Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Nov 26, 2001 To: Nov 30, 2001 Page: 3 of: 5


Barry -:- oops! here it is. -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:27:14 (EST)
__ ummm? -:- Re: oops! here it is. -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:28:03 (EST)
__ __ Barry -:- Hey! what gives?(nt) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:28:56 (EST)
__ __ __ Testing -:- Hey! what gives?(nt) [nt] -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 15:19:49 (EST)

Barry -:- a lovely toon for the F7 gang! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:25:25 (EST)

Joe -:- Proposed Historical Intro to Forum VII -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:45:36 (EST)
__ JHB -:- EPO Site History Updated -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 18:08:28 (EST)
__ Patrick Wilson -:- Re: Proposed Historical Intro to Forum VII -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:02:46 (EST)
__ Jim -:- How come my name's not in bold? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:24:57 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Isn't Unlimited also Disculta?/Nostalgia????? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:44:43 (EST)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Yeah, rub it in Joe -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:23:54 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- It was a compliment -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:26:18 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: It was a compliment -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 21:10:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Cute post, Richard -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:13:54 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Hey Richard, Our posts merged -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:16:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Hey Richard, Our posts merged -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:53:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- L.O.L. Enjoyed your satire -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:39:36 (EST)
__ __ __ Disculta -:- Re: Unlimited/Disculta and Nostalgia -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:55:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- I also posted on a premie board -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:51:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- To be clear ........ -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:18:29 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Yes -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:52:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Yeah -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:54:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Brian Smith -:- Re: Yeah, I am glad I pushed submit button -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:07:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- The Submit Button-Forum Fear -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:04:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Beautifully said, Marianne - NT -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:29:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I agree--spot on Marianne [NT] -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:22:49 (EST)
__ __ A little smiley face with wings -:- either side Jim's name -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:40:29 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Very funny synopsis Joe, but.. -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:12:55 (EST)

Cynthia -:- American Classics on History Channel(OT) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:35:40 (EST)
__ Joe -:- Sorry... watching Ab Fab -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:37:47 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Sorry... watching Ab Fab -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:49:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Disculta -:- Re: Sorry... watching Ab Fab -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:50:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joy -:- Me too . . . Adore Patsy -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:12:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Hi Joy, I adore Patsy too (OT) -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 12:24:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Picture of AB FAB gals (OT) -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 15:34:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Spacy secretary -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 13:32:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- But...but...but... -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:40:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Yes, forum's a treat without cultweasels -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:58:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- Question about a TV show in the US (OT) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:44:17 (EST)

Joe -:- This from CHR. Where is he now? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:32:19 (EST)
__ CHR -:- Re: This from CHR. Where is he now? -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:58:56 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Thanks Chris -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:32:00 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- Not just mailings Joe -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:41:23 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- Rawat has amnesia . Tonette -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:50:51 (EST)

Cynthia -:- Patience is a Virtue... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:19:25 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- A PW is not censorship -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:56:58 (EST)
__ __ Francesca -:- You are right about passwords -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:40:24 (EST)

Roger eDrek -:- the parallels between CAC and bin Laden -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:17:56 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- Terrorism always backfires -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:27:46 (EST)
__ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- PS I have contacted Hotboards... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:43:00 (EST)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Did you contact my friend -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:07:19 (EST)

Pat :C)onlon -:- Miami event Dec 7th and 8th -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:09:46 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- We owe it to ourselves........... -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:55:58 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- You'll need a Smartcard, Tonette -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:19:16 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Yes I can -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:36:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Software glitches probably -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:00:51 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- Get me the barf bag... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:16:29 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Extra letter -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:20:05 (EST)
__ JHB -:- More evidence for the death of EV -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:16:16 (EST)
__ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- That's the company that arranges the events -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:24:27 (EST)
__ __ __ Vicki -:- Re: That's the company that arranges the events -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:32:58 (EST)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Which old pal, Pat? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:03:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Re: Which old pal, Pat? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:57:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Got it-nt -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:12:34 (EST)

Joe -:- Has anyone seen this???? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:55:51 (EST)
__ Mike Finch -:- Re: Has anyone seen this? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:08:26 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Okay, fair enough, but... -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:38:42 (EST)
__ __ __ Nick -:- Joan Apter's take on the early days -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 16:08:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Nick -:- Re: Joan Apter's take on the early days -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 16:10:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: Joan Apter's take on the early days -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:17:49 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- Let's buy it! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:40:12 (EST)

Francesca -:- Unaware of problem: READ BEFORE YOU POST -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:33:06 (EST)
__ cq -:- any solution to this one, Francesca?? -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:28:00 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Outsmarting the post eater -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:18:13 (EST)
__ __ Francesca -:- Brilliant! That'll work! (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:19:03 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Good Idea, Vicki... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:23:23 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- Re: Unaware of problem: READ BEFORE YOU POST -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:12:04 (EST)
__ __ wolfie -:- test....I don't like computers -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:00:48 (EST)
__ __ __ cq -:- Just another test ... -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 12:57:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Just one more... -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 13:00:56 (EST)

Pat :C)onlon -:- DO NOTB GIVE OUT PASSWORD TO ANYONE -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:52:40 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- I love when you talk like that :) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:45:45 (EST)

Timmi -:- out of curiosity.... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:40:33 (EST)
__ timmi -:- Re: out of curiosity.... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:42:16 (EST)
__ __ Timmi -:- Re: out of curiosity....trying again -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:49:34 (EST)
__ __ __ RichMandrake -:- Re: out of RichMandrakeuriosity....trying again -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:46:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ RichMandrake -:- This is a test -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:59:52 (EST)
__ __ __ Vicki -:- Re: out of curiosity....trying again -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:57:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- If they actually listened to what he says -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:05:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- sorry 'bout this - -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:07:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- final attempt -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:08:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- let's see if this works -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:16:36 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- It did! (nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:18:19 (EST)

cq -:- Looks like nonsense-sounds like nonsense -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:22:59 (EST)
__ cq -:- Re: Looks like nonsense-TAKE 2 -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:24:40 (EST)
__ __ cq -:- You're right Gerry, new BB host needed(nt) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:26:21 (EST)

Gerry -:- looking 4 new BB software and server -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:21:21 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- GERRY HAVE YOU TALKED TO HOTBOARDS? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:43:01 (EST)
__ __ Francesca -:- THIS MAY BE A HACK! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:36:33 (EST)
__ __ Timmi -:- Re: GERRY HAVE YOU TALKED TO HOTBOARDS? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:51:36 (EST)
__ Joe -:- The telephone is superior technology... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:28:54 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- Re: The telephone is superior technology... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:26:16 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- I wouldn't put it past him...(nt) -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:42:06 (EST)

RichMandrake -:- Ok Gerry..... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:59:32 (EST)
__ all -:- A Nostalgic Interlude -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:04:32 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- Re: A Nostalgic Interlude -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:34:04 (EST)
__ __ Francesca -:- It's not the password -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:48:48 (EST)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- NEW SOLUTION -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:57:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Good suggestion, that's what I'm doing -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:32:47 (EST)
__ Disculta -:- Re: About the SD Program..First an apology.. -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:01:47 (EST)
__ __ Test -:- -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:41:02 (EST)

JHB -:- *** Virus Attack - Not a Hoax *** -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:42:32 (EST)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Yeah, it's premies fer sure -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:28:39 (EST)
__ Francesca -:- NOT A HOAX! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:58:17 (EST)
__ __ Richard -:- Blank email from Gerry -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:16:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Brian S -:- Me too NT -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:26:43 (EST)
__ __ __ such -:- ditto -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:44:36 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- I also got that -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:12:33 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- did a premie sent me the virus -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:11:35 (EST)
__ __ __ Selene -:- Re: did a premie sent me the virus -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:53:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- But the horse is out of the barn! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:17:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Re: But the horse is out of the barn! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:38:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Email virus attachments -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:05:59 (EST)
__ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Gerry, just got this email from you -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:37:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Francesca -:- ANY version of Outlook is a problem -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:27:36 (EST)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Timing suspicious -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:25:08 (EST)
__ __ Selene -:- same here -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:55:28 (EST)
__ JHB -:- The Microsoft IE Update Link -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:24 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- The link facility doesn't work anymore! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:57:03 (EST)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I've also been under attack -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:36:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Wow, J-M That's Amazing -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:57:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I'm expecting more sophisticated -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:54:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- JM-Can't you report them -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:50:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Not for the moment -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:30:59 (EST)


Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:27:14 (EST)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: oops! here it is.
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:28:03 (EST)
From: ummm?
Email: None
To: Barry
Subject: Re: oops! here it is.
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:28:56 (EST)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: ummm?
Subject: Hey! what gives?(nt)
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 15:19:49 (EST)
From: Testing
Email: None
To: Barry
Subject: Hey! what gives?(nt) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:25:25 (EST)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: a lovely toon for the F7 gang!
Message:
Rent the movie!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:45:36 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Proposed Historical Intro to Forum VII
Message:
In the BEGinning, the Victorian James of Heller was alone, crying out in the wildnerness of the Land of the Web, seeking to expose the Guru Maharaj Ji for the fraudulent flatulent he is. Yea, in the BEGinninng, the word was with Jim and the word was Jim.

Then, after the seven days, there appeared Scott Perry of the Lands of Citrus, and Scott and the Victorian James were in Pergatory with Ex-Premie.org and Forum I in the year of the earlier Perfect Master Jesus of Nazareth 1997. And with them was their disciple David Sterling. Together they fought with the satan Mili and the venerable but demented OP. And behold, there was the new ex-premie Deena, followed by Selene, Anth and others, including the later flight of the Byronshires, entering the Kingdom Without Feet Fetishes. And then came Rick, Joe, Patrick of Anon, Sr. Nigel of Beatletown, the Great Defender Marianne, Saints Katie and Brian and it was good.

More souls were saved and entered into the Kingdom without Foot festish and from overpriced, Visions trinkets. And lo and behold, one day St. Michael of Dettmers was sore revolted by the smiting of Susan, mother of G, after she gave witness to the depravities of the evil Jagdeo. St. Michael then shed holy light from the land of the x-rated, on the Lord's greed and avarice, both chemical and sexual, and the flow into the Kingdom became a river.

The Lard of the Cultists tried vainly to keep his minions off the Internet through many gospels condemning and ridiculing the land of the Web, and directing his armies of lawyers from the clan of Milbank to vanquish the evil EPO. But, alas he failed, and seeing his failure he pulled from his array of revisionist flip-flops and had his cultists fight back with armies of websites, most dying cruel and unspeakable deaths in the land of looking ridiculous in defense of that which is not defensible. He then conspired with his disciples to attack with two plagues of CACisms, but they also could not stem the tide (apoligies for the unholy metaphors from the tribe of mixed).

And lo, the Kingdom's Forum was open to all, unlike the lands of the cultists, which engaged in the most vile forms of the evil censorships, as revealed by the Trojan Horse of Sir Nigel of Beatletown, but the cultists having lost the battles of the CAC, retreated into the lands of the Catweaselists and the Roupellites for the purpose of sowing confusion and postal clutter in the Kingdom without foot fetishes.

Thus came the decree from the celestial Forum Administrator and passwords were freely given to all, ending the plague of the locusts such as the Catweaselists and Roupellites, and all was well. But, alas, there appeared a darkening omen of attacks from the evils of the viral and from low quality canned mystery meats known as spams, and thus the Kingdom without Foot Fetishes must be forever vigilant from the attacks of the cultists. But all is well, lest ye forget the divine sacrament of edit, copy and paste. Yea, all is well unto the Kingdom Without Foot Fetishes, for now.

And it was good.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 18:08:28 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: EPO Site History Updated
Message:
Not exactly Joe's version, but Jim Heller's name is in bold:-) (just like the rest of the page)

John.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:02:46 (EST)
From: Patrick Wilson
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Proposed Historical Intro to Forum VII
Message:
I just looked at some early print-outs I did..... I have prints of discussions we had on the newsgroup 'alt.support.ex-cult' which go back to early 1996 .

It seems that Jim, Michael Turner, David Sterling, Unlimited (Katie), Danette Michaels, Rick Wallace, Mili, Jason?, Scott Perry, Bobby and myself were all going for it back then! (I did actually use my name back then for a while but then lost bottle and became 'Anon'). I think Scott Talkington was involved then too.

We transferred to Scott Perry's forum at some point didn't we? - his website at Miracle Vision was aptly entitled "Ex-Premies Connect, reflect, and generally Wonder...What the Heck Hit them?" .

Throughout 1997 the forum saw the likes of Deena, JW, Bill Cooper, OP, Brian, Matt C, Dave P, Kuokoa beating it out along with all the others.
Quite a few other names crop up like 'Gunther Glokenspiel' -remember her? Gunthers Mom revealed on may 10th 1997 -"I was 15 myself and a 14 year old friend were fondled by Jagdeo".
The forums then resident premie 'Mili' seems to have quickly branded it a malicious rumour but soon had to revise his opinion as the evidence mounted.

It's interesting to read through these old posts. Thanks Joe for inspiring me to do so. You certainly were a very prolific poster yourself back then - I think we all felt very strongly and the fact that there were so few of us who 'dared' to talk about it made it rather thrilling as well as healing. I think my 'getting it all out' peaked in 1997 judging by my passionate posts from that time!

I will never forget Katie - 'Unlimited's' response to Jim's early call for people to discuss their experiences with Maharaji on the alt.support.ex-cult newsgroup. What she said seemed to perfectly sum up all our frustrations and feelings.

on 19/2/96 she responded to him:

"Yes, I'd like to talk about it. I tried to talk about it on the "Premies" noticeboard on aol and they actually had my posts removed by the aol authorities and sent me hate mail.
I was with Guru Maharaji for 12 years from 1971. I escaped in 1983/4 and have since worked as a therapist and done a lot of study of cults and leaders to heal myself and others. It's one of the subtler cons out there in my opinion. I have a lot more to say about it, but would like to hear some of your experiences to get me going. I have a friend who lived with him for years who has direct experiences of his abusiveness that would make your hair curl. My experience was more indirect, but not totally so, as I was "employed" by his organisation for years. My purpose in wanting to talk about it is that it seems to be one of the most obfuscated cults, coated in sugary sweetness still, yet a lot of people I know of have suffered terribly and have no way of really getting validated."

It has to be important to keep this open forum going. I wish that the forum remained as it was for 6 years - with no password required. We have suffered the storms of spamming and premie posters for that long and they have come and duly gone. I appreciate that it's a lot of work for the FA's to deal with this type of stuff, so I guess that regulation of this kind maybe has to be the only wayforward at this time. We should not allow the terrorists to win though (metaphorically speaking).

Certainly one can see from the early posts that there was a really urgent need for former premies to talk and that the forum grew out of a response to that real need. It's gathered considerable momentum since then and has spawned some other 'underground' discussion groups like the more private 'recent-exe's' forum. This need to share will continue to manifest as online discussions despite the objections of premies. That some call it a 'Hate Group' shows that they themselves are intolerant of, and insensitive to, the feelings of others. The forums discussions represent the healthy bursting out of those human spirits that were effectively suppressed and diseased within Maharaji's Premie World.

Thanks to all concerned for keeping these old discussions archived.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:24:57 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: How come my name's not in bold?
Message:
Joe, this (like everything) is all about me, so why not make my name a bit bigger or something? And don't forget Katie Unlimited who was also right there at the big bang. (Well, not really a big bang. I mean, we haven't even met. Besides ....)
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:44:43 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Isn't Unlimited also Disculta?/Nostalgia?????
Message:
I think they may be the same person. Disculta, can you confirm?

Just to get the dates right. Didn't the first Forum begin in March, 1997?

I was told about the website from my friend Joy, who was told about it from, guess who, our own Postie/Richard, who was at that time a premie. I think that was around April or May of 1997.

1997, before dumbo Bush, back when Clinton was still President, before we ever heard of Monica Lewinsky, in the middle of the longest period of economic expansion in history, the dot.com boom, and before we were all fearing terrorism either from Ossma or the CAC-cultists. We were so young then.....Will we ever be that young again?

So much has happened. Somebody should write a book.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:23:54 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Yeah, rub it in Joe
Message:
Yes, back then I was the lurker par excellence. As a matter of fact, I founded the Church of Latter Day Lurkers. That has since become the Thinking Premies Fence Sitters Society of which there are now many, many members worldwide.

1997. I remember it well. M could throw a birthday bash and fill the Long Beach arena with 8,000 international followers.

What I was then wasn't exactly a premie. More like a bemused nostalgic eclectic. The vibes were nice and it was great to see old friends once a year. I just couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance between what I knew and what I saw around me. Between who M said he was (Humanist Teacher) and what was evident (photo gallery, instrumental arti and slo-mo devotional porno videos all demanding worship).

I had forgotten that I told Joy about Forum One or Two was it? It was probably like, "Can you believe these whiners? They actually took it literally all these years instead of the Cosmic Joke I always knew it was." Well the joke was on me. I wasn't really a devotee but had not made a clear break with M. That happened for sure the first time I posted with my real name this year. And my palms sweated for two days until I realized the truth shall set me free.

Richard who was Postie but now I'm Richard

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:26:18 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: It was a compliment
Message:
How did you first hear about EPO?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 21:10:02 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: It was a compliment
Message:
Thanks. As far as how I first heard of the EPO site or forum, it came to me in a dream. I was walking down the beach and Bob and Eileen Mishler were coming towards me. We said hi and then I noticed their t-shirts said 'www.ex-premie.org'. Or maybe someone sent me the address. Just pick whichever story you think would fit best in the History of EPO.

Richard, making it up cause it's the way I learned from the Master

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:13:54 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Cute post, Richard
Message:
Yes, back then I was the lurker par excellence. As a matter of fact, I founded the Church of Latter Day Lurkers. That has since become the Thinking Premies Fence Sitters Society of which there are now many, many members worldwide.

1997. I remember it well. M could throw a birthday bash and fill the Long Beach arena with 8,000 international followers.

What I was then wasn't exactly a premie. More like a bemused nostalgic eclectic. The vibes were nice and it was great to see old friends once a year. I just couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance between what I knew and what I saw around me. Between who M said he was (Humanist Teacher) and what was evident (photo gallery, instrumental arti and slo-mo devotional porno videos all demanding worship).

I had forgotten that I told Joy about Forum One or Two was it? It was probably like,
Okay, so that's not as macho as BOF but I bet some of the LDL or TPFS Society members get a tickle out of this post.

Hope you're doing well these days.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:16:39 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Hey Richard, Our posts merged
Message:
I didn't request your post be attached. And, some of your post was cut off to make room for mine. My post begins with OKAY.

weird, eh?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:53:40 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Re: Hey Richard, Our posts merged
Message:
It's like, just so completely and totally cosmic that our posts merged. Maybe it's the grace of whomever or whatever telling us we're soul mates, Deb. You know when you have that sort of a kind of a feeling in that deepest heart of hearts that, like man, God is really talking to you? Well, maybe it's like that. On the other hand, it could be the forum software has gone whacko. Part of me believes one thing and part of me believes the other. And the party of the first part partied with the party of the second part . . .

Richard the happily married and just kidding around talking all pseudospiritual

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:39:36 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: L.O.L. Enjoyed your satire
Message:
but remember when we really used to talk that way. OMIGAWD.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:55:02 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Unlimited/Disculta and Nostalgia
Message:
Yes, I think we're the same person, and I still like myself despite having grown so fabulously darling...)

It WAS incredible to find someone (or two or three) out there to talk to about this fascinating subject, even though I had been out for years already, like Jim. I had posted on a premie board, and I had told my actual experience of leaving, including knowledge of MJ's drinking - way back then, at least a century ago. They deleted my post. I guess they thought I was a troll or something.

love Katie Darling 110 pounds 5'7

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:51:30 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: I also posted on a premie board
Message:
I asked where I could get a copy of the book "Who is Guru Maharaj Ji" I got a couple of emails from people, and I ended up getting a copy on EBay for a buck.

I think I showed up on the Forum about a month after it started, and I remember when David Coyne and Booth Dyess were calling up people telling them that Maharaji didn't want knowledge discussed on the Internet. The Premie board disapeared shortly after that.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:18:29 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: To be clear ........
Message:
... that premie board was Harlan Ray Coolie's which only followed our open discussions. In fact, as soon as premies started talking there and saying anything more than hi to each other, two things happened. One, Mili, the new age thug who threatened to smash up David Stirling if he ever met him in person, who tried to cancel our short-lived newsgroup forum with a fake petition, joined Harlan in hosting their forum. As soon as premies began questioning each other over whether or not M was the Lord, he told them to shut up, that the forum wasn't a place for discussions like that. The other thing that happened is that Maharaji had people like David Coyne to contact anyone and everyone who was posting about him on the internet to stop. This was when His [ :) ] strategy was to stick his head in the sand vis-a-vis the net and his online critics. Ever the grand ostrich, er, lion, Maharaji was.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:52:15 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Yes
Message:
Sure she is. She was really quite neat to talk with back when it was only us (not to say she isn't every bit as neat now, only more so, on account of all that personal growth she keeps doing). :)

The coolest part of those first days was the sense that any day now some Fakiranand-type could show up at my door. Naturally, I was ready for that. :)

No, really, the best part was hearing myself and others utter disrespectful jokes and serious criticisms of my former Lord and Master. Now THAT really was something!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:54:28 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah
Message:
I remember how scared I was to post the first time. I had to examine why that was. It was my first indication that there was still cult-programming in my head and it pissed me off.

Right, the way to deal with that was to make fun of Maharaji. Another way is to reveal the techniques. Once you get rid of those boogymen, the sky is the limit.

I think the thing that really set me free was making fun of the inane way M speaks. I think there was a parody of a video I watched. That was such fun and very freeing.

Thanks to Sir Dave and Drek for those funny, funny pictures and satires about Maharaji. They really are freeing too.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:07:53 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Yeah, I am glad I pushed submit button
Message:
I remember well the same feeling of trepidation you described before first posting. Only I wasn't pissed about it, I just wasn't sure of the reasons why I felt this apprehension. It didn't occur to me then that I had residual cult programing going until later, because I initially came out as a premie apologist.

I recall sitting in front of the computer for a long time after I had composed my first post, trembling with eyes closed as I mustered up the courage to press the submit button. Then wham, In one swift motion I jabbed at the button and made my entry into the world of inquiry surrounding the issue that has permeated my life for 3 decades.

I had to buck some heads here for a while, it wasn't exactly easy, but I promised myself that I would give a serious open minded look at what was being presented here and weigh the facts objectively.

It did not take long to figure out that the story just did not add up, and I began to reclaim my heart, mind and freedom from the Bogey Yogi and the Mindbenders.

Today I had lunch with my elderly Mother and my Son and I admitted to them that I had been in a cult for most of my life. They have actually seen me lighten up over the last year so they weren't completely surprised by my candor, more like delighted and amused with my openness and honesty.

I felt so clear and free in that moment .....

I am so glad that I pressed that button

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:04:09 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Brian Smith
Subject: The Submit Button-Forum Fear
Message:
Brian -- I agree with much of what you've said. I also want to tell you that your recent posts have been great.

When I found the forum -- courtesy of the same brother who brought me to DLM -- I was astounded by the information on EPO. This was early 1999, and I had been out of the cult since 1976. My first reaction to drek's site and the comics about M was shock. Even though I had rejected M and DLM so many years earlier, I was still conditioned enough to react negatively to anything anti-M. It was heresy. I could not believe that I responded in that manner. My own reaction made me realize how hard it must be for those who had remained involved to sort out their feelings about M and the cult. It was hard even then for me to express my true feelings about M and my experiences because of the brain washing I experienced. I guess what got me over it was the boob picture on drek's site. It hasn't surfaced for a while. Where is it, eDrek?

Anyway, I was afraid to post too. People were kind to me. I got baptised by fire soon enough, but the community here, though testy and difficult at times, is genuine and loyal. The risk one takes by posting will be repaid in valuable new friendships.

Marianne

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:29:30 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Beautifully said, Marianne - NT
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:22:49 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: I agree--spot on Marianne [NT]
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:40:29 (EST)
From: A little smiley face with wings
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: either side Jim's name
Message:
should do the trick.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:12:55 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Very funny synopsis Joe, but..
Message:
...it should read to be cont'd... at the end.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:35:40 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: American Classics on History Channel(OT)
Message:
I just wanted to let folks know that a series on the History Channel called ''American Classics'' started last night.

It's pretty interesting and funny, too. It goes through all of the American icons from the portrait of George Washington to Rosie the Riveter and many, many more...

No response needed...here's the link:

http://www.historychannel.com/americanclassics/

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:37:47 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Sorry... watching Ab Fab
Message:
Thanks Cynthia, but I'm too busy watching "Absolutely Fabulous" on the Comedy Channel. It's on Mondays at 9:00 PM. I laughed so hard last time that I had tears running down my face. Those Brits can be SO FUNNY!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:49:21 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Sorry... watching Ab Fab
Message:
Thanks Cynthia, but I'm too busy watching
I absolutely forgot it was on....it is hilarious!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:50:51 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Sorry... watching Ab Fab
Message:
Me too. I have become re-hooked by Ab Fab. I thought I would never go back. I loved that line last week where Edita's seducer says,
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:12:38 (EST)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Me too . . . Adore Patsy
Message:
Yeah, have discovered Ab Fab (Absolutely Fabulous for the uninitiated) and adore it also. They are all three brilliant characterizations. Have only seen a few of the more recent series, sorry I missed the original runs of it. The one where they were both dressed up as punk rock chicks was the best. Patsy is my favorite, the way she calls everybody
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 12:24:32 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Hi Joy, I adore Patsy too (OT)
Message:
Glad to see you got the password and are on board.

Monday night, they had 3 episodes on. Actually, one of them I had seen before and two appeared to be new. Yes, Patsy is great. I loved the look on her face when the daughter performed a breast exam on her. Also love the spacy women who works as the secretary.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 15:34:16 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Picture of AB FAB gals (OT)
Message:
When I had cable, I watched that show as often as I could.

Here's a picture of our favourite and fantasticly fun middle-age delinquents.

BTW, did you know that the show Cybil is an American version of AB FAB. Rosanna Barr is the executive director, I believe.

Bottoms Up, sic Be a darrrling, and pass me the champagne
[ The the Absolutely Fabulous gals ]

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 13:32:44 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Spacy secretary
Message:
Did you see her in the movie ""Little Voice?"" She is a brilliant comedian.

I named my first dog Saffron after the daughter because she is so serious and always looking out for her mom. I just love the role reversal where Saffron has to throw her mom's dope in the toilet before she let's her go out for the night.

But Patsy rules. Maybe one day I'll have the guts to do Halloween with the other hundreds of Patsys.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:40:35 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: But...but...but...
Message:
I thought YOU are PatC. Patsy. I adore you too.!

O I'm feeling really good these days...

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:58:32 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Yes, forum's a treat without cultweasels
Message:
Every day I opened the forum with trepidation fearing what horrible hateful things SC or CW would post.

Unfortunately I'm too fat for Patsy and love food unlike her who has not eaten since 1973 and lives on booze, cocaine and cigarets.

Glad to hear you're feeling absolutely fabulous.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:44:17 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Question about a TV show in the US (OT)
Message:
I don't have cable or anything here in Panama, but we get some US shows six to nine months after they have been on in the States. I just learned that Lex van den Burghe, who was the drummer in two of my bands ages ago is on this Survivor show in Africa. Have any of you seen it? Has he been bounced yet? It won't appear here for quite a while.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:32:19 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: This from CHR. Where is he now?
Message:
I thought I would repost this from CHR. It is a great commentary on the current revisionsim of Maharaji's website.

The most ridiculous statement [on Maharaji's website] is that M never wanted to be a messianic figure - it was the poor, deluded devotees who, looking for such a figure, projected this onto him. I was at most programs around the world between 1977 and 1981. In just these 5 years M spoke extensively about himself as the living master, the lord etc. Was it Holi in Miami in 79 that he told us to pray to him? Of course at this stage he always referred to himself in the 3rd person. Does anybody have the transcript of Philadelphia in 78, final night? He said that GMJ knows all-that trying to hide anything from him is like thinking you're in a forest, but you're really on a giants head and you go to light a fire, thinking that you've escaped the giant. If this isn't messianic I don't know what is.

For 12 years, from the Peace Bomb in 1970 through to ashram satsangs I attended in the early 80s, M proclaimed himself as THE master, the one we should devote ourselves to etc. At the ashram satsang at Kissimee in 79 he told us to give ALL our love to him, every aspect of it. He stated quite clearly that married couples didn't have this opportunity as some of their love went to their partners.

As for his money situation, well maybe now because of legal ramifications and recent accountability laws, things have changed. However his so called 'success' came from soliciting donations over a 20 year period. I know people who gave their whole inheritances to M, who bought him cars, motor homes. In most communities in the US there were premies who had the service of calling up people in the community to encourage them to donate funds to M. This was separate from AMP or whatever was happening at the time with money for DLM. It was money to go directly to M to support his lifestyle. If my memory serves me right, we were given a post office address to send it to.

And what about the darshan lines? We were encouraged very strongly to give cash. I know that the times I was involved in darshan room security, M received enough money EACH darshan line to buy at least one expensive luxury car- at the big festivals, much more.

How many programs were there in a year? 6 to 7 on average, sometimes more. Apart from that, there were large warehouses in Miami filled with the gifts he had been given. And of course the planes..apart from the whole 707 saga, all through the 80s and early 90s we received mailings asking for donations, often quite urgently, for M's plane projects-whether it was to buy a learjet or refit a new plane. Do you remember the video of him sharing a champagne toast in front of his new plane that we had all just bought for him? As for the plane being leased, I assume that its not in his name for legal and tax reasons-most of the residences, for example, were in the names of consortiums of premies. You can bet, though that when they were sold, M got the money.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:58:56 (EST)
From: CHR
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: This from CHR. Where is he now?
Message:
Hi Joe
I still have a look here every now and then. I don't seem to think much about Maharaji these days. I can't believe people are still following him after everything that's come out.
I may post some thoughts soon, perhaps on the weekend if I have time.
Cheers
Chris
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:32:00 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: CHR
Subject: Thanks Chris
Message:
I always enjoy your posts. Hope all is well.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:41:23 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Not just mailings Joe
Message:
The request, the urgency for money, especially during the time period you mentioned was mostly delivered by initiators, via satsang during that time period. I lived in the Washington, DC area and there was always some 'high soul' coming through. Frankly, I don't know how the ashram premies were able to weather it. A few that come to mind during the heavy devotional period are:
Grace Wallace
Randy Proudy
David Smith
The guy who was M's cook; name?
Ira Woods
I don't remember getting any mailings at our premie house during this period. We were all as poor as orphans on the street, so maybe that's why; not worth the postage. But I do remember many pleas for money from the above named people and others who blew thru DC. Always,the message was, 'Whatever funds you have, give it.' Oh, don't you know, Maharaji needs to buy greater capacity fuel tanks for his plane. Maharaji has to have $600,000 to buy additional land around his 'residence.' Otherwise he's going to move away! See, the law is if you fly a helicopter from your property you have to have a certain distance from other homes and........ someone wants to build homes near his house! M was already sitting on 6 acres at that point, but oh no, not houses near him, and shock of all shock he would not be able to fly his chopter. 'Don't you premies remember how much Hansi loves helicopters?'
Another one was, 'Maharaji needs to modify his brand new plane. He needs new engines and he has already purchased them and if we don't have (it was some ungodly sum of money) the funds by next week M won't get to take delivery.' Shit, some of the shit that went down. Premies would actually sell their children if they thought they could get a price. It was disgusting! Especially when you consider all the money that was already coming in thru the many, many, programs M was doing during this period. All those those darshan lines? The donations?
I would say, c'est la vive, but, the children who did without and suffered during this period is deplorable! Meanwhile his children, if I recall correctly and I do remember, were dressed in velvet, had all the toys one could imagine, and had dentistry and medical care!
I still remember Oceana, a three year old, crying for her single mother, while Mary was meditating because it was commanded from M.; Durga Ji was in labor with Dayalata. That's only a start from what I remember of what the premies children endured because their parent(s) were in a cult. Maharaji never cared. Never really cared about the children much less the premies. This was just about the time that children were no longer accepted at his many, many programs. The reason there was so many children, by premies, was because the premies were imitating him. Shoot, M was having children by his wife almost as fast as rabbbits at this point!
Much shame on Maharaji but this, in my book, is the most reprehensible. How could he?
I want to know is how does this fraud get up in the mornig, take stock of himself and look in the mirror?

Just my recollections and some history. Not necessarily for the newly instructed but a bit of history is important I think. Especially when examing what Knowledge and the Master is all about. Eh?

Fondly, Tonette

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:50:51 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Rawat has amnesia . Tonette
Message:
He thinks he made his money inventing watches and has forgotten how mercilessly he milked us. I gave more money to him than I did to my own son at that time. My teeth have never been the same from the neglect and well..... :(

Yes we were dumb youmgsters but I can't recall any kind mahatma saying: ""Are you sure you can afford that much? You really need to keep some for yourself and your family.""

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:19:25 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Patience is a Virtue...
Message:
Hello all,

I just wanted to say that even though there are glitches due to the password thing, I do appreciate it, even if it turns out to be a temporary thing.

FYI, yesterday when I posted, (after using the password) my little icon that shows I'm online started to go black then back to the regular icon.

So I went offline immediately and did a virus scan. I even received an email from Gerry which did not infect my machine--and I use Outlook Express.

I really appreciate the peacefulness here without certain cultweasals who used this forum to abuse and argue and make no sense. Whether this new system works or not is to be seen. For now, I like it.

Regarding hackers, viruses, etc., well, back up your systems!

In the meantime, I am in a divine state of gratitude to Gerry and Pat for keeping things under control with the BB glitches.

Until things are ironed out...let's just be patient.

Best,
Cynthia

P.S. The two cultweasals are furious about this, I took a peek at LG and AG. I don't believe this is censorship. I think having a password protected site is a good thing.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:56:58 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: A PW is not censorship
Message:
Most specialized net forums (such as orchids, history, opera etc - even my friend's motor-bike forum) have what is known as ""posting privileges."" You have to apply to the FA before you can post.

The forums are open to reading but most forums have had troll and spam attacks and have instituted posting privilege passwords.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:40:24 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: You are right about passwords
Message:
A forum my husband uses went to passwords about 6 months ago when the FA got sick and tired of the disruptions. The thing would just not self-govern. Who needs it!

The trolls can start their own Forum. They don't belong here, but they won't leave. They are not unique. I think every Forum attracts a few wierdos.

--f

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:17:56 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: the parallels between CAC and bin Laden
Message:
this person is an old nemesis that I know all too well. We've been dealing with this character for years now. The taunts, tactics and the "feel" are very familiar. It's hard to believe that this person, this troll, has so much time, energy, and anger to devout to harassing us because we dare speak out about what we believe are the problems with Maharaji, namely that he is a fraud.

And the viciousness of the attacks now escalates to sending email viruses and massive spamming of the Forum. Seems to be so much like bin Laden and his Jihad against the West. I guess when you've got God on your side anything is fair game. Yeah, except that this fanatical effort is really only backfiring because I would suspect that most reasonable premies would be appalled by this destructive dirty deeds behavior. And any aspirant or member of the general public must surely wonder about the efficacy of Maharaji and his followers.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:27:46 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Terrorism always backfires
Message:
Yes, I agree completely. One of the cacroach cultweasels is now issuing veiled threats on Life is Great.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:43:00 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: PS I have contacted Hotboards...
Message:
...just in case Gerry is currently unable to use his computer because of the virus.

I explained the glitches happening on the forum and asked if it is possible that it has been hacked by the cultists.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:07:19 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Did you contact my friend
Message:
Sorry deb, this post of yours was too strongly worded and could have been misconstrued as a threat.

We have to avoid even the appearance of impropriety right now. Thanks for your understanding.

Gerry

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:09:46 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Miami event Dec 7th and 8th
Message:
A ""Celebration of Life"" at convention center. Really a celebration of Maoharaji's birthday.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:55:58 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: We owe it to ourselves...........
Message:
A
So, who here is going to go? I might if I had a room mate at the Dorchester Hotel. Anyone game?
What is the registration fee? Probably $100 or more. Maharaji and his endless troll for money, attention and justification. So very sad really.
I'm serious. Anyone want to go with me?

Fondly, Tonette

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:19:16 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: You'll need a Smartcard, Tonette
Message:
You can't just walk into a cult gathering anymore. You need cult ID and have to walk a gauntlet of security people to get in.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:36:07 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Yes I can
Message:
I still get phone tree messages. The program in Philadelphia did not require a smartcard. Hey, if I throw money, they'll let me in. Besides, I imagine one can pre register for the event in Miami. Right?

There are some funky things going on with this forum. How bad are the viruses? Is it fixable? Can hotboards help?
I would hate to see the forum down for any reason. But if that happens mark my words, we'll be back.
Keep the faith Pat. Want to go to Miami? You'll need a disguise of course. And for pete's sake, if we get to have darshan for the first time on American soil since I don't know when, no biting or spitting!

Good luck witht the forum, you have your hands full.

Love, Tonette

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:00:51 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Software glitches probably
Message:
Hopefully Hotboards will look into it. Actually, I don't have my hands full anymore and can now enjoy some leisurely cacweasel-free browsing of the forum and even get to bed on time which I am doing soon.

No thanks I really don't want to see Rev Rawat one more time on my life.

Remember to highlight and copy your post before submitting it. that way you can use the edit feature to repaste it.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:16:29 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Get me the barf bag...
Message:
A

I've attended way too many of those birthday parties....

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:20:05 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Extra letter
Message:
My post, and Cynthia's post have a letter "A" by itself in the first line. This further strange behaviour on this forum suggests hacking to me.

John.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:16:16 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: More evidence for the death of EV
Message:
Registration and travel info will be at www.conference.com/celebrate. www.conference.com markets on-line conferencing software. Is it a premie company? Also, this is more evidence of the death of EV as the official EV site has no info on this or other recent events.

John

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:24:27 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: That's the company that arranges the events
Message:
They collect the loot from the local community resources teams and then collect the registration fees.

One of the local PWKs (your old pal, Marianne) is now doing service for them as he has had his own business doing events for many years.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:32:58 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Re: That's the company that arranges the events
Message:
Who was it that the "suggested donations" for the Thousand Oaks event go to? It was discussed on the forum.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:03:14 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Which old pal, Pat?
Message:
Rick or Bill? Could you give me a ring, Pat? Now is fine.

Thanks, Marianne

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:57:56 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Which old pal, Pat?
Message:
Sorry I missed you. Just got back from errands. Think Buena Vista/BM.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:12:34 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Got it-nt
Message:
xxxxx
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:55:51 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Has anyone seen this????
Message:
In addition to a poster of a painting of a flower that supposedly Maharaji painted HIMSELF, on sale for outragous amounts, Visions is also pushing this video, which is 68 minutes long and costs 20 bucks:

Passages -- A Masters Journey

A historical documentary of Maharaji's endeavor over the last 3 decades to make Knowledge available throughout the world.

The year was 1971, a time of great social upheaval in the world... So begins this unique video depicting the remarkable story of a young Master's journey to make his teachings available throughout the world. Through the eyes of 14 people who have been inspired by the teachings of Maharaji, this story unfods in a fascinating and intimate manner.

I would LOVE to see this, as I'm sure it is heavily edited and revisionist. It would also be funny to see who the 14 are. Let's see, do you think Mitch Ditkoff and perhaps Joan Apter, who work in the same company are in it? Who else is left from that period? Glenn Whittaker...

I long to see how fascinating and intimate it really is.

Anyhow, I don't want to give Visions even 20 bucks, so if somebody knows about this, or how I could see it, that would be great.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:08:26 (EST)
From: Mike Finch
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this?
Message:
It sounds like the video that was premiered at the Nottingham event, which I did see, or at least a remake of that video.

The people I remember in it are: Glen Whittaker, Sandy Collier, Ron Geaves, Padarthanand, Charnanand, Peter Lee, Belkis Shah, Bobby and Banu Hendry (I think), Joan Apter and a number of others I forget.

There were a few people who were very involved at that time (1971) who were not consulted or included, and who would be necessary IMO to give a full account of that period.

There were no gross inaccuracies that I recall, but a fair number of omissions. And when I heard those above recounting incidents at which I was present, my memory of the same incident was often quite different. However, that does not mean that they were wrong and I was right, since different witnesses of the same event 30 years later would be expected to differ considerably, I suspect.

I felt the whole video had been edited to give a politically correct slant to that period, although I think your accusation of revisionist is a little strong. Perhaps I was just jealous that I was not asked to contribute, when I played a fairly central role at that time (including getting M to the US, as he in fact mentioned later in the Nottingham event himself !!)

-- Mike

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:38:42 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Mike Finch
Subject: Okay, fair enough, but...
Message:
What did they have to say about the period 1973 to 1983? Also, revisionism is quite often accomplished by merely omitting things. Omission is often the stuff of lies.

If you read Glenn's account of "The History of the Organizations" that was on the EV website before it shrank, it is revisionist in the extreme, accomplished mostly by omitting things, like the period 1972-1985.

I would like to see the video, however, and I would even consider buying it, but I am loathe to give Visions my credit card number.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 16:08:40 (EST)
From: Nick
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joan Apter's take on the early days
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 16:10:52 (EST)
From: Nick
Email: None
To: Nick
Subject: Re: Joan Apter's take on the early days
Message:
I haven't seen the video in question. It would be interesting to see how the early days were represented, especially perceptions of maharaji.

In my collection of 70's and 80's memorabilia, I have a book printed in 1971 in India, entitled 'Report of the World Peace Tour' (I think it's a rare X-rated collector's piece). It has 2 main components - p/copies of newspaper reports of m's arrival in the west and a series of letters, half in Hindi and half in English, by various DLM 'celebs'.

Take Joan Apter, for example, in a letter to Bal Bhagwan Ji:

- '...I can only weep and feel totally submitted to the Divine Will, the all-encompassing plan of the Supreme Lord as made manifest by His present incarnation as Shri Guru Maharaj Ji...I can only submit myself totally to to the perfection of our Lord. I can not grasp anything but my feeling of awe and love and a firm inner voice which whispers over and over again 'Never leave Him, He is the Lord, try to serve him, try to please Him, He is bliss in human form'....it is certain that our Lord is not human. True, He has come in Human body, but I feel that He is the Holy Name, the total power of creation, and in compassion to the human being has put a permanent press shirt overthat power so that we may not be too confused. He is so merciful. Yet, none should remain blinded to His human form. He cannot be seen with these eyes. One day in satsang He said 'I am human, but I cannot be seen'.

Yep, Joan, you said all that and guess what? Our humble teacher not only let it be printed in official DLM journals, but also sent you round the world to spread such shit to gullible idiots like me. I do hope you explained this in the celebratory video.

Excuse my cynicism, but somehow, I bet you didn't.....

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:17:49 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Nick
Subject: Re: Joan Apter's take on the early days
Message:
That is a hoot, Nick. I hope you can get some of it onto EPO. I especially loved Ms Apter's comparison of Rawat to a ''permanent press shirt over that power...''

Of course, his holeyness only wears silk shirts nowadays.

I'm sure glad none of my satsang was put into writing.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:40:12 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mike Finch
Subject: Let's buy it!
Message:
someone buy it. It will be worth it.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:33:06 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Unaware of problem: READ BEFORE YOU POST
Message:
Your posts WILL BE EATEN:

One solution

--f

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:28:00 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: any solution to this one, Francesca??
Message:
Fortunately I can post from this PC during working hours, which for some reason lets me access the "edit message" feature. After work though, I use the 'puters at the University, which has a firewall that doesn't permit the editing.

Any suggestions?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:18:13 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Outsmarting the post eater
Message:
I type one sentence........post it

Then come back to see if it posted and go back in on the edit post to finish. Clunky way but I be not smart enough to go the other route. Never got a Smartcard either!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:19:03 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Brilliant! That'll work! (nt)
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:23:23 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Good Idea, Vicki...
Message:
today, I had no problems, except for the letter ''A'' appearing above one of my posts. It think it's hit or miss, so your idea is good.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:12:04 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: Unaware of problem: READ BEFORE YOU POST
Message:
Yes, I am having to do that with all my posts. Thanks for the instructions.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 11:00:48 (EST)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: test....I don't like computers
Message:
I had terrible day and now I have written a post and I can't find it anymore. I need more sleep.

just a test...........

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 12:57:35 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: wolfie
Subject: Just another test ...
Message:
M's really up-to-the-minute website
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 13:00:56 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Just one more...
Message:
http://www.maharaji.com/updates/images/ny2001.jpg
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:52:40 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: All
Subject: DO NOTB GIVE OUT PASSWORD TO ANYONE
Message:
...until you have verified it with someone else. I am receiving requests for the pw from people purporting to be exes. Only problem is that the email addresses are different from their usual addresses.

I have nearly everyone's reall address so you can always check with me.

The CACroaches are doing service to the Weasel Master MaoHaraji again.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:45:45 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: I love when you talk like that :)
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:40:33 (EST)
From: Timmi
Email: timmi56@yahoo.com
To: All
Subject: out of curiosity....
Message:
I was wondering if rawat has ever said or done anything original. He stole the
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:42:16 (EST)
From: timmi
Email: None
To: Timmi
Subject: Re: out of curiosity....
Message:
where the hell did my post go?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:49:34 (EST)
From: Timmi
Email: timmi56@yahoo.com
To: timmi
Subject: Re: out of curiosity....trying again
Message:
I was wondering if rawat has ever done or said anything original. He stole the “secret” techniques. Did stealing them somehow endow them with magical powers they had not previously possessed? I have never heard a quote from him that was original. If one does any reading or looks through a decent book of quotations, one quickly becomes aware that everything he has ever said is from someone else. I have nothing against quoting others, as long as one credits the source. I have never heard him credit any source. Do the premies actually hear what he says? I don’t think they do. It is my opinion that they block everything from their mind except what they think they want rawat to say. Then they hear that and they think “Maharaji said it.” It then becomes their entire reason for living. No intelligent, thinking, (oops, bad word that), human being could sit and listen to his whiny drivel and not wonder what they were doing wasting their time on him.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:46:40 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Timmi
Subject: Re: out of RichMandrakeuriosity....trying again
Message:
After years of twisting my brain into a pretzel trying to figure out MahaRawat's inconsistencies...I realized that the ONLY reason to listen to him was for the "experience"....thus I tried not to think about what he would say...it would only reinforce the underlieing uneasiness...and I would only remember things that would make me feel good...or reinforce my underlieing belief in his Divinity..
Still the lurking discomfort was there. I projected this as a function of MY lack of devotion...Now I clearly see it as my underlieng perception that McRawat was manipulating and evading as he wove his web of self agrandizement and deceit....Because Maharaji is a fraud. That same feeling of dis-ease is there..with all premies. Thus they need to protect themselves from people who might expose what somewhere deep inside them..they already know.....Just my theory of the Day...
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:59:52 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: This is a test
Message:
system is still glitching up on me..even when using the cut and paste...
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:57:49 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Timmi
Subject: Re: out of curiosity....trying again
Message:
Timmi,
Very astute. How you can see through all this is a wonderment to me!

I had a nice little chat with someone who is still involved with k and M. I realized that the void growing between us was due to one fact, I couldn't reinforce her absolute belief in M or k. I realized how much of the whole thing depends on premies reinforcing each other. It's through the tone of voice, very important, the choice of words, the level of enthusiasm, the gushing devotion. One tiny little step back from all that and it's a different picture altogether. But that one little step is the hardest of all to take.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:05:49 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: If they actually listened to what he says
Message:
If they actually listened to what he says ...

... they'd realise that most of it is complete and utter nonsense. Viz:

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:07:29 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: sorry 'bout this -
Message:
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:08:33 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: final attempt
Message:
http://www.evnewsletter.org/archive/VOL_2/nl_v2_i232d.htm
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:16:36 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: let's see if this works
Message:
" What is important to me? What do I
want? What is my grand total? How
full is my cup? How many blessings
have I accepted in my life? And
indeed, in all honesty, how grateful
am I for every breath that passes
through my body? Should I be
grateful? Of course. Do I need to be
grateful? Of course.

And there is that quote that reminds
me again and again: "Even in your
deepest, darkest hour, I will not
abandon you." Even in my utter
unconsciousness, consciousness does
not leave me.
Even when everything
is pitch dark, the light has not abandoned me. In my
biggest, most severe doubt, clarity is still there. In all
my sadness, joy is not missing."

Edited excerpt, Maharaji in Brighton, 16th June 1997

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:18:19 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: It did! (nt)
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:22:59 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Looks like nonsense-sounds like nonsense
Message:
Maybe M (and his premies) should apply the
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:24:40 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re: Looks like nonsense-TAKE 2
Message:
Maybe M (and his premies) should apply the
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:26:21 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: You're right Gerry, new BB host needed(nt)
Message:
apologies for above 2 posts - can't edit.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:21:21 (EST)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: looking 4 new BB software and server
Message:
Anyone have any suggestions?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:43:01 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: GERRY HAVE YOU TALKED TO HOTBOARDS?
Message:
I would explain what is happening to Hotboards soon just in case they are not aware. The forum could have been hacked as sabotage.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:36:33 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: THIS MAY BE A HACK!
Message:
Don't rule it out. Talk or e-mail Hotboards -- I agree with Pat. Troubleshoot first, or you may go through a lot of trouble setting up a new board only to encounter the same problem, if it is indeed the cutlweasels.

--f

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:51:36 (EST)
From: Timmi
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Re: GERRY HAVE YOU TALKED TO HOTBOARDS?
Message:
Please check it out. My first post above, all but a few words, vanished as soon as I hit post. Seems a bit odd to me. Good idea, the password, btw.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:28:54 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: The telephone is superior technology...
Message:
I read an expert on technology point this out. He should know because he is a very successful investor and watch collector who never in his life claimed be God, not even once.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:26:16 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: The telephone is superior technology...
Message:
Kinda interesting timing,all of this. He's always had too much time on his hands. Maybe he's amusing himself hacking into the forum.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:42:06 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: I wouldn't put it past him...(nt)
Message:
the creep!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:59:32 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Ok Gerry.....
Message:
ok..i think i got it. I will try posting this again when everything is cleared up. thanks for your work, Gerry..its much appreciated.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:04:32 (EST)
From: all
Email: None
To: all
Subject: A Nostalgic Interlude
Message:
This is a Test. If this were a real event. You would be asked if you wanted to make an extra donation..to help defray the "costs" and of course you understand that you are not to tell anyone that the Lord is on the Planet. It might hurt propogation.

NORTH AMERICAN EVENTS

April, May & June 2000
Santa Monica - Miami Beach - Boston - Toronto - Alexandria, VA

Maharaji has accepted invitations to speak at six events in April, May and June 2000, for people who have received the techniques of Knowledge.

These events are designed to be intimate gatherings. You are asked to attend only one event, in the city closest to where you live. Your cooperation will allow each person an opportunity to attend one of these events.

Entry Pass: Because these events are only for people with Knowledge, you will be asked to show an Entry Pass verifying that you have received the techniques. These passes can be obtained at the event venue:
4:00 pm - 8:00 pm on the day before the event, and
beginning at 8:00 am on the event day. Please arrive as close to 8:00 am as you are able.

General Information:
· All of the events will begin at 11:00 am, with a second session in the afternoon.

· You must reserve your seat in advance to attend one of these events. Seats are assigned randomly.
· Fax Seating & Translation Reservation Form using the appropriate form for the event you want to attend. (Please note: there are different forms for each event and different fax numbers for each city.)
· A seating reservation fee is requested, but not mandatory.

Contributions: The reservation fee covers less than 30% of the event costs. Additional contributions are needed and greatly appreciated. Contributions to support these events as well as upcoming Knowledge Sessions can be included with your seating reservation form and can also be made at the event.

Santa Monica, California Tuesday, April 25, 2000
Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, 1855 Main Street (near Pico)
Translation Available: Gujarati, Hindi, Mandarin and Spanish
Reservations: Fax form to 818-707-6374 April 19-21 10 am-10 pm, PDT. Because
of the short notice of this event, no confirmations of seat reservations will be made for
this event. You must reserve your seat in advance to attend this event.
After faxing ends: Call 818-707-6384 Saturday & Sunday, April 22 & 23 from noon to 5 pm
and Monday, April 24, 9 am - Noon PDT to find out if there are any seats available.
Seat Assignment - pick up in person:
· Sunday, April 23 11 am - 2 pm Westlake video hall, 2500 Townsgate, Suite H
· Monday, April 24 4 pm - 8 pm Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, East Hall
· If you cannot come at one of these times, seat assignments and entry passes will also
be available beginning at 8 am the morning of the event at the venue. Please arrive
as close to 8 am as you are able.

Miami Beach, Florida Thursday, May 4, 2000
Radisson Deauville Resort, Napoleon Ballroom, 6701 Collins Avenue
Translation Available: Spanish
Reservations: Fax form to 818-707-6370 April 19-29 10 am-10 pm PDT
After April 29: Call: 818-707-6384 to find out if there are any seats available at this or
other events.
A buffet lunch is included in the suggested reservation fee of $45 for Miami. Participating in
this luncheon will greatly help offset the costs of the venue rental for this event.

Miami Beach, Florida Saturday, May 6, 2000
Radisson Deauville Resort, Napoleon Ballroom, 6701 Collins Avenue
Translation Available: Gujarati and Spanish
Reservations: Fax form to 818-707-6370 April 19 - May 1 10 am-10 pm, PDT
After May 1: Call 818-707-6384 to find out if there are any seats available at this or
other events.
A buffet lunch is included in the suggested reservation fee of $45 for Miami. Participating
in this luncheon will greatly help offset the costs of the venue rental for this event.

Boston, Massachusetts Monday, June 12, 2000
Copley Theatre, 224 Clarendon Street
Translation Available: Spanish
Reservations: Fax form to 818-707-6372 April 19 - June 5 10 am -10 pm, PDT
or mail to the address on the form
After June 5: Call 818-707-6384 to find out if there are any seats available at this or
other events.

Toronto, Canada Wednesday, June 14, 2000
Metro Toronto Convention Center, John Bassett Theatre, 255 Front Street West
Translation Available: French and Tamil
Reservations: Fax form to 514-381-9265 April 19 - June 7 24 hours a day until hall is
full, or mail to the address on the form
After June 7: Call 514-381-8336 to find out if there are any seats available at this or
other events.

Alexandria, Virginia (near Washington DC) Sunday, June 18, 2000
Hilton Alexandria Mark Center, Plaza Ballroom, 5000 Seminary Road
Translation Available: Hindi and Spanish
Reservations: Fax form to 818-707-6373 April 19 - June 11 10 am -10 pm, PDT
or mail to the address on the form
After June 11: Call 818-707-6384 to find out if there are any seats available at this or
other events.

Reservation Forms: Fill out your form completely and legibly using black ink. Each form has a space for two individuals to register. For groups of more than two who wish to be seated together, please use additional forms. Label each form with page numbers.

Reservation for only One event: You are asked to reserve a seat for only one event, to allow each person an opportunity to attend.

Special Needs: Indicate any special needs on your reservation form.

Translation: may be provided in languages other than those listed. Clearly request additional translation language needed on your reservation form. If possible, your request will be accommodated.

When your fax does not go through: Fax lines may sometimes be busy. However, when a hall is fully booked, the fax line for that event will no longer accept faxes. In this case, you may call the following numbers for information on remaining availability at other events:
In the U.S. call 818-707-6384
in Canada call 514-381-8336

Seat Confirmation: will be sent by fax, e-mail or mail for all events except Santa Monica.
For US events, if you have not received a confirmation three days prior to the event, e-mail to EVSeating@aol.com or call 818-707-6374 between 8 pm -11 pm EDT to confirm your reservation.
For Toronto event, if you have not received a confirmation by June 7, call 514-381-8336 June 8 -10 between 6:30 - 9 pm EDT to confirm your reservation.

To cancel a reservation: For US events, please email to EVSeating@aol.com or fax 818-707-6370, with your name and the event you had registered to attend. For Toronto event, please fax your cancellation to 514-381-9265.

Hotel and Specific City Information: Elan Vital rates for hotels and other information specific to each city will be available as soon as it is confirmed.

Information & Forms by Fax-On- Request: This complete information packet about these North American Events, including all reservation forms, is available through Fax-On-Request. From a fax machine, dial 918-222-7358 and follow the recorded instructions.

Please stay in touch with the National Information Line for changes or cancellations to the scheduled events. In the US call 818-889-0500. In Canada call 514-381-9071.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:34:04 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: an Intimate Participant
Subject: Re: A Nostalgic Interlude
Message:
Yep, that's the last time I saw M live. This is where the first auto-knowledge was introduced as an experiment on us, used as a review. The process of being identified, if one did not have a smart card, was to walk into a room rimmed with people
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:48:48 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: It's not the password
Message:
The password is fine. You put it in and your message should post. The problem is that the messages have been eaten up by a software glitch.

Any long posts should first be done in a wordprocessor and then copied and pasted into the message. This is horrible, I know!

THEN, if the message doesn't work, you go into the failed message, click on edit this message, and then paste in your message AGAIN.

I have even had parts of the message I'm replying to show up in my posts. This has only been occuring for a few days -- there's obviously a glitch in the bulletin board software.

Francesca

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:57:10 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: NEW SOLUTION
Message:
If you have a post that isn't many pages long, one solution is to type your post.

Then highlight the whole post with your mouse when your finished.

Go up to the taskbar and (at least on Windows) choose EDIT, then COPY.

THEN click post reply.
Type in your password.

THEN, read your post. If it is screwed up, click on EDIT THIS MESSAGE and paste in the post you just copied and then hit save. VOILA!

If you message is too large for the clipboard feature (where it will be copied to by the edit-copy feature), you 'll need to use a wordprocessing program or notepad instead, and copy and paste your post in from there.

Francesca

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:32:47 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Good suggestion, that's what I'm doing
Message:
It's easy and it works.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:01:47 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: Re: About the SD Program..First an apology..
Message:
Rich, your post didn't go through! Repost.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:41:02 (EST)
From: Test
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject:
Message:
c
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:42:32 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: jhb@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: *** Virus Attack - Not a Hoax ***
Message:
The EPO webmaster address has been the target of a number of virus attack attempts today. The user does not need to open an attachment for the virus to execute. This is because of a loophole in Microsoft IE versions 5.01 and 5.5. Fortunately, I don't have these versions, so the attack failed.

It appears that Gerry may have been a victim, and I have others reasons to believe that ex-premies have been deliberately targeted.

Microsoft have an update (go to the link above) to remove the loophole. For a description of the virus, click here.

John

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:28:39 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Yeah, it's premies fer sure
Message:
they're getting me too and they are signalling me that they know me well. It's the CAC creeps.

Maharaji: you and your people suck! These fucking dimwit Taliban al-Qaeda-like premies and their fucking Jihad. Your Guru is still a fraud no matter what you do to us.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:58:17 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: NOT A HOAX!
Message:
Gerry's comuter is definitely infected -- I got an e-mail from him with the badtransvirus.

The way I understand it, the virus is sent to him and it hijacks an e-mail and sends itself to everyone on his list. Norton Antivirus intercepted it for me (luckily I updated my virus definitions last night) but I don't have Outlook e-mail, which also helps.

Outlook is a great e-mail system -- however, one virus protection measure is NOT to use outlook. At least half of the virus out there are spread through Outlook exclusively. Of course, if Microsoft fixed the problems ...

Francesca

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:16:21 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Blank email from Gerry
Message:
I got a blank email from Gerry at 6:37 am today. I replied telling him there was no message and my email to him bounced back as undeliverable. Possible autosend to spread the virus.

Someone who's got his number, give him a call to see what's up.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:26:43 (EST)
From: Brian S
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Me too NT
Message:
[nt]
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:44:36 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: ditto
Message:
happened 2X
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:12:33 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: I also got that
Message:
From Gerry. My IS deparpment refused to allow me to open Gerry's attachment. Right, it's called the badtrans virus.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:11:35 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: did a premie sent me the virus
Message:
Well, in my zeal to make sure everyone got the password quickly I probably opened an attachment. (note: I just found out that this virus executes when you view the email--you do not have to open the attachment--I didn't think I was that dumb-sheesh)

Gerry -- tell me what to do re password

This was the title of the email which I believe infected my computer. Of course anyone could have sent me a virus unintentionally, but the timing was conspicuous.

Silly premies, silly guru. Silly gerry for not downloading last Monday's update of his AV program (unfortunately I did not receive any notification.)

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:53:09 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: did a premie sent me the virus
Message:
Gerry the title on those infected emails seems to be random but coming from your various email subject lines. I received 2 diff ones each with a different subject/title.
And they were different from what others received also.
I'm amazed people use Outlook Express, but anyway, you are right that not opening the attachment is important but if I read the link JHB provided correctly it looks like everyone should have the IE patch, and the latest virus protection available.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:17:00 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: But the horse is out of the barn!
Message:
Yes I agree. I have that patch installed for Outlook and I've updated my AV software. A day late and a dollar short...again.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:38:38 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: But the horse is out of the barn!
Message:
Did you see Scott's link on Anything Goes Too regarding a fix?

Someone at work saw a msg. about this virus yesterday and advised the same fix.
I wouldn't know one way or another, have managed to avoid PC and MicroSoft support for a few years now. Makes me want to believe in guardian angels :)
best of luck.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:05:59 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Email virus attachments
Message:
My emails purportedly from Gerry both have an attachment with the same odd file name extensions: ""DOC.DOC.SCRI.""
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:37:57 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Gerry, just got this email from you
Message:
It is titled ""MY PRIVATE APOLOGY"" and it has an attachment called ""YOU ARE FAT.""

I urge everyone not to open any suspicious emails using OUTLOOK EXPRESS. The new worm executes before any attachment is clicked.

GET A HOTMAIL ACCOUNT TO USE FOR THE FORUM

THE CACROACHES ARE USING VIRUSES

PLEASE BE AWARE

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:27:36 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: ANY version of Outlook is a problem
Message:
... not just Outlook Express. We have the full blown schmear at work, and that's how we got the love bug and everything else. We have a good Norton AV program on the network now and a lot of good network folks, so a lot less viruses get through. But Outlook is a serious liability.

I have the full blown schmear at home, and I won't use it. I use an old version of Eudora and also Yahoo Mail instead. Even though Outlook (the Pro version, not the express) is a great program from a user standpoint, it sucks as far as security goes.

Although this virus is going around, I wouldn't put it past a CAC-roach to send it along to his "frends."

--f

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:25:08 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Timing suspicious
Message:
Yes, I got it too, Gerry. The timing is very suspicious. They can't post so they try to disrupt in other ways. Nice people.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:55:28 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: same here
Message:
received from Gerry's email.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:54:24 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: The Microsoft IE Update Link
Message:
The link didn't seem to work so here it is:-

IE Update

John.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 09:57:03 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: The link facility doesn't work anymore!
Message:
Aren't Microsoft crap? The link facility when posting here no longer works, presumably since we went password protected for posting.

John.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:36:27 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: I've also been under attack
Message:
I've also been under attack for a couple of days.

I'm lucky my system was updated with the latest security patch, and didn't have problems.

I've received dozens of very long emails (written in French), with
attachements seemingly *.doc documents that were in fact viruses.
I've tried to discuss with the guy sending them, with the result of
receiving more of those emails.

The guy pretends to be the head of an anti anti-cult group. I blocked him on my IP and don't get his spam anymore.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but a group of French premies I know tried to hijack the French forum about a month ago. I had to block them all, erase tons of posts etc

Their idea was quite sophisticated. They started a discussion saying they were under attack of the French authorities - crazy story, and tried to get everybody involve in their (insane) case. They also tried to get the Combat journalists involved in their story, no success of course.

They don't realize how transparent they are !

I guess they're trying different tactics.

JM

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:57:21 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Wow, J-M That's Amazing
Message:
Good luck on keeping those jerks at bay. Please keep us informed on anything else that happens.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:54:31 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: I'm expecting more sophisticated
Message:
Hi Rich,

Thanks for your very candid reply. As you can see, there was never any peer pressure from us for you to ask him a question or give him a piece of your mind (pun intended).

As Joe said, the cards were stacked against you. He is victorious in that respect, in the short run. Word that Maha said that will ripple through the community. Don't forget the hip premies don't talk like that to him. It is uncool if you are in an 'inner circle' gathering. Trust me. Are you or have you ever been close to the 'in crowd' in Malibu? You won't hear that blather. So, the sappy devotional shit, will piss some of them off. Believe me, Rich, Maha is hanging himself, with that stuff. Bet you dimes to darshan, we see a few more oldtimers show up in the next couple of weeks.

So, gives us the skinny on the Marolyn and kiddy cult-leaders in training. What ya see? What ya see?

p.s. So Maha didn't correct the D-Vote-T who referred him as MY LORD. how telling is that? The more things change, the more they stay the same.

p.s. A way to alleviate the fear of being removed, is to say what you want, then get up and say, 'I guess I'll remove myself, and walk proudly out the door grinning your ex-cult ass off'. It will be a pattern interupter which will cause the premies to think. Just a tip!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:50:04 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: JM-Can't you report them
Message:
It's obviously intentional given that the same people kept sending the emails. What legally can be done about that?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:30:59 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Not for the moment
Message:
they're rather funny and childish, plus they give me lots of in info in their emails ..... keeps them busy.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index