the tokester -:- Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 14:08:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Des Perado -:- Poking with the Shampster -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:05:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Poking with the Shampster -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 14:16:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Des Perado -:- Paranoia in the Darshan -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 03:45:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Paranoia in the Darshan -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 08:11:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- Thanks for inviting me over... -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 22:00:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Thanks for inviting me over... -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 23:00:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- Thanks for inviting me over... -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 02:32:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Thanks for inviting me over... -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 03:31:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- Thanks for inviting me over... -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 13:04:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Thanks for inviting me over... -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 15:46:39 (GMT)

JW -:- What Company Is This? (OT) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 00:35:08 (GMT)

__ des perado -:- What Company Is This? (OT) -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 13:43:53 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- Disputed figures? (OT) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:41:45 (GMT)

__ Robyn -:- What Company Is This? (OT) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:20:53 (GMT)

__ Monmot -:- Sounds Like Congress To Me -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:11:36 (GMT)

__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Sounds Like Congress To Me -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 06:42:12 (GMT)

__ __ JW -:- Right -- Distressing, No? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:51:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ shifting -:- Right -- Distressing, No? -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 03:05:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ Mike -:- That's the problem, JW -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 15:59:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Hi, Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 21:56:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ JW -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 04:42:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 07:33:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 15:32:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ shifting -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 17:12:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 18:00:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 06:24:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- The Problem in MONEY, Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:16:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Socrates -:- You are an idealist Mike -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 00:04:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- YOU missed my point entirely -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 15:47:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- YOU missed my point entirely -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 07:49:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AKA -:- There you are! -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 20:09:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Yup, it's me -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 19:32:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Really? -:- Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 03:19:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- QP -:- Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 19:28:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Soap Box climbing -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 22:09:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ Monmot -:- And worse... -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:59:13 (GMT)

__ Powerman -:- What Company Is This? (OT) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 00:56:09 (GMT)

__ __ JW -:- What Company Is This? (OT) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:12:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ gerry -:- Tyson Poultry? NT -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:17:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- The Catholic Church NT -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 05:34:54 (GMT)

Deputy Dog -:- Take me out of the 'Best Of' -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:20:47 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- Don't worry Dog -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:52:21 (GMT)

__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Don't worry Dog -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 14:31:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ Mike -:- Rumi -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 16:04:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Rumi -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 04:26:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Rumi -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:46:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ You and Mike... -:- are complete and utter jokes! -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 22:24:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- With your own words! -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 16:00:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- With your own words! -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 19:11:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Des Perao -:- The Master who Danced! -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 12:50:38 (GMT)

__ __ Robyn -:- AJW you crack me up! -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 13:06:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ corvuscorax -:- Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 19:16:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:00:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ corvuscorax -:- Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 14:05:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 01:20:01 (GMT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- Too late - carved in stone -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 05:37:30 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Do you really love me ???????? -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:30:52 (GMT)

__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Do you really love me ???????? -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:06:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Trying to figure out -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:21:08 (GMT)

Brian -:- Time Zones and Email -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 16:44:21 (GMT)

__ Selene -:- Time Zones and Email -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 19:44:52 (GMT)

__ __ Monmot -:- I Second That Emotion -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:18:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ AJW -:- I thirdThat Emotion -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:59:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Charlie -:- The Golden Key? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 13:49:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- The Golden Coup? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 14:01:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- The Golden Coup? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:04:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- ...and then... -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:43:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Charlie -:- The Golden Coup? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 17:56:40 (GMT)

__ Robyn -:- Time Zones and Email -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 16:47:35 (GMT)

__ __ Brian -:- Hmmm -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:06:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robyn -:- Hmmm -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:27:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Brian -:- Hmmm -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:07:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Hmmm -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:26:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Thanks and a small request -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:19:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Thanks and a small request -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 23:42:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Brian -:- Thanks and a small request -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:44:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- The X thing doesn't work -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:33:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Thanks and a small request -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:26:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Christopher -:- What type of breed is he? (nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 18:51:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- What type of breed is he? (nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:07:05 (GMT)

carol -:- Please publish my Journey/here -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:37:38 (GMT)

__ Brian -:- It's now online -:- Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 19:19:03 (GMT)

__ __ carol -:- Great, but if you come... -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 08:31:08 (GMT)

__ Selene -:- Please publish my Journey/here -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:59:31 (GMT)

__ __ carol -:- Scared??? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 08:48:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robyn -:- Scared??? -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:10:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- rotting vegies -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 16:51:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ gerry -:- llamas ot -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 16:00:07 (GMT)

__ michael -:- WOW! World of Wonder.... -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:13:37 (GMT)

__ gerry -:- Please publish my Journey/here -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 16:36:35 (GMT)

__ __ carol -:- common law and goodnight all -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 08:47:21 (GMT)

__ __ carol the crazed -:- Howdy Kimosabe! -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:39:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ Des Perado -:- Howdy Kimosabe! -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 14:03:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ carol -:- Howdy Kimosabe! -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 00:09:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Des Perado -:- Humble Appologies -:- Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 06:25:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ Diz -:- Thanks! And Michael Valentine -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 10:49:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Carol -:- Thanks! And Michael Valentine -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 22:52:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hi Diz!!! -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:10:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- You're a corker!! -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 03:39:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Diz -:- Hi Marianne -:- Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 23:14:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- Howdy Kimosabe! -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 19:36:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ carol -:- Few know the depths and layers -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:01:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- time zones -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 20:12:49 (GMT)

__ Powerman -:- Please publish my Journey/here -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 14:46:23 (GMT)

__ __ carol -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:41:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ Powerman -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:28:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ carol -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 08:56:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 15:11:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ carol the curious -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:17:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 14:40:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ michael -:- Who are you? Please...Come out -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:38:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- thank you michael (nt) -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:24:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ michael -:- Who do ya wanta be.... -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:50:32 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- This one for Michael (Mickey) -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 06:44:07 (GMT)

__ Michael -:- Er, Roger... -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:30:08 (GMT)

__ __ Roger Roseannadana eDrek -:- Nevermind... -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:54:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ Padre Miguel -:- Nevermind... -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 05:23:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Gracias, Guru Mariachi -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 07:29:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Michael -:- Gracias, Guru Mariachi -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 14:10:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Neat! -:- Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:25:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robyn -:- Nevermind... -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:30:01 (GMT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- More realaudio radio (ot) -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 07:06:08 (GMT)

CBI -:- Question -:- Tues, Jan 04, 2000 at 23:42:43 (GMT)

__ Robyn -:- Question -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:25:24 (GMT)

__ Neil Armstrong -:- Yes! Lunar = Lunatic. (nt) -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 13:51:46 (GMT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- Wait a minute here -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:26:11 (GMT)

__ __ CBI -:- Wait a minute here -:- Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 11:18:17 (GMT)

__ Coach -:- Question -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 00:03:59 (GMT)

__ __ Christopher -:- Say cheese? -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 19:36:34 (GMT)

__ Wadi Sue -:- Question -:- Tues, Jan 04, 2000 at 23:57:48 (GMT)

__ __ Mickey Moss -:- Question -:- Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 05:57:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robyn -:- MM -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:00:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Monmot -:- MM -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:16:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- MM -:- Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 07:13:02 (GMT)

Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 12:44:10 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Sites for Sore Eyes. Message:

Hi, There are some great new premie websites opening up. Some of the stuff is so tacky, it looks like it's been done by Ex-premies to discredit the cult. Via enjoyinglife.org if found elanvital.org.uk, and then appreciation.org. The sites have the usual cult 'slickness' about them, and look glossy and good. The trouble is they're full of the most amazing garbage. The introduction to appreciation.org is classic premie mumbo jumbo- appreciating 'the gift that we have been given'. Despite the unbelievable editing, censorship, rewriting, tweaking and hours that go into the published, public, face of the cult, still the crap thunders through. There's even a 'it's getting more beautiful each day' in there somewhere. The new premie stories are fantastic to read. They go something like, 'I went to this video, and it was really great and sounded like what I'd always been looking for. Now I've got knowledge and I'm really grateful and I promise I'm going to make an effort- honest.' (Do I get to stand at a desk at 'events' now?) It's wonderful to watch them writhe at the bottom of the chasm between, an acceptable public face for knowledge and the 'teacher', and the 'joy they feel in their hearts because they are with heeeeem.' This chasm is one of the reasons the cult will never stand up to the light of day, and Maharaji and premies won't talk to the press, and Maharaji's PR is always in a total mess. It's like watching a dog chase it's tail. Anth the Fiddling While the Cult Burns

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 13:05:48 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: AJW Subject: Sites for Sore Eyes. Message:

Speaking of sites, what's the latest on the site at Amaroo. I hear that there is a changing of the guard going on with many who have been involved in recent projects having been sent home before Xmas. M has been rumoured to have been pushing them hard these past few months. Has the money finally all been pissed up against the wall?

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:28:42 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Everyone Subject: Hey, Forum Admin! Message:

Hey, how about we drop down the Active Index to 200 messages. I had forgotten how slow it is to load 400 and I've got DSL.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:34:30 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: DSL Message:

Hi Roger, If you've got DSL you should go and see your doctor immediatley. Anth the Medical Expert

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 11:06:59 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: AJW Subject: DSL Message:

AJW, perhaps you are dyslexic and misread that.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 12:26:13 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Dyslexic Message:

Roger, I haven't been dyslexic for about 4 months. It was some dodgy dahl I had that was in the fridge too long. Anth of the Regular Bowels

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:53:26 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Roger eDrek Subject: ERs to Brian Message:

Forum Software Enhancement Requests: 1. I would really like to be able to use the Special Characters that are provided by HTML via the ampersand-name-semicolon or even the numeric representations of special characters. For example, the cedilla as in the word facade. Or the N tilde for espanol. Umlat when I'm speaking German. Others like ae dipthong, the non breaking backspace, the one quarter and one half fractions, etc. 2. Why is there a 50 char limit on strings within the message? This makes it impossible to embed some long URLs. 3. This textarea has too many rows. I'm running 800 x 600 and the textarea extends beyond the end of the screen if I stopped scrolling the screen to fill in my name or the subject textboxes. If a user is writing a short message they really don't need all of this real estate taken up by the textarea. And I think that short messages are more common than the long boring ones that I tend to write at my 80 words per minute typing rate. The problem is that the Submit button is beyond the end of the screen and the user has click outside of the textarea and then has to scroll the entire screen to get to the Submit button. God, I don't know what that would be like with a mouse that doesn't have a mousewheel, oh I guess there's that arrow key, but your hand is already on the mouse and you're going to use the mouse on the submit button anyway. Again, most messages are not that long and I think that users might find it easier to scroll the textarea rather as needed than have to scroll the entire screen everytime to get to the Submit button. I'd say about 15 rows might do the job. You might even look at how it looks at the 640 x 480 resolution. Specifically, I think the user will want to see the subject textbox, the textarea, the Preview checkbox, and the submit button on one screen. Maybe even the From textbox because it has to be filled out, too. And to do this you could remove some of the empty rows or remove or move descriptive text that is not essential.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:57:36 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Forum features Message:

(Disclaimer - the opinions expressed herein are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Forum Admins or of Brian.) Hi Roger - Are you drinking too much coffee or what, boy :)? I don't have a DSL (don't live in a metro area), but I find that the 400 messages on this forum load much faster than the 200 or even 100 messages visible on a Paradise forum. I also think having 400 message visible is helpful to those people who don't read the forum every single day - they can then easily respond to posts that were made a few days ago. I know that many people never read 'below the fold' on Paradise, so often people had to bring a message up to the top to insure that people would read their responses. However, if you really have a problem with it, this forum loads by threads, so you can stop it from loading the whole thing and still get the whole thread. Re text area: I HATED the small text area on Paradise, and I think a lot of other people did too. I find it difficult to write a coherent long message in five line chunks, and even 15 lines wouldn't be enough, IMHO. I do have a mousewheel mouse, but I never use the wheel - just the arrow & bar at the side, which are plenty fast for me. Also, in regard to long strings, you should be able to put more than 50 characters in a LINK. Try it. P.S. Dunno about special characters, cause I never use them.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 17:35:59 (GMT) From: Charlie Email: None To: Katie Subject: Forum features Message:

Yes indeed Katie. I have just reloaded the page and it builds twice as quick as anything paradise offer. I also remember people giving instructions to others on the Forum4 as to how you could bookmark the BIG list. Most people seemed to be pissed that they could only see 200 messages. Roger needs voice control software so he can shout his commands from his bed. :) Charlie

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 13:33:05 (GMT) From: Charlie Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: ERs to Brian Message:

Hi Roger, I'm sure that the powers that be will note your comments but I got the impression from reading between your lines that you might be a teeny-weeny bit lazy. I use a Macintosh without even the availabity of mousewheel mice and I reckon this software is dandy. Did you ever complain to paradise software that their text space was too small? I like it bigger, I can type a message without having to use another text editor or word processor. I have noticed that more people are stepping up too 1024x768 resolution these days. What size monitor are you using? Have you ever tried any voice control software on your PC?

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 02:01:00 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Everyone Subject: tokin with the hamster Message:

I am just curious-from all of the past stories of certain priveleged pams who were allowed to either have a drink or share a joint with the great hamster, I was just wondering what you might say to hamster if you were indeed one of those priveleged pams. If you had a few beers, or were a little high with hamster-ji, what would you say to him? Answers can be humorous, serious,funny, angry, whatever...

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:36:32 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: la-ex Subject: tokin with the hamster Message:

Hi la-ex, From what I hear, an appropriate phrase would be, 'Pass the spliff oh Perfect Master. It's nearly at the roach and I haven't had a hit yet.' Anth the Bogarted

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 02:40:27 (GMT) From: phil Email: None To: la-ex Subject: tokin with the hamster Message:

You Bastard! I've tried to practice K for 17 years and felt guilty any time I felt a desire to use recreational drugs.I'll be gone in the morning never to return. I am free at last.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:07:29 (GMT) From: Know It All Email: None To: la-ex Subject: tokin with the hamster Message:

Gee God, is this how you financed your earthly empire? Or was it the white stuff?

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:55:46 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Know It All Subject: tokin with the hamster Message:

How 'bout 'God, am I stoned!'

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 11:10:41 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: gerry Subject: tokin with the hamster Message:

He would probably replied, 'I don't know, are you?'

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:51:00 (GMT) From: Christopher Email: None To: all Subject: hamming with the tokester Message:

' Hey ..... man, what's with your Karma? .... That's some heavy deal yous doin...'

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Date: Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 08:48:32 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: Christopher Subject: hamming with the tokester Message:

'Superb liquor together with top grade smoke! At last an EXPERIENCE! This IS my Paradise! Thanks a million matey!'

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Date: Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 14:08:36 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Des Perado Subject: hamming with the tokester Message:

Dear Des, Excellent response, my favorite in the lot. :) If I was to be there with him and having a smoke I think I would just start picking up on his weird vibes and would have to try to get into it with him, that or leave to enjoy the buz. Love, Robyn

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:05:18 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Poking with the Shampster Message:

Well thanks Robyn. It's nice to receive a positive responce within thiese environs. As for your word picture of your imaginings, I can't quite focus on it. Please expand/comment further on the following; 1) 'his weird vibes', 2) would you have to exit his company to be able to enjoy/cope with the onslaught of the alcohol and THC? Byedebye

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 14:16:38 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Des Perado Subject: Poking with the Shampster Message:

Dear Des, re: his wierd vibes... I believe he does know that what he is doing, using and being cruel to people and I believe he is not comfortable in himself, that he hold premie's in distan but needs them to support his lifestyle. I thought he looked on me with distan when I went through darshan back in the day and I think one on one and stoned this would shine through. I would want to talk about that or leave if I didn't feel I could talk about it so I could enjoy the buzz I got but in truth if I was stoned and left for that reason I would probably feel bad and just work on those feelings in myself. Are you concidering the recentexes forum? I ask because of your thread the other day and also your comment to me about receiving a positive response from me and also and closest to my heart you misspelled the word responce and that endears you to my heart. :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 03:45:37 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Paranoia in the Darshan Message:

Hello again Robyn, Of course he knows what he is doing. He can be accused of a lot of things but lack of intelligence is not one of them. As for his demeanour during that darshan trip you refer to, who knows? For what it's worth, the last time I heard him refer to darshan when seeing him live, he told us that his next favourite thing to do other than giving K was darshan. So maybe he was just having a bad hair day when he spun you out by looking at you with distan. (?) As for the recentexes forum, yes I am. What do you know about it? I'm pleased that my spelling mistake endears me to your heart. Incorrect spelling, grammer and punctuation can make communication difficult. Don't you agree? Des.

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 08:11:31 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Des Perado Subject: Paranoia in the Darshan Message:

Dear Des, I have just been trying to accept my frailties with spelling and punctuation. Please don't tell me now that it makes communication with me difficult! I don't have the time to write every post in word and check for this stuff. I went to Catholic school and learned all this stuff, what can I say, it just didn't take. I guess I got off more on diagraming scentences because I liked the feel of that smooth chalk in my hand and with the 'proper' posture it was just to die for. I have to stop from using lots of words when I am typing becuase I have no idea how to spell them! Recentexes forum is great in that everyone acts well, civil, as far as I've seen so far. I haven't been there long and it is now an option for non-recentexes of which I am one. Also, I got that look of distan more then once so who knows. Why wouldn't he like it, he just had to sit there and be adorded! Maybe it was total bordom and not distan. Maybe he'd have been happy as a clam if he could have had a tiny TV or a magazine to read! Love, Robyn who communicates better verbally

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 22:00:23 (GMT) From: Shp Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Thanks for inviting me over... Message:

and thanks for the refreshments! All praise and glory to: The Most High God God Most High Angels we have heard on High Highway to Heaven This skunk stinks to High Heaven! Blessed be the Creator of all things, who has provided fruits and herbs from the earth for medicine for the heart and soul until we can do it all from the inside. Which way was this going? [This is a very speculative post, based on a big 'IF'. I do not know for a fact that he ever used. The future and what will happen to each of us down the road is a crap shoot. The only thing we can even hope to control is how we deal with it all. If I were really in such a situation, I'd probably do alot of non-judgemental listening and observing, pay alot of attention to the vibe, and assume no malice, pray for wisdom and understanding of the here and now I'd be in, just like I am doing now.] Hope everyone had a cool and safe New Year party time. I was in Times Square doing video work. It was very peaceful and mellow. Shp

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 23:00:38 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Shp Subject: Thanks for inviting me over... Message:

Dear Sandy, Happy New Year to you too! :) All I know for sure is an ex I have met a few times and consider a friend and honest, sincere and caring man who holds no anger toward M told me that before the Astrodome flop that he was a PAM and often shared a smoke with M. Love, Robyn

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 02:32:19 (GMT) From: Shp Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Thanks for inviting me over... Message:

Hey Robyn, That's interesting. I think it ought to be legal. With regard to weed, the drug war is a cash cow and a waste of lives, time, money and energy. I don't want to get deep right now, but when you think about the fact that tobacco, alcohol and coffee are the socially approved drugs in our society, and that coffee uses a vast amount of herbicides and pesticides to grow successfully (coffee uses the most of all crops I think), that alcohol percipitates so many deaths by auto, that tobacco causes so many cancers and suffering, weed doesn't look so bad. As a matter of fact...well, it feels like I'm starting to preach, so I will stop. Just a note...if you are interested, get hold of a copy of the Great Book of Hemp. It tells the whole story, or most of it for sure, from sacramental use throughout the ages, to artisitc inspiration, to industrial uses and more. That's it. I don't think it's a big deal whether he smoked or not, or whether you smoke or not either. On a scale of 1-10 with bliss as a 10 and total darkness as a 1, I don't think that weed moves the needle a bit. It's what we do and think and say that matters, what comes out of us, not what goes in. And whether we stare at a rock or gaze at clouds or read scriptures or have a beer with friends or birdwatch or practice Knowledge, it's what's in our hearts at the time that counts, not if we inhaled or not. That's how I feel. How do you feel? You are one of the sweetest folks here, you know that? Love, Sandy

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 03:31:01 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Shp Subject: Thanks for inviting me over... Message:

Dear Sandy, Yes, I believe it should be legal and is no worse then those things you mentioned and better then some. Makes you drive slower not faster for one! I'll look for that book on hemp. All things in moderation and then it can be a good thing but when I've gotten to using it to much it is draining. It is an aphrodisiac though, I think. :) Yes, what is important is what comes out of us, vile, indifferent, caring. Makes all the difference in our own lives and happiness. Thanks for your kind words about me too. I really appreciate it. Yesterday I was pretty wretched on Sir's forum so I am not some perfect happy person but I have found it makes me a happier person to face shit, deal with it and move on and try to feel as positive as I can. Love, Robyn

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 13:04:19 (GMT) From: Shp Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Thanks for inviting me over... Message:

Dear Robyn, And for those crampy times when you don't feel so sweet and nice, try some hot fresh Raspberry Leaf tea. It's a miracle green from nature that alleviates cramps. And find a tasty good soy milk for your constitution. I hear soy is great for men and women, particularly women, to avoid osteoporosis and other mainly female degenerative diseases. Sandy

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 15:46:39 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Shp Subject: Thanks for inviting me over... Message:

Dear Sandy, Thanks for the tea tip, I was thinking I wish I had some herbal tea here at work, maybe I'll go out and get some. I don't drink milk except in coffee and do drink soy milk and really like it, thanks. Love, Robyn

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 00:35:08 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: What Company Is This? (OT) Message:

An organization with approximately 500 employees has the following statistics regarding its employees: 29 have been accused of spousal abuse 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges 8 have been arrested for shoplifting 7 have been arrested for fraud 19 have been accused of writing bad checks 117 have bankrupted at least 2 businesses 3 have been arrested for assault 21 are current defendants in lawsuits In 1998 alone, 84 have been stopped for drunk driving What organization is this?

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 13:43:53 (GMT) From: des perado Email: None To: Everyone on this thread Subject: What Company Is This? (OT) Message:

You have all lost the thread. What is this all about? By the way. How many EV volunteers does it take to change a light bulb? I don't know but there will be a meeting on Sunday where this will be discussed. There will be a short video to start at 8p.m., followed by a light supper. A meeting will then follow on the subject of light bulbs and fund raising. A registration fee of $25 will be payable at the door and supper is for a small donation. The donation box will also be in clear sight. Come and enjoy the feeling!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:41:45 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: JW Subject: Disputed figures? (OT) Message:

It sounds like a bunch of politicians. But I bet they've done a lot more stuff they never admitted to. So, if it is politicians, I'd dispute the figures as being rounded down. Antony the Anarchist

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:20:53 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: JW Subject: What Company Is This? (OT) Message:

Joe, I got the same forward but I won't ruin this thread. Robyn

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:11:36 (GMT) From: Monmot Email: None To: JW Subject: Sounds Like Congress To Me Message:

But I hope I'm wrong

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 06:42:12 (GMT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Monmot Subject: Sounds Like Congress To Me Message:

Shucks, I thought it was the NFL

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:51:50 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Monmot Subject: Right -- Distressing, No? Message:

And these are the people who tell the rest of us what to do. Thanks, Robyn. Looks like you and I are on the same email list.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 03:05:30 (GMT) From: shifting Email: None To: JW Subject: Right -- Distressing, No? Message:

If anybody wants to see something interesting about 'our gov.' go to: www.independence.org. You'll see here a very interesting graph and info about WE THE PEOPLE. The graph opens right at the top. By the way. I am a very much new ex-premie. What a relief!!!! Thanks to this site, that is... THANKS!!!!!!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 15:59:20 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: That's the problem, JW Message:

JW: Your statement, 'And these are the people who tell the rest of us what to do' IS the whole problem. 'Acceptance' of that statement is even worse. 'They' are supposed to do what WE tell them to do! Why do we keep electing those that do what 'they' want to do, vice what the PEOPLE tell them to do? If we continue to lower-the-bar for acceptance into congress or the presidency (or any other elected office that 'represents the people'), then we get what we deserve..... the criminals, the ethically bankrupt, well...... let's put it this way.... we're electing people who don't give a damn what you think and they think they can do as they please, anytime they please, anywhere they please! I think recent events more than demonstrate this simple fact. 'They' are in office because we put them there. If we elect people that THINK we need to be ruled (vice those that do as we tell them to do), then the result is OUR responsibility! I believe in representative government with an INVOLVED electorate.... I don't need to be 'told what to do!' I'm an adult, I really do know what to do without someone telling me. :-)

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 21:56:35 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: Hi, Mike Message:

Hi Mike, I swore off the forum a couple of months ago because it was cutting into my work and such. I just lurk every now and then. But Hi, man! Good to see you again! About your idealist response to JW about how politicians are supposed to work for us, I've been reading 'A People's History Of The United States' by Howard Zinn. It pretty much raps up how much bullshit freedom and democracy is in our country. The rich look after the rich. That's what our government is about. Always has been. I most heartily recommend this book to anyone who wants an honest lesson in how it all began and came to be. America, that is.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 04:42:43 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Mike Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

Mike, Try donating a million dollars to the campaign of your congressman. Believe me, he or she will do what you want. No problem. Because we don't have publically financed elections, money determines who gets access and favors from politicians. It's as simple as that. Those of us who aren't rich people or wealthy corporations, don't get much listened to, because the candidates who have lots of cash can spend that money on negative advertising against their opponents and get re-elected. They don't need to court us because they don't need to. Plus, out of all 435 congressional seats, there are MAYBE 100 that are even competitive. The rest of the districts are so gerrymandered that one party or the other pretty much has a lock on the seat. I think in the last election, 150 congressmen ran unopposed. George W. Bush (I call him 'the shrub') has raised twice as much money as any presidential candidate in the history of the country. A very large portion of it has come from, guess who, oil companies. Think they are expecting anything in return? Let's see. Who were the biggest spenders on the 1998 campaigns and what did they get? 1. Number one was insurance companies and the republican congress KILLED HMO reform, despite it being VERY POPULAR in the country and something like 70% favored it. Who won that battle and why? One the one side you had popular support, on the other side you had MONEY. Who won? 2. Number two was telecommunications and Congress PASSED a telecommunications bill allowing large corporations to have monopolies of media in any market and also gave away a large portion of the radio and TV spectra to those very people who donated the money. I don't think this was in the national interest, but the nation wasn't donating money, so why should the congress care? 3. Number three was banks and Wall Street firms like Golman Sachs, etc., and Congress PASSED a bill deleting the Depression-era restrictions on banks being in other businesses, like investments and insurance, and allowing other financial firms to do what only banks used to be allowed to do. I also don't think that was in the national interest, but it was certainly in the interests of the banks. These are just a few examples of who really runs this country. And who really has a chance against Bush's millions in the primaries, except that nut Forbes who can spend his own millions. Why should Bush be beholden to anyone except those who give him the money? Money is all that counts. I thought it was intersting that at least McCain says he supports campain finance reform, the only republican who does, and in the latest debate in New Hampshire, the other candidates said by cutting off soft money, he would be handing the election to the democrats. As you know, the republicans have KILLED campaign finance reform, despite people like McCain, for the past 10 years.

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Date: Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 07:33:26 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: JW Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

Joe: Because we don't have publically financed elections, money determines who gets access and favors from politicians. It's as simple as that. There are some pretty good researchers, including Larry Sabato, Thomas Mann, Norm Ornstein, and others, who don't think it's all that simple. The power here is on the side of the legislator, not the contributor. That much is clear. In fact, one reason we might end up seeing some reform is that the contributors are getting sick and tired of being extorted. Seriously. Plus, out of all 435 congressional seats, there are MAYBE 100 that are even competitive. The rest of the districts are so gerrymandered that one party or the other pretty much has a lock on the seat. I think in the last election, 150 congressmen ran unopposed. Seriously gerrymandered districts are becoming increasingly rare, as a result of recent court decisions that have ordered some of the worst cases to be remedied. Nonetheless you are right that only a small number of districts are really competitive. Gary King has proposed an 'ideology neutral' regime for redistricting, but due to the nature of geography we'd still probably end up with a high proportion of 'secure' districts. Rob Richie has been proposing a system of proportional representation, but things would have to really turn sour for that to be given serious consideration. 1. Number one was insurance companies and the republican congress KILLED HMO reform, despite it being VERY POPULAR in the country and something like 70% favored it. Who won that battle and why? One the one side you had popular support, on the other side you had MONEY. Who won? Somebody killed it. No doubt the HMOs had a lot of clout, but it really took a weasley public to make the play work. Reform may have been 'popular' in the sense that most people favored it (though frankly I haven't studied the polls on this issue), but it was really a pretty weak preference. 2. Number two was telecommunications and Congress PASSED a telecommunications bill allowing large corporations to have monopolies of media in any market and also gave away a large portion of the radio and TV spectra to those very people who donated the money. I don't think this was in the national interest, but the nation wasn't donating money, so why should the congress care? This was definitely a heist, but on the other hand it has never really been an issue that plays in Peoria. There are plenty of people willing to champion this cause, but no large segment of the population is clamboring for it. Part of the ignorance may have been engineered, but most of it is simply that people are apathetic. 3. Number three was banks and Wall Street firms like Golman Sachs, etc., and Congress PASSED a bill deleting the Depression-era restrictions on banks being in other businesses, like investments and insurance, and allowing other financial firms to do what only banks used to be allowed to do. I also don't think that was in the national interest, but it was certainly in the interests of the banks. Nearly everyone felt that the banking laws needed to be overhauled, and this legislation pretty much sailed through. I don't think it's at all clear that this was against the national interests. I'd have to hear the argument. I'm a lot more concerned about communications than the banking industry, frankly. And who really has a chance against Bush's millions in the primaries, except that nut Forbes who can spend his own millions. Why should Bush be beholden to anyone except those who give him the money? Money is all that counts. Why would Bush be beholden to those who gave him money, when they virtually had no choice? Apart from whether the money will determine the outcome of the election (which it won't in an ideological race) it is not the contributors the have power. Teddy Roosevelt got most of his contributions from the Trusts. He then turned around and broke them up. The people who run this country do so virtually by default. Someone has to, because most people don't want to. We can improve things, make them more transparent, root out corruption, and generally do our best to prepare the institutions of government and public choice for a very wild future. We are just beginning to get an idea of how wild. I'm almost afraid to talk about the implications of genetic research, tissue engineering, nuclear cell transfer, therapeutic cloning and the like. Things are not going to stay the same. --Scott

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 15:32:53 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

JW: Your point is well taken, except for two. First, '2. Number two was telecommunications and Congress PASSED a telecommunications bill allowing large corporations to have monopolies of media in any market and also gave away a large portion of the radio and TV spectra to those very people who donated the money. I don't think this was in the national interest, but the nation wasn't donating money, so why should the congress care?' The telecommunications industry had to PAY for the spectrum, it wasn't 'given' to them. The spectrum was auctioned to the highest bidder and it wasn't the 'biggies' that got most of it. Small emerging technologies cornered the majority of the spectrum and, as yet, most of it hasn't been used. The larger corporations got comparatively little of the spectrum. By the way, I don't think auctioning spectrum is in the public interest, but I wanted to set the record straight. Point number 2, 'and allowing other financial firms to do what only banks used to be allowed to do. I also don't think that was in the national interest, but it was certainly in the interests of the banks.' Permitting credit unions to do what banks do was EXACTLY what the banks DIDN'T want and they faught it to the max!..... It was certainly in MY interest to have more choices as to when and where I put my money (and the amount of interest that's paid on it). The banks LOST big time on this measure, so I'm not sure where you are coming from. Sorry, the fact that BANKS had a strangle-hold on certain services wasn't, in my opinion, in the interest of anyone other than the banks! The 'little guy' can now deal with credit unions and other institutions without belonging to some special group or other (and get much better interest payments, etc). You can't paint a bad face on this one. The unconstitutional depression-era tactics of FDR and other democrats were put to bed when they got rid of that set of statutes. Banks had a MONOPOLY on many services.... now they don't.... tell me, JW, how is this 'bad?'

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 17:12:01 (GMT) From: shifting Email: None To: JW Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

Please: Go to www. Independence.org. Open the graph by clicking on the pink letter at the very top, when you enter there. Is not a militia 'thing'; is just a guy. Oibl, who want to educate People about OUR country. Is good. Old files have lots of information. The graph is about the money We the People owe...

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 18:00:43 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: shifting Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

I can't figure out what that guy's opinion is. Something about not trusting his elected representatives, I guess because they don't agree with him on his opinions, whatever they are. Regarding the national debt. Those graphs are very misleading because the US has an economny many, many times larger than even 50 years ago. So, debt as a proporation of GDP is actually lower now that it was at other times, such as during WWII. The government is now running surpluses and paying down the debt. No matter what you think of Clinton, you have to give him credit for balancing the budget for the first time since Reagan started spending us into the poorhouse in the early 80s (under the voodoo economic theory of 'supply side economics'). It took 15 years to get us out of that mess. Also, who do you think that debt is owed to? It is primarily owed to wealthy Americans and institutions who buy treasury bonds. Increasingly, I understand, foreign money has flowed in to finance the debt.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 06:24:01 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: JW Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

Runamok responded: What's good for the brokers tends to be bad for the banks and vice-versa. Goldman-Sachs doesn't want banks competing with it. Of course the Internet changes all, anyway AND you're completely on target overall. Where do the stats about congressman actually come from, JW?

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:16:24 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Runamok Subject: The Problem in MONEY, Mike Message:

There were a lot of goodies in the banking bill for the investment firms. They loved it. They also got a reduction in capital gains taxes and they are salvating at the proposal that part of the social security trust funds can be invested in the stock market, for obvious reasons. Check out the senators on the banking committee, like Phil Gramm of Texas and see how much they have collected from banks for their campaigns. It's mindboggling. Common Cause and Ralph Nader's organization are excellent sources of information on what politicians collect what money from whom. They both have recently published reports and have for years. The current reporting laws are so lax that it's almost impossible to tell what's going on unless an organization painstakingly goes through the figures and makes some sense out of them.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 00:04:41 (GMT) From: Socrates Email: None To: Mike Subject: You are an idealist Mike Message:

Mike Your hopes for a just and virtuous democracy do not take into account general human weaknesses. By virtue of a fundamental yet idealistic tenet regarding democracy which is averse to elitism, leaders must be chosen from an inherently plebian pool of candidates. We are bound therefore to have to endure a representative percentage of our elected leaders manifesting these 'normal' human foibles, as dictated by the bell-curve. Unless we start a program for breeding virtuous young individuals for potential leadership positions, which would be elitist, paternalistic, and harkens back to the era of the Chinese Mandarins, we are stuck with these kinds of stats. Besides, the idealism you are trying to apply to democracy is no different than the that attempted by authors of communism. And that was a abyssmal oversight. No, if you want democracy then you must accept that you will be ruled by humans, not gods. Unless of course virtuous icons like yourself would take up the mantle of leadership.

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 15:47:45 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Socrates Subject: YOU missed my point entirely Message:

Soc: They (the government) aren't here to 'rule me!' They are present by the 'will of the people.' If they aren't here by that standard, then it is time to place people in office that understand the concept! Yes, they are 'human' and they will make mistakes, but the mistakes that they make should be 'our' mistakes, not their own personal mistakes. If they are doing the will of the majority, then any 'mistakes' made are our own fault and can be readily seen to be such. For some reason, it seems that many here think that the government is here to 'rule' us..... and this IS my point! There are only two reasons people think this way..... (1) they are too lazy to become involved and want someone else to 'tell' them what to do or (2) they have some kind of inferiority complex and think they need to be 'ruled' because they are too incompetent to have any say in what's happening. There are NO other reasons for believing that one must be 'ruled.' In this country, it is by the will of the governed that any goverment exists, at all. If the will of the governed isn't followed, then it is time to replace the 'governors.' Not thru any 'revolution,' but thru the ballot box. By the way, I hold the MEDIA responsible for much of this mess, because the only people they side with are democrats...... They give no real heed to others, of an independent bent. At the very least, if the government isn't doing 'our bidding,' then each member should know that they will have a VERY short stay in DC. Sooner or later, the message would get thru.

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 07:49:27 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: freewheeling@bigfoot.com To: Mike Subject: YOU missed my point entirely Message:

Mike: Hi. Unless you are Mike A. I don't believe we have met. I wanted to offer a few thoughts on this topic, since I have studied it a little. Re: For some reason, it seems that many here think that the government is here to 'rule' us..... and this IS my point! There are only two reasons people think this way..... I think it is correct to say that we don't live under a dictatorship where rulers govern by fiat, or according to their own personal whims. Neither, however, do we live in a direct democracy. The political philosopher, Schumpeter, says that a modern representative democracy is a 'contest between elites for the approval of the public.' However, it is incorrect to say that we are not 'ruled.' What is important is the legitimacy of the 'right to rule.' This legitimacy is determined by elections, so any caveate we have about the legitimacy must be a reflection of the 'fairness' of the election process. That's a long story, but suffice it to say that the process is not unbiased. So, we are 'ruled' by individuals of our choosing, but we give them the right to make decisions that are binding on us within the constraints of the constitution, and protected by the balance of powers within the governmental structure. Re: In this country, it is by the will of the governed that any goverment exists, at all. If the will of the governed isn't followed, then it is time to replace the 'governors.' Not thru any 'revolution,' but thru the ballot box. I have reservations only about the first sentence. There are problems with the idea that you and I, let alone future generations, have given our consent to the foundational rules of the governmental structure, commonly called the 'Constitution.' Paul Kahn has written an excellent book that talks about this problem. Very complicated, but the final verdict of Kahn is that although it is theoretically possible to have a system of government to which everyone gives their ongoing consent, it would be impossible to put it into practice. Pretty harsh. It may be the best of all possible worlds but it falls short of the ideal of the founders. I guess the important question is: by how far do we miss the mark? --Scott

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 20:09:46 (GMT) From: AKA Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: There you are! Message:

Hi Scot, Sorry I missed you at the program last week. I see you are up to your tricks again. Keep up the good work. I'll post you details of the next Planning meeting in the next few days as soon as they are approved Love to the trouble and strife. AKA

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 19:32:25 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Yup, it's me Message:

Hi Scott! I think we would come alot closer to 'the mark,' if we elected people with some integrity and promptly ousted those that proved to be otherwise. In this the electorate should show no mercy, whatsoever. My time in the military was dictated by the simple fact that I was in the military 24/7. Any personal and/or professional action that could reflect badly upon the military was reason for a courts-martial (no matter what time of day, on or off-duty). I know that I've said this before, but it bares repeating: I think our 'elected government employees' should be held to the same standard. Not necessarily a court appearance, but immediate recall would be appropriate. If they can't handle that pressure (which would seem to indicate that they don't even have the self-control of an army private), then they shouldn't run for office. Like I said, I did it for 22 years and it was no major strain, so why can't they? 'Disobeying' an 'order' from the electorate should have no less consequences to their collective careers in government than my disobeying the orders of the president! AND, it should be just as swift IMHO! What am I saying? WE expect NOTHING from these guys, so nothing is what we will continue to get if all we do is sit around and wring our hands and do nothing to fix it! I think the years have shown us that 'talking' about our goverment in a negative fashion and feeling negative about our goverment and saying, 'it's hopeless' have done absolutely nothing to fix the problem. If we want them to listen, then we have to make them listen with the ballot box..... a 25 percent voter turnout is disgraceful!

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Date: Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 03:19:16 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: freewheeling@bigfoot.com To: Mike Subject: Really? Message:

Mike: Seriously, you're Mike A.? OK, what's 'the QP?' (Just checking.) Anyhow, you've proposed a whole theory of government and some parts of the theory conflict with others. I'll get into it if you're actually interested, but otherwise just accept what I said as my two cents. BTW, you might be able to share with me what the heck AKA is talking about??? I have this vague impression that he thinks I discuss politics because I want to distract him, and others, from discussing Maharaji... rather than because I'm a political scientist. That's pretty thought provoking. AKA, if you want to know what I think of Maharaji there's volumes of material in the archives. I wasn't aware there was a party line. Things seem to have changed. --Scott

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Date: Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 19:28:39 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: QP Message:

Wow, Scott! Aren't we suspicious..... he he he. QP=Quality Pie... the place we drank an awful lot of coffee together!!!! he he he. By the way, I can still sing the QP song that was written especially for us, but it's hard to write some of the words that were used (if you remember what I mean) Now that we've 'blown' that particular password, the next one will be, 'how many people in the car were doing pranam and where?' NO, NO... don't respond with an answer, it's OUR secret for any future time we may need a challenge/response authentification system.... he he he :-) Nah, we don't have to get into it (government stuff) and I have no idea what AKA is talking about. I find the political discussions to be a nice diversion, from time to time.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 22:09:03 (GMT) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Mike Subject: Soap Box climbing Message:

I live in CA, we have about 38M people, forget national we elect I think 50 sentators, if one does the math you can see they don't have time for any of us. We had a lobbist talk to one of our trade associations awhile back and he pointed out one p[iece of legeslation that he was involved with a few years ago. He went to the state senators office and asked him how he was going to vote, the senator opened the file and he had one letter from a 'constituent', thats the way he voted. I think now that the population has grown so much in the last 200 years the 435 congressmen and the 100 senators don't have time to talk to 500000 of the people they represent so the system is failing for other reasons but part of it is growth related, vote em out if you don't like em, vote out if you do, term limits would be good. and shorten the election to 6 or 8 weeks, we don't need 2 year campagans

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:59:13 (GMT) From: Monmot Email: None To: JW Subject: And worse... Message:

incarcerate you if you don't do what they tell you to do. Bring back the good ole days of Wilbur Mills and the Argentina Firecracker.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 00:56:09 (GMT) From: Powerman Email: None To: JW Subject: What Company Is This? (OT) Message:

That would be La Cosa Nostra

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:12:07 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Powerman Subject: What Company Is This? (OT) Message:

JW responded: Close, but no.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 01:17:57 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: JW Subject: Tyson Poultry? NT Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 05:34:54 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: gerry Subject: The Catholic Church NT Message:

adsf

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:20:47 (GMT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: Roger Subject: Take me out of the 'Best Of' Message:

Roger, I was just over at your House of Dick, and couldn't help notice that I was in the 'Best Of' section. If this is the best I've posted on this site then I've really been wasting my time here. It's some piece of crap about protesting the posting of a letter. I even called Jean-Michel an asshole, and I actually like the guy now. I've posted better stuff than that here haven't I? I had better stuff than this! Please delete those posts form the 'Best Of' and save them for a future 'Worst Of' section. Dep

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:52:21 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Don't worry Dog Message:

Dog, Do not question the judgement of the Mighty Drek. Your perception is warped, as you are a cult victim. What do you know about how the free chuckle? But don't worry Dog, inside you is a free spirit waiting to get out. As soon as you fully mature, you'll see how you've been fooling yourself all these years. (I hope you're not still waiting for a thousand years of peace by the way.) Anyway Dog, wherever you are, here's a little song I penned to cheer you up. Hum along and you'll soon forget about the nasty old House of Drek. God is snot and snot is God snot is truth and truth is peace and we could do with some today. If you've really been trying, to bring some snot and peace into your life, Guru Maharaji has the knowledge to take you to the mucus in the light. Anth the Runny Nose.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 14:31:32 (GMT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: AJW Subject: Don't worry Dog Message:

God is snot and snot is God snot is truth and truth is peace and we could do with some today. If you've really been trying, to bring some snot and peace into your life, Guru Maharaji has the knowledge to take you to the mucus in the light. Anth the Runny Nose. --------------------------- AJ, Absolutely brilliant! Have you thought of having this published? Rumi has got nothing on you. Dep

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 16:04:39 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Rumi Message:

Wasn't Rumi the guy who could only spew his supposedly god-conscious stuff while spinning himself around a pole? Why hasn't M taught this technique? Yes, that's what we're missing..... the fifth technique (M's saving it for later)..... DIZZINESS!

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 04:26:41 (GMT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: Mike Subject: Rumi Message:

His supposedly god-conscious stuff???? His supposedly god-conscious stuff???? Rumi is one of the greatest men who ever lived. Muslims rank his poetry almost on par with the Koran. I don't know what to say when I read posts like yours. I suppose you think Shakespeare is crap too? Like I care what you think. Dep

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:46:46 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Rumi Message:

Dog, It depends which translation you read. Some are crap. Anth the Recepticle of Poetry.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 22:24:48 (GMT) From: You and Mike... Email: None To: AJW Subject: are complete and utter jokes! Message:

It is truly awesome! That arses like you would pass judgement on a man like Rumi is a sign of the muck from where you were spawned. It just shows how meaningless your opinions are about just about anything. And what's really funny is how clever you (especially you) think you are as you courageously slap each other on your backsides. Makes sense though: Fools seek the company of other fools because no one else will pay them any heed. Et voila: may I present ex-premie.org. So what are you Anth, the king of the fools? Or just Anth the bleeding idiot.

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 16:00:21 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: With your own words! Message:

Dep: Quoting you, 'Fools seek the company of other fools because no one else will pay them any heed.' Well, that speaks to every premie and every member of every religion in the world! Think about what you said, in the earlier post to me, in the light of atheism! In that case, Rumi is a deluded, self-hypnotized fool spinning around a pole, thinking that 'dizziness' is somehow a spiritual experience. The fact that he wrote 'love poems' doesn't prove anything. Heck, I've read better poetry written by and to people who were in love with real people! I suspect that if YOU were really in love with someone, you could probably do as well or better than Rumi ever did, too. People in love can wax pretty poetic, can they not? The shelves in most bookstores bare this one out in spades! Nope, Shakespeare is good stuff. He wrote about the real world.... not some non-existent la-la land. Very entertaining, too! Give me a good book concerning the workings of molecular biology or the cosmos..... now THAT's REAL poetry!

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 19:11:18 (GMT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: Mike Subject: With your own words! Message:

Mike, I never said 'Fools seek the company of other fools because no one else will pay them any heed.' That was someone else. And I'm agnostic not athiest. If you don't like religion that's fine, neither do I. I think of myself as a spiritual person not a religious one. You say, 'Rumi is a deluded, self-hypnotized fool spinning around a pole, thinking that 'dizziness' is somehow a spiritual experience.' I disagree. He meditated as well as danced, and his Master was Shams of Tabriz. Giving your all to a preson can be dangerous because people change. Witness the world of divirce. Falling in love with the energy within which some call Soul, Tao, Christ, Buddha Nature, God, the Spirit yada yada, is a little safer and a lot more secure. That never changes. In my opinion Shakespeare was a deeply spiritual man who believed in a higher power. He just didn't believe in dogma. Dep

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 12:50:38 (GMT) From: Des Perao Email: None To: The Cosmos Subject: The Master who Danced! Message:

What a dream. A master who dances! Many of us know how hard it is to get M up and rocking. Ley's face it, there's not a lot of rythym there. Des

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 13:06:51 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: AJW Subject: AJW you crack me up! Message:

Dear Anth, I think I heard that the German Willie K. My old boyfriend and musician, may come back to life. If he does you should audition to join the band! :) Love ya, Robyn laughing already today!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 19:16:43 (GMT) From: corvuscorax Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:00:29 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: corvuscorax Subject: Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] Message:

Dear Jamie, I couldn't remember his last name! Here I was his woman and how quickly I forgot his name! I just remembered though it was Willie Krantz, a figment of Nigel's colorful imagination and a premie musician! Love, Bruce :)

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Date: Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 14:05:46 (GMT) From: corvuscorax Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] Message:

Robyn, Please excuse an obscure pun, that you missed. I was being flip about a teutonic version of Willie Nelson. As always, you answer sweetly. Jamie ------------------

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 01:20:01 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: corvuscorax Subject: Is that Willie Knejlson? [nt] Message:

Dear Jamie, Oh. :) I am no country music fan! Love, Robyn

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 05:37:30 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Deputy Dog Subject: Too late - carved in stone Message:

Sorry, DD, but the ***Best*** is carved in stone. I'm using a RAID 5 array of Bedrock Inc. 9 gig Flinstone 2000 drives and once the data goes on it doesn't come off. Heck, DD, stop being so humble. It was a great post.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:30:52 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Do you really love me ???????? Message:

At least someone loves me here ....... Prove it!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:06:00 (GMT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Do you really love me ???????? Message:

Deputy Dog responded: J-M, Il y a une difference entre 'tu me plait' et 'je t'aime.' I said like, and I don't have to prove it. I like some of the articles you post and most of your ideas. You are one of the exes who still thinks there is a place for meditation and I sense that you are 'optimiste.' In my humble opinion most exes are whiners and cynics. C'est pour ca que j'ai change mon opinion. Dep

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:21:08 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Deputy Dog Subject: Trying to figure out Message:

How can you like Rawat's enemy????? Don't you feel I'm a threat for your guru and your faith? Do you like my website?

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 16:44:21 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: Everyone Subject: Time Zones and Email Message:

To keep Robyn out of 'math twilight zone', I've revised the scripts so that everyone will see times (including the current time) displayed in their own local time. The conversion requires that you have a browser capable of handling Javascript, and that it is enabled in your browser settings. For those who don't have Javascript working, the times will appear in Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). The accuracy of the conversion is dependant on your computer being set to display time in your actual time zone. The adjustment to Daylight Savings Time (Summer Time) is handled by your computer, not by the forum. Also, my email address has changed. I'm having everything that is addressed to brian@ex-premie.org forwarded to my new address: brian@tigerriver.com. But I would like to phase out the old address. Please update your address books (for those who write to me, of course [grin] ). If anyone is having any problems with their browser not handling the time conversions, write to me at my new email address. Or regarding any other REAL forum bugs, for that matter. We'll be turning the site over to someone else soon (hope, hope, hope...), but I'll be around banging on code under the hood.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 19:44:52 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Brian Subject: Time Zones and Email Message:

Wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into this. I can see already, from home on my sick Mac (not to mention my flu) how much better this is than the other software. You are great. Thanks.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:18:06 (GMT) From: Monmot Email: None To: Selene Subject: I Second That Emotion Message:

Dear Brian: I second Selene's thanks to you. I appreciate all the hard work you've put into this Forum; you've done a great job. M

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 12:59:56 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Monmot Subject: I thirdThat Emotion Message:

Yes Brian, Thanks a lot for all the stuff you've been doing quietly behind the scenes. It's very much appreciated. I still remember how my heart used to beat fast when I first discovered Ex-premie.org. It really was the door out of a blind alley I'd been stuck up for 25 years. Like in one of those computer games, when you can't get to the next level. Suddenly, under a leaf on the floor, there's the golden key. The lock's oiled, the door opens and there's the road to freedom. Well done Brian (and Katie) and thanks alot. Anth the Saved by the Internet

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 13:49:00 (GMT) From: Charlie Email: None To: AJW Subject: The Golden Key? Message:

Anth, that likeness of Ex-Premie.org to a golden key hidden under a leaf is perhaps a bit too romantic for me. If you're into playing computer games and you do get stuck on a level there are these 'Cheat Websites' where you can get tips or even a complete walkthrough to help you out. My son is into getting to the end too soon but I on the whole think the game is ruined. However Haharaji's game is stacked. There are deliberate snaggs in his 'software', nobody is supposed to get to the end or find out the mystery. He just wants you to keep buying the next lousy upgrade. Charlie

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 14:01:58 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Charlie Subject: The Golden Coup? Message:

Okay Charlie, How about, 'It's like, you're the dictator of a powerful country. You hear there's a plot amongst Air Force officers to oust you. You round up every officer over Flight Lt, a total of 1200, and begin torturing them until they confess or die. 1199, die, and finally, on the last prisoner, he tells you what the plans are and where the bomb is hidden.' Flight Sergeant Anth the Un-romantic

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:04:47 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: AJW Subject: The Golden Coup? Message:

Or maybe it's like a bar and M is the bar tender passing out free drinks and then when you are drunk and getting a squeezy stomach he won't let you out and tells you to just ignore your tummy.... Well maybe not. ;) Robyn

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 09:43:02 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Robyn Subject: ...and then... Message:

Hi Robyn, ...and six months later, you're seen outside the bar, in dirty rags, smelling of methylated spirits, begging and handing out Ex-premie.org cards. And by then all the premies will be god realised souls, making millions with their magical powers, and it'll be too late for the likes of us. Anth the Broken into a Thousand Pieces.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 17:56:40 (GMT) From: Charlie Email: None To: AJW Subject: The Golden Coup? Message:

Now that's more like it!!!

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 16:47:35 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Brian Subject: Time Zones and Email Message:

Hey honey, Well shit, I never expected this! Thanks! Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:06:52 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: Robyn Subject: Hmmm Message:

Well, for whatever reason the message date isn't printing on the Read Message form in Navagator 3.x anyway. Must have to do with the table... I'll see if I can figure out a workaround.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:27:05 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Brian Subject: Hmmm Message:

Dear Brian, Just thought I'd tell you I've had trouble with Netscape here at work and at home since the new year. I can get into the forums or my email but then it won't open anything, posts or emails when I click on them. I can right click and click on open in a new window but when I tried to post from that screen it wouldn't let me. I am thinking I'll have to down load a newer version if there is one or wait until there is one. Thanks agan for the time thing. :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:07:40 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: Robyn Subject: Hmmm Message:

I am thinking I'll have to down load a newer version if there is one or wait until there is one. That's one way to fix it. Another way is to just quit yer job, of course :) Anywhoo, Netscape 3.x is now showing the message dates correctly.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:26:01 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Brian Subject: Hmmm Message:

Hey Brain, You've got me quitting my job and some others have me moving to England AND Central America! How can you be in 2 places at once when you're not anywhere at all! :) Sounds like I'm in for some BIG changes! GREAT!!!!!!!! Nice chatting with you today dear, it's been awhile. Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:19:02 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Brian Subject: Thanks and a small request Message:

Thanks from me, too, for all your hard work, Brian. I love this frames technology you have invented. But could you customize mine so that holographic faces of the posters are next to each post and it's animated so that it looks like they are talking? Love, Helen

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 23:42:39 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Helen Subject: Thanks and a small request Message:

That is funny. Thanks Helen. Working at my job with faculty types, I find it especially amusing.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:44:18 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: Helen Subject: Thanks and a small request Message:

I love this frames technology you have invented. But could you customize mine so that holographic faces of the posters are next to each post and it's animated so that it looks like they are talking? No problem, Helen. Just click on the 'X' in the top right-hand corner of your screen. (muttering): 'damn old women outa be locked up... '

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:33:35 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Brian Subject: The X thing doesn't work Message:

Watch out with that 'old' thang there partner! Katie says you're eligible for a subscription discount to 'Modern Maturity' Magazine pretty damn soon there! Me and her just might go out carousing the town when you and Gary are old geezers rockin' on the front porch so watch your mouth, Mister!

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:26:55 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Helen Subject: Thanks and a small request Message:

Dear Helen, I bet you'll have that by morning!!! :) I guess I didn't say this out right Brian but I have always appreciated all you and some others have done to keep things going and this forum is just part of the bigger picture of your efforts on our behalf. Thanks. Helen, I was just thinking, when I was ready some posts from Deputy Dog, that I could picture the little dog cartoon talking, saying what was in the post. Love, Robyn

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 18:51:09 (GMT) From: Christopher Email: None To: Robyn Subject: What type of breed is he? (nt) Message:

What type of breed is he? (nt)

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:07:05 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Christopher Subject: What type of breed is he? (nt) Message:

Deputy Dog is a little brown and white spotted dog, short haired, if I remember correctly! I use to watch it MANY years ago as a child.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:37:38 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Please publish my Journey/here Message:

Dear premies, ex's and the curious, If we could just look with wonder and acceptance at whatever differences we have with other human beings and see them as 'the miracle of life expressing itself', then the people of the world would all be much happier and more peaceful!We might feel more free to help each other with our human needs, regardless of our particular faith or lack of it! I usually choose to avoid arguments that get too mean and nasty at the forum site, or anywhere. I usually choose to avoid arguing all together, if I can help it. My first nine years were ones with lots of loud arguments!) If I can't get through to someone,I take it to a higher authority, which may be the supervisor of a teacher at my son's school, or to the quiet of my own inner counsel. I've been gone from this 'place' called www.ex-remie.org for quite awhile, mostly because I can easily spend waaay more time than I really want to spend sitting on my butt in front of a computer! (It makes my neck ache and I type slowly!) I am known (to myself and some others) to be prone to extreme behavior, lose track of time, and get off balance physically! I will take periodic leaves from posting many times, but I hope you will contact me if you want to 'talk'. I also am at a site for recent ex's which is flame-free and protected by password. I waited quite awhile to write my Journey. Today is January 5th, 2000 and I will be 49 years old on Jan. 9th! I have a pretty bizarre story of how I came to Knowledge, but it is ex-rated, so I'm only sharing it with people I choose to (privately!)I submit to you today, the way I feel today about my premie and ex experience. I qualify to be in the recent ex forum because I only embraced the fact that I was an ex-premie about spring of 1998! There were many things about it that troubled me, but the Forum helped me become more clear. I go deprogrammed, sort of. Ironically, I was looking for a website on Maharaji when we first go the internet at home! Maybe it is part of the Grand Overall Design that we leave our dependence on Maharaji and our belief system behind, and just maybe Maharaji is in on it and WE ex's are the ones who realized the Knowledge!!! Hee Hee Hee! God is laughing! I received K in Portland on July 4th, 1972 from Mahatma Rajeshwaranand. I left my first husband a month after I got initiated, and in '75 married another premie when I was 8 months pregnant with my second son. (We had two sons and divorced in '87. Now I am married with a fourth son, who was born in '88. We are a happy family, I'm pleased to say!) I was a housemother in about three places from '72 to '74. I would have joined the ashram right away had they let me join with a child! I was very involved in a large but close-knit community of premies for many years. I am happy to have known many wonderful people from the community, and I still love many of you, or them! I respect your right to believe and /or practice whatever turns you on, as long as it does no harm to anyone else. That is a much debated subject on the Forum and in our lives: What does no harm? How much can we blame others for our beliefs or actions, and how much responsibility do you have for your own experience? And, if you do blame someone for your pain or confusion, then what? How do you heal it? How do you live your own life in such a way that YOU do no harm? I still visit the Forum. I'm grateful that I can dialogue with people who have shared some history and understanding. I can express myself as much as I am willing and able... even if I don't want to be 'god-less', and even if I don't hate other people that it may be popular to hate: like premies and Maharaji, or people who enjoy flaming me or others. I don't even hate people who have really hurt me in the past, by violating my body or betraying my trust. (I have a history of sexual abuse. I shared some of that story in '98 at the Forum when I spoke about the healing process for me.) And if someone wants to flame me, I'll just give them some gas and leave the room! Have you ever experienced someone lighting a fart? Thanks to my first husband, I have! It's a nice blue flame! Just like a childrens' book title: Everybody Poops!, even if it is on a golden toilet! Everybody must live until they die... and then maybe live again or in another dimension or become food for worms or ashes to ashes, dust to dust... As Maharaji said once upon being asked what happens when you die: 'Die and see!' Death of our bodies will come to all of us, regardless if we are ready! Personally, I am not afraid. I have nurtured an acceptance and awareness of Death: I have volunteered for 2 years with Hospice and with grieving children. It is our human challenge to be fearless while we live and to love eachother as (we may believe) GOD would. I believe that God does not act in human lives except through each human by thier willingness to follow their intuition and conscience. That's been reason for me to sometimes feel angry at God for putting that power in the hands of fearful, ignorant and inexperienced human beings! People are just people. We all have the struggles of sustaining our bodies and finding love and companionship and meaning and satisfaction in our work and in our play. We are all made of the same stuff that is uniquely expressed through our personalities and bodies and creative endeavors. How wonderful! I have seen and known magic. Life is the 'magic' that sparkles and moves and goes into all places! Enjoy your life and the diversity of its expression of itself! I (and you and each of us)have a very different journey than anyone else has. It is totally our opportunity and choice to find my our own way and to be reclusive or effusive about sharing our experiences. I am soooo grateful and great-ful to be free of the bondage and repression to which I submitted myself while I believed the general premie party line. I take responsibility for my part of it, but I also had the questionable help of all of the impressionable and trusting premies that I surrounded myself with (and a few other mean ones on an ego trip) for many years (and I loved many of them/you!) I, along with you, fed and swallowed and deficated a lot of bullshit along with the nectar! It really was, and I suppose still is...frequently Maharaji's message that what you seek is inside of YOU. I just don't understand why he continues to seem to want folks to look to him for the answer! If he really wanted to spread the Knowledge over the whole world, it could be like a chain letter and spread like wildfire if he told everyone who experienced it and valued it to share it directly with everyone they know who was interested!!! Sort of like in the old days when Mahatmas held massive knowledge sessions. I know some of you would want to quote, as I did once or twice: the parable of 'The sower and the seed' from the bible, and, 'Cast not your Pearls before swine!' He used to say, 'You are not getting ME! You are getting the Knowledge.' Add to that an agya (divine order to his devotees) to reach out and help each other, meaning everyone you can, and that would be moving in the right direction! I might not have gone away had we continued to do together some of the human service that once inspired our community to selfless (and fun) service! Remember when he said 'Try it you'll like it!' and later,'If you don't like it, leave it!' And still later,something like: 'If you don't practice it, it will rot in you like a truck full of vegetables.' I know that isn't true because I've had ample time not to practice it and nothing has rotted! It's true some of us liked it...except, unfortunately 'IT' comes as a package deal with some stuff most of us would rather not eat or smell! It's basically become a religion, including: heirarchies, aaaand lots of judgement of the quality and quantity of your practice of meditation, your service and devotion...boxes and measuring sticks all over again! And, speaking of religion:it is based on techniques from many more sources than 'the divine lineage' of Maharaji's family! I am FREE to be myself! I've always had that freedom, but I had to relearn that I had it. I get to choose now, more than ever before, what I will experience, because how and what I think creates the experience I have. Many people can experience the same thing but have totally different perceptions and reactions. I still need to quiet my mind enough to hear an inner 'voice', but that is more easy for me to do now than it ever was when I 'practiced THE KNOWLEDGE'!!! It was like shedding a skin, when I first was adjusting my perspective and 'becoming an ex-premie'. I suffered grief at the loss of my illusions. I am, in some ways, still a premie...if you define it generally as a 'lover'. All the love I ever felt came from inside me...it was my experience. Others, including Maharaji, were like mirrors that bounced back the love that came out of me, and I often thought I got the love from them! I even still feel some fondness for Maharaji, I just think he is a bit deluded and wrong about how he is going about his mission. I have no doubt that he believes in what he is doing. Everyone is entitled to make their own mistakes, leaders and followers alike! Maharaji once said: this is not a religion, and I believed him, as did you and most everybody else who got involved. Who needs another religion when most of the wars of the world are fought in the name of someone somebody decided to call God! But all us premies made it one, especially him! I appreciate the fact that I experienced a capacity for loving inside of me that was more profound than ever I'd known before I worshiped him. It was wonderful to believe in a Perfect Master, a divine human being who manifests physically and gives us all the love and power of creation! But the perfection and the love is, and always was in me (and YOU). It would have found its way into my experience and awareness whether or not I received the big K from the big M!!! Love, Carol PS This summer of 2000, I'm hostessing a reunion of the premie community of approximately 25 years ago, give or take a few years. So spread the word and get in touch with me! I will set a date soon!This is to honor the human connection we shared and to have a good time...no flaming allowed!

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Date: Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 19:19:03 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: carol Subject: It's now online Message:

I found your Journeys entry in the site mail yesterday and put it online today. Thanks for the contribution, Carol. If we can work out the schedule, we'd love to come to your llama roast next summer. [grin] But if we miss it, we'll stop in and see you when we get out there next year sometime.

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 08:31:08 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: Brian Subject: Great, but if you come... Message:

don't even think of roasting the llamas or even the chickens! I think it will be vegetarian for old times sake! Stop by another time if you want meat! I'd like to meet! Carol

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:59:31 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: carol Subject: Please publish my Journey/here Message:

Thanks Carol. You and I should find a way to merge our brain chemistry - just kidding; but think of it! I'd be nicer and you wouldn't be accused of giving satsang. I never published a journey entry. Too chicken shit to do it. So I admire you for coming here and showing yourself. Don't let them bully you ( I know you won't) I'm scared of llamas though, so if I come will I have to share food with them and stuff?

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 08:48:35 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: Selene Subject: Scared??? Message:

LLamas have eyes on the sides of there heads so they can better see a predator like you and I who have eyes facing forward and might eat them. They are strict vegetarians! They have no top teeth! To make them comfortable near you, you should'nt stare, but look sort of sideways, and don't try to touch them, but slowly put your face near and blow gently and you might get a llama kiss as they smell your breath! There have very obvious body language when they're are about to spit, so you have a warning. They usually only spit at eachother if they fight over food! How could you be scared of the sweet funny guys! Had a bad encounter? If you do get their spit on you, it smells like a truck full of rotting vegies! carol

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 23:10:10 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: carol Subject: Scared??? Message:

Dear Carol, Before and during the time I was a premie I worked at a zoo and there were llamas in the petting area. I thought they were great. I never saw one spit but the camel spit a huge luggy right in Jessica's (my daughter) father's face. God I felt bad for him! Love, Robyn

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 16:51:55 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: carol Subject: rotting vegies Message:

Well we ex's know about those tons of rotting vegetables. we're gonna have to get used to em, getting them as we are from not practicing HIS Knowledge, huh?

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 16:00:07 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: carol Subject: llamas ot Message:

Hi Carol, I got stuck in the mud with my truck last month out in the country and walked up to a gated driveway to ask for some assistance. No humans were home but a whole herd of llamas came wandering up. One brave fellow came right up to me. I stood my ground and he put his face right in mine and blew a big puff of air at me It was kinda freaky, I really didn't know what to expect but it seemed friendly...

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 17:13:37 (GMT) From: michael Email: None To: carol Subject: WOW! World of Wonder.... Message:

Way to go, Carol. Don't forget to breathe dear friend.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 16:36:35 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: carol Subject: Please publish my Journey/here Message:

Thanks Carol for your heart felt story. You are such a sweetie! I respect your right to believe and /or practice whatever turns you on, as long as it does no harm to anyone else. That is a much debated subject on the Forum and in our lives: What does no harm ? Yes, this is the crux of it. In common law (my new hobby horse) The basis for all justice is these seventeen words: Do all you agree to do; do not encroach on other persons or their property. I think M violates both, very much so. Therefore he is essentially outside the law. In the olden days (I love that expression) people were free to ignore the decisions of a court arbitrated dispute. If they did, however, they were considered outside the law or 'outlaws.' They lost there own right to protection under the law and people could do to them as they pleased, including selling them into slavery or hunting them down, skinning them and eating them as they would a rabbit! Hmmmm... Maharaji stew... Nah, that would taste terrible, I'm sure.

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 08:47:21 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: gerry Subject: common law and goodnight all Message:

Gerry, before I go, you wrote 'In common law (my new hobby horse) The basis for all justice is these seventeen words: Do all you agree to do; do not encroach on other persons or their property.' Is this a book? I'd like to read it. It is a good law to live by but difficult to practice given the subjective judgement and individual perspectives and projections that we habitually fall into! It wouldn't work unless everyone told the truth, too! It is made more difficult when all we see is seen with our two eyes...it would be easier when we see with one eye! The non-dualistic eye that knows no good or bad in others and just sees everything as an expression of life and a chance to increase our love! I'd like to be seeing that way more of the time! Come on over some time pardner! Hi Ho and away I go......... Carol the cowgirl

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:39:00 (GMT) From: carol the crazed Email: None To: gerry Subject: Howdy Kimosabe! Message:

For a minute there I thought of us as outlaws!!!Pass the stew! Just kidding, I'd never want to eat him, or maybe I would...Did you read Stranger in a Strange Land? To realy know (grok) someone, you ate their body when they died!!! We are outsiders,you know...outside the parameters of premie law. I heard you premies are not supposed to come here! It will just cause you confusion! HA! Good!!!You are outlaws, too! Or spies on a mission! We are also outside the understanding of John Q Public! Some of us are probably (or undoubtedly) certifiably crazy. (Right? Michael the demented of Portland?) But please, let's have some respect for diversity and raise awareness to change the stigma attached to the mentally ill! Oops. I slipped into my Tipper Gore alter.) I really mean it, actually, so please don't take offense, any of you who identify with the 'mentally ill!' I'm glad I am who am regardless of trials and tribulations of my life and of having a few psychiatric diagnosis's. How do you spell the plural of diagnosis? Anyway the correct way to put it, is to say one has comorbidity of one dx with another.)We could do worse than identify with some of the crazy Saints of the world's history. I am, according to my psychiatrist (who I worship! No, just kidding) just possibly, manic-depressive along with ADD, Depression, Fibromyalgia, and Trichotillomania, with sensory sensitivity differences! I was, to quote her: 'a bit too effusive' at my recent appointment! I said, talking fast 'How can you be too effusive! I don't want to change it!', as I spilled my water all over my shirt!!! I was up last night, all blissed out, writing my thing here until about 4:30 in the morning; and then I jumped up out of bed, pet the cats, helped my son get moving toward his day, let the rooster of the the cat carrier in the closet (where we keep him at night so he doesn't crow all night in the henhouse) and when he let it rip with his first crow, I joined him, singing out to the neighborhood 'Oh , what a beautiful morning!' There is very good reason to believe that mental illness is largely physiological and neurological, and nothing to be ashamed of, although we might do things that aren't very nice sometimes when we are off balance. We also can do things that are wonderful! Think of Einstein, Edison, Mozart, The guy in the movie: Shine (help me Gerry, what's his name!) Saint Francis...and multiple other 'saints'. Just a bunch of crazies. One cannot have too much joy! But one can hide, repress, or deny it until it seems to disappear. But Love will have its way with us! I am certain of this! Don't repress the good you can feel and do! Love your neighbor as yourself...I heard that before! And for those of us whose orbits are eliptical....the greater the asymetry of the orbit, the farther we reach and explore. (And then come back from our quest to share it, I hope.) Gotta go see Galaxy Quest soon. I thought this morning about why I love movies and stories. If you go to (or read)enough of them you find some real gems. Among the stars of today and yesterday are many somewhat crazy creative genius's (plural?) who have the courage to take roles or write stories that are difficult or which seem risky to their careers, who change the parameters of their personal and professional lives and who can be role models to their audience. Among my favorites are Tom Hanks, Robin Williams, Liam Neeson,Bill Murray,Michael Keaton, Jeff Bridges, Dustin Hoffman, Jack Nicolson, Johnny Depp, and Jim Henson (for just a few good men); and women including: Jessica Lange, Meryl Streep, Whoopi Goldberg, Julie Andrews, Bette Midler, Sigourney Weaver, Demi Moore (rent GI Jane, talk about stretching for the role!!!). Writers, including Stephen King! Go see The Green Mile! Musicians and artists and poets and dancers and skaters...Enough of that! There are too many to name...What is YOUR gift, talent, dream that has not come into being yet????It is imperative that you dance to the music of your own drum. That's an order from the housemother! Back to the subject of outlaws: I was in a local parade when I was about 5 years old dressed like the Lone Ranger, riding a wooden horse on the back of a flat bed pick-up. I really wanted to be Tonto, and with my braids it seemed more appropriate, but the boy got to play Tonto because his dad had the truck and the horses!!!!Ain't that the way of the world!!! Dare to rebel and change the laws. It may be just what you are meant to do! Love to you from Carol, the caring, crazed, creature-loving fool (We don't just have 2 llamas. We have 7 cats, 2 parakeets, 7 hens and a rooster, 3 mice, and 2 beta fish (separated from each other by a screen so they display their flowing colors, but can't maul eachother!Hee Hee, isn't that just like me?) Gad! I just spent 1 1/2 hours here again, gotta take down the Christmas tree and clean house! (Don't worry, I'm breathing michael, I don't have to worry about or fear anything, all is well and life is good! I just have to point myself in a direction and run on automatic!)

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 14:03:08 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: carol the crazed Subject: Howdy Kimosabe! Message:

Carol Darling, do me a favour and go to bed. Don't you know by now what a trigger sleep deprivation is to mania. Is not diagnosii the plural? I am not a stranger to goodtime induced psychosis myself and have found myself up various mental 'elf culdesacs in my time. So take it easy and keep breathing in and out slowly. At least M taught you how to do that properly didn't he. Thank God for small mercies 'eh? What's the difference between an egotist and a manic? The egotist thinks he can do everything, while the manic knows he can!

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 00:09:35 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: Des Perado Subject: Howdy Kimosabe! Message:

Gee, thanks for your heartfelt concern! I am getting more sleep lately. I was more inspired than wired! Not really manic I think. Sometimes I just want to shout to the world! I truely hope something can make you feel that good. It is addicting you know, to feel good. But not in a pathological way! I am quite myself and quite sane. (My darling! Have we met? Is their some history between us or reason for your affection?) Lots of love to you! Carol Darling

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Date: Tues, Jan 11, 2000 at 06:25:41 (GMT) From: Des Perado Email: None To: carol Subject: Humble Appologies Message:

Hi Carol, My message was posted during my first visit to F5. I had spent most of the day picking messages within threads at whim. I brought your Howdy Kimosabe message up without having read your Journey. How dumb was I? I have now read it and feel priviliged to have done so. Thanks for posting it. Pleased your well,,,I get excited too. Yours sincerely, Des

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 10:49:59 (GMT) From: Diz Email: None To: carol the crazed Subject: Thanks! And Michael Valentine Message:

Hey Carol Yeah, I remember Stranger in a Strange Land. Guess I was crazy even before MJ rocked up. Ol' Michael Valentine Smith (is that right? it's been a long time) was a good cult figure, hey! More in tune with the Raj Nishis (sp?), maybe, than with MJ's more austere approach. BTW, someone told me the other day that those orange people all had to wear plastic gloves during sex?! (NB. This is pure hearsay, may have no truth to it whatsoever - have I got the right cult, even?) I wanted to thank you for your journey. And for the post you posted above. I've just used almost my last sheets of printer paper to print it off. I surely appreciate your 'people are just people' approach. I think that's the direction for me, ultimately. I know anger has its place, I know many people got hurt by the cult, me amongst them. I know it's been very important for me to know that other people understand and respect the pain I've felt. But ultimately, I do want to see that it was all part of the human drama. I'm finding that is happening increasingly as I move further and further from cult-think. And discover that life is wonderful, that love still exists, that the rotting vegies were only a threat. Don't tell anyone, but sometimes I feel like I'm kinda BLESSED - dunno by what or whom. Love to you, the Llamas, cats, birds, mice, fish, and kids. Did you ever read your kids Bette Midler's book 'Baby Divine'? Diz

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 22:52:32 (GMT) From: Carol Email: rbuce@teleport.com To: Diz Subject: Thanks! And Michael Valentine Message:

Hey, thanks! Soory I took so long to respond. Been busy with lots of good stuff! Glad we share some gladness and that feeling of blessedness wherever it comes from!!!! E-mail me from time to time! I'm outa here Kimosabe. carol

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:10:42 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: Diz Subject: Hi Diz!!! Message:

Diz: We have not seen you for a long time. Welcome back! I am very happy to read your post? How are you doing? How was your new year? I am in Ireland teaching at the law school in Cork for a few months. Much love, Marianne

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 03:39:52 (GMT) From: Deputy Dog Email: None To: Marianne Subject: You're a corker!! Message:

Deputy Dog responded: Marianne, That's where the expression corker (i.e., one that is excellent or remarkable) comes from. Have a corking good time! Dep

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Date: Sat, Jan 08, 2000 at 23:14:09 (GMT) From: Diz Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Hi Marianne Message:

Hi! Don't know if you'll get this, the thread is getting a bit old. Good to 'see' you too. How's Ireland? I'm well, New Year was fantastic, life is good. I'll try to get it together to e-mail you. Love Diz

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 19:36:21 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: carol the crazed Subject: Howdy Kimosabe! Message:

So sick I cannot type much less think so if this posts twice fuck it This Carol, is a side to you I have never seen! Are you sure you aren't me? In the night, in the dark - when things get a little blurred? Don't fret about negative reactions to your posts. I am a pro now. All you have to do to get desensitized is get XXXXX after you. Fill in the blank with the name of your choice. It's too bad it's like that.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:01:42 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: Selene Subject: Few know the depths and layers Message:

carol responded: of my persona! Sorry you are sick! I have one soul and many faces, or is it one face and many characters, or am I just a character? Goodnight! What is your time zone? I forgot. Carol

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 20:12:49 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: carol Subject: time zones Message:

Interesting question abuut my time zone. Arizona never sets their clocks back and forth like most of the country. So there is a special setting on computers for us weirdos, called Arizona Time. Usually , (I think) it's Mountain time. Right now I believe you are an hour earlier than I am. But that changes cause you guys change. Weird stuff. I guess it dates to agriculture days and AZ has too much daylight as it is! Selene the vampire.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 14:46:23 (GMT) From: Powerman Email: None To: carol Subject: Please publish my Journey/here Message:

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for the wonderful satsang. You really made my day. We really are SO special.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:41:31 (GMT) From: carol Email: rbruce@teleport.com To: Powerman Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

Glad I made your day!!! No YOU make your day!

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:28:29 (GMT) From: Powerman Email: None To: carol Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

I am Powerman. Where do you want me to come? Are we going somewhere? Aren't I spiritual enough? Perhaps if I'd changed my name to Destiny or Lazurus I'd be more impressive. Yes, I make my day. We create our own destiny and the universe provides. We can co-create our future.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 08:56:05 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

Just wondering. Do you have a need to hide your identity that you would like to share? 'Powerman' makes me think of 'Mighty Mouse'! and the themesong:Here he comes to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way (or here to stay) or something like that! Are you premie or ex or in between? Don't really care though, because I prefer to communicate with known entities! Carol the crazed needs to get some sleep...it's nearly 1:00 am

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 15:11:44 (GMT) From: Powerman Email: None To: carol Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

A 'known entity'? Where do you get this shit? You don't know half the people you're posting to. Do you think you know them better if their names are Mel or Marjorie? I'm an ex, and a wicked one at that. My boss is a premie for almost thirty years and if he knew I hated the hamster, he'd fire me. He's seen this web site. Anyway, I just loved your satsang. You're really good for the planet at this time.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:17:35 (GMT) From: carol the curious Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

I just like to know people's stories. I didn't want to take the time to look back (to get to 'know' you on the Forum) But, You are right, I haven't met more than a few people her, face to face: I met Gerry and his wife in '98, I know Mike from AZ and Scott Talkington Jones from about 1973. My old friend Michael Read has renewed contact with me by finding my white pages entry. I feel like I know many more because of our communication. I have made friends here. I can't take the time to be here very much, I take it out of sleep time recently! Some of the funniest and most interesting posts have been by people in disguise! I just couldn't do it that way. I was mona lisa for a little while at first but I outed myself. It is fun to take on other personas. About 'known entities' , I didn't think twice about using that phrase, but I got it from the ethers I guess! Or maybe Star Trek of years ago! Are you sure you'd be fired? We can't really guess the thoughts and actions of others. When you said I gave 'great satsang', I couldn't tell if you were a teasing ex or were a premie who thought I was giving praise! 'Satsang' is a premie term, right? I know we were told it means 'company of truth'. I appreciate the praise, but I don't need it. It is an honor to be able to speak of how I really feel and what I believe in a Forum where some people might understand it. I can't claim to know the 'Truth', only a slowly growing awareness of how much I love my life and the incredibly beautiful variation of the other people (and animals and rocks and plants,and so on! I've always been a bit naive or somewhat blinded to knowing how others see or understand me. But like St. Claire said in 'Brother Sun, Sister Moon' a favorite movie of mine, 'I no longer seek to be understood, I seek to understand!)But it is nice when someone does understand! Carol

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 14:40:05 (GMT) From: Powerman Email: None To: carol the curious Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

Are you sure you'd be fired? We can't really guess the thoughts and actions of others. Shit, you're right. Why not use me as a guinea pig in this case? I'll just out myself and then wait and see what happens. You'll be nice and warm and snug in your lair, and if I get booted out on the street you can always give me pearls of wisdom to get me through.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 15:38:28 (GMT) From: michael Email: None To: Powerman Subject: Who are you? Please...Come out Message:

You are right, Powerman. You know your situation and your employer better than anyone else. I hope that you can find a better employment situation. May I suggest that you try posting your resume on both monster.com and hotjobs.com? I have had good results with both of them.

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 16:24:28 (GMT) From: Powerman Email: None To: michael Subject: thank you michael (nt) Message:

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:50:32 (GMT) From: michael Email: None To: Powerman & Carol Subject: Who do ya wanta be.... Message:

Powerman must maintain his/her/its secret identity or lose good standing with S.C.H.I.S.T. (Super Concious Heroes Inspiring Spiritual Trips) and be reduced to an unchrysalised schmetterling. In which case the powers of co-creation become realized in the present and there will be no future as we know it. Hoo Ha. It would be interesting to know if Powerman is really old so and so from way back when. Whoever that is.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 06:44:07 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Everyone Subject: This one for Michael (Mickey) Message:

This is for Michael in Panama and all the other Catholics out there. RealAudio of Vatican Radio. You need to have a RealAudio player installed to get this. I assume that one needs to know Latin to make sense of this?

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 18:30:08 (GMT) From: Michael Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Er, Roger... Message:

You know I'm not a Catholic, right? I'm and Anglican...

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 20:54:55 (GMT) From: Roger Roseannadana eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Michael Subject: Nevermind... Message:

Like I said somewhere else today, sometimes I'm slow. So, that explains how you're married. Father, forgive for I have sinned...

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 05:23:29 (GMT) From: Padre Miguel Email: None To: Roger Roseannadana eDrek Subject: Nevermind... Message:

Your sins are forgiven, Mr. Drek. Ten 'Bite me, Maharaj-ji's and send all your tainted twenty dollar bills to Guru Mariachi.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 07:29:19 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Padre Miguel Subject: Gracias, Guru Mariachi Message:

I have no money to prostrate at your Holy Lotus Feet and will thereby give you the gift that keeps giving a live picture of the Panama Canal at Miraflores

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 14:10:14 (GMT) From: Michael Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Gracias, Guru Mariachi Message:

This is a neat site, but when I want to see Miraflores Locks, I go up the hill behind my house. At the top I can see Pedro Miguel Locks, then Miraflores, all the way to the Administratio Building and El Puente de Americas, which is the gate to the Pacific. I was up there yesterday, and on my way down the hill I heard some noise in the trees, so I stopped, as I often see toucans there. But yesterday I was in for a real treat: three Red-naped Tamarin monkeys were in the trees. They are little fellas! Your Guru Mariachi is much pleased with the Canal feed, but prefers la plata...

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Date: Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 08:25:33 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Michael Subject: Neat! Message:

Wow! That is so cool! Blessed be or whatever. Little red monkeys. I cannot believe that people eat monkeys. I suppose I can understand it in the way deep jungles. My sister was a missionary nurse and was somewhere in S.A. or C.A. and she ate some monkey soup or something.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 22:30:01 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Roger Roseannadana eDrek Subject: Nevermind... Message:

Dear Roger, Ok, I've had more then I can take! Roseannaroseannadanna (you missed one roseanna!) has been a name people have called me! I know you don't have the hair for it so leave it be!!! Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 07:06:08 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Roger eDrek Subject: More realaudio radio (ot) Message:

Sorry BBC fans, but I had to delete the link to BBC because the Forum software chokes on a string that long. Spoke too soon. I've don't know which link is too long in terms of the 50 char limit, but I've got to strip all the HTML off of these links. www.abc.net.au/ra/abclive.ram RADIO AUSTRALIA audio2.cri.com.cn:7070/ramgen/live.ra RADIO CHINA www.radiopacific.com/k57/24hrs.ram KGUM Agana Guam www.kbs.co.kr/real_live/kbs_rki.ram RADIO KOREA www.dwelle.de/audio/dplive.ram RADIO DEUTCHE WELLE Radio Germany www.naufm.com.pg/naufm.ram RADIO NEW GUINEA www.rnw.nl/distrib/ remove this and the spaces realaudio/assets/ram/rnnetradio.ram RADIO NETHERLANDS real.vrt.be/live.ram RADIO BELGIUM www.yle.fi/radiouutiset/finland.ram RADIO FINLAND Radio Finland Helsinki www.irib.com/Radios/MEDIAS/audio02a.ram RADIO IRAN www.medi1.com/medi1/medi1.ram RADIO MOROCCO www.rcinet.ca/realaudio/live/live.ram RCI Radio Canada International www.rci.gp/rci28.ra RADIO GUADELOUPE Point e Pit www.rte.ie/radioone.ram RADIO IRELAND www.audionet.co.nz/ranzlive.ram RADIO NEW ZEALAND www.nrk.no/radionorway/radionorway.ram RADIO NORWAY Radio Norway Oslo www.radio.cz/ram/live.ram RADIO PRAGUE Radio Czechoslovakia www.rdp.pt/internacional/rdpi.ram RADIO PORTUGAL www.ituner.com/romania/rra.ram RADIO ROMANIA rcslive.singnet.com.sg/ram/rsi_english.ram RADIO SINGAPORE www.bcc.com.tw/news.ram RADIO TAIWAN Taipei www.ippmedia.com/radio1.ram RADIO TANZANIA Dar Es Salaam 203.152.18.6/mcic/radio/ram/925.ram RADIO THAILAND Bangkok

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Date: Tues, Jan 04, 2000 at 23:42:43 (GMT) From: CBI Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Question Message:

Happy New Year everyone. A couple of premies I know seem to have an unusually strange fascination for the moon and/or the sunset. I get the feeling the moon and M are linked. Could somebody explain this phenomena to me or is it just my imagination? Thank you.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 02:25:24 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: CBI Subject: Question Message:

Dear CBI, Happy New Year to you too! Funny you mentioned M and a connection with the moon. I do not think there is but it is odd that when I was a premie and was doing LSD I had such a craving to see the moon, it was daytime. I looked at it a few times from when it was just coming out and was still light until maybe midnight when it opened up the sky from a pinhole in the center of the moon and all the night was gone, the sky was blue and M was bouncing a little blonde haired girl on his lap, their heads were thrown way back and they were laughing. They sat on a high backed overstuffed chair and they filled the sky. I am so lucky though because I didn't even think of it as darshan as some people did, I found when I started reading here. Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 13:51:46 (GMT) From: Neil Armstrong Email: None To: CBI Subject: Yes! Lunar = Lunatic. (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 09:26:11 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: CBI Subject: Wait a minute here Message:

CBI, not that I care, of course, but are you a premie or an aspirant? Why do you think that Maharaji and the moon are related? Is it your idea or something you are picking up from your premie friends? Since I am a double agent (aka Agent Fern) and have reserved seating in the PAM area of every program since 1977 I can tell you that even Maharaji would not want you to mention such a belief in public. Yes, Maharaji is the Lord of the Universe and not a leaf moves without his permission, but Maharaji wants to keep this a secret between you and him. No one else should know this - not a soul. It is for this very reason that satsang from crazy premies has been replaced by videos of Maharaji. And to further avoid possible illegal editing, tampering and morphing of Maharaji's Holy video tapes by those wishing to discredit Maharaji the only verified and permissable way to view or even see Maharaji is by attending special by-invitation-only programs at the Great Hall in the City of Oz (don't you dare look behind that curtain, now!) or by viewing a live satellite broadcast (no taping, please. And you will be punished as allowed by law) on television equipment that has either been purchased from or approved by Elan Vital. Now, isn't that better? Isn't that simple? It's just so, so beautiful, isn't it?

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Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 11:18:17 (GMT) From: CBI Email: drek.@oz.net To: Roger eDrek Subject: Wait a minute here Message:

Roger, In answer to your question I am neither. I am only new at this and I have tried unsuccessfully to get a hotmail address. I never had to look behind the curtain, I always knew what was there. Just not the fine workings of the machine. What does (nt) mean in a message and what do you need to do to read it (if there is anything to read at all). I live in Oz. complete with my red shoes. From the way your post is worded it sounds like you know where I am posting from. If so, how? My moon question came from a hunch. I like the moon myself but any connection with M diminishes my enjoyment a little. I just didn't want to have that feeling about the moon unnecessarily.

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 00:03:59 (GMT) From: Coach Email: None To: CBI Subject: Question Message:

CBI This phenomena is called 'LUNACY'. Coach

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 19:36:34 (GMT) From: Christopher Email: None To: Coach Subject: Say cheese? Message:

Strange - back in the old days, we used to sing: 'Satguru, your face is like the sun ...' There was another version too ;)

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Date: Tues, Jan 04, 2000 at 23:57:48 (GMT) From: Wadi Sue Email: None To: CBI Subject: Question Message:

Well, I think dad does moon people from time to time. And the premies are strangely fascinated by his bum. Does that count?

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Date: Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 05:57:22 (GMT) From: Mickey Moss Email: ickymickey@home.com To: Wadi Sue Subject: Question Message:

Wadi: You have a nice little bum yourself. MM

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:00:53 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Mickey Moss Subject: MM Message:

Dear IckyMickey, I LOVE that email address! :) Love, Robbin Bobbin

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 03:16:21 (GMT) From: Monmot Email: None To: Robyn Subject: MM Message:

How about Baskin Robyn? It has a certain je ne sais quoi about it...I'm being silly.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 06, 2000 at 07:13:02 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Monmot Subject: MM Message:

Dear Monmotty, ;) Yes, I like it, like Baskin in the sun!!!! How did you know me so well! :) Love, Baskin Robyn only not now, only 16 degrees! :(

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