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Jean-Michel -:- Don't know what's Holy Breath? Get it online NOW!! -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 10:56:47 (GMT)
__ Robin Hood -:- Hello Mr. Nice Guy, Jean-Michel -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 11:12:06 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- OF COURSE they had a nice feeling! -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:20:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robin -:- I had a nice feeling. Period. -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:42:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Bullshit, Robin -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:48:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robin -:- It is not bullshit, Jimbo -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:54:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- You know that's bullshit Robin - and here's why -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:41:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ x%*#! -:- Now who's bullshitting? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:15:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Now who's bullshitting? - You are x%*#! -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:52:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x%*#! -:- Typical ex-premie garbage -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:07:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Typical premie evasion but read on -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:03:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Balls!!! -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:45:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Now who's bullshitting? Why you are, of course -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:25:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Hey Jim -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:16:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- I'm interested to know............... -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 15:57:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Hey jerk-off... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:15:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Hey jerk-off... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:10:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Hey jerk-off... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 22:40:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SO tell us -:- What have you done to help peace along? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:59:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Thanks for the red herring but........... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:12:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ You don't -:- do anything to spread peace, either! (nt) -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:29:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Hey jerk-off... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:46:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robin -:- To me it is not bullshit ,Sir Dave- and here's why -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 00:42:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- The 70% crap you mentioned, and the 30% good stuff -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 14:22:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ X#%*! -:- The 70% crap you mentioned, and the 30% good stuff -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:19:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- therapy -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:54:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- therapy in this case is just an analogy -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:12:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- therapy in this case is just an analogy -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 00:23:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Hey chickie -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:00:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Maharaji sitting on his ass -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:46:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Just snuck back in... -:- Thurs, Mar 23, 2000 at 03:03:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Well said, G..... see my post, too! -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 18:53:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Maharaji sitting on his ass -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:40:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Maharaji sitting on his ass -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 18:36:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Thanks, good posts, what I want to do is help on -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 19:29:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Ya do what ya can..... that's good 'nuf! -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 20:21:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:27:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed???? -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 00:29:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- I'm glad you had a good time Mr Dog but -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:20:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:39:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Me a sheep? Give ME a break and -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:36:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Yeah you. -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:07:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- My god Arnold, is that you, a gm follower? (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 23:22:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 22:56:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:16:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:37:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:10:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:48:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ x#%*! -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:46:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 06:50:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- rolling out the crap that Maharaji said he is God -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:11:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel premie -:- Of course I've sung Arti to him in 1996 -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:13:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Santyogashram -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:45:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- To this Robin, the (false)-Hooded man -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:55:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- One more troll that's going to disappear!!(nt) -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:34:25 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- It's only nice if you're a believer Robin -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:47:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- It's not Falling Wax, Anth. -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:40:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- It's not music either. -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:02:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Thor A. Zine -:- It's not Falling Wax, Anth. -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:58:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- It's not Falling Wax, Anth. -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:09:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Could be Buddy Holly? - but it ain't cricket(nt) -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:36:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ Ralph -:- Why Maharaji lost most of his devotees -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:33:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robin -:- It's only nice if you're a believer Robin -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:15:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- It's a feeling Robin. -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:15:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robin -:- But Antie, you are making a contradiction -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:35:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- So maybe God is snot after all... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:14:53 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Hello Mr. Nice Guy, Jean-Michel -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:00:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marion -:- I kneel down to kiss your lotus feet, Jean-Michel -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:21:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Actually what the problem is with 'nice' experienc -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:35:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Marion -:- You did not make it clear, Jean-Michel -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:20:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I'm not so sure your brain's still ok, then why -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:01:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marion -:- Are YOUR brain's still ok, Jean-Michel? -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:30:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Rawat's clarity sucks (nt) -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 04:02:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I kneel down to kiss your lotus feet, Jean-Michel -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:18:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Jean-Michel's Lotus Feet -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:02:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Marion -:- My answer will come, my dearest Anth -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:41:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Another question -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:17:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marion + Robin -:- Reply / Another question -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 09:03:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Willing to take it to a tribunal? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 18:28:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRY McLean -:- Out on a Limb -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 21:04:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Reply / Another question -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 14:56:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ marion -:- To Anth with the stinking feets -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:32:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Have you ever seen his feet? I did !!!! haha (nt) -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 18:12:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ian Dury -:- To Anth with the stinking feets -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:46:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Kissing Feet -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:21:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Kissing Feet -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:49:50 (GMT)

Sir Dave -:- What every premie needs -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:15:11 (GMT)
__ cq -:- What every premie needs -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:27:17 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- The impossible takes longer -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:17:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ cqg -:- The impossible takes ... a little longer -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:29:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- The impossible takes ... a little longer -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:13:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- It's just the inconceivable that takes forever... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:33:31 (GMT)
__ Reggie Dwight -:- What every premie needs -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 11:48:49 (GMT)

xx -:- An irish blessing -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 21:33:13 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- An irish blessing -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 23:58:09 (GMT)
__ __ xx -:- Should I believe in Lies? -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 06:52:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ xyz -:- If lying is bad... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:12:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ xx -:- If lying is bad... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:51:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- If lying is bad... why did M swear on the Bible: -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:44:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ xyz -:- I repeat... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:56:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ xx -:- Seek and you will find -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:33:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Just curious George -:- xx: Are you calling JM a lier? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:38:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Hey moron.... he asked a question -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:05:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ xx -:- Who is a moron and a liar? -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:05:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Who is a moron and a liar?M is -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:35:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Maharaji said that he wanted all single premies... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:59:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ xx -:- Mahraji did not -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:26:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- xx:Braking a oath with a lier is wrong? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 12:13:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Donnie -:- Braking an oath is wrong! -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 15:22:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Yes, he DID! -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:41:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ xx -:- Think, Mike -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:00:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Think, xx, when you've found your home ... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 21:33:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Try it yourself, you might like it! -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:41:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- AND, by the way you idiot -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:56:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ xyz -:- Three strikes.... I repeat: -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:08:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ xx -:- Three strikes.... I repeat:again for the last time -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:44:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- xx: Triple to you, darling....ROFL -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:18:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Three strikes.... I repeat:again for the last time -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:30:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Talk about walls of brick -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:47:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ xx -:- You should buy a pair of glasses, Mike -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:14:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- What exactly do you call intelligent conversation? -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:04:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bimbo the thichead -:- You surprise me, Jim -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:19:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- God, you caught me off guard for a moment -:- Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 15:51:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- LOL,LOL,LOL, ditto -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 16:53:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- No no no, Eat the hammer and give him head! -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 18:32:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:20:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Who is a moron and a liar? -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:42:21 (GMT)

Marianne -:- On the Road Again -OT -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:11:30 (GMT)
__ Monmot -:- Holy Water -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:27:36 (GMT)
__ gerry -:- Say a Novena at Lourdes for me, Marianne :-) nt -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:55:18 (GMT)

Mili -:- This is a fun site! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 15:42:25 (GMT)
__ I did it for -:- Maharaji. He will die in 2020!! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 21:21:19 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Maharaji. He will die in 2020!! -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:33:52 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- 'Statistics can lie' said the 470 happy Ugandans -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:58:52 (GMT)
__ __ G -:- Maharaji's millennial message -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:39:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mili -:- Maharaji's millennial message -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:12:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- You are so insightful ... -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 17:02:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ I can't believe -:- anyone actually wrote this. (nt) -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 05:34:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Maybe I'm crazy, but I coulda sworn he said ...... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 00:12:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- The quote of Maharaji re the year 2000 -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 03:09:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- Mili, read this quote, is this what you're saying? -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 03:25:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- Yes, he said he would bring peace to the earth and -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:07:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- He also talked about 'when the fighting starts'... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:39:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- M 'wishes' ..... -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:15:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- surviving doomsday -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:07:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- Holy crap! -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:07:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Holy crap is right -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:21:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- M is profanity incarnate -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:19:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- good point Mike -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 03:58:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- You said it, gerry! -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:33:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'He has perfect form'- Grand National awaits (nt) -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:43:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- How 'bout a simple triathlon? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:05:34 (GMT)
__ Mike -:- Honestly, Mili you MUST... -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:20:38 (GMT)
__ Grateful -:- Wrong Math Mili!-ADD 11 years for a man. -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 18:37:13 (GMT)
__ a True Lover -:- You see? You're going to DIE! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 17:48:40 (GMT)
__ __ Mili -:- You see? You're going to DIE! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 21:11:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- So what's so wrong about playing tennis, anyway? -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 22:05:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mili -:- So what's so wrong about playing tennis, anyway? -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 23:41:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- What's so wrong with the term 'Knowledge.' -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 02:47:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- What's so wrong with the term 'Knowledge.' -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 13:08:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- What's so wrong with the term 'Knowledge.' -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:12:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Typical Premie Cowardly Evasion -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 00:46:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Typical Premie Cowardly Evasion -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 13:22:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- 'Practicing Knowledge' does cost money and more -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:02:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- 'Practicing Knowledge' does cost money and more -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:46:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Ever the asshole -- you just don't get it -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:05:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Ever the asshole -- you just don't get it -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:39:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You did it AGAIN, you stupid, stupid fool!!! -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 00:59:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ audience -:- exit Mili stage left pursued by a bear (nt)? -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:23:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- Why are you being evasive? -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 00:33:00 (GMT)
__ __ Mike -:- You didn't fool me this time..... -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:02:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- You THINK so, eh? -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:41:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- OOPS! The gig is up. -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:08:49 (GMT)
__ __ Hal -:- You see? You're going to DIE! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 18:57:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- You're going to DIE SOONER! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:35:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- OOPS! The cat's out of the bag, ok, it was me. -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:04:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- You're on form G baby, Great Stuff! (nt) -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:01:25 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- On Death -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 18:22:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Famous last words: 'Oh shit, I'm dying' U2? (nt) -:- Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:00:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- By splitting a gut??? (NT) -:- Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 05:47:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Death's a way of NOT having to say 'I'm sorry' -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:11:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Death's a way of NOT having to say 'I'm sorry' -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 23:49:57 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- This is a fun site! -:- Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 17:47:42 (GMT)


Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 10:56:47 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Don't know what's Holy Breath? Get it online NOW!!
Message:
Just in case you don't know what's the mysterious thing vintage premies talk about ....

Get the Holy Breath! online NOW !!!

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 11:12:06 (GMT)
From: Robin Hood
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Hello Mr. Nice Guy, Jean-Michel
Message:
Are you so jealous? Some people had a nice experience.
What a nice, sincere and honest person you are, Jean-Michel.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:20:39 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Robin Hood
Subject: OF COURSE they had a nice feeling!
Message:
The nice feeling was the snug fit of the harness. The familiarity of the muzzle. Surrender to your breath, forsake your mind, kiss some idiot's feet and call him God. Try it, feels great!
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:42:32 (GMT)
From: Robin
Email: None
To: Jimbo
Subject: I had a nice feeling. Period.
Message:
Those things you mention, I didnt get. Did I miss anything???
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:48:21 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Robin
Subject: Bullshit, Robin
Message:
Robin,

We can resolve this in a second -- if you're honest:

Who do you think Maharaji is?

'I don't know' won't cut it. I'm asking for your best, honest opinion. Do you think he's the Lord in human form or not?

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:54:41 (GMT)
From: Robin
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It is not bullshit, Jimbo
Message:
Allow me to answer your question in this way.
.
In a country in Europe in the 70s there were a sect called something like 'I am’ers” (translated). Their religion had a quasi philosophical basis in the ideas of Jean Paul Sartre . What they said was: “I am, thus I exist.” They jumped to the conclusion however; “God is the only thing that exist, thus I am God”
Funny? Agree? But they believed it.

I know you have a tricky question? What ever I will answer, you will arrest me. Because you will come with the crap that Maharaji said he is God and roll it all out.

I read through some posts here and I know this has been quoted thousands of times. Especially by you.

The story is this. And since I did not stay in the US at that time, please tell me if I am misinformed.
Maharaji is 16. He is interviewed on a national TV. The reporter asks him: What will you tell your followers. And Maharaji tells something and then barely hearable says something like “and I am God”
To my knowledge, no press, no reporters react. There are no newspapers the next day stating “Guru claims to be God”.
The premies listen to the same tape some time later. Suddenly they discover “Wow, he said “ I am god”. The premies at this time do not react. Nobody really cares. And nobody seems to believe it. To them he is their Master. And nobody seem to believe that he meant it like that: “I AM GOD”. And nobody except a couple of nutheads go around preaching Maharaji is God”

The ashrams closes, people start to leave the ashram, and then this becomes an issue. “Maharaji is a liar. He said I am god.” After some time this becomes an excuse for the shortcoming in practicing the knowledge of Maharaji. Since he is lying, I dont believe in him”
And now for you, this statement has become a major reason for you to waste most of your time fighting Maharaji on this stupid internet?

Back to your question: I believe that Maharaji is a nice guy. He has never asked me for money. He is a working very hard. He has a lot of trust in God. He has a strong faith in what he is doing. He is very sincere, and has in my experience a lot of integrity. He is wise. He is constantly trying to inspire people. He gives a lot of inspiration He has wisdom. Is he divine? I dont know. Is God in him? I think so. Is he God? Definitely not. Do he have special gifts. To my experience, definitely. Is he a mystery? To me he still is. Do I believe he is the Lord? Sometimes I believe so, sometimes I dont. Do I have doubts about him. Sometimes I have faith and sometimes I doubt. That is the only thing I can say, Jimbo.
And rejoice Jean Michel, Marion and I are going to disappear, I just had a flu.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:41:51 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Robin
Subject: You know that's bullshit Robin - and here's why
Message:
If you were around in the early seventies or even mid seventies you'll know that the ONLY reason why we followed Maharaji was because he was the Lord - God in human form - Krishna incarnate - not Jesus but the Father come Himself - come with more power than ever before - omnipresent - the guy who said he could unzip the sky and poke his head out - the guy who said he could turn the universe round if Mike Finch did a u-turn on the motorway - the one we could all pray to and beg to - not a guru but God Himself

and I could go on. The first copy of 'Divine Times', hot off the press had as it's headline:

THE WEST GREETS THE LORD

Glen Whittaker will vouch for this because he was the one who showed us the first copy that evening in Saint Peter's Church Hall in Belsize Park and joked about the face of the (non premie) printer who had to do the print run.

Now Glen has got a rather short memory here but some of us have elephant's memories. Must be the ashram food, eh?

How anyone can possibly forget that the Lord had come with more power than ever before to save the planet, beats me.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:15:40 (GMT)
From: x%*#!
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Now who's bullshitting?
Message:
If you were around in the early seventies or even mid seventies you'll know that the ONLY reason why we followed Maharaji was because he was the Lord...

That's pure bullshit Dave! I really tire of you guys revising history to suit your bleak view of it. What about everyone else who responded to his offer, 'Come to me and I'll give you peace'. It was for the peace that I followed him, and it was the same for the premies that I knew who were the most down to earth.

If the only reason you followed him was because you thought he was God it shows what a blind follower you are and explains a lot about why you have such a bug up you ass today.

Just why the fuck would you follow someone for a number of years for the sole reason they claimed (either directly or obliquely) to be God without having some proof? You really are an idiot Dave. Those who came for the peace got their proof almost immediately.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:52:19 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: x%*#!
Subject: Now who's bullshitting? - You are x%*#!
Message:
You don't seem to be experiencing much peace, Mr x%*#!. Not judging by your language and general tone.

But answer me this; would you follow a person who once claimed to be God Almighty and then when he realised he couldn't keep up the act, changed himself into a mere 'master'?

Would you believe ANYTHING that such a bare faced liar and charlatan ever said?

If you would continue to follow such a deceitful person, then you have no sense of discrimination in you. And premies are following Maharaji and see him as their leader and figurehead. Why you choose to follow such an irresponsible and sleazy person as Maharaji is beyond me. But perhaps you have low standards.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:07:30 (GMT)
From: x%*#!
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Typical ex-premie garbage
Message:
You get called on your bullshit and you bobb and weave to change the subject. Fuck you're pathetic!
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:03:26 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: x%*#!
Subject: Typical premie evasion but read on
Message:
I haven't changed the subject. I am still talking about the sleazy charlatan who used to pretend he was God and then dropped the act when he realised he couldn't fool people any more. Like he'd bitten off more than he could chew.

He was riding high when he had a load of young, naive ex-hippies who believed everything he said because they'd been brainwashed to think he was the Lord by his footsoldiers, the Mahatmas and other people high up in the mission like Glen Whittaker, Rene Davies, etc etc.

But when those naive hippies grew older and saw thru Maharaji's nasty little control game, then Maharaji had lost his Ace. Nothing left in his hand to play except pretend to be a teacher or master. Maharaji knows he blew it. He knows but he won't admit it to you because as a premie, you're beneath contempt to him and are probably even more contempable in his eyes than the ex-premies.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:45:28 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Balls!!!
Message:
Watch and see how much he thinks he's blown it! Sorry to say Dave you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:25:27 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: x%*#!
Subject: Now who's bullshitting? Why you are, of course
Message:
Sure, sure, m said 'come to me, I will give you peace' and that's what you wanted ... blah, blah, blah. But why not tell the whole story? The 'peace' you wanted, the 'peace' he offered, was that available after surrendering the reigns of your life to the living Lord. Thus the Hindu devotional cult, all revolving around the indisputable fact that the Lord had incarnated and you could dissolve your individual self on his Holy Lotus Feet.

Great opportunity, no? Do you have any idea how lucky you are? How many true-hearted seekers (even truer than you, you little hippe, you) spent years and years searching for this Knowledge only to never find the true Master (the Living Lord) of their time? Lots. Lots and lots and lots. But you, dear aspirant, are truly so fortunate. For he has come, come to take you home.

Open up your heart to the universe of love and He will fill you up
Open up your heart to the universe of love and He will fill you up
The Lord of the Universe has come to us today!
The Lord of the Universe has come to us today!
The Lord of the Universe has come to us today!
And He's come to show us the light
And He's come to show us the love
And He's come to show us the way.......
Back to our Father

Remember?

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:16:01 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey Jim
Message:
I'm not the one lying about everyone's motivation for following Maharaji. Dave's the one bullshitting about that. And as far as I'm concerned peace IS the whole story. But that's a story you wouldn't have a clue about.
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 15:57:08 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: I'm interested to know...............
Message:
If you've really found peace. Do you think M has a monopoly on it? Also I've noticed that you react strongly when a new ex comes on to the forum like myself and Ian Dury. Why does it bug you that we choose to leave?
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:15:29 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Hey jerk-off...
Message:
It really is very arrogant of you to assume that all the exes here believed that m was then Lord Incarnate when we received k.
I know for myself that it was the 'PEACE' that served as the bait by which I was drawn towards m and k.
And I DID experience peace in meditation. And I DID get buzzed out listening to satsang back in those early days, and what I heard in satsang from mahatmas, members of m's 'Holy Family,' and even from the little hampster himself, was that if you wanted to go further along the path of experiencing this peace that dwells within, well then....you need to be devoted to Guru Maharaji. You need to have that connection to Guru Maharaji.
That in essence was the message back then, and I'm here to tell you that it hasn't changed. I can rember very distinctly m saying around 1996-97 something to this effect.

What I'm offering you is a complete package. You have your connection to the Knowledge within you, and you have the connection to the Master.
Which one is more important? I'd say that if you had to choose one to be more important, then its your connection to the Master which you should take care of first.

So even in the modern era, up until the time I left the cult in 1998, it remained a 'cult of personality', or even worse a 'cult of idolatry'. Maharaji himself reinforced this with his own words such as those I've paraphrased above, and in video after video but most notably in 'Now and Forever,' THE cult classic video of the 90's.

You see I have a hard time believing that you're really sincere in saying that as far as your concerned 'peace is the whole story'. No pal, there's something else going on with this cult and the deeper you get into it, it becomes increasingly impotant to be 'serving the Master'. In essence, that's what 'participation' is all about.
Peace is the bait and has always been. Devotion to Maharaji, idolizing Maharaji, serving Maharaji ...that's the switch, and that too has always been the case.
It really is the cassic 'bait and switch' that we're talikng about here.
After all it IS a cult. Whaddya expect?

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:10:44 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Hey jerk-off...
Message:
It really is very arrogant of you to assume that all the exes here believed that m was then Lord Incarnate when we received k.

Pay attention Joey! That was Dave's claim and I was disputing it.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 22:40:52 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Hey jerk-off...
Message:
Obviously you have no reponse to the fact that the 'peace' you speak of is the bait to draw people towards m and k, but that devotion to and idolizing of Maharaji is the switch.

I can understand that. It really is difficult to deny.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:59:07 (GMT)
From: SO tell us
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: What have you done to help peace along?
Message:
You talk a good game, but we haven't seen you walk an inch, yet!
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:12:58 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: SO tell us
Subject: Thanks for the red herring but...........
Message:
I don't eat fish.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:29:28 (GMT)
From: You don't
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: do anything to spread peace, either! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:46:15 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Hey jerk-off...
Message:
Yeah, peace. You said it.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 00:42:29 (GMT)
From: Robin
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: To me it is not bullshit ,Sir Dave- and here's why
Message:
Sir Dave
I never believed in what people said. When I came to Knwowledge, I thougt 70 % was crap. I received Knowledge and to me it was the ultimate experience of my life. In fact also later in my life, I had the most profound experiences. I did not understand a lot, and I still dont.
I find the discussion about who Maharaji is, worthless.
I find pleasure in feeling joy and contentment. My life is like a rollercoaster, sometimes I have a couple of million bucks, sometimes I lose it. A tread in my life, however is that I have this Knowledge. I can feel something, I have hope for the future, I feel protected and I feel gratitude that I am alive, even if I have gone through some really heavy stuff in this 'world'. My faith is tiny, but it is there. I never was 'close' to Maharaji, but I have witnessed hundreds of miracles in my life
To me it does not matter, if Maharaji was a shoesalesman, or if he was the lord, if he helped me to find my peace, my joy, I could not care less.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 14:22:12 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Robin
Subject: The 70% crap you mentioned, and the 30% good stuff
Message:
I'm trying to extricate myself from the 70% crap you mentioned. You were fortunate to not get as sucked up in it as others.

The problem is that there is still crap going on with the premies, Maharaji, and Elan Vital. There is no real feedback mechanism. Many 'premies' or 'people with Knowledge' still have a lot of crazy ideas about Maharaji, like how 'Knowledge' works by some magical 'grace' that Maharaji has, and that he is God. Yes, a lot of premies still believe that. I feel that Maharaji is abusing the situation and is reinforcing these crazy ideas. He could set a better example if he tried, instead of glorifying himself and indulging in excessive wealth. He does have an very overrated opinion of himself.

I also have had profound experiences and have felt joy and contentment. I don't think 'Knowledge' is all bad, far from it, I think there is something to it. But I feel that Maharaji should make an effort to clean things up, especially himself.

I think part of the effect of 'Knowledge' has to do with 'faith', some would say a 'placebo effect'. That's not to say the effect isn't real. But why not simplify it and see that, as Maharaji said, it is within? I would say it - awareness - is simply within. The problem is, he doesn't go far enough in terms of 'simplicity', he says 'you need a Master', meaning him, the one and only Master. I grew tired of hearing that again and again and again. I was going to videos to get inspired, not to here how I need him. It's like going to a therapist who keeps telling you, 'You need me, you need to keep coming back to me.', and that is his main message. This therapist keeps telling you how great he is instead of just doing his job. Very strange. He is fostering dependancy.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:19:55 (GMT)
From: X#%*!
Email: None
To: G
Subject: The 70% crap you mentioned, and the 30% good stuff
Message:
If you listen to him you will hear about the importance of the therapist AND the importance of the therapy. YOU need a reality check G. Try getting therapy without a therapist. What kinda head game you wanna play with yourself?
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:54:00 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: X#%*!
Subject: therapy
Message:
If you listen to him you will hear about the importance of the therapist AND the importance of the therapy. YOU need a reality check G. Try getting therapy without a therapist. What kinda head game you wanna play with yourself?

I did listen to him.

When you go to a good therapist, they don't need to talk about how important they are, it's self-evident. So why is Maharaji so insecure, why does he keep repeating how great he is?

Talking about the importance of the therapy is not the same as providing therapy. What is this therapy he's talking about? Mainly he talks about keeping in touch with him and serving him, he talks a lot less about doing the techniques, and hardly anything about the techniques. Hearing about how I need to listen to him and serve him does me no good at all, it only serves him. In his mind, it's all about himself. Regarding the techniques, how much clarity does he provide about them, not much, it fact, he confuses the issue with his concepts.

When does he talk about doing charity, environmental action, being kind to others, loving the people around you, or other forms of inspiration?

Therapy, i.e. inspiration, is available elsewhere. There's life beyond Maharaji. Open your heart.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:12:09 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: G
Subject: therapy in this case is just an analogy
Message:
Maharaji is NOT a therapist, neither is Knowledge therapy. Such parallels only go so far. If you could understand what they ARE you’d understand the importance of each in relation to the other. (And don’t ask me what they are, please.)

But hey if doing so-called charitable work or saving the environment makes you happy what’s stopping you? By all means go ahead, dish out a dose of palliative care with the rest of the world if it’s your thing. Meanwhile he seems to be the only one who's focusing on the disease.

By the way G what DO you actually do about the world’s ills? Or are you one of these people who just sit on their ass bitching and complaining that someone should be doing something about it.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 00:23:45 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: therapy in this case is just an analogy
Message:
Maharaji is NOT a therapist

You got that right. In fact, there are reports of him and his brother going to therapists. Some people have gone to therapists to get over the cult damage.

neither is Knowledge therapy

Given that a lot of premies have psychological problems, I would agree.

If you could understand what they ARE you’d understand the importance of each in relation to the other.

I know quite well what they ARE. Are you saying that there are defective people unable to understand m&k?

By saying 'the importance of each in relation to the other', you are implying that 'Knowledge' does not work without Maharaji, that he has some magical 'grace'. That 'Knowledge' is NOT within me, only a PART of 'Knowledge' is within me, and that Maharaji has the rest of it, the key. That is an insult to all human beings.

And don’t ask me what they are, please.

Why not? What are you afraid of? Don't you understand what they are, or are you ashamed?

What is Maharaji? What is Knowledge?

if doing so-called charitable work or saving the environment makes you happy

It's not about making me happy, it's about doing some good. And why do you say 'so-called'?

By all means go ahead, dish out a dose of palliative care with the rest of the world if it’s your thing.

That's a pretty demeaning attitude you have towards other human beings and towards compassion.

Meanwhile he seems to be the only one who's focusing on the disease..

Oh yes, and he's doing surgery with his Rolex watches. He's supposedly been at it for many years; I don't see 'the disease' vanishing. You have a strange notion of what 'the disease' is. And how would you know, have you looked around? Exactly how is 'practicing Knowledge' going to help save our environment, etc.? That takes ACTION. Knowledge meditation and worshipping Maharaji is what it is. It is not a cure for the worlds ills. Do you think that people not doing that is what is 'wrong' with the world? Tell that to a starving child.

what DO you actually do about the world’s ills?

I've contributed to environmental groups and charities, probably more than Prem Rawat has. I intend to do a lot more now, since now I'm seeing through Mr. Rawat's confusion. Until recently, I was still listening to him.

Or are you one of these people who just sit on their ass bitching and complaining that someone should be doing something about it.

You mean like Prem Rawat?

Thank you for clarifying things.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:00:26 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Hey chickie
Message:
Or are you one of these people who just sit on their ass bitching and complaining that someone should be doing something about it.

You mean like Prem Rawat?

In case you hadn't noticed Maharaji has spent a good deal of his life working to try and help a hell of a lot of people, including you. Of course in your curent state of mind you wouldn't allow yourself to see it that way but I can say without any hesitation he's done a fuck of a lot more in that respect than donate to a few charities. But by all means keep up all that good work if it gives you a buzz.

You have no idea what you're talking about G and you make me laugh.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:46:13 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Maharaji sitting on his ass
Message:
I was referring to him complaining about how mankind is destroying the environment, then doing nothing about it. Quite the contrary, he said 'I'm not an environmentalist.' That's just one example of his discouraging constructive action. He consumes far more than his share of natural resources and his plane belches a great deal of pollution. So who is he to complain about the environment being destroyed? Remember DUO? What a bait and switch ruse that was.

He doesn't care about helping people, he just wants their money and adoration.

Apparently you can't read, I wrote that the purpose of good work is not to make oneself happy, nor is it to get a buzz. Is that all you can think of, getting a buzz? You sound like an addict, and apparently you don't care about the welfare of others. Addicts usually don't.

Where is the love and peace that Maharaji has shown you? I don't sense it in your writing.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 23, 2000 at 03:03:59 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: G
Subject: Just snuck back in...
Message:
Gotta say this, G. Whoever you are, you do some great posts. It might not take an awful lot of (any?) effort to make x#%*! look stupid, but you go the extra mile.. Good stuff.
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 18:53:21 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Well said, G..... see my post, too!
Message:
G: It's just another stupid attempt by a premie to justify their lack of initiative and action. They just don't care! Why? Because their lord and massa doesn't care! My post echos yours and answers his 'it doesn't work' charge, as well. He's so full of sh_t! He doesn't know a damned thing about the environmental issue or he would already KNOW that it's living or dying based SOLELY upon individual action! The governments can't clean it all up.... WE have to do it, FIRST! Once each individual sees it as a major priority (and is actually DOING something about it), then the governments will too, if they want to survive the next election! Companies will follow suit if they want customers.... it's really pretty simple.

This guy has the very old, and very stupid, idea that you have to pull the horse with the cart! The cart (governments, companies, etc) will never move until the horse (us) pulls it! Even when they DO move, it isn't fast enough unless WE EACH HELP! Imagine how quickly the exxon valdez accident would have been mitigated had a large, organized group of citizens (premies come to mind) volunteered to help? Instead, they spend their time and money chasing a globe-trotting, self-agrandizing fraud around the globe...... Oh, now that's environmentally sound!

Before this idiot asks, the answer is YES, I did volunteer but my employer (the military) said I couldn't go at that time! They had very good reasons for refusing my request..... otherwise I would have been permitted to go.... and THAT is a fact!

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:40:18 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Maharaji sitting on his ass
Message:
Where is the love and peace that Maharaji has shown you? I don't sense it in your writing.

That's because right now I'm expressing my disdain for your idiocy G. You're proudly prescribing a solution for this planet that's being tried as we speak and going nowhere. Do you really think him not flying would make a difference to the outcome of the environmental issue? You are either extremely naive or an idiot.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 18:36:30 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Maharaji sitting on his ass
Message:
x#%*!: YOu said, '....You're proudly prescribing a solution for this planet that's being tried as we speak and going nowhere. Do you really think him not flying would make a difference to the outcome of the environmental issue? You are either extremely naive or an idiot.....'

You are wrong on several points. The solutions being tried ARE working. It takes time to correct problems that took years to create. DOING NOTHING NEVER FIXED ANYTHING! NEVER! We, volunteers here in Arizona, recently completed cleaning up an entire river system. Pollution sources, gone! Non-native species, gone! Don't tell me that individual action doesn't work! That's just your justification for not doing anything, yourself. It may work on you, but your self-lie doesn't work on me or anyone else that is trying to do something about it. So, I suppose that sticking your tongue into your nasal cavity is going to correct all of those problems...... Tell me again, who's in lala-land?

Yes, flying with other passengers on a commercial airline DOES make a difference on a tons-of-pollution 'per person moved' basis. Would you like to know how many TONS of pollutants his plane puts out per hour flown? YES, by his NOT flying his own PERSONAL JETLINER-FOR-ONE, he would make a large difference and would also set an excellent example for everyone that follows him. By doing other environmentally sound things and encouraging his premies to do the same, he could make a big difference, as well. Your attempts to justify his lack of action don't wash..... YOU are, in fact, the IDIOT for trying to do it! Be honest, you could actually give a sh_t whether the environment is crap or not..... just so long as you have your precious guru.... What a sick puppy you are!

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 19:29:54 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Thanks, good posts, what I want to do is help on
Message:
the internet. I started work on an environmental site, but then stopped working on it. I should get back to it.
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 20:21:26 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Ya do what ya can..... that's good 'nuf!
Message:
G: No one can do everything, but if everyone did what they could, not only would we correct the mistakes of the past, we would actually be ahead of the game. Hey, wading around in some back country rivers and creeks isn't for everyone! When it's really cold, I begin to wonder if it's for me..... he he he :-)

Eventually, I probably won't be able to volunteer the way that I have in the past. Hopefully, that's a ways off in the future, but when it does happen I'll change gears and find another way to help.

The funny thing is this..... you know me and you know some of my background. You know that I'm pretty conservative, too. Politics has nothing to do with action when there is a unversally understood need to act. This one's a no-brainer! Personally, I believe in President Bush's 'thousand points of light....'

If we all take responsibility for the mess and each try to do something to fix it or make more folks aware of the problems that they can actually help with, then we've got a decent shot! Sitting around, wringing our hands, wracking our brains and tsk.tsk.tsking isn't going to get it done!

Expecting the government to take care of it is just laziness, IMHO. Jeez, what makes people think that Clinton or Gore or any other political figure is uniquely qualified to administer the environment? That's like taking life-lessons or advice from a movie star..... they have no idea what 'reality' is, they're too busy ACTING like they are doing something rather than actually doing it. Do people believe that Tom Cruise could actually fly a fighter? Do they believe he could be a SEAL? Then why ask a politician to figure out environmental issues and make the correct decisions or provide anything other that leadership when the peddle-hits-the-metal? Do ANY of them have degrees in the subject? Not that I recall!

It's up to US, the people, the scientists, the individual, to get the ball rolling. All we can or should expect from the government is some money, when needed..... or maybe some help in the leadership department when the going requires a larger endeavor. I ask one last question to clarify..... Does anyone actually believe that Bill Gates could write the Windows/NT operating system? OF COURSE NOT..... even though he actually was a programmer at one time, he's not anymore. He has no more idea what the code actually looks like than the man in the moon. So why do we think that government should be the one to correct a problem about which they haven't got the foggiest notion? IMHO, we shouldn't..... WE should take responsibility and take the initiative. Well, that's already happening.... it just needs to get larger.

Of course, I know that I'm preaching to the choir.... sorry.... this subject really gets me going..... especially when people like this premie try to weasel their way out of the need for personal responsibility by saying it's no use to try..... What a weak-willed individual this must be. They can't even act when the lives of their children and grandchildren depend on it.... How selfish can a person get? How lazy? How insignificant? ..... Oh.... there I go again!

Let me know when you get the site up. I'd be very interested in seeing it! :-)

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:27:44 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Robin
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
Because the directions were clear enough - give your all to satguru, sacrifice your all to satguru. Can't be any simpler than that, can it.

So you were not a premie during Maharaji's main reign as the Lord of the Universe. Perhaps you were a fringe premie but you were not a fully paid up and surrendered devotee of Maharaji.

Therefore you cannot comment with any validity upon what we are saying.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 00:29:06 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed????
Message:
Sir Dave,

You said, 'Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin.' What is this 'as directed' crap!

We did satsang, service and we meditated. We read what we wanted, ate what we wanted, wore what we wanted, did what we wanted, voted how we wanted. I think the word is relaaaaxed! Hinduism is relaxed.

There was never any fear of being ex-communicated. There were only a few rules:
- Always have faith in God
- Never delay in attending satsang
- Leave no room for doubt in your mind
- Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.

That was oppressive? I don't think so. I had a good time.

-- Dogg

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:20:56 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: I'm glad you had a good time Mr Dog but
Message:
Whether or not you had a good time is not the issue here, at the moment. What is at issue is that Maharaji lied a big, big lie and kept up that lie for as long as he could in order to extract as much money from the premies as possible.

If you had a good time, that's fine by me. But what about the issue of having a 'teacher' who has been known to be such a bare faced liar? Could you ever listen to him again?

Well, for me personally, I could never listen to a single word that he uttered, ever again.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 20:39:35 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
And you did Dave!!!!?????????? Give me a fucking break! You were a good little sheep that couldn't think for themself, didn't take risks, and probably had a hard time wiping his own ass. Maharaji didn't prescribe that. He prescribed a life for free and strong people who were willing to take a journey that would demand everything, not sheep.

Yeah, if I were you I’d probably be a little disgusted with myself too. But this bullshit and chest thumping of yours won’t change a sheep into a lion. Maybe if you'd face the truth about yourself you'd have a fighting chance. But what chance of that?

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:36:37 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Me a sheep? Give ME a break and
Message:
don't make me laugh. I'm the world's worst person at following anyone. But the reason why I made an exception with Maharaji was because I had been programmed every night and every day to believe he was the Lord.

So I sincerely followed him the best I could and put away my natural tendency to rebel against authority. Why didn't you do the same?

Oh I get it. You didn't believe Maharaji when he said he was God manifest in human form but for some remarkable reason, you'll believe anything he says now.

That, my dear chap, is idiotic.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:07:55 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Yeah you.
Message:
I'm the world's worst person at following anyone. But the reason why I made an exception with Maharaji was because I had been programmed every night and every day to believe he was the Lord.

Bullocks! A leopard doesn't change its spots over night Dave. You are what you were what you are. If you followed someone like a sheep, you were a sheep. Face up to it pal, there's no harm. But just don't make excuses for your spinelessness. It insults my intelligence.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 23:22:16 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: My god Arnold, is that you, a gm follower? (nt)
Message:
!a
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 22:56:41 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
And you did Dave!!!!?????????? Give me a fucking break! You were a good little sheep that couldn't think for themself, didn't take risks, and probably had a hard time wiping his own ass. Maharaji didn't prescribe that. He prescribed a life for free and strong people who were willing to take a journey that would demand everything, not sheep. (emphasis my own)

Where's THAT prescription you speak of? Have you ever sung or heard the opening lines of arti?
Jai gurudeva Maharaji,
Your glory fills the world,
Protector of the weary and the weak...

How do you associate freedom and strength with people who are weary and weak??

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:16:22 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
A strong person knows their weaknesses. Such is the paradox Joey. Think you can live with it?
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:37:39 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
I have no problem living with that.

But remember, the words are... protector of the weary and the weak and NOT... protector of those who are strong and therefore know their weaknesses.

So I have a question for you.

How does a person who's weary and weak know his/her strength ?

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:10:08 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
Everyone feels weary and weak from time to time. Now, you figure out the rest.
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:48:30 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
x#%*! responded:
Everyone feels weary and weak from time to time. Now, you figure out the rest.

Now that's NOT an honest answer.

You see there's a difference between feeling 'weary and weak from time to time', as you put it...and calling out to Maharaji as a 'beggar', remember:

Jai Gurudeva Maharaji
Your glory fills the world
Protector of the weary and the weak...

BUT, you don't really want to acknowledge your idolatry of m and prefer to hide behind your vacuous and bullshit revisionist claim that m's trip is really about 'peace' and whatever else you're peddling :)

Thanks for the laugh!

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:46:48 (GMT)
From: x#%*!
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
Sure Joe, tell yourself whatever story you want. Who's to challenge an idiot who thinks he knows it all?
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 06:50:15 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: x#%*!
Subject: Then you never followed Maharaji as directed Robin
Message:
You're the one with the 'story' pal...the story that 'peace is really what it's all about' in m's world.

As far as this is concerned:

Who's to challenge an idiot who thinks he knows it all?

Hey, you're being challenged here left, right and centre! What more do you want!? :::)))

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:11:42 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Robin
Subject: rolling out the crap that Maharaji said he is God
Message:
Are you drawing a distinction between the Lord and God?

Just one of many examples:

In the Peace Bomb satsang, Maharaji stated:

In the Bhagavad Gita, the Lord says that whenever religion becomes corrupted and evil increases, He takes a human body and manifests in this world to destroy evil and to protect His devotees. All of you must know very well what is happening to religion and Knowledge in the materialistic age. All the time, the latest models are being built, the latest fashions are being designed. Day by day men are striving to improve the quality and appearance of their inventions. And today I have to say with sorrow that the Knowledge which was once firmly established in this land of India has been slowly disappearing. But when the Lord saw that the troubles His devotees were having to endure had reached the final point, He said, 'My devotees can bear it no longer', and then manifested Himself in a human body. So He has now come to reveal the lost Knowledge and to restore true peace. The Lord, the True Saint, the True Guru Maharaj Ji has incarnated in this world. So, in this ground, where one moment ago I expressed sorrow, I now praise the fate of India. I do not have the words to express how fortunate we are that the Lord's Grace always saves us from destruction and makes us His lovers.

Was he speaking of some other Guru Maharaj Ji? If so, you're following the wrong Master.

Maharaji, then Guru Maharaj Ji, had premies sing Arti to him for many years, twice a day for ashram premies, and btw he wrote the ashram manual and said he wanted all single premies to move into the ashram. In Arti, there is a line:

You are the Superior Power in Person.

Is there some other Superior Power than God?

Did you ever sing this to him?

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:13:14 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel premie
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Of course I've sung Arti to him in 1996
Message:
like thousands of other westerners. In Santyogashram.

I guess all premies still sing it everyday at programs in India today.

I'll have to put together a new page on Santyogashram one of these days. I took plenty of pictures there !!!

Poor Prempal, I'm giving him a hard time. But I know he's so compassionate, you know, he's always forgiven all my sins....

How many powers he still has you think? 64? 128? 1 or 2? The power to make pams freak out? That's all? Hahahaha.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:45:29 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel premie
Subject: Santyogashram
Message:
There is a journey by 'Father Love', who described the quarters for the common ashram premie as being pretty bad. He said the medical hut was filthy, but that Rawat's palace had statues, fountains, etc. I tend to believe him, as hard as it is to, because of the conditions at Amaroo and La Tierra de L'Amour when I was there, and also the conditions of the American ashrams years ago. Heaven forbid that Rawat opens up new ashrams.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:55:40 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: The Hooded man-falsehood
Subject: To this Robin, the (false)-Hooded man
Message:
To this Robin, the (false)-Hooded man

you say:'the crap that Maharaji said he is God'

OK, never mind that crap for the moment, what about this crap:

'I swear on the Bible I will establish peace in this world'

Click here for proof that the Maha claimed this.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:34:25 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: One more troll that's going to disappear!!(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:47:49 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robin Hood
Subject: It's only nice if you're a believer Robin
Message:
Hi Robin,

this may be difficult for you to swallow, but if you take away all you programmed thoughts about who Miraji is and what is knowledge, you're left with very little- following your breath, looking at the same patterns everyone else sees when they rub their eyes, listening to the sound of falling wax, and my personal favorite- licking snot.

By no stretch of the imagination can any of these experiences be called divine, unless you've been through a programming course, become convinced, and, for whatever reason, not rejected it yet.

It's time you wised up. If this incredible experience of snot licking is supposed to be direct contact with the source of life, then infinity is much, much smaller than I thought. If God fits into a kleenex, then the universe must be made of mucous.

And if this experience is so great and mind blowing, how come 95% of those who get it quit? And most of those still hanging around this wierd group of cult members don't even bother to experience the divine most of the time.

Wake up Robin. It's all over (and we haven't even started discussing the perfect one's shortcomings yet)

Anthanadale

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:40:34 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: It's not Falling Wax, Anth.
Message:
When you close up your ears, the low thrumming sound you hear is your circulatory system; the high ringing sound is your nervous system. I also heard crickets now and then. I don't know where that comes from. But I liked it. Still hear 'music' now and then. 'Course, the whole thing got me a lot more high when I tried to erase my mind and turn into Maharaj Ji's love slave.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:02:09 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: It's not music either.
Message:
Hi Gregg,

The best place to hear music is when it's played live, by musicians. Second best is on a good hi-fi.

The best place to hear crickets is in a field, on a sunny day. If you think you've got some in your head, you could be going insane.

Anth the musical insect lover

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:58:47 (GMT)
From: Thor A. Zine
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: It's not Falling Wax, Anth.
Message:
Okay, I get what you are saying about that Wax. But try to explain away that voice saying that the CIA is trying to stop me from telling the World I am Jesus and that space aliens are sticking probes up my every orifice at night! Explain those away will ya?
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:09:16 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Gregg, you are Jesus
Subject: It's not Falling Wax, Anth.
Message:
Gregg, you are Jesus, and the CIA are trying to stop the world finding out. The reason the aliens are probing you is to discover the true nature of the Christ Child.

It's OK, you're not paranoid. It really is happening.

Anth (your heavenly father from Saturn)

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:36:13 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Thor A. Zine
Subject: Could be Buddy Holly? - but it ain't cricket(nt)
Message:
Could be Buddy Holly? - but it ain't cricket(nt)
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:33:36 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Why Maharaji lost most of his devotees
Message:
Anth, I should inform you that Maharaji's view on why 95% of people have left the trip is because they were never sincere in the first place. That's how Maharaji sees it and that's what he tells people.

In other words, those insincere people who got K in the seventies were just chaff. Only the wheat is left now Anth. Such people as Robin and Marion are the wheat.

Everyone else is just chaff. You were never sincere Anth, neither was JW, Jim, myself or any other of the now ex-premies. That's why we devoted our lives to Maharaji for over a decade - because we were not sincere.

PS I don't think I can keep up the act for too long. Any time now someone is going to suggest I watch a Maharaji video and then that's me finished.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:15:04 (GMT)
From: Robin
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: It's only nice if you're a believer Robin
Message:
Hi Antie,
When I take away my programming, I am left with a nice feeling.
Or do you suggest that my feelings are programmed?
What are you left with? When you remove your programming?
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:15:15 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robin
Subject: It's a feeling Robin.
Message:
Hi Robin,

I'm also left with a nice feeling. In fact several nice feelings.

A feeling that I've rejoined the human race. That I've finally kicked off the mental shackles of being in a cult.

A feeling that I no longer have to believe that Maharaji is the Lord.

A feeling that I'm no longer obliged to suspend my judgement and intelligence, and swallow buckets of bullshit when I discuss Maharaji and knowledge.

A feeling that I no longer believe myself superior to the rest of the human race, ie, one of the chosen ones who knows the Lord is here.

A feeling that I'm no longer obliged to humiliate myself in his presence.

A feeling that I've taken responsibility for my own life again.

A feeling that I'm not scared to criticise my old Master now I've fired him.

A feeling that life is turning out much better since I quit toe kissing.

A feeling that I'm no longer stuck up a road to nowhere.

A feeling that life is beautiful.

A feeling that love has nothing whatsoever to do with Maharaji and 'knowledge'.

A feeling that God is more than snot.

I could go on all night, but it's my wife's birthday soon, and she spotted this toilet seat cover with Jesus on, that she wants me to buy for her, so I'm outa here before the shop shuts.

Anth the feeling better than ever now I'm free.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:35:02 (GMT)
From: Robin
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: But Antie, you are making a contradiction
Message:
Hi Antie
Feelings are feelings. You can feel warm, cold, happy or whatever.

Those things you mention are conseptual things. That means btw you cannot feel that god is not snot.

Please explain to someone not so wise.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:14:53 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robin
Subject: So maybe God is snot after all...
Message:
...is that what you're trying to tell me Robin.

Or is it that all my experiences are conceptual, and all yours are real?

And while we're on the subject of concepts, what about that big fat concept, sitting in your head on a throne, wearing a Krishna crown, called 'Perfect Master'?

Don't tell me Robin, you 'experience it' right?

Pass the barf bags out.

Anth the Concept

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:00:02 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Robin Hood
Subject: Hello Mr. Nice Guy, Jean-Michel
Message:
I did too!!!!!! That's the problem!!
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:21:36 (GMT)
From: Marion
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: I kneel down to kiss your lotus feet, Jean-Michel
Message:
You are the greatest, the most sincere, the person with the highest integrity, I bow down to you.
But what a smell!
Didnt you wash your feet?
Please do so.
But what did you mean was the problem? That you were jealous or that you had a nice experience? I did not understand???? May a nice experience be a problem? Please explain to your most sincere devotee.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:35:41 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Marion
Subject: Actually what the problem is with 'nice' experienc
Message:
is that you shouldn't go after it for the mere reason it's nice!!!!!! This is what's wrong!

Lots of stuff give you nice experiences. You also have to use your brain, that's why you have it, and not rely on your feelings ('heart') only !!!!!!

Of course that's not what Mr Rawat says, and I don't agree with him on this !!!!

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:20:10 (GMT)
From: Marion
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: You did not make it clear, Jean-Michel
Message:
What do you mean? A nice experience is no good? Should I not go for it?

Did Maharaji say you should not use your brain? Why does he talk about no-brainers?

Please share your incredible wisdom with me, love Marion

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:01:11 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Marion
Subject: I'm not so sure your brain's still ok, then why
Message:
bother discussing this?

This is a very simple issue, and becomes the 1000 $ question when you're brainwashed.

I've seen both side of the coins, and I feel much safer this side!

Entire books I've been written on this very issue, and I don't have any simple convincing sentence to summerize this.

Why don't you read 'The Guru Papers' for instance. That's my answer.

Very toxic stuff might make you feel like in heaven, you KNOW this ... Whilst you're intoxicated it's impossible to know what's wrong. When you surrender to someone, you can be actually manipulated to no end.

This is a very common issue. Nothing special to Mr Rawat.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:30:38 (GMT)
From: Marion
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Are YOUR brain's still ok, Jean-Michel?
Message:
Might stupidity be contagious? I must admit, I am not so bright, but I am a bit dissapointed about your clarity. May be you need a holiday? Love Marion
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 04:02:23 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Marion
Subject: Rawat's clarity sucks (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:18:55 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Marion
Subject: I kneel down to kiss your lotus feet, Jean-Michel
Message:
Haha.....

You'll have to show your smartcard first!

I don't trust you simply because you say you're my devotee!!

Remember the story of the ant of sugar and the ant of salt?

Maybe the smell's stuck in your nose somewhere? You'll need to read morz about the truth, and share some of your genuine feelings before I trust you .....


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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:02:44 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marion
Subject: Jean-Michel's Lotus Feet
Message:
Marion,

Your post seems to be nothing more than verbal abuse.

And what is Jean-Michel's crime, simply presenting a few salient facts.

You and the other odd premies around here are the only ones into toe kissing. You'd line up to put some dosh in an envelope, then kiss Miraji's feet at the drop of a hat, wouldn't you?

And as for Jean-Michel, well, having had him walking around our flat without his shoes, I can assure, that like most Frenchmen, he keeps himself impeccably clean and smart.

So Marion, can you think of anything to say that one might expect to hear from someone who can string two coherent thoughts together? Come on, surprise us. Or are we going to get another, 'Ner, ner, na, ner ner. You stink too Anth'.

Anth of the Holy Flesh and Bone Feet.

PS Marion, you're in a CULT. Bet you never thought life would turn out like that did you? And you thinking you were a disciple of the living lord and all. Ah well, you can't win 'em all. Better get back under your blanket before you start thinking for yourself again.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:41:54 (GMT)
From: Marion
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: My answer will come, my dearest Anth
Message:
as soon as Jean-Michel answer my question and you answer Robins question, Love Marion
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 16:17:14 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marion
Subject: Another question
Message:
Are you the Marion who I know and love, and lives next door to my best friend?

Anth

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 09:03:44 (GMT)
From: Marion + Robin
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Reply / Another question
Message:
My dearest Anth of the Forum
Depends on who your best friend is:
Robin and I had a flu, but now we are fine. So we go back to work.
We were looking for proper answers from you, Jean Michel and Jim (Jimmie Boy /Jimbo) The pathetic stuff you guys wrote, flunked in our jugdement. Since our posts were replied with lack of intelligence, and we did not laugh so much after all, we decided not to write here anymore. Robin says Stupidity is contageous. Some people here at the Forum are unable to read and understand more than one sentence.
Bye Bye sweetie,
Love Marion
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 18:28:02 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Marion + Robin
Subject: Willing to take it to a tribunal?
Message:
I dare you to find someone outside the cult who'll support your opinion as to how this dialogue unfolded. No one in their right mind (i.e. not a premie) would ever concur.

By the way, have I called you an 'asshole' yet?

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 21:04:08 (GMT)
From: gErRY McLean
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Out on a Limb
Message:
Oh god I hate it when my compulsions take control...but may I speculate and say yes, Jim you have called this person an 'asshole' because this is non other than URL/NIL et al !!!
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 14:56:49 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marion + Robin
Subject: Reply / Another question
Message:
You obviously aren't the Marion I know and love. She knows very well that she lives next door to my best friend.

So, let's see if I've got this right. You come here, yell, 'Ner, ner, you stink.' Then say you're leaving because you can't get any intelligent conversation from anyone.

Good ridance. Get back under your blankets mindless ones, before
one of your thoughts joins up with another one.

Anth the washes his feet once a month whether they need it or not.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:32:14 (GMT)
From: marion
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: To Anth with the stinking feets
Message:
Wake up, Anth.
You dissapoint me. Read Bjřrns posts below. I am not very smart, but I obiously misjudged your intelligence. I was almost a fan.

But take care, you deserve better company than this Forum
love Marion

Ps. I do not want to spend more time in your company, we will just go in circles. By the way, as a teacher, you should understand the difference from feelings and concepts. Please do not make a fool of your self.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 18:12:00 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: marion
Subject: Have you ever seen his feet? I did !!!! haha (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:46:59 (GMT)
From: Ian Dury
Email: None
To: marion
Subject: To Anth with the stinking feets
Message:
Propagation? Nice job!
Thank you,you and Robin both, for vividly reminding me why it was far too embarassing to admit belonging to this cult for 20+ years; let alone trying to explain the Lord. You two should be sent out on the road as instructors, to inspire the troops with your clarity.
Hey girls, ever wonder why you have to be filthy rich to be around the big guy?
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:21:39 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Exes and Premies.
Subject: Kissing Feet
Message:
In the ten years I sort of practiced K I avoided Darshan because I did not feel comfortable about prostrating myself before the Lard and couldn't imagine what was in it for me.
As a consequence I have no knowledge of the actual 'experience' of going through darshan as even my premie friends would say, 'If you want to know you have to go.' Bastards.
Would anyone out there like to give a word picture of their experience for the benefit of me and other interested ones.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:49:50 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: Kissing Feet
Message:
Oliver,

I've started a new thread on this one - coz I reckon its gonna be a biggie
See you upstairs

Loaf

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:15:11 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What every premie needs
Message:
We're talking the best and most thorough method for finding information about Maharaji and all of sites which sing his praises.

Click here for the ultimate Maharaji search engine

Every single Maharaji related site has been spidered and indexed to make this the best Maharaji search engine on the internet. It's all any premie needs to know.

Maharaji's own site, Elan Vital, Visions International and all the premie web sites are here and nothing has been overlooked by the ever vigilant spider. I may put this site onto an own domain dot com site which will make it even easier for people to remember it and find it.

Always pleased to be of service.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:27:17 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: What every premie needs
Message:
Excellent job, Sir D,

Now - how about the ex-premie archives too!?

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:17:40 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: The impossible takes longer
Message:
Ah, that will take a little longer since I have to download all of the forum archives, turn them into linked HTML documents and then upload them onto a new web site.

I think I could do it a few pages per day.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:29:07 (GMT)
From: cqg
Email: quartus@postmaster.co.uk
To: Sir Dave
Subject: The impossible takes ... a little longer
Message:
I'll be taking some time off work over Easter.

How about we share the task between us?

Email me if you think the idea has 'legs'.

Cheers,

Chris

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:13:14 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: cqg
Subject: The impossible takes ... a little longer
Message:
I think it does have legs and I'll email you. What we're talking about is building a complete web site, although it won't need any clever stuff on it - just basic linked documents with a simple directory structure.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:33:31 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: It's just the inconceivable that takes forever...
Message:
You're on, Dave,

(& me just itchin' to put my new-found web-skills to good use! - courtesy of the Uni of Durham's Centre for Lifelong Learning web-design course)

Slightly off-topic, - here's a little story I found which might be appreciated by anyone who's had to do a software re-install on their computer:

COMPUTER SUPPORT

There are four engineers traveling in a car; a mechanical engineer, a chemical engineer, an electrical engineer and a computer engineer. The car breaks down.

'Sounds to me as if the pistons have seized. We'll have to strip down the engine before we can get the car working again', says the mechanical engineer.

'Well', says the chemical engineer, 'it sounded to me as if the fuel might be contaminated. I think we should clear out the fuel system.'

'I thought it might be an grounding problem', says the
electrical engineer, 'or maybe a faulty plug lead.'

They all turn to the computer engineer who has said nothing and say: 'Well, what do you think?'

'Umm - perhaps if we all get out of the car and get back in again?'

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 11:48:49 (GMT)
From: Reggie Dwight
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: What every premie needs
Message:
You know Dave this is a very kind gesture. I'm impressed.
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 21:33:13 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: An irish blessing
Message:
May your neighbor respect you,
Trouble neglect you,
The angels protect you,
And Heaven accept you.

BTW, I like Maharaji

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 23:58:09 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: An irish blessing
Message:
Why do you like Maharaji? Are you familiar with the information here and on Jean-Michel's site? If so, how can you like him?

John.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 06:52:42 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Should I believe in Lies?
Message:
Do you want me to believe in lies? Jean-Michel is a lier. I know that.
Sir Dave wrote a topic: 'What every premie needs'. First page I opened was a lie. Do you want me to continue to read lies?
Should I deny my own experiences?
Should I listen to my heart?
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:12:52 (GMT)
From: xyz
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: If lying is bad...
Message:
...then surely you would agree that calling someone a liar when they are not is VERY bad. In fact, to do so is libellous.

I suggest you explain yourself and identify the 'lies' in question. If you cannot, you owe some apologies.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:51:40 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: xyz
Subject: If lying is bad...
Message:
Is your definion of lying; not telling the what is truth.
Is it pretending something which is not true.
Read sir Daves web site:
Ask your self:
Is this true? Is it not true?
Are these rumours true????
Jugde for your self.

Read Jean-Michels post? They will give you your answer- is he a lier or what?

If you are sincere, I am sure you will find an answer.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:44:00 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: If lying is bad... why did M swear on the Bible:
Message:
If lying is bad... why did M swear on the Bible:

...that he would 'establish peace' in the world?


click here for proof that he claimed this

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:56:11 (GMT)
From: xyz
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: I repeat...
Message:
If lying is bad ...then surely you would agree that calling someone a liar when they are not is VERY bad. In fact, to do so is libellous.

I suggest you explain yourself and identify the 'lies' in question. If you cannot, you owe some apologies.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:33:25 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: xyz
Subject: Seek and you will find
Message:
I hope you have read Sir Daves pages and that you have enough brain to see that some of this is pure and simple lies.
I have only read a few of Jean-Michel post. Only twice I noticed that a person spotted direct lies in his posts. He did not respond to this, just pretended nothing had happened
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:38:52 (GMT)
From: Just curious George
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: xx: Are you calling JM a lier?
Message:
Are you?
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:05:46 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Hey moron.... he asked a question
Message:
xx: Why won't you answer the question? Could it be that YOU are the liar? 'Seek and you shall find' IS NOT an answer to the question asked.

YOU seek and YOU find the lies, since you are the one alleging the lies! Get it, stupid? You said there are lies, so you find them and you report them or just shut your mouth.... Until you do find them, I'm betting that YOU are the liar!

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:05:25 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Who is a moron and a liar?
Message:
I am not lying.
Once Jean-Michel claimed that Maharaji had said that everybody should move into the ashram. To prove this Jean-Michel made a link to an article in a premie newspaper. Jean-Michel wrote, read this here is the proof! Someone read the article and made Jean-Michel aware that Maharaji said something like this; that he did not want to push anyone to move into the ashram. Jean-Michel did not respond to this fact. Even if he was stupid enough to cut it from the French Forum. This action falls under my definition of lying.
Once Jean-Michel made a link to what he claimed Maharaji had recently told the premies in India. The transcript were about 10 years old. Do you call that honest, kiss my ass.
BTW; Jean-Michel promised that he never should reveal Knowledge to anyone without Maharajis permission. To my knowledge he described the techniques on the internet in detail.
I have only read about 10 posts of Jean-Michel, but at least I have spotted 2 lies.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:35:56 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Who is a moron and a liar?M is
Message:
Maharaji told the ashramees that it was for life.......only to close the whole the down a few years later and throw many onto the street. He is the liar.

He aslo said the difference between ashramees and other premies was that the ashramees had dedicated their lives. At many early programs he always wanted the ashramees to be seated near him so that he was surrounded by a 'good vibe'.

He also said that often he felt embarassed because he'd be out driving and pull up atthe traffic lights and when he looked at the drivers next to him he would know their past present and future. He set hinmself up as the supreme being.

Everybody knows that. It is in print and on film.

He is a liar and those around him are liars.

In 1992(I was still a premie then), I met an aspirant who I was chatting with and told her about the early years or our wonderful Lord, particularly in India. How he did parades and we could kiss his feet. The aspirant came back to me a week later and told me that Belkis had told her the stuff about India was lies and did not happen. I then showed the aspirant the video 'Satguru has come'.
Wake up 'xx' , take your fingers out of your ears and open your eyes. You're making a complete fool of yourself.

If you doubt anything I say, come over to my place and I'll show you everything on film.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:59:45 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Maharaji said that he wanted all single premies...
Message:
Maharaji said that he wanted all single premies to move into the ashram. That was the reason I moved in, not because I wanted to. Yes, I was pushed in.

10 years ago is pretty recent compared to 27 years ago. What did he tell the Indian premies btw?

What do you care if Jean-Michel describes the four techniques? You don't think they work without 'Maharaji's grace' anyway. So how is that 'revealing Knowledge'? And yes, the techniques, both the old and new versions, are described in complete detail on the internet. As to broken promises...

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:26:19 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Mahraji did not
Message:
I know some people did, but he did not. Anyway Jean Michel lied about it. BTW I remeber another thing JM lied about, but I will keep it to myself.
If a person makes a commitment and takes an oath to keep his promise, and then brakes his word, whatever excuse he ll come up with, does not matter. He is a non-reliable person by nature in my opinion.
You guys pushed me to write this. My intention was to write an irish blessing. Thats it. Discussion ends her from my side; this is also to you Way, but when you quote me, do it correctly. You see, if you add or subtract a word if, it is of some importance.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 12:13:56 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: xx:Braking a oath with a lier is wrong?
Message:
Maharaji lied to the premies! What are you talking about!!
We broke our oath for a reason: Maharaji is fake!! The Lord of the Universe my arss.

Wake up, premie ji...

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 15:22:53 (GMT)
From: Donnie
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Braking an oath is wrong!
Message:
Because an oath is something you do to yourself.
You dont say I promise you. You say I promise....
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:41:57 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Yes, he DID!
Message:
xx: I was there, he said it and wrote it! Your denial doesn't wash..... we were THERE!

Second, you still didn't answer the question. Way asked for specifics, you answer with generalities. SPECIFICALLY, if you say someone is lying, you had better have the specific quote! Just because you say that you caught him lying doesn't prove a thing. FOr example: YOu premies say that M NEVER said he was god. We show you DIRECT QUOTES from M's own mouth where he states that he is not only god, but 'greater than god!' See???? That is called proof...... where's yours?

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:00:02 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Think, Mike
Message:
Prove your allegations then. If he wrote or said it, it is a piece of cake to prove. It does not change the fact that Jean-Michel lied though. I think I was quite specific, but some day if I have the time, I ll show you.
If you concentrate, read the thread above. Reading might sometimes be hard. Understanding is also difficult.
If you are lost, what is most important to you, your home or the person who can show you your way? If you dont find your home, it does not mean a thing.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 21:33:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Think, xx, when you've found your home ...
Message:
Think, xx, when you've found your home ...

... you don't have to invite the map-reader to come and live with you.

(hope you get the analogy)

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:41:10 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Try it yourself, you might like it!
Message:
xx: YOU are the one making allegations of JM lying. You still haven't answered the questions posed to you, so I will not answer yours! I have the answers, but I'm tired of responding to premie morons when they don't respond to questions posed to them. Check the time stamps on the posts, you alleged lying by JM prior to any of my responses....

Prove YOUR allegations, then I will respond in kind! Until then, you are just another evasive premie moron..... I'm tired of you.... you're dismissed.... LAIR!

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:56:05 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: AND, by the way you idiot
Message:
xx: The quote which you use for 'proof' was an OBVIOUS JOKE! You really can't think, can you? Read it again... after reading the piece of crap that Bjorn-yesterday wrote! You'll see that it was a joke..... IF you have a brain, of course.

The first thing premies lose, after losing any semblence of coherent thought, is their sense of humor...... Are they really happy???? I don't think so!

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:08:53 (GMT)
From: xyz
Email: fitz..oops!
To: xx
Subject: Three strikes.... I repeat:
Message:
You still have not identified the 'lies' in question.

Apart from the so-called lie about the ashrams (and you are completely wrong, there, as G pointed out), you have not explained yourself.

So now you run away saying you only wanted to post an Irish blessing. If that was all you wanted to do, why start calling people liars when you cannot substantiate your allegations?

Before you go, you owe some apologies, xx. Listen to your heart. There might still be a part of it left that is not corrupted by cult-rot.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:44:50 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: xyz
Subject: Three strikes.... I repeat:again for the last time
Message:
16 th of March in a tread below Jean Michel wrote: 'Because she's fucking around with everybody!
Not be invited?'
This woman he describes, is very faithful to her husband.
Is JM lying or not?
If you are capable to read and understand more than 2 sentences, you might find out what I mean.
I forget that people at this forum has problems with their ability to think. I had a flu, now I am well enough to get back to my job. So now you are free to write all the brainwashed rubbish you want. I WILL NOT REPLY. It is some fun to write here, but it is also depressing to realise the state of mind of those who post here.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:18:57 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: xx: Triple to you, darling....ROFL
Message:
You have no brains.

Look around, I will share with you a recent India satsang with interesting bla bla bla from your Lard, sorry, lord. Soon.

Bye servant. Me free you? not...ROFL

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:30:09 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: xx
Subject: Three strikes.... I repeat:again for the last time
Message:
You're right - why waste your time here? It's like talking to a brick wall. And as for Jean-Michel, he is a man without honor obviously. Pas honeur, vraiment? Fuck him.

Take care,

Mili

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 13:47:22 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Talk about walls of brick
Message:
Mili: But you and xx only have one problem...... you're a few bricks short of a full load!

I'm absolutely rolling on the floor in laughter after reading xx. Imagine a premie trying to tell someone else to THINK! That would be the ultimate comedy if it weren't so sad. You guys don't have the slightest idea what your brains are actually to be used for...... Try a kick-start.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:14:50 (GMT)
From: xx
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: You should buy a pair of glasses, Mike
Message:
May be you would be able to read. With your intelligence there hopefully should be no problem.
Re. Bjřrns posts, you did not get it. John understood what he meant, you did not. Some one else understood it too.
Bjřrn could delete this forum from the search engines if he wanted to. You see, there are no laws especially for the internett. That means that websites have to follow the same laws as the rest of the society. In this picture, the search engines are the distributor of the media, the media is the website. The publishers and the owner of the web site are responsible for every word accepted on this pages. If Mahraraji were after money, he could not only sue them, he could also report them to the police.
Do you think you would brake the laws if you wrote about a man, he is a liar, he is alcholic, he is a drugaddict, he supports pedophile, he is a pedophile, he gave instructions to hammer a man in his head, he is a child molestor, he tried to kill Mishler, by putting water in the gas, he steals your money, he forced people to move into the ashram. All of this crap are lies, presented here at the forum. Try to put a billboard in your town, and make these allogation against your neighbour with no proof and with no other reason than to destroy that person reputation. Continue to do that, month after month, year after year. I guarantee you, soon youll be in prison.
When I write here at the forum, I laugh a lot, it sounds like I laugh more than you. I laugh when I am Robin and Marion. I laugh when someone writes something funny, even if he / she is a expremie. I do not claim to be very smart, but I feel sad, when people are really thick. And I feel sad, when some people has lost their last drop of decency.
Think, Mike, use your common sense, use your brain, it might help even you. Bye Bye
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:04:10 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: What exactly do you call intelligent conversation?
Message:
xx,

You keep bemoaning the lack of intelligence here. And as you know, that just has to hurt. Like, ouch! Hold on there, we've got feelings too, huh? So what I'm wondering is if maybe you could give us a few tips on how better to think about things. How to talk, how to listen. Please.

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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:19:02 (GMT)
From: Bimbo the thichead
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You surprise me, Jim
Message:
Are you sincere?
That is one thing I think is lacking here. Sincerety. I have posted a few times and got hurt. As a premie, or wannabe premie, I been called everythinng from an idiot, to a pedophile, to a asshole. Also by you. So it becomes a part of the game not to be sincere.
For the fun of it, I did some experiments, I posted as Dante, no strings attach.The result was disbelief I posted very innocently as xx, almost without strings attached. I was pushed into a discussion i did not want to. I posted as a person aspiring to be a premie (which means something else than an aspirant), people thougt I was an aspirant and was treated almost with respect. I posted as a premie woman, almost respect.
Why the discrimination? A premie, he is an asshole. Whatever he will write. And every time he posts there are 10 against one. At least.
I had a person working for me. She was a friend and the national contact for EV. She is still a friend in my heart. At one point she left Maharaji. I did not see her for a while, and one time I talked to her on the phone. She expressed she had had some difficulties, and had been to mental observation. Not one day passed without thinking about Maharaji she said. I said it is Ok. In my eyes you are no worse, or no better than me. She is doing fine now.
I respect her choice. I respect your choice. But please respect my choice.
Why I wrote here in the first place? Because I hate injustice. Believe it or not but I hate when people act like they are in a sect. I honestly think this Forum has all the signs of people acting like sectmembers.
We are all human beings - and we do not know the answers. When people write I have no credibility, it is hurting.
I am sorry to say that then a devil in me occurs, and I get a little nasty. But I apologize and I realize that it is just a waste of time. I think that everybody need to be honest, at least to themselves.
Now I am waisting my time again Jim. And so are you. Take care.
Bye
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Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 15:51:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Bimbo the thichead
Subject: God, you caught me off guard for a moment
Message:
Well it seems like you're getting a bit skittish and soon departed if not already. Too bad. We could have spent months and months doing back flips over your inability to think clearly. And that's what we get off on in this sect of ours, you better believe it!

Ah sincerity! Good point. I'm sure that someone of your stature knows all about that. Well we don't. Got that? We're not sincere. Never were, never will be. We're lost, insincere, alley cats.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 16:53:20 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: LOL,LOL,LOL, ditto
Message:
Lordy, so may greaty lines, 'brake' the law, etc... How to choose the winner (or mayber the 'looser'?)

Personal favorite? he gave instructions to hammer a man in his head

Now does this mean the instructions were 'in his head' or he (goober) told someone to hammer him in the head, or does it mean he gave instructions to someone to hammer themselves in the head?

I know! He gave instructions to xx to hammer herself in the head and xx did a real good job of following agya...

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 18:32:51 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: No no no, Eat the hammer and give him head!
Message:
Even premies can't get it right! :-)

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:20:19 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Message:
xx: Your is the funniest post I've read in a long time! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 22:42:21 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: xx
Subject: Re:Who is a moron and a liar?
Message:
xx,

Oh dear, I wasn't going to get into this one, but I couldn't resist. xx, you started out on Sunday sharing a blessing including something about being respected by your neighbors, and you end up on Monday with: 'kiss my ass.'

The one and only thing that premies ever do here is sling inane insults. I guess all the premies who are capable of calm, intelligent discussion do not even come here.

If some unbiased person were to come here and get their impression about premies solely from this forum, they would definitely think that premies are wacked out cult members. Come to think of it, if some unbiased person were to go to ELK, they probably would have the same impression.

As for you, xx, I don't think you are at all interested in listening to reason here, but the lies that you cite above would be better charactized as an honest mistake, a matter of interpretation, and a change of heart, respectively.

So, I have a suggestion for what you can do with that Irish blessing of yours. Go give it to somebody else, because I for one don't care to receive it from you.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:11:30 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Everyone
Subject: On the Road Again -OT
Message:
For those of you who are interested, on Thursday I'm off to Paris, then to Toulouse and Lourdes (Catholic girl has to visit St. Bernadette). Then we'll be going on to Spain -- Barcelona, Valencia and Madrid. I'll end up back in Cork in late April. I've never been to any of these places, so it is a big adventure. Rafael speaks fluent Spanish. The trip to Spain is his heart's desire. Travel suggestions welcome!

Looking forward to a repeat of Latvian night in Paris with Jean-Michel!

Love to all, Marianne

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:27:36 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Holy Water
Message:
Marianne:
When you're at Lourdes, there are stores across the street from the grotto where you can buy plastic Virgin Mary water bottles to fill with water from spigots near the grotto. I bought several of these bottles and filled them with the 'Holy Water' and gave them as gifts. They're perfect for the practicing Catholic (who will take it seriously), or for the ex and recovering Catholics (who will enjoy either the campiness or twisted iconography of a plastic Virgin Mary bottle filled with Lourdes water). I have one by my desk...the blue cap is shaped like a crown which is a hoot. My friends to whom I gave them loved them. Totally turista, but fun.

Enjoy your travels.
M

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:55:18 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Say a Novena at Lourdes for me, Marianne :-) nt
Message:
yikes I missed mass again today, ha!
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 15:42:25 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Everyone
Subject: This is a fun site!
Message:
Click here
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 21:21:19 (GMT)
From: I did it for
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Maharaji. He will die in 2020!!
Message:
That's the 'pessimistic' analysis, based on the weight problem and drinking habit.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:33:52 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: I did it for
Subject: Maharaji. He will die in 2020!!
Message:
Lucky bastard.

I've got a weight problem and a drinking habit too - and it said I'd die in 1991.

(Mind you, that was the 'sadistic' reading ...)

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:58:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: 'Statistics can lie' said the 470 happy Ugandans
Message:
The death toll in an apparent mass murder-suicide in a church in a remote part of southwestern Uganda could top 470, police and other sources said Sunday.

'The scene is horror,' Ugandan national police spokesman Asuman Mugenyi told The Associated Press after visiting the site. 'It is only about two or three bodies which you can say that these are men or women. The rest of the bodies are beyond human shape.'

He said the number of dead was likely to be double the 235 reported earlier.

Mugenyi said police were treating the incident as both suicide and murder because children were involved.

'Definitely it is both, because there were a big number of children who were led there by their parents,' he said.

Death toll hard to pin down

Journalist Simwogerere Kyazze of The Sunday Monitor in Uganda quoted police as saying as many as 650 people may have died in the blaze.

Deputy national police spokesman Eric Naigambi said it would take at least a week to determine an exact death count.

'We don't know who was inside or outside,' he said. 'Relatives of people said to have burned keep on telling us that their relatives are nowhere to be seen, and yet we have not proved their identities.'

Naigambi added that the doors and windows of the church had been nailed shut.

Doctors started conducting autopsies on Sunday and forensic experts traveled to the scene from the Ugandan capital, Kampala, about 347 kilometers (217 miles) northeast.

Members partied, said farewell

The sect was called the 'Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God.' Its leader, Joseph Kibweteere, preached that the world would end in 2000. To prepare for the end, the followers sold off their possessions, dressed up in white, green and black robes, and boarded themselves in their church.

Local residents told one paper the sect members had a party on Wednesday at which they consumed 70 crates of soda and three bulls. The next day, they gathered personal belongings including clothing, money, suitcases and church materials and burned them, the paper reported.

On Thursday, cult members went around nearby villages bidding farewell to neighbors, witnesses told the Sunday Vision newspaper.

'They were aware they would die on March 17 because the Virgin Mary had promised to appear at the camp during the morning hours to carry them to heaven,' Anastasia Komuhanti told the paper.

The sect members gathered at the church on Friday morning and, after singing and chanting for several hours, set the building on fire, said police.

'People said they heard some screaming but it was all over very quickly,' said Mugenyi.

Witnesses told the Monitor they smelled gasoline and heard an explosion that set the church on fire.

A local villager named Florence said sect members believed the church was the place they could go in time of calamity.

'They were told that at a certain time this year the world would end and so the leaders made it happen and perhaps the people there believed it had happened,' she said.

Leader's fate unknown

It was unclear whether Kibweteere died in the fire.

Kibweteere originally had predicted the world would end December 31, 1999, but later changed the date to December 31, 2000, according to the Monitor.

The paper quoted Kanungu residents as saying Kibweteere started preaching in 1994 and was a former member of the Roman Catholic Church.

If the fire is determined to have been a mass suicide, it would be the second-largest in recent history. In 1978 in Jonestown, Guyana, 914 followers of the Rev. Jim Jones died by poisoning.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:39:51 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Maharaji's millennial message
Message:
Jim wrote:
Its leader, Joseph Kibweteere, preached that the world would end in 2000.

A long time ago, Maharaji said that in the year 2000, there would be calamity, and the only ones left would be premies. I don't have the quote, but it's posted here somewhere.

Even lately, in the 'Unique Event' video, he said something like 'people talk about how terrible things are going to happen', but when you die, 'it all ends' anyway. It sounded vaguely millennial to me.

Just a few months ago, the fanatic in me was having a fantasy about going to Amaroo, and that there would be an epidemic, but the premies at Amaroo would all be saved by being there. I wonder how much of that thinking was fed to me by Maharaji. When it was announced - after $450,000 had been raised to improve Amaroo - that there would not be a program at Amaroo this year, I was relieved. The announcer had a pained, embarrassed look on her face.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:12:38 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: G
Subject: Maharaji's millennial message
Message:
'People talk about how terrible things are going to happen, but when you die, it all ends anyway.'

Now what could that mean, hm?

'People talk about how terrible things are going to happen, but when you die, it all ends anyway.'

'People talk about how terrible things are going to happen, but when you die, it all ends anyway.'

'People talk about how terrible things are going to happen, but when you die, it all ends anyway.'

'People talk about how terrible things are going to happen, but when you die, it all ends anyway.'

Boy, Maharaji is so difficult to understand, isn't he? Talks in a cryptic way, almost...

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 17:02:12 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: You are so insightful ...
Message:
That just completely clarifies it, that added so much.

Now analyse these quotes from the small booklet 'The Sayings of Guru Maharaj Ji':

Prophecies

'The time for famine, thunder, death and bombs is getting very near. Every time you see a watch, see the second hand, how smoothly it is going on, and so fast. The time is getting nearer. For the bombs will explode, and there will be great famine and thunder; many people will die, only those people who'll be on the ark, which is Light, will be left, otherwise everybody will be finished. Everybody will just finish.' SoGM p63.

'There is a poem by somebody which says that at the end of the year 2000 death will appear on this earth and everything will be destroyed. This was written a long time ago, but now that time is fast approaching. So we must get this Knowledge very quickly.' SoGM p64.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 05:34:10 (GMT)
From: I can't believe
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: anyone actually wrote this. (nt)
Message:
qqqqqqq!!!!
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 00:12:26 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Maybe I'm crazy, but I coulda sworn he said ......
Message:
I'm not exactly sure where I got it but I sure took one strong impression in the early seventies that Maharaji was promising some big gala event in the next few years. Maybe it was jsut a few things he said. The '...if I'm a father, and I see my child crawling toward the fire...' satsang, the peace bomb. Maybe it was just that Q&A session in the English Divine Light in which he says that he was going to bring peace to the world NOT, as suggested, in ten or twenty years but rather 'soon, soon, very, very soon'.

No one can minimize the impact a small phrase like that could have. Don't forget, we were always expecting oblique clues to the secret of life, the future and the universe in our guru's words. That was all part of the game -- He Who Listens Carefully Enough Will Be Rewarded. (And that's why marginal floaters like Deputy Dogg piss me off so much. They weren't even TRYING to listen.)

No, it wouldn't have taken much for m to get us to liquidate any long-term securities we had. Of course we didn't have any anyway. We were kids.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 03:09:09 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: The quote of Maharaji re the year 2000
Message:
See The contradictions of Maharaji.

From the small booklet 'The Sayings of Guru Maharaj Ji':

Prophecies

'The time for famine, thunder, death and bombs is getting very near. Every time you see a watch, see the second hand, how smoothly it is going on, and so fast. The time is getting nearer. For the bombs will explode, and there will be great famine and thunder; many people will die, only those people who'll be on the ark, which is Light, will be left, otherwise everybody will be finished. Everybody will just finish.' SoGM p63.

'There is a poem by somebody which says that at the end of the year 2000 death will appear on this earth and everything will be destroyed. This was written a long time ago, but now that time is fast approaching. So we must get this Knowledge very quickly.' SoGM p64.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 03:25:52 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Mili, read this quote, is this what you're saying?
Message:
Every time you see a watch, see the second hand, how smoothly it is going on, and so fast.

Well, is this what you're getting at? Do you think the world will end at the end of the year 2000?

Gosh, thanks for being concerned.

Did Maharaji ask you to post regarding www.deathwatch.com? If not, why did you?

Maybe Maharaji is obsessed with watches.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:07:28 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yes, he said he would bring peace to the earth and
Message:
very soon. This millennial message wasn't a regular message. Actually, I was not aware he said that tidbit about the year 2000 until I saw the quote at one of the ex-sites. I don't know where I saw it. I may be making too much of it, these are the only two instances I remember. It might have been a truly random bullshit thought that happened to came out of his mouth, kind of like the 'fear of the day', 'let's see if this gets them'.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:39:16 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: G
Subject: He also talked about 'when the fighting starts'...
Message:
He also talked about 'when the fighting starts'...

...having said 'I swear on the Bible that I will establish peace in the world'

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 15:15:02 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: G
Subject: M 'wishes' .....
Message:
G: M 'wishes' the year 2000 would bring some huge calamity.... That way, he'd have all of the fossil fuels for himself. You know.... for his oh-so-necessary jetliner-for-one and his fleet of cars. Premies won't need it because they'll be too blissed-out looking at all of the left-over devastation..... Wow, now THERE'S something to look forward to, right? NOT!!!!!

That's the simple question that all of the doomsdayer's forget to ask themselves.... who in the heck would actually WANT to be around to see that crap? I'd rather be vaporized by the first flash than to hang around and 'witness' the devastation, wouldn't you? I know..... it's a morbid thought..... but, at least my response to the question is honest :-)

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:07:14 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: surviving doomsday
Message:
I've thought a little about what it would be like to survive the devastation of an epidemic or whatever. It would very difficult. First, losing those you love, those you know, and knowing so many people died and that those left are in grief. Second, the physical hardship that would ensue. But people would cope, they did with the bubonic plague.

This desire for / fantasy of all the 'evil doers' to die and leave only the 'pure in heart' is very sick. It's like the idea of bad people going to hell. It's very unloving.

Until a person loses someone they really love, they don't know what it's like. Which brings me to something Rawat said a few months ago about a 'good friend' of his that he knew for a long time. His 'friend' was dying and Rawat got to the hospital too late, he had already died. What Rawat then said is close to this:

'And do you know what I thought? Do you know what I thought? I thought 'I'm glad it happened to him and not to me.' That's what I thought. And that was a good friend of mine.'

What would he do if one of his 'enemies' died? Jump up and down with joy?

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:07:43 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Holy crap!
Message:
G: If that quote was anywhere near accurate, it's so incredibly selfish as to be beyond belief.

I think any of us, and I do mean ANY of us, would gladly trade places with someone that was a loved one or friend who was dying. Never, I repeat NEVER have the words, 'I'm glad it was him/her, not me....' come into my mind when I was around someone who was dying!

To think, for a single moment, that those who have chosen to 'catch a bullet' for a comrade would ever think that way profanes their memory, if not their very humanity...... There are too many military people (alone...) who have chosen to do this for me to believe that M's 'thought' is anywhere near the norm.

To quote someone that is rather well known: 'no greater love hath....... etc etc' Well, it looks like M, himself, fails the no-greater-love test! This, from the guy who was purported to have 'resurrected' a dead baby in India...... remember that?

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:21:44 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Holy crap is right
Message:
Oh, it's accurate all right, I heard him say it in a video a few months ago with my own ears.

He was purported to have 'resurrected' a dead baby in India? I never heard that one. I did hear one about him being a master of karate without ever studying it, like he broke a piece of wood or something by just tapping it. Oh, and the one where a track couch supposed watched the movie of Rawat and his wife running towards each other on the beach and said 'He has perfect form.' Yea, sure, like his dancing and singing. What a joke.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:19:57 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: G
Subject: M is profanity incarnate
Message:
G: Of this I am now convinced. Now, he tries to convince premies that 'selfishness' is 'normal' with this little story.
I think there are alot of names carved into marble who might argue with his sentiment.

What's even funnier is that most of those dead folks would say, if they had the chance, 'I didn't do anything special..... I was just protecting a friend!' How can I know this? Well, have you ever spoken to a medal of honor recipient or the recipient of any medal for valor in combat? Most of those medals were awarded to those who risked their own lives for another (most were posthumous, too). Of those that lived to tell about it, to a person, they say that they didn't do anything that ANYONE else wouldn't do! They even feel funny, to a person, for having received an award for it. Now, that kinda tells ya what THEY think the 'norm' is, doesn't it?

With friends like M, REALLY, who needs an enemy?

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 03:58:46 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: good point Mike
Message:
It clearly shows the difference between a real person and the cheesy cardboard cut-out the 'lord' gooberaji is.

God, for the lfe of me I can't understand what people see in this phony, money grubbing, rotten little misanthrope.

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 15:33:01 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: You said it, gerry!
Message:
gerry: Your quote, '...God, for the life of me I can't understand what people see in this phony, money grubbing, rotten little misanthrope.....' says it ALL! Thanks!
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 20:43:02 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: G
Subject: 'He has perfect form'- Grand National awaits (nt)
Message:
'He has perfect form'- Grand National awaits (nt)
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 23:05:34 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: How 'bout a simple triathlon?
Message:
cq: Heck, I'd settle for a simple sprint..... perfect running form, my arse!

I've seen that clip and whoever says he has superior running form is deep in lala-land or on some GREAT drugs (or both)!

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:20:38 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Honestly, Mili you MUST...
Message:
Mili: put some joy into your life. If all you think about is death, you are wasting your valuable time here. Really, get a grip.... Taste some of the better things in life other than the dust under your master's feet.... Dirt just isn't that tasty. Try a good bordeaux and some fine dining for a start. Then take a vacation to a beautiful natural location. This should help to get you on the road to recovery from your morbid love-affair with death. It comes soon enough for EVERYBODY (including premies). AND NO, your precious master hasn't resurrected anyone lately, so there's no hope there, either....
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 18:37:13 (GMT)
From: Grateful
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Wrong Math Mili!-ADD 11 years for a man.
Message:
The truth is that the 73 year old life span for a male is only correct for those that are under 50.
Those older than 50......(not us quite yet).........have a life span of 84 for a man and 88 for a woman.

And THAT is just to be average. And we know you aren't average Mili. Above average right? So, YOU have even llloonnggeerrrrr
to live than 84. Plenty of time to come visit during one of the european ex events!

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 17:48:40 (GMT)
From: a True Lover
Email: None
To: you ex-lovers
Subject: You see? You're going to DIE!
Message:
You see? You SEE? You ex-lovers?

Check out this site, see how many seconds you have left?

YOU ARE ALL GOING TO DIE! DIE! DIE!

Your body you 'love' so much will ROT in the ground! Unless you get cremated, then all that will be left is ASHES. Here you are, thinking you are 'enjoying life', but you are really only indulging in the pleasures of this dark world, which can only bring suffering. It will all end! It is only by Maharaji's Grace that life can truely be enjoyed. Without His Grace, your life is just a dash, a short little empty meaningless dash. You are nothing without Him.

You think you have an unlimited time left to come back to Maharaji? YOU DON'T!!! This is a limited time offer! A one-time offer!

Why do you think Maharaji and Shri Hans always talk about death? As a warning! For your own good! It is only out of His Infinite Love that He keeps reminding you that you are going to DIE!

I don't know if you all are just foolish or worse, maybe evil. You are turning your back on the Lord. There is a name for you, MONMOT. Do you know what that means? There is NO PLACE IN THIS WORLD for a lower than animal creature like you! I don't even want to think what will happen to you when you DIE!

You need to have Gratitude, you need the Master. You are all just beggers too proud, too arrogant, too wrapped up in your EGOS to beg to Him. You are beggers and you don't even know it. Here you are starving, and complaining about the kind of clothes He wears. He has the bowl of food, you don't. Even if you had it, you wouldn't know what to do with it, you're too foolish. You'de probably just use it as a lampshade or put it on your head, thinking it's a cap.

Oh, and you say His Grace is just 'mumbo-jumbo nonsense'. That is because you are THINKING about it. It doesn't make sense to the MIND, because the MIND doesn't make sense. It can only be FELT. It's truely such an experience, it can't be described.

Oh, you wonder why He has those nice houses, cars, a plane and helicopter, a yacht, a good stereo, lots of CDs, good watches, tennis courts, and all that junk. It doesn't matter, He doesn't care about that stuff. He only has that stuff by His premies' love which He accepts, to help spread Knowledge, and as a test of your failing faith. And you're FLUNKING. Get it? Should He refuse His premies' love gifts? That would be unloving!

He uses that plane to get around quick, you want him to DIE on a commercial flight? Don't you care about His safety?

And His house in Malibu? That old house's roof was leaking! And His children, who are obviously Divine, need and deserve their own rooms. It was fit to be torn down. And He uses the new house in His work. It has a state of the art music studio in it! If you would only hear the Glorious music He composed! And there needs to be security, there have been death threats on His Life, don't you now?

And the helicopter? You expect Him to drive to the airport?

And the watches? Those are to tell time, idiots, He has a busy schedule, and each one is a link to the premies, to remind them that time is ticking away, that they are going to DIE. They must be the finest quality so they won't fail or be inaccurate. What if He were late to a program, even miss one?

And the tennis courts? They are for His health, what He got sick and DIED? What would happen to this world?

And the cars? Don't you understand? When He works on a car, He is really working on His premies, restoring them to a brand new condition! It's not the car. And a cheap car wouldn't do, He must restore us premies to the FINEST QUALITY condition. Understand now? And He has many premies and more and more of them, so He needs more and more quality cars. Don't think about it, just FEEL Him working on one of them, or driving it around. It's really you He's driving to the right place, that place inside. Now doesn't that FEEL GOOD? If it feels good, DO IT! Don't you want to feel good? I remember being given the opportunity to give a love gift to help give Him a nice car, a green Austin Martin. I'm glad I did! It's like I'm in that car when He drives it! Remember the 'Happy Birthday' movie? He was so pleased and surprised! It wasn't like He was asking for it! He graciously accepted it! He could feel His premies' love in the car! It was so beautiful. He shows gratitude for our gifts, and you should should some gratitude too!

And the yacht? Well, I don't know if He even has one, but if He does, it's to have seminars on, as you even wrote here at this stupid site, it's simple as that. It provides for security and safety, to keep spies like some of you from getting in and distorting His message on this crap web site.

And the good stereo and all the CDs? Well just listen to the beautiful music He is composing now! And when He enjoys music, I enjoy with Him. I can just feel Him sitting there with headphones on all blissed out listening! It makes me feel so good to know that He has the finest quality of everything.

So it's all easily explained, once you get your petty jealousy out of the way. It's really that YOU want all that stuff! You have to be HUMBLE! You come to Him with no conditions!

So back to time, you know, the seconds are ticking away. You think, oh, He is just trying to scare me. Well you should be scared! You should panic, and rush back to His Lotus Feet!

Ask for His forgiveness and maybe He will show mercy and take you back. He is an Infinite Ocean of Love and Compassion!


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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 21:11:02 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: a True Lover
Subject: You see? You're going to DIE!
Message:
So what's so wrong about playing tennis, anyway? :o)
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 22:05:30 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: So what's so wrong about playing tennis, anyway?
Message:
Mili wrote:

So what's so wrong about playing tennis, anyway?

Unbelievable.

Do I understand correctly that you actually agree with A True Lover's rant?

So your reasoning is that because it's ok to play tennis, it's also ok for him to have private tennis courts around the world, paid for by money conned out of people who think he's God. This, after he said in the Peace Bomb satsang:

Had I liked sleeping on a luxurious bed, I would have been doing so by now and enjoying it, but I do not want pleasure or rest. I only want to devote every moment to propagating about God.

What kind of beds do you think he has? Where did he find time for all this stuff, for raising a family, for taken vacations, for restoring 'vintage' automobiles, etc.?

Why does he indulge in so many pleasures? What pleasures? expensive catered gourmet food, audiophile stereo equipment, rolls royces, you name it. Try to think of a pleasure he doesn't indulge in. I'm not saying that indulging in pleasures is wrong, I'm saying he is a hypocrite. Excessively indulging in pleasures to the detriment of others IS wrong, IMO.

What exactly does collecting expensive watches have to do with propagating about God? How do you explain his statement that his watch collecting is 'a bad habit'? Let me guess, it's his lila, he's just kidding, he's just testing our faith. Something like that?

Why is it that he lives in luxury while the development of the 'lands' remains unfinished, even after a great deal of money has been raised? Why did he live in luxury while ashram premies lived in poverty? Yes, real poverty. Why did he have sex, at least with his wife, and raise a family while telling premies they should be celibate?

My memory of Amaroo: flies, flies, flies, sitting on the ground in the burning sun in the middle of an ex-cow pasture, being warned to watch out for poisonous snakes, him turning down people for Knowledge who travelled half-way around the world.

My memory of 'La Tierra de L'Amour': mud, mud, mud, mud, mud, mud, mud, flies, flies, flies around the food, getting a Knowledge review in a cheap hut sitting on a mat on soggy ground, walking for miles through mud to get to the bus. Of course, for $350 I could have rented a tent, oh, what a deal. It should be called 'La Tierra de Mud'. And do you think he got his precious little feet wet, no way.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 23:41:43 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: G
Subject: So what's so wrong about playing tennis, anyway?
Message:
What have your experiences with the Knowledge been?
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 02:47:41 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: What's so wrong with the term 'Knowledge.'
Message:
The way the term 'Knowledge' is used to mean m's 'initiation' into the meditation techniques he 'propagates' - it implies that there is no other source or kind of knowledge. Then he tells you to focus on loving him to the exclusion of all others and all else, and of course, you have to turn off your brain to do that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Mili. What do I know about anything - I don't have 'the Knowledge' and I don't want that exclusive version of it either.

I apologize if you interpret this as a rude response, but I find that term insulting.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 13:08:16 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: What's so wrong with the term 'Knowledge.'
Message:
Boy, you sure don't have a clue what this is all about, do you?
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 14:12:48 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: What's so wrong with the term 'Knowledge.'
Message:
Well. I seem to always be right about the attitude towards others that 'the Knowledge' engenders - not that I'm happy about that. I'll keep hoping that I find others with less exclusive, IMO more enlightened, and open attitudes - I have found a few, so there's hope where there's faith.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 00:46:05 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Typical Premie Cowardly Evasion
Message:
What have your experiences with honest conversation been, Mili? I seem to notice that G asked you a whole bunch of stuff about m's wealth. You don't answer any of them and change the subject. Prick.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 13:22:24 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Jim
Subject: Typical Premie Cowardly Evasion
Message:
Whatever wealth he has is no concern of mine. It's his to do with it how he pleases. I respect and love Maharaji - and I want him to have the best of everything. If I wanted to give him a watch, a Ferrari, or a yacht I would certainly hope he would enjoy it and not turn it down.

There is no price set on Knowledge and you know it. I got it for free and I have never been obliged to pay a penny for it.

What's your problem anyway, jerk?

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:02:49 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: 'Practicing Knowledge' does cost money and more
Message:
Whatever wealth he has is no concern of mine.

It should be. I guess you have no concern for the Indian ashram premies who live in squalor while he has a sectioned-off palace on the ashram grounds. He hardly even uses it. Similarly for the lands. What really gets worked on, his pads. He has infected you with his lack of morals.

It's his to do with it how he pleases.

No kidding.

I respect and love Maharaji.

I wonder how true that respect and love really is. If you really loved him, you would be concerned about his problems. You are enabling him to continue in his vices. You love him no more than a co-dependant loves a drunk.

and I want him to have the best of everything

Who told you to feel that way? Why do you want this? Of what benefit is it to an 'enlightened being', like Rawat claims he is, to have all this JUNK? Face it, it's just his materialistic greed, and you've been conned into feeling this way.

If I wanted to give him a watch, a Ferrari, or a yacht I would certainly hope he would enjoy it and not turn it down.

This is a thought implanted in you by brainwashing. You are trying, very unsuccessfully, to make it seem that he doesn't ask for or buy this JUNK. No, he either asks for or buys this stuff. And he gets it. He described his watch collecting as a 'bad habit'. Do you know what a bad habit is? Do you understand english? A habit is something you DO repeatedly. He is not a helpless passive recipient of all this JUNK, forced to accept it because he doesn't want to hurt your feelings. Get real, try to use your brain. And bad means just that, bad. And given that his watch collecting is a bad habit, his other collections are also bad habits.

There is no price set on Knowledge and you know it.

You mean there is not a set admission fee to the 'Knowledge session'? That doesn't make 'Knowledge' free, and you know it. When I 'received Knowledge' I was asked to give a gift. And 'practicing Knowledge', according to Rawat and you, is not just the four meditation techniques. Here you are distorting the cult meaning of 'Knowledge' to suit your imagined need to be dishonest. Why do you think you need to be dishonest?

Part of 'practicing Knowledge' is 'keeping in touch' and 'participating'. How do you 'keep in touch'? By listening to Maharaji live or via videos. More and more, the voluntary nature of contributions in this regard is being taken away. There was a $45 fee to attend the 'Unique event'. Their excuse was that the video cost a lot of money to make. So there were big 'expenses'. Who were the recipients of these 'expenses'? Money doesn't just vanish. There is no information provided about who gets the money. None. Why? Also, to be 'prepared' to 'receive Knowledge' now, one must listen to a set number of videos. These videos cost money.

Another part of 'Knowledge' is 'participation', either by providing unpaid labor or by giving money to Elan Vital and/or Maharaji. This is a limited amount of labor to be done, so the only way left to 'participate' is to give money. And the unpaid labor does qualify is a cost. Some people gave up their jobs to work on Rawat's Malibu mansion.

I got it for free and I have never been obliged to pay a penny for it.

Doing the meditation techniques, once you know them, doesn't cost money IF you haven't been brainwashed into giving money. But you say the 'Knowledge' is not just the techniques, that you need to 'keep in touch' for them to be effective. How much money have you contributed? By 'obliged' you mean nobody put a gun to your head? It doesn't work that way, it's a con job. Con men don't use guns, they use deceit and cheat.

I was repeatedly pressured into giving money to Divine Light Mission/Elan Vital and to Maharaji.

What's your problem anyway, jerk?

Feeling a little touchy? Whatever happened to the 'perfect peace' that 'Knowledge' brings? The problems were already stated, you did not address them.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 18:46:38 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: G
Subject: 'Practicing Knowledge' does cost money and more
Message:
It's really funny talking to you guys - you're so narrow minded. When you can't find it difficult to accept a different opinion, you resort to name calling and snarl words like 'cult' and 'brainwashed'. Well, yo' mama is brainwashed, if you ask me. ;o)

Sure, the sattelite transmission cost 45 bucks. So what - do you really think there were no costs involved? Even if there was some overhead, it was a pretty fair deal. I really enjoyed it, and I didn't feel ripped off or cheated by it. I felt that I was being offered a chance to reciprocate for a wonderful evening and to donate some money to a good cause. If a part of it goes to fix Maharaji's roof, or to fuel the plane I don't mind! Why should you? It's my money we're talking about, after all - not yours. And I don't buy your 'poor Indian ashram premies' propaganda. Go tell that particular sob story to the Indian Communist Party or someone else like that. Really pathetic.

No, there is NO cost involved in the K session, or afterwards. The gift could've been a flower, or an apple or nothing at all. There wasn't such a requirement in my case at all, if I remember it well. The only requirement is of your TIME - to practice. If you want to, of course. And that's always your choice - no one is keeping tabs on you and no one tells you what to do. No obligatory membership dues to pay, either. Same goes for satsang and service, too. It's a great bargain.

If you like it, fine. If you don't like it - also fine.

Ciao!

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 17:05:45 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Ever the asshole -- you just don't get it
Message:
Mili,

The whole fucking point RIGHT NOW is that you don't have the right in an honest discussion to simply avoid a question, nay a whole topic, just to replace it with your own. That's called being evasive. You've never shown the integrity to avoid that practise at the drop of a hat. Makes talking with you futile.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 23:39:28 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Jim
Subject: Ever the asshole -- you just don't get it
Message:
Well, look who's TALKIN'!

Why, it's Mr. Logic himself. You're the bozo who coined the phrase 'reasonable prejudice' aren't you?

You never cease to surprise me, Jim.

Yechh!

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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 00:59:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: You did it AGAIN, you stupid, stupid fool!!!
Message:
In case you didn't notice, you just jumped off-topic AGAIN. You're hopeless, Mili. After years of trying to talk with you I'm left with the strong impression that you're either a coward too afraid of a frank discussion about your dumb-ass guru OR stupid as all get out.
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:23:05 (GMT)
From: audience
Email: fitz..oops!
To: Jim
Subject: exit Mili stage left pursued by a bear (nt)?
Message:
like a coward.
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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 00:33:00 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Why are you being evasive?
Message:
Why are you being evasive?

We were discussing Maharaji's tennis courts, etc., stick to the subject. You don't want to, do you?

As to my experiences with 'the Knowledge', what do you mean by 'the Knowledge'? Meditating using the old techniques or the new techniques, kissing his feet, listening to Maharaji, 'serving' him, the ashram? What exactly do you want to know? Do you only want to hear about feel-good experiences, or also bad experiences?

I suppose what you are implying is that if I felt anything good during all those years, then it is because of 'Maharaji's grace'. I suppose you also think that if I felt anything bad, it wasn't Maharaji's fault, but mine. Is that what you think? If so, you are brainwashed.

As several people here have noted, they still meditate in some form. Meditation is not the issue. I was taught the techniques by a mahatma who later left Maharaji, not by Maharaji. Maharaji oddly enough changed them years later. He changed the techniques as taught by his 'Father'. Why? Was that a correction, did his 'Father' teach the 'Knowledge' incorrectly? Are the new ones now perfect?

Tell me, do you see any faults with Maharaji's personality, body, lifestyle, behavior, what he says, or the way he treats others? Any faults at all? If so, name one.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:02:50 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: a True Lover
Subject: You didn't fool me this time.....
Message:
Ahhh HA..... I KNOW who this is.... he he he :-)

So, how's your day goin'?

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:41:50 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: You THINK so, eh?
Message:
That goes to show just how ignorant you are. You KNOW NOTHING! All your so-called 'knowledge' is ALL ILLUSION! Maharaji's Knowledge is the ONLY REALITY!

My die, I mean day, how is it going? What do you mean, how is it GOING?

LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:08:49 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: OOPS! The gig is up.
Message:
Meant to keep going by 'A True Lover'. That was the old fanatic in me coming out. Down boy, down!

So, were you right?

My day is going ok, listening to some good music, doing some household stuff.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 18:57:53 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: a True Lover
Subject: You see? You're going to DIE!
Message:
That was absolutely brilliant. Come on own up and take some acclaim for that. Was it you Jim?
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 19:35:41 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: You're going to DIE SOONER!
Message:
I'm serious. How can you even THINK that I'm Jim, that cynical cold-hearted swearing arrogant atheist who ONLY HATES! He even wants to track down that beautiful premie who expressed such love from her heart and squeeze her face, probably sending her to the hospital! Yes, and he's got one of his followers trying to finding out her address! Even his last name, HELLer, shows where he's coming from.

As far as I'm concerned, all atheists are EVIL. They think they can do anything they want, kill, rape, steal, and it doesn't matter because life is just a meaningless joke anyway. They think they won't face the consequences. Don't you know that atheism is responsible for communism and fascism? They have no morals, how can they?

Just for that, my Maharaji will make sure you DIE SOONER!

As for Jim, I have a strong feeling that he is Ravana himself.

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:04:15 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: OOPS! The cat's out of the bag, ok, it was me.
Message:
I meant to keep the 'A True Lover' moniker.

No, I did not mean that stuff, I haven't gone back to the cult.

Oh well, so much for that, I was going to keep the farce going.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 19:01:25 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: G
Subject: You're on form G baby, Great Stuff! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 18:22:43 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: a True Lover
Subject: On Death
Message:
Kahlil Gibran, 'The Prophet,' On Death,

Then Almitra spoke, saying, We would ask now of Death.
And he said:
You would know the secret of death.
But how shall you find it unless you seek it in the heart of life?
The owl whose night-bound eyes are blind unto the day cannot unveil the mystery of light.
If you would indeed behold the spirit of death, open your heart wide unto the body of life.
For life and death are one, even as the river and the sea are one.

In the depth of your hopes and desires lies your silent knowledge of the beyond;
And like seeds dreaming beneath the snow your heart dreams of spring.
Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity.
Your fear of death is but the trembling of the shepherd when he stands before the king whose hand is to be laid upon him in honour.
Is the shepherd not joyful beneath his trembling, that he shall wear the mark of the king?
Yet is he not more mindful of his trembling?

For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun?
And what is it to cease breathing, but to free the breath from its restless tides, that it may rise and expand and seek God unencumbered?

Only when you drink from the river of silence shall you indeed sing.

And when you have reached the mountain top, then you shall begin to climb.
And when the earth shall claim your limbs, then shall you truly dance.

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Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 21:00:37 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Famous last words: 'Oh shit, I'm dying' U2? (nt)
Message:
Famous last words: 'Oh shit, I'm dying' U2? (nt)
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Date: Tues, Mar 21, 2000 at 05:47:42 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: By splitting a gut??? (NT)
Message:
qqqqqqqqqqqqq
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 20:11:42 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Death's a way of NOT having to say 'I'm sorry'
Message:
What say we ask for a compromise? Maharaji gets to be cult leader for a lifetime but has to commit to a death-bed confession.
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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 23:49:57 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Death's a way of NOT having to say 'I'm sorry'
Message:
Well, I'm not sure what luck you'd have getting m to confess to anything at any time, but hey, miracles can happen Jim! You didn't flame me for that syrupy shit you so kindly quoted in your message! :-)

Stonor

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Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 17:47:42 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: This is a fun site!
Message:
That's a novel thread Mili. Something took the sun out of your Sunday? I hope not.
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