Ex-Premie Forum 6 Archive
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Court Reporter -:- Documented 'drug money' story -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 18:17:22 (EDT)
__ Deprogram Anand Ji -:- Re: Documented 'drug money' story -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:39:01 (EDT)
__ la-ex -:- Re: Documented 'drug money' story -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 22:30:58 (EDT)
__ __ la-ex -:- Re: Documented 'drug money' story -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 22:35:50 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Re: Documented 'drug money' story -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 19:32:57 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- The 70's -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:53:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: The 70's -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 20:16:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ wolfie -:- Re: The 70's -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:07:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: The 70's, 80's 90's 00's -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 20:25:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ wolfie -:- okay...I don't care for PT -:- Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:30:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- okay...Who does???? [nt] -:- Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 23:21:12 (EDT)

Just in! -:- Rug money supports Maharaji! -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:32:36 (EDT)
Johnson Harrington -:- You Pathetic Creep -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 18:27:02 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- You appear to be very frightened. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:26:13 (EDT)
More damning evidence! -:- Re: blood and murder money -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:52:19 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- Very funny -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:08:14 (EDT)
__ __ Little Mo -:- Never Mind That, Here Comes Mongo -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:39:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ Passing Through -:- Confession.....I once worked in advertising -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:58:08 (EDT)

JP -:- some info, pliz -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 13:14:34 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: some info, pliz -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 21:02:26 (EDT)
__ Francesca -:- Also try the mother of all sites -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:24:02 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Try here to start -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 14:46:49 (EDT)

Rev John Hammond-Smyth -:- The word that cannot be spoken -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:19:05 (EDT)
__ such -:- verily! [nt] -:- Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 15:03:13 (EDT)
__ John the Laptop -:- Re: The word that cannot be spoken -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 17:37:54 (EDT)
__ Big Mo -:- Re: The word that cannot be spoken -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 19:39:52 (EDT)
__ Postie -:- Halle-freakin'-lujah Rev JH-S! I see delight! [nt] -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:17:44 (EDT)
Yeah right -:- Re: The word that cannot be spoken -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:39:19 (EDT)
__ gerry -:- Bravo, Rev, Bravo! [nt] -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:32:35 (EDT)

Passing Through -:- Window of opportunity -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:25:42 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- SEE THE PREMIE DODGE THE QUESTIONS. -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 14:21:07 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Do you realize the damage you're doing to M? -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:33:52 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Hey, Big Mouth. -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 08:40:44 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Re: Window of opportunity -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 00:09:49 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: Window of opportunity -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 21:46:13 (EDT)
__ __ Richard -:- Dare I say **Best of Forum** -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 22:37:06 (EDT)
__ bill -:- windows.net -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:28:03 (EDT)
__ Moley -:- Getting your tits out in public... -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:24:22 (EDT)
__ __ Selene -:- breastfeeding? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 21:21:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: breastfeeding? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 23:29:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- what's funny -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 23:48:09 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Re: Is your confidence dwindling -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:20:52 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- An old chesnut. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:27:42 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- Re: An old chesnut. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:35:19 (EDT)
__ Francesca :C) -:- Passing Gas perhaps? [nt] -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:25:29 (EDT)
__ Nigel -:- A question for you, first, PT... -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:10:31 (EDT)
__ cq -:- Window of opportunity still open -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:58:27 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- To CQ -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:20:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Re: To CQ -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 13:34:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- To Passing Through -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:18:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ sivan -:- told to believe -:- Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:31:31 (EDT)
__ Abi -:- very dull -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:33:53 (EDT)
__ __ Selene -:- never has -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 00:43:22 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Bleh!..................(nt) -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:42:39 (EDT)
__ Way -:- Re: Window of opportunity -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:00:51 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Of course -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:25:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Re: Of course -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:28:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- How about Jagdeo? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:39:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Excuse me....PT -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:30:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re: How about Jagdeo? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:27:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- on the way to Way -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:13:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Final word to Passing Through -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:53:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ New-Age Redneck -:- Re: How about Jagdeo? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:12:47 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- OK - I'll give it a go -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:09:23 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Not there yet JHB -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:36:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ JHB -:- You missed the point (deliberately?) -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:47:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- Don't be angry John!I'm trying -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:55:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- I'm not angry in the slightest:-) -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:31:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- Can In try again,John? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:58:43 (EDT)
__ MrT -:- Is it cos you likes toe kissing? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:57:44 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- I agree, Mr T -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:10:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ David -:- So do we -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:19:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- Not all -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:25:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ David -:- The Royal We, maybe [nt] -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:39:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- M'Lord.............................(nt) -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:02:11 (EDT)

Passing Through -:- Dishonesty still there -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:43:23 (EDT)
__ Nigel -:- Stupid beyond belief, Kenneth... -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:08:19 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- But stopping for Nigel -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:46:52 (EDT)
__ David -:- Drug money supports Maharaji -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:49:38 (EDT)
__ __ DeProGram Anand Ji -:- Re: Drug money supports Maharaji -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:05:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ la-ex -:- Depro: I agree, but one important fact... -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:11:49 (EDT)
__ __ Even hotter! -:- Drag money supports Maharaji! -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:12:21 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Well done david! -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:07:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ David -:- Drug dealing is illegal though -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:14:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- We know it's bullshit but -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:19:17 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: Dishonesty still there -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:14:23 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Delivery for janet -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:21:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ David -:- So what? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:15:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- Old new is no news. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:22:10 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ David -:- I never claimed otherwise -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:38:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- The sin of omission -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:05:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- You do that every time, Ken. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:47:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- You said it in spades -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:43:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- it's already happening -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 23:52:21 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- Re: Dishonesty still there -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:17:39 (EDT)
__ Mr. Mind -:- Re: Dishonesty still there -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:48:27 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- No! You first! -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:03:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ Passing Through -:- Please, please, me! -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:16:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Tim G -:- Re: Please, please, me! -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:53:49 (EDT)

Mr. Mind -:- I want this Knowledge!/ Free Will? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:36:06 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Re: Great link guys -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:21:02 (EDT)

Deborah -:- What is KNOWLEDGE? Really, what is it! -:- Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 16:06:44 (EDT)
__ Nigel -:- belief + serotonin = devotion -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:19:48 (EDT)
__ __ Deborah -:- Re: belief + serotonin = devotion -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:41:27 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- That's an easy question. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:34:15 (EDT)
__ __ Deborah -:- Re: That's an easy question. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:48:43 (EDT)
__ __ Richard II -:- Re: That's an easy question. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:36:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ JHB -:- May I respond??? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:50:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Richard II -:- Re: May I respond? -:- Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 21:24:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Re: That's an hard question. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:51:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Richard II -:- Re: That's an hard question. -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 15:58:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- You misunderstand me Richard. -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 19:08:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard II -:- Re: You misunderstand me Richard. -:- Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 20:36:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- You're in a muddle Richard. -:- Thurs, Jul 26, 2001 at 07:08:56 (EDT)
__ Catweasel -:- What is it? Practice it and find out. -:- Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 21:38:37 (EDT)
__ __ AJW -:- Positive pathway for the future. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:37:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ Catweasel Bristow -:- And why are you wearing that dress? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:42:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Well Cat. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:55:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- Re: And why are you wearing that dress? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:23:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Hi Janet -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:02:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Catweasel singing you -:- May the Schwartz be with you.. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:06:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Do me a favour Cat. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:00:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- The verbose -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 19:24:46 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- Listen toe sucker -:- Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 22:24:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Lowdown on the Cat. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:25:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Anth is cat JS? NT -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:38:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jeth -:- How should I know Jeth? -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 14:30:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Anth I mean Jeth -:- To Anth -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 18:57:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Cat = David Whitla -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:47:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Re: Cat = David Whitla -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:39:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- or maybe Cat = JS -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 17:43:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ SF / Selene -:- The Lowdown Cat. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:56:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Re: The Lowdown Cat. -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:31:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ Catweasel -:- What do you suck? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:45:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ Mr D -:- Or do they? -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:24:56 (BST)


Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 18:17:22 (EDT)
From: Court Reporter
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Documented 'drug money' story
Message:
Does anyone remember a Washington, D.C. satellite community in Harper's Ferry, West Virginia in the late 70's, early 80's? There were half a dozen premies involved, who owned and/or worked for several businesses, and were quite active. They did quite well, and a considerable amount of money was sent to Rawat.

Around the spring of 1980, a police raid on the community leader's home uncovered a considerable amount of cash, a pound of cocaine and some marijuana.

This was all reported in the local papers at the time, except for the Rawat connection.

Ring any bells?

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:39:01 (EDT)
From: Deprogram Anand Ji
Email: None
To: Court Reporter
Subject: Re: Documented 'drug money' story
Message:
I was a premie in the DC area 72' through 76', I don't recall this community. In all fairness I think it is important to note that some premies continued to be involved in the drug culture against the wishes and official policies of DLM. I myself lived in two premie houses where drug use continued to be a part of the householders routine existance and drug sales were a means of producing income for some of the residents. DLM did not sanction or approve of this activity nor did they directly profit from it. The incident you are familiar with may be different but I am not familiar with it so it would not be fair for me to imply in any way that DLM or Rawat were involved in the distribution of illegal drugs.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 22:30:58 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Court Reporter
Subject: Re: Documented 'drug money' story
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 22:35:50 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Re: Documented 'drug money' story
Message:
Oh yeah, that one rings lots of bells.

There was a couple who ran a tourist shop in Harpers Ferry.
The shop was a knick-knack shop that couldn't bring in any money to speak of, and was only open for the summer months.
They always had lots of money that they bragged went to m.
Later, they started a mexican restaurant in town.
The brother of one of them told a number of DC premies that they all use to deal drugs...starting small, and getting in way over their heads after a while...

Another premie had a sandwich shop down the street, same deal.

I think I vaguely remember the bust...

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 19:32:57 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Court Reporter
Subject: Re: Documented 'drug money' story
Message:
Hard to keep up. Lots of premies were into drugs and importation.
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:53:05 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: The 70's
Message:
It is undeniable that when M first came to the west, the first people to pick up on him were the hippies.
Just look at the old footage and photos.
So what.
Is the EPO against pot smokers?
Or is it just premie pot smokers?
You're turning into red necks.
PT
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 20:16:43 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: The 70's
Message:
Sorry budinski, you lose. The stories started in the 70's and continued and continued and continued.

You asked:

Is the EPO is against smokers?

Got to ask folks on an individual basis. Why are you trivializing the issue?

or is it the premie pot smokers

No, premies should fire up a fat-one when they get home and forget about the Hindu bastard.

Then you say we're turning into rednecks.

Hello! Is any body home? This is Maha's tactic that is backfiring. Premies have never stopped doing drugs as a whole. Individuals have. THe premies are not the hypocrits. The Maha BigHead is the hypocrit.

Not only has he been drinking cognac since he was 13 and blowing doobies with the PAMs but he WARNED the premies not to and set them up in non-sexual environmments, dictated what they should eat, and intimidated them from any pleasures of the world they were entitled to experience.

So now he wants to look like a Malibu scatcat. Well FUCK HIM! The gig is up. He fucked up a lot of innocent people. He buried a concept so deep in the psychie of people (except the current premies, no, they're obviously not in a cult).

Premie money supports Maha. Many premies have and do sell drugs.

You were the one who came to EPO and challenged the concept. Now you are acting like we brought it up.

sorry it blew up in your face but you should have done your homework

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:07:16 (EDT)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: The 70's
Message:
Hi,

in this Hippie days, it had some idealistic standard to sell good dope to people. I remember the first macrobiotic restaurant in Berlin in 72 where the owner was dealing with good and clean dope. What is legal somewhere else is ilegal somewhere else. The ambitions behind drugdealing is differnent and according to my history it could be okay. I allways knew a lot of premies who were smoking pot and were pot is smoked there needs to be a deal, because in the most countries it is illegal. And for some people it was and is the chance to have a little income before there little bussiness ran comnpletly down.

A little smuggle here and there always was a chance for under- priveliged people to make a living. I know this creats a lot of problems, but I never would judge the drugdealing problem on this level.
Things would be different for me, if there would be a proof for smuggling dope ore cocaine in big amounts from one country to another with the intention to enrich the Rawat Family.

ciao ...wolfi

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 20:25:05 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: wolfie
Subject: Re: The 70's, 80's 90's 00's
Message:
Yes Wolfie, I agree with you. But this not the exes doing the complaints, it's Passing Through. He challenged to prove that drug money has or is supporting Maha.

He made a BIG MISTAKE by running up and down a thread fruitlessly attacking the responses.

The BigHead has also stated that WE at the EPO are all bitter ex-hippies addicted to drugs. Bastard hasn't been straight for over 30 years. He doesn't even meditate. He just lies about who he is and perpetuates a MASTER/DEVOTEE relationship so his fat ass could live high off the hog.

Therefore Maha's hypocrisy and defamation stands starkly in the spotlight for criticism.

PT should have done his homework before posting that stupid challenge.

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Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:30:17 (EDT)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: okay...I don't care for PT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 23:21:12 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: wolfie
Subject: okay...Who does???? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:32:36 (EDT)
From: Just in!
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Rug money supports Maharaji!
Message:
According to several very reliable sources, Amir Tarkanian, a Turkish aspirant, has been raising money for the Guru via the sales of expensive, patterned rugs, both area and throw in various sizes. Several of the recent European Guru visits were partially financed by these sales.

Wake up, people! This is happening now, in 2001!

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 18:27:02 (EDT)
From: Johnson Harrington
Email: None
To: Just in!
Subject: You Pathetic Creep
Message:
Very clever, Mr Wiseguy. These childish posts will do nothing to stop the world discovering the truth about the Maharaji's membership of the Medellin cartel and his recent stay at the Betty Ford Clinic. The secret is OUT. The press will be whipped up into a pirana-like frenzy and your foot fetish days are OVER.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:26:13 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Just in!
Subject: You appear to be very frightened.
Message:
This is only a cyber forum. You don't have to run and hide. The exes didn't start the thread, bozo, one of your own did. And read his silly retorts. Guy made a mistake by posting such a laughable statement. Now look at what you have to do to balance the faux pas.

Try a different strategy, you might get somewhere.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:52:19 (EDT)
From: More damning evidence!
Email: None
To: Just in!
Subject: Re: blood and murder money
Message:
Special investigative forces have learned that Joe McPutsy, a Philadelphia hot dog vendor, has paid for his reservation to programs with money acquired from McPutsy's role as a hot dog vendor. The media must be alerted immediately that the murder-for-meat business is behind maharaji's quest for Glabal Domination. The Hebrew National factory is now being kept under strict 24-hour surveillance.

It is clear that maharaji has BLOOD on his hands!!

here's the PROOF!!! http://206.61.100.37

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:08:14 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: More damning evidence!
Subject: Very funny
Message:
Does Maharaji get complimentary hotdogs? Looks like it.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:39:52 (EDT)
From: Little Mo
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Never Mind That, Here Comes Mongo
Message:
.........................Hotdogs................Rugs.............Burgers.................Pussy................Cognac.................Coke......................S&M....................Charcoal Suits & Brown Shoes........(purleeese!!!).................Bad Taste In Women....................Hey, When Did We Drop This Stuff!!??..........................Anyone Got Any E??...........Halitosis.........................Hotdogs................Rugs.............Burgers.................Pussy................Cognac.................Coke......................S&M....................Charcoal Suits & Brown Shoes........(purleeese!!!).................Bad Taste In Women....................Hey, When Did We Drop This Stuff!!??..........................Anyone Got Any E??.................Halitosis.........................Hotdogs................Rugs.............Burgers.................Pussy................Cognac.................Coke......................S&M....................Charcoal Suits & Brown Shoes........(purleeese!!!).................Bad Taste In Women....................Hey, When Did We Drop This Stuff!!??..........................Anyone Got Any E??...........Halitosis.........................Hotdogs................Rugs.............Burgers.................Pussy................Cognac.................Coke......................S&M....................Charcoal Suits & Brown Shoes........(purleeese!!!).................Bad Taste In Women....................Hey, When Did We Drop This Stuff!!??..........................Anyone Got Any E??.................Halitosis
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:58:08 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Little Mo
Subject: Confession.....I once worked in advertising
Message:
And on a tobacco account.
Can I still keep posting or do I need to be denied computer privileges by Mom and Dad?
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 13:14:34 (EDT)
From: JP
Email: Ancestor@www.com
To: All
Subject: some info, pliz
Message:
I'm doing some kind of personal research about M. I'm not ex nothing, I'm not into nothing. Just wandering if there's more web pages exposing M's big scheme and the corporation biz.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 21:02:26 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: JP
Subject: Re: some info, pliz
Message:
here is a list of links that puts most of the important links in one place.

Links

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:24:02 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: JP
Subject: Also try the mother of all sites
Message:
Try this one. The 'Best of Forum' is one part of this main site. The white papers are good. Just check the categories and happy reading.
[ Ex-Premie.org ]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 14:46:49 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: JP
Subject: Try here to start
Message:
Good luck.
[ Best of Forum ]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:19:05 (EDT)
From: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Email: pulpit@church.com
To: All
Subject: The word that cannot be spoken
Message:

The Word That Cannot Be Spoken

The Nameless One
And it came to pass that in those times, there dwelt in the Land of Prem, a prophet whose name was Charles the Nameless One. And he didst preach unto the multitudes his message of hate, and lo, his church was called the Church of Hate by the Children of Ex-prem.

And Charles the Nameless One went out unto the Lands of Prem and Ex-prem, even unto the Land of Lifes (sic) Great to spread his divine message and he causeth a great consternation to fall upon the land, yea, even unto the King and Queen whose names were Brian and Katie.

And The Nameless One didst mock the children of Ex-prem and taunteth their prophets and leaders and sayeth that they were unclean and quoteth from their scriptures of Saint Deborah and Saint Silvia saying, ''This is the proof that these people are an abomination in our land, for they are not professional writers like myself and know not the ways of the law.

''For verily I say unto you, I am a nationally graded fencer and have fought against the 12,453rd best warrior in the country and didst smite him with my foil.''

And The Nameless One didst see that it was good, for his church didst proclaim his own glory unto all the land.

And it came to pass that in the Forum of Ex-prem, there appeared a judge whose name was Bazza the Great. And he didst speak unto the Forum, saying, ''Woe to you, you Nameless One, for it is written in the secret texts of this place that thou art a lawyer whose name is Glasser.'' And the Children of Ex-prem all trembled and fell upon their faces as he spake thus, for he had uttered the name of the Nameless One.

And the King and Queen didst tear their clothes on hearing the Name of The Nameless One spoken. And they sayeth, ''O Bazza the Great, thou hast spoken the name that shall never be spoken and now thou must get thee hence from this place unto a land far away.''

And Bazza the Great didst take his leave and travelled unto the land of Lifes (sic) Great where he sought solace amongst the seers and prophets of that place.

And there came upon the Children of Ex-prem, a great tribulation as more and more people didst dare to speak the name of The Nameless One. Some sayeth that this was the work of the Devil and that The Nameless One had been sent from Satan to turn the Children of Ex-prem against one another. And lo, a great argument rose forth from the multitudes and they spake the words of war, such as ''Get lost asshole'' and ''Fuck you'' and there was a wailing and gnashing of teeth as nobody could agree on anything.

The Tribulation of Jim
Behold, in a vision I see the prophet, Jim of Heller, and he standeth alone in the wilderness. For Jim hath been cast out of the temple and he waileth unto the winds and yet no man heareth him. He seeketh refuge in the Land of AG and doth wander even unto the Land of Lifes (sic) Great. Yea, verily, his argument hath fallen upon deaf ears there for no man shall listen to him in that place.

The Battle
And I see rivers of blood that flow out of this land and I see the sons and daughters of Ex-prem in mortal combat against each other. I see them lift sword and dagger in anger and brother smites sister and sister smites brother. And I hear a voice rise up from the battle and lo, it is the voice of a great prophet from the City of Angels, for he sayeth, ''Thou canst stick thy forum up thine ass!''

And for many days and nights the battle rages, and they fight upon Forum V and unto the battlefield of AG thereon and still there is no end, for no man giveth an inch. And the prophets all say with one voice, ''Verily, we shall tear ourselves apart, for this is the Nameless One's doing and his power comes from Satan.''

And lo, I hear another voice that cometh from the battlefield and it is the voice of the Lady Deborah. And she sayeth, ''Canst thou lead us from this place, unto a better land?'' and the boy David sayeth, ''Consider it done.''

After the Battle
And there was a new Heaven and a new Forum and the Children of Ex-prem all layed down their swords and wept, for the fighting had been the fiercest ever seen in those times. And they travelled unto a land of wheat background and funny heads, where all men were free to speak what was on their minds. And the boy David sayeth, ''This land is yours and I will not interfere (too much) therein. For verily I say unto you, we all share a past that is unique amongst men and though we now walk upon different paths and have different brethren, let us not forget that we were once together.''

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Date: Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 15:03:13 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: verily! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 17:37:54 (EDT)
From: John the Laptop
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Re: The word that cannot be spoken
Message:
Verily I say unto thee ye have spaken with a voice of great wonder and tribulation. The trumpets have bleated thrice and the headless horseman of the apocalypso has been dismounted, yea, dismembered. Those who live in glass monitors should not throweth stones and let he who is without sin cast the first aspersion.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 19:39:52 (EDT)
From: Big Mo
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Re: The word that cannot be spoken
Message:
ALLELLUJAH!!




dah Rev HaV SpOke
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:17:44 (EDT)
From: Postie
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Halle-freakin'-lujah Rev JH-S! I see delight! [nt]
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:39:19 (EDT)
From: Yeah right
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Re: The word that cannot be spoken
Message:
Then how do you explain this little gem below? Looks like some folks jes' can't help themselves. New dawn for the forum? Looks like the same nightmare from here...

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Posted: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 22:24:22 (EDT)

Original: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 21:38:37 (EDT)
Posted by: Silvia
Recipient: Catweasel
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)

Subject: Listen toe sucker

Message:

YOU ARE AN IDIOT! You enjoy it? Let it be it. We got tired of it. We left. We WANT
to TALK BAD about it. Is good for us. We like it. We find enjoyment telling the truth, get
it?

You sound like your pompous ass MARIACHI! GO SERENADE SOMEWHERE
ELSE.

Let us alone. SCRAM!

WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE, premie, little, small, needy,
yuck...toe sucker!?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:32:35 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Bravo, Rev, Bravo! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:25:42 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Window of opportunity
Message:
Come on!
Give me your best shot.
I've read all the postings.
I still think M and K are in the clear.
30 minute free for all, starting now.
PT
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 14:21:07 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: SEE THE PREMIE DODGE THE QUESTIONS.
Message:
'Come on. Give me your best shot'

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Anth, who loves an intelligent conversation with a premie but hasn't had one since Mel last posted here.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:33:52 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Do you realize the damage you're doing to M?
Message:
I usually don't reply to drive-by posters but I just have to ask you: don't you have any idea how ridiculous you appear in print and how poorly your actions reflect upon your beloved master? It is beyond me what you hope to accomplish here. If you had replied honestly to even one of the responses you got, you may have been taken seriously. Otherwise you are a waste of even your own time.
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 08:40:44 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Hey, Big Mouth.
Message:
Come on!
Give me your best shot.
I've read all the postings.
I still think M and K are in the clear.
30 minute free for all, starting now.
PT


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Hey Big Gob,

Why don't you answer my questions below? Are you in a cult or something?

Anth the even bigger gob

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 00:09:49 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Window of opportunity
Message:
Do you like toe kissing?
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 21:46:13 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Window of opportunity
Message:
I posted something on Lifes (sic) Great and some of it is relevant to your post. It is as follows:

There is nothing to fear. You don't need to believe that Maharaji is a master. In fact, you have no need for a master at all. Only he has led you to believe that you need him. You don't need him and neither do you need this imaginary relationship with him. He is just a man.

I believe that some premies are freaking out that Maharaji isn't quite what they thought he was. I know I did for a while some years ago. But then a new perspective came. It doesn't matter because it was always about your own experience in life anyway. And then, if you like Maharaji, you can continue to listen to him but you don't have to. And that's the difference.

I was able to happily walk away from any Maharaji influence inside my head or from outside because he was not essential to the equation.

Think about this. I meditate as and when I feel like it. I have no strict regime and don't meditate every day and might go for weeks without doing so. Neither do I meditate on the four techniques of knowledge but rather on my own version of the third technique, usually reclined in bed which is most relaxing.

There is no pressure in my life to meditate and yet when I do, because it is what I want to do at that time, it is most relaxing. It is a physical relaxation and also a mental one. I call it ''Breath relaxation''.

A million miles away from the kind of words which abound on Lifes (sic) Great. I know what my breath relaxation does to me and for me. I need not exaggerate or prove anything to anyone about it. There is nobody to convert or argue with about it. There is no strife about such a thing. A gentle thing that I do now and then...

There is no battle. You cannot find peace through a battle. There is nobody to fight and there are no concepts to fight or overcome.

Inner conflict never did anyone any good. There is a time and place for everything. There is a time to be still and a time to work. Just as there is a time to play and a time to love. Human beings flow. We do not operate properly when we are going against the current.

Be friends with yourself and don't be hard on yourself. You cannot do more than make another step. You cannot make seven steps next - just the one. And then you can make another.

I believe that love is the greatest thing. When it's felt, it is not a concept. There are many ways that love comes and if we ever reject one of those ways, we are poorer for it for each way that love comes is beautiful.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 22:37:06 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Dare I say **Best of Forum**
Message:
Quite a nice description of your unique way of relaxing. I am tempted to forward this to any premie friends who have not taken the time for self evaluation re: M&K.

... it was always about your own experience in life anyway. And then, if you like Maharaji,
you can continue to listen to him but you don't have to.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:28:03 (EDT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: windows.net
Message:
Hi Pass,
What have you been doing lately.
I mean, what else that has nothing to do with the god issue.
Have any hobbies?
Activities you like?
WHere do you wander on the web?
WHere do you live anyway........You have passed through occasionally
for a number of years, how many folks do you live with?
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:24:22 (EDT)
From: Moley
Email: moldy_warp@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: Getting your tits out in public...
Message:
OK. So in 1977, direct agya from M banned sex before marriage for aspirants. Swiftly followed, in 1978, by agya to stop breast feeding our babies in public and to not educate our kids at home..
Interesting, or what? Especially considering Hans Ji and the other spoiled Rawat-brats subsequent unorthodox education!
Still, I suppose you'll just tell me that the Lord of the Universe has
special privileges not afforded the unrealised? Well?
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 21:21:01 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: breastfeeding?
Message:
That is amazing! I don't think any of the premie mothers with young kids I knew got the agya!
That is really something. Do you know any more details about that one?
ugh wasn't one of the kissimmee thingies in 78? Or was it Tucson? I just remember beinghot and miserable and the Hindi thing and the dance dance dance were still going strong. So it's odd he picked on those 2 issues.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 23:29:34 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: breastfeeding?
Message:
Considering the BigHead's lack of familial normality, his lack of piety, selfish values and his very own defiance of his mother's role in the Rawat family business, it's not really that surprising.

The level of his dysfunctional toxitity is repulsive.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 23:48:09 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: what's funny
Message:
Is I knew so many premies in 78 that just kept having baby after baby after baby and of course the reason for this being they were using breastfeeding as 'birth control'. :)
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:20:52 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Is your confidence dwindling
Message:
Hey, you said it:

I still think M and K are in the clear.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:27:42 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: An old chesnut.
Message:
Come on!
Give me your best shot.
I've read all the postings.
I still think M and K are in the clear.
30 minute free for all, starting now.
PT


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What are your three main criticisms of Captain Rawat?

Anth the JHB

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:35:19 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: An old chesnut.
Message:
Come on!
Give me your best shot.
I've read all the postings.
I still think M and K are in the clear.
30 minute free for all, starting now.
PT


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What are your three main criticisms of Captain Rawat?

Anth the JHB


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Come on, admit you think god tastes of snot!

JHB the Anth

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:25:29 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Passing Gas perhaps? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:10:31 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Passing Through
Subject: A question for you, first, PT...
Message:
Are you the same 'Passing Though' who passed through a couple of years ago using the same alias? Spent a few months arguing similar points as you, too. I think it would help people with long memories to know if they might be engaging in futile repetition when they opt to converse with you.

Thanks.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:58:27 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Window of opportunity still open
Message:
You've read ALL the postings? Archives too?

Check the link - http://www.geocities.com/forumarchives1/search.htm

oh, and if you think M is still 'in the clear' (you mean innocent?) after conning thousands of people into following him because he claimed to be the new messiah - well, you obviously approve of con-artists.

Now, where's your 30-minute reply to all this?
[ archives ]

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:20:17 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: To CQ
Message:
With 20/20 hindsight victims of con artists and scams always try to make themselves look less stupid by making the con seem very clever.
It never is.
We all had accesss to our brains, our experience and the questions of others.
It wasn't a con, it was something your believed and now you don't.
PT
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 13:34:28 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: To CQ
Message:
Now what to make of this?

You seem to know a lot about victims of con artists, PT, (or should I call you Cerise, or SC? - hmmmm, oh never mind - just a rumour I'd heard).

Anyway, to the point:

I spoke of Maharaji 'conning thousands of people into following him because he claimed to be the new messiah'

and you say ' ... it wasn't a con, it was something you believed and now you don't'.

Well, I certainly believed him to be the 'Lord' (as he claimed), and I certainly don't believe him now. But if I look a little closer at what you yourself have said - you say 'it wasn't a con'.

You mean you really DO still believe him to be the 'Lord'? Please do come clean about this, PT, because I don't particularly like dissing someone else's religious beliefs when they're strongly and sincerely held.

Go on, PT, make an effort - try at least to answer that one question will you?

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:18:17 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: To Passing Through
Message:
No, PT, you're wrong about the belief thing. Many of us, myself included were taught that we ''knew'' which is quite different than believing.

Captain Rawat, with a wink and a nod, through his own satsang, and that of his mahatmas, convinced me and thousands of others that because we had ''Knowledge,'' an experience of the ''Infinite,'' the realization inside that HE was Lord of the Universe, that it was quite comfortable to say, I don't ''believe,'' I KNOW!

That was the party line back when I got into the cult. As far as having access to our brains, well of course we did. It WAS a con. It was something I thought I ''knew'' rather than believed, that's how it was explained to me as an aspirant in 1975. That was the atmosphere before receiving k. And it was a con, continues to be a con, and the con-man is goomraji.

You're stuck in that swamp, in denial, and until you can truely see the light of day without your master, you will never understand our experiences as ex-premies, who now can acknowledge that we were brainwashed, programmed to serve ($$$), plus made to be slaves to this rich brat of a man??? who cares for no one but himself.

And I am angry about that. He should stop. It's a cult.

Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:31:31 (EDT)
From: sivan
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: told to believe
Message:
No, PT, you're wrong about the belief thing. Many of us, myself included were taught that we ''knew'' which is quite different than believing.

Captain Rawat, with a wink and a nod, through his own satsang, and that of his mahatmas, convinced me and thousands of others that because we had ''Knowledge,'' an experience of the ''Infinite,'' the realization inside that HE was Lord of the Universe, that it was quite comfortable to say, I don't ''believe,'' I KNOW!

That was the party line back when I got into the cult. As far as having access to our brains, well of course we did. It WAS a con. It was something I thought I ''knew'' rather than believed, that's how it was explained to me as an aspirant in 1975. That was the atmosphere before receiving k. And it was a con, continues to be a con, and the con-man is goomraji.

You're stuck in that swamp, in denial, and until you can truely see the light of day without your master, you will never understand our experiences as ex-premies, who now can acknowledge that we were brainwashed, programmed to serve ($$$), plus made to be slaves to this rich brat of a man??? who cares for no one but himself.

And I am angry about that. He should stop. It's a cult.

Cynthia


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'many of us were TAUGHT that we knew'- that's exactly right isn't it? how isit different?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:33:53 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: very dull
Message:
Hurry up and pass on through why don't you.
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 00:43:22 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: never has
Message:
Some sort of blockage or obstructin I guess. Hates us but wants to hang around. This PT has been PT'ing for about 3 years if I remember.
His new name is Ken. Hi Ken. Sorry I missed the window.
I saw it and decided to do laundry instead.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:42:39 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Bleh!..................(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:00:51 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Window of opportunity
Message:
That's a bit open ended. Care to take on any one of the 14 objections and discuss it?
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:25:03 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Of course
Message:
Ready when you are.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:28:29 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Of course
Message:
No, you pick.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:39:46 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: How about Jagdeo?
Message:
Jagdeo is a paedophile.
M is told he is a paedophile.
Therefore M supports paedophiles?
How about, M is disgusted like everyone else.
PT
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:30:01 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Excuse me....PT
Message:
So you admit Jagdeo is a pedophile. You admit rawat was told Jagdeo is a pedophile. Jagdeo was fully under rawat's control during the days when he abused children.

Therefore, rawat, as the person, and DLM/EV, as the entity which rawat controls, IS responsible for the actions of rawat's agent.

Rawat has done nothing for Jagdeo's victims. Rawat is too greedy to admit he looked the other way and sent the pervert out of the US and UK. Rawat had KNOWLEDGE of one of his agents, his Mahatma Jagdeo's criminal actions and did nothing, continues to do nothing.

It takes more than disgust for a personality cult leader, Maharaji, to make things right for the victims/survivors of Jagdeo. It takes compensation for the years of suffering and therapy bills.

You don't get this, you don't want to get it, you have buried your head in the sand because you think rawat is the lord and is perfect.

Cynthia, Disgusted with you!

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:27:11 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: How about Jagdeo?
Message:
PC,

Ah yes, the infamous Jagdeo affair. An important concern is for the victims. Another concern is about what should happen to Jagdeo now.

But I think the primary philosophical concern for premies and ex-premies who are personally removed from the crimes themselves is the question about when Mr. Rawat was first informed about the crimes and what this means about his character.

Susan told both Judy and Randy in the 1970's and both of those people reported back to her that they had informed Rawat. Abi told Mahatma Guru Charnanand.

Therefore, Rawat either knew very early on or he was kept in the dark about the situation by his closest associates. Either way, the situation looks very bad for Rawat. I suppose that premies would prefer to think that Rawat was never told until recently, since this would be the best of the alternatives for Rawat's reputation.

We know that Rawat's reputation is the primary concern for himself and his cult followers. They are willing to hide Rawat from the law in any circumstance, (but the hit and run incident is another topic).

I think the major concern for ex-premies is that Rawat should definitely have had more of a handle on the activities of his mahatmas. That fact that one of his representatives was busy molesting premie children (there are several victims) of course does not mean that Rawat supports paedophiles, but the situation does reflect very badly on him.

It seems most likely to me that Rawat was told by Randy, Judy, and Charanand. It seems that Jagdeo was allowed to continue his service, nevertheless. Certain premies have said that they were asked to keep a special vigilance on Jagdeo, so it seems most likely that many people were in fact aware of the situation. If this is the case, then Rawat can be judged as a person without common human decency.

As it stands now, I think it is the opinion of most ex-premies that Rawat has not done nearly enough about this situation. He has made no official recompense to the victims, nor has he offered any apology or explanation to his followers about this situation. All he has done, to my knowledge, is to meet with Abi's father and offer him some private words of regret. What he has done regarding Jagdeo himself is unknown to us. The very fact that none of us know what has been done about Jagdeo now is regretable. People who follow Rawat deserve to know the truth about this situation. But Rawat evidently feels that he owes nobody any explanations. At the very least, he could make some sort of conciliatory offer to the victims. And such a move should not come from some personnel from Elan Vital.

So, PT, do you have a different perspective and opinion about this objection? If so, what is it? Even if you disagree with the ex-premie viewpoint about this situation, you surely must realize that we do have a right to make the strenuous objection that we have made.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:13:59 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: on the way to Way
Message:
W: It seems most likely to me that Rawat was told by Randy, Judy, and Charanand.
PT: IT SEEMS TO YOU?
W: It seems that Jagdeo was allowed to continue his service, nevertheless.
PT: IT SEEMS?
W: Certain premies have said that they were asked to keep a special vigilance on Jagdeo, so it seems most likely that many people were in fact aware of the situation. If this is the case, then Rawat can be judged as a person without common human decency.
PT: IT SEEMS MOST LIKELY? The only fact seems to be that Jagdeo was a paedophile.
If this Forum was serious about Jagdeo it would fund legal action to get Jagdeo into court.
Instead you ignore Jagdeo in your rush to blame M.
Why not blame the parents, the teachers, the honchos?
They were closer.
PT
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:53:48 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Final word to Passing Through
Message:
You are an utter waste of time. You do nothing but dodge the real issues. If you continue to post here, please stay with the same name. I don't want to read any more of your posts.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:12:47 (EDT)
From: New-Age Redneck
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: How about Jagdeo?
Message:
How about, 'Why doesn't M bring him to justice rather than hiding him away?' That's a better question..... Any unenlightened idiot can just turn his head and pretend it didn't happen.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:09:23 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: OK - I'll give it a go
Message:
The cosmic experiences that some people have after receiving knowledge are unrelated to the grace of the master. The proof of this is that people who follow all such 'masters' claim the same type of cosmic experience, and others who follow no 'master' also claim the same type of cosmic experience. The interpretation of those cosmic experiences as 'divine' or 'true' (in some unexplained 'absolute' sense) is not based on real evidence, but is just an assumption based on what the subject has been led to believe.

For you to love or, more correctly, worship Maharaji because you have had some cosmic experiences in meditation orin his presence is intellectually dishonest on your part. And if there is no such connection between the experience and Maharaji, and especially if the experience is not one of divinity or absolute truth, then Maharaji's hunger for riches, and his insistence that we hold in in extremely high regard, looks like the con that I believe it is.

OK - how did I do?

John.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:36:46 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Not there yet JHB
Message:
My love for my wife is intellectually dishonest because I cannot make you feel it and therefore it isn't happening?
In fact, I experience a very direct connection between practicing Knowledge and how I feel.
How's that.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:47:25 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: You missed the point (deliberately?)
Message:
You ignored my central point about cosmic experiences, and the incorrect interpretation of them, so please try again.

John.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:55:21 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Don't be angry John!I'm trying
Message:
I can't be enjoying any experience, cosmic or otherwise, because I can't convince you.
How's that?
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:31:05 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: I'm not angry in the slightest:-)
Message:
PT,

You must a little hard of understanding, so I'll try to write very slowly. When you had your cosmic experience that convinced you that k was the 'truth' and that Maharaji was the 'master' you made an intellectual jump that I now argue was not justified based upon the evidence. I have now told you that many people have such cosmic experiences and come to quite different conclusions about what the experiences mean. You haven't responded to this. Telling me you love your wife, like Roy Orbison, and enjoy cosmic experiences, is nothing to do with making the logical leap that knowledge is the 'truth' and that Maharaji is the 'master', now is it?

John the trying to deal with the intellectually challenged.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:58:43 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Can In try again,John?
Message:
How about, I love Roy Orbison.
His songs mean something to me but you think he stinks.
Is that closer?
I can't be getting good feelings from that crap?
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:57:44 (EDT)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Is it cos you likes toe kissing?
Message:
You's a man who loves and RESPECTS his master, innit? 'Cept you is ashamed so you is hiding?

Is hard to understand.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:10:17 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: I agree, Mr T
Message:
I do love my master.
But hey, I love my wife, my ex-wife, my child, my mother, my family, my friends.
In fact, I have an optimistic feeling for humanity in general.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:19:50 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: So do we
Message:
and let's face it, we'd be out of business if he packed it in.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:25:59 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: David
Subject: Not all
Message:
Do you mean 'you' or do you mean 'us'?
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:39:33 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: The Royal We, maybe [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:02:11 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: David
Subject: M'Lord.............................(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:43:23 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Dishonesty still there
Message:
Despite the fact that the statment 'Drug money used to finance M' is clearly dishonest and illogical, this forum continues to promote it.
Make up your minds.
Are you iinterested in the truth or only the opinions that conform with your own?
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:08:19 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.do.uk
To: Passing Through
Subject: Stupid beyond belief, Kenneth...
Message:
(Do you mind if I call you Kenneth? - not wishing to insult folk called Kenneth, of course - it's just I am not comfortable talking to glove-puppets..)

'Dishonest and illogical'

re. Honesty: Passing on what you know from past experience, if done in good faith, is not dishonest. How can it be, Ken?

re. Illogical: Premies take drugs (gurus too, I hear). Selling drugs makes money, money gets people to festivals. pays registration and further's guru's mission. Makes sense to me.

Did you hear about those impoverished Brazilian sisters who prostitute themselves to get to festivals? Another time, maybe...

Correct us on points of fact if you know someone is lying, but leave out the 'dishonest and illogical'. Please.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:46:52 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: But stopping for Nigel
Message:
With tens of thousands of supporters it is logical to assume that prostitues, thieves and drug dealers will be among them.
And there will also be butchers, bakers and candlestick makers.
The dishonesty comes in when you choose to highlight one as if is statistically significant.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:49:38 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: Drug money supports Maharaji
Message:
If I were to make a small fortune from prostitution, on the pimping side and then donated a lot of the money to Maharaji, you could say that prostitution supports Maharaji.

You might also say that prostitution, drug money and second hand book sales support Maharaji. You might also just say that second hand book sales support Maharaji.

Nobody is claiming that drug money exclusively supports Maharaji. That would be silly. Why there's embezzlement of funds donated for propagation as well.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:05:44 (EDT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: None
To: David
Subject: Re: Drug money supports Maharaji
Message:
I completely agree, In my premie days I personally knew of my premies who used and sold drugs. It was an integral part of their counter culture (read hippie) backgrounds and was also due in part to their desire to not have to work at conventional jobs. DLM to my knowlegde never endorsed and often opposed premies who were still involved in the drug culture after having recieved knowledge. Even though I am no admirer of Captain Rawat and his bogus holy man scam I don't think it's fair to accuse him of being involved in somthing that most people know he opposed.
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:11:49 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: DeProGram Anand Ji
Subject: Depro: I agree, but one important fact...
Message:
I agree that a number of premies made money from selling drugs, and donated some of that money to maharaji, especially in the 1970's.
I know someone from Boulder,1971, who knew two large dope dealers who used to have arguments over who gave more money to m....

That should not be used to infer that maharaji endorsed what they did.

However, while he may have publicly denounced drugs and the selling of them, it is quite certain that he was also regularly using them with premies, while at the same time denouncing them, and forbidding other premies to use them.

Pretty hypocritical.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:12:21 (EDT)
From: Even hotter!
Email: None
To: David
Subject: Drag money supports Maharaji!
Message:
In West Hollywood, CA, a bake sale (including several extremely suggestive pastries) conducted by several female impersonators raised money for the current knowledge sessions.

Scandalous! Where will it end? The horror.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:07:14 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: David
Subject: Well done david!
Message:
Yes, that's right David.
You could also say that 'Single mothers support M', 'Sailors support M', even 'Millionaires support M'.
What I object to, and you should, is that this Forum takes one occupation out of thousands and highlights it.
It's the equivalent of saying 'PT is a lazy, imperfect, ignoramous because he didn't put apostrephes around 'Forum'.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:14:01 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: Drug dealing is illegal though
Message:
which is why it's been highlighted. Anyway, you're the one who keeps highlighting it. After a few months it will be old hat, just like the mistresses and the dope smoking have become.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:19:17 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: David
Subject: We know it's bullshit but
Message:
what about others?
Uninformed and agressive people might assume that this 'Forum' is believable.
And attack M because of it.
Just because a lie gets old doesn't make it any more honest.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:14:23 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Dishonesty still there
Message:
its too bad that your level of denial is so strong that you can't handle the truth. people who did the drug deals and witnessed the money have no reason to lie about it except for the fact that it could have gotten them prison time or shot. in view of that, their willingly making the reality known took a hell of a lot of courage than you possess to look at it and integrate what that means. Considering the risk, the easy way out would be for them to lie and deny it. But they don't.

You, on the other hand, have all the reason in the world to want to believe a lie, because of what you stand to lose if you believe the truth.

youre quite right. dishonesty IS still in force. but its not with us. we've taken the rough step of busting it and seeing what wsent on for wwhat it was. probably still is.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:21:05 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Delivery for janet
Message:
No Janet.
I'm not denying that sluts, drug users, bankrupts and adulterers support M but sluts, drug users, bankrupts and adulterers support the Pope.
So what!
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:15:58 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: So what?
Message:
It's a newsworthy item. And we're in the news business here.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:22:10 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: David
Subject: Old new is no news.
Message:
It is news but of the most puerile sort.
A blend of sex, power and money puts you firmly in the tabloid class.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:38:42 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: I never claimed otherwise
Message:
but tabloids write the truth, too. Certainly, in the UK, they are not allowed to print lies and if they do they can get hefty libel suits and have to pay out huge sums.

Just because it's spicy, doesn't mean it's not true. So which part do you think isn't true?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:05:07 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: David
Subject: The sin of omission
Message:
Everything is true!
Everything is disputable.
Manipulation is achieved by how you proportion the true and the disputable.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:47:06 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: You do that every time, Ken.
Message:
ie. switch to haiku-aphorism mode.

Why not answer the question?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:43:08 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: You said it in spades
Message:
Everything is true!
Everything is disputable.
Manipulation is achieved by how you proportion the true and the disputable.
PT


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The E.V mindset and your Master's voice.

How about the TRUTH is achieved by applying native wit and understanding to revelations kept carefully hidden for a quarter of a century + . Revelations which neither you nor any other of your ilk are prepared to address . And why not ?...because you don't give a fuck about it all do you ?

I have no beef with 'grunt' premies who have no internet access & there are lots as I'm sure you're well aware , but people like you who know all the issues and still maintain that Rawat is ...???

You don't say what....God maybe ? FUCK OFFF

Truth Will Out motherfucker : who knows how , who knows when ,but when it does & however distorted it may have become in the process ,people like you will have the glorious option of going down with the Captain .

I look forward to the day.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 23:52:21 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: it's already happening
Message:
Which is exactly why we have Ken passing through.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:17:39 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: Dishonesty still there
Message:
its too bad that your level of denial is so strong that you can't handle the truth. people who did the drug deals and witnessed the money have no reason to lie about it except for the fact that it could have gotten them prison time or shot. in view of that, their willingness making the reality known took a hell of a lot more courage than you possess to look at it and integrate what that means. Considering the risk, the easy way out would be for them to lie and deny it. But they don't.

You, on the other hand, have all the reason in the world to want to believe a lie, because of what you stand to lose if you believe the truth.

youre quite right. dishonesty IS still in force. but its not with us. we've taken the rough step of busting it and seeing what went on for wwhat it was. probably still is.


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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:48:27 (EDT)
From: Mr. Mind
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Dishonesty still there
Message:
then get fat boy to come out of hiding and answer some questions..that would get it all cleared up
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:03:42 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Mr. Mind
Subject: No! You first!
Message:
Questions please!
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:16:27 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Please, please, me!
Message:
Come on Mr Mind.
What don't you know?
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:53:49 (EDT)
From: Tim G
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Please, please, me!
Message:
How do you Address the unpleasant personality and utter lack of compassion that Mr Rawat exhibits in his personal life, no signs of caring or sharing . No responsibility for his own mistakes and a wall of silence instead of open communication with both his followers and questioners. A very poor teacher in my opinion. The best teaching is by example, remember
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:36:06 (EDT)
From: Mr. Mind
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I want this Knowledge!/ Free Will?
Message:
Many of the techniques in this link were/are used to bring us to the point of thinking we wanted K of our own free will.
[ manipulation ]
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:21:02 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Mr. Mind
Subject: Re: Great link guys
Message:
zzz
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Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 16:06:44 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: All
Subject: What is KNOWLEDGE? Really, what is it!
Message:
This Knowledge thing is being so fiercely defended by Maha and his EV circus. Premies defend Knowledge even when it is not being contested.

So, what is KNOWLEDGE?

What happens when a person accepts a Knowledge session?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:19:48 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Deborah
Subject: belief + serotonin = devotion
Message:
Or in 100 words:

'Knowledge' refers to (a) 'an experience' or (b) 'set of devotional procedures'. As 'experience' Knowledge is euphoria, well-being, rush of serotonin - no more/less profound than anyone else's. What a premie experiences during (b), if euphoric, is considered authentic K; but if less than euphoric, merely mind.

Euphoria happens in deep relaxation (meditation), group highs (events) and in an infantile bonding with authority love figure. Partial shut-down of perceptual centres in meditation provides mild hallucigenic quality, but Knowledge is neither infinite nor cosmic. Just psycho-physiological cause and biochemical effect. The 'K'-word is, in fact, redundant - as should the Master be.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:41:27 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: belief + serotonin = devotion
Message:
Thanks Nige. I'm just really curious how everyone perceives KNOWLEDGE. Maha rarely says 'boo' about a Most-Special Gift. WEIRD.

How could something so important to humanity be spoken of so little?

Do the premies even know what KNOWLEDGE is?

What do they say to people when people ask, 'So what is Knowledge'?

Do they just tell them to go to a program and let the BigHead tell them? But the BigHead doesn't talk about Knowledge, his presence just gives the crowd an adrenal rush. So much investment on the part of the premies to support his warped life endeavor.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:34:15 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: That's an easy question.
Message:
This Knowledge thing is being so fiercely defended by Maha and his EV circus. Premies defend Knowledge even when it is not being contested.

So, what is KNOWLEDGE?

What happens when a person accepts a Knowledge session?


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Hi,

Knowledge, or course, is an experience. It is not a belief. It is what you see and feel, when you press your eyeballs. It is what you hear when you stick your thumbs in your ear. It is what you taste when you stick your tongue to the back of your throat. It is what you feel when you follow your breath, going, 'So Hung' at the same time.

I think even the premies agree with that.

The trouble is, premies think the patterns they see when they press their eyes, and the sound they hear when they stick their thumbs in their ears, and what they taste at the back of their throat, and what they feel when they follow their breath, is a direct experience of the life force, commonly known as 'God'.

This is of course, utter bullshit. God is not patterns of 'light' or the rumbling of blood in your ears, or the mucoid like taste in your mouth.

Although premies say it's not about belief, it is.

You have to belief that your experience is 'divine'. Maharaji's cult is still called, 'Divine Light Mission' in lots of places.

You also have to belief that Maharaji is the Perfect Master, the embodiment of 'Knowledge' in a human body, ie 'God on Earth'.

Once you remove the two pillars of the premie religion, 'Knowledge is God within,' and 'Maharaji is the Perfect Master', you're left with a tatty, Mickey Mouse style, hindu cult, and a bloke suffering delusions of grandeur the like you've never seen before.

It's a crock of shit.

Anth the wise.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:48:43 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: That's an easy question.
Message:
Thanks for the feedback Anth. The level of committment is atrocious, isn't it? For Maha to transfer the inner contenment and/or pseudo psychodelic experiences to Maha is criminal.

I had huge experiences of serendipidy. A lot of faith produced a lot of confirmation, the confirmation strengthened the faith and on and on it went.

I appreciate your $.02

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 15:36:02 (EDT)
From: Richard II
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: That's an easy question.
Message:
Okay Anth the wise, you have passed the definitive judgement on what God is not, that is it is not an inner kaleidescope, the pulsing of blood through your veins, snot, and a replicated sound of your breath rising and falling. Now, in order to justify the lofty position you have taken as someone who knows something about the subject, I think it incumbent upon you to present your credentials. You've informed us what God IS NOT, so the credentials we will need from you are nothing less than now being able to tell us what God in fact IS. Don't you think that's fair?

So now please speak from your experiences of knowing God, oh great one, and share your valuable insights with us who are ignorant. Please tell us how we can know God for ourselves. Could you also please debunk all those references to these so-called aspects of the Divine that show up through time in so many scriptures, so we can once and for all get on with the real business of knowing the ultimate.

I sit at your feet awaiting your wisdom, oh frilly frock-ed one.

Richard

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:50:51 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Richard II
Subject: May I respond???
Message:
I wrote this to Passing Through above, and he/she has failed to respond. You sound like an intelligent person, so maybe you could have a go. I'm not claiming to know what God is, just making a point about the cosmic experiences that I, and others, have had.

The cosmic experiences that some people have after receiving knowledge are unrelated to the grace of the master. The proof of this is that people who follow all such 'masters' claim the same type of cosmic experience, and others who follow no 'master' also claim the same type of cosmic experience. The interpretation of those cosmic experiences as 'divine' or 'true' (in some unexplained 'absolute' sense) is not based on real evidence, but is just an assumption based on what the subject has been led to believe.

For you to love or, more correctly, worship Maharaji because you have had some cosmic experiences in meditation, or in his presence, is intellectually dishonest on your part. And if there is no such connection between the experience and Maharaji, and especially if the experience is not one of divinity or absolute truth, then Maharaji's hunger for riches, and his insistence that we hold him in extremely high regard, looks like the con that I believe it is.

John.

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Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 21:24:12 (EDT)
From: Richard II
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: May I respond?
Message:
John:

>>For you to love or, more correctly, worship Maharaji because you have had some cosmic experiences in meditation, or in his presence, is intellectually dishonest on your part.

To answer the first misconception you have of me, I don’t love Maharaji because I’ve had cosmic experiences. I love him because he is dear to me. I don’t know how this happened or when but there it is. As for worship, I don’t call it worship. I venerate him because he has proven himself to me worthy of that level of respect. I look to him to guide me on the path of Knowledge because he has never let me down. I think about him when I need to remind myself of what Knowledge is all about because he is an example of someone who is doing what I have chosen to do in my life. That is, to know myself.

>>And if there is no such connection between the experience and Maharaji, and especially if the experience is not one of divinity or absolute truth, then Maharaji's hunger for riches, and his insistence that we hold him in extremely high regard, looks like the con that I believe it is.

I have definitely discovered divinity and absolute truth through the practice of Knowledge. It is through Maharaji that I was revealed Knowledge, and through his guidance I have been able to practice it within the constraints of my everyday life. So there is clearly a connection between Maharaji and Knowledge for me, and there is clearly a connection between Knowledge and truth. As for him insisting on anything, if he has given you nothing you value then don’t bother holding him in any regard.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:51:46 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Richard II
Subject: Re: That's an hard question.
Message:
Okay Anth the wise, you have passed the definitive judgement on what God is not, that is it is not an inner kaleidescope, the pulsing of blood through your veins, snot, and a replicated sound of your breath rising and falling. Now, in order to justify the lofty position you have taken as someone who knows something about the subject, I think it incumbent upon you to present your credentials. You've informed us what God IS NOT, so the credentials we will need from you are nothing less than now being able to tell us what God in fact IS. Don't you think that's fair?

So now please speak from your experiences of knowing God, oh great one, and share your valuable insights with us who are ignorant. Please tell us how we can know God for ourselves. Could you also please debunk all those references to these so-called aspects of the Divine that show up through time in so many scriptures, so we can once and for all get on with the real business of knowing the ultimate.

I sit at your feet awaiting your wisdom, oh frilly frock-ed one.

Richard


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Hi Richard,

Whether you think it's 'fair' or not, as regards 'What is God?' I haven't a fucking clue.

Anth the ignorant.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 15:58:02 (EDT)
From: Richard II
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: That's an hard question.
Message:
Okay Anth the wise, you have passed the definitive judgement on what God is not, that is it is not an inner kaleidescope, the pulsing of blood through your veins, snot, and a replicated sound of your breath rising and falling. Now, in order to justify the lofty position you have taken as someone who knows something about the subject, I think it incumbent upon you to present your credentials. You've informed us what God IS NOT, so the credentials we will need from you are nothing less than now being able to tell us what God in fact IS. Don't you think that's fair?

So now please speak from your experiences of knowing God, oh great one, and share your valuable insights with us who are ignorant. Please tell us how we can know God for ourselves. Could you also please debunk all those references to these so-called aspects of the Divine that show up through time in so many scriptures, so we can once and for all get on with the real business of knowing the ultimate.

I sit at your feet awaiting your wisdom, oh frilly frock-ed one.

Richard


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Hi Richard,

Whether you think it's 'fair' or not, as regards 'What is God?' I haven't a fucking clue.

Anth the ignorant.


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Right. So if there are reported answers found in a certain pursuit like practicing Knowledge -- and in this case reported for a long, long time -- then don't you think someone as ignorant on the subject as you have recognized yourself to be should temper your opinions somewhat. I mean in the interests of personal honesty and integrity.

A tool is only as useful as the one who’s hand it guides. To claim Knowledge doesn’t work because it didn’t work for you is as idiotic as claiming a guitar is crappy because you couldn’t make it sound like Segovia or Santana. Actually, when you step back and look at it, there is a huge assumption in that statement that you are just as talented as these virtuosos and therefore worthy of comment. I know it’s really hard for you to entertain the thought but perhaps you missed something about Knowledge. Perhaps your ignorance about God extends to the area of these techniques and the relationship a Master might have to them. Because according to many accounts of people who have clearly discovered a depth of understanding that was not common-place, the techniques -- the inner landscape – was definitely their conduit to God.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 19:08:21 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Richard II
Subject: You misunderstand me Richard.
Message:
You said,

'Right. So if there are reported answers found in a certain pursuit like practicing Knowledge -- and in this case reported for a long, long time -- then don't you think someone as ignorant on the subject as you have recognized yourself to be should temper your opinions somewhat. I mean in the interests of personal honesty and integrity.'

Richard, I know fuck-all about God, but I know a lot about 'practicing Knowledge', as I did it for 25 years. (How long you been poking yourself in the eyes Rich?)

I'm none the wiser about the Creator, but I'm a hell of a lot wiser about Captain Rawat and his scam.

And if you'e questioning my honesty and integrity Rich' you should tell where I'm being dishonest or whatever.

Anth been there, poked them.

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Date: Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 20:36:34 (EDT)
From: Richard II
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: You misunderstand me Richard.
Message:
>>Richard, I know fuck-all about God, but I know a lot about 'practicing Knowledge', as I did it for 25 years. (How long you been poking yourself in the eyes Rich?)

About 25 years.

>>I'm none the wiser about the Creator, but I'm a hell of a lot wiser about Captain Rawat and his scam.

Well, for me I have to say I am quite a bit the wiser about the Creator as a result of my 25 years of practicing Knowledge and listening to “Captain Rawat”, as you call him. So how do you explain that? Just me bullshitting myself? Back to my guitar analogy. So you picked up the guitar and couldn’t squeeze any music out of it so you blamed it on the guitar and the guitar teacher. “Hell if he can’t make me sound good with this thing he must be full of crap and so is this thing he calls an instrument ”. And in a fit of what some might view as arrogance you write off anyone who claims to be able to make music as being less discerning than you. Now, what about all those terribly wise souls throughout history who allude to a method akin to Knowledge to be able to know the Creator? Simple. You just write them off too. Hey Anth, that sounds a lot like denial to me.

>>And if you'e questioning my honesty and integrity Rich' you should tell where I'm being dishonest or whatever.

An honest man, a man with integrity, if he recognized he is ignorant about something doesn’t claim to know something about it, particularly in such bombastic terms as you did. Do you see what I mean by dishonest? To imply the techniques are banal and do not lead to a deeper knowledge of the Creator is to imply you know something about the nature of that experience, and you have clearly stated you do not. So my question to you is why not just leave those who are discovering the Creator to it? The real bugaboo you guys will never get past is no matter what grounds you choose to judge Maharaji, there are people who’s lives have been and continue to be enriched by practicing Knowledge. How can I prove that? Just my opinion of course. But if you have the ears you can sometimes hear one of them make undeniably sweet music that resonates in a place that is undeniably real.

>>Anth been there, poked them.

Been there too, but actually took a look around.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 26, 2001 at 07:08:56 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Richard II
Subject: You're in a muddle Richard.
Message:
Richard, you said,

'Now, what about all those terribly wise souls throughout history who allude to a method akin to Knowledge to be able to know the Creator? '

What great souls are these Richard? You mean Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed,Guru Nanak, etc I suppose. None of them ever mentioned 'Knowledge'. Where did you get this shite from? It's not even the current cult party line. According the the new regime, you've missed the point of it all. 'It's not a religion. He never said he was like Jesus. He's just a simple teacher, etc etc etc.'

But you obviously believe in the dynasty of Perfect Masters. Can you find any reference to this succession, continuity etc, outside your tiny little cult? Can you quote me a single reference to it, outside cult publications?

Really, where do you get all this stuff from? (Maybe you realised it from within? Or maybe someone told it you so many times you started to believe it.)

You say you poke yourself in the eye, and, unlike myself, you actually take a look around. Care to tell me what you see Rich?

'To imply the techniques are banal and do not lead to a deeper knowledge of the Creator is to imply you know something about the nature of that experience, and you have clearly stated you do not. So my question to you is why not just leave those who are discovering the Creator to it?'

Richard. Of course I know something about the experience of practising knowledge. I did it for 25 years. But snot is not infinite. It is not that which has no beginning and no end. It is not that from which the universe came. It is not love. It is snot. No matter how hard you believe Richard, doesn't make it true.

Do the nectar technique now Rich, and tell me what you taste. I'm only getting snot.

You're in a cult mate. Just like the Moonies and Hare Krishnas.

Anth

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Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 21:38:37 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: What is it? Practice it and find out.
Message:
There is no mystery. As Dave said last week it can be a relaxing and enjoyable experience. I couldn't care less whether you do or you dont. But for something you espouse to have no interest in ,it's fascinating to see you dedicate so much of your time to researching every aspect of it.
Reaction is the easiest of earnest activities. What do you do that is creative , renewing and offering a positive pathway for the future?
Or do you just bitch?
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:37:17 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Positive pathway for the future.
Message:
Hey Cat,

Do you think spending your life in a religious cult, supporting a fucked-up, failed, master in a life of decadent luxury is paving a pathway for the future, all I can say is your future doesn't look too bright from here.

Anthstrodamus

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:42:49 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Bristow
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: And why are you wearing that dress?
Message:
That is why you are hidden away down in Cornwall living the life of a pirate and I'm happily making my way in the new world.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:55:49 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Catweasel Bristow
Subject: Well Cat.
Message:
That is why you are hidden away down in Cornwall living the life of a pirate and I'm happily making my way in the new world.


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A couple of things Cat.

The 'New World' ain't so new. People have been living down there for about 30,000 years. The island I live on has only been inhabited for about a third of that. So really, I'm in the 'New World' and you're in the old one.

As regards the dress. I'm getting in touch with the female side of my nature. Want me to send some pics?

Anth the Post-Glacial-Drag-Queen.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:23:20 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Catweasel Bristow
Subject: Re: And why are you wearing that dress?
Message:
your continent was populated by felons with life sentences who were banished from england.
at least anth wasn't.
and we americans left because we wanted to have a relationship with god without anyone telling us how we could and couldnt.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 16:02:44 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: Hi Janet
Message:
What say you about KNOWLEDGE?
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:06:20 (EDT)
From: Catweasel singing you
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: May the Schwartz be with you..
Message:
Go back five generations here and you have free settlers. Poor Paddies from Limerick and dour Scottish squatters claiming huge tracts of land. The 1850's and races of every kind descended on the Goldfields to make their fortune. Even Yanks!
Frankly being the international world traveller that I am , I can say with no false modesty that we live in a very free society. A tolerant society. Reconcilliation with the native inhabitants is real. Look at the half a million people that walked over Sydney Harbour Bridge in a symbolic display of solidarity.
Our current nasty mean minded bunch of lily livered fascists in Goverment are about to be turfed out. What can you expect from a Goverment lead by a short arsed Duck like-man named Howard with two key Cabinent members called Abbott and Costello??

Simply Janet your grand illusion was borne of the same flight to freedom as ours. The poor, the disaffected and the persecuted bolting from the vice-like grip of the most class bound society on earth-the fucking Poms.It is reflected in everything coming out of that God forsaken pit of exploitation -including the smooth and unfortunate Anth
Our continent was populated by a gentle peace loving people.Only now has the whiteman started to hear the land. Kan Guru's? Take me to your living heart.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:00:21 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Catweasel singing you
Subject: Do me a favour Cat.
Message:
Is being an Aborigine in Queensland still a crime punishable by death?

Anth the Smooth, Unfortunate, Irish Pom.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 19:24:46 (EDT)
From: CW
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The verbose
Message:
No
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Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 22:24:22 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Listen toe sucker
Message:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT! You enjoy it? Let it be it. We got tired of it. We left. We WANT to TALK BAD about it. Is good for us. We like it. We find enjoyment telling the truth, get it?

You sound like your pompous ass MARIACHI! GO SERENADE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Let us alone. SCRAM!

WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE, premie, little, small, needy, yuck...toe sucker!?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:25:51 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Lowdown on the Cat.
Message:
Hi Silvia,

Maybe I can give you a bit of insight as to why the Cat posts here. As you may expect, it's related to his personality.

He's the kind of person (like myself) who loves an audience, and most of all, loves the sound of his own voice. In the old days, when he 'gave satsang' it was impossible to shut him up.

If you're ever on your own with him in a room, he'll nail you to the wall with his babble. Leave the room to get away from him, and one of two things will happen. Either he'll follow you out, continuing his babble, or he'll continue talking to the wall for a few moments, until he realises there's nobody else in the room.

He's been extremely frustrated since the Captain told everybody to stop talking about the 'experience of inner snot'. This forum is his only outlet.

He's a heavy-duty-fanatic.

But he's also a generous soul, so don't be too hard on him.

Anth the RSPCA Inspector.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 02:38:34 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Anth is cat JS? NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 14:30:12 (EDT)
From: Jeth
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: How should I know Jeth?
Message:
And who cares anyway.

He hasn't got the balls to use his real name he's just another confused cult clone.

Anth the confused gnome.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 18:57:05 (EDT)
From: Anth I mean Jeth
Email: None
To: Jeth
Subject: To Anth
Message:
Hi Jeth eeeer I mean Anth

Yes your right. I don't give ahoot what cw's name is. CW has been invaluable to the lurkers here. Particularlythe aspirants who are checking out m and ev.

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:47:09 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Cat = David Whitla
Message:
It appears that one David Whitla has been using the handle Catweasle or Cat for short (and, despite Whitla's denials, diverse other handles). I'm afraid it is pointless posting a list of all the nom-de-guerres used by Whitla, as it seems economy with the truth is one of his trademarks, and outright deceit another. Why give him further opportunity to muddy the waters?

Perhaps in real life Mr Whitla is not the threatening thug he has painted himself to be with his postings here, on Forum V, and on Lifes (sic) Great.

One cannot be too sure however, as he did misuse Lifes Great to post a threat of violence against Jim Heller. I understand the police were informed of that threat.

You may be amused to learn that Catweasle was outed (on Anything Goes) by people acting for EV, as his antics in defense of his Master were embarrassing even to the other lowlife deludes that remain trapped in the shell of the cult.

He has since posted here under his own name, owning the handle Catweasle (Cat) for short.

JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:39:18 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: Cat = David Whitla
Message:
Thanks John. It's just Anth's post above describes someone from the Uk who I think now lives in OZ.
Jethro
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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 17:43:44 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: or maybe Cat = JS
Message:
Maybe David Whitla is not Cat, but some other delude is Cat.

David Whitla was posting as MK and Marolyn Kintyre. Very nasty edge to the posts, like an early Catweasle. I can understand people getting confused, and 'Aussie Mole' outing for EV on Anything Goes.

Interestingly enough, 'MK' is actually the initials of Mili (of fradulent Usenet petition fame). Wheels within wheels, perhaps.

Then again, who cares? as Cat (who he? just another delude!) as recently discovered.

JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 20:56:08 (EDT)
From: SF / Selene
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The Lowdown Cat.
Message:
Since beginning posting on AG I managed to avoid the Catweeeezler for at least a year. It may have been more. Or less. I consider it a good sign that I am not sure. Then, I was able to converse with him because he liked that I was mad at Jim on at least 3 occasions.
Then it dawned on me that the Cat had been attacking me and others with his other aliases. several this year.
He outs himself he can't resist bragging and strutting about, you got that right.
So, no I do not think he is a generous soul.
In fact I think he is creepy he profiles reads studies and targets weaknesses.
The word stalking isn't exactly right but it's the second one that comes to mind after profiling.
In particular with his latest identities.
Anyone who wants to should be hard on him. (I feel a bad pun cumming on but never mind)
That attack on Silvia's English is ugly. English is her second language.

It feels good to say this. Jim if you are reading I apologize for any times I sided with the weasel in an argument with you.
Of course this will bring on a cat spray attack AGAIN. oh well ezekial rant on I will not answer.
BECAUSE I don't have to b) and because:
This post is not for you it's a warning to others.
CAT=cerise=ezkial=SC and all her derivitve little names=MK=Marolyn and perhaps Rob?

btw Cat a common sentiment in our English Dept is that editors and proofers are hung up on grammar the way you are, while the best creative writers care about the basics and more about the idea, the flow of the story.

Cheers Silly Cat.

Selene the mange inspector

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:31:25 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: SF / Selene
Subject: Re: The Lowdown Cat.
Message:
Look Selene; I use CW or Catweasel, occaisonaly flipping to Victoria Bitters. I am none of the other posters you have mentioned. It doesn't matter to me whether you believe me or not, it is true. Just remember read my post and you'll always see a twinkle in my eye!
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:45:16 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To:

Subject: What do you suck?
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:24:56 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Mr D
Subject: Or do they?
Message:
I dunno.



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