Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Aug 27, 2001 To: Sep 01, 2001 Page: 4 of: 5


Peg (the hopeless complainer) -:- wingo pingo -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:32:05 (EDT)
__ Wingo Pingo -:- Re: wingo pingo -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:45:00 (EDT)
__ __ Peg (the new and naif) -:- Duh! duh! duh! -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:41:19 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Now that IS funny! -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:30:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ Wingo Pingo -:- True and I forgot to mention -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:55:15 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: wingo pingo -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 19:55:48 (EDT)
__ btdt -:- Re: wingo pingo -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:52:40 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Boy, that was really confrontational! -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:44:54 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Hey, that didn't work -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:55:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ janet -:- a small point: it's a 'caret' -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:00:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- See, I screwed up again! -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:58:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- You tell 'em, Peg and btdt -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:22:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ btdt -:- Re: You tell 'em, Peg and btdt -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:50:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Are you serious? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:26:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Are you serious? No I'm an idiot -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:08:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Eureka! Thanks, Jim - duh. -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:09:51 (EDT)

Rick -:- Cyberstalking Court Case (OT) -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:47:33 (EDT)
__ Loco -:- I don't think this is ot -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 04:03:22 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- What CAC call stalking is very different -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 07:10:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- However... -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:28:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- Re: CAC gave stalkers the means -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 15:27:13 (EDT)

Jim -:- News flash -- Guru says 'Have a nice day!' -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:17:25 (EDT)
__ Lamaze -:- Guru says: in and out -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:50:22 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- The 'gift' of life -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:10:20 (EDT)
__ Carl -:- Cripes, where's the substance??? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:59:23 (EDT)

Jim -:- I give up (OT) -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:26:44 (EDT)
__ Selene -:- lots of money in Sedona (OT) -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:44:56 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- You're such a skeptical scorpio ;) -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:34:48 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- remember linking to geocities isnt allowed -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:15:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- geocities does not allow hotlinks -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:27:17 (EDT)
__ __ Carl -:- Where be the link? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:19:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Open it in a new window, Carl -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:16:10 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Can't get beyond the blue :)C -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 19:15:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- See explanation to Carl above -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:30:14 (EDT)

Joe Whalen -:- To Elan Vital - Good Will Gestures -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:30:03 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Yeah, and while you're at it -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:00:49 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- You guys are pissin' in the wind... -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:49:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- something I love about this forum -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 16:02:25 (EDT)
__ __ Joy -:- Why he will never retract that claim -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:24:00 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Re: To Elan Vital - Good Will Gestures -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:47:24 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- More whirled peas -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:12:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ Silvia Sommer -:- Me too -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:14:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- will read email. Thanks [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:11:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ janet schwartz -:- I STAND WITH THESE. I SECOND THIS. [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:25:48 (EDT)

Joseph A. Whalen -:- To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:46:03 (EDT)
__ Gail MacDougall -:- Re: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:44:01 (EDT)
__ SC -:- So your posts were all made up were they? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:37:17 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- you? in'the real world'?!???? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 15:43:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ SC -:- Wrong, In my world my opinion is everything -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:36:46 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- TO SC...FUCK OFF... -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 14:11:58 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Some were, some weren't -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:35:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ SC -:- Trouble is Joe... -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:47:39 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Excuse Me?? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:33:29 (EDT)
__ Mercedes -:- Re: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:32:38 (EDT)
__ VC -:- Re: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:56:41 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Everyone, read- Good post! NT -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:28:05 (EDT)
__ Carl -:- Bravo. A call for respecting free speech. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:50:47 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- I imagine the EV monitors have to breathe heavy -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:14:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Actually two monitors have quit.. -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:23:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ SC -:- You mean -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:08:26 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- So , you're an Englidh -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:23:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- Re: So , you're an English operative . -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:34:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- No. [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:30:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ VC -:- Delusional :( -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 23:09:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- Re:stalkers -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 16:01:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- SC you are a 1st class coward -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 14:23:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- VC/SC...all the same to me n/t -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 14:25:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- YOU Delusional :( V -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:39:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Steve -:- Re: Delusional :( -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:23:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- You have no credibility, do you? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 23:23:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- You're a saint, Jim -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:15:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- amusing to our minds -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:43:59 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- Beautifully written Joe -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:47:29 (EDT)
__ witheld -:- **Best of Forum, Joe Whalen*** [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:03:37 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- New section of the Advait mat book now online! -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:45:43 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- You are THE man ;) NT -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:30:57 (EDT)
__ don puerco -:- Re: New section of the Advait mat book now online! -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:10:06 (EDT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- In case you're wondering what's next -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:32:38 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- update his own understanding first... -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:04:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- But Rawat Jr may have understood his pop -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:10:40 (EDT)
__ __ RichMandrake -:- Jean-Michael..thanks..Could You -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:15:11 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- Terrific work. Thanks J-M [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:49:27 (EDT)

CAC has 'merged' -:- check it out.... -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:06:41 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- What exactly is going on? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:18:22 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- It's obviously bullshit -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:48:46 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- CAC's REAL final message -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:02:25 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- Re: CAC's REAL final message -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:29:47 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Re: check it out.... -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:57:01 (EDT)
__ Rick -:- Goddamn! -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:16:10 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- fuck the net Jihad -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:56:16 (EDT)
__ __ What are you guys -:- talking about?? Please Explain (nt) -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:33:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Cak. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:36:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ WELL CAC is still -:- Up in So California -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:44:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ hiding -:- did you remove cache -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:27:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Sorry..youre right -:- So Cal now has MERGE Message Which.. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:52:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Julian -:- Re: So Cal now has MERGE Message Which.. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:30:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- CAC's final message of fear -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:15:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- oh darn. showtime. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:25:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- I love it when you talk dirty, Janet -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:19:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Ofology ? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:16:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Ofology? Offalogy? Ufology? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:42:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- good god-not 'oaf-ology', pat...? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 16:25:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) the fat fag -:- Definitely not 'oaf-ology', Janet -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 21:15:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Carlos -:- PatC, I've known Janet since '74, and I -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 04:22:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- gee thanks carlos -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 17:20:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Carlos -:- Janet, it sounds from your post like I hurt -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:37:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Don't get me wrong, Carlos. I love Janet -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:30:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Carlos -:- No I haven't told CT, PatC. NT [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:41:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Hi, Carlos, I can't discuss this with Cos on LG -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 21:34:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Carlos -:- PatC, I forwarded your missive to Cos at -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 04:36:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Thanks Carlos. Much appreciated [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 19:17:04 (EDT)

open letter to Marolyn(Mom) -:- formerly known as Durga Ji -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:13:26 (EDT)
__ NA -:- FUCK YOU -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:18:13 (EDT)
__ __ avaliable -:- Re: FUCK YOU TOO -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:02:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ MY, THIS IS LOFTY -:- LOOK-IT'S MAD PREMIES! -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:35:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ partialy avalable -:- Re: LOOK-IT'S MAD PREMIES! -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 04:05:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: LOOK-IT'S MAD PREMIES! -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:01:38 (EDT)
__ __ Anger, desire, attachments -:- will never bring you knowledge of the soul -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:56:41 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Who are you? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:16:23 (EDT)
__ __ Dear Fred -:- You must be confused -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:55:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- You don't get it do you? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:15:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Dear Fred -:- Whatever -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:56:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Hey Dear Fred. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:04:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Dear Fred -:- Thanks for nothing, Bozo. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:28:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Hey, dear Fred. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:40:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ And if that doesn't work -:- I'll get a picture of you -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:21:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Loco -:- Re: I'll get a picture of you -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:06:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Ha ha Loco, you fell into my trap. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:51:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Loco -:- why you doing this to me? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:38:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Sorry. I promise to be good. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:50:11 (EDT)

Jethro -:- To: JIm, Sam Bender and Lee -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 03:47:07 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- Re: To: JIm, Sam Bender and Lee -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:00:24 (EDT)
__ __ Tomothy Parker -:- What 'fuck you' tape? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:11:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ Janet -:- the mj 'fuck you' tape? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:07:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Re: the mj 'fuck you' tape? -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:05:33 (EDT)

Mr Bang -:- Psychology 1 -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 03:13:02 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: Psychology 1 -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:14:42 (EDT)
__ hamzen -:- Looked in the mirroe recently (nt) -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:34:44 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Mr Bang. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:03:31 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- The lion and the baboon. -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:52:31 (EDT)
__ loren -:- it was suppose to be there? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 04:20:38 (EDT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Re: it was suppose to be there? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:11:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ janet -:- oh i must demurr -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:34:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Bang -:- Re: oh i must demurr -:- Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:10:17 (EDT)
__ __ Gracie -:- Blocking the fecal flow? -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:08:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ Bang -:- Sometimes I despair -:- Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:43:49 (EDT)


Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:32:05 (EDT)
From: Peg (the hopeless complainer)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: wingo pingo
Message:
posted this on Lifesgreat;
How right SC. Only the people who are the premies today are the ones who have been sincere and were the fertile ground where the seed was planted. The ex-premies never had it in them in the first place. They just were looking for something else besides truth.

What were they looking for? To get high up on an organisation, to have dominance over their peers in the ashram? They never had the real sincerity for the truth and now they just whinge. Hopeless complainers all.
I was hurt by this and also shocked at his viciousness and arrogance.
My first impulse was to try and reply but remembered all the battle threads i'd read before and thought it would be pointless and frustrating.
I can't believe he said that.
Just having a whinge.
Peg

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:45:00 (EDT)
From: Wingo Pingo
Email: None
To: Peg (the hopeless complainer)
Subject: Re: wingo pingo
Message:
Pat had the right idea about my post. Satire. Look at the post I was responding to (by SC) and you'll see why I wrote it.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:41:19 (EDT)
From: Peg (the new and naif)
Email: None
To: Wingo Pingo
Subject: Duh! duh! duh!
Message:
You have all been very kind.
thanks Jim for the HTML lesson
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:30:08 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Wingo Pingo
Subject: Now that IS funny!
Message:
What's so weird is that premies', er, arguments, are so out there that you can't safely satirize them without mixing someone up. Look at all the Pauline Premie posts that have been mistaken for the real thing. But, then, look at all the posts by people like 'Danny' which people could have sworn were jokes.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:55:15 (EDT)
From: Wingo Pingo
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: True and I forgot to mention
Message:
It is hard to see whether the premies are actually joking or not. When they're deadly serious they can be at their most unintentionally satirical.

That aside, Peg made some very good points in her response to my original post. Those comments should be directed to SC who got me going.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 19:55:48 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Peg (the hopeless complainer)
Subject: Re: wingo pingo
Message:
hey peg--
i had it in me. i found truth. i got what i came for. when the ship took a turn away from what i came for, i jumped ship. sure as hell couldnt turn the steering.
they wanna go into the whirlpool, hey
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bye bye, too bad, so sad.

its not like they can take it away from me once i got it.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:52:40 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Peg (the hopeless complainer)
Subject: Re: wingo pingo
Message:
This simply is not true. It is arrogance and ignorance to say such a thing. It is also easier to justify this person's own position and bolster his ego. He should logically look at the facts and talk to individual people. It is very easy to make such grandiose statements without talking to those he is generalizing about.

We did not do the things listed on EPO. All persons involved have asked, make that pleaded, for explanations or to counter with substantiated evidence. No one wanted to give up the biggest thing in their life, the thing that meant the most to them. Unless of course this is supposed to be some 'test' and we are too dumb to see through it? What kind of test involves divintiy in the same breath with child abuse? Alcohol, drugs, affairs, seeing devotees as losers,
taking money from near poverty level premies, giving up family and friends to prove devotion? And now, according to the last video presentation I attended, an aspirant is supposed to be told straight away that participation and propogation are essential to the enjoyment of knowledge. We aren't doing it right but still it is a 'gift'- a required gift that we do so, if we want to enjoy knowledge. More guilt.

I suggest whoever wrote those words walk a mile in our shoes befores making such flippant comments. We've already walked in his.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:44:54 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Peg (the hopeless complainer)
Subject: Boy, that was really confrontational!
Message:
Peg,

You're going to have to learn a few basic HTML things if you're gonna go around quoting people like that. There used to be a help page on the forum but there isn't right now.

Anyway, if you want to affect text you simply put a little carrot bracket in front of the words and another after, only the second one has a slash in it two:

<>text

If you want to embolden the text, you put the letter 'b' in the first bracket and behind the slash in the second.

If you want to italicize the text, same thing but with the letter 'i'.

If you want to underline the text, you use 'u'.

That's all I know but it's enough for here.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:55:04 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey, that didn't work
Message:
It's always tricky showing HTML because the code still does its thing. In this case, it eliminated the second set of carrot brackets.

I'll try again (ignore the apostrophes):

Start with '<', then put either b, i, or u, depending on whether or not you want to make the text bold, italicized or underlined. Then close the bracket with one of these '>'. All that goes in front of the text.

Then, after the text, you use the same symbols only this time adding a slash '/' after the first carrot.

So, to italizice the word 'pony':

1) '<', then 'i', then '>'

2) Then the word 'pony'

3) '<', then '/', then 'i', then '>'

That'll make 'pony' look like 'pony'

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:00:13 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: a small point: it's a 'caret'
Message:
peg, you can always use quotations around the person's original words, to distinguish it from your own commentary upon them.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:58:55 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: See, I screwed up again!
Message:
No how? I used an 'u' instead of a 'i' when I tried to italicize that first 'u'. When you do that, the HTML continues to code everything afterwards pursuant to your first direction. I'm always screwing this up so the idea of me even beginning to talk about this shit is a joke.

Sorry.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:22:20 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You tell 'em, Peg and btdt
Message:
Funny thing I was accused of posting that message by wingo pingo on LG as satire.

However wp's sentiments are common among exes at least among the cultweasel troublemaking kind. One Cacweasel once said to me that I was bitter because I did not become a mahatma. Actually I'm pissed because I didn't win those democratic elections to be the guru who is greater than god.

I just love seeing you newbies getting indignant. It makes me feel like an old-timer. Eight months ago I was fuming and boiling like you and now I'm so mellow I'm thinking of inviting Rev Rawat to dinner at my restaurant so we can discuss things man to man. ;)

BTW Jim, do you have to use < and a P and > to make a paragraph break or am I wasting my time and it happens automatically as it did on FV?

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:50:20 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: You tell 'em, Peg and btdt
Message:
If I promise to go inside with my newbieness, can I be a waitress for the night at your din din with Monsieur Rawat? Huh, huh, huh? I promise not to spill anything. I never got to be a pam..........pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze?????
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:26:09 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Are you serious?
Message:
Funny thing I was accused of posting that message by wingo pingo on LG as satire.

However wp's sentiments are common among exes at least among the cultweasel troublemaking kind. One Cacweasel once said to me that I was bitter because I did not become a mahatma. Actually I'm pissed because I didn't win those democratic elections to be the guru who is greater than god.

I just love seeing you newbies getting indignant. It makes me feel like an old-timer. Eight months ago I was fuming and boiling like you and now I'm so mellow I'm thinking of inviting Rev Rawat to dinner at my restaurant so we can discuss things man to man. ;)

BTW Jim, do you have to use < and a P and > to make a paragraph break or am I wasting my time and it happens automatically as it did on FV?


---

You actually do that to start new paragraphs?

Why?

Isn't your 'enter' button working?

Hm?

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:08:02 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Are you serious? No I'm an idiot
Message:
Testing - one enter
testing - two enters

testing

Doesn't work in review mode. Testing again in submit mode.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:09:51 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Eureka! Thanks, Jim - duh.
Message:
I assumed that it did not work because it does not work in the review mode.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:47:33 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Cyberstalking Court Case (OT)
Message:

[ cyberstalking and re-cyberstalking ]
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 04:03:22 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: I don't think this is ot
Message:
In fact i think it's time Boris faces the music.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 07:10:13 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Loco
Subject: What CAC call stalking is very different
Message:
Stalking means more than just posting on a public forum.

The case Rick cites involves two counts:

COUNT ONE

(Interstate Stalking)

On or about October 23, 2000, at Vancouver, within the Western District of Washington, JAMES DALTON BELL did travel across a State line from the State of
Washington to the State of Oregon, with the intent to injure or harass another person, to wit, Mike McNall, and as a result of such travel placed Mike McNall in
reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury to himself and to his immediate family.

All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2261A.

COUNT TWO

(Interstate Stalking)

On or about October 23, 2000, at Vancouver, within the Western District of Washington, JAMES DALTON BELL did travel across a State line from the State of
Washington to the State 28 of Oregon, with the intent to injure or harass another person, to wit, Jeff Gordon, and as a result of such travel placed Jeff Gordon in
reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury to himself and to his immediate family.

All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2261A.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:28:14 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: However...
Message:
CAC posted personal info of exes with the intent to cause damage. He also knowlingly posted false and misleading information. Not exactly the same, but the prison sentence in the case was outstanding.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 15:27:13 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: CAC gave stalkers the means
Message:
no one seems to have mentioned that, by postng all that personal information on the net, CAC was not fighting cyberstalking, but fomenting it. Anyone who read those pages was given all they needed, to go hunting down the people named in the site, and harrass, hurt, attack or even kill them.
cac was a stalker site, not an antistalker site.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:17:25 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: News flash -- Guru says 'Have a nice day!'
Message:
Living life - breath by breath

A report from Ivete Belfort Mattos in Florianopolis on 25 August 2001

In an auditorium full of love and joy, today, Maharaji expressed how important it is to be alive - breath by breath.

He reinforced this by saying that, paradoxically, we waste time in our lives by trying to save it. Computers were a great example: we spend hours trying to program our computers, instead of actually living.

(In fact, this is exactly what happened to me. I spent hours preparing my computer to be ready for Florianopolis and I was so tired after doing it, that I actually forgot to bring it.)

Maharaji went on to talk about the importance of receiving this life as a gift without expecting anything.

For more than one hour he reminded us how to live without judgement, because, as he said, this is what we forget as we live our lives.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:50:22 (EDT)
From: Lamaze
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Guru says: in and out
Message:
'He reinforced this by saying that, paradoxically, we waste time in our lives by trying to save it. Computers were a great example: we spend hours trying to program our computers, instead of actually living.'

I get it: I'll do it when I'm dead.

'For more than one hour he reminded us how to live without judgement, because, as he said, this is what we forget as we live our lives. '

Be crazy. hahahahhahahaha

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:10:20 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: The 'gift' of life
Message:
This is a philosophy that people choose to adopt in their lives. If they get something out of it by looking at life that way, that's fine by me. The only question I have is what does this have to do with Maharaji? It's not as if this is an original message. It's very zen, in fact. Don't ask anything from life, just live it. Where Maharaji errs, though, I think, is in his talk of life being a gift for which there should be gratitude. That's not just living life. That's forcing a response toward it as well as having a concept ('gift') about what life is.

As always, for those who dare to think about what Maharaji says, there are loopholes to be found. But who thinks about it when all they want to do is believe that whatever Maharaji says is pearls from heaven. And that's what the real deal is. It's not what Maharaji says that matters to a premie, it's the fact that Maharaji is saying it. It's the belief that Maharaji is the wisest of the wise, and if he says something that might not gel with our own common sense, rather than stand by our own sense of reason, we defer to Maharaji because of how much higher we place him than ourselves. It's a trap we set for ourselves, to be sure, but it's also a trap that Maharaji invites us into.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:59:23 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Cripes, where's the substance???
Message:
He's watered down whatever may have been of value in practicing a 'spiritual discipline' into regurgitating what is so obvious that it 'goes without saying', as the saying goes.

He is quite confused.

His technique of polarizing the 'mind' (intellect, judgment) into a demon is the root of his beloved power. In a sense, he has created the devil he can then claim to courageously fight with K.

One can accept life as a gift, breath by breath, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY make meaningful judgments about a multitude of personal, business, organizational, community, social, environmental concerns. I mean, come now, this is not rocket science.

Like, I suppose he doesn't make any judgments whatsoever, about anything, what with being the master of his philosophy, or K, and everything.

And the list of honorable human concerns could go on and on: But underpining all this activity can be a very in-the-moment, breath-by-breath practice, if one chooses. It can be lovely or neutral or whatever.

So, for these friendly and redundant reminders he arranges to be lavishly glutted with the choicest of the world's booty, ill-gotten as it is, and to be worshipped as greater than God? For all the revisionism, this IS still the subtext.

So who is going to spank the ample bottom of that bad, bad boy. Naughty Prempal, naughty Prempal. Go to your room now without your supper.

Feeling naughty myself,
Carl

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:26:44 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I give up (OT)
Message:
First School of Astrology Is Accredited

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

COTTSDALE, Ariz., Aug. 27 (AP) — A school here in suburban Phoenix, where students learn to write horoscopes and give advice about the future, has won accreditation from a federally recognized body, in what is believed to be a first for a school of astrology.

The accreditation of the school, the Astrological Institute, will allow it to seek approval from the Department of Education for its students to get federal grants and loans.

The school's founder, Joyce Jensen, who had been seeking accreditation for years, said the stars were favorably aligned this month.

'This was a very good time,' said Ms. Jensen, a 60-year-old Scorpio.

Her institute, where courses include a 'master class on the asteroid goddesses' and 'how to write an astrological column,' offers one program: a diploma in astrology and psychology.

The institute received accreditation from the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology after demonstrating that its teachers were qualified and that its graduates could be placed in jobs, said Elise Scanlon, executive director of the commission, which is based in Arlington, Va. Ms. Scanlon and other officials in her field knew of no other accredited astrology schools.

Judith Eaton, head of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation in Washington, said the accreditation did not validate astrology, but only recognized that the school fulfilled its promises to students.

Tuition is $5,300. Day and evening classes are offered. Full-time students can earn a diploma in 12 months. But most of the 32 students take evening classes, after working day jobs.

To earn a diploma, students must pass six required courses, three each in astrology and psychology, and at least four electives.

Graduates usually set up private practice, though some are hired by holistic healing centers, spas and cruise ships, Ms. Jensen said. She hopes to offer an associate degree at some point.

Astrology contends that a person's character and fate are directed at birth by the position of the sun, the moon and the planets. This is charted in a horoscope, which is often done these days with computer software.

Scientists scoff at the pursuit.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:44:56 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: lots of money in Sedona (OT)
Message:
And lots of their kids going to school at ASU/Scottsdale.
If they haven't been assimilated into a cult that is.
What a strange state. Major polarity, extremes.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:34:48 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're such a skeptical scorpio ;)
Message:
Above link is some comic relief for you.
[ My Home Payge ]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:15:19 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: remember linking to geocities isnt allowed
Message:
pat and everybody else--
remember: geocities intervened and stopped people from being able to link directly to their sites, after they lost money on theft of bandwidth by html writers who used hyperlinks to 'borrow' graphics and midi's from pages that werent theirs.

if you are going to put up a link to t a page at geocities or tripod, please give us the entire URL by itself, so we can paste it into our browser windows in order to go look.
the usual html flags for a hyperreference (a href) won't get us there.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:27:17 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: geocities does not allow hotlinks
Message:
to stand-alone files such as graphics (jpegs, gifs, bmps etc.) You can only link to an html page which this link is. See explanation to Carl below.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:19:50 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Where be the link?
Message:
Hey Pat, all I get is a blank bright blue screen. What'm I doing wrong?
Carl
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 17:16:10 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Open it in a new window, Carl
Message:
Right click on your mouse and open the link in a new window. It is deliberately badly designed site and has too many pics per page so it takes for ever to download. Collapse that window while it unfolds and cruise another window. Give it four minutes and it will be there. It's a hoot and a holler.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 19:15:23 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Can't get beyond the blue :)C
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:30:14 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: See explanation to Carl above
Message:
Refresh the page if it is too slow. It's not my page and I didn't write the html. It's clunky but provides a few laughs.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:30:03 (EDT)
From: Joe Whalen
Email: None
To: All
Subject: To Elan Vital - Good Will Gestures
Message:
To Elan Vital:

In my message below, I talked about how the events of the past weeks might be used in a positive fashion to reduce the level of animosity and fear that exists between followers and ex-followers of Maharaji.

A couple of good will gestures might really help in reducing the feelings of hostility on both sides and help people talk to each other in a more measured, reasonable tone.

I understand that the EPO website has changed the heading on the front page about Mahatma Jagdeo and the sexual molestation of children that is claimed to have been inflicted by him. The former title: 'Harboring a Peadophile' has been removed, at the request of Elan Vital, given that there is a difference of view as to whether anything like 'harboring' took place.

Now, it has to be acknowlwedged that I understand this was done under the threat of a lawsuit by Elan Vital against the website, but it was done nonetheless, and as I understand it, it was the first time Elan Vital ever requested a change to the EPO website, and the change was done, without any lawsuit having been filed, to my knowledge. Okay, let's call it a 'good will gesture' because Elan Vital made a request, and the people who run the EPO website complied.

So, would it be possible to see a similar gesture on the part of Elan Vital? It might go a long way, even a small gesture, to calm things down, and what I am suggesting is an extremely small gesture.

The suggested change is probably innocuous in the scheme of things, but it's to some statements that I find personally offensive in the FAQs on the Elan Vital website. I know that issues about whether or not Maharaji is running a cult or whether Maharaji ever claimed to be God and the like, are hot button issues that we will probably never agree on. But how about how Elan Vital talks about the ashrams? You say the following:

The early Indian organization that supported Maharaji’s teachings brought with it to the West many Hindu based practices, including vegetarianism and ashram (monastic type) living.

These concepts were soon abandoned, and eventually disbanded...The 70s were a time when many young people embraced the values of what came to be known as the ‘drug culture’. The ‘ashrams’, which literally mean shelters, were established to provide people with an environment for serious and focused effort to pursue the benefits of Knowledge. Maharaji, at that time, though a young teenager, was recognized by several US states for the significant effect his teaching was having in leading people away from the ‘drug culture’. As such, ashrams worked for a while precisely because of what was going on socially in the era in which they came about, but at no time were they mandatory... (emphasis added)

Can this please be changed? Maybe the person who wrote it is a relatively new PWK, or maybe they just don't write very clearly, or maybe it's a mistake, I don't know.

Maybe they weren't around in the 70s and 80s when Maharaji's ashrams existed in the West. But come on. Everybody who was around them, especially the thousands of us who lived in the ashrams know, they were not created or maintained to save us from drugs. That's just plain not true, and the reason I find it personally offensive is that I was there, I lived in the ashram for over 8 years, and no one ever said, most of all Maharaji, that the ashrams were for that purpose. And I never had a problem with drugs to begin with, so it's even more offensive to me personally.

So, I would like to suggest that you just quietly drop that section. You don't have to explain why, you don't have write anything else, just drop it. It's no big deal, but it means a lot to me and others who sincerely dedicated ourselves in Maharaji's ashrams and it's demeaning to describe what we did there in such trivial terms. But the main thing is it might go a long way to show some good will on your part, and begin a new era of better relations among all of us, and perhaps in response to the changes EPO has made. What do you say?

Consider this an official request on behalf of former followers of Maharaji who used to live in his ashrams that that FAQ be removed. I think you would find that many of your current members would be happy, and less embarrassed, as well.

Whaddya say? EPO did what you asked, how about doing the same? Good will gesture? Reduce the tension?

Joe Whalen

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:00:49 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe Whalen
Subject: Yeah, and while you're at it
Message:
Yes, good suggestion, Joe.

EV, while you're at it, would you also consider changing the FAQ comments about Maharaji claiming to be God? The evidence is overwhelming, as evidenced in the EPO quotes section, that Maharaji most definitely claimed to be God. Think of the needless hostility and lost credibility you'd avoid if you simply admitted that fact.

It's like Congressman Gary Condit. All he had to do was admit the obvious, in his case that he'd had a sexual relationship with Chandra Levy, and he would have robbed his critics of one of their easiest arguments against him, that being that he's clearly a liar.

Maharaji most definitely claimed to be God. You know it, he knows it, we know it. Everyone who's ever heard of the guy knows it. So why not admit the facts and proceed from there? I know, Maharaji's got all sorts of explanations as to why he might have made such claims. Fine. He can offer them and people can assess them for themselves. But this blatant denial of such obvious facts .... how do you expect any of us to get along in the face of such insults.

See, EV, what you have to appreciate is that Maharaji's past is not just his. It's ours as well. Sure, he was the guy on the stage, the guy in the pictures, the anything and everything, all that. But to the extent that we were really alive then, autonomous, real people, that was our story too. What we have with Maharaji is a shared history. He doesn't own it, nor do you. Sometimes when I hear Maharaji or some premie say 'enjoy it if you want and, if not, just leave' I get the impression that ex-premies are being asked to leave their memories at the door along with their Smart Cards. As if walking means that one's forfeited the right to comment upon, question and, yes, criticize that common past. But I'm sorry, EV, only cults have such little respect for their members. We were real people then.

Or, to pick up on Joe's example above, yes, we lived in Maharaji's ashrams but those were our ashrams too. That's where we lived our lives. Our lives, not his. So when you or Maharaji lie about our common past you're lying about us and, yes, that infuriates. If EV's not a cult then prove it by showing some respect for other people. Don't lie and cover up our past, even going so far as to call us mad for standing by it. Do, rather, join us on some common ground, namely, that same common past we shared, and maybe then we can talk to each other with something akin to mutual respect.

On the other hand, if Maharaji or his premies continue to lie about my past, I can't help but take that as a personal insult. Respect, then, is out of the question and the communication reflects that fact.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:49:43 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You guys are pissin' in the wind...
Message:
And I'll tell you why....

First of all, Maharaji is a sick fucker. He's a sociopath, a megalomaniac and you are asking for something he will never, I repeat, never grant. He is probably on his yacht having a great time right now. That's what pisses me off.

Second of all, Maharaji only loves himself (but not really, no one who is so self-deluded can ever claim self-love). He covers his ass quite well. EV shields him because it's supposed to shield him. That's EV's purpose.

I just got curious and went over to Lifes (sic) Great. I cannot imagine what any expremie could possibly benefit from going over there. I feel like I need another shower and I've already had my daily bath. The crap on that forum is simply that: shit, fecal matter being spouted by cult members who are ignorant because they are infested with Maharajism.

I know I wasn't singled out on CAC. I wish I were because I have information about the issue that still haunts me and that's DECA. I know, I know...it's probably been hashed and rehashed. But the fact of the matter is, that there were hundreds of premies, including myself, who were used and abused there. Where are they now?

I'd like to open that can of worms. DECA. A slave factory for the Lord of the Universe. The few posts I read over on LG made me want to puke. The nerve of anyone, any premie, nice or not nice, to say that those of us who have left Maharaji ''didn't have the seed implanted correctly,'' or never devoted themselves enough is so far beyond the truth I just want to FREAK OUT!

There's one thing I've learned about Maharaji since I became an ex-premie. He doesn't care about anything but himself. He just doesn't. He would rather lie, betray, collect money from premies and aspirants to add to his wealth than ever tell the truth about himself.

And he's well protected. Face it, he's never going to do what we want him to do and that is to fess up about his past. He'll never admit to anything he's done wrong (and that's a lot) because it doesn't serve HIS purpose.

Do you see what I mean? And this Jihad shit (I really hate that word). Doesn't that mean ''Holy War?'' This is no holy war. This is a campaign of hate and self-defense on the part of a CULT because of those of us who have placed ourselves in a vulnerable position because we've published our real names.

I have nothing to hide. I have nothing to fear. I will continue to complain about the injustices served upon us by that creep, Rawat.

When I was exiting the LG site, I said to myself, ''this is just like arguing with a drunk.'' The drunk is Maharaji, and the intoxicant is Maharajism, all the traps, all the trappings, all of the missinformation and all of the betrays and lies.

I lived in DECA. Lived there. Where are all those DECA folks? Where are all the premies who were hurt there?

Sorry for rambling...I'm just very sick of the premies right now who think they know something about Maharaji and his cult, and feel qualified to judge us exes.

And another thing....who are all these anonymous posters here? I can't tell one from the other! Can everyone please, continue to use your handle or names? This is getting really stupid.

Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 16:02:25 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: something I love about this forum
Message:
whichever version. And that is watching someone grow and work through the exiting, the anger. Or is it just watching good changes happen? Your posts have been great Cynthia! And I'm especially appreciative of the ones today because of personal crap as well as the aftermath of all that's happened here.
I agree with your post above regarding M, etc.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:24:00 (EDT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Why he will never retract that claim
Message:
These are excellent posts, Joe and Jim.

Maharaji will NEVER retract the claim that he was God (or Greater than God, to be exact) for the simple reason that he still believes it. It's still the basis upon which his cult functions today, even though it's well hidden and disguised. I can't see that ever happening as it would dry up his income stream instantaneously and he might have to curtail his lifestyle a little bit, which would be a bitter pill to swallow indeed.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:47:24 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe Whalen
Subject: Re: To Elan Vital - Good Will Gestures
Message:
Joe, both of your posts are right on and well written. It never hurts to extend an olive branch for peace. 'Peace on earth begins within you' is the way the slogan went I believe.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:12:02 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: More whirled peas
Message:
Also, Rev Rawat, could you tell thousands of fringe premies who have not had the benefit of the ''evolution'' of your religion from Hindu to New Age, that they will not turn into rotting vegetables if they leave you. Many people are still suffering terrible mental and spiritual anguish, guilt and superstition because of that statement of yours.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:14:57 (EDT)
From: Silvia Sommer
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Me too
Message:
Please maharaji, tell us it is not so.

Supertition affects the subconscient mind and that is why you gurus do it; is a manipulation technique to control people, maharaji. Isn't?

Hi Pat! Read your e-mail. :)

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:11:13 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Silvia Sommer
Subject: will read email. Thanks [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:25:48 (EDT)
From: janet schwartz
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: I STAND WITH THESE. I SECOND THIS. [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:46:03 (EDT)
From: Joseph A. Whalen
Email: kevjo@mindspring.com
To: All
Subject: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone
Message:
August 28, 2001

Dear Elan Vital Board of Directors, Prem Pal Singh Rawat (aka Maharaji) and All Interested Parties:

Subject: Attacks by Followers of Maharaji Over the Internet

The CAC website appears to have removed the defamatory material about me and others, although I am unsure how long that will last.

I will say that within the 48-hour deadline I gave Maharaji and Elan Vital, part of my demands have been fulfilled. The defamatory material has apparently been removed within the deadline. If Maharaji or Elan Vital had anything to do with it being removed, I praise them for doing the right thing and it restores my faith in the basic decency of people, including people I personally know who are still followers of Maharaji. But this is NOT the end of the story for me.

In my letter to Elan Vital and Maharaji of August 26, in addition to removal of the defamatory material, I also demanded a public statement by Prem Pal Singh Rawat that he specifically disapproved of that, particular, website, and the defamatory, homophobic, and of the illegal attacks that took place thereon, and that he disapproves of any similar actions by anyone associated with him.

Why do I feel this is necessary? Because tomorrow, or in the next 15 minutes, the same or another website, formed by the same or other fanatic devotees of Mr. Rawat could appear again and without a public statement by Mr. Rawat, I am concerned such a site likely will appear.

I and others have already been severely damaged by what adherents to the teachings of Mr. Rawat have done to us through the CAC website, (others more than me from what I know so far), and we have legitimate concerns that it might occur again. Moreover, the Maharaji followers who formed the CAC website say they are turning their 'database and resources', which I conclude includes our names and their false and twisted 'files,' on us over to other, unnamed, organizations, possibily legal, illegal, legitimate, racist or homophobic. The point is, we don't know.

Since the CAC website was viciously homophobic, among it's other crimes, this is of particular concern to me as a gay man. I demand that Elan Vital and Prem Pal Singh Rawat also make a statement that they disapprove of this action as well.

What have I learned from this? What I have learned is that the Maharaji cult is a lot more dangerous than I ever believed, and the same level of fanaticism, compartmentalized thinking, and Jihad mentality apparently still exists there, just as it did in the time of Mahatma Fakiranand, despite the facade of the modern and non-fanatical organization that Elan Vital presents. It is truly frightening.

It also reinforces my view that there are elements within the Maharaji cult who are following the path of other cults, who viciously attack former members who have the courage to speak out about what they found wrong with their former cult and reveal damaging information that the cult has tried very hard to keep secret. This is also frightening, given the pattern we have seen with Scientology and other cults.

I know that many, probably the vast majority of followers of Mr. Rawat, are good people, who aren't out to hurt others and wouldn't do so. Remember, I was once a follower of Mr. Rawat myself, and many of the people I knew at that time were wonderful, loving people who wouldn't dream of doing what the more fanatic devotees did. They are not the problem. It's the other element that's the problem, and if Mr. Rawat isn't very careful and very clear on reigning them in, he is a problem as well.

Is there something positive here? One thing that might be positive, is that I hope, like Way and Sir Dave said, that perhaps this might open a more constructive dialogue between current and former followers of Maharaji. I think we have seen that vitriol on both sides, although perhaps understandable, is not constructive. And I would like to make the following points.

1. Despite whatever else is said, if someone sincerely wants to be a follower of Maharaji, is having a good time doing that, he or she has every right to do so, and to speak openly about it. But they do not have the right to try to stop those who are critical of Maharaji and his organization, from speaking out or to attack them as people for doing so. And, of course, pwks and the organizations have every right to correct any misstatements that anyone says about what they are involved in. But it is generally not helpful, as most of the Pwk sites do, to simply label all statements and criticisms of Maharaji as 'lies' and not engage on the substance of the statements.

2. Likewise, anyone who used to be a follower of Maharaji, who feels he or she was damaged by their involvement with Maharaji, has an equal right to speak about it. But they do not have the right to prevent any follower of Maharaji from publicly disagreeing with them, and or to prevent them from correcting any errors of misperceptions that the former member might have. It is generally not helpful to label followers of Maharaji, or former followers as a monolithic group who all believe the exact same things.

And neither group has the right to harass or abuse anyone else. We are all human beings, whatever it is we believe, and we all have rights.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:44:01 (EDT)
From: Gail MacDougall
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: Re: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone
Message:
Very well put, Joe. What is this all about?
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:37:17 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: So your posts were all made up were they?
Message:
Yea, of course they were.

By the horrible evil CAC board of directors. Nasty men.

'And neither group has the right to harass or abuse anyone else.
We are all human beings, whatever it is we believe, and we all have rights.'

Boy that sounds convincing, especially coming from you.

NOT

When you stop pompously DEMANDING that Maharaji does you bidding perhaps you'd like to join the rest of us in the real world?

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 15:43:46 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: you? in'the real world'?!????
Message:
i cant begin to take you seriously until you start breaking out of the bubble/shell/shackles/delusions that you still think is 'the real world'.
if you lived in the real world, you wouldnt talk so funny. if you lived in the real world, you wouldnt be fighting us. if you lived in the real world, you wouldnt run halfway across the world so you could get the latest sayings of a fat guy and come back and rabidly live your life according to them or him.
in the real world, people know that everyone is the same. in the real world, no one goes around thinking themselves or somoene else is god on earth incarnate to save them--or someone else.
in the real world, opinions are like assholes and everyone has one. no one's is any better than any one else's.

in your world, your opinion is nothing and maharaji's opinion is all-wise, all knowing, all seeing, all commanding.
you might as well just worship his asshole.
obviously, HE does.
why else would he want--and get--a golden toilet to shit on? and who got it for him?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:36:46 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Wrong, In my world my opinion is everything
Message:
And the day you start taking me seriously.

Is the day I'm in serious Doggiedoodoo.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 14:11:58 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: TO SC...FUCK OFF...
Message:
If you're such a good little premieji, why don't you go back to Lifes (sic) Great and give satsang?

You are a hypocrite of the worst kind. Get lost, you little flea, I'm allergic!

P.S. Rawat Sucks You and Your money, and you're in a CULT

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:35:56 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Some were, some weren't
Message:
In some cases the quotes attributed to me were shear fabrications.

In some cases quotes of others were attributed to me.

In some cases quotes were taken out of context.

In some cases quotes were correct but given, bizarre, defamatory, and in some cases nosensical titles.

In most of the cases, especially the ones referring to sexual abuse and exploitation, the quotes were about Maharaji and Jagdeo, and the subjects should be familiar to you, since you read most of what gets said here.

Any other questions?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 01:47:39 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Trouble is Joe...
Message:
That us spectators (of CAC in this instance) have NO IDEA which posts were yours and which weren't so we have to make a sort of composite profile in our brains. And I'm sure you'll agree, that with a blending of all the posts, your profile tends to lean towards the more negative aspects of the poster. But I don't take it that seriously and am sure that like most, you're actually a great guy in the (gulp) real world.

For what it's worth (not much I know, Cynth and Jan) I don't regard any of you as stalkers in the real sense of the word.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 10:33:29 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Excuse Me??
Message:
When you stop pompously DEMANDING that Maharaji does you bidding perhaps you'd like to join the rest of us in the real world?

Yes, it's true. I live in the delusional world in which Maharaji is nothing more than an ordinary human being and expected to take responsibility for his actions. You, however, live in a cult with the one, true, understanding that Prem Pal Singh Rawat can't be demanded of anything because he is god. Thanks for setting me straight there. I sure needed it.

Glad you were impressed by my letter.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:32:38 (EDT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: Re: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone
Message:
Joe you are eloquent and very wise in your letter. Congratulations!
I agree that the threat still exists and that m and ev should issue a statement disapproving of it publicly.

What a cult mentality can do to people is really scary lets count our blessings for being out and free.

Mercedes

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:56:41 (EDT)
From: VC
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: Re: To Elan Vital, Maharaji and Everyone
Message:
I will say that within the 48-hour deadline I gave Maharaji and Elan Vital, part of my demands have been fulfilled.

You crack me up.... This shows your delusion:

1. That CAC have taken the site down because of your 'threat'...
2. That EV or Maharaji are behind CAC (ROLF)
3. That your deadlines mean anything to the CAC researchers

C'mon man, grow up and face reality!

ROLF ROLF ROLF!!!

VC

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:28:05 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: Everyone, read- Good post! NT
Message:
y
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:50:47 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: Bravo. A call for respecting free speech.
Message:
Very clear and direct, Joe. Thank you for taking the trouble to compose such a strong statement, and in particular to call them on their homophobic stance.

Your recent letters, and several of Jim's lately, have been masterpieces of straightforward clarity and honor in defense of free speech and historical truth in the face of such tawdry viciousness and twisted, gratuitous slander as pumped out of the fearful sewer of the worst of M's so-called devotees.

One sincerely hopes that the CACA people are not representative of the majority of his sweet but unconscious/deluded minions. But the 'bongo' element has always been around. I suspect M or EV management had thought they could make use of that element, yet to keep adequate distance and a case for plausible denial. Either that or it was managed from the very top, which wouldn't be a pretty picture either. In any event, odds are they will choke on their own cleverness.

Again, bravo Joe.

Carl

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:14:34 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: I imagine the EV monitors have to breathe heavy
Message:
Must be a lot of Holy Name action going on when they read this site, huh?

Well, EV Monitors, as you know, at least one of you has already left the cult after reading enough of the forum. Does that worry you at all? No? You sure?

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:23:12 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Actually two monitors have quit..
Message:
I know well one fairly recent ex who was specifically tasked by EV (at national level) to monitor here with a view to some sort of PR damage-limitation strategy. Read the main site and journeys and was out of the cult sooner than you could say bholeshrisatgurudevmaharajkijai.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:08:26 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: You mean
Message:
Nick Keely?

Don't worry, we'll have him shot at dawn sir.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:23:08 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: So , you're an Englidh
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:34:40 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: Re: So , you're an English operative .
Message:
Leave Nick alone, he's hardly posted on these forums.

Who are you ?

Sandy Collier maybe ?

Pat Dorrity

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:30:48 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: No. [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 23:09:08 (EDT)
From: VC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Delusional :(
Message:
...Well, EV Monitors...

Yet another delusional person.... Who do you think you are that warrants 'monitoring'? Give me a break! You and your pals are just a bunch of obsessed people with too much time in your hands and not much love (otherwise why do you spend soooo much of your time in here). You are obsessed and you know it. You have no love in your lives and you know it.

Mr. Heller,

You are not worth the time.... You have been exposed (together with your other few pals) as the worst kind of stalkers, hiding behind a facade of righteousness and free-speech to harrass Maharaji and his followers (cool uh? using bigotry, fear and obscenity and still maintain a facade of righteousness....)

There is no way back now. We all know who you and your pals are (bizarre, cultish, obesessed, obscene, arrogant, nuts, etc. etc.).

This is obvious to those that want to see the obvious.

VC

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 16:01:34 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: VC
Subject: Re:stalkers
Message:
well Vc, that sounded like a stalking threat, to me. ominous, veiled, pointed, insinuating, malignant...whaddya think? CAC put up all the juicy information any stalker would want to collect before they set out on their mission to silence the infidels forever. In fact, i can't imagine any other use for putting such information up on a webpage about someone else. free individuals put up personal home pages all the time with photos and such, and business sites put up their place of business and phone contact information for any potential client to use. But headlining a page with nothing but 11 people's names in the metatags? and displaying their personal information against their consent?
and then deliberately distorting their honest words and omitting by ellipses the defining parties that make the accounts complete?
definitely stalking.
definitely criminal intent.

whatever you try to claim about us ex's, you can't say we are criminals. our record fails the test every time.
aint it weird? we were naive and got fooled, realized it, and are mad that we were, and are saying so.
you guys who are still fooled, are mad that we are telling you, and are so violently fooled that you actually want people to come and physically find us and destroy us.

that must be SOME joke, for you to believe in it that violently and totally.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 14:23:48 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: VC
Subject: SC you are a 1st class coward
Message:
You can name and defame anyone you want because you hide behind your fake name.

No courage, eh? Well, why don't you just get lost and go back to LG and give satsanga? Your mind has turned to Maharajism mush.

You have no sense of humanity because you are in the grips of a cult leader, Maharaji, who also has no sense of humanity. The only human (and that's a stretch) is himself.

Give us a break. Anger is not hate. Anger is anger.

But, buddy, gal, whoever you are, I'm starting to dislike you very, very much.

Go away, pest!

Cynthia J. Gracie,,,,,what's your name? Afraid????

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 14:25:25 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: VC/SC...all the same to me n/t
Message:
asshole
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:39:16 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: VC
Subject: YOU Delusional :( V
Message:
together with your other few pals)

Is 'few' an issue to determine if something is true?

Just because the cult has many followers doesn't mean they ALL are not delussional. The guru is a good story teller: From his own mouth... Y
You avoided answering my post few days a go? Why? Because you are a member of CACA, that is why.

O'm sorry for you. You have fallen in a cult and yoru life is passing you by. Dream on baby, dream.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:23:03 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: VC
Subject: Re: Delusional :(
Message:
You're the one who's delusional pal.

EV have admitted to monitoring this forum - get in touch little lamb.

So you're full of love are you ? I suppose love includes being hateful in the world of cults does it ?

Why do you spend your time harrassing ex premies by trolling here?

You seem intellectually challenged. Take an educational course .

About the facade of righteousness- Got a mirror ?

We all know who your pals are- doubt you've got any with your personality or lack of.

Go away and dream on Mr Turing machine

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 23:23:16 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: VC
Subject: You have no credibility, do you?
Message:
Let's be honest, shall we? You're nothing, a ghost, a cowardly little cult member desparate to forestall the inevitable. So what's this now? A joke about my last name? Too funny. I haven't dealt with that level of stupidity since the last time a premie said something. Before that it was grade four.

Yes, VC, there are indeed EV monitors. One of them up and quit after reading all the facts about your insipid cult, the stuff he'd avoided looking at or for years.

And yes indeed CAC's on the run. You're damned right they are. If you ever get the courage to post under your own name we should talk abou this further. For now, you're a nothing, a nobody.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:15:31 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're a saint, Jim
Message:
How can you be bothered to read the cultweasel anonymice let alone answer them?
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:43:59 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: amusing to our minds
Message:
It gets better and better, as our master said. Too many drinks...the dream continues. I LOVE TO READ PREMIES' POSTS.

WE ARE FREE!

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:47:29 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: Beautifully written Joe
Message:
I am only just having my second cup of tea of the morning and can't add anything to it. In fact you said it all.

Apart from the serious harm done to the personal lives of three of CACs victims, I am very pleased that it happened because, in spite of having being taken of-line, CAC will not simply disappear. It has offered us the first concrete piece of evidence of cult paranoia and game-playing and has the ptotential to interest the press.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:03:37 (EDT)
From: witheld
Email: None
To: Joseph A. Whalen
Subject: **Best of Forum, Joe Whalen*** [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:45:43 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: New section of the Advait mat book now online!
Message:
on the EV-DLM Papers .....

The 'Paramhansa Advait Mat' Book Page 31-79

1/ The Advent of Shri Paramhansa Advait Mat

2/ Shri Shri 108 Shri Swami Advait Anand Ji Maharaj (Shri Paramhansa Dayal Ji)

There is a lot left to edit and set up (on the 1st, second and 3rd master), please be patient ....
[ Page 31-51 of The Book ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:30:57 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: You are THE man ;) NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:10:06 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: New section of the Advait mat book now online!
Message:
good job, j.m., thank you
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:32:38 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: In case you're wondering what's next
Message:
I've made copies of all the chapters related to the 1st master (Shiv Dayal Ji), the 2nd master (Swarupanand) and the 3rd master (Vairag Anand). More than 220 pages of the book.

Of course this includes a lot of satsang/sermon, but there are several very interesting facts mentioned here and there that give a much better understanding of the background of Rawat's teachings and following in India.

I bet Rawat will have to update his website accordingly ..

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:04:20 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: update his own understanding first...
Message:
i am still convinced that rawat has no real understanding of how he was simply soaked in his father's personal religion, and is the product of that narrow and idiosyncratic view of life. i dont think he ever has taken any kind of look outside his own upbringing, or realized that his dad's way is not the only way--or even a shared way--when compared to world religions or Indian religions.

rawats own understanding of where he comes from and what makes him like he is, is woefully blind and ignorant.
he can't update his own website unless he updates his own mind!

imagine the scale of the bullying, going on, here: it's one thing for two people to lock horns and argue 'well, MY daddy taught ME that it's like THIS!' 'wwell, that ain;'t what my daddy taught ME--!'
and they go at it.

but for one little boy to set out across the world and teach everyone he meets that What His Daddy Taught Him is the Only Way, and that His
Daddy Was The Incarnation of God and Truth--and to never question it, never ask about other ways, never think about whether his dad was just another person, or was wrong, or saw things his own way, or might have even been a bit nuts--
it means maharaji is forever stuck in an eight year old's relationship with his father.
and that sounds about right. think about your typical 8 year old boy. he's in third year of grammar schol, he's starting to turn into a wiseass. he smarts off and talks back to adults, but he's hardly experienced enough to even know what he's saying. he can repeat dirty words for the shock value, but has no real idea what they actually mean, he can give sarcastic replies, but can't produce any viable alternatives to the orders he's given.
if his daddy dies while he's eight, thats all the memories he's ever gonna have. he'll never grow up past that stage of maturity with his father. he'll never go thru the adolescent stage of viewing him as hopelessly uncool, or backward, or flawed, or on the wrong side of issues. he'll never grow through the adult stages of finding his own stance opposite his father's, and defending it rationally, he'll never go through the advanced stages of rapprochement, where he realizes his dad might know how to handle serious questions like insurance, serious illness, a mortgage, loss of a career, a spouse, the handling of difficult children, and the biggest one--death.

maharaji can never know these life stages of maturity. he is powerless to have them, because he will never be able to have a relationship with his dad, beyond being the youngest of four boys, at eight years old.

but if he were an normal, ordinary man, that fact would be limited, to just his own life, his own working view, and the immediate imtimate relations around him. the damage would be confined to him and his personal friends and family.

instead, his mythical daddy told him to go out and tell the world that the truth is the way daddy showed him it is.
and since he cant grow out of that time and place and stage with his daddy, he goes across the world telling everyone else to beleive that the way his daddy taught him is the only way.

even daddy can't speak up and correct him.

the whole scenario is tragic

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:10:40 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: But Rawat Jr may have understood his pop
Message:
Perfectly. The guru business is very profitable. It enriched Rawat Sr and Junior. Pimple Rawat may have been ''soaked in his father's religion'' at first but after 30 years in the US it is impossible that he has not seen through all that Hindu crap. No he is just as cynical and greedy as his father.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:15:11 (EDT)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Jean-Michael..thanks..Could You
Message:
possibly give a brief synopsis of the 'interesting facts' that you mentioned in your post? It is Cumbersome wading through the GuruSpeak. Thank you again for all your work. RichMandrake
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:49:27 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Terrific work. Thanks J-M [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:06:41 (EDT)
From: CAC has 'merged'
Email: None
To: All
Subject: check it out....
Message:
Didn't premies all once want to merge with the Holy Name?
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 20:18:22 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: stars@uvic.ca
To: CAC has 'merged'
Subject: What exactly is going on?
Message:
I linked there and found a single page bullshitting about being praised by law enforcement organizations. Obviously, the truth is the other way around. Does anyone know what really happened?

Email me if you don't want it discussed on forum.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:48:46 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: It's obviously bullshit
Message:
Here's the announcement:

Stopcyberstalkers.org to merge

Since its inception in late July 2001, stopcyberstalkers.org has received more than 37,000 visitors. The site has been 'spidered' 286 times.

We have received dozens of congratulatory messages from law enforcement officials, health professionals and cyberstalking victims.

Most of all, two prominent organizations fighting cyberstalking have offered us to merge with them and we have accepted their offer. We will contribute our database of resources and our growing list of perpetrators. Our new partners will provide us with access to extensive resources here in Washington, DC.

The new synergy will provide the new entity with an unparalleled capability to prevent and stop online abuse.

We thank all our readers for their support.

Cyberstalkers beware!

This is just their way of saying 'We're quitting before we get in some real trouble for this'. These cowards know that they're facing serious consequences and are quitting in hopes that we'll just leave it be, turn the other cheek or what have you. Who knows? If Maharaji or EV weren't involved to begin with they must have realized how disastrous this has been for them, public relations-wise, and tracked down the vermin and told them to quit.

There are a million reasons why this final announcement doesn't ring true. I mean, who knows? It's possible but here are just some the reasons why I'm sure it's bullshit:

Naw, can't be bothered. Too many.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 18:02:25 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: CAC has 'merged'
Subject: CAC's REAL final message
Message:

[ caca.orgy ]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:29:47 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: CAC's REAL final message
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:57:01 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: CAC has 'merged'
Subject: Re: check it out....
Message:
what do you mean 'merged'?
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:16:10 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: CAC has 'merged'
Subject: Goddamn!
Message:
Looks like they folded. Who in the world would merge with that psychotic maniac?
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:56:16 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: fuck the net Jihad
Message:
Well that didnot take long did it. Look like the fat lady pulled the plug off.

Merged my foot.

this is the most ridicules think I've seen in my life. Bunch of pooftas.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:33:11 (EDT)
From: What are you guys
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: talking about?? Please Explain (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:36:33 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: What are you guys
Subject: Cak.
Message:
Hi,

You missed the fun. Cult members put up a website making very nasty personal attacks on forum members. It was called CAC. It looks like the site was removed.

I was flattered to find a page devoted to myself, which I preserved, rather hastily. Anyway, you'll get the gist of it. Copy this address into the top of your browser. (I can't do html.)

http://website.lineone.net/~anthginn/CAC%20anth_ginn.htm

The links on that page don't work, and the graphics didn't come down properly, but you'll get the idea.

Anth, time to surf the net for filth to sell to the tabloids.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:44:08 (EDT)
From: WELL CAC is still
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Up in So California
Message:
Sorry...guys...CAC is still Up and Running In So Cal...just checked it a minute ago.....Possibly some server is down servicing Your Area????...
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:27:53 (EDT)
From: hiding
Email: None
To: WELL CAC is still
Subject: did you remove cache
Message:
Am not getting the merge notification but am getting BAD URL. hah they aren't kidding:

Not Found
The requested URL /involve.htm was not found on this server.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 13:52:56 (EDT)
From: Sorry..youre right
Email: None
To: hiding
Subject: So Cal now has MERGE Message Which..
Message:
begs the question: WHO are they Merging with? Scientologists Against CyberStalking?? ??are the law enforcement officials they speak of Security at Rawat's Residences? OR is this Just a Way to Try to SAVE FACE as they Slink back into The SLimy Pond that They Came From?????
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 14:30:29 (EDT)
From: Julian
Email: None
To: Sorry..youre right
Subject: Re: So Cal now has MERGE Message Which..
Message:
Rawat will already have these names and addresses on file. This is Rawat's way of frightening people. He only rules by fear.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 15:15:07 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Julian
Subject: CAC's final message of fear
Message:

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:25:52 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: oh darn. showtime.
Message:
guess its time to rig up the lawn lights and strip my ugly 210 lbs naked in front of the windows and dance every night. perhaps theyll go blind from the shock.
time to get all my fillings changed so they cant track me by my implants.

time to get out the thought shielding helmet with the 38 layers of mylar so they can't hear my telepathy.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 00:19:52 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: I love it when you talk dirty, Janet
Message:

BUT SPARE ME THE OFOLOGY AND DREAM ANALYSIS

It's just your imaginayayayayation running away with you.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:16:04 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Ofology ?
Message:
I geddit! You mean

Over-identified Flying Objects


Did I ever tell you about the time I saw one? The occasion remains with me to this day, both for the clarity of the vision, and for its emotional impact. I do remember thinking at the time that the experience had changed me, that I would never be the same again.

And so it proved when I awoke from that dream of being buzzed by a massive spherical UFO (just like one from the cover of a Robert Heinlein paperback).

It had to be a dream, of course, as everyone knows advanced alien races do NOT travel around in tin cans, however sophisticated. Certainly, I've known that for a fact ever since I soul-swapped with a very nice being from Alpha Centauri.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:42:46 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: Ofology? Offalogy? Ufology?
Message:
John, even the Taelons (who have visited earth as Buddha, Jesus et al) use space-ships. In fact they are the most advanced race in the universe yet they don't have the ''beam me up scotty thingies.'' And the only esp they have is that their minds are all one collectively known as the Synod. Not as nasty as the Borg or the cult but still ''we who shall be obeyed.''

I don't mean to lay a heavy trip on Janet but I often wonder why reality isn't amazing enough that we have to believe in imaginary stuff. I guess I'm just too materialistic and prefer creating poetry, gardens and businesses inside of reality than inventing stuff in my imagination. Maybe it's because I prefer work to speculation and am not a lady of leisure like Ms Schwartz.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 16:25:29 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: good god-not 'oaf-ology', pat...?
Message:
please tell me you weren't trying to cast me as an oaf! oh dear! i HAVE put on too much weight, i know--but that???
my brushes with UFO stuff have been, well, tolerated with peaked eyebrows at best~~~>
<<:-\
read whitley steiber's communion and transformation in the 80's thru my book club's selections of the months, had some bizarre experiences of the telepathic variety and decided I didnt want the books in my house anymore. sent em back.
watch x-files, but primarily for david duchovny's humor and wit.
conversant with most of the popular stories about the greys, the draco's, billy mieir, the tibetans, abductions, missing time and so on.
it doesnt impact my normal life in any conceivable way.

the thought shielding helmet is something i saw on a website and saved for amusement. altho, with my son and his raving schizophrenia, damned if we might not try fashioning a real one some time to see if it makes his annoying voices go away. who knows? the inventor says it works. my landlord's a physicist. he'd be curious to build one for the hell of it, theory regardless. if the kid gets some peace of mind, who am I to argue with it? I'm not him. what do I know????
if big brother IS watching,
he's a pervert.
and he has way more time on his hands than I do.

and since you brought it up, dahling--just what are you a lady OF, if i might ask?

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 21:15:21 (EDT)
From: Pat:C) the fat fag
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Definitely not 'oaf-ology', Janet
Message:
I hope you realize by now that I love your sense of humor, enthusiastic writing and wish you only the very best in life.

BTW, I'm not a lady of anything let alone a lady in waiting or a lady of the night. Thelma may be a self-made woman but even she has balls.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 04:22:57 (EDT)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: PatC, I've known Janet since '74, and I
Message:
John, even the Taelons (who have visited earth as Buddha, Jesus et al) use space-ships. In fact they are the most advanced race in the universe yet they don't have the ''beam me up scotty thingies.'' And the only esp they have is that their minds are all one collectively known as the Synod. Not as nasty as the Borg or the cult but still ''we who shall be obeyed.''

I don't mean to lay a heavy trip on Janet but I often wonder why reality isn't amazing enough that we have to believe in imaginary stuff. I guess I'm just too materialistic and prefer creating poetry, gardens and businesses inside of reality than inventing stuff in my imagination. Maybe it's because I prefer work to speculation and am not a lady of leisure like Ms Schwartz.


---

didn't have a clue as to why she behaves the way she does till I read her journal entry on EPO. She has been thru heavy, traumatic stuff her whole life. I don't wonder that she sounds a little wiggy sometimes. But it is a miracle, perhaps even evidence of the existance of a merciful God, that she has as much sanity and clarity as she does.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 17:20:15 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Carlos
Subject: gee thanks carlos
Message:
i was wondering when you were going to tell everyone you know me.
wiggy, eh?
gosh. i'm overcome with the compliment.
wait--no I'm not.
you didnt seem to be at all worried about it when you climbed into bed with me at Wilton Zero with all those other vagrant premies around us. Or did I have a sign on my back that said 'take a number and get in line'?
sanity and clarity, you say?
i had to battle for every millimeter of it. thanks for noticing.
no personal wrath, here against you, carlos--I've just had it. I didnt need 27 years of being labeled 'bongos' by supercilious career climbers, in the face of my genuine intelligent interest in life.
I just finally walked away. I saw you posting at LG and then over here and I wasnt sure what to sayto you yet.
whoever took me to be for real on that goof about big brother, let me make it clear--
I was being sarcastic.
its called self-parody and self satire. do we have an emoticon for that, anybody? the wink, perhaps?
a wicked smirk? like this, maybe?
};-j

anyway
---
carlos. my honest explanation to you is that i just couldnt take it anymore. the rudeness, the nonperson treatment, the being 'unknown' after 27 straight years of loyalty, the laughter at grotesque things no one should humiliate someone else for,--and that was BEFORE i came here and read the site. i was in limbo for 6 months before i came here, and when i did, it was because i had to come and defend my name yet again from ridicule by those who used me for their superior amusement.
once i made myself known, tho, i was met with more accolades and respect than i ever received anywhere in the premie world, and i have since aligned myself with those here who call for ordinary responsibility from the human being who tied up so much of our lives and has behaved as if he isnt answerable to the law, common decency, morals, ethics, conscience or we who believed him and gave him all we had.

i deserve what i ask for. and so does everyone else here. we ask for all, not merely ourselves. friends of ours are dead because of this man. we lost years of normal life, children, careers, meaningfulness, giving our lives to this man. We were kept from doing real and important work for the earth, believing this man's self serving and ignorant agenda.
i'm sorry, carlos. I just couldnt do it another day. that digital dvd at santa monica civic center was the final 'fuck you' in my face. an automated soulless machine, giving the 'knowledge'?. this is something to bow down to?. it was the final slap
of all. he's too lazy and smug to be bothered with it himself. he fell off his pedestal and broke.
there's no 'grace' there. it was all a sham.

and all anyone wanted from me was money.
sorry. this is not the kind of life i want to live. i had to sever the ties. i can see too clearly what had happened. and the further i get from it, the more i can see.
its all bs. its all words. theres nothing substantial there. its all ask and no give. its all talk and no action. its all take, take, take.its all waiting for delivery on promissory notes that go bad.
not just maharaji, Carlos--the mahatmas did it,the initiators did it, the instructors did it, the community coordinators did it, the rank and file everyday premies did it.
when premies i had thought were friends, going way back, snubbed me cold, on the street, and could only talk about their stock portfolios, and acted like they couldnt wait to bolt, I knew it had all died.
it sounds like you've been reading my posts. if so, good. keep reading. i speak only what i know of.
at least over here, i can speak my mind openly and broach the forbidden.

i gesture to you, carlos--have the resolve and personal honor, to walk away from this thing. you have more good in you than that organization or that man does. you can do more good, just you, being your onest self, than he or they working for him, can ever do. because at the heart of it, it has gone rotten.
maharaji has never done his own meditation a day in his life. when he feels unhappy or nervous or ill at ease, he turns to cognac and nicotine. has done so ever since he was 14. the whole show is a lie.

you will be the better man for taking the principled stand.
work your steps, carlos. leaving it and recovering all of yourself back again, is a huge amend you make--to yourself , and to others, in working your program.

janet

jai_choix@yahoo.com
mensabrains@webtv.net

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:37:23 (EDT)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet, it sounds from your post like I hurt
Message:
your feelings. That was not my intent, And if I did, I apo;ogize. My intent was to get PatC, who knows I tell it as I see it, to back off a little. I feel you are healthier than you should be, given what you've gone thru, which I didn't know about back in Denver. And that you should be praised for essentially managing to just get a few idiosicracies from crap that would have destroyed most people, IMO. Including me.

But I'd like to keep private things private, if you don't mind. I don't denie your right to talk about anything we went thru together; it's your business as much as mine. But let's talk off forum if it's about personal stuff. Katie has an eMail address of mine (I won't put it here because of ethe unwanted, irritating eMail some exes sent me.) Or I will eMail you with it if you post that it's OK with you.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 13:30:36 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Carlos
Subject: Don't get me wrong, Carlos. I love Janet
Message:
She knows I am pulling her leg. But I really would also like to see her putting her huge IQ and considerable talents to becoming financially independent now that she is spritually independent. Have you told Cos that you know Janet? She really upset him.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 19:41:06 (EDT)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: No I haven't told CT, PatC. NT [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 21:34:22 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Carlos
Subject: Hi, Carlos, I can't discuss this with Cos on LG
Message:
So hopefully you will talk to him privately about it. I have been advised to stop communicating with him in private. I just posted this to him on LG:

Hi Cos, I did not answer your last email because of the CAC crap. Neither can I phone you as you requested until the CAC thing is sorted out because I have been advised not to communicate with premies privately. I'm not pursuing any legal stuff against CAC but the other Patrick Conlon who was confused with me is.

(He is the owner of a gay bar in SF and takes the anti-gay attacks by CAC very seriously as well as the fact that his phone number and address were published by the cult website which smeared his name by lumping him in with cyberstalkers and child-molesters. That's character assassination BTW.)

Anyway I will have to be on his side when the time comes and it's best that I don't communicate privately with any cult members until it's sorted out. Hopefully this will get resolved soon and we can resume our friendship. Until then please realize that this is not my choice but legal advice. I wish you all the best.

BTW Didn't that photo slide show software have directions on their website? I hope S can help you with it.

PS Also Carlos, DavidJ and CD I can't email you till this has all blown over. I also wish you the best.

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 04:36:45 (EDT)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: PatC, I forwarded your missive to Cos at
Message:
all 3 of his eMail addresses I've got. (I couldn't remember which is current!) Be happy to do it again, or 'most anything else (nonsexual, I'm married and monogamous) you can ask me. I agree you should fo;;ow the lawyer's advice if he's any good at all. And if he isdn't DAMN good you've got the werong guy! (Well, not YOU, but the plaintiff(s) you are supporting.)

May peace, love and doves be yours.

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 19:17:04 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Carlos
Subject: Thanks Carlos. Much appreciated [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:13:26 (EDT)
From: open letter to Marolyn(Mom)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: formerly known as Durga Ji
Message:
Marolyn,

The time is now here for you to take a stand. You are aware of the many charges against your husband, Prem. You have been and continue to be in the best position to know which of these charges are not true.

Now is the time to speak up or summon the courage to walk away from this man. Yes, you would have much to lose by leaving him but your well-being and that of your children in the long term should be your overiding concern. The psychological damage to them must be enormous. Sometime in their adult life they will have to pay the piper for their Life with Dad. You must be aware of that somewhere within you.

Do what is right, Marolyn.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:18:13 (EDT)
From: NA
Email: None
To: open letter to Marolyn(Mom)
Subject: FUCK YOU
Message:
FUCK YOU
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:02:43 (EDT)
From: avaliable
Email: None
To: NA
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU TOO
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 21:35:18 (EDT)
From: MY, THIS IS LOFTY
Email: None
To: avaliable
Subject: LOOK-IT'S MAD PREMIES!
Message:
what a totally captivating and enlightening exchange. i can't think of anything I've read recently that compares to it for sheer brilliance and edification. i must stay alert, the very secrets of the universe could be forthcoming at any moment....

janet the desultory

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 04:05:39 (EDT)
From: partialy avalable
Email: None
To: MY, THIS IS LOFTY
Subject: Re: LOOK-IT'S MAD PREMIES!
Message:
the same to you too.
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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:01:38 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: MY, THIS IS LOFTY
Subject: Re: LOOK-IT'S MAD PREMIES!
Message:
Janet, I've started to worry about the cacweasel premies who post here. I wonder if they would even know sanity. So much of their game-playing is infantile and snarly. I realize that I have to cut them slack because they come here with their defensiveness already bristling but the sad fact is that it is hard to tell if they are operating with a full deck of cards.

As someone pointed out they sound like Pauline Premie satires when they are serious and when they are joking they they sound desperate and warped or at least mentally ill. I'm starting to think that you don't really know what peace and contenment and sanity are until you purge yourself of maharajism. There is a definite lack of human empathy, compassion and common sense - all symptoms of insanity.

Most of my premie friends are slightly nutty but not crazy. I don't think it does cultweasels any good to read expremies. It makes them angry and frustrated. They really ought to be practicing Knowledge and participating and propagating as Rev Rawat recently told them. If they stop doing the three pees and try to use their intellects to talk to people who are not premies then some sort of short circuit takes place and you begin to see that they really are Taelons underneath the human facade. That's a joke Cacweasel.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:56:41 (EDT)
From: Anger, desire, attachments
Email: None
To: NA
Subject: will never bring you knowledge of the soul
Message:
never bring you knowledge of the soul,
Without the grace of satguru,
without the knowledge of satguru...

I'm sure you know the rest, NA.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:16:23 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: open letter to Marolyn(Mom)
Subject: Who are you?
Message:
If you make up a name for yourself, or use your real name if you like, and enter it in the box that says 'Your Name', when you write your message, we won't get confused which messages are from you and which are from someone else. If people use different names all the time, things get a bit muddled.

Yours sincerely,

Fred Smith the walking User Guide.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:55:48 (EDT)
From: Dear Fred
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: You must be confused
Message:
Yes, the importance here is the gift not the giver. Maybe it's that kind of thinking on my part that prevented me from realizing the K

Damn, it was the giver, it was the giver

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:15:01 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Dear Fred
Subject: You don't get it do you?
Message:
Yes, the importance here is the gift not the giver. Maybe it's that kind of thinking on my part that prevented me from realizing the K

Damn, it was the giver, it was the giver


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Maybe you think it's 'witty', or maybe you really don't understand how to post on a forum. But whatever the reason, you should learn the basics of forum etiquette.

And I'm afraid your second post doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe you should have a nice cup of tea, decide on a name for yourself, maybe something you feels suits you like, 'WISE BUT FUNNY', or 'CLEAR BUT CRYPTIC AT THE SAME TIME,' no that's abit long.

Anyway, if you keep using different names and mildly irritating everybody, I'll ask the FA to kick you off. So ner na na ner ner to you.

Anth the liver salt

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:56:50 (EDT)
From: Dear Fred
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Whatever
Message:
don't take your anger out on me; I just don't like being told what to do and the fact that it comes from another former foot kisser makes it even tougher

Do you really think that because you say something it must be true

An enema may help

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:04:58 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Dear Fred
Subject: Hey Dear Fred.
Message:
don't take your anger out on me; I just don't like being told what to do and the fact that it comes from another former foot kisser makes it even tougher

Do you really think that because you say something it must be true

An enema may help


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I'm not angry. If you want to communicate with people here you should use a single name.

Also, when I read my post back, I know it sounded a bit officious, so I posted another one underneath. It's from 'And if that doesn't work.' This is a more light-hearted antidote to the one before. But you probably didn't realise it was from me did you? Sorry, I should have used my normal acronym shouldn't I?

I can understand people not wanting to use their own name to post, but not wanting to use a pseudonynm either, what's the point pal?

Somebody has to tell you mate, it's immature and stupid and ends up pissing people off. You seem to be taking it personally. Don't.

And if you want to attack me personally for pointing this out to you, lets do it by email.

Anth the anthginn@yahoo.com

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:28:40 (EDT)
From: Dear Fred
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Thanks for nothing, Bozo.
Message:
like pointing stuff out to me; now, if you can explain cricket to me in 25 words or less, I'd be interested

and isn't it questions like WHO ARE YOU that started us on the path of following the fat guy

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:40:00 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Dear Fred
Subject: Hey, dear Fred.
Message:
like pointing stuff out to me; now, if you can explain cricket to me in 25 words or less, I'd be interested

and isn't it questions like WHO ARE YOU that started us on the path of following the fat guy


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At least you can't accuse me of not correcting my mistakes.

Cricket, a game where subjects of our old colonies repeatedly return to the mother country to humiliate the inhabitants for weeks on end with a few sticks and a ball.

Adios amigo.

Anth the silly mid off.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:21:17 (EDT)
From: And if that doesn't work
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I'll get a picture of you
Message:
and start a website with your employer's phone number and your address and tell everyone that you sell heroin to school children, and are a middle eastern terrorist, and kill kittens, and make your living through selling disgusting pornography that if you want to see I'll need your credit card number first.

Yeah, I've got your number mate. I'll put pictures of you and your family up, and I'll tell the world what you did last Saturday night.

Ha ha ha. You fool. Don't you understand I'm on a mission from God?

I am beyond right and wrong. I am a Cyber Dickhead Against, Persecutors who won't stick to a single name on the forum.

Your days as a multi-named poster are numbered.

Yours sincerely,

Glen Whatafucker

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:06:17 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: And if that doesn't work
Subject: Re: I'll get a picture of you
Message:
Attention:

The fact that you are posting anonymously doesn't meen fuck all, It is only a matter of click and see to figure out who you are. So why don't you heed the advice from Anth, be a good boy and behave.

Cheers

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:51:57 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Loco
Subject: Ha ha Loco, you fell into my trap.
Message:
Attention:

The fact that you are posting anonymously doesn't meen fuck all, It is only a matter of click and see to figure out who you are. So why don't you heed the advice from Anth, be a good boy and behave.

Cheers


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Sometimes I get too clever for my own good.

That was my bullshit post about, 'If this doesn't work etc...' I was copying the person who started the threads style of begining the post in the 'Your name' box, just to illustrate a point.

Looks like I illustrated it too well.

Sorry about the confusion I caused you Loco.

Anth the 'And if that doesn't work.'

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 12:38:15 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: why you doing this to me?
Message:
What have I done this to you? I never asked you for money, put your name on a shame list, asked to worship me for free or done any thing bad to you. You nasty mean hatfully man. Am going to make you a very very bad page on an anonymous web site and put lots and lot of bad allegations about you, and how you steal little kiddes ice cream when they are not licking [or looking]. bad man Anth.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:50:11 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Loco
Subject: Sorry. I promise to be good.
Message:
What have I done this to you? I never asked you for money, put your name on a shame list, asked to worship me for free or done any thing bad to you. You nasty mean hatfully man. Am going to make you a very very bad page on an anonymous web site and put lots and lot of bad allegations about you, and how you steal little kiddes ice cream when they are not licking [or looking]. bad man Anth.


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Sorry. I promise to be good from now on. And pray to the Baby Jesus every night.

Amen.

Anth the bornagainwotsit.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 03:47:07 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: All
Subject: To: JIm, Sam Bender and Lee
Message:
re: the following post from below.
Jethro,

That's not the kind of info that ever should be deleted here. Please feel free to say who told you this. It's the only way these stories carry any weight, when we, at least, do all we can to flesh them out. This is actually a really important story in many respects. It's so bizarre compared to the normal m routine we're all aware of. If anything, I wonder, are you still in touch with this couple? Have you ever thought of asking the former instructor to post her own first-hand account? This isn't trivial. It says far too much to be trivial.

END OF POST

I put up all the details some time ago and even put up posts more recently for the couple to contact me(the numbers I had for them did not work anymore).

All searches in the forum archives do not give the original post with the names.

I received a sort of anonymopus reply that my messages were received and can only assume that they don't want any contact with me. The message implied that Sam Bender, (husband of Lee the former instuctor who told me about the 'fuck you' tape) was in an awkward position.
They can contact me any time as they have my phone number and my enmail has been up here many times.

So Sam and Lee, I agree with Jim in that this is too important to bury. Sorry about your embarrasment Lee, but remember what maharaji said in that for Truth we have ro give up our 'social recpectability'(see peace Bomb satsang).
I have asked you to verify what you told me. Why be embarrassed if that is what really happened.
I remind you that when you told me about the incident I was still a premie and somehow accepted it as you did.

I still have the same phone number as when you last phoned me.

Sam, why don't you come home already, you know m is a crock of shit.

Jethro

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:00:24 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Re: To: JIm, Sam Bender and Lee
Message:
I was worried that maybe the deletion of the post took place during my shift (I get paranoid like that), so I did a search. I found a post from Jethro dated December 2000 where he refers to posting the details about two years previously. I also found a post that refers to the event (no details) but gives Lee's surname as Margolis (sp?).

John.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:11:59 (EDT)
From: Tomothy Parker
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: What 'fuck you' tape?
Message:
Please provide more information. You can't keep us dangling like this in frenzied suspense.
regards,
T (a known lurker)
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:07:23 (EDT)
From: Janet
Email: None
To: Tomothy Parker
Subject: the mj 'fuck you' tape?
Message:
wasnt this a videotape answer to michael donner that mj made during an instructor conference, where doner had submtted his resgnation letter and in it, had detaild specifics that he objected to having been made to be a party to in the course of his service--and mj had all the instructors/initiators come before the camera and say 'fuck you' into the running tape, ostensibly to give donner their sentiments, at mj's pressure to do it?

wasnt that it?

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 03:05:33 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Janet
Subject: Re: the mj 'fuck you' tape?
Message:
I asked Mike Donner if that was the occassion but he(Mike) didn't know anything about it.
Anyone who has been around m for any length of time know that he can be really spiteful.
I am really sorry that Lee hasn't come forward to verify this. She is clearly trapped in the duality of having m as her guru and knowing what an unsavoury character he is.

Anyway, I'll dig thru some archives. I seem to remember that m had graduation pictures taked when he made new instructors, I may find the picture if that group so simeone else ther could be asked.

Anyway noone has denied this and I'm sure there are lots of people who could come out with many stories to make premies question their unquestionability of m.

Jethro

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 03:13:02 (EDT)
From: Mr Bang
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Psychology 1
Message:
Here’s a hypothetical. There’s this baboon swinging through the trees, cussing and a whining about life. Let’s call him Jim. Now this baboon lands on the ground, scratches his head, farts, and starts to complaining. About this time a mighty Lion steps from behind the tree to see what all the fuss is about. The baboon starts right off to complaining about this and whining about that. The Lion listens in silence for what seems an eternity and then makes the observation, that if the baboon removed the banana from his ass, life might be a lot more enjoyable. Well the baboon gingerly extracts said banana and a look of wonderment spreads slowly over his face, but pretty soon he starts to cry, big heartfelt sobs. After a minute he jams the banana up his ass again and resumes his complaining.
The question for today kids, is why did he put the banana back up his bum?
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:14:42 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Mr Bang
Subject: Re: Psychology 1
Message:
maybe its because he doesnt have any pockets to carry it in, and he has opposable thumbs he has to keep free, in order to interact with the world.
something the lion wouldnt understand.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 16:34:44 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Mr Bang
Subject: Looked in the mirroe recently (nt)
Message:
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 07:03:31 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mr Bang
Subject: Mr Bang.
Message:
Mr Bang,

There is a very nasty tone to your post. You seem to be taking a very cheap shot at Jim. It goes something like, 'You are a baboon with a banana up your arse.'

This is name calling. It's the type of pathetic, immature drivel that populates the CAK site. This made me wonder- maybe there's a connection.

I mean, there can't be all that many petty minded, mean spirited, malicious, premies around can there? Most premies aren't like that.

Anyway, Bang, it looks to me like you need to work harder on your satsang stories. As a professional, albeit past his sellbydate, writer, who makes a living combing internet forums for filth to sell to the tabloids, let me give you a couple of tips.

Seperate your insults from your satsang story. Get them out the way first. So you could start,

'Jim. You are a stinking baboon with a banana up your arse. My chubby, Perfect Master is a mightly Lion. He smells of Armani Eau de Toilette. You smell of monkey turd.'

Then, when you've got it off your chest, go into your satsang story,

'Brothers and sisters. Once there was a wise lion who declared he was going to bring Peace to the Planet. Everything was going fine, until this smart arsed baboon came along....', or whatever.

You get the picture.

Who are you by the way? And why are you scared to use your real name?

Anth the chloroplaster

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 06:52:31 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mr Bang
Subject: The lion and the baboon.
Message:
You got the story wrong Bang. It goes like this:

The baboon is really horny. He goes to the waterhole to wait for a female baboon. A lion waddles up to the water hole and bends to drink, aiming his arse at the baboon. The baboon, presented with this target, cannot control himself.

He rushes the lion from behind,quickly has his satisfaction, then turns and runs into the jungle to hide. The lion, realising he's been penetrated, turns and sees the baboon disappear into the trees and gives chase.

In a clearing in the jungle sits a hunter on safari. He's on a camping chair, outside his tent, reading a newspaper. The baboon rushes into the clearing and knocks the hunter from his chair. The hunter is scared and runs into the jungle to hide.

The baboon picks up the chair and paper, puts on the hunters discarded hat, and sits outside the tent, reading the paper.

The lion bursts into the clearing, stops, looks a the 'hunter' and says, 'Did you see a baboon rush through here?'

The 'hunter' replies from behind his journal, 'Do you mean that baboon who just fucked that lion down by the water hole?'

The lion says, 'Shit. It's not in the newspaper already is it?'

Anth you gorra larf, but I've got another post for you too Bang.

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 04:20:38 (EDT)
From: loren
Email: None
To: Mr Bang
Subject: it was suppose to be there?
Message:
Maybe the banana is supposse to be there because is part of life and the wonderfart is trying to mess up the baboon's head saying is wrong to have a banana up his ass?
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:11:02 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: loren
Subject: Re: it was suppose to be there?
Message:
No, loren. The key is to distinguish LIFE from life with a banana up your ass. Once you've done that you don't mind the banana so much because life is just sooooo beautiful with or without the banana. I don't think Mr. Bang has been paying much attention to Maharaji, lately, or he'd know this. Maybe somebody ought to put a banana up Mr. Bang's so he can practice what his master preaches.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 22:34:34 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: oh i must demurr
Message:
jerry, i believe mr bang has his characters misidentified. i do believe that this baboon is most probably one of the troop known as The People With Knowledge. the lion is more likely to be of the Pride of Jim.
I suspect the baboons believe the Giver of Bananas to be their God--most likely because He Told Them He Is, and fearing that the Banana that he gives them is The Only One They Will Ever Get, they dare not eat it, for it would vanish and emerge as shit, and they might never get another. So, fearing the escape of their only treasure, they force it squarely up their asses in order to keep from losing it, only removing it from their asses in order to release their shit, and then plugging themselves up with it again.

the lion is uninterested in bananas, being as he is perfectly capable of choosing and consuming his own prey when he wishes,and so can take care of himself, is therefore immune to the guile and power of the Giver of the Bananas, and therefore detached from the urgent plight of the baboons.

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Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:10:17 (EDT)
From: Bang
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: oh i must demurr
Message:
That's easy for you to say missy.
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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 05:08:00 (EDT)
From: Gracie
Email: None
To: loren
Subject: Blocking the fecal flow?
Message:
so that when it was removed, shit went everywhere so he wanted to put it back in. So he wouldn't be seen to be 'full of shit'.

Fairly natural behaviour for all of us I imagine..

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Date: Tues, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:43:49 (EDT)
From: Bang
Email: None
To: Gracie
Subject: Sometimes I despair
Message:
Baboons don’t swing through the trees, monkeys do, and the baboon has a banana up his ass because he is an idiot. The Lion was meant to be me, not Maha.
Liked your story Anth,
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