Forum V: Archive
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From: Oct 31, 2000 To: Nov 09, 2000 Page: 5 Of: 5


Salam -:- FA: In the name of the internet God -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:55:01 (GMT)
__ Forum Administrator -:- What do others here think? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:29:55 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- I think he's a premie ... -:- Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 00:28:55 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- spam. disruptive,not an ex,raiding -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 05:50:49 (GMT)
__ __ Coach -:- Bin 'im -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 23:55:29 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- We all defended the Maha ... once -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:23:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- disagree cq -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:28:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- I've just read that thread ... -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:57:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I suspect he'll disappear for a while -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:01:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- He just did and just did... -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 22:50:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- He's watching his jackanory videos (nt) -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 01:10:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- 'Time to go home... -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:24:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'Perhaps the little house knew something about it' -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 17:25:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Last line from last line of Bill and Ben (nt) -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 22:02:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Well shobbalobb-me-up Scotty (nt) -:- Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 14:16:00 (GMT)
__ __ And On Anand Ji -:- What do others here think? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 18:20:37 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- djuro is spamming -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:49:03 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Get rid of the Jesus freak too, please -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:19:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Get rid of the Jesus freak too, please -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:40:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- I prefer to give them the boot then a warning -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:07:44 (GMT)
__ __ G -:- a warning, then do something -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 15:33:49 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Nice seeing you. -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:51:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- and me, silent reader. DJuro needs a vacation -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:33:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- Add your vote to the list in above thread. -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 15:34:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ sb -:- OT Because... -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 13:21:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Oops, you are already in..nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 15:36:52 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- FA: How about a choke collar -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:45:39 (GMT)
__ a0aji -:- FA: In the name of the internet God -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 02:46:27 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- The router is already confused -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 06:45:40 (GMT)
__ Gail -:- Don't you mean SOUP DE JOUR? (nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 02:35:41 (GMT)

Michael Dettmers -:- My response to Jim -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:27:40 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- so bob was in acute (not chronic) schizophrenia -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:41:14 (GMT)
__ Michael Dettmers -:- 2nd attempt re above post -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:14:48 (GMT)
__ __ bill burke -:- 2nd attempt re above post -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:09:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Michael Dettmers -:- 2nd attempt re above post -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 05:47:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Bill.... -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:13:57 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Effects of Jonestown on M/DLM -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:01:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Michael Dettmers -:- Effects of Jonestown on M/DLM -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 06:01:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Effects of Jonestown on M/DLM -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 06:09:43 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- EMPTY POST, FA! (nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:02:03 (GMT)

Guess Who -:- Anne Johnston is currently living in Toronto -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:59:24 (GMT)
__ Gail -:- Maharaji abuses Anne again and again. -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:02:28 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Hi Gail -- OT -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:57:24 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Is this really true? -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:39:53 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- retire from what? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:35:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gail -:- retire from what?--LINT REMOVAL FROM TOWELS -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:04:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- I know you aren't kidding -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:14:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Voyeur -:- I know you aren't kidding -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:25:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- good going -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:25:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Voyeur -:- good going -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:46:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- nice cars were at a premium back then -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 22:21:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Voyeur -:- nice cars were at a premium back then -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 01:00:39 (GMT)
__ __ Gail -:- Is this really true? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:25:11 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- Anne Johnston is currently living in Toronto -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:07:46 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- not many, so fuck off..nt -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:18:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Djuro -:- not many, so fuck off..nt -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:30:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Another Lurking Poster -:- Many Thousands -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:39:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Actually -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 02:25:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Djuro -:- Many Thousands -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:48:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- now that you two know how many -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:21:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Anne Johnston -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:10:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Anne Johnston -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 19:19:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gail -:- Anne Johnston--I really like(d) her! -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 01:24:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- I liked her too, after I got to know her a little -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 23:15:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Anyone got Anne's phone number? -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:26:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gail -:- Anyone got Anne's phone number? -:- Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 03:39:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Thanks, I'll do that -:- Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 19:09:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- all those years -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 19:36:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Maybe she got her tits in a pickle -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 18:19:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Coach -:- Not wishing to be picky but.... -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 00:34:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Hey, you’r suppressing my creative writing -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 03:54:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- 'Tits in a Pickle'....never heard that one... -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 15:31:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- 'Tits in a Pickle'....always something new -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 23:31:32 (GMT)

Djuro -:- Knowledge -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:24:58 (GMT)
__ Banshee -:- ONAE/WAHADAMAR/SEVA/MILBANK -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:19:23 (GMT)
__ Coach -:- Are you just plain stupid or...... -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 00:57:07 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Brainwashing -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:30:46 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- Brainwashing -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:41:30 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Knowledge -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:13:40 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- Knowledge -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:24:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- Knowledge -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 22:07:58 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Knowledge -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:36:02 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- No answer?! -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:28:47 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Yes, here's one! -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:49:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Djuro -:- Yes, here's one! -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:55:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Yes but you missed one point, Djuro -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:10:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Djuro -:- Yes but you missed one point, Djuro -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:35:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- You actually believe that crap! (nt) -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 19:02:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- And besides before that lifetime Sir Dave -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:29:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- That was when I lived in your kitchen (nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:01:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- How about when you were a flea, remember that?..nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:24:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Don't forget dust mites under his lotus feet:)))nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:27:15 (GMT)
__ __ Another Lurking Poster -:- An Answer -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:34:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Djuro -:- An Answer -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:44:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- A question -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:08:20 (GMT)

Gregg -:- Sai Baba -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 21:24:22 (GMT)
__ Peter Howie -:- Sai Baba -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:04:34 (GMT)
__ __ Pussy Galore -:- Sai Baba -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:34:24 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- Our Guru was never that talented! nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:19:19 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- Sai Baba -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:52:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ janet -:- our guru created something from nothing... -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 06:43:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Sai Baba -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:40:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Sai Baba -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 22:32:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- But he can't (nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:04:20 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- Sai Baba -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 21:54:41 (GMT)
__ __ Gregg -:- Do I know Sai Baba? What is your point? Write! nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:33:28 (GMT)

Marshall -:- Desperate Propagation -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 20:45:41 (GMT)
__ Darren Beadman -:- There's a Rainbow in my Sky:):) -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:49:33 (GMT)
__ bill -:- You are welcome to marry my niece! Your great-nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:19:21 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- One thing on your side -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:35:09 (GMT)
__ gerry -:- Desperate Propagation -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:09:11 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Furthermore, -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:41:28 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Furthermore, -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:15:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Djuro -:- Furthermore, -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:06:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- DJ,DJ........ -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:24:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- Do you have a problem understanding what -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:45:15 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- Furthermore, -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:53:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- And? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:27:20 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- Desperate Propagation -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:40:46 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Desperate Propagation -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:07:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Djuro -:- Desperate Propagation -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:01:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- I know. -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:23:05 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- I'm so sorry Marshall -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 21:48:17 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- Are you realy sorry? -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:59:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- Are you realy real? -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:22:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Djuro -:- Are you realy real? -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:39:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- look DJ -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:47:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Djuro -:- look DJ -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:58:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ana T -:- Wahadamar and Onae - What Time is it? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 23:10:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- M's watch collection is creepy -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 23:18:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Yes she is thinking straight and David is a man -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:20:40 (GMT)

Sir Dave -:- Mike Dettmer's got his own directory -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 10:40:55 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Since everyone here just loves him so much -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 14:53:33 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- You're impossible, TonetteHave you -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 17:53:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Hey Jim go abuse someone else -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 09:36:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Six years of college???????????? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:28:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- More mockery -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 09:25:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ curious observer -:- More mockery/What's in it for you Tonette? -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 23:56:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's pretty darned hypocritical, Tonette -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 20:41:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Look who is talking?....nt -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:37:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- You're impossible, TonetteHave you -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:37:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- You're impossible, Tonette -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:55:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- You might not respect her opinion, Jim ... -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:37:45 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Since everyone here just loves him so much -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 15:27:12 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Thank you. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:17:44 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Not really because -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 15:22:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Thank you Sir Dave.... -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:20:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Thank you Cynthia -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:57:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Hey, you get those too ?!? -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:25:37 (GMT)

suchabanana -:- New pages here: m. planes fund-raising appeals -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:09:46 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Heliport section updated today -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:38:45 (GMT)
__ __ suchabanana -:- Page looks really good.LA exes: Malibu PHOTOS?! -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 00:46:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ someone near enough -:- i have it mapped for driving..maybe I can -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 08:35:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ suchabanana -:- you can drive up to electric security gate, + walk -:- Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 20:34:46 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Pic of the Malibu Mansion and private Heliport -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:58:00 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- where in the image is it?? which box?? -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:43:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- NO jokes about women and map-reading, I promise -:- Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 18:20:16 (GMT)
__ such -:- http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/lear55.htm and -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 17:26:48 (GMT)

Lotus Eater -:- Bike Line, a story. -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 21:59:27 (GMT)
__ Gail -:- Bike Line, a story. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:59:24 (GMT)
__ Scott T. -:- Bike Line, a story. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:12:06 (GMT)


Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:55:01 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: FA: In the name of the internet God
Message:
Can you do something about Djuor.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:29:55 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: What do others here think?
Message:
I could certainly do something - and the choke-collar would be the obvious solution.

Is Djuro's style of posting becoming TOO disruptive?

Thoughts welcomed.

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Date: Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 00:28:55 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: I think he's a premie ...
Message:
... and I've avoided his posts. I didn't think it was possible, but it is. I can't tell you how pleased I am. Djuro, who 'dat?!

Heh! Sling him off anyway.

But do it in a caring sort of way. I'm begining to think that Scott T is entirely right about 'soak time', you know. Like it's not what we say to these people that matters. What matters is that they see the discussions and read the words, and eventually the good humour and sound common sense (what else can possibly explain it?) of the home team breaches their dam of unreason.

Djuro, stick around, albeit a lot more respectfully. We've all dreamt impossible dreams. Don't let the loss of THAT get to you overmuch -- it's only castles burning.

(Crumbs. JohnT develops compassion for premies. This forum does wierd things to people alright!)

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 05:50:49 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: spam. disruptive,not an ex,raiding
Message:
i vote to remove
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 23:55:29 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Bin 'im
Message:
Yeah, I just read some of this guy's posts. We have a severely malfunctioning brain here. EXTERMINATE with great speed. He's is not posting with any attempt to communicate at all. One line wind up's from a guru freak.

Coach

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:23:33 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: We all defended the Maha ... once
Message:
If the posts of people like Djuro are getting up people's noses, then at least give him/her directions to another site (like Recent Exes, or Anything Goes, which has been pretty quiet of late) where the process of working this whole number out can continue.

For all we know he/she's about to chuck the whole Maha trip and is just giving the standard premie apologias in the hope of getting an alternative feedback on them.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:28:21 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: disagree cq
Message:
I was totally pissed off at the way Dj fucked up Marshall's post.
but even so I tried to talk to him.
Read the thread. I *did* try.
this poster is not interested in communicating, IMO.
Ever hear the saying?:
fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me
These types need to make an effort to talk, not one liner quips but TALK. He has had many chances.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:57:47 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I've just read that thread ...
Message:
... and I see what you mean about the one-liner quips.

I guess the question is ... how much rope do you give someone who's determined to tie themselves up in knots? Which Djuro will do, if he/she continues in that vein (albeit very small knots).

Hmmmm. Time for Djuro to open up I think. Or, as they say, 'shit or leave the pot'

(...thinks - wasn't the pot on the Maha's opening webpage?)

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:01:44 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: I suspect he'll disappear for a while
Message:
And come back in the same mode.
oh well. Thanks for reading and hearing what I had to say.
Marshall's thread meant a lot to me and I am glad others got a chance to answer him without getting spammed as I did.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 22:50:44 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Selene
Subject: He just did and just did...
Message:
Quit on Tuesday and returned on Wednesday (Shroom / Bjorn / SHP style)...

I notice he's added not a peep, sqeak or pithy (pith-poor?) one-liner to this particular thread, which is unusual - but perhaps I speak too soon.

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 01:10:21 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: He's watching his jackanory videos (nt)
Message:
a
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:24:19 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: 'Time to go home...
Message:
Time to go home,
Djuro is waving goodbye...'

(But perhaps the little house knew something about it..)

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 17:25:07 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: 'Perhaps the little house knew something about it'
Message:
Wow! did that just bring back a long-forgotten memory.

Andy Pandy and Teddy, wasn't it? (I've always thought Tony Blair reminded me of Andy).

And the little house! It somehow spooked me a bit, even at that young age. I mean, how could a house know anything?

One of life's big mysteries.

But ... thanks for the memory, Nigel.

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 22:02:52 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Last line from last line of Bill and Ben (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 14:16:00 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Well shobbalobb-me-up Scotty (nt)
Message:
flobalob
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 18:20:37 (GMT)
From: And On Anand Ji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: What do others here think?
Message:
Definitely use your discretionary powers if you have any! I think anyone (myself included) should be on notice to stay within a range of content and decorum.

I don't read enough of the blather to have specific opinions on anyone's posting other than the usual wishing about 1/4 of the personas would just go away. :) I can't recommend specific removals.

Warning them via e-mail would be a good extra step to take before banning them. First banning could be for 90 days, second for a year. Give them an e-mail address to which to appeal. Any interesting appeals could be posted to the forum.

Those are suggestions only; I'm not attached to them in any way :)

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:49:03 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: djuro is spamming
Message:
the JC freak is spamming too.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:19:33 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Get rid of the Jesus freak too, please
Message:
No content, just stupid preaching. Hey, if we're lucky the ACLU will sue us.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:40:21 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: FA
Subject: Get rid of the Jesus freak too, please
Message:
If someone is being disruptive for a long time and has nothing to say, give them a warning, then the boot.

As far as Jesus freaks and bible thumpers, give the boot, like immediately, IMO. I hate that crap.

Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:07:44 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: I prefer to give them the boot then a warning
Message:
but then that's redundancy.

Hmmmmmmm.

better think of better plan.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 15:33:49 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: a warning, then do something
Message:
Djuro barely communicates, many of Djuro's posts are only spam. A vacation and/or limits are in order. A warning would be polite, though I doubt it will be heeded.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:51:53 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Nice seeing you.
Message:
Well you can see how he is sticking his nose everywhere. Not able to finish a sentance or asking stupid question. Not sure what his story is but he has managed to piss off few people including

me,Selene,hamzen,G,Jim,Gerry,Gail,Tonette,aOji,Joe,him,her,he and them.That is 35 people all together, what else do you want????

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:33:27 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: and me, silent reader. DJuro needs a vacation
Message:
Let DJuro take a vacation.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 15:34:33 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Add your vote to the list in above thread.
Message:
Silent reader??
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 13:21:15 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: OT Because...
Message:
Because I often read but dont post.
;)
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 15:36:52 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Oops, you are already in..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:45:39 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: FA: How about a choke collar
Message:
fashioned like the one you created for Shroom?

More than a third of the posts in the thread below are his. That would be allright if Djour was actually communicating but he isn't. He's just heckling and he's obviously bored with lots of time on his hands.

Just my opinion, Tonette

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 02:46:27 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: FA: In the name of the internet God
Message:
I don't know if the FA can hear your prayer, but the Internet God cannot.

'The Internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.' Those are the words of an Internet God, who's name escapes me at the moment.

Think it is John Gilmore.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 06:45:40 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: The router is already confused
Message:
and your are making it worst.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 02:35:41 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Don't you mean SOUP DE JOUR? (nt)
Message:
zip nada none
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:27:40 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Everyone
Subject: My response to Jim
Message:
Jim,

In a thread below, you ask me “to comment on how Mishler, in particular, reconciled whatever residual faith he had in Maharaji's divinity with the prospect that he was 'out of control'. Did you guys ever talk about that? It sounds as if the more time people spent with Maharaji, the more that Three-O mystique (omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient) got back-burnered. In a way, life was much simple for us troops in the field, wasn't it?”

Bob and I had many conversations and the context for most of them was his commitment to the “mission” -- and I don’t mean Divine Light Mission, I mean Maharaji’s declared mission to bring peace to the world. This was something Bob cared deeply about, as did I. Bob didn’t really care that much about personally realizing knowledge. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t meditate. He was convinced that knowledge was the answer and that Maharaji was the chosen one who incarnated to bring knowledge to the world. His focus, however, was not on his own personal quest for spiritual enlightenment. As far as he was concerned, that could wait until he got old and/or died (the latter coming too soon, unfortunately). The real action and opportunity while in human form was in “service” to Maharaji. And he firmly believed Maharaji had that special something capable of touching people’s hearts and awakening them to their highest selves. But to Bob that special something didn’t need to be labeled “god” or “Lord of the Universe.” In fact, he became convinced in 1976 that it was counter-productive for Maharaji to present himself in this way because it was too big a leap for most people to make and it was entirely unnecessary in his opinion.

If you can get a hold of any of Bob’s satsangs during 1973 – 1976, and several were published, you will clearly get the gist of what I am talking about. Bob did what all good leaders do and that is he created a context for his listeners to see the relevance of what he was saying in their own lives. He made Maharaji real, relatable and accessible to those who did not spend any time with Maharaji and that in itself was very inspiring. When Bob spoke, people didn’t feel they were missing anything. Instead he made them feel they were part of a wonderful adventure because he made service to Maharaji seem pragmatic, actionable and meaningful. That is why I respected him (Bob) so much.

It made perfect sense to Bob that Maharaji manifested at such a young age because the task he faced was enormous and there was no time to waste. There can be no doubt that he most probably projected his values regarding the use of time, money and resources onto Maharaji. Thus, Maharaji’s excessive personal use of resources that Bob felt were intended to further the mission, and not for Maharaji’s personal pleasure, was a constant source of tension and confusion for him. And he became intolerant when one of the mahatmas tried to placate this frustration with the platitude “Oh, that’s just Guru Maharaji Ji’s lila.” He told me how sick he was of hearing that bullshit excuse for every irrational act he attributed to Maharaji. More than once in our conversations he would say in utter frustration, “When the hell is he ever going to get serious about his work?”

Hope this sheds some light on your question, Jim.

Michael

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:41:14 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: so bob was in acute (not chronic) schizophrenia
Message:
Believe in the goal but question the leader. and try to serve.
Sounds like my job but at least I don't have to deal with my boss claiming to be god and I also get paid.

shit Bob may as well have joined the Peace Corps.
What a waste and what a fuck wad M is and was.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:14:48 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Jim
Subject: 2nd attempt re above post
Message:
Jim,

In a thread below, you asked me “to comment on how Mishler, in particular, reconciled whatever residual faith he had in Maharaji's divinity with the prospect that he was 'out of control'. Did you guys ever talk about that? It sounds as if the more time people spent with Maharaji, the more that Three-O mystique (omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient) got back-burnered. In a way, life was much simple for us troops in the field, wasn't it?”

Bob and I had many conversations and the context for most of them was his commitment to the “mission” -- and I don’t mean Divine Light Mission, I mean Maharaji’s declared mission to bring peace to the world. This was something Bob cared deeply about, as did I. Bob didn’t really care that much about personally realizing knowledge. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t meditate. He was convinced that knowledge was the answer and that Maharaji was the chosen one who incarnated to bring knowledge to the world. His focus, however, was not on his own personal quest for spiritual enlightenment. As far as he was concerned, that could wait until he got old and/or died (the latter coming too soon, unfortunately). The real action and opportunity while in human form was in “service” to Maharaji. And he firmly believed Maharaji had that special something capable of touching people’s hearts and awakening them to their highest selves. But to Bob that special something didn’t need to be labeled “god” or “Lord of the Universe.” In fact, he became convinced in 1976 that it was counter-productive for Maharaji to present himself in this way because it was too big a leap for most people to make and it was entirely unnecessary in his opinion.

If you can get a hold of any of Bob’s satsangs during 1973 – 1976, and several were published, you will clearly get the gist of what I am talking about. Bob did what all good leaders do and that is he created a context for his listeners to see the relevance of what he was saying in their own lives. He made Maharaji real, relatable and accessible to those who did not spend any time with Maharaji and that in itself was very inspiring. When Bob spoke, people didn’t feel they were missing anything. Instead he made them feel they were part of a wonderful adventure because he made service to Maharaji seem pragmatic, actionable and meaningful. That is why I respected him (Bob) so much.

It made perfect sense to Bob that Maharaji manifested at such a young age because the task he faced was enormous and there was no time to waste. There can be no doubt that he most probably projected his values regarding the use of time, money and resources onto Maharaji. Thus, Maharaji’s excessive personal use of resources that Bob felt were intended to further the mission, and not for Maharaji’s personal pleasure, was a constant source of tension and confusion for him. And he became intolerant when one of the mahatmas tried to placate this frustration with the platitude “Oh, that’s just Guru Maharaji Ji’s lila.” He told me how sick he was of hearing that bullshit excuse for every irrational act he attributed to Maharaji. More than once in our conversations he would say in utter frustration, “When the hell is he ever going to get serious about his work?”

Hope this sheds some light on your question, Jim.

Michael

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:09:57 (GMT)
From: bill burke
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: 2nd attempt re above post
Message:
Thanks again Michael,

Nowadays, according to elan vital, instead of calling it 'guru maharaj ji's lila', they say proudly in thier description of him,
that he has a 'total disregard for EVER doing what is expected.'

Here is another elan vital quote. 'However, even when he's had to take someone to task, he ALWAYS follows up with a reassurance that mistakes happen not because people are stupid or incapable,
just that they have forgotten to be concious of thier actions'

Even just being a premie and hearing grapevine and watching videos for decades, I never got the impression that he couched his blasts with pats on the back.

Is elan anywhere near accurate on this?
Does the comment about 'total disregard for EVER...' feel like the body blow that it did to me when I first heard it?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 05:47:20 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: bill burke
Subject: 2nd attempt re above post
Message:
Bill,

To me statements such as “Maharaji has a total disregard for EVER doing what is expected” simply feeds into the traditional mythology of the guru as someone who does whatever is necessary to short circuit our rational minds, which they claim is a necessary step towards realization. If you accept that then you will surrender to your guru and rationalize any actions s/he may take as a gift and a blessing.

What often occurs, however, is that you expose yourself to incredible abuse resulting in the loss of your dignity, sense of identity, self-esteem, financial resources, and sometimes even your life. Except for losing our physical lives, I think we all have had a taste of that to varying degrees with Maharaji. But that’s only when it suits him. When he prepared his plane for take-off, he meticulously did exactly what was “expected” in the pre-flight check every single time without exception.

So Élan Vital, in my opinion, is speaking out of both sides of its mouth with that quote. On the one hand, they are, in effect, saying that Maharaji fulfills that traditional interpretation of the guru’s role and, on the other hand, they deny that Maharaji is running a cult which is what any guru worshiping organization is.

I have no idea why Élan Vital would even address the issue of Maharaji taking anyone to task and then reassuring the person that mistakes happen. Is this an advertisement for a kindergarten, designed to reassure parents that their children will be properly disciplined but with care by the head master? Seriously, I can only assume that they were trying to mitigate the damage created when (ex)/premies reported being at the negative affect of one of Maharaji’s tirades.

Michael

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:13:57 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: bill burke
Subject: Bill....
Message:
Did you get my email?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:01:34 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: Effects of Jonestown on M/DLM
Message:
Michael: The mass suicide at Jonestown happened on November 18, 1978. This would put you in the center of things at that time. Could you tell us what discussions, if any, happened within DLM and with M about that event? Did the mass suicide give you personally any pause about your devotion to M?

Peoples Temple and DLM shared many similarities.

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 06:01:50 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Marianne
Subject: Effects of Jonestown on M/DLM
Message:
Marianne

I remember hearing about Jonestown during one of Maharaji’s festivals in Orlando. Of course, I was shocked and horrified by the accounts that trickled out over a period of days. However, this was not a topic of conversation with Maharaji as far as I know.

I did discuss Jonestown with many people at the festival but, at that time, I/we could not even imagine that there were any parallels between Maharaji and Jim Jones. As far as I was concerned, such an incident could never happen with Maharaji and his followers. That is why your recent post was so enlightening.

Michael

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 06:09:43 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: Effects of Jonestown on M/DLM
Message:
Based on spending over two years and two trials involved in the case, I can tell you that there are more similarities than differences between Peoples Temple and DLM/EV.


Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:02:03 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: FA
Subject: EMPTY POST, FA! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:59:24 (GMT)
From: Guess Who
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Anne Johnston is currently living in Toronto
Message:
RE: Michael Dettmers' comments

In the mid-80s, Anne Johnston, a Canadian initiator, was 'fired' due to her fanatical devotion. Despite abandoning her family and wealth in the early 70s, to dedicate herself to the ashram/ initiator lifestyle she was given no assistance to reintegrate into mainstream society when Maharaji was finished 'using her.'

She had to beg other premies for money (after all, they did owe St. Anne), but refused to collect welfare because it might reflect negatively on Maharaji. She did retrain to become an interior designer. Her advanced age (late fifties) precluded her from advancing in this field. A few well-to-do premies were pretty much her only clients.

In February of 1997, Anne was granted the joyful service of doing the Rawat family's laundry for a pauper's wage. (This didn't deter her from buying him silk ties and making donations, of course.) She did have to walk a long way from her trailer (which she shared). One time, Amar, MJ's youngest child, insisted she wash his sheets even though she had a plane to catch. Of course, she surrendered to the boy's will, did his bidding and scrambled for the plane to England to see her Lord.

Now at the age of 63 (soon to be 64) she has been relegated back to Canada. Maybe it was in the Lord's best interest to have her come home to her pension. After all, there is always another blissful sucker crying for service (younger and more voluptuous at that!).

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:02:28 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Guess Who
Subject: Maharaji abuses Anne again and again.
Message:
Maharaji loves to abuse the ones he supposedly holds dearest to his heart--his true devotees. Speaking of which, how about this one:

Anne Johnston and Elliot Brye were given an all-expense vacation in Miami Beach circa 1979-80 because Maharaji felt they deserved a rest from their hectic schedules as initiators. They had a room in the flea-bag hotel (Maharaji owned I think) and were given $5 a day to feed themselves and purchase toiletries, etc. Being resourceful, they dug around produce-trash dumpsters at grocery stores--talk about day-olds. This way, they could take buses to satsang and continue to tithe and not starve.

If that isn't the practical solution, I don't know what is.

So much for 'I think happiness is the practical solution.' He should have said money and slavery are the only way to go!

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:57:24 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Gail
Subject: Hi Gail -- OT
Message:
Hey there, Gail! Long time, no read!!!! Great to see you back. How are things going with you? Email me and tell me what has been happening in your life.


Love, Marianne

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:39:53 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Guess Who
Subject: Is this really true?
Message:
Wow. That must be a real let-down for Anne? When did this happen? Do you know how Anne feels about it? Is Anne now going to retire?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:35:44 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: retire from what?
Message:
doing laundry for a fake god? It sounds like she has already retired. I don't know finances like you do and don't know how Canada deals with retirees of the LOTU but my guess is she is living on a small pension from the state, or country whatever.
I think it's sad. MD made out better than some.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:04:22 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: retire from what?--LINT REMOVAL FROM TOWELS
Message:
No kidding, Selene. Remember him telling her to take the lint off his towels.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:14:07 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I know you aren't kidding
Message:
I never felt the wrath of Anne so I don't have any history with her. I hear she was a piece of work.
She made her choices but it's a pathetic story.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:25:47 (GMT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I know you aren't kidding
Message:
I had the 'privilege' of driving her in London for a few days, must have been in the early '80s and I can confirm - she was a piece of work. At one point (after she had insisted I break the speed limit) I stopped the car by the side of the road and asked her if she would like to proceed within the speed limit or get out and walk...as a 'private citizen' I could do as I liked. She went quiet at that point and probably reported me to whatever powers there were at the Chiswick ashram.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 20:25:04 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: good going
Message:
I hope she didn't proposition you on the way.
oops.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:46:17 (GMT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: good going
Message:
No, (thank God) I had already been berated by her in one of her 'knowledge review' sessions and I was very wary of her. Having read todays entries on this thread I now realize that I was asked to drive her because I had a 'nice car'. Shame for her that she got me with it!!!
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 22:21:21 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: nice cars were at a premium back then
Message:
'Every premies dream' -- a quote by the then Phoenix coodinator:
'To have a car that would make it from Phoenix to LA'

well I have one now. I prefer San Diego.

My worst k review was given by what's his name, David Smith?
or the other guy that looked or acted like him - Arthur? (bad memory) but I do
remember geting singled out and screamed at for trying to draw the attention of the whole room away from it's true purpose. I never understood why or what I had done wrong except cough and sneeze a lot because I was sicker than a dog but went anyway because it was expected of me.

or was it that danskin I wore strait from dance class? yes I went to dance first even though I was sick. bad bad Selene.

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 01:00:39 (GMT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: nice cars were at a premium back then
Message:
Well I think in Anne Johnson's (Johnston?) case it was part of her act. She was attempting to intimidate everyone who had dared to come to the session. However no one could intimidate me on that front because in my knowledge session in early 72 with Charanand I was dying to pee for the full six hours of the knowledge session but didn't dare get up to relieve myself in case he/they didn't let me back into the room again! If that wasn't commitment I don't know what was!
And I have a better car now too!
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:25:11 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Is this really true?
Message:
I heard this, too! She's been back since the spring, according to a reliable source.

You're right. It must be a letdown for her.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:07:46 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Guess Who
Subject: Anne Johnston is currently living in Toronto
Message:
How many premies there are around the world?
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:18:32 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: not many, so fuck off..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:30:09 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: not many, so fuck off..nt
Message:
How many? 1? 2? 3?
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:39:59 (GMT)
From: Another Lurking Poster
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Many Thousands
Message:
There are many thousands of people who practice Knowledge in all parts of the world.

But not Knowledge is not for everyone. It is only for those who are interested in it. And for those who practise it.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 02:25:07 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Another Lurking Poster
Subject: Actually
Message:
There are a FEW thousand premies in North America, a FEW thousand premies in Europe, a FEW thousand premies in South America and Australia and perhaps, perhaps, 'many' thousands of premies in India, although in India, Maharaji is still a 'Guru' and many, many people in India have SEVERAL 'Gurus', if not more, so it's quite a different thing there.

Now, MANY thousands of people in North America and Europe have received knowledge over the years, but only a relative handful still consider themselves premies.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:48:37 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Another Lurking Poster
Subject: Many Thousands
Message:
Nice answer. Thank you.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:21:16 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: now that you two know how many
Message:
You can both fuck off
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:10:19 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Anne Johnston
Message:
My only close contact with Anne was in Gainesville when she came to stay for a week or two. Anne was still full time initiator. She lived in the sisters ashram and most of us steered clear of her--she scared a lot of us.

It's sad to know she's still hanging in there, but I have to say she was quite strange. All the women in the ashram would laugh behind her back because she was SO DEVOTED she did things like wearing a bra underneath her nightgown--we all dropped our jaws at that one. She said it was not just for modesty, but to prevent sexual feelings from turning into action.

Very sad and strange....

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 19:19:59 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Anne Johnston
Message:
Anne did have a zealous, really rather sick and puritanical, devotion to Maharaji, but to round out the picture, Anne also used her position as initiator, and her fanatical devotion, to get things she wanted for herself.

For example, she cooked up this idea, very self-serving actually, that serving the initiator allowed premies to do service to Maharaji. So, she would get waited on and revered, and she rationalized all this as giving the opportunity for 'service' to Maharaji.

An example of this was Anne's wardrobe. Not only was she constantly getting premies to give her money so she could buy expensive clothes for herself, she also had premies in the community make her clothes after the premies would purchase expensive fabric and accessories. She also demanded to be chauffered wherever she wanted to go, at any time, and only certain cars were considered 'good enough' for Anne. Also, she would only eat off certain kinds of china (she would not eat off eathware or pottery kinds of plates, etc.) and drink out of certain quality glassware.

So, in a sense, Anne was getting something out of her role as well. I do feel sorry for her though, the way Maharaji ruined her life.

I talked with Anne a lot, and she actually felt extremely guilty for abandoning her family, including her children for obvious reasons, in order to drop everything and devote herself entirely to Maharaji. I think her fanaticism was party a way to repress those feelings.

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 01:24:02 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Anne Johnston--I really like(d) her!
Message:
Anne was always really nice to me. I liked her a lot. I don't expect to ever see her again, mind you. She doesn't seem to hang out with exs.

She had some flaws as we all do, but she really did mean well, however misguided she was (is).

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 23:15:27 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I liked her too, after I got to know her a little
Message:
If you weren't intimidated by Anne and told her off once in a while, she was really okay. I was just saying that Anne certainly wasn't completely selfless, and got treated the way she wanted partly by intimidating lowly premies. If there weren't intimidated, Anne was really okay because she had to drop the pretense. She was okay, nuts, but okay. I really feel sorry for her. Maharaji should be persecuted for what he did to Anne.
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:26:36 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Anyone got Anne's phone number?
Message:
Anne and I go back to the Lowther ashram in Toronto (which I went and looked at this summer. Gone is the front lawn -- it's all one of those gravel kind of things. The place looks like it's a very nice, character apartment block now). We always got along, largely because we enjoyed teasing each other. Can't remember what she teased me about (yeah, I know) but I always teased her as being a bit of a religious freak. And yes, to her credit, she usually took it.

Then there was the phenomenon of Anne becoming an instructor. Which meant saint. In particular it meant saint because Maharaji had made such a point, from time to time, as he was wont to do with various premies, of dropping hints that they were spiritually advanced, special somehow. Anne was the recipient of that kind of nonsense and, naturally, in a cult where we literally breathed for nothing but that kind of bullshit, it natuarlly went to her head.

So once Anne became a saint and started touring she'd come to whatever city I was stationed in from time to time. I have to say that in the end, in Calgary, I was barely going through the motions. Anne saw that and, to her credit, one night walking to satsang or back (can't remember), she urged me to just do what I thought would make me happy. If it meant leaving, leave.

Now what's NOT clear is whether she really believed I'd take that bait or if she rather thought that I was still so deeply programmed in 'the truth' that I'd always know there was nothing but darkness and maya out there. But that's what she said anyway.

I'd love to talk with her again if anyone knows how. Honestly.

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Date: Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 03:39:35 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Anyone got Anne's phone number?
Message:
Phone Michael in London--you've got his number. If not I'll give it to you. He is in frequent contact with her, I believe. It is also possible that she's listed in the phone book. Check TO for new listings.

How ya doin'?

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Date: Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 19:09:25 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Thanks, I'll do that
Message:
And I'm fine, thanks. Too bad we never got to meet this summer. Maybe next time.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 19:36:40 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: all those years
Message:
when I thought I was missing out on something crucial and vital.
Raising children and trying to make money to support ourselves while the Anne's of the world did true meaningful service.

And now I see how I could have gone the Anne J route.
Thanks Joe. I really appreciate this look into the other side.
yuck. I feel lucky.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 18:19:15 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Maybe she got her tits in a pickle
Message:
that is why?
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 00:34:11 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Not wishing to be picky but....
Message:
Salam,

I'm not entirely sure if 'she got her tits in a pickle' is quite the correct usage. 'Knickers in a twist' is considered OK in some cultures. However, who am I to stifle the creative writing of the forum? Some of your phrases are quite priceless. Keep 'em coming.

With the greatest respect, Anne Johnson was a first class bitch and pain in the neck who caused a lot problems in the lives a many people I knew. Fuck her an' the horse that rode her.

Coach

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 03:54:22 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Coach
Subject: Hey, you’r suppressing my creative writing
Message:
What is wrong with pickled tits. I've heard 'getting yourself in a pickle', so why not getting your tits in a pickle. If you can become a pickle then surly your tits (if you have any)are in it too. I think I am taking this with FA. I WANT MY RIGHTS.
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 15:31:17 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: 'Tits in a Pickle'....never heard that one...
Message:
before. I think Anne really believed she was a saint. That Gainesville stay was my only close contact with her and she always had us 'on our toes.' Chop Chop!!

In Gainesville, a few of us (the ashram girls) were quite a silly bunch, and some of the time we had a lot of fun, particularly at Anne's expense. But never in front of her. She really scared us because she expected us to behave, well, like her.

I also remember her being quite particular about everything and looking back she was very oppressive with her loooooonnnnng satsangs with the ashram folks, not to mention the marathon meditation sessions. She was a bitch.

She wasn't the only initiator who did that. Weekend marathon satsang and mediation. YUCK! Remember those??

I never knew she abandoned her children for M. Maybe it was better for them considering her personality.

Best, Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 23:31:32 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: 'Tits in a Pickle'....always something new
Message:
from what I heared of Ann is she did not want to leave her kids for blibber. But she had to because her husban used to hit her. Like anyone else she left him and joined the ash-ram because she did not have anywhere else to go. I remember having a private conversation with her one day in London, and we started to talk about where I came from and how difficult it was for me. The same night she gave satsang and talked about what we said. I do not now anything else about her. I guess maybe she has to sit down one day and question herself about her real motive to joining the ash-ram and turning onto the fanatic that you describe.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:24:58 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Knowledge
Message:
From the day you started to be interested, till you've received Knowledge, there was a period of change in your understandings. How it ocured?
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 02:19:23 (GMT)
From: Banshee
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: ONAE/WAHADAMAR/SEVA/MILBANK
Message:
To answer your post: I realized knowledge in 1 second.

Now, Djuro of ??? and Linda Gross of EV, and Alvaro Pascotto of Wahadamar, and R.A. Jacobs of Onae Trust/Medley, Tweedle, Milbank and John K Bale of Seva Corporation of America and Randy Prouty of 'Private Investor for the Lord' and Prem Pal Singh Rawat of Anacapa View Estates (aka stunted watch peddler) and Durga Ji of Anacapa View Estates and all prem-droids (btw 'prem-droid' is slang in EV for those of you without good stock portfolios ergo EV loves dumb droids) in your ongoing realization that you can so-hung:

What Time Is It ?
It's Nellie's Watch Time!

And remember y'all.... on your last soooo hunnnnggg....

What Time Is It ?
It's Nellie's Watch Time!

And remember y'all when you wake up and go about your day,

What Time Is It ?
It's Nellie's Watch Time!

Finally, Mr Lord of the Universe..... how's your watch collection? Have you checked to see,

What Time It Is?

When you do from now on you will always remember as naturally as the breath you take:

It's Nellie's Watch Time!

It's Nellie's Watch Time!

It's Nellie's Watch Time!

BTW - Where's the watch? ;-) Sleep well and always remember what time it is.... even in Japan, even at Mitsui, even in Australia, even at Spectrucell.....

It's Nellie's Watch Time!

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 00:57:07 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Are you just plain stupid or......
Message:
.......are you doing it on purpose.

What sort of name is 'Djuro' anyways. Sounds like some kinda rabid St Bernard from a Stephen King novel.

Sure. Understanding changes from the time of hearing about knowledge to getting it. A couple of weeks, max. Understandings also change from time of getting to now. Nearly thirty years. So what fuckin' business is it of yours? What's your angle on it all, huh, Cujo? Or don't you do joined up thinking of more than a couple words?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:30:46 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Brainwashing
Message:
Hi Djuro,

The change between hearing about knowledge and receiving it was a period of brainwashing.

Every night I went to sessions where it was explained to me over and over that Maharaji was the Perfect Master (Like Jesus but with more power) and 'knowledge'was going to be an experience of God, and if I didn't accept all this, it was because I was confused.

Then, when eventually I believed it all, I received 'knowledge'.

I hope this answers your question.

Anth the brainwashed

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:41:30 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Brainwashing
Message:
And now, when you don't accept The Knowledge, do you feel experience of God?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:13:40 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Knowledge
Message:
Djuro,

What makes you think I ever had understanding about Knowledge? I was told, 'this is what it is', and I simply believed it, hoping that one day I would understand. That day never came, at least, not the way I hoped it would. I hoped I'd find God by practicing Knowledge. What I came to understand, instead, is that this is a personality cult, where one man is made out to be God, which he isn't, and the best K is ever going to do is, maybe, now and then, provide a little peace of mind. Then again, maybe it doesn't. Maybe I just get depressed practicing it. How about you, Djuro? What do you understand about Knowledge?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:24:15 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Knowledge
Message:
Ask Maharaji.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 22:07:58 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Knowledge
Message:
Ask Maharaji what?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:36:02 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Knowledge
Message:
OK...I'll tell...but you first!
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:28:47 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: No answer?!
Message:
Let's go on.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:49:53 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Djuro
Subject: Yes, here's one!
Message:
I think you're quite charming, Djuro. Regarding your question; there was a change of understanding which came about (for me) through listening to many hours of satsang and meeting new people. There are many changes of understanding which have happened in my life.

Of course, the change of understanding which occured during the two weeks I waited for knowledge was a long, long time ago; back in 1972.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:55:13 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Yes, here's one!
Message:
2 weeks only? M. says one lifetime is not enough.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:10:06 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Yes but you missed one point, Djuro
Message:
Djuro, you wrote;

'2 weeks only? (Waiting for k) M. says one lifetime is not enough.'

You see, I had already waited for one whole lifetime during my last lifetime, so the two weeks wait was added on to that.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 21:35:00 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Yes but you missed one point, Djuro
Message:
For you is not enough one lifetime plus two weeks. But don't wast second one.
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 19:02:11 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: You actually believe that crap! (nt)
Message:
x
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:29:26 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: And besides before that lifetime Sir Dave
Message:
was incarnated as a roach. So he really paid his dues.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:01:03 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: That was when I lived in your kitchen (nt)
Message:
xxx
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:24:29 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: How about when you were a flea, remember that?..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 17:27:15 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Don't forget dust mites under his lotus feet:)))nt
Message:
bbb
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:34:50 (GMT)
From: Another Lurking Poster
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: An Answer
Message:
The change that occurred was when I went from thinking I knew what Knowledge was to knowing I didn't know what Knowledge was.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:44:44 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Another Lurking Poster
Subject: An Answer
Message:
I was thinking that first you didn't know what's The Knowledge, then you were interested, then you received it, then you knew what The Knowledge IS. It should be normal.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:08:20 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: A question
Message:
What do you know?
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 21:24:22 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
There was an interesting article on Sai Baba in Saturday's London Telegraph on Saturday. (I found it on one of my favourite Web pages, Arts and Letters Daily - cybereditions.com/aldaily/).

The article was a rehash of the allegations with which we cultwatchers are no doubt familiar: the faked manifestations, the molestation of boys and young men, etc.

But there is an interesting link at the article's left side, to a page called 'Sai Critic,' which is the devotees' response to the allegations (which they call 'The Findings.') Interesting because it sounds so much like premies' responses to the material on this site.

The first line of defense is, of course, to encourage the doubting devotee to refer to his/her own 'experience' as the final arbiter of reality/truth. They also invoke the hoary maxim : (in so many words) God's ways are mysterious and unknowable by us.

If you're keeping score, here it is so far: Faith 2, Reason 0.

They go on to blame the victim (the boys' sexual fantasies were projected on the guru, who after all, premies, serves as a mirror for us), and proclaim these times as a potential growth experience (presumably as a test of faith).

Sai Baba has, naturally, urged his followers to abstain from Internet use. Interesting how the free flow of information has recently contributed to the downfall - or diminished stature - of fraudulent gurus. Sai Baba's Swedish centre (I'm a Brit wannabe today) has recently closed down in the wake of the paedophilia disclosures.

We've had some small effect with this site; let's keep it up!

Let me leave you with one Sai Baba quote which will surely bring back the smell of burning ghee for the older premies: 'When doubt walks in the front door, faith walks out the back door. Keep both doors closed.'

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:04:34 (GMT)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
There was a news article this year/last in Australia where you could clearly see him(Sai Baba) 'manifesting' something from the underside of a picture or article he held - one of his 'manifested trinkets'. A typical magicians trick.

That is why I like people like James Randi (Arch high priest and grand poobah of sceptics, may he live forever and whose feet I am unfit to touch) - they can do most if not all of the magic they see because many are practicing stage magicians.

I saw a film recently of a famous italian stage magician. He was famous as a stage magician. He then had a bad car/rail accident and ended up in a chair with only one working arm. So he practiced with cards in one hand. So here was this guy using one hand with a deck of cards - the camera was on his hand and the card the whole shoot - no cut aways where we miss the action - no. The camera was on his hand/arm/body the whole time. The way he manipulated those cards was staggering. Sorted the pack, picked out royal flush, picked out aces, dozens of tricks in a very short space of time - maybe a minute. We all knew it was stage magic so we appreciated the enormous effort the man had put into his craft. When Sai Baba does it 'its divine'.

Cheers

Peter

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:34:24 (GMT)
From: Pussy Galore
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
Aren't you leaving? See you in West End one Saturday morning for Coffee and croissants? A bowl of milk? a whiskette?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 03:19:19 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: Our Guru was never that talented! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:52:15 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
If Sai Baba can create something from nothing, imagine His creator!
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 06:43:16 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: our guru created something from nothing...
Message:
and he continues to make a handsome living at it, every day of his life. you hit the key word of his con--'imagine' his creator.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:40:55 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Djuro
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
And if you, Djuro, can BELIEVE that 'Sai Baba can create something from nothing', one can but marvel at the astonishing scope of your credulity.

Ever heard of conjuring?

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 22:32:50 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
The unpleasant creep 'manifests' gold dust or valubale trinkets for his wealthy followers. Poorer types have to be content with a worthless dust, made in part, from baked cow dung (holy shit!)

Some superstitious followers apparently treat wounds with this holy dust, with suppurating results.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:04:20 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: But he can't (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 21:54:41 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Sai Baba
Message:
Do you know Sai Baba?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:33:28 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Do I know Sai Baba? What is your point? Write! nt
Message:
x
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 20:45:41 (GMT)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Desperate Propagation
Message:
I am really angry at my mother right now, directly as a result of her inappropriate propagation attempts. Let me explain.
Those of you who have been here for a year or more probably remember me posting, originally as 'x', about my bizarre connection to this farce.
A quick review
Both of my parents, and step parents, are veteran foot soldiers in rawatts empire building scheme since the early seventies.
I myself amazingly, 'recieved knowledge' at age seven from jagdeo, and, I might add, was lucky enough to not get molested in the process.
Since discovering this forum three years ago I have bombarded my mother with printed material from this site
and have been basically trying to deprogram her all to no avail.
Her arrogant spiritual delusion combined with her inability to see past this moronic cults obvious deception make it hard for me to connect with her on a real, and deep level, let alone respect her.
So anyway it turns out that my mother went to the store that my girlfriends parents own, and while buying a couple of things, proceeded to tell my girlfriends mother, possibly to establish a rappor with her, that her daughter was too good for me, what did she see in me, etc., etc.
Then she handed over some kind of goober miragey card. I was disappointed that it was thrown away before I coul look it over.
Anyway I feel like this woman was targeted for propagation
by my mother. My girlfriends mother is kind of new agey, runs a hippie style bead store, and the one or two times my mother and her had met before they talked about things like astrology.
How sleazy, not to mention embarassing, for my mother to try to drag someone that she only knows through me, into a cult that I absolutely detest.
How desperate, I am sure that my mother is not doing this on her own as a renegade, the propagation cards and the directive to approach people came from the top I am sure.
This dying cult is desperate for new blood.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:49:33 (GMT)
From: Darren Beadman
Email: Ministry of the Lord , Turf Dept
To: Marshall
Subject: There's a Rainbow in my Sky:):)
Message:
Cant put anything over you young man . You are absolutely on track. The latest Propagation target is definitely middle aged Hippies running bead shops! We like the look of New age juice bar owners and well , then it's on to the real targets..Baby boomer Bed and Breakfast owners! Your Mom! She's blown everything in our masterplan for world domination....
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 04:19:21 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: You are welcome to marry my niece! Your great-nt
Message:
sfghnf
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:35:09 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: One thing on your side
Message:
One thing on your side is that no hippie type is going to be interested in this boring, sanatised cult. It's very different to the early seventies when I received knowledge and there were lots of cool people about in long robes, talking about cosmic consciousness.

Aside from the propogation thing, I think you should take a giant leap away from your mother and her influence if she runs you down in front of your girlfriend's mother.

I wouldn't worry about deprogramming her. But I would steer yourself and your girlfriend away from her influence.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:09:11 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Desperate Propagation
Message:
Somebody probably already said this but I haven't read the thread and I see the dribbler is back, so I probably won't but here's what I'd be pissed at, more than the propagation effort which will probably fall flat on its face anyway:

So anyway it turns out that my mother went to the store that my girlfriends parents own, and while buying a couple of things, proceeded to tell my girlfriends mother, possibly to establish a rappor with her, that her daughter was too good for me, what did she see in me, etc., etc.

Ouch, that's a low blow.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:41:28 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Furthermore,
Message:
not just desperate right NOW for 'new blood' but that is the name of the game: RECRUITING NEW PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.

Sorry to hear you have to deal with your mother's behavior. I still wonder who is really guilty: Mahariachi Lard or the premies? When I said before here a while back that is primerally Lard's responsability my ass was chewed; some people implied that it was the premies fault for following lard, not his. I still make Lard responsible for deceiving people.

LARD is the one who feeds the fire to propagate. Write a letter to Elan Vital about your mother's behavior and threat EVital with contacting the media if the same practices of propagation continue the way they are today.

I feel as an ex-aspirant contact that new people should know ahead of time of the requisites to receive knowledge and that for ever a person receiving it will be tied to Lard. It's not fair that people are being dragged in the cult with false pretenses and it needs to be exposed.

Be glad you are out.

Good luck.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:15:40 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Furthermore,
Message:
Hello me dear. Nice to see the sun every now and then. Glad you can remember us.

I think everyone here agrees that it is groomji fault. And those that do not agree will agree this time.

As far as davids is concerened, I will try to spend sometime with me girl and explain to her who or what groomji really is. I will also go to me mum and ask her what is her story is. I would not bother bombarding anyone with anything, remember when you were a oremie did you bombard also. Let her go, if she want to be blind and follow the blind that is her life.

Also Djuro, you can fuck off.

SB, tell me more.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:06:36 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Furthermore,
Message:
Salam, Salam...
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:24:37 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: DJ,DJ........
Message:
Scram to premieland...

Let us be.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:45:15 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Do you have a problem understanding what
Message:
fuck off means?
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:53:43 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Furthermore,
Message:
You are out, that's fine.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 14:27:20 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: And?
Message:
And?

What does that means?

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:40:46 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Desperate Propagation
Message:
It's easy to see(say) what is not, tell me, please, what IS?
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:07:51 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Desperate Propagation
Message:
I can tell what you're getting in a little while you sticky ass leach.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 00:01:25 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Desperate Propagation
Message:
You are not very educated.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:23:05 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: I know.
Message:
Keep fucking off
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 21:48:17 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: I'm so sorry Marshall
Message:
I do remember your posts as 'x' -
---(and everyone please do not confuse this with our current 'X' poster!!---

It must have felt like a betrayal to have the guru pushed and you dissed in the same conversation! I know we have communicated before and you know i have sons in their 20's so I am really sad to read this.

You are right of course that she is so wrapped up in the cult she is not thinking straight. I am reminded of when someone says 'it's the drug it's not him' about someone's behavior while addicted.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 22:59:02 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Are you realy sorry?
Message:
And are you sure she is not thinking straight? Maybe she thinks differenr.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:22:56 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Are you realy real?
Message:
I assume you are a premie? Tell us about yourself.
and, yes I did feel for Marshall. (not that I need to justify myself to you. )
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:39:18 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Are you realy real?
Message:
You should let people free, to do what they like.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:47:34 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: look DJ
Message:
You hijacked a very sincere thread started by Marshall and answered yes in sympathy, by me.

I would call what you are doing spamming.

So I would have to say that you are the one that should let people be.

It's too bad the FA's can't delete all your crap and leave Marshall's post.

I am done with this - communication is a 2 way street and all you have done here is interrupt.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:58:31 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: look DJ
Message:
Interrupt what?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 23:10:29 (GMT)
From: Ana T
Email: None
To: Djuro or Digiorno or ....
Subject: Wahadamar and Onae - What Time is it?
Message:
Hey Djurno....that subject always gets the attention of the prem-droids and possibly even the con artist formerly known as 'The Lord of the Universe' ;-)

At any rate:

Next time you your master checks his watch around you would you ask him what time it is? Then let him know it's 'Nellie's Watch Time'!

Next time Durga Ji gets a massage by a prem-droid she doesn't bother to thank, would you ask her what time it is? Then let her know it's Nellie's Watch Time!

Next time Wadi Sue gets her panties in a wad about prem-droids coming on her property owned by Seva Corporation of America (funds compliments of by prem droids) and if you're there would you ask her what time it is? Then tell Premlata aka Wadi Sue in a wad it's 'Nellie's Watch Time'

Next time Hansi wansi wantsa new surf board, glider, para-sail... would you ask him what time it is? Then tell him it's 'Nellie's Watch Time'

Next time Daya does a doozie dittie for daddy would you ask her what time it is? Then let her know it's 'Nellie's Watch Time'.

Next time Amar soils his sheets and makes a prem-droid clean the stains would you ask him what time it is? Then tell him it's 'Nellie's Watch Time'!

I just hi-jacked your hi-jack Djuro ;-)

Hey .... What time is it? It's Nellie's Watch Time.... It's Nellies Watch Time.... It's Nellie's Watch Time.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 23:18:01 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Ana T
Subject: M's watch collection is creepy
Message:
he invented new ones. Why can't he give back the others like your Nellies?

Thought you could sneak by me didn't you?
Don't you know? I decided to take a week break. That was all it took to make me read and post all day.

now I gotta eat something and catch up on programming in the middle of the night or sometime..
Good watch hunting.
M you creep give her back her watch!!!

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 23:20:40 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Yes she is thinking straight and David is a man
Message:
You figgin moron. Keep fucking off you slimy dickhead.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 10:40:55 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Mike Dettmer's got his own directory
Message:
I think I've got all the most relevant posts. If I've missed any, please let me know.

Click here for Mike's directory

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 14:53:33 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Since everyone here just loves him so much
Message:
Michael is the best thing to hit this forum than sterilized fertilizer.

Let's make him Forum Administrator. See if he will take the job. You know, kinda see if he really is an ex.

He's so well respected and just chock full of all sort of useful information that we should see if we can get him to stick around awhile.

Will you sit with us for awhile Michael? Or now that the heat is off, ie, none of that internet referance to you from Roger's site, are you gonna leave? Got any real incriminating information that perhaps will be useful in a court of law? Or does that nasty old confidentiality agreement prevent you from really 'spilling the beans?'

There's more Michael. Won't you just 'tell all?'

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 17:53:59 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: You're impossible, TonetteHave you
Message:
I remember when you first started posting here, ragging on everyone for not suing Maharaji or even having him thrown in jail. Now your complaint is that we don't do the same with Dettmers, I guess. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is showing signs of 'cult' behaviour. We're a 'clicke' as you put it (what's YOUR education level?) and the only reason someone might not agree with you is because you're not in with the in-crowd.

There is no arguing with someone like you. It's pretty well impossible. You don't think well enough.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 09:36:25 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey Jim go abuse someone else
Message:
What's wrong get tired of gerry?

Don't agree with me? Well isn't that surprising......NOT!

But you are a bully, a cad, and I have to keep remembering this is 'your' forum after all.

BTW.....I know personally 3 ex-premis that you have chased off of this forum by your remarks. Care to venture what the total might be?

Oh and my education level? 6 years of college. I just didn't waste my time learning to twist words, which is what you as a lawyer are so good at. I spent my time acquiring skills and knowledge that actually help people.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 16:28:56 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Six years of college????????????
Message:
What school? That's amazing. Really.
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 09:25:49 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: More mockery
Message:
I would answer you if I had even an inkling that there is a shread of sincerity in your question. But you aren't obviously. Just more of the same slimy debate tatics that you love to dish out to people here that you don't like for whatever reason.
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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 23:56:50 (GMT)
From: curious observer
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: More mockery/What's in it for you Tonette?
Message:
Tonette-I'm just curious, and am not looking for a fight, but I have to ask you something.....OK?

Do you think there is anything within you that is helping bring about these arguments and fights you get into on the forum?

I know you have a problem with Jim, and have also expressed some negative comments about MD, and the way he answers questions as well as the way he is treated here.

I'm just wondering, do you feel that you have a chip on your shoulder?
Yes, Jim can be combative and confronting at times, but what's your problem with MD?
And why the constant fighting with Jim?

I'm just curious ....have you ever felt it was something in you that triggers these things off?

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 20:41:14 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: That's pretty darned hypocritical, Tonette
Message:
How would you charcterize your own comments about Dettmers and the way most people here have treated him?

How about what you've had to say about me?

Think about it.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 01:37:42 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Look who is talking?....nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:37:41 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're impossible, TonetteHave you
Message:
Dear Jim,

I have one year of college, does that make me stupid? Everyone here has a right to their opinion, don't you think?

I don't look at the regulars here as a clique, and spelling isn't a sign of being under-educated. You know that.

Tonette was trying to support my position. I thank her for that. You had an opposing view, I appreciate that, too.

I pounced on Michael in some moments of anger. Have you ever been angry, Jim? I know you have.....:)))

I think emotions of folks here have been triggered by Michael Dettmers's revelations. I know mine have...

Forgive me for being human, Jim....
Best,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:55:45 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: You're impossible, Tonette
Message:
I have one year of college, does that make me stupid?

No, of course not.

Everyone here has a right to their opinion, don't you think?

In one sense, yes, in another, no. Tonette is 'entitled' to think what she thinks and even to voice her opinion. No one's getting arrested, you'll note. But should her opinion deserve any 'respect' just because it exists? Hardly.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:37:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You might not respect her opinion, Jim ...
Message:
...but at least respect her right to express it without having her 'education level' mocked.

When you do that, it just makes you sound like a prig.

Well, there's feedback for you.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 15:27:12 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Since everyone here just loves him so much
Message:
If you look at the Mike Dettmers directory you'll see that he also has taken a bit of flak; and rightly so. He has answered his critics and it is left up to the reader whether any blame lies at his feet.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 12:17:44 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Thank you.
Message:
Do you think It will be good it you expanded on the background of who was MD?
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 15:22:26 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Not really because
Message:
Not really because he does that himself in his posts, far better than I could.
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:20:59 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Thank you Sir Dave....
Message:
I appreciate all the work you do on your site. I believe Michael's posts are very valuable. I don't hate him at all. I had a bad, huge, hiccup of anger yesterday and something (not sure what) in Michael's posts triggered me.

All better now, sorry for the uproar...

Best, Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:57:08 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Thank you Cynthia
Message:
There's nothing to apologise for. I put your 'hiccup' on the site since it is relevant and what many people have felt. I also had a few words to say to Mike Dettmers and that's on the site too.

I think lambasting people can be a good thing because you get some answers. My own question to Mike Dettmers did open up the X rated premies can of worms, which was good.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:25:37 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Hey, you get those too ?!?
Message:

You should have seen the dream I had last night. It was a real beaut...
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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:09:46 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: New pages here: m. planes fund-raising appeals
Message:
http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/EVital.htm

and

http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/finance1.htm#G4

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:38:45 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Heliport section updated today
Message:
Thank you.

Though I'd be glad to have some better pictures!

I guess the residence security's been checking thoroughly premies backbags these days !!

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 00:46:13 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Page looks really good.LA exes: Malibu PHOTOS?!
Message:
Somebody in LA should just take a little drive up Pacific Coast Highway to Malibu and take Trancas Canyon road, keep bearing left (the residence is the biggest compound in the neighborhood and sits on its own ridge at the end of Anacapa View).

Take a decent 35mm camera with at least an 80-200 zoom lens. Also, use 100-200 ASA film for best enlargements.

Peace,

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 08:35:36 (GMT)
From: someone near enough
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: i have it mapped for driving..maybe I can
Message:
i would have to get my sister to drive me...and i have a 35mm but not the zoom lens...maybe i can make afriend in the 'hood here who does...cheet--if i had only known all this sooner, I could have gotten pics this year. my now-departed neighbor was a prof. photographer and would have known how to do all that stuff...

how close can a person get, given all the levels of security? where do they start blocking people from advancing up the road? this might take a ruse to get close enough. guerilla theatre of some stripe...i admit, I'm intrigued.

NOW THEN: YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!
this one is for all you paranoid security spies, who are assigned to keep daily tabs on the forum::
START WORRYING! YOU NEVER KNOW WHICH VEHICLE MIGHT BE US!!!
WE COULD BE THE CREWS WITH THE SANDBAGS, NEXT TIME YOU HAVE MUDSLIDES!!
WE COULD BE HIDDEN AMONG THE FIREMEN, NEXT TIME THERE ARE WILDFIRES!!
WE COULD BE IN THAT DELIVERY VAN, THAT'S HEADING UP THE HILL!
WE COULD BE THE HANG-GLIDERS, UP ABOVE YOU!!
WE COULD HIDE CAMERAS IN KITES, AND FLY THEM OVER YOUR PROPERTY!!!

YOU JUST NEVER KNOW....WHY, ANYONE YOU SEE COULD BE US!,,
BETTER HAVE THAT NERVOUS BREAKDOWN NOW, AND GET IT OVER WITH...

YA SEE--ANY SCHEME SET ON CONTROLLING EVERYTHING IS DOOMED TO FAIL.
THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE BAD NEWS IS, YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ITS THE GOOD NEWS, UNTIL IT FINALLY TAKES PLACE.

SO--HAPPY NEUROSIS, YOU GUYS. YA LEARN MORE FROM FAILURE THAN YOU DO FROM SUCCESS.

OH--AND I SUBSCRIBE TO THE SIERRA CLUB CREDO: 'TAKE ONLY PICTURES; LEAVE ONLY FOOTPRINTS'--? EVER HEARD OF IT?

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Date: Fri, Nov 03, 2000 at 20:34:46 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: someone near enough
Subject: you can drive up to electric security gate, + walk
Message:
If you go through Malibu and take Trancas Canyon Rd (a right just past the supermarket) head east up the road, keep bearing left as it goes up the hill.

You will see the residence all by itself on the next ridge to your left (north). In a neighborhood of ostentatious Hollywood millionaires, m.'s compound still looks huge by comparison.

At a certain point, you will come to an electric security gate on your left. You can't drive any further without access. There are mailboxes on your right (#23 is Rawat).

Perhaps you can continue on foot up the road past the gate -- don't know these days. If you get past the gate, the road curves around to the left for about 1/2 mile - walled residence is at the end. [In the old days, public road access went right to the house.] Just act casual if you walk -- like a strolling neighbor.

You can also take a zoom photo looking up from PCH itself (route 1 - Pacific Coast Highway) to show the house's situation perched above the rest.

You will need some sort of zoom lens -- otherwise, residence will appear very tiny on the prints. Use slow film for best enlargements (100 or 200 ASA 35 mm film). Don't shoot at mid-day if it is a sunny day.

P.S. You can also get access to the residence if you do service there, arranged by Mary Holle (she is listed on some documents here). Mary Holle's phone number is: 310-457-2247

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:58:00 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Pic of the Malibu Mansion and private Heliport
Message:
Good work there, but don't forget the longitude!

ANACAPA VIEW ESTATES HELIPORT
Prempal Rawat's Private Heliport in Malibu

Latitude: 34° 2' 30.03' North
Longitude: 118° 51' 11.329W (-118.853147)

Click here for a close-up (well, close-ish) and then click on 'Image Info', top left of page for a spot check on the map reference.

http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=10&T=1&X=1644&Y=18840&Z=11&W=1

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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 11:43:00 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: where in the image is it?? which box??
Message:
i need help here. its six boxes. which one do i look at?
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Date: Thurs, Nov 02, 2000 at 18:20:16 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: NO jokes about women and map-reading, I promise
Message:
Map references are confusing for all of us the first time (now I KNOW I could get dissed for being patronising here, but it's a fact).

Ok, so you've obviously clicked on the 'image info' link, and quite right, the image is divided into six boxes.

The lines of latitude and longitude are marked by the text nearest to them. And the heliport is at:

Latitude: 34° 2' 30.03' North (top to bottom)
Longitude: 118° 51' 11.329 West (left to right)

So it's the top middle box you're looking for, and I reckon it's the almost circular dark grey patch with the lighter grey circle around it. That's the heliport.

The rest of the estate - well, it's hard to tell from a distance, but maybe a look at the ground plans on ex-premie.org might reveal a few more clues.

One thing's for sure, that's a hell of a big estate he's cadged off the premies over the years. Of course, on paper he doesn't own the property at 31334 Anacapa View Dr, Malibu CA 90265, Seva Corporation Of America does.

Smell a rat? (and I don't mean me! though no doubt he'd like to think so)

Hope this helps.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 17:26:48 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/lear55.htm and
Message:
http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/Challenger.htm
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Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 21:59:27 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Bike Line, a story.
Message:
The grass was soft with early morning light, I stood and watched a wallaby bending down to eat the grass, a large joey half falling out of her pouch. I felt so lucky, soon the Master would be here, and I had been invited to stay, one of the very few who had been chosen.

I noticed a bicycle leaning up against the wall, as I prepared to walk over to the catering office. The early morning mist was now distinct white clouds in a blue sky, light breezes carrying leafy scents and rich birdsong caressed my senses. I picked up the bike.

Within in a couple of days, I was making the journey from bunk to office with ease and a sense of accomplishment. That weekend there was a video event at the Hall. My colleague was bicycling over, it was time to try riding over the hills. I was a bit shaky but made it, I relaxed and listened to the words of the Master.

By now I was well cocooned in the embrace of Amaroo, dreaming the dream, from one day to the next.

As a child, I had lain down in the rich pastures of England, warmth from the late afternoon sun drenching the air filled with dancing motes and wondered, why the ants now crawling on my legs, the wasp attracted to the honey on my fingers?

Now, as I dreamed the dream, I wondered why the meanness, the petty acts of cruelty, that caused such agony of spirit in this place.

That morning I was concerned for a friend, who had been treated badly, he was working at the ampitheatre, and I decided to go and see him first. I had my hand on the doorhandle of my car when the idea crossed my mind to ride the bike. Really, this was a silly idea, it was a long way up and down hills, but there was no one there, including myself, to advocate caution.

Wheeeeee, oh god it was fun, the bike had stopped shaking, I was relaxed, I HAD GOT IT.

Whooooosh, I flew down the hill, a pair of wallabies looking up in mild surprise. The next climb was coming up, and I decided to start pedalling to keep up the momentum, I didn’t understand gears.

Sspppllatt, the bike went one way, I went another, landing on the road like a sack of potatoes. Sudden silence. A few moments ago I had inhabited a world glowing gold with the flowering wattle trees, now I watched it go grey, a cloud covering the sun.

‘That’s good’, I thought, I wouldn’t last long if the sun were beating down on the road, closed road, signs on each end prohibiting vehicular traffic. ‘Help!’. I decided to call at intervals to conserve my strength.
A woman came wandering over the hill, ‘I thought I heard something’, she said, ‘do you need help?’

My colleague came to the Ipswich Hospital with the ambulance. She was very concerned that I should no longer be a bother to Amaroo, and remarkably unsympathetic.

I lay on a trolley, the pethedine making me feel nauseous, consciousness of the pain slowly gathering like thunderheads behind. ‘Beam me up, Scotty’, the thought forlornly echoed through the understanding that was also slowly gathering, that I could not escape the pain.

The Master came and went, my broken bones slowly knitted, I visited Amaroo.

‘It was like a Giant Wallaby reached out a paw and swept you off the Land.’ At least he was prepared to talk to me, to hear how I might have felt about it, mostly people looked at me like they were passing an icky squashed animal on the road.

‘Maharaji knows you exist’, another premie exhibits bravery and kindness, but he’s working with poor material here, I can tell. ‘What did he say when you told him?’ I asked. ‘Um’, he replied.

I hate to think what Maharaji might have said. It might have been quite revealing, if he had had the brutal honesty to tell me.

My take on this incident, resonating as it does with possibilities of cosmic explanation is the same as it was from the start. It was an accident.

This is a story from my life, circa 1998. In the interests of brevity, I have left out a lot, so I just want to add this: my friends, I thank you for your friendship, it flew in the face of so much.

Lesley.

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:59:24 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Bike Line, a story.
Message:
No, Leslie! There is no such thing as an accident. Don't you remember MJ telling some cook this very thing when the cook cut his finger while serving the Lard.

Remember, you must be conscious at all times. You have no right to hurt your human body. Be illuminated. Be clear.

(I remember being shocked when I saw a picture of MJ with a bandage on his finger--Lye-la as usual).

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Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:12:06 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: Bike Line, a story.
Message:
Lesley:

This is a story from my life, circa 1998. In the interests of brevity, I have left out a lot, so I just want to add this: my friends, I thank you for your friendship, it flew in the face of so much.

You may have left out too much, because I'm not tracking. Don't give up on bicycling though. If you'd been on a recumbent you'd have only broken your tailbone.

--Scott 'It only hurts in the end.' T.

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