Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Tues, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:30:47 (GMT)
From: May 25, 2000 To: Jun 03, 2000 Page: 2 Of: 5


GAC -:- Just write to AL for copyright info! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:15:23 (GMT)
__ blood -:- thanks for the link......CA corporate registry -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 01:20:20 (GMT)
__ __ x ray vision -:- yes!! thanks for the link -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 19:28:03 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- And Dunrite is Eversound -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 18:16:50 (GMT)
__ __ GAC -:- You're Welcome! Happy Trailings (nt) -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:40:05 (GMT)

Sir David -:- You gotta be joking, Maharaji -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 18:16:29 (GMT)

blood -:- insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:55:36 (GMT)
__ cq -:- insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:37:40 (GMT)
__ __ Elaine -:- insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:28:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Where did Elaine go? Elaine....nt -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 18:52:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Where did Elaine go? Elaine....nt -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 22:13:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- How naive do you like it, Elaine? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:21:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- You know me so well,Jim -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:04:58 (GMT)
__ Monmot -:- Memorial Day -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:14:42 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Patience and worth it -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:02:42 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- A few thoughts .... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 08:26:27 (GMT)

AJW -:- The War is Over. How much do we want? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:00:59 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Punitive Damages -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 22:31:11 (GMT)
__ __ But, Nothing -:- is on his name: I bet!! nt -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:28:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Why are you hiding all over? Mr/Ms Nameless??nt -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 16:04:46 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- I just want to record a bit in his studio -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 05:16:16 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Dear Santa... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 11:02:41 (GMT)
__ (Sir) David -:- The War is Over. How much do we want? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:52:13 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Agreed. Bugger the money... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:57:59 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- The War is Over. Long live the war? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:25:25 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Well said Sir Dave (best of?) -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 01:08:59 (GMT)
__ Ged -:- The War is Over. How much do we want? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:01:49 (GMT)
__ Gail -:- The War is Over. How much do we want? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:57:58 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- He has no plan...never has had one... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:49:05 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Is it not very childish? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 07:42:56 (GMT)
__ CPA -:- The War is Over. How much do we want? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:50:41 (GMT)
__ __ Helen -:- The War is Over. How much do we want? -:- Thurs, Jun 01, 2000 at 01:03:12 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- How much do we want? Damn good question. -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:41:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ Q -:- Pound of flesh discounted to... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 19:48:25 (GMT)
__ __ Zelda -:- Brockovitch,Brockovitch,Brockovitch Brockovitch -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:33:17 (GMT)
__ __ Forever Damaged -:- but I'll take the singing daughter-Maya ?(nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 16:11:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Daya/Dayalata....nt -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:32:04 (GMT)

cq -:- Poolside paparrazi pic - just in! must see! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:08:45 (GMT)
__ Pauline Premie -:- I just wet my pants.... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:31:18 (GMT)

Anarchist -:- 'Not Maharaji's mixed bag' back online -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:05:31 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Absolutely Fabulous! You are the ***BEST*** -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:49:34 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- you are the best -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:52:28 (GMT)
__ __ (Sir) David -:- When will Maharaji learn -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:07:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- who could resist an offer like that? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 02:15:03 (GMT)

JohnT -:- Copyright - DCMA excert -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 07:58:29 (GMT)
__ Zelda -:- Fraudulent Bluff Baffles -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:36:02 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Yes, number 4 the potential market -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:11:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- bingo, Rog. -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:12:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Zelda -:- bingo, Rog. -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 08:45:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- bingo, Rog. -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 15:27:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- bingo, Rog. -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 18:37:42 (GMT)

Jim -:- Well what do you know? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:06:17 (GMT)
__ Forum Admin -:- Just a bit of house tidying -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 19:26:41 (GMT)
__ __ Boy George -:- U 4 got the police brutality -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:26:07 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Thanks, FA -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:54:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- and thanks very much for archiving :) (nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:35:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Forum Admin -:- and thanks very much for archiving :) (nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 22:36:02 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Well I understoof it, ok... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:44:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- I think that Nigel has found the way -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:14:23 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Big bad Jim scared all traces of him away(nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:08:00 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- No, not at all. The post disappeared (nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 07:32:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Coach -:- Have you been workin' too hard , Jim? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:34:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- Yes, a George passed by....... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:41:08 (GMT)

Nigel -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:27:14 (GMT)
__ Chopped Liver -:- What to do about human posters... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 19:58:13 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Respect has to be earned, Prem -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 21:08:27 (GMT)
__ __ Is called -:- Disrespect for the ideology, NOT People nt -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:43:36 (GMT)
__ Deputy Dog -:- Hey Nigel, what am I here? Chopped liver? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:59:23 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Chopped? No Prem, I heard it was pickled... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:33:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- I know who I am . . . -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:57:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Pay attention, Prem -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:07:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Paying attention is one thing....... -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 03:30:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- And avoiding questions is another -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 03:41:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Everyone has a right to legal recourse (nt) -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 17:48:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You're a wimp, Dog -:- Thurs, Jun 01, 2000 at 01:11:11 (GMT)
__ Simon Satsang -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:17:45 (GMT)
__ __ Elaine -:- premie posters...huh??? Nigel?... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:51:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Jokes on you, Elaine -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:14:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- No way, really? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:09:15 (GMT)
__ __ DeProGram Anand Ji -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:14:40 (GMT)
__ __ ET -:- It's a joke, right? (nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:04:28 (GMT)
__ __ Anoder premy -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:29:11 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- and THAT is THE way it is... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:20:38 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:56:41 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Whow!! Excellent post!! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:50:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Whow!! Excellent post!! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:07:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- I'm glad neither threatened legal action then.(nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:41:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- Whow!! Excellent post!! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 14:51:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Whow!! Excellent post!! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:09:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Whow!! Excellent post!! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 16:13:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- I reposted one of Anth's cuz it deserved it. -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:51:53 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- What a great post by Anth... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:20:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Happy -:- What a great post by Anth... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:43:38 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:59:01 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:17:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Bjorn's reply to previous... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:10:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:07:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- What to do about premie posters... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:25:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ blood -:- What to do about premie pornstars... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:13:12 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- that stuff can all be faked to verying degrees -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:05:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- that stuff can all be faked to verying degrees -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:59:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- I like that idea! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:10:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hot days... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:56:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- you even got me to 'view images' -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:03:55 (GMT)

Hal -:- Sickening beyond belief !! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:47:03 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Thank you, Hal -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:06:12 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Hey, I'm going sue you, too! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:35:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- The best defense against libel is the truth... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:13:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- The best defense against libel is the truth... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:33:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- that's been bothering me too -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:38:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Complicated issue -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:58:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- ... and the truth is -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 13:06:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Proud to be two-bit -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:28:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- I must brush up on my American-English! (nt) -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:25:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Thick as a plank -:- The best defense against libel is the toilet -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:30:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Nothing lost, source files are safely backed up -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 19:39:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- The best defense against libel is the toilet -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:31:43 (GMT)
__ Ralph -:- Sickening beyond belief !! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:01:54 (GMT)

Zelda -:- Anyone posted the Letter from the lawyers yet? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:36:22 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Anyone posted the Letter from the lawyers yet? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:54:31 (GMT)
__ __ Mickey the Mole -:- Photos -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:11:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Photos -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:01:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ GAC -:- Photos - Maybe Al owns the copyrights? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:02:01 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- The Digital Millenium Copyright Act -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:01:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ How stupid -:- is it possible to be? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:30:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hey Prem Rawat - you're stupid too, remember..! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:16:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Pretty stupid, apparently! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 17:45:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- And specifically... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:03:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- got that part -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:17:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Intimidation didn't work. Then what's next? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:01:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- got that part -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:42:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- what I know is... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:33:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Did you get my mail? nt -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:38:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Putting a fine point on it -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:17:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- what I know is... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:39:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- what I know is... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:45:22 (GMT)

Daneane -:- On Scientologists from LA Weekly -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:37:15 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Maharaji is one step closer to Scientologists now -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:53:00 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Homework assignment on Scientology and Court -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:06:45 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- The BIG WHAT IF - What if Maharaji is a nobody? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:10:25 (GMT)
__ I lisp -:- The BIGGER WHAT IF - Roger E Drek is a nobody? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:43:19 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Hey Prem Rawat! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:38:15 (GMT)
__ __ Mickey the Mole -:- So how do you 'responsibly' explain this? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:10:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- DVD - I wonder what the special features are? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:19:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mickey the Mole -:- No this is the REAL DEAL -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:35:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Not sure -:- A Question -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:58:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- DVD... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:44:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mickey the Mole -:- Yeah but think of the economics -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:57:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- From what new locations?? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:07:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mickey the Mole -:- Probably from his luxury yacht! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:19:33 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Ha, that's just so funny -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:48:22 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Where do they get these people? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:31:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Howard Stern -:- Where do they get these people? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:10:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hey Prem Rawat! -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:33:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Centre yourself Howard -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:39:40 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Remember 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?' -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:27:10 (GMT)
__ __ Roger Nobody eDrek -:- Thanks, Jim. But, damnit I'm a nobody and I'm bad -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:12:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ U Thunt -:- Thanks, Jim. But, damnit I'm a nobody and I'm bad -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 08:16:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Liar! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:38:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Thunt -:- Higher! -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:31:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Bullshit -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:23:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ U Thunt -:- Bullshit -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 02:13:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- No, dude, common sense -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 03:08:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ U Thunt -:- No, dude, me and George, Mahogany Lumberjacks! -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 10:27:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- As the worm turns -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:27:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hey Prem Rawat! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:40:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gregg -:- U thunk it, we dunk it -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 14:02:27 (GMT)


Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:15:23 (GMT)
From: GAC
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Just write to AL for copyright info!
Message:
Dunrite

Corporation
DUNRITE PRODUCTIONS, INC.
Number: C1435503Date Filed: 4/29/1988Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Mailing Address
PO BX 6998
THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91359
Agent for Service of Process
ALVARO PASCOTTO ESQ
1800 AVENUE OF THE STARS STE 600
LOS ANGELES, CA 90067

  • For information about certification of corporate records or for additional corporate information, please refer to Corporate Records

    Wahadamar


    Corporation
    WAHADAMAR, INC.
    Number: C1710708Date Filed: 8/3/1992Status: active
    Jurisdiction: California
    Mailing Address
    PO BOX 1437
    THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91358
    Agent for Service of Process
    ALVARO PASCOTTO
    1800 AVENUE OF THE STARS #600
    LOS ANGELES, CA 90067

    • For information about certification of corporate records or for additional corporate information, please refer to Corporate Records

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 01:20:20 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: GAC
Subject: thanks for the link......CA corporate registry
Message:
GAC...what a coincidence...I have been searching for this very link in my inquiries regarding Alpen Sun and pure voice...the registrants of the M.org web sites. Anxious to see what trails of deception the state corporate registry holds.

Thanks so much for the information.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 19:28:03 (GMT)
From: x ray vision
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: yes!! thanks for the link
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 18:16:50 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: blood
Subject: And Dunrite is Eversound
Message:
Eversound, that good old fashioned newage music.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:40:05 (GMT)
From: GAC
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: You're Welcome! Happy Trailings (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 18:16:29 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: You gotta be joking, Maharaji
Message:
People who once worked 'in the world' wearing Guru Maharaj Ji badges and took all the flak from their co-workers and still gave them satsang - such people aren't going to be intimidated by a few threats of litigation.

Such people as those who sold 'Divine Times' on the streets in the evening after working all day in some God-forsaken satanic mill to earn money to give to Guru Maharaj ji - such people are a bit stronger than you give them credit for, Maharaji and they won't just put up and shut up quite so easily.

Why the Hell did you think you could get away with lying and cheating us? You know what you did, you know how you conned us into giving our lives to the living Lord and now it's pay back time, brother.

No hard feelings though...

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:55:36 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment...
Message:
Memorial Day Diatribe only for those with patience

The right to freedom of expression concerning religious or spiritual belief was protected by the framers of the U.S. Constitution in an effort to create a country in which pursuit of belief could occur. Recognition of an innate drive within many human beings to understand their place in the cosmos, the framers of the constitution sought to insure the safety of all religious and spiritual pursuit.

This created fertile ground for the enterprises of religion and spiritualists. Inadvertently this protection of thought and religion allowed for only simplistic evaluation of the enterprises which would claim rights under the law as religious institutions.

Claims of spiritual authority have never been provable in courts of law or scientific journals. The combination of the innate drive to understand the indefinable and mean desire of religious and spiritual enterprises has produced cess pools of protectd wealth which are allowed to beckon unwary seekers into the quicksands of their unsubstantiable claims.

In this constitutionally protected fertile ground of deception not just one but many, many charlatans have claimed the energy and resources of truth seekers. Once the bait of supreme spiritual awareness or connection is cast into the waters of the human condition those who are curious to find the elusive truth will sniff the bait. It is the human condition to seek.

Because the standards for qualification as a spiritual teacher or religious organization are off limits to government scrutiny for the most part. Anyone who has some clever new snake oil to sell can take advantage of the status. Once the authority of the larger entity, the government is gained the valid status the religious order is confirmed.

The hook is baited for the curious questioner in a tricky way. The burden of proof is transferred upon the questioner. Issues of his faith, his ability to perceive so-called spiritual subtleties are called to task. He is handed a huge fantasy to begin to verify using the logic, also provided by the purveyor of the fantasy.

Group dynamics play an important role in this stage of the entrappment. Another inherent human need is acceptance by others. Once an individual has stepped forth to examine a spiritual belief or fantasy the organization delivers unto him testimonials and illustrative suggestions about the belief or fantasy. Acceptance in the group and agreement with the group supply motivation to follow the oft times convoluted logic and distorted reality which the group collectively accepts.

It is extremely difficult to quantify or qualify spiritual notions when reliance on the understanding of relative terms such as 'love', 'god', 'feeling', 'truth' is required

Wisdom, sophistication and education are not qualities which work well within these groups. The inverse is true. Accepting the party line, learning to explain everything according to scripture, and parroting the authorities of the organization insure acceptance by the group while at the same time undermining the individuals emotional and mental integrity.

Once a person has had a testimonial evoked from him or herself he or she has effectively lied. After telling that first lie the individual must continue to contrive an ever growing convolution of explanations and reasoning in order to sustain. Acceptance within the group.

A particulary clever dynamic of many of these spiritual and religious organizations is to rely heavily upon the qualities of the members purity and focus as the determining factors in unlocking the otherwise unprovable and undemonstrable truth.

The spiritual and religious movements industry is a multi billion dollar weekly enterprise in this country. Ever one of the latest methods of collection from e-commerce to dropping money in a basket, to automatic withdrawals from accounts is used by these organizations to accomplish their goals.

Examining and understanding just what are the goals of these organizations might be, is a conundrum in itself. Had these tremendous quantities of funds been used in enlightened ways it is unlikely that humanity would remain in its present level of ignorance and suffering. If there are imperceptible cosmic laws of karma or cause and effect the tyrants who capture spiritual seekers for their own financial gains will certainly roast in the depth of the deepest, darkest, hottest, hells for all of eternity.

It would be a safe assumption to imagine that the forefathers of this country would be rolling over in their graves if they could witness the abominations which have occured under the protection of by their codifications.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:37:40 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment...
Message:
Thanks for that, Blood,

Y'know, I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that another of the insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment is to be found in the belief in Karma.

Considering that the idea comes from a country where the majority have for centuries spent their lives in abject poverty and subservience to the rulers and maharajas is itself enough for me to be suspicious of it.

OK, so back in the 60s and 70s it was new, cool and very groovy to buy into the 'spiritual Indian philosophy' trip, but this is over 30 years on.

What is the belief in Karma other than sheer wishful-thinking? That, AND a way of keeping us seething masses content with our lot?

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:28:23 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: insidious mechanisms of cult entrapment...
Message:
cq,
Karma - wishful thinking? Or Nail-biting thinking?
You must be a very, very good person to think of karma 'only' as wishful thinking.

I mean, that is definitely part of it.For those criminals that get away---wishful thinking ='They'll pay--later.'

But, what about = 'I was bad.--oh-oh...'
_______________

I was very surprised to read anyone think of Karma as a 60's or 70's 'thang'.
My goodness - been around for like ever.
And it's far from an Eastern thang.
And even farther from a cult thang.

If you have time check out Brian Weiss,MD's Many Lives,Many Masters' or his next one - Only One Love.
A review---Dr. Weiss, pretigious board psychiatrist, took four years to finally make public his astonishing session with parients' regression to past lives. After 'drug therapies' and traditional analysis failed to aid in serious phobias - he tried hypnotherapy to find the root of the phobias.
To his amazement it took on a Yves Montand/Barbra twist.

Oh, and reincarnation goes back to Biblical times. You still don't have to believe it. I'm just saying --- New Age has never been new.

You're an interesting character to post with,cq. I like it.

Elaine B.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 18:52:08 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Where did Elaine go? Elaine....nt
Message:
ntzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 22:13:45 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Where did Elaine go? Elaine....nt
Message:
Yes, dear, I'm still here.... is there anything I can do for you?
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:21:16 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: How naive do you like it, Elaine?
Message:
You're not one to try to scrutinize any of this talking-with-the-dead, reincarnation, master foo foo, are you? That's not you, I take it. No, like Deputy Dog, another entirely indiscriminating premie, you're a happy new age consumer. Right? Leave the hard questions for someone else, you'll just go with the vibe. And the vibe's whatever you want it to be.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:04:58 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You know me so well,Jim
Message:
Hi Jim,
You're right I'll scrutinize to a point.

Regretfully, the vibe isn't always what I want it to be so I can't just go with the vibe.

After years of seeing and feeling vibes it's taken quite a bit of effort and work to not let certain vibes enter me and upset my internal thermastat.

No, it wasn't easy to become the tolerant,happy,wiser person I am today.

Always a pleasure,Jim.

Elaine

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:14:42 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Memorial Day
Message:
To Blood (and the other veterans out there):

Happy Memorial Day. Is 'happy' the right word? Nonetheless, I remember your post about while you were flying to Vietnam, you were trying to meditate, hoping that the big K would help you. It was a memorable piece.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:02:42 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Patience and worth it
Message:
Blood,

I enjoyed your post very much. It gave me an urge to go back and read Civilization and its Discontents again. I was thinking of the grey lines of demarcation between individual and society, or society and cults or groups.

It's so hard to do the 'live and let live' thing when it comes to the effects it has on others...or when you let someone live in a situation that is hurting them.

Where does compromise to the wishes of another person turn to sacrifice to being taken for granted to being used?

Where does a group turn into a cult?

Where does the healthy sharing with a group turn to unhealthy dependence?

These things I wonder about.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 08:26:27 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: A few thoughts ....
Message:
Lots of groups have a leader, or some kind of leadership.

What happens in the group then depends on the ethics of the leaders, what's promoted and taught in the group, the group's 'rules'....

It's very clear for me that very different people come to very different groups. And when you find what meets your conscious or unconscious expectations .... you know what happens. Many people came and left after their first meeting or very quickly (like you did). Some stayed.

Maybe you should read the Guru Papers.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:00:59 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The War is Over. How much do we want?
Message:
Hi,

Jean-Michel asks somewhere below, “What next?” now the cults attempts to shut us up has run off the road. He suggests that, short of physical intimidation, the cult have only one possibility of silencing us- bribery.

This makes sense because it is the only solution that satisfies everybody. The Lord of Universe can continue his mission to spread his message, distribute standing orders, order newer and bigger private jets and cars. There will be no more embarassing pictures, no more embarrasing quotes from yesteryear, no more satirical lampoonery, no more forum, no more Ex-Premie.org, no more House of Drek, no more Anything Goes. Things will be as they were before the lunatics sedation wore off and they began tearing down the asylum.

The Lord will be able to sleep peacefully at night, and continue his divine work without a team of expensive New York lawyers. Premies will sleep blissfully, in the knowledge that there will be no more difficult questions for them to answer.

And as for us lot, and our international organisation of crazed, hate-filled, rotting vegetable brained monmots, banned for eternity to a sizzling hell, we will quietly retire on our ‘compensation’.

The only question is, “How much do we want to shut up?”

How much, for example, will Roger eDrek demand for the exclusive rights to the House of Drek? How much will Sir Dave ask to disappear from cyberspace without trace, forever? How much for Brian and Kate to shut down Ex-Premie.org? How much for Jean-Michel to close his site and retire to Martinique every winter? How much will it cost to silence Jim forever? And what will my bill be for a continuous supply of dancing girls, hashish, malt whiskey and fast bicycles, before my stroke, then how much will my hospitalisation cost afterwards.

How much to remove Latvia from the map?

It’s time to stop all this talk about copyright, and legal threats, and start talking 'bucks'.

So, maybe we could spend a few minutes to think about how much we want. Post your price below, and we’ll add up the bill and send it to the lawyers.

Anth the Breadhead.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 22:31:11 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Punitive Damages
Message:
Compensation is one thing. It's hard to define, and hard to measure. But punitive damages aren't that difficult. How much would Maharaji have to be fined to keep him from playing god and deceiving people in the future?

So, I think compensatory damages of $1 per premie who asks for it, and punitive damages in the amount of 90% of Maharaji's uninsured wealth, plus his insurance coverage. His suits alone I'm sure are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Unfortunately, he is such a fat, little squirt, no one else could wear them and hence they are worthless. But that land in Malibu. Yes that would be worth something, and quite easy to attach. Not to mention his fleet of vehicles, the helicopter(s), and that little watch collection of his. I say punitive damages of at least $25 million. I mean, what did they get OJ Simpson for?

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:28:44 (GMT)
From: But, Nothing
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: is on his name: I bet!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 16:04:46 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: But, Nothing
Subject: Why are you hiding all over? Mr/Ms Nameless??nt
Message:
Scardycat
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 05:16:16 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I just want to record a bit in his studio
Message:
and maybe a few autographed pics or something. I want a private audience with him and a chance to take my mum and Laurie. Maybe we could all go out to dinner. I just want him to show me he really cares, you know? No bullshit this time. Sheesh!
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 11:02:41 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim and Everyone
Subject: Dear Santa...
Message:
...I mean Maharaji.

Can I please have:

A new bicycle.

1500 litres of assorted Malt Whiskies.

One ton of primo ricola for my pipe.

A fridge.

A cooker.

Some carpets.

A set of stainless steel cutlery.

Jagdeos testicles to feed to my pet rat- preferably still attached to his breathing body. But if he's already been decapitated because eDrek has claimed his head, I'll settle for them giftwrapped.

A new set of guitar strings.

A bottle of aftershave.

Five million dollars in cash.

A few dozen dancing girls.

Cardiac recusitation unit and 24 hour nursing care.

In return, you'll never hear another squeak from me again, and, to show my good faith, you can have back the 'Knowledge of All Knowledges'. I tried it for 25 years, but in the end didn't find it all that useful.

Thank you very much.

Your old devotee

Anth (having successfully made the transition up that most difficult step of the spiritual ladder, from Premie to Breadhead. And I couldn't have done it without your help).

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:52:13 (GMT)
From: (Sir) David
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The War is Over. How much do we want?
Message:
I would like Maharaji to apologise publicly for all the crap he put some very sincere people through. I'd like him to admit that he has made a very long term and serious mistake by messing around with people's lives and dictating to them how they should run their lives and how they should think and feel.

I'd like him to admit that he knows no more about life than the next man and has run his organisation solely for his own financial reward and not out of any altruistic sentiments.

I'd like him to admit that he made a very grave error in purposely making people believe that he was the Lord. I'd like him to verify that everything in the Bob Mishler interview is the truth and that he only perpetrated the 'God in human form' myth in order to keep the dollars coming in.

I'd like him to apologise unreservedly for instilling fear into people with his contemptable threats of what would happen to them if they left knowledge.

I'd like him to publicly say that he was very wrong to do this and take back every word of it and personally reassure all people who have ever received knowledge that he has no hold over them and that the 'knowledge' is simply four meditation techniques and people who have received these techniques are no different to anybody else and they do not have to practise them if they don't want to.

However, I think it would be easier for Maharaji to give me a million bucks than do all of the above.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:57:59 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: (Sir) David
Subject: Agreed. Bugger the money...
Message:
The cyber-war continues until pigs indeed fly and 'maharaji' acknowledges his accountability.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:25:25 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: (Sir) David
Subject: The War is Over. Long live the war?
Message:
Talking of 'instilling fear into people with his contemptable threats of what would happen to them if they left knowledge', Dave, most people just cite the 'rotting vegetable' speech.

But let's not forget this one:


'Guru Maharaj Ji never shuts his door on anybody But people shut their doors on Guru Maharaj Ji. And when that happens, man, it's not worth it. Because the reason, the only reason for this body, the reason why apples grow on the trees, the reason why these flowers have bloomed, the reason why we are all here, the reason why the Earth is still rotating, or the reason why there is the ocean, there are the stars, there is a universe, there is everything, goes right down the drain when we shut our door on Guru Maharaj Ji.

Who are we? Have we ever looked at ourselves in the mirror? I'm not talking about the reflective mirror; I'm talking about the true mirror. Have we ever looked at ourselves in the true mirror? Really, really seen ourselves? Oh, not our nose, I'm not talking about our nose; our beauty spots, our eyelashes, our hairs, our eyes. I'm not talking about when you take your aftershave and you splash it around, or you stand by the mirror and make sure you get all your hairs when you're shaving in the morning. Or you get your lipstick together - for the ones who use lipstick.

I'm talking about the mirror of life. The true mirror. Have we ever looked at ourselves in that? No. We never have. And when we will, someday, by Guru Maharaj Ji's Grace, we will find that we are no more than just a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, very, very tiny speck of dust. Nothing.'

(Maharaji, London, England; March 5, 1978)

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 01:08:59 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: (Sir) David
Subject: Well said Sir Dave (best of?)
Message:
Do we still have a best of? Or does he claim the copyright to that too?
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:01:49 (GMT)
From: Ged
Email: earthsea
To: AJW
Subject: The War is Over. How much do we want?
Message:
Nothing could replace the wasted , tormented years , no amount of money could undo the damage and I refuse to take the devils shilling, but hey Anth , if you could spare one of those dancing ladies it might help buy my silence !

Ged-a- go-go

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:57:58 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The War is Over. How much do we want?
Message:
I'd like a cool mil myself.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:49:05 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: He has no plan...never has had one...
Message:
One thing about Maharaji has been consistent -- he has no idea what he is doing. He just lurches from one thing to the next, with no plan, nor a very good view of the consequences of his actions. This is because no one around him ever tells him what stupid things he does, what a bad speaker and how incoherent he is, how ridiculous he looks in some of those videos, about how creepy it is to most people that his daughter sings devotional love songs to him while wearing sexy outfits, and many, many other things. He hasn't a clue how out of it he actually is.

So, when this attack on the free speech rights of his ex followers doesn't work, backfires in fact, he will have no idea what to do next, and the sycophant PAMs will never mention it again. He will just pretend like it never happened and mumble some stuff about THAT love.

I think his reaction will be to essentially fold up his tent in areas heavily connected to the Internet and focus on the third world to try to get new recruits. This has already happened to a great extent. When was the last time Maharaji did a program open to the public in North America?

But, he will keep that hard core group of followers in the West, because they give him most of his money. Look for lots of closed satellite 'events' and relatively few other 'events' in which security will become even more paranoid and premies will need some kind of ID to even get in, after they pay an appropriate 'reserve seating charge' of course.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 07:42:56 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Is it not very childish?
Message:
his way of doing things, hit and miss ..... never went out of his spoiled childhood?

Giving agya: I want this, I want that .... like a baby in his trolley ....

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:50:41 (GMT)
From: CPA
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The War is Over. How much do we want?
Message:
Consequential Damages:
1. Loss of education
for putting M first..........................$10,000,000
2. Lost wages from time off
from work to attend festivals..................12,000
3. Psychiatric fees..................................14,000
4. Psychotherapist fees............................8,000
6. Lost time satsang,service, meditation..40,000
7. Donations and tithes...........................12,000
8. Loss of Family..................................priceless
9. Loss of several good
years of youth.......................................priceless

Somethings in life are priceless,
for everything else, there's MASTERCARD

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Date: Thurs, Jun 01, 2000 at 01:03:12 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: CPA
Subject: The War is Over. How much do we want?
Message:
Loved that! Clever! WOuld like to add another one,
THE EXPERIENCE OF FOLLOWING A CHARLETON GURU + FIGURING IT ALL OUT WITH THE HELP OF THE FORUM:
Wisdom won the hard way through hard knocks, cured once and for all of new age fantasies, forever skeptical of narcissistic religious trips: Priceless
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:41:47 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: CPA
Subject: How much do we want? Damn good question.
Message:
Indeed, I feel damaged.

I know that I might be the exception, but after absorbing Maharaji's alien philosophy with his stunted worldview of how materialism is bad for premies but good for him, I feel totally fucked over. Maybe I didn't surrender enough. Had I only surrendered a little more maybe Easy Street was going to be around the next corner. Hell, I tried and tried for twenty-five years and it only got stranger and stranger.

Yes, yes, yes, I share some of the responsibility for my own mistakes and misfortune. However, when you are told over and over again that nothing that you do in this world matters, do not try to improve yourself through education, don't bother saving for retirement because the money won't be worth anything anyway, and on and on and on. (And you know that he said that about retirement in the mid 1990's so, premie apologists, don't give that crap about not letting go of the past.)

Yet, all the while Guru MahaMaterialism keeps asking for more and more of your measly paycheck and the subtle demands are made to travel to far off corners of the world to see him puts you into bankruptcy.

And god forbid if you have children to feed and care for. Nevermind the kids, abandon them and head off to the next program where you can absorb some more industrial strength brainwashing. Nevermind how much it costs. Nevermind that you've had to quit another minimum wage job. Nevermind blowing off your family commitments. Nevermind that you're blowing off yourself. You're a darshan junkie. Go ahead, blow it all off and get your bliss fix.

And if you can't cut it then maybe you don't belong in the front rows of Maharaji's world, do you? Maybe you are not good enough to be in Maharaji's world? Maybe you just haven't surrendered enough yet?

Really, it would look to be a rich person's hobby having a Guru of this type.

I'll never forget the interview I had with Jagdeo at the Kittredge (sp?) Building in Denver sometime in 1974 (I think.) I was feeling confused about what to do with my life. I wasn't good enough to get into the ashram. I really wanted to get the forbidden knowledge from college. Basically, I was confused because of a lot of discordant crap bouncing around inside my head.

The meeting with Jagdeo was delayed about 10 minutes because Jagdeo was on the phone with Maharaji himself. Finally, Jagdeo was finished talking to Maharaji and he came out of a large private office into the main office area. He was somewhat excited and his glass eyeball was cocked to the right and upward towards the ceiling. What the hell am I doing here, I thought. Who is this strange little guy?

First thing out of Jagdeo's mouth is, 'Are you named as a beneficiary in your parents' will?'

I thought, 'What, my parents are going to die? How does he know this? Of course, he's a mahatma and he's just got off the phone with God. Oh, well. Maharaji is my father and my mother now.'

So, you ask, what is it going to take for Roger eDrek to shut up and go away?

First, bring me the head of Jagdeo on a plate, that sleazy little tweaky bastard and his glass eyeball. That slime bucket who starts off asking about whether I was a beneficiary in my parents' will. That goddamn pedophile that was allowed to run rampant across the globe molesting young children.

I remember when Jagdeo came to town once and they would set up special meetings with Jagdeo because 'he really likes children.' I heard that and thought that was real cool and those children were really fortunate. Man, was we naive.

And Maharaji was repeatedly told about Jagdeo and what did Maharaji do?

Maharaji banished Jagdeo to the South Pacific and Thailand. Hello? Anybody home? Anybody give a shit about people here in this organization that is supposed to be saving the world from going to hell?

How much do I want?

I want to see this lying selfish greedy pig busted. I want to see the IRS come and kick his fat ass out of all of his palatial estates that premies were duped into paying for at such an expense to themselves that is unimaginable. This goddamn Pied Piper that led us out of town with his promises of enlightenment and bliss and truth and all that crap only cared about himself.

Bottom Line: I want to go to a drive-up window hear Maharaji say:

'Do you want fries with your order today?'

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 19:48:25 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Pound of flesh discounted to...
Message:
pound of fries?? You retain some kindness, Rog.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:33:17 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Brockovitch,Brockovitch,Brockovitch Brockovitch
Message:
If you are talking about the exs hosting sites- I am not one.

but I am a victim of the dancing flowers.

A million after tax for me seems fair.

My adult children are left to cope with the cult upbringing.
500,000 per child and 200,000 per their children.

Therapy is ongoing for all of them. loss of earnings, relationship problems.

I would be happy to give a deposition.

I sure hope you are serious.

I can get you contacts with other ex followers of gurus who sued.
The figure was pretty low , I thing 7 milllion for a group of 20.
They spent months following up old devotees and getting them to come to terms with the ongoing damage. They lost once appeald and then won. However Lawyer fees will very low out of the settlement because a couple of them were lawyers and they all chipped in with the reasearch.

Thank you for posting this though I realize you may have been kidding around.
One more thing.
I would not stop my activities completely.
With the above complaints, they stand separate from the web site issue.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 16:11:41 (GMT)
From: Forever Damaged
Email: None
To: CPA
Subject: but I'll take the singing daughter-Maya ?(nt)
Message:
abcd
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:32:04 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Forever Damaged
Subject: Daya/Dayalata....nt
Message:
om
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:08:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Poolside paparrazi pic - just in! must see!
Message:
Just click here!
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:31:18 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: I just wet my pants....
Message:
Yes, I would recognize the lotus behind anywhere and it is so beautiful. I feel so filled with that gift, seeing Maharaji do such a majestic maneuver. At least I pray I have that understanding to see my master in that picture. I mean, it is Maharaji, isn't it? Either that or it's a historical picture -- a map of the fertile crescent. But I feel blissed out with that love either way.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:05:31 (GMT)
From: Anarchist
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: 'Not Maharaji's mixed bag' back online
Message:
It's back online although a few of the links have yet to be completed due to the House of Drek and Cult Watch sites moving. When we know the URLs of these sites, they'll be updated.

Click here for Not Maharaji's mixed bag

Be sure to check out The blatant copyright infringement site. If you'd like to create your own 'altered images' or whatever for this site, then please do and we'll get them included.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:49:34 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Anarchist
Subject: Absolutely Fabulous! You are the ***BEST***
Message:
Dang, that is soooooo good.

It's gotta feel like a kick in privates for old butthead Maharaji.

Well done!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:52:28 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Anarchist
Subject: you are the best
Message:
Will they never learn? Glad to see you out of retirement.
And, if I sound like a cheerleader to you premies...

TOUGH SHIT

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:07:19 (GMT)
From: (Sir) David
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: When will Maharaji learn
Message:
that the more he opposes the ex-premies, the stronger they become.

Roger, I have you to thank for the she-male god page graphics, as you know. Any more will be greatly appreciated. Not that that site has anything to do with me of course. I believe we have to thank a certain Ralph Smith for all this frantic web mastering, whoever he is.

And you can come and do your cheerleader dance in my office (front bedroom) any time Selene. Yes, it was Maharaji's annihilation of my web sites which turned my attention back to this scene and got me all fired up again. When will he ever learn?

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 02:15:03 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: (Sir) David
Subject: who could resist an offer like that?
Message:
will Ralph be there running the web cam?
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 07:58:29 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Copyright - DCMA excert
Message:

US Code: Title 17, Section 107
Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A,
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by
reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means
specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism,
comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for
classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement
of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in
any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered
shall include -

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including
whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit
educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used
in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for
or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself
bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon
consideration of all the above factors.

So the man whose life has been a lie (formerly known as Prem Pal Singh Rawat) has sent lawyers clutching the DCMA to save him from being exposed (as in 'quoted')? He's rattled. So keep shaking his cage, folks.

JohnT

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:36:02 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Fraudulent Bluff Baffles
Message:
Thank you JohnT. Now I am even more curious to see that damn letter. It would be so fun to see which section they say is bieng violated.

Number 4 is the only one I can see that might apply.
After all we know that it has cut down on his business because it has made and impression on aspiriants.

Poor Maraji I mean God I mean man I mean teacher I mean friend I mean lover I mean fraud.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:11:46 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Zelda
Subject: Yes, number 4 the potential market
Message:
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market foror value of the copyrighted work.

My read of that is the potential market value of the copyrighted work. Ok, what is the copyrighted work in question? Some pictures of a fat guy? Some rambling incoherent non-religious ranting and raving?

Now, if you are talking about the copyrighted work of Maharaji himself then that's a different story. And he is one piece of work, indeed.

But, I believe a strict interpretation in the context of, say, a photographer's copyrighted work where they make and sell prints then if someone who doesn't own the copyright makes and sells prints then we are talking about a potential market value. Or music or whatever.

But, really what is the potential market value of these copyrighted works of Maharaji? And I mean as isolated items?

Probably about nothing.

And it should be clearly understood that when such items are used for educational purposes, especially in a non-profit situation, that such usage is considered Fair Use.

But an important point needs to be made in regards to copyright infringement of pictures and something like website graphics like an entry portal. When such images are altered and/or used in parody such usage is perfectly legal and does not constitute copyright infringement.

Bottom Line:

Maharaji and his lawyers should know all of this legal mumbo jumbo. And they know that they don't have a case. They are hoping that their bigtime New York City lawyer letters will scare the crap out of everybody and we will all just go away. Sorry!

About this possibility: Let's say that Maharaji's lawyers know that they don't have a case and they even tried to talk Maharaji out of it, but Maharaji in his demanding little God-like way made them do the letters.

Think about it.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:12:27 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: bingo, Rog.
Message:
About this possibility: Let's say that Maharaji's lawyers know that they don't have a case and they even tried to talk Maharaji out of it, but Maharaji in his demanding little God-like way made them do the letters.

yup

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 08:45:41 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: gerry and Roger
Subject: bingo, Rog.
Message:
He made them write the letters- I'll betcha you are right.
That what I mean - something is very fishy.
Made me think he borrowed the letterhead. I mean what lawyer, even a dumb one would write such an obvious bluff.
Remarkable as they say on little rascals.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 15:27:09 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: glyng@techline.com
To: Zelda
Subject: bingo, Rog.
Message:
Hi Zelda,

I don't think Rawat 'borrowed' stationary, but I do believe he *demanded* that his attornies write these silly letters. I'm sure they tried to reason with him as lawyers, but there's no telling little lord faunteroy what to do when he's made up his mind. He's spoiled silly and has never been effectively opposed until now. He doesn't know how to act, so he's lashing out blindly, most likely in a rage. At least that's my hallucination...

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 18:37:42 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: bingo, Rog.
Message:
'never been effectivly opposed until now' I hadnt seen it in this context recently. Most people grow up with the aggregate of oppositon to mold them. M has had the opposite- adulation - so he is truly out of whack.
Just where he should have been challenged for subliminating his 'dictator to dictated to' program- his feet were kissed and everyone went out to buy the right wardrobe.

what interests me is the law of averages would make one out of the 5 teenagers a rebel. One of the boys most likely. How these guys stay tamed defies the law of the jungle. My feeling is that at least one of them doesnt like whats going on but is silent in order to protect to family.
If you are reading this young man, I understand your predicament. Just make sure you deep a clear head and know you are right about all this. One cannot tell what the future holds.

Zelda

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:06:17 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Well what do you know?
Message:
I was just replying to a premie troll, Boy George, and he disappeared! Now how'd you do that?
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 19:26:41 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Just a bit of house tidying
Message:
'Boy George's' post was removed on grounds of being incomprehensible garbage. Perhaps I was too hasty. If you want to reply, here's how it went:

>>
concentrate on 'meaningful' social issues
not what joan of arc's great grandmother did to
her ole man when he beat the eva luvin' crap out of
her cousin...what do u care...just be fair and understand
joan dint do it....who cares if an old instructor is
homeless in seattle...do u...No....so get a grip
and leave the man who talks of peace be.....
or is that too phucking much of a conscious thought.blame
jimmy cartier 'cause the I o toll a...took hosteges
that's it...u guys and dykes can take hosteges..
there's your solution...take all the non-ex's hostege.
Dee program them.....there you go...Happy re-memorial day
or is it gay?

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:26:07 (GMT)
From: Boy George
Email: None
To: Mahavishnu
Subject: U 4 got the police brutality
Message:
I'M MELTING
I AM MELTING
I HAVE BEEN MELTED
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF BEING MELTED
by the ex's and non-ex's
so many of u r so full of crap and haven't a clue.
My harts ego is ROFLMAO
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:54:53 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Thanks, FA
Message:
In my very opinionated opinion, THAT particular poster (a.k.a. Spammer da Rapper) is a nuisance, NEVER uses the same name, and posts this kind of crap constantly - over and over again under different names. Sometimes the posts are just gibberish, others are quite offensive (as above).
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:35:09 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: FA
Subject: and thanks very much for archiving :) (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 22:36:02 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: and thanks very much for archiving :) (nt)
Message:
That wasn't me who archived. It was the other forum admin (the better-looking one). I'm just keeping the seat warm and hoping it doesn't get too hot.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:44:21 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Well I understoof it, ok...
Message:
He said: 'Look how maharaji can scramble a person's brain, you ungrateful wretches'.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:14:23 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Nigel
Subject: I think that Nigel has found the way
Message:
Nigel,

I read your instructions on how to deal with these people, but I didn't quite understand it enough to put it into practice. Your examples, however, bring it together and it all makes sense now.

I can see clearly now...

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 04:08:00 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Big bad Jim scared all traces of him away(nt)
Message:
Boo.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 07:32:44 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: No, not at all. The post disappeared (nt)
Message:
hhh
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:34:35 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Have you been workin' too hard , Jim?
Message:
Jim,

Maybe you should take things a little easier for a bit.
Go fishin' or whatever.

All the best

Coach

PS There was no post, really, was there?

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:41:08 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Coach
Subject: Yes, a George passed by.......
Message:
Coachy,

Yes, there were posts with George, not too long a go: I posted for him....

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:27:14 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
Tedious, tiresome, almost invariably anonymous, rarely less than hostile, giving their minds freedom to join in, but never to go there…(and not one of the cowardly bastards will dare try my Fake-M experiment!) Apart from that, I, and many others, have wasted hours - or days probably - trying to engage in some kind of rational discourse with them.

But who are they? And why do they come here?

Let's take the second question first: it seems there are as many reasons as there are premie posters. Basher W. comes to insult, Catweasel to threaten. CD comes to float above it all, op to testify to 'Maharaji's' miracles ('that would put Jesus to shame'). Mel Bourne uses the forum to wrestle with his demons and rationalise his ongoing devotions, NIL / URL / %$^%$ to put in some reincarnation practice. Bjorn comes to mutter darkly about legal action he will never instigate, Mili - depending on his mood - arrives to express withering contempt or tell jokes.

But premie posts are almost always confrontational and generally spluttered from behind a mask (Ok, CD and SHP, you can go and sit down now - this isn't about you.) The hostility is hardly surpising, since 'Maharaji' himself has referred to his former bread-and-butter, we ex-premies, as his 'enemies'. The anonymity is understandable, too, in its way - possibly for the reasons Jim pointed out in an earlier thread.

Or is there another reason?

Think about it… In 1998, 'Maharaji' let it be known via EV that he did not want premies joining in discussions on the ex-premie sites. Yet still they come, exhibiting an extraordinary lack of respect… Now ask youself: 'Who alone in DLM/EV has always had dispensation to disobey the 'Master's' agya? Why, Prem Rawat, of course. As far as we know, any one of our premie guests might be 'Maharaji'. As far as we know they all might be 'Maharaji'.

Load of nonsense? - Yes, probably. But the point is this: every premie visitor comes to either speak for, or speak up for 'Maharaji'. As such, we should treat every one of them as though they were 'Maharaji' (Hell - they just might be!)

So next time Mel Bjorn or whoever chimes in with his or her weary bleat, I reckon I will address my replies to Prem Rawat, ignoring the cypher of his would-be mouthpiece whose individual concerns are none of mine. Perhaps others might like to do the same. I think the intruders might soon get tired of being here. Whatever other reason they give for their participation, the thing premies posters most crave is your attention. (Which is, perhaps, living proof of the failure of 'knowledge' to provide them with 'such peace as will never die'.)

But for as long as they elect for anonymity whilst abusing their hosts they deserve none of ours.


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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 19:58:13 (GMT)
From: Chopped Liver
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: What to do about human posters...
Message:
show them the disrespect you feel for yourself, thanks to other humans teaching you disrespect in depth for self & others. After all, thats what this planet specializes in. Let's keep up the grand tradition.
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 21:08:27 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Chopped Liver
Subject: Respect has to be earned, Prem
Message:
Your premies posting hostile messages under psedonyms - addressed at forum members - and their unwillingness to confront the psychological damage you have caused will earn them scant respect here.
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:43:36 (GMT)
From: Is called
Email: None
To: Chopped Liver
Subject: Disrespect for the ideology, NOT People nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:59:23 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Hey Nigel, what am I here? Chopped liver?
Message:
But who are they? And why do they come here?

Let's take the second question first: it seems there are as many reasons as there are premie posters. Basher W. comes to insult, Catweasel to threaten. CD comes to float above it all, op to testify to 'Maharaji's' miracles ('that would put Jesus to shame'). Mel Bourne uses the forum to wrestle with his demons and rationalise his ongoing devotions, NIL / URL / %$^%$ to put in some reincarnation practice. Bjorn comes to mutter darkly about legal action he will never instigate, Mili - depending on his mood - arrives to express withering contempt or tell jokes.

Hey Nigel, what am I here? Chopped liver?

-- Dogg

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:33:50 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Chopped? No Prem, I heard it was pickled...
Message:
And if you don't know who you are, how can you hope to show others their true selves?
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:57:00 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: I know who I am . . .
Message:
I know who I am. I was just wondering how you see me, and was a little pissed off that you'd left me out that illustrious group.

-- Dogg

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:07:02 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Pay attention, Prem
Message:
I said '...So next time Mel Bjorn [or Deputy Dog] or whoever chimes in with his or her weary bleat, I reckon I will address my replies to Prem Rawat, ignoring the cypher of his would-be mouthpiece whose individual concerns are none of mine.
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 03:30:11 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Paying attention is one thing.......
Message:
.......mindreading is somethings else.

The following is what you said in your post,

So next time Mel Bjorn or whoever chimes in with his or her weary bleat, I reckon I will address my replies to Prem Rawat, ignoring the cypher of his would-be mouthpiece whose individual concerns are none of mine.

No mention Deputy Dog there. 'Whoever' is a pretty lame definition of the Dogg isn't it? Especially compared to the wonderful and concise descriptions you gave of the other premie posters. I am paying attention! Where is my brief yet sarcastic character portrayal?

-- Dogg

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 03:41:08 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: And avoiding questions is another
Message:
Come on, Dog, I asked you days ago to actually be a man (wearing your protective cartoon character mask, of course. I wouldn't dare go so far as to ask you to stand up and speak out without a disguise. Of course not) and to give a full, honest opinion of Maharaji's latest move to shut down the ex-premie internet presence. You said nothing. What a big fucking surprise.

When does the embarrassment kick in, Dog, or is that what the mask's all about?

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 17:48:44 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Everyone has a right to legal recourse (nt)
Message:
asfdg
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Date: Thurs, Jun 01, 2000 at 01:11:11 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: You're a wimp, Dog
Message:
That's all you can do? Give this frightened little subject line as an answer? And what an answer it is! 'Everyone's entitled to legal recourse'. Yeah, right. Look, you wimpy little jerk, you know you're completely sidestepping the question which was, what is your opinion about Maharaji trying to shut down the ex-premie internet presence? And all you can do is this? Go fuck yourself. Really, get the hell out of here you stupid asshole.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:17:45 (GMT)
From: Simon Satsang
Email: foaming@themouth.con
To: Nigel
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
You people here are the most ungrateful, spiteful and undignified people I've ever been in contact with. Maharaji has given you (free) the greatest gift that anyone could ever hope to have. He has released you from suffering by his holy knowledge and has liberated you from the eight billion forms of animal suffering which you will probably all suffer for the next trillion years.

His door is always open and yet you slap him in the face. He asks for less and less from his devotees as time goes on because he knows he won't get more.

You are all Judases! He only pretends to be a mere master but his devotees know he's the living Lord with so much compassion that he took the ex-premie sites off the web so that those ex-premies wouldn't do something they might regret later and perhaps hurt themselves. He is the compassionate one.

How do we select few know he's the Lord? Because he has given us THAT experience and myself personally can say with certainty that I've never done more than scratch the surface of a thousand foot wall between me and THAT place and have never experienced any bliss. That is his infinite grace and mercy. And that is why I know he's the Lord.

You people have never had THAT experience because you have denied the grace of the Living Master and even though you spent decades trying to follow him, you were never his devotees because you weren't especially blessed like I am.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:51:34 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: premie posters...huh??? Nigel?...
Message:
Simon,

Excuse me,but, I'm a premie - and you are an embarrassment.

'How do we select few know...'

Would you please re-read that whole paragraph - was there anything that was mis-typed?
I'm giving you a chance here to re-think and redeem yourself.

Nigel, this couldn't be M posting here. It's just too goofy.

Elaine

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:14:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Jokes on you, Elaine
Message:
Elaine,

This Simon guy's an obvious spoof. The fact that you can't tell says something about how ridiculous premiedom is, doesn't it?

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:09:15 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: No way, really?
Message:
Well, you know I don't hold premies in high regard.
That's never been a secret,Jim

Oh, come on that sounds just like a premie.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:14:40 (GMT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
Oh Brother!
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:04:28 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: It's a joke, right? (nt)
Message:
Judas
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:29:11 (GMT)
From: Anoder premy
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
Yoy are absolutly right: This exes are pathetic! What do they know about devotion and about the bliss I felt when I kissed Maharaji's feet in a secret ceremony last year, hmmm....anyway, in Amaroo, Australia? What do exes know, that they had to carry me out because I passed out!! That is devotion, baby!! And Maharaji is the giver of that experience. It's by his infinite grace that we, little people, get to feel something. He is my Lord and nothing is going to change that, not even logic, because I'm a premie, and proud of it. I am a devotee of Guru Maharaji, God incarnated, THE ONLY SATGURU, THE SAVIOUR....my Lord, I'm here defending your name and your knowledge because you are greater than God: You show me God. Shit! I think Elan Vital is going to kill me if they find out who I'm! Well. this had to be said.

Jaisashitanand Simon!!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:20:38 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: and THAT is THE way it is...
Message:
goodnight ladies and gentlemen..
THAT was good!
thanks for the laugh. :)
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:56:41 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
I think that the posts of anonymous premie posters definitely take some conversations down a few notches...but, what about the ones who may just lurk or are coming to see what it is about?

What is it that may spark a little doubt or create a little interest in life outside the cult? I would think seeing the type of postings and responses from fellow named premies would have some affect here.

I also think, despite being tiresome for those who have been here a long time, that the responses exes make to anonymous premie ramblings are of value sometimes.

It makes me think about the point at which doubt overcomes devotion and everything changes. I am clueless as to how, or if it is even possible to spark that in someone. I know a post that certainly offered me plenty to think about...at the risk of being sued, I think it merits re-posting. It's from AJW, and methinks it does not at all suck.

'John started a thread below, called ‘What is the experience?’. Susan wrote a response, which I agreed with, where she mentioned ‘Getting hooked’ in the‘knowledge session’.

I think it’s more getting ‘netted’ than getting hooked, and it happens long before the ‘knowledge session’. It’s like one of those large, funnel shaped nets, that’s dragged along by a trawler. The further down the funnel you go, the more intense it gets, and finally, at the end, is the cult initiation ceremony, called a ‘knowledge session’, designed to flop you out the other end, on a cold table, where the master stands with his fish knife, ready to liberate you.

The funnel is there to make sure that, when you show up for the initiation ceremony, you are already a believer. It filters people out until only the faithful remain at the end. It works something like this:

1. A cult member gets a friend, colleague, or family member to come along to a special ‘introductory video’. Most people sniff ‘cult’ even at this early stage, and decline the offer.

2. Those who go to the video, are attending an event which is specifically designed to lure them further into the tunnel. Usually cult members, who are renowned for scaring new people away with their guru worshipping diatribe, are kept away from
these events, unless they are bringing in fresh cannon fodder.

3. The next stage down the funnel is to attend a few more ‘introductory videos’, and get softened up for stage 4, the ‘instructor’.

4. When you get the idea that ‘knowledge’ is ‘an inner experience’, and Maharaji is the ‘giver’ or ‘teacher’, you’re ready to meet an instructor. These characters have been around since the cult came West in the late 60s, and have been called by
different names- ‘mahatmas’, ‘initiators’, ‘instructors’, and, in the new ‘EST’style fad that the cult seems to be entering, will probably be called ‘facilitators’, or ‘consciousness managers’ or something. Anyway, a ‘cult priest’ will interview you, and decide if you’ve been softened up enough to invite you along to a private session.

5. The private session takes place in a small, comfortable environment. The cult priest grills you, shows you a video, answers questions and determines if you are ‘ready for knowledge’, ie, ready to be initiated into the cult. Basically this means accepting that the meditation techniques you will be shown are an experience of ‘inner truth’, ‘your lifeforce’, or whatever way you feel most comfortable describing what religious folk call the ‘spirit’, or ‘soul’. (There has been a strong move away from ‘spiritual terminology’ within the cult, for the past few years.)

It also means accepting that Maharaji is the only teacher who can show you this ‘inner truth’, or ‘knowledge’.

When you’ve swallowed these two spoons of medecine (‘knowledge’ is ‘inner truth’, Maharaji is the one and only master of it.), then you’re ready for the next stage in the tunnel.

6. The ‘knowledge selection session’, is the final process before initiation into the cult. If you ‘pass’ the selection process (because by now, you should be hungry for truth and hungry to become a follower of Maharaji), you go through to the
‘knowledge session’, where you declare there is no other Master than Maharaji, and you understand that what you are about to experience is ‘precious inner peace, lifeforce etc’. Another fat fish, ready for the plate.

7. Finally of course, there is the ‘knowledge session’, where you are shown the techniques and made a member of the cult. After that, you can go to special meetings for cult members only, practice the meditation every morning and fill out a standing
order. Welcome to ‘Guruworld’, where the only position in the organisation is prostrate before the master.

It’s not always as I’ve described. Once the priests did the initiation, now they select and Maharaji does, mass initiation sessions himself. The packaging is always changing, and premies will always tell you, ‘Yes, indeed, it did used to be crazy.
But it’s all changed now. They’re called ‘facilitators’, not ‘instructors’, he’s called a ‘teacher’ not a ‘guru’, it’s not called ‘a knowledge session’, it’s a ‘consciousness seminar’, ‘…or whatever.

However the process is described, it’s designed to get you flat on the slab, ready for gutting. Your freewill, discrimination, morals, and of course your cash, will all be removed, then it’s into the freezer for a few years premie-ji, until an Ex’ comes along and pulls the plug, so you can thaw out. Or maybe the electricity fails, and you melt naturally.

Luckily, like in ancient Egypt, your vital organs have been preserved in jars, and function as good as new, when restored.

Anth the Fish Finger. '

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:50:13 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Whow!! Excellent post!!
Message:
BTW: Are Anth and Deaneane the same person? Confused!
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:07:40 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Whow!! Excellent post!!
Message:
Hi SB

AJW is Anth

Anth the AJW

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:41:08 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I'm glad neither threatened legal action then.(nt)
Message:
Grrrrr.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 14:51:55 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Whow!! Excellent post!!
Message:
I was just kidding... :)))

Hi Anth!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:09:58 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Whow!! Excellent post!!
Message:
Hi SB,

As I recently got you muddled up with Selene, I thought it quite possible you could have got me muddled up with Daneane, but obviously your brain is in better shape than mine.

(There have been one or two occasions when I've forgotten who I am myself.)

Anth the.... hang on a minute, it's around here somewhere...oh fuck it...I'll have another sandwich.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 16:13:44 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Whow!! Excellent post!!
Message:
...the coronas...are getting me!
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:51:53 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: I reposted one of Anth's cuz it deserved it.
Message:
copyright infringement
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:20:09 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Daneane
Subject: What a great post by Anth...
Message:
Hi Daneane,

I missed that one at the time.

But I doubt Anth needed a premie's vacant outpourings to procure that little masterpice out of him - I mean, it wasn't really a reply as such (cetainly doesn't look like one) - just a great analogy, very well written. If there was less distraction by premies we might even see more posts of that kind, and the premies would still read them.

It is interesting that you only have to mention a premie by name - even one who has been absent for a while - and they seem to reappear before the thread goes inactive, suggesting that unseen hordes of premies are secretly hooked on the forum, professed better judgement and spiritual superiority notwithstanding.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:43:38 (GMT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Anth
Subject: What a great post by Anth...
Message:
Wow, Anth. That was a masterpiece. I print it out and glue it on my wall.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:59:01 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
Hi Nigel,
Interesting post. I thought there was some techy way of telling all sorts of things about a poster. G seems to know stuff in that arena, doesn't he?
Like what kind of computor or a geographical area the poster is from. I mean if that virus guy can be traced to the Philippines can't someone here tell about posters.

Also, I've always felt if a poster bothers someone -why do so many people respond? Just ignore them. That's my usual simplistic way of looking at things.
I hope it doesn't piss someone off.

But,if compelled to read and respond I guess talking to them as if they are Prem PS Rawat would probably significantly frustrate someone - you're right there.

Elaine B.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:17:54 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Elaine
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
Dear Prem...

Shit! Why does my first reply have to be the exception which tests the rule..?

Hi Elaine!

I've never been quite sure whether or not you are still a premie.. but I haven't noticed you being hostile and as far as I can tell you probably really are called 'Elaine'. (God, have you been winding me up and your name's really 'Jaqui'?!)

Hey, gotta tell you all this: I just got an email from Bim himself. Not very nice. He said I was full of 'bullshit'. But as far as I can see bullshit is pretty much indistinguiahable from divine guidance. (Try the experiment, Bjorn - it will do you good.)

He concluded: 'leave me alone and I will leave you alone.'

I replied:

'Bjorn,

Email me again and I will post it on the forum. Leave the forum alone and we'll leave you alone.'

Ho hum. An excitable lot these cult people. You'd think inner peace would do it for them.

Anyway, how ya doin?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:10:23 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Bjorn's reply to previous...
Message:
I told Bjorn not to email me or it would go straight onto the forum, so I guess he wants it posted. Make of it what you will.

>>>

Hi Nigel> This is what I wrote, I dont see that I wrote you were full of bullshit. But may be honesty is not a common thing among ex-premies.

'Thanks for posting your last post even if it was so full of bullshit.
>Actually I did not know that Maharaji have told premies not to discuss on
>the net with ex-premies. What a relief.>
>There is a saying in my country that goes something like this you ll hear a
>lot before your ears fall off. Even if I cant translate it, I think youget
>the point.>
>It really puzzles me that people that are grown up, can blaim Maharaji for
>cencorship. When they are breaking all the laws?>
>It is like Rodney King is beaten up, and the 2 policemen who did it, were
>pissed off because they were charged for the crime? Probably they thought
>it
>was their right to beat up the poor guy. This one I will never get, I am
>probably not so smart, but I'll never understand the stupidness I
>witnessed.>
>Leave me alone, I'll leave you alone>'Bjørn Ps I mean it.


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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:07:10 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
You're so cute. I'm glad we have a good relationship.

SB and I down below are -oh,and Ged - are talking alittle about premiedom - you'd prob enjoy it.

But,ya know - if Bjorn posts again - I betcha people won't ignore him.
Why is it such a threat to post his e-mail --- is it that bad?

And,yes,fanatics are always excitable - it can be kinda fun,no?
Then,tiresome,I find.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:25:37 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Elaine
Subject: What to do about premie posters...
Message:
God I can't stop laughing... (control, yourself, Nige) - no I don't mean your reply, Jaqui, I mean Bjorn's saying he couldn't see where he had said I was full of bullshit then quoted back those very words as proof...

I have read your exchanges with SB yet... I'll go have a nosey.

(BTW: People have posted private emails they have received on the forum a few times - including ones where the sender has requested anonymity. I don't exactly disapprove, but don't really like it, so I think it is fair to give advance warning.)

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:13:12 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: What to do about premie pornstars...
Message:
It is embarrassing to see
some of the obscene expressions,
naked of logic and reason.
Their thoughts revelling toward some bliss
that wasn't there for me.
Their words dancing shamelessly about,
madly seeking to chastise those of us who have
reclaimed our right to judge things for ourself,
reconstructed our layers of psychological protection
and learned to think things through.
Their insights often void of the discernment
which is only learned by trial and error.
What should we expect from those who's
wisdom is shaped by 'someone' with none.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:05:51 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: that stuff can all be faked to verying degrees
Message:
And it doesn't matter anyway. I think the gist of what Nigel is saying is that these people often are only here to be disruptive and don't really express themselves.

Personally Nigel I think we should let them rant on. Like a pressure cooker, you know? Remember those ancient things? The release valve has to be let off real slow. And the steam that comes out at first well, ... this is what we see from them. They can't do any better. Yet.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:59:08 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: that stuff can all be faked to verying degrees
Message:
Hi Selene,

I actually agree. Let them rant away - it can only make M look crap. I think I am more concerned about the way I get sucked into trying to discuss stuff without any hope of doing so objectively. Probably my propopsed method would leave them ranting away as normal but with nobody listening.. I mean we could just write our replies without bothering to read their comments, but at the same time it would make a point. At least, I'm pretty sure it would piss them off!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:10:07 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: I like that idea!
Message:
I pretty much have to do that anyway Nigel :) I *do* read all replies but often have to put on my armour first, which amounts to the same thing more or less. Sometimes I reply to premies. I have found a few over the months who have turned out to be genuinely trying to leave the guru all along and been scared and intimidated here and able to talk to me.

Well, I hear we may have hit our record high today, 110 or some such and the computer in this tiny room isn't helping! I think I'll do something constructive about it like drive around with AC (this house I'm temporarily in has what is known here as a 'swamp cooler - don't ask!!) and only 4.5 months to go. how nice.
Enjoy all that water and all those plants and things. sigh.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:56:56 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Selene
Subject: Hot days...
Message:
..you could do a lot worse than find a nice, cool backroom of a british pub with great live music.

You could even chill out with your local neo-Darwinians...

http://www.gruts.demon.co.uk/darwin/campaign/founders.htm

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:03:55 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: you even got me to 'view images'
Message:
for that one!
Why was I not surprised to see you 'celebrating in the only way you know how'?
Thanks demented pixie.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:47:03 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Sickening beyond belief !!
Message:
This censorship issue is absolutely sickening. To think that I really believed that this fat asshole was a perfect master along the lines of Kabir , Nanak , Jesus , Buddha etc.!!!!

He really is showing his true colours now.

I wonder what the new slogans will be,

' This time I come with more lawyers than ever before'

'I declare I will establish copyrites in this world'

' Surrender the internet to me and I will give you ME '

' You need satellite links, smart cards and subjugation '

Thanks Roger, Jean-Michel, Sir Dave, Forum admin , all of you on the forum for making the true picture on Mahaha available for the world to see what a fucking power mad , corrupt, little gangster Fatsoji is . Maharaji , you should be ashamed of yourself, you FAKE fucking pretender to the role of enlightened master.I believed it for so long !! I can't believe that I was such a fool!!! May your mission crumble quickly and for God's sake premies wake up to how this asshole is taking the piss out of you !!

Sorry but I really am steamed up and so pissed off about it all that my eloquence suffers.............. Hal the former follower, the trusting fool, now an EX PREMIE and proud of it!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:06:12 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Thank you, Hal
Message:
It makes me sick, too, but you said it a whole lot better than I could. I imagine a lot of 'on-the-fence' people will have the same reaction that you did.

One of the things that bothers me is that I feel premies will be asked for money to pay these legal fees. Although I'm sure some will give willingly (particularly some of the more frequent premie posters here), I think that a lot of premies believe in free speech, etc. Also, it will likely be disturbing to them that an suppposed incarnation of God (or at least someone who is SUPPOSED to be spiritually blessed) is bothered this much by a bunch of two-bit websites.

Yeah, wake-up call for sure.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:35:36 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Katie
Subject: Hey, I'm going sue you, too!
Message:
a bunch of two-bit websites

Sheesh! I resemble and resent that remark!

I've spent most of the afternoon in an Oxygen-Free office building assembling my response to the Lord of the Universe calling me and my ISP to task.

Man your battle stations!

They don't call me Drek for nothing!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:13:24 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: The best defense against libel is the truth...
Message:
and we ARE a bunch of two-bit websites, compared to Maharaji.org. I mean can you imagine relative amounts of money spent creating the ex-premie websites and maharaji.org?

Hope your defense is going well, Mr. Drek - let me know if there's anything I can do.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:33:05 (GMT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: haven't been lately
To: Katie
Subject: The best defense against libel is the truth...
Message:
Well ex-premie cost more than what M has to pay out of his pocket, I am sure his site appears for 'free', maybe someone 'gives' him the labor and the server but I bet it doesn't cost him a cent. I wonder how the work product portion of a copyright applies to 'free' items, how do you own something you don't pay for unless someone gives it to you and gives you the copyright. If he owns it is it an 'asset' of his or a corporation? If its an asset of his how did it transfer from the 'free' labor of the church to him? Maybe a lawsuit would dig out some interesting disclosure of who owns what and how they came to own it. It might even make for interesting disclosure to the IRS. Anybody ever sign anything 20 years ago that gave all of their work product to M? I sure didn't.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:38:19 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: that's been bothering me too
Message:
How and if this all ties in with his tax excempt status as a non profit organization, and the IRS etc.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:58:29 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Complicated issue
Message:
But thanks for bringing it up.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 13:06:32 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: ... and the truth is
Message:
... and the truth is:

that ex-premie.org is FAR from being a 'two-bit website' Katie. Or were you just being modest?

This place does so much in helping to free people from the snares of M's house of candy. And there's nothing to be ashamed of about the way it looks. Nor about the huge amount of content here.

Two-bit? Compared with what M has spent on his site, I think this place definitely has the edge.

That's my two cents worth.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:28:28 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Proud to be two-bit
Message:
I'm proud of it, cq - I mean proud of the sites, and also proud that they were all done in people's living rooms on a volunteer basis. Thus 'two-bit' (means 25 cents in American slang).
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:25:00 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I must brush up on my American-English! (nt)
Message:
I must brush up on my American-English! (nt)
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:30:53 (GMT)
From: Thick as a plank
Email: uh@bewildered.net
To: Katie
Subject: The best defense against libel is the toilet
Message:
Yeah but maharaji.org is mind numbingly boring and sterile. It reminds me of the gents toilet under Trafalgar Square in london. But you won't have ever been there. Perhaps Roger has.

How much does it cost to run a gents toilet? Actually, I see very little effort and expense going into maharaji's_toilet.org. Much more effort has gone into Drek's World. And you have also to consider the sum total of time and effort from the contributors to the Drek site.

I hope you've still got my sermons, Mr eDrek. It would be a tragedy if they'd been lost. (No, I didn't keep a copy of them, as a matter of fact.)

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 19:39:41 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Thick as a plank
Subject: Nothing lost, source files are safely backed up
Message:
Thanks, Mr. Plank and Katie.

Yes, we are an acrimonious rag tag army of malcontents, but we cannot be stopped as easily as Maharaji and his high priced world renown law firm would like.

All of my files, data, yet to be published data and my secret private collection of non-copyrighted phots of Maharaji are safely backed up, duplicated, and stored safely in at least three locations. And like wine it gets better with time.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:31:43 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Thick as a plank
Subject: The best defense against libel is the toilet
Message:
Dearest Thick,
Good to see you here. I was going to try calling once my new number is set with my new phone plan, Tuesday, but I remember never getting beyond the answering machine when I was the one doing the calling!!!!
If it is ok I'll still try to call now that I've gotten use the the idea. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:01:54 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: ralph_smith68@hotmail.com
To: Hal
Subject: Sickening beyond belief !!
Message:
Don't be sorry Hal and whatever you do,

keep shouting!

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:36:22 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Anyone posted the Letter from the lawyers yet?
Message:
I have only seen the one from the ISP to the ex running a site.

If there is a copy of the actual letter from the lawyers to the ISP floating around, I would like to see it- if appopriate.

There is something fishy. All that material is in the public domain, is bieng used as education ect ect- it is not illegal to have it on these sites is it????

I think a premie went beyond the call of duty on this + used the law firms letterhead and cut and paste email letterhead and the ISP bought it.

Was there even a contact person to follow it up with?

Smaks of the agya scam and (no I dont mean rob did it.)

expresso working overtime tonight
Z

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:54:31 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Anyone posted the Letter from the lawyers yet?
Message:
Hi Zelda -
I have reason to believe that the lawyers who contacted the ISP's were legitimate - i.e they provided other information to substantiate their identity. I do not know if anyone has copies of these letters posted anywhere, though.

Here's the problem (as I see it - and I'm certainly no lawyer) - sites like Geocities provide a free web page service. I haven't looked at the contact you sign when you sign up with them, but I bet they say that they can take down your site for whatever reason - in other words, you may have no rights there (except MORAL rights - as in when Sir David's unoffending links page was taken down.) I would imagine that Geocities would remove anything that a reputable lawyer complained about - with cause.

With sites like Roger's House of Drek, and Jean-Michel's DLM/EV papers, the situation is a bit more problematic. The servers have been paid for the web space for these sites (ditto for ex-premie.org), although they probably have a similar kind of service contract. However, because of the financial relationship, the servers generally will treat these cases with a bit more care - in other words, contact the people who run these sites and tell them WHY the sites have been removed, etc.

There are guidelines which deal with the issue of site removal, and with the reasons these sites were removed - copyright infringement, etc. - on the internet. My feeling, though - from what I've learned and read - is that the whole question of rights of free speech, deciding what is or what isn't copyright infringement, and so forth, is relatively muddled right now. A lot of people here have posted the various guidelines - CQ posted the ones I have seen most frequently below. But (and any lawyers here can correct me if I'm wrong), internet law still seems to be 'in process' in many areas.

BTW, from what I've learned so far, one can post documents if commentary is provided. The issue of photographs is a bit murkier though - no one really seems to know - and I doubt if EV even knows who has copyright on all of the pictures of Maharaji that are on the internet. I'm guessing that the individual photographer has copyright in many cases - whoever that might be. Also, there is a question about copyright from DLM publications - since DLM is defunct, and there are also questions about who owns the pictures taken before the big family feud (Mata Ji, Sat Pal?)
The point I'm making here is that a lot of specific information needs to be provided before 'copyright infringment' can be PROVEN. However, as we all know, intimidation doesn't necessarily require PROOF.

Stay away from that expresso, Madame Z.!
Take care -
Katie

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:11:52 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Photos
Message:
Most, if not all, of the 'official' pics of the goomer were/are taken by long-term devotee and happy snapper Michael Woods, who is empployed (and may be an officer of) Dunrite Productions out of - you guessed it - Thousand Oaks CA. As a sidebar, Michael is a former boyfriend of the infamous Monika Lewis, who rumor has it ditched him for someone infinately more powerful! Anyway I would hazard that the copyrights belong to Dunrite rather than Elan Vital?
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:01:07 (GMT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: Photos
Message:
But he lived in the ashram in the early 70's and was a 'member' of the church do 'duty' as the photographer. they may have tidied up the legal stuff since then but the paper trail from when we was a shramie and photographer would be interesting. I shared a bedroom and a few ashrams with him over the years in denver. He was (whatever an ashram premie was) Monk, preiest, brother of the devine nolight mission. Yes how did M get title to those works from the church?
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 20:02:01 (GMT)
From: GAC
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: Photos - Maybe Al owns the copyrights?
Message:
Dunrite

Corporation
DUNRITE PRODUCTIONS, INC.
Number: C1435503Date Filed: 4/29/1988Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Mailing Address
PO BX 6998
THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91359
Agent for Service of Process
ALVARO PASCOTTO ESQ
1800 AVENUE OF THE STARS STE 600
LOS ANGELES, CA 90067

  • For information about certification of corporate records or for additional corporate information, please refer to Corporate Records

    Wahadamar


    Corporation
    WAHADAMAR, INC.
    Number: C1710708Date Filed: 8/3/1992Status: active
    Jurisdiction: California
    Mailing Address
    PO BOX 1437
    THOUSAND OAKS, CA 91358
    Agent for Service of Process
    ALVARO PASCOTTO
    1800 AVENUE OF THE STARS #600
    LOS ANGELES, CA 90067

    • For information about certification of corporate records or for additional corporate information, please refer to Corporate Records

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:01:48 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: all
Subject: The Digital Millenium Copyright Act
Message:
CQ has posted some relevant parts of this below, but the whole thing is interesting reading.

Here's the link
The Digital Millenium Copyright Act

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:30:19 (GMT)
From: How stupid
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: is it possible to be?
Message:
Under copyright rules, if someone copies, distributes or displays a copyrighted work publicly without authority of the copyright owner or its agent, then a violation of law has occurred. Even innocent infringements are subject to penalties. In addition to injunctive relief, a copyright owner prevailing in an infringement action may be entitled to receive actual damages and profits of the infringer, or statutory damages ($500-$20,000 per work infringed; up to $100,000 per work in cases of willful infringement), plus attorneys fees.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:16:05 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: How stupid
Subject: Hey Prem Rawat - you're stupid too, remember..!
Message:
How's '...peace on earth in my lifetime' going these days?

You said 'I will feed the world ... and watch how I do it.'

Was that, or was it not a stupid thing for you to say?

(Am I in breech of copyright repeating these words or could that be a legitimate quotation? Clarification needed.)

Read Katie's post again and ask yourself who appears most stupid, here, Prem.

Jai Satchitanand, you repulsive fake.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 17:45:48 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: How stupid
Subject: Pretty stupid, apparently!
Message:
Read the stuff on the link I gave. Also, what I said about documents is true. Plus it is necessary to prove the stuff was copyrighted in the first place - something that EV has not done yet.

You know, this attempted intimidation via financial threat is getting a bit tiring, especially when done by anonymous posters.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:03:23 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: anonymous threatener
Subject: And specifically...
Message:
Proper written notification from a copyright owner to an OSP must include
- the name, address and electronic signature of the complaining party,
- sufficient information to identify the copyrighted work or works, the infringing matter and its Internet location,
- a statement by the owner that it has a good faith belief that there is no legal basis for the use of the materials complained of
- and a statement of the accuracy of the notice and, under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner.

This section of the DMCA has been posted at least 10 times in the last two days. The point we are trying to make is that this information has not been provided as yet. How hard is this to understand!?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:17:41 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: got that part
Message:
I have seen the assorted copyright guidelines ect ect.
What is wierd is that it sounds like exs are waiting for the specifics (as you listed above) from the lawyer.
What makes you think they will provide specifics? Why should they? Because some ex premie might sue them?
They have accomplished what they wanted. Intimidation.

You dont have to answer me Katie I can imagine that you are waiting for a similar move.

I'll drop it, but I sure hope Roger and Dave have a copy of what these lawyers sent to the isp so that they at least can exercise the right of reply by ASKING the lawyers for the copyrighted items to be itemised instead of waiting.

Heres a cammomile tea in yer eye
Zelda

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:01:52 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Intimidation didn't work. Then what's next?
Message:
Are they going to send emissaries (who?), discuss with us separately, call a meeting, bribe us?

I take the bets....

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:42:23 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: got that part
Message:
Hi Zelda -
Yes, I am guessing that they don't have to provide specifics if all they want to do is get the site off line. And yes, we are still waiting.

Chamomile tea - maybe. I think I'll have a beer instead :)

Cuppachino to you too -
Katie

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:33:22 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Zelda
Subject: what I know is...
Message:
I have yet to receive a copy of the letter of complaint that was sent to my ISP by Milbank, Tweed & Hadley on behalf of Elan Vital and Maharaji. The ISP is rather skittish and is trying to play by the rules to avoid any financial liability.

However, I believe that the complaint reads something like this:

'...pejorative images of Maharaji, reproduction of religious texts...'

Anyway, it's something like that and it's very general and unless there is more to the letter that I have not yet seen there is nothing specific that identifies pages with specific infringement. However, I've been told that the letter of complaint does not necessarily need to have the specifics as the DMCA might indicate.

Interesting is the fact that the complaint would use the term 'pejorative images of Maharaji' as any and all pejorative images of a Public Figure is protected speech. Are these lawyers that ignorant of the law? Or are these lawyers merely trying to intimidate a small and underfunded ISP?

Also, I do not believe that I have published any of Maharaji's religious texts. Yes, I have excerpted him in short paragraphs or less, but that falls under Fair Use.

And wouldn't the statement about religious texts then indicate that Maharaji and Elan Vital are a religious organization? Yet, I believe that publicly they make every effort to distance themselves from religion. Are they registered as a Religious Organization or an Educational Organization? Sometimes you feel like a nut!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 11:38:09 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Did you get my mail? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:17:23 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Putting a fine point on it
Message:
so Winkin Blinkin and Nod sent the letter about your site to the ISP and the ISP dont want/have to show it to you?

It seems they should fax it to you right away.

Because if they dont you have no means of reply or counter move because Nahahahah has accused you falsely.

Have you asked them to forward the letter to you?

I can understand why the ISP needs to be cautious but a teeny leetle thaaang like giving you a copy of the letter never hurt nobody.

You aint gonna sue no ISP for pulling the plug on your site.

but it might be fun to prod Winkin and Co for some answers.

Just thinking this through Roger. Its fine for all you to be nice an cosy and have a common experience, but from where I sit it looks like a forum flailing around because the sky is falling.

(Bad analogy but it sounded right at the time):((

My screen doth ricochet with events

I hope you all are having meetings over foamy beers and taking notes and planning strategy and all that

done now
Selda

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:39:55 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: what I know is...
Message:
Sounds like EV is copying the Church of Latter Day Saints. Interesting!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:45:22 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: what I know is...
Message:
And I say this specifically because of the words 'religious texts' - as in the Latter Day Saints case. Someone must have been reading the newspaper :). However, it IS interesting that they would use those particular words - 'The Book of Maharaji', anyone?

Curiouser and curiouser.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:37:15 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: On Scientologists from LA Weekly
Message:
Offbeat: Surf’s Up for Scientologists
by

Admirers of L. Ron Hubbard have launched a major environmental and morality offensive in Southern California’s beach cities,
rankling critics who say the proselytizers have been less than forthcoming about their ties to the Church of Scientology.

The controversy first flared when Scientology Surf Club president Rob Hoover asked the city of Malibu to proclaim March 13 L.
Ron Hubbard Day, in honor of Scientology’s founder. The request made the City Council agenda, but was withdrawn by Hoover
when March 13 came and went with no action.

“I was shocked when I saw [the proclamation request] on the agenda,” said longtime Malibu resident Ruby Fader. “I don’t see any
reason to promote the Church of Scientology. To me, it is a cult.”

Both the ACLU and the Malibu city attorney said the proclamation would have violated the constitutional separation of church
and state. That didn’t stop the San Diego County city of Encinitas, however, which in March issued a Hubbard Day proclamation
— without realizing that Hubbard was Scientology’s founder, according to Encinitas Mayor James Bond. Bond said Hoover told
him only that Hubbard was a writer and surfer who lived in Encinitas in 1934.

“I think that, in truth, he should have let us know that [Hubbard] was a founder of Scientology so we at least had that knowledge,”
Bond said. “What his motive was for not sharing it with me only he knows.” (Hoover, who used Scientology letterhead to make
his request, said he had assumed Bond knew who Hubbard was.)

Adding clout to Hoover’s requests for proclamations was his beach cleanup work with Heal the Bay and the Surfrider Foundation,
two well-respected groups dedicated to saving California’s coastline. Maria Ferrara, vice president of public affairs for the Church
of Scientology’s Celebrity Center, is on the Surfrider foundation‘s executive committee.

In pitching the Hubbard Day idea to Malibu, Hoover presented the City Council with a copy of Hubbard’s 1981 “Way to
Happiness” moral code. The code is disseminated worldwide by the Way to Happiness Foundation. The foundation claims to be
separate from the Church of Scientology. But executive director Joni Ginsberg and celebrity spokeswoman Nancy Cartwright (the
voice of Bart Simpson) are both Scientologists. Bridge Publications prints both the “Happiness” code and Hubbard’s religious and
science-fiction writings.

“We use [the “Happiness” code] as an inspiration,” said Ferrara. “It is separate from the church. We employ the book because it is
so universal.”

In April, foundation members took part in the Church of Scientology Celebrity Center International’s Adopt-a-Beach cleanup at
Zuma Creek. Ferrara got a photo credit for a picture of the cleanup that appeared on the front page of the April 27 issue of the
Malibu Times. The newspaper did not disclose Ferrara’s connection to the church or the cleanup event. Copies of the 95-page
“Happiness” handbook, with 21 moral precepts, including “Don’t be promiscuous,” “Do not murder” and “Safeguard and improve
your environment,” were passed out to surfers and contestants during a Malibu surf competition last month, put on by the Way to
Happiness Foundation.

Ferrara, however, insisted church members are trying to clean up the beaches, not recruit new members.

“It is the most unglamorous thing you can do in your life,” said Ferrara. “We’re out there in a social capacity, not a religious
one.” —Christine Pelisek

LOSING HIS RELIGION?

In other Scientology news, OffBeat was amazed to read in US weekly earlier this month that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman had
begun severing their ties to the Church of Scientology. US also reported that Cruise, while filming the Warner Bros. film Eyes
Wide Shut, had “hinted” to the studio that releasing the John Travolta project Battlefield Earth would be a mistake. A week
later, however, US Weekly ran a “For the Record” notice declaring that the magazine had subsequently “found” that Cruise
remains an “active and committed member of the Church of Scientology” and that the actor had never said, much less “hinted,”
anything negative about Battlefield. Nevertheless, the widely panned sci-fi groaner, based on Scientology founder L. Ron
Hubbard’s novel, appears to be going down as a colossal box-office failure. OffBeat, which has been the object of Scientology’s
none-too-tender PR ministrations, would love to know what went on behind the scenes of the correction . . .

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:53:00 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Daneane
Subject: Maharaji is one step closer to Scientologists now
Message:
Yes, back in the old days there were efforts to promote Maharaji ala the Hubbard Day in Malibu. Remember when he received some U.S. Congressional something or other? Remember the 'humanitarian' works and cleanups we did in the '70s? Yes, it was good works, but seeing the real motive of such deeds and seeing how the Scientologists operate it's all a bunch of crap to suck in more suckers.

Having exited Maharaji's cult not too long ago, I was pretty much satisfied about the way that Maharaji no longer did things in a large and public way that would be embarrassing to the 'effort' and also to myself through association.

I would look at examples like Scientology and be relieved that I was in something that was better than that. Look at Scientology, please. Lawsuits, on the streets handing out leaflets for free personality tests, huge signs with the Scientology name on their buildings (e.g. L.A.)

And now, Maharaji has really moved one step closer to Scientology with his effort to silence his critics.

What's next? I'll tell you what's next. I'll tell you the logical progression ala the Scientology model. For years no one knew that L. Ron Hubbard (Elron) was dead. Supposedly, he was alive and well and living on his yacht out in international waters or wherever. His works and his orders would be relayed onshore. But, he was dead, dead, dead. Why did they do this? Because their was money to be made.

So, could Maharaji end up living on his yacht ala Elron and sending in his inspiration via DVD?

Yup, it's already happening and it happened at the Knowledge Session in Miami just the other day - the sacred Knowledge of Knowledges that cannot be learned from books was disseminated via DVD.

You're on your way now, Maharaji. Bigger and better and more discrete than ever. A money making enigma. If only his critics would shut the hell up. No, Maharaji, we're going to be like an army of angry fire ants dining on your bloated body, you snake, you.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:06:45 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Homework assignment on Scientology and Court
Message:
Cases at the www.eff.org on Scientology
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:10:25 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Everyone
Subject: The BIG WHAT IF - What if Maharaji is a nobody?
Message:
The Protected Speech where we can legally create and publish pejorative pictures of Maharaji for the purpose of parody and excerpt his religious texts for fair use is largely based on the fact that Maharaji is a Public Figure. You really cannot get away with this kind of stuff with your ordinary Joe Blow off of the streets.

So, what if, just what if Maharaji isn't a Public Figure anymore?

Is there a statute of limitations where somebody has their fifteen minutes of fame where they are a public figure and then they slip back into obscurity and become a nobody again?

Could it be that Maharaji is just a plain old nobody and he is not a public figure. After all, he's hardly ever in the press anymore. He doesn't have premies running around with wheat paste putting up posters on freeway underpasses, lightpoles, and dumpsters. He hasn't appeared on broadcast television in the U.S. for decades.

What's his claim to fame anyway? Hell, wasn't he just a small time Indian guru? What was so outrageous about him anyway to make him a public figure? It's not like he claimed to be God or anything like that. It's not like he brainwashed anybody and made them do things that they wouldn't do on their own.

What's the big deal about this guy, huh?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:43:19 (GMT)
From: I lisp
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: The BIGGER WHAT IF - Roger E Drek is a nobody?
Message:
The major problem many of you seem to have is in recognising 99% of the material presented is done so in an abusive , unsubstaniable manner. Like 'Posse comitatis' or the KKK you will live and die on one thing. Your own Rhetoric. From the public's point of view you are just another nasty little group of disgruntled wannabees. You get what you deserve and will be assessed in the same way as any other group by the ISP's and the law. Act responsibly and that's how you will be treated. Read your site then dis of to another chatroom....How nasty and aggressive is it here? About 9 on the Richter scale. At least Dave treats you like a Guest!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:38:15 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: U Thunt (I gotta lisp?)
Subject: Hey Prem Rawat!
Message:
Why do your followers no longer have to fear their minds?

Why don't they have to 'constantly' meditate? Why are they no longer required to spend all their waking hours in satsang, service or meditation?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:10:49 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: U Thunt (I gotta lisp?)
Subject: So how do you 'responsibly' explain this?
Message:
At the indoctrination dvd (divine video delegation) session today in Miami the newbies were first given a 2 page lecture on the rules of engagement.one biggy i'm told was that they should refrain from discussing their experience (or lack of more like) with each other during lunch.

but why? what has the goomer got to fear from the newbies talking to each other? the truth? isnt it a 'kings new clothes syndrome?' picture the conversation:

newbie A: So, what did YOU experience?

newbie B: Well, not a lot actually, how bout you?

newbie A: Zippo. What's this all about then?

newbie B: Dunno. Its a seed though innit?

etc etc. Suppression right from the gitgo. Wake up fool.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:19:56 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: DVD - I wonder what the special features are?
Message:
Do you suppose there is a menu and various scenes that can be accessed??

I wonder if there is a scene of M just there on screen looking around the room as he gives his personal master's attention to each of his newly devoted?

I wonder if they were filmed new in digital, or just stuff from old videos?

I'd guess there are some for the people conducting the event. Probably with charts and diagrams of clearly showing precisely where each chair should go??

Maybe some tutorials of M dictating exactly what facial expression to have at each point??

DVD Master. I dunno...maybe just a bit too intimate for me.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:35:23 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: No this is the REAL DEAL
Message:
This is the next big thing - Virtual Satguru.

Had to come, that's progress. Ha! and we all thought it was gonna be Hansi! Nope, God just went High-Tech!

From what my source tells me, it's just the goomer showing the techniques sort of up close and personal. Maybe some preamble Q&A etc just to set the mood. BUT it means HE doesn't have to actually BE there, and you know he dont trust his dimwit initiators any more.

Supposed to have all the latest encryption locks on it, to prevent unauthorized viewing (read unpurchased viewing eventually). Check your fave warez site for the key maybe? anyone get hold of a copy? Course you know this means the techniques are copyright protected now. Smooth move huh?

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:58:51 (GMT)
From: Not sure
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: A Question
Message:
Did I understand you correctly???
the people that received knowledge yesterday in Miami, recieved it from a video screen? Maharaji did not personally show up?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:44:30 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: DVD...
Message:
I picture a room full of camcorders filming the Guru on the TV screen. No contact. Yeah, that inspires love and trust in me.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:57:07 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Yeah but think of the economics
Message:
Face it, programs are loss-leaders, they dont barely pay the hall & vendor bills most of the time with registration fees. So they went with satellites. Bigger audience/cash intake lower overheads. Only that left his lardship still having to slog his butt on these road trips dishing out the mighty K to the masses. ANd initiators? Forget them morons. No QC. No man DVD is the way to go. Give the disk to the init., he slaps it in the player and feels useful, the newbies get divine grace by proxy. And what does EV do wiv its $17million year budget? Bolster up its legal expense allocation:) & try to figure out how to write it off when there's no costly travel expenses and halls to pay for.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:07:02 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: From what new locations??
Message:
M from the jacuzzi...

M from the tennis court...

He's gotta speak somewhere to be taped, eh? If they filmed digitally, could they just paste stuff together?? Or would that be too expensive.

I saw once in a video, one of the the things they wanted people to volunteer to work as was writers. I always thought that was pretty interesting.

Will these DVDs be only for knowledge?? Would he try to appease his hungry PWK masses with those as well I wonder?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:19:33 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Probably from his luxury yacht!
Message:
This first one is like I said, to save him dragging his fat ass around the globe & putting up with the questions and the B.O. of all these newbies. Its him showing the techniques to camera. thats all i know, havent seen it. I suppose they could double up as knowledge review fodder too. wonder what the 'suggested contribution to cover costs' will be?
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:48:22 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: U Thunt (I gotta lisp?)
Subject: Ha, that's just so funny
Message:
From the public's point of view you are just another nasty little group of disgruntled wannabees.

The rest of your post is too dumb for words. This is too, don't get me wrong, but it just raises an issue I love talking about with you stupid cult members: the 'public'. See, maybe I'm wrong (and Lord knows it won't be the first time!), but I could have sworn that the public is always entirely bemused if not downright stupefied to know that the fat, little Lord of the Universe hasn't imploded or exploded or maybe just deflated like a sour wind bag. So which outsiders have you been talking to, asshole?

Sorry, I didn't mean that.


.......no, I did. You're an asshole. Make that asshole and your cult leader's in for some real bad times, fella. Real bad. Get ready!

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:31:33 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: U Thunt (I gotta lisp?)
Subject: Where do they get these people?
Message:
I cannot believe that any one with more than a half a brain could say crap like that. It's even stupider than most premies. In fact, it's an insult to premies.

99% of the material presented is done so in an abusive , unsubstaniable manner

Dud, have Maharaji open up his books and let the truth correct us where we are wrong. Topics like:

  • Jagdeo - was he a pedophile?
  • Did Maharaji protect Jagdeo by banishing him to the South Pacific and Thailand?
  • Was Maharaji involved in Fakiranand being whisked out of the country to avoid what might have been attempted murder charges?
  • Are Maharaji's finances completely on the up and up?

Come on, Lisper. If Maharaji would just come out in the open and discuss these things we could be straightened out and I'm sure we'd be happy to admit the errors of our ways.

From the public's point of view you are just another nasty little group of disgruntled wannabees.

Bud, what do you think the Public's point of view would be about your freaky little cult with fatso leading the parade in his Mala?

You get what you deserve and will be assessed in the same way as any other group by the ISP's and the law.

Bud, the law will vindicate us. All is Protected Free Speech in the U.S.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:10:59 (GMT)
From: Howard Stern
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Where do they get these people?
Message:
Nah, you are just about finished.Lights are on but....no-one home? Reality check...try reading the crap you produce under your various alias' and look impartially...Stop sending out your 'kits'.....There is nothing newsworthy just jaded hippies..
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:33:16 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Howard Stern
Subject: Hey Prem Rawat!
Message:
Old hippies or no, we used to dig your garden, refurbish your residences, pay for your cognac, polish your ego and sing of your glories. We even brought our friends along - such was our pride in your stated ambitions to bring eternal peace to the whole planet.

You liked us then. Perhaps you even appreciated all we did for you, when you were sober.

Listen Prem: even jaded old hippies can still function in the world on their OWN resources - unlike ridiculous fake messiahs like you. You'll be a socially inadequate joke once the last devotee comes to their senses and leaves your happy haven for the deluded.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:39:40 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Howard Stern
Subject: Centre yourself Howard
Message:
You have the knowledge of all knowledges remember. Just focus, be in 'that place' and don't worry about old Rog', he's just part of all this Maya, Delusion and Confusion, like this screen you're reading now.

The Lord is here, fear not.

Why don't you dust off your beragon, nail it upside down to the floor, put a blanket over your head, and sit down firmly on it.

Have a deep, inner experience.

Anth the deluded, hate filled, crazed and confused, on his last legs, look what happens to you if you stop practising, I'll be rotting in hell forever with the other exes, while you're up there in heaven, flying around with god in his Challenger. Oh what the fuck, forgive me lord, please take me back, Howard is right....(pathetic whimpering sobs) Heroin I need more heroin.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:27:10 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Remember 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?'
Message:
Roger,

Any guy that sends out press kits to literally thousands of newspapers, magazines, tv and radio stations just begging them to take him seriously as the Saviour of Mankind, who invites the entire world to the Houston Astrodome for the Most Significant Event in the History of Mankind, who urges his followers to drop everything else, not be shy but shout in the streets that the Lord of the Universe is here, who never once publically resiles from his public promise to bring peace to the world, who, in fact, to this day has large, nostalgic festivals commemorating those 'early days' at which he sells tables of souvenirs of his ministry, such as it is, who to this day continues to travel the world ballyhooing his unique properties as 'The Master' and who now has procured a satellite delivery system for this same pay-per-view ministry, who has, not so incidentally, amassed a sizeable personal fortune on the basis of this expressed identity as 'The Master' and who, in fact, has established a network of internet sites expounding his talents and virtues and selling 'introductory materials' to anyone possibly interested in 'learning more', is a public figure. Relax.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:12:28 (GMT)
From: Roger Nobody eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Jim
Subject: Thanks, Jim. But, damnit I'm a nobody and I'm bad
Message:
Thanks, Jim. I'm relaxing now since you've convinced me that our little man, Maharaji, is still a Public Figure and he will always be.

But, now Mr. Spammer da Rapper is telling me that I'm a nobody and basically if I read between the lines I think he's telling me that I'm a bad person, too.

And all we got here is a Hate Site and it is a bad, bad thing when all we got to say is bad things about the beloved Maharaji. We iz bad and we is mad bad. And we lose all of our rights when we complain and are so mean and hateful and say bad things instead of say nice things like how we are successful private investors and how we invented things and have a patent on a watch and paint our own pictures and make our own music and sing, too.

And how if we ever leave the mean and drunken philandering Daddy that we will shatter into a million pieces and turn into rotting vegetables and then go to hell or be reborn over and over again as cockroach. Now, that is positive stuff. Why can't I be more that? Maybe I'm being too critical and Maharaji wasn't that bad after all.

Damn, why can't I just move on and get a life?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 08:16:38 (GMT)
From: U Thunt
Email: None
To: Roger Nobody eDrek
Subject: Thanks, Jim. But, damnit I'm a nobody and I'm bad
Message:
I am a member of the public.You assume to much. Pure Militia bullshit....What makes you think you have a license on truth.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:38:55 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: U Thunt
Subject: Liar!
Message:
I'm going to go out on a short limb here and call you a liar. There's no way you're not a premie. Only premies would be so stupidly defensive and scared of the truth about Maharaji. Public, my ass.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 14:31:01 (GMT)
From: Thunt
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Higher!
Message:
Ahhh, but you are wrong this time
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 16:23:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: U Thunt(I do got a lisp!)
Subject: Bullshit
Message:
I don't usually do this but in this case I have no qualms saying categorically that you're lying. You're a premie, you're not some 'outsider'. Fuck off.
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 02:13:43 (GMT)
From: U Thunt
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Bullshit
Message:
A sixth sense? Intuition?
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 03:08:27 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: U Thunt
Subject: No, dude, common sense
Message:
You're most definitely a premie, aren't you? And you've probably posted here before under another name too. Right?

Why don't premies have any pride, integrity or honesty? Why is that? How did they all turn from righteous (albeit terribly misguided) 'seekers of truth' into slime like you? Any ideas?

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 10:27:40 (GMT)
From: U Thunt
Email: I Cant? UN???
To: Jim
Subject: No, dude, me and George, Mahogany Lumberjacks!
Message:
Now Jim , thats called painting the picture. Trouble is you are not examining the subject. I find the whole sham a fascinating little melodrama being played out by a group of seriously deranged dysfunctional DUDES. What is this you think , therefore it is? You don't happen to know a guy called George Speight do you? He's running a new holiday resort in Fiji. Used to be called Parliament. Known now as Methodist Anarchy for the seriously financially disaffected. Hell , you'd love it ! Get away from and have a long holiday...from Democracy! Yeah Jim , you and George! Freedom Fighters for Thought control .Hey, you are SO KOOL..... You just split my coconut!
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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:27:05 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: U Thunt
Subject: As the worm turns
Message:
You idn't answer the question. Have you ever posted here before and, if so, under what name?

I say you're a premie because only a premie would make such vain, stupid, anonymous defences of this pathetic idiocy called 'Maharaji'. Do you really think garbage like you've just posted fools anyone?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:40:24 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: U Thunt
Subject: Hey Prem Rawat!
Message:
When your feet move, does the mind still shake? Does the word in our soul wake? Could you dance on forever like nothing else matters..?
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 14:02:27 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: U Thunt
Subject: U thunk it, we dunk it
Message:
Interesting phrase: license on truth.

Right now I'm comparing two groups of people in my mind: the motley group of folks called ex-premies I hang out with now and then in cyberspace (motley being an old English word referring to patchwork dress of many colors); and the group of premies I used to hang out with.

Now, U Thant, which group do you think really perceives itself as having a monopoly on truth?

(Hint: the group I have in mind passes out introductory videos to likely marks just like Amway believers do.)

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