SB -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 12:30:57 (GMT)

__ Southern Spotted Quoll -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:11:25 (GMT)

__ __ SB -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:44:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ Southern Spotted Quoll -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:53:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ SB -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:01:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:20:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:42:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Thanks, Way -- nothing new there..... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 18:50:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ The Southern SpottedQuoll -:- Yesterday's Satellite Event.... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:16:04 (GMT)

James F. -:- Who is Guru Maharaj Ji? -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 12:08:35 (GMT)

Gilead -:- Shri Satpal Ji Maharaji's web site -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:34:12 (GMT)

__ bb -:- And all to no avail. -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:51:41 (GMT)

__ __ Just curious -:- Is bb also Boodboils ? thanks nt -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 15:49:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ Sorry -:- bb is bill b. nt -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 16:13:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ blood -:- bb is bill b. -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 18:35:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ bbb -:- blood brother -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:18:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ ET -:- Almost a Journey (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:01:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Yeah, almost a Journey -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:59:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Yeah, almost a Journey -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:03:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Yeah, almost a Journey -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:54:41 (GMT)

__ Jethro -:- Shri Satpal Ji Maharaji's web site -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 10:06:10 (GMT)

__ __ Gilead -:- Shri Satpal Ji Maharaji's web site -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 21:38:43 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- Henry just threw up on M's lotus feet!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:20:39 (GMT)

__ That Lord of the Universe -:- Henry just threw up on M's lotus feet!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:23:08 (GMT)

__ __ ET -:- Don't throw up on LOTU -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:10:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ jondon -:- Don't throw up on LOTU -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:54:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ ET -:- Don't throw up on LOTU -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:45:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ jondon -:- Thanx, can't wait to see it (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:19:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Don't throw up on LOTU -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:58:35 (GMT)

__ Robyn -:- Guess what I found!? -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 03:33:13 (GMT)

__ __ AJW -:- Your teeth? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:24:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robyn -:- Your teeth? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:59:57 (GMT)

__ __ Robyn -:- I am not going to lose them this time! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 17:58:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ SB -:- I am not going to lose them this time! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 21:39:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- You're a dangerous woman I guess -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 18:33:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- You're a dangerous woman I guess -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:41:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ A Rotten Guy -:- Sorry I couldn't resist -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:09:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Sorry I couldn't resist -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 19:26:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I'm glad your teeth were somewhere else the other -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:44:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- I'm glad your teeth were somewhere else the other -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:41:58 (GMT)

__ __ Jean-Michel -:- ROFDL!!!!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:53:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robyn -:- ROFDL!!!!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:58:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ SB -:- ROFDL!!!!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:19:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Rolling on the Floor Dying Laughing!!!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:10:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Arthur -:- Rolling on the Floor Dying Laughing!!!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:56:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Bonjour, Arthur! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 17:39:10 (GMT)

blood -:- Would you buy a used car from this man? link -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 22:17:23 (GMT)

__ SB -:- Would you buy a used car from this man? link -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:08:52 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- Is it the little guy from Love Boat? (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 12:47:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ SB -:- Is he the guy from Fantasy Island?? What is.... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:18:38 (GMT)

theWind -:- Bobby -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:13:15 (GMT)

__ Bobby -:- Bobby -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 23:03:57 (GMT)

__ __ bb -:- Bobby -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:55:13 (GMT)

__ __ Selene -:- Bobby -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 23:42:58 (GMT)

__ Robyn -:- Bobby -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:22:30 (GMT)

__ __ theWind -:- Bobby -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:28:54 (GMT)

__ Stonor -:- Bobby -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 13:41:24 (GMT)

Gregg -:- In the Presence of the Living Lord -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:19:06 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Have some green plant as guru -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 14:40:30 (GMT)

__ __ AJW -:- Mayday (ot) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:37:15 (GMT)

__ __ Helen -:- Have some green plant as guru -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:05:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- Green plant guru? Or is he a little tea pot? ... -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:18:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ blood -:- a good laugh (nt) thanks -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:27:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Helen -:- the computer geek /talking frog joke -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:24:46 (GMT)

__ __ Stonor -:- So does that make me a tratakian? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 15:11:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Next question: Is Rawat actually like a cucumber? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:12:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Next question: Is Rawat actually like a cucumber? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:45:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Oops, sorry. I'll try again and check it first -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:00:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:21:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK? - WILD!!! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:29:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- 5 Platonic Solids/Sacred Geometry -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 01:38:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- I have heard that monks chanting om will set up... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:38:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- sound color vibration / More Chladni patterns -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 07:03:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- yes it is interesting (off topic) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:18:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- yes it is interesting (off topic) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 20:07:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- yes it is interesting and on topic (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:05:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Stonor...are you a detective??? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:12:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Please explain: are you a detective??? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:18:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- may have to be a bit of searching for 'Truth' (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:24:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- detective -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:57:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- It's all in the name I guess...mesmerizing names -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 21:04:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- couple too many urls in your link (nt) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:52:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Blood -:- Marat is more like a sponge -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:21:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- or a barnacle (nt) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:25:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Helen -:- Next question: Is Rawat actually like a cucumber? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:16:50 (GMT)

__ Daneane -:- I don't get it -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 04:02:26 (GMT)

__ __ Helen -:- I don't get it -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:15:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ Daneane -:- On suckitude -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 00:04:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Angry -:- On suckitude -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 15:23:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- On suckitude -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 21:41:25 (GMT)

__ wallaby -:- i aks yous -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 01:20:17 (GMT)

__ __ AJW -:- Forum devotees -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:41:36 (GMT)

__ __ Jim -:- Rats! Foiled again! -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 03:33:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ Helen -:- His grace is supremely surreal -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:19:46 (GMT)

__ __ Blood -:- Site is devoted to exposing fraudulence of M -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 03:24:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ Stoor -:- Site is devoted to exposing fraudulence of M -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 03:37:50 (GMT)

cq -:- If Knowledge is so good, why isn't it MORE free? -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:28:02 (GMT)

__ jondon -:- If Knowledge is so good, why isn't it MORE free? -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:55:59 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- I forgot - no such thing as a free slushie (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:02:54 (GMT)

__ Q -:- What is freer than free? -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:33:29 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- May/could/should you think that one thru again? -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:47:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ Q -:- suggestion does not = demand -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:20:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ cq -:- I (again) suggest you rethink. -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:29:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Q -:- I suggest you think (in the 1st place)... -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:47:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ James Flynn -:- I suggest you think (in the 1st place)... -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:11:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- A 'suggestion' from the Maha - what's that mean to -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:55:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- choice is still choice -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:12:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- seduced, broadcast costs -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 21:05:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- seduced, broadcast costs -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:47:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- reasonable income -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:54:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Non-profit -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:37:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Non-profit -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 04:35:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- As far as I am concerned he should be deported -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 04:56:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Your honor, I object... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:27:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Thanks God!! -:- Your honor, I object...Always!! nt -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:12:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- Correction, castrated first and then deported (nt) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:14:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- threat? - or just sick wishful thinking? nt -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:17:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- neither...it is a statement (nt) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:41:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- it's implicitly both, this 'statement' of yours -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:28:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- there is no intention expressed -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:46:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- here is an intention: awaken ... -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:53:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- is this some kind of premie woo-woo you are doing -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:12:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- What is 'woo-woo'? ... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:50:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Correction, castrated first and then deported (nt) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:40:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- Correction, castrated first and then deported -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:50:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Correction, castrated first and then deported -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:45:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- How about an undercover video of darshan line?(nt) -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 13:22:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blood -:- How about an undercover video of darshan line -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 15:41:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- How about an undercover video of darshan line -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 04:55:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- darshan line -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 13:48:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- darshan line -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:52:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- site seems to be down -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:17:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- site seems to be down -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:11:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ jondon -:- darshan line -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:03:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- No Darshan anymore? You're wrong!!!! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 19:16:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- How about an undercover video of darshan line -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:17:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- wow...that is some incriminating stuff. Thanx -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:24:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Non-profit: yES!! WE 'donted'.... -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:48:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Suggestion/seduction/demand/then brainwashing?(nt) -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:29:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ premie -:- A good use of your time? -:- Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 22:18:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ A premie -:- A good use of your time? -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:37:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 12:35:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ A premie -:- 'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:10:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:49:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- A good use of your time? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:26:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ A premie -:- premie is not 'A premie' BTW --nt -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 13:37:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- A good use of your time? -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 07:05:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- I love the smell of napalm in the morning! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:43:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- So go off and Practice then! -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:25:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 08:14:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ A premie -:- Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:18:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 09:31:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ A premie -:- Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:35:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 10:56:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Correction: As A premie below NT -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 08:17:13 (GMT)

Blood -:- Truth be known link didn't work.... please repost -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 15:23:51 (GMT)

__ cq -:- Truth be known link didn't work.... please repost -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 15:45:41 (GMT)

__ __ Blood Boils -:- thanx cq...worked that time (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 16:27:44 (GMT)

Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 12:30:57 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

Does anyone knows what he talked about? Tks S

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:11:25 (GMT) From: Southern Spotted Quoll Email: None To: SB Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

Yes

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:44:04 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Southern Spotted Quoll Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

Hi SSQ! Can you tell us what the program was like? Was it pre-taped? What did you think about it?? Thanks, SB

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:53:14 (GMT) From: Southern Spotted Quoll Email: None To: SB Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

It was most enjoyable.And there is more!

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:01:28 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Southern Spotted Quoll Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

Any brains left after the brainwashing??? Daaaa

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:20:12 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Southern Spotted Quoll Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

And how much did you 'donate' for this experience of satellite fed waffle Cat'- or are you on the guest list? Anth the Spoon Feed

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:42:33 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: All Subject: Re:Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

The April 30 satellite feed featured Rawat's speech in Amaroo from a couple weeks ago. According to a friend who attended the feed, it began with soft music accompanying images of Rawat and Amaroo. Rawat spoke about all his favorite themes which he delivered in one well-worn platitude after another: this life is a gift we don't realize this existence many experience only 'pseudo-enjoyment' accept the gift realize the one breath do not impose or embellish existence many are afraid to find true joy true love is not based on ideas or concepts the substance of life is within us the passion to be fulfilled is within us count your blessings and get even more blessings it's all about practice, participation and a heart of gratitude Knowledge is the best thing happening in this world realize Knowledge through the gift of service Then, an extra bonus, a little human interest story about his German Sheperd who is supposed to be his personal guard dog but acts more like a puppy - we are all like puppies wanting protection and this is a sad situation A few other people spoke (Mark Wakefield, Dick Marriot, George Luven). They also spoke of familiar, time-honored themes - how much they love giving to Maharaji and how good it makes them feel. (I'm not making any of this up). The video ended with a couple songs, including Daya singing 'everday inch a little closer to your self.' A snippet from the LA event and then: 'to be continued in two weeks.' Cost: $35.00 'suggested donation' per person.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 18:50:11 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Way Subject: Thanks, Way -- nothing new there..... Message:

Thanks, Way. I heard much the same thing from someone who was there. What a gig. Get all the premies together and get them to pay $35.00 each and say the same crap you always say. Wonder how long THAT will be profitable?

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:16:04 (GMT) From: The Southern SpottedQuoll Email: Wish you were there? To: AJW Subject: Yesterday's Satellite Event.... Message:

$7,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,oooooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,oooooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo,ooo................. and 5 cents. Of course . You know what it's like Anth , you man of the world. Just for your interest my good man Hoyts Cinema's charge about $12. So this was a real Bargain!!!!Shine on you crazy diamond!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 12:08:35 (GMT) From: James F. Email: sharkdc@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: Who is Guru Maharaj Ji? Message:

I remember riding around in van with buckets of wheat paste and paint brushes slapping up posters all over D.C. with this question written on top of a black and white picture of 'his holiness'. The message was clearly that he was the Lord. The Perfect Master, SatGuru has come, even have movie by that title. If those grandiose claims were not made the plump little boy form India would have had little to gain or hold our attention. It was because his claims were so fantastic that he was able to arouse peoples curiousity enough to get them to investigate. The enthusiam that you noticed being displayed by premies was enough to make you believe it was true. I don't know what M does now to make people believe that he is all that.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:34:12 (GMT) From: Gilead Email: captainjohnbrown@cs.com To: Everyone Subject: Shri Satpal Ji Maharaji's web site Message:

04.29.00 In doing my own research, it seems that Shri Satpal Ji Maharaj is more authentic to the original teachings of his father, Shri Hans, than Maharaji, in that he cites the Bhagavad Gita, Bible, and other religious scriptures, to express his teaching on Knowledge. I wonder why Maharaji, the younger brother, changed his semantics, stating he does not teach spirituality or religion? Did Guru Maharaj Ji teach more or less the same thing that his now older brother, Shri Satpal, is teaching? I know that Shri Satpal teaches the same four techniques, for one thing. I've also found that many Sikhs, Sufis, and others use some of those techniques.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:51:41 (GMT) From: bb Email: None To: Gilead Subject: And all to no avail. Message:

Doesnt matter what bogus self appointed leaders push as techniques, and what other older dead self appointed leaders they borrow words and 'techniques from. Facts are, you cannot get anywhere special by these methods and you cannot become a special person and get beyond human nature using those methods or those methods of thinking. Too bad for al those that get suckered in by this tradition of fantasy served up by controlling, confused idiots. His brother is also an enslaving tyrant. Painted in false spiritual colors.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 15:49:07 (GMT) From: Just curious Email: None To: bb Subject: Is bb also Boodboils ? thanks nt Message:

thanks

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 16:13:42 (GMT) From: Sorry Email: None To: myself Subject: bb is bill b. nt Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 18:35:15 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Sorry Subject: bb is bill b. Message:

Who is Blood Boils ? Blood Boils is not bb or Bill Burke. I am sorry if this name has caused confusion on the board. I chose the name because at times I have felt like my blood is boiling when I realize how terribly naieve I was when I ran across and became involved with Maharaji. I was really grabbing for straws to hold me up in a world that seemed to be collapsing around me in the early 70's. (ie. drafted into the army and sent to Viet Nam, dysfunctional family, etc.) There were Hare Krishna people on every street corner, Ram Dass had just published 'Be Here Now,' Maharishi was selling mantras on campuses across the country. All of these things presented themselves as opportunities to become 'enlightened.' I had no idea what enlightenment was but it seemed like the right thing to pursue. It was convenient to attend the festival in Montrose, Colorado. It was difficult to comprehend that the seeming wise mahatmas such as Guru Charanand could be anything but right. He had such a wealth of knowledge about things like the Gita and the Vedas that it was beyond my ability to see what was really going on with the DLM thing. Maharaji was promising to establish peace on earth, and it was very apparent to me that we needed that very badly. I didn't have the knowldege of wisdom to ask to see his business plan before I signed on. I was actually hoping that if he was going to do it, he would do it very soon. I wasn't looking forward to my tour of duty in Viet Nam. In the event that he wasn't going to do it right away I will have to admit that I was hoping that I would achieve enlightenment quickly so that I could consciously leave my body if necessary while on patrol in the jungle. Amazing how hard one grasps at straws when one is in a state of emotional turmoil such as is normal for draftees during war times. As we all know from hindsight, Maharaji didn't take the establishment of peace as seriously as we all did. We know that he is no more capable of fulfilling that claim than is each of us. We also know that no amount of motivation and effort practicing the prescribed path of his so called knowledge leads nowhere quickly. If there has been any enlightenment which has occurred in my life it is the realization that no one human being can teach any other human being anything about the soul, the spirit, or enlightenment. I realize that there are many factors which cause a human being to want to search for something deeper and more profound than is apparent in the superficial reality our culture. I also realize now that there are an uncountable number of people who profess to have some special method or technique to achieve awareness or knowledge of 'so-called' deeper or profound realities. The one thing that I am absolutely certain of in my mind, heart and soul is that Maharaji is a huge disappointment. I often feel compassion for the premies who post here attempting so desperately to express their testimonies. As if they can only convince someone else, they may themselves be convinced as well. This same shenanigan goes on in every church and spiritual organization I have ever seen. Thank you for your indulgence and now let us see if this will get flamed. Sincerely, Blood

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:18:19 (GMT) From: bbb Email: None To: blood Subject: blood brother Message:

Hi there blood. If I was mistaken for you I would not mind as we both seem to have followed the same path as you posted in your post. My condolances and my congradulations. One for the past, and one for now.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:01:39 (GMT) From: ET Email: None To: blood Subject: Almost a Journey (nt) Message:

flesh it out and post it as a Journey

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:59:31 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: ET Subject: Yeah, almost a Journey Message:

What happened in Nam? When did you see through Maharaji? (sorry, don't know how to cross out his name).

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:03:39 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Way Subject: Yeah, almost a Journey Message:

I was pushing my tongue back into the roof my mouth frantically during the 18 hour flight over the Pacific. My mouth continued to ache for days. Almost everyone there was loaded on derivitives from tropical varieties of the hemp plant. Delusional states were common. And my own delusional state about Maharaji having some special spiritual authority wasn't that far out. Lots of Jesus freaks trying to convert, military freaks trying to make rank, drug addicts trying to escape reality. I was not so different than the rest. After seeing the indescribably terrible effects of napalm and bombing on innocent civilians I began to become convinced that there was little evidence of the existence of a god or higher spiritual power who was interested in the affairs of human beings on this planet. My line of thinking and reasoning was that if this Maharaji character truely had taken the time from his position as Lord of The Universe to manifest a human form (as was all the rage and wag of his proselytizers) he had more immediate matters to attend to than teaching people techniques for meditation and holding big gatherings. It came home to me that Maharaji was nothing more than an very imaginative opportunist getting fat sitting in the West while terrible realities were unfolding daily closer to his own back yard of the world. I figured if this guy really had any divinity he'd get his butt to where the trouble was instead of to the plush life of the West. Sitting out a monsoon season in the jungle shouting at god inside my head to bring me some peace didn't seem to have any effect. Neither did the nearly constant meditation that I did in my fear and boredom. I was busy counting days till I could get out of hell. I don't know exactly when I first realized he was a scam artist. Probably had something to do with the exposure to every kind of scam artist that exists in the army. I had grown up in a middle class white community where everyone was fairly tame. I was so freaking naieve that I can hardly believe it.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:54:41 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: blood Subject: Re:Yeah, almost a Journey Message:

Blood, I just can't imagine. The detail about doing nectar technique on a flight to join the Vietnam war is chilling. Your story definitely deserves a permanent spot over at Journeys. Please consider writing it up. It is sometimes shocking to juxtapose Rawat's blatherings to the stark realities of life. A couple of your other previous posts here have made me understand your pen-name. I hope you're doing well.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 10:06:10 (GMT) From: Jethro Email: None To: Gilead Subject: Shri Satpal Ji Maharaji's web site Message:

One thing they both have in common is that they deny each other's existance in their present writings of their history. Another is that when you contact their websites with genuine questions, they don't answer. Why don't you ask them on their respective websites and see for yourself?

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 21:38:43 (GMT) From: Gilead Email: Reply To: Jethro Subject: Shri Satpal Ji Maharaji's web site Message:

04.30.00 Jethro, Thanks for your comments. I have asked both Shri Satpal and Maharaji on their web sites, questions about why they do not like each other, and why the Knowledge they teach has not helped them to be examples, in working out their differences. If they are truly spiritual masters as they claim, they are not setting a good example by not acknowledging each other, and caring for one another. You are right, they will not answer questions, depsite giving emails for such questions. My experience with Maharaji is that Elan Vital will have one of their representatives get in touch with me, but they will not answer the questions either, claiming it would take someone with more expertise, etc. What a bulking at questions! It seems condescending and arrogant, that they are afraid that coming out direct with answers to such questions might 'confuse' me (or is it that they fear loss of a customer for Maharaji?).

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:20:39 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Henry just threw up on M's lotus feet!! Message:

I'm sorry to tell you this, but we'd just dig out some old fascinating stuff, and this is what actually happened whilst we were having some great BBQ ribs .... Even Katie's cats hate him .... So much for the snakes coming for darshan .... remember that old fairy tale??

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:23:08 (GMT) From: That Lord of the Universe Email: Gilead To: Jean-Michel Subject: Henry just threw up on M's lotus feet!! Message:

As you were digging up that old stuff, did you ever come across that old film of the Guru--the Lord of the Universe? can you help me get a copy for my research work into cults (I'll try to distance myself with a scientific approach, to avoid threwing up while watching M). I did see that amazon.com has film by this title, but I don't think its the original, it seems like its a movie about the one and only Guru, otherwise known as The Lord of the Universe aka Maharaji

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:10:31 (GMT) From: ET Email: None To: That Lord of the Universe Subject: Don't throw up on LOTU Message:

I got LOTU from Amazon.com and it IS the original documentary. It's hilarious! I have watched it several times. It even reveals Goomraji's Knowledge. Take a trip back to the 70's. Will the Astrodome levitate? Haha.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:54:17 (GMT) From: jondon Email: None To: ET Subject: Don't throw up on LOTU Message:

What is the proper name for this documentary? I would love to see it. You say it can be purchased from Amazon? How much?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:45:23 (GMT) From: ET Email: 74452.1254@compuserve.com To: jondon Subject: Don't throw up on LOTU Message:

LOTU is for 'Lord of the Universe'. Go to Amazon.com click on 'DVD & Video' and then type in 'Lord of the Universe'. It is for $29.95 plus shipping, which takes 3 days. If you are more patient, you can order it from reel.com for 20.99 but there is a 2-3 week delay. I watched it again last night. It's great.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:19:59 (GMT) From: jondon Email: None To: ET Subject: Thanx, can't wait to see it (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:58:35 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: ET Subject: Don't throw up on LOTU Message:

Dear ET and jondon, When I saw LOTU about a year ago it was amazing to remember that I did do all those things! I don't know that I thought of it as funny as much as shocked to remember that I did that stuff but when my daughters and their friends watched it, now they were hysterical, doubled over, tears running down their cheecks, couldn't breath kind of laughing. :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 03:33:13 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Guess what I found!? Message:

MY TEETH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) They were in my going to the creek with the dogs back pack I'd used the weekend before you guys were here! Sorry I didn't have them while you were here though. :| Love, Robyn

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:24:09 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Your teeth? Message:

What were they doing in the dog's back? Anth the Animal loving dental hygenist

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:59:57 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: AJW Subject: Your teeth? Message:

Dear Anth, You made me laugh. :) You see I have 2 bags to take to the gym, towels, soaps, creams etc. I have a bag/back pack for everyday with most anything someone may need on any given day. Ask JM, there is a lot in it. Then I have my little purse inside that bag to take into stores. A bag set up for going away over night. And for the warmer weather there is a bag for going to the creek with the dogs. Special dog treats to entice them to come back home with me. Changes of socks and shoes for me. I am a diabetic and had a bad time of it once on a long hike there with wet socks and sneakers. Tolite paper, of course. Tanning stuff and then all the other just might need stuff. You see because I can't remember anything I have to have each bag all ready set up, many duplicates of things, brushes, cream, pads and pens etc. As I write this I see myself in the midst of the slow trasformation to what will surely be an excentric golden years! Love, Robyn

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 17:58:08 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Robyn Subject: I am not going to lose them this time! Message:

On my way out to the track to meet a friend and walk a couple miles, got my teeth securely placed in my sports bra, ready for anything! :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 21:39:09 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Robyn Subject: I am not going to lose them this time! Message:

WHOW!!! GOOD FOR YOU.... The bra is always a good place for ANYTHING.... If you know what I mean.... HAHAHAHAHAHA...I miss you and wish you were here with us.... We are watching right now the Lotus video: FOR SURE, everytime I watch it I feel like vomiting!! I wonder why??? I forgot my glasses in a store and right after I forgot the rental car keys in another!!!!! hahahaha Katie's offering too many beer?? I dont drink...when....hahahaha S

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 18:33:07 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Robyn Subject: You're a dangerous woman I guess Message:

Men have to be careful with you not to stick their fingers in some places where they might get bitten !!!!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:41:29 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: You're a dangerous woman I guess Message:

Yes dear, I have to beat the men off as they try to find out if I bite! :)

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:09:36 (GMT) From: A Rotten Guy Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Sorry I couldn't resist Message:

Yes dear, I have to beat the men off as they try to find out if I bite! :) With your teeth out, one would think you'd have special skills beyond a mere hand job.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 19:26:14 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: A Rotten Guy Subject: Sorry I couldn't resist Message:

Dear RG, I realized what I'd written could be taken the wrong way when I went to use the same phrase in my next post, which I didn't use once I realized, of course! Also, of course you are right about the toothless thing. I found out about that years ago after my daughter went to Africa and the tribe she stayed with removed the front bottom teeth of the bride and groom for just that purpose! Ahhh, the joys of aging! :) Robyn

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:44:34 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Robyn Subject: I'm glad your teeth were somewhere else the other Message:

day:-)))))

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:41:58 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: I'm glad your teeth were somewhere else the other Message:

Dear JM, What, exactly do you mean!? :) Robyn

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:53:25 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Robyn Subject: ROFDL!!!!! Message:

Be careful, don't send them with my hat!!!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:58:57 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: ROFDL!!!!! Message:

OK JM, what does, ROFDL mean? :|

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:19:49 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Robyn Subject: ROFDL!!!!! Message:

Hi Robyn!!! I got your mails... Can you tell me what Anth ment by smoking a rug???? Triple ROFDL!!!! Guess what?? Katie and I were up until 3am drinking at home, but tempted to go to a bar; there in this town many good looking young males... Maybe we do it tomorrow.... JM and Brian are so boring!! They fall asleep too early: What the girls are supposse to do?? No need for rugs, rights?? hahahaha SB

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:10:30 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Rolling on the Floor Dying Laughing!!!! Message:

Robyn - Please don't send your teeth to Paris! (I am glad you found them, but we did have a good laugh about your message! Brian said that after all these messages we've been posting, Maharaji has probably decided that he doesn't have to worry about the ex-premie forum because we are all nuts!) We are having a good time, even though we had to bail Jean-Michel out of jail for speeding (and argue with southern policemen with no teeth! What a coincidence!) Also, for some reason, there was a football game here today, and the town was packed full of students and alumni. We went out to dinner down town, and now half the men in town are knocking on our door trying to meet SB! And you should read all the international e-mails she's getting! By the way, my cat Henry really did throw up on a magazine full of pictures from Holi in 1978 (right on Maharaji's feet!). He couldn't take it and neither could I. Give us a call tomorrow (Jean-Michel says to put your teeth in before you call!), and we'll update you on all the madness. Love, Katie P.S. This whole post is written in code!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:56:06 (GMT) From: Arthur Email: None To: Katie Subject: Rolling on the Floor Dying Laughing!!!! Message:

Is your cat still purring? My cats are still. :-)))))))

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 17:39:10 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Arthur Subject: Bonjour, Arthur! Message:

Jean-Michel translated your messages to me on the French Forum. Sorry to be so controversial :)! Are you from France or Canada (or someplace else) - Jean-Michel thinks you might be French, and I think you are Canadian. Yes, both the cats are still purring. They don't know that Jean-Michel is a veterinarian yet...

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 22:17:23 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Would you buy a used car from this man? link Message:

A rather unflattering picture. Would you buy a used car from this man? But still a good likeness.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:08:52 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: blood Subject: Would you buy a used car from this man? link Message:

Who is he?? He looks familiar....... SB

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 12:47:05 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: SB Subject: Is it the little guy from Love Boat? (nt) Message:

Is it the little guy from Love Boat? (nt)

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:18:38 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: cq Subject: Is he the guy from Fantasy Island?? What is.... Message:

his name??? Starts with T, right? hahahaha.... SB

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:13:15 (GMT) From: theWind Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Bobby Message:

Can anybody tell about Bobby? A while back he had cancer.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 23:03:57 (GMT) From: Bobby Email: bobby2@mindspring.com To: theWind Subject: Bobby Message:

Hey Wind, Thanks for asking about the cancer. I'm doing pretty well. Despite a critical diagnosis, doctors at this time find no trace of cancer. It's been quite a journey. I've written up some of experience from the perspectives of spiritual and emotional processing. I consider the work I did with myself to have been crucial to my healing. My story is posted on the web here: http://www.well.com/user/bobby/bobby/cancerEHEs.html Regards, Bobby

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:55:13 (GMT) From: bb Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby Message:

Wow what good news!

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 23:42:58 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby Message:

Hi Bobby I have decided to follow you and give it a rest here for a while. For health reasons too! Hopefully we can talk over on AG. I will check out your web site. It's always good to hear from you.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:22:30 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: theWind Subject: Bobby Message:

Dear Windy, It has been a year since he started treatments for cancer and he is so much improved. I guess some things may not ever be the same but he is really well and if I dare speak for him, really happy. The cancer is gone. :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:28:54 (GMT) From: theWind Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Bobby Message:

Thank you Robyn and Stonor for the update. Peace be with you.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 13:41:24 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: theWind Subject: Bobby Message:

It seems that he has survived with a story to tell. I spoke to him a week or two ago at the Anything Goes Forum.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:19:06 (GMT) From: Gregg Email: None To: Everyone Subject: In the Presence of the Living Lord Message:

Try this some day when you're caught in a boring meeting without a magazine: pretend that whoever's talking is a radiant guru...in other words, access that feeling you used to have sitting in front of Guru Maharaj Ji, that openness. You could visualize the others in the room as fellow premies, or as a roomful of gurus. Don't worry, this is a perfectly safe practice. You will not be seized with a sudden desire to kiss anyone's feet. And, yes, Jim, I know I'm a loony fucking new-ager, but let me finish. This experiment is similar the one referred to now and then on this site...the one showing that the darshan/shaktipat experience has more to do with the believer than with the teacher. The experiment could also be seen as genuine spiritual practice (as in the Buddhist exercise of seeing each being as a Buddha). Just making lemons out of fake lemonade, if you know what I mean.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 14:40:30 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Gregg Subject: Have some green plant as guru Message:

This is well known yoga exercise called 'tratak'. Totally focus on something. Picture, candle light, plant, etc .... and you'll get to 'that place'. Of course plants don't talk (except for some persons I know) and won't give you a 'spiritual' discourse, trap you in their beliefs and ask for your 'gratitude', except maybe for the water they need to survive. The problem with Rawat I guess is that he doesn't thrive on water ....

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:37:15 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Mayday (ot) Message:

Jean-Michel, Stop galavanting around the US and come back to Paris and tell me how to get the telephone, electricity and gas switched on. Anth the unfurnished.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:05:07 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Jean-Michel/Gregg Subject: Have some green plant as guru Message:

I will focus on Tinky WInky, our guinea pig. She is the Lord.All hail, radiant one. She of the innocent and blissful ways. She lives totally in the moment, she is totally pure. Have another cucumber, oh furry lotus one. Seriously, Gregg, that was a hilarious post. SB and I were talking about that in my kitchen the other night, saying you could focus on a tea kettle or anything and have a blissful experience.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:18:06 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Helen Subject: Green plant guru? Or is he a little tea pot? ... Message:

'you could focus on a tea kettle or anything and have a blissful experience.' I'm sure Steve Hillage (he of teapot fame) would attest to that! And your guinea pig - Tinky Winky - the furry lotus one; any relation to the Hamster? HAMSTER A mangy looking guy who goes into a bar and orders a drink. The bartender says, 'No way. I don't think you can pay for it.' The guy says, 'You're right. I don't have any money, but if I show you something you haven't seen before, will you give me a drink?' The bartender says, 'Only if what you show me ain't risqué.' 'Deal!' says the guy and reaches into his coat pocket and pulls out a hamster. He puts the hamster on the bar and it runs to the end of the bar, down the bar, across the room, up the piano, jumps on the keyboard and starts playing Gershwin songs. And the hamster is really good. The bartender says, 'You're right. I've never seen anything like that before. That hamster is truly good on the piano.' The guy downs the drink and asks the bartender for another. 'Money or another miracle else no drink,' says the bartender. The guy reaches into his coat again and pulls out a frog. He puts the frog on the bar, and the frog starts to sing. He has a marvelous voice and great pitch. A fine singer. A stranger from the other end of the bar runs over to the guy and offers him $300 for the frog. The guy says, 'It's a deal.' He takes the three hundred and gives the stranger the frog. The stranger runs out of the bar. The bartender says to the guy, 'Are you some kind of nut? You sold a singing frog for $300? It must have been worth millions. You must be crazy.' 'Not so', says the guy, 'the hamster is also a ventriloquist.' PS Don't forget to check out the hamster joke page at: http://www.hamsterpro.com/joke.html But be warned! - you'll need a hamster's sense of humour.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:27:47 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: cq Subject: a good laugh (nt) thanks Message:

good laugh

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:24:46 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: cq Subject: the computer geek /talking frog joke Message:

Reminds me of another joke, A computer programmer is walking along and a frog starts talking to him. He picks up the frog and puts her in his pocket. The frog is saying 'If you kiss me I will turn back into my real self, a witch put a spell on me. I am really a beautiful princess, I am rich too. If you kiss me I marry you and share all my riches with you.' The computer geek walks along. Finally the frog says 'don't you hear me, what is wrong with you?' The geek says 'It's much more cool to have a talking frog!'

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 15:11:34 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: So does that make me a tratakian? Message:

My green 'kids' get me 'high' all growing season (including starting them under lights)! Thanks for providing a name Jean Michel! Not only do they only ask for water and other types of pleasureable care (there's nothing like pruning the roses in the spring, and talk about magical anticipation!), but some of them provide me with food throughout the year (I cook and freeze). And maybe we should reconsider the term 'vegetable' for some humanoids. Isn't it perhaps 'vegist?' Stonor

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:12:28 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Next question: Is Rawat actually like a cucumber? Message:

What would be the best vegetable to give you 'that experience'? I vote for pumpkin .........

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:45:06 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Next question: Is Rawat actually like a cucumber? Message:

You're surely suggesting the pumpkin for tratakia, no? Hmm, I'll have to think about it . . . rose or another flower is the obvious site, see Sacred Geometry, and of course, all plants 'unfold' fractally and are a wonderful model of the fourth dimension. But back to m? There is this weed, it might be called bindweed, something like a perennial morning glory (it's white flowers are similar), but I don't think it could be that. It grows deep under the ground on long white roots, growing up and all over everything else. It is virtually impossible to eradicate, especially when your three adjoining neighbours don't join in the effort - I've been trying for almost eight years now and I've been gaining some ground. I've also consulted many experts - they've suggested digging in a 2 feet deep barrier around the perimeter of my yard (out of the question for now at least, and how to find a material that would be permanent?). They all want to know how I finally resolve it. This year the next attack . . . we'll see! I vote for bindweed as the vegetative symbol of m. Stonor

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:00:25 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Blood Subject: Oops, sorry. I'll try again and check it first Message:

How did that happen?? Going too fast and . . . Sacred Geometry Now out to the garden! Stonor PS. I've been enjoying your posts and I've gotten over your name. I notice you've shortened it, or maybe your blood is simmering now instead of boiling?

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:21:15 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Stonor Subject: DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK Message:

Hi Stonor, Yes, shortened my name, the therapy of writing is cooling down the temperature of my blood. Also noticed that where ever I posted in the extended form of the name it was like placing the plague. No responses or interaction. Almost like no one wanted to get near the plague. In the army during the viet nam fiasco all brothers called each other 'Blood' like it was a shortened version of blood brothers. It is an expressive word full of much meaning. Especially here on this forum where many people have given their spiritual life blood to a charlatan shaman Have you ever seen a Drunvalo video. Interesting but very scary. He perports himself to be from another planet or dimension. In one of his videos he describes his process of coming to earth. I have run into a number of people who were his trained instructors. Very scary, indeed, so new agey that it was hard to believe. Drunvalo has a ranch north of Taos which is his own version of the Malibu Palace referred to in this group.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:29:06 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Blood Subject: DRUNVALO MELCHIZEDEK? - WILD!!! Message:

But what did you think of the Sacred Geometry? I always look for the flowers in the garbage. I've never seen a DM video. I'll do a search for more info on him when I get a chance. Don't remember how I found the site, but some of his stuff is interesting. (IMO of course)

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 01:38:28 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Stonor Subject: 5 Platonic Solids/Sacred Geometry Message:

The term sacred geometry was thrown around before this dude (who has taken his name from occult history BTW). Most of it is about the 5 platonic solids, embellishing their importance. One of the actual physical phenomena that has interested people in this kind of thinking is a phenomena called Chladni patterns. Musical tones make sand or other granular medium to vibrate (like by drawing a violin bow along a piece of glass with fine sand on it) and the sand will produce geometric patterns in it. The patterns change depending on the note, etc. I've seen stuff relating the 5 solids to chakras, but it's too unsubstantiatable for me. One book, _Rhythms of Vision, the Changing Pattern of Belief_ has a lot of material like this. Another general area of related interest is Fibonacci numbers which occur in cross-spirals (two numbers spiralling against each other) like in a sunflower, as well as in more hidden ways throughout plant life and were used by Renaissance painters in conjunction with the development of perspective and projective geometry. That Melchizadek dude sounds like bad news to me.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:38:17 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Runamok Subject: I have heard that monks chanting om will set up... Message:

a surface pattern in a ribble tank or in sand like this animated yantra although it may be hearsay.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 07:03:21 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: blood Subject: sound color vibration / More Chladni patterns Message:

It's physically possible but I don't know how fancy they really do it. Exaggeration is key to many miraculous occurences. I thought you were going to mention the Tibetans who chant with more than one note coming out of their vocal chords. That would create a more complex pattern if it were tapped as a source for Chladni patterns. Most of the occult types in the early 20th century were obsessed with synasthesia and relating sensory input into a grid where tone corresponds to color to vowel sounds to movement etcetera. The primary building block of this 'theory' was there are 7 colors of the rainbow and 7 tones in a major scale. But there is no way to prove the a priori existence of the major scale over other scales although a some interesting discussions might be had among musicians about it. This is the kind of stuff that Eurythmy was supposed to deal with- a certain movement corresponding to a certain tone and a certain vowel sound. It can be interesting but I wouldn't get to 'sacred' about any of it.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:18:25 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Stonor Subject: yes it is interesting (off topic) Message:

Sacred Geometry was used by the Old Masters in the creation of much of what we call Classic Artwork. Watch out for Dan Winter and Drunvalo as far as I'm concerned. They have proclaimed themselves to be the new priesthood of Sacred Geometry. There are also some Jewish Mysticism sites up that go into details. Dan Winter plagerized a scholar named Stan Tenen and professed to have to discovered the secret of the alphabets by rotation of a spiral determined by the Fibronacci number 'phi' through the three dimensions on a computer animation. He sold a CD for quite a while until he was caught and sued. Both Winter and Drunvalo are so deep into self aggrandizement that it is hard to see the forest for the trees. Their web presentations are so terribly confusing that I do not recommend going there (especially Dan Winters.) There are some very nice examples of artwork in the links on the page you posted. Both of these guys are very similiar to Maharaji in their aloofness and their ability to put the burden of proving their theories in the belief of their followers. Both rely on tons of catch phrases and buzzwords to deliver their message. The kind of phrases and words that premies use and give knowing nods and smiles to each other when they are used Dan Winter Be warned. His page is one of the most disorganized and incomprehensible messes I have ever seen. The Anthroposophists, on the other hand, have some good material in print, however, don't know about the internet. There is a building in Switzerland called the Goetheanum. I think that spelling is correct that was created using sacred geometry principles. Everything in nature unfolds according to the invisible impulses which are labeled sacred geometry. It is what makes me think there is hope for human kind, to see the invisible intelligence at work silently beneath the creation. Also, it is what makes me think that charlatans like Maharaji will have to encounter the silent intelligence at some point and have some real reckoning (or something) to go through.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 20:07:32 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: blood Subject: yes it is interesting (off topic) Message:

I absolutely agree withyour assessment of the Drunvalo trip. I went on one of his 'flower of life ' workshops a few years back. It consisted 98% of watching videos of him talking. Loads of far out prophesies about what will happen to us and the earth. Did you know that he claims to have new age technology that can solve pollution problems in big cities? He claimed to have tested it in Mexico City in front of senior government members there. Nothing ever substantiated scientifically of course. Apparently at new age events he is granted guru status. I personally find him pretty unconvincing and boring to listen to. Regards Hal

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 14:05:24 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Hal, Runamok and Blood Subject: yes it is interesting and on topic (ot) Message:

Blood, Runamok and Hal, Thank you for your informative posts. Personally, I don't care who puts it at their website - obviously Sacred Geometry doesn't come from Winter or Melchizedik either (the recent) - but Winter has it posted at his website and so I posted the link. (ie, my topic was Sacred Geometry and related stuff, not Winter or Drunvalo) I just wondered if anyone else found it interesting, and I did mention it in the context of contemplating flowers and plants and fractals and fourth dimension. BTW, that 3D 'yantra' you posted was interesting, Blood, but he's certainly not the only one who's working on that type of geometry. In fact, Ouspensky was on to this before he met Gurdjieff. (just so none of you think that this 'non-anything' is now 'hooked' on Winter, Drunvalo, or Gibran for that matter) Blood, thank-you. I can read that we are speaking the same language here: Everything in nature unfolds according to the invisible impulses which are labeled sacred geometry. It is what makes me think there is hope for human kind, to see the invisible intelligence at work silently beneath the creation. Also, it is what makes me think that charlatans like Maharaji will have to encounter the silent intelligence at some point and have some real reckoning (or something) to go through. Is this not 'on-topic' in this thread - the contemplation of 'God,' not m? (And Blood, do you have any related links you'd care to pass along?) Stonor

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:12:50 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Stonor...are you a detective??? Message:

glad we are speaking the same language...I will probably post more links from time to time but am still testing the safety of of these waters before I would do much linking.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:18:54 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: blood Subject: Please explain: are you a detective??? Message:

What do you mean? I'm really curious.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:24:17 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Blood Subject: may have to be a bit of searching for 'Truth' (nt) Message:

may have to be a bit of a detective searching for 'Truth' (nt)

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:57:30 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Stonor Subject: detective Message:

here is a clue a different kind of mystic

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 21:04:05 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Hal Subject: It's all in the name I guess...mesmerizing names Message:

seem to capture the unsuspecting curious seeker who then gets roped into swallowing ideas that aren't based in any form of current reality. It is very trendy among trust fund babies like coffee at Starbucks but at least at Starbucks you get some bang for your buck.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:52:08 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Stonor Subject: couple too many urls in your link (nt) Message:

no text

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:21:07 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Marat is more like a sponge Message:

Thriving in the ocean of human confusion. Absorbing the life blood out of those creatures that stuble into his waters. Basically full of holes with no real essence to his being or in his message. No apparent purpose except to grow. Hidden from most eyes beneath the watery depths of delusion. etc

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:25:50 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Blood Subject: or a barnacle (nt) Message:

fhsjhdla

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:16:50 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Next question: Is Rawat actually like a cucumber? Message:

Well you know what they say: cucumbers are the 'widow's friend'--hee hee How are you enjoying southwestern VA, is it beautiful?

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 04:02:26 (GMT) From: Daneane Email: None To: Gregg Subject: I don't get it Message:

Why do that? Just to make something out of the boredom, or to understand guru worship? Is it just to turn off and take stuff in? I thought that was what TV was for. When I used to have to deal with irate customers in a retail environment, I would hear my voice being friendly as hell, but my mind was just blasting the poor fools. I'd say something nice to them and in my mind add on all kinds of foul things I would never let out into the light of day. Why surrender yourself as opposed to dealing by doing something else?

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:15:37 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Daneane Subject: I don't get it Message:

I think Gregg was only pointing out how the experience we had with M was manufactured by our own brains, by focussing all our love and attention on something. And we thought that it was magically 'exuding' out of the big Lard Himself. I guess the technique of focussing can be helpful, in times of stress such as when dealing with an annoying customer. Or when one's mind is compulsively playing some old destructive tape and causing all kinds of anxiety, meditating on something can take one out of that and be relaxing. I guess it is only dangerous when it becomes 'reality itself' for the person doing the focussing/meditating. For example, in the premie days, the irate customer would have been seen as 'not real' or 'in their mind'. The reality of the bliss the person was focussing on would be the 'real reality' as opposed to the false reality of 'Mind.' Kinda silly, huh? Meditation is just a way to temporarily sedate oneself from life's sucktitude, but it doesn't make life go away. Better to learn coping skills and to grow up, IMO. But there is nothing wrong with a little sedation now and then. Whatever gets you through the night. Me, I take Elavil, 30 mlgms, it's great. Sleeping like a baby now (; Like you said, better to focus on something rather than surrendering yourself. Although surrendering has its place too, sometimes it means accepting what you can't change, or takng a risk. Depends on what the meaning of 'surrender' is, it what context. Surrendering to another human being, *is* one big sucktidudinous waste of time.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 00:04:52 (GMT) From: Daneane Email: None To: Helen Subject: On suckitude Message:

Got this story sent to me at my work e-mail: There once was a King who offered a prize to the artist who would paint the best picture of peace. Many artists tried. The King looked at all the pictures, but there were only two he really liked, and he had to choose between them. One picture was of a calm lake. The lake was a perfect mirror for the peaceful towering mountains all around it. Overhead was a blue sky with fluffy white clouds. All who saw this picture thought it was a perfect picture of peace. The second picture had mountains, too. But these were rugged and bare. Above was an angry sky from which rain fell, and in which lightening played. Down the side of the mountain tumbled a foaming waterfall. This did not look peaceful at all. But when the King looked, he saw behind the waterfall a tiny bush growing in a crack in the rock. In the bush a mother bird had built her nest. There, in the midst of the rush of angry water, sat the mother bird on her nest...A picture of a perfect peace. Which of the pictures won the prize? The King chose the second picture. Do you know why? 'Because,' explained the King, 'peace does not mean to be in a place where there is no noise, trouble or hard work. Peace means to be in the midst of all things and still be calm in your heart. That is the real meaning of peace.'(author unknown)

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 15:23:20 (GMT) From: Angry Email: None To: Daneane Subject: On suckitude Message:

Fatso Ji will probably steal that one...it's perfect for his line of bullshit!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 21:41:25 (GMT) From: Daneane Email: None To: Angry Subject: On suckitude Message:

Yeah, it can go both ways can't it. Manipulation sucks.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 01:20:17 (GMT) From: wallaby Email: None To: everyone Subject: i aks yous Message:

i don't get it. you say you're ex-premies; and yet you have DEVOTED yourselves to an entire site about maharaji. how can you be an ex-lover anyway? actually, i don't mind. i get some of my best info about him from you guys.keep it up, silly boys and girls!

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:41:36 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: wallaby Subject: Forum devotees Message:

wallaby, posting messages on a forum doesn't mean you're devoted to the Forum. It's not as if we pray to it, sing arti to it, send money, line up to kiss it's feet, think it is the creator of the universe manifesting for us, travel around the world to see it or anything, if you get my drift. Anth wouldn't even kiss his own feet nowadays. (not that I could reach around my fat satanic belly anyway.)

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 03:33:05 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: wallaby Subject: Rats! Foiled again! Message:

Oh you clever, clever person with knowledge, you! All along we thought we were flushing out negative facts about our former cult leader while, in reality, we were just pawns in his divine game, unwitting carrier pigeons, if you will, bringing you secret coded messages from your current cult leader! Indeed, some of the 'best info' must have passed through our chubby, grubby fingers. Master plan indeed! You're too sharp for us, Lord, using us like that. Rats!

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:19:46 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Jim/wallaby Subject: His grace is supremely surreal Message:

That's right, the ex-premie forum is just a manifestation of the Lord's lila. Whatever it takes to bring you to HIS feet!All one! All one! And if you really are getting inspiring info about M here then something is wrong with you!( or with us--hee hee)

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 03:24:54 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: wallaby Subject: Site is devoted to exposing fraudulence of M Message:

It seems to me the site is devoted to exposing a fraudulent Guru and to maintaining a forum and presence in which individuals can discuss the process of recovering from the whole mess which was created by involvement with Maharaji (or whatever he currently calls himself these days.) These are people who woke up and are willing to make a daily effort to present the facts as they see them for the sake of themselves and any other potential victims to the fraud. Unlike the imaginary psychological world in which the followers of Maharaji live...in this world questioning is encouraged. In the imaginary world of Maharaji questioning is is doubting. Doubting is against the commandments. Some of the individuals who post on this site are deeply devoted to the cause of bringing down the fraudulent person who call himself Maharaji. This isn't a fake imaginary premie-like devotion but an heart felt conviction.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 03:37:50 (GMT) From: Stoor Email: None To: Blood Subject: Site is devoted to exposing fraudulence of M Message:

Absolutely + =

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:28:02 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Everyone Subject: If Knowledge is so good, why isn't it MORE free? Message:

If Knowledge is so good, why isn't it MORE free? The gist of this short post is to ask current premies and aspirants: If Knowledge would really benefit the human race, why does Maharaji not distribute it WITHOUT the demands for 'gratitude'? (and we know what he means by that). A true altruist would.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:55:59 (GMT) From: jondon Email: None To: cq Subject: If Knowledge is so good, why isn't it MORE free? Message:

Here's some free knowledge for you. M's cousin, sevnlevnji, has free slushies today 'til 5pm. His other brother in NY is giving the first quarter-mile free today. Now there's some knowledge to take to the bank. Oh, yeah, and remember what it is we are here for: to go sit in the corner for an hour each day and be thankful for Him, and the fact that he ain't giving away slushies. I don't believe there is such a thing as a free ride with this guy.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:02:54 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: jondon Subject: I forgot - no such thing as a free slushie (nt) Message:

I forgot - no such thing as a free slushie (nt)

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:33:29 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: cq Subject: What is freer than free? Message:

A suggestion that one may/c/should be grateful is not technically a demand for gratitude, is it?

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 18:47:57 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Q Subject: May/could/should you think that one thru again? Message:

May/could/should you think that one thru again? It's certainly a suggestion - even an incentive.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:20:21 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: cq Subject: suggestion does not = demand Message:

Is that too complicated for you?

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:29:25 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Q Subject: I (again) suggest you rethink. Message:

I (again) suggest you rethink. Is knowledge given without even a suggestion that gratitude is required? Gratitude to the Maha is not just suggested - it's a pre-requisite. Was nothing asked of you when you received knowledge? More than just 'staying in touch' I'll wager. Even a 'free' lunch suggests/demands an element of gratitude.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:47:16 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: cq Subject: I suggest you think (in the 1st place)... Message:

Still have a problem with the fact that suggest & demand are different words? Oh well... In fact, I feel whatever gratitude I feel; I express it however I wish. I decide what is a 'fair chance'. I decide how often I wish to 'keep in touch'. Could I make a problem of this? Probably, but I choose not to. You do otherwise, apparently.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:11:57 (GMT) From: James Flynn Email: shardc@aol To: everyone Subject: I suggest you think (in the 1st place)... Message:

How can I have gratitude until i get my free slushie. Homer Simpson and I want our free slushies damn it!

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 19:55:47 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Q Subject: A 'suggestion' from the Maha - what's that mean to Message:

A 'suggestion' from the Maha - what's that mean to a premie? It might as well be a demand. And if you haven't got at least the potential for 'gratitude' - you ain't gonna get Knowledge. You choose not to question why these 'suggestions'/'demands' are made. That's not MY problem, bud.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:12:24 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: cq Subject: choice is still choice Message:

One may be seduced by suggestion, perhaps more readily than demand. For a suggestion to have the force of a demand one would have to have been seduced (or persuaded) already. One should be very careful which options one gives up. On this we might agree.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 21:05:30 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Q Subject: seduced, broadcast costs Message:

You sound pretty seduced. Someone I know asked if the upcoming broadcast 'cost' was required. They were told it isn't required if you can't afford it, i.e. it is required from all but the most destitute. One thing that is required now for aspirants to 'receive Knowledge' is that they have a decent amount of income coming in. Why? For the required 'keeping in touch' costs. Another requirement is to promise to 'keep in touch'. So required income + required 'keeping in touch' + required 'cost' means Knowledge costs money. It's pretty simple. Frankly, I'm not even sure if what Elan Vital/Maharaji is doing is legal. They are supposed to be a charity. They state on their web site that admission to events is free of charge. Then they turn around and charge. At the very least it's false advertising.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:47:11 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: G Subject: seduced, broadcast costs Message:

Hi G , I'm astounded to hear that a reasonable income is a requirement to receiving knowledge. Where did you hear that? I'd love to spread that one around to the premies in my locality. Would you mind verifying the source of that info please? Best wishes , Hal.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:54:16 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Hal Subject: reasonable income Message:

Hal, That was written on a post here at the Forum, probably with the last month or two. I don't remember who posted it. It was about various new requirements for 'receiving Knowledge'. G

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:37:57 (GMT) From: Daneane Email: None To: G Subject: Non-profit Message:

I was wondering...if EV is non-profit, does dough 'donated' count as a charitable donation come tax time? Do the premies that work to put together events donate their time, labor AND costs? And if so, do they still pay at the door? I was never asked to pay at satellite events. I did, but only because I knew the local community had shelled out the dough for the equipment and its core of regulars ain't too big. I was but an aspirant though.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 04:35:00 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Daneane Subject: Non-profit Message:

When you donate to a nonprofit you can use it as a write off. You can't write off donated labor normally, but you can probably write off business expenses which are donated (a business lunch about a donated service). So, if one of the orgs were theoretically raising money for a jet, say, M could donate the money to a fund in order to get a theoretical jet which would then be his for all intents and purposes- and then write the money off of his taxes. Kinda sick, ain't it? Nonprofits are also eligible for grants from nonprofits who exist to fund worthwhile projects, but I doubt M's org(s) take advantage of this.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 04:56:06 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Runamok Subject: As far as I am concerned he should be deported Message:

As far as I am concerned he should be deported. My somewhat educated guess is that there is an extremely erudite CPA firm in 'M's arsenal. This is the one thing that people who have lots of bread make sure they have going for them. The degree of his worth is so great by now that the CPA is not only a complete write off but can save him their fees over and over again. It would be interesting to know who does his financial advising. I doubt if it is given to any premie. Anyone who could fall for the premie crap couldn't, in my opinion, have enough savvy to handle financial affairs of this magnitude. CPAs are somewhat like prostitutes and lawyers in my opinion, they don't care who they work for or how they got their money just so the fee is paid. Any short cut including foundations donating to foundations, non-profits donating to non-profits, trusts donating to trusts. There is probably so much of that going on that it would make your head swim. Makes me sick to think about that the creep ever got American citizenship so that he could shelter all of the donations and his extravagant life style behind the laws.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:27:24 (GMT) From: gErRy Email: None To: Blood Subject: Your honor, I object... Message:

CPAs are somewhat like prostitutes and lawyers in my opinion, they don't care who they work for or how they got their money just so the fee is paid. I know plenty of working girls who are discriminating... just kidding Jim and Marianne and Paula. Love ya, except I don't know Paula. PS Marianne esp, but anyone else: I lost all my email addresses in a major crash/equipment replacement so drop me a line sometime so i can recover a few--Mike too.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:12:26 (GMT) From: Thanks God!! Email: None To: gErRy Subject: Your honor, I object...Always!! nt Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:14:27 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Blood Subject: Correction, castrated first and then deported (nt) Message:

no text

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:17:26 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: Blood Subject: threat? - or just sick wishful thinking? nt Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 16:41:21 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Q Subject: neither...it is a statement (nt) Message:

no text

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:28:41 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: Blood lacking nerve Subject: it's implicitly both, this 'statement' of yours Message:

but you don't have the courage of your spitefulness. Which is good, really, because spite is not really an especially constructive life agenda.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 17:46:43 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Q Subject: there is no intention expressed Message:

if you are going to get technical. I do not really wish harm to his physical person. I would like to see the aberrant genetic line which produces such an abomination and abuse of so called spiritual authority which M embodies cease to exist. As far as courage goes 'discernment is the better part of valor.' I do not see what position you are in to evaluate my courage. But I appreciate your wisdom on spitefullness.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:53:35 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: blood Subject: here is an intention: awaken ... Message:

by any means necessary

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:12:56 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Q Subject: is this some kind of premie woo-woo you are doing Message:

Attempting to awaken me? with your intentions? I guess it is subjective but I feel about as awake as I'm going to get. I am certainly no longer dreaming or pretending that there is some Perfect Master who calls himself Maharaji that is anything more than a selfish capitalist who wandered into this country at the right time with the right product. Wake up to what? The ignorance that is required to be believe M is holy or something. Don't waste too much of your intention on me. Save it for yourself.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:50:48 (GMT) From: Q Email: None To: Blood Subject: What is 'woo-woo'? ... Message:

I have no particular intentions regarding you. Awakening is, hopefully, a good intention for anyone. Far better, I'd presume, than nurturing resentments, particularly those expressed as above.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:40:15 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Blood Subject: Correction, castrated first and then deported (nt) Message:

All kinds of business info is available as a matter of public record (and in fact quite a bit has been printed on earlier forums). The corporate stuff is the most damning info, IMO, because there's no denying the massive effort on the part of this man (boy?) to build a huge financial empire. We can rant and rave all we want, but the facts speak loudly for themselves. I think M was smart enough to figure out how to keep a lot of money even when he has consistently lost the most of his followers throughout his 'career' in the West. IMO, to make a legal case of any sort, the corporate info is the obvious place to look. I wonder how much it would take to dismantle his nonprofit status (i.e., to demonstrate how it serves his opulent lifestyle) or to unearth definitive evidence of financial impropriety (which is anecdotally fairly common-tales of money smuggling from old PAM's, etc.). I really enjoyed it when Rajneesh couldn't find a country to let him in, but I'm not sure we'll ever have the pleasure of seeing Rawatt under similar circumstances. I'm resolved to live happily without seeing Rawatt go down, but it'd be nice!

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 12:50:59 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Correction, castrated first and then deported Message:

He is hiding pretty safely at this time, most likely. Whenever you do as much cash business as he did in the 70s and early 80s skimming was probably pretty easy. Uncountable $20 and $100 dollar bills remain completely hidden once placed in the ever so conspicuous envelopes that were passed out on the way through the darshan line. The only difficulty is laundering those large sums of cash into legitimate investments. This church non-profit status that he grabbed right away totally irks me. That is for organizations which actually do some kind of humanitarian work. Only thing I see him doing is making perfectly good people into mind mush. The only strategy that I think would work would be to get some serious investigative journalist interested. Of course M is at a point in his career now that he could buy his way out of anything. The best lawyers, the best CPAs and accountants. He is fairly untouchable unless public outrage can bring him down. Possibly a movie about his scheme would do well at the Sundance film festival. Unfortunately, I doubt if anyone on this list has the capital to get a major avalanche headed his way.

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 19:45:20 (GMT) From: Runamok Email: None To: Blood Subject: Correction, castrated first and then deported Message:

I think more specific corporate info might interest some of the hip journalists of the 60-70's who never liked him anyway (and they are still around).

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 13:22:01 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Blood Subject: How about an undercover video of darshan line?(nt) Message:

How about an undercover video of darshan line?(nt)

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 15:41:55 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: cq Subject: How about an undercover video of darshan line Message:

That would certainly raise the eye brows of most everyone with any common sense. If you kiss someone's feet, at least to the western mindset, you have demonstrated the ultimate in subservience. I don't even think that Hitler required this most demeaning of all demonstrations of subservience. In fact, it would probably scare most rational people into a rage if they could see what has gone on in Maharaji's rise to wealth. But, is there and undercover video of a darshan line in existence? As far as I know the ritual of darshan doesn't exist any more. If such a piece of evidence were available it would certainly be an important part of any submittal that could be included in a press package.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 04:55:08 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Blood Subject: How about an undercover video of darshan line Message:

Hi Blood, I have two of three of them - videos - but also darshan has been exposed and explained in various Divine Time magazines... They are cited in JM's site... I have all those magazines... The point is that the US allows anybody freedom and darshan maybe is not scandolous enough...We chose to do Pranam!! -hahahaha-I though think that maybe there is some media source interested in a story... Not often you get to kiss God's feet...if you know what I mean... Have you posted your email address? SB

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 13:48:21 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: SB Subject: darshan line Message:

Darshan, while not a violation of any law, is a freightening and repugnant expression of subservience. If a human being will bow and kiss the feet of another human being, at least to the western mindset, is an extreme, physical demonstration of psychological bondage and confusion. The repugnance is magnified by the added practice of putting money in a basket prior to the demonstration of the subservience. The degree to which premies go to demonstrate their ignorance is amazing. Had someone the inclination and the resources to make a high quality multimedia expose production of this practice....and the resources to publicize the expose to the public at large.....It could certainly turn a few heads and send some charlatan into deeper hells than he has already created for himself. SB. I have not posted my email address. Why do you ask?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:52:59 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: blood Subject: darshan line Message:

Hi! Can you get my Email address from JM - is in his site- or Katie, because I would like to explain something to you about darshan, etc... If you want to. Very interesting!! SB (super brat)

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 13:17:17 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: SB Subject: site seems to be down Message:

can't get through. whats up that you wish to explain about darshan.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:11:37 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: blood Subject: site seems to be down Message:

Blood not boiling: What would be the use to want to discuss it in private if I tell you here...:)))) Tell you what: just some IDEAS... SB

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:03:38 (GMT) From: jondon Email: None To: blood Subject: darshan line Message:

I would think that '60 Minutes' or some other news program would love to expose this 'fascination' that people have with this guy from India. I mean, it's like someone getting a ride in a NY City Cab, having the Hack give you a little insight (knowledge) about the city, its sights etc., and then you get out of a cab and give the Hack a tip, and then kiss his feet. No difference, just some dude from India, getting 'Tips' for giving insight (to something we already know) and then having you kiss his feet. I am compiling as much as I can about this guy to give to a local TV Invesitigating Team. I'm trying to get them or a 'mole' to go to the local videos and check this crap out. Maybe do an expose' before he comes up here June 12th. Maybe help to get him out of the Closet. Do an interview, it has been some time, don't you think? Would love to sit and talk to this character, then have him kiss my ass.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 19:16:42 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Blood Subject: No Darshan anymore? You're wrong!!!! Message:

I've been there at Santyogashram, in Amaroo ..... and it happened last year too!!!!! Why don't you ask premies? Wanna see Some old Darshan pictures? Nothing has changed, except that it only happens on private properties. He's so scared of non premies or press reporters seeing this...

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:17:08 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Blood Subject: How about an undercover video of darshan line Message:

JM has a few photos of 70's-style darshan at http://perso.club-internet.fr/jmkahn/darshan_pict.htm What I want to see is a pic of those envelopes being handed out!

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 18:24:35 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: cq Subject: wow...that is some incriminating stuff. Thanx Message:

Question is, how do you go about getting this type of information to the press effectively?

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 00:48:39 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: Daneane Subject: Non-profit: yES!! WE 'donted'.... Message:

money and time... Money comes and go but the time I gave... I regret that inmensely!! I,- and many others- used to travel ahead of time, two, three or more days to help setting up the large events in Miami and Long Beach, etc... How stupid!! SB ps: nice to see you around here: I enjoy reading your posts.

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 20:29:25 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Q Subject: Suggestion/seduction/demand/then brainwashing?(nt) Message:

Suggestion/seduction/demand/then brainwashing?(nt)

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Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 22:18:41 (GMT) From: premie Email: None To: all! Subject: A good use of your time? Message:

I feel sorry for all of you! You obviously didn't like what you got and you can't get over it. I have eaten bad food before and never gone back to the place that I got it, but you guys eat something you don't like and keep going back and saying 'it tastes like shit' and keep eating more. Get over it, get a life, don't you have anything better to do with your time, I do! I recieved knowledge and I was never asked how much I made, there are thousands of people with knowledge who are dirt poor from third world countries who have never had to pay for anything. Those who want to contribute can those who don't , don't! I have never contributed time or money and no one has come after me. You pay money to the cable company for television each month and you pay to go see movies and to go to concerts, so why do you have a problem with other people choosing to do something that they enjoy? I feel sorry when I see people like you that have so much hate and evil for other human beings. You guys are as bad as racists, not wanting to let other people have freedom to do what they want in their life. There are alot better causes that you could be putting your time into, for example, human rights, conservation of natural resources, wildlife protection, global warming, gun control, wildlife protection, air pollution control, racial unity, or become a mentor to a child in need. Any of these things would be a better use of your time. But , just like I have the freedom to choose what I do with my time so do you. You may think that this is a good use of your time , well I think that choosing to practice knowledge is a good use of my time.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:37:21 (GMT) From: A premie Email: None To: premie Subject: A good use of your time? Message:

Mr or Ms Premie, If you read more of these posts you would not have said these people here have hate for other human beings or evil or something. Some are angry and working stuff out. It'll get worked out. I agree - if they didn't like something - like your food analogy - why not just walk away. Tho, Jim is hard to read bec of the sarcasm and all - this wasn't food at a restaurant. They gave their hearts - some in the purest sense - with hopes of spiritual peace - finally - it's been a long hard road this being created. They feel duped,frauded,betrayed. To walk away would be one advanced Buddhist I'd say. Anger is part of the process and if you have a therapist that hasn't encouraged that with you, find a new one. It's extremely healthy. After anger can come the healing. A premie

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 12:35:11 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: premie (not 'A premie') Subject: 'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? (nt) Message:

'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? (nt)

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:10:56 (GMT) From: A premie Email: None To: cq Subject: 'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? Message:

cq, I know your post wasn't to me (thank you very much) - but what does it mean? It made me smile,but I don't know how a sign feels. Hidden meaning? A premie

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:49:17 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: A premie Subject: 'Warning - ravine ahead' signs hate ravines? Message:

No hidden meaning intended, Elaine, (that is your new moniker - formerly 'A Premie' - yes?) I do tend to condense some of my replies to one-liners (nt=no text) for brevity's sake, and also because this Forum takes up enough of my time as it is, and opening every post on every thread just ain't possible for me. My guess is that other posters feel the same way, and if a reply can be summarised into the minimum verbiage necessary to get the message across, all well and good. If last time I was a bit too brief to make myself clear, mea culpa, but the idea was quite simple in intent. The poster who signs 'premie' made the suggestion that hate is a prime motivation for us exes. Now, I don't deny that anger is a key part of the de-programming process, and a very necessary part of being human that - for some reason - many premies tend to deny, or at least attempt to avoid. However, to call this place a 'hate-site', as some premies do, is far from true. The correlation between the 'warning' sign and (for example) the ravine, was merely to put the idea across of there being no particular need for ANY kind of emotional 'party-line' toward the Maha, and that our posts here are primarily (and hopefully most effectively) simply a warning to others who might be tempted to 'surrender the reins of their life' to the Maha. The process of recovering from cult involvement can be likened to climbing up that steep incline and getting back on the road again. And once you've done that, the least you can do is warn other road travellers of the dangers ahead. Clearer, I hope? (and how does a sign feel? ... useful, perhaps?)

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:26:21 (GMT) From: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: A premie Subject: A good use of your time? Message:

Anger Triggers Harmful Chemical It's already known that angry people are at a higher risk for heart disease, but a new study attempts to explain why. Researchers at Ohio State University in Columbus say angry people have higher levels of a chemical called homocysteine, which has proved harmful to the heart. The new study is based on 33 women and 31 men, all healthy and not taking medications. They were questioned about their levels of hostility and anger, and samples of their blood were examined. Those who reported more feelings of anger and hostility tested positive for higher homocysteine levels, researchers report in the April 28 issue of Life Sciences. Researchers found that participants who held in their anger had high homocysteine levels, too. Men had higher homoecysteine levels than women overall, and men also were more likely to bottle up their anger. 'These were healthy people with no known cardiovascular disease or major risk factors ... ,' says study co-author Catherine Stoney. 'One potential picture emerging from the current data is that men, particularly high-hostile men, have a ... nervous system that is always turned on, resulting in higher homocysteine levels.' Homocysteine can damage the walls of arteries, which can contribute to the buildup of plaque, the fat that clogs arteries. --By Katrina Woznicki

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 13:37:08 (GMT) From: A premie Email: None To: premie Subject: premie is not 'A premie' BTW --nt Message:

Hi

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 07:05:44 (GMT) From: JohnT Email: None To: premie Subject: A good use of your time? Message:

Actually, it is you 'devotees' and 'premies' who are as bad as racists, looking down on others and feeling special and apart from them. That's the real spiritual sickness you buy into and spread. Alternatively... ...there are a lot better causes that you could be putting your time into, for example, human rights, conservation of natural resources, wildlife protection, global warming, gun control, wildlife protection, air pollution control, racial unity, or become a mentor to a child in need. Any of these things would be a better use of your time.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:43:25 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: premie Subject: I love the smell of napalm in the morning! Message:

Racist? Now that hurts. But I have to tell you this isn't the first time. I play in a band and we have this one undevotional song (just one) called 'Bollywood'. It's like a punk bossa nova, light verse, heavy chorus, with lyrics like 'My guru came from Bollywood / And he won't go back / He must have done something right / 'Cause it looks like he's so fat'. Stuff like that. Anyway, one night we were playing in this bar and I introduced that song with a little explanation, mentioning the cult I used to be in. I'd actually had a few drinks and, much to my later embarassment, I actually said something about how I wasn't even supposed to touch my dick during the almost eight years I spent in the ashram. So I'm introducing the song and I mention that it's about this 'fat little Indian fuck', meaning Maharaji of course. Now, you know, I'm not the least bit racist against Indians. Not at all. And I'm not against fat per se either. As I've bitched before, I've put on a few pounds of my own over the last year or two. But wouldn't you know it that the band we were playing with, the one fronted by the little pc raver chick, got all exercised over my comment, called us racists and cancelled their next gig with us (weenies!). God did that hurt! So I don't know why I'm going on like this. Do you? Maybe it's just to assure you that ex-premies aren't racist. Honestly. You have my word on it. Get it? Word? Funny, eh?

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 02:25:45 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: premie Subject: So go off and Practice then! Message:

BTW, do I notice a name change? Or is this 'A premie' who has been 'lurking' of late?

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 08:14:26 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Oliver Subject: Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... Message:

This ones in the usual premie condescension mode. Unless it's just a personality switch due to the frustration of not being able to reach us with the ol' bullshit. I feel sorry for you guys........Away with you !!!!! Don't feel sorry for us, feel sorry for yourself and other weak and weary wimps who get suckered in to the tellytubby trip!!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:18:21 (GMT) From: A premie Email: None To: Hal Subject: Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... Message:

Hey Hal - I JUST finished posting you on that other 'Observer' thread issue when it went to inactive so didn't post at all. So what I said was: I agreed with you. Follow your own heart and the world would be a better place. Anytime someone like Observer suggests you look in the mirror or something I think now of Helen or Raina's statement regarding - any unsolicited advice is hostile - no matter how subtle. This was just to let you know not ALL premies are robots. Again, whatever floats your boat. I find the Observer as obnoxious as the next ex that pushes stuff done your throat,BTW. I, for one, commend you on knowing your heart and then following it. It's actually obvious your in touch with it due to your thoughtful posts. For me you have my respect more as an ex than a premie like Observer. Not trying to start a war here. And if you think I should use a name so not to confuse - advise me. I'm soliciting it.:) A premie

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 09:31:44 (GMT) From: Jethro Email: None To: A premie Subject: Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... Message:

A premie said 'Not trying to start a war here. And if you think I should use a name so not to confuse - advise me. I'm soliciting it.:)' Why not just use your own name. Basic honesty is a good start.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:35:43 (GMT) From: A premie Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... Message:

Jethro - you're a new one to me,hello. If you have read any threads here w/ me in it - there's one w/ Jim where he asks basically the same thing. I said and still feel it - to my friends (premies or exes),yes. On an international Forum,no. For me it's a non-issue.((I think it's the thread above where Jim says he wouldn't want to be me - a good read,btw.) Sorry. And I'm being as honest as I can. You know posting w/ the name' a premie' isn't all that easy. If I want to just comment on something innocuous I get flak or no one seems to care because I'm a dreaded premie. And whenever I post now I'll ease into Elaine B. With plenty of warning that I was 'A premie'. Nice to 'meet' ya, Elaine B.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 10:56:56 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: Hal Subject: Doesn't sound like the same premie as above....... Message:

It's impossible to tell actually. I'm starting to think that there could be just one premie on the forum at any one time. He/she can then give themselves as many personas, personalities and ways of writing as they wish. Some kind of weird game of musical chairs. Oliver

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 08:17:13 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Hal Subject: Correction: As A premie below NT Message:

ommmm

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 15:23:51 (GMT) From: Blood Email: None To: CQ Subject: Truth be known link didn't work.... please repost Message:

I'd like to read the page please repost the link

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 15:45:41 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Blood Subject: Truth be known link didn't work.... please repost Message:

Let's try ... one more time: http://www.truthbeknown.com./ (say hello to Bob Dobbs for me!)

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Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 16:27:44 (GMT) From: Blood Boils Email: None To: cq Subject: thanx cq...worked that time (nt) Message:

no text

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