Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:27:05 (GMT)
From: Apr 28, 2000 To: May 07, 2000 Page: 1 Of: 5


Selene -:- love!! figures!!!!! - VIRUS alert -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:25:14 (GMT)
__ raina -:- A.K.A. Selling Windows 2000 Rapido? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 04:10:17 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- A.K.A. Selling Windows 2000 Rapido? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 04:27:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- Apple Rules -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 05:35:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- another 'us/them' situation that goes nowhere -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:35:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- IBM came first i heard afterall? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:34:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Yes, IBM 'first', but . . . -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:58:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- wasn't me -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 06:12:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- 'raina I *do* think that break is still in order.' -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:25:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- huh? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:01:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- oh! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 18:14:31 (GMT)
__ __ Is MS greedy enough -:- yes -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 04:23:11 (GMT)
__ ps -:- at work it has also affected mapped drives -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:30:18 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- just saw blood's post - sorry!! -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:50:16 (GMT)

Jim -:- I admit, it's an appealing fantasy -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:05:44 (GMT)
__ gerry -:- Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:25:39 (GMT)
__ dv -:- Baby, you're perfumed foam is all I need!nt -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:46:19 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Translation........Ovetones??? (Naughty) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:55:45 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Translation........Ovetones??? (Naughty) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 22:43:15 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- Translation........Ovetones??? (Naughty) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:13:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- I'm a bad boy, I know.... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:16:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- I'm a bad boy, I know.... -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:28:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- No, Danny Devito (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:22:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- yes! Danny Devito! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:50:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Did M miss his true calling then? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:57:30 (GMT)
__ Elaine B. -:- I admit, it's an appealing fantasy -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:48:37 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- to Elaine (ot) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 14:42:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine B. -:- to Susan (ot) -:- Sun, May 07, 2000 at 00:24:44 (GMT)
__ blood -:- Jim...inside -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:26:27 (GMT)
__ __ blood -:- never mind; found it (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:43:53 (GMT)

James Flynn -:- Whatever happened to Rennie Davis? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 10:38:09 (GMT)
__ Way -:- Whatever happened to Rennie Davis? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 14:19:53 (GMT)
__ __ James Flynn -:- Whatever happened to Rennie Davis? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 05:11:30 (GMT)
__ __ Didier -:- What's about -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 14:40:32 (GMT)

blood -:- Check this out....truth about how he uses people -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:14:07 (GMT)
__ Mili -:- Check this out....truth about how he uses people -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 11:15:45 (GMT)
__ __ hamzen -:- You mean unlike the post-modern design on yr site? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:00:02 (GMT)
__ Didier -:- Check this out....truth about how he uses people -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 08:04:18 (GMT)
__ __ gerry -:- Check this out....truth about how he uses people -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:10:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- we we -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:58:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- we we -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:36:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- we we -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 05:40:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Me in Oz?? No, lol -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:17:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ rAiNa -:- Me in Oz?? No, lol -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:30:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Me in Oz?? No, lol -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:36:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ rAiNa -:- WHY? -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:37:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- This is just Gerry's way of dealing with things -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:47:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Plain and Simple, shithead Heller is a LIAR !!! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 20:39:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Give it up, Ger, you're acting like a baby -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:18:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- JIM Superstar!! nt -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 18:11:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Hey Jim! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:55:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Fuck you heller you rotten piece of shit -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:28:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Still funny! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 18:20:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Still funny! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:19:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Still funny! . . . or not -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 00:29:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- yup! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:24:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- yup! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:54:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- How uncharacteristically sanctimonious, Run! -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 00:07:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- How uncharacteristically sanctimonious, Run! -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 13:23:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- jim- you've misunderstood -i think -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 02:22:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Try it, Run !!! -:- FUCK YOU HELLER YOU ROTTEN PIECE OF SHIT -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 00:51:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Le Forum Francais -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:28:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gerard -:- Le Forum Francais -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:07:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Le Forum Francais -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:16:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Gerard -:- Worse, I'm afraid !!! But here's what I was -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:30:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Worse, I'm afraid !!! But here's what I was -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:53:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Didier -:- Re:Worse, I'm afraid !!! But here's what I was -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:11:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ Didier -:- Check this out....truth about how he uses people -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:12:05 (GMT)

Gilead Ji -:- No One Commented On New Title of .... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:19:39 (GMT)
__ Brian -:- Golly Ji Ji -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 22:12:34 (GMT)
__ Gilead Ji -:- Addendum: Did Jim Jones and Maharaji Ever Meet? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:56:20 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Jones and M never met -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 12:01:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- Recap?? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:19:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Jim Jones and M -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 14:13:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Thanks.(nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:24:08 (GMT)
__ __ I tell you the truth -:- Really is his brother nt -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 05:23:31 (GMT)
__ Clinton Ji -:- No One Commented On New Title of .... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:51:21 (GMT)
__ __ Guru Gilead Ji the First -:- No One Commented On New Title of .... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:02:17 (GMT)
__ __ Gilead Ji -:- No One Commented On New Title of .... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:00:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ jondon -:- another way of making money -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:53:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's so funny! -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:08:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:26:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ jondon -:- Racial slurs -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:13:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Racial slurs -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 23:44:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Racial slurs -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:33:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Yes, but I still don't know what 'Beantown' means -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:49:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:31:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ jondon -:- Yes, but I still don't know what 'Beantown' means -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 03:24:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Guru Gilead Ji the First -:- Employment with M -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:35:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Clinton Ji -:- No One Commented On New Title of .... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:49:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Guru Gilead Ji I -:- Thanks for career development counseling.... -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 03:04:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ While we are on the -:- topic of irreverence enjoy this from Anything Goes -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:40:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Gilead Ji -:- I wonder what kind of a MO letter..... -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 03:07:43 (GMT)

t -:- love -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:18:31 (GMT)
__ Ajax -:- Try Ths On For Size -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:08:06 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- great quote(nt) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:08:40 (GMT)
__ __ t -:- Try Ths On For Size -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:08:37 (GMT)
__ James Flynn -:- love -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:13:08 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Premies can't explain themselves? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:23:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ t -:- Premies can't explain themselves? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:18:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ t -:- Premies can't explain themselves? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:07:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- No change -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:58:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- No change -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:24:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- No change: Is called being in a cult! nt -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:12:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- It's called being in a religion, now we know (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 06:58:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Yes, 'cruxifiction'. That's the word! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:56:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ You missed this one -:- here -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:36:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Thanx -:- Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:07:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Yes, 'cruxifiction'. That's the word! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:14:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- More premie-style love and bliss! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:19:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- naughty Mili -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:58:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Why veiled? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:47:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ t -:- Why veiled? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:54:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Why veiled? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:00:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ t -:- Why veiled? -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 20:37:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ me -:- Why veiled?s -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:10:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ me -:- sWhy veiled? -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:12:01 (GMT)
__ your motherfucking friend -:- love -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:21:54 (GMT)
__ __ t -:- love -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:53:28 (GMT)
__ __ trixie -:- Cant read this-nausea. Would an ex -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 07:24:13 (GMT)
__ __ Anther motherfucking... -:- love -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:59:19 (GMT)
__ A Dumb Blond -:- Where do you mention/discuss 'LOVE', motherfucker? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:05:24 (GMT)
__ Lotus Eater -:- love -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 23:36:47 (GMT)
__ __ t -:- love -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:00:27 (GMT)
__ Coffee -:- It ain't lov, Gov!--It's the God business!!!!!!!!! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:59:16 (GMT)
__ hamzen -:- love -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:56:10 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- To save Jim the trouble... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:47:33 (GMT)
__ __ t -:- To save Jim the trouble... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:01:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- t... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:11:20 (GMT)
__ __ Coffee -:- Jim Heller is using his real name! (nt) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:55:03 (GMT)
__ Elaine B. -:- love -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:46:37 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Question.... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:38:37 (GMT)
__ __ t -:- Question.... -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:04:39 (GMT)
__ __ James Flynn -:- Question.... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:23:01 (GMT)
__ __ Gilead Ji -:- Question.... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:27:11 (GMT)

JW -:- Search Engines -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:12:46 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Correction -- Alta Vista -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:40:54 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Also -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:20:09 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- Also a great link to many search engines -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:34:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ dv -:- www.locate.com nt -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:39:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- don't forget http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/ -:- Sat, May 06, 2000 at 13:52:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- HotBot and Google -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:49:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ blood -:- Winning the Search Engine Wars -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:32:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Winning the Search Engine Wars part 2 -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:14:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Winning the Search Engine Wars part 3 -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:27:47 (GMT)

Way -:- The search engine for Forum V? -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:55:02 (GMT)
__ Dave -:- The search engine for Forum V? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 11:50:06 (GMT)
__ Gilead Ji -:- The search engine for Forum V? -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:07:30 (GMT)
__ __ A Way -:- To Sir Dave and Gilead Ji -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 14:33:46 (GMT)


Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:25:14 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: love!! figures!!!!! - VIRUS alert
Message:
Those of you who know what is happening in my personal life, irony always at my side, huh?
:: don't know if any of you saw this, or it's it has already been posted I apologize (too lazy to read all the new stuff) This was in one of our work lists this
a.m.: (for once the typos are NOT mine)
======================ABC article================

Here is the article from ABC.

Virus Attack
E-Mail Plague Spreads Worldwide
May 4 ^× A massively destructive virus that clogs networks and erases graphics and music files
has infected up to 90 percent of the corporations in the world, a virus expert said today.
The loveletter virus spreads through Microsoft Windows Internet extensions and replaces all JPG and
MP3 files it finds on infected computers with copies of itself. It then sends itself to everyone in an infected users Microsoft Outlook address book.
Users running Microsoft Windows 95, 98 or NT who
open a message titled ILOVEYOU find a strange
attachment file with a snakelike icon called
LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs.
Simply reading the e-mail does no harm. But opening
the attachment implants code in the Microsoft Outlook
and Outlook Express e-mail programs which sends copies
of the message to everyone in a user^Òs address book.
Computer users who receive the e-mail should just delete it without opening the attachment, and they won^Òt
be infected.
The virus apparently originated in the Phillippines and
hit Europe and Asia early this morning, said Eric Chien,
chief researcher at the Symantec Antivirus Research
Center in the Netherlands.
Symantec and other virus companies have already
come up with vaccination and cure programs, but their
Web sites were swamped by users this morning.

Destroys Image Files
The virus uses similar tricks to last year^Òs feared Melissa
virus, but it^Òs even more widespread and destructive,
Chien said.
First, loveletter resets a users Internet Explorer
Start Page to a Web page containing an executable file.
The page has since been taken down, Chien said. He said
researchers are unsure what the executable file does when
launched.
Then, the virus searches for all files with the
extensions
JPG, JPEG, MP2, and MP3 ^× the most popular
graphics and sound formats ^× as well as other, more
obscure extensions. It erases the files and replaces them
with copies of itself under the same name, with the
extension VBS tacked on.
Chat room aficionados are extra-vulnerable. The virus
infects the popular mIRC chat program, so the next time a
user starts chatting, the virus goes out to everyone in the
room.
Finally, the program multiplies by hijacking Microsoft
Outlook and e-mailing itself to everyone in an Outlook
address book.
Anyone running Windows 98, Windows NT 4.0, or
Windows 95 with Internet Explorer 5.0 is vulnerable,
Chien said. The virus needs Microsoft Outlook to spread.
Macintosh and Linux users are not vulnerable.
The virus spreads through corporate firewalls because
most are not configured to reject attachments with a
.txt.vbs extension, a relatively uncommon type of file,
information systems managers said.

No Immediate Cure
Experts said they were stunned by the speed and wide
reach of the virus.
Many, many tens of thousands of machines have been
infected by it,^Ô said Symantec spokesman Richard
Saunders.
Carnegie Mellon University^Òs Computer Emergency
Response Team, a clearinghouse for virus information,
had received about 50 calls today by 10 a.m., CERT spokesman Bill Pollock said.
The bug appeared in Hong Kong late in the afternoon,
spreading throughout e-mail systems once a user opened
one of the contaminated messages. It later moved into
European parliamentary houses and through the high-tech
systems of big companies and financial traders.
I have to tell you that, sadly, this affectionate
greeting
contains a virus which has immobilized the House^Òs
internal communication system,^Ô said Margaret Beckett,
leader of Britain^Òs House of Commons. ^ÓThis means that
no member can receive e-mails from outside, nor indeed
can we communicate with each other by e-mail.^Ô

News Organizations Affected
In Asia, Dow Jones Newswires and the Asian Wall
Street Journal were among the victims. The bug affected only e-mail and did not prevent Dow Jones Newswires
from distributing financial information to traders. The
Asian Wall Street Journal would have no problems
publishing, officials there said.
But the e-mail systems went wild.
It crashed all the computers,^Ô said Daphne
Ghesquiere, a Dow Jones spokeswoman in Hong Kong.
You get the message and the topic says ILOVEYOU,
got about
five at one time and I was suspicious, but one was from
Dow Jones Newswires, so I opened it.^Ô
Credit Suisse First Boston issued a global e-mail
memo warning employees not to open the messages, said
company official Tom Grimmer in Hong Kong. He said
the virus had not infiltrated the investment bank^Òs

ABCNEWS Sascha Segan and The Associated Press
contributed to this story.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 04:10:17 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: A.K.A. Selling Windows 2000 Rapido?
Message:
Is microsoft desperate enough to resort to such measures?
(I heard virus only attax Windows '98?)
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 04:27:37 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: A.K.A. Selling Windows 2000 Rapido?
Message:
Hi raina
I have been trying to take a mental health break from here but
have failed. much to the regret of a lot of the males here I am sure.
hey congrats !! you won the prize of ' Selene gone undone '
I like that...
I suspect Bill had a hand in the new virus. I was an Apple Support Coordinator back in the Ed Tech days when Apple had a well deserved edge on the educational market and watched the whole downfall. I would not put anything past MicroSoft.

eeeshhh it's scary being here again........

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 05:35:52 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Apple Rules
Message:
yes-of course i had/still have no idea what 'Selene come undone' means exactly-
but it sounded good!

yes iMac therefore iAm unhindered by these silly viruses in the snobby PC world....
how cool that you worked for Apple....suddenly i'm picturing Bill Gates with a Pie in the face....was that you?! Selene gone undone!?

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:35:51 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: another 'us/them' situation that goes nowhere
Message:
I bought my first Mac about 13 years ago, when they cost a lot more than PCs, on the advice of two computer geeks greatly experienced with both Mac and PC. They said don't waste your time. If you can find the money, buy Mac - no question about it. I've never regretted it, and love the 'no sweat' feeling whenever there's another virus (or Y2K) crisis around.

As to the us/them, I have gotten VERY tired of the PC snobs. Some people just gotta think they're superior to others - I just try to make the right choices for myself. Many people had no choice, as their place of work used dos, for example, but why do they have to slam Mac in the process? Even my 8 year old nephew had been indoctrinated into the PC mindset, until I helped to 'de-program' him by explaining a bit of the history. (As if Windows came before Mac) And my sister would have loved to have gotten a Mac, but due to reason above, couldn't.

I found it interesting that when dealing with the Macignorant support people at my server over the last couple of years, more and more of them are telling me about friends or themselves getting or wanting to get a Mac next. I'm looking forward to my next upgrade next fall!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:34:18 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: IBM came first i heard afterall?
Message:
i first touched a mac...at my first job out of college (1987)....
my boss was always talking about modems and bulletin boards
and even the interns were designing (electric magazines)!
i was like 'wha?'

i've only been lucky enough to have this computer (my first) because of one of
those miracle human beings who appear in my life every so often-

he allowed me to take over a year to pay him for it (still owe him $150)....

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:58:13 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Yes, IBM 'first', but . . .
Message:
It's not like they invented all by themselves. And remember, IBM stands for International Business Machines, not personal computers - but that's not the point really either. Comparisons ARE odious, and so is one-upmanship, and that's the point.

i've only been lucky enough to have this computer (my first) because of one of
those miracle human beings who appear in my life every so often-

I knew you must have met a few good people, and fortunately a few can make a BIG difference! There are a few people in my life that I have called 'angels,' and I have a Peruvian 'mom' too! Definitions can be tiresome, so I hope nobody makes a beef about my using that word (angel). No one has jumped on me for writing 'God' instead of 'whatever-it-is' for a while, and I DO appreciate that, especially because the latter takes much longer to type.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 06:12:59 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: wasn't me
Message:
but do you remember the big breakthrough Apple commercial, the one that really made them take off? I still have it.

The woman running into the convention hall of braindead men watching a video repeating endless meaningless?
something like : to change directories type cd/
and so forth
sounds familiar doesn't it? I remember thinking of the similarities even though I was a premie at the time.
Bill deserves the damned pie in his face.

Selene - so ya got a Mac huh? I think I'm dumb for a smart girl you know? and shit raina I *do* think that break is still in order.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:25:43 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: 'raina I *do* think that break is still in order.'
Message:
i didn't really think the pie thrower was u-
that was just an attempt at a bad M joke you
missed etc.

????
who is this from? (you AND who else?)

'Selene - so ya got a Mac huh? I think I'm dumb for a smart girl you know? and
shit raina I *do* think that break is still in order.'

is there actualy an 'organized' IGNORamus?!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:01:15 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: huh?
Message:
I was talking about ME needing a break.
hey I finally slept. So hopefully will be more coherent.
Sorry if my post didn't make sense. or something.
But I doubt anyone here would accuse me of organized anything
raina :)
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 18:14:31 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: oh!
Message:
i was just watching this soap opera (or i should say it was just on the tv-i have no idea who they are)...and the man says to his woman....'Here's the ho! Start wacking!'...........it keeps making me laugh when i repeat it to myself....

ya-i didn't know what you meant (no big deal)...i wasn't sure if you were trying to tell me to go away!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 04:23:11 (GMT)
From: Is MS greedy enough
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: yes
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:30:18 (GMT)
From: ps
Email: None
To: all
Subject: at work it has also affected mapped drives
Message:
sorry
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:50:16 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: and yet another ps
Subject: just saw blood's post - sorry!!
Message:
see why I need a break? ok....
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:05:44 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I admit, it's an appealing fantasy
Message:
On ELK, Ivette has entered another shameless Kabir rip-off in the Shameless Kabir Rip-off Competition:

Waves of light

With perfumed foam,
waves are moved by
the sun in the endless sea.
When the night arrives,
it reflects the light
of stars with their eternal shine.
No dark can conceal the moon
in the middle of the beauty
and happiness inside of
the infinite love of my heart.
Throughout the day and night
the wise teacher
keeps me in the precious
quietude of fulfilment.
So intense is that feeling.
of the continuous gift of life.

Ivete Belfort Mattos
Sao Paolo, Brazil

But, you know, it is kind of an appealling mind fuck, isn't it? It's one thing to imagine God everywhere, giving you life, taking care of you and all that. But it's another stroke altogether to anthro ... no, make that, deopomorphize the breath as if it's a conscious gift / giver each and every moment. I can just imagine (remember?) some of the premie inner imaginary dialogues as they welcome each breath anew. 'Oh, My Lord, you are coming into me again! Thank you! And again? Why you just don't stop, do you, my Lord, my Lord, my Lord??!'

Yech!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:25:39 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:46:19 (GMT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Ivete
Subject: Baby, you're perfumed foam is all I need!nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:55:45 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Translation........Ovetones??? (Naughty)
Message:
What happens if you just change a few words here and there:

Waves of Ecstacy

With perfumed contraceptive foam,
waves of ecstasy are moved by
the love in the tunnel deep inside.
When the night arrives,
it reflects the beads
of sweat with their erotic shine.
No dark can conceal the flesh
in the middle of the beauty
and pleasure inside of
my infinite tunnel of love.
Throughout the day and night
my wise master
binds me in the precious
screaming ecstacy of fulfilment.
So intense is that feeling.
of his lengthy and continuous gift.

Ivete Belfort Mattos
Sao Paolo, Brazil

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 22:43:15 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Translation........Ovetones??? (Naughty)
Message:
Take it over to AG mister!!! Hahahaha! Sounds like you could write a CORN chapter! :)
I didn't read the original and now I feel I have to...thanks.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:13:38 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Translation........Ovetones??? (Naughty)
Message:
Hey JW, you invent Mad-libs or something?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:16:55 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: I'm a bad boy, I know....
Message:
But I just couldn't help it. There used to be a song they sang at cult programs, I think by One Foundation called 'Tunnel of Love.' I think it was meant to refer to the darshan tunnel, this weird tunnel of fabric and thick carpeting that we used to file down in a line to kiss Maharaji's feet. Yech. Anyhow, I thought a song about 'tunnel of love' had sexual overtones.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:28:52 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I'm a bad boy, I know....
Message:
late night and re-runs of CHIPS. Must be tired because I thought, 'hmmmm...Eric Estrada might be a good actor to play M.' Maybe someday Eric can do the DVDs and allow even more time for M to spread his message around the world.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:22:41 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: No, Danny Devito (nt)
Message:
NT
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:50:27 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: yes! Danny Devito!
Message:
I met Danny Devito ya know? And, I thought the same thing standing beside him as I did when I stood next to M once

'my he is short!'

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:57:30 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Did M miss his true calling then?
Message:
Like maybe he should have been a movie star?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:48:37 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I admit, it's an appealing fantasy
Message:
Why Jim,
Is it only because I'm a woman that I can appreciate that?
It's not because I'm a premie. Possibly an old Catholic,more likely.
St. Francis after all felt about the same when he was leaving his body.
Quote more,baby, I love that kind of stuff.
Elaine B.
It's ok if you leave M's name out of it. I do.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 14:42:06 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: to Elaine (ot)
Message:
I am hoping you saw my reply to you in the inactive thread. Yesterday, I tried to go back to inactive to read the posts you suggested, but had no luck in finding them.

You do not seem at all typical of the average premie who posts here. You also do not seem typical, I am guessing, of the average premie who does NOT post here! I suspect you are not the sort of person one labels typical :)

I just want to say I am happy to see you posting as you do seem to have a unique voice.

Do you have any criticisms of Prem Pal Singh Rawat?

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Date: Sun, May 07, 2000 at 00:24:44 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: to Susan (ot)
Message:
Susan,
Sorry it took so long.
After reading the above post,I went for a spring/summer walk and thought I would consider what to say in my response to you.
Found I couldn't even MAKE myself think about it. So many other things to occupy myself. I don't really want to dredge up my criticisms of M - because of responses I then have to deal w/ from others.
But, I feel most everyone deserves a response and the polite person I am - here goes - a little bit anyway.
1.GMJ-is a stupid person for not responding to sincere people with sincere questions. Why can't he take even an hour a week to answer some question or just help his followers. Maybe he would have a perfectly resonable ans to that. Say...he doesn't want to start bec it would never end. OK - I may not like that ans.,but I could see what he's saying.
I have always felt he teaches Knowledge period - any other ques about ANYTHING he won't ans. If it's about Kn then he has instructors to ans. even - so I could see his side - he doesn't even start to ans. But I basically don't like it.

2.GMJ-as a manager of a group is a bad one.His premies doing service at events of any kind are not monitored so many can tend to be idiots,rude,mean,insensitive etc. Even at Disney World the employees are told to make everyone happy - did you know they have staff that act like tourists to make sure employees are being nice? Not many know that.

3.GMJ-as manager again or director or whatever is poor. Aspirants are turned off, thus away,due to lies or a 'change of mind'...
I don't think I have to elaborate there.
4.GMJ-as a speaker rambles and tells uninteresting stories at times. Or worse - a story about being a pilot to an audience that is sooo poor - not his fault they are poor but,who cares about banking left in the pilot seat. Now again, I could see his point - if he made one - why NOT talk about 'things of the successful' - it may encourage some poor premie to apply himself more in this life. Make something of himself financially.
But I still don't like it.

Susan,there are probably more things, but those are off the top.
And yes,I have heard many times that I'm unusual - it took 20 years to take it as a compliment and just accept it without question.Thank you for noticing - :)

If you can fiqure out how to look in archives for April 28,2000 posts I wish you would - I was really barraged by many questions and attitude. And would personally love for you to read what some of you're fellow exes acted like and in return my responses,of course. I know we all have limited time so I am just asking. No expectation.

I say hi to you above in a post - about 'aspirant lies',BTW. :)

Bye,Elaine B.
PS - Where abouts are you - USA? Coast? I'm basically an East Coaster, but have lived ALL over - alot bec of ashram transfers,but not entirely.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:26:27 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim...inside
Message:
Did I catch a thread somewhere stating that you practice law?

If so, are you available for consultation?

If you are...

Is your email address published somewhere that I could find?

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:43:53 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: never mind; found it (nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 10:38:09 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: sharkdc
To: Everyone
Subject: Whatever happened to Rennie Davis?
Message:
After all the outrageous things he said about Maharaj Ji in the 70's I think he owes it to himself and the people of his generation
(who became followers of GM because of his enthusiastic endorsements) an explanation in regards to why he left DLM and how he feels about Maharaj Ji now.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 14:19:53 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: Whatever happened to Rennie Davis?
Message:
JF,

Other people have inquired about Rennie recently. All I know is that he has been involved in environmental issues, and he currently lives in Boulder, CO. About a month ago, I sent him an invitation to participate in this Forum, but he has not responded.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 05:11:30 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: sharkdc
To: Way
Subject: Whatever happened to Rennie Davis?
Message:
Well I am glad he was at least able to return to political activism after having been shamelessly exploited by M. It would be nice to have some type of statement from him as I believe it would go a long ways towards restoring his credibility.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 14:40:32 (GMT)
From: Didier
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: What's about
Message:
Came,the asiatiq girl friend of Bruno de G?
And somme body know how Julie is die ?She was a other girl friend of Bruno.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:14:07 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Check this out....truth about how he uses people
Message:
chews em up and spits em out
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 11:15:45 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: blood
Subject: Check this out....truth about how he uses people
Message:
Ex-premie art! Wow. I'm impressed.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:00:02 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: You mean unlike the post-modern design on yr site?
Message:
at least try to get a little hip if your gonna walk with that James Dean swagger.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 08:04:18 (GMT)
From: Didier
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Check this out....truth about how he uses people
Message:
Jean Christophe Averty made that a longue time beafore!!!
That the story of the 'Wall' to!
IN France we call that;NORMATIVATION.
A+
PS;I like the little case under call;SUBMIT!!!
On the french forum,it's finish now;Kaput Submit!
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:10:53 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Didier
Subject: Check this out....truth about how he uses people
Message:
Bonjour Didier,

Que voulez-vous dire quand vous dites que le forum français est terminé? Est-il parce que le website de J-M's est en baisse? Quoi qu'il en soit, bienvenue à la version d'Anglo.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:58:54 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: we we
Message:
Peut-etre c'etait parce-que personne ne pas comprends notre francais mauvais? we we.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:36:15 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: we we
Message:
That's it exactly Raina. You're not so bad after all. Sorry I called you a liar. I no longer think that of you. You're kinda cool, actually.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 05:40:38 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: we we
Message:
Did I read somewhere that you are in Australia?
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:17:04 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Me in Oz?? No, lol
Message:
I live in the USA but I'm afraid to tell you where !!!
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:30:50 (GMT)
From: rAiNa
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Me in Oz?? No, lol
Message:
lololol...i thought about that very REAL fear you might have after i posted!

I was only asking because I had australian roomates during my LA MA period....
i have some their tele #'s but it's too damn expensive to keep in touch etc....
just a weather report sort of .....shit i'm having trouble choosing my words
with you!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:36:42 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: glyng@techline
To: rAiNa
Subject: Me in Oz?? No, lol
Message:
You can always email. Not that you want to, of course, only that I have a feeling I won't be too welcome around here much longer...
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:37:45 (GMT)
From: rAiNa
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: WHY?
Message:
all the 'fuck you heller''s ?
i thought you were just being funny!

no one's welcome here!
thank god!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:47:48 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: rAiNa
Subject: This is just Gerry's way of dealing with things
Message:
In a post below Gerry opined that David Icke the madman is a pawn in the hands of those who really are plotting world domination. So I asked him, faceitiously, who he thought Icke reported to and named three other people Gerry's accused of being part of some sort of conspiracy or another. Obviously he didn't like that question and is responding accordingly.

Funny? No, more like pathetic.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 20:39:25 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Plain and Simple, shithead Heller is a LIAR !!!
Message:
So I asked him, faceitiously, who he thought Icke reported to and named three other people Gerry's accused of being part of some sort of conspiracy or another

I NEVER once accused ANY one of the mentioned three people of being ANY part of ANY conspiracy.

Pissant Heller has obviously NEVER read a single word of any so-called 'conspiracy' writings. I guess he includes Chomsky in this crowd as Chomsky very clearly elucidates what he sees as an ongoing usurpation of freedom, democracy and economic power by the global elite.

You're a fool, Heller and a sucker. I suggest you start by reading some of the work of Sherman Skolnick. He's jewish, I hope that doesn't offend you.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:18:14 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Give it up, Ger, you're acting like a baby
Message:
Gerry,

Whether you call them agents provacateurs serving some bigger 'conspiracy' or simply rogue 'fakes', the fact is that you did indeed make such allegations against all three: Rob, Chapelle and SB.

SB you outed as best you could in spite of knowing her specific reasons (oh yeah, or so she says!) for wanting to stay anonymous. You were so damned sure she was lying you didn't give a shit what she said. And based on what? Your expert analysis of her 'accent' which you brilliantly concluded was artificial. Remember?

Art Chapelle was the ex who you, again very quickly, concluded was a fake because yes, obviously only a fake would disclose the kinds of embarrassing details about his early sexuality the way Art did. Remember?

Rob is in a different category. Rob really was putting us on as he eventually admitted. He no more had Maharaji's ear than I do although he scammed us all into thinking otherwise. But after that you couldn't stop seeing Rob everywhere. Just how many posters have you accused of being Rob since then? A lot as I recall. And how much evidence did you have? Very little.

And just the other day what did you do? You called Raina a liar in response to her mentioning some medical problems which, if true, are no laughing matter. Remember? And how much evidence did you have that time, Ger? That's right, none.

Okay, so now you've got it all figured out. David Icke's a decoy that the real 'elites' dangle before us to make us think that conspiracy theorists must all be whack. And how much evidence do you have of that, Ger? Right. None.

You don't know how to think straight. Worse, far from learning from any of your mistakes you seem to have jumped even further into the realm of weird speculation masked as sharp analysis. I think you're pretty close to unreachable on some of these issues, Gerry, so there's no use talking with you. You know, when every weakness in a position becomes further proof of the strength of that position (e.g. Icke's madness being proof that the 'real' elites must be playing him like a decoy) you become unreachable. Too bad.

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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 18:11:21 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: JIM Superstar!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:55:41 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey Jim!
Message:
Guess what? My ex husband premie gave me 'his blessings' to participate in F5 against Maharaji! Finally the 'fast' brain of his realized that I am a human being with rights... he even listened to my arguments for having left lard! I will deprogram him alright... hehehehe... Too bad that I run out of stuff: JM posted all for me the past months...Shhhh....

Hey, thanks for getting on the phone with me that time, even if you did it in part to prove Gerry wrong. Yes, I'm a 'pure' ex...:))))))) and life gave me an oportunity to prove ass gerry the oposite of what his Sherlock Holmes, gossip, syndrome attacks he suffers from told him... hahahaha... The one who laugh last laugh better... Would he grow up??? Na....

SB

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:28:07 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Fuck you heller you rotten piece of shit
Message:
I skimmed your expert analysis I can see several distortions, lies if you will, so fuck you heller you LYING rotten piece of shit.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 18:20:27 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Still funny!
Message:
i checked out that icky site...the guy who infiltrated my life with maharaji told me about all that stuff.....it was new to me...so difficult to criticize (at first) because it does make some sense (in a lot of ways).....

i thought you guys had a little comedy duo thing happening....

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:19:44 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Still funny!
Message:
Makes it easier not to take it personally when they go after each other, doesn't it?
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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 00:29:02 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Still funny! . . . or not
Message:
Bang on RUNAMOK, what's the point? It IS so ridiculous that it IS Funny!

Are you still in Texas?

(semi) Kudos for your response!

Pathetically (?) non -absolute - it's not OK, IMO.

I am,

Stonor

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:24:19 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: yup!
Message:
i've been meaning to not come back here for a while!!!
it's a gas!
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 23:54:14 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: yup!
Message:
It's really not all about all this kind of 'fuck you' shit for a lot of people. It's just hard to argue against it without getting caught in the same shit.

Anyway, at least you seem to have survived the initial attacks against you.

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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 00:07:27 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: How uncharacteristically sanctimonious, Run!
Message:
Run,

Much as you love to pretend you're sitting on some moral high ground the fact is that Raina came here with her guns blazing, no the other way around. Nice try though.

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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 13:23:56 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: How uncharacteristically sanctimonious, Run!
Message:
And much as you wish to pretend higher intellectual ground in your postings, you invariably are the quickest to escalate any conversation into a heated exchange of 'idiot', 'fuck you' and ad infinitum invective with no substance whatsoever. To hear you criticize what you do yourself so much is kind of funny.

Oh, I forgot. You've already stated that I have no sense of humor.


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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 02:22:54 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: jim- you've misunderstood -i think
Message:
i purposely included a 'who's heller' comment in my impersonation of Gerry up there somewhere ('FYHYPOS'), as if to say-i was not really cursing you as i was just making fun of/having fun with gerry....
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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 00:51:30 (GMT)
From: Try it, Run !!!
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: FUCK YOU HELLER YOU ROTTEN PIECE OF SHIT
Message:
ASDF
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:28:33 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Le Forum Francais
Message:
Oui, c'etait ma question exacte. Le Forum Francais marche bien, n'est-ce pas?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:07:17 (GMT)
From: gerard
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Le Forum Francais
Message:
Je ne sais pas. Je n'ai là jamais été. J'espère qu'il est vivant et prospérant, cependant.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:16:26 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: gerard
Subject: Re:Le Forum Francais
Message:
Cher Gerard,

Either you're making fun of my French, or yours is even worse than mine, (although better than Anth's). At least your keyboard has the accent marks.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:30:47 (GMT)
From: Gerard
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Worse, I'm afraid !!! But here's what I was
Message:
trying to say:

I don't know. I never was there. I hope that it is alive and thriving, however.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:53:19 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Gerard
Subject: Re:Worse, I'm afraid !!! But here's what I was
Message:
I just checked. It seems there were no messages posted for the last five days or so, but back up today. Didier explains over there that there was some unification of European Internet laws going on. Nothing to do with the 'je t'aime' virus.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:11:35 (GMT)
From: Didier
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Re:Worse, I'm afraid !!! But here's what I was
Message:
Very wellcome every body on the French forum with IZNOGOUDE,
There is no place for 'je t'aime'!!!
FOR SURE.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:12:05 (GMT)
From: Didier
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Check this out....truth about how he uses people
Message:
I realy need to progress in english!for any things...
For exemple; on the french forum the case under,call submit change for ' envoi',that change many things for my liberty of expression.
I hope ,the fench forum continue
Bye!
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:19:39 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: No One Commented On New Title of ....
Message:
Ji, and the idea that Mr. M. could offer his faithful a Certificate of Name Recognition, wherein he bestows the title of 'Ji' for an offering of $100,000 or more, and the full deal of Maharaji for an offering of $150,000 or more. That could help him get a new jet and perhaps a new mansion in Hawaii or something. Mr. M. talks a lot about his 'hobby' of flying his jet -- quite an expensive little hobby! A hobby that 90% of us couldn't imagine, as we are not in Mr. M.'s socioeconomic status.
I wonder if Mr. M. could ever get invited to the White House? It would make an interesting photo, to have him next to the President, sharing his gift of Knowledge, free of charge, of course.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 22:12:34 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: Golly Ji Ji
Message:
I'm thinking of sending him $200,000. I could be Brian Ji Ji then. Figure I gotta act quick since premies will soon be able to recognize each other's status in the cult by the number of 'Ji's after their names...
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:56:20 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Addendum: Did Jim Jones and Maharaji Ever Meet?
Message:
ADDENDUM: I have noticed many similarities between the late Rev. Jim Jones and the Little Boy Wonder, Guru Maharaj Ji, now known as M. First, both claimed to be God, Lords of the Universe. Second, they both were reincarnations of previous leaders -- for Jim Jones it was Father Divine, and for Guru Maharaj Ji it was his father, Shri Hans. Third, they both sold pictures of themselves for followers, claiming that meditating on the photos would bless them. Fourth, Jones lost the respect of other Christians (though he did successfully scheme to be ordained in and his churches members of a 'respectable' Protestant denomination, the Disciples of Christ) and Maharaji isn't recognized by the Hindus. Fifth,at least originally with the Boy Wonder, they both had communes for followers. Sixth, they asked followers to give them all of their financial resources, while on the surface claiming money was not being asked of any followers.
Anyone have any ideas if these guys ever met? In Guyana, there are a lot of East Indians, so it is possible Guru Maharaj Ji even visited Jonestown, Guyana. Does anyone from the DLM days ever recall Guru Maharaj Ji commenting on Jim Jones in his 'satsang' talks?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 12:01:31 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: Jones and M never met
Message:
Gilead: As many people on this site know, I was one of the criminal defense attorneys who represented the only person charged with a crime in the US arising out of the events in Jonestown. My client was Larry Layton, who stood trial in federal court in San Francisco in 1981 and 1986 for conspiring to murder Congressman Leo Ryan. I know just about everything there is to know about Jonestown and Peoples Temple. I was a premie from 1972 - '76, so my experience with M informed my work as defense counsel.

I can tell you categorically that Jones and M never met. There are many, many more similarities which I have written about on this site before.

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:19:47 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Recap??
Message:
Could you describe some of those for the newbies here??
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 14:13:52 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Daneane and Gilead
Subject: Jim Jones and M
Message:
Daneane: First of all, let me tell you that I read your aspirant Journey, and found it fascinating. Thank you for posting it.

I am in Ireland with limited net access right now. I return to San Francisco, where I live, on May 16. I will make a Peoples Temple -- Jim Jones -- M similarities post in the next few days. I don't have the time right now. I am happy to give this information occasionally because I think the similarities are very strong. The premies always get really pissed off when I do it, but that's their problem.

There's a post I made about M and Jones on the Drek site.
Welcome to both of you and please keep up the good posts.

Marianne

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 17:24:08 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Thanks.(nt)
Message:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 05:23:31 (GMT)
From: I tell you the truth
Email: None
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: Really is his brother nt
Message:
no text
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:51:21 (GMT)
From: Clinton Ji
Email: None
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: No One Commented On New Title of ....
Message:
Gee, G Ji...sorry for the delay in response; just returned from a meeting with the National Securiji, uh, Security Council. I got my Ji gratis, but then M and I both have Monicas in common, dontcha know, so I guess I got lucky and got a free Ji. Now if I can only convince those Bubbas in the Middle East to cut the Ji-hads, and settle for a Ji each, my legacy will be set.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:02:17 (GMT)
From: Guru Gilead Ji the First
Email: None
To: Clinton Ji
Subject: No One Commented On New Title of ....
Message:
Clinton Ji,
I'll forgive you this time for being late with your briefings and analyses.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:00:37 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: Clinton Ji
Subject: No One Commented On New Title of ....
Message:
I hope the name Gilead, though Biblical, along with Ji (I just copied off of M, and self proclaimed it on myself), doesn't sound too cultic. With the Judeo-Christian, yet nontraditional name of Gilead, and the Hindu title of Ji, people may think I'm with the Unification grouping. Well, then again, it depends on how I carry myself. I've been having problems at job interviews, even though they're not supposed to ask personal questions. They wonder about my last surname of Ji, and how it matches with Gilead from the Bible. Its not fair, man! Is Elan Vital taking applications for mahatmas?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:53:13 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: all
Subject: another way of making money
Message:
Maybe M, could allow corporate sponsers to put up some banners and advertisements at the Events. Maybe at the start of a video you would hear a Don Pardo type of voice-over 'Brought to you by your good friends at Kwik-E-Mart. Stop in after the Event for a delicious, refreshing Slushie' Then maybe show a picture of M slurpin' one down.

A good corporate banner might be: 7-11ji's Cab Co. 'We'll get you to the Event and back. We know Maharaji, his brother owns this company. Keeping it in All in the Family. 7-11ji's Cab Co. since 19eighty-something, or thereabouts when the brothers had a falling out.'

And The Independent Little Hotel Operators of America. 'Stay the night after the Event and wait for the Bliss to wear off before driving home.'

This would be a great job for Rajiji. Getin' out there with the people, drumming up biz. He could get commision and make money the old fashioned way, earn it.

Anyhow, just a thought.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:08:22 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: That's so funny!
Message:
And The Independent Little Hotel Operators of America. 'Stay the night after the Event and wait for the Bliss to wear off before driving home.'

That's good. But tell me, Jondon, all this Beantown, 7-11 shit ..... we're not slipping into general, racial slurs, are we? (By the way, as I mentioned the other day, I got in trouble for apparently doing just that one night at a band gig when I introduced our anti-m song, 'Bollywood', dedicating it to the 'fat little Indian fuck' I used to follow. No harm meant but, in retrospect, a little sloppy.)

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:26:19 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:13:24 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Racial slurs
Message:
Jim, It may sound to some as racist slurs, but I guess the point I am trying to get across is that M is no different than the typical working class American. These guys around my neck of the woods work real hard. One guy owns a Kwik-E-Mart and two gas stations, his brother owns a little hotel. They're up early and work hard all day, they are smart business people, they keep it all in the family. They make a lot of money.

M makes a lot of money. He must work hard at it. Get up early, work late, keep it all in the family. I'm sure it ain't easy keeping thousands, or hundreds of thousands of people brainwashed into thinking he is some kind of God, or God himself. Then he's got the ex-premies to concern himself with, and now with the internet he's got even more work to do to keep up with all this stuff. Yet, he still manages to maintain a Gulfstream IV Jet and a 100+foot yacht, which I've seen and I have worked on one simliar to it. You can't imagine the amount of $$$ just to keep the thing afloat at a dock, it is astronomical.

He has got to be just as hard a worker as the regular folk, maybe more so. Preparing the videos to capture the imaginations of the premies, working the music into the video, bringing out his daughter to sing (maybe show a little cleav), maybe get up himself and do an impression of Elaine from Seinfeld dance. This stuff takes a Master Mind to concoct in order to keep the zombies zombified.

So yea, I use some of the local color, the working class Americans of foreign blood to compare to M, just to keep things in focus. He's no different. Just selling coloured sugar water, which I ain't buying.

And I know that a lot of premies visit this site, my writings are for them. But I am sure they don't enjoy them as much as the Exes.

Hope I answered your response.

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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 23:44:52 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Racial slurs
Message:
Elaine's my idol.If you haven't noticed. (In reference to you 'Elaine dance' comment.)

Elaine B.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:33:34 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Racial slurs
Message:
Dear Jon,
' maybe get up himself and do an impression of Elaine from Seinfeld dance'

This is hysterical! I have read some of your contributions here and am glad you are writing here. I remember others that came here only because they knew others in the cult and it is a clear and unbiased opinion. Premies can't say it is because you weren't working hard enough at it all. You are looking in and your writing about them all rushing to programs and missing the little things in life to get there and then coming back and complaining about personalities and spouting about M's message to live this life, whatever was a very good analogy. Hope it wasn't lost on any premies that caught it.
Thanks.
Robyn

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:49:23 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Yes, but I still don't know what 'Beantown' means
Message:
Thanks Jondon,

By the way, we've never said 'hi' yet, have we? What kind of a cult is this anyway? Aren't we supposed to be 'love bombing' each other? Hi. (How's that?)

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:31:18 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 03:24:43 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yes, but I still don't know what 'Beantown' means
Message:
Hey Jim, My name is Jon. Beantown. Never heard of it? What town is famous for Beans. Boston Baked Beans. Boston. Site of the June 7th Event, starring the Big M and his gang of merry followers. I can't go to this one, for those with K only. Will get the scoop on it over time, as all the little nuances come out of my friends, after their hectic day to get up there and fight the traffic, find a parking spot, get their seats-find the blissfulness they miss-then hurry to the car (if it has'nt been stolen) fight the traffic back, get all tensed up and wired on caffiene....then bring home the stories of a perfectly peaceful blissful day.

Will keep you posted.

Where you from? Jim.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:35:43 (GMT)
From: Guru Gilead Ji the First
Email: None
To: ALL
Subject: Employment with M
Message:
Thanks for all these ideas, I wonder how I could get invited to one of M's parties at the Malibu mansion? I hear he has plenty of drink at those wild parties (I heard M say he doesn't tell people they need to give up alcohol, become vegetarian, live off of rice and or bean pies, etc.,). That would be a way of getting in, and I could try to show him a letter of recommendation from Maharishi and Mrs. Berg (the Family, Inc.), and also from Stuart Traill of the Church of Bible Understanding.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:49:19 (GMT)
From: Clinton Ji
Email: None
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: No One Commented On New Title of ....
Message:
Perhaps if you mention that there is indeed Balm in Gilead, prospective employers will be more than willing to have you board their ship. Chelsea Ki Jai Ji has no problems in her interviews, so you should be fine once they become aware of your inner glory.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 03:04:33 (GMT)
From: Guru Gilead Ji I
Email: None
To: Clinton Ji
Subject: Thanks for career development counseling....
Message:
Dear Clinton Ji:
Thanks for sharing you consultations in career development. I was crying last night, because nobody would help, until you came along. Nobody else will say anything to help me in my own professional development, but you have saved the day, and its also impressive to know of your political status (can you maybe write me a letter, to take to Mr. M., if I get an interview at the mansion? I've got one from three other cult leaders on their own official letterhead. I don't have any from any sincere political leaders, who are as truthful and honest as you.
I'm now feeling more confident, cause I will mention that Balm, and proclaim myself as able to heal people, since Mr. M. doesn't tackle that industry, I would be a good supplement to his marketing ministry, and it would all be offered free of charge, just like the four techniques, which can be found in so many library books.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:40:16 (GMT)
From: While we are on the
Email: None
To: Clinton Ji
Subject: topic of irreverence enjoy this from Anything Goes
Message:
Somehow this seems to fit into this thread, albeit loosely.
Jesus Dance
Wait around for the sound to load.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 03:07:43 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: While we are on the
Subject: I wonder what kind of a MO letter.....
Message:
would issued concerning that most previous message on this thread? Well, I'll look it up in Volumes 1, 2, and 3, and see if there are any statemensts issued by Moses David.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:18:31 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: love
Message:
has anything M has said ever not been true?
you all talk about when he says if you quit practising Knowledge you're going to break into a million pieces. you all seem like a bunch of broke motherfuckers to me. if any ex-aspirant has any real questions i'll try to help you answer them. because truly I don't have a question in the world. M says Knowledge is the answer that will answer all your questions and it has been for me. and I'm not just hiding from facts or the way I really feel. Some guy talks about Christ being a compilation of myths. c'mon man- Christ, Buddah, Mohammed, Krishna, Kabir. and M. If you look through their life stories is it all fun and games? To some, it was the greatest game ever played. To others, they dropped out. All I know is, you can't score any points on the sidelines.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:08:06 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: t
Subject: Try Ths On For Size
Message:
'A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.'
-Saul Bellow

This is true for any human being at some point in his/her life, and I think you're at that point, given your oh-so-compassionate remarks. Sometimes the truth appears as its opposite, so when you speak of 'love,' this indeed may be the case with you.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:08:40 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: great quote(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:08:37 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: Try Ths On For Size
Message:
I didn't say it wasn't tough love, man
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:13:08 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: t
Subject: love
Message:
Pardon me, but would kindly explain what the fuck you are talking about?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:23:44 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: t
Subject: Premies can't explain themselves?
Message:
I'm also very curious as to what you were trying to say in your 'love' post. I've noticed that you have responded to a few posts but, as Daneane noted, you do seem to be going out with a whimper, especially when you follow the usual pattern of premies avoiding questions and being unable to explain themselves. How can you answer questions from anyone, including yourself?!
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:18:37 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Premies can't explain themselves?
Message:
What do you want to know? I feel a deep feeling of love within myself, some people in this world can't feel anything to the point of suicide. M showed me a way to be free of my mind and I will be eternally grateful for that. I know it's real, I know it's true, and I want to share it with anyone else who will admit to wanting to feel it, too.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:07:51 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: daneane
Subject: Premies can't explain themselves?
Message:
look at 14:18:37
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:58:23 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: t
Subject: No change
Message:
Stellium Greetings t,

I honestly don't know how you can suggest that this is a clarification of your original post.

There's one thing you have said that makes sense; you are truly 'free' of your mind. Is that what happens when your alternative to suicide is becoming a walking dead head? To me, they both amount to the same thing. I guess you believe that God gave you a brain to give to m.

And if your 'love' post is a manifestation of 'the deep feeling of love within (your)self,' then I think you risk being eternally mindless and heartless. The Wizard of Oz offered far more to be grateful for than m. It might make some good summer reading for you. The original 'Pinocchio, The Story of a Puppet,' by C. Collodi (Signor G. Lorenzini), could also offer you deeper insight and broader understanding than m as well. And I am NOT joking.

With Love,

Stonor

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:24:19 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: No change
Message:
It doesn't take too much intelligence to understand premies' reactions to people who spread lies and spit on them and their Guru (you included). Or do you think crucifixion and 'turning the other cheek' is the always the ultimate test of Godhood?

Think again, bitch.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:12:28 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: No change: Is called being in a cult! nt
Message:
nt, your what? Bitch mother?
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 06:58:47 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: It's called being in a religion, now we know (nt)
Message:
a
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:56:38 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Yes, 'cruxifiction'. That's the word!
Message:
Thanks Mili,

I was talking to a friend the other day and trying to explain this whole web site. I said something about how we're challenging our former cult leader, demanding some accountability, refusing to be stifled and generally taking the piss out of the on-again, off-again Lord of the Universe, the multi, multi millionaire who tricked us into thinking he was the Saviour of Mankind (Hey, Mili, for once let's avoid the old 'he never said that' 'Well then what about THIS?' bullshit. JM's got tons of quotes. Read them for a change.). So I tried to explain but he just wasn't getting it. My fault, I'm sure. I wasn't explaining properly.

But this is it: we're

CRUXIFYING

him! Of course! Excellent, bud. Just excellent. You're such a smart guy for a new ager. Anyone ever tell you that?
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:36:50 (GMT)
From: You missed this one
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: here
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 16:07:49 (GMT)
From: Thanx
Email: None
To: You missed this one
Subject: Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 08:14:22 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yes, 'cruxifiction'. That's the word!
Message:
Did you buy the nails already? He does know what he is talking about... not!
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 02:19:20 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: More premie-style love and bliss!
Message:
Right on cue! have you read the original Pinocchio? My cousin (a bank exec) borrowed it recently and her first comment was in a shocked voice, 'This is not a children's book!'

And where on earth did you ever get this idea??!!!

Or do you think crucifixion and 'turning the other cheek' is the always the ultimate test of Godhood?

And how on earth can you conceive of 'testing' 'Godhood,' or, how do you define 'Godhood?' Where does the 'hood' part come in?

Stonor

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:58:55 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: naughty Mili
Message:
you said the 'b' word.

Hey I was just reading some of the first archives. You're an old warhorse in the guru wars, Mili. Tenacity, gotta admire that.

Can I repeat the old saw 'Oh, look the not-so-blissful premie is cussing' again? Seems appropriate.

Seriously though Mili, (and I have no ax to grind on you) doesn't it get tiring toe the line? I'm consistency is over rated in my book. What is it that keeps you hanging on?

Is it your inner experience, or has this become some sort of religion to you? You almost sound like a fundamentalist, ready to rip the undershorts off the fallen woman to teach her a lesson. Reminds me of Jimmy Swaggart. Sorry, but it does.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:47:39 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: Daneane@mac.com
To: t
Subject: Why veiled?
Message:
Share, but share openly then.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:54:19 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Why veiled?
Message:
Share what?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:00:49 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: Daneane@mac.com
To: t
Subject: Why veiled?
Message:
Whatever it is that brought you here.
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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 20:37:15 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Why veiled?
Message:
It's a weakness, but I enjoy anything that has to do with M., basically, the old pictures, satsangs, etc.
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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:10:53 (GMT)
From: me
Email: None
To: daneane
Subject: Why veiled?s
Message:
s
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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:12:01 (GMT)
From: me
Email: None
To: daneane
Subject: sWhy veiled?
Message:
s
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:21:54 (GMT)
From: your motherfucking friend
Email: None
To: t
Subject: love
Message:
Yo, t: YOU are on the sidelines, worshipping a lame-duck guru. I am living, loving, learning and growing. Remember: WE'VE BEEN THERE!

Good luck.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:53:28 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: my motherfucking friend
Subject: love
Message:
you have heart man, I can feel it
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 07:24:13 (GMT)
From: trixie
Email: None
To: exs
Subject: Cant read this-nausea. Would an ex
Message:
please help me out. How do you describe the yucky feeling I have when premies use the word 'love' or 'that love' or 'heart' or any of those normal words in such a canned false creeepy context.
It is not just simply affectated, please gimme some words to describe this. The premies I know act stupid- like they just cant fathom what I mean when I say it makes me sick.
Or elsa they get condenscending and pity me for not feeling that love.
help
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:59:19 (GMT)
From: Anther motherfucking...
Email: None
To: you motherfucking friend
Subject: love
Message:
All love to you too, stupid ass motherfucking brainwashed person, as I used to be... Cult memeber!!!

Do you believe lard is God still??? Dream baby....DREAM!!!

MFucker

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:05:24 (GMT)
From: A Dumb Blond
Email: None
To: t
Subject: Where do you mention/discuss 'LOVE', motherfucker?
Message:
Isn't that your subject? Perhaps you use a different dictionary. Let me check my Superman Dictionary.

love: Krypto and his girlfriend love each other. They like each other very very much. They have loved each other for a long time.

P.S. Krypto's girlfriend is a cat!!!??? (there's a picture, and hearts are spinning around their heads) Maybe he's been taking a cue from that raccoon below.


P.P.S You know, I think I HATE the term 'motherfucker.' I've never used it before.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 23:36:47 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: t
Subject: love
Message:
Dear t,
Everytime you pick up all the pieces you have shattered into, put your faith and trust in K & M, it feels good doesn't it. However each time you are investing more of yourself. Try to acknowledge to yourself the price you are paying, the price just gets higher and higher. I went to the wall on this one, and it wasn't Knowledge, it wasn't Maharaji, it wasn't other premies who helped me get my feet on the path back to the living.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:00:27 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: love
Message:
You have heart too, man
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:59:16 (GMT)
From: Coffee
Email: Cream'n'suga@hotmail
To: t
Subject: It ain't lov, Gov!--It's the God business!!!!!!!!!
Message:
Hi t:

The way I see it is that there have always been people who wanted a reason to exist and there have always been charlatans willing to lie to these folks for a price (their money and their lives).

Nearly everyone who got involved with Maharaji had a sincere desire to know WHY? However, Maharaji's pablum brought us no closer to the truth. Think about it. How much more do you know about god and enlightenment, etc. than you did thirty years ago.

It was a scam--and still is. Initially, Maharaji may have believed himself to be divine, but come on . . . Meanwhile,
99 000 bottles of French cognac, 4 000 000 cartons of Marlboro cigarettes, 1 million doobies, 800 000 snorts of cocaine, 74 mistresses and 34 years later, it must have dawned on him. GEEZ, I'm just a lucky son-of-a-bitch who got into the God game at the right time. Lucky me. Look at those suckers--still paying me after all these years. Amazing Grace for sure!

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:56:10 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: t
Subject: love
Message:
'you all seem like a bunch of broke motherfuckers to me. if any ex-aspirant has any real questions i'll try to help you '

Well thank YOU for that friendly, non-condescending, well mannered response.

The quality of love and compassion that oozes from (some?) cult followers is truly inspirational, no wonder the numbers are down to a couple of thousand at best per country.

And for your personal development I have to tell you that you come over as right know-all shite, you don't care I bet, and return to the previous paragraph and pay £200 and stay in jail for 2 moves.

Haven't any of you understood about spiritual ego?

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:47:33 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: t
Subject: To save Jim the trouble...
Message:
Wouldn't an ex-aspirant be better served and more sincere in his/her seeking to look for answers from M or someone within his organization, rather than some anonymous person on a web-site?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:01:53 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: To save Jim the trouble...
Message:
Probably
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 18:11:20 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: t
Subject: t...
Message:
you're going out in a whimper.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:55:03 (GMT)
From: Coffee
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Jim Heller is using his real name! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:46:37 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: t
Subject: love
Message:
You scored alot of points calling people here mother-fuckers.

'Kn is the answer that will answer all your ques.'

Next lifetime,ask 'How to win over and influence people.'

Let's see and your subject was ..... 'love'? Said with Churchlady inflection.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:38:37 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: t
Subject: Question....
Message:
If an aspirant asked the following questions, how would you answer them?

Why did Maharaji used to claim to be god, the Lord of the Universe, to be 'all knowing' and why does he have people line up to kiss his feet? And why isn't any of this disclosed in the aspirant process?

If it's just about knowledge, why is there a considerable personality cult surrounding Maharaji himself? Why does he allow it to continue if that isn't what he is about?


Things Maharaji said that aren't true:

That he's all powerful, god, the lord of the universe, greater than god, the superior power in person, that you must devote your life to him (he doesn't say that anymore, which is true?), that he would bring peace to the entire world, that if you left knowledge you would break into a million pieces and that you would rot inside, that oil came from dinosaurs, need I go on? To never delay in attending satsang, to never leave room for doubts in your mind, to CONSTANTLY meditate (all of which he has dropped, again which is true?) that if you move out of his ashram that you would be moving next to a cesspool, that the only reason to have a job is to go to a program, need I go on?

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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:04:39 (GMT)
From: t
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Question....
Message:
You're probably going to hate this reply, but in the Bible it's said something like this 'if a man can barely understand his own ways, how then can he understand God's?' and I'm not a Bible freak or anything, it's just nice to hear someone talk about some serious devotion to something that deserves serious devotion every once in a while. And my answers (within myself)go a lot deeper than anything that can be written on paper, so if I quote scripture, don't think I rely on it, it's just easier. And as a reply to your question, I'm me. M's M. I can speak (with authority) for why he does the things he does no more than I can speak for why you do the things you do. And it also seems like a great deal of resentment is based towards people other than M. 'what ever happened to so and so; those crazy mahatmas,...' I still stand by my original question, has M ever said anything that is not true? since when does peace on earth have anything to do with natural disasters? as for being the Lord, I don't know too much about that; as for being MY Lord, you bet.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:23:01 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: JW
Subject: Question....
Message:
And whats further when I counted how many pieces I was in this morning I only counted one! Do you suppose they could teach premies how to count past one?
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:27:11 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: Why They Avoid Challenge?
To: t
Subject: Question....
Message:
Hey t, if Mr. M. is so great, why is it that neither he, or any of his officials from Elan Vital, could respond to the question on web site, entitled 'Challenge for the Two Sons of Shri Hans'. In that question, I asked why it is that Satpal and PremPal can't even aknowledge each other as brothers, let alone show any love for one another. They both are self appointed 'Masters' who craze to be recognized as cult leaders, but yet will not even talk to each other.
Can you get M to answer the challenge? I he is a Master of Love, why is it that he can't get along with his own family? The same challenge goes to Satpal, or any of his elite representatives who have 'authority' to comment.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:12:46 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Search Engines
Message:
I just did a search on 5 different search engines and found the following:
With a search for 'Maharaji' the ex-premie site came up in the following places:

Yahoo: #2 behind Maharaji's own site (Yahoo is really good in that they show Maharaji's site, and then OPPOSING SITES, which include ex-premie, Roger Drek, J-M's Papers page, etc.

Hotbot: #4

Lycos: #4

Excite: On this one, the expremie sites are numbers, 1,2, and 3 (Roger Drek's site is one of them), and Maharaji's site is #4

Alta Vista: This is the only search engine that Maharaji seems to have been able to monopolize. The ex-premie site is #14, and off the first page. I have registered a complaint with Alta Vista, and I recommend we all do that, because Alta Vista lists various pages of the M site as separate sites.

Has anyone any experience with this on any other search engines?

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:40:54 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Correction -- Alta Vista
Message:
If you search in ENGLISH on Alta Vista for 'Maharaji' the ex-premie site is number 8 and on the first page.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:20:09 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Also
Message:
Infoseek: #1 (ex-premie) and #4 (J-M's site)

Dogpile: Interestingly, a search for 'Maharaji' results in ZERO matches.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:34:40 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Also a great link to many search engines
Message:
http://www.freeality.com/
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:39:25 (GMT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: www.locate.com nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 06, 2000 at 13:52:58 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: dv
Subject: don't forget http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/
Message:
don't forget http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:49:16 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: HotBot and Google
Message:
HotBot reserves spaces #3 and #4 for ex-premie sites.

However, Google, usually one of my favorite search engines, only has a couple of obscure ex-premie links in five pages of Maharaji links (most of them in other languages!)

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:32:35 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Winning the Search Engine Wars
Message:
I have a digital book called 'The Unfair advantage' 'Winning the Search Engine Wars' which has the secrets to getting listed on top of the search engines. It is a subscription site to which I have access.

Placement on the search engine lists is derived by different methods depending upon which engine you are trying to exploit. All of their programs which order the lists of pages rely on different methods.

If the forum site developer is willing to insert the heads into the index page, I would be more than happy to create some winning heads and meta tags for the X-P pages. After the new heads are installed in the index pages, the pages have to be resubmitted to the engines. This is a fairly timely process.

Several people working on this project together could undoubtedly get these and J-Ms pages to always come up on top.

Below is an excerpt from the Table of Contents
Section A - Titles
Section B - KEYWORDS
Section C - Keyword Relevancy
Section D - Keyword Density
Chapter Two -- Meta Tags
Chapter Three -- Tricks & Illusions
Trick #1 -- Keyword 'spamming' and
Keyword 'stuffing' AKA 'spamdexing'
Trick #2 -- Invisible or 'Semi-visible' text
Trick #3 -- Pointer Pages
Trick #4 -- Redirect Page
Trick #5 -- Make your 'keywords' work double duty
Trick #6 -- Program your site to be found even when people are looking for something else.
Trick #7 -- Using the
Trick #8 -- ASCII, Numerical, and Alphabetical text order

P.S. Studying the source code for Maharaji.org it is apparent that he is unaware of the tricks.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:14:49 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Winning the Search Engine Wars part 2
Message:
Trick #7 -- Using the !...comment line
Didn't post because it is invisible to html and yet it is one of the most frequently used tricks in the book.

View source code for this page to see what it is supposed to look like.

There are a number of ASCII characters that preceed A,B,C,D and so forth in the alphabet. If these appear in the title and in the head content prior to the word Maharaji
...ie, !...Maharaji preceeds the word Maharaji in the ASCII alphabet. This is how you get listed before another site. Examine the keywords, content and metatags and then apply ASCII characters before the word. They are invisible to the viewer because they are in the head but they are one of the things that the search engine uses to rank pages when queries are made. Does that make sense?

I will post the ASCII alphabet if there is any interest from the web masters who run these ex-premie sites...or they can look it up for themselves

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:27:47 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Winning the Search Engine Wars part 3
Message:
Better than 'A' you say? Yes... as a matter of fact there are many ASCII characters and numbers that are much better than 'A'. When alphanumerical order is used, ASCII characters and numbers appear before alphabetical letters.

Here's the normally accepted order...
! ' # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z ` a b c... etc.

Therefore something like...... !!#1-A -- should be listed before anything that starts with an A. However, remember that you will want a 'person' to click on your link... therefore you will have to decide what works best from a 'computer vs. person' compromise perspective.

Something like...... 'A-1' Hot Tubs
could be very effective, considering that ' (quotation mark) is second only to ! (exclamation point) on the ASCII chart.

Keep in mind that search engines are getting smarter and site reviewers are aware of the 'alphabetical' tricks. If you use a TITLE that is 'alphabetically' privileged, then you had better make your web page reflect claim to such a TITLE.

Yahoo no longer prioritizes purely according to alphanumeric order. There are a lot of dollars that are begining to change hands right now because of web page ordering in search engines and so there is a great deal of effort being made to understand the programs the engines are running and how to exploit them.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:55:02 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The search engine for Forum V?
Message:
Sir Dave, or any other persons involved in the site 'The Truth About Maharaji':

I have used the search engine at your site that is called 'Search the Forum Archives.' My search for 'Dettmers' brought up early posts from Forums III and I.

When will the Forum V posts be searchable?

I really appreciate this service. And I want to direct some recipients of my '9 objections' letter to the proper search engine.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 11:50:06 (GMT)
From: Dave
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: Way
Subject: The search engine for Forum V?
Message:
Only I am involved in The Truth about Maharaji site and the search engines, which is why it's proceeding at a snail's pace!

The forum archives are about two thirds the way through being indexed and put into the search engine. Thanks for prompting me to get it finished. I'll get my finger out now it's needed.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 02:07:30 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: The search engine for Forum V?
Message:
Way,
I am writing to commend your name, The Way, as it is so fitting for this forum. It sounds cultic, if you will pardon the expression. What was that guys name, who founded the Way International?
Guru Gilead Ji the First
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 14:33:46 (GMT)
From: A Way
Email: None
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: To Sir Dave and Gilead Ji
Message:
Sir Dave,

Thanks much! In my '9 objections' letter that I will soon be sending out, I direct the readers to your search engine.
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Gilead,

I do not present myself as The Way, The Truth, or The Life. Nor the Tao. Not even a leader or figurehead. I am just a Way, one individual itsy bitsy way. My name is Will, so I chose Way as a pen-name (where there's a Will, there's a Way). Come to think of it, 'Will' has various connotations as well. I could be the Will of God.

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