Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 22:07:26 (GMT)
From: Jul 07, 2000 To: Jul 17, 2000 Page: 4 Of: 5


Marianne -:- Off to do battle (OT) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:12:19 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Off to do battle (OT) -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 19:19:58 (GMT)
__ Gerry -:- Good Luck, Marianne (nt) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:57:07 (GMT)

jondon -:- Just read some reviews of LOTU... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 08:54:14 (GMT)
__ film flam man -:- Just read some reviews of LOTU... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 23:26:08 (GMT)
__ blood -:- Just read some reviews of LOTU... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:23:00 (GMT)
__ __ jondon -:- I think we just did...... -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 00:41:34 (GMT)

Rob -:- Keep a candle burning [OT] -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:02:42 (GMT)
__ cq -:- One for the road ... -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 18:29:53 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Too bad -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 18:05:08 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Keep a candle burning [OT] -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:15:44 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- How long married? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:28:12 (GMT)
__ __ VP -:- What does your husband think, Tonette? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 18:06:35 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Thanks but this is not up for discussion (nt) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:36:21 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Keep a candle burning [OT] -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:07:58 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- Keep a candle burning [OT] -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:51:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- Keep a candle burning [OT] -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:53:41 (GMT)

Keith -:- Synergy. -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:15:51 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Well it might (not?) be constructive... -:- Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 23:31:13 (GMT)
__ bill -:- Synergy........a life of love -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:36:00 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Bill - I Love your posts (sometimes..!) -:- Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 23:49:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- Bill - I Love your posts (sometimes..!) -:- Thurs, Jul 13, 2000 at 00:08:32 (GMT)
__ bill -:- 16 candles.....times three.......b-day -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:58:48 (GMT)
__ __ Keith -:- Follow the heart... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:58:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- Follow the concept actually -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 01:22:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ VP -:- Follow the concept actually -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 20:09:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Keith -:- Follow the concept actually -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 01:43:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Bill -:- Kieth,VP -:- Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:40:11 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- And the point is? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:35:38 (GMT)
__ __ Keith -:- And the point is? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:43:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Keith -:- and insomnia! nt. -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:49:54 (GMT)

Zen -:- The Knowledge Session in Spanish. -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 23:47:20 (GMT)
__ The Spanish Forum Traffic -:- has increased incredibly!! hehehehe...(nt) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:31:37 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Who's laughing now? Not me: HELL is real there NT -:- Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 17:44:46 (GMT)
__ And Soon Will be Included -:- In the Spanish Forum (nt) from SB -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:12:40 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- It is In the Spanish Forum Now (nt) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:49:27 (GMT)
__ __ Zen -:- OK. Included. NT -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:20:48 (GMT)
__ __ Zen -:- In the Spanish Forum (nt) from SB -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:15:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- What this forum doesn't know is... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:06:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Zen -:- What this forum doesn't know is... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 10:18:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- A night to Celebrate!! -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:32:20 (GMT)

Tonette -:- Roger's House of Maharaji Drek -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 23:22:40 (GMT)
__ Bethesda ex -:- Roger's House of Maharaji Drek -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 23:41:27 (GMT)
__ __ Helen -:- Roger's House of Maharaji Drek -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 02:08:51 (GMT)
__ Bjørn -:- edited -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:34:45 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Completely out of line, Bjorn! -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:42:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joey -:- With all due respect, Katie.... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:26:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Brian -:- Yes and No -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:26:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- EPO needs a new webmaster -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 15:51:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Thank you for this response, Brian (nt) -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 01:13:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Am I missing something? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:46:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- but gerry, not everyone understands satire (NT) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 22:31:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- that was the word I wanted--satire -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 23:34:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Are you under psychiatric care yet, Joey? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 17:56:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Jim, you got your head so far up Roger's ass... -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 00:38:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Well, are you? (nt) -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 16:22:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- Jim, aren't you an alcoholic fuckbrain ?? -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 16:37:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- No, as a matter of fact. Thanks for asking -:- Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:37:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- No, as a matter of fact. Thanks for asking -:- Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 02:59:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- In view of this - FA please note -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:28:49 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Take it off your site, please! -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:34:50 (GMT)
__ __ RobertB -:- If you build it they will come -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 12:32:48 (GMT)
__ Boogie Nights -:- Booby Ji? He's Roger's Mascot and Harmless nt -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:56:32 (GMT)
__ __ Bjørn -:- Booby Ji? He's Roger's Mascot and Harmless nt -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:36:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ FA: Why is bjorn here -:- Mascot and Harmless? nt -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:12:17 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Roger's House of Maharaji Drek -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:35:51 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- Roger's House of Maharaji Drek -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:36:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- I see what you mean now -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:07:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Roger that filth IS disgusting (nt) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:15:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ GERRY -:- hEY i WAS JUST KIDDING.... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:35:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bill -:- rawat told instructors lots of dirty jokes 84/85 -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:01:29 (GMT)

TD -:- Photos on elanvital.org's homepage -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 22:46:04 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Because they want to cover up -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:33:59 (GMT)

Powerman -:- Time for Elaine to take a powder -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 15:45:28 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Maybe premies should be on a timer -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 18:59:54 (GMT)
__ __ Keith -:- Maybe premies should be on a timer -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:34:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Feline stoat -:- Maybe premies should be on a timer -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:32:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Too bad, Keith . . . -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:49:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Keith -:- Too bad, Keith . . . -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:51:48 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Time for Elaine to take a powder -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:45:18 (GMT)
__ __ Powerman -:- Time for Elaine to take a powder -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 18:20:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Keith -:- Time for Elaine to take a powder -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:42:15 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Mind you, the jail sentence would be long -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 17:17:45 (GMT)
__ SB -:- I'm telling you.... -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:12:12 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- I'm telling you.... -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 18:32:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Jerry -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:30:02 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Elaine answer please ASAP -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 15:49:49 (GMT)
__ __ VP -:- Elaine's threat? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 22:28:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- A point about threats -:- Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:36:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Keith -:- Elaine's threat? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:48:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ Powerman -:- Elaine's threat? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:00:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ VP -:- Elaine's threat? -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:31:21 (GMT)
__ __ Elaine -:- Elaine answer please ASAP -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:00:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Elaine why are you here? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:09:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Elaine why are you here? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:21:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- You're exasperating--never a straight answer -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:58:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- You're exasperating--never a straight answer -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:00:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Keith -:- You're exasperating--never a straight answer -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 06:04:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Yes: Because you 2 are 'shifty' ... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:30:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Still no answers from Elaine -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:10:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- gerry -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:39:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Come on, it's easy -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:36:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Come on, it's easy -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:42:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- I've never met someone as evasive as you -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:39:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Keith -:- I've never met someone as evasive as you -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 06:10:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- I'm not really here Keith, it's just a hologram.. -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:56:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- I've never met someone as evasive as you -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:27:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Finally someone else has noticed -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:40:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Keith -:- Mirror mirror on the wall.... -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 06:14:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Mirror mirror on the wall.... -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 18:32:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Do I need to say it? ;) (nt) -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:47:02 (GMT)

JtF -:- Will rawat ever put K up for sale?-manipulation -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 10:08:43 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Will rawat ever put K up for sale?-manipulation -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:29:06 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- New updated '9 objections letter' -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 07:37:14 (GMT)
__ SB -:- He is God and he can't deny it! Thanks JM (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 15:35:55 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Great quote from Shri Hans, J-M: -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 14:53:47 (GMT)
__ bill -:- New updated '9 objections letter' -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:12:46 (GMT)

Whatever happened to -:- thread -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:13:07 (GMT)
__ the mixed-up gypsy -:- Arthur Brigham? -:- Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:04:08 (GMT)
__ the gypsy -:- thread -:- Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 08:46:59 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Harry Paine? (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 22:53:28 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Harry Paine? He owes me 900 dollars since '83 -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:04:31 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- -:- Peter Dawson? (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 14:33:13 (GMT)
__ __ Anon -:- Peter Dawson? (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:00:20 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- alan imbarrato (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:47:10 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Joan Apter? nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:32:11 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- in the archives -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:34:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- around the beginning of April. nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:35:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- found it here -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:39:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bill -:- found it here....JM -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:11:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Thanks! Does not surprise me! nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:47:24 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Michael Hunt? (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:23:48 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Ira Woods? (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:22:41 (GMT)
__ __ Ira Wood answers M's mail -:- That is his divine service -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:36:02 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- Ira Woods is still very much around -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:31:05 (GMT)
__ __ I heard Ira is still a -:- premie (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:28:55 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Donna Morrell?(nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:21:24 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Fletcher Drake died several years ago nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:20:26 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Fletcher was a good person -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 13:47:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonete -:- Yes Fletcher was good -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:25:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Yes Fletcher was good -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:30:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ DV -:- Fletcher was famous for walking the four blocks -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:11:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Bob Stein -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:23:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ dv -:- Bob Stein -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:49:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- thanks, dv -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 19:01:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Charlie Dunder -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:31:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ DV -:- I'm not surprised-nt. -:- Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:51:00 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- George Robles (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:20:11 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Bill Patterson -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:19:04 (GMT)
__ __ Lurkex -:- Bill Patterson -:- Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 23:57:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Are you still in touch with your friend? -:- Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 21:50:55 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Grace Wallace? nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:18:28 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Newt gay? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:17:29 (GMT)
__ __ Whatever happened to -:- Rives McDow?(nt) -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 19:18:46 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Dennis the Cook Murphy? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:16:50 (GMT)
__ __ Dennis -:- Now does Asbestos Removal....... -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 14:25:37 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- Shelley Klavans? nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:15:36 (GMT)
__ Whatever happened to -:- John Knight? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:14:17 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- Grace Wallace, Randy Proudy, David Horesford? nt -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:18:34 (GMT)

Jim -:- OK, who's got fresh dirt? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:10:20 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Have a question -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:56:51 (GMT)
__ __ Monmot -:- Decaf Latas -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 05:04:16 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- OK, who's got fresh dirt? -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:43:18 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- I don't and am glad of it -:- Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:52:57 (GMT)


Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:12:19 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Off to do battle (OT)
Message:
Today I am headed off to another city on the west coast to argue one of my capital habeas corpus cases in the federal court of appeals. This is usually the last exit on the legal freeway at which my client's execution can be stopped, and at which he can be granted a new trial. There are very compelling reasons why he should get a new trial, including evidence of actual innocence.

If you are so inclined, send good thoughts to my client and me on Monday.

Thanks, Marianne

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 19:19:58 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Off to do battle (OT)
Message:
Whatever the outcome, your client has got the best pair of hands working on his behalf and I'm sure he knows you care too.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:57:07 (GMT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Good Luck, Marianne (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 08:54:14 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Just read some reviews of LOTU...
Message:
at the amazon.com site. These reviews are histerical, as is the video. Check 'em out, if you have'nt seen them yet:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/video-customer-reviews/B00001OX01/o/qid=963132391/sr=8-4/ref=aps_sr_v_3_1/103-6484641-7135040

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 23:26:08 (GMT)
From: film flam man
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Just read some reviews of LOTU...
Message:
Any chance of getting the reviews on epo?
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:23:00 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Just read some reviews of LOTU...
Message:
those are great. I wonder what the LOTU will have to go through to get them clipped. Guess the least someone could do is let M know they are there.
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 00:41:34 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: I think we just did......
Message:
let him know they are here.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:02:42 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Keep a candle burning [OT]
Message:
Folks I'll be disappearing for a spell as I'm moving out of State. Going to become another kind of 'ex' too - an ex-husband. Living with a premie has become just too incongruous, sadly an indication of my own progress away from the cult and the divisions that creates in a relationship. Jim you don't do divorce cases do you?:) Oh well, wish me luck. I'll maybe claim her infatuation with her guru was mental & emotional infidelity.

Don't get too comfortable Elaine, Mili, DD et al, I'll be back;)

Love to the rest of you.

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 18:29:53 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: One for the road ...
Message:
'til later, Rob

What makes men chase women they have no intention of marrying? The same urge that makes dogs chase cars they have no intention of driving.

Be your own guru!

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 18:05:08 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Too bad
Message:
Sorry to hear that, Rob. That's really too bad.

Stay in touch. Your input's really made a difference here recently. And the 'Rob' story's a good one. I'd ask you to call or something but we've already done that, right? Good luck.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:15:44 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: Rob
Subject: Keep a candle burning [OT]
Message:
Hi Rob -
Best wishes to you. I went through the same thing fairly recently, although my spouse was not a premie, and it is not easy, even when it's non-negotiable (it was in my case too). Please feel free to e-mail me if you ever want to talk about it.
Love to you -
Katie
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:28:12 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: How long married?
Message:
I live with one of those too! A premie that is! Boy, ain't always easy! They are constantly doing the 'ostrich routine' - head in the sand when the shit hits the fan. The 'what me worry' routine and this is a classic-my whole day is ruined because I didn't meditate! But I'm not perfect either. However, I did choose this guy as my husband and the father of my children and premie marriage or not, each and every marriage on this planet has it's shortcomings. If you have children yet to finish raising I wouldn't use the fact that she's a premie to end a marriage. Especially if there are children involved! I feel strongly about this as you can tell. Please don't get offended.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 18:06:35 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: What does your husband think, Tonette?
Message:
This is kind of personal, so don't feel you have to answer...but I have to ask: WHAT does your husband think about you posting here, on the ex-premie forum? What does he think about the fact that you don't believe in Maharaji anymore?

If anyone else wants to talk about their experience with loved ones who are premies, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:36:21 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Thanks but this is not up for discussion (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:07:58 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Keep a candle burning [OT]
Message:
Best wishes, Rob!!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:51:04 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Keep a candle burning [OT]
Message:
Have a great summer, it has been good to read you.
Fresh starts can be good. rawat has contributed to countless breakups including his own. His behaviour is STILL anti family.
The idiot has a program on fathers day. The bastard.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:53:41 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Keep a candle burning [OT]
Message:
I read Kieths thread first. The coincidence is unfortunate.
And certainly unrelated.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:15:51 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Synergy.
Message:
Firstly I want to thank Bill and Jerry for their last posts to me from a lower thread.
I thought that I might contribute more on some of my ideas about consciousness by transcribing some of what I shared at a workshop last year. Constructive responses welcomed.

At this time the word’synergy’ implies transforming fragmentation into unity. Or
chaos into harmony. Or disorder into order.
Fragmentation happens. Human experience fragments ,which is a simple way of
expressing something that has complex causes. Commentary given to the
explainations and analysis of these ‘causes of fragmentation’ tend to fall into
academic and professional (as well as scientific) ‘schools’ of thought. The same
applies to commentaries regarding how to transform fragmentation into or towards
unity. Of course the specific words used to describe these two orientations differ
according to the ‘discipline’ . For example in the health professions the terms
‘sickness’ and ‘healing’ might be employed.
In this ‘age of specialisation’ (another example of fragmentation) some of the
academic disciplines that have their own ‘mind set’ or ‘fragmented set of so-called
facts’ concerning synergy or the lack of it, are Historical (many branches here
alone), Sociological ,Philosophical, Psychological, Philological, Cultural (including
Anthropological) , Political , Biological , Theological and Educational.
Perhaps one could name these Academic commentative trends as a part of the
‘evolution of fragmentation’ . In other words, the various commentators through time
have helped to shape the ways in which we think about these matters.
But one thing is for sure. The very definition of fragmentation implies a lack of
wholeness , integratedness and synergy. As human experience this lack of wholeness
can be described as a ‘divided self’ , from which derive countless symptoms and
manifestations. However disfunctional or in the bigger picture seemingly
mal-adaptive, human desire and primary need seeks out forms of synergy. This is my
contention. This is an insight that I feel to follow. Like a beckoning finger egging me
on.
What helps to make this ‘subject’ somewhat complex is the ‘fact’ that relative
‘wholes’ (or gestalts) can be a part of a potentially greater Whole and that from the
perspective of the Greater Whole the lesser whole can appear fragmented. It is so
that synergy and fragmentation can function simultaineously. They are not exclusive
to each other. But the image of Utopia is an example of an ideal whereby all the
lesser wholes , all the fragments , are synergised and synthesised into a total ‘field’ of
harmony and order. This imagary of complete Wholeness is archetypal. I believe that
such Utopian images are encoded deep within human consciousness and themselves
beckon us on towards an essentially encoded evolutional journey.
These musings imply that in order for a complete or ultimate synergy to occur ,a
complete or ultimate ‘healing’ of fragmentation must likewise occur. This then goes
some way to expressing what I feel makes the human journey so special. We can
awaken to this challenge. Indeed such an awakening I feel marks a very special
‘phase’ in the developing story of evolution.

. Why do I want to do anything? What really motivates me to get out of bed in the
morning? Besides the needs to go to the bathroom or the kitchen ,which are
biological imperitives. What can inspire me to stir out of my existential apathy? Or
chronic boredom? What can stir something within to seek for something ‘more’?
What can stimulate my mind to ask questions as, who am I ? or what is my greater
potential?

When I confront the deep inner void within ; the place or space of silent emptyness ;
no answer to the core questions seem to emerge. Indeed the questions themselves
begin to evaporate. But from within this vast void occurs a type of unusual
receptivity. The fundamental ‘nature’ of phenomona about and around me take on a
luminousity that is direct, uncluttered and simple. Sounds of wind , ocean and even
my own breath are experienced more completely. All my ‘senses’ are enpowered and
enlivened. There is an urge from deep within to surrender to this realm of essential
‘nature’. To allow ‘it’ to overwhelm and dominate my ‘being’. And in a very
personally meaningful way this ‘experience’ is a response to my core questions.
Welcome to a more fundamental and real dimension of who I really am!

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Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 23:31:13 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Keith
Subject: Well it might (not?) be constructive...
Message:
...but you are confounding two areas of human experience here (consciousness and motivation). There is a whole pile of solid research in both areas you might investigate if you wanted to.

Unfortunately, people are motivated to believe whatever feels best. But, hell, it's your life - if it feels ok, you carry on... (but not here please!)

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:36:00 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: Synergy........a life of love
Message:
Well Kieth, you know, you lean on the input you have gotten from the buddhist, shaman, eastern religious world and I think it puts a cap on your horizon.

It seems like all the potentially great eastern thinkers dead end as a result of the misperception of life so popular with the oneness/void crowd.

I dont want to butt into private areas however I will.
I liked reading this post as it ended with that last paragraph which was very honest.

Here is where I butt in.
My birthday wish is that you move back in with Mira Bai no matter what kind of freaking nut case she may be sometimes. And that you try to really love her and your son daily. And, that you view your duty to your wife and kid is to help them make thier dreams come true. And that your dream is to love those you love and to have lots of years to love them.

truth is, you fill the 'void' with love and your 'apathy and boredom' will disappear and enthusiasm for the richness of loving relationships will grow. 'IT' will not do that for you.
Look at the dali lama, all he can reccomend is to 'meditate on the emptyness' what a waste of this golden opportunity to live a rich and beautiful life.

If you follow those who say contemplate your navel, or any of those that pretend in thier foolishness to tell you about 'truth', you will find that they distract you from the only thing you really want. Which is, to spend your time letting others know they are loved and letting others show you that YOU are loved. Not by god, but by other humans around you.

A life of love will replace all these words in your post.......
on second thought, no point in listing them....there are too many!........the unity you seek is just in loving relationships with those around you. You have a wife and son. Rejoin them and show them how much you care. YOU try to love without getting stopped by every little thing. There is the challenge of this life that you are after.

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Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 23:49:15 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: bill
Subject: Bill - I Love your posts (sometimes..!)
Message:
No irony. Nice one. Rejoining wife and kids ain't always for the best (believe me..) and might not be the answer for Keith, but I just wanted to say you sometimes express things exactly right, Bill, like here:


...truth is, you fill the 'void' with love and your 'apathy and boredom' will disappear and enthusiasm for the richness of loving relationships will grow. 'IT' will not do that for you. Look at the dali lama, all he can reccomend is to 'meditate on the emptyness' what a waste of this golden opportunity to live a rich and beautiful life.

If you follow those who say contemplate your navel, or any of those that pretend in thier foolishness to tell you about 'truth', you will find that they distract you from the only thing you really want. Which is, to spend your time letting others know they are loved and letting others show you that YOU are loved. Not by god, but by other humans around you.

So well said. More power to your elbow...

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Date: Thurs, Jul 13, 2000 at 00:08:32 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Bill - I Love your posts (sometimes..!)
Message:
Nigel, you are maybe the most amazing (to me) writer here. And there are some great posts here for sure. I know I go off the deep end on some topics and it is good to know some of it rates an A-OK. thanks for that.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:58:48 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: 16 candles.....times three.......b-day
Message:
what to wish for, well lets see
maybe to live till 93
or type a 'best' for Roger's house of Drek
or that my tongue will finally go up my neck
I could wish I may and wish I might,
that knowledge would finally 'work' tonight

Thanks to all the great posters who provide such a wealth of smart writing to read all year.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:58:30 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Follow the heart...
Message:
Your post touched me deeply Bill. It's not that I agree or disagree with what you have said. But you have touched into a vulnerable part of myself.
This is a phase of my life when changes once again are in the air. Many options present themselves. I feel in touch with a certain inner wisdom that is informing me to travel slowly.
Live day by day. Deal with the issues at hand. And the bigger choices I need to make will occur. I am open to anything. I still love Mirabai very much. But my life and hers is too complex to just see things in as simple as ways as you have expressed.
Never the less I did appreciate your sentiments.
Also, my post above was taken from my feelings of last year.
Things have changed a little bit. Anyway thanks for your posts.
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 01:22:40 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: Follow the concept actually
Message:
who knows what got into me to actually type that. The day after, as you know, I wonder if my posts were off the mark and today is no exception. It was in a way me talking to myself as that is the stuff I am trying to do in my life. Excuse any and all excess and personal intrusion. Although I think your self reflection makes you strong enough to handle intrusions. I guess I wanted to to see you in a situation you loved rather than what a couple of sentences in your post were indicating. It was a smart post you wrote. Didnt mean to imply the situation wasnt complex beyond repair. However, in my wildly contencious home environment, 4 boys, wife with medical and menapause issues not to mention whatever a May28th birthday brings to the table, AND a non cheerful alchoholic mother in law who is just disabled enough to need to live with us, and work relationships that swing with the tides, either I set my own tone or I am at thier mercy and all the issues and moods of others set the tone. I HAVE to make a regular effort to quietly say to myself in the midst of things that I want to deal with this moment with love and fun. And you know, by the end of the situation, that is what happens. I am sold on the concept. Others may just coast along and this effort may seem like an unnatural unnessary trip. But I live in a very challenging environment and I have to choose and act if that is the kind of life I want to live. So I guess I projected that as a solution for you. May not fit, what do I know.
I do see how viewing reality as a unchangable empty void would undermine my efforts to live beautifully. It seems to breed a cold vision of why I am here.
I want warmth. rawat reaped the harvest of his coldness. shun mom for 17 years. shun the brothers for life. all for the greater glory of the void I suppose.

Life clearly treats me like a pot on the pottery wheel, one hand supporting, and one hand whacking. With no apparent shapeing in mind, I get to choose that. So in spite of the daily twists and turns, I can choose to try to respond to it all in what I identify as the possibly coolest way. But about all I can do is remind myself of my intent in those moments and yet that seems to be enough of an effort so that I end up doing that.....at least by the end of the moment. But man, what the hell else is there but the give and take between me and this wild soup filled with people all so different. If it looked or sounded like rawat or ANY of those that go inside really are getting somehere, that would be one thing, but the real game is to engage with this world and get what you think you need.

As of this date, the stuff I mentioned to you is the stuff I have identified as what I am after.

whatever.
not exactly a pollyanna complex, I dont try to find the good in everything, just the good in me, and wish that it comes out in this or that moment. seems to help.

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 20:09:04 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Follow the concept actually
Message:
bill,

I wish I could meet you in real life. Yes, your four sons and menopausal wife, even the mother-in-law (well, maybe not!)
You are a sincere and good person.

Thanks for these posts in this thread, I agreed with your points about loving the people around you. I agree that when we meditate on our navel, we miss the point of living fully.
Peace

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 01:43:12 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Follow the concept actually
Message:
Thanks for sharing all that Bill. I can empathise with the 'complexity' of your situation. I don't agree with all your opinions but hey...what the heck! you take time out to share some of your reality with me..and that I really appreciate.
There is one theme running through your post that especially 'hits' a button for me. That within all this externally complex situation , which we call daily living, one needs to (at least I do too) try and discover what is right for me. I've been discussing this with friends lately. It's like , I have a prayer. Not in the religious sense. Rather, like praying to an abstract Power. I ask, please help guide me in a way that will be the best for those I most care about and myself too. There are always so many options. What choice to make? What to take heed of within that one can trust? I realise that on an intellectual or analytical level my capacity to know I'm making right choices is so limited. Limited by my past. So I try to turn to 'something' greater to guide me. You may disagree with this way of expressing this Bill. That's ok. But I would ask you this. How do you make the decisions you make? How do you go about this?
By the way , I'm not suggesting that intellectual and analytical processes are of no value. Only that when push comes to shove they are often not enough.
You shared a lot of really personal stuff with me. I feel not to do that here. As those who do not like me would, I fear, trample on delicate aspects of my life.
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Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 03:40:11 (GMT)
From: Bill
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: Kieth,VP
Message:
Hi Guys, VP, I forgot, where do you live?

Kieth, thanks for includeing me in you circle that you asked that question to. My thoughs of today on that were that I decide on my course based on my responsibilities to others. Mainly, the kids and wife. Your son comes with lots of responsibilities for you to have and enjoy so I say check with what his needs are and see what that requires out of you and that may help chart your own course. Chances are, you are being called on to provide him with manythings and you may or may not be able to do that now.
So, I say, look to see what career would give you the most money and you can pursue all YOUR dreams and projects in your off time. If one of them ends up paying the bills, then fine, but first things first, and if you are cash short, by all means, fix that even if it is not what you want to do.

You asked a good question, and it has more branch subjects, but this is what a nutshell version of all those other things I talked about with a freind today relating directly to what you said. Provide for those you love and that means time and money.

It is not always that we have boom times, a recession is inevitable and try to get set for that. Find a secure spot in the economy because your main duty is to to provide for your son and to help make his dreams come true as well as yours.

You mentioned a few other things I wanted to talk about but tonight there is someone needing the phone even at this late time so good night!

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:35:38 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: And the point is?
Message:
Frankly I couldn't follow what you said because it bored me to the point that I fell asleep! Sorry.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:43:24 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: And the point is?
Message:
the point is for you Tonette that if you ever suffer from amnesia just read one of my posts. It's free.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:49:54 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: and insomnia! nt.
Message:
nt.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 23:47:20 (GMT)
From: Zen
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The Knowledge Session in Spanish.
Message:
Clickhere
The Knowledge Session in Spanish.
Adress:
http://club.telepolis.com/zensolo/mj.htm
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:31:37 (GMT)
From: The Spanish Forum Traffic
Email: None
To: Zen
Subject: has increased incredibly!! hehehehe...(nt)
Message:
lurkers
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Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 17:44:46 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: The Spanish Forum Traffic
Subject: Who's laughing now? Not me: HELL is real there NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:12:40 (GMT)
From: And Soon Will be Included
Email: None
To: Zen
Subject: In the Spanish Forum (nt) from SB
Message:
sb
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:49:27 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: And Soon Will be Included
Subject: It is In the Spanish Forum Now (nt)
Message:
nthahahahaha....
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:20:48 (GMT)
From: Zen
Email: None
To: And Soon Will be Included
Subject: OK. Included. NT
Message:
Ok!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:15:52 (GMT)
From: Zen
Email: None
To: And Soon Will be Included
Subject: In the Spanish Forum (nt) from SB
Message:
Not. A friend of SB.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:06:54 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Zen
Subject: What this forum doesn't know is...
Message:
..that nobody had the time to translate it and you did it: Thanks!!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 10:18:26 (GMT)
From: Zen
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: What this forum doesn't know is...
Message:
I want 'destroyed' fat M!!!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:32:20 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Zen
Subject: A night to Celebrate!!
Message:
Somebody is going to give him the news...

I heard the traffic of the Spanish Forum has increased... Good for the exes!!

Maharaji? Oh, he's still my 'god': How can I ever forget that and go away. It's engraved in a part of my mind that is very tricky, you see? A part that he manipulated for many years without my permission, just because he thought he had the right to...Not so fast Maharaji!!

After all, his grace handed me enough to evaluate and I learned a lot about HIM: BTW Maharaji:SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR BRAINWASHING!!

How is he going to silence us now?

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 23:22:40 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Roger's House of Maharaji Drek
Message:
I just had the shock of my life when I happened to click on the M&M figure on Roger's home page. Could someone explain to me why this is acceptable having some really filty pron sites there? Don't you guys think that it saps at ex premies crediability? I have found alot of interesting and eye opening information on his site but shit, that porn was the worst sort of stuff I had ever seen!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 23:41:27 (GMT)
From: Bethesda ex
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Roger's House of Maharaji Drek
Message:
Tonette-I agree with you about the hard core porn on the drek site.It kind of spoils what is otherwise a very revealing picture of m and his secret life.I was influenced greatly by his site originally,but agree with you about the porn.(I do think the mala/boobs picture is a hoot though...)
Do you have an e-mail address? I think I remember you from the 76-81 era in Bethesda.I must know dv too, by the names he/she mentioned.
Bethesda ex
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 02:08:51 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Bethesda ex/tonette
Subject: Roger's House of Maharaji Drek
Message:
What porn? The Chronicles of the Red Nighty, you mean?
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:34:45 (GMT)
From: Bjørn
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: edited
Message:
edited
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:42:19 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Bjørn
Subject: Completely out of line, Bjorn!
Message:
You wrote:
Is this disgusting junk what finances Rogers site? And the Ex-premie site?

Look, I don't like the porn on Roger's site any more than you or Tonette do (any of it - even the soft-core stuff). However, it is ROGER'S site, thus he can put whatever he wants to on it. There is no law against putting porn links on a site, and I sincerely doubt that Roger receives any money from it.

Anyway, here are the facts, if you care to hear them:
Roger's House of Drek was set up by Roger, and is completely independent of ex-premie.org. Just like Sir David's sites, Zen's site, etc., etc.

Ex-premie.org (including the forum, which is separately administrated) is COMPLETELY financed by contributions from ex-premies. We have records of this, by the way, and our server can confirm this.

By the way, I thought that you didn't want to post here any more, and that you couldn't stand anyone on this forum. Why are you still here?

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:26:48 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: With all due respect, Katie....
Message:
Anyway, here are the facts, if you care to hear them:
Roger's House of Drek was set up by Roger, and is completely independent of ex-premie.org. Just like Sir David's sites, Zen's site, etc., etc.

As long as there's a link on top of the forum page to Roger's site, there's absolutely no way you can say this...legitimately that is.

Moreover, by providing the link to Roger's site on top of this page, ex-premie.org is placing a higher value on it, or recommendation above and beyond Sir D's 'The Truth about Maharaji' site, which IMO, presents a clearer picture of what most ex-premies would want to communicate to the public.

And I haven't even begun to deal with the rest of the 'non-pornographic' bullshit on Roger's site, which I'll do elsewhere.
No need to tip my hand here.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:26:50 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Joey
Subject: Yes and No
Message:
I originally copied the existing top of Forum 4's index page to the top of Forum 5's pages when I installed and configured the software here.

That said, the current presence, or absence, of anything at the top of the forum pages is not determined by the webmaster of EPO. I've taken a hands-off approach to the forum - other than to do software maintenance, to do low-profile archiving of the inactive posts, and to upload the archives to the site after updating the archives page.

The pagetop on the forum pages is configurable by the FA's.

As for EPO's 'support' of Roger/Barney's ongoing fetish with sharing porn with those who haven't specifically requested it from him, I've removed the link on EPO to his site.

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 15:51:05 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: EPO needs a new webmaster
Message:
As for EPO's 'support' of Roger/Barney's ongoing fetish with sharing porn with those who haven't specifically requested it from him, I've removed the link on EPO to his site.

THIS REALLY SUCKS, BRIAN

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 01:13:26 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Thank you for this response, Brian (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:46:38 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Am I missing something?
Message:
Roger's fetish with sharing porn?

Like what? Really, what specifically? Maharaji with the tits? The little wooden wanker? The link to Bestiality.com?

It's gotta be the link, right? I took that to be a joke, sorta like saying Maharaji's sites are on par with a site on beastiality. Actually quite an accurate comparison, if you ask me.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 22:31:41 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: but gerry, not everyone understands satire (NT)
Message:
but gerry, not everyone understands satire (NT)
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 23:34:36 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: that was the word I wanted--satire
Message:

Yeah well, I didn't think it was so subtle that people wouldn't get it. There's no other links to porn on the site and I would hardly call the 'altered images' porn. Maybe some would. But it is Roger's site to with what HE wants.

I think the real reason Roger doesn't rate a link here is political.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 17:56:47 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Are you under psychiatric care yet, Joey?
Message:
And, if so, are you on any anti-psychotic medication?
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 00:38:52 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, you got your head so far up Roger's ass...
Message:

....it's hard to tell where one ends and the other begins.
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 16:22:21 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Well, are you? (nt)
Message:
eeeeee
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 16:37:43 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, aren't you an alcoholic fuckbrain ??
Message:
Now you answer my question, I'll answer yours.
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Date: Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:37:05 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: No, as a matter of fact. Thanks for asking
Message:
Okay, Joey, I answered your question.

Your turn.

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Date: Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 02:59:51 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: No, as a matter of fact. Thanks for asking
Message:
Well Jim, I believe you're lying...but that's besides the point.

The answer to your question is no, as a matter of fact, but thanks for asking as well.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:28:49 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: In view of this - FA please note
Message:
Why is there not a link to my forum, The ANYTHING GOES desert which is porn free? If there's a link from here to a site with porn links on it, (i.e. House of Drek) people are bound to think there's some connection.

Mind you, I couldn't care less about whether there's links to my desert forum or not but other people have asked why there wasn't a link and have said it would be convenient.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:34:50 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Roger
Subject: Take it off your site, please!
Message:
Listen, I have alot of respect for you from what I see on your site. But the porn is so counterproductive to what you are trying to do.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 12:32:48 (GMT)
From: RobertB
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: If you build it they will come
Message:
...and whose finger prints are on your mouse? (and on your eyeballs?)
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:56:32 (GMT)
From: Boogie Nights
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Booby Ji? He's Roger's Mascot and Harmless nt
Message:
pp
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:36:33 (GMT)
From: Bjørn
Email: None
To: Boogie Nights
Subject: Booby Ji? He's Roger's Mascot and Harmless nt
Message:
Try clicking on different parts of Maharajis picture and you will be shocked.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:12:17 (GMT)
From: FA: Why is bjorn here
Email: None
To: Bjørn
Subject: Mascot and Harmless? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:35:51 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Roger's House of Maharaji Drek
Message:
I agree. It's the worst porn I've ever seen too. Why, that masturbating premie looks all wooden like, and the topless, dancing she-male god incarnation is enough to turn anybody off sex for a month!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:36:30 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Roger's House of Maharaji Drek
Message:
I'm talking about the beastiality and other links located on 'boobie ji' It's the worst sort of filth and definately does not portray an image of one who is trying to uncover the fraud of Elan Vital and Maharaji. Takes the whole web site down many notches in my book. Is not funny. It's deplorable.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:07:38 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I see what you mean now
Message:
I never realised there were other links from there so I've just had a look and can see what you mean now and am in agreement with you.

I don't know why Roger's put links to real porn and bestiality at that. It is inappropriate, to say the least.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 02:15:49 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Roger that filth IS disgusting (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:35:05 (GMT)
From: GERRY
Email: None
To: ROGER
Subject: hEY i WAS JUST KIDDING....
Message:
All I saw at first (when I made my comment 'that filth is disgusting') was some links to Goober sites and those ARE pornographic.

And yeah, today I clicked on Maharaji's 'lower chackras' and saw Bestiality.com and some floppy tits. Big deal. It's not like you gotta keep clicking. Exercise your back button.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:01:29 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: rawat told instructors lots of dirty jokes 84/85
Message:
When he was living in miami I heard that he had some serious porn videos to watch. It might be down rawats alley whatever those links connect to. I myself have managed to never go to any sex sites in my internet career. The wife is in charge of that department and I dont want to know what I am missing!
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 22:46:04 (GMT)
From: TD
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Photos on elanvital.org's homepage
Message:
I've just popped over to EV to get some info that I'm going to comment on later, when I noticed the new photos? Have you seen them?

No pictures of Maharaji, but we have pictures of video events, people at the event, some interpreters (I presume) at the back of an event, and a massive stadium/arena shot - does anybody know which event this is. I doubt he would have filled one of those recently...

What kind of message are EV trying to put out with this choice of photos? Why not one of M?

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:33:59 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: TD
Subject: Because they want to cover up
Message:
recent allegations from us that Maharaji was once 'Lord of the Universe' And besides they only have to sell the techniques now not him. He's set for life from his 'investments' All he needs is a trickle of income, if that. What he really needs now is one well orchestrated IRS audit. Let's all write our senators and representatives en masse and request an inquiry to Maharaji and Elan Vital!
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 15:45:28 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Time for Elaine to take a powder
Message:
I find it suspicious that Elaine made a violent threat on this forum against one of maharaji's associates. For one thing, it's illegal, not to mention it resolves nothing, especially with maharaji. For another, it's reason to be banished from this forum. Does anyone else feel that way?

Here's Elaine's post from below:

Oh, screw all this prosecution crap. Isn't there someone that could find Jagdeo and fix him so he never thought about touching another person again.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 18:59:54 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Maybe premies should be on a timer
Message:
You know, let them post for a while. Cut them off. They can come back after a few weeks or maybe a month. Post for another couple of months. Then cut off again. Or make them wear funny hats or something.

Really, anyone who lies to me about my past is my enemy.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:34:59 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Maybe premies should be on a timer
Message:
You are such a great example of all qualities good and decent Jim.
Premies should wake up to the obvious fact that it is Jim and not Maharaji who personifies the human ideal.
And one can only imagine the wonderful world we would all inhabit if Jim, Powerman and others of this high order of human decency and intelligence ,would be the rulers and leaders.

Mind you, Jim in his capacity to enter into satire and verbose irony shows talents that offer a potential place in my Ministry if I get the majority of votes. Jim could be Minister for funny hats. Or under Minister for over exaggaration. Or perhaps even Minister for twisted words whilst expressing about the 'other' bastards who lie. Jim ,would certainly ban me from contributing to this forum,(at least for a month or two at a time) and have me wear a funny hat. Why not? Pests like me interfere with the profound and honest 'stuff' that Jim humbly offers the more evolved ones who generally frequent this forum. I'm being satirical. There are a lot of really good quality contributions offered here. I mean it. Mine are not included in the minds of some of you. That's okay with me. Not with you. Ban me!

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 15:32:12 (GMT)
From: Feline stoat
Email: None
To: Jim/Gerry/theother 5 ..
Subject: Maybe premies should be on a timer
Message:
Jimbo invokes the Catweasel clause.....What a fucking surprise . You and your buddy Gerry ...So predictable!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:49:42 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: Too bad, Keith . . .
Message:
Too bad, Keith . . . for someone who sometimes makes some amount of sense, however over-exhuberantly or otherwise, you really lose it in posts like these.

Stonor

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:51:48 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Too bad, Keith . . .
Message:
Damn it Stoner. Does that mean I've lost your vote?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:45:18 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Powerman
Subject: Time for Elaine to take a powder
Message:
Looking at this objectively, that's a pretty normal reaction to give when confronted with the spectre of child abuse. I've said the same kind of thing myself as I'm sure many have here, about child abusers.

If a young man has sex with an underage teenage girl who has led him on, it's a very different thing to a man forcing himself upon pre-teen children who should be protected against such actions at all costs.

I think it's highly likely that many people who are close to the Jagdeo situation and the people in it, would like to give Jagdeo 'A good kicking'. That's human nature.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 18:20:59 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Time for Elaine to take a powder
Message:
Dave,
There's no question Jagdeo is the lowest sort of criminal and that his actions evoke feelings of rage and violence. But there's a difference between a feeling, and making a threat or inciting someone else to carry out that threat.

What's wrong with this picture? Elaine is a premie hiding behind a haze of jibberish, egging an ex-premie (Gerry) on to commit an act of violence. Meanwhile, she hasn't said one bad word about maharaji allowing the crime to go unpunished.

I think Elaine's intentions on this forum are really questionable, and she stepped over the line on this one.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:42:15 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Time for Elaine to take a powder
Message:
Powerman, would you accept a position in my ministry as minister for those with small penis's and powerful egos? How about minister for judging premies with vicious ulterior motives? Or even minister for ex premies who have identity problems because they don't hurl abuse at Maharaji? Powerman, don't knock back this opportunity to further compensate for your tiny penis.
You are Jim are vital for the uncovering of all questionable motives for those posting here. Of course it goes without saying that your motives are pure and 'sound'.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 17:17:45 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Talking to myself
Subject: Mind you, the jail sentence would be long
Message:
For the crimes of child abuse of which Jagdeo is accused, there's a hefty prison sentence in this country. Elan Vital are harbouring and aiding and abetting a criminal. Think about that one people.

Your friendly Elan Enjoying Life Vital has an international criminal in their pay who they are protecting and covering up for.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:12:12 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: I'm telling you....
Message:
Hi Powerman!!

I didn't like what she said about Jagdeo or about how in the past she took care of people herself because she doesn't believe in the justice system.

Her words:

If Jagdeo lived next to me,I would do some insidious undetectable 'thing' to him (and repeatedly I might add) if he was going scott free for his crime. Period. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm basically a vigilante at heart. I don't trust the justice system (along with the media).

and another one:

gErRy wrote:

We need to think up suitable fitting 'fixes' for Mr Jagdeo...
Well, the classic, castration, immediately comes to mind, it bit medieval though... There's chemical castration... lobotomy...chemical lobotomy...

Any suggestions from you???

Elaine responded:

Gerry,
This could be fun. I've only dealt with terrorising neighborhoods and mechanics.
One individual in a foreign country - hmmm - I'll think on it.
You first. And right -castration is not up our alleys.

Elaine

I don't know if you have read all her posts, I did, they are not long, but who is this person? She comes across as such a lier, twisting everything, accomodating her bluff when somebody questions her about something in her posts. She is dishonest, IMO. I don't like her attitud at all!

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 18:32:20 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: I'm telling you....
Message:
Elaine said:

If Jagdeo lived next to me,I would do some insidious undetectable 'thing' to him (and repeatedly I might add) if he was going scott free for his crime. Period. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm basically a vigilante at heart. I don't trust the justice system (along with the media).

My entire mental image of Elaine has suddenly changed. What was the name of that mother who went on a bank robbing spree back in the 30s? Ma somebody or other, chomping on a cigar, weilding a machine gun. I wonder if Elaine has any tatoos, not the demure, feminine, type some women like to get, but the big gaudy type that macho men from Brooklyn are fond of. Hey. Elaine, you got a picture of a battleship on your chest, with all 16 inch guns blaring, maybe? That's how I picture you, now.

Turns me on.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:30:02 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Jerry
Message:
Jerry,
Seems this is not the first time you have brought up some visual of me, wasn't it some black thing last time.

I think when one has been taken advantage of as a child and robbed and burglarized and raped one tends to say -No More and Never Again.

As I said to Marianne below that no one seemed to bother to quote (along with other things) was I lose judgement with child molesters and animal abusers.
No one mentioned how I told Gerry we'd have to stop day-dreaming about Jagdeo bec people here didn't like it.
No one mentioned how I said I understood Marianne's opinion that it shouldn't be written on the forum and I said- ok.
No one mentioned I steered gerry away from the castration idea.

Why is that? My take is that people just want me not to post in general and found this for an excuse. The unfairness of not putting full quotes is too glaring.

I'm very surprised so many would want me not to ever post here.

Yes, I may be different or odd or someone may not agree with my thinking - but so what? Why is that such a big deal?

You guys' opinions don't bother me. And when a premie first reads here all the bad-mouthing of M -you all know it's hard to take - but I swallowed and tried to understand your anger and the need to share.
It has only been the harshness that was potentially hurtful for no real reason or gain that I ever found distasteful.

And,yes, Jerry - I do have a tattoo - a very delicate one by an artist on the top of my foot - probably the nicest and sexiest foot you'd ever laid eyes on (so I've been told).

Am I going to get into trouble for that?

Thanks for listening - I know I went on...

Elaine

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 15:49:49 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Elaine answer please ASAP
Message:
I think Elaine was just slipping into some flippant and thoughtless commenting there. OK I think it came accross badly but I doubt that she really meant anything wicked by those comments.

Elaine ???? Where are you ??

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 22:28:49 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Elaine's threat?
Message:

Just one point, P-man: I thought a poster had to make the threat to another poster in order to get banned. Blowing off steam about someone not present doesn't qualify for banning (how many people here have threatened Maharaji, for instance) but that is just my take.

What is up with all this banning talk lately? Before long there will be about seven of us sitting around here talking to ourselves-snicker.

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Date: Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 01:36:25 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: A point about threats
Message:
Hi Veep -
Unless the FA's have changed the rules, you cannot threaten ANYONE here. When I was doing FA, I deleted several threats against Maharaji (some posted by premies, BTW).

But posting a threat is not grounds for blocking. REPEATED posting of threats is grounds for blocking. And the FA's probably can't read all the posts, so if people read threats, then please e-mail or post to the FA.

I think Elaine's post should have been deleted, but I don't think it is grounds for blocking her.

TC -
Katie

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:48:41 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Elaine's threat?
Message:
Well said VP.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:00:38 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Elaine's threat?
Message:
Hi VP,
I don't think the rule about threats specifies who you threaten, and I don't recall any illegal threats to maharaji. Blowing off steam doesn't have to include threatening anyone.

I think the interest in banning certain posters stems from developments in maharaji's organization related to ex-premies. I know in my case, the absolute dishonesty and repulsive statements from maharaji's organization has made me view premies and their presence here in a new light. My tolerance level has decreased.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 00:31:21 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Elaine's threat?
Message:
Well, you are right, there haven't been any violent illegal threats to Maharahji that I can recall either. I just thought Elaine had to threaten a participant (sorry to use that word--ugh!) here on the forum to be banned. I guess any illegal threat is a potential harm to the site.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:00:05 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Elaine answer please ASAP
Message:
Oh Hal,
Aren't you so sweet. It's ok if someone wants to ban me, dear.

I stand by all my posts as a cumulative....cumulative what? ...
cumulative example of my many different sides as all of us have.

It gives people here stuff to talk about. Even if I'm sent on my merry way. But, if I am - all who like me - rest assured I'll be doing more of my artwork. Everything's a blessing if you view it that way.

See ya,
Elaine

Catching up on gossip below.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:09:26 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Elaine why are you here?
Message:
Really, why?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:21:33 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Elaine why are you here?
Message:
I think you've asked that before. I could just say it's fun. But to do a soul searching I'd probably go more with what Keith said when asked - remember?

I learn alot,I'm after the truth - I mean I loved finding out what Pardarthanand did to Joe's aspirant co-worker. I don't want to have my head in the sand.
That's probably my driving force whenever I ask questions of religious people. If I'm not going to want to be a Jehovah's Witness - I want to know all about them so I can say WHY I don't want to. I've always done that.

Nothing makes me more mad than someone who acts like they know it all when they know nothing.

Do you remember when I asked raina why she absolutely could not STAND Sylvia Browne?

Her ans was so stupid I couldn't respond - raina knew NOTHING of Sylvia Browne except she saw her in passing on TV and formed some opinion. For this Sylvia was on her ten worst Human Being List or something. THAT is what I can't stand.

I want to know stuff.And oddly enough I believe what I read here.

I may not like the rude words - but, I get alot out of it.

Elaine

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 16:58:11 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: You're exasperating--never a straight answer
Message:
I think you've asked that before. I could just say it's fun. But to do a soul searching I'd probably go more with what Keith said when asked - remember?

No I don't remember. What does Keith have to do with my simple question to you?

I learn alot,I'm after the truth - I mean I loved finding out what Pardarthanand did to Joe's aspirant co-worker. I don't want to have my head in the sand.

I don't know what you are talking about, but it's a good diversion. So what are you going to do with your new found truth?

That's probably my driving force whenever I ask questions of religious people. If I'm not going to want to be a Jehovah's Witness - I want to know all about them so I can say WHY I don't want to. I've always done that.

So we're 'religious people' to you? You want to suss out where we're at so you can 'say why you don't want to'[become an ex-premie?] Am I reading you correctly?

Nothing makes me more mad than someone who acts like they know it all when they know nothing.

So I am to understand that 'we' (exes) act like we know it all when we 'really know nothing.' OK, I think I got that.

Do you remember when I asked raina why she absolutely could not STAND Sylvia Browne?

Her ans was so stupid I couldn't respond - raina knew NOTHING of Sylvia Browne except she saw her in passing on TV and formed some opinion. For this Sylvia was on her ten worst Human Being List or something. THAT is what I can't stand.

Bringing up raina is ridiculous. What are you doing here, Elaine? Can you state the truth plainly and clearly without all this obfuscation?

I want to know stuff.And oddly enough I believe what I read here.

Yeah, oddly. YOU are very ODD. So tell me, Elaine, what are you doing here? Really.

I may not like the rude words - but, I get alot out of it.

Just what I thought. You're some sort of psychic vampire, sucking on peoples' energies here. I agree with P-Man. You need to take a permanent hike. If it takes banning, well and good. But how about doing the gracious thing and just leaving?

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:00:06 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: You're exasperating--never a straight answer
Message:
But, gerry,
you can be just as exasperating to me. We never communicated well. Your interpretations of what I wrote are so off from what I meant. But, whatever.
I'm that disturbing to you that you would want me to not ever post here?
Why not just not read my posts. That seems simple to me.

Elaine

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 06:04:57 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: You're exasperating--never a straight answer
Message:
I agree with you Elaine. It's so obvious. What is exasperating to one person is not to another and I too find some of gerry's posts and many others on this forum quite exasperating. Your posts are generally some of the more interesting and inspiring for me.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:30:15 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: Yes: Because you 2 are 'shifty' ...
Message:
why don't you both go for a walk? You are alike.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:10:34 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Still no answers from Elaine
Message:
So tell me Elaine, why are you here?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:39:53 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: gerry
Message:
It's fun and educational and tests my inner bio-feedback techniques of lowering my blood pressure and thus my stress level.I'm learning patience and restraint.

The first time I posted was bec of a compulsion to share with JW that his 'nothing' experience of K - wasn't mine. I admitted I was acting like the smart kid you can't stand in the class that is always waving saying call on me I know the answer.

I really do have wonderful experiences in meditation - and there's no snot involved or eye-squeezing optic nerve lights flashing. That was what brought me here.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:36:44 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Come on, it's easy
Message:
Some possibilities:

Elaine is here to defend and soften the criticism of her Lord.

Elaine is here to find out things about EV and god she didn't know.

Elaine is confused and wants some clarification about the cult she's in.

Elaine is looking for someone to talk with about her cult and this is the best place she's found.

Elaine is here to put a good face on cult members as a contrast to those silly premies she so superior to.

Elaine is harboring deep hidden doubts and she's attempting to work this out.

Elaine wants to confuse new exes and wavering premies.

Well, I guess we'll never know, will we? The possibilities are myriad. But she's not saying. No, not Elaine, that dedicated seeker of truth. Rather blather on and evade the real issues.

I find the Cat to be easier to stomach...

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:42:33 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Come on, it's easy
Message:
Now see if you'd put abc's in front of the ans you were looking for it would have made it alot easier.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:39:35 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: I've never met someone as evasive as you
Message:
I really do have wonderful experiences in meditation..That was what brought me here.

So that's your answer to ''Why are you here, Elaine?''

Just so we don't miscommunicate again, you're telling me the reason you came here to the ex-premie forum is to share with the people here your great (sorry wonderful) experiences of meditation.

All those other reasons I suggested are not it, huh?

DOES ANYBODY HERE BELIEVE ELAINE IS TELLING THE TRUTH HERE???

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 06:10:17 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: I've never met someone as evasive as you
Message:
gerry ...stop being such a pompous know it all. You are being so hypocritical. All your questions and responses to Elaine are so loaded. They assume that you are in a superior position to play judge and jury. Where is the judge and jury passing judgement on you? You are playing God! IMHO. Why are you here Gerry? Really?
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 20:56:40 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: I'm not really here Keith, it's just a hologram..
Message:
Where is the judge and jury passing judgement on you?

I pick her up at Seatac airport at 7:44 Monday evening....

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 13:27:18 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: I've never met someone as evasive as you
Message:
Why don't you SHUT up big mouth?!! I'm sick and tired of YOUR POMPOUS IGNORANT voice GOING AROUND TOO. Shut up!! And you are the least indicated person to judge here: Your eyeglasses are dirty.

Have you read Elaine's posts? She is fake. She's always playing with words, the false ass.

Go away!!

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:40:31 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Finally someone else has noticed
Message:
I've been asking this woman simple, basic questions until I'm blue in the face. Not a peep out of her. I guess evasive answers is an improvement on that. She even managed to side step my response to one of her points about premies not giving money, down below in a long thread in which she took center stage.

I threw out a figure which I had heard circulating the grapevine, and she totally looked past me and quizzed Joe about it, oh and claimed she never heard the term 'spin doctor'. Like what am I, chopped liver?

I suspect she won't talk to me directly, gerry, because she knows I see right through her fucking Shirlie Temple act.

She is just another premie apologist trying to weedle her way in and dilute the impact of truth.

[OT]Unfortunately I won't be able to give her my full attention for a while as I'm in the process of moving (out of State and marriage) which is going to keep me busy and offline for a spell. Don't let her off the hook though.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 06:14:34 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Mirror mirror on the wall....
Message:
....who are really the most elusive of them all?

And do the more extreme ex's here have The handle on the Truth of the matter?
Or is there a 'gang' mentality that aids and abets the process of stereotyping those who posts here are just too damn confronting?

Just asking!

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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 18:32:15 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: Mirror mirror on the wall....
Message:
Or is there a 'gang' mentality that aids and abets the process of stereotyping those who posts here are just too damn confronting?

You think your posts are confronting, Keith? They're not at all. I've never once felt that you've had something real to say that would shatter whatever illusions I might be suffering from. Not once.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 01:47:02 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Do I need to say it? ;) (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 10:08:43 (GMT)
From: JtF
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Will rawat ever put K up for sale?-manipulation
Message:
Not to many years ago, rawat told his willing victims that if he really wanted to get just anybody to join his cult he should sell it. He went on to explain that most people think something with a price tag on it has more value than something for free. He said he could run ads and that he was capable of writing some good ones. He then proceeded to tell his willing victims that he preferred to do it the way it is now so let's do it. This is another example of how his manipulation works. He threw out the advertising thing as something he had given serious consideration to, thereby, allowing his willing victims subconsciously to fill in the -----(as in, 'he's not afraid of public scrutiny').

He didn't mention the fact that advertising would bring attention to his cult and possibly scrutiny from the press.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:29:06 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: JtF
Subject: Will rawat ever put K up for sale?-manipulation
Message:
If he sold it in that way, he'd gaurantee a nice little black-market trade in pirated knowledge techniques from hard-up premies and ex-premies.

He's got a problem; they're just four badly designed techniques of meditation. They don't have much commercial value. Meditation on neural light, music and breath are not new and people would demand their money back when they found out what the 'secret' techniques were. The tongue flipping excercise would leave people cold.

The only way he could ever make a success of this would be to give the four techniques to everybody who wanted them, after a wait of perhaps half an hour. Then, by sheer dint of numbers he'd get some faithful devotees. It's just mathematics.

If 0.1% of people who receive his knowledge want to become his fully paid up devotees and worship him as the master, then if he gives the techniques to anyone who is remotely interested after a wait of half an hour, he will bag one devotee per thousand takers. He could advertise this special offer:

Get your knowledge today, while you wait! Prevously you'd have to watch boring videos for six months to get this knowledge but now we're giving it away to all callers. Offer lasts only until the dawn of the new age.'

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 07:37:14 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: New updated '9 objections letter'
Message:

HOT Elan Vital Responds to their Critics and Ex-Premies React

JM

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 15:35:55 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: He is God and he can't deny it! Thanks JM (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 14:53:47 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Great quote from Shri Hans, J-M:
Message:
'...it must be
clearly understood that only he who can bestow God-vision instantaneously within oneself is the Satguru of the time, and no-one else. In
reality, He is God incarnate.'

-Shri Hans, Mr. Rawat's father and guru, June 1961

Next EV will be telling us that the Maha never claimed to be Satguru!!!

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:12:46 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: New updated '9 objections letter'
Message:
Excellent work JM!
Thank you again.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:13:07 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: thread
Message:
If you know any of the people listed below, post under his or her name info like live and well premie ( ex living in blah blah.) Nothing mean spirited this is in a lighthearted chit chat mode.
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Date: Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 09:04:08 (GMT)
From: the mixed-up gypsy
Email: starsongs@hotmail.com
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Arthur Brigham?
Message:
Third try, hope I get it right! (New kid on the block; sorry for my ignorance.)
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Date: Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 08:46:59 (GMT)
From: the gypsy
Email: starsongs@hotmail.com
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: thread
Message:
Arthur Brigham? Little does he know how he steered the course of 25 years of my life!
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 22:53:28 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Harry Paine? (nt)
Message:
/nt
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:04:31 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Harry Paine? He owes me 900 dollars since '83
Message:
hahahahaha... NOT funny!

I saw him in Long Beach 96, doing security right there by the 'lord': No money he said, with a sweet premie smile.

Thiefs, both...

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 14:33:13 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to -:-
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Peter Dawson? (nt)
Message:
Whatever happened to -:- Peter Dawson? (nt)
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 20:00:20 (GMT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to -:-
Subject: Peter Dawson? (nt)
Message:
I believe he is still an instrutor, certainly still very active. He lives in Reigate near M's residence there in a friend of mine's house.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:47:10 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: alan imbarrato (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:32:11 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Joan Apter? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:34:00 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: in the archives
Message:
there is a really funny thread where Jim calls her up and 'interviews' her. I will see if I can get an approximate date for you. brb
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:35:35 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: around the beginning of April. nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:39:46 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: tonette
Subject: found it here
Message:
cut and pasteDate: Thurs, Mar 30, 2000 at 21:17:40 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: My interview with Joan Apter
Message:

Jus got off the phone with Joan who had ten or fifteen minutes for me while preparing for a little dinner party tonight. Nice of her to talk, I'm sure. I told her I'd be posting something about it and welcomed her to read what I wrote but she said that, while she's heard of the ex site, she's not interested in visiting it.
Joan is still a premie. She's not close to Maharaji personally anymore but she has absolutely no regrets about anything. She's particularly not into 'victimhood' and likes to remind her ex-premie friends (of which there seem to be a few) that we 'create our own reality'. If any part of our reality is unsatisfying we need to really look at ourselves and see why that is.

No, Joan doesn't mention Maharaji as such on her resume but certainly does tell anyone interested all about her spirituality once she gets the job.

Joan has no questions for Maharaji. If I do, I should ask them. No, not ask them of him (I explained how Raja Ji once confided in me that Maharaji won't even answer his questions) but ask them of myself.

Joan is into essential oils these days and follows a guy named Robert Young (Bill Young?). She told me that she understand that there are some negative web sites about him too but she's really not interested. She's got her experience, in her world and everything's just great.

We talked about her particular prominence in DLM / EV and what, if any, responsibilities that leaves her with in these later years. I asked her if, hypothetically of course, she were to discover conclusively that Maharaji was a fake would she feel obliged to go public with that information. After all, as she herself said, she still gets people coming up and telling her how inspiring she used to be, etc. Fortunately for Joan, she doesn't think she has any such responsibility to anyone. We all made our choices. Now what


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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:11:40 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: found it here....JM
Message:
as time goes by she will change her tune.
she cant look back because she lost her whole life.
she is alone and clutching shards of concepts to keep her boat from total despair.

we made choices, christ, we were lied to in such a devious way and our innocence and inability to imagine such a monsterous fraud is hardly our fault and certainly no reason to let the liar off the hook. Hooray for JM for standing up for truth when so many slink off crippled

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:47:24 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Thanks! Does not surprise me! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:23:48 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Michael Hunt? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:22:41 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Ira Woods? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:36:02 (GMT)
From: Ira Wood answers M's mail
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: That is his divine service
Message:
or one of them...
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:31:05 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Ira Woods is still very much around
Message:
There was a Thread here recently from someone asking for help with his teeth from M. Evidently Ira told the guy/poor soul that m didn't give 'that' kind of help. So if you believe the post that means Ira is at the top of the top as far as PAM's go. Wonder if Ira has to work for a living?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:28:55 (GMT)
From: I heard Ira is still a
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: premie (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:21:24 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Donna Morrell?(nt)
Message:
nt she was a really sweet person.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:20:26 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Fletcher Drake died several years ago nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 13:47:43 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Fletcher was a good person
Message:
I was very fond of him - also respected him a lot. He was the housefather in a premie house I lived in and he was very fair and kind, and he helped me a lot at one point when I really needed it. I used to take care of his son, Jason, who was a great kid (he was about 6 or 7 at the time).

Tonette, did you know Sam Jablonski? He committed suicide in 1994. This upset me considerably - probably one of the reasons I even started posting on the forum in the first place.

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 03:25:55 (GMT)
From: Tonete
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Yes Fletcher was good
Message:
No, I didn't know Sam. I might recognize him if he was in the DC community or ashram though. Sorry to hear that he lost his life. Fletcher was an unpretencious, kind, and centered soul. He had a sudden death from a heart attack. I wanted to go to his funeral but it sleeted and snowed that night and the service was not very close to me. How could Fletcher join an ashram with a son to raise I wonder? Fletcher never talked about his son that I can recall.
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:30:58 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Tonete
Subject: Yes Fletcher was good
Message:
Hi Tonette -
I am glad to hear that you liked Fletcher too - as I said, he really helped me once when I needed it, and I always liked and respected him. I was sorry to hear about his death - I did hear about it through the ex grapevine a few years back.

Fletcher was an interesting person - he was a locally famous photographer until he got K and started following M. He used to take pictures on stage at Arena Stage, things like that. He took my best friend Shine's wedding pictures when she got married in the ashram. She is no longer married but the pictures are so good that she still has them all.

I'm guessing his ex-wife took care of Jason after he moved into the ashram - she was also a good person, and not a premie as I recall.

BTW, I think you got K at about the time I started drifting away. I left after Holi in March 1977 during the big 'rededication' after the big 'space-out' of 1976. Sounds like you received knowledge just at the beginning of that heavy devotional period.

Did you know Joe Whalen (the Joe that posts here?) He was the CC in DC for a brief period?

TC -
Katie

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:11:50 (GMT)
From: DV
Email: None
To: Tonete
Subject: Fletcher was famous for walking the four blocks
Message:
across Wisconsin Ave meditating with his eyes closed from the Edgemoor Lane ashram. Back and forth, every night. What a conglomeration of characters at that place!:

Sam Jablonsky
Mark Van Doorn
Fletcher Drake
Randy Stein
Bob Stein
Mark Clark
Ken MacPhee
Alan Roettinger
Charlie ?
Reepicheep (that what we called him, can't remember)
Mark Putnam
Martin Grey

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 14:23:37 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: DV
Subject: Bob Stein
Message:
Bob Stein was one of the 'Reston premies' - he was younger than me. He was a good guy too - he must have moved into the ashram when he was very young. Do you know what happened to him, DV?

I agree about your collection of characters - I cannot IMAGINE! Must have been kind of fun at times, though.

By the way, hi...
Katie

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:49:24 (GMT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Bob Stein
Message:
I forgot to add Jeff Schreiber! Bob is a math genious who told me in the mid 80's he was starting some electronics related company. At the time he got in with his knowledge I expect he's worth millions by now. I sort of wish I was stuck in Silicon Vally when the shrams closed instead of Miami. It is said there are 1000's of people there worth more than a million, 100's with ten's of millions, and ten's with more than a billion. I haven't
heard from Bob since then.
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 19:01:21 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: dv
Subject: thanks, dv
Message:
I had heard that about Bob Stein from my sister (I think she heard from Klaus - remember him?). Bob was really intelligent - glad he did something with his brain.

Jeff Schreiber? Ditto my previous comments. And since you mentioned it, I've been wondering who kept the house clean, if it did ever get cleaned :)!

TC -
Katie

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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 04:31:23 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: DV
Subject: Charlie Dunder
Message:
Who found quite a niche in fucking another man's wife. I won't divulge who but christ, they did it in front of the kid, who was three or four at the time. Real trash!
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Date: Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 16:51:00 (GMT)
From: DV
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I'm not surprised-nt.
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:20:11 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: George Robles?
Subject: George Robles (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:19:04 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Bill Patterson
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 23:57:48 (GMT)
From: Lurkex
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Bill Patterson
Message:
Bill left MJ mny years ago after being badly treated by him. Some pretty abusive stuff, emotionally and in other ways. After leaving, he had a relationship with a friend of mine who told me some of the chilling details. Apparently he came back after burning out for a few years in South America doing exhausting service, wanting to talk to MJ about his situation. After all, he had lived with MJ for years, and had been down there as his rep. MJ refused to meet with him, and kept him waiting for ages, trying to break his will or whatever. So he left in a hurt way.

When Bill was living at the Miami residence, I remember him proudly telling me a story of MJ making him scrub the kitchen floor every night, no matter what time they all retired (usually after 2 am), and prior to getting up at dawn each morning to start his 'service.' He said that MJ had insisted on installing a type of rubber kitchen floor tile that was very difficult to clean, and when Bill pointed this out he laughed, or said something fatuous (fat bastard!). The general vibe of Bill telling this story at the time was 'Such grace!' Such a lila!.

I guess a few more years of all this divine fun and games wore poor Bill down. I think of him from time to time and really hope he is doing okay, recovering somewhere and getting some support in licking his wounds.

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Date: Tues, Jul 11, 2000 at 21:50:55 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Lurkex
Subject: Are you still in touch with your friend?
Message:
Does your friend know where Bill is now? When did he split from Maharaji? Do you know what Bill thinks of M?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:18:28 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Grace Wallace? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:17:29 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Newt gay?
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 19:18:46 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Rives McDow?(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:16:50 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Dennis the Cook Murphy?
Message:
nt..you know with that funny patch of white hair?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 14:25:37 (GMT)
From: Dennis
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Now does Asbestos Removal.......
Message:
In Miami. His Sister still lives in Miami is a premie and is married to a premie. His brother is still a premie and living in North or South Carolina.
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:15:36 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Shelley Klavans? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:14:17 (GMT)
From: Whatever happened to
Email: None
To: all
Subject: John Knight?
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 06:18:34 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Whatever happened to
Subject: Grace Wallace, Randy Proudy, David Horesford? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:10:20 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: OK, who's got fresh dirt?
Message:
Reading the exchange below between Joe, Monmot, DV, Elaine, etc., I started wondering about what life at the top of the cult food chain was / is like. I mean, Donner once told me what it was like smoking dope with Maharaji (he bogarts), and someone once posted something about a few girls here or there but yeah, let's face it, we'd all like to know what it's like to party with the Lord of the Universe. Well, I would anyway.

So if anyone's got any new dirt or anything .... like come on, there must be some good stories out there. We paid for our tickets a million times over; where's the show?

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:56:51 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Have a question
Message:
What ever happened to Claudia? Is she still around? And her kid Navalata? Sure were alot of lata's weren't there? Yes sir, lots of vines. Is Marilyn still a devotee? How did the kids turn out? Any of them get any college or higher learning or are they living off the father?
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 05:04:16 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Decaf Latas
Message:
Premlata (Wadi) did some time at UC Santa Cruz, but dropped out and moved home. Claudia's happily married and not into M anymore (probably why she's happy).
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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:43:18 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: OK, who's got fresh dirt?
Message:
Jim, I think the people who used to party with Maharaji and have most of the dirt are still partying with him. They have a good thing going and want to keep it.

Or, they have left Maharaji but since they did so much partying with him, they don't want to ever talk about it publicly. Think Michael Donner, Patti Lancaster, Michael Dettmers...etc. We do not hear from them because, really, they were in a very different cult than we were in. They didn't give up much, gained a lot, and basically had a good time. They may have actually really benefitted professionally, financially and otherwise. Probably had a lot of good cognac and dope, too.

So, they don't feel much need to talk about it. It's the poor, dumb fuckers like you and me, who slaved in the trenches, wasted years of our lives, and turned over all our moeny who have the need to try to say something about all this, but then, we never got invited to the parties where the Lord of the Universe was in attendance.

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Date: Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 04:52:57 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: jim and joe
Subject: I don't and am glad of it
Message:
I was one of those married, working professional premies who gave as little money as possible. Just program entrance fees. I have seen so much here in this forum and in the other ex sites of shit I had no idea went down: drinking, adultery, ect. What an eyeful! Sure hope premies who come here take a long hard look at it. I happy now that I see this side of M that I was never close physically or financially to him! There must be a God after all. He sure saved my arse on this one.
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