Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 16:19:08 (GMT)
From: Dec 11, 2000 To: Dec 21, 2000 Page: 2 Of: 5


Deputy Dog -:- Something (OT) -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:49:02 (GMT)
__ Literature Critic -:- Another (more topical) Camus quote -:- Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 16:49:18 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Something irrelevant to Knowledge -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 20:11:23 (GMT)
__ sureal sara -:- Something (OT) -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 14:14:29 (GMT)
__ janet of venice -:- depths of winter,invincible summer -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 11:20:45 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Something (OT) -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 06:50:06 (GMT)
__ ulf -:- Something (OT) -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 18:51:58 (GMT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Something (OT) -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 03:52:16 (GMT)
__ __ Hal -:- Good point Ulf -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 23:25:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Kelly -:- A ' plague' on both your houses! nt -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 00:03:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Hal -:- You sounded like Yahweh there kelly ! nt -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 08:43:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- Yahwho?!!! nt -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 12:06:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- No no Kelly , not Yahoo -too much internet! -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 20:48:04 (GMT)

Cynthia -:- It's hard to keep up with all these threads... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:19:38 (GMT)

Mr. Gratitude -:- I'll help you understand why being grateful to me. -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:01:52 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- seriously... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:22:28 (GMT)

Salam -:- Magnolia me dear -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:43:48 (GMT)
__ magnolia -:- please don't misconstrue -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 19:16:27 (GMT)
__ __ Kelly -:- message for magnolia -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 21:31:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- message for magnolia -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 00:22:18 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Salam, what the hell does... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 10:05:26 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Where are you English manners -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:54:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Where are you English manners -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:39:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- I want an extension of time -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 14:52:08 (GMT)

Mr. Free -:- After the tribulation -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:18:49 (GMT)
__ Scott T. -:- After the tribulation -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 14:59:23 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- After the tribulation -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:58:05 (GMT)
__ __ suchabandon -:- Let's get a pint right now,mate! Game's on tele(nt -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:32:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- got drunk today -:- Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 17:45:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Were you planting spuds in your backyard? (nt) -:- Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:22:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- No, I get that from the shop -:- Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 03:18:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- No, I get that from the shop -:- Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:06:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ such -:- G'day: here's to you, mate! nt -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:09:46 (GMT)

George Bush -:- America is in good hands now -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:39:53 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Leave out the U:S politics now please.... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 08:50:10 (GMT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- It's the era of wierd politics... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:11:27 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Yeah Yeah -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:51:08 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- America is the Greatest Country because... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:38:48 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- We knew years ago Roger... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 10:03:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- We knew years ago Roger... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:33:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Kelly -:- The next four years -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 00:11:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Loved the London Times Picture -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 00:26:46 (GMT)
__ __ Monmot -:- It's Now 'All Hail to the Thief' -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:09:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- Just call him President-erect. -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:16:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Helen -:- It's Now 'All Hail to the Thief' -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 05:22:58 (GMT)

Sandra Day O'Connor -:- Quit it.... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:05:23 (GMT)
__ No, YOU quit it -:- THIS ISN'T A FUCKING US POLITICS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!! -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:43:39 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Are you from CNN? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:03:58 (GMT)
__ __ Justice Antonin Scalia -:- Sandy baby is on the Supreme Court, you Dope.... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:21:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Why -:- 'the' ? -nt- -:- Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 13:57:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- I see -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:12:00 (GMT)

ID Update -:- Brian is not brian too/bill is not Mr Bill..nt -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:22:01 (GMT)

Windflower -:- Daya Rawat and Kim - Tidings of Joy -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:56:21 (GMT)
__ Music Critic -:- Buy It at Amazon -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:04:03 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Daya Rawat and Kim - Tidings of Joy -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 20:07:40 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Daya Rawat and Kim - Tidings of Joy -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:59:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- Salam we are talking about M's musicians -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:06:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- Salam we are talking about M's musicians -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:00:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I'm certifiable too -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 00:43:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- I'm certifiable too -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:15:31 (GMT)

cq -:- Shri Hans and the Perfect Mistake ... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:34:19 (GMT)
__ suchabanana -:- what about Hans' telegram: prostrations to...? (nt -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:04:51 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- ...er, perhaps he meant protestations to ...? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:38:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Buzz -:- if you want to contact delhi ashram -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:17:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- This is the story accorging to Mishler. -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:07:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- ...er, perhaps he meant protestations to ...? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:02:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- Steady on Pal...... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:38:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Cann't tell at this stage -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:21:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Your wish, O Salam, is my command: -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 13:41:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- cq, where did find this? -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 17:37:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- cq, where did find this? -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 19:05:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- we have to make sure the Maha is online ... -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 19:48:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ok, he's online. But first ... -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 19:58:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Too much cq! LOL!!! Where do you find them?!! (nt -:- Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:24:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ...and now - confirming your request ... -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 20:29:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ... you sure you got the right one? -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 20:32:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ... and at last, HEY PRESTO! -:- Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 20:34:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- He already dung beetle. Maybe last lifetime (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:21:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Sucha, do you how to become one? -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:39:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sucha -:- Dung Beatlemania and Monet problems -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 08:29:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'elephants make a big pile' -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 13:43:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- 'elephants make a big pile' Truly Holy Shit (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 19:20:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- 'elephants make a big pile' Truly Holy Shit (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 17:40:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- You must be in Nirvana -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:32:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sucha -:- not standard divine procedure,just special cases -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 01:37:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Now your sounding like an Indian cheif -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 15:06:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sucha -:- OK, Sly Baba teach you how to materialize money -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 19:40:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Return to Sender: Many Premies, Much Shit... -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 04:48:46 (GMT)

kap -:- there was a vicious ashram house president in san -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:34:34 (GMT)
__ Bin Liner -:- there was a vicious ashram house father in Luton -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:56:32 (GMT)
__ __ brian too -:- there was a vicious ashram house father in Luton -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 04:42:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Bin Liner -:- Do you have any information about ....... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 23:05:13 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- What year(s) are you talking about? (nt) -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:42:48 (GMT)

kapiladev -:- was a dlm president killed in a plane crash -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:23:42 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- was a dlm president killed in a plane crash -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:26:48 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- Your'e really serious with this stuff, Kap... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:13:47 (GMT)

kapiladev -:- where -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:10:08 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Michael says M started smoking doobies in the 70s -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:47:36 (GMT)
__ __ Joy -:- That Was A Great Album, Joe . . . -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:49:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ brian too -:- That Was A Great Album, Joe . . . -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 04:57:51 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- There you go -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:56:25 (GMT)
__ bill -:- mid seventies is all we know so far-nt -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:55:57 (GMT)

kapiladev -:- has rawat ever attacked anyone with his phychic po -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:01:05 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Help.... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:07:34 (GMT)
__ Pauline Premie -:- Maharaji never attacked anyone -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:16:18 (GMT)
__ Monica Lewis -:- 'Phychic' was a nickname Goobie gave me -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:13:21 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- has rawat ever attacked anyone with his phychic po -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:09:10 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- May Allah be my witness -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:47:06 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:20:14 (GMT)
__ __ Bin Liner -:- That was a good one , laughed like a drain (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 00:14:22 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- after you've been playing pocket billiards in it? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:29:50 (GMT)
__ __ Mahatama Batta ma Ball -:- kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:07:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Mahatma-Ji be careful -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:29:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Liz -:- Asokanand -:- Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 21:56:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mahatma Caught Behind -:- Mahatma-Ji be careful -:- Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:09:56 (GMT)
__ __ kap -:- kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:30:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:36:58 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- has rawat ever attacked anyone with his phychic po -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:03:43 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- I redirected it -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:35:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- I redirected it -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 17:04:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Only if... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 17:23:39 (GMT)
__ __ Monica -:- Goobie gave me a physic once -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 15:56:32 (GMT)

Tom -:- New CD by Kim O'Leary -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:00:52 (GMT)
__ Bazza -:- Danny Ellis -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:26:14 (GMT)
__ __ magnolia -:- m.'s birthday cake with danny ellis and others -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:18:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- m.'s birthday cake with danny ellis and others -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:52:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ Bazza -:- Great post magnolia - thanks. -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:44:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ magnolia -:- i prefer sex music and mind-altering drugs to m. -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 05:27:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ X -:- another from a DLM past -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 07:49:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ magnolia -:- jimmie dale gilmore and others -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:36:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ X -:- others -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:59:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joy -:- jimmie dale gilmore and others -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 18:20:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- That's funny, so does m.!! nt -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:19:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Bazza -:- PS -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:53:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ magnolia -:- got a used copy of that video? -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:28:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- I've got a brand new copy of that video -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:59:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ magnolia -:- I've got a brand new copy of that video -:- Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 02:42:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Lesley -:- Agreed. nt -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:32:22 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- she was so sweetsie and boring -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:59:35 (GMT)
__ __ True ex -:- she was so sweetsie and boring -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 02:46:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- I guess that is why these men like her -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:29:55 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Ha! Imagine M the 'Perfect Punk'! -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 20:41:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- Ha! Imagine M the 'Perfect Punk'! -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:07:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Perfect Nerd, Perfect Asshole, Perfect Shmuck, Per -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 00:34:12 (GMT)
__ JTF -:- New CD by Kim O'Leary/non-devotional? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:14:39 (GMT)
__ __ Steve Quint -:- The Newer Model's An Import - Big Mistake -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:09:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- The Newer Model concept is bizarre -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 17:19:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Don't Put Down My Former Fantasy Objects -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:18:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Oliver -:- Is Ross Hannerford still a Premie? (nt) -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:35:41 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- Does anyone know? Is she still a premie? nt -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:45:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ hal -:- Oh yes indeed - devoted as ever nt -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:27:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Kjarne -:- Does anyone know? Is she still a premie? -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:35:32 (GMT)

Mr. Free -:- Damn it Hal You are totally right -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 06:52:36 (GMT)
__ bill -:- Damn it Hal You are totally right -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 14:02:22 (GMT)
__ Iamnottelling -:- Damn it Hal, let him go -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:11:26 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- More freedom - Mr Free! -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:07:37 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- freedom with definate limits, mr Free -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 14:15:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ hal -:- Human nature can change mr Bill... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:13:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bill -:- Human nature can change mr Bill... -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:16:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Ah those constraints ...... -:- Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 08:35:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bill -:- Mr Bill Is NOT me..nt -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:17:30 (GMT)

Buzz -:- Happy Days -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 06:33:58 (GMT)

Aussi Ji -:- A Joke -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 00:44:06 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- A Serious Joke -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 00:54:32 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- A Serious Joke -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 03:10:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Alternative punchline -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:18:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- Alternative punchline -:- Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:08:26 (GMT)


Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:49:02 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Something (OT)
Message:
'In the depths of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer.'
- Albert Camus
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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 16:49:18 (GMT)
From: Literature Critic
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Another (more topical) Camus quote
Message:
'True debauchery is liberating because it creates no obligations. In it you possess only yourself; hence it remains the favorite pastime of the great lovers of their own person.'

Albert Camus

Could explain the Lard's penchant for bonking blondes?

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 20:11:23 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Something irrelevant to Knowledge
Message:
So what do you know about Camus, Dog?

I don't know where your quote from but I recently read 'The Outsider', and while it's true Camus writes about an extreme stoicism where it is possible to get used to the worst of circumstances, and even learn to enjoy them, only a premie could imagine a link with 'Knowledge' or any spiritual trip.

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 14:14:29 (GMT)
From: sureal sara
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Something (OT)
Message:
but if I go outside in my birthday suit I'll get frost bite
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 11:20:45 (GMT)
From: janet of venice
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: depths of winter,invincible summer
Message:
ahem..(clears throat)..at the risk of upsetting your apple cart, dog, I wish to make it known that I too discovered the invincible summer that lived within me, and that i discovered it when i was abandoned by miragey, left in the bitter, bitter cold by the premies, locked up by my family, lost my child, chose survival and preservation over chasing after yet another pointless program, planted myself and refused to be moved until God or Death came for me.

Knowledge had nothing to do with it. Squeezing my eyeballs and plugging my ears and straining my tongue and hearing myself breathe were a patent waste of time.

What Miragey knows about me, is zip. What I know about him, is lethal. What Miragey knows about anything is worthless. What I know is devastating.

Invincible summer, indeed.
I quote you
Invictus:

Out of the night that covers me
Black as the Pit from pole to pole
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate
How charged with punishment the scroll
I am the Master of my fate
I am the Captain of my soul.

  -- William Earnest Henley

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 06:50:06 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Something (OT)
Message:
That all depends on what chemicals you've got flooding the brain at any given time, Deputy Dogface. A severe lack of seratonin could have you thinking it's the dead of winter in July. Ask any manic depressive.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 18:51:58 (GMT)
From: ulf
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Something (OT)
Message:
i have allways liked Camus a lot
but do you think he was into K ?
Perhaps a Premie of Shri Hans ?

i doubt that.

i dont think that Camus shouldt be used to,
give Elan Vital any credit at all
The mann is dead , dont use his sayings like this

Ulf

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 03:52:16 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: ulf
Subject: Something (OT)
Message:
i have allways liked Camus a lot
but do you think he was into K ?
Perhaps a Premie of Shri Hans ?
i doubt that.

Ulf, perhaps he was into the Spirit, I doubt that Camus was a premie of Shri Hans. In fact the possibility of that is extremely remote. But he may have had another teacher. I don't know.

i dont think that Camus should be used to,
give Elan Vital any credit at all
The mann is dead , dont use his sayings like this

Have I ever, ever, EVER, EVER posted here to give credit to Elan Vital??????? NO!

Our personal experience of Knowledge is the only thing that is real, and I have always urged exes and premies to focus on that, and I have always defended that. Elan Vital is a just a concept.

You obviously know nothing about Deputy Dog. I have never ever been an apologist of Maharaji or Elan Vital. Never! I have always defended Knowledge and I have always urged exes to trust their own experience of meditation. Check my posts if you don't believe me.

I have never been, nor will I ever be, a supporter of anything but the individual experience of Knowledge.

Ulf, before you go shooting your mouth off about me, check my previous posts.

How long have I been posting here? The fucking nerve!

When the ocean surges,
don't let me just hear it.
Let it splash inside my chest.

- Rumi

Gee I wonder if Rumi received Knowledge from Shri Hans? Not!

Deputy Dog


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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 23:25:22 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: ulf
Subject: Good point Ulf
Message:
Hi Scandinavian ex,

Don't expect a reply from Dep though as he doesn't respond to those awkward questions!

Cheers
Hal

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 00:03:31 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: A ' plague' on both your houses! nt
Message:
sorry! I'm not myself tonight!(oh yes I am!)
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 08:43:56 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: You sounded like Yahweh there kelly ! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 12:06:38 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Yahwho?!!! nt
Message:
Yahoo!
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 20:48:04 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: steve.mulley@clix.pt
To: Kelly
Subject: No no Kelly , not Yahoo -too much internet!
Message:
You know the old testament God some call Jehovah and some call yahweh? A right miserable old bastard , always sending plagues and wreaking vengeance on humans who weren't Jewish and even ones who were.

I'm enjoying your posts Kelly, nice to have you on the forum,
Hal

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:19:38 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: It's hard to keep up with all these threads...
Message:
Hi!

I've been away from my computer for a couple of days and wow, a lot of threads get going in a short absence.

I hate to start sounding like Jim, but I'll tell ya, while trying to catch up on the messages here I noticed my eyes starting to cross. It would be very helpful if you could, would, please, try to use paragraphing, i.e., put a double space between your paragraphs. I'm in my late 40's now, give me a break!!::)))

janet, of course you are exempt from this request, because you have established this as your writing style:)))

I don't want to whine, but my eyes are killing me here.

A few comments on the threads below:

1. I always heard that Shri Hans wrote a letter home before his death ending it with salutations or prostations (or both) to Sant Ji, then he died. I also remember M telling a story about being in a car with his Ma and Pa (he didn't say ma and pa), and they passed by a Hindu temple, and M said his mother didn't even bother to stop, but she threw coins out the car window.

Then M said that Shri Hans (Pa) told Mata Ji (Ma): why do you waste your coins on the Hindu temple, give the money to me and I'll give you salvation! Good one, Huh? I think Pa must have seen something in little sant ji besides spiritual enlightenment. I think he saw a great little manipulator and chose the right one to run a cult in the west. IMHO

2. Communication from the chief of PC, Scorpio-2: have noticed that ''c'' word again on Forum V. Now folks, it may not be offensive in some other areas of the world, but in the US there are many wildly dangerous feminists, (even on this forum) who take great offense at that word. Easy on using the ''c'' word please, no censorship will be involved, this is just a polite request.

3. I have often wondered how Kim O'Leary (Fields) has managed through the years and years of being around the Perfect Musician. Last video I saw her in she had dark circles under her eyes and Daya was the featured artist. It creeped me out to see Daya all dressed up fancy and sexy for her father!!! I can't imagine that the One Foundation group wasn't X-rated. Anyone know? Michael Dettmers?

That's about all for now. I'm very amused about the ''seasonal'' CD that Visions/EV put out. What will they do for easter? Fly the jet and drop leaflets?

What a cult,
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:01:52 (GMT)
From: Mr. Gratitude
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I'll help you understand why being grateful to me.
Message:
....will bring you that peace, that joy that you want whether you know it or not. Of course, in order to appear 'umble in your eyes, I'll often speak of it in terms of my gratitude to the one who insists it is best for me to be grateful to him. Confusing isn't it? Have no fear, for Mr. Gratitude is here!

I, hereby declare, that the year 2001 is THE YEAR of GRATITUDE to Mr. Gratitude!!!

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:22:28 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Mr. Gratitude
Subject: seriously...
Message:
This is a key to the cult's success...any cult. Gratitude to the one who 'set me free' (ironic choice of words).

In real life, gratitude IS a key to happiness. Being grateful for this life changes everything.

So being grateful to a Guru or True Father or whatever is like a shortcut. Similar to taking LSD: Gives an experience not too dissimilar to the real thing. And much easier than doing the work yourself.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:43:48 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Magnolia me dear
Message:
I hope your perving.

Do you know how much money did Rawat raise for his studio during his birthday party.

I love Magnolias.

Salam

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 19:16:27 (GMT)
From: magnolia
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: please don't misconstrue
Message:
hello-

as i clarified later on the original thread, the fundraiser was for a new video room and library in our region, which is quite modest according to reports. it was not for anything in m.'s actual vicinity. i have no idea what kind of money was raised at the birthday party, i was trying to avoid m.-related discussions there. i just ate the food.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 21:31:19 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: message for magnolia
Message:
Just to let you know I have posted a message to you below about the video. I,m still getting lost around this forum.!!
love kelly
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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 00:22:18 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: message for magnolia
Message:
This place is for talking about Rawat. Anyone can say whatever he/she wants. If you want tranquility, go for a walk in the park.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 10:05:26 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Salam, what the hell does...
Message:
...'I hope your perving,' mean?

anth the breakfast

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:54:12 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Where are you English manners
Message:
That what Magnolia likes to do

perverse curiosity

so I thought, I make perverse into perving. I do not know. What do you think? Your a teacher aren't you?

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:39:31 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Where are you English manners
Message:
...not a teacher anymore Salam.

But if I was, I would have returned your post and said, 'You could do better Salam. Rewrite it with capital letters and full stops, and have it on my desk by nine o'clock tomorrow morning'.

Mr Ginn

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 14:52:08 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I want an extension of time
Message:
My computer had a flu and I had to work overtime, my mother is sick, my uncle slipped on a bannana peel and someone stole my car's engine.

And that's no bull

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:18:49 (GMT)
From: Mr. Free
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: After the tribulation
Message:
As it seems to be headed certain prophecy seems to have some credibility. If it follows it's course were in for a period of war and a brand new Hitler (watch out for the European Union). The worst the world has ever seen.
The point. The real new age or millenium of peace begins after that jerk to come has finished his part and people have expressed thier wickedness to the fullest.
Isn't wonderful to know your efforts or M's have been in vain. The new age is not here now it is after the next great tribulation which is progressing steadily to the begginiing.
Every bit helps,but, break out your survival kits. The worst is yet to come. Be the new millenium in your unity with God. For those who want to fight back or survive check out www.survival books.com. Don't try to con me with your peace facade. Your as viscious in your thoughts as those with the sarin gas attacks. Meditate and be centered and do what you can to sow the good spirit in the world, and as I said before, when the evil one shows up on your doorstep It's both barrels to the face. there is a season for all things.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 14:59:23 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Mr. Free
Subject: After the tribulation
Message:
MF:

I think Father Mike will bear me out on this, but millenial prophecy was usually written for the sake of the generation that was alive at the time. It's also a recurring theme in Jewish religious literature, because they've been conquered so many times. But how about the science-based prophecy of John Maynard Keynes, that we will have ended the economic cycle and established the basis of sustainable prosperity by 2030? According to Pat Moynihan we're right on schedule. That's a lot more likely than that we'll see wormwood falling out of the sky.

--Scott

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:58:05 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Mr. Free
Subject: After the tribulation
Message:
I think I go and have a beer to celibrate the end of the world. Man, no guru, what a relif.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:32:42 (GMT)
From: suchabandon
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Let's get a pint right now,mate! Game's on tele(nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 17:45:54 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: suchabandon
Subject: got drunk today
Message:
Thanks to my good neighbor. I do not drink, but he thought it was too hot today and I needed cooling off since I was doing some gardening in the backyard. So he keep feeding me beer until I was flat on my back on the grass.
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Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 01:22:15 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Were you planting spuds in your backyard? (nt)
Message:
Hmmmm?
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Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 03:18:16 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: No, I get that from the shop
Message:
I had something like 40 plants in pots. I've been wanting to do that for the last 1.5 year. That's how long it takes me to decide on things. But I feel really good about having it done. A year ago I was doubting that I am going to live so long.
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Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:06:42 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: No, I get that from the shop
Message:
You mean you finally planted about 40 plants in your backyard? That's great! This summer I finally planted a bush cherry from China I've had waiting for 4 years because I couldn't decide where to put it! Sounds like things have been getting better since last year! You're going to love your garden ... what did you plant? And yes, I will try to get some pics on a 'website' over the winter. That link you sent me seems a little advanced - I don't have that much time. I'll just be doing something so basic, my 9-year-old nephew can probably help me with it. In fact, I think he already started a 'website' for me somewhere.

Anna

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:09:46 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: G'day: here's to you, mate! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:39:53 (GMT)
From: George Bush
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: America is in good hands now
Message:
We're going to follow through the process of healing now. I held my composure throughout all this and it is time to get on with the nations business.
We're going to try and press for a missile defense system for the safety of our nation. We're going to free up, or at least work through congress to free up some of your social security money to invest to make your retirement something more than a hand to mouth existence. Your support is appreciated.
Thanks for your support
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 08:50:10 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: George Bush
Subject: Leave out the U:S politics now please....
Message:
For God's sake , Jeez . There's a whole world outside of your U.S
political crap. We all know that both of those guys are assholes and it won't matter a shit who got in really. America is still likely to remain a fuck the poor type of country.

Let's keep this an ex premie forum please. We've all been very tolerant of this stuff creeping onto the forum for weeks and weeks now nuff said...PLEEZ.

Hal

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:11:27 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: It's the era of wierd politics...
Message:
Even the Israelis are getting into it, with Barok's resignation and the Knessit's attempt to legitimate a Netanyahu candidacy by passing special legislation. Maybe it's just the era of wierd politics. Better than wierd conflict, for the moment.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:51:08 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: George Bush
Subject: Yeah Yeah
Message:
Which war you gonna start next? Meat head had no clue that anything existed out side texas, now he is the leader of the free world. What a bummer. Four years to go of Bush rulling the world. Puike.

Where can I hide?

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:38:48 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: George Bush
Subject: America is the Greatest Country because...
Message:
absolutely anybody can be President. And George W. Bush is proof of that!

All Hail to the Chief!

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 10:03:16 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: We knew years ago Roger...
Message:
...Regan proved it. Bush is an intellectual giant compared to that guy. Regan used to describe his military service in WW2 based on the movies he was in.

As a loony-left-European Bush seems fairly typical for the type of androids who get prodded forward by big business to continue to guide your wonderful country in its rape of the planet.

Al Gore looks a few cents short of a dollar too. I wouldn't leave him in charge of anything where lots of money changed hands. Not because I think he's dishonest, but because I don't think he can do maths with numbers bigger than 10.

I'm just glad I live in a satellite state that suckers up to you all the time.

Thank God for the Neutron Bomb.

anth in a movie too

ps. Roger, did you get the film developed of the lunatic climbing over the security fence in SF harbour? I still haven't seen the holiday snaps yet.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:33:52 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: AJW
Subject: We knew years ago Roger...
Message:
As a loony-left-European Bush seems fairly typical for the type of androids who get prodded forward by big business to continue to guide your wonderful country in its rape of the planet.

Mr. Beal, the multi-national corporations, getting larger and larger with each merger and acquisition, will eventually turn all of Britain into one highly efficient and profitable cattle feed lot that will supply all the McGrocery and McFood franchises throughout the Euro-dollar market with affordable and tasty meat byproducts.

Seeing that with enough money that even I can become President, I hereby dedicate my life to acquire the highest office in the land and my first official act will be to launch those neutron bombs.

It's too late. It's too sick. The baby is crawling into the fire and we are sawing off the same branch we are sitting on.

Anybody got a sober messiah they aren't using?

P.S. Yes, I've got those pictures stored in my safe deposit box at the bank. Where do you want them delivered and how much are you willing to spend?

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 00:11:29 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: The next four years
Message:
should be a good time to get back our former colonies!!!
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 00:26:46 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: Loved the London Times Picture
Message:
It showed a picture of George Dubya, next to a picture of the earth with an arrow saying 'We are here.' Sad but true, George W. Bush, despite being in his 50s, has never even been outside the USA, except for two trips to Mexico. But they do say that in Texas you can call hell for the cost of a local call, so maybe that counts.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:09:48 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: It's Now 'All Hail to the Thief'
Message:
I stole that from Joe because it's most excellent. I cringe every time I hear the phrase President-elect.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:16:00 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: Just call him President-erect.
Message:
Everyone will stare at his fly.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 05:22:58 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: It's Now 'All Hail to the Thief'
Message:
Yes, Gilligan won out over the professor. (heard that on Jay Leno). We are fucked for sure.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:05:23 (GMT)
From: Sandra Day O'Connor
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Quit it....
Message:
I'm getting sick of all this criticism for being partisan, and it's starting to raise a red flag with me, let me tell you, one that says 'watch out.'

I mean, why can't those ninnies down in Florida simply follow the instructions for voting, for goodness sake? At the Chevy Chase Club, my friends have been asking me over the caviar and Perrier why people too stupid and slack to punch a hole through a piece of paper even deserve a vote.

And what people fail to grasp is that Justice Rehnquist and I need equal protection for conservative justices who want to retire. I'm 70 and Rehenny is 76. We started out a long time ago working our hearts out for Barry Goldwater and we're pooped. Our backs are killing us. But we can't leave until we install a Republican president. Al Gore would have replaced us with that hippy-dippy Mario Cuomo or that flower child Larry Tribe, or some minority who actually cares about the dispossessed. How could be accept that, for Christ's sake?

And on the subject of irreparable harm, if I had sided with Gore it could have put in jeopardy the membership of my husband, John, in the Bohemian Grove. He does so enjoy frolicking and drag shows in the California redwoods with President Bush, Cap. Weinberger, Bill Buckley, David Rockefellar and Henry Kissinger.

So there you have it, for God's sake. Give us a break, will ya? We are trying like hell to hide the truth that we are driven by the same petty emotions as everybody else in this town -- ambition, partisanship, political debts and revenge. And it isn't easy, you know.

President Bush, President Bush, Presiden Bush. Okay, now I feel better. Merry Christmas!

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:43:39 (GMT)
From: No, YOU quit it
Email: None
To: Sandra Day O'Connor
Subject: THIS ISN'T A FUCKING US POLITICS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message:
or is it?
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:03:58 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Sandra Day O'Connor
Subject: Are you from CNN?
Message:
You sure you got the right address?
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:21:40 (GMT)
From: Justice Antonin Scalia
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Sandy baby is on the Supreme Court, you Dope....
Message:
But before you get any ideas, you probably have noticed that I, and not Sandy or anybody else, am the Big Brain around THE COURT. So I would just add what should be res ipsa loquitor, not to mention a priori, that we stopped the vote-counting because if we did not, Al Gore might have won. Then I would have never had a chance to be Chief Justice, which I deserve more than anyone who is or has ever lived including anyone real or imagined.

I have put up with so much hokum around here. When THEY upheld Roe vs. Wade, when THEY made all-male military academies admit women, I became bitter and marginalized. Never mind Al Gore's due process. What am I due in this process?

I know I have spent my career fighting against assertions of judicial power, but I am just giddy to have discovered that judicial tyranny, judiciously used, can be a good thing. I don't believe in making laws from the bench. But making presidents? That's different.

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 13:57:50 (GMT)
From: Why
Email: None
To: Justice Antonin Scalia
Subject: 'the' ? -nt-
Message:
JohnT
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:12:00 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Justice Antonin Scalia
Subject: I see
Message:
Look mate. Am as blind as a bat today, am not even sure where am I. Has Meat head decided to use his cabenet to here. This is f5 isn't.

Now what this, oops sorry. Did not see.


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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:22:01 (GMT)
From: ID Update
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Brian is not brian too/bill is not Mr Bill..nt
Message:
rtwy
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:56:21 (GMT)
From: Windflower
Email: windflower@guru-maharaji-sucks.org
To: Everyone
Subject: Daya Rawat and Kim - Tidings of Joy
Message:
And now a bit of Christmas Cheer:

Daya's Tidings of Joy

What is that line?

Tidings of comfort and joy?

I don't think so when it comes to Daya's daddy.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:04:03 (GMT)
From: Music Critic
Email: None
To: Windflower
Subject: Buy It at Amazon
Message:
Notice they link you to Amazon.com to buy it.

Hmmmmm.....may just have to write a review of it, maybe mention exactly who is inspiring the songs, etc etc.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 20:07:40 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Windflower
Subject: Daya Rawat and Kim - Tidings of Joy
Message:
Is Michael Whalen any relation to Joe?
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:59:49 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Daya Rawat and Kim - Tidings of Joy
Message:
I had a rough night last night, so can someone tell me what are we talking about here. And be nice to me, I am a bit crappy today.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:06:12 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Salam we are talking about M's musicians
Message:
and their trepiditious ventures into real world production.
Might be good playing at a hospital or looney bin ward although maybe not, it would send me up the wall.
Maybe in stores to put everyone in a fugue whilst they do Christmas shopping?

And be kind to yourself. It's easier than counting on anyone here. And I hope you are ok today.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:00:23 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: Selene
Subject: Salam we are talking about M's musicians
Message:
Do you know if I am awake, or is this a nightmare?

Amazone seems to be making mony any which way they can, or did rawat buy them off?

Wad u mean lonney house , ha. I was in one, and lovede ot. You mean f5 is sane.

Not to worry Selene, x-mas is here and you will have all the time in the world to kick some grooomi ass.

p.s. do you hear from SB? I lost her e-mail and she appears to be 'too happy' to noitice' me. Can you send me her e-mail. Want to poke around :)

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 00:43:09 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: I'm certifiable too
Message:
answered your SB query over on AG.
and now, I am hoping to get offline for a while.

And a little poem for ya:

cheers and well wishes.
steer clear of the bushes.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:15:31 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I'm certifiable too
Message:
Will make it my mantra for the day,

You won't forget how to come back would,

BYE.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:34:19 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Shri Hans and the Perfect Mistake ...
Message:
Buzz (see post below) shares an email he recently received from BalBhagwanji's (aka SatPal) Delhi ashram spokesman:

QUOTE:

'Shri Hans did NOT declare Balyogeshwar as Satguru
nor bestowed the title on him'.

endquote
.
.
.

Too right! I'd almost forgotten. Either that or I'd never sussed it in the first place:

Maharaji always spoke of 'hearing a voice' that declared him the Perfect Master (in some versions of the story, the voice came to him three times).

Ah so! Hearing voices that tell of grandiose delusions eh?

So that's what Elan Vital is propagating!

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:04:51 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: what about Hans' telegram: prostrations to...? (nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:38:02 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: ...er, perhaps he meant protestations to ...?
Message:

On July 19, 1966, Shri Hans died. He is said to have previously named the 8-year-old Maharaji as his successor by having written to his wife:

'I send my love to our three elder sons and complete prostrations to our youngest.'


Nice idea, eh? '...complete protestations to our youngest' ???

... and tell him to lay off the hamburgers ...?

;)

.
.
.

Buzz's contact in Prem Nagar was a Mr Tandon. Perhaps, if Buzz is reading this, he might like to follow up on it?

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:17:16 (GMT)
From: Buzz
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: if you want to contact delhi ashram
Message:
manavdharam@bol.net.in>
If anyone has any questions about m I'm sure the ashram would be willing to answer them.
I was also told it was pressure from certain mahatmas that pushed the idea to have the youngest son as satguru,I put it in a post sometime back,I'm sure Charanand was one but the other names escape me.
Mr Tandon is a long time devotee of Hans,he is now the main man
at the ashram there,he must know the whole story.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:07:54 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Buzz
Subject: This is the story accorging to Mishler.
Message:
http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/mishler.htm#subject17
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:02:46 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: ...er, perhaps he meant protestations to ...?
Message:
I wish he heared someone telling him to shove his head up an elephant's cunt.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:38:27 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Steady on Pal......
Message:

.....are you saying you'd've been a better premie if he'd come out looking like Ganesh ?


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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 01:21:50 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: Cann't tell at this stage
Message:
Let him do it first, then I will make up my mind.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 13:41:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Your wish, O Salam, is my command:
Message:
Click on
'Never take an elephant from behind'
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 17:37:28 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: cq, where did find this?
Message:
I bet you this fellow will never come near a pussy again. Man, getting your head stuck this way, waht a wish.

No let me see, what can I wish for? I know, rawat getting his hand stuck up his ass. Can you do that?

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 19:05:27 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: cq, where did find this?
Message:
Patience, Salam, this may take a little time ...
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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 19:48:01 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: we have to make sure the Maha is online ...
Message:
... er, I think he's sat at his custom-built, high-tech console, ... and ... is ready ...now
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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 19:58:23 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: I mean Salam
Subject: ok, he's online. But first ...
Message:
let's all watch him do ... a little ... meditation! ...
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Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 02:24:23 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Too much cq! LOL!!! Where do you find them?!! (nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 20:29:23 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: you watchin' this too?
Subject: ...and now - confirming your request ...
Message:
whose ass did you say you wanted to see his hand up?
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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 20:32:19 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: the world and his wife
Subject: ... you sure you got the right one?
Message:
... oh my, he's got the wrong ass ...
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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 20:34:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: ... and at last, HEY PRESTO!
Message:
... er, did I get that right? Salaam?
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:21:05 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: He already dung beetle. Maybe last lifetime (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:39:41 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Sucha, do you how to become one?
Message:
It is just I was thinking of becoming a dung one. Maybe that will solve my monet problems. What do you recon? You know, becoming a guru after maybe and all that kind of stuff. Couple a dollers here, couple dollers there, all adds up. I think it is a good idea.

Salam the greedy bastard

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 08:29:29 (GMT)
From: sucha
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Dung Beatlemania and Monet problems
Message:
Salam:

I think maybe if you pray very very hard, you can become this (but why would you want that?); but it must be a very messy and smelly existence, albeit short. Then, you have guarantee of being Lord of the Universe afterwards, if you like. It is so written in ancient Vedic sutras that from a dung beetle incarnation one rises all the way to the heights of the crown of creation. Yes, to stoop so humble, and then by the grace of Almighty Lord to be raised so high and mighty the next lifetime. This is the grace.

Ok, here's the plan: dung beetle lives a very short time. So, you pray very hard 3 times daily, facing Malibu [Wall Street is ok, too}, to become a dung beetle - to learn humility and so you can give informative satsang later (m. really knows his shit, right?). Then, when you leave this body in mahasamadhi (using the Mahamantra: 'First you need one million...' etc.) you become a dung beetle for just a little bit. Of course, you have to put up with a lot of shit in that lifetime (but, heck, so what's new, right?) - elephants make a big pile. But, like all dung beetles, you will actually enjoy it -- because it's really good, potent shit (according to the zookeepers).

Then, dung beetle lives briefly, dies, and you become whatever you want -- filthy rich, software robber baron, a king or US President, bigtime cricket player, gorgeous supermodel, Tibetan lama, even a so-called Living Perfect Lord of the Universe. By going directly to dung beetle, you have saved yourself 10,000 lifetimes (in different forms). See, instant karma immediately kicks in and rebounds, boosts you back into human form -- only higher and richer and more powerful next time.

Caution: There is a risk involved, however. If the stars are not aligned correctly, you might be born madly deluded, short, fat, with a tiny little weewee, and a squeaky voice. But even that might not matter -- because you will still have a lifetime to fulfill whatever desires you want -- you can have anything, anything you want: beautiful mistresses galore, Rolls Royces, the best brandy and dope, fancy jets, a 106' yacht, and - yes - even thousands of brain-dead, zombie devotee-slaves to fawn and drool over you, bow and scrape, and serve your every whim. For fun, you can yell at these devotee slaves, insult them, kick them, tell them anything crazy or stupid -- and they will simply beg for more and grovel before you -- and surrender all their money and earthly possessions to you. Fantastic!

Then, you can simply relax - fly your planes and kites, bone your mistresses, enjoy your riches, saw luxury cars in half, have pistol target practice with Ming vases for fun - and tell your slaves what a wonderful divine game it all is. See? You will also be able to give beautiful holy discourse about dung beetles (without even having to watch the Discovery Channel on the tele in your presidential hotel suite).

After that, though, I don't know what happens. It is said that the greedy guru goes to hell. I don't know. But that is very bad karma. Think again, before you embark on this dangerous path.

This is risky business, indeed - and maybe mission impossible, except for the most devoted of greedy bastards. Only a few greedy bastards succeed in this endeavor during each kali yuga. You must first ask yourself this question: am I really greedy enough?

You like Monet, too, huh? I especially like his Giverny waterlilies. If you succeed in this mission, you will certainly be able to afford one of these very paintings - but you will only enjoy it for one lifetime. I collect art myself.

Salaam,

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 13:43:13 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: sucha
Subject: 'elephants make a big pile'
Message:
true
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 19:20:49 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: 'elephants make a big pile' Truly Holy Shit (nt)
Message:
nn
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 17:40:10 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: 'elephants make a big pile' Truly Holy Shit (nt)
Message:
It is a big shit isn't? Is that thye same fellow buried under?
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:32:42 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: sucha
Subject: You must be in Nirvana
Message:
Because you signed in my name.

Sheesh, you really turned me on there for a second, then you spoiled it. Now I do not know what I want. I was thinking this got to be a breez, did not mind the dung at all. Was thinking of all them blondies. But now I am worried. Don't want to end up in hell screwing so many. I mean I do not mind screwing one or two. Well there goes my plans in the wind. Do you have other ideas?

Well at least I can understand how to do it and all, in case (plane C). Just one question though, you said

Yes, to stoop so humble, and then by the grace of Almighty Lord to be raised

Does that mean that all perfect masters were dung beetels? Do you know Where am I gonna find me an Almighty? or is it standard policy, that once a dung beetel then the all Almight dung master before me has to raise me?

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 01:37:12 (GMT)
From: sucha
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: not standard divine procedure,just special cases
Message:
No, is not standard divine operating procedure; just in special cases. Only the false and greedy masters came straight up that way -- and maybe they return (or worse, as I mentioned), because they are still full of shit.

Otherwise, from dung beetle, one must go through cycle of 10,000 forms of physical evolution again. So, it is written in the yogic sutras. 10,000 forms takes very long time - but is all relative in eternity. Time is material illusion, anyway.

That photo was not even bull elephant -- imagine the size of pile of real bull shit. Just like pile of self-serving concepts fed by greedy guru - the 'concept maker'. If you let pile of such concepts sit in your basement, that will smell very bad, indeed. Very rotten. Yes, something very rotten in the state of Premmark.

Almighty exists within you already - but is not named Prempal Singh. Prayer is like Morse code transmission. Must be in tune to receive response (in life), however, and understand. Otherwise, message get confused. Hearing voices is not same thing -- that is mostly for schizophrenics and psychopathic personalities. If you are true master of meditation, you don't hear voices inside. If voice comes to you, you should ignore it (unless it says, 'I need to pee' -- not good to ignore that voice). Isn't that what even fatguru himself said? Yet, he listen to voices himself. Well, this is the last time I will tell you this. Ok?

I hear voices, too - but it is different: like, voice of pretty Monica saying to me (on last trip to L.A.), 'Oh yeah, yes, don't stop, yes, oh my god, YES, YESS, YESSSSS!!!!' [Even old swamis can instruct in trantra occasionally, but act is not the same as for householders. Big difference. We retain precious fluids, and focus energy mercifully for kundalini awakening and enlightenment of goddess in human form. Simply act of instruction and compassion by swami, but female goddesses much enjoy, too.]

I thought salaam means 'peace'. How you feeling? Are you feeling the bliss now?

Speaking of shit, admit I felt much shit sometimes for last few years - confronting guru org, guru concepts, gross guru maya. Then, grace of Almighty within has shown me light and path of truth. Grace of Almighty has taken that shit and is returning shit to the concept maker -- the giver of the gift of shit. Almighty has marked shit 'Return to Sender' (like package, or Elvis song). Called Karma of greedy guru.

Now, I feel so much gratitude and appreciation to the Almighty. Basement is clean again - smell is going away, too.

Yes, I want to enjoy life - each day. Not the same as zombie enjoyinglife. I mean, enjoying not being mental slave, not being stupid, not being naive, not being sucker in this life -- but following own path and destiny, in peace.

Salam, you like blondies? Be careful what you wish for; might come true. I was married to beautiful blondie. Then she go to nude beach, screw coke-dealer biker and take my kid, and tell court I am zombie cult follower of fatguru. Then I no see my kid. Wicked Witch poison child with hatred and falsehood, then my kid grow up -- mock and insult me for being guru freak. Maybe I kick his ass, to teach him lesson of respect. Better yet, maybe I change will - not leave him dhoti, baragon and rice bowl.

One day, will not matter anymore, anyway -- bye bye to this material illusion. No more suffering, no more pain after this world. But, some say: no pain, no gain (that's what sign says in gym weight room).

Overall, I gain from my experience. But, I think Almighty is now returning big pile of shit to sender. Many premies, much shit.

Peace,


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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 15:06:49 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: sucha
Subject: Now your sounding like an Indian cheif
Message:
Man, and I thought I was mental. I do not think I want to talk to you for a week. This is too much. All I want is to make a buck or two. Why is it so complicated?
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 19:40:28 (GMT)
From: sucha
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: OK, Sly Baba teach you how to materialize money
Message:
If you are dialing from a touch-tone phone, please,
Select from the following options (otherwise stay on the line, and an operator will assist you):

1) Yes, how you know? I was once Indian chef - such delicious curries, naan bread, samosas and papadams, only top-quality basmati rice, mister, and aloo gobi, chana marsala, korma, dhosas, lentil soup, chole, malai kofta, and mango-rice pudding. Have you never eaten mango? Yes,no? How to describe mango? [Oi vay] Oh well, you must eat mango to understand. Only way. Explanantion or picture of mango is not same thing, ok, sahib?

2) Yes, how you know, kemosabe? I am Indian chief. My people come many moons ago over land bridge from land across sea of setting sun. I am also medicine man of tribe - but last survivor of my people. Black Elk teach me about spirit world in sweat lodge. He said young Indian brave would come, in the days before earth heals itself from the wounds of the white man. You white man? OK, I show you shortcut to good Lakota fishing place. Name of place? no big deal, kemosabe. River called Little Big Horn. Not to worry. But better if you divide up troops, ok? Have you heard of happy hunting ground? Maybe I help you take shortcut there, too. Not too worry, Colonel - very early in morning. It is a good day to...

3) Salam, you want to make a buck or two? Why stop there? Is NOT very complicated. OK, I will explain, bubby. Go to spiritual brother of Prem Singh -- his name is Sly Baba. He will teach you many tricks: slight of hand, materializing costume jewelry from secret compartments in chairs, levitation of objects using little strings, etc. But, please to be careful. He likes boys very much. OK, mister, once you learn these tricks, you can present yourself as spiritual master; very easy to fool many people with cheap tricks -- especially big government officials (politicians love cheap tricks; they use tricks to get elected, too -- ever been to Florida - 57 different varieties of tricks in last presidential erection?).

Soon, thousands of people will give you lots of money. They always looking for miracles. So, give them what they want, huh?! See, they will think tricks mean you are messiah, or at least satguru. Then, you won't have to work at all. You can enjoy Rolls Royces, G-5, yachts, blondies, and have a big estate. You like Queensland? Maybe I show you some land -- just 20 miles west of Brisbane (near Ipswich). Soon, I think, it will be very very cheap, indeed.

4) you got laser printer and twenty dollar bill? very very simple. Saddam Hussein's people do this all the time -- printing lots of counterfeit US money. Saddem Hussein bad man. Not getting too close to him, ok? Wouldn't be prudent. Staying the course. 1,000 points of light. [Speaking dialect of Yale University] Understand? Grammar not important. [No, no, not talking about you, grandma - sorry].

Ok, bubby, old swami is getting tired now. No more questions today. Time for nap. I need foot massage. Ah, such bliss.

Peace,

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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 04:48:46 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: sucha
Subject: Return to Sender: Many Premies, Much Shit...
Message:
Sucha,

That says it all. Right there. Great post.:)))

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:34:34 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Everyone
Subject: there was a vicious ashram house president in san
Message:
there was a very viciuos ashram president in san francisco named bruce .what ever happened to him?im sure he was a cia operative.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:56:32 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: there was a vicious ashram house father in Luton
Message:
......called Malcolm , who wasn't bright enough to be in the CIA/MI5/any other 'organ'.

Nevertheless this guy was a grade one motherfucker/Nazi/sociopath/bully.

Rawat knew how to pick his troops , don't blame the government.

Or maybe some of the troops picked Rawat in that regard.

Who knows?

Don't get into a big thing about it , it'll only fuck you up.


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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 04:42:33 (GMT)
From: brian too
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: there was a vicious ashram house father in Luton
Message:
This dim wit Malcom actually became an initiator for a short time, I remember catching his act at satsang one night and I could not believe what I was witnessing. No personality, no Charisma, no wisdom, nothing. I actually asked the community director what was up with this lamebrain and was told that I should listen with my heart and not my head. I said when my heart grows ears then I will, that is, if it's not too busy pumping blood through my body. Sheeeesh
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 23:05:13 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: brian too
Subject: Do you have any information about .......
Message:
.....the person who swapped my very excellent & expensive umbrella , for some shoddy leaky piece of shit , after a Luton ashram satsang on a rainy evening sometime in the 1970's , fuck knows when ?

You'll get your reward in heaven.


pax

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:42:48 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: What year(s) are you talking about? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:23:42 (GMT)
From: kapiladev
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Everyone
Subject: was a dlm president killed in a plane crash
Message:
i remember hearing that one dlm pres was killed in a plane crash . then we heard it was just a made up cover story to hide the fact the guy split dlm . anyone know about this caper?
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:26:48 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: was a dlm president killed in a plane crash
Message:
Go to the Forum archives search engine and do a search on Mishler and you'll get all the relevant posts regarding Bob Mishler's death in a hellecopter crash.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:13:47 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Your'e really serious with this stuff, Kap...
Message:
even though we're all kidding around with you, it seems as though you are really serious about it.

I know that people have said this to you before, but IT'S ONLY AS REAL AS YOUR MIND SAYS IT IS. That's YOUR mind, not the Lard's mind, nor anyone else's.

You are the Lord of your own Universe. You are God, as much as anyone is! If you find yourself scared about someone else using their negative psychic powers on you, it's a great 'sign' from God telling you that it's time to beef up your own feeling of safety. It's knowing that you are sovereign in your experience that protects you. And you know it by deciding it. That is the big decision that so many of us made by leaving MJ. We decided to become our own leaders. The universe was happy to agree and go along, since it's only a big YES to all our thoughts anyway.

Kap, you are safe and protected. Just declare it and take your focus off this hocus pocus and put it on yourself and having some fun and rebuilding your life of love and safety.

If you don't, I will turn you into a toad!

Love Disculta

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:10:08 (GMT)
From: kapiladev
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Everyone
Subject: where
Message:
at what point in time did rawat start taking drugs . i remember being tormented for going to a satsang stoned
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:47:36 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: Michael says M started smoking doobies in the 70s
Message:
About the same time he was forbidding thousands of his followers from using any drugs, drinking, having sex, eating meat, and during the same period he projected the image of a wholesome, chaste, chai-sipping, spiritual leader, who apparently, while accepting kudos from governmental bodies for saving us all from 'drug culture,' was engaging in it (nightly) himself with his own devotees, while listening to really bad rock and roll music.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:49:43 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: That Was A Great Album, Joe . . .
Message:
I thought Frampton Comes Alive really good myself, and listened to it alot also. Good at the time, of course. I don't think I'd go near it now. Whatever happened to the guy, I wonder?

At least M had reasonable taste in rock music. Wonder what he listens to now when high?

(Hey Maharaji -- I grew out of the dope smoking phase years ago -- have you yet??)

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 04:57:51 (GMT)
From: brian too
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: That Was A Great Album, Joe . . .
Message:
Frampton is alive and well, playing the fair Circuit, caught his act last year. You wouldn't recognize him bald and greyfringe , gaunt and aging. That is until he strikes a few licks on the old guitar, and there he is, sounds just as he did twenty five years ago, maybe better
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:56:25 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: There you go
Message:
It was not you that was stoned. It was him.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:55:57 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: mid seventies is all we know so far-nt
Message:
dfg
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:01:05 (GMT)
From: kapiladev
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Everyone
Subject: has rawat ever attacked anyone with his phychic po
Message:
does anyone remember rawat attacking anyone with his phychic powers?
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 23:07:34 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: Help....
Message:
Ah you bastard. Rawat just made my ANZAC cookies dissappear. Now I have to go and get more.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:16:18 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: Maharaji never attacked anyone
Message:
But many of you will remember that Maharaji magically produced a potted plant in the lobby of a Satellite Event in New York, when I had to go potty really, really bad. It was only by his divine grace and power that I didn't wet my pants. I am forever grateful for that gift.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:13:21 (GMT)
From: Monica Lewis
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: 'Phychic' was a nickname Goobie gave me
Message:
He said I was his 'fy chic' but I never knew what that meant. Hahahaha. We never had sex, though, I just gave him loving devotion and he gave me special darshan. It was only by divine immaculate conception that I got pregnant (twice), but Goobie bought me a nice house in the valley and he paid for the abortions, which are legal in California, I think. I am just so grateful for all the gifts he has given me, including a Cadillac El Dorado.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:09:10 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: kapiladev
Subject: has rawat ever attacked anyone with his phychic po
Message:
Hail Swami Kapiladev Ji Maharaj, oh great one.

How are your very august brothers Vein Ji and Artery Ji?

By the way, what the hell does 'phychic' mean?

Your cousin in the holey family of the heart,

Steve

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:47:06 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: May Allah be my witness
Message:
For I shall not speak. And bill, go away.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:20:14 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat?
Message:
kapildev,

I told you once already. Rawat doesn't have any psychic powers. It was me that pinned you to the floor in London.

If you don't stop claiming it was Rawat, I may be forced to use my powers on you again- only this time it will be more serious.

I will change you into a hamster and make you run around in one of those metal wheels for a couple of days, eating only sunflower seeds and drinking water with sawdust in it. That will make you realise who has the real power around here.

Shri Anthanandinizpokit.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 00:14:22 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: That was a good one , laughed like a drain (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:29:50 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Shri Anthanandinizpokit
Subject: after you've been playing pocket billiards in it?
Message:
Never mind, Anth, perhaps this might help.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:07:11 (GMT)
From: Mahatama Batta ma Ball
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat?
Message:
You are now going to meet a strange man . His name is Shri Indian Bookmaker. Great misfortune will befall you if you follow his Agya. Ask the South African Monmot Shri Hanse Kronje.
Fear not that great cricket loving Queer Avatar Shri Sai Baba will rescue you from this horrible fate. You may have to suck up to him quite a bit. Just keep your head down Kapil......
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:29:56 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mahatama Batta ma Ball
Subject: Mahatma-Ji be careful
Message:
You are meddling with powers beyond your comprehension.

People think that Mahatma Ashokanand left the UK and went back to India.

He never showed up at Delhi Airport, but the day he left, a small white mouse appeared at the Palace of Peace.

I also changed Mahatma Umesh Dhar into budgerigar that could chirp 'Twameva Mata' in the key of A minor.

Sigh Antha with the Biggest Siddhis in Town.

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 21:56:07 (GMT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Asokanand
Message:
Was he sent back because he was to interested in people's cameras and other toys?

C.G.

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:09:56 (GMT)
From: Mahatma Caught Behind
Email: For a Duck!
To: AJW
Subject: Mahatma-Ji be careful
Message:
I'm rather partial to white mice. Once you get the feathers off , Budgerigars are not bad either!(< \
(< /
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:30:10 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat?
Message:
even rawats asram presedents had power to place invisible force fields arround people
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:36:58 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: kapildev, do you want an orrange fur coat?
Message:
Yes kap, but their powers were nothing next to mine.

They are but ants, scurrying around the droppings of a mighty elephant.

Anth with a long grey nose eating 500 kilos of salad a day.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:03:43 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: has rawat ever attacked anyone with his phychic po
Message:
He once tried to attack Marolyn with a ouja board. But he missed and it smashed against the wall.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:35:32 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I redirected it
Message:
Sir Dave,

The Ouija Board was redirected by my long distance Siddhi Powers.

I once smacked Princess Margret over the head with a Monopoly Set (still in the box) from 120 miles, while in the bath in Nottingham.

Anth- mess with me and you might find it raining dice and plastic counters.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 17:04:55 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I redirected it
Message:
Now I know why I lost that last game of Snakes & Ladders. God, you're awesome!

But please, O Powerul one, let everyone fall down (except me) the next time I play 'Twister' this Christmas.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 17:23:39 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Only if...
Message:
...you promise to be a good aristocrat next year.

Otherwise you'll wake up one morning with a Totopoly horse up one nostril, a little top hat up the other, and a pirate ship up the English Channel.

Shri Shakeittotheleftanand.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 15:56:32 (GMT)
From: Monica
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: Goobie gave me a physic once
Message:
back in his 'water sports' days...
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:00:52 (GMT)
From: Tom
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: New CD by Kim O'Leary
Message:
Many ex-premies/pwks will remember the singer Kim O'Leary/Field who made a significant musical contribution to Maharaji's enterprise since the 1970's. She has released a CD recently, non-devotional songs, that is available through the internet at http://www.kimoleary.com
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:26:14 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: Tom
Subject: Danny Ellis
Message:
Funny coincidence - just found an old business card of Divine Choirboy Danny Ellis. Take a look.

Remember Danny from the old days? He got to Runner-Up in the Eurovision Song Contest one year - guess there weren't quite enough premies voting that year.

Now he's putting his angelic vocals to a much more pragmatic use - click the link and see!!

Anyone in touch with him still, just wondering if he's still singing the Lord's praises?

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:18:23 (GMT)
From: magnolia
Email: None
To: Bazza
Subject: m.'s birthday cake with danny ellis and others
Message:
hello-

i've no affiliation with the guru other than being in love with a long-term premie, which can make things strange from time to time. i had the opportunity to attend M's absentee 'birthday party' last sunday with a group of long-term followers and watched a couple of dozen gray-haired folks sing 'happy birthday to maharaji' around a beautiful chocolate cake covered with blazing candles. i declined to sing or eat the cake. most of these people are sincere, intelligent and interesting, just like my fiancee. however, even before i began reading all of the information on this website several months ago, the whole phenomenon just seemed too weird for words.

i have talked to my boyfriend about many of the stories and issues raised on this site, but he is one of the true believers. i try to compare it to being in love with a mormon or a pentecostal - that is, try not to argue about it too much, it only encourages the faith. in any case, he does not appear to donate much money to the cause, and other than having m.'s picture right on the bedside table, i don't have to deal with the issue excessively. he first saw maharaji in 1972(?) or 1973, when he first arrived at long beach, so he's pretty much a lifer.

anyway, i believe that there was a danny ellis there, who has a recording studio in western north carolina. he spent most of the evening talking with a musician named ian, who also was from the olden days of dlm. everyone there seemed to be old-timers at the party, who knew each other from denver and other divine light settlements. it seemed that there were no new converts, none of their grown children seemed to have followed in their footsteps (there was one exception i've heard of, a daughter of one of the couples). they were having a little fundraiser for a video viewing room and library.

i have told my fiancee that i have no interest in any group which requires devotion of a master, although i am glad that his meditation benefits him. i avoid sarcasm and disrespect toward him, but i find myself digging for more dirt regarding maharaji in my spare time, just to stroke my perverse curiosity.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 09:52:56 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: m.'s birthday cake with danny ellis and others
Message:
Hi magnolia,

I really chuckled when I read your post. I've been to a few crazy parties like the one you mentioned.

You should know that each of the premies is silently hoping that their wonderful deep 'vibes' will affect you, and you too will become interested in experiencing the 'knowledge of all knowledges deep within', but they're all being cool enough to wait for you to ask them about it.

If you were slightly sadistic, you could get one of them on your own, and say something like, 'When I'm with you guys I seem to feel different. I can't really explain it. It's almost as if you know a secret and I don't.'

Watch their faces light up and check out the response.

Then you could say, 'Wow. That's amazing. So what do I have to do to join this post-hippy, decaying personality cult?'

Danny Ellis is an old pal of mine. He went down to Spain a few years ago and had a spot singing in one of my Irish cousins' bars in Malaga.

have fun

anth who still knows a couple of secrets but can't find his shoes.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:44:48 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: bshaw8@bellsouth.net
To: magnolia
Subject: Great post magnolia - thanks.
Message:
Wow, thanks for writing 'magnolia', I'm sure you'll get qute a bit of interest going. I only recently left the 'lotus feet' so to speak, after 23 years of intense involvement. I probably know your fiancee actually, as I was very involved with divine Productions.

You can get tons and tons of information by following the links at the top - DLM/EV Papers and the Ex-Premie.Org Dig down through the links, hours of fun!!

The fundraiser for the video viewing room and library - I take it that was for maharaji's house? Doesnt it strike you as a bit much when the guy is worth millions that he still has to cajole his devotees into ponying up for his home improvements?

I'd be interested to know if your fiancee reads this site and if so, do you guys talk about it? How did you manage to find it?

I'll leave it at that - don't be surprised if you get hit with a bunch more questions and comments though!!

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 05:27:57 (GMT)
From: magnolia
Email: None
To: Bazza
Subject: i prefer sex music and mind-altering drugs to m.
Message:
no, actually, the funds are for a local viewing room and library. i was a little surprised by how small the local group appears to be - even my boyfriend seems a bit unsure as to why the room is needed. the group does not appear to be of the proselytizing variety. in any case, it's a modest endeavor.

my fiancee has no interest in any negative opinions regarding maharaji, and has never looked at this website. he did seem to accept what i had read about the jagdeo scandal, although m. himself is pretty much above criticism. but, my man himself pokes a little fun at the sheer goofiness of the divine light mission of the seventies, especially as i kept finding fun items like an early songbook (worse than the vacation bible school jingles i learned in the baptist church!) and many dlm magazines and pamphlets. these historical papers got me digging on the internet to find out more about the organization, so that i could develop my own viewpoint. i've been to a video or two and looked at the elan vital site, but i'm just not attracted to m.

despite our guru differences, we get along wonderfully. we talk about everything, but we don't try to convert each other. i like to insist, though, that light is light, meditation is meditation, altered states of consciousness come in a variety of ways in all religions, and that i don't believe that one man, maharaji, has a monopoly on ecstasy. that's what drugs, religion, sex, dancing, and a bunch of other things are good for, too.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 07:49:19 (GMT)
From: X
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: another from a DLM past
Message:
Music from another dlm veteran
There were good times too!
Times of real happiness.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 16:36:28 (GMT)
From: magnolia
Email: None
To: X
Subject: jimmie dale gilmore and others
Message:
i saw jd gilmore a couple of years back, and my boyfriend told me that he was another premie playing in denver back in the seventies. is gilmore still involved with maharaji? how about olivia harrison, george's wife? michael nouri? i see their names in old public relations literature, and wonder about their status.
thanks.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:59:31 (GMT)
From: X
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: others
Message:
Seems that Gilmore has taken what he feels to be of value and is enjoying his life and being a success in that, as is your boyfriend.
Everyone participating on this site has the opportunity to be a success. There is a need for criticism and there is a greater need for positive goals and action to attain those goals.
Yes, we are alive and have this Internet communication medium. Now, what will we do with all that potential?
Will we have to work hard to achieve the best. Oh yeah.

Have fun!

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 18:20:17 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: jimmie dale gilmore and others
Message:
My friends and I see Jimmie Dale Gilmore when he comes thru Seattle (a couple times a year). He is a WONDERFUL guy and fabulous musician, has evolved incredibly over the years (both personally--as we all have--and musically). I think he's more into Buddhism these days than Maharaji.

Anyone interested can look at his website: www.jimmiegilmore.com

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:19:53 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: That's funny, so does m.!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:53:20 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: PS
Message:
If your fella has been around for ages, you might like to buy this video from amazon.com:

The Lord of the Universe

It was filmed in 1973 around a big festival in Houston. Who knows, maybe you'll see him there, with long hair and a 70's suit!!

It could also explain some of the intense devotion - we were all led to believe that this 'master' was in fact the Living Lord, Jesus Borne Again, etc etc, a fact vehemently denied in current maharaji propoganda, but if you watch the video, its pretty hard to dispute. Bottom line is, its a cult, and the man you love is unfortunately still stuck in it up to his ears.

Good luck.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:28:12 (GMT)
From: magnolia
Email: None
To: Bazza
Subject: got a used copy of that video?
Message:
wow, i've gotta see that video. he was at the houston event featured.

but, one thing i want to say regarding the bitterness of many of the ex-premies here: it's okay to feel duped and angry, but i wish that y'all would withold such harsh judgments toward those still involved. i was speaking in tongues and passing out tracts back when many of you were meditating in your closets, but i can still talk to christians without assuming that they are idiots. i spent years giving time and money to fundamentalist christian causes, and lost most of my friends in high school and college due to my misguided zeal, but i chalk it up to youthful idealism.

sure, i believe that maharaji is running a cult, but i think that most organized religions are cults of one type or another. in my fiancee's case, it's just a fraction of his brain involved in devotion. he functions like any other kind person, and many folks close to him have no idea that he even has a guru. i don't see my boyfriend's money disappearing into m.'s swiss accounts. most of the premies i've met seem to take their guru in moderation.

none of this excuses m.'s adult actions, and i hope that he gets his karmic justice. however, i hope that all you ex-es will treat m.'s followers with compassion and respect, not with contempt and ridicule. we're all just muddling through life the best we can.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 20:59:11 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: I've got a brand new copy of that video
Message:
Hi magnolia,
I,ve enjoyed your posts and by coincidence the mailman delivered a copy of this video 'the lord of the universe' only yesterday.
I,m an old premie (on and off,it's a long story) and now a very new ex-premie.
Last night, I invited my husband (a non-premie) to watch the video with me. Fortunately he fell asleep after five minutes. I say fortunately because I found it excruciatingly embarassing. I was there at Houston astrodome for the non event of the millenium, I was a WPC usher (Hee Hee I'm letting it all out tonight)
I just can't believe that I thought and talked like that....but I did and I believed it all. Even a month ago something of a residue of the belief that M is god incarnate persisted. But now the veil of delusion has lifted and the difference is phenomenal.
However I agree with you that it is not helpful to pour scorn on true beleiving and 'participating' premies, M looks after that himself!! sorry couldn't resist that.
I had some of the best times of my life around( I stress around because I never got close) Marjy and his premies some of whom are my best friends, I just hope they'll continue to be. But, not at the price of my new found freedom. I just hope your husband gets there one day. One thing that always struck me about this site is the fear premies have of visiting here....WHY if they're so sure and certain of their truth are they so afraid to look at any criticism?
Anyway, all the best to you, and thanks for contributing your unique perspective.
Love Kelly
PS Give me your address and I'll send you the video
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Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 02:42:59 (GMT)
From: magnolia
Email: gddess@frontiernet.net
To: Kelly
Subject: I've got a brand new copy of that video
Message:
hi-
what a kind message! yes, i would be very interested in viewing that video. i can't really post my address here, but you can e-mail me for my information.

many thanks!

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 06:32:22 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: magnolia
Subject: Agreed. nt
Message:
xox
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 16:59:35 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Tom
Subject: she was so sweetsie and boring
Message:
I remember the last music tape I bought before leaving the cult 2 weeks later. It was Drifting. I was so pissed when I played it in my car, only to discover very little of Dya's stuff on there and lots of crooning Kim.
I threw it away.

Well maybe she'll fucking wake up and cut her hair and do some anger stuff with her music. haha.

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 02:46:48 (GMT)
From: True ex
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: she was so sweetsie and boring
Message:
Do you remember when in Long Long Beach 96' -I think that- she almost had an orgasm (or she did) singing to The Leaving LORD??

What a bunch!

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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:29:55 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: True ex
Subject: I guess that is why these men like her
Message:
good one True ex :) Why do they find it sexy to see an attractive (I guess if you go for that type as a guy I mean) woman lose herself over that guru? hell I don't know. Maybe I'm jealous that none of the male PAM's ever came close to doing that for me :)

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 20:41:51 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Ha! Imagine M the 'Perfect Punk'!
Message:
Hi Selene

You'll have to forgive (oh yes you won't) the pic I just posted in response to Hal's post below (in the thread from Mr Free called 'True Premie - Read and understand this').

...and I did NOT mean to say 'God created Man in her own image'!

(Whaddya think I am? - a masochist or sumfink?)

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 22:07:46 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Ha! Imagine M the 'Perfect Punk'!
Message:
He's the ultimate punk that is for sure.
Couldn't find the post you referenced but fear not my feminist side only reacted to the 'new model' thingy as in:
as if that was a disaster to be dumped by M.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 00:34:12 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Selene
Subject: Perfect Nerd, Perfect Asshole, Perfect Shmuck, Per
Message:
A musician friend of mine who did service in Malibu and knows people there told me that m wouldn't allow drummers at programs the last few years to use sticks, only brushes, because the sound hurt his ears. I've seen in videos this to be true. Also notice he's had the singer lip-synch, Dya getting an exemption, the last few years and then he makes fun of them.

The guy's the 'Perfect Nerd' and 'Perfect Asshole' among many other non-complementary things I can think about him.

Steve

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:14:39 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Tom
Subject: New CD by Kim O'Leary/non-devotional?
Message:
just read the lyrics to these songs. They reflect years and years of cult conditioning.

I've always wondered if she has bad feelings about rawat trading her in for a newer model, i.e. to be the main singer at cult events. Maybe the fact that the newer model was his daughter helped, maybe not!

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:09:50 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: JTF
Subject: The Newer Model's An Import - Big Mistake
Message:
Interesting point. Kim was my favourite part of the cult for years. I guess I liked her voice better than rawat's.

I felt bad for her when she was 'traded in'. It was one of the first grains of sand that irritated me, outside of my own psychotic breakdowns, of course.

Steve

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 17:19:59 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: The Newer Model concept is bizarre
Message:
If she has any brain cells left she will realize she hasn't
'been traded in' (sheesh!!) but has been liberated.
And with any luck the newer model will get a brain in a decade or so and figure that out too.
That's what happened to my ex. {snicker}
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:18:54 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Selene
Subject: Don't Put Down My Former Fantasy Objects
Message:
I used to have the hots for her. Used to fantasize her by my side seranading me to the tune of 'Dark Night, Let Me Discover Your End'.

I wonder if her wish has been fulfilled yet. Somehow I don't think the Lard Of His Universe has fullfilled any good wishes yet.

Steve

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 12:35:41 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Is Ross Hannerford still a Premie? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 10:45:00 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Does anyone know? Is she still a premie? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:27:00 (GMT)
From: hal
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Oh yes indeed - devoted as ever nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 13:35:32 (GMT)
From: Kjarne
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Does anyone know? Is she still a premie?
Message:
I think so.

I heard her sing at an event in London in 1998. She is a very good singer.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 06:52:36 (GMT)
From: Mr. Free
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Damn it Hal You are totally right
Message:
Though I have read much of the bible and often refer to it you laid out my whole conflict in your response. I sincerely tried to accept Christ because I felt he was THE ONE but I kept running into bloodshed and violence, and as you said vengeance.
I really got smoked on 2 fronts in my life. Maharaji who I never walked away from. I went to satsang one day in LA and all of a sudden there was no satsang hall and no contacts. Didn't hear for years later what went down. Then as I got into Christ I ran into a God who killed the innocent for the guilty, punished and rewarded whom he willed, and struck down shepards and scaterred sheep.
I saw the nature and character of God as being as Paul who was a viscious prick in his own earlier days, loving kind longsuffering, merciful, one who could not exist where sin existed. That was my measuring stick as to what was of and from God. But when they passed the blood and crackers at communion I refused it for years on the ground that I wouldn't of killed him why should I drink his blood. If a voice came down from heaven and asked me to put my son on a rock and kill him I'd say come on down you fucking coward and say that man to man to my face. Your tempting me to commit murder? Sure you want to see how far I will really go in my trust and obediance.
You know what? Meditate! Cultivate all the love and kindness possible! And when the evil one comes stand up and blow his face off with both barrels.
I'm not waving a rams shoulder at the lord for a wave offering! Rams were created by the original God and they got rights too. You know what. Fuck NOAH!!!!!! Everything was washed away and it was all new. So he gets drunk and his son walks in and accidently seea him naked. So Noah curses him. Fuck that drunken son of a no account bitch. You know what else? All those animals on the ark. The first thing he does is get off the ark light a fire and kill some of the animals for a sweet savor to the lord! Fuck him!!
Anyway, I got to hold what is true in my heart, but thanks hal and stay in touch. Damnit you really echoed a few of my thoughts and feelings. I might want to stay in correspondence with you. Just don't hold it against Christians or Moslems who are trying to be good and upright people as best they can. They need your encouragement as do the Jeews and anyone else who is sincerely trying
Good luck,
Mr. Free
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 14:02:22 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Mr. Free
Subject: Damn it Hal You are totally right
Message:
Hal is a good read that is true.

I cannot read the bible except a few sentences that yeshua(jesus) said. The one about there is only one commandment you have to be bothered about, try to love your life, others, and life itself. OR at least try to LIKE it all!

Not bad advice.

Reading almost anyone else in that book, is really asking for it.
SO much to say about god, and no need for it!
No use for it!
We are nuts.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:11:26 (GMT)
From: Iamnottelling
Email: lol@lol
To: Mr. Free
Subject: Damn it Hal, let him go
Message:
. --->

Open the pod bay doors Hal.

[Take the letter and use the very next letter in the alphabet.]

HAL {H=I,,,A=B,,,L=M) as in IBM, like the computer IBM company as in the movie 2001 a space odyssey.

Yes, (lol) Hal I understand why you let him go into space, because he is a real space cadet. ;-)

-------------------------------------------------------------
And _{?He?}_ said, 'Just don't hold it against Christians or Moslems who are trying to be good and upright people as best they can. They need your encouragement as do the Jeews and anyone else who is sincerely trying'
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Hold against whom ever, what ever you feel appropriate to hold against them.

Things will only work out if they are worked out. {Duh}

lol

Do not say anything to the waiter who has his thumb in your soup as he sets it down in front of you, he is doing as best he can.

No, say something about it!

BTW, I think it is Jews not Jeews, but is it politically incorrect now to correct? And if it is DO NOT BUY INTO IT!!!

Also taking {K} might not be good for you.

lol

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 08:07:37 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Mr. Free
Subject: More freedom - Mr Free!
Message:
Thanks bro',

I'm grateful that you didn't take personal affront to what I said. I know there are some beautiful folks who are Christians ( Padre michael on this forum is one) and I respect their beliefs but I just have to express my feelings on that literally bloody book.

Right thought , right speech , right action. Be true to myself that's my creed these days and I too used to carry plenty of baggage in the form of beliefs in higher powers. We are that which we look for outside. We have the power to create a good life and a good world, individually.

If you want to discuss anything I am steve.mulley@clix.pt and I live in Portugal although I'm a Brit.

Best to you
Hal

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 14:15:30 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: freedom with definate limits, mr Free
Message:
'we are that which we look for outside'

Is that a helpful sentence Hal?

That is usually tied to the idea that we are the it and 'it is only our idea of who we are that keeps us from realizing who we really are'

Which unfortunatly(?) is not true.
We have limits we cant get out of via our 'viewpoint'.
That is the key issue. No matter how we percieve it in any given moment, we are bound by design to be stuck under the boundries of human nature. The boundries themselves are what show us the evidence that the 'oneness' is self aware.

SO many religions want to describe god. But their analysis
doesnt stand scrutiny when matched to actual human nature.

The design of our boundries tells us the story of the power that did the binding. NOT the god as advertised by all!

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:13:21 (GMT)
From: hal
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Human nature can change mr Bill...
Message:
Haven't you changed since you were 18 ?

Kind regards

Hal

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:16:31 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: hal
Subject: Human nature can change mr Bill...
Message:
Hi Hal,
Not the flexible part of human nature Hal, the boundries.
The inflexible constraints we are under.
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Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 08:35:08 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Ah those constraints ......
Message:
Well I think that's gonna get a little too metaphysical for the forum, who places the constraints etc..etc.... Imagination, creation, vision etc etc...

Think I'll leave it there Bill if you don't mind,

Have a good one,
Hal

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 21:17:30 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Mr Bill Is NOT me..nt
Message:
eryq
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 06:33:58 (GMT)
From: Buzz
Email: None
To: Jamie Hill
Subject: Happy Days
Message:

)
The following statement was written by Krishnamurti himself on October 21, 1980 in which he summarises the teachings. It may be copied and used provided this is done in its entirety. No editing or change of any kind is permitted. No extracts may be used. (picture of the cover of the leaflet)

'The core of Krishnamurti's teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security - religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man's thinking, his relationships and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. The individuality is the name, the form and superficial culture he acquires from tradition and environment. The uniqueness of man does not lie in the superficial but in complete freedom from the content of his consciousness, which is common to all mankind. So he is not an individual.

Freedom is not a reaction; freedom is not a choice. It is man's pretence that because he has choice he is free. Freedom is pure observation without direction, without fear of punishment and reward. Freedom is without motive; freedom is not at the end of the evolution of man but lies in the first step of his existence. In observation one begins to discover the lack of freedom. Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity. Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution.

When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep radical mutation in the mind.

Total negation is the essence of the positive. When there is negation of all those things that thought has brought about psychologically, only then is there love, which is compassion and intelligence.'

©1993 The Krishnamurti Foundation Trust Ltd,
Brockwood Park, Bramdean, Hampshire, England.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 00:44:06 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: A Joke
Message:
Q;How many cult leaders does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A;One.A cult leader will screw almost anything!
Maybe I better not give up my day job eh.
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 00:54:32 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: A Serious Joke
Message:
I think cult leaders like Rawat are psychopathic. An ordinary con man might con an old person out of their life savings and not feel any remorse. A sicko might go postal. But to ruin lives and create a fertile ground for intense guilt and shame and suicidal tendencies which might well end up in completed suicide and get away with it is the ultimate in a psychopathological, sociopathological diseased mind in my opinion.

Even Hitler paid the piper.

Steve

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 03:10:35 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: A Serious Joke
Message:
G'Day steve,Sorry if I offended you,I thought a bit of light humour is just what the doctor ordered(every now and then anyway)
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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 18:18:49 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Alternative punchline
Message:
Q;How many cult leaders does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: It's impossible for them. They're too busy screwing their followers.

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Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 19:08:26 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Alternative punchline
Message:
I like that
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