Forum V: Archive
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From: Sep 06, 2000 To: Sep 14, 2000 Page: 4 Of: 5


cba -:- Letters from downunder -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:35:39 (GMT)
__ la-ex -:- Letters from downunder -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 04:11:56 (GMT)
__ Curious George -:- Only rich oremies welcome -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:06:52 (GMT)
__ ex-book buyer -:- Letters from downunder -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:50:32 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Nice post, but -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:42:17 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Nice post, but -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:23:40 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- A typical premie perspective -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:13:13 (GMT)
__ __ Michael -:- A typical premie perspective -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:17:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- A typical premie perspective -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:35:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Rob -:- Ooops, sorry Michael -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:21:23 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- A typical premie's perspective -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:35:03 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Ignore this post, it went astray nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:14:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Rob -:- BTW I mean the 2nd one, not the first!!! nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:15:08 (GMT)
__ cq -:- My enemy's enemy is my friend ... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:56:39 (GMT)
__ Way -:- Letters from downunder -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:31:58 (GMT)
__ __ A Former Aspirant -:- Amaroo is a Hell Hole in the Middle of Nowhere -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:31:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ Know It All -:- How to get your 2grand back -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:22:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ sam -:- Amaroo is a Hell Hole in the Middle of Nowhere -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 07:52:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Maybe you went with the wrong attitude? -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:52:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- or altitude?..nt -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:53:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- To a former aspirant -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:47:39 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Location, location, location! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:15:14 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- p.s.Letters from downunder -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:55:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- more on Amaroo -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:15:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- Amaroo listed as accomodation for a Raceway -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:38:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- more on Amaroo with a description -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:19:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ sam -:- more on Amaroo with a description -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 07:28:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- more on Amaroo with a description -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:42:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- webwombat -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:52:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Actually it should be webwombat.com.au..nt -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 05:10:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Now we know where the Kissimmee tents went! -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:56:07 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- Bonza!! nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:15:32 (GMT)
__ PCH -:- small group of christian-minded people -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:01:24 (GMT)
__ Telltale -:- worms -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 09:53:53 (GMT)
__ Oliver -:- All I can say is....Onward Christian Soldiers!!! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:50:55 (GMT)
__ __ Zelda -:- Ah sweet irony. GO FOR IT MATE! nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:59:33 (GMT)

Rob -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 06:18:39 (GMT)
__ Danny -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 22:08:58 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Glad you enjoyed it, thanks. nt -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:24:18 (GMT)
__ __ Adam Moss -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 22:49:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ Rob -:- Sorry...do I know you? nt -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:26:13 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- To Mush-head and O... -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:46:26 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- Forget it shroom, I'm not even gonna click on it -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:25:33 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- In fact, I'm preparing an email to EV -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:31:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Rob -:- Why are you still posting? You are banned. -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:40:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Not yet. Why don't I get all of your posts and/or -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 07:33:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Feel free, Mike, I'm over you. nt -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:27:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Mike? Mike Who? (nt) -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 05:46:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- That's another 52 words Rob (nt) -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:35:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Shroomananda -:- Don't forget to include some of your own 'gems', -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:13:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- Don't forget to include some of your own 'gems', -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:31:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Ooh you rebel you:) -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:59:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ rebel rebel -:- Ooh you rebel you:) -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:34:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Ooh you rebel you:) -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:04:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- yeah well... OK truce -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 05:16:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- He is trying to salvage the situation -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:48:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- That should read:reply, but -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:35:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- replay or reply? either way... -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:37:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- To be fair, there is a difference -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:10:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Rob, there was QUITE a difference -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 05:21:14 (GMT)
__ Shroomananda -:- If you'll permit me, Rob, I'd like to make just -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:14:28 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- get lost shroom....nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:50:44 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:17:57 (GMT)
__ __ Forum Admin -:- Rob / Joe -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:42:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- why NOT discuss it here? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:34:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Forum Admin -:- why NOT discuss it here? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:39:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- yes it is very public here -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:57:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Forum Admin -:- yes it is very public here -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:52:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Rob -:- Understood -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:50:14 (GMT)
__ Rated-X -:- Delete all his posts -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:51:19 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- DON'T delete all his posts -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:20:27 (GMT)
__ Monmot -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:46:28 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- What a wonderful analogy(s), Monmot! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:19:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ JohnT -:- It's satsang, Jim ... -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 01:00:04 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- I think its more than just garrulousness -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:54:31 (GMT)
__ buzz -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 14:44:27 (GMT)
__ __ Shroomananda -:- The ultimate compliment, Buzz! Thank you so much! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:42:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Depends what sort of master you talking -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:49:41 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- You beat me to it. -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:00:43 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Done. nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:10:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Is there asuch a thing as snail e-mail? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:56:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- Spot the difference! -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 01:02:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Ooops...nt -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:57:33 (GMT)
__ Super Sub -:- Can we sqaulk about shroom for a minute? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:48:05 (GMT)
__ Oliver -:- I hate to say I told you so........ -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 09:06:39 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- I hate to say I told you so........ -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:58:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Oliver -:- Send 28,000 words anywhere...... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:46:18 (GMT)
__ __ Gregg -:- I'm a free speech fan, but... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:46:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- Let's allow Shroom to post here the day that... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:09:44 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- I agree and no, I don't think you are -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:49:14 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- I agree and no, I don't think you are -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:06:01 (GMT)
__ ExTex -:- Can we talk about shroom for a minute? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:10:01 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- I think its just one person -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:10:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ ExTex -:- I think its just one person -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:05:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- I think its just one person -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:17:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ ExTex -:- Spam Filter- -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:02:24 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- Time to get out the Raid-Roach Killer nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:51:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Zelda -:- Shroom wins thread ratio -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:54:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Super Sub -:- Shroom loses thread ratio -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:52:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ ExTex -:- The voice of Shroom -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:20:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- The voice of Shroom -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:35:57 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- Results from the Poll - Maharaji is the Master! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 04:03:18 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Results from the Poll - Maharaji is the Master! -:- Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 15:27:46 (GMT)
__ Yves -:- My guess is... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:35:19 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- 'Lord of Fraud'! - like it! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:53:28 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- It wouldn't surprise me -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:58:49 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Picture this scene in an old Malibu mansion -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 04:20:07 (GMT)
__ __ Yves' away -:- And now for the Monty Python version -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:50:30 (GMT)
__ __ non ex/non current -:- Results from the Poll -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 05:24:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- I love you, I really do. Make love not war. -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:11:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- I doubt he or she was thinking much at all! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:37:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Kick me Roger To Infinity..nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:03:54 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- 2 more photos and I apologize -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:36:26 (GMT)
__ cq -:- there's an old English song that goes like this: -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:33:03 (GMT)
__ Yves' intimate friend -:- Hey I know that poster boy. It is... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:29:43 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- I like the pics -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:11:36 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Is she ----- -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:03:35 (GMT)
__ __ Yves' away -:- No she wasn't -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:34:37 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- 2 more photos and I apologize -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:45:51 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- hysterical significance is more like it! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:56:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- hysterical significance is more like it! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:59:51 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- nope didn't see a thing -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:43:11 (GMT)
__ __ Mrs. W C -:- nope didn't see a thing -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:26:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- you can send em to me -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:54:49 (GMT)

Stonor -:- 'California IBM' Virus OT -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 02:53:30 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- A real virus - Kakworm -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:51:56 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Thanks Everyone! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:26:39 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- The email virus myth -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:02:45 (GMT)
__ __ Q -:- check out Bubbleboy, Davie -:- Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 15:48:48 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- The email virus myth -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:52:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- The email virus myth -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:09:12 (GMT)
__ A Customer -:- 'California IBM' Virus OT -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:08:11 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Thanks! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:32:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- More hoax virus info -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:10:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- PS -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:12:30 (GMT)

Joe -:- A Brand New EV FAQ and Answer.. Wonder why.... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:12:10 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Another Change.... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:23:43 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- At least it looks like they removed it.... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:25:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Do not know, but we need to keep copies -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:01:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Joe, check this out --- IMPORTANT -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:36:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Jim, can you follow up on this? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:25:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- I'm in the midst of doing just that (nt) -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:53:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- TELL EV!! They now PROMISE to reply... -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:15:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- So what are they going to say? -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:43:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Still waiting -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:57:37 (GMT)

Joe -:- The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:06:08 (GMT)
__ Lotus Eater -:- Ooh, they really are listening -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:25:05 (GMT)
__ Anon -:- The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:30:03 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- How true. -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:04:02 (GMT)
__ cq -:- The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:08:25 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!! -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 01:13:33 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Good work finding that -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:41:28 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Where is gerry when you need him?..nt -:- Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:13:33 (GMT)


Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:35:39 (GMT)
From: cba
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Letters from downunder
Message:
Letter #1

To Whom It May Concern:

I represent a small group of Christian-minded people who are very concerned about the activities of the organisation which owns and runs the Ivory Rocks Conference Centre ( IRCC ) Flinders Rd. Peak Crossing.

This organisation is now known as Elan Vital ( EV ) previously Divine Light Mission and is under the absolute control of Mr Prempal Rawat, known as Maharaji to his followers ( premies i.e. lovers ).

Please note that EV and IRCC management deny that Mr Rawat controls IRCC. This is primarily to protect EV’s tax free status and consequently Mr Rawat’s obscene wealth.

We believe Mr Rawat is a fraud and that he is deceiving many thousands of people worldwide into believing that he is some sort of messiah with a special spiritual gift ( ‘Knowledge’ ).

We were recently introduced to a website ( www.ex-premie.org ) established by disenchanted ex-followers of Mr Rawat. From it we have discovered disturbing information regarding the history and methods of the cult. We have included some of Mr Rawat’s quotes to illustrate our concerns:

“…Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? Guru Maharaji knows all. Guru Maharaji is Brahma ( creator ). Guru Maharaji is Vishnu ( operator ). Guru Maharaji is Shiva ( Destroyer ). And above all, Guru Maharaji is the Supremest Lord in person before us. I have come so powerful. I have come for the world. Whenever the great come , the worldly oppose them. Again I have come and you are not listening. Every ear should hear that the saviour of humanity has come. There should be no chance for anyone to say that they haven’t heard of Guru Maharaji. Those who have come to me are already saved. Now it’s your duty to save others. Shout it on the streets. Why be shy? When human beings forget the religion of humanity, the Supreme Lord incarnates. He takes a body and comes on this earth…..”

“…Surrender the reins of you life unto me and I will give you such peace as will never die. Come to me, and I will give you liberation. Place the reins of your life in my hands, and I will relieve you of your suffering. First, be capable of giving the reins of your life to me, then give them. And if I do not give you peace, I will give them back to you…”

“…The great leaders think that I have come to rule and yes, they are right! I will rule the world, and just watch how I will do it. Even the lion and sheep will embrace each other. Has there been such a king before? Krishna was not such a king. Rama was not such a king. There were lesser powers in Ram, there were lesser powers in Krishna, but I have come to the world with full powers. Accept my words, accept me. I will give you Knowledge. If you mistake my meaning, if you mistake a single word of what I am saying, I will not forgive you…”

“I declare that I will establish peace in this world. Just give me the reins and let me rule and I will rule in such a way that even Rama, Hariscandra, Krishna and other kings could not have ruled like that! That day is fast approaching. So arise, awake, open the ears of each man and tell him the time has come!”

“…By yourself, you cannot do anything, but I can do everything…”

“…I am the law, in which rests the movement of the stars and the growth of each living cell…”

“…I’m the light that allows you to see me…”

“ …People who consider Guru Maharaj Ji something else are definitely
bound to hell. There’s no ifs and buts about it…”

“…A devotee will follow their Guru Maharaj Ji wherever Guru Maharaj Ji goes and not be involved in anything else…”

“…If you don’t practise this Knowledge, you will get rotten inside. There is so much energy contained in this Knowledge, just imagine how much harm it will be able to do you if you know it, but do not use it properly…”

“…Everything depends on me. Not even a leaf moves a millimetre without my wish…”

“…So obey my command, or else you will be drowned…”

Most of these quotes are pre 1990. Some date from 1973 when he first arrived in the west at the age of 13. In the mid 80’s he recalled all incriminating magazines and videos in an attempt to cover up his claims to divinity. Although he still claims to be God in India, where he has a strong following, he now presents himself as a teacher with an exclusive gift called ‘Knowledge’. Yet to his closest followers he is still God.

We are very unhappy that Mr Rawat is still trawling for new members within our community. Young people mostly who are looking for some direction in their lives. They are indoctrinated into the cult by viewing carefully constructed video presentations based on Mr Rawat’s discourses. The gift of ‘Knowledge’, 4 secret meditation techniques, and Mr Rawat’s salesmanship constitute a powerful attraction. The seekers have no idea what they are getting into!

IRCC has a substantial presence in the Ipswich region. Over the years there has been considerable contact and interaction with local government and the community. We do not realise what a dangerous cult we are dealing with. When it is discovered that a scandal is taking place in our midst it may attract media attention that the local area can do without.

Despite his problems with disenchanted cult members, falling attendances, massive debt and management problems, yet another multi million dollar expansion is well under way at IRCC. It appears he is developing the 2000 acre property to become his international conference centre catering for ‘mega events’ and many thousands of followers.

We know we cannot influence the opinions of long term brain washed followers. Instead we intend to embarrass Mr Rawat into selling IRCC and abandoning his career as Generator, Operator and Destroyer ( GOD ), thus saving more innocents from his clutches and giving ‘premies’ the opportunity to live their own lives.

This letter has been sent to many people in various positions of responsibility in our ( Ipswich ) community. We are determined to succeed. This is just the first phase of a well planned strategy.

I am yours sincerely,
on behalf of “Cult Busters Anonymous”.

Enclosed is a letter we have recently sent to Mr Rawat, who is currently entertaining over 400 of his most faithful and financial supporters from around the world at IRCC. We have sent a copy of this letter to him and hope it has the desired effect.

Letter #2

To Mr Rawat,

I represent a small group of Christian-minded people who are very concerned about your activities and your connection to the Ivory’s Rock Conference Centre ( IRCC ).

We believe you are a fraud, deceiving many thousands of people. Our mission is to prevent you from continuing the deception by exposing and embarrassing you until you decide to retire.

We were recently introduced to www.ex-premie.org and have spent many hours reading the documents, testimonials and quotes from your discourses.

We challenge you to explain the following quote. Why did you say?

“Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? Guru Maharaj Ji knows all. Guru Maharaji is Brahma( Creator ). Guru Maharaj Ji is Vishnu ( Operator ). Guru Maharaji is Shiva ( Destroyer of illusion and ego ). And above all, Guru Maharaji is the Supremest Lord in person before us. I have come so powerful. I have come for the world. Whenever the great come , the worldly oppose them. Again I have come and you are not listening. Every ear should hear that the saviour of humanity has come. There should be no chance for anyone to say that they haven’t heard of Guru Maharaji. Those who have come to me are already saved. Now it’s your duty to save others. Shout it on the streets. Why be shy? When human beings forget the religion of humanity, the Supreme Lord incarnates. He takes a body and comes on this earth…”

For many years, it appears you played God to a gullible audience. The evidence is irrefutable. You continue to play God to those closest to you and demand all the privileges of the God you pretend to be. All this is kept from aspirants. They have no idea what they are buying into and you know it.

What offends our group is that you deceive many well meaning sincere people who are searching for a profound spiritual experience. We find this kind of deception particularly obnoxious.

We realise we can’t hope to influence the opinions of many of your committed followers. Instead, we intend to embarrass you into selling IRCC and retiring from public life, thus saving aspirants from the cult and giving followers an opportunity to live their own lives.

Our plan is to distribute material that includes some of the offending quotes and information from the ex-premie site. Enclosed are samples that will be used at our discretion. Letters will be sent to media, local authorities and religious leaders on an ongoing basis until we achieve our objectives.

Your game is up. Your mistakes have caught up with you. Your dishonest deception of hundreds of thousands of sincere people is at an end. In the next few months you will be exposed, ridiculed and embarrassed by your own words and actions.

This is no idle threat. Be warned. Sell IRCC immediately and get out of Australia. Either way our dedicated group of cult busters will bust you. This is only stage one of our strategy. It will be publicised and discussed on the web. We are confident that may of your former victims will spread the word throughout the world.

Our group is saddened by the inevitable pain, anger and confusion our actions will cause many of your followers, who will undoubtably continue to believe you are their master and reject outright the suggestion that they have been brainwashed.

To those followers who read this letter we would like to say we believe you are innocent victims of a belief system that doesn’t allow you to question, criticize or call Mr Rawat to account. He has eroded your ability to discriminate.

Surely wisdom comes from experience of life and the ability to become more and more discerning and perceptive. What kind of teacher discourages these qualities whilst demanding total subservience?

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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 04:11:56 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: Letters from downunder
Message:
Dear cba-please keep us informed about your efforts to get rid of m in amaroo.I don't think it will be easy, but if there are specific things we can do, please advise...also an off-line address may be helpful to coordinate things...
There may be similar things happening in the US with some of the m-related activities and businesses...
Good Luck...
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:06:52 (GMT)
From: Curious George
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: Only rich oremies welcome
Message:
Dear Cult Buster,

As an expremie I am interested in knowing if it is true that Only rich premis (O.R.P's) are welcome at this event. Is there a high entrance fee? What do you know about this conference? How long did it last? who are these 400 and how do you know that there are 400 rich premies taking part?

Curious George

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:50:32 (GMT)
From: ex-book buyer
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: Letters from downunder
Message:
Dear down under-congratulations on your efforts and your courageous stand against maharaji and his cult in amaroo.
In the US, a number of employees of Amtext, a college book business owned by maharaji,have figured out recently that he is getting 1-2 million dollars profit per year from their efforts.
Not all the employees of Amtext are followers of the guru,and some of them are devout Christians who have just begun to find out who owns their company.They have started to spread the word, and are beginning to leave the company.Hopefully your efforts can have a similar effect.I think your effort in 'holding his feet to the fire' with his outrageous claims and quotes is a good first start.Please use this site for more help and information.
Good luck...
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:42:17 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: Salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: cba
Subject: Nice post, but
Message:
Who is you

Cult Busters Anonymous?

Can you tell me more.

Also, how did you know the gumji owns EV Australia Inc. The only relation between EV Australia and EV international in the similarity in name and that is all. Please show me a document or anything that will relate IRCC to gumji and I will kiss your lotus bum. But, again , to those lawyers I want to ask, How can EV Australia claims on thier web site to be a non-profit organisation when they are incorporated :

Elan Vital Incorporated (Australia) is a non-profit association which organises events and conferences in Australia. Elan Vital invites Maharaji to speak at events on a regular basis.

Is this claim valid, or is it another one of these hickups that EV is known to make as part of their policy

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:23:40 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: Salam
Subject: Nice post, but
Message:
I am not sure if you knew that Jeeps Nominee owns(ed) IRCC. If not I will post their details later.

From a stratigic point of veiw Amoroo is a well hiden place from inquisitive eyes, one needs to put some effort to be physically there. On the other, they are close to a small community Ipswich. I do not how rich is the Ipswich town council? Are they a rural council or urban? If they were a rural council then you can see how they appreciate all the scrap of food they are being handed out by a multimillion dollar organization. Does anybody think that a couple of thousands of dollars a week or a month matters to gumji? I do not think so. But it does matter to a small community.

I just hope that they do not pass a law forbidding exe to pass by Ipswich City (joke). EV is slowly buying the council for future benefits. Things like better road access or my buddy the Mayer, oh I know Joe at planning. Very helpful when you are a con merchant. Oh no what a terrible idea; imagine GM as the mayor of Ipswich (puke). Shit who is going to clean all this mess now. MUUUUUMMM…

If what you are doing is serious and not another prank, I really think that you should bring this up.

If you need help e-mail me

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:13:13 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: A typical premie perspective
Message:
You may like to follow the link at the head of the page to 'Forum Archives' and download posts from July & August. Here we have a bona fide representative of Maharaji ridiculing an Episcopal preacher called Michael. This attitude toward established religion is typical of the mindset which being a member of this cult instils in a person, and I believe shroomananda (a pseudonym BTW) is an excellent example, as you will see from the enthusiasm he displays about the knowledge and his 'master' in other posts.

Here are some extracts to illustrate this (all from shroomananda in reply to Michael, the Christian preacher):

So you are a preacher. Never seen God. Don't believe in past Masters (except Jesus?) and yet you have the audacity to say that Jesus never gave the same Knowledge as Maharaji. I know you never received Knowledge from Jesus. After all, he came 2000 years before you were born.

You seem so sure that Jesus' Knowledge was not what you received from Maharaji. How long did it take you to discover that Maharaji's Knowledge was not like Christ's Knowledge? Why don't you post a transcript of one of your 'sermons' here?

Maybe you could even bring one or two back to the arms of Jesus. What's heaven like, Reverend? Are there pearly gates? Streets of gold? You seem to think that you know God and Jesus so well. Of course, you've never seen or heard from either of them, have you? Can the blind lead the blind, Reverend, and still avoid the ditch? I'll ask you again. What makes you an expert about God and Jesus? Faith? Do you have faith, Reverend? Because it's written? Get real. When you've seen God and gotten his permission to preach about Him, then you might have some credibility. Until then, you're just another fool who thinks he's going to heaven AFTER he leaves his body. Pretty dry. And pretty pathetic. Back to you, Rev!

To me, you have zero credibility without true realization. And you still don't know if Jesus taught Knowledge, do you?

I've heard that the 4 techniques of Knowledge are depicted in the catacombs by the early Christians. You have no authority to talk about Jesus and you definately have no way of knowing whether Maharaji is teaching the same Knowledge that Jesus taught. To me, you're just a text torturer. Get some real spiritual experience and true seekers might believe you. Not because of your words but for the feeling behind the words. Blind faith is simply the tool of a fool.

I don't condemn you. I just say that you have no right to make a definitive statement that Christ did not give the same Knowledge as Maharaji. That is your opinion but it is not based on anything. It is not a fact. As far as being a cult member, it takes one to know one, I guess. You went from being in one 'cult', someone who had received the free gift of Knowledge from Maharaji, to another cult, an Episcople preacher in Panama! So don't point the finger at me, pal! If anyone is in a cult, it's you! You even preach the cult's doctrine every Wednesday and Sunday!

If Michael is involved in establishing the 'reign' of God among us, my kundalini just shudders! Do you think we'd all have to sit around and listen to him pontificating about what God and Jesus REALLY want?

I can see you're concerned about me. I'm concerned about you, too! Break those chains of ignorance. Come back to the true Knowledge. The doors always open! Even for Preachers.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:17:33 (GMT)
From: Michael
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: A typical premie perspective
Message:
Hi Rob!
Could you change the phrase 'Episcopal preacher' to 'Episcopal Priest' as that is what I am.
Thank you very much.

Gee, Shroom sures comes off as a loving, wonderful person who is full of spiritual wisdom, doesn't he?

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:35:26 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: A typical premie perspective
Message:
Don't know about Shroom's spiritual wisdom, but he sure has a problem with Episcopalians! I haven't been able to figure that one out yet - I have never met anyone who said they were 'scarred by their upbringing in the Episcopal Church' (snicker) or anything even close to that.

Love,
Katie
the lapsed Episcopalian

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:21:23 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: Ooops, sorry Michael
Message:
That will have to be the FA though, we can't edited posts once they are submitted.

I'm sure Maharaji is VERY proud of his devotee and glad to have him speaking on his behalf to such a large audience.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:35:03 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: A typical premie's perspective
Message:
You may like to follow the link at the head of the page to 'Forum Archives' and download posts from July & August. Here we have a bona fide representative of Maharaji ridiculing an Episcopal preacher called Michael. This attitude toward established religion is typical of the mindset which being a member of this cult instils in a person, and I believe shroomananda (a pseudonym BTW) is an excellent example, as you will see from the enthusiasm he displays about the knowledge and his 'master' in other posts.

Here are some extracts to illustrate this (all from shroomananda in reply to Michael, the Christian preacher):

So you are a preacher. Never seen God. Don't believe in past Masters (except Jesus?) and yet you have the audacity to say that Jesus never gave the same Knowledge as Maharaji. I know you never received Knowledge from Jesus. After all, he came 2000 years before you were born.

You seem so sure that Jesus' Knowledge was not what you received from Maharaji. How long did it take you to discover that Maharaji's Knowledge was not like Christ's Knowledge? Why don't you post a transcript of one of your 'sermons' here?

Maybe you could even bring one or two back to the arms of Jesus. What's heaven like, Reverend? Are there pearly gates? Streets of gold? You seem to think that you know God and Jesus so well. Of course, you've never seen or heard from either of them, have you? Can the blind lead the blind, Reverend, and still avoid the ditch? I'll ask you again. What makes you an expert about God and Jesus? Faith? Do you have faith, Reverend? Because it's written? Get real. When you've seen God and gotten his permission to preach about Him, then you might have some credibility. Until then, you're just another fool who thinks he's going to heaven AFTER he leaves his body. Pretty dry. And pretty pathetic. Back to you, Rev!

To me, you have zero credibility without true realization. And you still don't know if Jesus taught Knowledge, do you?

I've heard that the 4 techniques of Knowledge are depicted in the catacombs by the early Christians. You have no authority to talk about Jesus and you definately have no way of knowing whether Maharaji is teaching the same Knowledge that Jesus taught. To me, you're just a text torturer. Get some real spiritual experience and true seekers might believe you. Not because of your words but for the feeling behind the words. Blind faith is simply the tool of a fool.

I don't condemn you. I just say that you have no right to make a definitive statement that Christ did not give the same Knowledge as Maharaji. That is your opinion but it is not based on anything. It is not a fact. As far as being a cult member, it takes one to know one, I guess. You went from being in one 'cult', someone who had received the free gift of Knowledge from Maharaji, to another cult, an Episcople preacher in Panama! So don't point the finger at me, pal! If anyone is in a cult, it's you! You even preach the cult's doctrine every Wednesday and Sunday!

If Michael is involved in establishing the 'reign' of God among us, my kundalini just shudders! Do you think we'd all have to sit around and listen to him pontificating about what God and Jesus REALLY want?

I can see you're concerned about me. I'm concerned about you, too! Break those chains of ignorance. Come back to the true Knowledge. The doors always open! Even for Preachers.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:14:15 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Ignore this post, it went astray nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:15:08 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: all
Subject: BTW I mean the 2nd one, not the first!!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:56:39 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: My enemy's enemy is my friend ...
Message:
... not that the Maha is really my enemy. Just another con-artist living off suckers like I used to be.
(and I'm a different kind of sucker now).

But I'd like to see him exposed for what he said and did, and now claims NOT to have said and done, and to that end, I'll sign off by saying that this is one atheist wishing you, Christian-minded person (whatever that is, - and I HOPE it's not meant to imply that only Christians have any idea of what morality is!), the very best of luck with your campaign!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:31:58 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: Letters from downunder
Message:
cba,

I'm assuming, from the info in your letter, that Ipswich is the Australian city closest to Amaroo. How far is Amaroo from Ipswich? How far is Amaroo from Brisbane? How large is Ipswich? Have you sent your letter to the press, religious leaders, and the city officials of Ipswich?

Good luck in your efforts. It would be great if the right people could be inspired to protest the existence of Rawat's cult at Amaroo. Certain Christians and others who have a hatred for false prophets might be helpful in the fight against the cult.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:31:41 (GMT)
From: A Former Aspirant
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Amaroo is a Hell Hole in the Middle of Nowhere
Message:
I had the misfortune of being in that Ivory Rock place, which is miles from any form of civilization.

Ipswich, if I remember right, is a parched, desert ghost town and is at least a half hour from Amaroo. That horrible cult-prison is in the fucking outback where you get stuck with a bunch of aging hippie cultists who act friendly at first, but treat you like crap if you question anything their rotund master rants on about. If you do that, you might as well have the bubonic plague, as far as these supposedly loving 'students' are concerned. They even all kissed his fucking feet there. Made me want to vomit.

It was really expensive, it was hot, buggy, dusty and ugly, and the ugliest thing was Maharaji himself. I would love to get back the two grand, which I could barely afford, that I spent to go to that place for an event, at which I slept in a tent and was fed shitty food. It was a total nightmare.

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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:22:59 (GMT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: A Former Aspirant
Subject: How to get your 2grand back
Message:
Dear Former Aspirant,

If you were defrauded into going to Amaroo, you might be able to sue and get your money back depending on where you live. I'd ask EV to give you the money back first. If they refuse, you could file a small claims action against them for fraud (if you were misled about what was going to happen when you were there, what the accomodations were like, that the organization was actually a cult, etc).

Better yet, see if you can take the case in front of Judge Judy and make some representative of EV show up and explain why it is not a cult. Now there's some good low rent TV! If all else fails, I hear that Jerry Springer is investigating the remnants of Divine Light Mission and is looking for former ashram residents and Denver honchos to duke it out on national TV.

KIA

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 07:52:29 (GMT)
From: sam
Email: -
To: A Former Aspirant
Subject: Amaroo is a Hell Hole in the Middle of Nowhere
Message:
prems prefer not to talk to any dissenters incase they catch THE VIRUS (the doubt virus) which is pretty sad when your experience is not strong enough to stand against the 'thems'. But why converse again ever.. its all chit-chat if its not propagation or praise.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:52:25 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: A Former Aspirant
Subject: Maybe you went with the wrong attitude?
Message:
AFA,

Did it ever occur to you to try faking the smily-face Clarity and Appreciation of your hosts? Get Synchronized and everything? Doesn't sound as if you did. What it really sounds like is that you went there with your own independent mind, etc.

How unfortunate.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:53:29 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: or altitude?..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:47:39 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: A Former Aspirant
Subject: To a former aspirant
Message:
Dear former aspirant,

That's strange. The Ipswich Tourism Bureau promices 'relaxing sensations' such as waking to the sounds of kookaburras. Didn't you hear any of those?

p.s. Just be glad that all you wasted was a couple thousand dollars. Some of us wasted the best years of our lives!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:15:14 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Location, location, location!
Message:
Ivory Rocks is about 20 miles SSW of Ipswitch.

Go to www.mapquest.com, click on 'Maps' and enter in Peak Crossing, Australia. When the map comes up, zoom out one level and you'll see it in relation to Ipswitch & Brisbane.

PS & to cba, It may be useful to include some posts from shroomananda that were directed at Michael, as they display the worst kind of anti-Christian invective we've seen on the forum.

They show the architypical premie mindset, and would provide an excellent case to support the fight against these irreligious fanatics.

If you want them, I can email you the whole lot or just the ones to Michael.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:55:59 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: p.s.Letters from downunder
Message:
I just visited the website of the Ipswich City Visitors and Tourist Information Center. cba, have you sent your letter to them. They list 5 conference venues in their area, including Ivorys Rock. I emailed them a request for information about Ivorys Rock. If they send me some information, I will let them know what I think. I think they should alert potential clients of Ivorys Rock that their money will be going to support the cult of Maharaji.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:15:08 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: more on Amaroo
Message:
See
Accomodation

Convention Facilities (IRCC listed under Social Venues)

Ipswich Events Corp - Events Listing for April
April, 1999 events in Queensland

Date: 23 April to 3 May 1999
Event: Heritage Week and Awards for Excellence in Heritage, Design and Environment
Location: Ivory Rock Conference Centre, Peak Crossing
Organisation: Ipswich City Council
Contact: Garth Moore, Senior Planner, Ipswich City Council
Phone: (07) 3810 6252
Email: iccplngdept@gil.com.au

EV Aust.
Since 1992, Elan Vital has hosted a number of international and
regional events at Ivory's Rock Conference Centre, a modern
outdoor facility near Brisbane, in Queensland.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:38:17 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Amaroo listed as accomodation for a Raceway
Message:
I listed 'Accomodation' in the above post but didn't know what it was about. See

Queensland Raceway - Ipswich

Accomodation

Where to stay at race time?

Local accommodation infomation is available from the Ipswich Visitors and Tourist Information Centre, on Ph. (07) 3281 0555 or visit the Ipswich Tourism Site

... Queensland Raceway has supplied this list as a starting point in your search for local accomodation. ...

CONFERENCE VENUES - RESORTS (Groups only)
Ivory's Rock Conference Centre - Ph. (07) 5464 8200

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:19:51 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: all
Subject: more on Amaroo with a description
Message:
See Australian Society for Limnology

37th Annual ASL Congress
Ivory’s Rock Conference Centre - Peak Crossing (near Brisbane)
July 3 - July 6, 1998

The venue for the 1998 congress is Ivory’s Rocks Conference Centre - it is about 45 minutes SW of Brisbane by bus and about 15 minutes south of Ipswich. ... The conference centre is set in a beautiful bushland-mountain side setting on about 1300 ha of mostly unspoiled forest, with a spectacular rock formation Ivory's Rock) overlooking the conference area. Bushwalking tracks offer magnificent views over the coastal and inland regions. There are a few natural streams (ephemeral), a permanent water hole, an artificial lake, and a couple of small dams on site to keep your interest over the weekend. July is the driest month of the year (almost), daytime temperatures should be mild, ranging from 16-20o, though it may be rather cold in the evenings, -2 to 5o, so bring warm clothes. ...

The venue has a modern conference hall that will comfortably seat 300. For parallel sessions, we will use fully equipped marquees, which can be darkened inside, and are equipped with OHPs, lecterns, etc. Accommodation is nearly all in tents - either set up by the conference centre (regular or deluxe versions) or you can bring your own tents - costs vary accordingly. The tents are twin share or single depending on how much you want to pay. A special cheap rate has been negotiated for students who want to bring their own tents. There are also twelve twin share 'pents' - these are like tents but made from wood! There is an excellent, modern amenities block and Conference Centre kitchen. The dining room also will be a large marquee and all meals will be supplied. Self-cooking is not allowed and there are no shops or cafes anywhere nearby. The camping area is about 1 km from the conference hall, and we will organise a shuttle bus service for those who are not keen on walking. For those who may need more 'robust' accommodation, Ipswich and its many motels is about 25 km north, but we do have an obligation for most people to stay on-site. ...

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 07:28:44 (GMT)
From: sam
Email: -
To: G
Subject: more on Amaroo with a description
Message:
Ive noticed how expensive it is to stay at IRCC when m is 'on site' , I wonder how much they charge for the general populace to use their do?
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:42:59 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: G
Subject: more on Amaroo with a description
Message:
I did not see these posts of yours,that is why I posted them in a new thread above, to busy searching the web, but I did find some interesting ones, The newest is IRCC web site, how did you miss that? 5 point for me.

p.s. If you want to search Australian web sites, you better use a local search engine, I found

www.webwombat.com

a good engine.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:52:17 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: webwombat
Message:
Good find mate. Yea, that's 5 points to you, I wasn't using your Aussie search engine.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 05:10:25 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Actually it should be webwombat.com.au..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:56:07 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Now we know where the Kissimmee tents went!
Message:
Remember the ones you had to buy but were 'encouraged' to leave behind after the events?

All meals supplied? Gee, not the giant dahl pots again!! No mention of the PortaLets then?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:15:32 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: Bonza!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:01:24 (GMT)
From: PCH
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: small group of christian-minded people
Message:
That IS cute! what is a christian-minded individual?
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 09:53:53 (GMT)
From: Telltale
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: worms
Message:
cba,

the more you dig into the cult, the more worms you'll find.

Did you know that cult officials are being investigated following very serious accusations of child abuse in the UK and USA?

Did you know that registered charities have been used to raise funds for the Conference Centre- which I think is a private business? This is serious abuse of charitable status.

The guru and his close followers still believe he is the Lord incarnate.

Keep up the good work

telltale

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:50:55 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: cba
Subject: All I can say is....Onward Christian Soldiers!!!
Message:
..and please keep us informed!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:59:33 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Downunder
Subject: Ah sweet irony. GO FOR IT MATE! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 06:18:39 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
Call it boredom, call it obsession, but I just delved into the archives and - get this - read every one of shroom's posts since
July 14th, when he began posting as Current & Future Premie.

Apparantly he has posted under other names, including (he says) his own, and people joked at him about it??

Anyway, what got me is the sheer volume:

He has posted no less than 28,665 words!!!

I kid you not.

The point is, when you copy them all into one document like I did, and read through them, one thing becomes glaringly obvious:-

This guy, whoever he is (and supposedly the FA's know who he is?)
has been placed on this forum by Elan Vital for the sole purpose of counteracting our entire mission here. Trust me, I am not being paranoid here - if anyone wants the entire sorry collected works of shri shroomananda I'll gladly post or email them (actually the FA would kill me if I posted 28,000 words in one go!!) and you can judge for yourselves.

He arrived around the time EV was constructing its dreadful FAQs and Reworked History. I see his appearance as part of the same offensive. Every single post without exception contains blatant satsang. He thinly disguises his contempt for us and often allows his mockery to show through with endless streams of cynical questions and jibes.

The FA's once posted that he was banned - so what happened?

I would welcome everybody's feedback (except you shroom, go fuck yourself) and feel we should treat this person's presence here as a deliberate, covert attempt by Elan Vital to force its own propoganda onto the forum.

Anybody?

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 22:08:58 (GMT)
From: Danny
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
'Call it boredom, call it obsession, but I just delved into the archives and - get this - read every one of shroom's posts '

Bored and obsessed...yes, for once you're accurate. Add attention-starved and you've got a spicy ol' gumbo, throbbing with purpose.

'He has posted no less than 28,665 words!!! This guy, whoever he is (and supposedly the FA's know who he is?) has been placed on this forum by Elan Vital for the sole purpose of counteracting our entire mission here. Trust me, I am not being paranoid here.'

Ahhh...so glad you didn't forget paranoid. And doubly heartened to know that you're on a 'mission.' And what a truly inspired mission it is!

'He thinly disguises his contempt for us and often allows his
mockery to show through with endless streams of cynical questions and jibes.'

Something you and others here, most assuredly, would NEVER resort to. Nor would I, for that matter.

Thanks for the good laugh, Rob. I hadn't checked in for a while. Just keep on talking, you're doing a great job.

Amazing how you're still, with your prattling on about Smart Cards and First Class, pretending valiantly to be some sort of Insider Premie with Insider Information, even as you so devoutly tow the company line here, espousing your hatred and disgust for/with Maharaji and premies, which you apparently discovered after expending huge amounts of energy pretending to be...what was it? Oh yes, some sort of know-it-all insider premie. Sounds like you've got a backstage pass to an empty hall.

Either people here haven't noticed that, or, far more likely, they're too kind to point it out since you've 'joined the fold.' I guess every recruit is needed.

Anyway, it's always entertaining watching you be Secret Agent Man on a mission.

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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:24:18 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Danny
Subject: Glad you enjoyed it, thanks. nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 22:49:29 (GMT)
From: Adam Moss
Email: None
To: Danny
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
I think of sharrooomm as some numb dick head, who likes premie satsangers?

It surprises me that he has reduced Rob to a blubering idiot, I think the watcher is even trying to hint that “Rob” is his real first name.

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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:26:13 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Adam Moss
Subject: Sorry...do I know you? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:46:26 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Rob
Subject: To Mush-head and O...
Message:
You're both web-and-guru addicts. At a rough guess, you spend a two-or-three-times larger chunk of your days online than under blanket. (Is communing with rotting vegetables twice as important to you as doing as much with God's living incarnation for the age?)

You can both talk Maharaji's Grace till the cows not only come home but, via slaughterhouse, supermarket and freezer, land on our dinner tables ready to carve with peas and Yorkshire pudding... So, why not, instead of cluttering up our forum, talk to each other? And I understand perfectly why you can't do that on the forum. Don't worry. We each have our 'own reality', and we have to go with that. And discussing comparative realities with premies is a problem even premies can understand - and doing it while exes are watching must bring its own bundle of neuroses.

But imagine how good it could be if nobody but premies WAS watching. You could just talk about what Maharaji 'is really saying'; no confusion or anything...

But if you can't do it on-forum you'd have to find another way of making contact, wouldn't you? Email is the obvious solution, but how to break the ice it whilst remaining anonymous? (Your problem, I guess - but, by His Grace, not insuperable..)

At least neither of you would have to paint yourselves into logical corners, as you must be tired of doing by now. Or abandoning threads when a nerve is touched - abandoning the forum, even, to reappear days later, possibly with the same alias. Or worse, reappearing days later having promised at least once not to post any more. (Have you no shame,'Shroom?)

And so much easier to be a pain when you're anonymous. (Easier to mock those who've known pain, too, have you noticed, O?)

Being in a cult made us all anonymous. I agree with Charlie. I won't be doing the anonymity thing again in a hurry. So why do you two have to be so quiet about your cult involvement?

'The Lord is here. Shout it from the rooftops'. (GMJ)

I am proud (or at least not ashamed) to be associated with all I now believe in. I can understand exes needing to be anonymous - and many for new exes both the need for anonymity, and need to be here.

You guys need neither excuse. You have no names; you live your lives under a blanket or in front of a video or travelling to events. That's your choice, but doing it here can make you look pathetic.

I suggest you'd be happier - we'd be happier - if you'd go elsewhere and talk to each other about the beauty of 'this life' and the everlasting glory of your 'master'..

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:25:33 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Forget it shroom, I'm not even gonna click on it
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:31:14 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Shroomanada
Subject: In fact, I'm preparing an email to EV
Message:
With the collected works of shroomanada, asking them to publically state whether you are speaking in an official capacity on their behalf, and suggesting that if they wish to know who is behind this wonderful PR, they contact the FAs here, or ask around Orange County, as you suggested.

We'll take any silence on their part as an admission that you are acting with their blessings.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:40:37 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: shroomanada
Subject: Why are you still posting? You are banned.
Message:
See the FAs comment below. And no, I still haven't clicked on any of your recent posts and don't intend to.

Later I'll post a copy of the letter I'm sending to EV's Complaints Dept (what a joke), so you better get all your ducks in row before one of the Honcho's figures out who you are (as if they don't already know!) and gives you a call to share satsang about your excellent Public Relations work on Maharaji's behalf.

Good luck getting back into the residence, even to pull weeds, 'pal'. (Isn't that a British expression?)

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 07:33:16 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Not yet. Why don't I get all of your posts and/or
Message:
some others (like Jim's, for example) and put them together out of context into a long tirade against Maharaji and post them here in one long post? I could title it 'An ex-premie perspective'. I wouldn't even edit out the profanity. What do you think, Rob? Would it make entertaining reading?
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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:27:36 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Feel free, Mike, I'm over you. nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 05:46:21 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Mike? Mike Who? (nt)
Message:
fff
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:35:02 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: That's another 52 words Rob (nt)
Message:
(nt)
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:13:40 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Don't forget to include some of your own 'gems',
Message:
Rob. I'm sure they'd get a laugh or two out of it. Any silence on their part will mean that they think you're an obsessed 'ex' premie cult member. Or a fool. Or both.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:31:15 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Don't forget to include some of your own 'gems',
Message:
HA!!!
thanks for that one.
oh oh, now I am in trouble :)
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:59:10 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Ooh you rebel you:)
Message:
Did you ever take up his offer of 'a feast' in San Diego? Is he a good cook?

So you like this guy or what? Just wondering.....

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:34:12 (GMT)
From: rebel rebel
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Ooh you rebel you:)
Message:
No of course I did not take him up up on
any of their, oops on his offer.
I am weird ok? but you know Rob, there is weird and then there
is weird.
Thanks for asking. hey I have my weaknesses. I am willing to accept yours;
truce????
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:04:52 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: rebel rebel
Subject: Ooh you rebel you:)
Message:
Hey selene I've never been your enemy, really , but yes truce is very welcome and returned. The FA has my current email if you feel inclined to, but its fine if not.
I have my weaknesses, but I have my strengths too, remember;)
x
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 05:16:13 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: yeah well... OK truce
Message:
but I think you have my email. If you perhaps lost it???????????
It's posted above, to bb.

I haven't had much luck with
FA's returning my email. oh well.......
thanks Rob. truce it is. As I have often said, anger takes too much energy when misdirected OR not worth it. No offense meant.
I hope you understand what I mean.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:48:18 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: He is trying to salvage the situation
Message:
in advance. Because he knows they will not replay.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:35:57 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: That should read:reply, but
Message:
replay is another thing. You will notice very soon, a totally new refreshed shroom the broom, or someone else, watch and see.
I bet you shroomji is under the blanket for a good brain wash, but who cares....
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 02:37:36 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: replay or reply? either way...
Message:
I thought it WAS a good point to bring up how someone who has gone through it would go after someone else going through it.
NOT a popular opinion, I know. oh well, I am not seeking popularity. I'd be an idiot to seek that here!! This is a place for free speech and I love that about it, warts and all.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:10:14 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: To be fair, there is a difference
Message:
I think. I mean I know what you're getting at, but when I was proactively supporting the lard, at least I got into some serious discussions with Jim and others and would concede points too, whereas shroom was immune to any and all discussion or attempts at getting him into real dialogue. All he wanted was free advertising space for his master and the cult.
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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 05:21:14 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Rob, there was QUITE a difference
Message:
Rob,

Very few premies bring their minds to this forum the way you did. Shroom's much closer to standard fare than you were. He's on automatic, as far as I can tell.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:14:28 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: If you'll permit me, Rob, I'd like to make just
Message:
one comment. If I was a premie plant, I couldn't have caused more angst here than I have, could I? Why does my commentary elicit such a response from you and others? I am simply one person who has enjoyed Knowledge and Maharaji over the years. I don't respond to every anti-Maharaji post. Just to the ones that I question the validity or motivation of. Also, to provide some balance with some of the anti-Maharaji rhetoric that spews forth from here. If you guys are so sure in your belief systems, why do I offend you?

No, Rob, I am not in collusion with anyone. I do not represent Maharaji or Elan Vital or anyone else but me. I am flattered that you would go into the archives and accumulate all my words and then read them again. I don't think that what I've said warrants such obsessive behavior, but what do I know? I'm just a simple person who has been revealed the techniques of Knowledge by Maharaji. If you find a publisher, let me know. I'd like to have an opportunity to negotiate a fee. We'll share any money. 50-50. Fair enough?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:50:44 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: get lost shroom....nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:17:57 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
Rob,

I hear what you are saying, but I stopped reading anything that guy posts weeks ago. And I have posted a lot of stuff directly critical of Elan Vital and Maharaji during that time. Shroom has never once bothered to respond or try to spin anything I said. That leaves me to believe Shroom is more interested in sparring and getting rises out of people than spinning propoganda and isn't here has a form of 'doing participation', as it it now called.

Plus, he is so ineffective, and such an embarrassment to Maharaji, premies and Elan Vital, that he is helpful in helping make the case that ex-premies are making here.

I think the only damage he might do is if he gets ex-premies focused on him, instead on the good stuff that is going on here. If he succeeds in getting us into threads like this, which are off-topic, really, and clutter up the forum and make it harder for lurkers to get good information, that would be the only damaging thing I could think of his involvement here.

And, again, I support free speech. Unless Shroom breaks the rules (and I don't know whether he has or not) I think we should let him stay and if people want to ignore him, like I do, then they can. I think this website and forum is much more powerful and holds a much higher ground by not banning people just because they use cult-speak, and they also don't have a life and can spend a lot of time spewing it here.

Just my opinion,

Joe

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:42:37 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: forumfour@hotmail.com
To: Joe
Subject: Rob / Joe
Message:
Yes, Shroom was banned a couple of months ago for several reasons. Unfortately keeping somebody blocked isn't always straightforward. (I am prepared to discuss this further by email, but would prefer not to do so here.)

FA

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:34:16 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: why NOT discuss it here?
Message:
Thanks to a year long legacy most everyone here knows about privacy software, IP masking etc.
It's why the shrooms of the world get away with what they do.
Hiding the facts isn't going to help, IMO.
But your ways have always been confusing to me, so do what
you will.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:39:29 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: why NOT discuss it here?
Message:
Basically, discussing it here means discussing it with premies - or at least making them party to informatioin disclosed and decisions taken. There are certainly some premies with more hostile intent than Shroom who might take advantage of whatever they learned, wouldn't you say?

Better safe than sorry.
FA

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:57:35 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: yes it is very public here
Message:
I did think of that. Maybe an email list of interested
and trusted parties?
It's your call, I'm just trying to help. Thanks, and I'm
glad you didn't misinterpret my intentions.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:52:32 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: yes it is very public here
Message:
No, I didn't misinterpret you, Selene. You know me by another name, as do most here.

FA

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:50:14 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Understood
Message:
Thanks Mr/Ms FA. If this person is a 'computer network' student as claimed, I guess getting around a block is child's play. Perhaps you could state again that he is not to post anymore, as he seems to have had a memory lapse? I think I will email you.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:51:19 (GMT)
From: Rated-X
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Delete all his posts
Message:
He was banned once, but came back anyway, now the FA should systematically delete his posts. What surprises me is that any ex-premie here would even bother reading his posts, never mind responding. In a thread below Rob you engaged him in a conversation. What a waste, you're too good from him Rob, let's just ignore him (it). Talking to him is like getting on all fours and barking at a dog. Pretty degrading!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:20:27 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Rated-X
Subject: DON'T delete all his posts
Message:
We need to keep up-to-date with the the latest examples of 'premie-think'.

AND - a lot of people have expended a LOT of energy refuting the standard premie apologia.

You don't mean to suggest that all THOSE threads should be censored too, do you?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:46:28 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
Whenever I read Mssr. Champignon, all I can think of is those Japanese soldiers who're discovered hiding on abandoned islands and who think WWII is still raging. Or maybe he's Piltdown Man.

He says the same thing over and over and over, to the point where I think there's something seriously wrong with him. Like he thinks none of us have ever heard his warmed over spiel a zillion times already. He must repeat himself because he thinks his words are rife with great import, and the irony is that they're like dead leaves swirling in a cemetary.

Whether self-appointed or not, he's on a fruitless mission.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:19:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: What a wonderful analogy(s), Monmot!
Message:
Yes, Shroom exhumed!

Frankly, I don't think he's anything but what he says he is, namely a premie with nothing better to do but make a fool of himself trying to -- and succeeding in -- getting a rise out of us.

Not to say that I support his unlimited 'free speech' here. I mean, enough is enough already.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 01:00:04 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It's satsang, Jim ...
Message:
... but not as we know it!

Someones or someone has failed the Turing test. Textual analysis programs may help resolve the question of number.

It's a satsang machine. That has to put up with us? Too wierd. Amanuensis. The other reason.

I think this might be very funny indeed. It might even make a book, especially intercut with home team comments.

Shroom is such a fishy character, he's the man who put the fish into superficial.

Very, very funny.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:54:31 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: I think its more than just garrulousness
Message:
When you do actually read the whole story in one sitting, the pattern emerges very strongly.

I'm working on compiling a few choice quotes to illustrate this.

In the meantime, I think a temporary solution is for everyone to simply ignore him and not give him an excuse to write more propoganda.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 14:44:27 (GMT)
From: buzz
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
are you sure he's not the MASTER in disguise!!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:42:51 (GMT)
From: Shroomananda
Email: None
To: buzz
Subject: The ultimate compliment, Buzz! Thank you so much!
Message:
But I'm just his student. I have NO aspirations to be a Master and have to put up with some of you guys.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 00:49:41 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Shroomananda
Subject: Depends what sort of master you talking
Message:
about. If you want to be a con merchant artist master, that takes training and a good period of time. If you want to become a perfect master, it is easy, learn a couple of indian words, get few bold fellow to dress up in orange, learn jibbrish and go for it.

Shroom; shroom; I am starting to worry, your days of glory have long gone, very some you will disappear a natural disappearance, and another broom will take your place. Do not break a leg going out.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:00:43 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: salam@iprimus.com.au
To: Rob
Subject: You beat me to it.
Message:
I was going to do the same, so I can build a profile on him, can you please e-mail me, saves me going through every thread.

Thanks Rod

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:10:57 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Done. nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:56:35 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Is there asuch a thing as snail e-mail?
Message:
It's been over 3 hours, I still have not got it. Give you my e-mail again just in case:

Salam_au@iprimus.com.au.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 01:02:23 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Spot the difference!
Message:
First one you gave was salam@iprimus.com.au This one has an extra '_au' on the front. Should be on its way now.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:57:33 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Ooops...nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:48:05 (GMT)
From: Super Sub
Email: None
To: Lois
Subject: Can we sqaulk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
mushroom head.
get a clue.
it's the never ending story
this is the Ted Kowsner happy hour.
some hear are in need of mental schroomage.
and your non masterfully way of taking it to the hood.
has not, will not, and should not
count, in the relative cause of it all.
take a vacation mr. mushroom
and put some bread crumbs and olive oil on yourself
and get baked.
casting a pearl, B4 a ho', will only lead to sax.
As Napolean Solo once said,
hold on BRB
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 09:06:39 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I hate to say I told you so........
Message:
And what's the solution? Ignore the moron totally. Yeah sure, some other moron will appear to take his place, (probably shroom with another name), and then we can ignore that one as well.
In my opinion the shroom's stick out like the proverbial dog's balls. I'm very pleased that someone has gone to the trouble of counting his pathetic 28,000 words. And please Rob, don't post them anywhere other than Maraji.Org.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:58:48 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: I hate to say I told you so........
Message:
Oliver wrote:
And what's the solution? Ignore the moron totally. Yeah sure, some other moron will appear to take his place, (probably shroom with another name), and then we can ignore that one as well.
In my opinion the shroom's stick out like the proverbial dog's balls. I'm very pleased that someone has gone to the trouble of counting his pathetic 28,000 words. And please Rob, don't post them anywhere other than Maraji.Org.

Rob responded:
Yes ignore him, because I have doubts the FAs will cooperate on this.

I didn't physically count every word!! Just pasted them all into a text document and read the stats. You think I should send them to EV's Feedback?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:46:18 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Send 28,000 words anywhere......
Message:
...so long as it is in the general direction of away, and preferably in the direction of the Lard:)
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:46:59 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: I'm a free speech fan, but...
Message:
...ignoring Shroom doesn't seem to work...that is, ex-premies don't seem to be able to ignore Shroom. I include myself here. Every so often I just have to ask S. a question or two. But he never answers! He's just a fucking satsang machine!

Whether he's an EV shill or just a lone premie fanatic, he's a pain in the ass, and, it should go without saying, an obstruction to the mission of this forum.

We know this 'knowledge' gives you great inner peace, Shroom. We know because WE USED TO BE PREMIES TOO! So now go the fuck away. Please.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:09:44 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Let's allow Shroom to post here the day that...
Message:
...EV let's one of us post our opinions on its site.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:49:14 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I agree and no, I don't think you are
Message:
being paranoid. Shroom is here at all hours. Often in real time. He/she/IT is offensive, abrasive and never runs out of the same tired retoric. I don't see how 'It' can hold a job unless, of course, this is 'It's' job. I'm glad you said something Rob because I have wondered the same thing myself. Although 'It' does serve the purpose of clearly illustrating what utter garbage M and his little cult really are. On the other hand there sure is alot of wasted space on the forum and lots of sidetracking, arguing because of the little shits presence.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:06:01 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I agree and no, I don't think you are
Message:
Thanks Tonette, & I'm working also on an analysis of the timing. He's said he's a computer network systems student and a nightwatchman. We'll see. I have a feeling his 'nightwatchman' job is guarding this place!! Also, for a computer geek, he has an inordinate amount of religious and spiritual books readily on hand, (including 'several copies' of Who Is Guru Maharaji and a bunch of old DLM mags, Shri Hans books etc etc), writes without any of the abbreviations or slang you would expect from someone who is used to writing code and has not made one single typo or spelling mistake (makes me think every post is carefully vetted and corrected for content first).

I'll get to the bottom of it.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:10:01 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Can we talk about shroom for a minute?
Message:
I have been watching this site for only about 3 weeks and even still I would have to agree with you. Shroom could possibley be SEVERAL premies 'doing service'. He sure spends a lot of time monitoring this site. I have looked back through the archives a bit.
Many premies using the same name, rotating turns, or one lone Shroom...it makes no difference. He still tries to highjack the thread every time and direct it back to the 'debate' over GM. EVEN after he has been told the obvious...THAT ON THIS SITE THERE IS NO DEBATE ABOUT GM. This just keeps on bringing back the whole load of propaganda into our lives...over and over and over.
And I for one do not read this site to FIND ANYMORE 'SATSANG'!!!!!!!!!I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY PREDICTABLE SATSANG BABBLE IN MY LIFE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not going to respond to him/them no matter how annoying or tempting the shit gets. This really is rude on his/their part at the very least. Like it would be to keep going onto a Jewish Cultural site and trying to bait and goad people into debating the athenticity of the holocaust. IT SUCKS BIG TIME!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 16:10:21 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: ExTex
Subject: I think its just one person
Message:
doing the actual writing, although I have felt at times he consults with his Masters for advice. Certain questions of mine seemed to block his flow and I had the feeling he was waiting for instructions.

Incidentally, I do actually think there is room for *debate* about rawat, but this guy does not *debate*, he just lays the satsang on thick regardless of the questions being put.

Ignoring them is our only option right now, unless the FAs step in.

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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:05:35 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I think its just one person
Message:
Well there is room to 'debate' about aspects and perspectives relating to waRAT, but the debate about his 'perfect knowledge and his being such a great yogic MASTER' etc...seems to be a forgone conclusion by the very name of this site. I do NOT WANT ANY MORE OF THAT 'SATSANG' IN MY LIFE....even on an ex-premie site! It is crap and I am sick of hearing it. So do I stop coming here so I can put it all behind me and not have to keep hearing 'satsang' from morons or...?? The freeze out for Shroom? What is fair? And who is being unfair?
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:17:02 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: ExTex
Subject: I think its just one person
Message:
Well once people like shroom and O have been identified for what they are, simplest thing is not to click on their posts at all. That's what I have done with shroom, so I have no clue what his last couple of posts to me said and dont give a crap. Maybe the FAs can design a satsang filter, a bit like the spam filter you get on email acounts!
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:02:24 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Spam Filter-
Message:
Satsang Filter...great comparison! Your killing me! LOL!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:51:20 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: ExTex
Subject: Time to get out the Raid-Roach Killer nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:54:59 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Shroom wins thread ratio
Message:
which includes discussions resulting from his implants.
This alone suggests he is doing 'service'-self appointed or otherwise.

I dont read his posts much or the treads laced with his comments- but I say ditch him. I trust your findings

Z

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:52:44 (GMT)
From: Super Sub
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Shroom loses thread ratio
Message:
some of us here think that schroom is his own cult.
has nothing to do with AV.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 08:20:20 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: ALL
Subject: The voice of Shroom
Message:
I have only been reading this site for a short time but I also have gone back to read a few old archive things....

Why is it that everytime I read anything written by this
Shroom
in my head I hear the words spoken in the exact voice of HAL THE COMPUTER in Kubrick's '2001'?!
'HELLOO DAVE. LET ME TELLLL YOU ABOUT THE LORD, DAVE. NOOO I CAN'T OPEN THE POD DOOR, DAVE'

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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 00:35:57 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: ExTex
Subject: The voice of Shroom
Message:
It's called *programming*.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 04:03:18 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Everyone
Subject: Results from the Poll - Maharaji is the Master!
Message:
It's been a long time since I have looked at the results to the Poll at the bottom of House of Maharaji Drek, but it looks like the Premies have really come from someone's behind and done a lot of button pushing.

Question: Which of the following best describes Maharaji?

(1844 respondents)

06% Teacher of Meditation (111)
72% Master (1328)
01% Humanitarian Leader (18)
02% God Incarnate (36)
16% Fraud (295)
02% Don't Know (36)

There it is! Maharaji is Master. And there are at least 1328 premies in the world.

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Date: Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 15:27:46 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Results from the Poll - Maharaji is the Master!
Message:
And there are at least 1328 premies in the world.

Or one premie with Repetitive Strain Injury...

Interesting that the winner ('Master') should be the term that means the least, or else has so many meanings you can just pick an interpretation to suit your taste...

'Master', could mean, for instance:

Time-served craftsman (he patented a watch, no..?)
Man in charge (they all do what he asks..)
Teacher (not that he teaches anything..)
Yogic master (not that you'll catch him at it)
Extraterrestrial despot wishing to rule the universe (a la Doctor Who's enemy, with similar ambitions..?)
Head of the clan (The Rawats)
Master baiter (fishing term..)
Jack of all trades and Master of nothing..?

etc.

But presumably he mastered something, and even managed to do it during the first eight years of his life.

That's incredible.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:35:19 (GMT)
From: Yves
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: My guess is...
Message:
a) some premies visited your site and you can be proud of that and

b) premies who visited your site probably thought that the result of polls did something to Rawat's reputation, so they voted often.

When I was a lad, I'd argue with brother. It went about like this (imagine all this in French):

Me-Yes it's true
Him-No it ain't
Me-Yes it's true
Him-No it ain't
We would then start a duel of saying 'Yes' or 'No' many times and whoever would get tired first would lose.
Do you get the Picture?

-Yes he is the lord
-No he's a fraud
-Yes he is the lord
What's the point?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:53:28 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Yves
Subject: 'Lord of Fraud'! - like it!
Message:
Nice one, Yves, 'Lord of Fraud' - yeah, got a nice ring to it.

Of course although Maharaji is not his family name, and every village pundit in India is called Maharaj Ji, I was thinking only this afternoon of what sort of 'Maha' ('great') 'Raj' ('king') he represents.

And it suddenly occurred to me that he truly IS a great king!

How so?

Well, considering he's as rich as sin, didn't inherit any significant amount of money from his parents, AND considering that he's never earned an honest day's pay in his life and only has other people to thank for donating the fruit of THEIR labour to him, it's simple really.

The guy is simply nothing more than the King of Beggars.

KING OF BEGGARS!

Ha!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 07:58:49 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: It wouldn't surprise me
Message:
If there wasn't a whole lot of 'service' going on with all that voting him into the Master slot. I know I voted 3 times maybe 4. Of course he always got my vote as a fraud. Gee, I wonder, do you suppose on the occassions Shroom isn't here in the forum It is busy stuffing the ballot box?
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 04:20:07 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Picture this scene in an old Malibu mansion
Message:
with a tired old broken down Maharaji puffing on a Marlboro attached to an elagante and long cigarette holder...

Maharaji's butler, played by Erich Von Stroheim, proudly tells young Joe Gillis, the visitor, that the Master receives hundreds of fan letters every day and is always the Master on the House of Maharaji Drek Poll.

Later Joe says, 'Oh, wake up, Maharaji, you'd be killing yourself to an empty house. The audience left twenty years ago.'

And in the final scene Maharaji says, 'And I promise you I'll never desert you again because after Phase II we'll make another video and another video. You see, this is my life! It always will be! Nothing else! Just us, the cameras, and those wonderful people out there in the dark! ...All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up.'

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:50:30 (GMT)
From: Yves' away
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: And now for the Monty Python version
Message:
Some beatnik goes up the top floor of a tall Denver building, knock at a door and the pope opens the door, ask him to wait a moment while the Guru puts on his spiritual outfit, flushes his Malboro and have a sip of Courvoisier. Next beatnik enters, pranams and falls asleep. Pope ask what to do and phone rings. God is calling. She says 'You two are out of the business' Beatnik wakes-up and halo hits him on the head. Guru and pope then pranam and ask for the sound of one hand clapping. Beatnick slaps them. And calls god asking what to do with former spiritual leaders. He hang-up, open window ans shows them out. Doorbell rings. He opens and Beatnik is at the door.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 05:24:10 (GMT)
From: non ex/non current
Email: None
To: whomeva
Subject: Results from the Poll
Message:
who shove'd a poll up Roger's place where the sun don't shine.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:11:13 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: non ex/non current
Subject: I love you, I really do. Make love not war.
Message:
Oh, Brother or Sister, surely you are in your mind if you are having such vicious thoughts about me. Yet, I appreciate that YOU ARE thinking about me because that means that you value your thoughts about me more than your desire and need to follow your Master's agya and always remember Holy Name.

Thank you, Brother or Sister. Certainly, the Master knows that you mean well.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:37:25 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: I doubt he or she was thinking much at all!
Message:
at any rate the From: field entitiled:
non ex/non current kinda narrows it down.

anyway, for what it's worth, I liked your pics and your Sunset Blvd. take off.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:03:54 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: non ex/non current
Subject: Kick me Roger To Infinity..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:36:26 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Everyone
Subject: 2 more photos and I apologize
Message:
I'm sorry, but I'm a bad person doing a bad thing. I just hope that Yves doesn't get too upset with me. Anyway, this is a photo of... Well, you look at it and tell me what you see - Seeing Things

Ok, here is a better one, I promise - PosterBoy

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:33:03 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: there's an old English song that goes like this:
Message:
(it's about seafoood, in case you were wondering)

'I can't get my winkle out
Isn't it a sin?
The more I try to get it out
The farther it goes in, oooooooh -

I can't get my winkle out
Isn't it a doer?
I can't get my winkle out
Anybody got a skewer?


(thinks - should I try and sell this to Michael Jackson?)

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:29:43 (GMT)
From: Yves' intimate friend
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Hey I know that poster boy. It is...
Message:
me.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:11:36 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: I like the pics
Message:
But just what in the HELL were we thinking? Oh that's right-We weren't suppose to think! You know the old saying 'Never Leave Room for Doubt in your Mind!'
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 08:03:35 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Is she -----
Message:
In early pregnancy or is that just gas?
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:34:37 (GMT)
From: Yves' away
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: No she wasn't
Message:
I recall the girl and those pants. She was an ashram gal where Ann Johnson was watching everything.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:45:51 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: 2 more photos and I apologize
Message:
No, I have NEVER seen an alter like that!!! And I'm glad Selene reminded me of the significance of these 'historical documents'.

And talk about giving someone the finger! ;-)

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:56:09 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: hysterical significance is more like it!
Message:
And talk about an argument for wearing bras!!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:59:51 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: hysterical significance is more like it!
Message:
Glad you said that - I actually thought of changing those letters but decided I'd better not! Are you SURE you're not practicing Santeria now! Stop reading my mind (or something! ;-)
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:43:11 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: nope didn't see a thing
Message:
:) :) I refuse to think about it if I did!!

I take it back. Soemone had more pictures than me hanging on the walls.
I was more into the flowers and altar and incense and a few special pics and some amulets - I think I really wanted to be into Santeria and didn't know it.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 20:26:00 (GMT)
From: Mrs. W C
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: nope didn't see a thing
Message:
I had all those posters and most of the photos. I still have most of them in a box somewhere. I have a HUGE framed photo from one of the premie house living rooms or ashram, buried behind the junk in my house somewhere. Who should I offer it to: my premie friends or ??? The premie friend who ditched me told me I was supposed to get rid of all the old Divine Times magazines and all the old satsangs and related stuff. I just can't let go totally of anything. I'm a hoarder who would like to change! Help!!!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:54:49 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Mrs. W C
Subject: you can send em to me
Message:
I won't keep them, but I will send them on to a good home.
one of the people keeping up one of the sites would appreciate them, I'm thinking.

Hey, my latest posts are going to make me unpopular again
:) yikes!!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 02:53:30 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: 'California IBM' Virus OT
Message:
For what it's worth, figured I should post this:

> Name: CALIFORNIA IBM
> DO NOT OPEN - DELETE IMMEDIATELY
> > Un nouveau virus a ete decouvert.
> > Il arrivera par un e-mail intitule:
> > CALIFORNIA IBM.
> > Microsoft a annonce qu'il est tres puissant, plus encore que
> > Love Letter.
> > Il n'existe aucun remede, il avale toute l'information du
> > disque dur, detruit Netscape Navigator et Microsoft Explorer.
> > N'ouvrez rien s'intitulant ainsi, et passez ce message a tous
> > vos contacts e-mail.
> > Peu de gens sont au courant, passez le message le plus rapidement
> > possible !

Rough translation:

A new virus has been discovered. It arrives by an email titled 'California IBM'. Microsoft announced that it is even more powerful than 'Love Letter'. There is no known remedy. It destroys all the information on a hard drive, and Navigator and Explorer. Don't open any email with this title, and pass this message on to all your email contacts. Few people are aware of it, so spread the word quickly!

(Let's hope it's not true.)

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:51:56 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: A real virus - Kakworm
Message:
I don't know much about this virus, but both my boss and one of my co-workers have gotten it. It doesn't even require you to open an attachment - if you even open an e-mail, it destroys your entire InBox. I don't know the details, but this is a real one, and can cause serious problems. If you can't get the fix - which apparently has to be running on real time when you check your e-mail - then save copies of your InBox if you need the e-mails in it.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:26:39 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Posters in this thread
Subject: Thanks Everyone!
Message:
I've copied all the great info and am sending to the person who forwarded the warning to me. I sent 'A customers' info last night, and got this this morning:

Yes, I was hearing over dinner that these notices should be checked out before sending on. It was Michael (I'm not sure who this is right now) who forwarded it but it did come from National Bank Financial! Michael assumed it was bona fide, I'm sure.

Again, thank you all for this education in virus threats. I will pass it on!

Stonor

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:02:45 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: The email virus myth
Message:
You can't get a virus from email itself, only from an attached exe file and then the virus is only transmitted if you actually execute the exe file, i.e. run the program.
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Date: Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 15:48:48 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: check out Bubbleboy, Davie
Message:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1433792.html?tag=st.cn.1.tlpg.1006-200-1433792
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:52:20 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: The email virus myth
Message:
Quite so, Sir Dave. Do not run (click on) an attachment you suspect is a virus.

ALSO, if you have a preview facility remember that using 'preview' runs the program and activates the virus. That's as bad as clicking on the attachment. Don't even preview an attachment you suspect may be a virus.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:09:12 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: The email virus myth
Message:
Note that most of the viruses which come as an attachement are A

VBS

Which can be seen on the attachement. Never open a VBS unless 100% it is safe.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:08:11 (GMT)
From: A Customer
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: 'California IBM' Virus OT
Message:
It's a hoax. See www.sarc.com and go to the Virus Hoaxes area.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:32:06 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: A Customer
Subject: Thanks!
Message:
Now I don't have to forward it to anyone!

What are you a customer of? No, please don't bother to answer! (or correct my grammar! ;-)

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:10:27 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: More hoax virus info
Message:
Everyone might like to be aware also of a site that calls itself
'the industry standard information source for new virus hoaxes and false alerts'.

At http://www.f-secure.com/news/hoax.htm

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:12:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: all
Subject: PS
Message:
Quoting the site:

Your search for California IBM resulted in
173 matches:

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:12:10 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: A Brand New EV FAQ and Answer.. Wonder why....
Message:
The Elan Vital website now has an entirely new FAQ and answer, having to do with complaints procedures. Wonder why? Could it be because of the allegations of child sexual molestation within Elan Vital, and the lies on the Elan Vital website that they haven't actually been reported? Want to bet about whether this FAQ and answer were written by the lawyers at the law firm of Milbank, Tweed, et. al, or not? Here it is:

DOES ELAN VITAL HAVE A COMPLAINTS PROCEDURE?

Elan Vital's policy is that everyone, whether a paid employee or a volunteer, must behave with respect and decency. Our guidelines are similar to those of any other responsible profit or not-for-profit organization. Elan Vital adheres to widely accepted practices in dealing with complaints made against any of our personnel, using established internal and external procedures.
[See also: Statement of Values]

Individuals who have specific issues or complaints about personnel involved in the activities of an organization promoting Maharaji's teachings are encouraged to address them directly in writing to that organization. Elan Vital will respond to written complaints pertaining to Elan Vital personnel that are sent through the feedback page of this website, or that are sent to the General Manager of Elan Vital at PO BOX 6130 MALIBU, CA 90264-6130 . Web feedback and letters should include specific details pertaining to the nature of the complaint. Full contact details must be provided as Elan Vital cannot respond to anonymous complaints. Within Elan Vital complaints are dealt with by the appropriate human resources personnel and will be treated with discretion.

In the event that any complaints are put forward in this way, Elan Vital will respect the privacy of the individual or individuals concerned and will not comment publicly on such matters.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:23:43 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Another Change....
Message:
It looks like Elan Vital has REMOVED the big lie on their website that no one has officially reported childhood sexual molestation within Elan Vital. It's about time. Unfortunately, instead of addressing the issue honestly, they just don't mention it at all. What a truly ethical organization!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:25:33 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: At least it looks like they removed it....
Message:
But maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. Can anyone else confirm?
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 03:01:05 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Joe
Subject: Do not know, but we need to keep copies
Message:
My present living/working situation is not allowing me to perform to my incredible level of incompetence, but someone needs to make copies of Maharaji's webpages (e.g. in IE you do menubar File/Save As) for the purpose of monitoring how much they change their double-speak.
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:36:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe, check this out --- IMPORTANT
Message:
Do you remember when I mentioned once or twice a girl in Regina, Saskatchewan who was literally raped by a mahatma? The girl, who I know, and who is the sister of a completely head-in-the-sand long-time premie 'sister' I know even better, was so traumatized that she carved an 'x' in her forehead and was institutionalized for some time afterwards. The mahatma was that fat, middle-aged pig, Trebinanand. The time was shortly after Guru Puja in Amherst, which happened in the summer of '74. I guess mahatma-Ji was inspired by Maharaji's new bride, Durga Ji, or something.

Anyway, until today I always thought that was an isolated incident. Well it turns out it wasn't.

Mahatma Ji sexually assaulted at least one other girl in Canada, an ashram 'sister', sometime in '73.

Query: Who knew? What'd they do about it?

This thing sucks.......

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 17:25:43 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, can you follow up on this?
Message:
Will will former ashram sister come forward and tell her story? Will she make an official complaint to Elan Vital?

Also Jim, Elan Vital does not claim that it is a different organization from Divine Light Mission. They claim, in fact, that Elan Vital has been around since 1971 and hence is the SAME organization as Divine Light Mission, just with a name change.

Elan Vital changed their story on this, after J-M posted California government documents showing that, indeed, Elan Vital is just DLM with a name change.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 23:53:00 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: I'm in the midst of doing just that (nt)
Message:
hhhh
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:15:27 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Jim
Subject: TELL EV!! They now PROMISE to reply...
Message:
Elan Vital will respond to written complaints pertaining to Elan Vital personnel that are sent through the feedback page of this website, or that are sent to the General Manager of Elan Vital at PO BOX 6130 MALIBU, CA 90264-6130 .

Seems like a good enough opportunity to test their integrity and good faith, no?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 15:43:23 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: So what are they going to say?
Message:
Dear Mr. Heller,

Thank you for advising us of this ugly situation that happened, if at all, many, many years ago. I can assure you that Mahatma Trebinanand is not associated with Elan Vital. Indeed, his involvment was only with the prior organization, Divine Light Mission, which, as you know, ceased to exist in the mid 1970's. Elan Vital abhors this vile conduct, if indeed it occurred. Thank you again for drawing this matter to our attention.

Sincerely,

mmmmmm

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 12:57:37 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Still waiting
Message:
Hi Nigel,

I responded to their request for feedback to the FAQs, with a long post under my own name and email, about four weeks ago. I posted my letter on the forum, under a title something like, 'Does Maharaji have a prosperous lifestyle?'

I'm still waiting for a reply, but I'm not holding my breath.

Anth the glad I brought sandwiches

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:06:08 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!!
Message:
Someone, in a satirical post from 'Elan Vital,' down below, pointed out that the Elan Vital website answers to FAQs said, on the one hand, that everyone should make up their own minds about whether knowledge works for them, and then turns around and says that the reason knowledge doesn't work for them is because they lack the effort to practice it. You know, that it's their own damn fault. Here is what the FAQ originally said:

DOES KNOWLEDGE WORK FOR EVERYONE?

We believe that people should make up their own minds as to whether or not Knowledge works for them. Knowledge is an individual and personal experience that requires commitment and continuing effort in order to fully enrich a person’s life, and not everyone is willing to make that effort. [emphasis added.]

Surprise, surprise, and if anyone had any doubt of the effect this forum and website is having, please note how this answer has been changed to this, although it doesn't make much sense (of course, that doesn't seem to matter to Elan Vital):

DOES KNOWLEDGE WORK FOR EVERYONE?

We believe that people should make up their own minds as to whether or not Knowledge works for them. Knowledge is an individual and personal experience that requires commitment and continuing effort in order to fully enrich a person’s life. If someone decides Knowledge is not for them, it is understandable that they would not want to continue with the commitment and effort necessary. [emphasis added.]

Funny how that got changed, even though it doesn't make any sense, still trying as Elan Vital does, to try to have cake and eat it too. They now admit that some people don't think knowledge works for them, but instead of saying that it's just because they are too fucking lazy to practice it, they say, that people are so fucking stupid to just decide knowledge doesn't work, and then they don't make the effort. I guess this is some improvement, but I'm not sure.

Does Elan Vital think this nonsensical answer looks like anything other than white-wash cult-think?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 21:25:05 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Ooh, they really are listening
Message:
It's kinda cute in a way. Here's my take:
ev Well, obviously you didn't try hard enough
ex EXCUSE ME, I did, but Maharaji is a liar, or at least he's got it wrong, those bogstandard meditation techniques aren't what he sells them as. It is very insulting to blame me.
ev Oh, please, keep your hair on, oh actually could you please go away and stay quiet, I won't insult you, I promise.

Now it's back to ex,
me EV, I'm glad you're listening, keep reading. Oh, but I won't stay quiet.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:30:03 (GMT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!!
Message:
DOES KNOWLEDGE WORK FOR EVERYONE?
We believe that people should make up their own minds as to whether or not Knowledge works for them. Knowledge is an individual and personal experience that requires commitment and continuing effort in order to fully enrich a person’s life. If someone decides Knowledge is not for them, it is understandable that they would not want to continue with the commitment and effort necessary. [emphasis added.]

Their answer to the question they pose here is simply -'Yes, whilst you are committed to continual practice'.
However they can't resist pointing out that people who leave don't want to make the effort etc. What they fail to address are the reasons why these people feel that Knowledge 'is not for them' and hence do not want to make efforts. There is definitely an implication that those people who 'decide Knowledge isn't for them' are lazy, rather than having more complex (and interesting) misgivings about the whole thing.

I think they are shooting themselves in the foot here because any sane person that reads this will naturally be most impressed by their odd omission of any honest and full answer to why people feel 'K is not for them'. Their reply predictably sticks to the sales pitch.

Their last sentence is ridiculously verbose and 'stating the obvious' (something premies excel in)...ie.

' If someone decides our product is not for them, it is understandable that they would not want to continue using it.'

Really? How extraordinary! No, no, surely if they decide that it is not for them, they should carry on using it.

I guess they think it's our job to explain the real reasons. They should put a link to this site!!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 19:04:02 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: How true.
Message:
DOES KNOWLEDGE WORK FOR EVERYONE?
We believe that people should make up their own minds as to whether or not Knowledge works for them. Knowledge is an individual and personal experience that requires commitment and continuing effort in order to fully enrich a person’s life. If someone decides Knowledge is not for them, it is understandable that they would not want to continue with the commitment and effort necessary. [emphasis added.]

Good point, Anon. What's so bizarre about the above statements is that the last sentence makes no sense whatsoever, and doesn't even follow from the first statements, unless you are a premie or an ex-premie and know that what they are really saying is that the only people who say knowledge doesn't work are lazy bastards to don't practice it. But you would have to be in the cult at some point to even see this. This is a central ideology of the Maharaji cult: that knowledge is the ultimate experience and no one who wasn't defective would ever say it didn't work for them.

But any objective person, who was just reading this for the first time, would wonder if Elan Vital just has extremely poor writing skills, or maybe that nothing about knowledge makes any sense.

From all that I've seen so far, both in what Elan Vital says on its website officially, and people like Glen Whittaker have written there, is that Elan Vital hasn't a clue how it comes accross to people outside the cult. To ex-premies they are revisionist liars, to premies, they are just being very dishonest to protect Maharaji and that's always okay, to neutral observers they are just extremely incoherent and odd.

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 18:08:25 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!!
Message:
They also say this:

'What is Knowledge?
Knowledge, as Maharaji uses the term, refers to a unique possibility of knowing oneself.
It is neither a theory, nor a philosophy, nor a religion ...'

So it's not a religion?

Why then should Elan Vital benefit from Church status with the IRS?

Hasn't ANYONE asked the IRS about this?

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 01:13:33 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The Elan Vital FAQs have CHANGED!!!
Message:
If it had said: and we support their choice not to practice Knowldege.. we would have known for sure it was Shroom!!
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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 00:41:28 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Good work finding that
Message:
It's so funny that they'll lurk ehre, monitor, spy, whisper, whisper, but when you try to reach them they're never, ever there. Imagine, a press kit with a number that's never answered!

Cowardly, stupid jerks. Is that abusive? Good!

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Date: Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 13:13:33 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Where is gerry when you need him?..nt
Message:
nt
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