Forum V: Archive
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Angry -:- Standard form letter to cult venues -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:51:10 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- Standard form letter to cult venues -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:30:04 (GMT)
__ jondon -:- What Hotel? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 19:25:44 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- Boston Venue is Copley Theatre -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:16:19 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- Standard form letter to cult venues -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 18:57:31 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- Much better than mine..John T -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:12:53 (GMT)
__ Analytical -:- Why not just call yourself Stupid -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:40:34 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Why *you* don't need to call yourself Stupid -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 18:43:01 (GMT)

Angry -:- I have my seat at next cult event and..... -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:04:28 (GMT)
__ Suggestion -:- I have my seat at next cult event and..... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:50:51 (GMT)
__ jondon -:- I have my seat at next cult event and..... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:58:42 (GMT)
__ Anarchist -:- I have my seat at next cult event and..... -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:34:27 (GMT)
__ __ retired JDL member -:- re: Stink bombs -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:08:15 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- Where might I purchase these?(nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:39:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ retired JDL member -:- Try any joke shop(nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:10:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Angry -:- Try any joke shop(nt)/Thanks -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:49:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ jondon -:- Have fun with it -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 19:23:35 (GMT)

Passing Through -:- A little humour... -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:01:11 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- It's not funny to me anymore. -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:46:15 (GMT)
__ __ peter cottantail -:- maybe u should get more stonor. stonor -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:55:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Write (nt)!! Peter CottOntail -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:46:05 (GMT)

just breathing -:- my darlings, my babies -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:17:37 (GMT)
__ zelda -:- my darlings,my babies still cry, mommy dearest nt -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:27:26 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Excellent punchline/absolutely no sarcasm! (nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:37:13 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Excuse me but . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:56:47 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Excuse me but . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 05:29:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Excuse me but . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 18:43:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- I appreciate that :))) nt -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 21:38:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Excuse me but . . . Hunh? What do you mean? (nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 05:45:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- :))))) (nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:05:35 (GMT)
__ __ (Sir) David -:- Excuse me but . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:09:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mili -:- Excuse me but . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:50:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Excuse me, Mili, but . . . you are the one -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:50:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Excuse me, Mili, but . . . you are the one -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:28:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ (Sir) David -:- You're acting like a ass Mili -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 19:00:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ (Sir David) -:- And furthermore, a bad example of the cult -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:32:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ she always did -:- have a crush on ya dave -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:36:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Who the fuck are you talking about . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:46:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- So fast a response from Forum God! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:27:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir David (Forum God) -:- So fast a response from Forum God! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:03:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Been there, done that . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:58:41 (GMT)

peter cottantail -:- can u believe it? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:12:08 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Here comes 'PC' Hopping down the bunny trail . . . -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 05:50:56 (GMT)
__ __ peter cottantail -:- Here comes 'PC' -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:51:35 (GMT)

Lotus eater -:- Posting response -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:19:26 (GMT)
__ SB -:- One more thing -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:41:50 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Too funny! NT -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:18:12 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Do you live in VictoriaBC?- film reference (nt/ot) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:09:02 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Posting response -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:08:57 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- see Robyn? when you get mad at me when I didn't -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:50:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Point taken! :) (nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:21:30 (GMT)

Nigel -:- Maharaji is SO lucky we left! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:48:25 (GMT)
__ VP -:- Maharaji is SO lucky we left! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:47:19 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Maharaji is SO lucky we left! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:19:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ VP -:- Cults are like butt golf -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 02:33:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Butt golf, heh? -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 14:05:11 (GMT)
__ Loaf -:- Ex-Premie Training -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:22:34 (GMT)
__ Elaine B. -:- Maharaji is SO lucky we left! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 21:32:31 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Maharaji is SO lucky we left! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:31:21 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- You better think again! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:49:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ Hal -:- You better think again! -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 11:00:42 (GMT)
__ __ Mili -:- Maharaji is SO lucky we left! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:06:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Hal -:- Mili , Is knowledge so great? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:16:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mili -:- Mili , Is knowledge so great? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:56:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Mili , Is knowledge so great? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:29:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Ya know... -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:23:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- I was never at war! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:59:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mili -:- Ya know... -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:59:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Would you share.... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 13:44:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Hi Mili -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:27:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Ya know... -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:19:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- Ya know... -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:45:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Ya know... -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:34:55 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- and recreated the whole experience here! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 19:06:05 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- and recreated the whole experience here! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:08:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- randomly -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:40:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- randomly -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 07:21:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I bothered to read on!! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 07:51:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- yes exactly...there's something sacred about peop -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:17:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- one word yeah I hear you! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 22:53:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- With ya on that one but what about the spammers? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:08:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- spamming is in the eye of the beholder :) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 23:12:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- spamming is annoying as hell -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:36:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I'd be subjective as hell (er)..... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:36:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Old as the hills and twice as moldy -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 16:10:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I hear you! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 16:47:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- With ya on that one but what about the spammers? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:27:17 (GMT)

raina -:- FA?You've Double posted1 thread n REMOVED my last? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:16:03 (GMT)
__ R.D. Laing -:- Re-read The FA's Msg--They Were Errors -Jeezus nt -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:30:52 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- I posted at the same TIME! JEEZUS! asshole -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:39:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ R.D.Laing -:- My Apologies, Little Ms. Paranoid Victim nt -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:43:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- Yes I thought I'd be a paranoid stand-in 4 Preemie -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:52:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ R.D. Laing -:- Spare Me -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 19:03:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- WHAT HAS REALLY HAPPENED HERE -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 23:30:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Evelyn Wood -:- Cantcha Read? FAs Deleted Other Posts In Error nt -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:04:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Is this response to the subject line or ENTIRE -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:20:33 (GMT)
__ Forum Administrator -:- FA?You've Double posted1 thread n REMOVED my last? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:28:48 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- a software glitch? or a your wrong move glitch? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:48:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Oliver -:- probably the ILOVEYOURAINA virus (nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:59:36 (GMT)

Forum Administrator -:- Disappearing posts -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:14:31 (GMT)
__ Brian -:- Disappearing posts -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:39:02 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- You REALLY don't see my point? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 23:47:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Brian -:- You REALLY don't see my point? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:55:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- short and sweet -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:55:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Love ya Raina - LOL -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:48:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- Unasked for advice's a sign of hostilty -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 07:36:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Katie's controversial birthday -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:18:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- in group feeling -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:01:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- I, I, I, think my my my phone's tapped!! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:43:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ selene -:- 25 years? you think i'll live that long? -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:53:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Flowers on your gravesite babe! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:18:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Katie's controversial birthday -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 17:47:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- OH MY GOD! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:39:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- NOT a big deal! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:55:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Walking on broken glass! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:16:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- feels like I'm walking on broken glass... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:52:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monmot -:- feels like I'm walking on broken glass... -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:15:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- I didn't know! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:17:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Thanks. nt -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:04:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Over-generalization IMO -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:18:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Don't you hate when people give you advice when -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:40:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Don't you hate when people ASSUME? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:54:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Now I WILL apologize....but i was only trying to m -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:56:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Don't you hate some things people imply? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 16:08:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Stonor-I really didn't know how serious this was 4 -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 21:04:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ R.D. Laing -:- Don't you hate when people ASSUME? -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 15:09:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Exactly How Void Are you? Do you ever tell people -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 21:14:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- GGGGGRRRRRRRROOOWWWWWWLLLLL -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 03:11:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Ever consider getting a rabies shot? -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 11:17:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 03:35:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Ya I say Stonor should be in charge of determining -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:06:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Ya I say Stonor should be in charge of determining -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:05:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Stonor has been butting itself in for days now.... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:19:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Stonor has been butting itself in for days now.... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:39:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Her malice is what gets me -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:03:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Raina: What is it with you??? -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:55:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Her malice is what gets me -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:29:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Look who is talking -:- You are the Main Clown here....nt -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:56:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- New Life -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:59:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Somebody there???? -:- New Life? Off the wagon....nt -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:58:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- New Life -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:32:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Raina Terror.. -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:36:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- It's like being yelled at by a cartoon baby with a -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:27:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Raina: What heppened to you? -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 17:02:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I can't speak for raina -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:41:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- So, the, what did I do... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:30:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- SB hi I am such an addict -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:59:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- congratulations! you've all gotten your wish I'm B -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:01:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- RAINA's IQ??? 0 -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 10:08:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- that was NEvER my wish and you know it!! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:48:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Raina, you are NOT blocked! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:12:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- 'She' began to talk about... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 23:53:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- you too SB did you do anything or is that son of -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:51:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- 'She' began to talk about... -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:11:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ St. Raina -:- Thanx Selene! But it's like talking to walls here! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:08:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Listen Brains, not -:- You better cool it!! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:00:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- well talk about yuck it's mother's day so... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:13:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- been there, done that... -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 00:27:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- thank god we/I haven't passed on the traditions -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 04:56:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- well talk about yuck it's mother's day so... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 22:57:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Forum Adminstrator: Please Take Note -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:58:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Forum Adminstrator: Please Take Note -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 12:49:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- To All -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 13:57:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- I agree,, way too unconscious Raina !!! nt -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:36:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ R.D. Laing -:- Woof! Raina, Sorry But U Give Nasty New Meaning nt -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 00:42:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:21:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Turn that around -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:44:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- I shouldn't bother to respond to this trap.... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:21:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 08:46:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:04:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 17:00:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Stonor's Fingering Me! -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:50:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Raina: No comment....YOU ARE THE WALL... -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:05:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- too funny-you have to repeat MY words to insult me -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:45:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- defending SB -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 00:10:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Watch it because -:- There is a forum administrador.....nt -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:55:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- USE YOUR NAME NOW SB! U KNOW THE RULES! -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:14:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ R.D. Laing -:- I Certainly Don't Hear As Many Voices As You Do, -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:51:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Two People Talking -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:39:10 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Thank you Brian! (and hey Raina!) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 21:25:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- Stonors determined to get me over to AG since b4 t -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:35:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- you are welcome over there -selene paranoid rant -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 22:21:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- I think I'm just gonna do a sunset ending...... -:- Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:20:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- Even tho Brian is obviously capable and objective -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:03:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Forum Adminstrator -:- Even tho Brian is obviously capable and objective -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:59:57 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- Hey,raina and I made-up,right raina? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:16:46 (GMT)
__ __ Elaine -:- Oh, the posts reappeared, you were all at work( nt -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 21:56:14 (GMT)
__ raina -:- You have to be fucking kidding! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:30:50 (GMT)
__ __ Forum Administrator -:- You have to be fucking kidding! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:43:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- Unbelievable! SAVE TIME you say!? Idi Amin!!!! -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:59:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Unbelievable! SAVE TIME you say!? Idi Amin!!!! -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:21:31 (GMT)


Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:51:10 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Standard form letter to cult venues
Message:
To whom it should concern,

In 1978, there was a mass suicide by members of the People's Temple in Jonestown. At the same time, another cult was meeting in Kissimmee, Fl. This cult had a leader who allowed his followers to kiss his feet and give him money while dressed in an outfit similar to the hindu Lord Krishna.

This cult leader is coming to your hotel. The current organizational name they are probably using is Elan Vital. The speaker's name is Prem Pal singh Rawat who is currently dba as Maharaji. You may remember him from the past as he used to dba as Guru Maharaj Ji.

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This is just a rough draft and I'll continue it later but composing it has made me Angry!!

Suggestions are welcome!

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:30:04 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Standard form letter to cult venues
Message:
Angry,

Whilst I support your objectives and motives, I have to suggest that you may be backing a loser with this one. I am extremely familiar with the hotel/convention industry and know that such a letter would, at best, find it's way into the shredder or at worst, into the hotel's legal department.

Firstly, if you intend to go ahead with this, you should address it to the 'Convention Services Manager', at least then it will reach the intended recipient. Second, rather than take the moral high ground, you might be better suggesting they poll around other venues and see how good they were at paying their bills. I know a lot of venues & vendors (in the past, at least) got pretty badly burned when it came time to pony up, and it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a list of suggestions. Most CSMs I know could give a crap about the activities of the group in the ballroom, so long as their credit is good and they don't leave a mess.

A far better approach, if you wish to win sympathy to the cause, would be to write to the local union branch secretaries of convention facilities around the country (call the venue for a list of unions represented there - sometimes 6 or 7 each place). They do at least have the power to boycott events if you manage to convince them, and well, no union, no show, I'm afraid.

Good luck,

Rob

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 19:25:44 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: What Hotel?
Message:
I'll try to get one of my roomies premie friends to let me know where he is staying. I'll be covering the airport outside of Boston to try and photo their arrival. I love this espionage shit.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:16:19 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Boston Venue is Copley Theatre
Message:
The address is 224 Clarendon St.....I'm assuming this is off Copley Square.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 18:57:31 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Standard form letter to cult venues
Message:
To whom it should concern,


A cult has booked your hotel. It is led by a false god name of Prem Pal Rawat. His style is to encourage unthinking and uncritical devotion from his followers, featuring the mass kissing of his feet accompanied by publicly giving him money. Sometimes he does this dressed in an outfit similar to the Hindu Lord Krishna. He claims (inter alia) to be the second coming of Christ, the one Messiah, and 'Greater by Far than God'


He is a fraud who has grown obscenely rich by ruining many people.

The current organizational name they are probably using is Elan Vital, and Mr Rawat carries out his fraudulant preaching under the name of Maharaji.

Please don't help this scam by making your facilities available to them.

More information is available from http://whatever

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:12:53 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Much better than mine..John T
Message:
The reason I opened with the Jim Jones stuff was solely as an attention grabber. The hotels(venues)could care less if a group of people are being fucked up by a guru. They just want $$$. If the idea could be planted of potential disaster and, therefore bad P.R. for them, they might think otherwise.

Your style is much clearer and concise than mine. I used to write quite well but I think I'm brain damaged from many years in the cult.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:40:34 (GMT)
From: Analytical
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Why not just call yourself Stupid
Message:
Wake me up , are you dreamin? Like Duh ....there's a real connection? The Dolphins were playing the Orange Bowl as well , are you going to fill the same people in on how we might all play Gridiron as well? God there are some sad fucks here!
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 18:43:01 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Analytical
Subject: Why *you* don't need to call yourself Stupid
Message:
The point of your analysis is:
1) to be helpful and constructive in devising ways to expose and derail the dishonest activities of the man formerly known as Prem Pal Rawat?

2) the contrary of the above?


I think we should be told.


FWIW, I think it is a Good Idea to expose Mr Rawat's mean and dishonest 'ministry'. Because it is mean and dishonest. But yes, one needs to stick to the point.

J'ACCUSE.
You analyse?
You joke.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:04:28 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I have my seat at next cult event and.....
Message:
I've got a few plans. For instance,I'll have my magic marker to write www.ex-premie.org on men's room mirror. I never liked it when the female cult members decided they could use the men's room too. Is there no sanctuary???

I'd like to hire a man to show up dressed in a skunk costume with a song to sing to Rawat. But of course, security being as tight as it is, it will not be possible. Or will it???

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:50:51 (GMT)
From: Suggestion
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: I have my seat at next cult event and.....
Message:
Instead of writing on walls, you might just print off several copies of the first page of this website which includes on one page two nice pictures of the Lord of the Universe, URL of the website, and a dose of anti-satsang. Keep these copies hidden inside your shirt as you enter, and then discretely leave them here and there for premies to discover, to their horror! For example, in the stalls. You might also try to find your way into the screening booth and substitute a copy of 'Lord of the Universe' for the new Knowledge review tape that they are showing. If all else fails, you might just try rushing the stage, grabbing the microphone and screaming several anti-Maharaji sentiments before they drag you away.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 02:58:42 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: I have my seat at next cult event and.....
Message:
I think the magic marker in the bathroom is great. But a better place would be about 5'8' off the floor above the urinals (eye level) and 3 1/2' above the floor on the back of the shitter door (eye level). If you can get some one to do it in the womens room, even better. Anyone that still questions this guy may stop by and ask questions, or better yet have some answered.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:34:27 (GMT)
From: Anarchist
Email: anarchyinthe UK
To: Angry
Subject: I have my seat at next cult event and.....
Message:
How about taking in a few stink bombs with you. These are tiny things, the size of a finger nail but boy, do they create a stink!

Rawat will think someone has done a big fart.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:08:15 (GMT)
From: retired JDL member
Email: None
To: Anarchist
Subject: re: Stink bombs
Message:
I planted 8 stink bombs in a shop selling Nazi regalia in the Esat End of London(Carnaby Street). It was extremely effective and I enjoyed watching the (3-stor shop empty out.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:39:05 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Anarchist
Subject: Where might I purchase these?(nt)
Message:
skunk
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:10:02 (GMT)
From: retired JDL member
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Try any joke shop(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:49:21 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: retired JDL member
Subject: Try any joke shop(nt)/Thanks
Message:
My fingers are walking thru the yellow pages today!!
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 19:23:35 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Have fun with it
Message:
Be sure to mention to the folks around you, if they can snap out of their blissful trance, that 'Geez, M sounds a little off today, doesn't he? Saying the same stuff he said a few years ago, I was really hoping for something new.' That kinda stuff, get into their heads a bit. I like the magic marker bit. Let 'em know that there is another place (ex-premie.com) to have any questions they may have, answered.

Wish I could go, but my roomie wouldn't dare let me. I'm not ready for K yet. One day, when I can stand up and ask for it with tears in my eyes, maybe I'll be ready then.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:01:11 (GMT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: A little humour...
Message:
'Winterize your lawn,' the big sign outside the garden
store commanded. I've fed it, watered it, mowed it,
raked it and watched a lot of it die anyway. Now I'm
supposed to winterize it? I hope it's too late. Grass
lawns have to be the stupidest thing we've come up
with outside of thong swimsuits! We constantly battle
dandelions, Queen Anne's lace, thistle, violets,
chicory and clover that thrive naturally, so we can
grow grass that must be nursed through an annual
four-step chemical dependency.

Imagine the conversation The Creator might have with
St. Francis about this:

'Frank, you know all about gardens and nature. What in
the world is going on down there in the Midwest? What
happened to the dandelions, violets, thistle and stuff
I started eons ago? I had a perfect, no-maintenance
garden plan. Those plants grow in any type of soil,
withstand drought and multiply with abandon. The
nectar from the long-lasting blossoms attracted
butterflies, honey bees and flocks of songbirds. I
expected to see a vast garden of colors by now. But
all I see are these green rectangles.'

'It's the tribes that settled there, Lord. The
Suburbanites. They started calling your flowers
'weeds' and went to great extent to kill them and
replace them with grass.'

'Grass? But it's so boring. It's not colorful. It
doesn't attract butterflies, birds and bees, only
grubs and sod worms. It's temperamental with
temperatures. Do these Suburbanites really want all
that grass growing there?'

'Apparently so, Lord. They go to great pains to grow
it and keep it green. They begin each spring by
fertilizing grass and poisoning any other plant that
crops up in the lawn.'

'The spring rains and cool weather probably make grass
grow really fast. That must make the Suburbanites
happy.'

'Apparently not, Lord. As soon as it grows a little,
they cut it - sometimes twice a week.'

'They cut it? Do they then bale it like hay?'

'Not exactly, Lord. Most of them rake it up and put it
in bags.'

'They bag it? Why? Is it a cash crop? Do they sell
it?'

'No, sir. Just the opposite. They pay to throw it
away.'

'Now let me get this straight. They fertilize grass so
it will grow. And when it does grow, they cut it off
and pay to throw it away?'

'Yes, sir.'

'These Suburbanites must be relieved in the summer
when we cut back on the rain and turn up the heat.
That surely slows the growth and saves them a lot of
work.'

'You aren't going believe this Lord. When the grass
stops growing so fast, they drag out hoses and pay
more money to water it so they can continue to mow it
and pay to get rid of it.'

'What nonsense! At least they kept some of the trees.
That was a sheer stroke of genius, if I do say so
myself. The trees grow leaves in the spring to provide
beauty and shade in the summer. In the autumn they
fall to the ground and form a natural blanket to keep
moisture in the soil and protect the trees and bushes.
Plus, as they rot, the leaves form compost to enhance
the soil. It's a natural circle of life.'

'You better sit down, Lord. The Suburbanites have
drawn a new circle. As soon as the leaves fall, they
rake them into great piles and have them hauled away.'

'No! What do they do to protect the shrub and tree
roots in the winter and keep the soil moist and
loose?'

'After throwing away your leaves, they go out and buy
something they call mulch. They haul it home and
spread it around in place of the leaves.'

'And where do they get this mulch?'

'They cut down trees and grind them up.'

'Enough! I don't want to think about this anymore.
Saint Catherine, you're in charge of the arts. What
movie have you scheduled for us tonight?'

'Dumb and Dumber, Lord. It's a real stupid movie
about...'

'Never mind I think I just heard the whole story.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:46:15 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: It's not funny to me anymore.
Message:
Humour, and whose reality?

I've 'stolen' bags of leaves put out as garbage from anyone living within a 'block' up or down, cross or sideways from me last year with my own two arms (years before I had help with cars . . . ) - great for building muscles.

My neighbours ask me what I am doing with the piles of leaves I am composting and why I dig up more of my lawn each year. And each year, my garden grows. One old man who was very upset sith the process changed his mind last year from feeling like he wouldn't live to see what would be in my garden next year, to looking forward to seeing my garden's growth next year - it was his wife who underlinedt his change in attitude and he admitted it. Since I have lived in Peru, and found a source of joy , beyond systemic poverty, I have wondered why North American front and back yards are so barren. There is a cultural/inculcated reason for this, so I do not judge but try to open hearts and minds through example. I do not think that all culture is 'negative' at all.

Let me tell you of the magic of seenig 6 to 10 inch long earth worms/night crawlers covering a garden after a heavy rain like fllen sticks.

What are you doing to improve our 3D+ reality, Passing Through? Are you just judging and moving on? To where?

Despite my apparent 'bitchiness, 'are you yourself into organic gardening? I enjoyed your post because this is apotentially fertile vein of thought. Remember that saying, 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.'

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:55:36 (GMT)
From: peter cottantail
Email: None
To: yo
Subject: maybe u should get more stonor. stonor
Message:
jsca
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:46:05 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: peter cottantail
Subject: Write (nt)!! Peter CottOntail
Message:
Yeah, that might work sometimes (if you're a premie or something), but the mess we're in collectively isn't funny, no matter how stoned I get. And my name has nothing to do with that BTW.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:17:37 (GMT)
From: just breathing
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: my darlings, my babies
Message:
Relax! Oh, I have been and searched and thought and obsessed and prayed and angsted, and WOW.....it feels so good to have moved BEYOND IT! I love you all for wherever you are. Who the hell does anyone think they are to judge or criticize or waste time!! Yes,
time.It is so great and there is only so much left. LIVE IT!!
Sitting here. It's a beautiful night. a friend showed me this sight, and I'm saying, oh god, please, please let go and move beyond it!! It feels so great. 'IT' is the time that you are wasting. Go breathe. Touch someone. Experience God in you. God certainly isn't going to fast-lane it into your life while you're masturbating on THIS sight.Isn't it just so freeing and beautiful to release and let it go!

Oh, I have so much time in my life now to love and feel and grow and breathe since I quit doing what you all are doing. Whoops, I guess I still do do some of what you guys do. Well, you mean we really are all human and capable of whatever. OK! I love that.
Yes, that's what I love. That I am FREE. Free of living everyone elses lives! Whew! Free to fuck up, not fuck up,dont' you get it.
Just find a best friend who will really care about where you're at. That's the best.Yeah, we're just us. It's OK!

Just breathing

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:27:26 (GMT)
From: zelda
Email: None
To: just breathing
Subject: my darlings,my babies still cry, mommy dearest nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:37:13 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: zelda
Subject: Excellent punchline/absolutely no sarcasm! (nt)
Message:
BIG HUGS!

From Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:56:47 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: just breathing
Subject: Excuse me but . . .
Message:
Happy to know you are breathing, and angst is a German noun that cannot be conjugated that way into English.

And how do you live life beyond your personal self-satisfaction? (so clearly evident in your post that one would like to know the source of your joyous indifference to those without the same 'knowledgeable' bliss?)

We are also sharing the same choice - 'to fuck up or not fuck up' - please share with us apparent (to you, Oh Source of Divine Inspiration) ignoramuses the difference between the two.

And what did you 'quit' (that we are all doing)?

Stonor

PS: I know I'm not speaking to the Forum God of AG. And the fact that you used the word 'obsessed' should tell you that you have some kind of imbalance problem.

And I LOVE YOU TOO!

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 05:29:05 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Excuse me but . . .
Message:
... are you being rude to him/her? Should you apologise now?

hahahaha....:)))

Fine Stonor... be that way!

SB

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 18:43:10 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Excuse me but . . .
Message:
I am who I am SB, and just breathing has not indicated that s/he feels 'hurt' by what I've said. I don't think you can compare jb's post to ANY of Elaine's. I'd take my cheap-shots in a better context. I never said I was perfect, or even close, and no one knows that better than me, except 'whatever-it-is' and maybe a few others.

I bite my tongue on adding anything else :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 21:38:27 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: I appreciate that :))) nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 05:45:58 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Excuse me but . . . Hunh? What do you mean? (nt)
Message:
Excuse me but . . . Hunh? What do you mean? (nt) I'm not big on games.

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:05:35 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: :))))) (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:09:30 (GMT)
From: (Sir) David
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: Stonor
Subject: Excuse me but . . .
Message:
That's right Stonor, you're not speaking to me, the Forum God of the AG kingdom. I am not 'Just Breathing' but it is a little worrying that you identified their sentiments with me. Well not that worrying really.

No, I was actually thinking of doing some more Maharaji bashing. Maharaji is a parasite. He's got it coming to him.

There's plenty he's got to be afraid of - like several thousand people who he conned into believing he was the Lord. They're after his blood and they will get it.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:50:09 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: (Sir) David
Subject: Excuse me but . . .
Message:
Nah. Just one lonely person in a wheelchair trying to attract some attention to himself by raising a hullaballoo on the Internet, is more like it.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:50:09 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Excuse me, Mili, but . . . you are the one
Message:
Excuse me, Mili, but . . . you are the one who is handicapped.

'One thing you can't hide,

(sing it!!!)

Is when you're crippled insiiide!!!'

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:28:47 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: Excuse me, Mili, but . . . you are the one
Message:
My, my - we really are getting personal now, aren't we Stonor?

You're such a joke.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 19:00:50 (GMT)
From: (Sir) David
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: Mili
Subject: You're acting like a ass Mili
Message:
First you make personal insults against me and then you take umbridge when Stonor gets a little bit personal with you.

If I didn't know better I'd say you were illustrating distinct emotional immaturity. But then that would be getting personal, so I'd better not say it.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:32:00 (GMT)
From: (Sir David)
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: Mili
Subject: And furthermore, a bad example of the cult
Message:
When I was a child, I was told that it was beneath contempt to mock people who were worse off than myself. I soon realised how right this advice was. I was about seven years old at the time.

You are supposedly a grown man; an adult; and yet you show what you are really like by your comments and general attitude. Of course, your comments aren't even true. I am not wheelchair bound, for instance.

This proves my theory, that those who have continued to follow Maharaji are not emotionally mature. They can't be to write the sort of things here which they do every week. There are very few examples of cult followers (premies) writing sensible and humane things here.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:36:00 (GMT)
From: she always did
Email: None
To: (Sir) David
Subject: have a crush on ya dave
Message:
lucky you
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:46:32 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: she always did
Subject: Who the fuck are you talking about . . .
Message:
and do I know you? No one here 'knows me' very well. My guess is that this is a weird third (fourth, fifth, sixth, etc.) party interjection. Let's ignore it, AG Forum God. (BTW, plese tell me how to properly practice my devotion to you, Oh Forum God.

Always willing to learn,

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:27:14 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: (Sir) David
Subject: So fast a response from Forum God!
Message:
SO Omniscient you ARE, it's spooky!

Oh great AG Forum God, I did not EVER identify his sentimenents with you , but that he tried to usurp your Perfection of Divine Understranding is what I attempted in my full humility of ignorance to address.

Your patheticically humble non-entity of existence acknowledges your supreme judgement without concsiousness of my own existence beyond yours.

Hugs,

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:03:15 (GMT)
From: Sir David (Forum God)
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: Stonor
Subject: So fast a response from Forum God!
Message:
Your sins will be absolved. Just say three 'Hail Cherie Blairs', wash your mouth out with soap and water, whip your naked body with a bunch of stinging nettles and that'll be fine.

Alternatively, if you don't fancy that, You may clear all undoings by clicking in here.

I think you must know more about me than you're letting on. What's this about my 'Divine understranding'? How did you know I wore divine underpants?

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:58:41 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Sir David (Forum God)
Subject: Been there, done that . . .
Message:
Been there, done that . . . want to do more. It doesn't help my guilt feelings much.

'orgOnisations'?

Fix THAT 'typo' Forum God! (or was that a Reichian slip?)

Hugs,

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:12:08 (GMT)
From: peter cottantail
Email: None
To: no one
Subject: can u believe it?
Message:
the lakers aren't on tv..and there losing
ex-knick fan
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 05:50:56 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: peter cottantail
Subject: Here comes 'PC' Hopping down the bunny trail . . .
Message:
Here comes 'PC' Hopping down the bunny trail . . . to what end . . . just fluff, that takes time out of my life, or do you have anything real to say?

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:51:35 (GMT)
From: peter cottantail
Email: None
To: Stone
Subject: Here comes 'PC'
Message:
laker win..
knicks lose..
ex knick fan..drives a volvo..there.something ex-real.ex-lova
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:19:26 (GMT)
From: Lotus eater
Email: None
To: SB and others
Subject: Posting response
Message:
I would like to comment on the response I received to my last posting:
SB I really did want to say thanks, I found your posting surprising and scary.
Robyn That was very nasty, point taken, however. Now here’s one of mine, you give the impression of being angry with men in general and you were way off the mark with me, whatever my gender.
Lier ???!!!??? what do you know?
Hal If you mean by ‘fake’ am I deliberately misrepresenting myself, no.
Loaf Thanks for the friendly humour.

It seems to me that the question of what do you think of Prempal Rawat, aka Maharaji, what precisely is the nature of your relationship with him, is one that premies dodge. I am finding it interesting and helpful to talk about it, I do not wish to ignore other peoples' experience and understanding. After the last time I saw him, the next morning I came to the conclusion that maybe he is the Living Master, fucking with my mind and saving my soul, however he can do it on his own time, not mine...we laughed and laughed...however it doesn't really get to the point, does it! Lotus Eater

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:41:50 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Lotus eater
Subject: One more thing
Message:
Conviniently, for you, your post where you called us, exes motherfuckers were deleted and now mine stands there by itself...hahahha...too funny!

Your post is gone and I'm there...
Lotus, you suck!

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:18:12 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Lotus eater
Subject: Too funny! NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:09:02 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Lotus eater
Subject: Do you live in VictoriaBC?- film reference (nt/ot)
Message:
Do you live in Victoria? movie reference? (nt/ot)
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:08:57 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Lotus eater
Subject: Posting response
Message:
Dear Lotus,
Wow! I didn't know what you were talking about here so I went and found the thread, re-read your's and mine. You were talking about farting, right? I don't understand what was nasty or what point was taken.
I thought I was retelling a humorus story from my premie days! And when I slapped Albert it was just playfully on his upper arm. No, I don't think I hate men at all. I have been been the victim of violent crimes purpetrated by men so I am maybe leary but I certainly don't hate men.
Sorry you got the wrong impression. I have nothing against you. I guess I thought you were a man because women usually don't talk about farting!
Robyn
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:50:17 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: see Robyn? when you get mad at me when I didn't
Message:
mean to make you mad...
it's sometimes the foibles of electronic commuications, and not meant that way :)

selene the terrorist... a gerry wannabe

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:21:30 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Point taken! :) (nt)
Message:
bfadh
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:48:25 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: Maharaji is SO lucky we left!
Message:
Seriously. Think of the alternative…

There we all were, each at our own time and place, arriving at this tipping point where the whole trip no longer held together. For whatever reason we now found Maharaji to be unnecessary in our lives so we did the sensible and decent thing and, for the most part, just drifted away quietly. But supposing we hadn't..?

Suppose we had hung on in there out of habit, or because we enjoyed the company, or because it made a change from watching the telly, or for the hell of it... Just turning up on the odd night to 'share' our new-found perspectives. At the end of a video showing we might smile broadly and say: 'Thank God that's over! M was really boring tonight, don't you think? He seems to be having a run of bad form at the moment… Can't undestand a word of it half the time… Does he REALLY believe in reincarnation?' No heckling or bad behaviour. Just honest observations and straight questions that might spread alarm among the faithful.

We could decline all participation and financial donations. Our 'propagation' might take the form of telling friends: 'Yeah, I go along sometimes. Totally unnecessary, you know. You never learn anything new - you just hear M going on and on about how important HE is… Tell you what, you might as well get the techniques off the internet if you want to know what the so-called secret is. Yeah, come along if you feel like it, but don't expect too much…'

What would EV do about you? Try to ban you from events? Hmm…

Somebody (AWJ?) recently compared 70's membership with M's following today and calculated that 90% of people who ever received Knowledge no longer practised. Maybe a lot of these left with no hard feelings - they might have intended to return one day, or whatever. But let's say, at a conservative estimate that half of those who quit actually rejected the trip outright - or at least the so-called importance of Maharaji. Or say just 40%...

Suppose all of these had stuck around, attending premie events with an ex-premie mindset. They would now outnumber the dedicated few by four to one..! Can a cult really ban four-fifths of its membership from meetings without looking like… er, a cult? Bad, bad press.

But if they weren't banned, the whole thing would surely deteriorate and crumble pretty quickly, I reckon. The peer-group factor is crucial for maintaining that whole 'respectful' (ie. slavishly devoted) ambience. (How long would the world's last premie remain a premie?) A community would soon arrive at its own tipping point if the balance of attitudes swung towards the rejection of M. Hmm, they might even decide to elect a new leader...

Yes we did 'just walk' - and Maharaji should thank his lucky stars that that is all we did.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:47:19 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Maharaji is SO lucky we left!
Message:
You have a good point, Nige.

Several of us were thinking about going to an event once but became bored with the idea pretty quickly and that was the end of that.

Wouldn't it be funny to arrive at a program en masse with ex-premie tee-shirts on or something?

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:19:23 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: VP
Subject: Maharaji is SO lucky we left!
Message:
Hiya Veeps,

(Long time no chat! How ya doin?) I think it would be even funnier to wear LOTU lapel badges...

It's funny, but I am remembering those occasions when some premie would bring along a friend for the first time and whoever was giving satsang would have to start pitching it all at 'introductory' level. The rest of you would be half-watching the visitor's face for signs of receptivity and hope that the Grace would do its stuff...

Sometimes out of the blue - and not understanding the 'rules' of satsang - the guest would ask some perfectly reasonable question like: 'but why do you need a guru?' or 'why does he need all that money if Knowledge is the answer?'

They would be asked to save any questions until afterwards and just (shut up!) and listen...

But I rember that jarring moment when the whole hypnotic spell was shattered and the premie in the chair would have to work to get back 'into the flow'.

And no, of course it wasn't brainwashing or anything like that...!

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 02:33:18 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Cults are like butt golf
Message:
Nigel,

Looking back, I wonder if everyone was checking me out to see if the grace was working it's magic. How amusing! I can remember sitting there at Satsang thinking, 'What in the HELL are they talking about?' I felt like the kid in the story The Emperor's New Clothes. I wanted to see the clothes like everyone else, but I KNEW that the King was naked. But still, it sounded too good to be true AND too bizarre and stupid to be true, at the same time.

Satsang reminds me of how cool we thought we were in our bell bottom pants and platform shoes even though we were incredibly stupid looking. It's amazing what behavior we can accept in a group--especially a group that is accepting of nonsense. And it's amazing what we can talk ourselves into doing just because everyone else is doing it.

Have you ever played 'butt golf' for example? Two requirements--loose fitting shorts or trousers and a LOT of alcohol. Before the drinking commences, someone sets up an obstacle course in the room with a cup at the end of the course. After everyone is inebriated, each person puts four quarters up in their butt cracks (pants are still on, but sheesh, I know this is gross!)

The object of the game is to walk through the obstacle course without dropping any of your four quarters. When you get to the cup, you try to aim the quarters into it. The person getting the most quarters into the cup wins. (Once we gave this old guy an extra quarter and it really freaked everyone out when he dropped five instead of four at the end of the game.)

Anyway, in summation, I believe that being in a cult is like playing butt golf. It's fun for a while--you're in the group, doing your thing--and at the time you believe you are oh so clever. They both require you to drop a bit of money, and if anyone who has never played finds out later that you did it, you are totally humiliated.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 14:05:11 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: VP
Subject: Butt golf, heh?
Message:
Over here, after a few jars, we just sit around playing 'who would you rather shag?' - where you just take it in turns to pick two famous names at random - any age, any sex - and the other person has to answer ('Donald Trump' or 'John Major'?)
So I reckon Butt Golf is a sophisticated art-form by comparison..!

Trouble is, VP, I have no idea how big a quarter is. (And do you reckon Prem could play it using silver dollars? He is all-powerful, after all...)

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:22:34 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Ex-Premie Training
Message:
It is very clear to me that there is a lack of synchronisation among the ex-premie community. Some are fighting demons which Maharaji claims to have exorcised back in the 80s - others seem blissfully unaware (in their righteous anger) as to what Maharajis message is these days.

To be this pissed off is a privelege NOT a right.

We need to pull together if we are going to grow. We need to be synchronised and in step with that feeling,that urge, that push, which will take us beyond in-fighting and point scoring... to an incredible, limitless place.

This is the garden of opportunity... and what are we growing ? Weeds and dirt.

In order to get more in tune with this opportunity, to fully realise this potential, I suggest that we each attend a Knowledge review, and attend video and sattelite events regularly. Strong medicine, for some... but it will soon weed out the weak amongst us. We need to be tested.

To really become 'loathers' again.

But you must give your 'loathing' something to feed on - or it will just eat you up.

Because just to 'loathe' is not enough. We need to do something.

What better place to do irrepairable damage, but on the inside. Physically, mentally, emotionally, criminally.... We need to go inside, but Undercover.

It is only in Elan Vital that we will find our Mission.

By doing service with our customary bile, resentment, and lack of synchronisation, we could each of play our part in bringing the whole thing to a grinding halt. Some brave souls - Pauline Premie, Jim, AJW and other volunteers could forge ahead out of base camp and claw their way to the dizzy organisational heights of EV.... and having got there erect new and more terrible gods.

Its a whole new world... just waiting for US.

Your loving brother

Mahatma LoafanandButter
Millennium Fever Satsang
On the Astroturf
Harringay Stadium 2000

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 21:32:31 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Maharaji is SO lucky we left!
Message:
Nigel,
My God, I expected after your post you were going to say -

'Right, Elaine?'

I actually do realize now that I refuse to stop ocassionally dropping by a program because of the old friends I have. Lots of history,lived in many cities in the US.( Also, too show off how Goddamn good I look.)

I never did - oh maybe in the early days- hear M talk about how important HE was in the process. Seems he stopped that ages ago.

Good post,
Elaine

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:31:21 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Maharaji is SO lucky we left!
Message:
Hi Elaine,

Relax - I wasn't addressing that one at you, or anyone, really!

re. your saying you hadn't heard Maharaji talking about the importance of the Master recently... In 1998 someone posted a long extract of (I think) the Long Beach address on the forum, and although M didn't use the word 'devotion' as he might have in the early days, he certainly spent a good deal of time going on about 'respect' for the Master and showing 'gratitude' etc.

It looked very much like the same old devotional trip but with the language turned down a little. Musicians playing instrumental versions of 'Lord of the Universe' etc., so the crusties in the crowd could hum along nostalgically without upsetting the Knowledge-lite era latter-day premies.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:49:41 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: You better think again!
Message:
As the librarian of my community I had to LEARN the content of the videos, therefore, having done that 'service/slavage' for years I DO NOW WHAT HE SAID OR NOT: You are wrong!!

Mahariachi still makes remarks about the importance of the Master TODAY!! I will find out the videos and will post the content here....He talks about the triangle for years! The Master, the student and knowledge...One doesn't work without the other...etc,....He dies to scream he's god but doesn't have the guts....he 'has to say it indirectly', for his devotees to interpret. I do not know if you talk about this subject with your premie friends but the ones I know, ALL of them believe him to be the Lord? Yes. He talks about it today....still...

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 11:00:42 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: You better think again!
Message:
Right S.B.

How about Wembley, England 1998. The very thinly veiled allusion to him being God where he says that at the point of death Krishna said ' remember me '. Hint hint.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:06:54 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Maharaji is SO lucky we left!
Message:
Whenever Maharaji talks about the Master, I understand that he is talking about his Master - Shri Maharaji. Also, you need a Master to provide inspiration and encouragement in practicing K. Well, it makes sense - who else is there reminding you to practice K?

Take it or leave it.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:16:35 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Mili , Is knowledge so great?
Message:
Mili,

´Why if this practise of meditation is so wonderful, do premies need someone to keep reminding them to do it?

Is it that the mind is so resistant to doing it that it will always distract a person from it? Or as I suspect , from my experience, that it's definitely 99.9% of the time not that wonderful. Most of the time for me it was just a strain, perhaps I should say an unnatural strain to stop thinking and touch upon a little beauty inside.

Most premies I have known well for many years and who are honest have admitted that their meditation is nothing to write home about and the real experience for them is in devotion and feeling connected to M's work. They turn up at programs in a desparate state , in need of a fix to keep them going.

Hal

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 12:56:15 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Hal
Subject: Mili , Is knowledge so great?
Message:
It really is great, Hal.

Sometimes it's a only a drop, sometimes it's a trickle - and sometimes it just knocks the socks off of me, really it does. But the funny thing is, you really can forget about it - and that's why Maharaji is so important, to remind you of it again and again.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:29:31 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Mili , Is knowledge so great?
Message:
Hi Milli,
Yes meditation is good, it can be great and, I grant you, can even 'rock your socks off.'
Surely that fact is enough to remind us to meditate. If it's not, why is it necessary to have M remind us? Couldn't one ask a partner, friend or the friendly neighbor to make a diary entry to remind them to take one aside and lay on a meditation is good rave. Or something like that.
Or is the excitement of the event a buzz as well?
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:23:57 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Ya know...
Message:
It's funny you should say that bec in the last couple of months I have stopped reading best selling novels - and have been devouring everything I can get my hands on about NDE, OBE (old,now).
I'm being SOO inspired by Dannion Brinkley,Brian Weiss,MD,James Van Praagh, and a bunch of others. Seeing that this 3 -dimensional world is such, Such a temporary stop over. Of course, we all know that. But, to read story, after story, after story, ---is making me realize how this earth is such 'not the real thing'. The important stuff is the spirit - and anything that makes your spirit grow and do the right thing and being forgiving and....SB I'm sorry if your upset - want to try to make peace?

Anyway, the only thing that counts is love.

Yes, M says very inspiring stuff - but he surely isn't the only one.

All of this inspires me to go inside..in fact Dannion says the breath is our link to the spirit world. Such a simple thing he says.

Elaine

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:59:49 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: I was never at war!
Message:
Elaine,

You do not have a clue about me and by reading your posts, I'll be praying for you, to 'my spirit'. I'll appreciate if when you want to say something to me, you say it to ME, since I do not read ALL posts...I do not have the time nor the patience... Don't assume that somebody does, I doubt it.

Of course I read premies' ones because they aid my process of confronting myself with the old me BS and also to learn about the cultish personality of premies. No Elaine, no roses from me. But you are not against me, but against my ideas, right? You don't know me...I'm loving and fun!

Triple ROFL...

Enjoy the forum! Cheers!

SB

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:59:57 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Elaine
Subject: Ya know...
Message:
Knowledge has never been 'spiritual' for me in the sense of leaving my body, ghosts, etc. Actually, it's been instrumental in feeling whole - just being wholly me and feeling at home in this world, in this life. It just feels good, it feels right.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 13:44:39 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Would you share....
Message:
...what it means to be wholly you ?

Which are some of those other worlds if there is this world?

If there is thislife which would be other life ?

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:27:28 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Hi Mili
Message:
Mili,
I'm sorry - I didn't mean to give the impression I wanted to have an OBE - in fact that is definitely NOT anything I'd want to do. But reading about obe's and NDE's makes me realize I am more a soul than a body.If I was more a 3-dimensional... it would be a pretty short trip.
Sorry.
Elaine
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:19:47 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Ya know...
Message:
Hi Mili,

Ya know . . . yes, and it (meditation) has also at least made me feel that I have consciously opened myself to divine inspiration. And it doesn't always make me feel 'good.' Sometimes I sit and cry, feeling pathetic and all alone, other times I could sit all night feeling wonderful, a few other times some strange things have happened. But I sit, and pray, and hope I learn and understand more. And the more I learn and understand though meditation/prayer and experience of life, the more ignorant I realize I am. And I keep on meditating, reaching out, experiencing and learning (I hope).

Stonor

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 22:45:20 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Ya know...
Message:
It is comforting reading that kind of stuff especially when loved ones are sick or die. But I don't agree with that idea that spirit is the only reality.

What about this world, this three dimensional world? I am very 'this world' oriented now. I guess that I actually felt that my spirit was very sick when I was so caught up in 'spirituality' in the guru days. Because I wasn't happy with real life, the flesh and bones real life--relationships, career, etc. Now that I have found a way to be be happy in the world it is as if my spirit has come home....The spiritual dimension of life doesn't have to be separate from the temporal world...it's hard to explain..

I think there is a spiritual dimension of life, but I don't know if it lives beyond death or anything like that. I am ok with that now. Because I have found a way to be happy and at peace...

SOmeone who used to post here said that people can be very spiritually oriented and still be sick in their soul. Anyway this is just me, my experience.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 17:34:55 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Ya know...
Message:
Oh, definitely - the spiritual dimension of life isn't separate from the temporal world.
Sorry, if I gave the wrong impression. This temporal world is SO important - and I am HERE. But aware of my truer self and it in others,more now.
Anyway, have other posts to you.
It's been nice.
Elaine
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 19:06:05 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: and recreated the whole experience here!
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:08:20 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: and recreated the whole experience here!
Message:
hi-
i think i could better understand what all just really happened here if I knew the FA on duty today's name. but that's not gonna happen is it?

In your experience, how often do they 'remove' posts that aren't particularly noteworthy in any way? In the weeks that I've been here, I don't think I've ever seen it.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:40:47 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: randomly
Message:
The software is stable beta ++. That I believe and have faith in.
The people running it, I think check in at random and don't really have any policies in place. Do you think they should?
and.. if you think they should, how should they do it?
NOT a trick question raina. not a challenqe.

a kindred spirit sorta (if you don't mind me thinking that)
who is interested in what you have to say about this.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 07:21:43 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: randomly
Message:
(Don't feel obliged to read all this-I over-answered!)

Sure I understand the need for certain policies...but ideally this place has always felt to me pretty free and boundary-less. Two incoherent 25 word poems, was less annoying to me than a whole lotta other's people's pretentious shit (a few anyway)....but if I'm wishing them to go away, or 'die!' I can tell them myself thankyou very much! Or just ignore it....

Obviously they (FA's) get credit for keeping this (forum) going as well as it seems to, and have a better sense than I of the best way to maintain it etc. I suppose they also want to keep room for some things etc...fine. I'm sure things can get pretty messy when someone has a tantrum. I imagine people may try to throw wrenches in the works sometimes if they feel wronged? Maybe Premie once sent them a letter bonb? Perhaps he's threatened people violently in the past? And they feel they have to nip it in the but before he feels comfortable enough to get out of control?

But since I have never read 'Preemie' posts before, and I don't imagine those kind of extreme examples to be the case with him/her, I was really shocked and disappointed (disgusted really) that an FA felt delusionally omnipotent enough to think she/he was doing us a favor by 'saving people time' (quote) as she said! She didn't say 'To make room for something better etc'. It was her choice of words that made me uncomfortable. Which seemed to be overly judgemental, and abusing or misusing the position.

There was no mention of 'corruption' or 'software glitches' in their first apology. That seemed to be a handy pat answer to my 'how dare you Idi Amins'-way following the goof.

I'm not upset that someone may have really messed up accidentally-I have no problem believing that. It's the intial reason that she (i keep wanting to say she for some reason) felt moved to play editor when it wasn't called for that gets to me.

When GerRy was posting all those 'FY''s last week (?) some people may have been annoyed, but I was laughing hysterically, for no other reason than it was so silly. Others may have been annoyed-but why interfere? and I'm glad they didn't. I didn't get a real idea of how angry he actually was until much later into it. Even then-so what? It's alive and breathing that way.......people were making funnier and funnier jokes.........and it really cheered me up etc....but imagine an FA deciding that GeRry should be editted instead of just laissez-fairing it?

Obvioulsy the FA's seem wonderfully even tempered for the most part.......but when one of them just has the urge to pull a rug out for no apparent reason...? I would think that's just a particular personality trait/flaw getting in the way...when it didn't need to be there.

I also understand that it's best not to get too out of control with mutiple name postings....but I was a little weirded out the way I was the only one singled out...it seemd more like away of having an excuse to check my isp or to let me know they are so big bro or.....fuck i don't even care about that..........it's just that feeling that something else wasn't said up front.........and it was creepy.........

fuck creepy! (unless it's funny in the end).

holy shit! it's 3 :15am!

i think the term for this is emotional incontinence? sorry (if you bothered to read on!)

chow 4 niao

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 07:51:12 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: I bothered to read on!!
Message:
So what does that make me I wonder?? Sleep incontinent? you perhaps gave better words I'm sure. I like that about you :)
I loved gerry's fuck you posts can't even tell you what they did for me.
I'm glad raina that you see all this, and see , well all this.
hang in there girl.
honest and truly I missed the preemie posts. don't know where I was then. flirting with some guy most likely. instead of fighting the good fight. so sue me heller.
I still don't know what you really want from the FA's raina.
I'll tell you what I'd do if I were FA. ha!! I have even entertained doing this job. I doubt they would let an unstable female do it, and I have a fulltime job so I can't. but when I leave my job, soon I hope I am thinkin I'll volunteer and then certain people will have a fucking shit fit because they don't believe it but I do have the skills but anyway what I would do is let all posts go except THREATS and I was very tempted here to make a typo and say THREADS. that would be funny huh???
all posts could go through except for threads.
creative writing at it's worst. and off topic to boot. boot me now!!
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:17:26 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: yes exactly...there's something sacred about peop
Message:
le communicating....the unwritten rules that intelligence cherishes.......aware that one is spitting on sacred ground EVEN when it SEEMS like a dangerous threat you know?........(but i agree with you THREADS is where to draw the line!) Now see! any argumentative Bozo that missed your THREADS joke-expects me to anticipate and CARE about their misunderstanding! This AMAZES me....and has put me in touch with the 'killer inside' that contemplates the beauty of the mercy killing of the maliciously brain dead. (Better the devil you know than the devil you don't!)

For me this place is a fascinating School for the Deaf. I have always been scared to death by the discovery that it is more common than not, for people to WANT to misunderstand (for a million different reasons both malicious and innocent) each other. And as an adult how life and death one word can be sometimes.

Just seems the FA's should have as open a mind as possible for these reasons that's all....

where has heller been anyway?

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 22:53:39 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: one word yeah I hear you!
Message:
You said:
And as an adult how life and death one word can be sometimes.

I've been crucified for a one word response before! and it was innocent, seriously! too funny.

Use it for your writing if nothing else. A fascinating study in human nature, no? Performance art.

Some of the people have genuine struggles leaving M's cult. And the purpost of this site is (I think!!) to help those people and to give information about M and the cult. This SITE I mean. this forum is for discussion about that. off topic stuff is fine with me. Others feel differently about that, except when THEY are doing it of course :) :)

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 11:08:07 (GMT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: With ya on that one but what about the spammers?
Message:
I'd love for your policy to be the way, but maybe we're too idealistic, the idiot posts could get pretty boring.

oh & Raina there is editing here, the spamming problem can get horrendous, but there's also occasional deletions that are highly debatable. Been thru that one myself.....

After gm it would have been great for this site to have been more, but as it is it's still pretty good.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 23:12:00 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: ham
Subject: spamming is in the eye of the beholder :)
Message:
well of course I'd delete ALL of XXXXXX's posts :)

no no seriously. Don't you think most spammers just do it for attention? and play themselves out after a while? has it been that serious here?

I had a thought: Is deliberately and in anger, to prove a point or intentionally hurt, posting email from someone or personal info on them, like where they live or their email address and name if they are anonymous a threat? I think it is.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:36:11 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: spamming is annoying as hell
Message:
Hi Selene and Raina -
OK, Selene knows that Brian and I used to be the FA's (about a year ago, and we were not anonymous). I read ALL the posts on the forum almost every day - I honestly wouldn't be able to keep up with that now, and I doubt that anyone else could either.

Personally, I found spamming (posting many incoherent posts, repetitive posts, answering every thread with nonsense, etc.) to be the MOST annoying thing I had to face. There were certain people who did this on a routine basis - usually at about 4 in the morning their time, and using different names every time. (It got really bad when they started ANSWERING their own posts, pretending to be 'other' people). Anyway, it is not fun to wake up in the morning and find that someone has posted a whole bunch of crap all over the forum at night. Plus then other people spent time reading and ANSWERING these posts, and then the whole thing had to get archived, and then people reading the archives had to wade through the mess.

I didn't read 'Preemie's' posts, and I don't know why they were deleted, but I'm guessing that 'Preemie' might have been one of those repeat name-switching offenders. Even if not, my own experience is that I got a LOT less 'laissez-faire' about garbage posts when I had to read ALL the posts. So I do sympathize with the FA - we're all human. When Brian and I were FA's, some people spammed unbelievably here (hundreds of posts) and we got criticism for not blocking them and deleting posts EARLIER - ya can't win :).

BTW, Selene, I don't think posting personal information or e-mails from someone else is necessarily a 'threat', but I think it should be a clearly stated rule in the guidelines! Consequences - deletion of posts, and repeat offenders blocked. Plus I think you'd be a good FA, but you might get sick of it really fast!

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:36:43 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I'd be subjective as hell (er).....
Message:
no pun indended?????
Hi Katie. I didn't realize that spamming was so bad. Probably cause you deleted them. I wonder who was doing it? Let me put on my thinking cap for one half a second. Bingo. got it.

Thank you for the vote of confidence. The only thing that annoys me really is some people on here ASSUMING I couldn't do it. That is such BS. But unlike some I will not go on and on singing my technical praises. yuck on that one.

Hey do you feel old yet?/(sorry) :)

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 16:10:38 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Old as the hills and twice as moldy
Message:
especially first thing in the morning.

Seriously, Selene, I don't think there are many people here who think you couldn't be a FA. You don't seem to really want to do it though - and I certainly don't blame you for that. However laid-back you are, you do have to assert authority sometimes as an FA, and it's really difficult to be an authority figure in a group of people who have understandable yet major issues with authority. The FA gets a lot of grief - some deserved, but much not. IMO, it's really a multi-person job - or at least a job which requires a support system.

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 16:47:23 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I hear you!
Message:
The isssues with authority figures here are quite amazing. Of coure they are understandable. I really wasn't kidding when I posted my 'recreated the whole experience here' one-liner!

It's the human drama that fascinates me. rainas well one thing is for sure, it cannot be done by anyone working full time so it isn't an issue, (yet)

I didn't feel old until a year or two ago.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:27:17 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: ham
Subject: With ya on that one but what about the spammers?
Message:
I've never spent time in a forum or chatting on line like this before...so I can't compare...but I love this place............as much for it's pointlessness at times you know........

i'm not upset about having anything deleted.......i'm just having a hell of a time trying to make the point that it was the FA's original motivation to decide to start editting that bugged me....
not even the editting itself really..........but for her to let us into her dysfunctional criteria for deciding when stuff should be removed 'to save us OUR time from Preemies nonsense' (as she ACTUALLY said) was just eye-opening (scary) as much as it was off base.........

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:16:03 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: FA?You've Double posted1 thread n REMOVED my last?
Message:
why?
I already look like enough of an asshole with you adding to it?
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:30:52 (GMT)
From: R.D. Laing
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Re-read The FA's Msg--They Were Errors -Jeezus nt
Message:
m
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:39:25 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: R.D. Laing
Subject: I posted at the same TIME! JEEZUS! asshole
Message:
and i was hardly furious-as i should have been-

it was before i discovered the Idi Amin of Forum V decided we needed to be spared fro % harmless (incoherent but HARMLESS) sentences about basketball?

FUCK you

p.s It's taken me 15 minutes to try to post this FUCK yOU to you because I seem to be BLOCKED!!!!???

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:43:30 (GMT)
From: R.D.Laing
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: My Apologies, Little Ms. Paranoid Victim nt
Message:
m
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:52:23 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: R.D.Laing
Subject: Yes I thought I'd be a paranoid stand-in 4 Preemie
Message:
listen poodle ass-breath! i'm fighting for YOUR moronic brain's right to free speech

you FUCKING projecting asshole!

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 19:03:25 (GMT)
From: R.D. Laing
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Spare Me
Message:
I can fight my own battles, thank you. I just choose them carefully. I know the FAs and also know that they're not censors; perhaps just tired of the repetitive bullshit. FYI, Preemie didn't particularly bother me, and even if s/he did, I'd not expect the posts to be deleted. But in this cases, preemie's remarks were just so much vomited scrambled eggs, I couldn't have cared less if his/her posts were removed.

Ciao, babeeee.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 23:30:12 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: R.D. Laing
Subject: WHAT HAS REALLY HAPPENED HERE
Message:
It's amazing to me.......you say you'll 'choose your own battles CAREFULLY?'
and you call MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT here (for the 10th time!) and arguing with me being 'careful'?!? how impressive!

BEFORE YOU continue THIS pointless ('carefully chosen'!) battle answer these 2 questions
(to yourself cause I don't give a rat's ass what you (think you) think about anything.)

By 'sparing us from wasting our time' as the FA claims, POINTLESSY deleting 'Preemie' (which was a 5 sentence poem about besketball!) the ASSHOLE FA DELETED OTHER PEOPLE's posts also!!!! And her explanantion is that 'we reserve the right to censor when people threaten ech other etc!!!! Because she can't admit she was totally off base! bored maybe?)

And exactly HOW is it that the FA knows 'Preemie' won't make sense to someone else
anyway?

For you to go out of your way to disgust me, and make me sick to my stomach, makes me aware of the purposefulness, and beautifully cleansing elements of death and disease.

Spare you? Spare yourself-and don't bother responding to me, because I'll know better than to read anything you post.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:04:03 (GMT)
From: Evelyn Wood
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Cantcha Read? FAs Deleted Other Posts In Error nt
Message:
mm
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:20:33 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Evelyn Wood
Subject: Is this response to the subject line or ENTIRE
Message:
post?
did you even read what I wrote? or are you yet another ass looking for more STUPID exchange of pointless insult!?
My god! You MUST be RD Laing.

I quit

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:28:48 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: FA?You've Double posted1 thread n REMOVED my last?
Message:
Sorry Raina, but it seems to be a software glitch. I won't risk deleting the duplicates again in case any other valid threads disappear. I've asked Brian to look at it. I suspect the index is corrupt of some other plausible sounding explanation.

FA

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:48:34 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: a software glitch? or a your wrong move glitch?
Message:
what made you decide it was SO important to spare anyone from reading 'preemies'
few sentences of nonsense in the first place..?
no foul language etc...?

what's your name anyway?

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:59:36 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: probably the ILOVEYOURAINA virus (nt)
Message:
I love you raina.
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:14:31 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Disappearing posts
Message:
I deleted some nonsense from Preemie in Raina's French egg joke thread and duplicate posts appeared. I tried to delete the duplicates and a couple of real threads disappeared, and posts from AJW's Elan Vital Copyright thread also disappeared. I am writing to Brian for help, but apologies in the meantime for anyone who's posts disappeared (except Preemie).

Forum Admin

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:39:02 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Disappearing posts
Message:
I rebuilt the index, but haven't actually fixed the bug that caused it to become corrupted. I'll work on it this weekend, and it will probably involve having to lock the forum at times. (Actually, I'll only be locking it to wreck Raina's life...)
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 23:47:38 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: You REALLY don't see my point?
Message:
Only once in weeks have I ever seen any of you alter anything (you reposted to the top of the page someone's link to something. cq's maybe? or stonor?) whatever....

Obviously, if someone is being threatened-fine!

I would simply like to know what FA '#13' thought she was doing in the first place by 'saving people the bother and time' of reading 'Preemie''s posts (which consisted of about 20 words! and said absolutely NOTHING! no threats! no vulgarity even-to suggest FA13 had a weak stomach or something) and by her uncontrollable NEED to do us all a favor other people got trashed! My question is simply 'All for what?' Who does she think she is?

It would be like me deciding 'Oh let's get rid of this. A bunch of people saying Happy Birthday to someone I, MYSELFISH, don't know. So I'm going to delete all this repetitive nonsense! It's Exactly that!

Even if Preemie has a history of being 'bothersome' (an extremely rare occurence in Forum V) he only posted two little itty bitty tiny harmless things!

Why does this FA think she's Mother knows best?

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 04:55:02 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: raina
Subject: You REALLY don't see my point?
Message:
No, actually I do see your point. I was poking fun at you, but I guess I haven't laid the groundwork to do that by responding to earlier posts of yours. Text is easy to misinterpret when you don't get to see the grins that aren't typed :)

What posts of yours that I have read I've enjoyed. You have a wry and dry sense of humor and I enjoy that in people - especially coming from women as it's so out of character with the stereotypes that shape our expectations about people.

But whether you or I or anyone else agrees with an action taken by an FA (female in this case apparently by your choice of pronouns), the fact remains that she's the one who has volunteered to take responsibility for the forum. This medium would evaporate without someone stepping forward. I've done the job in the past and can tell you that it's much harder than it looks. Especially so when she takes the responsibility seriously and feels regret over actions taken or not taken.

The people who administer this forum also get to post as 'real' people because they do the work anonymously. Complaints are address to 'FA #13' rather than to 'Jane Doe'. Jane is free to post as herself without having to suffer a barrage of complaints, suggestions, complaints, approval, and complaints in response to her posts.

Why does this FA think she's Mother knows best?

Mothers are like that (yeah, they are). She gets no applause for doing things 'right', gets paid nothing for the work that she does, and gets no calls when the kids are grown.

(BTW - Happy Mothers Day, Mom. I've been pretty busy lately...)

But she's not accountable to those who benefit from her willingness to do the work, but who haven't volunteered to take over the job. Like the life given to you at birth, you have this forum. Post what you want, or don't. It will get deleted or stand way beyond it's time in the archives.

The value of this forum is in providing you a place where you can say what you want about the topic - Maharaji and his profitable little cult of mute and obedient followers. Anything else is deletion-bait as far as I'm concerned (including this post and this thread).

Cut Mom some slack. She's just doing a thankless job and bound to rub you wrong at times. She is never above disapproval. Besides, we both know that women are pushy, controlling, and emotional minefields... Don't want her to stomp of in frustration, now do we? :)

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 13:55:01 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: short and sweet
Message:
no, not maharaji, but the making of my point..... hopefully....

(BTW this in in response to just one very last thing YOU (not FA#13) said about 'deletion-bait'...)

OK-If someone were to simply write nothing else but something like this:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
'My friend happened to catch a picture of me tripping, and rolling onto the the ankles of my sister at her graduation ceremony from graduate school.'

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OK Mr. B if you were 'in a hurry' (as FA-13 believes we all are!) would you catch the 'at the foot of the master' joke?

ok? huh? ok? huh?

It almost sounded in your last post (almost ok) like anything that doesn't make obvious reference to OBVIOUS M disgust should technically be deleted etc.

If people have legit gripes, and are even a little emotionally wiggy from the whole M experience, isn't it most important to maintain the forum for them to be able discover that? (and feel free to get a little nuts occaisionally)? It's part of the healing process. Also it's a way to challenge the accuracy of people's accusations-to hone them in! A mini-law school if you will!

I stopped trying to understand Preemie after the 6th word....but what if it were a drunk Maharaji incognito?

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 02:48:40 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Love ya Raina - LOL
Message:
Hi Raina,

Thank you for responding to my post.

13 is my favourite number!!! Tomorrow is the 13th. I like it for a long list of reasons, but that's off-topic.

Yes, Raina, FA has been slow to respond to a mumber of situations that have seemed more urgent than Preemie's gobblediguk, but Maybe something else was happening in their life at the time . . . who knows . . . maybe there was a novice at the controls recently . . . who knows? That is still no excuse for your personal indulgence of suggesting that you were being personally edited, nor or your suggesting that the FA is Idi Aminish!!!!

I don't know what is happening in your life right now exactly, but I've found that it's good to step back sometimes and try to see the bigger picture. I realize that despite the fact that not only have I only been reading/posting here for almost 3 months now, but I have had contact with m only through his devotees and ex-devotees.

Could you please explain this:

Only once in weeks have I ever seen any of you alter anything (you reposted to the top of the page someone's link to something. cq's maybe? or stonor?) whatever....

I LOVE the fact that you assume the FA is a woman!

And I agree with you about the birthday thing. It all seems so 'in-crowdish,' don't you think? But it seems to be a 'ritual' here. I wish I could play (early) Bryan Ferry doing 'The In-Crowd,' (no turntable) but I'm listening to it in my head!

You may have missed my point, but I love your energy and sincerity anyways!!

'Kick the Buddha/Rock the Casbar, who cares? 'It's Friday night,' (said with the intonation of 'The Friday Night Girls' (Mary Walsh and ? on 'Codco').

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 07:36:23 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Unasked for advice's a sign of hostilty
Message:
hi-
why would you say I was 'self-indulgent' when my main point and concern was in defense of preemie? I mentoned that my stuff got trashed, only because she was trying to apologize for doing that to it-because she 'wanted to do our reading for us!'?????

Why is it so difficult for me to make the simple point, even angrily, without RDLaing for example misreading (and even apologizing only to get sarcastic all over again!)

ya the Birthday thing was annoying-but i also like the idea of people saying happy BD to me wherever! so why not! u're right it's the little clubish things...bugz me-that's why maybe 4 people wish me happy birthday at this point in my life...i'm a scrooge.........

yes lol lol....................

answering your? it obviously wasn't your post I remember 'Blood' maybe? re-posted over again from the top a week or two ago.....

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:18:32 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Katie's controversial birthday
Message:
Hi Raina (and Stonor) -
I just e-mailed something like the following to Stonor (who I AM in e-mail contact with, and who I do NOT think is dangerous!) Thought I should respond here since the birthday thread - the latest one anyway - was addressed to me.

Anyway, I understand if you think the birthday greetings on the forum are annoying. It is something we started doing when the forum was much smaller, and almost everyone knew each other pretty well. It's somewhat archaic now the 'forum population' is huge, and there isn't as much of a community feeling any more. I don't care that much about my birthday - when you are 44, it's not a big deal! - but it's nice to know that people care about me, especially since this past year has been pretty rough. (Plus what I said about Brian not remembering until he read it on the forum is true - snicker!)

Your (and others) remarks about the 'in-group' feeling here bother me. Other people have mentioned this to me in e-mail, and I think it is a concern. Part of the problem, I think, is that a lot of us have been posting here for a long time (since fall 97 for me). Also, I and other people have met a lot of the people who post here in person - almost all of them as a RESULT of posting on the forum, although I know a few of them from my premie days, amazingly enough. Basically, I feel like I have more in common with most of the people I've met from the forum than most of the people I've met in my day-to-day life - some of the people I've met from here are now my closest friends. I am sure the forum reflects this sometimes.

However, if there is the 'in-group' feeling here, I think it needs to be addressed. I can't see it myself, but that's because I'm too close to it, but I know how off-putting that feeling can be. Furthermore, I don't think anyone should feel like they can't post because they don't have 'knowledge' (there are SEVERAL ex-aspirants here - VP was probably the first one to post consistently.) Also, I don't see being 'not one or the other' (as Stonor has referred to) should be a problem. Lots of friends, spouses relatives, ex-friends, ex-spouses, etc. of premies/ex-premies have posted here in the past, and most of them have had a lot of pertinent and interesting things to say.

BTW, Raina, when is YOUR birthday? :)

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:01:47 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie and raina
Subject: in group feeling
Message:
Hi Katie
I have been one of the people who has commented on the 'in group' feeling and how i dislike it.
I didn't really like hearing about 'dinner' plans or MOST of the birthdays either, or someones european travelogue for that matter. You are an execption to me, a very special friend and I don't care who doesn't like it that I wish you a happy birthday. sheesh!! btw raina, I'd wish you one too if I knew when it was!
And I am sure that many don't give a shit if I am mad at Jim Heller of what meds I am on or much of the other crap I spew out.
Basically we all have to face the fact that there are some individuals we may not like at all here. But they are here. I am here and will be until I don't feel like it. Oh well :)
It's called life.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:43:49 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I, I, I, think my my my phone's tapped!!
Message:
......tapped phone joke was just a laugh for Mother's Day...
not extremely funny.....but in fact an honest (as it is meaningless!) expression of appreciation-that you, selene, have made me feel unfettered enough to just type with my eyes closed.....and laugh with me....and at all the silliness.....and

wish you a happy mum's day........
and happy birthday to you too!
(for the next 25 years!)

p.s. I hope this doesn't read like an insincere attempt at reinforcing bonds and friendships in this thread from hell, as does Stonor's weather report to Katie (below)....(i only read it to make ure she didn't kill herself, and to access her general mood! which was remarkably a stable and nurturing type person, like June Cleaver!!!!! (or Kathleen Turner's character Serial Mom.)

ok-i will stop.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:53:05 (GMT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: 25 years? you think i'll live that long?
Message:
and do I want to I wonder?
yeah you too, the b'days and all.
you'll be back. it's addicting I can recongnize another one. besides you can't resist bugging them. I shouldn't have made that drunk mother's joke. See? I went too far to. Feel better now?
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:18:40 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: selene
Subject: Flowers on your gravesite babe!
Message:
have two beers on me!
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 17:47:55 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Katie's controversial birthday
Message:
Hi Katie,

Thanks for the e-mail! When I saw that you had also posted the B-day questions, I decided I should post my response to them here as well.

The first time I saw B-day greetings here I didn't think too much of it, but I did feel a bit strange and left out not knowing anyone who was having one well enough to wish them a happy birthday. And of course, I'm sure you realize that the 'controversy' is not 'your' birthday, but rather the practice here in general.

For whatever reason, birthdays and holidays have generally not been particularly pleasant times in my life, so at this point I often comment on a wonderful day as being 'my' Christmas or birthday. I also don't like the commercial hype surrounding them. My family has become generally flexible about it all these days (my sister's Jewish now - as are her husband and children, for example) - if things don't come together, we do something when we can. I have a friend in Victoria who always remembers my birthday, and this year got a greeting from my first boyfriend (30 years ago - we necked in the park), and I admit it is always a pleasure to receive 'Happy Birthday' greetings.

I've really had mixed feelings about them when the Birthday Goddess makes another announcement. I do understand that many of you have known each other for a long time, either through m or through this forum, as well as off-line meetings. I AM an 'outsider' or a least a new-comer here in that sense, and for this reason I am in no position to criticize. If I remember my post correctly, I said that I too felt left out at these times to some extent and did find it to be a bit 'in-crowdish' around here - an honest comment.

As you probably remember, I have been attacked several times for not having received 'knowledge' and I have heard from an ex that this is a general m-effect - that some people who have received 'knowledge' won't even bother to talk to those who haven't. It hardly seems to be a Forum V specific 'problem,' but perhaps an issue that might be worth discussing here at some time. Combined with references to things that took me a while to understand (and I'm always learning more), I have been very apprehensive many times about posting. However, I did want to learn more about what was going on with the m-trip and its effects, so I persevered. I worry that, as you mention, other 'friends, spouses relatives, ex-friends, ex-spouses' etc. may decide not to post for these reasons or, as I've also posted, because of the 'no-holds-barred' atmosphere at times, which might also work against the goals of ex-premies. But these comments are my personal opinion, and I realize that many of you here have given much longer thought to these issues as they've come up over time.

As always I appreciate your posts!

Take care,

Stonor

PS. Once the snow finally melted it has seemed like it has been raining every weekend! I've done what I can, but I'm losing a bit of momentum and I have too many plants and seeds waiting to go into the ground. I'm hoping the rain will hold off long enough today for me to finish checking out the irrigation system so that I can bury it and start planting. My leeks all survived Montreal's winter! And it looks like I'll have apricots and maybe some peaches this year too - what day should I call it when I pick my first fruit?! Back out to make sure all the tubes are filling (I didn't get it right the first time last year).

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:39:12 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: OH MY GOD!
Message:
if you had understood my point (or even read it for yourself?) ..

I said I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM with it! but it was an example of the OT stuff that happens.....
BTW Happy Birthday (whoever you are you know?) but i do hope you had a great birthday too....but oh my god...insstead of getting coffee....!!! i'm obliged to try to impress on you that i am not the evil monster Stonor is determined to make you see me as....this is getting way too yucky! i was even accused of not being myself!

It (the Birthday OT) was the only thing that came to mind quickly...and when I AGREED with someone else about it's cliquishness....but i was just agreeing rather than beating a dead horse....

actually I am really interested in the whole congregating mechanism that goes on with people...and may have just been trying to make a mental note about connections between the need to 'group' and EV and......and....the million mom march etc...................

It's interesting that the same vulnerability that porbably brought people here to M-is still very apparent...and i find that sensitivity very appealing (most of the time).

I'm not putting a whole lot into my response to you because I've been on way longer than I intended....so my apologies if I missed answering you....

I am SO glad that I did not respond to Stonor's invite to email her.....
and I DO think she is dangerous because she has been actively looking
for arguments with me since thursday-
i just let her have it...to shut her up-
but she still's wanting more...

i'm not interested....

p.s. note that i didn't say anything about the birthday posts while it was going on! why woudld i want to sour your BD! of course I wouldn't!

like the date of my BD-I think I won't be too eager to make the mistake of getting any more intimate on this forum than I already have....no offense....

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:55:11 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: NOT a big deal!
Message:
Hi Raina -
YES I read your posts, and I don't think you're an evil monster! And I certainly didn't mean to address you in any way that implied that. If you read my post again, I hope you'll see that I really was NOT trying to lay any trips on you!

I agree that OT stuff happens here all the time. A lot of the OT stuff can be really interesting - and you get to know more than one side of the other people who post here. Some people hate OT posts & some people love them.

Anyway - the point of my previous posts is that you did say the birthday stuff was 'annoying' - and I was just trying to see it from the other side, and understand why. And maybe find out more about how you (and Stonor, and others) see the forum dynamics. This place changes all the time, and sometimes, if you've been around for a long time - like I have - you don't see the changes clearly. If there is a cliquish feeling here, then that's a problem, IMO.

Get some coffee (I personally can't live without it!).

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:16:50 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Walking on broken glass!
Message:
No I wasn't upset by your post at all-just tense from the Stonor crap....

AND the way it is SO inevitable that we have to explain ourselve so much...
understandably-and not at all such a horrible thing...but....

If i remember correctly-I was trying to say that ABSTRACT POETRY (no matter how incoherent) might actually be less annoying than Hallmarky Birthday Cliche stuff you know?

I really did hesitate from saying that, at the risk of insulting you etc....but I think you do see that I had no desire at all to offend you...or anyone at the BD party!

It was just an attempt at making a point with live examples in front of us.....
I mean it's so funny that I purposely said...I was a 'scrooge' and that's why no one ever says happy BD to me! ( a slight exxageration) but also an interesting subject for me.....

I've chosen to speak out even when I know it might be misunderstood-in my life...and I'vee lost friends and family to that choice....but I really don't regret it.

That's not to say I'm not saddened by it and the irony....
but it's too amazing to me that Stonor has to post to me
things like 'No wonder no one likes you! Or says happy BD to you!'

As if the whole point is completely missed....which i am TOTALLY used to....
and ironically this forum only makes me wonder if Maharji doesn't feel the same way
you know?

I mean imagine what it would feel like to have someone in a straight jacket, bouncing off the walls and telling you how horrible you are! You could only feel pity for them And it would be a waste of time to speak.........that's how Stonor has made me feel...and I shudder to thik of the crap she'd be sending me if she had my email address! (and i was JUST about to email her before JIM(?) posted a comment that made her go nuts etc.....

Who is RD Laing BTW?

Now I'm making coffee!!!!

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:52:24 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: feels like I'm walking on broken glass...
Message:
Hi Raina -
Don't worry about offending me about the BD stuff - as I said, it's not a big deal to me. I usually don't even tell people at work, etc. And the 'in-crowd' issue that you (and Stonor) were making was interesting to me. Really, I do not have problem with your being 'scroogy' - I am that way about holidays, especially Xmas (I HATE it).

My experience on this forum is that everyone projects. It's impossible not to - I know I do it, and I know other people do it to me. So, yeah, there is always LOTS and LOTS of explaining to do. (I usually only get mad when I feel that people are PURPOSEFULLY mis-interpreting me to make a point, which has happened.) Also, Raina, sometimes I do have a problem trying to interpret and understand your posts - we communicate in very different ways, I think. I know that the point you are making is very clear to YOU, but sometimes it is not all that clear to me.

I agree that it's awful to have someone on the forum making all kinds of judgements about you from your posts here. It's happened to me, and it's been horrible, and has made me feel bad for days. Can't give any advice - not that you want it) because I really do not know what to do in these situations - if I get angry and counter-attack, then the thing escalates out of proportion (as I feel has happened with you and Stonor!) and if I admit that they hurt me, then I often get flamed for that.

But after having met some of the people who post here, I can clearly see that what we 'know' about people from the forum is very one-dimensional. It's also possible to get trapped in your forum persona - this has happened to me. So I'm inclined to cut people a lot of slack - especially since some of the people who post here are so clearly and obviously hurting, or are SO angry and reactive (I'm not talking about you specifically here - mostly about people who have just left Maharaji).

[However, I think that if someone is using a fake name (like 'R.D. Laing' - the original R.D. Laing was a famous therapist, now dead) - BLOW THEM OFF - cause they don't have the guts to confront you under their real name - or even their SCREEN name!]

BTW, as to 'who I am' my name is Katie (Mischa) Haering, and you can read my Journey if you want - it's under Katie (Mischa).

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:15:40 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: feels like I'm walking on broken glass...
Message:
Dear Katie:
I assume you meant by R.D. Laing not using his/her SCREEN name, that you had access to the browser types (the perks/hazards of being a partner with the webmaster, who does a damn fine job IMO) and could see that R.D. Laing and Monmot were the same people, which they were. I posted using R.D. Laing because I thought Raina was a bit nuts (not that I'm saying none of us aren't at some time or another and not that I am trying to excuse the use of another moniker). I resumed my usual moniker when Raina accused Stonor of child molestation and then suggested that Stonor 'jump,' which, no matter how much spin Raina attempted, did not mean a leap of faith, but to kill herself. As a rule, I don't use multiple monikers, and won't anymore (unless it's a one-time joke kind of thing), but I can't say I feel bad about using R.D. Laing. I agree we all project at times, and I won't deny it on my part by any means, but if you hang around Raina long enough, she'll turn on you also. Her attacks on Stonor were way out of line, bordering on sociopathic, and I do not think that you would think that false accusations and suggestions of suicide were/are okay under any circumstances. It's obvious from reading your posts that you're balanced and reasonable and I certainly am not looking to offend you in any manner whatsoever.

BTW, I use a moniker for very good reasons and I hope that at some point I will use my real name, but I can only say for now that an alias is appropriate for the time being. I am more than willing to make email contact privately, but must maintain my anonymity publicly at this point in time.

Thanks

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:17:18 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: I didn't know!
Message:
Hi Monmot -
No, I did NOT know it was you - Brian and I let the FA's deal with the browser information now (thank god!). I just knew that people have posted in the past using names of famous people, and no one has picked one of these names as their screen name. (An educated guess, you might say, because I did assume that RD Laing was a regular forum poster - I wouldn't have guessed 'RD' was you though.)

I don't want to comment on the rest of your post - since I'm friendly with several of the people involved, and am not really happy at how angry people have gotten just from reading each other's forum posts. Just so you know though, I have really liked your posts in the past. Also, I have no problems with people being anonymous - there are lots of reasons for this (and some don't even involve M!)

Take care -
Katei

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:04:09 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Thanks. nt
Message:
mm
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:18:28 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Over-generalization IMO
Message:
If you had left it at that, fine. But that was only part of your reaction from what I could read.

Hostility? Calling FA Idi Amin????

Hyperbole or what!

Raina, it really doesn't take much to apologize Once in a while. It can be a real ice-breaker.

(And yes/YEAH, re B-days - I e-mailed my greeting - and remember, I'm a non-anything, ya feel left out sometimes especially around here! ;-)

Scrooge? My B-days and other 'CULTural' events are a story in themselves! (Let me see now . . . do one or two people wish me a happy B-day . . . or not? Oh, one always does, even though she lives on the other side of the continent.)

Hope the weekend weather is great where you live Raina!

(My coffee's almost finished . . . gotta get to work soon.)

Stonor

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:40:43 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Don't you hate when people give you advice when
Message:
they first call you 'self-indulgent' and then
forget to respond to the original question,
only to over=react to an Idi Amin joke,
only to give you more unasked for advice....

Do you REALLY think I need to be told like a 4th grade student
that 'It's not hard to apologize!'
Or that you know me so well that I NEED to be told such a thing? particularly in such a condescending way!?

well it SEEMS to me too babe........
you're missing the point from your own little world...

a teacher who has affairs with his students wasn't it?

Ok-that was harsh, completely off base, mean spirited, perhaps even WRONG,...but Stonor just leave it alone.........

how's this 'Thanx for suggestions!'

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 14:54:51 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Don't you hate when people ASSUME?
Message:
YOU leave it alone Raina!!!

Are you Jim?!!!

I did NOT have an affair with the student who harrassed me!!

Why do you ASSUME that?

Or maybe you're Harry?

I asked that student to see the director after he upset the entire class one too many times. I was doing my job. The rest is a long extremely upsetting story.

Go ahead Raina . . . Fuck my day and yourself.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 20:56:41 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Now I WILL apologize....but i was only trying to m
Message:
make a point..........I NEVER ASSUMED ANYTHING!!!!
I only repeated some words that I BARELY payed any attention to.....

I haven't read your next post yet-I think I'll just sit this argument out.........

I hope I did not ruin your day by upsetting you so badly....

But maybe you could see my point?
You were doing the same thing to me (w/ less serious examples)
by misreading the details of my little life....

I am sorry if it has upset you this badly...
please keep in mind-I have NO idea what I may have been bringing up for you....

please feel better

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 16:08:49 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: Don't you hate some things people imply?
Message:
And also, are you implying that if one has an affair with someone that that gives them a right to terrorize you? Let me introduce you to a couple of my ex-'boy' friends, PLEASE!!

And I haven't had a 'boy'friend in over five years. The last one (a psychology professor) filed 4 false charges with the police against me. When I showed a picture of him to one of the police officers he dealt with the first time, her reaction was 'he looks normal there.'

And let me tell you about just a couple of other students I've had. At least two are in jail right now: One for stabbing his girlfriend to death, and the other was a Paul Bernardo wannabe who lived a few blocks from me.

And about the student I didn't have an affair with . . . when I asked some of his friends about him they told me he wasn't their friend and warned me not to contact the police because he was crazy and might come after me with a gun if I did. (I had already contacted the police because I finally (after about a year) had the calls traced. I ignored them and they didn't go away.

I hope you do.

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 21:04:30 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Stonor-I really didn't know how serious this was 4
Message:
for you....
I'm sorry to have provoked you this way..........

I was just playing with words to make my point...
I had no idea how traumatically I would offend you.

It's sometimes hard to tell when people are kidding around-
I thought JIM was kidding around....seriously the words caught my attention-
but I didn't really read on because it just seemed like you and JIM were
messing with each other....

I am sorry

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 15:09:33 (GMT)
From: R.D. Laing
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Don't you hate when people ASSUME?
Message:
Raina's a nasty piece of work (or a scrooge in her own words), obsessed with projection and hostility. Her cruel remarks to you are proof of her own hostility (which is why, I guess, she projects so much of it on to others). She might be intelligent, but it's used to ignorant ends, mainly to attack and hurt. That's the difference between intellectual intelligence and emotional intelligence. Can't win with Raina, so it's best to cut bait and fish. Off to the pond.
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 21:14:42 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: R.D. Laing
Subject: Exactly How Void Are you? Do you ever tell people
Message:
how that nasty little brain of yours works? or do you just go looking to attack and console strangers because you have absolutely nothing of any real value to say?

You might want to consider this:
That in order to 'hurt someone's feelings' they have to give a shit about your opinion. I gotta tell you. I'd end it once and for all if I were walking around with that sick little head of yours hearing voices telling me to bark at strangers, like the dog that you are.

Actually I take back the insult to dogs.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 03:11:43 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: GGGGGRRRRRRRROOOWWWWWWLLLLL
Message:
Who's barking at strangers Raina?

And I'm not particularly concerned about your opinion of me, but your flippant attack temporarily opened a wound that has just recently had a chance to begin to heal.

Back to my original point . . . you did the same thing to both the FA and Brian and a number of others at this forum. Ever wonder why you're lonely? I don't anymore. I'm sure other 'strangers' decide not to become one of your 'friends' and I wonder what that word means to you.

Your apology means shit to me Raina. I just hope you think even a little more next time you get the urge to spew more of your shit at strangers.

And I wish that some of your spamshit could be deleted too, but maybe it will help people to get a clearer picture of what 'Raina' is all about.

Stonor

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 11:17:02 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: Ever consider getting a rabies shot?
Message:
Did you ever consider getting a rabies shot?
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 03:35:08 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!! ARF!!
Message:
You are arguing for freedom of speech. There are people who don't like to post here, or stop entirely, because of aggressive verbal attacks from people who disagree with their opinion in some way. Freedom of speech is rather tenuous at best when people interpret it as the right to intimidate and attack others with words.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:06:44 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Ya I say Stonor should be in charge of determining
Message:
the boundaries of free speech....
cause you seem so...so......clear and together.........

last time I looked we ended our pointless waste of time conversation with
sory and goodbye....so am I the one who's looking to attack here and now little guy?
Or are you just a FUCKING NUTCASE!

Great COPS re-enactment story BTW
although I didn't bother to scan it more than 4 seconds...
I'm sure others were entertained.....

You like to lick your wounds in public don't you?
If only you could reach poor baby....

You're right my apology wasn't really sincere...
NOW I DON'T HAVE TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT hiding the truth from you!
It's such a tough call-when to let people have it when they are so obviously
on the brink.....

Do you really think I bothered to contemplate your warped little soap opera
with lovers and cops!!!....way too psycho for me hun....who exactly were you writing to when you SPEWED such pesonal details? me?

But part of me really did feel bad for you-while the other part thought
Wo! This guy is WAY gone.............

Do you think i feel UNPOPULAR!!!! That's TOO funny....
do you think i need you to tell me why I've chosen aloneness over friendships of
psyhopaths like yourself?!!!

A conversation with a lamp makes more sense than bothering
to figure out this crap you're TRYING to lay on me............

It's so sad to listen/read people who really believe that THEY are SO sincere....

(Libellous accusation removed - Forum Administrator)

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:05:06 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: raina
Subject: Ya I say Stonor should be in charge of determining
Message:
Err, excuse me for butting in, Raina. Stonor is actually a woman - I guess it isn't really all that apparent. Or maybe she is affecting it that way on purpose, who knows...
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:19:10 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Stonor has been butting itself in for days now....
Message:
I really don't care about Stonor's gender or her ridiculous and (gradually intensifying) attax...But that is a surprise to hear he's a she....

2-3 (?) weeks ago, after she had invited me to email privately, she wrote a long long long post, in response to someone else's taesing about her closeness with children....she went OFF. I didn't really pay much mind to it, but those few words made me think I'd rather not exchange private email with her.

It seems quite possible that this other person, may have been clueing me into Stonor-as being someone I might not want to just dive right into private emailing with.......i am grateful to say the least....

It's so strange to read these names RD Laing, Mon mot etc....asking that I be blocked.....
when I have never read ANYTHING of any sort of real contribution from them.

It seems incredibly perverse that this is the kind of dialogue they are OBVIOUSLY trying to reduce me to (i wouldn't take a word back mind you-just sucks to be vaccuumed up by Stonors psycho-games). Which BTW started with Stonor telling me I had 'gone too far' by calling the FA Idi Amin!

Why does Stonor always seem to be offering unasked for opinions? Even when I had originally tried to say something to appease and quiet her...she STILL insists on coming back for more!

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:39:33 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: raina
Subject: Stonor has been butting itself in for days now....
Message:
She's definitely a psycho - several different personalities/faces show up at different times. One is the 'I have no religion but God alone.' type. The other is the atheist/John Lennon fan one. One is the frustrated English teacher type. The other is the 'I wanna give everyone here a blow-job' type. Sheesh!
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:03:58 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Her malice is what gets me
Message:
I myself would rather feel comfortable enough to not worry about being called 'carzy' 10 times a day etc....so I wouldn't even hold the nuttiness against Stonor's many personalities...

But their is something else, something very sinister going on with her that I'll call malice....and I will admit, if I'm confronted by such a thing, even if it's sweet lil' ol'
SB the forum mini-skirt....I will become no holds barred.....

Did you happen to read that LONG post she put here a few weeks ago, about some strange affair with a student of hers? Part of me thought she was kidding....but.....now i really wonder.....

It figures that all this energy would go into shooting rubber bullets at me
instead of questioning what that was really all about....

but anyway...i'd rather believe Stonor is NOT a, um, you-know, and move-on.....

thanx for the back up Mili....but I'm really getting sick of this place!

I can get as ugly as anyone wants to make me....but it seems foolish to
waste my time....as if they have some sort of WWA thing going on!

fuck competing...i was looking for some real brain activity you know?

but thanks again for your funny post in all this darkness!

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:55:07 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Raina: What is it with you???
Message:
But their is something else, something very sinister going on with her that I'll call malice....and I will admit, if I'm confronted by such a thing, even if it's sweet lil' ol'
SB the forum mini-skirt....I will become no holds barred.....

What is it with your mind??? Bipolar disorder?

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:29:59 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: raina
Subject: Her malice is what gets me
Message:
No problem Raina, chum. It feels good to read your stuff.

This place is like one of those Haunted Houses at a carnival. You go for a ride and all sorts of abominations leer at you. It can be fun at first, but it gets boring after a while. You always know what's coming next.

Take care, and drop me a line if you feel like it.

Mili

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:56:53 (GMT)
From: Look who is talking
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: You are the Main Clown here....nt
Message:
SB
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:59:25 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: New Life
Message:
I am SO proud of the 'Stonor's Fingering Me' joke with it's double-entendre meanings! but could be asking for trouble? I LOVE WORDS!

I really am getting something out of all of this, this Haunted House....

Where I might like to pretend we are all in a big think tank, and exploring and trying out this idea and that idea...and laughing (or sometimes crying) at the whole thing...I realize that these muggles who live to cause trouble are ALWAYS going to be there EVERYWHERE, turning the subject into cursing matches.....because they are prisoners of their little secrets...which I shouldn't belittle...but I'm feeling to cynical at the moment...

I've always wanted to just be in an arena where people keep pushing the limits (not with the intention or GOAL of hurting feelings-but understanding that's a side effect etc) for the purpose of keeping the muscle of intelligence from atrophying.....but....

muggle central is the rule.....

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:58:03 (GMT)
From: Somebody there????
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: New Life? Off the wagon....nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 20:32:42 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: raina
Subject: New Life
Message:
I know of a place where some decent intelligent discussion is going on - there's a link to the Pantheist Movement on my homepage Mili's Page, and they have a discussion Forum set up. There's an anti-guru strain there too, mind you - but it's a much less hostile environment and some nice people there, too. Check it out.

Mili

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:36:18 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Raina Terror..
Message:
Raina:

Because you haven't read anything by me just means you haven't been here long enough to catch anything I've posted. I've been posting far longer than you've been here; I just post infrequently, so don't go acting like some expert on F5. It's obvious from reading your posts in this thread that you're mean-spirited at least and psycho at best.

And speaking of you having never 'read ANYTHING of any sort of real contribution from them,' I suggest you take a gander at yourself and your alleged 'real' contributions, other than OT bullshit, out of line accusations, and a suggestion that Stonor kill herself.

Oh, yes, such a REAL contributor you are.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:27:29 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: It's like being yelled at by a cartoon baby with a
Message:
cigar!

Oh shit! I SO wanted to be percieved by everyone as an F5 expert!
This WAS my ONLY goal in being here! Now you've REALLY embarrassed me!
You meanie beanie!
you mean after 3 weeks I'm not eligible for my green belt?

Maybe Wal-Mart would be able to help you find those DEPENZ?

'Jump and get it over with!'

now sweetie? where do you see the words 'Go kill yourself'?
But if that's what you think would be best for you?

I'm growing to love my country's constitustion more and more....

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 17:02:53 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Raina: What heppened to you?
Message:
Is this the real you? If you continue you'll end up talking to the walls....

Most of your stuff is naughty!!

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:41:01 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: I can't speak for raina
Message:
but in the past I have been goaded and prompted and pushed to the edge to where I have said things that were extreme. It takes two.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:30:38 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: So, the, what did I do...
Message:
to deserve her crap???

Don't get it....

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:59:51 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: SB hi I am such an addict
Message:
Mother's day! I am leaving in an hour. I should have already been getting in the shower, etc.. So if I don't answer that is why.
I don't know what happened between you two. How could I?
This place is insane. It's amazing you and I have stuck it out, I think because we got to know each other some in email and have a basis for friendship and trust.
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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:01:49 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: congratulations! you've all gotten your wish I'm B
Message:
It would appear that I've been officially 'blocked', as 'Blocked from Readin and Postin' now comes up when I come here (signed by Brian)....

I'm sorry I couldn't come up with more intelligent ways of defending
myself against things like 'Raina and Mila K-I-S-S-I-N-G' posts from RD Laign and the rest
of the sorry people I will SO miss our back and forths....

p.s. katie-ya I know what it's like to be spit on by M and have to
start over again......you have to deal w/ bullshit like this.....

interesting to know SB doesn't speak english-that does explain
the stupidity i sense....but her seeing to it that I am blocked
doesn't make that assumption go away.....

ciao....
It's really been an honor...
to have been disgarded like trash by trash.....
i will SO miss the abuse....not
there was no real worthwhile exchanges going on anyway.

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 10:08:44 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: RAINA's IQ??? 0
Message:
Raina darling said:

interesting to know SB doesn't speak english-that does explain
the stupidity i sense....but her seeing to it that I am blocked
doesn't make that assumption go away.....

This comment says it all about your intelligence, mostly because it speaks of the power of generalization you use in your language: Amazing! Keep it up because you are improving! Your observation that I'm a foreigner therefore I'm stupid is proof of that... Where did you educate yourself? Harvard? I'm impressed!

Take a brake and realize that the game you are playing is silly, would you?

You are not blocked!!! hahahaha.... more assumptions.

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:48:06 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: that was NEvER my wish and you know it!!
Message:
and you aren't blocked if you are posting, or am I nuts?
well i am nuts. But anyway. Hi raina.
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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:12:31 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Raina, you are NOT blocked!
Message:
The whole forum was LOCKED to reading and posting by everyone while Brian was working on the software. See his post above.

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 23:53:06 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: 'She' began to talk about...
Message:
me to others, making fun of me? Aspirant, right?

Happy mother's day!

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:51:28 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: you too SB did you do anything or is that son of
Message:
yours still being a jerk to you?
I just got back from dinner and DID NOT get drunk!!
gonna watch a movie soon. I hope today was tolerable for you. I know holidays are very hard for you. This is the first year in ages and ages that any holidays at ALL have been even remotely OK and believe you me it has been a long long haul so I do sympathize.
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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:11:37 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: 'She' began to talk about...
Message:
that's right SB-I started the whole thing....
you didn't stick your silly little unasked for commentary
where it wasn't needed.....I cried out or you to come and join
in the fun!
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:08:51 (GMT)
From: St. Raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Thanx Selene! But it's like talking to walls here!
Message:
Now I've gone and said mean things about poor little SB who never (usually) is mean to anyone....the stupidity of her statements to me just pushed me over the limit.....

This is as sucko as it is boring...get out while you still can!

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:00:08 (GMT)
From: Listen Brains, not
Email: None
To: St. Raina
Subject: You better cool it!!
Message:
There is enough evidence of what you are doing and I do not agree with your freedoms around here. Watch it!

SB

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 19:13:40 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: St. Raina
Subject: well talk about yuck it's mother's day so...
Message:
I think i'll take you up on that! i'll go be matronly. sigh.
my son is cooking for us. I should get drunk and cause a scene, a funny one I mean. haha can you picture it now? eeeeekkkkkk!!
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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 00:27:33 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: been there, done that...
Message:
...and I'm sure you have too. Parents passing out in their plates at family dinners may be traditional, but I vote for a new tradition (snicker).

Hope you had a happy mother's day, Selene!
Love,
Katie

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 04:56:29 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: thank god we/I haven't passed on the traditions
Message:
Had a *wonderful* evening with both sons they and my daugher-in-law are as zany as I am . We are all nuts, creative, yet in some way in our bodies and ok with life. My youngest is on his way to summer stock.
Ryan is 2 years old in July. It's all so amazing. NO ONE got drunk! Yeah Katie, hopefully something changes and grows with each generation. I am seeing it and it means a lot to me.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 22:57:19 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: well talk about yuck it's mother's day so...
Message:
I should get drunk and cause a scene, a funny one I mean. haha can you picture it now? ?

Yes

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:58:38 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Forum Adminstrator: Please Take Note
Message:
FA:
I think this thread should be deleted, or Raina should be blocked, or both. She has just accused Stonor of pedophilia and has suggested that Stonor kill herself. I think this form of communication (or the lack thereof, more appropriately) should be verboten on any forum. It is beyond the pale that Raina should suggest someone take her life, and if you read the post, you will see that it is not in jest. I can take a sick joke with the best of them, but the only sick thing here appears to be Raina.

Thanks

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 12:49:23 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: Forum Adminstrator: Please Take Note
Message:
Thanks Monmot, but this should stand at least long enough for everyone to get a good look at the real raina.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 13:57:09 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: all
Subject: To All
Message:
Thanks to stopping by AG first, where there has been a discussion of raina for a couple of days, and by reading some of your reactions to her recent posts, I haven't had to read them myself to get a good idea of what's been happening. She's exceeded even my expectations of her reaction. (And I haven't bothered to read Mili's either - I already know what to expect from him - see above, for example).

Outrageous accusations and insults indicate no knowledge of the person they are aimed at and absolutely no grounding in any fact, and are therefore hardly as upsetting as complete distortions of those that have. Both say much more about the person spewing them than the target of their malicious spite. Unfortunately the ugliness of these kinds of posts is upsetting for any relatively 'normal' person who reads them, IMO, and smears their negative energy into others' lives.

Stonor

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:36:31 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: I agree,, way too unconscious Raina !!! nt
Message:
cool it
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 00:42:07 (GMT)
From: R.D. Laing
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Woof! Raina, Sorry But U Give Nasty New Meaning nt
Message:
bow wow
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:21:25 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: R.D. Laing
Subject: It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it!
Message:
Ya, It's tough to tell it like it is...especially when you're talking to the deaf....
who even seem like they are dangerously spiteful and vindictive......

why don't you just go away?

But I should also tell youI feel like a scientist in a controlled area observing pure misguided hatred from you....

feel free to go on.....it's fascinating..........

we may come up with a cure!

do you hear voices?

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 10:44:44 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Turn that around
Message:
Raina,

You use phrases like 'dangerously spiteful and vindictive'. Are you able to look at yourself and say that that is not how you behave on this forum?

I have been in that space myself on here at times and it doesn't make me feel that great neither does it make the other person feel so good.

Maybe the anything goes hellhole would be more suitable for you as you don't often express anything on topic here.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 15:21:46 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: I shouldn't bother to respond to this trap....
Message:
I'm not even going to bother letting myself get further dragged down into this pointless bore....

if you are really THAT lacking in more interesting (OT) subject matter yourself...take a look at Stonor's posts to me starting last thursday......and notice that she is actively TRYING to incite a problem with me...determined to get me over to AG's (HELL HOLE!) so I can see how hated I am!

It's just too funny!

You people are making me see how wonderful my life really is in fact....and ironically the world is mad up of the same screwed up sociopaths who are determined to keep all the attention on themselves! By BOTHERING to respond to all this bullshit YOU ALL are deliberately taking me off topic! (What is IMO BTW?). The Crucible!!!!

For a week, my topic of interest has had to to do with 'The Cult of Personality and Theft of Intellectual Property'......I never got to explain why I think it has something to do with 'Elan Vital' because instead I'm baing bashed by the likes of you all (esp STONOR and RD Laing who started the whole thing...)

Is it because you yourselves have NOTHING more interesting to do or contribute that you need to force the continuation of this thread?

The only reason I DO believe this all is SO on topic is that I think it's sociologically FASCINATING to see such warped individuals accuse Maharaji of ruining their lives....when it seems more and more obvious that some of these people have no one driving....

If Stonor didn't want people asking about her 'affair with a student' why did she post all that SORDID info a few weeks ago?

Because it was SO OT?

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 08:46:21 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it!
Message:
In mi opinion, you went too far!!

Sincerelly,

SB

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:04:22 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it!
Message:
Please enlighten her and show her how far she should have gone, SB, and why.

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but I find your comment strange coming from someone who has also personally experienced abuse both here and in the 'real' world.

Stonor

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 17:00:29 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: It's a tough job. But someone's gotta do it!
Message:
What do you mean? I was telling Raina she went too far telling you to kill yourself: IMO that is mean....
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 18:50:57 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Stonor's Fingering Me!
Message:
Is there a difference between sarcastically suggesting someone put an end to their misery and actually using the words 'GO KILL YOURSELF'?

Do you remember Preemie's incoherent poetry last week?
where you commented 'Are you on something?'

Well, because I simply felt that an FA was being unfairly judgemental by removing those posts
I have been brought into this downward spiral of Stonor hell.....

I don't expect you to bother actually reading the chronological order of how
things escalated and see that Stonor brought this on itself...and how I actually did make
an attempt to comfort stonor for her 'problem'.

You asked me in another post 'Is this REALLY you'?
what ARE you trying to say?
you've never heard me be sarcastic before!
(why not ask stonor if school teacher is the best
position for herself! It's Save A Child's Life Day!)

Or are you trying to play that 'Take Sides' game
that silly children fall for?

This whole experience is getting too boring and too pointless
way too quickly.......(unless of course the FBI is here reading
Stonor's confessions-It's not like I wasn't just repeating what
she said!)

I came here to look for clues about what happened to my life
after meeting Maharaji-and instead I'm being confronted by
the stupidest pointless psychotic warped people in this thread?
(you know who you aren't)......

people who have NOTHING to say or really offer anyone-
all YOU ever do is cheerlead-'Go so and so! You tell 'em!'

You seem as sweet however as you do vapid....and so I never
had the need to tell you so.....

Talking to you IS talking to a wall!

But before you really start thinking I have ANY desire WHATSOEVER
to engage in further 5th grade conversations with you or anyone on this thread-
I suggest you don't bother responding....

as I've really had enough of this pointlessness...
and I'm sorry to be the one to actually tell you this-
but I came here, to this site, looking for some answers....
not to give them.

P.S. My apologies for not being up front with you
and telling you sooner the VAPID CHEERLEADER thing. Didn't see the point....
but since you ask.....cheers.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:05:23 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Raina: No comment....YOU ARE THE WALL...
Message:
Mind your own business, would you? Get help: the ones close to you, if any, will be happy...
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:45:11 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: too funny-you have to repeat MY words to insult me
Message:
you're so cute-
I'd hate to inspire you to get better at exchanging insults!
(or more original)

thanx for the 'get help' advice....
it's really has me contemplating all that I'm missing out on.
Like having fascinating relationships with people like you.
(maybe after years of therapy I can look forward to holidaze
and soirees at SB's!)

and the 'Watch it' threat?
why did you stop there?
what is it you want me to watch?!
you grow a brain?

if the words just aren't there for you, how quickly do you resort to violence?

Well look at that that! We may be on to a cure for political assasinations!
(the mind of the mindless)

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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 00:10:46 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: defending SB
Message:
Hi Raina -
Before you go farther in your words against SB, there are a couple of things I think you should consider.

First, English is NOT SB's first language, although she can express herself in English a hell of a lot better than I can in any other language. But SB herself will say that she is not that fluent in it, especially when writing forum posts.

Second, I have met SB in person, and she's definitely not the follower/cheerleader type. It may SEEM that way from her posts, but part of that is the expression problem. She's got a lot to say about what happened to her, and a lot of original ideas and opinions.

Finally, I think part of the problem - although maybe not with you in particular (so please do not take this personally) - is that, in general, the people who gave up the most of their lives to Maharaji and his organization are the most angry with him. I personally can't imagine what it would be like to be devoted to someone or something for 20 or 25 years, to make MAJOR life decisions based on this belief, and then to realize that he wasn't what you thought he was, and that you'd been living life under false pretences. There are so many people on the forum who have had to start life over at age 35, 40, 45, 50. It is extremely difficult - and I was extremely lucky to be able to get out at a younger age. Even though I didn't realize it at the time, I sure do now after hearing and reading what these people go through.

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 21:55:04 (GMT)
From: Watch it because
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: There is a forum administrador.....nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:14:28 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Watch it because
Subject: USE YOUR NAME NOW SB! U KNOW THE RULES!
Message:
blah blah blah
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 04:51:13 (GMT)
From: R.D. Laing
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: I Certainly Don't Hear As Many Voices As You Do,
Message:
You're way out of line accusing someone of pedophilia and suggesting that she kill herself. You're in need of serious help and I suggest that you get some forthwith. For someone who is enamored of accusing people of projection and hostility, you certainly indulge in your fair share of both. You are one sick puppy. Your behavior is unconscionable.

This is one thread which needs to be deleted because if your idea of freedom of speech is to hurl unjust accusations and encourage suicide, then I suggest you visit the appropriate hate site where your incoherent ramblings and spewings will be welcomed with open arms. Those people will gladly bend over for you, but don't ever think that we will. And please don't hide behind the infurled banner of freedome of speech as so many bullies like you do.

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 16:39:10 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: R.D. Laing
Subject: Two People Talking
Message:
sweetie-
if you and i sat down to coffe and i said something like
'nice shirt!'
you'd hurl yourself over table to choke me......

'Jump and get it over with!'?
how do you know I didn't mean
'Take a leap of faith' and 'jump to another thread'?

I KNOW HOW! It's because YOU
think Stonor would be better off dead!
Why RD Laing! You should be ashamed!

I'm suddely realizing why intelligence is so limited
in media.....because people like you hold everyone back.
with your ugly vile misguided way of looking for trouble....

I guess I bother to respond because I resent that reality so much-
and see you (dime a dozen that you are) as a rep of that bigger enemy.

oh! are we bitter cause Maharji didn't invite us over to
his house! 'But M? Why don't you like ME best!' said RD.
Standing in a puddle of urine.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 21:25:25 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Thank you Brian! (and hey Raina!)
Message:
Thank you Brian!

I was, with no pleasure, imagining re-writing a few posts - it takes me a little more time than some others, it seems.

Again much appreciation for yours and all FAs' ongoing efforts.

Stonor


And Raina,

Do you realize that none of the people who set up and maintain this site are getting paid for their work? Talk about Self-Indulgence Inc.! Funny at times . . . but there's a fine line that you just crossed today IMO.

And have you considered checking out the

Anything Goes Forum?

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 14:35:47 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Stonors determined to get me over to AG since b4 t
Message:
the little 'exchange'....

she obviously has been looking to incite problems....

I haven't even read any of Stonors posts for weeks, let alone
bother responding to them.....

so why is she SO determined to get me over to AG? To see
LOTS of people ganging up on raina!

The 'Safety in Numbers' mentality of these ex-premies....is hideously ugly with or without Maharaji....it's too sad that they're all running some sort of popularity contest amongst themselves....

I'm going back to the archives to read that Stonor letter where she talks about the affair with her student....I guess if that information is out of bounds she shouldn't have posted it? I remember reading it and thinking 'No Way! I'm not understanding this properly'. and then reading it again and thinking to myself...'Wo! I almost started a correspondence with a potentially dangerous person....'

I certainly didn't have the need to post that FEELING then.....and when I become Stonor's target, for NO GOOD reason..........all's fair............

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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 22:21:37 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: you are welcome over there -selene paranoid rant
Message:
I think stoner is pals with the forum god of AG and that is why.
But so what? Most of the participants HATE political correctness, hate boring stiflied crap and wel cant' stand ...... fill in the blank.
And love your writing. That is my take on 'stoner's agenda.'
i'm supposed to log off now
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Date: Mon, May 15, 2000 at 01:20:44 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I think I'm just gonna do a sunset ending......
Message:
this was way too weird....
the k-i-ss-i-n-g thing sums it up.............

it was like Maharaji all over again in a way!

it was great meeting you tho....
all the best to you (and that shit!)
i'm sure you have at least 25 years!

ciao 4 alwayz,
raina

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:03:49 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Even tho Brian is obviously capable and objective
Message:
the FA who had a 'software glitch' today, was doing nothing less than making PERSONAL UNOBJECTIVE taste choices about who should be heard and who should be ignored(in their OWN opinion!-that doesn't bother you?) Somehow that is now being explained away as if it were 'corruption' problems........

What is it that I am being so 'self-indulgent' about in your mind? My very first question to the FA was polite and unfettered.......(then out of the Blue RD Laing starts attacking me? But he's not walking a fine line for looking for pointless fights and arguments?)

The very FIRST explanation was that 'while trying to edit out Preemie' (which was something that would bother no one-ask SB-she jokingly asked if he was 'on something? nt' and that was it!

I'm walking a fine line? You mean YOUR fine line?
Or is this just yet another 'woops. I didn't realize that. and needed to tell you off for no good reason ex-premie cliche tradition?'

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 01:59:57 (GMT)
From: Forum Adminstrator
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Even tho Brian is obviously capable and objective
Message:
Raina,

Even you admitted that Preemie's posts were incoherent. What was so wrong about tidying up a little? We have had situations here where incoherence like Preemie's infested every single thread. Weeding such rubbish out before it does infest the whole forum seems to me to be a good thing. I really don't understand why you have a problem with this.

Can't you focus on what this forum is about instead of attacking people who keep it going?

FA

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:16:46 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Hey,raina and I made-up,right raina?
Message:
We really did on one of the voided posts.
I made the first move and asked her permission,didn't I raina?

I'm not making this up...come on raina tell 'em.

(In real life I whine alot.)

It comes across,doesn't it. We're all multi-faceted remember.That's just one side of my shiny diamond.

Elaine B.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 21:56:14 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Oh, the posts reappeared, you were all at work( nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:30:50 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: You have to be fucking kidding!
Message:
because 'preemie' wrote 5 harmless nonseniscal sentences about basketball
(or whatever he was talking about) you decided you had to CENSOR? EDIT and end up interfering in other people's ongoing ccommunication?

you have to be fucking kidding?

you should identify yourself and warn people when you're working-so we'll know better than to waste our time posting -in case YOU don't approve!

how the fuck do you know if Preemie wasn't saying something that someone else got the point of?

absoutely criminal

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:43:38 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: You have to be fucking kidding!
Message:
No, I'm not kidding. This forum gets spammed with nonsense like Preemie's every few months and to save everyone's time such posts are deleted. Normally of course, it doesn't result in the shit that happened this time.

Yes, this forum is censored. Threats are removed, personal addresses are removed, spamming is removed, and off topic garbage from complete strangers is removed. All as and when the forum administrators have time.

You are of course free not to like this.

FA

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 18:59:26 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Unbelievable! SAVE TIME you say!? Idi Amin!!!!
Message:
no one had even used one 4 letter word!
NO ONE was threatened

and how was it you KNEW that Preemies post weren't meant for someone who WOULD undertand?

THAT IS THE QUESTION YOU NEED TO ANSWER!

who EXACTLY's 'time' are you trying to save
oh great lord of the clock!

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 00:21:31 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Unbelievable! SAVE TIME you say!? Idi Amin!!!!
Message:
Preemies post was a crock of shit, irrelevant and a waste of space. Then he had the temerity to post another message almost immediately along the same lines. I say well done FA.
Despite that raina, I love the 'Idi Amin.' Good one.
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