Forum V: Archive
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EV-ex -:- Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:23:30 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Are Satpal and his devotees on the list? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:33:24 (GMT)
__ __ ex -:- What they dont know .. -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 11:17:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Time to share that film with the rest of us? (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:55:18 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Was anyone actually escorted out? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:11:42 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- This is SO funny! We're famous! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:08:20 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Jim should send an autographed picture..... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:23:22 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Jim, Send them a picture -- autographed, of course -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:22:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- I have several pictures of Jim AND of JW... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:33:53 (GMT)
__ JW -:- The Extreme Paranoia Didn't Work -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:32:31 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:52:43 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Did you ever wonder why -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:37:41 (GMT)
__ __ Ajax -:- The Extreme Paranoia Didn't Work -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:14:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Very Well Said, Ajax -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:52:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JW -:- To Ajax -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:21:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Ajax -:- To JW -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:12:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- High Quality Text again Ajax....Thanks (nt) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:45:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ajax -:- Well, Thanks again (nt) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 05:11:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»: -:- l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:44:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:36:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§» -:- ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l© -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:04:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l© -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:19:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§» -:- §«:*´`´`*:»just kidding about the ©«:*´`´`*:»§ -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:40:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- §«:*´`´`*:»just kidding about the ©«:*´`´`*:»§ -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 07:15:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ blood -:- Nice writing... Ajax (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:23:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Ajax -:- Thanks (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:50:43 (GMT)
__ Raina -:- where/who can I send my picture to-to help out -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:48:06 (GMT)
__ __ gerry -:- you can send it to me... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:57:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Of course you do!! NT -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:20:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ bb -:- you can send it to me...too! dad lord in shower -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:28:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Mata Ji's dead? Didn't hear,when?NT -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:16:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ obit page -:- Mata Ji's dead? 1991 (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:00:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ bb -:- sad story when the ego's finally back off. -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:56:26 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- ha-ha! They'll never spot me in false beard and... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:42:55 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Nigel, you have lost weight....... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:13:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Hmm, true enough... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:29:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JW -:- Jim has pounds (maybe a stone or two) to give you -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:01:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Ouch! -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:09:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:30:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Ouch! -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:07:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's a laugh, kinda -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:11:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- That's a laugh, kinda -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:33:39 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- ha-ha! They'll never spot me in false beard and... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:26:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Yeah, my face seems to have that effect... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:27:25 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:17:03 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- Fatso Ji's reply to' I'll Never abandon you' -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:39:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- Fatso Ji's reply to' I'll Never abandon you' -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:42:49 (GMT)
__ __ Gerky -:- Hey SB can we be friends? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:37:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Hey SB can we be friends? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:51:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- Gerky was a typo, right? -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:02:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Dr Gerkyl -:- No, no, nine, noueax (frog talk) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:31:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- I don't understand your nerves!! nt -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:28:04 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Why would I go there??????? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:27:41 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- That's easy, JM: to give a knowledge review -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:37:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Applying for a K reviews' contest -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:46:14 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- A printout of this list....... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:26:32 (GMT)
__ __ bb -:- Is SANFORD PASS on that list? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:33:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Are Joan Apter and Gurucharanand on the list?... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:17:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- Are Joan Apter and Gurucharanand on the list?... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:52:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- I was kidding.......nt -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:06:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bb -:- Are Joan Apter and Gurucharanand on the list?... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:34:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Come to think of it.... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:39:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- 90% have left.....guess .... fact? (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:03:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- More an educated estimate..... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:02:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- any estimates on the annual price of participation -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:26:34 (GMT)
__ Powerman -:- Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:57:17 (GMT)
__ __ James Flynn -:- Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:53:49 (GMT)
__ __ farmy -:- i love powerman man (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:56:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ gErRy -:- Ah P-man's a weenie, er whiner, er a winner, er, -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:47:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hi Gerry! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:10:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Ah P-man's a weenie, er whiner, er a winner, er, -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:41:58 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- I wonder... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:25:51 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- What are they afraid of? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:45:57 (GMT)
__ __ gerry -:- Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt) -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:28:43 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- Shri Hans' exes -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:31:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ Ajax -:- Shri Hans' exes -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:41:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- It took me ages to load, but I found this: -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:11:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Ajax -:- It took me ages to load, but I found this: -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:41:55 (GMT)
__ __ M. Dettmers'inner game -:- I know I am going. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:19:44 (GMT)

James Flynn -:- nectar technique -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 11:00:26 (GMT)
__ raina -:- Straight Answer PLEASE? -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:18:48 (GMT)
__ __ It's -:- all here raina,techniques,search and you will find -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:12:46 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- (like?your tongue goes BACK into your throat?) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:21:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ james flynn -:- (like?your tongue goes BACK into your throat?) -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:39:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- no way... -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:38:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- DON'T swallow it now. Seriously. The technique is -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:17:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- NO SHIT! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:56:45 (GMT)
__ M. Dettmers'inner game -:- nectar technique -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 19:42:51 (GMT)
__ __ James Flynn -:- nectar technique -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:56:23 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- nectar technique -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:17:11 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- nectar technique -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 12:24:41 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- God must be a boogie man! (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:04:35 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- nectar technique -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:20:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- nectar technique -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:33:23 (GMT)

James Flynn -:- 12 steps for ex-cult leaders -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 06:13:37 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- 12 steps for ex-cult leaders -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:29:09 (GMT)
__ __ James Flynn -:- 12 steps for ex-cult leaders -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 08:06:08 (GMT)

Gilead -:- AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE ! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:21:58 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Order LORD OF THE UNIVERSE on line at amazon.com -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 12:45:53 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- LORD OF THE UNIVERSE on line at amazon.com/picture -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 12:49:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Hey J-M, did you notice... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:56:15 (GMT)
__ ET -:- AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE ! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:34:09 (GMT)
__ __ Gilead Ji -:- AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE ! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:09:59 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Don't Miss It. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:12:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ ET -:- Don't Miss It. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:54:39 (GMT)
__ __ Gilead -:- AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE ! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:37:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- I've been meaning to ask you...... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:41:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gilead Ji -:- I've been meaning to ask you...... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:02:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Paul Robeson -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:58:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Ask Visions is they have 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji.' -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:46:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- 'Satguru' Has Come was my favorite... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:12:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- mine was 'Family of Love' -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:11:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Ask Visions is they have 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji.' -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:48:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ ET -:- AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE ! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:50:58 (GMT)

Lotus Eater -:- Fruits -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:01:46 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Service -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:09:29 (GMT)
__ Loaf -:- Fruits fall when they are ripe -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:59:04 (GMT)
__ __ Lotus Eater -:- A greenish complexion -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 11:19:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Bungee? There may be a reason for that ... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:08:19 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Fruits -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:48:23 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- To:L.E. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:13:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- websites -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:16:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JW -:- Search Engines... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:02:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- Search Engines... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 23:06:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- best wishes -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:29:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- best wishes L E -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:00:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- recent exes -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 00:43:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- recent exes -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 12:31:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:best wishes -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 14:50:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- Thievery -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 00:15:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Thievery -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:30:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ lotus eater -:- hillside retreat -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 06:11:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Lotus eater -:- Re:Thievery -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:00:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Beautifully put Way , Really superb.. Nt -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:57:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Loaf -:- Logging on in the name of Service -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 21:17:23 (GMT)

James -:- I understand your frustration. -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:58:48 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- 'proof', my arse... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:52:18 (GMT)
__ James Flynn -:- I understand your frustration. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:22:13 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- I understand your frustration. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:18:41 (GMT)
__ __ James -:- I understand your frustration.- I pulled your leg. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:49:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- My Leg -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:11:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ James -:- My Leg -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 19:46:21 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Knowledge sucks -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:48:08 (GMT)
__ Charlie -:- No you don't -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:39:30 (GMT)
__ JW -:- I Don't Think You Do...... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:25:43 (GMT)
__ __ Observer -:- I Don't Think You Do...... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:47:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- I do think you don't ... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:59:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- cq is the messiah! icq! icq! -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:49:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Blimey -Yesterday a hero, today messiah, tomorrow -:- Fri, May 05, 2000 at 14:06:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- Do YOU know? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 10:52:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Not really worth responding to, but what the hell -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:28:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Funny you'd mention Howard Stern -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 15:38:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Finding Out Maharaji isn't God -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:56:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B -:- Finding Out Maharaji isn't God -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:54:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ... and finding out God isn't Maharaji ... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:20:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Jow Whalen abandons objective reality!!!!!!!!!!! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:45:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Translation.... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:35:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- I meant 'Joe' ... msut be my computer (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:46:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Yes, it MSUT be your computer(nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:37:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Joe, you're wrong; Observer, you're right -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:21:45 (GMT)
__ __ Q -:- the dialogue dwindled...your response, James? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:10:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- the dialogue dwindled...your response, James? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:27:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Q -:- not quite, JW... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:44:47 (GMT)


Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:23:30 (GMT)
From: EV-ex
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews
Message:
A premie friend of mine doing 'security service' at the recent Santa Monica program told me that security has PHOTOS of many ex-premies. If any of these people are spotted at the 'verification tables', security is instructed to 'uninvite them from the program' and escort them out. Security doesn't have a photo of Jim Heller and several others (whose names they do have), so they found people who DO KNOW THESE EXES BY SIGHT to stand around at the verification table to point them out!

Whatever happened to 'my door is always open'?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:33:24 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: Are Satpal and his devotees on the list?
Message:
Maybe they should share their lists ....
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 11:17:52 (GMT)
From: ex
Email: None
To: thread
Subject: What they dont know ..
Message:
is when they were filming the darshan lines a couple of years ago, many exes went through to verify that the trip was the same old scene.

It is very every easy to act out a part that you gave your life for once upon a time.
I was one of a group that went through.
Such bliss is easily simulated.

One guy had a wierd little camera on him and filmed the carnage.
Thats been shown a few times!!! About once a year we show it at potlucks and laugh till it hurts.

These guys are so zealous that they lend it to aspirants- complete with dubbed music which is not very reverent.

I have heard that there is one of Maahahahah leaving the stage during the mediations at a Knowledge Review.

some perfect master

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:55:18 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: ex
Subject: Time to share that film with the rest of us? (nt)
Message:
Time to share that film with the rest of us? (nt)
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:11:42 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: Was anyone actually escorted out?
Message:
Did your friend say if any ex-premies were spotted and asked to leave? I think if this happens, people should write letters to the local newspapers pointing out that this supposed 'master' excludes people who are critical of him, and won't allow them to participate in something that he claims to be for anyone, despite what you happen to believe. The hipocrisy is clear and huge, and we should publicize it.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:08:20 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: This is SO funny! We're famous!
Message:
Thanks for the laugh - I have never felt so important in my life. Sheesh! No one in EV ever paid any attention to me and many other ex-premies here when we were premies, so guess they are making up for it now.

I know they must have my picture (if they want it), because I posted links to it on the forum a few times. They probably have copied the 'Latvian' club pictures too. And I am sure they have pictures of JW and others in their files. But what I think is REALLY funny is that they don't have Jim's picture... Watch out for men in black outside your office, Jim :)!

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:23:22 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Jim should send an autographed picture.....
Message:
Have it say something like: 'To the Lord of the Universe with synchronized gratitude and appreciation, Jim.'

Also, why not at least control the picture; at least it should be something flattering. Hey, how about a group photo?

Actually, I doubt they have a picture of me. We didn't take pictures in the cult. But there are plenty of people who could watch out for me, although my hairline has receded somewhat in the past 20 years.

Here's another idea. If you are out of the country, attend an 'event' there, where nobody knows you, although, on second thought, I think I would throw up.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:22:05 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Jim, Send them a picture -- autographed, of course
Message:
Have it say something like: 'To the Lord of the Universe with synchronized gratitude and appreciation, Jim.'

Also, why not at least control the picture; at least it should be something flattering. Hey, how about a group photo?

Actually, I doubt they have a picture of me. We didn't take pictures in the cult. But there are plenty of people who could watch out for me, although my hairline has receded somewhat in the past 20 years.

Here's another idea. If you are out of the country, attend an 'event' there, where nobody knows you.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:33:53 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I have several pictures of Jim AND of JW...
Message:
Maybe I can make money for the site by auctioning them off :). (I doubt if people would recognize you in your new 'buffed' incarnation, Joe!)

Seriously, if I ever want to attend an event (and I have considered it - but NOT a K review), I'm going to be upfront about who I am, and see what happens.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:32:31 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: The Extreme Paranoia Didn't Work
Message:
I am aware of at least two ex-premies who attended the knowledge review given via DVD in Southern California. In some cases EV doesn't KNOW that people really are exes. In other cases, ex-premies got in anyway, although in one case the ex-premie nearly got nauseous and left early.

Here is what I am told they did. In order to go through the grilling/screening process, whether you were an ex-premie or not, you had to find another premie to testify that yes, you really had received knowledge and they had to vouch for you to whoever was at the reception desk.

I have no doubt they have our names and pictures. Paranoia is the hallmark of a cult, and Maharaji has it in spades. Don't you just love it that we are a thorn in their sides? We can all be grateful, I mean have appreciation, that we are giving lots of security people the opportunity for synchronized participation.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:52:43 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Message:
I just cannot believe this! It's the height of paranoia! I don't want to attend a k review. I have better things to do with my time. I hope they have giant photos of me from Latvian night and made all the security stare at it for a good long time. I would have puked too.

I'm sure J-M's k review was much more informative and entertaining.

More grist for our coffee klatch, Joe!

Marianne

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:37:41 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Did you ever wonder why
Message:
he only wants to have his cars fixed and repared in the residence?

Fearing bombs???

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:14:15 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: The Extreme Paranoia Didn't Work
Message:
I attended the KR in S.M. and also left early (after the first DVD technique). Couldn't do it. I was aware that, whatever M was saying about 'experiencing this life,' he in fact has nothing to do with what I experience. I guess that that's the primary difference between premies and exes--that premies ascribe their experiences to M (only the good, of course; the bad experiences are their own fault), and exes realize that their experiences, both good and bad, if I may simplify matters, are a function of plain old life, which can be quite wonderful in its plain-ness. To be honest, I feel more joy, gratitude and appreciation (if indeed these are the hallmarks of a realized soul as stated by M) since I've left M than anytime before. I certainly had some wonderful experiences when I practised K, but I also have and had some wonderful experiences, and more so, since my departure.

M certainly still considers himself to be a/the Master, because one of the three promises a person must make before receiving K is that they will not reveal the techniques. He said, '[L]et the giver give the gift. Only the Master knows if you need Knowledge.' My problem with this is that if M is giving K via DVD, how does he know, since he's not in the room, whether a person 'needs' K or not? How about wanting K? I would think he'd rather have people who want K, rather than need K, because the spin-out factor would be less. But, hey, I'm not a/the Master. Far be it for me to question, correctemente?

The fact that exes were 'uninvited' is proof positive of the cultishness of EV, where no room for alternative viewpoints and discourse are allowed. It's just a one way street of 'positive' babble about appreciating, participating and gratitudinizng. It's a closed system, with no room for feedback, and like a bug in an airtight jar, EV/M is eventually doomed to pass on for lack of oxygen, whether literally or metaphorically.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:52:37 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: Very Well Said, Ajax
Message:
I think you said it all very well.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:21:59 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: To Ajax
Message:
Ajax,

Were you required to get a premie to vouch for you, that you had actually received knowledge, even though you had told them you had? How intense was the screening process? Did they ask you anything else, like what you thought of Maharaji or anything like that?

So, just to clarify, was Maharaji actually there, in person, or was it all done via DVD/Video?

Is the plan now that people will receive knowledge via DVD, and who gets to decide that someone is ready to view the DVD? Do any of the premies think it's weird that Maharaji is removing himself even more from contact with real people? Does this trouble any of them?

Is there any indication that knowledge is going to become easier to get? I mean, will people still have to grovel and prove some kind of 'devotion' before getting to watch the DVD? Frankly, it sounds mucho inane.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:12:57 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: To JW
Message:
As soon as I walked in to the 'verification' room, a premie I knew from way back walked up to me, took my arm, brought me to the table and told one of the available persons that I was a premie. They didn't ask what I thought about M or anything of that nature. They then attached a wrist band which would allow me access to the two sessions the next day. Some people had to look around and find someone to vouch for them if no one approached them first. I did see one person who did have knowledge look around for someone and was having difficulty finding someone to vouch for them. Obviously, this system is somewhat fraught with problems, because if you were Jack or Jill Premie and were/are completely anonymous (as so many of us were), it might be nearly impossible to find someone to vouch for you, particularly if you're not from the area in which the event is being held.

M was there in person. He spoke for an hour, and then when the DVD KR was played, he left the stage. I found the DVD presentation to be seriously repetitive, but if it's to be used for giving K, then such redundancy is probably necessary. BTW, M emphasized that the DVD was not for a review per se, but was to be a tool used in the initiation process. M also stated that he made the DVD in order to give K in those places where he didn't want to go (i.e., dangerous places seemed to be the implication), but it beats me how the selection will take place, particularly given that he said 'let the Master decide who needs K.' Your guess is as good as mine. Also I suppose that even if you don't have to grovel beforehand, there's plenty of subsuming of self to be had afterward, don't you think?

I did speak to one premie friend afterward and she mentioned that she thought it was strange, and that she 'didn't know what to think of it.' And this is from a long-time practicing premie. I would imagine that she was not the only one who felt somewhat jarred by the DVD presentation.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:45:17 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: High Quality Text again Ajax....Thanks (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 05:11:25 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Well, Thanks again (nt)
Message:
m
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:44:51 (GMT)
From: l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l
Message:
l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:36:26 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:
Subject: l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l
Message:
Thanks for the border design, copied it, I love it!
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:04:28 (GMT)
From: ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l©
Message:
©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l©
be careful, it's copyrited
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:19:48 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»
Subject: ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§l©
Message:
Today?! Guess I should have kept my compliment to myself! :|
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:40:48 (GMT)
From: ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»
Email: l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§
To: Robyn
Subject: §«:*´`´`*:»just kidding about the ©«:*´`´`*:»§
Message:
I am glad that you enjoyed it. And I was just kidding about the copyright. I like it a lot too. It is free and it is yours.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 07:15:49 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: ©l§«:*´`´`*:»«:*´`´`*:»§»
Subject: §«:*´`´`*:»just kidding about the ©«:*´`´`*:»§
Message:
Oh, glad you weren't being wretched! Thanks.
I was thinking your 'alias' is like the symbol for, the man formerly known as Prince! :) Hahahahaha!
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:23:35 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: Nice writing... Ajax (nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:50:43 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Thanks (nt)
Message:
mm
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:48:06 (GMT)
From: Raina
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: where/who can I send my picture to-to help out
Message:
...to make their jobs easier, so they'll have more time to
'be in love'....
...how LAPD no?...
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:57:07 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: you can send it to me...
Message:
I'll make sure they get it.

Feeling better today, Raina? You were a little pissy yesterday. My, my, how we expereince those flip flops in attitude and belief. Trust me, I know how it is...

Dr Gerkyl soon to be Mister Hyde

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:20:05 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Of course you do!! NT
Message:
NO TEXT!!!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:28:06 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: you can send it to me...too! dad lord in shower
Message:
As to your question now in the inactive file Raina,
I dont know where or when the -Premie- title came into the rawat familys' we are the lords of the universe family game.

The old man?
Who slipped on soap and died in a shower perhaps having attained
self delivered extasy just moments before?

Kundalini snake and all that

Or mother of the universe who died after her youngest lord son shunned her disobedient ass for 17 years till she died.

Or is it an indian tradition, You know, another way of saying slave.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 01:16:49 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Mata Ji's dead? Didn't hear,when?NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:00:15 (GMT)
From: obit page
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Mata Ji's dead? 1991 (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 01:56:26 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: obit page
Subject: sad story when the ego's finally back off.
Message:
Of course it was only fair, who knows how many people lost thier own family at the hands of that looney clan.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:42:55 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: EV-ex
Subject: ha-ha! They'll never spot me in false beard and...
Message:
glasses... Another soul-blackened heretic for the Lard's file of the damned!
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:13:30 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Nigel, you have lost weight.......
Message:
Are you eating okay? You are looking kind of thin, at least compared to that last photograph you sent me. I know it is an anathema to Brits, but I have found peanut butter (organic and chunky, of course) to be an excellent way to put on a few pounds. ::)) Just a suggestion.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:29:24 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: JW
Subject: Hmm, true enough...
Message:
Very observant Joe. I actually lost over a stone and a half since a year ago. Mainly from swimming and cycling a lot but partly, I think, through the combined stress of the marriage split and my taking on of a full year's classroom teaching. At nine stone twelve I am actually about eight pounds underweight for my height and frame so I am trying to get a lot more protein into the diet. It's good to be slim I reckon but not anorexic-looking which is what I'll be if I lose any more!
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:01:24 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Jim has pounds (maybe a stone or two) to give you
Message:
Maybe you could get some from him if you need them....

9 stone 12: Isn't that about 140 lbs.? I should know this from when I went to school there, but isn't a stone about 14 or 15 pounds? That does sound kind of thin.

Forget the protein; try milkshakes and pizza. That will do the trick, fast!

Seriously, I was sick of being a skinny vegetarian, and I have been trying to gain weight for the past 2 years, and I was successful in gaining about 30 pounds (is that 2 stone,2?), while doing a lot of weight lifting, but I can't seem to gain anymore. That was my 'bulking' phase, or so I am told. So, now I am in a 'cutting' phase, eating less, doing more cardio, more reps on the weights, etc., and hopefully I won't lose too much of the muscle I put on. What a game it all is.

I think this is part of the downside of living in California, especially in SF or LA, where all the gay men have these great bodies. It's hard to walk around in public and not be muscular. I know, peer pressure, right?

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:09:18 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Ouch!
Message:
What's particularly bad is that I actually got really nice and thin last year on a high protein diet. Hey, it's not like I'm fat or anything. Just vain. High standards, you know.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:30:20 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:07:53 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Ouch!
Message:
It's funny,Jim. I picture you as a slim,good dresser,good looking attorney. Maybe even some decent pectorals. Possibly a sun room on occassion. Never thought about the hairline - didn't matter- bold guys are great.
You mean you used to have a pound or two in excess.
Overall, I pictured rather sexy and confidant.
Am I out of line here. Don't know you as well as JW,I guess. Oh, and waistline 35-38 inches. Possibly 6',but no less. This is in my mind -no judgement if you're shorter or bigger.

Elaine

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:11:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: That's a laugh, kinda
Message:
5, 11', fluctuate between 170 and 190, no muscles worth speaking of .... well, ... naw, forget it
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 16:33:39 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: That's a laugh, kinda
Message:
Close enough for me.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:26:02 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: ha-ha! They'll never spot me in false beard and...
Message:
You are too much!! ROFL!!!!

I have to say that when I clicked the link your picture surprised me... Guts??? Naaa... We all should do it!!!

Hi Nigel!!!

SB

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:27:25 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: SB
Subject: Yeah, my face seems to have that effect...
Message:
..for some reason!

Actually there are no guts necessary (I cycle through Toxteth every day where on a bad day derelict kids will hurl rocks or abuse at you by way of saying 'good morning' so the thought of a premie hit squad doorstepping me with some heavy satsang doesn't keep me awake at night..!)

Anyway, hi SB! Not sure if we've chatted on the forum before but I guess we will before long. As predicted I can't stay away for long and it seems I'm back already...

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:17:03 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews
Message:
HI!

I wonder how GM would explain that? Maybe can be a good idea if as many as possible of us write him about this subject, asking what about 'I will never abandon you': Will 'they' answer? I'm sending him an email right now...

SB

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:39:40 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Fatso Ji's reply to' I'll Never abandon you'
Message:
Hi SB,

He would tell us to crawl on our bellies to his stinking lotus feet and then beg like dogs for his forgiveness. Then, maybe by his grace, in forty lifetimes we could attend his boring programs again.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:42:49 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Fatso Ji's reply to' I'll Never abandon you'
Message:
You forgot the bit where you lick those twinkling toes and express your gratitude for being allowed to crawl on your belly
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:37:38 (GMT)
From: Gerky
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Hey SB can we be friends?
Message:
damn I KNEW you were good lookin...

Peace.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:51:57 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Gerky
Subject: Hey SB can we be friends?
Message:
Who are you????
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:02:04 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Gerky was a typo, right?
Message:
You are Gerry the jerk? Right? Or you ment your name is Gerk?
ROFL
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:31:19 (GMT)
From: Dr Gerkyl
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: No, no, nine, noueax (frog talk)
Message:
Of course it wasn't a typo and of course I'm squirming at your lotus feet begging forgiveness for my (multiple) offenses.

Really, it's good to know you are a flesh and blood person and I can put that ghost to rest... I knew there was something special about you but Selene is still my favorite. Cheers as Jethro says. And best to JM, kuh-tie and Brian and Brian, get offa that sofa and start partying boy !!!

Sincerely,

Mr Hyde or someone, I can't keep em straight...

ps: I can say frog cuz I are one, at least half frog :-)

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:28:04 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Dr Gerkyl
Subject: I don't understand your nerves!! nt
Message:
Jerk!!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:27:41 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: Why would I go there???????
Message:
Still trying to figure it out!!!!!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:37:31 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: That's easy, JM: to give a knowledge review
Message:
JM,

You forget that you're a licenced practitioner. You do still have your licence, don't you? You haven't let it lapse or anything, I hope.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:46:14 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Applying for a K reviews' contest
Message:
Mine will be open to everybody. No security at the entrance.

Haha...

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:26:32 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: A printout of this list.......
Message:
would be very interesting. I am reminded of the Salem trials and the Joe McCarthy era.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:33:35 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Is SANFORD PASS on that list?
Message:
Hey Angry, watch what you ask for!!
A printout of a list of ex- premies would be HUGE!

Really, how many names here can they get?
Most names here are not used.

Can we post posts as MILI and Sanford and get them banned from programs for thier own good?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:17:34 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Are Joan Apter and Gurucharanand on the list?...
Message:
See, these two are examples of people who are ex-premies but pretend to be premies so they can go to the 'events' and see their friends. But what Elan Vital doesn't know is that they both post here, one as 'An Ex-Premie,' and the other as 'Another Ex-Premie' (that's Joan). We get regular reports from them all the time.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:52:30 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Are Joan Apter and Gurucharanand on the list?...
Message:
Are you sure about this?
Aren't you making assumptions about why they attend events?
Maybe they have a few questions they need to answer for themselves
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:06:54 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: I was kidding.......nt
Message:
But it does raise the question that no one knows who is an ex and who isn't. Maharaji can never be sure.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:34:14 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Are Joan Apter and Gurucharanand on the list?...
Message:
I guess most of the former mahatmas are on the ex list!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:39:42 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Come to think of it....
Message:
Since 90% of the people who have received knowledge have split from Maharaji and are ex-premies, the list must be VERY long.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:03:27 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: 90% have left.....guess .... fact? (nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:02:10 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: More an educated estimate.....
Message:
Back in the mid-70s, DLM claimed that over 50,000 people had received knowledge in the US. By the end of the 70s about 10,000 people, at most, would come to big festival. That's an 80% attrition rate right there. Since then, I don't know how many people have received knowledge, but I saw a video in which Maharaji bragged that 8,000 people came to an international program in Long Beach in 1996. We have also heard that there are only about 4,000 active premies in North America, according to Raja Ji who said it at some 'participation meeting' that someone reported on. So, that's at LEAST a 90% attrition rate.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:26:34 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: any estimates on the annual price of participation
Message:
Any estimates on the annual price of participation in dollar amounts? I know the cost is high in other unquantifiable areas.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:57:17 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews
Message:
This calls for some good sunglass-and moustache disguises.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:53:49 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: Powerman
Subject: Exes UNINVITED to Knowledge Reviews
Message:
Durga Ji and Premlata (Wadie WHO?) probably post here in their free time as well.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:56:13 (GMT)
From: farmy
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: i love powerman man (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:47:29 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: farmy
Subject: Ah P-man's a weenie, er whiner, er a winner, er,
Message:
I know fo' sho he's Rich.

Can I change my name too?

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:10:54 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Hi Gerry!
Message:
Hey Ger! What's with the weird capitalization of some letters in your name. Is that your way of disguising yourself so you can get into the next k review in LA?

I'll be back on May 16th. Talk to you then!

Love, Marianne

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:41:58 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Ah P-man's a weenie, er whiner, er a winner, er,
Message:
Gerry,
Do you have an email address I can email you at?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:25:51 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: I wonder...
Message:
...if they'd spot me if I was in drag.

I've been waiting for an occasion to wear this really cute blue number I got in the January sales.

Anth the Antonia

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:45:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: EV-ex
Subject: What are they afraid of?
Message:
I don't get it. Do they think that some ex-premie's going to infect the Knowledge with a virus or something? Why can't we see the Light of God again? Wouldn't that be God's greatest chance to remind us of His Love and bring us prodigal sons and daughters Home?

Really, I find it kind of touching that Maharaji's watching out for me, so to speak. Years ago, when some big Mahatma from India, highly touted as one super high dude, bolted from Maharaji just before Amherst, I believe, the word was put out that he was 'manmot', that he'd made some sort of tacit pact with the mind and was now armed with a forked tongue and dangerous. (Sampuranand? Was that his name? Short, little Yoda type. Thick, coke-bottle glasses.) So now, without years of austerities, charities or other similarities, without anything really, I've reached the exalted heights of being a devil. Well, this just has to be good for my sex life if nothing else. Now I can wear those little horns Laurie bought me with pride.

Hey, I might even wear them out the store or other small jaunts around the neighbourhood. Either that or break in this new Groucho mask, the one I plan to wear to the next

KNOWLEDGE REVIEW! HA HA HA HA HA!! THEY'LL NEVER CATCH ME NOW! NEVER!

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:28:43 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Fuck you Heller you piece of shit (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:31:12 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Shri Hans' exes
Message:
I was reading the 'Satgurudev Shri Hans Ji Maharaji' over on JM's site. The book is rather candid about the opposition Shri Hans experienced.

'These were the years of great strain and hectic activities for Maharaji Ji (Shri Hans), when even some of his own disciples became ungrateful and betrayed him.'

Can you imagine such ingrates! But wait:

'He dealt with the culprits in a most masterly manner. Some, who repented sincerely after their misdeeds, were forgiven.'

Perhaps we could submit this passage to the people at the 'verification table' and be allowed in. After all, Shri Hans said: 'Who can be more merciful than a Guru? The Guru is the very ocean of mercy.'

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:41:33 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Shri Hans' exes
Message:
Perhaps we can be the American spinoff of the Arya Samaj (sp?). They were a group in India who were rabidly anti-guru. Not sure if they picked on Shri Hans in particular, or all gurus in general.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:11:10 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: It took me ages to load, but I found this:
Message:


It took me ages to load, but I found this:

http://www.aryasamaj.com



and these pics might interest Jean-Michel:

http://www.aryasamaj.com/pioneers.htm

Just why they pissed off DLM in the early days, I don't yet know. Any archivists out there?

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:41:55 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: It took me ages to load, but I found this:
Message:
Good catch, cq, and Michigan no less.

This is from their intro, 'Arya Samaj today strives to promote, preserve, and realize the Vedic heritage.'

i don't think they pissed off DLM, but vice versa. Perhaps Arya Samaj thougt DLM/Shri Hans wasn't promoting, preserving and/or realizing the Vedic heritage (whatever that may be). Maybe AS is the Vedic equivalent of fundamentalist Christians.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:19:44 (GMT)
From: M. Dettmers'inner game
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I know I am going.
Message:
I know I'll go and break-out crying and laughing at the wrong moments. Who wants to bet I'll do it? I'll take all of them bets. Big and small. Who, me, chicken? Don't push me hoping to get an egg. Okay. Where is the next KR? I may shave my head just to look like my favorite Micheal. I'll bring a pizza in. A ghetto-blaser as well. Confettis. A bodyguard on each side. Cards with www.ex-premies.org printed on them. Quiet days are through. War was declared as far as I'm concerned. Do you want me to strip as well? How much can you offer? Have you seen 'The fisher king'? How did you like the drag queen who delivered sing-o-grams? Exactly my type. I can be a freak right out of a freak-show. A nut-case. A schizonoiac and a psychopath as well. All together now: 'All we are saying. Is give me a break.'

Is it still possible to purchase stink bombs. It'd be great during nectar.

I am pretty nasty at the wrong time and will keep my identity secret for now. You'll hear about it. This may very well be my last knowledge review. I hope I get it right this time.

That being said, security won't ever be the same until I show-up. I must hurry before they start serving Kool-Aid. My plan is to act before the end of 2000. Does anyone want to pitch-in? I need 4 doorman-looking accomplices to start with. I know this isn't respectful of sincere devotees, but what can I say. I wonder if I could smuggle mices in. I think I can. I know how. About rats? It is possible. The idea is not to appear to have luggage with me. Easy. Ladies purses. I need ladies smugglers as well. Four of them. Please identify where you live.

shit_hit_the_fan@usa.net

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 11:00:26 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: Everyone
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
I was reading the archives about the nectar technique, you know that bizarre pratice of swallowing your tounge and sticking into your nasal cavity. Like most pratitioners I never tasted anything but post nasal drip, however my tounge became very strong and flexible, I found that the girls love that!

Thanks Goo Muraj Ji!!!

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:18:48 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: Straight Answer PLEASE?
Message:
the 'swallowing the tongue' thing?....this is true?
you can make pages of sexual inuendo jokes after you first tell me if it's really true ok...
please? no way???
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:12:46 (GMT)
From: It's
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: all here raina,techniques,search and you will find
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:21:18 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: (like?your tongue goes BACK into your throat?)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:39:31 (GMT)
From: james flynn
Email: not given
To: raina
Subject: (like?your tongue goes BACK into your throat?)
Message:
Yes but then it goe up into your nasal cavity. So technically you do not really swallow it.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:38:34 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: james flynn
Subject: no way...
Message:
maharaji himself teaches this to people? then? now?
or was it more of an extracuricular over-eager sort of.....

are you being hanibal lecter trying to get me to swallow my tongue!
that's SO funny!

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:17:19 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: DON'T swallow it now. Seriously. The technique is
Message:
DON'T try to swallow it. Seriously. The technique is dangerous (as originally taught by the Maha and his mahatmas I think he's changed it now to some sort of 'let your tongue go where it wants to' spiel).

Purely for information's sake, the upper cavity of the nasal area was the target. Main result of practising the technique? Discomfort from a sore tongue and the realisation that post-nasal drip tastes weirdly similar to passion fruit.

It also kept us premies nice and quiet.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:56:45 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: NO SHIT!
Message:
I'm not asking for the 'techniques' etc...i just can't believe that's one of them
...too sick!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 19:42:51 (GMT)
From: M. Dettmers'inner game
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
James. you sound familiar. Where are you from?
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:56:23 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: M. Dettmers'inner game
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
Our nations capital.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:17:11 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
Dear James,
'Like most pratitioners I never tasted anything but post nasal drip, however my tounge became very strong and flexible, I found that the girls love that!'
That is so funny, and I am sure, true! Gotta look for the positives! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 12:24:41 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
My favorite technique James. It inspired that well known devotional song:

God is snot and snot is God,
snot is truth and snot is peace,
and we could do with some today.
Bholay Shri Satgurudev Maharaj' ki jai,
is the living lord today.

Can you say that you've really been trying,
to bring that piece of snot into your life
Guru Maharaji has the knowledge,
to take you from the darkness to the light.

God is snot etc...

Anth the Musical

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:04:35 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: God must be a boogie man! (nt)
Message:
God must be a boogie man! (nt)
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:20:00 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
Dear Anth,
Poor dear, I see JM ignored your Mayday post, which cracked me up btw. :) Are you managing, is your mail being delivered twice a day? Electric, any furniture, a cooker? If not, just a few more days till JM is back. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:33:23 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: nectar technique
Message:
Hi Robyn,

No chairs, beds, tv, fridge, hi-fi, cooker, carpets, cutlery, crockery, towels. However, lots of books, beer, harmonicas, guitar, cds, baguettes, smelly cheese, orange juice, and ricola.

So it ain't too bad.

I've got two boxes of ricola for you by the way. It's made in Switzerland. I'll post them as soon as I remember to borrow some selotape from work so I can wrap them up.

Is JM still out of jail?

Anth the bare boards.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 06:13:37 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: Everyone
Subject: 12 steps for ex-cult leaders
Message:
1. We admitted that we are not all powerful and that our lies have become unmanageable

2. Came to believe that there is a power greater than ourselves that could relieve us of vanity.

3. Made a decision to turn the lives and wills of our followers back to their rightful owners to do with them as they please.

4. Took a fearless and searching moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God to ourselves and to all effected beings the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Became entirely to willing to forgo all ill gotten income and release
all beings from their faulty dependancy on us.

7. Humbly asked all followers to forgive us for our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of people we have harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such beings where ever possible by returning the time, money and misplaced loyalty and affection that was gained through deceptive practices.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong publically admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to establish a connection with God. Praying ONLY for knowledge of his will for us and the strength to continue doing the right thing.

12. Having had a Spirtual Awakening as the resault of these we vowed never to prop ourselves up on a pedastal ever again.

These steps are guides to progress, we claim spirtual progress, not spirtual perfection. Let us always be mindful to place principles above personalities.

( Adapted from the 12 steps of AA, for amusement only}

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:29:09 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: 12 steps for ex-cult leaders
Message:
If he gets past Step 2 (or even Step 1), Step 4 is going to be a tough one! Not to mention Step 5...

P.S. James - thanks for the answers to my messages that have now gone inactive. I didn't have time to read, post, or write e-mail over the weekend because, as I'm sure you read, we had an ex-premie gathering here. (I refused to get a knowledge review from the ex-instructor though!).

BTW, I vaguely remember Harris Ball, and I guess I knew some of the premies were into drugs. I have heard that this became a lot more prevalent in the 80's and 90's. I probably blocked it out though, because that's one of the reasons I became a premie in the first place - fleeing the drug culture.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 08:06:08 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: sharkdc@aol.com
To: Katie
Subject: 12 steps for ex-cult leaders
Message:
Step 4, 5, 8 and 9 could take a life time but with our sponsorship and guidance he could make it through one day at a time. Pehaps some day he will even be able to look us in the eyes without feeling guilty.

Who else do you remember?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:21:58 (GMT)
From: Gilead
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE !
Message:
Has anyone ever checked out amazon. com, under videos, for the Lord of the Universe? They have the video for $29.95. Since I was a late comer, with the Elan Vital version of things, let me know if thats the original film that was used by the so-called Divine Light Mission. If it is really Maharaji, I wonder if he gets a cut on the copyright. The Elan Vital people act as if they never heard of that film.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 12:45:53 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: Order LORD OF THE UNIVERSE on line at amazon.com
Message:
Search for Lord of the Universe in the video/DVD section
at Amazon.com and here the result you're going to get:

Lord of The Universe

Shopping with us is 100% safe. Guaranteed.


(We'll set one up for you)
View my Wish List

Our Price: $29.95

Availability: On Order; usually ships within 1-2 weeks.

Rated: NR
Starring: et al.
Director: Michael Shamberg, Allen Rucker

Edition Details:
• NTSC format (US and Canada only)
• Color, Black & White, Original recording remastered, Restored, Special Edition
• ASIN: B00001OX01

Amazon.com Sales Rank (VHS): 19,908

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 12:49:20 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: LORD OF THE UNIVERSE on line at amazon.com/picture
Message:
Here is the actual page: not doubt, this is about the same Lord!!!

LOTU video

Here's some service for EV's PR .....

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:56:15 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Hey J-M, did you notice...
Message:
...that below the review of this film there was a link to 'Browse other comedy titles.' How appropriate !!!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:34:09 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE !
Message:
LOTU is a PBS-style documentary of Millennium '73 at the Astrodome. It would never be approved by DLM/EV because it reveals the Knowledge techniques!

Maybe you are thinking of 'Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji?'

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:09:59 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE !
Message:
I, Gilead, am glad that my thread about this movie of the boy guru pushed some bottons, and got so many laughing. I've gotta get it, but feel ambivalent about the $29.95, is it worth it? It seems like it should be a $8.99 type of film, well, maybe Blockbusters. Does M get anything on the copyright to his comedy videos?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:12:15 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: Don't Miss It.
Message:
ET,

If it's the Millenium documentary, which it probably is, it's a great movie. It's got classic moments, like Rennie Davies saying, 'This is the greatest event since the creation of the Universe.', and going on about how cosmic it is that Maharajis bedroom has, 'Master Bedroom' written on the door.

It's got a security premie saying he'd 'slit the throat' of someone who harrased Maharaji. I think it's got someone saying that there's space in the carpark for alien spaceships too.

It's a classic. A must for all exes and premies.

Oh yeah, and there's Jean Michels favorite quote, Abbie Hoffman says, 'If Maharaji is God, then America has the God it deserves'.

Don't miss it (JHB had a copy in the UK a while back).

Anth the Movie Buff

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:54:39 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Don't Miss It.
Message:
Yeah, that's the one. I watched it again tonight and really laughed MAO - maybe it was Robyn's post below that made me take a turn toward hilarity.

I don't know if I can stand to listen to Goomraji's inane Superman comic parable again, though.

As it says on the back, you'll either laugh, cry, or throw up.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:37:02 (GMT)
From: Gilead
Email: May 1, 2000
To: ET
Subject: AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE !
Message:
ET
Tell me about Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji. Can you get a copy of it anywhere? Elan Vital seems almost embarassed when the boy guru's history is mentioned. I'd like to get a copy, and thanks for telling me about the PBS style video--it must be more objective since it isn't approved by DLM/Elan Vital gang.
Gilead
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:41:37 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: I've been meaning to ask you......
Message:
Is there REALLY a tree in Gilead, and if there is, why do they sing songs about it?
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 04:02:50 (GMT)
From: Gilead Ji
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I've been meaning to ask you......
Message:
I guess that is so. I hope Gilead doesn't sound too Biblical, fundamentalist, and therefore cultic, especially with the added Ji, which would give it more of a 'Unification' slant with a different world religion.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:58:23 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Gilead Ji
Subject: Paul Robeson
Message:
I have a recording of Paul Robeson singing 'There Is a Tree in Gilead' that is incredibly beautiful. I think it is an old spiritual. Well, everything Robeson sang was pretty incredible. I like the name. It does sound Biblical, but so does my first name, so what can you do?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:46:36 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: Ask Visions is they have 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji.'
Message:
Send them an email over on the Elan Vital/Visions website and ask them if they still have copies available of 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?' and 'Satguru Has Come.' While you are at it, ask them about that Australian film 'The Power of Love,' which has about 30 minutes of a darshan line in it. I would be interested to see that they have to say about that.

I remember a couple of years ago, Jim went on the then Premie site, before he was BANNED and asked how he could get a copy of Satguru Has Come? I also posted on there asking where I could get a copy of the book 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?' Two people emailed me and I ended up getting a copy from Powells Books in Portland.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:12:35 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: 'Satguru' Has Come was my favorite...
Message:
VERY devotional - and also has footage of the darshan line at Guru Puja 1973 in London.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 15:11:09 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: mine was 'Family of Love'
Message:
I loved the scene at the end with newborn Premlata. Whatever was needing touching in my premie heart, that touched. Probably why I was so susceptable to 'love bombing' as they call it in the cult books.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:48:33 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Ask Visions is they have 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji.'
Message:
Can you share some juicy quotes from it?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:50:58 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: AMAZON.COM HAS LORD OF THE UNIVERSE !
Message:
As far as I know, all copies of 'Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji?' have been suppressed. It is not available at Amazon.com (unlike LOTU).
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:01:46 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Fruits
Message:
So, I have been reading the ex-premie sites for a couple of weeks now. At first it was a relief, to actually talk about the anomalies that a premie lives with. It was exciting to find I could talk with my partner about Knowledge and Maharaji, subjects that a premie rarely talks about and it was comforting to read those difficult feelings being aired and to find that I am far from the only premie to have felt them. Somewhere in my readings, someone surmised that there would be a whole raft of people who had sustained major damage over a long period of time. If my own experience is anything to go by, that is the case. Up until I read the ex-premie sites, which I finally logged onto in the name of ‘service’, I had not consciously realised the path I had been taking for quite a period of time. Maybe many premies will be able to ignore the anomalies and be smart enough not to put Knowledge or Maharaji to the test, take the best and leave the rest, throughout their lives, and not have to face up to it. It is tempting to think ‘more fool them’, however, the slow, terrifying, uncharted breakdown of such a dearly loved conviction is something I would not wish on my worst enemy. I am posting this with a pseudonym, a little humour helps! AJW: I’ve got fat too!
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:09:29 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Service
Message:
Hey, Lotus,

I know it isn't easy, but you will be much happier in the long run. I remember that awful feeling of my world falling apart, but it didn't take too long for that to pass and things really got better. Like Gregg said, you are likely experiencing traumatic stress disorder, to one degree or another. Have you thought about getting some therapy? I know that helped me, but find someone who knows about cults. That's important, because many therapists don't know about them, and the particular things people go through when they leave.

Just a question, if you don't mind. What do you mean that you came to the ex-premie website out of 'service?' Did someone ask you to do it? What do you mean?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:59:04 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: Loafji@yahoo.com
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Fruits fall when they are ripe
Message:
Dear L.E.

Sometimes the depth of damage/pain/honesty/blame and self acceptance needed to acknowledge the sort of process you/I/we have been through is enough to make a person cling even harder to their treasured belief or faith.

You cannot let go until you feel safe about falling.

Just the sight of falling bodies - and the screams of exes will start a process buried deep within many premies - who cling to and maintain their faith/experience because the personal cost of being mislead/wrong/incomplete is too high.

It is only later that they realise that we are bunjee jumping.

And the screams (when they start to listen closely) also include sounds like : 'Wheeeeeee !!'

Keep in touch and ....Boiinggggg.

Loaf

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 11:19:16 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: A greenish complexion
Message:
Dear Loaf & Gregg,
I can really relate to the bunjee jumping, and you are right, I have horrified myself with the difficulty I have in letting go. I am through the worst of it now, however I still can't think badly of Knowledge & Maharaji for long without feeling really sick. One of the best things has been to find that the help and understanding I so sorely needed is there if I look in the right place!!! that is other human beings.

God it feels good to do a bit of screaming, and the screams I have heard echoing through these pages sound good to me.
Lotus Eater

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:08:19 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Bungee? There may be a reason for that ...
Message:
A young boy, about eight years old, was at the corner grocery picking out a box of laundry detergent.

The storekeeper walked over, and, trying to be friendly, asked the boy if he had a lot of laundry to do.

'Oh, no laundry,' the boy said, 'I'm going to wash my dog.'

'But you shouldn't use this detergent to wash your dog, it's very powerful. If you wash your dog in this, he'll get sick. In fact, it might even kill him.'

But the boy wasn't to be stopped, and carried the detergent to the counter and paid for it.

About a week later the boy was back in the store to buy some candy. The grocer asked the boy how his dog was doing.

'Oh, he died,' the boy said.

The grocer, trying not to be an I-told-you-so, said he was sorry the dog died but added, 'I tried to tell you not to use that detergent on your dog.'

'Well,' the boy replied, 'I don't think it was the detergent that killed him.'

'Oh? What was it then?'

'I think it was the spin cycle'

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:48:23 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Fruits
Message:
Those of us posting here have lived with varying degrees of Post Traumatic Cult Syndrome...some still OK with gurus and meditation, some not...but the main thing is: we recognize that what we experienced with Guru Maharaj Ji was more related to our own needs (whether spiritual or psychological) than it was to his roe as avatar/savior/fraud.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:13:53 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: To LE
Subject: To:L.E.
Message:
L.E.

I was intrigued by your statement that you finally logged on to the ex sites in the name of service. If you ever feel like elaborating about your recent struggle, that sounds quite interesting. Best wishes.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:16:20 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: websites
Message:
The pr response to ex-premie websites was to make pro websites in addition to the 'official' sites. I was aware that these sites were incredibly stilted by the necessity to 'toe the line', even though they are only 'unofficially sanctioned' and actually didn't have much honesty or liveliness. Sorry Way, I'm having a bit of trouble talking about this, however, wanted to say there was nothing sinister about it, I did it off my own bat. Incidentally, in the last few days all the ex sites have dropped over the horizon on my search engines.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 21:02:56 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Search Engines...
Message:
I just did a search on 5 different search engines and found the following:

With a search for 'Maharaji' the ex-premie site came up in the following places:

Yahoo: #2 behind Maharaji's own site (Yahoo is really good in that they show Maharaji's site, and then OPPOSING SITES, which include ex-premie, Roger Drek, J-M's Papers page, etc.

Hotbot: #4

Lycos: #4

Excite: On this one, the expremie sites are numbers, 1,2, and 3 (Roger Drek's site is one of them), and Maharaji's site is #4

Alta Vista: This is the only search engine that Maharaji seems to have been able to monopolize. The ex-premie site is #14, and off the first page. I have registered a complaint with Alta Vista, and I recommend we all do that, because Alta Vista lists various pages of the M site as separate sites.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 23:06:52 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Search Engines...
Message:
Dear JW,
That's good to hear. My two engines are alta vista and Internet Explorer - comes with a mac. I just checked it and Rogers hse of drek comes up 15 and then again further down and ex-premie comes up around 45. There are heaps and heaps of entries to M's site. Having been through that sick lurch of concern, when you realise that you have recommended to some fine young people that they check out his website, I am doing my best to rectify this now by suggesting they check out the ex-premie one too. Premies are encouraged these days to give out M's site to 'interested people'. LE
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:29:30 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: best wishes
Message:
Dear Way,
I also wanted to thank you for your best wishes, I feel very fragile at the moment....have you ever observed the way that premies who participate a lot get that way? Fat and shiny one day, shaking the next. I am doing my best at the moment to build myself a bit of a base.....about to get together with a group of friends and spend the day painting in the studio....just had a wonderful two weeks on the beach with my mother, now that's good lotus eating! LE
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 20:00:01 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: best wishes L E
Message:
I've been through it recently too. My sincere support to you man. Have you thought of joining recent exes? Do you know about that? It's a forum that some of us belong to which is a friendly place to discuss it all.You can apply to recentexes@yahoo.com by e mail.
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 00:43:54 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: recent exes
Message:
Dear Hal,
Thanks for your message, can you tell me a bit more about recent exes? what is the procedure. Yes, I do want to talk it out, with the company and input of others. I'm feeling a lot more perky now, saner by the minute. It is so nice to feel my old self again. LE
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 12:31:04 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: recent exes
Message:
Dear LE ,

Recent exes is a private forum , set up for those of us who need a confidential place to talk with others abour life without M. We discuss things like spirituality beyond Maha or anything we need to talk about. 'Flaming' is not encouraged. It's a supportive place to look in at.

You just e mail recentexes@yahoo.com and tell them about yourself.Maybe we'll see you over there soon.

Love Hal

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 14:50:49 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Re:best wishes
Message:
L.E.

We learned to associate Maharaji with 'the heart' and 'the thirst.' Extracting those associations while keeping hold of the heart is damned difficult. But it can be done. And it must be done.

Rawat's crime is a thievery - he steals a person's purity of heart and soils it with his own image. He takes the unconditional love and makes it conditional to himself. Witness the love of premies, how quickly it is withdrawn from those outside Rawat's measly little sphere.

We must find our way back through a deep irony, finding acceptance through a process of rejection. Sometimes premies come here and see 'hate.' They are only seeing the rejection process that must be forceful.

We are all still premies, if that word is strictly defined as 'lovers of truth.' We love truth, as Maharaji says, it is built-in, it is our default. But, contrary to what Maharaji then says, it has nothing to do with being his student. We already had it, thank you very much.

When Mr. Rawat takes his broom and attempts to sweep his little personality cult under the rug, it's time to go home. Abandon ship, get in the raft, wave good-by. Rawat says: 'If you don't like it, walk.' But we no longer take our advice from him. We don't like it, and we ain't walking either. Not till we've had our say.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 00:15:29 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Thievery
Message:
Dear Way, you wrote:
'We learned to associate Maharaji with 'the heart' and 'the thirst.' Extracting those associations while keeping hold of the heart is damned difficult. But it can be done. And it must be done.'
This is what I am fumbling towards. Dammit, I put my best into Knowledge, I'm not going to leave it there.

It was an interesting experience to sit on the hill at the back and watch M 'playing with the hearts of the premies', I'm not prepared to check my mind in at the gate anymore.

I do not wish to deny the incredible love and friendship I have felt, for my own sake. I am not prepared to pay the appalling price of giving him authorship of those feelings.

You talk about forceful rejection as being necessary.

In 97 he talked about fighting to regain what is yours. The love, innocence, trust you once had. (Big trippy bhagavad gita thing) Funny to find that in taking to heart what he told us, I have been walking away from him.

Can you sense the morass I am fighting my way out of!!!!! Lotus

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 15:30:10 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Re:Thievery
Message:
LE,

Yes, indeed, I do sense the morass, and the irony, and the budding anger as you sat 'at the top of the hill watching Maharaji play with the hearts of the premies.'

Rawat also recently said that 'the master is the spokesperson for the heart. You come to him to listen to your own heart.'

There's nothing wrong with speaking from the heart. If that's all that Rawat did and claimed to do, there would be no problem. If he spoke from his heart, as a human being, and helped other people speak from their heart, as the equals that we all are, there would be no problem.

If he were a 'successful investor' and paid for his own travel arrangements, there would be no problem.

If he stopped taking credit for saving people's lives by teaching them 4 techniques, there would be no problem.

If he had publicly denounced Jagdeo in no uncertain terms, there would be no problem.

If he had never ever claimed to be the Satguru, God incarnate, the source of peace and grace in this world, there would be no problem.

The list goes on and on and on.

But it's too late. Rawat can not make amends. He has perpetrated his thievery too long. The best that he could do is to give his premies back all the ownership of their own hearts. He could humbly apologize and ask for forgiveness. And then go away!

But no, he is currently touring the United States of America and telling every person who cares to listen to him, that he is asking for their gratitude. He says 'Gratitute for this life.' But how that translates to the premies is gratitude to Rawat for their own innate feelings of the heart! And the pitiful thing is, they actually give it to him.

The path of the ex-premie is discernment, giving credit where credit is due, recognizing the true source, feeling gratitude to life for life, loving where love goes unconfined, and putting Rawat in his place. We are up to the task. Yes, those of us who have already made the turn, and those who haven't yet but will.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 06:11:59 (GMT)
From: lotus eater
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: hillside retreat
Message:
Dear Way,
I was eighteen when I received Knowledge, I'm now 45, 'budding' anger!!!!!just trying to take an intelligent approach to this, it's no joke dealing with powerful emotions. Love Lotus

Now I've got that off my chest, I reread your posting, you are still answering my questions, THANK YOU. It's a bit like coming out of a deep freeze, the touch of a spring breeze being an expression of affection rising naturally and being responded to by the person beside you.

Incidentally, the two emotions I remember most strongly from sitting on that hill were when Maharaji talked about that bloody wallaby overcoming it's fear to come and drink the water. It broke through my objectivity and in my head I was yelling 'don't do it maharaji, don't you think the fear is there for a good reason' I felt an extraordinarily beautiful feeling of love and the other one was when he said there were 60,000 (I think that was the number, of course further reflection made me realise the number was bullshit) people waiting to receive Knowledge, I felt distressed, he had just finished saying everything has to come to an end, and I had thought that he meant his trip....I wish he would start thinking about what he can do to help the people who already are caught up in this, I believe it is his best bet to help himself. Can you imagine what it would be like for him if, instead of a few people up at the back looking at him, thinking ‘get a grip’, there was a sizeable percentage of the audience……then don’t even try to imagine the effect of the aftershock on those Poor Attenuated Masochists.
Shaking but still cool, Lotus Eater.

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:00:56 (GMT)
From: Lotus eater
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Re:Thievery
Message:
Dear Way,
I was eighteen when I received Knowledge, I'm now 45, 'budding' anger!!!!!just trying to take an intelligent approach to this, it's no joke dealing with powerful emotions. Love Lotus
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 17:57:44 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Beautifully put Way , Really superb.. Nt
Message:
Nice One
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 21:17:23 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Logging on in the name of Service
Message:
Its a bit like the 'inspiring' story of the man who attended satsang in order to critise it - and ended up receiving Knowledge.

Have we got anything we can give away ?

No strings,

Loaf

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:58:48 (GMT)
From: James
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I understand your frustration.
Message:
Let's just consider for a moment Maharaji is not the hoax you were led to beleive he is. Maybe you were right in the first place. Maybe his nature is divine. If God existed, there wouldn't be anything stopping him from incarnating, right? What now, if Maharaji really was the perfect master? It'd make perfect sense wouldn't it? What would there be to loose in practicing Knowledge? Nothing morre than following Tai-chi classes. We'll kick the bucket one day anyhow. If we wasted our lifetime listening to a false prophet, nothing much would be wasted on that day, right? Just maybe. Now, of course, you'd need a fraction of a proof wouldn't you?

You had one. It is called Knowledge. What did you do with it?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:52:18 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: James
Subject: 'proof', my arse...
Message:
Whatever you get from following Mr Toad and using his prescribed meditation techniques, that is not proof of anything beyond your own gullibility in ascribing the source of those experiences to the alcoholic millionaire in question.

I suggest you learn to think a little more carefully.

(Hmm, I notice it's our friend who can't spell 'lose' yet again!)

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:22:13 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: James
Subject: I understand your frustration.
Message:
Let's consider for a moments that i am not peeing on your shoes but that it is really raining.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:18:41 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: James
Subject: I understand your frustration.
Message:
James, I am not frustrated. I WAS frustrated. When I was practicing knowledge. When I had to measure my imperfect life against this perfectly blissful life I was supposed to be experiencing.

Now, I am happy. I happen to be following a spiritual path, one that doesn't involve worshipping a master. Others here do not follow such a path. Do I think they are less right than me? No!

Do you think I (or they) are more deluded than you? Well, you probably do, just like Christians think we're all going to Hell, but you are probably not going to engage any of us in a discussion about this.

Engaging in a discussion about belief systems is the provence of people in a search for truth, not people who know they've already found it.

And, by the way, I used to believe I had found it, just like you.

What did I do with Knowledge? Practiced it, under the Master. Blissful, occasionally. Eventually, I woke up. To something beyond Bliss.

Hope you do, too.

If you respond (and you will be a rare premie, if you do), I will too, tomorrow (bedtime stories for my eight-year old now.)

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:49:54 (GMT)
From: James
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: I understand your frustration.- I pulled your leg.
Message:
I thought I'd fake the usual conversation. Judging from your reactions, I did pretty well. Mind you, I did not invent all of it. I got some help from Blaise Pascal, a mathematician and philosopher who figurer betting on religion was an unfair bet in favor of the better.

No apologies. You fell for it. Next time, it will be Bertrand Russel. A mathematician as well who established god's existence is a paradox. I bet you'll fall for it as well.

Oh my goodness gracious. I love when a mathematician talks about god. If only i had been rational way back when I fell for the scam of a lifetime.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:11:55 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: James
Subject: My Leg
Message:
I'm familiar with 'Pascal's wager;' I'd just assumed some premie had reinvented the wheel.

Your original post was not that dissimilar to many premies' posts, although the spelling was better.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 19:46:21 (GMT)
From: James
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: My Leg
Message:
Thanks. Thanks for the spelling bit. I'm very flattered since I learned English with the Divine Times and a dictionnary.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:48:08 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: James
Subject: Knowledge sucks
Message:
I can think of a hundred things that I get more out of than practicing K, like just about anything else there is to do. Fuck Knowledge.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:39:30 (GMT)
From: Charlie
Email: None
To: James
Subject: No you don't
Message:
No James, you don't understand. You are too deeply submerged in fear and uncertainty, so you grasp onto the flimsiest slivers of fuzzy logic to protect yourself from the damning fact that you've been wasting your time for however long it's been. I assume you are a premie.

By the way, I half agree with your inference that Maharaji's scam is not a hoax. To me hoax implies a sort of game or trick which is harmless even though it might be irritating. No, Maharaji's business is quite different, it's a criminal deception as far as I am concerned and that's why there's so much anger expressed by those who have realised they've been burned. Consider wasting a tenth or a quarter of your life following a con man. You can't get that back so easily can you?

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:25:43 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: James
Subject: I Don't Think You Do......
Message:
The likelihood that Maharaji is the messiah is zero. In fact, according to the man himself, he stopped being god around 1985, although he was god before that, supposedly. And would would want to follow him? It's like what Jerry Rubin says in the Lord of the Universe video: 'If Guru Maharaj Ji is God, he's the God America deserves.' Kind of sums it up, right?

Unfortunately, there is a lot more to what Maharaji requires than just a practice, there is also a massive personality cult surrounding Maharaji in which you are expected to participate. I don't think very many people want to do that. Because, well... why? If it was just a practice, I agree it wouldn't be so damaging.

I, for one, would rather NOT waste MORE of my life following a fraud, once I found out he was one.

As for knowledge, I practiced it for a decade, the way Maharaji said I should. It didn't deliver, although I was deluded into thinking it had for part of that time. After I rejected it, my life improved immensely.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:47:49 (GMT)
From: Observer
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I Don't Think You Do......
Message:
JW said:>>>>I, for one, would rather NOT waste MORE of my life following a fraud, once I found out he was one.

But you still *are* following him! Lok how much time you waste here following his every move. And when you say 'the likelihood that Maharaji is the messiah is zero' you are being dishonest. You *can* say that it is your strong opinion he is not but you just don't know for sure. Or are you billing yoursef as some kind of all knowing super-human for optimum effect.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:59:40 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: I do think you don't ...
Message:
I do think you don't ...

... have the courage even to entertain the idea that you might have been wrong in thinking Maharaji to be the Messiah.

Have you ever asked yourself WHY you wanted to believe him to be the Messiah?

(It's a tough question, and one that no slave to a dogma would dare to ask)

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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:49:28 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: cq is the messiah! icq! icq!
Message:
hail hail....boogie man joke rules
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Date: Fri, May 05, 2000 at 14:06:21 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Blimey -Yesterday a hero, today messiah, tomorrow
Message:


Tomorrow I'd think I'd better put on a clean pair of underpants.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 10:52:41 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Do YOU know?
Message:
By your logic, ANYBODY could be the messiah. After all, what does anybody KNOW for sure? But hey, wasn't Maharaji supposed to fix all that? Weren't we suppposed to KNOW that he was? Isn't that what KNOWLEDGE is all about -- KNOWING? You'd think all this NOT knowing would be long gone by now. Guess not.

But tell me, Observer, how does it feel, after all these years, still not KNOWING? I'd say if it's still up in the air about whether Maharaji is the messiah or not, that something didn't work out very well. Wouldn't you?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:28:13 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Not really worth responding to, but what the hell
Message:
Oh, Observer that is just so cute what you said about me still being a follower of Maharaji. I just can't recall the last time I heard a premie say that. Truly brilliant and original, that is. That makes lots of sense and I am just speechless as to how to respond to it.

And for your information, I do not 'follow his every move.' Frankly, I couldn't care less. The purpose of my involvement here is because it helps people get out of a cult, not because I give a shit what Maharaji does or doesn't do.

But Jim is right, the chances of Maharaji being god are not zero they are somewhere between zero and .000000000000001. But for ME the chances are zero. No doubt about it. They are the chances are the same as Howard Stern being god.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 15:38:01 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Funny you'd mention Howard Stern
Message:
JW,
(If you don't know - I was ' A premie' in previous posts so be warned.BTW)

Ok that said. I just love HS - listened to him everyday in early eighties.

BUT, the reason I'm posting to you was your statement something about ' when I found out he wasn't.'
You have probably talked before about your 'moment' and all of realization. If you could take the time or refer me to an archive date to read about-- what I call the'moment'. I would love it.
If you've read any posts between me and others I hope you know this is not to argue with you. You seem level headed - so if you're in a premie bashing mood - pls ignore my asking.

Thank you
Elaine B.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:56:12 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Finding Out Maharaji isn't God
Message:
Elaine,

I can't say I have ever actually heard Howard Stern, I only know of him by reputation.

I think 'the moment' can't be placed in time. I had actually had serious doubts about Maharaji, and the whole cult for years, but, see, if you were doing what you were supposed to be doing as a premie, you aren't allowed to HAVE doubts, so you just repress them, I mean, 'don't leave room for doubts in your mind,' which was Maharaji's commandment. It was circular, a catch 22 so to speak.

So, I left the cult because I was so miserable that I didn't care if I was going to hell, which, by the way, Maharaji said I would if I left. I guess I stopped believing that, but the 'moment,' if there was one, was talking to this therapist named Josh Baron. He was very direct about what a charlatan Maharaji was. And somethink kind of cracked at that moment, and all the doubts I had been feeling but repressing for years rushed out in this deluge. It was like all this incredible pressure was released. It felt incredible. So, after that, I for the first time in my premie years, started to look at M objectively, and not filtering everything, which I realized I had done as a premie.

Then, it was over. Then, I started to actually feel my own feelings and thoughts again, rather than the feelings and thoughts I was told by Maharaji I was supposed to have. Things got much better, rapidly, after that.

JW

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:54:15 (GMT)
From: Elaine B
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Finding Out Maharaji isn't God
Message:
JW,
Thank you for taking the time. I smiled while reading it because it really is a wonderful feeling to get rid of all and any
'shackles'. Congratulations, though late.
Elaine B.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:20:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: ... and finding out God isn't Maharaji ...
Message:
JW, when you talk of

'all the doubts I had been feeling but repressing for years'

I'm sure that's going to ring bells with more than a few premies.

You say you started 'to feel my own feelings and thoughts again, rather than the feelings and thoughts I was told by Maharaji I was supposed to have.'

That says it all for me.

(And to think that we thought ourselves to be nearer the truth with Maharaji! - though, in the long term, I guess we are closer to the truth about ourselves, having been through a trip like that).

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:45:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Jow Whalen abandons objective reality!!!!!!!!!!!
Message:
What's this 'for me' shit? That's one step towards the guru you're taking, Joe. And you remember what he said about that, don't you? Better be careful.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:35:51 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Translation....
Message:
Translation: Even if he was the messiah, I wouldn't follow him.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:46:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I meant 'Joe' ... msut be my computer (nt)
Message:
hh
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:37:03 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yes, it MSUT be your computer(nt)
Message:
Nt
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:21:45 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Joe, you're wrong; Observer, you're right
Message:
Joe,

Observer's absolutely right and yes, Joe, it appears that once again you're trying to bill yourself as an all-knowing superhuman. Trust a premie to have a nose for that kind of thing, eh Joe? Well the premie in this case is Observer and obviously he's got your number, you false prophet you.

No, Observer's right. It is entirely possible that Maharaji really is the Lord of the Universe despite whatever so-called evidence to the contrary you allege. Mind you, it's also possible that Life of Brian was a true story only disguised as a comedy and based on secret historical documents. Joe, you went too far and, fortunately for you, Observer caught you before you went even further. You owe him one, I figure. Good work, Observer!

And yes, Observer, that is a very astute observation ... well, of course, you're the Observer, right? .... Joe is still following Maharaji. Brilliant thinking there. Joe, you should feel doubly indebted to this guy.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:10:59 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: JW/James
Subject: the dialogue dwindled...your response, James?
Message:
Mine is different: If your heart does not prod you to practice, why should you? & who else should bother to prod?
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:27:53 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Q
Subject: the dialogue dwindled...your response, James?
Message:
Who else should prod you, right? The unfortunate think that maturity brings you is that when you are being prodded to do something, it usually is to the benefit of the one doing the prodding. In this case, Maharaji does the prodding because he personally benefits.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:44:47 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: not quite, JW...
Message:
you would have to put yourself in front of M (or M media) for him to be able to prod you & to do that you (or some part of you) would have to prod you, first. Premie prodding is purely purposeless. It is, of course, possible to be prodded for another's purpose & still to yield to/for a purpose of one's own. N'est-ce pas?
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