buzz -:- meditation -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 05:29:04 (GMT)

__ Hal -:- meditation -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 17:22:34 (GMT)

__ __ buzz -:- meditation -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 05:03:21 (GMT)

__ sam -:- meditation -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 05:39:20 (GMT)

__ __ Salam -:- meditation -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:02:43 (GMT)

Salam -:- The Turkish bath forum -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:23:40 (GMT)

__ SB -:- The Turkish bath forum -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:09:28 (GMT)

__ __ Salam -:- The Turkish bath forum -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 14:52:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ SB -:- The Turkish bath forum -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:24:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ Katie -:- Very good post, Salam -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:12:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Uh, katie, a point of order -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:57:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Yes, you get the credit! -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:01:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Dave's such a reactionary !!! -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:08:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- The trouble with YOU, Gerry... -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:16:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- The trouble with YOU, Gerry... -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:33:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- 'Jekyll and Hyde' personality-another bully trait. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:40:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Yeah, gerry, and what about this? -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:21:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Hang down your head, tom dooley, hang down your he -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:06:43 (GMT)

__ Bambi -:- The Turkish bath forum -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 12:17:03 (GMT)

__ __ Katie -:- The Turkish bath forum -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 14:38:42 (GMT)

__ __ Salam -:- YES HEAR YOU LOUD AN CLEAR..NT -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:30:26 (GMT)

Gregg -:- Let's Gossip about Jim or that Surivor Guy Rich... -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:08:31 (GMT)

__ Helen -:- Let's Gossip about Jim or that Surivor Guy Rich... -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 16:10:37 (GMT)

__ Marianne -:- Amen!!! nt -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:14:52 (GMT)

Stonor -:- Forum V makes premies look not so bad. Flame me! -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 23:16:42 (GMT)

__ sb -:- Yeah, right -:- Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 23:41:43 (GMT)

__ __ shp -:- cybervibes -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 19:17:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ Salam -:- cybervibes -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:26:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ shp -:- cybervibes -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:30:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Now now shpi: do not you -:- go being all mushy on me now -:- Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 01:16:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- shp's cybervibes -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 21:48:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ shp -:- Lotus Eater, you have a root stuck in your teeth -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:42:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Hal -:- SB is a real human being REAL not a fake -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:00:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- SB is a real human being REAL not a fake -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:05:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- That wasn't racist. Chihuahuas are very cute and -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 08:09:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:07:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:22:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB - It should have read: -:- Stonor is a human being - fake, NOT REAL (nt) -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:17:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 10:03:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 13:34:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ Hal -:- cybervibes -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 21:36:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ SB e proud -:- Thanks sheepy. I love chihuahuas. (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:36:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- My sister says I don't watch TV. -:- Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 18:38:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Fool of BS you are. Don't fool me (nt) -:- Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 03:33:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:53:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 13:44:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- YOU lose, lying once more -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:18:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Those who cannot face up to their own actions -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:41:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Good try (NT) -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:19:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Err correction shp -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:53:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Thank you. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:03:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Get under your blankey sheepy -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:03:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- lynch mob gerry rides again (nt) -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:44:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- How can one person constitute a 'lynch mob?' -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:07:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- How can one person constitute a 'lynch mob?' -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:25:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Racism is an ugly thing -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:40:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:01:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ shp -:- to sb -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:47:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- QUOTE 'all ex-premies are not trustworthy.' -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 15:11:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- SYNTAX ERROR - THANK YOU FOR NOTICING. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 15:34:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- REALITY ERROR - -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 16:06:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- reply to cq -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 16:30:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- You are a rep for gm whether you like it or not -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:32:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Well stated hamzen. (nt) -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:36:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- You were 'crossed off' long a go, racist! -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:08:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ shp -:- cybervibes -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:15:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Reply to ship. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 10:19:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Reply to Hal -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 14:04:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Reply to Hal -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:09:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Premies ARE accomplices, shp -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:18:04 (GMT)

__ __ Stonor -:- I'm sorry sb -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 00:00:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ sam -:- best foots? -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 02:11:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- You are right, sam, I don't make it clear here ... -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 03:14:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- You are right, sam, I don't make it clear here ... -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:21:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Skippy -:- Stay -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 06:34:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- All it needs for evil to prosper is for people ... -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:25:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Racist. Chuhuahua dooo dooo, eh? Yuck! (nt) -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:29:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Una carta del una hermana, para SB. -:- Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 01:53:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Una carta del una hermana, para SB. -:- Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 02:38:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Que sera, sera. Y gracias para contestar. -:- Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 03:45:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Que sera, sera. Y gracias para contestar. -:- Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 04:52:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Sniff? That made me LOL! - but ... -:- Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 05:35:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- And King also said. 'It's not the roar of my -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 19:25:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Maybe Dr. King was thinking about Jesse Jackson... -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:21:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- And King also said. 'It's not the roar of my -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:18:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Saint Stonor -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:41:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- I thought that title was reserved for Katie? -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:18:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- You completely glossed over the point -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:56:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- IT'S PERSPECTIVE NOT PROSPECTIVE, YOU GUYS! (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 19:28:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Hi shp! -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:13:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- PS: Hi shp! -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:33:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- What's that? -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:24:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- What's that? -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:32:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- What's THAT? -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:21:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- I don't think so. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:04:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Thanks -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:05:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Thanks -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:18:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- neither -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:15:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- neither -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:30:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- my Friday night -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:41:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- my Friday night -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:48:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- PS: my Friday night -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:07:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- PS: my Friday night -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:16:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- 'course it was racist . -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:01:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- BTW, Hal (ot) -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:47:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- 'course it was racist . -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:17:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- it WAS racist -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:57:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- it WAS racist...in your dreams -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 14:35:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- what we have heere is a friend who -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:32:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- you ass-u-me bullshit is true about all premies -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:57:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Today baby, talk of today. Please. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:38:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- what are you talking about -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:09:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- what we have heere is a friend who -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:18:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- ditto for you SB -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:47:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- It racist in SOME people's opinions. -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 12:08:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- PS: my Friday night -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:20:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Too confronting: I'll take your mask off -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:34:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- PS: my Friday night -:- Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:27:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Hi Skippy -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 14:34:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ sam -:- thanks Stoner...nt -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 05:04:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ sb -:- I'm sorry sb -:- Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 00:05:17 (GMT)

Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 05:29:04 (GMT) From: buzz Email: None To: Everyone Subject: meditation Message:

there must be a lot of posters here who are still into meditation of whatever sort,is there a place on the web where we could discuss meditation in more detail,without the distractions of other issues,the subject is so large and people could discuss there experiences problems ideas whatever regarding anything to do with meditation,if anyone knows of any such sites would they please let me know thanks

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 17:22:34 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: buzz Subject: meditation Message:

Hey Buzz, I don't think you are a recent ex are you? However there is a forum called recent exes which accepts people who want to discuss the issues you're interested in. It is a private forum and to apply you email recentexes@yahoo.com and the forum admin. will get back to you. Cheers Hal

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 05:03:21 (GMT) From: buzz Email: None To: Hal Subject: meditation Message:

thanks hal i'll check that out.no i'm not a recent ex. cheers

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 05:39:20 (GMT) From: sam Email: - To: buzz Subject: meditation Message:

good idea- funny..one minute before I saw this I just posted Skippy(who still wants to meditate) and told him about the great info you and Happy gave me about the history of the techs...however I dont know of such a site ,sorry-hope you come up with something

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:02:43 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: sam Subject: meditation Message:

Try these Newsgroups: alt.meditation,alt.answers,news.answers

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:23:40 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The Turkish bath forum Message:

That's how Bambis' thread sounded like. Maybe someone sould start a forum where angry paricipants can enter, scream their head out at someone and come out. Sort of like mud restling. All we need is a link on top of the page for a quickie in and out, that will solve many problems. I think everyone will feel much better and the quality of FV will not deteriorate as such. Sorry people, but sometimes you sound like ducks trotting in mud looking for live worms. I belive FA is the conductor and as such he has the right for a standard. We could complain about Censorship, but most likely the majority of the participant here visit anything goes, and there should goes your go if you want to have a go. p.s. there is nothing personal about this post to anybody.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:09:28 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Salam Subject: The Turkish bath forum Message:

Isn't this forum about everything about Lard and his ex-followers and followers? Don't you agree that it would be difficult to determine what belong here or someplace else? Because communication after all is about personal interpretations about what is being read.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 14:52:33 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: SB Subject: The Turkish bath forum Message:

SB, Ofcorse this forum is as you say, about maharaji and his world; otherwise it won’t be here. You are also right, it is difficult to determine what belongs here and what not, but it is not impossible. You see, as ex-premies, or for anyone that came close to maharaji and feels like contributing to the forum, we all have something to say about our experiences as premies, how we got away and what we believe is the best way to deal with maharaji. I do not see any reason for being in the forum for having other intentions. If someone thinks that he/she has been mistreated by a person, then that person should bring it up to the other party attention and ask him to explain immediately or just forget about it, and not drag it around. As much as I like posting. I also like to read something relevant to what I am looking for. But then maybe I am asking too much. Perhaps this is like a domestic dispute and it will just go away.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:24:54 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Salam Subject: The Turkish bath forum Message:

I'm sorry for anything I do that may bugg others. I'm just being myself, like everybody else is. I'll continue growing now that I'm free. The best is yet to come. Thank you. I'm sure that if somebody wants to stay around to help themeselves, nothing will stop them, even the strong remarks of a person defending her rights. I wonder why I feel so deffensive? LOL. Love to you, SB

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:12:01 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Salam Subject: Very good post, Salam Message:

Hi Salam - You wrote: Ofcorse this forum is as you say, about maharaji and his world; otherwise it won’t be here. You are also right, it is difficult to determine what belongs here and what not, but it is not impossible. You see, as ex-premies, or for anyone that came close to maharaji and feels like contributing to the forum, we all have something to say about our experiences as premies, how we got away and what we believe is the best way to deal with maharaji. If someone thinks that he/she has been mistreated by a person, then that person should bring it up to the other party attention and ask him to explain immediately or just forget about it, and not drag it around. As much as I like posting. I also like to read something relevant to what I am looking for. But then maybe I am asking too much. Perhaps this is like a domestic dispute and it will just go away. Very well said - and very diplomatically said, as well. When I was the FA, we got several complaints from new forum participants who were trying to read the archives that it was difficult to find any material that was specifically about Maharaji and his organization. (We have a lot of fights between ex-premies, off-topic threads, and other stuff in the archives - sometimes the information about Maharaji gets buried.) I think there will always be interpersonal problems between people on the forum. The problem is that MOST people think that threads concerning these interpersonal problems are boring and irrelevant, and that they distract from the discussions about Maharaji, life after Maharaji, etc. I confess to having participated in these threads too - it is hard not to do so when you feel personally attacked. But basically, most people don't want to read them - and most people are not interested in taking sides in interpersonal disputes. Re the Turkish Bath forum - Sir David started 'Anything Goes' to be this kind of forum - among other things. (Thanks, as always, to Sir David for this, by the way.) Take care, Katie

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:57:07 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Katie Subject: Uh, katie, a point of order Message:

Sir David started 'Anything Goes' to be this kind of forum - among other things. (Thanks, as always, to Sir David for this, by the way.) Actually AG is the successor to Magical Mystery Tour which I started for off topic and off-beat subjects. Dave kindly stepped in and paid for the site. It's obviously his now, but let's not forget its true etiology...

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:01:35 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: gerry Subject: Yes, you get the credit! Message:

I remember it well - do you remember that MMT was supposed to be a 'flame-free' forum? But Sir David DID actually 'start' the current Anything Goes - although it is on the same site - and AG did allow flaming, threats, etc.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:08:44 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Katie Subject: Dave's such a reactionary !!! Message:

Oh yeah, it was supposed to be Flame Free. That's back when I was a sensitive, feeling kinda nice guy. Before Jim and Jerry corrupted me. And Oh Woe unto you, stonor, for therily thou seeth the darkness which awaits anyone (like you) who persists in this cesspool of despair...

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:16:21 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: gerry Subject: The trouble with YOU, Gerry... Message:

(knew that would get you to read this!) ...is that you ARE a sensitive, feeling kinda nice guy AND also one of the most unpredictable and intense flamers on this forum. Everytime I open one of your posts, I do it with trepidation because I don't know which Gerry is gonna be posting that minute!

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:33:01 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Katie Subject: The trouble with YOU, Gerry... Message:

is that you are 'prickly as a hedgehog and cuddly as a bear', or was that someone else.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:40:16 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: anyone Subject: 'Jekyll and Hyde' personality-another bully trait. Message:

While we're on the topic and popularity is soaring. And people don't get 'toughened up' by abuse, they get broken down. Statement of fact.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:21:27 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Salam Subject: Yeah, gerry, and what about this? Message:

This is what!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:06:43 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Hang down your head, tom dooley, hang down your he Message:

I don't know nothin' bout no 'altered images...'

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 12:17:03 (GMT) From: Bambi Email: None To: Salam Subject: The Turkish bath forum Message:

We have been nice folks and letting M take advantage of our silence. Don't you think it is about time we act a little and stop being polite with the abuser. I do and won't let no FA try to quiet me for the benifit of the cult. Am I clear?

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 14:38:42 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Bambi Subject: The Turkish bath forum Message:

Hi Bambi - I have NEVER seen the FA delete posts that were derogatory about Maharaji - unless these posts contained violent threats, which are strictly forbidden - for good reason. I also haven't read any posts of yours that were directly criticizing Maharaji - you have posted negative things about the FA, about Jim Heller, about what ex-premies have said on this forum, but that's it. If you have something to say about Maharaji or his organization, then say it - you won't be silenced. If your purpose in being here is to criticize the other people who post here, or the forum itself, then I question your motivation. Sincerely, Katie

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:30:26 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Bambi Subject: YES HEAR YOU LOUD AN CLEAR..NT Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:08:31 (GMT) From: Gregg Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Let's Gossip about Jim or that Surivor Guy Rich... Message:

How come philosophical posts, tentatively questioning posts, whimsical posts and sincere posts get only a few replies; while ad hominen attacks like the one below about Jim get dozens of responses? Yeah, I guess it has to do with human nature and the nature of the Internet, but, still...think about who this Forum is for. (Us, and...others.) And what it's for. I love dissent...to see people who once sang the praises of the Living Lord argue about whether the transcendental is real or phantasmagorical is good entertainment. And enlightening. But this bitchy backbiting...Jesus.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 16:10:37 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Gregg Subject: Let's Gossip about Jim or that Surivor Guy Rich... Message:

I agree Gregg, you have a good point ...and the Survivor analogy...good one!

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:14:52 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Gregg Subject: Amen!!! nt Message:

xxxx

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Date: Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 23:16:42 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Forum V makes premies look not so bad. Flame me! Message:

As I've said before, when I first came here I didn't know who was crazier: the premies or the exes. I am against m and anyone else who tries and/or succeeds to manipulate another human being for their own ends. 'Bullying' is another name for it, and there are plenty of exes and premies who are bullies, just like there are in the rest of the population. The documentation available at EPO is enough to make it clear to anyone who is not completely brainwashed that there is something very wrong with the guru m 'trip'. But trying to discuss their concerns at this forum might make some premies wonder if premiedom might not be better than the apparent option of ex-premiedom, as modeled by many posting here. I don't like seeing ANYONE bullied, in ANY context, by ANYONE. I know that there are so many that have complained about the degree of flaming here that 'recentexes' was started. It saddens me to know that no one outside of that private forum will see what these people have chosen not to write at FV because of the constant threat of verbal abuse. Some might call it 'survival of the fittest'. I call it 'survival of the bullies', who have succeeded in silencing those with differing opinions in the name of 'God-knows-what-excuse-they-make-for-it', but they call it 'freedom of speech'.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 24, 2000 at 23:41:43 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Yeah, right Message:

Some of you come here because you don't have nothing better to do. Some others are premies who mask themselves as having questions, but at the end, before they dissappear, is clear they were only trying to disrupt the forum. I don't believe by now that you ARE NOT a premie. You may as well be one. I too happen to be sick and tired of people like you complaining and complaining when you do your share also bothering people, pushing buttons, gossiping, and following people's arguments around. And you claim to be neither a premie or an ex-premie. Acting like a child is not going to erase the truth: We are adults. Crying foul is not going to erase the fatc that the abuse that some us ex-premies are subjected to is not funny either. You defended Elaine, even understanding that she wrote my real name? Why? Because you are not a truly fair person but one that like to plays with words, forgetting that you are talking to people, not a screen. Honesty only is applied to your convinience, eh? I'm not saying that it wouldn't be great if rough times didn't happen at all, but look at the 'elements' we get here. Look at the intentions some of the posters have? Dirty. These people I'm referring to are premies who cannot care less about ex-premies pain and struggles to change; they DO NOT acknowledge that, and their words are all over the archives, all over the forum to prove it. I take this post of yours as an attempt to gossip some more and to disrupt the real discussion which happen to be Guru Maharaj Ji, presently known as Maharaji and how phoney his devotees are. After this post and what I read in Paradise (which you haven't had the guts to post here) I believe there is a very strong possibility that you are a premie. You know where the door is. Don't let you hit your butt in the way out.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 19:17:41 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: sb Subject: cybervibes Message:

sb, your vibe is like a very self-righteous barky little chihuahua. it's really cool how the vibes of our personalities transcend the words and even the technology. now you will probably bark something nasty and meanspirited to me just because I honestly said how something felt to me that does not reflect well on you. what is your problem with living and letting live? do you hassle other epole or just premies? i imagine you are a general pain in the ass wherever you go. so i can delete or submit...i think i'll submit this one. you need to hear this. somebody needs to tell you this and i just happened to be passing by...have a great weekend and may yet another piece of your ego rest in peace. shp

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:26:18 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: shp Subject: cybervibes Message:

Who the hell do you think you are posting to sb like that. The little that I know of sb is, what's in her mouth is in her head. I have not seen her saying something and doing something else. You know for sure that she is from a Spanish background, so do not be bullshiting about not knowing. Also stop playing being victimised, it does not cash up. If sb does not want her real name known that is here right, just as much as you do not want your name be known. Please stop pretending being more intelllegent than what you are, it makes you sound stupid. I have not read much of your post lately, because like Lotus said , premie post seem to drag on for ever about a slimy fat greasy con merchant someone that knows it all. When you are going to clear all the cobweds out of your head and start being a person that is what I want to know? Or have you and that other half wit shroom vowed to see how far can you take this. If that is what your plan is, you deserve what you get and I will add my cybervibes to sb to kick the crapp out of you. Enjoy your dream while you can.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:30:00 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Salam Subject: cybervibes Message:

Salam, Your entire post was so inaccurate that I did not even bother to copy it and reply to each allegation, as is my normal custom. By the way, my name is Sanford Pass and that has been common knowledge here for over a year. Whatever is happening or has happened to each of us with Maharaji is no excuse for those of us here assembled to be meanspirited to each other. Can you understand that simple point? shp

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Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 01:16:01 (GMT) From: Now now shpi: do not you Email: None To: shp Subject: go being all mushy on me now Message:

this is a forum of blockheads, you have the right as much as anyone else to post here and say what you want. you also have the right for an answer. As I said to shroom the broom, talking to you does not mean we are going to have showers together. I suggest next time you want to post something that can be classified as rasiest you think twice about it. Just as an exception this time shpi, that is life, it is like a cucumber, one day iit's in your hand, 9 days up your you know where. Take it easy, life is about living and being who you are, not fighting a tidal wave of blockheads. cheers Take care Salam the woss

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 21:48:12 (GMT) From: Lotus Eater Email: None To: shp Subject: shp's cybervibes Message:

Chihuahua???? that is incredibly insulting. Speaking for myself, the 'vibe' I get from SB is of a generous warmhearted woman (for whom english is a second language) who speaks her mind with strength and sincerity. I have not read a lot of your posts because I found them long and repetitive, but do not have a clear 'vibe' from what I have read, perhaps you are not clear about how you really do think and feel.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:42:00 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Lotus Eater Subject: Lotus Eater, you have a root stuck in your teeth Message:

My comments were not sexist or racist or nationalistic. All that baggage is yours. My comments were inspired by sb's insulting attitude to begin with. Why don't you deal with that? From what you have said, sb needs no defense from you. This is as far down this alley I choose to be lured.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:00:58 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Lotus Eater Subject: SB is a real human being REAL not a fake Message:

goody goody type like some who criticise her. SB more power to you and thanks for your passion and courage . YEAH!!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:05:59 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Hal Subject: SB is a real human being REAL not a fake Message:

No need to comment. Their tactic is good, maybe if I was a premie posting I would do the same. Sometimes is effective: It draws a lot of attention and it makes the opposition feel bad... NOT! In my opinion premies think we ex-premies suck anyway, so, why what we say would be taken differently. More power to them to divulgue their ignorance. Chihuahua my ass. Ugly racist. And if I wasn't going to comeback here he would hear some other good ones too. LOL Yes:I like people. Some more than others, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Don't give me a strong reason to dislike you because I'm not nice anymore, especially if you continue bugging me. It must be that I have a need right now to be sincere, and to express certain feeling that I couldn't allow myself to have while I was a cult memebr of MAHARAJI'S ORGANIZATION, and one is anger. Everybody expresses anger, but oh us, poor souls, they want to shut our mouths, they want to censure us. We CANNOT do that here. LOL. Shit! That 'hitlerism' is bad but this other one is good. No win situation IMO. Did shp post sounded racist or it is just me?

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 08:09:41 (GMT) From: Shroomananda Email: None To: SB Subject: That wasn't racist. Chihuahuas are very cute and Message:

cuddly. My friend had 3 of them. A mother and two sons. The pups were named Max and Gizmo. I loved to play with them. Gizmo was so cute. He looked like a little rat. I forget what the mother's name was. She got run over by a car so her sons are orphans now. They're still cute but I think they're a little sad. Oh well, that's life.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:07:22 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: SB Subject: Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake Message:

It's just you. I never thought of the connection. I was LOL when I had the image of a little yapping dog at my heels everywhere I post! That's exactly what it felt like everytime I've read what you've posted to me lately. And of course, you mimicked Gerry when he posted all the 'Fuck you Jim Heller' everytime Jim posted. Funny, I don't remember you getting all soft-eyed and worried about poor gentle Jim then! LOL!!! And of course, monkey see, monkey do, so you did it to Elaine, and then me. And funny because like a little chihuahua your yapping is nonsense to me (and no doubt others as well). And chihuahuas only shit and piss on newspaper, they don't read them. Sorry SB, you're not nearly as funny as you used to be. Now, should I post this or not? What the hell, it's sort of how I feel about it, I'm still laughing at the image of that chihua hua yapping at my posts, I've been taking your shit for weeks now, and I'm not a premie (which would be funny if you weren't so pathetically paranoid), AND 'IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT!!' Wish you could hear the way the 'Friday Night Girls' on Codco would say that. I have it on video I think . . . not the one where they order the blow-up Elvis, but the one where they go to a bar and pick up two RCMP officers .... ROFL!!! (How DO you get those upside down exclamation marks?!) Happy weekend SB!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:22:27 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake Message:

I don't come to entertain you, idiot!!As you have said too Jim, your slip is showing and BAD!!! You don't fool many. Rattle.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:17:23 (GMT) From: SB - It should have read: Email: None To: SB Subject: Stonor is a human being - fake, NOT REAL (nt) Message:

nt :)))))

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 10:03:04 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake Message:

Well done Stonor, I think it's important to express exactly how one feels and thinks. There are some conflicts here but I find it refreshing that people can shout it out sometimes if they want to. As SB said , we weren't able to really say what our real experience was in the controlled environment of premie world. Have a good one Hal

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 13:34:00 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Hal Subject: Stonor is a real human being - REAL not a fake Message:

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt for quite a long time, especially as in this case I understand that leaving a cult can be quite traumatic for some, but at a certain point, to ignore the obvious inappropriateness of some people's statements and style is, to me, nothing but enabling. Unfortunately, it seems that many here enjoy the 'amusement' of 'fights', and like to encourage them and join in Guess they have nothing better to do.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 21:36:42 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: shp Subject: cybervibes Message:

I agree with the live and let live philosophy. So why don't premies get on with happy clapping and worshipping his fat rotundity whilst we get on with trying to understand how we were so taken in by false promises ? There is an obvious paradox in premies coming here telling us to live and let live , don't you think ? How are we folks here stopping you guys living your fantasy of being lovers of the so called Master of this age ? Just exercise your will power premies and tear yourselves away from this forum you seemingly despise ( I actually suspect a morbid fascination exists , no? ) Yeah go live your illusions that you have some special nollige that only Goom Rodgie can give.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:36:44 (GMT) From: SB e proud Email: None To: Hal Subject: Thanks sheepy. I love chihuahuas. (nt) Message:

Nt

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Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 18:38:25 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: SB e proud Subject: My sister says I don't watch TV. Message:

She just told me there's been an ad on TV for Taco Bell featuring a chihuahua. I don't tend to think of dogs in terms of nationality, but if I'd seen that ad I might better have understood what was happening here. Again, my apologies for any misunderstandings - I honestly never made the connection, as I've said.

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Date: Tues, Aug 29, 2000 at 03:33:07 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Fool of BS you are. Don't fool me (nt) Message:

Plant!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:53:56 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: shp Subject: Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her Message:

a monkey? So calling her a hairless little yapping Mexican dog is OK? It is not OK. It is the same thing. You made a racist remark. Be man enough to admit it and apologize.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 13:44:52 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: gerry Subject: Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her Message:

gerry said: Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her a monkey? So calling her a hairless little yapping Mexican dog is OK? It is not OK. It is the same thing. You made a racist remark. Be man enough to admit it and apologize. shp says: 1) I had no idea what race, gender or nationality sb was when I made the post. Therefore how could I be discriminatory? 2) Not all chihuahuas are hairless. I should call the SPCA (society for the prevention of cruelty to animals) on you for assuming that all chihuahuas are hairless, you bigoted scum! 3) You are a bonafide asshole for even implying such a thing as racism happened. What you are creating here is called a 'red herring', a side issue from what was originally being said to divert attention from the conversation to something you think can gain advantage from. gerry, I never thought you would stoop to such a level, thought you were made out of better stuff than that. 3) No admissions, no apologies, no racism. Tilt. You lose.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:18:19 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: shp Subject: YOU lose, lying once more Message:

There is no way you are getting away with that lie of you not knowing my nationality. You know it. People have talked about english being my second language and more. You were around when a feud with a premie named zen got started when he attacked the spanish forum and me personally, right? Huge capital letters that would have attracted anybody's attention. Coward? You cannot even admit your own mistakes. You chose to put others down to cover your ass. Typical cult mentality. Your remark was disgusting not because it offended me, it didn't, but in itself was a poor degrading tactic. Cultures differ on their customes, but all humans are moved by the exact same needs. You are in a bad spot, much more than what I ever saw. This is one more example of the poor mental condition you cult members have. Get a grip. Get honest with yourself. Is not bad at all to walk away. Tust me on this. Help yourself. You badly need it!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:41:04 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: SB Subject: Those who cannot face up to their own actions Message:

SB, If you were from eastern Europe or Alaska or Africa or MARS and sounded like you sound, you'd still sound like a chihuahua to me. And I don't care what you believe, I had no idea where you are from. I don't follow this Forum as closely as you may think. So if you are calling me a racist, better throw in liar too, because I am here to tell you that it's got nothing to do with where you are from, it's got to do with THE WAY YOU COMMUNICATE. Face it, kiddo. Quit hiding behind your own lie of believing there was racsim involved. You sound like a little barky dog ALOT when you post! Stonor knows what I meant and he's an ex-premie. Maybe he can explain it to you better, or is he a racist too? On second thought, believe whatever you wish. I could really give a shit.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:19:19 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: shp Subject: Good try (NT) Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:53:45 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: shp Subject: Err correction shp Message:

Actually 2 . Stonor is a she and not an expremie .

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:03:45 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Hal Subject: Thank you. Message:

Thank you. I don't really pay any attention to gender, race, creed or nationality when I post. It's a one-on-one-thing in an open setting, seemingly surrounded by magpies just looking for a thread of something to pull on and create some shit with. Having said that, some will catch my drift and others will find out where magpies are from and drum up another bogus accusation of racism. Sounds silly, but so does that original one. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so is the ugliness.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:03:05 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: shp Subject: Get under your blankey sheepy Message:

Sure you knew SB was Latina. You've known it for a long time. That's why you chose 'chihuahua' as the point of departure for your mean spirited, bigoted remarks. Oh and what was the topic of conversation for which I was creating the 'red herring?' Don't forget, jerk-off, this is what YOU wrote to SB: sb, your vibe is like a very self-righteous barky little chihuahua. it's really cool how the vibes of our personalities transcend the words and even the technology. now you will probably bark something nasty and meanspirited to me just because I honestly said how something felt to me that does not reflect well on you. what is your problem with living and letting live? do you hassle other epole or just premies? i imagine you are a general pain in the ass wherever you go. so i can delete or submit...i think i'll submit this one. you need to hear this. somebody needs to tell you this and i just happened to be passing by...have a great weekend and may yet another piece of your ego rest in peace. shp Now what kind of fucking 'cybervibes' where you trying to create with this racist, mean spirited and baseless bullshit? You're a phony, a class one hypocrite, new age bubblebrain RACIST

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:44:46 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: gerry Subject: lynch mob gerry rides again (nt) Message:

dumbass ritz in kaps + thinks that makz itt tru.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:07:59 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: shp Subject: How can one person constitute a 'lynch mob?' Message:

And you call me stupid? Those were more than just 'caps' there Einstein. Look Sandy, I know you really don't see yourself as a racist. But that sneaky white superiority slips out at the most embarrassing times. Hell, I'm susceptible to it also. It doesn't mean you are a bad person. But please don't gloss over it. Embrace it as your shadow side. It's you, too.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:25:58 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: gerry Subject: How can one person constitute a 'lynch mob?' Message:

If you have the rope and use it. gerry, just because you have some shit in you, don't assume it's true for me. You can work through this on your own.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:40:36 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: shp Subject: Racism is an ugly thing Message:

The person to whom you directed your remark felt it was racist. The polite, brave and correct thing is to apologize and move on. So you are saying there is no residue of racism within inside you huh? How in the world did you escape that one in a society that once held other human beings as slaves and continues to this day to be both overtly and subtly racist. You're a better man than I am, I guess. Or ???

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:01:45 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: gerry Subject: Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her Message:

They only make mistakes. They are not being mean and racist. Wrong dog. LOL. Thanks. I thought that it was just my perception.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:47:23 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: SB Subject: to sb Message:

Oh for Christ's sake, sb, that took you long enough to figure out how to hiss at me and still act like it didn't phase you. Nice try. Vibes don't lie. Who hurt you? And I don't mean Maharaji. You wear your pain like a cape. Chill out. I am not here to hurt you. All premies are not untrustworthy and all ex-premies are not trustworthy.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 15:11:13 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: shp Subject: QUOTE 'all ex-premies are not trustworthy.' Message:

or did you mean to imply that: 'not all ex-premies are trustworthy'?

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 15:34:42 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: cq Subject: SYNTAX ERROR - THANK YOU FOR NOTICING. Message:

QUOTE 'all ex-premies are not trustworthy.' Message: or did you mean to imply that: 'not all ex-premies are trustworthy'? cq: Thanks for noticing the snytax error. I will be more careful. I think you caught the drift though, and that is: Not all ex-premies are trustworthy and not all premies are untrustworthy. I sent the original message to an ex-premie just to remind us of that. Trustworthy with what, you may ask? Trustworthy with the vibe, trustworthy in terms of sincerity or having an honorable motive for their messages. Trustworthy that if something true is said it will be acknowledged and not slapped aside because somebody from the opposing camp said it. shp

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 16:06:15 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: shp Subject: REALITY ERROR - Message:

'Trustworthy that if something true is said it will be acknowledged and not slapped aside because somebody from the opposing camp said it.' And how many more times will the likes of Mili (a premie) accuse ex-premie.org of lying? And be in no doubt that he always does so WITHOUT telling anyone where on the site the so-called lies are supposed to be. How many more times will he (a premie - posting here AGAINST his 'master's' wishes) simply ignore our requests to point out where these 'lies' are?

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 16:30:07 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: cq Subject: reply to cq Message:

'Trustworthy that if something true is said it will be acknowledged and not slapped aside because somebody from the opposing camp said it.' -shp And how many more times will the likes of Mili (a premie) accuse ex-premie.org of lying? -cq That is a question for cq. One person, one karma. -shp And be in no doubt that he always does so WITHOUT telling anyone where on the site the so-called lies are supposed to be. -cq Once again, may I refer you to Mili, if that is who your beef is with. Once each person takes responsibility for his or her own personal words and actions and stops hiding behind any group - premie or ex - we will have all grown up and evolved into more mature beings with an enhanced ability to communicate even if we see things differently. -shp How many more times will he (a premie - posting here AGAINST his 'master's' wishes) simply ignore our requests to point out where these 'lies' are? -cq Gotta take it up with the person who done it. -shp I don't expect you to take on the karma of any other ex-premie, do I? Please don't ask me to take on Mili's. That's only fair. -shp

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:32:56 (GMT) From: hamzen Email: None To: shp Subject: You are a rep for gm whether you like it or not Message:

This isn't just a chat site shp, peoples anger here is with gm and everything he represents, and to be unaware that you are inciting the pain they came here to get away from shp is naive in the extreme, and quite insulting. So where's your, in your eyes, compassion when it comes to that. What comes over, even from you, is that gm's rep is more important than the feelings of the people here, surely you can understand that.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:36:47 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Well stated hamzen. (nt) Message:

Well stated hamzen. (nt)

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:08:59 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: shp Subject: You were 'crossed off' long a go, racist! Message:

Nothing to worry about. I take the complements according to the person giving them What you say don't matter much. I have a clue of who I am. A great sincere courageous person, with my flaws, but not a chihuahua, you UGLY RACIST!

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:15:23 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Hal Subject: cybervibes Message:

Hal responded: I agree with the live and let live philosophy. So why don't premies get on with happy clapping and worshipping his fat rotundity whilst we get on with trying to understand how we were so taken in by false promises? Shp says: Hal, why don't the ex-premies end their fixation about anything and everything about Maharaji if they want nothing to do with him anymore? That act would correspond with what you suggested the premies do in reverse. That would mean that you stand down from the battle footing you presently hold as a group against him. And in doing so you would be true to your words above: 'I agree with the live and let live philosophy.' Hal said: There is an obvious paradox in premies coming here telling us to live and let live, don't you think ? How are we folks here stopping you guys living your fantasy of being lovers of the so called Master of this age? shp says: You are not stopping me from doing anything. Coming here is an elective on my part to ask entrance, and your prerogative to accept or deny me entrance. I have an excellent question for you. If you don't want premies here, why do you include them in your introduction page as acceptable visitors in the first place? It feels kind of weird to be sort of invited in a conditional way to enter here and then get grilled about why we came. Sounds like a cult.... Hal said: Just exercise your will power premies and tear yourselves away from this forum you seemingly despise ( I actually suspect a morbid fascination exists , no? ) Yeah go live your illusions that you have some special nollige that only Goom Rodgie can give. shp says: Sarcasm will get you nowhere. I hope you find something to fill the gap that satisfies you. Take care.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 10:19:14 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: shp Subject: Reply to ship. Message:

Shp, One thing that gets me is the generalisation that all ex premies are dissatisfied. I'm not unhappy with my life at all, in fact I'm feeling better the further away I move from Maha. I stopped meditation for a while after I left but recently I've started to sit quietly in the mornings again. i use a meditation called Heavens Gate. I don't use those cumbersome and somewhat gross IMO technoques of sticking fingers and thumbs everywhere. Guess what , I hear sound , see inner glow and feel currents of peace running through me. I don't think that there is any difference in happiness levels between different groups of people . Premies I know aren't on cloud nine all the time by any means. Premies are welcome to post their perspective here as a counter balance to what we say and it can create some interesting discussions. However when premies come regularly to the forum and they are Guests it creates a big stir when they insult the hosts. It brings up considerable hurt in those who consider themselves abused by Maha, as premies are seen as his representatives, his advertisements as he said once. sincerely Hal

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 14:04:05 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Hal Subject: Reply to Hal Message:

Hal said: One thing that gets me is the generalisation that all ex premies are dissatisfied. I'm not unhappy with my life at all, in fact I'm feeling better the further away I move from Maha. shp says: First of all, I congratulate you on finding peace and happiness in your life. Having and practicing Knowledge is no guarantee of a problem-free life or a perfect personality. Peace is where you find it. I do not believe that all exers are dissatisfied any more than I believe that all premies are satisfied. It's what we do with what we have. Alot of what is posted here by exers does reflect deep-seated unresolved dissatisfaction, therefore the image is created of alot of unhappy people. Hal said: I stopped meditation for a while after I left but recently I've started to sit quietly in the mornings again. i use a meditation called Heavens Gate. I don't use those cumbersome and somewhat gross IMO technoques of sticking fingers and thumbs everywhere. Guess what , I hear sound , see inner glow and feel currents of peace running through me. shp says: 'Heaven's Gate'? Isn't that the name of the group which offed themselves in California a few years ago to hook up with a UFO riding behind a comet passing by earth? Not being funny here. Any connection or just a coincidence? Hal said: I don't think that there is any difference in happiness levels between different groups of people . Premies I know aren't on cloud nine all the time by any means. shp says: It's an individual thing and I totally agree with you here on this. Hal said: Premies are welcome to post their perspective here as a counter balance to what we say and it can create some interesting discussions. However when premies come regularly to the forum and they are Guests it creates a big stir when they insult the hosts. It brings up considerable hurt in those who consider themselves abused by Maha, as premies are seen as his representatives, his advertisements as he said once. shp says: I understand what you mean, but please understand that even though premies are 'invited' to attend this site on your cover page, we are not treated like real guests, perhaps like probationary guests or second-class guests, or enemy-guests. We are treated, without words necessarily, like accomplices in what you see as a big scam that is happening. I see some messy situations in which people got hurt, I see some very human feelings and reactions, but I see no scam. Thank you for your civil and thoughtful note. Wishing you and all here well, Sanford

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:09:32 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: shp Subject: Reply to Hal Message:

shp says: First of all, I congratulate you on finding peace and happiness in your life. Having and practicing Knowledge is no guarantee of a problem-free life or a perfect personality. Peace is where you find it. I do not believe that all exers are dissatisfied any more than I believe that all premies are satisfied. It's what we do with what we have. Alot of what is posted here by exers does reflect deep-seated unresolved dissatisfaction, therefore the image is created of alot of unhappy people. Premies may want to conlude by looking at the way we are working our way out the programming as being the end result. You can simplify the complicated aspects of deprogramming and simply say that we are unhappy people. And why premies often avoid seeing the fact that coming here is JUST the beggining of healing and we are not done yet!? There is a deep sorrow a person feels when realizing that this being you loved for more than two decades, possing as your best friend, was your enemy number one! Should we act weird and feel joy, when what we are feeling is pain? The sorrow period most ex-premies go through is part of coming out of the cult. Being angry at gurujichi is normal. So don't come here to paint us as something we are not. Don't you believe that the unhappinness displayed here is well founded and obviously necesary in the transition? You know it's. You deny it as being normal because you are incapable of being honest all the way. Enjoy! Your generalizations are absurd and make you look as you premies are: Unwilling to relate to our experience and struggles, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU PREMIES ARE NOT THE LOVING BEINGS YOU PRETEND TO BE. You say that ex-premies are unhappy, yes, unhappy with what happened to us as cult members, but can you conclude that we are unhappy people, in general, in the life part you cannot know? Invalid statement. Of course we have a life, family and DO have fun. Just because we don't talk much about our private lives doesn't mean that YOU know how they are. Often you make fun of exes. Please, good, good person, can you just leave us alone? Ex-premies know what is like to be 'there' but you don't know what it means to be here. You can imagine but you don't know. You do not come here to discuss anything in good terms but to create rough spots for the people that come here looking for help, in our site. An ex-premie site. That in itself makes you a very unconsiderate person. Rethink yourself. It shows that you are not thinking clearly, or maybe you just don't want to.I saw your explanation why you come here. How lame. You don't have to be here if you don't like the dynamics and several times I saw you voicing your discontent. I say leave, if you cannot put up with what happen here. Racist! What do you know about real love and compassion... You show well where you stand, often enough for us to notice. Do you have a mirror? I hope you get to grow. Sincerely. BTW, I'm proud of my culture and of who I am today. Men think that latinas are hot(Just joking). I'm the best I can be today, and that is enough for me because I'm growing, changing what needs to change AT MY PACE. What you call ego is just another stupidity lard pass on to you. Of course I have an ego. Don't you? hahahaaha!!!! This site is FUN too!!! SB

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:18:04 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: shp Subject: Premies ARE accomplices, shp Message:

And it is a 'big scam.' Do you realize how arrogant, patronising and condescending you sound?

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 00:00:41 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: sb Subject: I'm sorry sb Message:

Misunderstandings between you and I don't seem to be going away. Perhaps you haven't read enough of my posts over time. I can't discuss anything with you, sb, because you have decided that you know the 'truth', as you have before - unless I've misunderstood the general premie trip completely. Like I said, to an outsider neither premies nor exes seem to generally put their best foot forward here at FV, and this is yet another example. I'll let the FA show me the door if he feels it's necessary, thank you.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 02:11:06 (GMT) From: sam Email: - To: Stonor Subject: best foots? Message:

I hope you dont include all exs when you say they do not present themselves well on FV- cause I'm so impressed and appreciative of how helpful and kind and supportive people have been. Sometimes people say things in such a way as to get a bad response from others

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 03:14:59 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: sam Subject: You are right, sam, I don't make it clear here ... Message:

Hello Sam, If it weren't for some of the wonderful people I've met here I would have left long ago! The fact that there are MANY 'good' exes here is perhaps too implicit in this particular post, but I tried to cover it in my comments about recentexes. Sorry about the misunderstanding. This is a very difficult topic to discuss, which I think is one reason why it hasn't been resolved, IMO, of course. What I've been seeing here over the last 5 or 6 months, is that there are many people here who are self-editing in order to avoid attacks, posting at recentexes, corresponding by email, or simply leaving. IMO, there is little reason for fighting here. While I do understand that considering the gravity of some of the issues that people might well 'lose it' sometimes, to treat it as status quo is only encouraging it. I have often heard that it's needed to 'deprogram' premies. I'm not an expert on the value of this approach, so I can't comment on that, but why are so many who are no longer premies or, as in my case, never have been, subjected to the same 'treatment'. I have seen usually non-combative people go along mindlessly (IMO) joining in with bullying while complaining about it at the same time. Toughening up and better setting boundaries, have also been suggested to me as an underlying value of this abuse. Note the implicit suggestion that anyone who can't take it isn't 'tough' enough or hasn't set their boundaries well enough. I've even been told that I'll be thankful for it one day! If you are curious about 'bullying', what it is, how it works, how it affects people's mental and physical health, check out this site. It's easy to find aspects of that in some of the posting styles here - too many, IMO. Bully Online Some specific traits of serial bullies Nice to have met you Sam, Stonor

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 13:21:37 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Stonor Subject: You are right, sam, I don't make it clear here ... Message:

So why you opine about what you don't know, nor understand. How you come and throw few words comaplining about what you don't know. I don't understand your logic. This is a very difficult topic to discuss, which I think is one reason why it hasn't been resolved, IMO, of course. I've even been told that I'll be thankful for it one day! Who told you that? Who can have said that and why? Can you explain how it was said and why? Maybe people should pass a pychological test before posting, right? What about understanding? Whinning. You are so full of it, aren't you? Twisting to adapt to the reaction you got? I see it. What YOU say HERE doesn't belong in any other place but here. Correct? We attach the stupid ideas, not people. What is a personal attack and what isn't, in your opinion. Please, would you give me an example. Thanks.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 06:34:32 (GMT) From: Skippy Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Stay Message:

Your observations are so rational and your responses so restrained and intelligent that I can hear and agree. I am new to this forum and to state my position honestly I am not quite and ex yet as the penny has dropped, but it has not yet stopped spinning. I hope you stay tuned because it is through rational and intelligent interventions such as I have seen here that I believe I will regain my self confidence. I dont want to be a tough guy. I have always stood firm in front of bullies even though they make me quake inside. Years of subservience has made me weak, but not cowardly. If you are not or have not been a premie or are or are not an ex is irrelevant. You are requesting some kind of civility on this important site and I think it is a reasonable insight. If my experience is anything to go by, I first looked in here and recoiled from the forum thinking the people were nuts. It was when I looked further into the matter that I became intelligently informed. Just a few thoughts. Cheers Skippy

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:25:00 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Skippy Subject: All it needs for evil to prosper is for people ... Message:

Hi Skippy, Are you a kangaroo or peanut butter (I'm extremely allergic to peanut butter, so I hope you're the former, I liked 'Skippy' the bush kangaroo! ;-) Sorry, had to go through the name associations, so before you wonder about mine, it's one of my family's names. You wrote: If my experience is anything to go by, I first looked in here and recoiled from the forum thinking the people were nuts. It was when I looked further into the matter that I became intelligently informed. I was glad to read that you shared my first impressions. Somewhat fortunately, I asked a premie my first question, and his answer confirmed my suspicions that while in general there are 'all kinds' of people, 'cult' members' are in a class by themselves. I have written a number of long posts about the 'bullying' by some of the posters at this forum. As I mentioned above, one area where I feel it is clearly often 'over-the-top' is wrt premies. I have, from my first post, realized how irritating their 'tone' can be, but I personally don't think that verbal abuse is necessary, and only engenders more of the same. And as I've also said, I definitely see no need for it in other discussions EVER. Some of the other bully tactics are tiresome to pinpoint. I'm sure you've heard the expression 'The devil is in the details'? This is where the bullies make the 'nice' guys work doubly hard to prove their point, while the bullies zap them. (see my post about hamzen's below.) Bullies usually attack 'people of goodwill', who are good at their job or popular. I have recently been a victim of a bully, and subsequently many little 'bullyettes', for about 5 years, which was finally resolved when the police took it seriously. During this time I gave the issue a great deal of thought, and did some research into the dynamics of bullying, as well as the effects. From what I have learned here, m is a consummate bully who has made millions of dollars from it, and damaged the emotional, mental and physical health of thousands (if not many more) in the process. To see the same pattern being repeated here in the name of helping people to break free of him is totally repugnant to me. I have become more sensitized to and aware of both the patterns of bullies and the repercussions for the victims as well as the general population. A quote from the Bully Online site posted below is for me an underestimate: 'Half the population are bullied ... most only recognize it when they read this: (only a brief section reproduced here) -being belittled, demeaned and patronised, especially in front of others -being humiliated, shouted at and threatened, often in front of others -finding that everything you say and do is twisted, distorted and misrepresented The main reason I've posted so much lately is because, as Martin Luther King said, 'He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.' All the best to you Skippy! Stonor

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:29:50 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Racist. Chuhuahua dooo dooo, eh? Yuck! (nt) Message:

you suck!

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Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 01:53:15 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: SB Subject: Una carta del una hermana, para SB. Message:

SB, you don't suck. All I can say is that my students, immigrants from all over the world, will tell you that I am not a racist, as will my 'Peruvian mom and sisters', and many other people in my multinational neighbourhood. I am truly sorry that we have had this misunderstanding, SB. I know I will never fully understand what you have been through, nor will you fully understand what I've been through, but I have faith that one day we will be friends. Por favor, desculpas mi espagnol (I gave my second-hand dictionary to a student from Puerto Rico) y qual quire cosa que non entende, una dia. Con muchas amor y carino, tu hermana tambien, Anna

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Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 02:38:07 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Una carta del una hermana, para SB. Message:

Stonor, just drop it, please. Doesn't feel good anymore to pretend. I'm very sorry that all happened the way it did; I really used to like you a lot. Now, with all the words said is not the same. I hope you understand and don't take it as irony. I cannot say that you are, totally, but the selection of words was uncalled for IMO.It shocks me when I see it, but since this is not the first time that this happen to me in the USA, I'm used to it; is almost too common, especially where I live. What can I say. Nobody is perfect. My mother is a self-righteous woman and I have learned to dislike certain thoughts patterns and your do that. I take it that if you are a teacher is in your nature to want to correct with, maybe not always, good intentions but it gets boring the repetition. I think that you have more things in common with premies and maybe you should support Paradise's premies site. You seem to be having fun there. Honest. It got into personalities. Personality attacks, name calling, dog names, too much. I don't trust you anymore. Sorry. You are not my cup of tea.I'm pretty much a simple person that likes to understand what I read. It seems that you are not interested in answering my posts anyway. Is better if we just leave it at interpretations regarding guruji and all related to being an ex-premie or a premie. That doesn't mean that this is not a public forum: I can give my opinion on what you write. This is so you don't accuse me of running 'behind' you like a dog. That what one of the crappy posts you threw my way. Take care, SB ps: No offense but your spanish sucks. ;) The intention? Who knows?

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Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 03:45:25 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: sb Subject: Que sera, sera. Y gracias para contestar. Message:

Dear SB, Thank you so much for responding to my post. I've been waiting. My 'gvetch' is in the oven now, so I have an hour to wait until I can eat and go to bed. You are not exactly encouraging me to practice my Spanish! ;-) Is there no hope? When I first spoke Spanish, people thought I was French, and you wouldn't believe the funny situations that happened because of the Spanish influence on my French! I returned from Peru the last time on New Year's day, 1987, and there are not that many Spanish-speaking immigrants in my classes, so I really do apologize for how much my Spanish sucks. I hope you could understand it at least. I take the opportunity, whenever I can, to speak Spanish. My friends tell me that they see a different person when I speak it. It's interesting for me to feel the different 'personalities' of cultures through languages. My father immigrated to Montreal from Denmark when he was in his twenties. and back then there weren't that many immigrants in our neighbourhood - my own cousin still does not understand what it has meant. But times do change, although I've felt a bit like a 'foreigner', on many different levels, especially since I've returned from Peru. Someone wrote, 'Once you've lived on two continents, Nowhere is your home'. I say, 'Once you've lived on two continents, everywhere can be your home.' Much more I'd like to share with you. I hope we do share our experiences over time, SB. Anna

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Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 04:52:02 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Que sera, sera. Y gracias para contestar. Message:

I wasn't discouraging, go for it!! The first part of what you wrote didn't make sense, that's all. Right? Nothing at all. I understood the rest. Not bad. Yeah, i imagine that YOU were REALLY waiting. Why you have to say that? Compelled? You don't have to be phony; it makes you look silly. I don't want to discuss cultures with you. Some of my views are very personal and I don't want to talk more than what I said. I still think that you ate too much bologna. Que sera, sera, correcto. Who knows? Sorry to hear that you lost your opportunity to practice spanish. I have been around here for few months. snifff

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Date: Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 05:35:40 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: sb Subject: Sniff? That made me LOL! - but ... Message:

Sniff? That made me LOL - but I won't explain on how many levels. And I don't care if you believe me or not about how I was waiting ... I'm not 'normal', so I try to be honest anyways, and hope that it helps others to be themselves. I don't feel like I have much to lose at this point. Despite my cultural mix, there is no Italian im me that I know of (at the same time I know that there probably is in a mongrel like me), but I've been a vegetarian for about 15 years now (no, not 'strictly so'). Well, my opportunity to practice my Spanish has become more limited since my requested transfer, which landed me in Chinatown puro, pero, voy tomar l'opportunidade hablar Espanol quando puedo. Gong hay fa choy! Y esta bien para mi hablar contigo. Anna

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 19:25:12 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Stonor Subject: And King also said. 'It's not the roar of my Message:

enemies I worry about, but the silence of my friends.' Hi Stonor, Live and let live. Yeah! shp

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:21:09 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: shp Subject: Maybe Dr. King was thinking about Jesse Jackson... Message:

who claimed to hold the dying man in his arms and to have gotten his blood on his shirt. A story he told innumerous times and which was a blatant lie. Of course Jesse was an FBI informant for most of his adult life and I suppose, still is one. I can't stand the creep.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:18:27 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: shp Subject: And King also said. 'It's not the roar of my Message:

Thanks for the great quote, shp! You don't want to know how well I can relate to that looking back on some of the events in my life! I think it's the 'let live' part that most have trouble with, and there's that fine line about letting others get away with sucking others' lives ...

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 15:41:34 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Saint Stonor Message:

Now how did you get your golden crown? Was it martyrdom? Yes I believe that was it... So now Ham is clumped into Stonor's 'bully' catagory. How absurd! So anyone who disagrees with Stonor is a bully. Well that certainly makes things convenient. How puerile! Here's what's really 'repugnant, if you ask me: From what I have learned here, m is a consummate bully who has made millions of dollars from it, and damaged the emotional, mental and physical health of thousands (if not many more) in the process. To see the same pattern being repeated here in the name of helping people to break free of him is totally repugnant to me. What a ridiculous statement! Comparing the verbal sparring that goes on here to the rank abuse of a messianic cult leader who sucked thousands of people dry for decades. Stonor, you need to get some prospective.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 16:18:04 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: gerry Subject: I thought that title was reserved for Katie? Message:

Yes, Gerry, I have some excellent prospectives that I intend to continue working on as soon as I get my data properly tranferred onto a zip drive and downloaded into my new computer. In fact, I finally found a place yesterday where I can do it myself for a reasonable price. (Someone had done it for me, but had made a mess by opening folders and transferring hundreds of loose documents that I would have had to have spent ages re-filing). More bully tactics Gerry? Sarcasm, ridicule, twisting and projection ... Say hi to Patty for me! And don't worry, I won't be on vacation forever!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:56:01 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: gutless Stonor Subject: You completely glossed over the point Message:

So OK you and the sheepdude got me on that one. It's PERSPECTIVE. Got it. The rest of your goobldeygook is just evasion. And it appears quite cowardly to me. What shall we call your tactics? How about cowardly avoidance? Will that do?

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 19:28:52 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Stonor and gerry Subject: IT'S PERSPECTIVE NOT PROSPECTIVE, YOU GUYS! (nt) Message:

phuque disshit

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:13:51 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: shp Subject: Hi shp! Message:

Hi shp, Was that you swearing about my use of the word prospectives? ;-) I believe I used it right, although it should have been prospects - I was in a rush - Gerry used it wrong. I'm just in and going back out. This is the first post I've read since earlier today, but I was planning to post my excuses to you today for not having gotten back to your post yet. I haven't forgotten, but had a bit of a dialogue with a premie over at Life's aFoot, and became a bit disheartened by its lack of depth. And then other shit happened, and my tomatoes, eggplants, beans, and corn need to be harvested and cooked and frozen. Hope you had a good week and have an even better weekend if I don't talk to you sooner!.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:33:01 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: shp Subject: PS: Hi shp! Message:

I was referring to my conversation with DavidJ, not Elaine, who I wish would come back because we were just moving into an interesting topic, IMO.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:24:00 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Stonor Subject: What's that? Message:

What is Life's aFoot?

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 22:32:42 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: G Subject: What's that? Message:

CD's premie forum. Haven't you been reading all SB's posts? Don't worry, I haven't either. Life's aFoot

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 00:21:25 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Stonor Subject: What's THAT? Message:

You are just who I think you are Stonor, and I don't have to remind you: I bet you know already. It took me a bit but now I'm sure. Third day of evidences exposed. Good to have been 'your friend', talking about nothing. Have a good life, farmer. Your life is full of pepinos to take care of. LOL Conscience? What is that?

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:04:22 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: SB Subject: I don't think so. Message:

I extremely doubt that Stonor is a premie. Why do you think that?

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 23:05:13 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Thanks Message:

I don't have time to even read half the posts. Good joke you told over there.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 01:18:58 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: G Subject: Thanks Message:

OK G, was it one of my long serious posts that was funny or was it the love bombs that are still falling on my head? ;-)

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:15:25 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Stonor Subject: neither Message:

the computer password joke I didn't read about love bombs.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:30:27 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: G Subject: neither Message:

Oh, yeah ... I'd forgotten. My friend emailed me about a couple of days after Nigel posted a question about 'size' for ladies only at AG, so I found it particularly funny at the time. The 'love bombs' stuff was when sb arrived and started droppping them on mine AND Elaine's posts, which she then brought over here. (Hmmm, maybe those love bombs were really chihuahua doo doo!) But you have to click 'view all' to see it now. How's your Friday night going?

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:41:31 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Stonor Subject: my Friday night Message:

My Friday night, well, I'm working late and sick, other than that it's fine. Regarding you and SB, I don't want to get involved, but I think that 'chihuahua doo doo' is getting into the personal insult area. I think it would be better to stay away from the 'chihuahua' remark. It doesn't matter who started what.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:48:20 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: G Subject: my Friday night Message:

Too late, see my post above. Sorry to hear you're sick. I just sent you an email.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:07:30 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: G Subject: PS: my Friday night Message:

Did you notice that the 'chihuahua' remark wasn't 'racist' until Gerry decided it was? I've had a good day. Took care of some computer related business this afternoon, went out for a very rare dinner with my sister tonight because she was 'kid-free' for the evening, so that was fun. Tomorrow more harvesting, cooking and freezing. I thought it was just me who was complaining about the bad weather and its effects on the crops, but I saw the front page of the newspaper today, and apparently all the crops are three weeks behind schedule and doing very poorly. The farmers are very worried about early frost - that's one advantage of being in the city, the temperatures are always a little higher. Oh well, time to go up to bed and read. Take care, Stonor

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:16:55 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Stonor Subject: PS: my Friday night Message:

Actually, Stonor, SB stated her opinion that shp's remark was racist before I did. So that blows your little 'theory' out the water, doesn't it? I thought it was a racial slur the minute I read it and decided to wait to see if anyone else would think so. SB did thinks so, and I agree. Go take your campaign elsewhere. You fall flat on your face here.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:01:19 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: gerry Subject: 'course it was racist . Message:

The reference to chihauha is not a bloody coincidense is it ? Why not Yorkshire terrier or some other little yappy dog? No it has to be a Mexican ie spanish barking dog. What's going on on this forum ? Best wishes Gerry Hal

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:47:02 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Hal Subject: BTW, Hal (ot) Message:

I responded to your post, and it slipped into inactive right after.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:17:51 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Hal Subject: 'course it was racist . Message:

Hi Hal, What's going on is that shp, showing a little more sophistication, which he learned the hard way here, is back to preach once again, the virtues of Nollidge and the sacred goomeraji, knowing full well this is an ex-premie site and people here recoil at the rhetoric of his cult 'reasoning.' In other words, 'the same ole, same ole.' Best to you Hal, and it's really great to see folks like you gathering up strength and clarity. Inspiring, too.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:57:54 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: gerry Subject: it WAS racist Message:

and blaming YOU for making it so is absurd.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 14:35:24 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Selene Subject: it WAS racist...in your dreams Message:

Dear Selene, Below is a reprint with some additions of a post I sent gerry further up the thread. I am reprinting it just for you, since you are waving the flag for political correctness and also accusing me of something that I personally find extremely disgusting and primitive and take great pains to avoid in my life. gerry said: Hey shp if SB were Black would you have called her a monkey? So calling her a hairless little yapping Mexican dog is OK? It is not OK. It is the same thing. You made a racist remark. Be man enough to admit it and apologize. shp says: 1) I had no idea what race, gender or nationality sb was when I made the post, and frankly I did not care. Therefore how could I be discriminatory? My comments were based solely on her vibes, which is what the title of my original post was 'cybervibes'. You all aren't stupid. You know exactly what was being communicated, and deep down inside you can probably relate. And I even think you know I am not a racist. But you know what? If you think I am, think it. I cannot control your thinking, nor do I wish to. Your thinking of me a certain way does not make it so. This just goes to show how far you will reach to try to throw mud on a premie, even if you really know the score. 2) Not all chihuahuas are hairless. I should call the SPCA (society for the prevention of cruelty to animals) on you for assuming that all chihuahuas are hairless, you bigoted scum! 3) You are a bonafide asshole for even implying such a thing as racism happened. What you are creating here is called a 'red herring', a side issue from what was originally being said to divert attention from the conversation to something you think can gain advantage from. gerry, I never thought you would stoop to such a level, thought you were made out of better stuff than that. 4) No admissions, no apologies, no racism. Tilt. You lose. So Selene, to continue to monitor the vibe, what we have going on here is somebody yells 'a premie is committing racism' and the crowd goes wild. I feel the vibe here now is one of 'hey, all ex-premies! a premie said something that can be construed and twisted into a pretzel and labelled racism if you really really use your imagination...let's get him!' How obtuse.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 17:32:03 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: shp Subject: what we have heere is a friend who Message:

cares about a friend. Something hard to understand when you use it all up on a guru.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 19:57:20 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Selene Subject: you ass-u-me bullshit is true about all premies Message:

and then you run with it...such as, premies don't know what it is to have or be a true friend. For Christ's sake, how blind and/or ignorant are you? And the compounding of this bullshit is that so many of you believe this horsecrap. But God forbid any negative feedback about you or yours! Really, what are your specific personal issues with Maharaji? And don't refer me to your polluted and diluted archives. You, personally, what is your beef?

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:38:42 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: shp Subject: Today baby, talk of today. Please. Message:

You are getting deeper in the mud. Go for a vacation. Premies have problems being themselves. If you have a master who is all the time talking to you about doubt, and darkness, new age stuff too, a confusing rattle, how can a premie get close to another human being? I have yet to see that in a premie, but sorry, I haven't. Selene haven't either, for conversations I had with her. You bring up the archives about the tough times Selene had with her health shows your dirty premie heart. Yes. I wish your scram. Your stink in many ways! Low. Desperate? Surrender. You are not in the right 'path'. Be good to yourself.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 20:09:01 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: shp Subject: what are you talking about Message:

They aren't MY archives. I don't have to tell you anything. Leave me alone.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:18:36 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Selene Subject: what we have heere is a friend who Message:

That was great Selene!! So true. Premies cannot love others: They only have eyes for lard. See? I'm awake. Sneaker. LOLOLOL....What a night, eh? That was something that I will never forget, honestly. You are one of the most beautiful people I have ever met. You are a wonderful person!! Thanks for having become my friend. I really appreciate it. Much love to you!

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:47:04 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: SB Subject: ditto for you SB Message:

It meant a lot to me to be.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 12:08:29 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Selene Subject: It racist in SOME people's opinions. Message:

I have a feeling that you finished reading the related posts, and then had no further comment. BTW thanks for recognizing that Elaine did not out me, but did you notice that SB did over here? Not that it matters, as I've already posted about why I chose to use Stonor rather than my real name.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:20:45 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: gerry Subject: PS: my Friday night Message:

Fine gerry, I stand corrected, but I'm sure you can understand why I've stopped reading SB's posts. And yeah, more insults from ya. Thanks for taking the time to type.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 18:34:37 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Too confronting: I'll take your mask off Message:

Too confronting to hear the truth, eh? You don't have to read or answer my posts. That doesn't stop me from reading yours and continue calling your shit, shit.

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Date: Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 03:27:49 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: gerry Subject: PS: my Friday night Message:

Nope, I was more than half right, LE said she thought it was insulting, Hal suggested it might be racist, and I think you are descended from monkeys, as your religion, evolutionism believes, and you're just telling more lies amidst mindless drivel. So what else is new. FV is falling flat on its face - Thank God the of the Ex-premie.org. site is so solid.

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 14:34:42 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Skippy Subject: Hi Skippy Message:

Good to see you here. I'm glad you stuck around on the forum after your first look. I agree that this place CAN seem nuts at times, but there are also a lot of good people posting here (even though some of us can get a little crazy!) - and there are some great posts that are directly relevant to people in your position. (I liked your analogy about the penny still spinning.) I wish the forum could be more civil too, but, after years of hanging around the forum (I used to be a FA, too), I don't believe that that will ever happen. My advice to you and everyone else who would like a more civil environment is to post the kinds of posts you would like to read - or, as you've done above, encourage people who post the kinds of posts you want to read. Take care, Katie

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 05:04:23 (GMT) From: sam Email: - To: Stonor Subject: thanks Stoner...nt Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 00:05:17 (GMT) From: sb Email: None To: Stonor Subject: I'm sorry sb Message:

I can't live my life for the outsiders. I never did and I never will. Take it with you. Is your post. I felt like getting sincere about what I have observed.

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