Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 01:32:40 (GMT)
From: Aug 07, 2000 To: Aug 16, 2000 Page: 4 Of: 5


Mickey the Pharisee -:- Save time posting.... -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 22:56:08 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Great Post Mickey (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 14:26:54 (GMT)
__ Helen -:- Save time posting.... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:43:12 (GMT)
__ Shroomananda -:- How much was in that trust fund that you turned -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:40:49 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- That's pretty good, Shroom -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 10:17:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Oh I'm critical of my Master, Jerry! There are -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:27:28 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- - edited on request of author by FA. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:37:31 (GMT)
__ __ Cheese person -:- How much was in that trust fund that you turned -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:22:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Sure thing! But I hope you're not a vegetarian. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:31:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Paul -:- Blame the victim. How compassionate. (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 16:03:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- Shroom, you discusting person. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:57:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Somebody teach this guy some grammer and typing -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:08:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mistress Grammar's master -:- Did you say 'grammer' child? Tut tut. (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 17:51:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mistress Grammar -:- Did you say 'grammer' child? Tut tut. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:46:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Not eDrek -:- From whom did you learn, Mistress? -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:51:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mistress Grammar -:- I learned from.... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 20:28:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- ROFL!!! The Catholic Church was MG's Master! -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 23:50:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Do you speak a second language Shrooooo... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 13:52:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Can you recommend me a teacher..? -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:37:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- oops shroom even I don't typo that bad -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:01:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Ha-ha! -:- Blind leading the blind... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:15:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Are you Nil? -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:58:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mickey -:- Somebody teach this guy some critical thinking -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:12:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ E.B. White -:- And some grammar..... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:20:29 (GMT)
__ __ Pauline Premie -:- You tell them Shroom.... -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:52:25 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Everything you say sucks the big one, Shroom -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:46:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ Shroomananda -:- I guess it doesn't really matter what the 'ex' -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:13:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- No, there's a difference -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:28:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Give me a break, Jim. Maharaji didn't embezzle -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:38:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- You could also walk into a park -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:17:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- I'm not Shroom - I'm Mel -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 10:21:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Now that is what I call coincidental -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:34:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- No, he just defrauded people -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:46:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ I'm a lawyer too... -:- No, he just defrauded people -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:12:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Sorry, I don't like responding to nameless posts -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 15:49:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Yeah, Jim, I'm sure some theoretical judge or jury -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:05:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Nice try but no -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:58:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Nice try but no -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:34:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Stupidest thing you've said yet -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:03:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- What did you expect. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 12:14:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Why are you so sour and nasty, Shroom.. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:09:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ O -:- A poor attempt at justifying a double standard -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:37:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- A poor attempt at justifying a double standard -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:59:58 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Brilliant! (nt) -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:34:16 (GMT)

Joe -:- What is the Maharaji Cult? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:42:35 (GMT)
__ O -:- A cult only if you want one -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:35:33 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Well Nil/URL/O why are you compulsively here? -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:26:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ O -:- Wrong!And you seem to be the compulsive one Joe -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 22:48:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Joey -:- If you repeat a lie often enough... -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 15:56:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- If you repeat a lie often enough... -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 16:23:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- If you repeat a lie often enough... -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 18:25:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- If you repeat a lie often enough... -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 18:01:38 (GMT)
__ __ Joey -:- Welcome back....Nil-URL-Mirror-O ! -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:46:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Michael -:- It doesn't matter what we think as long as you and -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:37:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- Sorry O, you got D-- on this one. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:50:01 (GMT)
__ __ Shroomananda -:- Excellent job! You deserve an A+. (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:23:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Cult minds 'think' alike, it would seem. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 14:30:07 (GMT)
__ P-man -:- )))****--Roger--Best Of--****((( NT -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:47:18 (GMT)
__ jondon -:- Fronts -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:09:53 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Also A PR Front -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:15:02 (GMT)

Salam -:- Is Balkis Shah still around? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:30:22 (GMT)
__ Curious George -:- Belkis and Bobby the cook -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 04:15:17 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Belkis and Bobby the cook -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 13:28:59 (GMT)
__ cq -:- and do you know anyone called Bulent, Salam? (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 17:57:18 (GMT)
__ TeddyTheTurtle -:- An alternate to M -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:09:40 (GMT)
__ Now now boys and girls, -:- I did not want to start a fight, all I wanted to -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:38:50 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- I got a light, Salam, and I love easy questions -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:17:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ You exes all have dirty -:- minds, can not you see it's a typing error. That -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:28:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- It's not my fault! I'm not brainwashed! ;-) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:43:31 (GMT)
__ Pauline Premie -:- Maharaji's cock -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:54:40 (GMT)
__ __ Simon Satsang -:- Maharaji's cock -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:01:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pauline Premie -:- My Fantasy.... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:17:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sister Mary Mae Hemm -:- You are sinful and sick, my child. (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:29:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- You are very sinful and sick, my child. (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:57:11 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Pauline, shutup and put a cock ring on it. (nt) -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:58:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pauline's Sister -:- In What, exactly?(nt) -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:07:22 (GMT)
__ Loaf -:- BEST TYPO OF THE YEAR -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:32:35 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- BEST TYPO OF THE YEAR - Salam I have to agree -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:51:22 (GMT)
__ Way -:- big typo in your post (nt) -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 17:14:19 (GMT)
__ __ Tami -:- Wel, just hou big iz it? )nt( -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:27:04 (GMT)
__ TeddyTheTurtle -:- Is Balkis Shah still around? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 17:06:26 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Is Balkis Shah still around? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:56:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ Curious George -:- Belkis Shah - water under the bridge -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 04:21:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ jondon -:- There is a Balkis... -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:15:16 (GMT)

buzz -:- the four tecniques -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:14:45 (GMT)
__ Rated-X -:- Uncomfortable four tecniques -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 17:53:16 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- The Purpose of Meditation in Maharaji Cult -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:14:49 (GMT)

Daneane -:- Satellite Shrinkage -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 03:46:29 (GMT)
__ Kjarne -:- Satellite Shrinkage -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:04:12 (GMT)
__ __ sb -:- Get a brain -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:39:30 (GMT)
__ __ Jethro -:- Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:31:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Kjarne -:- Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:47:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:38:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:42:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 05:55:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Hear no evil, see no evil, huh? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:54:27 (GMT)
__ __ JTF -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:15:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Kjarne -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:56:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ sb -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:43:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- Simple question for you -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:41:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Simple question for you/ simple answer -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:45:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- That's very interesting -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:58:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- That's very interesting -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:01:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ suckers -:- That's very interesting -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:44:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Well you see there's another problem -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:07:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Well you see there's another problem -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:10:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- An affidavit will do fine -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:51:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- An affidavit will do fine -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 21:36:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Norwegian Woody -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:30:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- So the obvious question here is... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 16:40:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Does the law states that EV members have -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:23:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JTF -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 10:36:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 13:59:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- That's his feet you'r smelling.. -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:33:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:46:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JTF -:- Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 13:53:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- I don`t see any alternatives to Knowledge! -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:30:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- Beautiful Norway -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:28:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Beautiful Norway -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 21:41:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- I don`t see any alternatives to Knowledge! -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:47:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Bjorn alert! -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:44:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Bjorn alert! -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:54:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Bjorn alert! -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:00:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kjarne -:- Bjorn alert! -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 06:41:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Bjorn alert! -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 20:10:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- This is Bjorn, Ben I'm convinced -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:33:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- This is Bjorn, Ben I'm convinced -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 03:49:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ It is a threat to out -:- given by someone anonymous -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 07:21:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Well that's what he said -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:05:22 (GMT)
__ Shroomananda -:- Do you have Knowledge, Daneane? I find it -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:49:43 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Oh Daneane's an authority alright -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:49:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Shroomananda -:- So what was the answer provided when she asked for -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 18:03:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Deluded fool in utter ignorance,I relish it.(nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:03:14 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Daneane's journey is here to read!!!!! -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 13:23:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ X -:- Daneane's journey is here to read!!!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:13:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Talk about focus, of all things! -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:03:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- She wasn't too hot to handle, Jim. She was biased -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:45:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Awed by the presumptions -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:18:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- It's already been established, Daneane, that -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 06:10:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's not what I said, Shroom -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 15:55:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- An anonymous premie talkin' credibility!! Yeah!nt -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 12:40:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Yeah, non-anything! I'll remain anonymous rather -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:14:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Uh... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 23:58:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- I'm not trying to enlighten anyone, sweetheart. -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 00:23:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Huh? -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 01:28:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- I spend some of my time here because someone -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:23:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- Shroom I'm a tad confused -:- Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 03:28:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- I spend some of my time here because someone -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 16:16:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- The 'Knowledge' you have is an illusion -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 00:47:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- If it's such an illusion, Jim, then why did you -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:05:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- It was every bit as real as being 'born again' (nt -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 04:19:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Stay away from preachers then. Wouldn't want to -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:16:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You got that right (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 07:12:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Michael -:- Yeah, non-anything! I'll remain anonymous rather -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:47:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Forgive me, Preacher, for I haved sinned. -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 21:12:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Michael -:- Forgive me, Preacher, for I haved sinned. -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 01:42:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shrromananda -:- No, Preacher, I don't pick up balls at at driving -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:30:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- No, Preacher, I don't pick up balls at at driving -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 10:40:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Michael -:- No, Preacher, I don't pick up balls at at driving -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:27:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Calling all preachers! -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:44:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Michael -:- ¡Ja ja ja! NT -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:02:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You're living in a religious comic book (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 07:13:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Khan, you are a Maiestro.. -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:38:11 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- Old hat -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:52:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Oh I have Knowledge, Daneane. I stuck around -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 18:09:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ just curious -:- I stuck around. I have knowledge...Oh really? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:38:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Really! How long did you stick around? -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:55:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ just curious -:- Really! How long did you stick around? -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:58:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- ** Two great posts, jc** -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 17:35:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- not 'kjarne', I meant 'shroom' in first line (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 23:38:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- was fairly reasonable in tone (not content,...... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:26:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ jc -:- was fairly reasonable in tone (not content,...... -:- Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 15:56:40 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Synchronized Service -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:05:03 (GMT)
__ __ la-ex -:- Synchronized Service -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:49:31 (GMT)
__ Pauline Premie -:- Satellite Shrinkage -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:01:58 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- Too funny!(nt) -:- Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 05:32:15 (GMT)


Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 22:56:08 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Save time posting....
Message:
“Hey Kids! Learn to Post the Mushroom-person way; It’s Easy and Fun!!!”
Some people here on Forum V waste precious space arguing points by using logic and reason and even through nasty name calling, but there is one person here (well, two really, but I’m not talking about THAT person right now) who has developed a formula for answering all attacks against Maharaji and his cult. You only need one of three possible responses:
1. I enjoy practicing the free gift of Knowledge;
2. I don’t know about that, but I enjoy listening to Maharaji and practicing the free gift of Knowledge;
3. I never said that (or saw that, or experienced that, or heard of that) but I really enjoy practicing the free gift of Knowledge, listening to Maharaji, and remembering that he works his butt off bringing this free gift of Knowledge around the world. Did you know that he is a pilot?
Yes, all you need to answer these unkind comments and attacks against the former Lord of the Universe (now just another Master) is one of those three retorts. Let’s see how it works:

Ex-Premie: Once I was doing a service that I was told was very important. I was guarding this refrigerator. I missed the entire program, and M never came to see me. I finally opened the refrigerator door and discovered that I was guarding a piece of cheese!
Possible retorts:
1. Sheesh (or Cheesh)! That’s terrible, but pretty funny!
2. I like Cheddar, especially if its free!
or
3. I don’t know about that, but I enjoy listening to Maharaji and practicing the free gift of Knowledge!

That’s right; Number three is the correct response as a Mushroom-person. Now, let’s try something a little more difficult:

Ex-Premie: So after wasting years of my life in the ashram, turning over my trust fund and living a life of poverty and celibacy, I get tossed out on my ass and given my share of the $400,000.00 debt the ashram created. I was depressed for years and am just now coming out of this funk.

Will you answer:
1. God, that’s terrible! I feel so bad for you! Is there something I can do to help?
2. Is there any possible way we can sue the little bastard?
3. That’s too bad, but I enjoy practicing the free gift of Knowledge.
or
4. I never experienced that, but I really enjoy practicing the free gift of Knowledge, listening to Maharaji, and remembering that he works his butt off bringing this free gift of Knowledge around the world. Did you know that he is a pilot? AND that his cheese is so precious that he has round the clock guards at his refrigerator?

Correct answer: I like the simplicity of #3, but #4 will work.

It’s as easy as that!! So, next time you are in an argument with an Ex-premie, remember to use one of the three Mushroom-person retorts; you’ll be glad you did, and, for a short time only, you will win a free gift which you will enjoy!!!

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 14:26:54 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Great Post Mickey (nt)
Message:
oh there is some text after all
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:43:12 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Save time posting....
Message:
HAW HAW HAW!!
Just loved the multiple choice stuff! Hey I loved the Unitarian joke too. Sorry I didn't recognize you in that previous thread. You know I feel sorry for whoever that Unitarian person was getting into a theological argument with you!!
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:40:49 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: How much was in that trust fund that you turned
Message:
over to Maharaji? Must have been a lot! Oh well, you didn't really EARN that trust fund, now did you? It was simply an accident of birth and the fact that your parents or whoever left it to you worked hard to accumulate money to give to you. But you sound really bitter about losing that trust fund. Well, you know what they say, easy come, easy go. Tell you what. Go to ministry school and become a preacher. Then you can go to some backward country like say Panama and preach for money. I've heard the money's good and you only have to work on Wednesday and Sunday! You don't even have to make sense when you preach. Just tell the people how they are sinners and can go to heaven by believing in Jesus and confessing their sins. And who knows, maybe some nubile girl (or boy if you prefer) will be so grateful that you 'saved' them that they'll help you with that celibacy problem! Just think, even if you sin, you can repent and Jesus will forgive and let you in to heaven after you die! Praise the Lord.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 10:17:58 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: That's pretty good, Shroom
Message:
Now why don't you trying being as critical of your master? Can't do it, can you? Got too much to lose, all that misguided, misplaced faith, for all those years, would make it just too painful, wouldn't it? But if you've got the guts to be honest, maybe you can give it a try. Start with all of Maharaji's land purchases throughout the years. What have you got to say about that? Is your answer 1, 2, or 3? Somehow I think it's going to be 3.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:27:28 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Oh I'm critical of my Master, Jerry! There are
Message:
things I've questioned or don't like about how Knowledge is presented and things that Maharaji has said or done that I consider mistakes. He's admitted that he's still learning and makes mistakes. But I love to hear him talk about life, etc. No one else I've ever heard touches that place in me that he does. And I still love Knowledge and helping him to offer it to others. He does things first class. He doesn't just throw up a tent somewhere like some revivalist preacher. The best facilities, the best production and materials for the videos and the best extemporaneous presentations I've ever witnessed about Knowledge. So I'll continue my individual efforts to facilitate his relentless effort. I'm amazed by his passion and his love. And as long as he'll let me learn from him, I'll keep doing so.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:37:31 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Shroomananda
Subject: - edited on request of author by FA.
Message:
[Nigel contacted me to ask this post be edited. He says it's not because he doesn't think 'Shroom's contributions are stupid, but said abusive 'Subject' lines that shout are counter-productive to useful debate and off-putting to visitors]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:22:18 (GMT)
From: Cheese person
Email: waiting@cheese.con
To: Shroomananda
Subject: How much was in that trust fund that you turned
Message:
Your insight into these people is remarkable, Mushroom person and I think we would make a good team with perhaps some garlic bread and tomatoes and a bit of lettuce.

You are a fine example of a premie and I am sure, a great credit to your master.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:31:20 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Cheese person
Subject: Sure thing! But I hope you're not a vegetarian.
Message:
I do love a nice thick slice of prime rib now and then.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 16:03:26 (GMT)
From: Paul
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Blame the victim. How compassionate. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:57:45 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Shroom, you discusting person.
Message:
Did not I tell you to behave yourself before. You keep doing it again.
Everyone can see through you accept you.(and that other bum shp)
You still think that gum ji is the best thing that happened since slice bread. You defenitly are brain dead.
Do you go other place on this site except pestering around the forum.
you said you had knowledge 20 years or something.
If you really looking for truth, you owe it to yourself
to let go and surrender, not to stupid gum ji, but to your
true feelings.
Stop. Do not get me in
that I know knowledge has the answer.
Alchol has answers. Drugs have answers.
You really need detoxification of your addiction to gum ji.
I wish I can grab you by the collar and shake you a bit.
I can not do that.

Wake up you dump ass.

Salam

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:08:54 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Somebody teach this guy some grammer and typing
Message:
skills. Please! He doesn't even understand his own typos!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 17:51:55 (GMT)
From: Mistress Grammar's master
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Did you say 'grammer' child? Tut tut. (nt)
Message:
grammArgrammArgrammArgrammArgrammArgrammArgrammArgrammArgrammAr
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:46:44 (GMT)
From: Mistress Grammar
Email: None
To: Mistress Grammar's master
Subject: Did you say 'grammer' child? Tut tut.
Message:
Ok, who dares to call him/herself my master? Is that you, eDrek?
I thought I went into retirement, but you have forced me to return!

The Mistress

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:51:52 (GMT)
From: Not eDrek
Email: None
To: Mistress Grammar
Subject: From whom did you learn, Mistress?
Message:
From whom?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 20:28:48 (GMT)
From: Mistress Grammar
Email: None
To: Not eDrek
Subject: I learned from....
Message:
The Catholic Church! Since you are allegedly my master, one would assume you knew from whom I learned. Now.... expose yourself! Maybe this should be taken to Anything Goes, as the attorneys for the cult master have assigned some poor flunky to print out every post and put it in the folder of the respective ex-premie.


Mistress Grammar

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 23:50:44 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mistress Grammar
Subject: ROFL!!! The Catholic Church was MG's Master!
Message:
Too funny! Can't wait to find out if it's male or female!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 13:52:44 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Do you speak a second language Shrooooo...
Message:
and if so , how profficient are you in writing it. Would you never make mistakes? I doubt it.

Hal

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:37:55 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Can you recommend me a teacher..?
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:01:33 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: oops shroom even I don't typo that bad
Message:
You crack me up actually.
I don't take you seriously I doubt most people here do.

Lite entertainment, sorta like the internet equiv of
Survivors - stranded on an island with 15 cameras and the whole world looking on.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:15:29 (GMT)
From: Ha-ha!
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Blind leading the blind...
Message:
'GRAMMAR!'

What a fucking ignorant arsehole you are.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:58:17 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liv.ac.uk
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Are you Nil?
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:12:30 (GMT)
From: Mickey
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Somebody teach this guy some critical thinking
Message:
Well, your post above exposed your ignorance about Christian theology, your lack of a sense of humor, and your nasty attitude towards the people of Panamá. But once you posted using your real name and we made fun of you.
I don't know anything about a trust fund, but I know that it doesn't matter as long as you are enjoying Maharaji's free gift of knowledge.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:20:29 (GMT)
From: E.B. White
Email: tilting@windmills.com
To: Shroom-Meister
Subject: And some grammar.....
Message:
Shroomie seems to be unaware that 'free gift' is a bit redundant. But, then again, when driving your point home, 'tis better to use a jackhammer than subtlety or humor. Shroomie's got the same information disease as the other prem-posters here: bait and switch the topics, then digress and dodge the issue. Verbal fencer par excellence!

Well done, Shroom-Meister, you represent your Lord and his 'FREE GIFT' that he's giving all over the world (thank god he's a pilot) oh so well.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:52:25 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: You tell them Shroom....
Message:
It's just so beautiful and such a gift that makes me tingle all over to read what you have to say, with such love. You obviously are experiencing that gift, and are a wonderful example of what a premie experiencing that which is just so beautiful and fulfilling would say. Such love, I can hardly stand it.

We are all examples of what Maharaji is all about, and you are just about the best one I have seen. Isn't that love, which is that gift so beautiful. And I know it's only that beautiful to people like you who have that understanding. You are just a beacon of Maharaji's love.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:46:56 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Everything you say sucks the big one, Shroom
Message:
Shroom,

I haven't read a single thing you said that wasn't specious. Nothing. But who's got the energy to keep calling every last foul? It's like playing tennis with a chronic cheater. Worse, playing with a chronic cheater AND without a referee.

All I can tell you is that anyone with half a brain can see through your empty bullshit. You're just making a fool of yourself. But then, you're anonymous, right? It doesn't really matter what you say in that case, does it?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:13:58 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I guess it doesn't really matter what the 'ex'
Message:
premies who remain anonymous say either. Right, Jim? I'll tell you what. If all the 'ex' premies who post anonymously start using their real names, then so will I. Fair enough? And I have used my real name but when I did, some of you made fun of me. I'd rather you make fun of my amanuensis than my real name. It's more fun that way.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:28:22 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: No, there's a difference
Message:
True, Shroom, both exes and premies can hide behind anonymity. When exes do it, they're clearly hiding from hassles from the cult. However, when premies do it, they're also clearly hiding from hassles from the cult.

Think about it.

Anyway, the real porblem is that no one but a fellow cult member or a really sun-dried new-ager would agree with what you say. For example, that bit about it not mattering about Maharaji getting someone's trust fund because they'd never earned it to begin with? That's classic. Just fucking classic, really. Only a cult member would find any merit in that argument. Think about that.

Really, imagine someone going to the police and reporting the fact that the executor of their father's estate had embezzled the coffers and screwed them out of their inheritance. Do you actually think that the law's going to take the view that their injury's somehow diminished because they didn't earn the money? No fucking way. That's absurd.

And I've got news for you. No one outside the law's going to think so either. You're definitely not going to see any 'easy come, easy go' comments. That's just cult idiocy, you're expressing. Saying anything you can think of to wiggle off the hook. But the world at large can see through that. That's why I say that your anonymity makes it easier for you to say such stupid things. Get it?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:38:36 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Give me a break, Jim. Maharaji didn't embezzle
Message:
anyone's money. THEY GAVE IT! If they were later sorry that they did, it still is not a crime. And I am NOT afraid of the 'cult', as you say. People with Knowledge who still practice, attend events, etc. seem a lot more rational than some that I've seen here. But I'll sit down and have a beer with any 'ex' premie who wants to have a reasonable discussion with me without all the ranting and raving.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:17:15 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: You could also walk into a park
Message:
full of kids and con them to give you their money. Remember boof head. When we went to con ji we though he was the answer to everything, he could have asked for anything and got it.

You have a brick in your head and just refuse to see to accept it.

I know why and will tell.

It is called fear of letting go of your concepts, same stuff gum ji talks about.
More up to date maybe, fear of discomfort. You live in
a safe zone in gum ji's world, you have done it
for so long that you think anything on the other
side of the line is alian, so immediatly you want to change it.

Here, no one wants to change. I do not, and certainly Jim and sb do not.
So you change your tactics. You use logic, deformed logic
to try to persue us.

Look you shmuck. It does not work.
you are too stupid for that.
again, wake up to yourself,you are turning into a bad joke.

Tell me something, how come you sound like Mel?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 10:21:04 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: I'm not Shroom - I'm Mel
Message:
Hi Salam

Shroom is definitely not me, he's far more 'orthodox', any similarity in the way we 'sound' is coincidental (unless, of course, you subscibe to the erroneous view predominant on this site - 'cult preprogamming')

Regards

Mel

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:34:18 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Now that is what I call coincidental
Message:
Interesting, you also are afraid to post under your real name.

How do you mean that shroomi is an orthodox and your not, what are you,a protestant premie?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:46:00 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: No, he just defrauded people
Message:
How stupid of you to do this? Do you really think my example depended on embezzlement per se? Of course not. I was replying to your general point which was, essentially, that in cases where the money wasn't hard-earned, 'eassy come, easy go'. That was my point. And that's the point you're evading.

Anyway, Maharaji definitely defrauded people. By saying that he was the Lord of the Universe (read the quotes over on JM's section of the site, the DLM / EV Papers) and inducing complete dedication of all assets and resources back in the early seventies, he defrauded people.

Now don't be telling me that what he did didn't constitute fraud. I'm a criminal lawyer and I know full well that no court would agree with you. It'd be as simple as proving the quotes, establishing the devotional culture then and hearing evidence that that was why the person gave what they did. Maharaji would lose, end of story.

Indeed, I understand that a few people did sue Maharaji on similar bases and that these cases were settled out of court.

But you weren't even there then, were you?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:12:39 (GMT)
From: I'm a lawyer too...
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: No, he just defrauded people
Message:
Jim-is that true?
Were there out of court settlements?
Is this something that we can get more info on, for the site?
It would make great reading...
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 15:49:38 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: I'm a lawyer too...
Subject: Sorry, I don't like responding to nameless posts
Message:
Is this you, Marianne? If not, who?

Nothing personal but I really don't like to respond to nameless posts. It's wrong when premies do it and it's wrong when exes do too. Completely threatens the clarity of the page, such as it is.

Hope you understand.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:05:40 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah, Jim, I'm sure some theoretical judge or jury
Message:
might agree with you. Then again, they might just think it was buyer's remorse and sour grapes after the fact.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:58:40 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Nice try but no
Message:
Unh unh, Shroomosabie. No 'then again' nothings. I know of which I speak and you're wrong.

So where does that get us? You're back to having to explain how it doesn't matter if Maharaji defrauded someone of their trust fund, etc.

By the way, I know of one case in particular that was exactly along those lines. A pretty Nelson / Vancouver premie, I believe her name was Darby something-or-other. Long, brown hair. Inherited a fortune and tried to give it all to the cult in '74. I believe her family was successful in blocking the transfer on the basis that it was induced fraudulently.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:34:40 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Nice try but no
Message:
So Maharaji never got his hands on Darbi something-or-others money? Doesn't sound like fraud to me. Why don't we ask her?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:03:49 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Stupidest thing you've said yet
Message:
Can anyone believe this?

This guy's gonna put Tami, Simon and Pauline out of business. Where's the room for satire when these idiots think this way?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 12:14:21 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: What did you expect.
Message:
Most of them think this is a joke, but when they are confronted with someone that knows more of them, they revert to stupidity and dissapear.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:09:48 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy....
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Why are you so sour and nasty, Shroom..
Message:
..when you you have the most precious gift going?

[The rest of this post has been edited at Nigel's request, for the same reasons he asked me to edit the post up above. I think he might be hungover this morning.]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:37:51 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: A poor attempt at justifying a double standard
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:59:58 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: O
Subject: A poor attempt at justifying a double standard
Message:
Anonymity revisited.
I think ex's who have real fear of retaliation from the premies and the cult have a right to their anonymity.
I think premies come on here and use their anonymity to disrupt and be assholes and hide.
As to how many ex's really have good reason for anonymity, it's not my place to judge. This forum is scary sometimes in it's wide open unmoderated state and I can see why it could be interpreted as a double standard. There are a few reasons I feel that way right now.

But that's the internet. Try to find some forum that doesn't have this situation. good luck. I am always amazed at the righteous indignation of non ex's who come here and then protest about our basic theme here. Didn't you read the URL????

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:34:16 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Brilliant! (nt)
Message:
fffff
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:42:35 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What is the Maharaji Cult?
Message:
Down below, somebody was parroting the Elan Vital line that it isn't a cult, has no members, etc. This is a major red herring and that's why I always refer to Elan Vital, Maharaji and the premies, as the 'Maharaji Cult' because I think that is much more accurate.

It is irrelevent nonsense to talk about whether 'Elan Vital' is a cult or not and the crap on the Elan Vital website about this is definitely part of the spin.

The 'cult' which Maharaji operates and is the head of, is NOT 'Elan Vital.' Elan Vital/Visions is just a front organization used to raise money and be a legal entity to rent halls, sell cult trinkets, etc. Cult members couldn't care less if there is an 'Elan Vital' at all. The 'cult' is the entire 'group' with Maharaji as the head, with various premies as leaders, such as initiators, fundraisers, administrators, and the premies with special status because they are 'close to' Maharaji, etc. What makes the Maharaji cult a cult, is not any particular organizational structure. What makes this a cult are a number of things, including:

1. A belief system that promises a simple solution to unhappiness, problems, etc. This is called 'knowledge,' and the promise of this is what attracts most of the people who get involved in the first place. I know it's what attracted me.

2. People who receive knowledge are told, and often believe, that they have something 'special' that other people don't have, they feel 'lucky' and are told to be 'grateful.' They hence feel part of a privileged 'club' which is the cult. Just read ELK, if you don't think this is what premies believe. I know it was what I believed, and Maharaji says it repeatedly.

3. There is a 'cult leader' who is believed to be the source of the 'simple solution', who is believed to be either divine, or somehow possessing special powers, who is considered well above the status of a normal human being and is worthy of worship, awe, devotion (gratitude) and love. The situation with Maharaji is obvious, and since 99% of the premies have never even met him, they don't know that he is a very fallable, and in many ways a screwed up, human being. Nevertheless, events are held, the major purpose of which appears to be to give him 'adulation' while he sits high above them on a throne.

3. The Cult culture, both officially and unofficially, does not tolerate dissent, or publicly expressed doubt, or anything negative stated about 'knowledge' and especially, Maharaji. Any premie who were to do so in front of other premies, would lose any ability for any 'special' service, status in the cult, and could be subjected to ostracism and a lot of fear that he or she is offending some guy with a lot of power over him or her (Maharaji in particular.) Plus, as someone quoted recently, to this day, Maharaji continues to preach that one cannot 'doubt' or you won't have 'the experience.' This is a blatant 'cult' quality.

4. The cult constantly asks for money or services from the cult members, both for the 'organization' and for the 'leader.' There are constantly new projects and phases to explain that the promised world transformation is just around the corner. In the Maharaji cult, this is called 'participation' which is basically the requirements for money and free labor to cult projects (planes, Amaroo, Boeing 707, Phase II, etc., etc.), to get new people involved, and to send money to the cult and to Maharaji personally. Right now the projects seem to be Amaroo, and the new 'digital knowledge' program. Just some in a long series of failed projects going back to the Millennium festival and before.

There are other things as well, but these are some of the things that make Maharaji's cult a cult. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether some cult entity, such as Elan Vital, has members or not, or anything else about it. The cult is not in the 'organization' it's in the belief system propogated by the group and the leader.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:35:33 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: A cult only if you want one
Message:
Joe I have to respond to the drivel you posted about what makes premies part of a cult.Your comments are absurd and shows how ridiculous you have become about this whole thing.But then the mere fact you hang out on this forum just about every day of your life is the clearest demonstration of how ridiculous you have become.

You said re; proof of cult#1>>>A belief system that promises a simple solution to unhappiness, problems, etc. This is called 'knowledge,' and the promise of this is what attracts most of the people who get involved in the first place. I know it's what attracted me.
Me>>>The techniques are simple but happiness is not.There is no attempt,and I defy you to prove there is,to sell unsuspecting people on simplistic benefits.As a matter of fact the opposite is true.There is a rather lengthy process,as you know,of listening to what it is about so the person can understand that it is NOT just a simple solution for happiness.

You said re; proof of cult#2>>>People who receive knowledge are told, and often believe, that they have something 'special' that other people don't have, they feel 'lucky' and are told to be 'grateful.' They hence feel part of a privileged 'club' which is the cult. Just read ELK, if you don't think this is what premies believe. I know it was what I believed, and Maharaji says it repeatedly.
Me>>>What is this Joe, are you trying to foist the communist manifesto on us?We are ALL looking for something that makes us feel special.Are you trying to tell me you are looking for something that makes you feel mundane and mediocre?Give me a break!You just have a hard time accepting the possibility that someone may value something you don't so you make it out to be common place.
Let me tell you,anyone who feels the experience of Knowledge KNOWS they have something special.The difference is the impulse is to share it with as many people as possible;not confine it to an exclusive club.

You said re; proof of cult#3>>>There is a 'cult leader' who is believed to be the source of the 'simple solution', who is believed to be either divine, or somehow possessing special powers, who is considered well above the status of a normal human being and is worthy of worship, awe, devotion (gratitude) and love. The situation with Maharaji is obvious, and since 99% of the premies have never even met him, they don't know that he is a very fallable, and in many ways a screwed up, human being. Nevertheless, events are held, the major purpose of which appears to be to give him 'adulation' while he sits high above them on a throne.
Me>>>I'll grant you this:Yes there is a leader(even though he says he's not one) 'possessing special powers'.He has the power to direct a person who wants to be directed to a place within themselves that is perfect.Pretty darned powerful stuff if you ask me.
As for comments on his psychological stability,I don't think you are in a position to comment.As far as I can see you are pretty screwed up yourself.Case in point 'the mere fact you hang out on this forum just about every day of your life'.
One more thing,the 'major purpose' of having events is for inspiration,not for anyone to sit on a throne (besides he sits on a normal chair).And my friend events are an incredible source of inspiration for people who take Knowledge to heart.

You said re; proof of cult#4>>>The Cult culture, both officially and unofficially, does not tolerate dissent, or publicly expressed doubt, or anything negative stated about 'knowledge' and especially, Maharaji. Any premie who were to do so in front of other premies, would lose any ability for any 'special' service, status in the cult, and could be subjected to ostracism and a lot of fear that he or she is offending some guy with a lot of power over him or her (Maharaji in particular.) Plus, as someone quoted recently, to this day, Maharaji continues to preach that one cannot 'doubt' or you won't have 'the experience.' This is a blatant 'cult' quality.
Me>>>Of course there is tolerance for dissent.'The door is always open.' Do you remember who said that Joe?
That said,there are some positions that a person cannot perform up to standard if they are full of doubt and it would be better for them and for Maharaji that someone else do the job.For example,can you imagine someone in charge of aspirants who thinks M is a con man?Just wouldn't work would it?That's just common sense Joe,you know,that stuff you seem to be a little short of.If the person is a grown-up they would do the right thing for all concerned,instead of acting out of fear to protect their own ass.

You said re; proof of cult#5>>>The cult constantly asks for money or services from the cult members, both for the 'organization' and for the 'leader.' There are constantly new projects and phases to explain that the promised world transformation is just around the corner. In the Maharaji cult, this is called 'participation' which is basically the requirements for money and free labor to cult projects (planes, Amaroo, Boeing 707, Phase II, etc., etc.), to get new people involved, and to send money to the cult and to Maharaji personally. Right now the projects seem to be Amaroo, and the new 'digital knowledge' program. Just some in a long series of failed projects going back to the Millennium festival and before.
Me>>>Get your facts straight Joe,money for Maharaji is never solicited,period!Yes there are projects Maharaji is interested in doing and these projects require financing.You calling them a failure doesn't make them so and once again you are in no position to comment.Amaroo is by no means a failed project.Anyone who has been there will attest to that.

Joe,I gotta tell you,the degree to which you go to conjure up criticizm where there is none is quite appalling.By so doing you show yourself to be either a truly dishonest person or perhaps just someone capable of being totally blinded by your own prejudice.Either way it is nothing more than propeganda perpetuated by a very small minded individual;someone who obviously has little else going for them but to hang out with a bunch of fellow misfits promoting their brand of hate and bemoaning the choices they made in their lives.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:26:53 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Well Nil/URL/O why are you compulsively here?
Message:
Dishonest person? You hypocritical bastard. You are so deceitful you pretend you are somebody else, (you are on your third or fourth manifestation now, and won't even admit you are one and the same person, pretending to be somebody else., when you are the same, one tired premie, trying desperately to declare not to belong to a cult.) Well, it doesn't work and it's patently dishonest. Disagree with me if you want to, but I am who I am, don't pretend to be somebody else, and speak from my own experience. Jerk.

But please continue with this, Nil/Url/O, because your arguments are so stupid that they prove to any objective reader that what Maharaji is about is a big, weird, cult. And letting people know that, is what this is all about. So, thanks for that.

There were five elements to a cult that the Maharaji cult fits to a T, and you are about the best proof I can imagine.

Item one, yes, there is a lenghtly process, but the promise is a simplistic solution, that pressing your eyeballs, plugging your ears, following your breathing, and sticking your tongue back down your throat is a connection to some kind of happiness. The 'lengthy process' is the indoctrination that people have to go through to program them into the cult. But this usually doesn't work, since most people split eventually, if not fairly soon.

Item 2, the feeling of being 'special' has always been an element of the Maharaji cult. It was when I was involved, and still is. Premies say repeatedly, and so does Maharaji, that 'people of the world' are lost, confused, and don't know their 'heart', while premies do. So, they feel 'special.'

Item 3, you admit there is a cult leader who is considered to have special powers and is worshipped. Thanks for that.

Item 4, Maharaji has CONSTANTLY solicited money, so don't be a liar. He does it through surrogates, however, like Yoram Weiss, David Smith and other henchmen, and it is CONSTANT, and has been since the beginning. Maharaji's desires for material possessions and hence the money they cost, is insatiable. Unfortunately, I have first-hand knowledge and participated in this, as I was one of Maharaji's money-raising henchmen for a number of years.

And the fact that you are 'appalled' by what I said, is a clear indication that it's hitting home. So thanks for that to, Mr. URL/NIL/O etc. Our own compulsive, premie addicted to arguing with ex-premies. Good for you.

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 22:48:04 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Wrong!And you seem to be the compulsive one Joe
Message:
After all I'm not the one who spends almost every day of my life glued to this hate site.
You said>>>'Dishonest person? You hypocritical bastard. You are so deceitful you pretend you are somebody else, (you are on your third or fourth manifestation now, and won't even admit you are one and the same person, pretending to be somebody else., when you are the same, one tired premie, trying desperately to declare not to belong to a cult.) Well, it doesn't work and it's patently dishonest. Disagree with me if you want to, but I am who I am, don't pretend to be somebody else, and speak from my own experience. Jerk.
But please continue with this, Nil/Url/O, because your arguments are so stupid that they prove to any objective reader that what Maharaji is about is a big, weird, cult. And letting people know that, is what this is all about. So, thanks for that.'
Me>>>Pressed a button or two did I Joe?Calm down and take a deep breath.And I'm not Nil/Url so please don't use that to divert the attention away from your own dishonesty.
Yes you are dishonest or blinded by your own prejidice.I not sure which one it is but I am sure you are being infintile.My arguments are anything but stupid.The fact you would resort to that level of infintile name calling sheds light on your emotinoal makeup,which comes through.My arguments are reflective of someone whose understanding has kept up with current events while yours are historical perspectives seen through the haze of resentment for the choices you made in your life.

You said>>>Item one, yes, there is a lenghtly process, but the promise is a simplistic solution, that pressing your eyeballs, plugging your ears, following your breathing, and sticking your tongue back down your throat is a connection to some kind of happiness. The 'lengthy process' is the indoctrination that people have to go through to program them into the cult. But this usually doesn't work, since most people split eventually, if not fairly soon.
Me>>>Indoctrination??Complete and utter Bullshit Joe!The fact that he gives people the time to assess whether they want to pursue Knowledge is a demonstration of the integrity of the process and of the man himself.What a spiteful person you are to spin it as something deceitful.People are free to come and listen and when they want to ask for Knowledge,ask for it.Nothing is asked of them during this time and they are given the space to decide freely what they want.Indoctrination,what a load of crap!

You said>>>Item 2, the feeling of being 'special' has always been an element of the Maharaji cult. It was when I was involved, and still is. Premies say repeatedly, and so does Maharaji, that 'people of the world' are lost, confused, and don't know their 'heart', while premies do. So, they feel 'special.'
Me>>>Right Joe,people of the world are generally happy and know who they are and why they are here.Sure,what planet was it youi said you lived on?On a per capita basis premies know their hearts to a significant degree more than these 'people of the world' you compare us to.Sure,compared to your simplistic cardboard stereotype of a premie anything short of an ameoba would come out on top.But let's look at it Joe.Stereotypes are just a compilation of negative traits put together by lazy and prejidiced people to support their intolerances.They rarely represent real people and do more harm than good.Of course such stereotyping of premies allows you exers to feel superior to them for the first time in your lives but that's a topic for another post.

You said>>>Item 4, Maharaji has CONSTANTLY solicited money, so don't be a liar. He does it through surrogates, however, like Yoram Weiss, David Smith and other henchmen, and it is CONSTANT, and has been since the beginning.
Me>>>There was a time a long time ago when information was presented at local events about how people could support Maharaji personally if they wanted to.But that hasn't been done for a long,long time,I mean maybe 12- 15 years ago;and I defy anybody to dispute that.Yuor claim he is 'CONSTANTLY' soliciting money for himself is just plain wrong!I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and assume you're just a little out of touch and not outright lying.

You said>>>Maharaji's desires for material possessions and hence the money they cost, is insatiable. Unfortunately, I have first-hand knowledge and participated in this, as I was one of Maharaji's money-raising henchmen for a number of years.
Me>>>You are in no position to comment on Maharaji's desires or motives as you were just not that close to him Joe.The fact you see all his actions through the eyes of suspicion gives you a predictable point of view.But to people who love him and trust him,working on projects for him is very fulfilling and for some a life saver.
So what were these *personal* projects you were a self described 'money-raising henchman' for?A boat?A car?An Astin Martin?How many of these were special occasion gifts that premies were given the opportunity to contribute to?I mean what do you expect,the whole world would all chip in on his birthday to buy him a tie?And joe if you tell me it was ever a hard sell to solicit money you would be a liar yourself.The information was always simply presented and it was up to each premie whether they saw it as an opportunity to get involved or another burden to feel guilty about.For some it was an opportunity for others it was a burden.I suppose in your egalitarian communistic standards of justice Maharaji should have played to the lowest common denominator and deprived people of opportunities for the sake of the poor sots who couldn't handle the guilt?Yuk!And happy May Day comrade.

You said>>>And the fact that you are 'appalled' by what I said, is a clear indication that it's hitting home. So thanks for that to, Mr. URL/NIL/O etc. Our own compulsive, premie addicted to arguig with ex-premies. Good for you.
Me>>>Dream on Joe,you've been fanning air every at-bat.And stop calling me Nil/Url or whatever,please.

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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 15:56:25 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: O
Subject: If you repeat a lie often enough...
Message:
I'm not Nil/Url so please don't use that to divert the attention away from your own dishonesty...
Dream on Joe,you've been fanning air every at-bat.And stop calling me Nil/Url or whatever,please.

One of the Nazi's favorite maxims was that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe you. Certainly it's the easiest thing in the world for you to lie about your identity everytime you reincarnate yourself on this forum.
Just one problem. Your writing style is so definite and distinct, just so revealing of the real person writing the post. And there's only person authoring the posts of Nil-URL-Mirror and now O.
Unable to admit that there just aren't enough pwks in premiedom who can come here and counter the arguments presented by exes, you need to recycle yourselves under different anonymous pseudonyms. You also need to hide from your previous shameful performances here and give yourselves a 'fresh start' each time you reappear.

Another comment. You wrote:

There was a time a long time ago when information was presented at local events about how people could support Maharaji personally if they wanted to.But that hasn't been done for a long,long time,I mean maybe 12- 15 years ago;and I defy anybody to dispute that. Yuor claim he is 'CONSTANTLY' soliciting money for himself is just plain wrong!I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one and assume you're just a little out of touch and not outright lying.

Bullsit O. You're the one who's the outright liar in this situation. As far as Joe is concerned, he's very much in touch with developments in the cult's shenanigans through his contact with recent exes such as myself. As such he knows full well that as recently as 1998 when I left the cult announcements were made at 'information programs' for anyone desiring to make private donations DIRECTLY to m himself to meet with the likes of David Mankoff, Yoram Weiss or Georges Legere outside the hall or room where these meetings were taking place. But the announcement itself was always made inside the hall.

It's quite obvious that the only way, Nil-URL-Mirror-O, that you guys can defend your cult and its 'non-leader,' is by taking the truth and standing it on its head.

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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 16:23:13 (GMT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: If you repeat a lie often enough...
Message:
Maybe his writing style isn't distinctive, maybe the new premies all think and act alike and spout alike - he could be someone else jsut reguritating, what amazes me is how these 'newbies' to the site know of a history - it must be in the cloning milk.
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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 18:25:50 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: If you repeat a lie often enough...
Message:
Maybe his writing style isn't distinctive, maybe the new premies all think and act alike and spout alike

I agree with latter part of your statement, but THIS guy's style definitely IS distinctive and his tone as well.

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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 18:01:38 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: If you repeat a lie often enough...
Message:
...what amazes me is how these 'newbies' to the site know of a history

Yes fascinating, isn't it. And that should explain it all.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:46:38 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Welcome back....Nil-URL-Mirror-O !
Message:
Oh my! You're evolving!!

All the way from one fake name to another, and now to a simple letter.

Your integrity and courage will serve as an inspiration to premies everywhere.
A fake hero, for people who have commited themselves to their cult of fakery.

That's WHAT YOU ARE!

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:37:03 (GMT)
From: Michael
Email: None
To: O
Subject: It doesn't matter what we think as long as you and
Message:
Shroomananda are enjoying listening to Maharaji and enjoying his free gift of Knowledge. He's a pilot, you know, and can play the piano!!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:50:01 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: Sorry O, you got D-- on this one.
Message:
shroomji.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:23:09 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Excellent job! You deserve an A+. (nt)
Message:
aaaa
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 14:30:07 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Cult minds 'think' alike, it would seem.
Message:
And there but for the grape go I...
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:47:18 (GMT)
From: P-man
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: )))****--Roger--Best Of--****((( NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:09:53 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Fronts
Message:
Yeah, that's it. Like the store fronts in the North End of Boston. They sell little trinkets and junk. But they're just fronts for the hoods, the mob, the mafia. Same thing. Common practice. Standard Operating Procedure. A place to launder the cash.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:15:02 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Also A PR Front
Message:
Right, it's the entity that relates to the public, the press (although even Elan Vital appears to refrain from THAT), to take heat if things go wrong, as a way for premies to give donations and take tax deductions, to be a kind of 'buffer' between Maharaji and 'the world' and to help protect him from liability. And some would also say, to serve as a funnel for cash to Maharaji through a network of other cult corporations. (Seva, Prime Resource, etc.)
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:30:22 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Is Balkis Shah still around?
Message:
I knew her millions of years ago in London, when I stayed at their house, all she did is work, eat pasta and make shirts to gum ji. Her mum hated him. Whatever happened to her sister's husband (can not remember his name)? he used to be gum ji's cock.
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 04:15:17 (GMT)
From: Curious George
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Belkis and Bobby the cook
Message:
Dear Salaam,

Poor Mum,

Belkis is very high up in the ranks as she and Charnanand travel the world as M's envoys. They are the ONLY two or should I say WERE the only two that were allowed to get people ready receive K. Now it's all on video she'll have much more time to visit her poor old mum. Sister and brother in law are still very happy serving their lord. Poor mum.

Curious George

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 13:28:59 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Curious George
Subject: Belkis and Bobby the cook
Message:
That is him, Bobby, a scott. Beats me why they are still with gum.
And I went one day and asked Belkis to help me get into the ashram, sheessh, I am glad I was a bad example of a devotee, other wise you lot will be giving me heaps.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 17:57:18 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: and do you know anyone called Bulent, Salam? (nt)
Message:
sdfgf
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:09:40 (GMT)
From: TeddyTheTurtle
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: An alternate to M
Message:
I met up with her in '91 for a quick coffee...never saw her again....told her that I rediscovered another alternative way to M....she was not interested to know...she seemed really set in her ways....But never the less a nice person to know...
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:38:50 (GMT)
From: Now now boys and girls,
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: I did not want to start a fight, all I wanted to
Message:
know is whether she was still around. JMkhan put a post in a different thread which triggered some memory.

I knew Belkis as a tough nut. She was a what you call a 'real devotee'. Me I was the worst devotee. I thought she was more than a puppet that follows orders, but then who knows what this cult does to your brain.

Salam

p.s. to the 'typo' posters. You have to forgive me, but
I truly and sincerlly do not understand
what that is. Light please.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:17:02 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Now now boys and girls,
Subject: I got a light, Salam, and I love easy questions
Message:
'Cock' is slang for a penis, in case you haven't figured it out yet.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:28:29 (GMT)
From: You exes all have dirty
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: minds, can not you see it's a typing error. That
Message:
is what happens when you do not follow shroomanand ji, sorry gum ji's meditation.

Sorry Mr cock, i mean cook.

Salam

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:43:31 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: You exes all have dirty
Subject: It's not my fault! I'm not brainwashed! ;-)
Message:
And I'm a 'non-anything' Salam. Thanks for the laugh! Bon appetit! (no real translation, but 'Enjoy your meal' is the usual equivalent ;-) Isn't learning fun?
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:54:40 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Maharaji's cock
Message:
You ex-premies are such evil and gross beings. You just don't have that understanding. First of all, no one could ever be Maharaji's cock. I have never heard anyone ever say that he had anyone doing participation in that way. From what I hear, he is doing okay operating his own cock, but since I have heard it is, well, tiny, he certainly would be entitled to the use of somebody else's cock if that's what he wanted. As Dettmers said in his Poconos satsang, nothing is too good for Maharaji. We should just roll out the red carpet, or maybe the pink carpet, or the pink....something.

And how could you know somebody 'millions of years ago?' Huh? What a liar you are. Your karma is fucked, for talking about the master in this way. Why I am appalled, but trying to meditate to keep from doing something drastic.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:01:42 (GMT)
From: Simon Satsang
Email: foaming@themouth.con
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: Maharaji's cock
Message:
My dear sister, we both know that Maharaji doesn't have a cock. As a dear premie told me back in the seventies, Maharaji's children were conceived by immaculate conception and Durga Ji is still a virgin (as is Maharaji of course).

Prince Charles once said that he would like to come back as Camilla's tampon and surely, it is every devotee's wish to be reborn as Maharaji's cock, even though he has no need for it. Perhaps the aforementioned premie has finally had his boon granted.

Of course, I am myself not worthy of ever even anticipating being the Lord's cock but perhaps, if I am graced, I may be reborn as one of Maharaji's faeces and be flushed down the golden toilet to make my journey to that divine sewer which is his ocean of mercy.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:17:17 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: My Fantasy....
Message:
On several occasions, while going through the darshan line and waiting to kiss Maharaji's feet, I have fantasized about being on the receiving end of Maharaji's cock. But, as you say, it is almost to much for me to even imagine, and I am just so gifted to be kissing his feet, let alone anything else he might have.

But I can sort of relate to Prince Charles. I have always thought I would like to be reincarnated as Maharaji's suppository. Or maybe a pair of his bikini underwear. I also had a darshan dream once, in which I was suffocated in his smelly arm pit. [I nearly wet my pants just thinking about that one.]

Okay, I'm trying to remember that Maharaji, the one who never claimed to be god, and doesn't want to be worshipped, and is entitled to every luxurious thing he has, is my master, and I shouldn't be so bold as to expect anything more. I already have that gift and it is just so beautiful.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:29:17 (GMT)
From: Sister Mary Mae Hemm
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: You are sinful and sick, my child. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:57:11 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Sister Mary Mae Hemm
Subject: You are very sinful and sick, my child. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:58:57 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: Pauline, shutup and put a cock ring on it. (nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:07:22 (GMT)
From: Pauline's Sister
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: In What, exactly?(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:32:35 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: BEST TYPO OF THE YEAR
Message:
ntr
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:51:22 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: BEST TYPO OF THE YEAR - Salam I have to agree
Message:
I hope you can smile about it. everyone knows I've been the queen of Freudian typos but yours is by far the best.
I abdicate to you.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 17:14:19 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: big typo in your post (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:27:04 (GMT)
From: Tami
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Wel, just hou big iz it? )nt(
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 17:06:26 (GMT)
From: TeddyTheTurtle
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Is Balkis Shah still around?
Message:
Salam..I know her and her family too...and that house in Belsize park....I think she is still with M...she was an instructor...very nice family..Yemenis....But I was more friendly with her sister
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:56:42 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: TeddyTheTurtle
Subject: Is Balkis Shah still around?
Message:
Maybe it's Belkis Shaw.

Instructor might be an understatement. I know that around 1995 or so she was one of the trusted Soul Gatekeepers of the Sacred Knowledge in the U.S. She would travel from major city to major city and conduct the grueling, intense, extremely personal, and humiliating Knowledge Pre-Selections. The screening consisted of a list of criteria like (1) You cannot be pregnant, (2) what is your religion, (3) does your spouse have Knowledge, (4) do you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend that don't have Knowledge, etc.

Of course, I've never met the woman nor was I at one of these Inquisitions - I only heard from people who were.

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 04:21:38 (GMT)
From: Curious George
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Belkis Shah - water under the bridge
Message:
Lets get the spelling right you guys before she's about to become water under the bridge,

Curious George

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:15:16 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: all
Subject: There is a Balkis...
Message:
that cooks for lardo in London. I believe she even travels to places when he will be there for a time. Not sure if it is the same Balkis, will find out from one of premies, who, by the way, have all but forgotten about M for the time being. Ever since his appearance here in Boston no one meditates, no one goes to videos. Kind of a lull around here in premie land. No talk of how beautiful life is, how wonderful the sunset was. Just get up go to work and come home to do it all over again. Didnt Frank Sinatra say it right? 'That's Life'
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:14:45 (GMT)
From: buzz
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: the four tecniques
Message:
i was talking to a eye surgeon the other day.he said it's not a good idea to go pressing your eyeballs.i always found it uncomfortable,the nectar tecnique is also uncomfortable,and to get any real experience from it you really need to get it right up,the sound drives me mad,lying in bed at night with static ringing in my ears,i'm sure pete towshend knows it well.give me silence anyday,and as for the name just think if you had to remember to breath each breath or you'd suffocate.pretty boring really.unless you practice the tecnique properly and we were never shown how.if you want some relaxation try lying on your back for 20 minutes,very peacfull.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 17:53:16 (GMT)
From: Rated-X
Email: None
To: buzz
Subject: Uncomfortable four tecniques
Message:
I always thought the first prerequisite to any meditation was to at least be relaxed and comfortable. Having your arms up in the air or your tongue held way back is just wierd, made me feel like I was about to choke. As for the 3rd or breathing technique, it doesn't do much, just got me daydreaming, has no effect on the thought prosess. Those techniques are frustrating more than anything else.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:14:49 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Rated-X
Subject: The Purpose of Meditation in Maharaji Cult
Message:
As everything else Maharaji did, he had no idea what he was doing when it came to 'instructing' his followers of what meditation was even for, let alone how to do it. He had no idea what he was doing, and from what Mishler and others who were around Maharaji a lot, he hardly ever meditated anyway and was of no help for anyone on how to do the techniques properly.

When I was a premie, the stated purpose of 'meditation' was 'to grind your mind down.' It's purpose was part of a formula, along with satsang and service. If you did all three, as much as possible, you would 'realize' and have the experience of, 'knowledge' which was the experience of the energy that is god, the primordial vibration, and you would be transformed into someone who had 'realized' knowledge, and not have to deal with the ups and downs of pleasure and pain anymore.

Despite the fact that both Maharaji and Elan Vital lie and say Maharaji's teachings have not changed, now, Maharaji says 'meditation' just puts you in touch with 'that place' which is your 'heart' and you should be grateful for it. Period. At least that is for public consumption. It's unclear what premies actually believe.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 03:46:29 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage
Message:
It appears the Sunday satellite broadcast this Sunday in my area ain't expecting much of a turn out. They are having it in the Community room of Fullerton Community bank in Garden Grove that doesn't fit too many people. I'd think 25 or so, maybe. This was the same place I viewed many videos and never saw more than maybe six people at once.

Oh well, maybe at least it is cheaper and will save M's devotees some dough.

Here's the info if anyone wants to educate the bank about those afterhours cult activities taking place there.
(714) 441-3140, Hours M-Th 9-5, Fri 9-6
Garden Grove
12860 Euclid Street, Garden Grove, CA. 92840
Patty Scarpine, AVP/Branch Manager

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:04:12 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage
Message:
I agree with Shroomie here, Daneane. Why this interest? I think that you have to ask for Knowledge and practice it for a while before you have a campaigne going against EV, Knowledge and Maharaji. I think you are ridiculous.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:39:30 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Get a brain
Message:
That Daneane was able to explain what happened to her when she 'attempted' to receive K is an excellent eye opener for those aspirants who read this forum, those who may be considering becoming a feet kisser. Yuck!
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:31:00 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing
Message:
People don't have to have an involvrment to protest acgainst thieves and paedophille protectors, just like most of the people who protested againt Pinochet(in the UK) wernn't form Chile.

Still it's your experience that counts isn't it.

Noe go and put your head in the sand.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:47:36 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing
Message:
I don`t see any thieves or paedophille protectors in Maharaji or Elan Vital`!!! NO ONE WILL PROTECT THAT SORT OF THING!!!

Sorry!!

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:38:46 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing
Message:
Actually, Kjarne, he and they are both and THEY DO!!!!!

You should be!!!

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:42:46 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing
Message:

I hear you, but I don`t belive you.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 05:55:18 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Evil flourishes where 'good' people do nothing
Message:
How convenient!
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:54:27 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Hear no evil, see no evil, huh?
Message:
If you've been here for a while 'kjarne', you will have had ample time to read the reports of tax evasion, money collected under false pretenses of being God and the whole Jagdeo affair.

If you are open enough to read this information and be objective, which I seriously doubt you are, then take a stroll around this site and the ones linked to it. Maybe someone will point you directly to the relevant URLs.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:15:48 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:
that because she was wise enough not to drink of rawat's poison, she has no business warning others to avoid his bullshit?
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 09:56:24 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: non
To: JTF
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:
I don`t agree with you JTF, What you call bullshit is for many people an experience of peace and joy.

I think maybe you could call DLM a cult, but many things have changed this days. I don`t see EV as a cult. I think the premies are like rest of the people of the world, (jobs, families,hobbies), and most of them are happy practising K. No pressure.

I can understand that you guys are angry about the past, ashrams etc. but to day things are different.

I have had K for 23 years and have experienced the 70`s, 80`s and the 90`s.

Things have changed over the years and to the better. In this days, I like to go to programs and meet friends from all over the world. It makes mee grow and I feel good about it.

Life is short. Why not enjoy it the best way as possible. To complaine about the past has nothing to it.

I have been reading this Forum for a while, and I like you guys. But sometimes you are too angry.

Sorry about my english. I am not from an englishspoken country.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:43:17 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:
what is your mother language?

The pressure to practice K was engraved on premies minds with the Rotten Vegetable Satsang, still at work on your subconscient mind. You are an 'old premies', from the 70s, aren't you?

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:41:16 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Simple question for you
Message:
You say you don't see Elan Vital as a cult. Tell me, do you see it as a church?
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:45:23 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Simple question for you/ simple answer
Message:

No, I see it as an organisation that support Maharaji in his work to spread the Knowledge!

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:58:57 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: That's very interesting
Message:
Because you see Elan Vital has registered itself as a 'church' with the Internal Revenue Service, so that it is excused from filing any information pertaining to its income, expenditure and business dealings, unlike other charities.

One of the disqualifying factors, however, and one which has been used in Court cases with the IRS, is if its own members do not consider it a church.

You being one such person, may we use your name and above statement in any future IRS investigation?

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:01:57 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: That's very interesting
Message:
I am not a member of Elan Vital. Elan Vital don`t have members.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:44:26 (GMT)
From: suckers
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: That's very interesting
Message:
No members,just suckers.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:07:13 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Well you see there's another problem
Message:
According to the IRS, you can't be a 'church' without a congregation. Or 'members', if you prefer to call it that.

Hey, you're going to make a great witness for the prosecution. Tell us more!

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:10:41 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Well you see there's another problem
Message:
You send me the tickets for the airplane to US, right.

Can I have a vacation at the same time and take my wife with me?

End of discution!

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:51:44 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: An affidavit will do fine
Message:
You can buy your own ticket with the refund of charitable contributions from Elan Vital once their tax-exempt status has been revoked.

Yes, end of discussion. How predictable!

Now you can join the ranks of all the other premies who cruise in here, half-heartedly take issue with some of the truths being exposed, and bail out as soon as they feel THAT confrontation, THAT challenge to their beliefs & THAT uneasy voice inside which recognizes the truth in what's being said.

Well just stick around and read, Norseman, maybe some of it will get through eventually.

ps, Give our love to bjorn, won't you?


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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 21:36:05 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: An affidavit will do fine
Message:

I am a norwegian and deal with Elan Vital foundation in Norway.

I have nothing to do with Elan Vital in US. I thought you knew that if you ones was a premie,

Elan Vital in Norway is not a church.

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:30:00 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Norwegian Woody
Message:
Ok excuse me, I didn't realize an institution could be a church in one country and not in another. So what is Elan Vital in Norway then? What's the connection between them and the US version other than the name?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 16:40:55 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Kjarne
Subject: So the obvious question here is...
Message:
Kjarne, you write:

Elan Vital in Norway is not a church.

(1) Does that mean the financial affairs of Elan Vital in Norway are available for external inspection?

If so, please tell where we can check out the figures.

(2) And if you won't tell us more, give one good reason why you are unwilling to do so. EV wouldn't have anything to hide if they were a respectable charity, would they?

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:23:56 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Does the law states that EV members have
Message:
to be U.S citizens for their church status to hold, or could EV have members in other countries other than the U.S.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 10:36:31 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:
I think that the DLM days were more overtly cultish. Today, I think that EV is a cult in hiding. Just read their FAQ regarding what is a cult. Then, do an independent search on the internet regarding cults.

I also put in over 20 years. I do not share your opinion that many current members are truly fulfilled by their experience. I think they are just holding on because that is easier than having an honest discussion with themselves. It is most difficult to admit we have wasted so many years. It is easier to blame our effort than to blame the teacher who has failed much more than he has succeeded.

Your English is understandable. I enjoy this conversation in that we are not personnally insulting each other.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 13:59:02 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:
I do not share your opinion that many current members are truly fulfilled by their experience. I think they are just holding on because that is easier than having an honest discussion with themselves.

I know I certainly fit this bill. I wonder if Kjarne doesn't too. I find it so difficult to believe that some people get so much from this Knowledge and others so little. Are people that different? Maybe. But if this is the Knowledge of God, then it should work for everybody, right? That's what I was told, that this is Knowledge of God. Maybe Maharaji doesn't say that anymore, but that only makes him more suspect. Why stop calling it the Knowledge of God if, in fact, that's what it is. Smells fishy.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 16:33:36 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: That's his feet you'r smelling..
Message:
hee hee
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 11:46:18 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:

Thank you for your reply.

After 20 years, what have Maharaji done to you that made you leave the Knowledge and be so angry.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 13:53:48 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage/Do you mean
Message:
Rawat turned out to be a liar and thief and quite possibly is insane. You need to have an honest conversation with yourself. Ask yourself the tough questions. Then, look at your premie friends that you really know outside the satsang hall. Then look at Rawat and ask yourself if the power he seems to have might only exist because it has been granted to him by people who wanted to be taken care of. Then, do extensive research on the internet about cults in general.

That his promises were not fulfilled is not your fault. He has changed his promises many times. Do not let him victimize you any longer.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:30:57 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: I don`t see any alternatives to Knowledge!
Message:
I don`t agree with you that Maharaji or Rawat, as you call him, is a thief and a liar and possible is insane.

I like him a lot and enjoy listen to him. My premifriends are nice people and they seem to have more fun in there lives than some other friends I have.

I cannot see any alternative to Knowledge. I think Knowledge gives me more than beliving in some guy who lived 2000 years ago.

Thank you for the conversation. Nice meeting you.

By the way, I have read the conversations that you guys had with Bjørn from Norway. I know the guy and his stories are true. He is a good person.

Best regards from

Kjarne, Norway.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:28:25 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Beautiful Norway
Message:
Hi Kjarne. I've spent many months in your wonderful country. Stavanger, Sola, Trondhein, Oslo. Great hiking memories.

By the way, there are many alternatives to Knowledge. Believing in some guy who died 2000 years ago is not to my liking either, but there are many living meditation masters who actually know something about meditation. Contemporary teachers can be a big help to those who are on the spiritual path.

However, Maharaji is not one of these, in my opinion. If you look at his teachings objectively, I think you'll find he doesn't really say anything particularly insightful. He doesn't seem to have spent much time on the meditation cushion himself. Or if he has, he's keeping mighty quiet about it. All the good teachers I've had, spiritual and academic, knew what they were talking about. I'm afraid your guru (my ex-guru) doesn't know any more about meditation than the average kid who just read his first Deepak Chopra book.

If you are interested in alternatives to Knowledge, there are many. If you are a True Believer in Elan Vital/Maharaji, then your mind is closed.

Good luck on the spiritual path.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 21:41:30 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Beautiful Norway
Message:

Good luck to you too on the sprituell path, and you are most welcome to Norway again.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:47:51 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: I don`t see any alternatives to Knowledge!
Message:
How do your premie friends have fun, doing service?
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:44:14 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Bjorn alert!
Message:
By the way, I have read the conversations that you guys had with Bjørn from Norway. I know the guy and his stories are true. He is a good person.

Give me a break.

Do you ever give up, Bjorn?

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:54:01 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Bjorn alert!
Message:

I am NOT Bjorn. We are both from Norway, but not from the same city.

Why do you always think that new people who writes on this forum are lyers?.
Don`t see ghosts at daylight, Rob.

Kjarne from Norway NOT Bjørn!!!

Nice meeting you.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 23:00:20 (GMT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Bjorn alert!
Message:
If you are a new poeple on this forum how did you know he always thinks anything let alone that you are a liar? Does that gift give you the ability to see that which you have not seen?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 06:41:10 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Bjorn alert!
Message:

You hade Forum-archives, haven`t you?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 20:10:53 (GMT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Bjorn alert!
Message:
Please provide links to all the archives you read to come to your conclusion
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:33:51 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: This is Bjorn, Ben I'm convinced
Message:
Hey Bjorn, how about I send you an FC nessage in an open conference re your involvment here, would that embarrass you?
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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 03:49:52 (GMT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: This is Bjorn, Ben I'm convinced
Message:
What is an 'FC message'? what /where is an open conference -TIA
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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 07:21:47 (GMT)
From: It is a threat to out
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: given by someone anonymous
Message:
go figure
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:05:22 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kjarne
Subject: Well that's what he said
Message:
in his many manifestations. But then you should know that if you've been reading here for some time. Funny how you should choose to bring his name up though and offer a character reference.

Whatever, I could care less if you are he or not.
I'll leave that to the FA's to figure out with all their fancy geek software.

So just when did you start reading the forum, and what has prompted you to start posting now?

Oh, and nice 'meeting' you too, I'm sure.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:49:43 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Do you have Knowledge, Daneane? I find it
Message:
interesting that someone that has never been in the 'cult' and doesn't have the free gift of Knowledge that Maharaji is offering would be posting information on the satellite event in your area urging ex 'cult' members to notify the people in charge of renting the room so that they can be 'educated' about the after hours 'cult' activities. What's your story? Why don't you write a journey entry about how you almost became a cult member? I'm sure it would make entertaining reading. You sound like a real authority.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 15:49:05 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Oh Daneane's an authority alright
Message:
As usual, Shroom, you never scratch the surface. You never think. At least you never think well.

Daneane is indeed an authority. She's an authority on the modern process of indoctrination in the Maharaji cult. She can tell all of us things we'd otherwise only be guessing at. Like, for example, what's said and what isn't said and, what, in particular, is said when one asks this question or that. And what, then, is said when one questions why one was never told this or that. She can even tell us what's said when one confronts the cult members with the cult's past and the cult leader's earlier words and actions. Etc.

You don't deny that she can do all that, do you?

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 18:03:21 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: So what was the answer provided when she asked for
Message:
Knowledge? Or did she even ask? And I did read her journal, Jim. Hilarious. I guess you guys prevented another 'truth-seeker' from becoming a brain-washed 'cult' member, didn't you? Of course she can't call herself an 'ex' premie, can she? Maybe an 'ex' aspirant. Or maybe just a poor deluded fool who didn't have the courage to receive Knowledge and decide for herself if it was real or not. Jai Satchitanand, 'ex' premiji!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 00:03:14 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Deluded fool in utter ignorance,I relish it.(nt)
Message:
'Keep looking up'
-Greg Keelor
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 13:23:51 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Daneane's journey is here to read!!!!!
Message:
Daneane's journey in EV .....

Daneane's journey as an 'Aspirin'

What do you think ? Does she have any right to talk about her 'experience' or not?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:13:36 (GMT)
From: X
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Daneane's journey is here to read!!!!!
Message:
Yes I see that there is a list of 30 negative conclusions.
The shotgun approach.
Not particularly focused and rather uneventful.
The point is to uncover the positive, not get engulfed in a dust cloud brought about my random movement and whims.
The eye of the needle needes to be threaded through clear action, patience and worthy motivation.
If you make a mistake and get stuck, don't give up.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:03:13 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: X
Subject: Talk about focus, of all things!
Message:
X,

It's so funny reading your criticism of Daneane's post while yours follows the Chris Dickey school of half-baked sentences and faux-profundities.

But you talk about focus. Really!

Daneane zeroed in on some very specific questions with her cult programmers and they melted like soya spread. They made a few tepid attempts to re-steer her attention in a 'safe' direction but when those failed they bailed. She was too hot to handle, that Daneane.

You guys are moral weaklings.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:45:19 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: She wasn't too hot to handle, Jim. She was biased
Message:
by you guys. Where did she get all those questions from? Your website. If you all hadn't been here polluting her mind, she might be enjoying Knowledge now. I'm from that community in Orange County, Jim. I talked to one of the people who met with her and was bombarded by her questions. He gave up trying to deal with her after awhile because it was clear that she wasn't really interested in Knowledge. She was probably planted by you guys from the get-go. Now she's just another confused human being with voices in her head. Congratulations!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:18:22 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Awed by the presumptions
Message:
Why don't you guys battle on the real issues and leave me out of it. It seems to me the crux of the matter is about M. It is M's manner, M's deceptions, M's staged little sermons, that turned me off. M says you can always go back. Yet, given the attitude I see in you premies, you'd rather see me suffer in my inferior position to you and your great knowledge. I'm crushed that I can't even have the title of 'Ex'. Oh, where will I find my identity?

I think what really has you riled up and throwing condescending, uninformed judgments at me and about me, is that I never asked for knowledge. You cult guys never had the chance to turn me down.

Instead, I just had someone I considered a friend tell me to fuck off in a warm personable typed letter.

Oh the love. Oh THAT feeling.

Follow the links Jean-Michel provided. It's all there.

Take a look at his site. It's ALL there.

If you are opposed to that, as far as I can see, it proves its validity.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 06:10:11 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: It's already been established, Daneane, that
Message:
you have no credibility on this site. At least most of these people have received Knowledge. Why don't you go somewhere else where you know what you're talking about? There's another person on this site named Stonor who posts regularly who hasn't received Knowledge either. She calls herself a non-anything. Jim told her in a post below that since she hasn't received Knowledge, her opinion means nothing. I'd say that applies to you as well. Are you a 'non-anything' too?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 15:55:41 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: That's not what I said, Shroom
Message:
You're twisting my words, asshole.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 12:40:59 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: An anonymous premie talkin' credibility!! Yeah!nt
Message:
whoo hoo
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:14:39 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Yeah, non-anything! I'll remain anonymous rather
Message:
than have you post my real name, address and information so that you can urge the 'ex' 'cult' members to harrass me! No thanks, 'ex' person-who-never-received-or-asked-for-Knowledge-and-doesn't-know-what-it-is-or-what-the-hell-she's-talking-about!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 23:58:14 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Uh...
Message:
Why would they need your name and address to harass you when, you almighty being of great knowledge, choose to spend your time here making presumptuous, uninformed remarks about the people who post here?

Maybe you should inquire about becoming an instructor and learning to share knowledge in a positive way instead of slamming people who don't grovel for it.

Maybe you should try to enlighten poor delusioned me and show me the true benefits of knowledge and M. Your example so far has only shown that only with knowledge can I hang around some site opposed to it and post to them in a disrespectful manner while hiding behind an alias.

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 00:23:51 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: I'm not trying to enlighten anyone, sweetheart.
Message:
What do I care if anyone receives Knowledge or not? I have it. Whether anyone else gets it or not is not my concern. What I originally objected to was someone posting a message urging 'ex' premies to call the person in charge of the room-rental of the satellite event so that they could 'inform' them about after hours 'cult' activities. If people wish to do that, that's fine. But you never received Knowledge and that's why I said what I said. You don't know what it is yet you urge the 'ex' 'cult' members to call. That's what I call ignorance. The word ignorant comes from Latin and literally translated means 'to not know'. To urge others to disrupt an event so that people will be inconvenienced or prevented from hearing a message that is being offered without you ever receiving the offering is cowardly and ignorant. So don't call me a coward without first looking at yourself. Why do you care whether others hear about Knowledge or not? You never received it!
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 01:28:33 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Huh?
Message:
So, you called me cowardly, then you tell me not to call YOU a coward?

I don't recall urging anyone to do anything. It's not too hard to find the web-site for Fullerton Community Bank. The gist of my original post was about the size of the room. I guess you are not the only premie who doesn't care about sharing knowledge.

It makes me wonder though, if you are sooo happy with it, why you would spend your time here.

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:23:36 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: I spend some of my time here because someone
Message:
I gave an introductory video to wandered on to this site and was dissuaded from investigating further. Of course, if he had been a real truth-seeker, he would have checked further and asked for Knowledge to see if it was real and then decide for himself. Then if it was something that benefitted him, he could enjoy it. If it was simply a 'con' job, then he could put a full-page ad in the New York Times denouncing it. But at least he would have made an informed choice. Now he'll never know one way or another. Simply label it as a 'cult' and move on. Kind of like what you did. Oh well. But you might want to ask yourself, Daneane, if Knowledge is simply an illusion and Maharaji is simply a con artist, why did so many of these 'ex' premies 'waste' so much of their lives listening to him and practicing it? Were they all 'brainwashed'? For years? Some for decades? Just some food for thought. But I come here and express my opinion so that if someone else does come here that is sincerely seeking, they'll know that there are others with a different perspective about it, however imperfect the person is that is expressing it.
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Date: Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 03:28:46 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Shroom I'm a tad confused
Message:
But you might want to ask yourself, Daneane, if Knowledge is simply an illusion and Maharaji is simply a con artist, why did so many of these 'ex' premies 'waste' so much of their lives listening to him and practicing it? Were they all 'brainwashed'? For years? Some for decades? Just some food for thought.

Err shroom, have you read anything others have written here?
Do you realize that you're saying nothing that hasn't been discussed with miles more depth, or am I missing the subleties of some premie irony here??

So shroom do YOU believe that it's possible for anyone, other than a premie, to recognize the special wonders of 'that experience, or do you believe ity's all unique to mr 2 1/2?

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 16:16:58 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: I spend some of my time here because someone
Message:
You know that K doesn't 'work' if you do not become a devotee of lard!

Daneane can practice yoga if she wants: JM has the techniques on his site. Oh! But you believe that without the grace of the hamster they don't work, eh? And who put that idea in your head? Your hamster!

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 00:47:36 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: The 'Knowledge' you have is an illusion
Message:
Just to be clear, 'Knowledge' is a set of four meditation techniques. They include squeezing one's closed eyes while fingering the mythical third-eye spot, putting one's thumbs in one's ears and listening for the 'celestial harmony', sticking one's tongue back behind the thingamujigger and, finally, listening to the sound of one's breath.

Each of these techniques have been finessed this way and that over the 28 years I've been aware of the cult. Sometimes you press hard, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you listen to the right hand side, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you stick your tongue back and up behind the soft palate, sometimes you don't. And sometimes you actually listen to the sound of your breath, sometimes you just kind of feel it.

The names of these techniques have changed over time as well. As have the explanations of where they came from and how they work. (For a truly hilarious read, check out the pseudoscientific mubo jumbo about 'sine waves' and 'pineal glands' in the 1973 'official authorized biography' of the Hamster, Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?)

The techniques were actually picked from a grab bag of similar hindu parlour tricks by Shri Hans or some of his own PAM's in the sixties. That is, DLM used to actually teach more of these silly things.

The techniques do, at times, have a very limited ability to jam the airwaves of the world, so to speak, and thus create a sense of simplicity and isolation. This experience, coupled with a strong imagination which has been force-fed cult dogma and propaganda, can be over-emphasized without limit.

This is the 'Knowledge' you asked too many questions about, Daneane.

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:05:27 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: If it's such an illusion, Jim, then why did you
Message:
spend so many years of your life practicing it? Seems to me that if it was so 'illusory' you would have known right off the bat and moved on to something else. Now, after years of practicing Knowledge and listening and participating, you say it is an illusion. Am I missing something here? Methinks thou dost protest too much!
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 04:19:31 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: It was every bit as real as being 'born again' (nt
Message:
hhhhhhh
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:16:19 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Stay away from preachers then. Wouldn't want to
Message:
waste any more years of precious life on an 'illusion'. Right, Jim?
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 07:12:23 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: You got that right (nt)
Message:
kkkk
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 19:47:05 (GMT)
From: Michael
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Yeah, non-anything! I'll remain anonymous rather
Message:
You really don't get it, do you? You are the one with no credibility on this site (or anywhere, actually). You are the one who thinks you received a 'free gift' even though it comes with strings attached. You are the one who makes false accusations against people, you are the one with out a clue. You really ought to read your posts before you click the 'submit' button. And you really ought to realize that you are way out of your league here.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 21:12:03 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: Forgive me, Preacher, for I haved sinned.
Message:
Yeah, you're right, Preacher-boy. You're not in my league!
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 01:42:34 (GMT)
From: Michael
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Forgive me, Preacher, for I haved sinned.
Message:
I find it amusing that you continue to squeal 'Preacher Boy!' when ever you are in a corner. So, what do you do? Collect golf balls at the Driving Range? Did you lose your caddy job because you kept putting Visions, Int. videos in people's golf bags? Well, it doesn't really matter as long as you're enjoying listening to Maharaji and enjoying his free gift of knowledge. Did you know he's a pilot and never finished school?
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:30:41 (GMT)
From: Shrromananda
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: No, Preacher, I don't pick up balls at at driving
Message:
range. Actually, they have machines that do that now. I do love to play golf but I haven't been able to get out to a course for awhile. I did play 18 holes with Charanand a few years ago which I thoroughly enjoyed. Such a sweet and gentle man. And so devoted. I guess being a preacher is good work if you can get it but it never really appealed to me. I guess you have to be a special person to talk about God. Like Charanand. And Maharaji. Oh and of course you, apparently.
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 10:40:32 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Shrromananda
Subject: No, Preacher, I don't pick up balls at at driving
Message:
You may have seen a good side of Charanand but look how you worded: 'Such a sweet gentle man.' You don't think he is ALWAYS like that, do you? I know other side of him and is totally the opposite of sweet and gentle. He is just human, get it? Like everybody else. You should have wrote: He was such a sweet and gentle man WITH ME, because you imply HE IS that. You really think he is like that all the time? Just to point to your faulty thinking: Charanand can be naughty like everybody else. I witnessed it personally.
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:27:59 (GMT)
From: Michael
Email: None
To: Shrromananda
Subject: No, Preacher, I don't pick up balls at at driving
Message:
Well, I guess being a priest never appealed to you because it is a calling and not a job. It is a vocation and not a career. But you are probably just a little too self-absorbed for such ideas. Oh, and being a priest requires some education and critical thinking (well probably not enough critical thinking in the eyes of some here), not (I know this will shock you) the blind acceptance of dogma. But this is not important to you because you're too busy enjoying that free gift of knowledge. Did you know that he's a pilot?
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:44:40 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: Calling all preachers!
Message:
Ring! Ring!

Michael--

'Hello?'

God--

'Hi, Michael, this is God. How are you?'

Michael--

'Uh..I'm fine. Who is this really?'

God--

'I told you. This is God. Clean out your ears!'

Michael--

'If you're God then why did you ask how I am? You should already know that!'

God--

'I did know. I was just making conversation. Listen, I'm calling because I'm looking for someone to represent me on earth. You know. Interpret my will. Tell others how to establish my 'reign' on earth. Are you interested?'

Michael--

'Your rain on earth? Why would I need or even want to tell anybody about the rain? I don't want to be a weatherman. I'm looking for a vocation, not just a career.'

God--

'Not rain. My 'reign'. You know. R-E-I-G-N. Reign. On earth. You know, like a king reigns his kingdom.'

Michael--

'I don't want to be a king, O infinite one. I just want to be a critical thinker. You know, like Andy Rooney on 60 minutes. Or better yet like Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, like Rush. I'd like to have a bunch of ditto-heads. You know have everyone believe in my 'critical' thinking. Oh, and I'd like to make some money while I'm at it. I don't want as much as Rush. Just enough so that I can live in comfort and style. You know, so I don't have to live like a poor, celibate monk like when I followed that demon Maharaji all those years. And I want to be able to amass a substantial amount of money so that I can establish a trust fund for my children, if you bless me with children, O mighty one.'

God--

'Boy, do I ever have a job for you, my son. Er..I mean career for you. Uh, no, I mean vocation. Interested?'

Michael--

'Sure! What do I have to do?'

God--

'Just go to ministry school and study hard. And listen for my calls so that you can let others know what my will is. That's it.'

Michael--

'Sounds great! When do I get started?'

God--

'Whenever you want, my son. I've got all the time in the world!'

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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 14:02:32 (GMT)
From: Michael
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: ¡Ja ja ja! NT
Message:
Sheesh
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Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 07:13:30 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: You're living in a religious comic book (nt)
Message:
mmmm
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 14:38:11 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Khan, you are a Maiestro..
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:52:48 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Old hat
Message:
Shroom you are behind the times. In typical premie fashion, the knowledge is there and you missed it.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 18:09:49 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Oh I have Knowledge, Daneane. I stuck around
Message:
and received the gift. And 18 years later, I'm still enjoying it. Too bad you couldn't have received it. Then you might have some credibility. As it is, you missed the boat. You don't even know what it is. But I guess you know about the aspirant process. At least up until the Knowledge session. You missed the best part, sister!
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 19:38:30 (GMT)
From: just curious
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: I stuck around. I have knowledge...Oh really?
Message:
shroomie-tell me what the best part is, as I received the 'gift' 29 years ago:

a)m tells you to give your entire life to him, as he is the most powerful incarnation of god to ever walk the planet, although now he says he is just a teacher.Also,he now says please don't believe that old stuff from the 70's, even though he was the one saying it!

b)m tells you that you will go to hell if you don't believe in, and give your life entirely to 'guru maharaj ji'...(I'm assuming he is now taking back that one now as well)Explain please....especially how you will break that one to the new aspirants...

c)you are promised 4 techniques that lead to 'divine experiences', that will prove to you that m is the lord.Somehow no one I ever met ever experienced any of the 'divine experiences'.Now, m says that a sign that you 'got it', is that you will experience 'nothing'.That is now the benchmark to show you that have the experience...?

d)the public embarrassment, humiliation and possible loss of opportunities for you as you go out and promote your master and his knowledge...and then realize that many new people will come to EPO, realize that m is a fraud, and wonder why you never told them abut the 'other side of m'. Can you really make a strong case for following a 'master' who has a drinking problem and uses drugs, while publicly condemning them and promoting a meditation as the answer to find inner peace?Does he seem to have inner peace himself?And the greatest love is within?why the need for all the affairs and a full time mistress, supported by your donations.A brother with a coke problem?Hmmm....

e)explaining the treatment of the ashram residents to the public...another sign of his compassion...or his interest in his students(and they were supposedly the most devoted ones)?

f)How m has so many millions, with never working one day in his life for a wage? and new people are supposed to believe that by paying $15/video every week they will get enlightenment from watching m recite a bunch of platitudes and new age drivel and then sticking their thumbs in their ears,fingers in the eyeballs, breathing and swallowing their tongue?That's enlightenment?And m gets none of that money?

g)there are so many more points to make, but let's stop there for starters...
Now I know you will probably counter with:How about the experience?
How about it?
You can get it through any number of meditation and practices for free, or even practice the techniques by themselves, or go to m's brother and get them there as well ..(he's also god, by the way...not just a part timer like m, who was god in the 70's and early 80's, and now once and awhile in India and amaroo if the feeling strikes him)

Got any responses, shroomie?

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 20:55:54 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: just curious
Subject: Really! How long did you stick around?
Message:
Just curious said--

shroomie-tell me what the best part is, as I received the 'gift' 29 years ago:
a)m tells you to give your entire life to him, as he is the most powerful incarnation of god to ever walk the planet, although now he says he is just a teacher.Also,he now says please don't believe that old stuff from the 70's, even though he was the one saying it!

Shroom responds--

Well, there are a lot of people who did give their entire lives to him and still enjoy doing so. There were people who didn't give their entire lives to him. Some of them still enjoy listening to him and practicing Knowledge and some don't. Like you for instance. What's your point? Giving your entire life to him wasn't really a requirement to receive Knowledge either then or now. Back then there were some who thought he was an incarnation, some who didn't and some who didn't know. That hasn't changed. So what? Back then he claimed he wasn't God, just a humble servant of God and at other times he may have claimed to be divine. Didn't bother you back then, why does it bother you now? He's still claiming to be a Master and that the Knowledge puts you in touch with the infinite, immortal beauty within your heart. The proofs in the pudding. Either Knowledge works for you or it doesn't. It works for me. I still feel peace and stillness within me. Sometimes I even experience the Divine Light within me. And its not from pressing my optic nerve as some have suggested on this site. How about you? Ever see that light dancing within you when you still practiced?

Just curious says--

b)m tells you that you will go to hell if you don't believe in, and give your life entirely to 'guru maharaj ji'...(I'm assuming he is now taking back that one now as well)Explain please....especially how you will break that one to the new aspirants...

Shroom responds--

I never heard him say that, did you? But if he did say that you would go to hell, so what? People have told me to go to hell occasionally in my life but I never let that bother me. Sure doesn't affect my experience. And I did hear him say on May 31 of 1997 in Long Beach at an aspirant meeting that he wouldn't tell anyone that they would go to hell if they didn't receive Knowledge.

Just curious says--

c)you are promised 4 techniques that lead to 'divine experiences', that will prove to you that m is the lord.Somehow no one I ever met ever experienced any of the 'divine experiences'.Now, m says that a sign that you 'got it', is that you will experience 'nothing'.That is now the benchmark to show you that have the experience...?

Shroom responds--

If by 'divine experiences' you mean seeing that self-effulgent light within me, experiencing stillness and peace, hearing something within me when my mind is quiet and I'm focused within, and tasting that nectar, then yes I've had divine experiences. Sometimes I've had those divine experiences and sometimes I've felt nothing. What's your point? I've experienced both but I still enjoy listening to him and practicing Knowledge. Even when I experience 'nothing' I seem more peaceful after I practice.

Just curious says--

d)the public embarrassment, humiliation and possible loss of opportunities for you as you go out and promote your master and his knowledge...and then realize that many new people will come to EPO, realize that m is a fraud, and wonder why you never told them abut the 'other side of m'. Can you really make a strong case for following a 'master' who has a drinking problem and uses drugs, while publicly condemning them and promoting a meditation as the answer to find inner peace?Does he seem to have inner peace himself?And the greatest love is within?why the need for all the affairs and a full time mistress, supported by your donations.A brother with a coke problem?Hmmm....

Shroom responds--

I've never felt public embarrassment, humiliation and possible loss of opportunities telling others about Knowledge or Maharaji. Actually, it's simple now. Just give them a video or tell them where and when the next event is happening. I've never seen him drink or use drugs but I have used them so I can't really condemn anyone else, can I? And yes, he does seem to have inner peace to me but when I practice, he doesn't go with me inside. Knowledge works. It's that simple. I don't know about all his affairs or a mistress but when I donate, I give with no expectations. I'm simply trying to help him offer his Knowledge to others. I never saw Rajaji do coke, did you? I did see and hear him in Marina Del Rey earlier this year and I really enjoyed listening to him.

Just curious says--

e)explaining the treatment of the ashram residents to the public...another sign of his compassion...or his interest in his students(and they were supposedly the most devoted ones)?

Shroom responds--

When I was an aspirant, the ashram residents seemed pretty happy to me. They were well-fed and clothed and really seemed to like telling me how wonderful Maharaji and Knowledge were. Never heard or saw one who seemed mistreated. I don't know about his interest in his most devoted students. Why don't you ask them?

Just curious says--

f)How m has so many millions, with never working one day in his life for a wage? and new people are supposed to believe that by paying $15/video every week they will get enlightenment from watching m recite a bunch of platitudes and new age drivel and then sticking their thumbs in their ears,fingers in the eyeballs, breathing and swallowing their tongue?That's enlightenment?And m gets none of that money?

Shroom responds--

I don't know about his money. Frankly I don't care how much money he has. I buy videos and give him money because I love him and enjoy doing so. But I do know that he works his rear end off. Planning events, speaking at events, giving knowledge sessions, piloting himself to the events, making videos and numerous other tasks associated with making knowledge available to others and keeping it from being tainted by worldly people. No one has to give him a dime if they don't want to. A person can receive Knowledge, attend events and even borrow videos from community libraries without ever giving a cent. Many people do enjoy Knowledge. Just because some don't, he should stop giving it? If he charged for it, he should give back their money if they don't like it. But that doesn't happen because it's free!

Just curious says--

g)there are so many more points to make, but let's stop there for starters...
Now I know you will probably counter with:How about the experience?
How about it?
You can get it through any number of meditation and practices for free, or even practice the techniques by themselves, or go to m's brother and get them there as well ..(he's also god, by the way...not just a part timer like m, who was god in the 70's and early 80's, and now once and awhile in India and amaroo if the feeling strikes him)

Got any responses, shroomie?

Shroom responds--

I don't know about other teachers. Knowledge works for me. Why don't you go to the others and ask them? Do their students experience peace and see light within them? Is their Knowledge free? I don't know. I do know that Bal Bhagwan Ji used to sit at Maharaji's feet and call him the perfect master. They both received Knowledge at the same time from their father/Master. I really enjoy listening to Maharaji and practicing his Knowledge. Why would I need Sat Pal's Knowledge? I already have it. And I would love to go to India or Amaroo to pay my respects to Maharaji. God, teacher, flawed human being? I don't know and I don't really care. Knowledge works. I thank him for giving it to me. I just love him.

I hope that answers your questions. When did you stop practicing Knowledge and listening to Maharaji? Did you get nothing out of your experience? Or was it all negative? You must have gotten something out of it. Why did you stay? Because you believed that he was God? Because you wanted to establish peace on earth? To me, peace on earth has to start with me. I have to be peaceful before I can expect anyone else to be peaceful. Were you ever peaceful when you practiced or listened? Isn't that what it's really all about? Just curious...

Respectfully, Shroomananda


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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:58:29 (GMT)
From: just curious
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Really! How long did you stick around?
Message:
Shroomie-well, you've made my day, shroomster....appears that you have learned well from the school posted above in which one avoids all questions that might bring uncomfortable answers and respond with the time honored'I just love those divine experiences within' response.
But I have to admit, you answered in a way that was fairly reasonable in tone (not content,in my opinion), and ended up asking a few questions in a nice manner.
I don't have time for a detailed answer now, as I am leaving town for 3-4 days, but do promise you a response in a few days..
By the way,I received k 29 years ago,lived in the ashram, attended satsang every night for over 10 years, meditated for 2-4 hours /day for about 8 years,did ss&m faithfully and almost nothing else for 13 years,left no room for doubt,went to every festival,kissed the feet numerous times,been to his house 4 times, received gifts from him,and believed m when he said that he would bring peace to the world...
That went until 1999(28 years), when I woke up and realized how much of my life had been hijacked by the lard...
How is it now?
I am more myself that ever before.
I have more peace than ever before.
I allow myself to feel things and experience things that I never did before.
I see m as never before(and it's far more real than ever before).
With the drag from m removed, my life has suddenly blossomed like never before, on every level.
I am free from the personality cult,bogus belief system and dependence on m to give my life meaning,hope, peace,love, harmony,tranquility or any other quality worth living for or experiencing.
I am free to expresss to m thngs that premies cannot, such as:FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!,because I have no need to see him in any way other than that which he is, which is a con man in need of a good make-over...(actually he really needs to learn to tell the truth, but as I see little chance of that based on his first 30 years on the guru circuit,I will be more realistic and stick with the first assessment:a con man in need of a good make-over,which he doesn't seem to good at pulling off so far....)
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 17:35:30 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: just curious
Subject: ** Two great posts, jc**
Message:
.. this one and your previous post to Kjarne.

Do we know you by another name? 'just curious' is an unfortunate choice of alias, as it is one which Bjorn was using for a while.

(If you don't know, Bjorn was a Norwegian premie who used to post here. It might be interesting if he could turn up again and compare notes with Kjarne. Their styles have interesting similarities.)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 23:38:05 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: not 'kjarne', I meant 'shroom' in first line (nt)
Message:
asd
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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 03:26:26 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: just curious
Subject: was fairly reasonable in tone (not content,......
Message:
Just curious said--

....FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!....

Shroomananda replies--

....sigh....

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Date: Thurs, Aug 10, 2000 at 15:56:40 (GMT)
From: jc
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: was fairly reasonable in tone (not content,......
Message:
shroom-FU was directed at the lard, not you...
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:05:03 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Synchronized Service
Message:
The five people who we expect to show up at the Satellite Broadcast in the retirement home will all have service. We intend to take turns ushering each other and providing security for the satellite equipment. It's very synchronized.
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:49:31 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Synchronized Service
Message:
Hey Joe-your tongue in cheek post is not the far off the mark.I know a few communities where old friends tell me that it goes just about like you have described.
In one medium sized community about 5 or 6 p's put on programs 3 times/week, and they all provide services to each other-one mc, one video person, one for the lights,one for security,one 'new person' person etc...they all serve each other, 'waiting the word of the master'.
They're considering going to the local university or a retirement home(?)-imagine getting old handicapped folks on the $50/month sponsorship program?A great local media story there...
In DC,about 20 people come on sunday nites...remember when it was 100-200 every nite?Most people have drifted away, and some are at home in satellite cliques....
Oh well, it's all synchronized, they're having 'that'experience
and serving up a storm...
And Pauline looks like she's doing Ok as well...
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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 04:01:58 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Satellite Shrinkage
Message:
In my community the Satellite Broadcast is held in the recreation room of a retirement home in Denver. We expect at least 5, including the disabled mother of a premie who lives in the retirement home. I can't wait.

I have a friend in Oakland who says they are having the Satellite feed in a Fotomat after hours. Seats 3.

I'm so glad I have THAT understanding of THAT gift.

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Date: Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 05:32:15 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: Too funny!(nt)
Message:
ra ra
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