Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 22:25:06 (GMT)
From: Apr 20, 2000 To: May 02, 2000 Page: 3 Of: 5


Popeye -:- Thanks -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 08:36:19 (GMT)
__ Pauline Premie -:- Thanks -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 23:26:01 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Thanks for what? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:25:41 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Ooops. Mistake. We don't lie. Do we? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:49:54 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Thanks -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 18:07:41 (GMT)
__ __ Observer -:- Thanks -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 22:12:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ Hal -:- Hey Observer -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 07:10:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Observer -:- Hey Hal -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 18:08:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Observer : I changed to the Independant -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 06:59:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Really Observer -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:17:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Observer -:- Really Observer -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 21:56:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Speaking for myself obs -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:13:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Obs -:- Speaking for myself obs -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:07:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Ha ha ha! The ol' premie evil eye -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:59:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Speaking for myself obs -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:28:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Observer -:- Observer : I changed to the Independant -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:53:42 (GMT)
__ CBI -:- A dark cloud in the distance -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:34:44 (GMT)
__ __ CBI -:- Incorrectly placed post -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:52:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ CBI -:- Incorrectly placed post -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:55:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- In a premie's life, who's the most important? -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 15:33:15 (GMT)
__ Way -:- To Popeye -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:29:52 (GMT)
__ __ Popeye -:- To Way -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 22:21:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Back to Popeye -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 14:39:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Popeye -:- Back to Way -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 15:52:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You're the liar, Popeye -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:55:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Once again to Popeye -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 16:35:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Popeye -:- End of discussion Way -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 21:46:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- You sound a lot like Bjorn-- Popeye???? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:45:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- If that's true, maybe it's time for Super FA! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 14:51:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Unintelligible (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:58:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:End of discussion Way -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:31:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Way -This is Bjorn again!!! nt -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:47:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Very important point, Way -- all should take note -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 15:02:41 (GMT)
__ Huh? -:- Thanks -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:48:31 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Hey Popeye -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:36 (GMT)
__ __ bb -:- castro apologist -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:48:06 (GMT)

beaver -:- Hate and Vulnerability -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 05:47:34 (GMT)
__ beaver -:- Re: Hate and Vulnerability -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 05:03:52 (GMT)
__ Eddie Haskell -:- Hey Squirt -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 21:23:27 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Yo, Beav! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:11:30 (GMT)
__ Suzanne -:- Why are you so hateful? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:05:59 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- The mirror crack'd from ... your side? whose side? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:37:57 (GMT)
__ Read any -:- psych book and you'll see -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:31:18 (GMT)
__ __ Runamok -:- l;ike to hear more about that -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:19:09 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- psych book and you'll see -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 16:00:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ You know -:- something, I honestly -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 20:09:55 (GMT)
__ An Occassional Observer -:- Curiosity can be dangerous. Use it wisely. -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:11:36 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Hate and Vulnerability -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:30:25 (GMT)
__ __ B -:- Time to grow up Anth -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:32:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Time to grow up -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:09:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- Time to grow up -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 21:55:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bb -:- this is actual?? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:35:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Did I get it right B?, -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 11:43:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- You didn't, but did I get it right , Anth?, -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 23:17:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- You didn't, but did I get it right , Anth?, -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:54:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Let's see your cards, B -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 02:33:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- For the nth time, the problem with that argument -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:44:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- What's your level of education? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:17:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- What's your level of education, Jim? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:33:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- What's your level of education, Jim? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:38:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Time to grow up B -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:49:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- Time to grow up B? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 22:31:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Where are you? (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:18:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- I'm right here! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:48:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ EV-ex -:- Time to grow up B -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:48:09 (GMT)
__ __ Hal -:- Hi Anth -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:53:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- doubt is the ultimate sin???? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:34:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- doubt is the ultimate sin???? So sez the Maha -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:46:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- The ship is sinking -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:26:47 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll ! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:15:31 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Really Curious? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:07:26 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- M exploits vulnerabilities -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:41:13 (GMT)

Jim -:- Mike and Joe, please read! Important (but ot) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:11:03 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Jim, do you read the Onion, EVERY day? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:45:09 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Well, it 'comes out' each Tuesday (and it's free) -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:10:34 (GMT)
__ Powerman -:- Mike and Joe, please read! Important (but ot) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:16:40 (GMT)
__ __ Mike -:- Read my post to you, below Powerman! (nt) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:57:35 (GMT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- Mike and Joe, please read! Important (but ot) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 05:58:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ eBay -:- eBay item - Elian Gonzalez for sale -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 20:34:57 (GMT)

Jim -:- Interesting off-topic evolution shit -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 02:29:51 (GMT)
__ bb -:- cool fusion -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:53:13 (GMT)

G -:- Tech Support Nietzsche Style (ot) -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 19:22:01 (GMT)
__ tester -:- Tech Support Nietzsche Style (ot) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 22:11:14 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Tech Support Darwinian Style (ot) -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 21:57:49 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Link wouldn't work for me-anyone else?( nt) -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 20:46:36 (GMT)
__ __ Mike -:- Server might be down -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 20:58:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Help Desk -:- Server down, my ass! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:29:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- I believe the server WAS down. -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:51:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mike -:- I believe the server WAS down. -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:38:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ N. from Help Desk -:- You are not worthy of my anger -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 18:30:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ The pinging spade -:- You are not worthy ... remember that -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:34:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ The Knowledge Help Desk -:- Problem with The Knowledge ? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 20:17:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ATT -:- Problem with The Knowledge ? -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:03:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- Got in fine. -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 22:10:38 (GMT)

james flynn -:- what a long strange trip it's been -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 16:27:13 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- We might know each other -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:20:30 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- what a long strange trip it's been -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 04:38:51 (GMT)
__ __ James Flynn -:- what a long strange trip it's been -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 13:25:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- what a long strange trip it's been -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 14:23:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- teenage premies -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:44:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ James Flynn -:- teenage premies -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 11:41:10 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- receiving knowledge in the olden days -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:27:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Unreal! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:47:20 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- what a long strange trip it's been -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 01:24:38 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- long strange trip -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 17:37:18 (GMT)

Helen -:- DC exes -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 02:29:48 (GMT)
__ Scott T. -:- DC exes -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 04:46:53 (GMT)
__ __ Helen -:- DC exes -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 11:19:54 (GMT)

ET -:- LOTU Available for 29.95 -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 01:33:46 (GMT)
__ Try -:- Reel. com - LOTU for 20.99 (nt -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:22:04 (GMT)
__ __ ET -:- True, but 2-3 week delay vs. 3 day ship (nt) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:32:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- But Amazon has got it right when it says: 'Browse -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:06:01 (GMT)
__ Paul -:- Can anyone get copies of 'Satguru has Come' or -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:12:53 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Cool, I ordered my very own copy....Brian? -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 06:06:35 (GMT)
__ __ ET -:- LOTU Has Come! -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 00:30:53 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- Hi from the US!! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 00:56:57 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- JM, SB, Helen, Scott, G -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:32:41 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Hi from the US!! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:36:41 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Organizing the anit cult troops -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:56:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- The War is Over. -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:41:41 (GMT)
__ bb -:- JM!! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 22:43:35 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- JM!! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 23:03:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ bb -:- JM!! -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:33:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bb -:- tour info? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 04:09:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- tour info? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:58:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ bb -:- tour info? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:50:45 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Hi from Denver! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 17:17:58 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Hi from Denver! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:08:29 (GMT)
__ Paul -:- Any plans to be in the Midweslt- -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:20:49 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- BBQ plans. Katie and Brian? -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:26:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- BBQ plans?? and BYOB... -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:43:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I'm a good cook .... -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:11:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- I'm a good cook .... -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:28:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- So am I... -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 16:19:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bb -:- I'm a good eater..(nt) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:51:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- More on BBQ -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:06:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- More on BBQ -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 02:33:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bb -:- Moron BB? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:53:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Moron BB? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:24:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ bb -:- Moron BB? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:57:38 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Hi from the US!! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 02:06:31 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Robyn, your typing's slurred..(nt) -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:45:34 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Hi from the US!! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 01:24:09 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Hi from Ireland -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:11:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Jean Michel ALMOST IN JAIL!!! -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 23:53:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Jean Michel ALMOST IN JAIL!!! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:26:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- Jean Michel ALMOST IN JAIL!!! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:15:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I had a hard time refraining from laughing! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:24:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Have some rispect fer the law, French boy! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 01:46:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Hi from Ireland -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:28:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Mass at St. Gervais in Paris -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 16:36:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- That was about these old cafes! -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 01:38:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Helen/Robyn -:- update on sb and jm's journey to the east -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 20:24:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- update on sb and jm's journey to the east -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 02:49:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- update on sb and jm's journey to the east -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 21:00:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Well...gee...thanks -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 03:05:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- update on sb and jm's journey to the east -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 20:26:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- update on sb and jm's journey to the east -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 20:44:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- For a deep spiritual experience... -:- Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 16:14:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Do you have ___ in France? -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:20:12 (GMT)

JW -:- What Maharaji said in the recent Satellite Feed -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 22:31:16 (GMT)
__ Deputy Dog -:- The pauses are so the translators can keep up (nt) -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:26:06 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Wrong Dog. -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:32:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Right AJW -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:09:24 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Are you kidding? How'd you get this? -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 22:43:14 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- I Can't Reveal My Source.... -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 23:07:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mike -:- A question...... WAY OT! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 19:37:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mike -:- Another WAY OT question.... -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 20:15:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mike -:- EXCELLENT, JW! -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 03:08:05 (GMT)

infinity trade -:- qquestionerxx@yahoo.com -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 21:43:50 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- qquestionerxx@yahoo.com -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:37:40 (GMT)
__ infinity trade -:- Watching you -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 23:29:08 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- It was organic tomato ketchup -:- Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:40:14 (GMT)


Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 08:36:19 (GMT)
From: Popeye
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Thanks
Message:
Thanks for this site.
Thanks for writing all the lies.
Thanks for showing me that Knowledge without a Master is absolutely worthless.
I am truly grateful.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 23:26:01 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Thanks
Message:
Yes Popeye, I also find this forum, inspiring, because it shows the horror of what life would be like without Maharaji. I was just so grateful today, as I wrote a check out and gave it to Yoram Weiss so I could give the little I have so they could build a luxury indoor spa/recording studio in Amaroo for Maharaji. And even though I spent my rent money and am now living in my car, it is just so beautiful. I even have Maharaji as the beneficiary on my life insurance policy, and, if he needs another gold toilet for his home, I would gradly stick my head in the oven and give him what he needs. You see, without Maharaji, we are worthless flesh-eating bacteria, and there is no point in living without having that gratitude for that love, that truth, that peace, that place, that fulfillment, that gift, that experience. I really feel just so much gratitude for being synchronized, for that gift of synchronization.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:25:41 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Thanks for what?
Message:
Pope ye, sorry, Pop Eye(&I?)

Popeye, (you am wot you am?)


Anyway ...

you say:

'Knowledge without a Master is absolutely worthless.'

Well, don't forget that that so-called master who showed you 'knowledge' also led a lot (a whole lot) of people to think that he was the Messiah.


OH YES HE DID.

And the suckers who were led to believe that lie don't think too well of him because of it. HIS lie.

And if we didn't think that to be true, why would we lie?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:49:54 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Ooops. Mistake. We don't lie. Do we?
Message:
Sorry folks, big time.

I said in the above post:

'And if we didn't think that to be true, why would we lie?'

On second reading (after posting, that is) I can see that I might have implied that 'we' lie.

That was NOT intended.

Personally speaking, my posts here are not intended to deceive.

Are yours, Mr/Mrs/Miss Beaver?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 18:07:41 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Thanks
Message:
De didle de de de ... Popeye the sailor man,

Have you ever tried practising Knowledge without a master?

I have and it works just the same, thanks.

In fact it's great to clear the fat little egomaniac out of the way!!!

Maybe one day you'll join us? Never say never!

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 22:12:37 (GMT)
From: Observer
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Thanks
Message:
Hal Said>>>>>Have you ever tried practising Knowledge without a master?I have and it works just the same, thanks.

Explains a lot Hal. How real was the master was for you when you were a premie? Not very -obviously. I wouldn't be too proud of myself if were you.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 07:10:32 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Hey Observer
Message:
Watch that spiritual arrogance will you? Spiritual egotism is said to be the worst kind. You have no idea at all what anyone's connection to 'the master ' has been. Let's just say that I did more than my share of toe kissing , pranaming, ashraming, arti-ing, aspirant co-ordinatoring, working for Maha full timing, area co-ordinating, being around him personally-ing and not to mention hours , thousands of hours of meditating ( later on practising ).

Enough -ings to realise finally that M and K are just ..well

Nothing unique or very special at all.....

If it works for you then fine, but I'm glad to be out of the cult.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 18:08:37 (GMT)
From: Observer
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Hey Hal
Message:
Yeah, yeah, yeah but how real was it all for you? Instead of lecturing me about spiritual arrogance why don't you just have a long hard look in the mirror without anyone else around and ask yourself that question. Nuf said.
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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 06:59:40 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Observer : I changed to the Independant
Message:
I think you got the wrong forum here to attempt that one. What are you trying to do ? Do you think that your arrogant, conceited comment will have any effect? Stop wasting time and write some wonderful poetry for ELK:NO RESPONSE NEEDED THANKS Bye Sucker.
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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:17:57 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Really Observer
Message:
Why not just take care of your own business? What's it to you anyway. What makes you think he's a master? Master of what? Meditation? How do you know he even meditates?

When I was 15 I was a devotee of Jimi Hendrix. No don't laugh , I really was. I used to dream of seeing him live and hearing that guitar wail. I would hear his songs playing in my head all day. I dreamed of learning the guitar and taking over from him when he died. I really got 'blissed out ' playing his records and getting high on hash and LSD.

I see Maha as just the same . A fantasy of my own making. In my opinion M is an illusion. Premies make him into what they want him to be. Why should I surrender my life to a fake vision of a Master?

If you enjoy fooling yourself and fantasising that's fine by me but don't try and sell me the idea mate cos I'm just not buying it anymore. I had to grow up sometime didn't I ?

Regards Hal

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 21:56:39 (GMT)
From: Observer
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Really Observer
Message:
Thanks. I think you answered my question. All that “toe kissing , pranaming, ashraming, arti-ing, aspirant co-ordinatoring, working for Maha full timing, area co-ordinating, being around him personally-ing and not to mention hours , thousands of hours of meditating...” was just for your self created fantasy. For your information, in case you were interested, some of us realized we were doing just that and chose to find the real Master. I'm happy to say he is very real.

Another question Hal. Do you guys camp out on this forum arguing your guts out because your trying to help others or are you trying prove something to yourselves? I ask because I've bumped into so many born again Christians who do just that. Just curious.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:13:23 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Speaking for myself obs
Message:
I come to this forum because I enjoy the company of people who have had a common experience to me.

I spent an evening recently in the company of people who had all received Knowledge at some time. Some there were still into the M system a bit , some a bit more and some not at all.

I enjoyed the discussions, which didn't degenerate into argument at all. There is usually a good vibe amongst people who had the sincerity to seek for a more meaningful life. I don't think there is any general rule of expression on the forum. Some of the folks here are very intelligent and articulate, some aren't. It's all ok. I can take it or leave it.

I guess I've never been able to participate in such a broad based discussion about M before and I find it stimulates my own thought processes about it.I never dared to make any critisism of Maha and it's kind of healthy for my own empowerment to do so. If he's really so remarkable then it really wouldn't affect him. If on the other hand he's just an egomaniac , then I think his ears are burning and his sensibilities are stinging.

As he said once , if you fall from a very high place you smash into thousands of pieces , and can't be put back together again ( my version )

Let's see if that's what's happening to him now. We'll all have to wait on that one for noone knows the future.

I don't know where you live but nothing much is happening in the UK or in other areas in the West that I've heard about.Apparently the attendance in some US cities is down to about 5 for a video prog. Not exactly setting the world on fire, seeing as how he's supposed to be some kind of Messiah or 'perfect master'

I can't compare my experience to yours Obs. Maybe you did see light of a thousand suns , merge with God etc. I had some very powerful 'experiences' too. I still feel 'that energy' inside me. After all it is 'my life, my gift' from the creative centre of the universe. In fact it is ME, Myself.

Why should that change just because I don't want to be involved in the Maha's world any longer ?

Bye Hal.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:07:43 (GMT)
From: Obs
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Speaking for myself obs
Message:
Okay Hal, whatever works for you. But don't discard the fact that there are premies who as I said, realized they were spending their valuable attention on a self-created fantasy and were able to adjust to find the 'real' master. That is a possibility most ex's cannot entertain.

Here's another one that gets most ex's blood boiling. Some premies believe he is the Master, others **know** he is. On the other hand, some ex's believe he is not the Master but none of them **know** that he's not. Where do you stand Hal?

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:59:47 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Obs
Subject: Ha ha ha! The ol' premie evil eye
Message:
That's hilarious. I can picture you leaning forward and staring intently, 'Do you know? I mean, do you really know?' The old spiritual whammy, straight out of the seventies. Or was that the sixties? Anyway, whenever it was it was a long time ago, bud. It not longer impresses. To the contrary, it makes you look foolish. Old-fashioned, really. Like, I can't believe that people still think like that. Next thing you're gonna tell me, you still believe in Castenada. Or maybe will trot out another old chestnut like 'The guru comes to you when you're ready'. Remember that one?
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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:28:30 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Obs
Subject: Speaking for myself obs
Message:
Well that's a deep question. Where do I stand. Well I stand on my own two feet , with nothing outside of myself to lean on. I stand with my own true self. Whether he's the master. If I'm honest , how can I really Know.

I'm following my own guidance on this and I will no longer go against what my own inner guidance is. Whatever M is , fraud or God he just aint part of my pathway to self Knowledge any longer.

What does it matter how anyone finds their joy or fulfillment in life. Maha says clearly that the important thing is to be in enjoyment and appreciation of life. There are plenty of people who achieve that withpout a guru you know. Or do you really think he's the only way for everyone?

Hal

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:53:42 (GMT)
From: Observer
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Observer : I changed to the Independant
Message:
Simple question Hal. maybe you just don't want to ask it for some reason.

Regards

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:34:44 (GMT)
From: CBI
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: A dark cloud in the distance
Message:
Oh joy,

Two months on since I last posted here.

On reading it all now I feel relief at just being able to walk away. How caught up I was in this whole premie thing even though I wasn't a subscriber.

I have a new man in my life. I don't ever have to wait around for anyone to finish going inside. No more family days spoiled because we had to return home for that all important video program. I'll never forget the day that M(in the flesh)called a special meeting at Amaroo. Two of my children were bowled over as he flew past them, he ran over the dog as he backed down the driveway and the vaccuum he created as he tore out of the house left me picking up nick nacks from the front lawn for days. The speeding fines took months to pay and that along with other donations to EV just about had me looking for a second job. Not only that, but I felt it wouldn't have hurt him to hang up the telephone before he left.

I feel sorry for anyone who is a lover, wife, husband or child of premies, they have to put up with so much shit by association and god help them if they complain. I don't know how many times I was accused of being selfish.

Gayle, Gold Coast, Australia

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:52:45 (GMT)
From: CBI
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Incorrectly placed post
Message:
Dear Popeye,

I incorrectly linked my post with yours. A thousand apolgoies.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:55:43 (GMT)
From: CBI
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Incorrectly placed post
Message:
Sorry Popeye,

I spelt apologies incorrectly too. It's been one of those days.

One of those days when having a premie for a partner would just be the icing on the cake.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 15:33:15 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: CBI
Subject: In a premie's life, who's the most important?
Message:
Hi there, CBI

Seems that any relationship that has the Maha in it means only one thing - he's GOT to be the centre of attention. Anyone else - children, family, friends - get the old 'subordinate' treatment.

Hope your new-found freedom is good for you all.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:29:52 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: To Popeye
Message:
Popeye,

Lies? Care to site any examples with quotation marks?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 22:21:26 (GMT)
From: Popeye
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: To Way
Message:
Way
If you don't see any lies here, what can I do?
I don't want to accuse any persons for being liars, and that was not the point in my post. I discovered something reading a lot of posts and journeys. What I found, changed something in my life, which I am grateful for.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 14:39:44 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Back to Popeye
Message:
Popeye,

You say: 'If you don't see any lies here, what can I do?'

You could point them out to me, in quotes, and give reference where they are posted here.

Maybe by 'lies' you simply mean statements of opinion that differ from your own. Those aren't lies. Those are called 'a different opinion.'

Would you like an example of a lie? Go to Maharaji.org. Maharaji claims that Shri Hans was the direct successor of the master Sri Swarupanand. The fact is that when Sri Swarupanand died, he was succeeded by Swami Varaganand, who took over the title of master, the property, and the faithful followers of Swarupanand. At that time, Shri Hans broke off on his own, moved to another part of India and began setting up his own mission. He created Divine Light Mission, with many of the same teachings that he had actually learned from another master altogether, from the Radhasoami tradition. It is therefore completely inaccurate to say Shri Hans succeeded Swarupanand. This is a purposeful misrepresentation of fact, in other words, a 'lie.'


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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 15:52:27 (GMT)
From: Popeye
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Back to Way
Message:
A lie is when a person writes or speaks somthing he knows to be untrue.
Examples: Monica / mistress story (according to Jim fake), story about conference Michael Dettmer participated in, expremies pretending to be premies, JM posts and so on, . Just to mention a few. So if you are blind and programmed to only see things from an expremie perspective, what can I do?

Your example is a statement of a belief, which is not a lie. To be frank I don't think anyone except Shri Hans and his Master knows the truth about that story.

But this was not the point in my post.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:55:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: You're the liar, Popeye
Message:
When I said that the Monica mistress story was fake I immediately identified that little joke as a joke, right then and there. You must be pretty damned desparate to argue like this.

Similarly, Nigel, Joe, TD and I and I don't remember who else posted some fake life stories on ELK to see how much the cult members over there would change our words to fit the current cult dogma. In fact the ELKies bit the bait in spades and showed just how deceitful they are. Pure Orwellian nonsense. Afterwards, we admitted our little trick and explained why we did it. The crew at ELK refused to comment. Weenies.

The Dettmers version of what did or didn't happen at a certain conference with Maharaji was just that: his version. It conflicts with another report from someone who supposedly talked with another person who was supposedly there who claims that Maharaji's family and closest lackies had organized an alcoholic intervention for the Lord. Do you really have enough information yet to say what actually happened?

JM's posts? What about them?

You're a creep. Have you ever posted before? Under what name?

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 16:35:04 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Once again to Popeye
Message:
Popeye,

There are certain facts about the story of Shri Hans. He created Divine Light Mission on his own and began collecting his own following separate from Swarupananda's organization which already existed and continued to exist as the 'Advait Mat' mission. You are the one who is afraid to look at hard facts. What may have transpired 'spiritually' between Swarupanand and Shri Hans is of course unknowable, but that is not the point. The point is that Maharaji.org misrepresents the historical facts.

As for the truth behind the Monica story, I certainly have not made up my mind whether to believe that Monica Lewis has even been Rawat's mistress. I take the reports for what they are - unproven possibilites.

As for the Alcohol Intervention story, I will grant you that some people were too quick to accept all aspects of the story. However, the attempt was made to get all the facts cleared up. Facts concerning Rawat are hard to come by. Most of us here are interested in the truth, not rumors. Give us that credit.

As for ex-premies pretending to be premies in some posts here, such as Pauline Premie, the pretense is so obvious that the posts are intended as parody and everybody with half a human brain can figure that out.

You have posted here before under a different name. That is dishonest. (If I'm incorrect here, please correct me, and let us know a little about your background, if you dare).

If you are interested in debating your point, which is about the Master being necessary for the experience of Knowledge to be real, then by all means, make your case as honorably as you can. I submit that when you think that the Master is responsible for making your experience real, you are only fooling yourself. The only connection you have with Rawat is that you listen to his speeches every now and then. So what!? If I'm wrong here, please correct me. I'm willing to consider what you have to say.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 21:46:12 (GMT)
From: Popeye
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: End of discussion Way
Message:
I sent a message of gratitude.
You questioned one observation within the message that there are lies at this site. For you to do that one could believe in your sincerety. I replied, and since you were aware of some of the lies, then it makes you a ????, and then you explained about the lies.
Next you write that Maharaji is lying about his fathers relationship to his Master (why?). I have no time for such bullshit.

'Think!' is probably a good advice to all of us.

Understanding and experience is something that cannot be shared nor discussed. I think that is a fact I start to understand.
End of discussion.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:45:28 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: You sound a lot like Bjorn-- Popeye????
Message:
I noticed the reference to ex premies pretending to be premies; which is exactly what Bjorn mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Same linguistic style too.
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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 14:51:20 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: If that's true, maybe it's time for Super FA!
Message:
Oh Super FA:

Won't you save us again from this brain-dead trickster? If the rule against posting under multiple names isn't enforced we all look like idiots citing it. Please respond.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:58:06 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Unintelligible (nt)
Message:
nn
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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:31:33 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Re:End of discussion Way
Message:
Popeye,

Please do not come back and post under another name. If you do post another message under a new name, I might be tempted to debate with you, and I'm no longer interested.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:47:47 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Way -This is Bjorn again!!! nt
Message:
fake
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 15:02:41 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Very important point, Way -- all should take note
Message:
Thanks, I never really focussed on that. That's a very, very important point. It's more than that. It's a deal killer all on its own. Therre's nothing the least bit collateral about this misrepresentation; to the contrary, it goes to the very heart of m's alleged authority. I'll have to remember that.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:48:31 (GMT)
From: Huh?
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Thanks
Message:
Sarcasm doesn't read well in type.Moving on...
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:21:36 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Popeye
Subject: Hey Popeye
Message:
Hi Popeye,

As you've joined us, I wondered if you'd mind answering a couple of questions.

What's the difference between a premie and a moonie?

What are the characteristics of a religious cult?

Anth the Fallen

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:48:06 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: castro apologist
Message:
In cuba some think that they are free and without a master, they cannot live thier lives as well.

Of course when they extoll the virtues of haveing the castro master in charge of thier life, they sound like a bird in a cage telling a bird that is free that 'My master changes my paper every day and lso, there is free food and water. It never rains here and I am safe from predators.'

Tough to argue with that bird/guy and help them.

How ever did people breath without prem rawat and his dad?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 05:47:34 (GMT)
From: beaver
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Hate and Vulnerability
Message:
For people on this forum who seem to be united in their hate:

Do you hate because you got hurt? Have you tried feeling your own vulnerability?

Do you think you hate because you enjoy the feeling?
Would you enjoy it if there was no one out there to listen to you?

I am really curious.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 05:03:52 (GMT)
From: beaver
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: Re: Hate and Vulnerability
Message:
That was pretty good. You guys are amazing.
There is so much energy on this forum!

Personally, I don't think we need to fear cults,
premies, or ex-premies, except that I need to watch out
for Eddie or Lumpy :)

But that's just my opinion. I know that many of you
have a lot more to say than I can. I have read
some of your Journeys and found them very interesting.

Thank you for sharing ...

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 21:23:27 (GMT)
From: Eddie Haskell
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Hey Squirt
Message:
I'll pound you the next time I see you, Squirt. And Lumpy will too.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:11:30 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Yo, Beav!
Message:
If you'll check out the posts below, you'll see that there are many here who'd like to communicate with you. Dialog with you, to use the current lingo. When people believe differently and argue honestly, the results can be if not illuminating, at least interesting.

However, premies are not usually interested in this. They post and run. I guess it's because words don't really mean anything, do they, compared to this Knowledge. Words are just too confusing. They're like tools of the Devil...I mean the Mind.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:05:59 (GMT)
From: Suzanne
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Why are you so hateful?
Message:
Why do you say such mean things, but dress it up in a passive aggressive fashion to make them look like questions? Do you do this to other people in your life? Do you enjoy the feeling it gives you to say hateful things to people? Where did you get all this hate? Was it because someone hurt you once? I'm curious.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:37:57 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Suzanne
Subject: The mirror crack'd from ... your side? whose side?
Message:
'Why do you say such mean things, but dress it up in a passive aggressive fashion to make
them look like questions? Do you do this to other people in your life? Do you enjoy the
feeling it gives you to say hateful things to people? Where did you get all this hate? Was it
because someone hurt you once?'
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:31:18 (GMT)
From: Read any
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: psych book and you'll see
Message:
of course expremies hate because they were hurt (and betrayed and lied to and manipulated and stolen from and robbed of education, {meaning youth,money,etc.}, and robbed of child bearing years and stunted socially and shoned by family and friends) Just use your head alittle. It's a process. Hopefully all exes will come out the other end and forgive and forget and not care anymore. But it takes time. (Like any divorce)

Vulnerable? I know exes that went to see the Dali Lama and ended up being reminded so much of the group experience in the hall they cried for hours in their hotel rooms because they got in touch deeply by how much M hurt them with his lies ( of being Lord, etc.)

People didn't just give their hearts and believe him - they gave all their hopes, dreams, wishes,time,effort,attention,concentration,spiritual purity.
So the pain and hurt runs deep. They weren't lied to by their grocer. And that even takes a day or two to forgive and forget and not care.

Some here do carry on with vitriol - which perpetuates feelings in them and others. Some thought modification techniques would surely help. Maybe they don't have the resources or just have never considered therapy of some kind. Eventually they will come around - remember the udder stories - we're all drops that go back to the ocean...etc. The Creator,God-Energy,Supreme One whatever will take care of everything sooner or later. Maybe you will play a part in that healing and maybe not. I'd say concentrate on your own growth,rather than even caring about exes here,not that your not doing that,sorry.

And if M is really a liar - he'll be taken care of karmically,too. All nice and tidy. And if he's not lying - well maybe he'll forgive everyone their doubts and we'll all have a big program in the afterlife.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:19:09 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Read any
Subject: l;ike to hear more about that
Message:
Dalai Lama story from the exes if any of them are online.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 16:00:46 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Read any
Subject: psych book and you'll see
Message:
So what do you think about it Read any? Was he lying or not?

What about his vision of himself as the 'Perfect Master'? Deluded?

Anth the Inquisitor

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 20:09:55 (GMT)
From: You know
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: something, I honestly
Message:
don't know. Luckily, I don't care alot. He (M) has SOME wild karma if he's full of it. But MY 'salvation' doesn't have anything to do with M. Never did. It's all in me - thank God. Or up to me that is. So, wisely , I can't get too involved since I don't care. Each ex or current follower has only himself to answer to. I know I could be outraged by what he (M) has done or not done. But I could also be outraged at Fidel and Janet. Where does it get anyone. I'm a pacifist and a narcisist. Though I give alot to help others - I most say in my defense - because every once and awhile I get a glimpse that we're all in this together.

So, I just really don't know. It sure seems that M has some problems in alot of things. But so does the guy next door and me commenting on him doesn't help him at all.

Regards
And that's the way I see it.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:11:36 (GMT)
From: An Occassional Observer
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Curiosity can be dangerous. Use it wisely.
Message:
Are you not curious why maharaji protects paedophilles and molesters?

Are you not curious why there have been so many suicides in maharaji's cult?

Are you not curious why maharaji threw out into the street so many people who totally gave their lives to him on every level?

Are you not curious why maharaji and his followers deny his own history?

Are you not curious how someone can be god and then not be god?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:30:25 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Hate and Vulnerability
Message:
beaver,

you really are bullshitting here. I doubt you've read much of the forum, as it's not 'hate filled' at all. Why don't you draw a couple of columns on a bit of paper, start reading down the messages and put a tick in the right column for a hate filled post, and a tick in the left for a regular one.

Surprisingly enough, some of the nastiest posts here have been from premies.

Still beaver, I suppose you're one of the brave ones, as most premies are scared to read the forum- it's a bit too confronting to their cult beliefs. Being a cult member you are no doubt aware that no criticism of the master or the knowledge is ever tolerated in 'premieworld'.

Do you really think there's any difference between premies, moonies, harry krishnaz, children of god etc?

Time to grow up beaver.

Anth the Vulnerable

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:32:17 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Time to grow up Anth
Message:
Please answer following questions:

Not practising Knowledge is one thing. Being an expremie is a completely different story. In fact expremies behaviour is according to every definition of a cultmember. Yet they deny to belong to a cult. Why?

If there were no hate for Maharaji, could you tell me one sensible reason to even post here for expremies? The vast majority of the readers are expremies anyway.
Do you sincerely think that the expremie cultmembers writing all this shit and lies, have love and compassion in their lives? If they had, why post?
And are there other motives in their posting except to express their hate, even if some people pretend to be cool? Could you show me one post from expremies concerning Maharaji that have a positive or even neutral perspective of him?
And please don't answer with some crap about idealism.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:09:34 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Time to grow up
Message:
Hi B,

Only a cult member would confuse posting on a forum for being in a cult.

So my answer to your first question is, Ex-premies are not members of a cult. This is why they deny being in a cult. Maybe you should first ask yourself, ‘What is my definition of a cult?’

Maybe you should ask someone you know, who is not a cult member, if they think you are in a cult (You worship the Guru. Follow him without question. Line up to kiss his feet. Think he is some kind of ‘Christ figure’ etc).

Your second question B, ‘If there were no hate for Maharaji, could you tell me one sensible reason to even post here for expremies?’ This is easy. I’ll use myself as an example. After devoting my life to the ‘Perfect Master’ for 25 years, then discovering he isn’t perfect, and he isn’t a ‘Master’, I felt somewhat let down and confused. This forum has been a great place to sort out my feelings about what I’ve been through. (Can you imaging B- really believing the Lord was on the planet, following him, then finding out it was just another cult like the Moonies?).

I don’t ‘hate’ Maharaji at all. If I bumped into him in town I’d be happy to have a pint and a chat with him, and hold no animosity for him. I feel a bit sorry for him really, as he’s been brainwashed to think he’s ‘god’, and this has caused all sorts of problems for him and his family.

Do I really believe it could be possible that the people who post here have love and compassion in their lives? So, is what you’re suggesting here B, is that people like me, who’ve left the guru, no longer have love and compassion in our lives. Do you count the love between myself and my wife, children, brother, mother, and friends as love? Or is does real love only exist between you and a picture. As if it’s somehow evolved into this impersonal thing between you and someone who doesn’t even know your name. Of course we have love in our lives, and it’s for real people, not some wacky figurehead who thinks he’s Lord Krishna..

In answer to your last question, I’d say most posts have a fairly neutral perspective on Maharaji. The trouble is B, when you think he’s God Almighty, anything that describes him as a very ordinary, fallible, imperfect human being, is seen as somehow insulting him.

For example, how do you feel about the following statement about Maharaji: “He’s a short, overweight religious cult leader. He has a taste for expensive cars and a millionaire lifestyle. Like the rest of us, he makes mistakes in his public life and in his private life.’ I’d describe that as fairly neutral. What do you think M? It doesn’t accuse him of ripping anyone off, conning anyone or anything negative does it?

So, as I’ve answered your questions, hopefully without any idealistic crap, maybe you could answer a couple of mine without any idealistic crap too.

What is the difference between a Premie and a Moonie?

What would you say are Maharaji’s three biggest faults?

What does God taste like?

How long have you had knowledge M?

Would you like to call a lawyer (I know a couple who post here.)

Take it easy, and I hope the penny drops soon M.

Anth the Heretic

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 21:55:42 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Time to grow up
Message:
Anth, When I went to the university, I studied sociology. We had to read some studies of behaviour in sects and cults. I recognise the behaviour of cultmembers from these studies. Can't you see a cultish attitude here in the Forum, what can I do? Anyway cultmembers seldom admit that they belong to a cult. May be you should read definitions about cultmembers and their behaviour. Belonging to a cult, means to be exposed to programming, so what the cultmembers think about an issue will be eventually be unison.

Maharaji presented a package. The package was Knowledge and himself as a master. As long as people regarded him as a master, everything was fine. Then people regarded him as a humanitarian leader, it seems like Knowledge did not work. At least not for me, and what it appears to, the same thing happened to expremies.

What ever I will say about Maharaji or what you will say about him, doesn't really matter. No matter what we think he will be what he is. Some people at van Goghs time described him as a weird man with no talent. Jesus was described by some people as the wine drinker. Some people described Hitler as a brilliant man. Anyway people are what they are. Descriptions do not need to be true.

Of course I do believe in love between human beings. But what you are full of, comes out. Do you honestly think that posts here have the purpose to inspire people? In general posts come from anger and even hate.
To your questions
Moonies. I never met one so I can't tell.
3 biggest faults: I don't know.
God. I have not tasted God. To my experience God is light and in Him there is no darkness. (this is actual)
I had Knowledge for many years. But so what.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:35:34 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: B
Subject: this is actual??
Message:
what possibly can you say to prove or back up your claim that 'god is light and in him is no darkness'
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 11:43:23 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Did I get it right B?,
Message:
So, let's see if I've got this right.

You can't tell the difference between a premie and a Moonie.

You can't criticise Maharaji in anyway.

Any bells ringing yet M?

Anth the can't tell the difference either.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 23:17:09 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: You didn't, but did I get it right , Anth?,
Message:
You wrote:
So, let's see if I've got this right.
You can't tell the difference between a premie and a Moonie.

You can't criticise Maharaji in anyway.

Any bells ringing yet M?

Anth the can't tell the difference either.

I respond:
I never talked to a moonie, I never met one, I was never interested in one.
Can you tell the difference between you and someone you know nothing about? If a moone, a premie and a expremie behave like cultmembers or actually sectmembers, I am in that respect unable to see any difference between them.

I can critise things Maharaji has done but I dont know his 3 biggest faults. Do you know?

So the conclusion is: Anth can't see reality because he has adopted a programmed way of thinking and therefore thinks he knows the truth about everything concerning Maharaji and premies.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:54:31 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: You didn't, but did I get it right , Anth?,
Message:
So, you say you could criticise some things Maharaji has done.

What things?

Anth the Curious

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 02:33:59 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Let's see your cards, B
Message:
I can critise [sic] things Maharaji has done...

Yeah? Like what?

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:44:56 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: B
Subject: For the nth time, the problem with that argument
Message:
Can't you see a cultish attitude here in the Forum, what can I do?

Face it, Bozo, no one but you and your other Maharaji cult members would 'see' anything of the sort. The rest of the world just views us as a bunch of pissed-off former suckers. (Tell me, Braindead, if you understand what I'm saying. Because I realize you're a premie and none of this communciation stuff comes easy to you folk.)

Anyway cultmembers seldom admit that they belong to a cult.

Again, Booboo, no one ever admits they're in a cult. So that point's worthless. What else you got?

May be you should read definitions about cultmembers and their behaviour. Belonging to a cult, means to be exposed to programming, so what the cultmembers think about an issue will be eventually be unison.

I tried to make this point the other day, for all I know to you even. Cult members who agree with each other represent a very, very tiny percentage of people who agree about things. So the fact that exes agree about some, if not all, things about Maharaji means nothing. Your trying to argue that it's proof of some sort of cult-thinking means that you're an idiot, though.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:17:16 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: B
Subject: What's your level of education?
Message:
In fact expremies behaviour is according to every definition of a cultmember. Yet they deny to belong to a cult.

I hate to sound like a snob or anything but sometimes when I read this kind of inane comment from some apparently semi-literate premie I wonder, has this guy ever actually gotten much formal education?

How about it, Beaver? Where'd you learn to think critically? At the movies? From your friends? Drom reading the Narnia series? Where?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:33:36 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: What's your level of education, Jim?
Message:
Jim. My university career ended when I once went to India to complete a study of cultural conditions.
You wrote:
How about it, Beaver? Where'd you learn to think critically?
I am not Beaver.
But Jim: How about it? Where'd you learn to think critically about your own involvement?
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:38:58 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: B
Subject: What's your level of education, Jim?
Message:
What is this? I thought I was responding to 'beaver'? I'm going to complain to my phone company.

I started to learned to think critically when I went back to college in '82.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:49:24 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Time to grow up B
Message:
Read my Journey, B. Today, I'd change one of the last lines though.

Marianne

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 22:31:20 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Time to grow up B?
Message:
Re your journey. Did not understand which line you would like to change though. But what was your point?
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:18:37 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Where are you? (ot)
Message:
Hi Marianne,

Where are you?

Last time I saw you you were stumbling down some crooked 16th century stairs in Paris, under the influence of champagne, being led by a loud, rich Mexican who said he was taking you to Spain the next day. (Don't tell him I've been in touch with you, I still owe him money).

Anth the Passed Out Soon After You Left.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:48:04 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: AJW
Subject: I'm right here!
Message:
Anth: Yes, the rich and always loud Mexican took me to Toulouse the next day, and Spain soon thereafter. He's now in the hinterlands of Morocco, where they think he's a local til he opens his mouth. Great rug deals til he speaks!

I'm back in Cork til May 16th. I'm starting to miss SF just a wee bit, as they say here, but I'm having a hard time extricating myself from the Emerald Isle, if you know what I mean.

Don't worry about any debts to the Mexican. You're fine with him -- and me, of course!

Are you still at the same location? Tell me by email.

Love, Marianne

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:48:09 (GMT)
From: EV-ex
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Time to grow up B
Message:
If your master is so loving and compassionate, why is everyone around him scared shitless?! If you don't believe that, then you obviously have not spend any time in close proximity.

Rawat took me for a ride, promising to be the LORD. Well, he's NOT and I'm PISSED.

When you realize that he is not the LORD, how do you think you will feel about it?

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:53:03 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Hi Anth
Message:
Interesting what you said about most premies not even daring to read the forum.

My wife recently visited some premie friends and mentioned the ex-premie org. They would not even take the time to visit. Apparently they are scared shitless of their fragile beliefs being shaken. Mahaha recently said something like 'doubt is the ultimate sin'

It feels good to be out,

Best wishes
Hal

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:34:50 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: doubt is the ultimate sin????
Message:
I can't believe him saying such stupid things!!!!

Oh yeah, he's talking about that ultimate love, and that absolute trust you should have in your 'master' ....

You have to love him, even if he doesn't love you!! Good luck ...

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:46:05 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: doubt is the ultimate sin???? So sez the Maha
Message:
'To doubt, to doubt where there can be clarity, where there should be clarity, my god, talk about the ultimate sin, here is one. '

(Maharaji, July 1996)




PS It's on your own website JM!

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:26:47 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: The ship is sinking
Message:
Hi Hal,

The ship is sinking, the guru is battening down the hatches and planning his used luxury car mart, most of the premies have jumped overboard and swum home, and those still at the table are soon going to realise that there's nothing left on the menu except mouldy leftovers. The promised main course must have got washed overboard in the storm.

(Those who live on the coast should keep an eye out for a dead 'Peaceonearth' being washed up on the Spring Tides)

At least we didn't die in our cells Hal.

Anth the Free

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:15:31 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll !
Message:
If you really read this forum it is in no way full of hate. That's bullshit. This is a discussion forum about Maharaji's so called Knowledge and the experiences or non experiences of people who have been involved in it.

So what if there is some hate mixed in with it anyway? Surely there is some anger and hatred capability in everyone somewhere. In fact some of the most vitriolic and hateful stuff I've seen on this forum has come from premies who say they are having such a wonderful , blissful experience of the divine within.

Don't talk crap and come back when you've got something real to say , Bye.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:07:26 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: beaver
Subject: Really Curious?
Message:
If you are really curious maybe you should read more posts, journeys and the archives. I think then you will see hate is not the theme here. In fact, in posts on this Forum, I've seen honesty and questioning far beyond the guise of vulnerability .
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:41:13 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Beaver
Subject: M exploits vulnerabilities
Message:
Beaver: This site is not hateful. We are not hateful. Many of us are angry that M, and those who ran DLM/EV, took advantage of the vulnerabilities we all had which caused us to join the cult. We discuss these issues honestly and openly, in the hopes of healing the emotional and psychological scars many of us suffered, and continue to suffer from, as a result of our involvement in the cult. If your reading of this site causes you to feel discomfort, maybe it's because the information we discuss hits a little too close to home.

As has been suggested, you ought to read the Journeys section of the site before making such a harsh judgment. I have no doubt it will prove enlightening.

Marianne

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:11:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Mike and Joe, please read! Important (but ot)
Message:
Federal Troops Seize Neglected Child In Pre-Dawn Raid

YPSILANTI, MI--Acting under orders from U.S. Health And Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala, a battalion of heavily armed federal officers seized custody of neglected 9-year-old Jeffrey Boyd in a dramatic pre-dawn raid of his Ypsilanti home Monday. 'Jeffrey is finally safe and out of harm's way,' Shalala said of Boyd, whose parents were written up by Michigan's Department of Child and Family Services last month for 'failure to consistently provide proper supervision and nutritious meals.' Shalala added that the extreme measures were regrettable, but were necessary to enforce the law.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:45:09 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, do you read the Onion, EVERY day?
Message:
Be careful, though. Mike will believe it's true.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:10:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Well, it 'comes out' each Tuesday (and it's free)
Message:
Yeah, I'm a big Onion fan right now. Can't help it. But I bet you are too, right?
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:16:40 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Mike and Joe, please read! Important (but ot)
Message:
Damn, Jim, this bolsters Mike's contention that the whole country is going to hell in a handbasket. Republican's really do care about racism and freedom. It's so great to finally have some folks who are cool and responsible at the same time.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:57:35 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Read my post to you, below Powerman! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 05:58:07 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Mike and Joe, please read! Important (but ot)
Message:
Powerman:

Can't you recognize foreign subversion when you see it? Clearly Jim is a Canadian agent planting disinformation. Get a clue, man!

--Scott

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 20:34:57 (GMT)
From: eBay
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: eBay item - Elian Gonzalez for sale
Message:
Elian Gonzalez for sale
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 02:29:51 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Interesting off-topic evolution shit
Message:
Study shows how insects lost extra, clumsy legs

April 25, 2000
Web posted at: 2:22 PM EDT (1822 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A couple of genes helped insects evolve from leggy millipedes and boring worms into flies, beetles and fleas and probably helped them become among the most numerous creatures on the Earth, researchers said on Monday.

When they suppressed the two genes in beetle larvae, the grubs grew extra legs, although they did not work well, Randy Bennett and colleagues at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah reported.

'We got legs everywhere,' Bennett said.

The findings, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shed light on how so many different animals developed and also have implications for scientists studying human genetics -- even gene therapy, Bennett said.

'They were central characters in the specialization of the insect body plan. These two were involved in making the abdomen, the hind end of an insect, special and different from the middle,' Bennett said in a telephone interview.

'We do see that there are a lot of similar genes involved in most animals, and we are trying to see how they use these to make different body types.'

Hundreds of millions of years ago, there were far fewer kinds of creatures around, Bennett said. Only when they developed new genes could things get interesting.

'Building a genetic toolkit that allows different animals to diversify, until you have a certain number of tools -- genes -- in your toolbox, animals could not do much but be sponges and jellyfish and flatworms,' said Bennett, a developmental biologist.

Once they got a few interesting genes, 'then they could have fun.'

Insects, which include flies, beetles, fleas and bees, have six legs on the middle region or thorax of their bodies.

But fossils show that modern insects descended from animals that looked more like centipedes, with many legs and sometimes multiple wings along their bodies.

A regular flour beetle larva (top), has only six legs, compared with a many-legged version engineered by Brigham Young University biologist Randy Bennett

Bennett said the two genes, known as Ubx and abd-A, helped insects develop the three-regioned body plan that is so familiar -- head, thorax and abdomen. The thorax is the only region with legs and wings on it.

The genes belong to a family of genes, known as hox genes, that are known to encode for master body plans.

They also play a role in humans.

'They don't do exactly the same thing,' Bennett said. 'They do help make different regions of the body different from other regions. So if you look down the spinal column, you see that cervical vertebrae are different from the thoracic vertebrae.'

He said his experiment would not create monstrous babies if tried on human beings. 'If we took (the genes) out of humans, we would not get legs coming out,' he said.

But the findings have implications for studying human genetics, because the study shows that genes have complex relationships and that changing one gene can alter the functions of many others.

And Bennett said the study helps illustrate how animals developed evolutionary advantages. Winged insects have a clear advantage over millipedes, he said.

'When you pick up a rock, when you look under a log, you find centipedes or millipedes,' Bennett said in a statement.

'You don't see them just everywhere, whereas insects we do see just everywhere. So there seems to be an advantage to having wings and six legs.'

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:53:13 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: cool fusion
Message:
But JIm, the research was done at the mormon university in Provo.
The same one that produced cool fusion.
Any mormon is suspect.
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 19:22:01 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Tech Support Nietzsche Style (ot)
Message:
Some humor:

Tech Support Nietzsche Style

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 22:11:14 (GMT)
From: tester
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Tech Support Nietzsche Style (ot)
Message:
Would you buy a used car from this man
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 21:57:49 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Tech Support Darwinian Style (ot)
Message:
I had a contract with a computer tech support company once (francophone, needing to improve English to deal with Toronto suppliers etc.), they were always talking about UBDs - User Brain Dead. Funny thing was, they were always coming late and being called out of class to work - talk about UBD!
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 20:46:36 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Link wouldn't work for me-anyone else?( nt)
Message:
Link wouldn't work for me-anyone else?( nt)
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 20:58:26 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Server might be down
Message:
Stonor: When I checked a DNS, it resolved to an address, but I couldn't ping it. I suspect that it's down temporarily.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:29:35 (GMT)
From: Help Desk
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Server down, my ass!
Message:
For users who are, for some unknown reason, having difficulty with the link, I've taken the liberty of copying and pasting it here on the forum. I've bolded the possible reasons why it isn't working for you

Tech Support Nietzsche Style
When a user is calling in need of help, don't forget that he is a weakling. Only a loser would need
to come groveling to you, begging for crumbs of help that may fall from your godlike lips. And he
knows that he is a loser in the race of the weak and the strong, that his kind is doomed to
extinction. Therefore, show him no mercy. Treat him with the utter contempt that he deserves. It is
the law of nature that you should do so.

Key Phrases:

'You aren't very smart, are you?'
'I can't believe you call yourself a programmer!'
'Our product is obviously too complex and advanced for you. Please desist from using it --
you are soiling it.'

Nevertheless, there may come a time when you actually must help the user, even though he is
sucking away your magnificent intellectual vitality with his grotesque shambling confusion. He is a
lower form of life and you must make him feel it, lest he take on ambitions of evolving to your level.

Key Phrases:

'Now I will read aloud the section of the manual that you failed to comprehend.'
'You have ignominiously blundered on line 35, committing an error that a Mongoloid
programming an abacus would be ashamed of.'
'What you've done in your function foo is the coding equivalent of failing to empty your
colostomy bag.'

Alas, upon occasion there comes a time when it is obvious that the compiler is at fault. This is no
reason to let the user feel superior to anyone, however. The design of a compiler is still far beyond
his limited mental capacities. His duty is to worship, not criticize.

Key Phrases:

'The inner workings of the compiler are far beyond your antlike comprehension.'
'That behavior is described in ANSI specification 21.11.45.7.3.8. You are familiar with that
section, I assume...'
'Our software can behave in that manner only if it has been corrupted by long exposure to
users of your caliber.'

And finally, a user may eventually want you to code something for him, or send him an example.
The user has asked something that is against the laws of nature. Such creatures as himself exist to
serve you and not you him. Therefore such a request is impossible and against nature, and does
not exist, and therefore never happened. Response is not possible.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 13:51:40 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Help Desk
Subject: I believe the server WAS down.
Message:
Where's the anger coming from? I tried again later and got in. I thought I made it clear in my second post - that was my reaction to it.
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:38:59 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: I believe the server WAS down.
Message:
Stonor: Since we both likely use different routers, it IS likely that the server itself was down, rather than some interconnection. But, likewise, I was able to get in within the hour.

Memo to Help Desk: It 'appears' that the server WAS temporarily down, given the fact that it couldn't be pinged or accessed through two different paths..... please refrain from angry responses to us poor, ignorant users. he he he he :-)

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 18:30:24 (GMT)
From: N. from Help Desk
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: You are not worthy of my anger
Message:
You should be grateful that I deigned to even talk down to you. I cannot help but feel anger about your supidity.

You must have spelled 'ping' wrong. The two paths you tried must have been broken, or more likely, you didn't know what you were doing. We use Windows NT, so our server could not have been down. I just tried it and it's working fine. Try it again.

You got one thing right, you're ignorant.

N

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:34:50 (GMT)
From: The pinging spade
Email: None
To: the whole of creation
Subject: You are not worthy ... remember that
Message:
You are not worthy ... remember that

you are not worthy ... remember that

You are not worthy ... remember that

your duty is to worship, not criticize.
















(Remind you of anyone?)

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 20:17:42 (GMT)
From: The Knowledge Help Desk
Email: None
To: The pinging spade
Subject: Problem with The Knowledge ?
Message:
You say you tried The Knowledge version 2000 and it didn't work for you. Perhaps you had some doubt when you tried it. Knowledge 2000 doesn't work if you're having doubts. You obviously have doubts since you called with a so-called problem. Get rid of your doubts and try again. If you call again, I will have to assume you did not successfully get rid of your doubts. Doubts can be eliminated with Keeping in Touch 2000.

I contacted The Author and He said that their are no bugs in Knowledge 2000. So there must not be any.

You say that The Knowledge 2000 doesn't not work as advertised. That is, it didn't give you 'God realisation'. That feature was eliminated years ago and replaced with 'self awareness'. I suggest you check the current user guide for current features. The user guide now comes in the form of videos. THe cost of each documentation video is $45 for a commununity setting viewing or $25 for pay-per-view. If you cannot afford this, you must not have been sincere enough in trying to get a high-paying job.

Remember also, pressing the Gratitude button is required to keep The Knowledge 2000 in an active state. You probably were not pressing the Gratitude button often enough.

So, you low-consiousness, ungrateful, hateful, ex-so-called-cult-cult demon, the next time you call, the first words I want to hear are 'Thank You, Author!'.

P.S. Remember: part of your User Agreement is to not make any illegal copies of The Knowledge 2000. While not legally binding, your User Agreement IS binding in the eyes of The Author. I noticed that bootleg copies of different versions of Knowledge 2000 are on web pages affiliated with this site. Such breaches of the User Agreement will be met with the severest of penalties, far beyond what the law can dish out. This is just a loving warning.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:03:09 (GMT)
From: ATT
Email: None
To: The Knowledge Help Desk
Subject: Problem with The Knowledge ?
Message:
'We know that communication is a problem, but the
company is not going to discuss it with the employees.'

(Switching supervisor, AT&T Long Lines Division)

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 22:10:38 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Got in fine.
Message:
Zoooooommmmmm
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 16:27:13 (GMT)
From: james flynn
Email: sharkdc
To: Everyone
Subject: what a long strange trip it's been
Message:
Hello fellow ex-premies I just discovered this web site, I have wondered for many years now what became of Guru Maharaji and DLM after dropping out for good around 1977. I was only 12 years old when I recieved knowledge in 1972 and I thought this spirtual path was going to be the end of all my problems, the end of all my suffering. I was from a very dysfunctional alchoholic familiy, DLM look like an excellant way out. I remember the statement 'surrender the reins of your life to me and I will give you peace.' I took him at his word. I remember Blue Aquarious, the not so holy familiy and all the cult songs to, like The Lord of the Universe has Come to Us This Day and all that crap. I honestly didn't exspect to find anything about Maharaj Ji twenty some years later, I kinda though old father divine would have faded out of existance by now. It's a better racket than I thought it was playing God, recession proof.

I was delighted to see this site, ex-premies offering their support to each other. DLM particuliarly in the 70's was a very disillussioning experience. Maharaj Ji's devotees, we were all so sincere and we were all being taken for a ride. Spirtually raped as it were, it made me very skeptical, a hard core agnostic, I still have problems with the concept of God and intuitively mistrust anything that requires me to have faith in the unseen.

I went to Satsang in DC at the Fessenden St. Ashram mainly and many other places afterwards. I was with DLM almost from the beggining.Millenium 73, Guru Puga 74, Orlando 76 and many other festivals. I lived in premie houses and was a true believer. Iwould love to converse with any ex-premies I think it will help me to heal to reflect on a time in my life that I often think of but really don't understand. If you feel the same RSVP

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:20:30 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: james flynn
Subject: We might know each other
Message:
Hi - I think I might know you, although I don't remember you specifically. I also received knowledge in 1972, when I was 16, and left in 1977 (my Journey's entry is under Katie - Mischa, and I was called Mischa when I was a premie). I'm from the DC area - actually Reston - and several other friends of mine from Reston who were my age or younger received K about the time I did. I remember the Fessenden Street ashram well - also the earlier one in lower Northwest (can't remember what street it was on). I lived in premie houses on South Second Street in Arlington, McKinley Street and Utah Avenue in DC, and Montgomery Lane in Bethesda. I also came from an alcoholic home, and this was definitely one of the reasons I was so attracted to the whole premie scene.

I really was glad to find this site when I did. Like you, I thought Maharaji would have faded away by now. Although I was able to break free when I was relatively young, that was a weird period in my life, and it's been interesting and helpful to correspond with other exes. Sometimes I feel like I have gotten five years of my life back - a strange time which didn't relate to much in the rest of my subsequent life.

There are a few other ex-DC premies who are on this forum from time to time - it's been great to 'meet' them again.

Take care -
Katie (Mischa)

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 04:38:51 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: james flynn
Subject: what a long strange trip it's been
Message:
Hi James,

I'm the non-anything around here at the moment, and for that reason I can't give you any of the support or conversation that you are asking for.

Do you mind if I ask how it happened that you received 'K' at such a young age? And at that age, how could you possibly be fully responsible for making that kind of choice. It also seems to me that many had great difficulty to finally get K. Did they accept you right away? That seems more than a little opportunistic on their part if so. I'm also curious about what motivated you to leave 5 years later, whereas others are still hooked after decades.

Stonor

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 13:25:21 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: sharkdc
To: Stonor
Subject: what a long strange trip it's been
Message:
In reply to your question of how I recieved knowledge so young. I sought it out, I had to attend meetings (satsang) for a couple of months and had to beg Mahatma Travinanand for it. They played all kinds of games with my group and kept us guessing up to the last minute if there was going to be a knowledge session, true to form the Mahatma rejected a couple of people who had been selected right before the knowlegde session began, so the rest of us felt more fortunate and more elite.My father also had to give permission for me to attend the knowledge session and he was extremely reluctant to give permission, but somehow he was talked into by one of the ashram premies. Of course I took this as evidence or a sign that M really was the Lord because I considered getting my Dad's permission a real miracle!

The knowledge session started late at night and ended early in the morning, it took place in the attic of the Nebraska Ave. Ashram in Washington D.C.. Mahatma Travinanand had us put vicks vapor rub on our eye lids to keep us from falling asleep. I was really exhausted when it was over with.

I think I left DLM out of guilt or anxiety, I simply could not do all of things they required of me, it was to austere. The suggested two hours a day sitting meditation, plus meditating on the word constantly, plus this whole thing about chastiy. Trying to be chaste just as you are hitting puberty is a bitch! Chastity is for people over 50 I believe. despite these difficulties and the internal conflict I had about I loved Maharaj Ji and felt very devoted to him I gave satsang and told people that I wanted to be a Mahatma when I grew up. I went to several festivals to see Maharaj Ji and lived in premie houses off and on till I was about 16 years old. The premies that I wound up living with I guess would be considered on the fringes. Most of them smoked dope and occassionally used other drugs. I found this to be the case in many premie houses through-out DC. I fell into the habit of using these drugs as well and eventually became more interested in being with people who were into drugs than I was being with people who were into the Guru.Perhaps that is because unlike M knowledge the drugs actually worked.But that is another story that I will reserve for fellow addicts in recovery. Suffice it say that it has been a very log time since I have smoked any dope or used any drugs of any kind including alchohol. If fact I think I needed to be in recovery for several years before i could even begin to deal with this Guru maharaj Ji thing.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 14:23:11 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: what a long strange trip it's been
Message:
Hi James,

Curiouser and curiouser! And I've heard (from premies) about how much m helped people to get off drugs, become more responsible, etc..

Thank you for your contributions to my m education.

(by the way, the subject of your post has that song running through my head the last couple of days - do you remember who sang it?)

Stonor

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 14:44:08 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: teenage premies
Message:
Hi James -
I left Maharaji because of an overwhelming sense of guilt, too. I don't think ANYONE could do everything that they felt was required of them by Maharaji. Basically, you could never do enough, and that was it. I really never had a good experience with meditation, and I found it very difficult to force myself to sit there for an hour in the morning and an hour at night. I cheated or fell asleep a lot, and then I felt terrible.

However, one of the reasons I was attracted to Divine Light Mission is because they had rules. My parents were drinking so much when I was a teenager that we basically had NO rules (well, there were rules, but my parents got drunk and passed out every evening, and then we could do whatever we wanted.) I lived away from home on and off starting when I was 14, and then I could really do anything. This was scary and I got involved in a lot of things that were frightening. It's hard to have no limits when you are that young. I also felt that some of the older premies cared about me, and that was one of the first times I had felt that anyone who was older than me cared about what happened to me. I was VERY self-destructive at the time when I became a premie, so being a premie probably helped me in that it took me away from the drug culture, casual sex, and some of the weird spiritual beliefs I'd been into.

I agree, though, that the celibacy rule was a problem. I was 16 and I wanted to have boyfriends - just like any normal 16-year-old girl. I decided that I could never move into the ashram - unfortunately, the only other choice was to be a 'householder'. So I kept looking for a permanent relationship, which fortunately (although I didn't think so at the time!) I never found. Two of my other friends weren't so lucky - they got married to other premies at ages 17 and 18, and started having kids right away. It was really hard for both of them - and of course, neither of the marriages lasted.

Congratulations, by the way, on being in recovery. My mom started going to AA right after I became a premie, and it saved her life (literally). I think you are very right in saying that you need to recover from substance abuse before you can deal with the other issues in your life.

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 11:41:10 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: sharkdc
To: Katie
Subject: teenage premies
Message:
Dear Katie:

I know what growing growing up in an alchoholic familiy is like and DLM definately represented an attempt to find a substitute support system for myself. my older brother and sisters at home were always trying to scape goat me so i really appreciated my older brothers and sisters at the ashrams postive attention. In sense it did help me. As I many times the premies themselves were damn good people who were being exploited.

That is wonderful to hear about your Mom being in AA, i tried to 12 step my dad but he drank himself to death. Stuborn Irishman
you know, God bless him. Anyway AA is the best.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:27:38 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: receiving knowledge in the olden days
Message:
Hi Stonor -
It was really easy to get knowledge in 1972, especially earlier in the year. I knew people that got knowledge after one day of going to satsang - no videos back then, just people sitting around and talking about Maharaji in someone's living room. It took me about a month or so, mostly because I had to wait for a mahatma (initiator - they were all Indian back then) to come to town.

The minimum age for knowledge used to be 13, but they bent the rules a lot. It's been 18 for a while - probably because of some fuss about giving knowledge to minors. My sister was 14 when she received knowledge, and another friend of mine was 13. There was a guy who used to post here whose parents were premies, and he received knowledge when he was 8. The whole trip was SO different back then. (Ya wouldn't believe it was the same cult - snicker!)

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:47:20 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Unreal!
Message:
Hi Katie!

Thanks for the explanation. Unreal. As is said, truth is stranger than fiction!

Stonor

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 01:24:38 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: james flynn
Subject: what a long strange trip it's been
Message:
Infinity trade, you're on the verge, take it from someone who knows.

Let it go man, you don't need him. Face your fears, see that is all that keeps you there.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 17:37:18 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: james flynn
Subject: long strange trip
Message:
Welcome to this world of people like yourself wondering what the fuck happened back then!

Some on this site -- and, if I may generalize, the bitterest ones -- just recently left. Others (like me...see my entry under Journeys) left a long time ago and see value...or maybe just Internet diversion...in reexamining the experience in light of all that we've learned about life in the intervening years.

'Father Divine.' Now that's an apt reference. In fact, one of the interesting parts of this Forum experience for me has been seeing how much Maharaj Ji is like any other cult leader; how much premie behavior is like that of cult members everywhere.

We differ here on whether or not there is a transcendent reality -- there are Christians, atheists, agnostics, and meditators here -- but we seldom argue those questions. We are more interested in what happened to us...and we are also morbidly fascinated with the continued existence of the Lord-worshipping cult in its current attenuated form.

Jai Sat Chit Anand!

Bhole Shri Satgurudev Maharaj Ki Jai!

I find it hard to imagine being a True Believer in adolescence. It must have taken you years to find solid ground in your twenties.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 02:29:48 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: Helen RDC@aol.com
To: Everyone
Subject: DC exes
Message:
I just got word via the satellite dish from Robyn's (meep meep beep beep) that SB and JM are wending their way in their little auto to the DC area tomorrow and will be here through Friday. If anyone in the area wants to join in an ex-gathering, pls email me at the above address. I won't be checking my email til tomorrow afternoon, but will try to answer any email at that time.
Happy trails, all.
Helen
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 04:46:53 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: DC exes
Message:
Helen:

Cool! Thursday might be a little tight for me, but set it up any way that's convenient and I'll do my best to get there.

--Scott

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 11:19:54 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: DC exes
Message:
I just em'd ya--see ya soon (finally)
Helen
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 01:33:46 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: LOTU Available for 29.95
Message:
The famous LOTU video is now available at Amazon.com. Just click on 'DVD & Video' and type in 'Lord of the Universe' in the search field.

Abbie Hoffman is quoted, 'If this guy is God, then this is the God the United States of America deserves.'

I can't wait for my copy!

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:22:04 (GMT)
From: Try
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Reel. com - LOTU for 20.99 (nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:32:46 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Try
Subject: True, but 2-3 week delay vs. 3 day ship (nt)
Message:
trade-off
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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:06:01 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: But Amazon has got it right when it says: 'Browse
Message:
But Amazon has got it right when it says:

'Browse other Comedy titles'!

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:12:53 (GMT)
From: Paul
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: Can anyone get copies of 'Satguru has Come' or
Message:
'Who is Guru Maharaji?'
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 06:06:35 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: Cool, I ordered my very own copy....Brian?
Message:
Brian, can the website have a link to the Amazon entry for the video so MANY people can get a copy? I think there is a mailing address on the site now, but Amazon makes it very easy. Thanks.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 00:30:53 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: LOTU Has Come!
Message:
I got my copy of 'Lord of the Universe' today (3 day delivery) from Amazon.com.

It is like a time machine back to Millennium '73. It features all of the 'holy' family, lots of 'Bhole Shri Satgurudev Maharaj Ki JAI!'.

Hear the story of Goomraji's vegetarian dog.

It shows premies (my generation!) and ex-premies; Rennie Davis; and a revelation of the Knowledge Classic techniques.

And endless singing of 'The Lord of the Universe':

The Lord of the Universe has come to us this day
The Lord of the Universe has come to us this day
And he's come to show us the light
And he's come to show us the love
And he's come to show us the way
Back to our Father
Back to our Father
Back to our Father

Open up your heart
To the Universe of Love
And he will fill you up...

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 00:56:57 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Hi from the US!!
Message:
The k review is about to start .... after a whole day of satsang and service.

To say the truth, this place was really confused and spaced out when we got here. Robyn's PC was crashed, couldn't get my email or SB's ... One of the dogs is neurotic, I had to sleep on a shelf last night with the cats and the dogs.

Everything finally got beautifully together, by the grease, I fixed Robyn's PC, and we made an international dinner.

Believe it or not some exes brought some US vodka I never heard about...

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:32:41 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: JM, SB, Helen, Scott, G
Message:
Hi guys!
Wish I could have come along for the rest of the journey! In the DC area and for that bbq at Katie and Brian's! JM and SB both EXCELLENT cooks. :) Also, JM is willing to do other work, odd jobs, computer work, occasional animal surgery as needed. :)
It was great to meet you both and hope I get to meet Scott and G when I come down that way late spring, early summer.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:36:41 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Hi from the US!!
Message:
Bonjour Jean-Michel,

glad to see your North American tour has been such a success.

I hope there are pictures.

See you in Paris

a bientot

Anth sur vacances

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:56:47 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: AJW, JM
Subject: Organizing the anit cult troops
Message:
Hey Anth and JM - You haven't told anyone that all of our international travels are really part of our master plan to defeat the cult, have you? Shhhhhh....

Love, Marianne

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:41:41 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: The War is Over.
Message:
Hey Marianne,

I thought we'd already won, and I was chilling out enjoying the deep, real peace of a Perfectmasterless existence. It can't really be described in words. You have to experience it for yourself.

The way I heard it, there was this online meeting in 1996, with Brian, Kate, eDrek, Sir Dave, Jim and Maharaji, and a couple of premie servants, where they threatened to close the cult there and then if Maharaji didn't comply with their 5 year wind down plan. It included no more public speaking, phasing out videos, no more tours, etc. He agreed, admitting he'd lost his chance to take over the world way back in 76. He saw his biggest mistake as allowing workshops for a few weeks, back in the 70s, where premies were actually encouraged to think for a short period. 'I know nobody buys the guru trip any more', he admitted, 'But I'm like the Rolling Stones. I did my best stuff back in the 60s. But it's all I know. I should never have come to the West.'

So, what's going on here Marianne, is the mopping up of a few premie stragglers. They're a bit like those Japanese soldiers in the jungle, who never knew the war was over. They keep coming out from the trees, clad in 60s and 70s spiritual claptrap. Show them colour TV, give them an ice cold beer, they'll soon realise hedonistic materialism is where it's at, and that the Emporer, is indeed naked.

Anth from an historical perspective.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 22:43:35 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: JM!!
Message:
* JM *

You have to come to Connecticut and stay in a bed and breakfast
In the center of Old Wethersfield
and come visit my heaven on earth here.
If you have some bucks and some time, definately you have to come here.
Depending on when you come, there is a bed available here.
The best would be if you were here for this coming weekend as we are having a party for the 7 year old and it should be a blast.

Finlandia is waiting..
It IS the best you know.
Cups of whatever will be served Covered of course.
As befitting your rank.

I cant say that the trip here driving through NYC would be a picnic, but it is a wonderful destination.

Whatever fits your schedule and funding, and of course the welcome mat is out for anyone else here who will ever tour New England in the spring or fall.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 23:03:13 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: JM!!
Message:
Hi bb!!

SB is now shouting at me because she's not invited....

Well, I'm sorry we already have some plans for the next weekend ..... Helen, and then Katie and Brian to visit .... plenty of sessions scheduled .... and then we'll go back north-west.

Next time I guess.... I also have relatives in Mass.

Thanks for the invitation.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 03:33:14 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: JM!!
Message:
Are youkidding? Of course SB is invited!
I would love SB to stop by.
I'll try to make the New Jersey event.
I wish I could go to DC.
I'll have to check my EMAIL for info on NJ
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 04:09:43 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: tour info?
Message:
If you want it off the forum, please email me about when and where the Helen and Katie and Brian event is.
bburke@rocketmail.com
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 19:58:58 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: tour info?
Message:
Hey bb, not much of an event, just a few people over to my place tonight. Sb and Jm will be in DC til Friday. Then they are going to visit Katie and Brian in southwestern VA. Maybe you can arrange a DC visit with SB and JM between now and Friday? my email address is HelenRDC@aol.com
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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:50:45 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: tour info?
Message:
I'm gonna miss out but maybe in novenber in DC I could invite you to something.
If it happens I will invite you. It WILL be fun.
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 17:17:58 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel, Robyn, et al
Subject: Hi from Denver!
Message:
Sounds like y'all are having a good time! Jean-Michel, or any other Forum fiends I mean friends, if you're ever passing through Denver, stop by and we'll take a drive up into the glorious Rocky Mountains...or at least call me from a pay phone in the fabulous Denver International Airport.
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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:08:29 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Hi from Denver!
Message:
:)))) No Denver this time.... maybe next one?

Thanks for the invitation!!

SB

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:20:49 (GMT)
From: Paul
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Any plans to be in the Midweslt-
Message:
like Kansas City. Should check out America's heartland and the only place to get real BarBQ.
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:26:24 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Paul
Subject: BBQ plans. Katie and Brian?
Message:
not that many until now.

I'm expecting a great one at Katie's ..... Katie and Brian? What should we bring?

This is an actual request!!

I've discovered some great red wine here, no headache, and some great US vodka! SKYY (that blue bottle) .... you can flavor it any way you want, almost Latvian vodka....:-)))


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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 10:43:44 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: BBQ plans?? and BYOB...
Message:
Hi J-M and SB -
If you really want some good BBQ, I'll have to track some down (I'm a vegetarian, but Brian is not. But I don't cook meat and Brian doesn't cook!). And, yes, by all means, BYOB (bring your own booze - bet they don't say THAT in France), if you have found something you like. Otherwise I might make you drink some Virginia wine...

Keep in touch -
Love,
Katie

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:11:53 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I'm a good cook ....
Message:
So they say!!

See you soon...

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:28:16 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: I'm a good cook ....
Message:
I attest...it is true! :)
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 16:19:12 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: So am I...
Message:
...but I only cook vegetarian food. Guess I'll send you and Brian to the store to load up on carnivorous specialties :).

See ya soon, too.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:51:16 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: I'm a good eater..(nt)
Message:
gfh
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:06:20 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: J-M
Subject: More on BBQ
Message:
Hey again, J-M -
This part of Virgina is NOT famous for its barbecue. You have to go east to Southside. You might have better luck in the DC area. Of couse Paul is right that the best BBQ comes from the Midwest - unless you like North Carolina style :).
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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 02:33:25 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: More on BBQ
Message:
Katie:

'You might have better luck in the DC area.'

Pigs on the Hill. It's about 8 blocks east of Union Station, about a block from where I used to live when I lived on Capitol Hill.

--Scott

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:53:22 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Moron BB?
Message:
The local black population can show you plenty of BBQ spots right near you!
Every black density local has it's BBQ places. And very good also!
So when and where?
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:24:35 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Moron BB?
Message:
The local black population can show you plenty of BBQ spots right near you!
Every black density local has it's BBQ places. And very good also!

That's the problem here, Bill - the black community is VERY small. (We live in the Appalachians, where there isn't a lot of racial diversity.)That's why Southside VA is much better for BBQ.

I'm not sure how far we are from Connecticut (we are 4 or 5 hours from DC). Your best bet is probably to try and catch JM and SB in DC, although you are welcome to come here!

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:57:38 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Moron BB?
Message:
Thanks Katie,
I would love to.
by the way, I read your posts about your 3 hour limit for socializing and I thought it was very sane and normal.

When I ahve holiday get togethers with my 5 sisters, we come together and separate numerous times during the weekend just to recharge and not overdose on each other.

And when we have our together times it is a lot of fun and then we scatter in the house and are comfortable with that.

Too much IS too much.
When you sense retreat, it is just right.

I dont think you fit that word you used to describe yourself:)

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 02:06:31 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Hi from the US!!
Message:
I have to tell you if you visit with these people on their travels you MUST make them cook for you! It is the best! :) JM working, slaving over my broken computer all day and then just in time for a short walk and then on to making dinner!!!! We actually had 2 complete wonderful meals at once! Other local exes and loved ones joined in and a good time and lots of wine and lemon drops passed our lips along with lots of good converstaion and laughter! So much better then standing in line all day to kiss you know who's feet! :)
Well, I must finish the dishes cause god knows no one will want to do THAT in the morning.
Night all. Metting exes is the greatest! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:45:34 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Robyn, your typing's slurred..(nt)
Message:
...hic...cough...
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 01:24:09 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Hi from the US!!
Message:
Yes!! JM can cook....

Robyn can bake.

And me? well, I tell you later....

sb

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 14:11:33 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: SB and Robyn
Subject: Hi from Ireland
Message:
Hi SB and Robyn! I'm glad you're having a good time. Yes, that JM is quite nice. You should see him tooling about the streets of Paris on his cycle with his cute little hat on! Was he well behaved?

How are you doing, Robyn? Miss you. I'm comin' home on May 16. Will talk to you soon thereafter.
Love and kisses, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 23:53:09 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Jean Michel ALMOST IN JAIL!!!
Message:
Hi Marianne!!

Thanks for your post!!

Well, we got stopped by the police!! JM was speeding!!
He was going 80 when he was supposed to go 65!! hahahaha
First of all the officer had to tell JM to get back into the car, because JM did not know that HERE you STAY en the car... Then, JM said: ' I'm French...I don't know... I was speeding because I was disturbed by the rain...' It was raining a lot!! The officer preceeded to chew his butt: ' Sir, you are French, you are a guest in this country and you behave this way??? Would you like me to go there and do the same? You are endangering people!! Furthermore, because you are from other country I cannot issue a ticket: You must go to jail!! After I showed a disapointed face, he told us that we could go.... Few minutes later JM was speeding again!!! He is nuts!!!

Yes, we are having a good time!! Ex premies are fun!!
We are right now visiting Katie and Brian... Jm is cooking for us... some eggplants, or something...smells good....
Robyn, Helen and her family are simply adorable people!! G and Scott came for dinner at Helen's and we had a very nice night together.... More later...

Love,

SB

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:26:14 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Jean Michel ALMOST IN JAIL!!!
Message:
Dear SB,
Are you guys cop magnets!!! :)
A good USA story JM, eh? :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:15:41 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: SB/
Subject: Jean Michel ALMOST IN JAIL!!!
Message:
I would have given alot to have seen that...I can't believe that cop was threatening jail. Hey, it was good that you made that sad face. I once got off the hook from getting a more expensive speeding ticket by the fact that I was 8 months pregnant and just a little nuts. When the cop pulled me over I asked him 'what the hell are you doing? I am on my way to an ob-gyn appt. and I am eight months pregnant. Why did you stop me?' I guess the sight of my bulging belly (which also made total strangers point and laugh, it jutted straight out) was too much for him.

JM, it is NOT an excuse to say 'I am from France.' The coneheads did that and look where they ended up. And that rain excuse, that is lame also! people usually slow down or pull over when it rains. You must use the pregnancy excuse. Carry a wig and a 'pregnancy belly' in your glove compartment.

BTW, I love the name of this post. It is like a tabloid headline. Hope all is well with you scofflaws. Enjoy the eggplant and the company. Tell us what funny things you all are doing.

Helen

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:24:57 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: I had a hard time refraining from laughing!
Message:
Because of his accent and his teeth all over the place ....
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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 01:46:24 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Have some rispect fer the law, French boy!
Message:
HA HA! And how would you have explained that, mon frere? You're in the American South, boy, and don't you fergit it! Have some respect, you god dang foreignner!
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 15:28:07 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Hi from Ireland
Message:
Dear Marianne,
Hi, I was asking JM about your travel plans but guess you hadn't cleared them with him! :)
JM told me you are married to a crazy man! In a good way! :)
Talk to you when you get home. JM told me to have you describe something to me from France but of course I can't remember what it is.
I am at work listening to hamzen's music he sent me. If I could have a nap I'd be dancing! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 16:36:55 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Mass at St. Gervais in Paris
Message:
Robyn: I am sure he wants me to tell you about how I ended up at Mass in Paris in the only cult Catholic parish in the city. Everyone was sitting on hemp rugs for the 2 and a half hour marathon Mass! As Rafael said, '6 priests and they all had to say something!' Luckily, it was all in French, so we understood none of it. eDrek says I'm going to Mass in every little burg in Europe, but IT'S SIMPLY UNTRUE! Hey, it's part of my cultural heritage, baggage, whatever you want to call it.... The churches, full of jewels and gold (hey, just like Malibu!), are still very interesting to see. Just have to keep the illustrious history of the Church in mind!

I made JM answer all my cat questions every time I saw him.

Take care, sweetie!

Marianne

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 01:38:02 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: That was about these old cafes!
Message:
where you get that excellent red wine ..... remember? The one we met ....

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 20:24:28 (GMT)
From: Helen/Robyn
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: update on sb and jm's journey to the east
Message:
Jean Michel and SB are delightful and we have been having a good time here in the DC area. Scott T. and G joined us last night for dinner and rousing conversation about the meaning of life, love, and most importantly, what to do about gastro-intestinal reflux, bunions, and other middle-aged ailments. Scott came up with the best line of the evening: 'Never sleep with anyone crazier than you are.'

SB painted my daughter's fingernails blue so now she (SB) is a goddess in her (my daughter's ) eyes. JM slept in the basement in 'Barbie Land' and SB and I thought we'd find him tied up by Barbie, Midge, and Skipper in the morning. JM examined the guinea pig's toenails and offered to trim them. A vet who makes house calls--yeah!

JM tootling around Paris traffic is something I have to see. Take care Marianne and Robyn,
Helen

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 02:49:52 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Helen/Robyn
Subject: update on sb and jm's journey to the east
Message:
All:

Helen's entire family is disarmingly charming, and her daughter is some sort of prodigy. Even the dog (part Golden Retriever, German Shepard and ???) is adorable. JM is urbane and bucolic at the same time. SB is lovely and exotic. G is both vulnerable and impregnable, and as clever and nice a fellow as I have ever met.

We may have all been premies once, but it was clear that we could take the conversation farther now because it wasn't short circuited by the easy answer to everything. Far more memorable and rewarding than a premie gathering. Thankyou everyone for a wonderful evening. Best of good fortune on your journeys.

--Scott

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 21:00:37 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: update on sb and jm's journey to the east
Message:
Thanks Scott for those kind words. It was fun, I still think you should write a few chapters of CORN with tales from the new age fringes. ;)
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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 03:05:42 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Well...gee...thanks
Message:
BRAINY!!

:))) Nice meeting you!!!

SB

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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 20:26:28 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: robyn and marianne
Subject: update on sb and jm's journey to the east
Message:
sheesh I didn't mean to post as Helen/Robyn, RObyn now you and I are sharing the same brain. help, you are stealing my brain waves!
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 20:44:45 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: update on sb and jm's journey to the east
Message:
Dear Helen,
I suspected this all along! :)
Love,
me/you :)
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Date: Thurs, Apr 27, 2000 at 16:14:06 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: For a deep spiritual experience...
Message:
...you should have tried smoking the rugs.

Anth the can't remember where he put it.

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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 17:20:12 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Do you have ___ in France?
Message:
Dear Marianne,
Actually dear, I don't think that was it, but a nice story non the less. :)
I didn't ask JM any animal questions, I just asked him if they had anything we were talking about, in France. It was funny to me, I hope not to annoying to him. :)
The only thing I found that they don't have that we do is creeks, which seems odd to me but I guess I'll have to see for myself some day! :)
Yes, that hat, seemed very European, I can just picture him with it on, on a bike. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 22:31:16 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What Maharaji said in the recent Satellite Feed
Message:
This is a reprint from the last Satellite program, but hey, it's all bout the same:

Dear premies, (pause) here we are once again, (long pause) given that opportunity to have that understanding of this knowledge, (long pause) that gift and that experience of that fulfillment. It is such a gift (pause) a gift that is within you (pause) within inside you (long pause) and that place is just so beautiful (long pause). In fact, it is inside of you all the time (long pause) and it has never not been inside of you (long pause) it is such a beautiful place (long pause). It's like I was watching television yesterday and I saw this commercial for ____________ and it just shows you the concepts people have about what god is, what life is, and what that purpose is. They were talking about ____________________ and _____________, and there are just all these ideas everywhere that try to tell you what that experience really is. And yet (long pause) we have been shown that place, (long pause) which is so beautiful (long pause) but we have to have that understanding and to be reminded of that place (long pause), etc., etc., Something very important is going to happen. I have been working on a project that you may be given the opportunity to be grateful to me for.

[This rambling will go on for about 45 minutes)

Maharaji continues:

We will now have some boring new-age elevator music, which I wrote myself through the use of a computer program that requires me to push several different buttons to make the music happen. Then my daughter will sing devotional love songs from the 70s to me while wearing a low-cut dress, backed up by the aging, but still going strong, One Foundation. I might then be coaxed into standing up and jerk up and down awkwardly in a 'dance' so that you can scream and cry for about 5 minutes.

Blessings to to all the suckers, I mean premies.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 15:26:06 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: The pauses are so the translators can keep up (nt)
Message:
What Maharaji said in the recent Satellite Feed
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:32:08 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Wrong Dog.
Message:
...the pauses are to allow the listener to interject sane, coherent thoughts into the waffle and claptrap that dribbles forth.

I love asking premies who have just seen Mirajy, 'Tell me one single significant, meaningful, intelligent thing he said all weekend- other than surrender to me, worship me, obey me.'

I'm still waiting for a reply.

Anth the Sincere Seeker of Spoof

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:09:24 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Right AJW
Message:
Anth,

People like me go to see Maharaji to depen our experience of Knowledge not to came back with some phrases we can parrot.

If you want to commit to memory a lot of slick spiritual phrases, get a book by Alan Watts.

-- Dogg

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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 22:43:14 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Are you kidding? How'd you get this?
Message:
Joe,

I've been looking on ELK et al. for a few days but didn't see this. Good work! Did Maharaji really say that about his daughter's cleavage? Too much, eh?

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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 23:07:55 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I Can't Reveal My Source....
Message:
I'm afraid if I do that the source will no longer supply me with the information. You know how it is.
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 19:37:55 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: A question...... WAY OT!
Message:
JW: I would have sent an email to make ask this, but I don't have yours and I 'thought' you might know the answer (based loosely on some discussions I've seen in the past).

I recently purchased a couple of cases of BV Coastal Cabernet; it won a large number of awards in competition, so I figured it was a good bet. Anyway, I can't get any info from the company on its ability to handle aging. Have you heard anything about the 97 vintage that would indicate that it can't take a lay-down period of say 10 years or so? I REALLY like old cabernet (and have some really good bottles from 85-90 vintages), so that's why I'm interested. However, I don't want to 'waste' a wine that's best when young or that won't take a lay-down. Any help you could provide would be VERY VERY appreciated.

See, we CAN talk about 'other' things...... he he he :-)

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 20:15:59 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Another WAY OT question....
Message:
JW: Sorry, I should have put this one in the other post. Do you know if the Sons of Champlin are doing any local gigs in SF? Yeah, I know..... I'm a dinosaur, but I do like their fusion(?) style and they tend to play alot of 'up' stuff, ya know?
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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 03:08:05 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: EXCELLENT, JW!
Message:
JW: You still have the knack! I've tried to replicate his drone, but I'm nowhere near that good! You must have been more dedicated than me hehe he.:-)
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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 21:43:50 (GMT)
From: infinity trade
Email: infinity_trade@yahoo.com
To: Mystery Person
Subject: qquestionerxx@yahoo.com
Message:
Oh thanks for the message mystery person. It could only have come from this site. Message copy as follows....'Be careful in your posts. We know who you are, where you are and that your name changes Mystery Person '..... Too much erata in your message MP, you clearly don't know me. If you did, you would know we are watching you, through this screen. ha Ha Ha.(green)
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:37:40 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: qquestionerxx@yahoo.com
Message:
Hi infinity trade,

Messages don't come from sites. This site is just a load of files on a computer- it's not a town in the Midwest. Messages come from people like you and me.

Complaining to a site is a waste of time. The computer can't hear you.

Sounds like you've had an email from a nutter. (We've got a few of them posting here too.)

Anth Unraveller of the Mysteries of Cyberspace

(Invoice in the Post)

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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 23:29:08 (GMT)
From: infinity trade
Email: infinity_trade@yahoo.com
To: qquestionerxx@ya...etc
Subject: Watching you
Message:
Silence hmmmm? Ok then, here's a thought. 'I saw you burry your head in garbage whilest you put Iraqui Baby's Blood in your gasoline Tank.'
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Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 11:40:14 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: It was organic tomato ketchup
Message:
..and if my head was buried, I couldn't have reached the tank with the blood- oops I meant ketchup.

Sad Anth Who's Sane?

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