cq -:- 250,000 bucks to you for this one ... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:17:22 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- What a bogus joke -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:05:34 (GMT)

__ G -:- 'You must choice one of these three choices' -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:17:00 (GMT)

__ __ Way -:- 'You must choice one of these three choices' -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:36:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Oh come off it, Way -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 02:47:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ G -:- 'You must choose one of these three choices' -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 23:53:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Way -:- To G -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:11:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- To Way -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:03:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- To Jerry -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:37:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Have a nice weekend -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:22:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You're such the arrogant one, aren't you, Way? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:39:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:You're such the arrogant one, aren't you, Way? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:50:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Re:You're such the arrogant one, aren't you, Way? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:40:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- To cq -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:09:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cqg (Christopher Q Giles) -:- Friends? what do you mean? (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:47:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Friends? what do you mean? (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:03:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Re:Friends? what do you mean? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:09:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Friends? what do you mean? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:47:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Pardon me while I bow out of this one ... -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 15:01:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- What is this? South Park? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:02:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- What is this? South Park? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:23:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Good. Now we're getting somewhere -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:41:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Good. Now we're getting somewhere -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:58:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cockney Pete -:- Very articulately put Way -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:27:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re:Good. Now we're getting somewhere -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:17:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Sorry, Way, I'm not with you there -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:13:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Sorry, Way, I'm not with you there -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:30:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Sorry, Way, I'm not with you there -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:25:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Actually, -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:07:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Yes but -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:13:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- ALL concepts of God are old-fashioned -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 02:18:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- ALL 'concepts' of God are old-fashioned? -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 03:07:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Cockney Pete -:- The bollocks of -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:30:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ G -:- Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 15:44:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Cockney Pete -:- Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:12:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Charlie -:- Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:51:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cock knee peat -:- Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:33:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Am I just a load of thoughts? No. -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:46:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ G -:- He who knows does not speak - or write -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 13:04:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ C P -:- He who knows does not speak - or write -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:19:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ Runamok -:- Million + prize -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 23:15:49 (GMT)

__ Way -:- Jim, here's your chance (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:31:55 (GMT)

Selene -:- free to anyone crazy enuf to want it -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:20:08 (GMT)

__ Baby are -:- you on something? nt -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:10:02 (GMT)

__ __ Selene -:- who are you? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:30:20 (GMT)

__ ham -:- free to anyone crazy enuf to want it -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 01:15:50 (GMT)

__ __ Selene -:- free to anyone crazy enuf to want it -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:33:59 (GMT)

__ OK I can take a hint! -:- I'll throw it in the dumptster with the vodka -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 01:11:23 (GMT)

__ __ eb -:- Hey Selene -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:22:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- Hey eb thanks for warming up the place -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:35:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ bb -:- Hey eb thanks for warming up the place -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 02:18:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- You are funny -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 04:21:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ cqg -:- Hey no chit-chat ... -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:56:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ eb -:- Are you talking to me? -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 01:02:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Are you talking to me? -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 15:17:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- eb is eb! -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 01:11:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- eb is eb! -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 17:25:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- and this isn't a PC joke! -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 17:48:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- and this isn't a PC joke! -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 23:08:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- isn't a PC joke ...but apparently these are (OT) -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:19:27 (GMT)

Djuro -:- God -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:06:09 (GMT)

__ Hal -:- God -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:57:40 (GMT)

__ Mike -:- Go away, Djur-on drugs! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:28:02 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- who gives a crap? M does (how much a gold WC?)nt -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:07:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ Mike -:- cq, thou dost misunderstand that last..... -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:00:46 (GMT)

__ Pauline Premie -:- How do you imagine God? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:53:59 (GMT)

__ __ Jackie -:- Pauline Go down Below -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:44:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jackie -:- Pauline Go down Below -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:51:27 (GMT)

__ __ JAckie -:- How do you imagine God? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:36:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ Pauline Premie -:- My Journey -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:16:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Hal -:- My Journey -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:38:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Remy -:- My Journey -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:02:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ Stonor -:- Excuse me Jackie .... -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:55:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Jackie -:- Excuse me Jackie .... -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:06:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Excuse me Jackie .... -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:59:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Hey Jackie! -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 23:15:18 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- Ok, leave it there.. you've had your turn (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:38:09 (GMT)

__ __ Coach -:- Ok, leave it there.. you've had your turn (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:48:25 (GMT)

__ gregg -:- Djuro -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:20:00 (GMT)

__ Ralph -:- God -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:12:03 (GMT)

__ __ Djuro -:- God -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:14:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ Mike -:- The gate to knowledge and Satguru -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:38:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- God is an overweight entity with a penchant for .. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:25:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ JB -:- God .. -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:21:04 (GMT)

Djuro -:- Hard work -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:48:39 (GMT)

__ Helen -:- That is so beautiful, man -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:25:40 (GMT)

__ __ Jackie -:- We have tried -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:46:04 (GMT)

__ Mike -:- You wouldn't know hard work if it bit you on the.. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:33:27 (GMT)

__ cq -:- Hard work finding God, when you're stuck with M... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:29:54 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- What the fuck are you talking about? (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:00:48 (GMT)

__ Bozo -:- Hard work -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:00:33 (GMT)

Djuro -:- Knowledge -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:25:57 (GMT)

__ G -:- God? The Master! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:32:58 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- Know-nothing -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:06:34 (GMT)

__ __ Mike -:- Author.... author.....!!!! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:51:10 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- If Djuro's in a cult, how does he own a computer? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:34:50 (GMT)

__ __ Djuro -:- If Djuro's in a cult, how does he own a computer? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:10:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- God knows how many!! BWA HA HAA! (nt) - sorry, Jim -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:31:30 (GMT)

Bjørn -:- Is life a dance. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:02:28 (GMT)

__ YES! In a lovely flower -:- or pearl mala and with a glorious crown! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 02:35:05 (GMT)

__ JW -:- Is life a dance. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:47:54 (GMT)

__ eb -:- Is life a dance. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:14:43 (GMT)

__ Ralph -:- Is life a dance. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:14:33 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- Bwa ha ha!-Got yer finger on the trigger? ! (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 20:15:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ Mike -:- Yes, I do.... dance, padna, dance!!!! (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 23:07:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ cq -:- You dancin'? I'm dancin' You askin'? ... (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:02:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- sure, why not? Watch yer toes, padna... (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:02:30 (GMT)

__ Monmot -:- Is life a dance. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 15:50:47 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- No! It's a... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:35:30 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- No! It's a... Nigealogy? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 20:23:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ G -:- more, more! nt -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:10:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ cq -:- more, more! -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:19:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ Stonor -:- No! It's a... Nigealogy? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:49:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ cq -:- I mean a... NigeOlogy -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:10:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Thanks cq! (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 23:13:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ G -:- THE CELIBACY TEST -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:32:14 (GMT)

__ __ Mike -:- No! It's a... addendum -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:10:54 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Is life a dance. -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:29:30 (GMT)

__ __ Ex-Mormon -:- What I see when I press on my eyeballs -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:59:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ JB -:- That was great!! nt -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:46:17 (GMT)

Jethro -:- DISCUSSION ON ANOTHER FORUM -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 09:11:57 (GMT)

__ Bro. Daryl -:- Invitation -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 10:31:55 (GMT)

__ __ JB -:- Whew, glad to be back - love you guys nt -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:36:49 (GMT)

__ __ Mike -:- Oh, jesus h christ!!!! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:17:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bro. Daryl -:- Oh, jesus h christ!!!! -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:40:07 (GMT)

__ __ Runamok -:- Brother Daryl, You're a Mormon, right? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 15:20:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bro. Daryl -:- Brother Daryl, You're a Mormon, right? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:43:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Brother Daryl, aren't you special? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:17:05 (GMT)

Recent Exes -:- Recent Exes Forum -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:02:14 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- Why won't you answer about your 'gossip policy'? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:16:16 (GMT)

__ __ Hal -:- Why won't you answer about your 'gossip policy'? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:21:20 (GMT)

__ __ Fly -:- Why won't you answer about your 'gossip policy'? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 04:54:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Good idea. Why didn't I think of that? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 04:59:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Fly -:- But!!!!!!!! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:30:35 (GMT)

Bjørn Edwardsen -:- A letter to Brian and all of you -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 00:41:36 (GMT)

__ TRI -:- Attornies Available? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:16:00 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- A request... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:21:23 (GMT)

__ Katie/Ms. K -:- A letter to Bjorn -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:57:00 (GMT)

__ __ Mr C -:- Anonymous administartor -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:07:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ Brian -:- Anonymous poster -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:40:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Joey -:- Anonymous poster -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:28:19 (GMT)

__ __ Bjørn -:- A letter to Bjorn -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:34:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ Joey -:- A letter to Bjorn -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:35:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ Way -:- Questions for Bjorn -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:30:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ not John Cleese -:- Don't mention the suicide rate (nt) [or the war] -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:37:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- what war? -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:46:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Could they mean the 'Cod War' of 1970's? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 14:19:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Could they mean the 'Cod War' of 1970's? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 15:24:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Fawlty Towers - very funny, highly recommended, -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:45:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- You're not English,G? Blimey. What are you then?nt -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:50:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- American nt -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:04:00 (GMT)

__ Mike -:- Oh boy... more legal advice -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:05:16 (GMT)

__ toby -:- A letter to Brian and all of you -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 14:59:30 (GMT)

__ JHB -:- A letter to Brian and all of you -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 13:18:59 (GMT)

__ __ Runamok -:- A letter to Brian and all of you -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 15:30:31 (GMT)

__ Brian -:- A letter to Brian and all of you -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 10:39:24 (GMT)

__ Roger eDrek™ -:- Hal, open the pod bay door for Bjørn -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 07:11:31 (GMT)

__ Hal -:- Bjorn -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:45:18 (GMT)

__ gErRy -:- Hey you fucking pedophile, you forgot me !!! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:08:06 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Proud to be the 2nd on your list! -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:29:49 (GMT)

__ SB -:- I tell YOU something -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:18:25 (GMT)

__ __ Jim -:- JESUS FUCKING CHRIST - it's 'loser', not 'looser' -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:26:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ SB -:- what do you expect: I do the best I can... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:31:01 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- You're right about one thing -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:30:11 (GMT)

__ A Premie -:- You Tell ThemBjorn -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:10:14 (GMT)

__ __ Mike -:- You and Bjorn-yesterday -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:24:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ JW -:- Get a Grip, Mike. 'A Premie' was ME.... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:45:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Brian -:- ah-HA!! -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:54:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Mike -:- I read it again and the jury's in..... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:16:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Mike -:- Damn.... you got me good! :-) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:11:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- It's Understandable -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 00:52:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Joey -:- Get a Grip, Mike. 'A Premie' was ME.... -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:16:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- I thought it was funny :) -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:35:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Hi Katie -:- Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:15:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Tami -:- hoo is apremie and hoo is a looser here? -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:12:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jackie -:- A blast from the past! -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:00:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- A blast from the past! -:- Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:08:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'fun being a big dumb blonde chick with no brain' -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 16:55:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tami -:- 'fun being a big dumb blonde chick with no brain' -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 19:02:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- unlike this blonde ... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:37:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Talk about a punchline! (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 23:19:36 (GMT)

Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:17:22 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Everyone Subject: 250,000 bucks to you for this one ... Message:

Do I get a commission for offering this one (link) to you? (found via the www.atheists.com Forum BTW) Quote: 'I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.' P.S. Don't forget to check the 'commonly asked questions about the 250,000 dollar offer' link at the end of the article.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:05:34 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: cq Subject: What a bogus joke Message:

The guy doesn't want 'scientific proof', he wants deductive certainty. Well that ain't happening. The fact is that an overwhelming majority of scientists in general and all biologists that I've ever heard of are satisfied that evolution is indisputably proven on several fronts. This guy's aware of their reasoning, he just ain't buying. Fine. I'll go with the scientists.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:17:00 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: cq Subject: 'You must choice one of these three choices' Message:

From this web page: Choices of how the observed phenomena came into being-- 1. The universe was created by God. 2. The universe always existed. 3. The universe came into being by itself by purely natural processes (known as evolution) so that no appeal to the supernatural is needed. Why are only these choices presented?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:36:44 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: G Subject: 'You must choice one of these three choices' Message:

G, Yes, the choices are not adequate. In fact, No. 3 is a muddled mess. I've always hated the way some people make a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, saying that God is supernatural. The distinction is completely meaningless. God and nature are two words describing the same process. They are not outside each other in any way. The fact that human beings can see nature and cannot see God does not mean that they are in truth mutually-exclusive. The dychotomy is a man-made falsehood.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 02:47:21 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Way Subject: Oh come off it, Way Message:

I've always hated the way some people make a distinction between the natural and the supernatural, saying that God is supernatural. The distinction is completely meaningless. God and nature are two words describing the same process. They are not outside each other in any way. The fact that human beings can see nature and cannot see God does not mean that they are in truth mutually-exclusive. The dychotomy is a man-made falsehood. And what I've always hated is the way some people blur perfectly good semantic distinctions. Are you actually saying that 'God' means 'nature' and vice versa? That's sure not how I understand the english language. What dictionary you using?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 23:53:22 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Way Subject: 'You must choose one of these three choices' Message:

Well said. I think one reason for the dychotomy is that we experience things on a 'middle level' between the small (sub-atomic) and the large (cosmic). People tend to assume that the everything operates in the same way. New scientific discoveries are showing more and more that this is not the case. Maybe the word create, the way we think of it from our level, doesn't even apply to our universe. 'God created the Universe' (Universe meaning Everything except God) might bring to mind a guy magically creating a pot out of nothing. I guess that's the way many think of it. People, being the dominant species, figure that the boss of the Universe (there must be a boss right?) must by a Person like them, but much bigger. And since males have tended to dominant, He must be a Guy. And since there was no clay to make the Universe from, He must have made it from nothing. 'The universe created itself from nothing' is similar, but without the Guy. I think they are both primitive concepts.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:11:39 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: G Subject: To G Message:

G, I especially like what you say about the word 'create.' I guess it's true that great minds think alike. (It's odd that neither Jim nor Cockney Pete seem to appreciate our insights. Oh well). Another thing I've always hated is that many many human beings seem to think that the universe is explanable from our vantage point. (You talk about this, yourself, above). I personally think the human perspective, although obviously higher than the parrakeets, for example, is not nearly high enough to take in the full view. Certain 'scientific' explanations, as the one for evolution, seem to me to be similar to an attempt to explain an automobile without looking under the hood. Science assumes that 'all that is' is accessible to the human. A faulty assumption from the get-go. As for Neo-Darwinian evolution, it's laughable that DNA duplicating mistakes and survival of the fittest are offered up as the complete, entire explanation. As if human beings could measure the whole of time and space so easily, and the beyond as well. BTW, since the three choices are not sufficient, here are a few more choices: (4) Actually, the Devil created the universe (as a joke) (5) The universe is all maya (6) Prem Pal Singh Rawat created the universe in 1958, complete with dinosaur bones. (7) The whole universe if a figment of Jim's imagination and he is actually the only human being that really exists (8) None of the above

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:03:33 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: Way Subject: To Way Message:

Another thing I've always hated is that many many human beings seem to think that the universe is explanable from our vantage point. What other vantage point is there, Way? How else can we explain the universe except from the vantage point of human consciousness? There is no other way.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:37:28 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Jerry Subject: To Jerry Message:

Jerry, Well, that's the question. Can the universe be fully explained from the present human vantage point? Perhaps from the parakeet vantage point? Perhaps from some vantage point higher than our own? One idea for you, Jerry. The human vantage point has evolved rather quickly and drastically from that of the apes, right? Perhaps in the future our vantage point will evolve further and just as dramatically and you'll get some answers. Well, I've been on line much too much today! I'm leaving, so nobody respond to me anymore all weekend!

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:22:23 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: Way Subject: Have a nice weekend Message:

The human vantage point has evolved rather quickly and drastically from that of the apes, right? Perhaps in the future our vantage point will evolve further and just as dramatically and you'll get some answers. I've actually considered this, and done a fair amount of reading on it. But don't forget about technology. It's anybody's guess just how advanced it will become and what it's vantage point will be. But, whatever, we're not parakeets, we're not a further evolved species millenium from now, and we're not computers. We're 21st century human beings, and that's the only vantage point we have to work with. It's important to understand that. That's reality.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:39:04 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Way Subject: You're such the arrogant one, aren't you, Way? Message:

Certain 'scientific' explanations, as the one for evolution, seem to me to be similar to an attempt to explain an automobile without looking under the hood. Science assumes that 'all that is' is accessible to the human. A faulty assumption from the get-go. As for Neo-Darwinian evolution, it's laughable that DNA duplicating mistakes and survival of the fittest are offered up as the complete, entire explanation. As if human beings could measure the whole of time and space so easily, and the beyond as well. So, it's Way against the 'laughable' scientific establishment, is it? Where can I place my bet?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:50:58 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Jim Subject: Re:You're such the arrogant one, aren't you, Way? Message:

Jim, No, I'm not arrogant. I'm not from Canada.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:40:14 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Way Subject: Re:You're such the arrogant one, aren't you, Way? Message:

Way, So all Canadians are arrogant, and furthermore 'cos you're not from Canada therefore you're not arrogant? This chess-game needs the board clearing. Or is this just 'Wind-up-ville'?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:09:12 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: cq Subject: To cq Message:

cq, My reference to Canadians being arrogant is tongue in cheek (of course) and is borrowed from Cockney Pete in the thread above this one. I personally don't know enough Canadians to make such a judgement but I think CP is probably being purposefully provocative. Please see my comments about arrogance below in re:Good.Now we're getting somewhere' Friends?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:47:35 (GMT) From: cqg (Christopher Q Giles) Email: quartus@postmaster.co.uk To: Way Subject: Friends? what do you mean? (nt) Message:

Friends? what do you mean? (nt)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:03:09 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: cqg (Christopher Q Giles) Subject: Re:Friends? what do you mean? (nt) Message:

cqg, I was afraid that I had offended you with my reference to Canadians. I'm hoping that you see that I meant no offense.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:09:33 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Way Subject: Re:Friends? what do you mean? Message:

Way, I'm not Canadian, though I know a few. Your post - in toto - read: Jim, No, I'm not arrogant. I'm not from Canada. so you meant no offense, huh? Over.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:47:43 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: cq Subject: Re:Friends? what do you mean? Message:

cq, Have you heard the term teasing? It's sometimes friendly. Jim and I have bantered back and forth, both on line and privately through the mail, at length. It is playful for us. I respect Jim and believe that it is mutual. You really shouldn't take offense at something that is not even directed at you, and you don't know anything about the personal dynamics involved. Perhaps I should have put in a little smiley face :)

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 15:01:03 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Way Subject: Pardon me while I bow out of this one ... Message:

...with a little (true)story: This is the transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95 Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision. Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP. Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:02:05 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Way Subject: What is this? South Park? Message:

Way, OF COURSE you're arrogant. You think that you're smarter than the scientists. No getting around it either.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:23:19 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Jim Subject: What is this? South Park? Message:

Ok, well, maybe I am. (smarter, that is)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:41:56 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Way Subject: Good. Now we're getting somewhere Message:

Think about this, Way. Your argument depends on this being true. You have to be smarter than the scientists to make it work. After all, you think you're seeing through their bad reasoning and, well, I guess you'd ahve to say, bad science as well. You know how to do science better than they do, is what it amounts to. Now maybe you're right. Maybe you're the most brilliant guy around and, irrespective of your dearth of formal training, are better able to do science, or at least to critque it, than its practicioners. Sure, it's possible. But is it likely? I'd say hardly. And if it's not the case, your thinking's all wrong. Am I missing something?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:58:50 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Jim Subject: Re:Good. Now we're getting somewhere Message:

Jim, When I say that I consider the basic assumption of science to be a falsehood, I am not denigrating the intelligence or the reasoning powers of scientists, and certainly not presenting my own as superior. And I do understand why the assumption is made. Scientists must proceed as if there are only humanly-measureable factors at work in the universe. Obviously, they have no other choice. How could they possibly objectively test anything beyond their own rational mind? But that human limitation doesn't mean that the universe is similarly limited. Newtonian science is perfectly adequate for most observable and testable phenomenon, as everyone knows. But it fails at the quantum level. To say that there is no more to the universe than observable and testable phenomenon is a claim that has no real justification. That claim is not a scientific fact. It is a philosophy. For example, the answer to how life began in the first living cell on planet might conceivable be that the 'life-force' predates matter and organizes it according to its will. However, that solution to the question is IMPOSSIBLE for science to come up with. No wonder that science rejects it. So far, the only scientific explanation to the beginning of life question is that the complexities of original DNA just somehow arose. That's a non-explanation. And the continual haggling over such issues as the oxygen content of early Earth's atmosphere does not touch the original question. Jim, we are both looking at the same world and have come up with two different world views. I look and say to myself that there MUST be something far above human intelligence. You look around and are somehow convinced that there needn't be. We're both old enough to have come up with our conclusions and are both very unlikely to change. But neither of us is in a priviledge position sufficient enough to actually decide. The charge of arrogance gets branded about quite often here, and today has certainly been no exception. But I really don't think anybody here, premie or ex-premie, is really anymore arrogant than anybody else, not even Cockney Pete or all you Canadians. We are all just sitting at a computer putting out ideas to see how others will react. Since we are not face to face, it is far safer to submit offensive and off-the-cuff remarks than if we were in actual physical contact. But, ironically, insults are veiled attempts at harmonizing. Behind the superior, condemning words is actually a wish for a meeting of the minds, so to speak. Consciousness wishes to merge with itself. This is a law of the universe that we are all manifesting, premie and confimed athiest alike. And, to use your phrase above, there's no way around it.

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:27:53 (GMT) From: Cockney Pete Email: None To: Way Subject: Very articulately put Way Message:

Way, You are one of the few on this forum who really could be of value in assisting people to break the Maha addiction. Keep posting please.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:17:32 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: Way Subject: Re:Good. Now we're getting somewhere Message:

To say that there is no more to the universe than observable and testable phenomenon is a claim that has no real justification. That claim is not a scientific fact. It is a philosophy. I partly agree with this, Way. But, if there is more to the universe than observable and testable phenomenon, how will we ever know? Also, Way, since you're an individual who keeps abreast of recent scientific findings, I'm sure that you're well aware of science's conscessions to it's limitations, particularly in the area of cognitive science, where it's obvious that the universe, as we know it, is just that, the universe as we know it, not as it necessarily IS. Science concedes to this fact. It wouldn't be very scientific not to.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:13:42 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Way Subject: Sorry, Way, I'm not with you there Message:

Way, You're trying to skirt around your earlier slagging comments on scientists by suggesting that scientists are kind of okay for what they do, the problem being that they're just not aware of science's limitations. You are; they're not. I say that still makes you sound like you think you're smarter than all of them. And why quibble? You tried that hat on yourself a few minutes ago. But you're right the term 'arrogance' gets a lot of play here. No wonder, this si a dsicussion about a spiritual cult we all were or are involved in. Spirituality's rife with arrogance. More so than science, I'd think. Any field that forces its players to subject to rationality (like science or law, let's say) is far less likely to breed unbridled arrogance than fields like religion where people can just tell themselves and each other whatever.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:30:40 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Jim Subject: Sorry, Way, I'm not with you there Message:

I think most scientists have an awareness of the limitations, and there are certainly many many scientists who are not athiests. And of course, one of the greatest scientific minds of the last century, Einstein, spoke often about the mysterious power beyond the physical.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 21:25:11 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: Way Subject: Sorry, Way, I'm not with you there Message:

And of course, one of the greatest scientific minds of the last century, Einstein, spoke often about the mysterious power beyond the physical. And of course, since Einstein spoke about the 'mysterious power', that means there's got to be one, right? I think Einstein's realm of expertise was physics, not mysterious powers. And, if you recall, Einstein also thought that quantum mechanics was bull dinkey. Believed it right up to his dying day. Now, with this new string theory, it looks like he may have been right. Wonder what these physicists are going to come up with next.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:07:52 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Actually, Message:

Come to think of it, Einstein was right. The universe is full of mystery, and those silly scientists have this idea in their heads that they can unravel that mystery. Those silly sods. They should just believe in God and be done with it. Why amaze yourself with discovery when you can jerk off with imagination?

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:13:24 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Yes but Message:

some scientists have been motivated to unravel the mysteries because of their faith in God, viewing it as a way to understand God. Faith in God doesn't always lead to a brain-dead state. I'm not talking about old-fashioned concepts of God that many people have.

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 02:18:16 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: G Subject: ALL concepts of God are old-fashioned Message:

God is an old, hoary chestnut of a tune that keeps getting redone in the pop music style of the day. But it's an old-fashioned tune for sure. Don't kid yourself. And all these new-fangled ideas of God? Well, if they drift too far from the central, core elements of the word (universal, all-powerful, all-knowing creator) then they're not God and it only confuses the hell out of everyone when people try to stretch the word out like that. No, you don't need no old man with a white beard, not anymore at least. But you DO need an omniscient creator if you want to put together a bit a God thing. Nothing else will do unless you're into mind-spinning, tail-chasing word games.

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 03:07:15 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Jim Subject: ALL 'concepts' of God are old-fashioned? Message:

Do I detect a chink in your armour Jim? Nah, I must be dreaming in technicolour!

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:30:41 (GMT) From: Cockney Pete Email: None To: G Subject: The bollocks of Message:

Someone who don't know shit. He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know. You think your puny intellect can suss the answers? Keep wasting your time.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 15:44:09 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Cockney Pete Subject: Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? Message:

Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:12:05 (GMT) From: Cockney Pete Email: None To: G Subject: Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? Message:

To try and get it through people's thick heads that you gotta feel it . Who are you ? Just a loada thoughts? Or are you the one who witnesses thought happening?If you are the witness of your thought then you are not your mind get it? Find out who you are by whatever means and realise this life is a treasure to be discovered. Through the Maha or not it don't matter.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:51:00 (GMT) From: Charlie Email: None To: Cockney Pete Subject: Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? Message:

Find out who you are by whatever means and realise this life is a treasure to be discovered. Pete - do you believe that there is a sort of super reality that we can experience, in which life makes sense and a person can be truley happy? When you say 'by whatever means' you imply that you believe there are many routes to that experience? If so do you believe anyone has acheived the 'super state of being' via Maharaj ji or perhaps Christianity or Islam? Do think it's possible to achieve this state by say, studying science or can the 'treasure' that you speak of only be attained via a belief system? Charlie

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:33:12 (GMT) From: Cock knee peat Email: None To: Charlie Subject: Then why does 'Maharaji' talk so much? Message:

Sorry Charlie, You'll have to answer your own questions. The game is over.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:46:07 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Cockney Pete Subject: Am I just a load of thoughts? No. Message:

You are making a lot of assumptions about me. What makes you think that I identify with my thoughts and have no awareness of my awareness? By the way, I still do breath meditation, including sometimes during my activities, which the Maha said NOT to do (after saying to ALWAYS do it).

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 13:04:25 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Cocky Pete Subject: He who knows does not speak - or write Message:

So if you think you know shit, why are you writing? You have a hell of a lot of arrogance. I do not claim to know the answers, nor that my intellect can suss the answers. Those are false accusations you are making. You however are implying that you do know the answers. In a post above, you wrote 'Better luck next lifetime!', implying that you know that there is reincarnation. You are contradicating your Master who said a few months ago 'Is there reincarnation? In my opinion, no.' Shame, shame on you, you bad premie. How do you know there is reincarnation? The the above post, you also implied that 'Knowledge' is not about the techniques, but then didn't say what it is about. Why, are you chicken to say it? What, are you ashamed of your Master? I'm writing this assuming you are a premie and this is not a put-on.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 16:19:33 (GMT) From: C P Email: None To: G Subject: He who knows does not speak - or write Message:

Where I was raised arrogance is the stuff of life. You lot jump all over little half wits like that juro. I'm just coming back at yer with wot you dish out to premies Right?I'm not a premie by the way just an ordinary bloke trying to live a decent life. I've got a bit of a tendency to defend the underdog against hard nuts though. You seem like a fair sort of geezer so I'm not really having a go at you. Mainly it's those lawyer creeps who think their joy in life is to intimidate others with their o so clever words.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 23:15:49 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Way Subject: Million + prize Message:

There's another prize- someone will remember the name. It's for scientific contributions to theology- I think that's roughly how it's phrased. It's about 1 Mill, 200 K, slightly higher than the Nobel Prize. I think one prize went to an MD doing research on prayer and healing. It's only been around for a little while.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:31:55 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jim, here's your chance (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:20:08 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Everyone Subject: free to anyone crazy enuf to want it Message:

Started using a briefcase I hadn't used for a some years. Found 'Drifting' a music tape bought in one of those 'gallery' rooms they had at events in the mid/late 90's. Memory serves me that the only song I could begin to stomach was 'Serenity' by Daya, and that is not saying so very much. Free to anyone that wants it. The case is cracked. Maybe the half pint bottle of Absolut I found in there as well may have cracked it. Another living testimony to how very happy and blissed out those years had made me. (sorry you can't have the Absolut. It's been properly disposed of)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:10:02 (GMT) From: Baby are Email: None To: Selene Subject: you on something? nt Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:30:20 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Baby are Subject: who are you? Message:

What IS it with people who come on here anonymously and ask that question over and over?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 01:15:50 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Selene Subject: free to anyone crazy enuf to want it Message:

'of those 'gallery' rooms they had at events in the mid/late 90's' Selene I missed all this, was it like really new age chillout rooms, or more like stalls at a hippy fayre?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:33:59 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: ham Subject: free to anyone crazy enuf to want it Message:

More like stalls at a hippie fair but very expensive. And only one line of merchandise.... one theme that is. Djuro has a hell of an explanation though hahahaha 'Maharaji doesn't sell the stuff premies do'

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 01:11:23 (GMT) From: OK I can take a hint! Email: None To: Selene Subject: I'll throw it in the dumptster with the vodka Message:

brrr... it's cold for 86 degrees.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:22:18 (GMT) From: eb Email: None To: OK I can take a hint! Subject: Hey Selene Message:

This may be the wrong market for your merchandise. I was thinking that between the two of us, we probably have enough Maharaji Memorabilia, we could set up a booth outside the upcoming events and find some buyers who would appreciate the value (ahem) of these keepsakes. For instance, I still have my 'No Chit Chat' button, a shirt that says, 'Something in your heart wants to know,' and the vinyl with 'Rock me Maharaji and Roll me Tonight.' Hey wait a minute, Roll me tonight? Isn't that like asking to be mugged? Getting back to the business at hand: I also have several posters including the pale blue 13-year old M and the one we pasted up all over town before Millenium stating that 'Guru Maharaji is Here and Now.' God, I remember how profound that seemed, especially after all that windowpane. Excuse me, I'm becoming nauseous just thinking about it... er, nevermind. eb

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:35:30 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: eb Subject: Hey eb thanks for warming up the place Message:

I was getting that ole 'iced out' feeling Selene the paranoid Ice Queen

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 02:18:43 (GMT) From: bb Email: None To: Selene Subject: Hey eb thanks for warming up the place Message:

Maybe that poster belongs on JM's website? Selene Selene the village Queen. such a fine warm huan bean.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 04:21:20 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: bb Subject: You are funny Message:

Selene rhymes with a lot of things :) well this is a new one on me. My new computer won't dial out from home after 6:30 at night. Just brought it to a friends and it is working just fine. hmmmmmm......... I'm supposed to leave my husband? Or stay off the net at night? should I flip a coin? ask my ex guru? Be the computer specialist I'm supposed to be and solve the problem?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:56:12 (GMT) From: cqg Email: quartus@postmaster.co.uk To: eb Subject: Hey no chit-chat ... Message:

Run, re that 'No Chit Chat' button, How much do you want for it?

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 01:02:57 (GMT) From: eb Email: None To: cqg Subject: Are you talking to me? Message:

I'm not Run. And how much are you willing to pay? eb (loves to chit chat)

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 15:17:28 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: eb Subject: Are you talking to me? Message:

You know, some days I think I'm really losin' it. Sorry bout that. Next I'll be seeing a PINK ELEPHANT One upon a time there was a good witch who was flying along on her broomstick, when all of a sudden, she heard a soft crying from down below. When she landed, she saw a yellow frog. Touched by his sadness, the witch asked why he was crying. 'Sniff. I'm all yellow, and none of the other frogs will let me join in all their frog games. Boo hoo.' 'Don't cry, little one.' replied the witch, and with a wave of her magic wand, the frog turned green. All happy now, the frog was checking himself over when he noticed that his penis was still yellow. He asked an embarrassed witch about this, and she told him that there were some things that she just couldn't do, but if he saw the wizard, he'd fix things up for him. So happily, the little green frog hippity-hopped along his merry way. Feeling quite happy about herself, the witch once more took to the skies, and once again, she heard some crying, but this time of a thunderous sort. So down to the ground she flew only to discover a pink elephant. The witch asked him why he was crying. 'Sniff. None of the other elephants will let me join in all their elephant games. Boo hoo.' Now if you have ever seen an elephant cry, you know it to be a pathetic looking sight, but a PINK elephant crying is just downright heart-breaking, and that is just how the witch felt. So once again, she waved her magic wand, and *POOF*, the elephant was all gray. All happy now, the elephant was checking himself all over when he noticed that his penis was still pink. He asked an embarrassed witch about this, and she told him that there were some things that she just couldn't do, but if saw the wizard, he would fix things up for him. At this point, the elephant just started wailing. 'I don't know where the wizard is,' he sobbed. 'Oh that's easy,' says the good witch. 'Just follow the yellow pricked toad'

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 01:11:21 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: eb Subject: eb is eb! Message:

She was here way before you - she was here right before me and helped me get away from the fat one big time! And one of the few female ex's to put up with me. So be nice. (sorry to embarrass you eb, I did finally have a St. Paddy day beer with the boss. no not HER!)

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 17:25:39 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Selene Subject: eb is eb! Message:

Selene, glad to hear she helped you get away from the fat one big time. If only you'd had my email address back then (thinks, but back then I didn't have an email ...?) Oh, well, here goes nuthin' (i.e. just another sick sexist joke): AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH There are three blondes stranded on an island. Suddenly a fairy appears and offers to grant each one of them one wish. The first blonde asks to be intelligent. Instantly, she is turned into a brown-haired woman and she swims off the island. The next one asks to be even more intelligent than the previous one, so instantly she is turned into a black-haired woman. The black-haired woman builds a boat and sails off the island. The third blonde asks to become even more intelligent than the previous two. The fairy turns her into a man, and he walks across the bridge.

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 17:48:06 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: everyone Subject: and this isn't a PC joke! Message:

CALLING MOM A blonde goes into a world wide message center to send a message to her mother in Poland. The man tells her it will be $300. She exclaims, 'I don't have any money, but I would do ANYTHING to get a message to my mother in Poland!' To that the man asks, 'Anything?' And the blonde says, 'Yes, anything!' With that, the man says, 'Follow me.' He walks into the next room and tells her, 'Come in and close the door.' She does. He then says, 'Take down my zipper.' She does. Then he says, 'Go ahead, take it out.' With that she takes it out and takes hold of it with both hands. The man then says, 'Well, go ahead!' She brings her mouth closer to it, and while holding it close to her lips, she says 'Hello... Mom?'

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 23:08:21 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: cq Subject: and this isn't a PC joke! Message:

oh oh cq eb is blonde you know! Notice they never have any redhead jokes? Scared of us ye be! oh yeah i forgot, I've been drilled on my hair color. Sorry, it's dark auburn. excuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzze me.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:19:27 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Selene Subject: isn't a PC joke ...but apparently these are (OT) Message:

...but apparently these are - POLITICALLY CORRECT TERMS ABOUT WOMEN She does not: GET PMS She becomes: HORMONALLY HOMICIDAL She does not have: A KILLER BODY She is: TERMINALLY ATTRACTIVE She is not: A BAD COOK She is: MICROWAVE COMPATIBLE She is not: A BAD DRIVER She is: AUTOMOTIVELY CHALLENGED She is not a: PERFECT 10 She is: NUMERICALLY SUPERIOR She is not: EASY She is: HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE She does not: HATE SPORTS ON TV She is: ATHLETICALLY BIASED She does not get: DRUNK She is: ACCIDENTALLY OVER-SERVED She is not: A GOSSIP She is a: VERBAL TERMINATOR She does not: WORK OUT TOO MUCH She is an: ABDOMINAL OVERACHIEVER She does not have: A GREAT BUTT She is: GLUTEUS TO THE MAXIMUS She is not: HOOKED ON SOAP OPERAS She is: MELODRAMATICALLY FIXATED She is not: COLD OR FRIGID She is: THERMALLY INCOMPATIBLE She does not: WEAR TOO MUCH MAKE-UP She is: COSMETICALLY OVERSATURATED She does not have: GREAT CLEAVAGE Her breasts are: CENTRALLY LOCATED She will never: GAIN WEIGHT She will become: A METABOLIC UNDERACHIEVER She is not: A SCREAMER OR MOANER She is: VOCALLY APPRECIATIVE She does not: SHAVE HER LEGS She experiences: TEMPORARY STUBBLE REDUCTION She does not: SUN BATHE She experiences: SOLAR ENHANCEMENT Her breasts will never: SAG They will: LOSE THEIR VERTICAL HOLD She does not have: BIG HAIR She is: OVERLY AEROSOLED She does not: SNORE She is: NASALLY REPETITIVE She does not: GET DRUNK She becomes: VERBALLY DYSLEXIC She does not have: BIG HOOTERS Her: CUPS RUNNETH OVER She is not: TOO SKINNY She is: SKELETALLY PROMINENT She does not: SHOP TOO MUCH She is: OVERLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO MARKETING PLOYS PS Scared of redheads? I'm almost one myself (more salt, pepper & ginger these days, though)

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:06:09 (GMT) From: Djuro Email: None To: Everyone Subject: God Message:

How do you imagine God?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:57:40 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Djuro Subject: God Message:

Wasn't M supposed to reveal the god within to you? If he really did then it's nothing to do with imagination is it? You need to watch some more videos and practice instead of pissing everyone off on this forum with your banal questions. Look that up in your dictionary!

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:28:02 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Djuro Subject: Go away, Djur-on drugs! Message:

Djuro: First, I don't imagine god! Second, why should we answer anymore questions from you? You don't bother to answer ours... Here, I'll say it like your lard and hamster would: It's like you're a fly, you know? You're like that really nasty little fly that hangs around in the outhouse, you know? It just kinda hangs out and bugs the crap out of everyone in its reach, you know? Buzzing, buzzing, buzzing, yet doing nothing useful, you know? It's kinda like this knowledge, you know? It kinda hangs out around that toilet seat that's on the front page of my web site, you know? Waiting for someone to notice it, you know? But really premies, this knowledge.... It's so so so so special..... and I'm so so so so full of sh_t, you know? Like the toilet the you keep flying around, you know? The one on my web page..... and around and around she goes, where she stops.... who gives a crap!

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:07:33 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Mike Subject: who gives a crap? M does (how much a gold WC?)nt Message:

who gives a crap? M does (how much a gold WC?)nt

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:00:46 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: cq Subject: cq, thou dost misunderstand that last..... Message:

cq: sentence. I was referring to the 'way' that M talks and what he says.... as if it had ANY content, whatsoever. Read 'er again and discover the 'joy' of M-speak! he he he :-) It REALLY WAS meant to make ex's laugh.... I guess I missed the target! Happens, sometimes... :-(

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:53:59 (GMT) From: Pauline Premie Email: None To: Djuro Subject: How do you imagine God? Message:

What a stupid question Djuro. You aren't supposed to imagine, God, you are supposed to EXPERIENCE God, by squeezing your eyeballs, sticking your thumbs in your ears, sticking your tongue back down your throat, and sitting and listening to yourself breathe. Oh, oh. I think I just revealed the techniques... Oh my god. And the DELETE button isn't working. Man, am I going to hell now. But, to tell you the truth, I to sometimes imagine God as an overweight guy with greasy hair, puffy eyes with lots of bags under them from too much alcohol, who likes to fly planes and drive around in a Rolls Royce. Yes, I think that's what god looks like.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:44:07 (GMT) From: Jackie Email: None To: Pauline Premie Subject: Pauline Go down Below Message:

Dear Pauline, There's this very clean and pure chap I'd like you to meet. He wears a suit and tie and carries a leather brief-case. I think you would like him a lot and he would be a good match for you in your silk designer outfit. You could also discuss God together and he'd fit right in at a M event. That's if you're looking. I think Joe Smith & M are quite compatable even though M doesn't mention Joe as a perfect master. Jackie

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:51:27 (GMT) From: Jackie Email: None To: Pauline Subject: Pauline Go down Below Message:

Dear Pauline, I forgot to mention his name is Daryl. In the 70's we called him brother Daryl. JAckie

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:36:08 (GMT) From: JAckie Email: None To: Pauline Premie Subject: How do you imagine God? Message:

Too Funny Pauline! Who are you anyway? Have you written your journey to enlightenment yet? Jai SAt Chit Anand JAckie

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:16:35 (GMT) From: Pauline Premie Email: None To: JAckie Subject: My Journey Message:

I would never put my 'journey' on this monmot website. I have, however, put my 'Life' on Enjoyinglife.org., where it is truly appreciated. They did censor a few things out of it, but it is essentially my 'journey' about how Maharaji found me, by his grace, and I received THAT gift. Now my journey is just about experiencing and being grateful. It is just so simple, something these confused ex-premie minds cannot seem to comprehend. By the way, remember that Maharaji said that he has 'never lost a premie' so it is only a matter of time until all these wayward premies return to their Lord. When that happens, I will be the first to welcome them back, and also gloat over them, make them feel guilty for all the terrible things they said on this website, and tell them 'I told you so.'

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:38:08 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Pauline Premie Subject: My Journey Message:

Pauline, You'll have to be a little more ridiculous. Some of these gullibillys think you are a real premie Ha Ha

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 19:02:22 (GMT) From: Remy Email: None To: Pauline Premie Subject: My Journey Message:

'They did censor a few things out of it' 'They' 'censor' 'out of it' Yeah, I'm beginning to put things together.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:55:44 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: JAckie Subject: Excuse me Jackie .... Message:

but have YOU written Your Journey yet? You may well reply that I haven't either, but I'm not an ex -anything. Even so, maybe I have something to contribute - don't you? before demanding it of others? PS: if you haven't been following lately, I think PP is an ex. ;-)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:06:27 (GMT) From: Jackie Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Excuse me Jackie .... Message:

Sorry Stoner, But lighten up! There's no way that Pauline Premie is an ex!! Jackie

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:59:54 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Jackie Subject: Excuse me Jackie .... Message:

Hi Jackie! Nice to know we're in agreement on that! But please try to be consistent. It helps to maintain integrity.

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 23:15:18 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Jackie Subject: Hey Jackie! Message:

Sorry about the heaviness, it was getting late. (But I do believe that PP is an ex) You're the only one around here that I can't figure out at all, not that that means anything, but I am curious. You mentioned somewhere that you have a husband. Any kids? How do you find this site? What do you find interesting here? What are your interests? A lot of questions, and you of course don't have to respond to any of them, but I hope you do. Stonor

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:38:09 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Djuro Subject: Ok, leave it there.. you've had your turn (nt) Message:

dummy

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:48:25 (GMT) From: Coach Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Ok, leave it there.. you've had your turn (nt) Message:

Absolutely

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:20:00 (GMT) From: gregg Email: None To: Djuro Subject: Djuro Message:

Djuro. Who are you? Perhaps you are a youngster from another country whose first language is not English. In that case, we might be a little more understanding. And while you're at it, why are you here? Why?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:12:03 (GMT) From: Ralph Email: None To: Djuro Subject: God Message:

Could you make your questions a liitle longer or more detailed as your above question could have several meanings. I'd say you imagine God in the same way you'd imagine anything, through the resources of your mind.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:14:01 (GMT) From: Djuro Email: None To: Ralph Subject: God Message:

Thank you.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:38:24 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Djuro Subject: The gate to knowledge and Satguru Message:

Djuro: You missed it..... the REAL gate to knowledge and satguru is through the toilet seat..... It says so right on the very first page of M's site! AND WE ALL KNOW that he wouldn't lie, right?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:25:21 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Djuro Subject: God is an overweight entity with a penchant for .. Message:

God is an overweight entity with a penchant for ... ...seeking attention.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:21:04 (GMT) From: JB Email: None To: Djuro Subject: God .. Message:

I imagine God as the most intelligent artist, mathemetician physicist,passionate lover,softest kisser, most generous giver that knows all my needs before I need them. That knows how to teach me perfectly and is all around me even in the keys I'm typing on. I could go on but Regis is on now w/ the Millionaire show. JB

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:48:39 (GMT) From: Djuro Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Hard work Message:

I guess Maharaji had very hard work with you. If you were Perfect Master, would you keep Ashrams alive with all those crazy 'premies' who wanted to find God?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:25:40 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Djuro Subject: That is so beautiful, man Message:

Oh yes, Maharaji had hard work with us. We are so crazy and full of ignorance. We tried to guard the cheese, we really really tried! We tried to be good ushers, but you know it is so so hard to be really committed, to have that understanding, that total surrender. You are right, we are miserable loathsome creatures and Maharaji did right by tossing the ashram premies out on their lousy rear ends--you are right! Mea culpa Mea Culpa!! My screams of self-loathing shall be heard through many lifetimes! I am wretched! I am wretched and DJuro has such insight! Oh Djuro. please share more of your lucid clarity with us brother! You can save each of us who has strayed from the path of truth and goodness, who has been storm-tossed on the sea of maya. Oh thank you thank you brother!.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:46:04 (GMT) From: Jackie Email: None To: Helen Subject: We have tried Message:

Dear Helen, We have also tried to be passionate about ushering but it's So boring. But we tried. Jackie

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:33:27 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Djuro Subject: You wouldn't know hard work if it bit you on the.. Message:

Djuro: You know the rest. You're too busy squeezin' your eyeballs to really work hard. Try taking the time you waste meditating and put it to some use down at your local homeless shelter, soup-kitchen or doing volunteer work for the nature conservancy or something! Believe me, the rewards are much greater for them AND you!

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:29:54 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Djuro Subject: Hard work finding God, when you're stuck with M... Message:

Hard work finding God, when you're stuck with M... That's just it, Juro, the Maha stops you searching by encouraging you to think you've found the answer. If you keep saying to yourself that M is all you've ever wanted/searched for, (ring a bell?) then, as sure as night follows day, you'll stop looking. Wake up, why don't you?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:00:48 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Djuro Subject: What the fuck are you talking about? (nt) Message:

n

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:00:33 (GMT) From: Bozo Email: None To: Djuro Subject: Hard work Message:

No coment.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:25:57 (GMT) From: Djuro Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Knowledge Message:

If Maharaji is God, how do atheists receve Knowledge?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:32:58 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Djuro Subject: God? The Master! Message:

You don't have to believe in God to receive Knowledge, you only have to believe in the Master. Haven't you heard? 'Guru is greater than God!' That was the old way of putting it, now it's 'Thank God? Thank the Master!' He doesn't want you to worship God, he wants you to worship him; he doesn't want any competition.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:06:34 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Djuro Subject: Know-nothing Message:

If Knowledge offered a sensible perspective on the world or even a means for interacting harmoniously with fellow human-beings, this atheist might still be interested... Unfortunately your incontinent doodlings are powerful evidence to the contrary on both counts.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:51:10 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Author.... author.....!!!! Message:

Nigel: You never, I say again, NEVER cease to amaze me! You've got more, truely effective insults in your bag than just about anyone that I've ever met..... THIS coming from a retired military guy..... that kinda puts in real perspective, doesn't it? he he he :-)

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:34:50 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Djuro Subject: If Djuro's in a cult, how does he own a computer? Message:

Sounds like a case of Chris Dickey disease, if you ask me.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:10:26 (GMT) From: Djuro Email: None To: Jim Subject: If Djuro's in a cult, how does he own a computer? Message:

How many computers do you have?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:31:30 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Djuro Subject: God knows how many!! BWA HA HAA! (nt) - sorry, Jim Message:

God knows how many!! BWA HA HAA! (nt) - sorry, Jim

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:02:28 (GMT) From: Bjørn Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Is life a dance. Message:

I just talked to a premie. She is a ballet dancer and very beautiful. She said; 'The dance of life overwhelmes me' Why

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 02:35:05 (GMT) From: YES! In a lovely flower Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: or pearl mala and with a glorious crown! Message:

dfgh

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:47:54 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: Is life a dance. Message:

Maybe she has a very low tolerance for movement and gets overwhelmed easly. Maybe she is insane, really trite or unbelievalbly shallow; it's hard to tell. If life really is a dance, I think you need cha cha lessons.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:14:43 (GMT) From: eb Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: Is life a dance. Message:

if so, these tour jete's are killing me. eb

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:14:33 (GMT) From: Ralph Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: Is life a dance. Message:

Is life a dance? It depends which end of the gun you are.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 20:15:12 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Ralph Subject: Bwa ha ha!-Got yer finger on the trigger? ! (nt) Message:

Bwa ha ha!-Got yer finger on the trigger? ! (nt)

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 23:07:06 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: cq Subject: Yes, I do.... dance, padna, dance!!!! (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:02:55 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Mike Subject: You dancin'? I'm dancin' You askin'? ... (nt) Message:

You dancin'? I'm dancin' You askin'? ... (nt)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:02:30 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: cq Subject: sure, why not? Watch yer toes, padna... (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 15:50:47 (GMT) From: Monmot Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: Is life a dance. Message:

I hope she's not five years old. As to your question 'why,' why don't you ask her and quit being so precious. Or are these pseudo-deep questions how you prepare for K nowadays?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:35:30 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Bjørn Subject: No! It's a... Message:

...sexually-transmitted terminal condition.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 20:23:32 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Nigel Subject: No! It's a... Nigealogy? Message:

Just got to share these world ideologies with you: WORLD IDEOLOGIES EXPLAINED BY REFERENCE TO COWS FEUDALISM You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk. SOCIALISM You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you a glass of milk. FASCISM You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk. PURE COMMUNISM You share two cows with your neighbors. You and your neighbors bicker about who have the most 'ability' and who has the most 'need.' Meanwhile, no one works, no one gets any milk, and the cows drop dead of starvation. RUSSIAN COMMUNISM You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell it on the black market. PERESTROIKA You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the Mafia takes all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell it on the 'free market.' CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you. DICTATORSHIP You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you. PURE DEMOCRACY You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk. REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk. BUREAUCRACY You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows. CAPITALISM You don't have any cows. The bank will not lend you money to buy cows because you don't have any cows to put up as collateral. PURE ANARCHY You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you. ANARCHO-CAPITALISM You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. SURREALISM You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. OLYMPICS-ISM You have two cows, one American, one Chinese. With the help of trilling violins and state of the art montage photography, John Tesh narrates the moving tale of how the American cow overcame the agony of growing up in a suburb with (gasp) divorced parents, then mentions in passing that the Chinese cow was beaten every day by a tyrannical farmer and watched its parents butchered before its eyes. The American cow wins the competition, severely spraining an udder in a gritty performance, and gets a multi-million dollar contract to endorse Wheaties. The Chinese cow is led out of the arena and shot by Chinese government officials, though no one ever hears about it. McDonald's buys the meat and serves it hot and fast at its Beijing restaurant. AMERICAN CORPORATE CAPITALISM Both cows are bloated with toxic steroids. They are set out to graze on privatized public parks, release massive amounts of flatulence that destroys the ozone layer, die from excess ultraviolet light, and are processed into meat-like products that look great as a result of clever and unprincipled marketing strategies. When you mortgage your artificially devalued farm at high interest rates in order to buy meat, you consume the poisoned material and develop terminal illnesses because there is no health care plan to treat you. The corporate management uses your purchase price to acquire THEIR meat from cows raised 'naturally' on tree-free rain forest land outside of the country where labor and resources are cheap. you want more?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:10:52 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: cq Subject: more, more! nt Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:19:45 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: G Subject: more, more! Message:

You want more? You got it: A FISH STORY A priest decides to take a walk to the pier near his church. He looks around and finally stops to watch a fisherman load his boat. The fisherman notices, and asks the priest if he would like to join him for a couple of hours. The priest agrees. The fisherman asks if the priest has ever fished before, to which the priest says no. He baits the hook for him and says, 'Give it a shot father.' After a few minutes, the priest hooks a big fish and struggles to get it in the boat. The fisherman says 'Whoa, what a big son of a bitch!' Priest: 'Uh, please sir, can you mind your language?' Fisherman: (THINKING QUICKLY) 'I'm sorry father, but that's what this fish is called - a sonofabitch!' Priest: 'Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't know.' After the trip, the priest brings the fish to the church and spots the bishop. Priest: 'Look at this big sonofabitch!' Bishop: 'Please, mind your language, this is a house of God.' Priest: 'No, you don't understand - that's what this fish is called, and I caught it. I caught this sonofabitch!' Bishop: 'Hmmm. You know, I could clean this sonofabitch and we could have it for dinner.' So the Bishop takes the fish and cleans it, and brings it to the head mother. Bishop: 'Could you cook this sonofabitch for dinner tonight?' Head Mother: 'My lord, what language!' Bishop: 'No, sister, that's what the fish is called - a sonofabitch! Father caught it, I cleaned it, and we'd like you to cook it.' Head Mother: 'Hmmm. Yes, I'll cook that sonofabitch tonight.' Well, the Pope stops by for dinner with the three of them, and they all think the fish is great. He asks where they got it. Priest: 'I caught the sonofabitch!' Bishop: 'And I cleaned the sonofabitch!' Head Mother: 'And I cooked the sonofabitch!' The Pope stares at them for a minute with a steely gaze, but then takes off his hat, puts his feet up on the table, and says, 'You know, you fuckers are alright!'

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:49:20 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: cq Subject: No! It's a... Nigealogy? Message:

That's great! Do you have a reference or is it yours? I want to share it with some friends.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:10:10 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Stonor Subject: I mean a... NigeOlogy Message:

For sure you can share it! - I found it at this site: http://looop.net/funnies

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 23:13:56 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: cq Subject: Thanks cq! (nt) Message:

sssssss

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:32:14 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: all Subject: THE CELIBACY TEST Message:

more from www.looop.net/funnies: THE CELIBACY TEST Three young Irish candidates for the priesthood are told by the Monsignor they have to pass one more test: The Celibacy Test. The Monsignor leads them into a room, and tells them to undress, and a small bell is tied to each man's penis. In comes a beautiful woman, wearing a sexy belly-dancer costume. She begins to dance sensually around the first candidate. Ting-a-ling 'Oh, Patrick,' says the Monsignor, 'I am so disappointed in your lack of control. Go now and take a long, cold shower and pray about your carnal weakness.' The candidate leaves. The dancer continues, dancing around the second candidate, slowly peeling off her layers of veils. As the last veil drops: Ting-a-ling 'Joseph, Joseph,' sighs the Monsignor. 'You too are unable to withstand your carnal desires. Go ... take a long, cold shower and pray for forgiveness.' The dancer continues, dancing naked in front of the final candidate. Nothing. She writhes up and down against his body. No response. Finally, exhausted, she quits. 'Michael, my son, I am truly proud of you,' says the Monsignor. 'Only you have the true strength of character needed to become a priest. Now, go and join your weaker brethren in the showers.' Ting-a-ling

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:10:54 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Nigel Subject: No! It's a... addendum Message:

Nigel: limited, self-replicating strand of amino acids.... Nige, this guy is really hopeless..... he's actually looking forward to being captured into the fraud's web. His post below is really sickening, don't you think?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:29:30 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: Is life a dance. Message:

Because she's fucking around with everybody! Not be invited?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:59:02 (GMT) From: Ex-Mormon Email: None To: all Subject: What I see when I press on my eyeballs Message:

Life is a Dance

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:46:17 (GMT) From: JB Email: None To: Ex-Mormon Subject: That was great!! nt Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 09:11:57 (GMT) From: Jethro Email: None To: Everyone Subject: DISCUSSION ON ANOTHER FORUM Message:

For those interested there is a dicussion going on in the 'Soul and Spirit' forum(Delphi) about the techniques. Ther are 2 threads, one is a called 'Is SYDA a cult?' and the other is ion the mysticm folder. The url is http://www.delphi.com/pneumapsyche/messages/?msg=62%2E19

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 10:31:55 (GMT) From: Bro. Daryl Email: drdaryl@yahoo.com To: All Subject: Invitation Message:

Dearest Friends, This cult scene is really alarming. I think it all begins when someone declares himself/herself as a guru. Then he elevates himself in a platform that no one can really live up to (only Jesus, though some may still disagree). Forums like this are really helpful and informative. I hope you also visit our Forum which is very new. You may discuss matters like these also. I am just inviting you so that our new Board will have some participants. I am not competing with this high-tech and most attended boards of ex-premies (whatever that means). You may use the link found in this URL: http://darylpahimna.homepage.com Thank you very much. Peace, good health and affluence to you and your loved ones.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:36:49 (GMT) From: JB Email: None To: Forum V Subject: Whew, glad to be back - love you guys nt Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:17:07 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Bro. Daryl Subject: Oh, jesus h christ!!!! Message:

Ok...... who's the joker? he he he he :-)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:40:07 (GMT) From: Bro. Daryl Email: drdaryl@yahoo.com To: Mike Subject: Oh, jesus h christ!!!! Message:

Alright alright bad idea I admit:o) Sorry.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 15:20:55 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Bro. Daryl Subject: Brother Daryl, You're a Mormon, right? Message:

Why muddy our waters with your forum/site information? Are you actually an ex-premie like Jethro is, or are you hunting for members and followers who will want to meditate with you and maybe joined LDS? It's really crude to treat us as a 'mailing list' for your own group, particularly by using anti-cult rhetoric.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 05:43:56 (GMT) From: Bro. Daryl Email: drdaryl@yahoo.com To: Runamok Subject: Brother Daryl, You're a Mormon, right? Message:

'Why muddy our waters with your forum/site information? Are you actually an ex-premie like Jethro is, or are you hunting for members and followers who will want to meditate with you and maybe joined LDS? It's really crude to treat us as a 'mailing list' for your own group, particularly by using anti-cult rhetoric. Ridiculous conclusion noted.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:17:05 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Bro. Daryl Subject: Brother Daryl, aren't you special? Message:

I guess you just like that feeling that a million kooks have found the site of their dreams.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:02:14 (GMT) From: Recent Exes Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Recent Exes Forum Message:

Recent Exes is a flame-free forum oriented toward recent exes but equally open to old timers. If you are interested in joining or have questions you can email: recentexes@yahoo.com

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:16:16 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Recent Exes Subject: Why won't you answer about your 'gossip policy'? Message:

Why won't you tell us about the great 'no gossip' policy you were going to institute to prevent contributors to your secret conversation from using the forum to simply gossip about, slag or simply self-aggrandize at the expense of other people here? Did I miss something? I thought this was something you were going to do? We know that you've abused the secrecy of your forum before and I thought there was some kind of understanding that you were going to enact some 'guideline' to prevent more of the same. Am I wrong about that? Huh, Run, am I?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:21:20 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why won't you answer about your 'gossip policy'? Message:

Hi Jim, Just thought I'd inform you that having been on the recent exes forum I haven't seen any 'gossip'.The subject matter is what you'd expect from people like me struggling to come to terms with being duped by the fatguru. All the best. Hal

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 04:54:46 (GMT) From: Fly Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why won't you answer about your 'gossip policy'? Message:

Why don't you apply to join Jim?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 04:59:14 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Fly Subject: Good idea. Why didn't I think of that? Message:

Okay, I will.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:30:35 (GMT) From: Fly Email: None To: Jim Subject: But!!!!!!!! Message:

But then everyone will come back here, and you'll be stuck over there. We need a plan Jim. I'll think on it.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 00:41:36 (GMT) From: Bjørn Edwardsen Email: None To: Everyone Subject: A letter to Brian and all of you Message:

Hi folks. I am back again! For those of you who don’t know me, I used to make some posts here a few months ago under different alias like Bim Doubtfire, Who really Knows, Why are you lying, Bubblegum and some others. Why I changed my aliases, I will explain. By the way, I am aspiring to be a premie. When I said I would leave the Forum, at least some people were happy. Roger the Drek, expressed it this way; ”And now we all sing ; Happy days are here again”. - Roger, relax I wont start again. Writing here was fun but also a disappointment. The funny part was some sincere teasing. I placed some confronting questions. And that was the disappointing part. Even if 100's of post replied to my sincere teasing, there were only one or 2 person who came up with serious arguments. The rest of them, well I was called an asshole, there where an argument who I was, where I came from and so on. Some people said I was trying to give ”Satsang”, and wanted to have all “Sastangs” removed from the Forum. The saddest part of my posts, was that I once wrote, that as a kid I for a couple of days I had a crush in another lot younger girl. I just wrote that to make a point to the fact that it probably is a gift that most of us have a normal sexual attitude. I should not have written that! Because then every time I wrote, people started to write that I was a pedophile. That why I changed my aliases. This is for BRIAN: I just scanned through something you wrote concerning Mel Bourne allegation that you were responsible for posts by Jim that were against the law. In some extent I agree with you. When Jimmie Boy posts his posts and is threatening an anonymous person with violence, no law will probably judge you. But realize you are on very, very thin ice, so to speak. In my case it is provable that you took a editorial action and deleted at one time about 50 posts. Once you even deleted one thread I made. So you cannot plead irresponsiblity when you in some cases edit things and in some cases you dont. In my case I revealed my real name. When somebody after that incident, called me a pedophile, which I am not and can prove I am not, and you do not delete such a posts, you are in deep trouble. Because that is definitely against the law. I am a real person. For the fun of it, I contacted the vice-president of the legal department for the largest search engine in Norway. She agreed that I might sue you, but I might also sue the searching engines. Even if this has not been tried, she assumed that someone would do so. Many things written here in the forum are in fact against the law. So with editing power, and not being straight, Brian, you are a CRIMINAL. But relax I am not going to report you to the police. You are not worth it. Some people argued that Maharaji might sue this site. Forget it, dont you already know that such things would not be Maharajis style. Marianne, as a lawyer, do not show much legal insight in her arguing about that this would not happen because then Maharaji would have his life exposed. Bullshit. In my country, Brian would have been imprisoned if anyone would report these cases to the police. About 20 years ago in my country, there was a story in one of the largest newspapers. There was this weird sect, in Switzerland that had the same name as DLM (Except Mission with z). They had an outrageous scandal, drinking blood, their leader raped 2 girls, one person was killed and so on. The paper made the story and put Maharajis name and picture into it. Anyone would have sued the paper, Maharaji did not care. It seems like he does not involve himself into such trivialities. You guys in unison mob those premies who dare to write here. For once, let me say my honest opinion about some of you guys. No pretending. I think you are really pathetic. For instance JEAN MICHEL. I proved to him a few times that he lied. He never bothered to answer. But allways uncorrectly responded when I posted. JOHN BRAUNS, corresponded to me, He threatened to print my mail in the Forum, I wrote back to him, explained why I changed aliases (because people started insulting) and I proved to him that in fact , the Forum and their editors, truly had acted in the same spirit and methods as Goebbels did with the Jews during and before the world war 2. It was done exactly the same way, doing something, and accusing the enemy for doing it. John Braun never bothered to do anything (I kind of asked him to) but showed he is a brained washed guy with no spine. Feel save behind your computer, John? MARIANNE I always wanted to ask you; are you pedophile?; Once you wrote after having read a link from sir Dave; ”Thank you for this link. It warmed my hearth,, Love Marianne” . The link consisted of a at least for me a tear dropping story about a girl who was sexually abused by a sick man; So are YOU a pedophile Marianne since this warmed your heart, or just a wannabe groupie? ROGER DREK, you are a talented person, why the hell do you waste your time into something where you are in a loose – loose situation. Dont you have any common sense anymore? SIR DAVID – you are indeed not very much Sir. JIM, Jimmie boy, get real. You make me really laugh, even if it is sad. When was the last time you had a good feeling? AJW, you used to be so funny, but sadly you became less and less funny. May be you should sign your posts Anth the very Pathetic. CYNTHIA, I saw you were back. When someone posted a link to someone called Mary M or something and saying Mary was psychopathic, (it is actually called borderline for women) I registered that it was like she was your twin soul, with exact same paraphrasing and thought patterns. And there were some nice and in my opinion sincere person, like Katie. And then there were some really stupid ones, like the person bragging and printing mail to and from the commissioner. Don’t you think the commissioner got this mail and the published description of how to complain to the commission. And then there were some guys I cant believe have sunk so deep in unhuman indignity. Come on, LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. Don’t you see you are just going in circles? You are coming nowhere. I have surfed into these pages a couple of times, and they are soooo boring. On the other hand premie communities start to blossom again. In a new way. At least here in Norway. May be some of you have seen the movie ”THE LIFE OF BRIAN”, I cant remember how it ends, but there is this character like Jesus, that accidentally happens to be known as the son of god. So the story goes like with Jesus. Just think: Some people joined Brian, some people left him. Some people tried to crucify him. Anyway, with Brian as with Maharaji, there are only 2 possibilities. Either he is for real or he is not. With Brian, it is easy to understand that everybody wasted their time. Those who tried to crucify him and those who followed him. But those who followed him, wanted to. If Brian had been real, only those people trying to crucify him would have been losers. So that’s why you all are in a loose - loose situation. If Maharaji is for real, you have wasted your time. If he is a fake, he will loose, and so will you. Did anyone of you read that article in Times some time ago. It commented a survey about net addicts. The conclusion of the survey, was that it is really easy to be what I call web-junkies. And according to this survey, the web-junkies start to be really depressed after some time. They spend most of their spare time on the web, and the survey showed that it ruins their career, many cant keep their jobs, their family life suffer. And they create very strange social behavior. So definitely the web-junkies are in a loose - loose situation. It is not very hard to see that a great deal of you guys are in fact web-junkies. Is that really the ” holy purpose” with your life? I know it is not my business. I just wonder. So from sincere within me, like many of you have written to me; Fuck You! That is - if you keep wasting your beautiful gift of life. I don’t think I will post here anymore. May be only for the some teasing Bim

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:16:00 (GMT) From: TRI Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: Attornies Available? Message:

Hey Bjorn... maybe Linda, or John, or Alvarro can take some time off from managing the EV Church, the residence, the hang glider, the helicopter, and the kids mercedes funds to help you clarify your stance. Here's the info: Linda Attorney for EV: Corporation ELAN VITAL, INC. Number: C0661537 Date Filed: 7/26/1972 Status: active Jurisdiction: COLORADO Mailing Address PO BOX 6130 MALIBU, CA 90264 Agent for Service of Process LINDA S GROSS SANTA MONICA, CA 90403 John ... not sure if he's an attorney but he's good at managing toys er... assets... whatever: Corporation SEVA CORPORATION OF AMERICA Number: C0858497 Date Filed: 1/5/1978 Status: active Jurisdiction: NEVADA Mailing Address P O BOX 1437 THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91358 Agent for Service of Process JOHN K BALE THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91360 Alvarro... great attorney for managing kids company: Corporation WAHADAMAR, INC. Number: C1710708 Date Filed: 8/3/1992 Status: active Jurisdiction: California Mailing Address PO BOX 1437 THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91358 Agent for Service of Process ALVARO PASCOTTO LOS ANGELES, CA 90067

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:21:23 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: A request... Message:

Tell us precisely what your lawyer source said.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:57:00 (GMT) From: Katie/Ms. K Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: A letter to Bjorn Message:

Bjorn - I appreciate you saying that I was nice to you, but the fact is that I got tired of answering your posts because I wrote several very sincere responses to you which you did not answer. Instead, you answered all the flaming and flippant responses to you in the same thread in which I posted. From that, I concluded that you were not interested in serious and sincere discussion, and I stopped answering your posts. About Brian: Brian is my partner, by the way - in case you didn't know - and I certainly don't appreciate you calling him a criminal. Brian and I run ex-premie.org together (Brian does almost all the work). We do not administer the forum and have not done do for about a year (since Forum III, to be exact). The current forum administrators choose to be anonymous. Having adminstered the forum myself in the past, I am sure that they acted responsibly when deleting your posts. Did you ever try and e-mail them and talk to them about it? (If Mel is reading this, I ask him the same question.) Also, there is no law in the US which prevents administrators from deleting posts on a public forum. Personally, I doubt that there is a law about this in Norway either. If you have a complaint about a post on this forum, or feel that a post is 'illegal', I suggest you or your lawyer e-mail the forum administrators (click on the link to 'e-mail admin' above). Ditto for anyone from EV or Enjoying Life if they feel there is 'copyright infringement'. Otherwise all the talk of legalities and lawsuits on this forum is just a bunch of TALK - or 'sound and fury signifying nothing'. As far as all your accusations against other people who post on this forum, I am guessing that a lot of people got very tired of trying to answer your posts sincerely, just like I did. Also, your attack against Marianne was COMPLETELY unwarranted. I think you owe her an apology. As far as what you wrote about John Brauns, J-M, etc. - good grief! (Here's the personal attack you've been waiting for, John!) I won't even comment on your interpretation of 'Life of Brian', because you seem to have missed the whole point of that film. In re pedophilia - as I recall, you made your confession about being attracted to a young girl in defense of Jagdeo. I agree with you that humans have all kinds of sexual impulses that they do not act on, and I would imagine that this is especially true during puberty. However, to use this to try and explain Jagdeo's actions is way out of line. Part of the point of being human, rather than a sociopath, is that people do NOT act on every sexual impulse they might have. Jagdeo was a grown man in a position of power, who used that power and trust to sexually abuse children as young as seven years old, with serious consequences for those children. Furthermore, he was not stopped from having access to children even after several people complained about his actions. THIS is truly CRIMINAL. Any follower of Maharaji that comes on here and tries to minimize or excuse Jagdeo's actions, and the actions of those who covered up for him, is going to get a LOT of angry responses - just like you did. Well, Bjorn, I doubt if you'll respond to this post either, but there were some things I wanted to say. Katie

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:07:45 (GMT) From: Mr C Email: None To: Katie/Ms. K Subject: Anonymous administartor Message:

You said 'The current forum administrators choose to be anonymous'. I wonder why? Seems to me that Bjorn and Mel may not be so far off the mark after all

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:40:03 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: Mr C Subject: Anonymous poster Message:

How you could be so arrogant as to presume that you have any right to come into a forum administered and maintained by other people, and to choose to post anonymously that those who do the work have NO right to also choose to post anonymously here is beyond me.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:28:19 (GMT) From: Joey Email: None To: Brian Subject: Anonymous poster Message:

How you could be so arrogant as to presume that you have any right to come into a forum administered and maintained by other people, and to choose to post anonymously that those who do the work have NO right to also choose to post anonymously here is beyond me. But Brian, m pulls this number off all the time on premies. It's 'don't do as I do...do as I say,' and a good premie swallows this hook, line and sinker. The cult breeds hypocrisy, and premies just suck it up and keep spewing it out ad nauseum. I suppose we can call Mr.C's conduct on this page arrogance, hypocrisy...whatever. IMO, it's simply...typical cult member behavior.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:34:18 (GMT) From: Bjørn Email: None To: Katie/Ms. K Subject: A letter to Bjorn Message:

Katie May be I am not very good in expressing my self in english. I just want to say following to you: I responded to most of your posts. Once you accused me for not answering, I then posted a letter to you and apologized throug the administration that I had not seen your post. A moth later I got a reply that there were nobody there called Katie. Regarding Brian, I apologize if I am wrong. However this whole Forum would be agsinst the law in my country. I am not a lawyer, but what I know of american law, is that many things coming into this Forum is definitely against the law. There is no doubt in my mind about that. The responsibility is with the forum administrator. I could go into details about things that are agains the law, but what is the point? In fact there was a similar accident happening in Norway on a stocktalk. A guy wrote some lies and really nasty things about a named person. What happened was that the administrator had to find the guy who wrote these lies, he had to delete all the posts about this person and the guy who wrote it had to apology. You missed my point about John. I just wrote that he once proved he had no character in my eyes. But I also think he is a nice guy in his way. (and as you said, he expressed dissapointment once because the administrator deleted a negative post about him) Regarding the film of Brian. I did my comments about the film, just to try to see things from another perspective. Some times we are stuck in our way of looking at thing. That is my opinion. In a way, it is sad to see that the level of the ability to read, nor the capacity to remember things are not very impressive here at the Forum. For your sake, I think it is a good thing that Maharaji is what he is. Anybody else, I think you quickly would be out of business. Best in life Bjørn

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:35:04 (GMT) From: Joey Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: A letter to Bjorn Message:

You have zero credibility. That's how phony you are. Ok Rob! Back to the drawing board!!

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:30:42 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Bjørn Subject: Questions for Bjorn Message:

Bjorn, Your English is adequate for serious discussion here. But not good enough for effective insults. It is always difficult to express insults in your second language without sounding silly. I suggest that you leave off the insults altogether and that you express yourself here with more normal human respect. It is unbecoming and an insult to your own intelligence for you to express strong negative opinions, especially when you haven't even met Rawat personally or even received Knowledge yet. One can only wonder if you really know what you are talking about. Perhaps you would be interested in an attempt at more open and respectful communication. Can we know a little more about you? How did you hear about Maharaji and how many premies are there in Norway? In your search for truth, are you investigating any teachers or systems other than Maharaji? For instance, has Falun Gong reached Norway and have you considered the teachings of its master, Master Li? Falun Gong is making big news in China, of course, and it is very rapidly growing in the US. Have you heard about all the other systems of meditation that are available in the world? What makes you think that Rawat is the one for you? By the way, I recently rented a Norwegian movie, (titled Sebastian) and I loved both the language and the cityscapes in the movie. Your healthcare system is also praiseworthy, as is your crimerate, etc. Nice country.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:37:36 (GMT) From: not John Cleese Email: None To: Way Subject: Don't mention the suicide rate (nt) [or the war] Message:

Don't mention the suicide rate (nt) [or the war]

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 21:46:18 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: not John Cleese Subject: what war? Message:

NJC, This is definitely a tangent. But I'm curious. Do Norwegians off themselves at a higher than normal rate? If so, do you know why? I myself am a quarter Finn and I know that the Finns are famous for being particularly glum. But I haven't heard about the other Scandinavians.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 14:19:02 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Way Subject: Could they mean the 'Cod War' of 1970's? Message:

I don't know who did the anonymous interjection, Way, but I think I can identify the references. Sometime in the middle of the 20th century, some survey found that Sweden had a comparatively high suicide rate (but not the worst). This piece of information was generalised in the public's mind to include all Scandinavians and was trotted out for years by US (and British) politicians of the right (notably Ronald Reagan) as evidence of the misery endured by nations with left-leaning governments. By the time he was using the statistic it was way out of date and numerous free-market capitalist systems were higher in hari-kiri stakes. The 'war' reference is probably to the nazi-puppet Quisling regime established in WWII. The 'don't mention the war line' is probably borrowed from a classic episode of Fawlty Towers where a party of Germans are having dinner and Basil urgently cautions all staff not to mention the war, then keeps making these Freudian slips about the Nazis every time he talks to the party, until ultimately he's goose-stepping round the dining room hotel holding a finger under his nose like a Hitler moustache... German guest: 'Why do you keep mentioning the war?' Basil: 'Well, you started it...' German: 'No we didn't...' Basil: 'Yes you did. You invaded Poland!'

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 15:24:00 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Re:Could they mean the 'Cod War' of 1970's? Message:

Nigel, Thanks much for the explanations! You even cleared up the John Cleese reference, which I was definitely wondering about. I was thinking along the lines of Bjorn's reference to Life of Brian and the initials JC belonging also to that other master. We do get Fawlty Towers over here, but I've never watched a whole episode. Thanks.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 18:45:09 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Way Subject: Fawlty Towers - very funny, highly recommended, Message:

and I'm not even English.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 20:50:57 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: G Subject: You're not English,G? Blimey. What are you then?nt Message:

You're not English,G? Blimey. What are you then?nt

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 00:04:00 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: cq Subject: American nt Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:05:16 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: Oh boy... more legal advice Message:

Bjorn: More legal advice/admonishment from someone that doesn't know squat about the issue! Turn your brain back on and go to law school before you give anymore legal advice...... Are you going to tell us that you are now a Sveedish lawyer, bjorn-yesterday?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 14:59:30 (GMT) From: toby Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: A letter to Brian and all of you Message:

you know, of course Sir David is not real Sir, sir. Queen Elizabeth the II never put him into knightship, you dummy! He just calls himself so, just like ahhh..... 'THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE', you know this guy?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 13:18:59 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: A letter to Brian and all of you Message:

JOHN BRAUNS, corresponded to me, He threatened to print my mail in the Forum, I wrote back to him, explained why I changed aliases (because people started insulting) and I proved to him that in fact, the Forum and their editors, truly had acted in the same spirit and methods as Goebbels did with the Jews during and before the world war 2. It was done exactly the same way, doing something, and accusing the enemy for doing it. John Braun never bothered to do anything (I kind of asked him to) but showed he is a brained washed guy with no spine. Feel save behind your computer, John? Hi Bjorn, I had forgotten you existed. All I can remember is your apparent inability to focus on an issue - sorry don't remember the Nazi comparisons although they sound a bit tasteless. By the way, I'm not hiding behind my computer - I live in London and my name and address are in the phone book. When you come here to receive knowledge, please feel free to visit. John Brauns

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 15:30:31 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: JHB Subject: A letter to Brian and all of you Message:

Bjorn, You are getting carried away comparing John to the Nazis, don't you think?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 10:39:24 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: A letter to Brian and all of you Message:

Welcome back, Bim. In my case it is provable that you took a editorial action and deleted at one time about 50 posts. I seriously doubt that is 'provable', since I never deleted any of your posts. I haven't administered this forum for about a year. Someone possibly did, but it wasn't me. I wasn't reading the forum much when you were raising hackles here, but I have seen your name mentioned in posts. Evidently you didn't make many friends. We are in complete agreement about Katie. She's my favorite person that I've met on the forum. Sounds like you invited the pedophile label by the content of your own post. But remember - when someone calls you a name that you believe is unfair, just say: Sticks and Stones can break my bones, But words can never hurt me. Or, give money to an attorney. I don't care. I've never been a great fan of 'democracy' or 'free speach' as practiced in Norway.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 07:11:31 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek™ Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: Hal, open the pod bay door for Bjørn Message:

Damnit, Bim! I'm a network backbone security engineer, not a doctor of psychiatry. Listen up, Bim! I'm really busy getting some very intensive high tech training in Silicon Valley before I start my next assignment located in Thousand Oaks and I really don't have time to slap any sense into you at this time. And, I can see that it is way too late for that because Jean-Michel has given the Former Initiator Stamp of Approval that guarantees you will soon receive Knowledge and have your thinking further muddled and destroyed. Bim, is it possible that your thinking process can degrade any further? I don't think so. But, many of us thought that Ronald Reagan couldn't be any more stupid either. And, no! No, Bim, I didn't even read your super deluxe lame post, but I felt my name being called from deep within my own experience and thought that I'd better surface from my router manuals to see who is using my name in vain. Bim, damn you! I've overstayed my welcome. I've posted twice in one week now. Roger the disappearing act who plans to reappear from 1000 Oaks with a new view on life

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:45:18 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: Bjorn Message:

Dear Bjorn, You've made your choice and I am sorry for you. I've just got out of the cult after 28 years and it makes me sad to see sincere seekers of freedom being tempted into voluntary slavery by the tv guru. There are something like 100,000 or more ex followers of Maharaji in the western world. They are not on this forum most of them.They are doing whatever, some have persued other pathways of inner knowledge, others have just put their lives back together and chucked the whole idea of enlightenment out.I don't know what they're up to but whatever it is they consider it preferable to being involved with a fake non spiritual teacher. If you won't listen to the few on this forum then listen to the silence of the majority who left. No matter how many receive knowledge there are always basically around 10,000 premies who gather for a major event. Strange eh! where do they all disappear to? Anyway friend enjoy becoming a mindless happy drone in the Kingdom of the fake lard if you must. May the force of reason be with you. All the best Hal.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:08:06 (GMT) From: gErRy Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: Hey you fucking pedophile, you forgot me !!! Message:

You make me sick. Sexual desires for little girls. What the hell do you call it? Pervert.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:29:49 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: Proud to be the 2nd on your list! Message:

You are one of the most clear aspirants I've ever heard of! I'll recommend you to Belkis and Charanand. Which session are you intending to attend? I'm here as a test, and you've passed! Most aspirants usually flunk after reading my website. You're safe for at least 20 years in premiedom! Welcome!!!

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:18:25 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: I tell YOU something Message:

Do not forget, I repeat, do not forget to tell Charanand and Belkis that you like Maharaji enough to sooner or later become his devotee, his servant, because that's all it takes; you'll get K quickly. The name of the game is: He plays God (Lard), you play stupid and believe ALL he tells you forever and ever. If you have doubts do not use your reasoning power because Lard doesn't like doubters; just be happy and see 'your' story' unfold, which it would be a copy of our -exes- stories, and I hope, you someday have the luck to escape as we did. But hey, who knows, maybe you enjoy the game, because that is what it's is, a game. A old guru-devotee game. I know how somebody gets to receive knowledge. I know this well because for few years I was the Aspirant Contact in the community I live and I was then trained through private phone conferences and very confidential documents ONLY FOR ASPIRANTS CONTACTS to learn how to do it. Yes. I know how all works: A specific video at a time, so, when you get to watch the ones for people with knowledge only, you'll be IN already, and what you are going to hear will not bother you at all, because the YOU that had the capacity to get bothered will be gone, will be hidden someplace... maybe to never return... Do you know what to be clear means? Managable, by Mahalard's system. By no means think that is something else. Just empty you head, sorry, cup, so he can fill it to the rim. I was the Aspirant Contact long enough to realize that all is planned to make you succeed: First class brainwashing to help you know 'GOD'=Maharaji. You? Who cares about you? The door is open... he says. Yeah, right! Receiving knowledge is the begining of your journey and if you stick around to reach 'your' destiny, Lard god Mahalard is waiting for you with open arms to receive you as his servant at the end, to help him get further fullfiling his wordly desires. We did that, until we saw the REAL light: He's a total brainwashing greedy fraude!! So, you appear to have just a big mouth, but no understanding of what is about to happen to you. And quit calling others loosers, simply becasue you haven't been in this side of the road! That in my book is called ignorance, talking about what you do not know...Beside all, WE exes WERE where you are, don't you forget that! PS: I will do like I didn't see your if 'fuck you', because if I answer to that my mother would get mad at me...hahahahaha u ful

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 05:26:35 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: SB Subject: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST - it's 'loser', not 'looser' Message:

Now you're doing it, SB. Look, 'looser' is what happens to your pants when you 'lose' weight. They get 'looser'. You're a weight-loser? Well, your pants get 'looser'. That's it. It's that simple. There you go, Knowledge of all Knowledges. Naw, it's alright. Don't mention it.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:31:01 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Jim Subject: what do you expect: I do the best I can... Message:

english is my second language!!! I don't know how but I got an A in all the English classes I took... hahahaha. Hi Jim!

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:30:11 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: You're right about one thing Message:

The word 'lose' should be changed to 'loose', so many ignorant cult apologists keep misspelling it that way. So I'm with you there, Bim, no problem.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 02:10:14 (GMT) From: A Premie Email: None To: Bjørn Edwardsen Subject: You Tell ThemBjorn Message:

Thank you Bjorn, and it is just so beautiful that you are aspiring to be a premie. I mean, just look at the premies who post here. Don't you want to be just like them? They are just so intelligent, logical and they are ALL completely happy all the time. And it is all because of Maharaji's grace, isn't it? Well, I guess you don't know that yet, but if you aspire long enough, and grovel to us premies enough, I am sure we will give good reports to Belkis and you will receive knowledge. Then you will know that without Maharaji, you are worthless scum. And I think all this animosity and irritation you are displaying at the ex-premies is right on! You should be extremely pissed at them and really bent out of shape as your very long letter demonstrates. They are confused monmots and do not have THAT understanding of the gift they were given. I mean, can you believe it? These people HAVE KNOWLEDGE. They have experienced the one true bliss, and they didn't like it. You should be just as upset as you obviously are. But remember, after you get knowledge, you won't feel that anymore. It will be all bliss. And yes, Brian, or whoever is in charge here, should be sued. Despite the fact that this is a privately-run website, and isn't required to let anyone whatsoever post anything at all, I agree that probably in Norway you might be able to sue over that, maybe. I am sure there are countries where you can go to prison for deleting posts from a website. Isn't it awful? Man, probably in the USA and Iran you get the death penalty for that! It is just such outragous and awful behavior. But what can you expect from people who are making fun of the living god? Anyway, I found your legal arguments persuasive, and I am sure you are a lawyer, or at least very well-educated in those laws. Good for you. I am sure Brian is just shaking in his boots right about now. I have to admit, I fell asleep trying to read your, very long post, but since you are an aspirant, and don't have knowledge, you don't know anything anyway, so I won't bother to read the rest of it, but I can tell that you are not addicted to the internet. That is important. I get that way from time to time, but I know it's just my evil mind and I pray to Maharaji to remind me of the truth. Good luck on receiving knowledge. And remember, those instructors ask US PREMIES how dedicated and groveling you are. So, show lots of deprecation to us, to the instructor and tell them how much you love and appreciate Maharaji, and I bet you will get knowledge in no time.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 16:24:18 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: A Premie Subject: You and Bjorn-yesterday Message:

ap: You found his legal arguments persuasive? You think this guy is a lawyer? Were YOU bjorn-yesterday? Try this on for size, ask Jim (an accredited lawyer) a serious legal question and then view his response. Make the question unrelated to this site or anything relating to this site..... makes the playing field a little less emotional. THEN, view his response. You will note that there are certain characteristics present in a legal reply that comes from a REAL lawyer. You should then be able to tell the difference between a lawyer and a YAHOO that was bjorn-yesterday and thinks we are, too! Jim: If you read this please forgive me, but I'm friggin' tired of these assholes claiming to be knowledgable about something they have never been involved with, unless it was as a defendant. These guys are beyond stupid, they're INTENTIONALLY stupid!

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 17:45:22 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Mike Subject: Get a Grip, Mike. 'A Premie' was ME.... Message:

And I was trying to be sarcastic and funny. Did I fail that badly?

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 10:54:15 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@tigerriver.com To: JW Subject: ah-HA!! Message:

Well, I've read your post 'JW'. It's obvious to me that you are not only a premie, but that you are Prempal Rawat HIMSELF!! Listen here, Maharaji - stop conning people. And drink more coffee. You need to be able to stay awake when reading satsang if you expect people to stay awake when watching videos.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:16:57 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: I read it again and the jury's in..... Message:

JW: In reference to my other response to you..... I'm just an idiot! I must have skipped half of the words in the post. Talk about taking things out of context!!!!!! I gotta heed my own words! I know, I know..... I'll blame Bjorn-yesterday for distracting me. Yeah, he may as well get used to it...... his future master will end up blaming him for stuff that isn't his fault, so why not get an early start.... yeah, yeah... that's the ticket! Mike - the sheepish one! :-)

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 22:11:01 (GMT) From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: Damn.... you got me good! :-) Message:

JW: I think you may be a bit TOO GOOD! Either that or I'm just an idiot! he he he :-)

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 00:52:16 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Mike Subject: It's Understandable Message:

No Mike, like Katie said, it's really frightening the stuff that gets posted here by premies that doesn't sound all that less crazy than what 'A Premie' wrote. And they are being serious. So, in this place, it's understandable.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:16:56 (GMT) From: Joey Email: None To: JW Subject: Get a Grip, Mike. 'A Premie' was ME.... Message:

Like beauty itself, sarcasm and humour must be in the eyes of the beholder. I thought the post was hilarious. I was almost going to a post an nt comment to that effect, and now I regret that I didn't...maybe it would have made Mike take another look at it. In any case, I hope this isn't the last we've seen of your 'A Premie' incarnation. Like I said, I find these posts really funny.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 18:35:22 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: JW Subject: I thought it was funny :) Message:

And I correctly identified the real author too. (But I can understand Mike's confusion after some of the more recent posts!). Love, Katie

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Date: Thurs, Mar 16, 2000 at 19:15:20 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Hi Katie Message:

Thanks. I've thought a lot about you recently. Hope all is going well. The Spring must be beautiful where you are.

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 03:12:04 (GMT) From: Tami Email: None To: JW / Katie Subject: hoo is apremie and hoo is a looser here? Message:

My brane is reely starting to hurt figuring out hoo is a premie and who is a looser here!! Pleese identiphy yrself when you post! I don't no if I shuld get mad or be happy that a premie brother or sister is posting! Bjorn are u Bjorn Borg the tenis playur? By his Luv and Grease. Tami Rainbow 4-ever 2-together with Maharaji

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:00:36 (GMT) From: Jackie Email: None To: Tami Rainbow Subject: A blast from the past! Message:

Tami, 'NIGHT AND DAY WITH YOU I'LL STAY'........HE REALLY SAID/SANG THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHILE DANCING ON A STAGE. Sorry to say he really did look rather silly. Please forgive me. BUT HE STILL WAS BEAUUUTIIIFULL!!!!!! Jackie

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Date: Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 22:08:53 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Jackie Subject: A blast from the past! Message:

'Night and day with you I'll stay'-I love those forced rhymes, they are delicious. Reminds me of some great Supremes tunes, with the forced syntax 'each day and night I live in misery, now that your love no longer I see' Remember the festival where Durga Ji sang 'Black is the Color of My Love's Hair'--that old folk song. Too bad she didn't sing the one about 'Come all ye fair and tender ladies.' By the way I am Tami Rainbow but feel free to post using her name--it's fun being a big dumb blonde chick with no brain!! Hey, it works for me--snicker. Take care, Helen

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 16:55:56 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Helen Subject: 'fun being a big dumb blonde chick with no brain' Message:

BLONDE JOKE There was a blonde named Candi. She had long, blonde hair, blue eyes, and she was sick of all the blonde jokes. So one day, she decided to get a makeover, so she cut and dyed her hair. She also went out and bought a new convertible. With her new car, she went driving down a country road and came across a flock of sheep. She stopped and called the shepherd over. 'That's a nice flock of sheep,' she said. 'Well, thank you,' said the shepherd. 'Tell you what... I have a proposition for you,' said the woman. 'Okay,' replied the shepherd. 'If I can guess the exact number of sheep in your flock, can I take one home?' asked the woman. 'Sure.' So, the girl sat up and looked at the flock for a second and then replied, '382.' 'Wow,' said the shepherd, 'that's amazing. You're exactly right. Go ahead and pick out the sheep you want to take home.' So the woman went and picked one out and put it in her car. The shepherd watched this and then said to her, 'Okay, now I have a proposition for you.' 'What's that?' she asked. 'If I can guess the real color of your hair, can I have my dog back?'

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 19:02:57 (GMT) From: Tami Email: None To: cq Subject: 'fun being a big dumb blonde chick with no brain' Message:

I don't get it!!!

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:37:35 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Tami Subject: unlike this blonde ... Message:

unlike this blonde ... CALLING MOM A blonde goes into a world wide message center to send a message to her mother in Poland. The man tells her it will be $300. She exclaims, 'I don't have any money, but I would do ANYTHING to get a message to my mother in Poland!' To that the man asks, 'Anything?' And the blonde says, 'Yes, anything!' With that, the man says, 'Follow me.' He walks into the next room and tells her, 'Come in and close the door.' She does. He then says, 'Take down my zipper.' She does. Then he says, 'Go ahead, take it out.' With that she takes it out and takes hold of it with both hands. The man then says, 'Well, go ahead!' She brings her mouth closer to it, and while holding it close to her lips, she says 'Hello... Mom?'

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Date: Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 23:19:36 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Tami Subject: Talk about a punchline! (nt) Message:

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