Joe -:- Summary: San Francisco 'Appointment' -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:01:21 (EST)

__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Summary: San Francisco 'Appointment' -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:09:20 (EST)

Marianne -:- Thanks Julian - CAC effects update -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:41:40 (EST)

Joe -:- DONATIONS/DARSHAN/MORE -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:03:49 (EST)

__ such -:- for $100 [cash only],u kin kiss ma feet! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:12:34 (EST)

__ Brian Smith -:- There are no real expenses -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:57:29 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- Tell the IRS about the 6.3 million -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:14:16 (EST)

__ Roger eDrek -:- Because he's got a big nut -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:32:50 (EST)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Because he's got a big nut -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:08:01 (EST)

__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Re: Because he's got a big nut -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:20:50 (EST)

Be There Then -:- Event in Los Angeles Today -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:49:19 (EST)

__ richmandrake -:- If anyone wants to go.. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:06:14 (EST)

__ Joe -:- Add another $50K to M's pockets (nt) -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:07:54 (EST)

__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Add another $50K to M's pockets (nt) -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:06:58 (EST)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- And his travel and accommodations... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:10:30 (EST)

Joe -:- Donations in CASH for the APPOINTMENT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:59 (EST)

__ such -:- bring CASH - marji no like plastic -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:05:46 (EST)

__ PatC -:- You forgot Pacific Resources -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:13:01 (EST)

Seattle Sleuth -:- Seattle Event this Saturday -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:19 (EST)

__ Roger eDrek -:- I'll be there!!! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:53:52 (EST)

__ __ Richard -:- I am not invited -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:31:28 (EST)

__ __ __ Joe -:- Richard, who told you this? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:04:51 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Richard -:- re: who told you this?? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:05:46 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ such -:- re: Do you meditate? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:38:02 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ RichMandrake -:- Richard, How did they know it was you.. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:24 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Okay I get it... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:25:08 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Okay I get it... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:18:28 (EST)

__ Ask HEEM if He intends -:- to always be a Fat Pig? [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:58:26 (EST)

__ __ Deborah -:- What's he soooo afraid of [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:10:16 (EST)

Silvia -:- MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:17:01 (EST)

__ Selene -:- let's get in touch -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:59:08 (EST)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Isn't your son telling you something? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:29:46 (EST)

__ salam -:- Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:42:50 (EST)

__ __ silvia -:- Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:09:03 (EST)

__ __ __ salam -:- Re: MY SON IS IN'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:51:52 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Have you considered a restraining order -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:46:52 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ silvia -:- Selene-Deborah -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:07:24 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Selene-Deborah -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:18:05 (EST)

salam -:- Pia Site been eaten completly -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:57:43 (EST)

__ Salam -:- gee that worked. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:59:29 (EST)

Jethro -:- george Harrison has died NT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:48 (EST)

Brian Smith -:- George Harrison dies at age 58 -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:23 (EST)

__ suchabanana -:- George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:44 (EST)

__ __ Kelly -:- Re: George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:32 (EST)

__ Kelly -:- Re: George Harrison dies at age 58 -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:01 (EST)

__ __ Marianne -:- Hi Kelly -ot -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:29:12 (EST)

__ __ __ Kelly -:- Re: Hi Kelly -ot -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:43:13 (EST)

__ Jean-Michel -:- He's had a tremendous influence on me -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:27:57 (EST)

__ __ Deborah -:- JM-I was just singing that song -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:30 (EST)

__ __ Cynthia -:- All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:28 (EST)

__ __ __ Ulf -:- Re: All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:07:49 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- (Forgot ) While My Guitar Gently Weeps(nt) -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:18:25 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- While My Guitar Gently Weeps... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:46:34 (EST)

__ __ __ __ PatC -:- My sweet George.... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:08:24 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Ulf -:- Re: My sweet George.... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:22:17 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:16:45 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ ulf -:- Re: All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:55:06 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ There was a MAHARAJI CULT -:- Festival in Miami when Lennon was shot [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:09:35 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I was there! Remember it well -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:20:19 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Well, no wonder... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:45:12 (EST)

__ __ wolfie -:- still my guitar gently weeps -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:11:21 (EST)

__ __ __ Moley -:- My favourite song too Wolfie -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:43 (EST)

__ __ salsa -:- Re: He's had a tremendous influence on me -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:13 (EST)

__ Sir Dave -:- He was my favourite Beatle -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:14:27 (EST)

__ janet -:- Re: George Harrison died-more info please? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:26:15 (EST)

__ __ Obituary -:- It started as lung cancer... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:09 (EST)

__ __ cq -:- Re: George Harrison died-more info please? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:03:30 (EST)

__ __ I think it was -:- Brain cancer. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:09:13 (EST)

__ __ __ Bobby -:- was throat cancer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:16:21 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Sad -:- Re: was throat cancer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:24:35 (EST)

__ __ __ salsa -:- Lung cancer. NT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:39 (EST)

__ __ Zelda -:- he was in LA -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:38:04 (EST)

__ __ __ Kaj -:- premie rumours about George -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:02:29 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- WISHFUL Thinking on Maha's part [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:25:24 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Bobby -:- Re: premie rumours about George -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:46:10 (EST)

__ __ __ __ AJW -:- George was in a different cult. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:53:07 (EST)

__ __ __ janet -:- george had the distinction of... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:58:12 (EST)

__ __ __ __ janet -:- Re: george had the distinction of... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:23:01 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Friend of George and Olivia -:- Maharaji hated George Harrison? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:19:12 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Wrong , George was unimpressed -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:32:55 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- Re: Wrong , George was unimpressed -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:00:43 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Maharaji was Envious of George...I bet... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:54:52 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- George recorded Charanand -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:54:42 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Joy -:- Hey friend . . . A couple of questions -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:52:49 (EST)

Vicki -:- Question -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:10:42 (EST)

__ PatC -:- Answer - I'd hit rock bottom... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:02:19 (EST)

__ Chuck S. -:- At a vulnerable time... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:46 (EST)

__ Cynthia -:- Re: Answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:11:26 (EST)

__ __ Chuck S. -:- Re: Answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:24:49 (EST)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:54 (EST)

__ Joe -:- Both/hippies/Bill Patterson -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:00:14 (EST)

__ __ RMandrake -:- Joe, Excellent insight on M -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:44:38 (EST)

__ __ la-ex -:- Joe:a ? and an answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:13:34 (EST)

__ __ __ Joe -:- Gurucharanand/Patterson -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:10:52 (EST)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- That's sad to hear... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:21:26 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: That's sad to hear... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:57:22 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- My loving thought to Bill Patterson too -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:23:09 (EST)

__ Tonette -:- Adolescence -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:08:31 (EST)

__ Loaf -:- Hmmm how interesting ! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:45:08 (EST)

Michael McDonald -:- I'm changing my handle to McDuck -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:14:14 (EST)

__ such -:- ok, takin it to da stweets... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:03:38 (EST)

__ __ McDuck -:- Re: ok, takin it to da stweets... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:08:18 (EST)

__ __ __ Joe -:- A shot -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:27 (EST)

__ __ __ __ McDuck -:- Thanks, Joe NT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:23:38 (EST)

__ Forum Duck -:- Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:44:32 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:20:51 (EST)

__ __ Harobed -:- guru bashing? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:46:45 (EST)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- Roupell TROLL Alert! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:51:38 (EST)

__ __ __ __ . -:- Re: Roupell TROLL Alert! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:17:23 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Just say NO...to... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:31:52 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I'm trying Cynthia... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:32:13 (EST)

Marianne -:- Question for Rich Mandrake -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:46:05 (EST)

__ Joe -:- Donations in CASH -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:28:36 (EST)

__ RichMandrake -:- Hi Marianne... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:46:11 (EST)

__ __ Abi -:- how sleazy and tacky -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:47:36 (EST)

__ __ Nick -:- Another question for Rich -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:30:43 (EST)

__ __ Tonette -:- OMG! How easy it would be! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:53:56 (EST)

__ __ __ ben Lurking -:- Re: OMG! How easy it would be! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:28 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Great Idea ben... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:35:40 (EST)

Julian -:- Bjorn the Spiteful is posting on LG & AG -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:07:51 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- Don't engage him on AG -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:19:09 (EST)

__ __ Marianne -:- Agree with Deb -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:28:51 (EST)

The Lord of the Universe -:- Come fly with me -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:03:31 (EST)

__ such -:- Smartcard? but marji NO like plastic,Himself!!! [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:57:52 (EST)

__ __ such -:- marji like CASH! no money trail!!! [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:59:59 (EST)

__ bill -:- one week might be enough time [nt] -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:59:32 (EST)

Michael McDonald -:- I just posted without a PW -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 21:22:36 (EST)

__ Moll of Mole -:- Re: I just posted without a PW -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:18:02 (EST)

__ janet -:- you're between worlds -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:24:08 (EST)

__ __ Michael McDonald -:- Re: you're between worlds -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:28:38 (EST)

__ __ __ janet -:- Re: you're between worlds -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:33:34 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Michael McDonald -:- Thanks for the help, Janet NT -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:36:53 (EST)

__ Suzanne -:- Michael....SSSSSSSSH (duh!) -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:58:40 (EST)

__ __ Michael McDonald -:- I can be dumber of I try NT -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:23:44 (EST)

__ __ __ janet -:- literally. please do. -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:26:55 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Michael McDonald -:- Re: literally. please do. -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:31:30 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ janet -:- i think Jim does. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:43:08 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- You're hilarious -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:40:02 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- No! You're hilarious -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:53:42 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hey Deb -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:03:11 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Barbara +) -:- Be sure to wear a full body condom -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:10:52 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Is that comfortable? Very OT? Very OT? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:08:24 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- I grew up with 4 big brothers -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:11:08 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Check email (OT) -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:14:49 (EST)

Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:01:21 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: All Subject: Summary: San Francisco 'Appointment' Message:

I was asked to post the following from someone who was at the November 23 'Appointment Event' at the San Francisco Airport Hyatt. Report on November 23, 2001 S.F. Event with MJ With only a few days notice premies only were invited to a program with Maharaji at the S.F. Airport Hyatt. It was to be small regional event (500) in order to give premies the rare opportunity to talk with Maharaji from the floor via a roving mike. The program was scheduled from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 the day after Thanksgiving. (People were on holiday.)... A $100 donation was suggested. SmartCards were required to get in. Names were checked off lists. Seating tickets were given out. Registration happened early, so there was a lot of warm meeting, greeting and reconnecting. Noticeably absent were the “Suit” presence, badges, and Visions sales. (To clarify, “Suits” were present, but they didn’t walk ten feet in front of themselves.) To get into the hall everyone had to pass through an airport-style metal detector, which caused a huge back-up, and caused the program to start a little late by the atomic clock. The hall was a ballroom. There was a stage at the front with a simple backdrop behind M’s chair, and black pipe-in drape stretching the length of the hall behind the stage. Two video cameras were stationed in the center of the audience. Photographers in the far side aisles took official photos. The front of the hall was not stocked with PAMs and major donors. They were there to be sure, but were sprinkled around: the Pascotto boys, Linda Pascotto, Tim Gallowey, big eating Frenchman, Judy Osbourne, Eric Reinemer, etc. David Smith, Belkis Shah, Padharthanand, Mahavir and Danielle Fitzpatrick were also sprinkled around. Some local yokels actually got to sit close, as did some local non-yokels. Marcia Leitner (a local non-yokel) and some of the local non-yokel church ladies (both industrial and mild strength types) were in the front row, practically at the Feet. The Feet weren’t very close, as they were high up on the stage above the audience, and set back…but Marcia and the church ladies were almost as close as you could get. Maharaji’s family members were a little closer. The Visions crew included Monica who appeared in full force wearing brown leather pants, silver belt, boots and platinum blond hair. Maharaji received a roaring, standing ovation when he came on stage. He welcomed everyone and opened his discourse by talking about waking up and not knowing where he was: he’s traveling so much you know--fly one day, program the next, fly the next day, program the next, etc. From later comments, though, it sounded like he woke up that morning in Malibu—but hey, when you’re speaking stream-of-consciousness, a little incongruency is forgivable. He rambled on for slightly over an hour. Saying that it can’t be done--remembering every breath and having no doubt--he challenged everyone to “Just try it!” He mentioned that practicing Knowledge leads to enlightenment, with no explanation of what that means. He repeated his often made comments about Knowledge being the “best,” the “tops” (to applause). His talk was light (if unmemorable) with a lot of jokes. Then he opened up the room for talking to him—emphasizing that this was a time to “talk” to him, not to ask questions. The first person to talk was a woman with a French accent. Maharaji asked if she was French and she said, no, she was from Geneva, Switzerland. Maharaji said something about his visits to Geneva. He was kind and blissed her right out. A woman from Las Vegas told Maharaji her name (a few times) so that he would get it, talked about her deep thirst and how Knowledge quenched it (and thanked him), and begged for service. Maharaji repeated her name and “Las Vegas” and pretended to write on his palm so he would remember. He blissed her right out too. Another woman said, “I love you.” Maharaji responded, “You may not know this but I really need to hear that. I really do.” Then one premie after another declared their heartfelt love and gratitude. Two men with Spanish accents independently begged to be “close.” To the first one, who listed his credentials and asked to work for him, Maharaji said, “You can be close, because close means close in heart.” The second one sobbed uncontrollably . He blurted out that he had read the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita and said, “They all talk about You. You are the Lord. Thank you Lord for giving me this life.” (Perhaps he meant “a” Lord…the United Kingdom is dotted with Lords, as is India historically (Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu, Lord Shiva, Lord Krishna, Lord Rama—all the Indian Masters and Avatars are called Lord). But no, he said “the” Lord.) Maharaji quietly accepted this declaration. When this man begged to be close, Maharaji replied, “It’ll happen.” Indian premies spoke to Maharaji in Hindi. He told the rest of us that they were “talking about Indian food.” (roar of laughter.) One Indian sisterji raised her hand and her husband, who had not raised his hand but was sitting next to her, took the roving mike when it was offered to her. Maharaji made a big joke about that, and assured sisterji that she would get her turn too. When she finally spoke, I gathered that she was asking Maharaji if she could cook for him. I guess I was right, because when she was done Maharaji chuckled, “She really was talking about Indian food!” (lots of laughter.) Someone tried to sell Maharaji on San Francisco, saying that it had great restaurants, etc. He said that this was where he had been awakened at 4:00 a.m. and told he had to go a radio station because he had an appointment to go on the air. He said he knew San Francisco was a beautiful city, but he wouldn’t come for the city. A woman told Maharaji that she had moved here from San Luis Obispo and that she hadn’t seen him in a long time because she was one of the “working poor.” He told her it’s important to “keep your focus.” My interpretation was: “If you have to spend money, spend it on seeing me.” A woman told Maharaji that she had heard many versions of the story of the devotee who was asked by the Master to get him a glass of water. (The devotee goes down to the river to get a glass of water, but is distracted by women, gets married, has children, i.e. he turns into a spider—according to the mahatmas, that’s when you go from having two legs to having eight legs--and years later remembers that he set out to get a glass of water for his Master.) She asked if he could tell the story again, making the devotee a woman because with all the versions, she had never heard that version. Maharaji said that it wouldn’t work because, first of all, the Master would have to ask the woman to go for a walk with him and that would be very controversial. And, if the Master asked the woman to get him a glass of water, she would bring it back and spill it (demonstrating) on the Master. But then he said the way it would really happen is that the woman would ask the Master to get her a glass of water. The Master would go down to the river and intentionally slip on a rock and fall into the water so that the current could carry him downstream to where there was a great group of devotees that he wanted to hang out with. The woman would be so pissed that he didn’t come back, that she would go and burn down the ashram. (whole audience in uproarious laughter) Then Maharaji saved himself (almost) with, “But no, it doesn’t have anything to do with man or woman, it’s just what’s in the heart.” Maharaji said that a lot of changes were coming up. He had been talking to his brother (as if there was only one) and his brother said that their father had asked Maharaji to take Knowledge to the world, and he’d done that. The brother said, “Now it’s time for You.” Maharaji said, “huh?” and his brother repeated that that their father had asked Maharaji to take knowledge to the world, and he had done that, and “Now it’s time for You.” Maharaji responded, “huh.” Speaking of changes, Maharaji also wondered why he wore a suit and tie, saying it would be more comfortable to dress casually. (I’ve always wondered about that —why do he and the top brass want to emulate and reflect the cold, competitive, corporate environment? Granted, suit and tie have become global symbols of professionalism, but why do something that’s so unenjoyable when it’s not necessary? Don’t we all hate wearing nooses around our necks? Why perpetuate the pretense?) He closed saying that a lot of people hadn’t had a chance to say anything, but there would be another chance. When he left the stage the atmosphere in the hall could be described as balmy bhakti. Some people were weeping, some falling into each other’s arms, some sitting quietly, and some practically floating off the floor. No doubt San Francisco is now in the Good Graces. From an open floor of 500 people, nothing negative was said. Premies had had the chance to talk to Maharaji. New premies who may not have known who Maharaji really is, now know, for it was declared. And a good time was had by all. Go! Go! Goooooooo San Francisco! --GB

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:09:20 (EST) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Joe Subject: Re: Summary: San Francisco 'Appointment' Message:

Aren't samrt cards and EV item, why would a non EV event use EV smart cards to get in? I am sorry I missed it (not)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:41:40 (EST) From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: All Subject: Thanks Julian - CAC effects update Message:

Julian, thanks for defending me when Bjorn showed back up on the forums. I do not speak to him at all anymore. I also saw that Pat and Gerry criticized him for what he's been doing to me, and I appreciate that. Anyway, Bjorn has now threatened to contact the state bar and complain about me. This is after he sent emails to the San Francisco Public Defender's Office -- where CAC said I worked, and in fact I don't -- calling me a cyberstalker. These emails continued even after he was told I did not work there. Bjorn got the idea to write to these places from the CAC sites. That's where the email links appeared. The CAC site said that I had committed crimes and also claimed I am mentally unstable. So fence sitting premies, please give some thought to this. The CAC sites have allowed this premie to wage a libelous campaign against me, and to threaten my reputation in the legal community. Do you really want to associate yourself with this type of behavior? These sites would never have shown up without the implicit or explicit blessing of Captain Rawat. The only reason I have been singled out is that I dare criticize Maharaji. Just how dangerous is someone who left DLM in 1976 when she was 20? Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:03:49 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: All Subject: DONATIONS/DARSHAN/MORE Message:

As I said below, last night I had a very long telephone conversation with a very well-connected 'questioning premie' who had read my posts on the Forum, and I guess got my phone number from directory assistance (second time this has happened to me in the past couple of weeks) (This 'questioning premie' is a very nice person who recalls who I am, but I couldn't place this person although the name is very familiar). Actually, this person, I am certain, has crossed over into 'ex-land' and will probably be posting soon. This person is very smart and thoughtful, and will be a helpful addition to anybody thinking about getting out of the cult. I liked what I was told by this person because it gave me a little better perspective on Maharaji, perhaps making me see some of the 'good' side of being involved with him. More on that later. This person said that he or she has been reading EPO off and on for two years, has 'had it' with M and his organization, and although this person believes there is a 'Real' experience to be (rarely) gained from being around Maharaji, (the source of which this person cannot explain), that isn't worth the rest of the crap that it entails being a follower of M. For one thing, this person agreed that to really be a devotee of M these days you have to be quite wealthy, and the majority of premies simply can't keep up financially. MANY are very in debt trying to do so. Anyhow, this person was particularly appalled at how the 'big donors' are treated. Apparently, they get all kinds of perks, like close seats, and going to all kinds of personal parties with M, that ordinary premies, who don't have much money to donate, never get. Two things were mentioned: 1) Apparently, after the Portland 'event' a few months ago, there was a 'big donor' fundraiser and Yoram Weiss & Co., with M giving his personal attention, obtained committments of $6.3 MILLION (US). Let me say that again; SIX POINT THREE MILLION DOLLARS......(US, of course). [As an aside, does anybody ever ask where this money actually goes? Other than the lifestyle M lives, what, what, WHAT, does he have to show for it? Propagation is dead, hardly anybody is receiving knowledge, hardly anybody has even heard of Maharaji or knowledge, etc. What RETURN are these people getting on their donations? Does anybody ever ask that?] 2) Apparently, also recently, there was a BIG DONORS 'event' in Arizona at a very swanky hotel/resort for a weekend. People were specially invited. To even go to the event, the cost was $5,000 PER PERSON. Let me say that again FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER PERSON (US), just to GO, and then much more money was pledged. AND, at this Arizona EVENT, Maharaji mingled with these BIG DONORS and, guess what, he had them line up and kiss his feet. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS, we thought maybe Maharaji wouldn't dare engage in that activity in North America, and would try to hide it in a remote enclave in Australia, but no, that little ritual is happening in good old Arizona, with the 'speaker' who has banished all the old HINDU RITUALS, who is NOT GOD, not THE LORD, and just a mild-mannered, rich, meditation instructor. But I keep coming back to: WHAT THE HELL DOES MAHARAJI DO WITH ALL THAT FUCKING MONEY???? I just want to add, that I was very happy to connect with this person, somebody I would like to get to know just as someone who seems like a person with a lot of honesty, integrity and courage. Despite the CAC-crowd, I think most premies fall into that category. This person also mentioned to me that a number of people, whom I believed were of the most devout churchlady variety, are also 'questioning.' It appears people are leaving the cult in droves, or at least pulling back from involvement in the USA, just like John MacGregor also confirmed in Australia.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:12:34 (EST) From: such Email: None To: Joe Subject: for $100 [cash only],u kin kiss ma feet! Message:

LOL

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:57:29 (EST) From: Brian Smith Email: None To: Joe Subject: There are no real expenses Message:

Incurred by M directly. Every event is hosted by a community, and that community provides the financial resourses, or raids it's own coffers to accomadate all of the expenses. As Richard indicated at San Diego, as hosting community they all got to sit up front. Here again is a good example of he who puts up the most money gets the best seats, only this time it is on the collective group basis as a community. It looks different, but it is the same principle, money talks. Whatever is collected at the door goes elsewhere and is not paid back into the community, they are left to fend for themselves and replenish their depleted capital reserves on their own. Another case of revise, and disquise and hopefully cover tracks

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:14:16 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Joe Subject: Tell the IRS about the 6.3 million Message:

And have them investigate the lifestyle of the RAWATS. Why could a cult that lost 90% of its members claim that it is using their money for propagation. Where are the devotees. Not only that, but Maha is giving clandestine programs. How much money did it cost to bring the FATFUCK from Malibu to San Diego. Yet people were told the cost was picked up, but the expenses required a cash donation of $100 per head. 500 x 100 = 50,000 + surplus donations from cultheads who were so greatful. Have them read the forum. Show them the CAC files. Give them Bjorn's name as a person who perpetrated a hate crime against Marianne because deceived them their whole adult life. PREMIES, get clued in. When you become an ex-premie, the reasons that validated your experience go out the window. WHY? Because Maha is a FRAUD, and Knowledge is a SCAM. We know that, you don't. There is nothing inherently ungreatful about us. Please, do yourself a favour, and think for yourself, before it's too late.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:32:50 (EST) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Joe Subject: Because he's got a big nut Message:

Joe, Maharaji has got a big nut to cover. It's mighty damn expensive taking care of all that Maya - family, girlfriends, brothers, servants, houses all over the world, boats, planes and a fleet of automobiles. I think if Maharaji was smart he'd start selling more than just his feet. Hell, there's a huge market for human organs and bodily fluids. Gimme a tank full of Ethyl, will ya? And don't forget Maharaji speaking at Long Beach 1995: You know some people don't like rich people. They have this idea or that idea of what it is to be rich. But they really don't know. It's not easy to be rich. It isn't. Once you've made your first million, you need another to protect it. Then you have two million, and you'll need another two million to protect those two million. Then you'll have four million and you'll need another four million to protect those four million, and then you'll have eight million. Of course then you'll need another 8 million to protect those eight million and then you'll have 16 million... it isn't easy, it's not what you think. What is it, Joe? You got something against rich people?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:08:01 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Re: Because he's got a big nut Message:

Hi Roger, How are you? I obviously don't know what he does with all that CASH, but the cost of maintenance for all of the residences, all of the aircraft, all the cars, the kids, wife, mistress must be astronomical. The insurance premiums per year alone must be hefty. Yet he wants more and more and more. It makes me puke. It's time for him to get a job. Let him actually DO SOMETHING in his life for a change. He has no shame. He's, he's, I can't find words to describe how pathetic Maharaji is. And he claims not to be the leader of a religion. His religion is COLD HARD CASH! Be well Roger, Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:20:50 (EST) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: Because he's got a big nut Message:

Hey Cynthia, I'm fine. Hope you are too. Maharaji working a job! That would be too funny! I'd pay to see that. Don't forget that he told us not to bother with kollege, kareers or saving for retirement and instead to focus entirely on his knowledge. What a guy!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:49:19 (EST) From: Be There Then Email: None To: All Subject: Event in Los Angeles Today Message:

There's an event today in Los Angeles at Universal City. Registration is from 1 pm to 4 pm. Event is from 5pm to 7 pm.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:06:14 (EST) From: richmandrake Email: None To: Be There Then Subject: If anyone wants to go.. Message:

that hasnt been invited I believe there was a Line for those without personal invitations at the San Diego Program. You will probably have to be vetted but if you are not a known Conspirator you can probably get a seat in the back..Still might be able to 'Talk' with McRawat. You might want to Bounce a check...and have a look see for yourself. What is the Venue in Universal City?...maybe the same one where he had a program in the mid '90s???

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:07:54 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Be There Then Subject: Add another $50K to M's pockets (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:06:58 (EST) From: Ben Lurking Email: None To: Joe Subject: Re: Add another $50K to M's pockets (nt) Message:

Maybe a premie on the way out should take an IRS agent to an event - just to see what goes on - it would be interesting.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:10:30 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Ben Lurking Subject: And his travel and accommodations... Message:

costs will be quite high, seeing he has to 'copter to the airport, jet to whatever freakin' airport he uses out of Malibu, and stay in his own mansion. Creep

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:59 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: All Subject: Donations in CASH for the APPOINTMENT Message:

Thanks to Rich for his insightful report about the San Diego 'Appointment Event.' [Only an organization so infected with buzzwords like 'synchronize' could come up with something so meaningless as that.] What the churchlady on the phone told Rich is very telling. Especially that she suggested $100 was preferable in CASH, that more should be contributed if possible, and that the event was expensive and the money was for covering the cost of the 'event.' This indicates to me that the money is going to Maharaji directly. With cash, it is impossible to determine where the money is going, and if it wasn't going directly to Maharaji's pocket, there would have been no reason to ask for CASH. How they will launder money paid by check, like Rich did, would be interesting to know, but making a check out to "Appointment Event" indicates that they will launder them through some bank account set up for this. Like Rich said, the hall rental was at most a few hundred dollars, if even that, and the other expenses maybe amounted to a few thousand dollars, and if 35,000 to 40,000 dollars was collected at just this event, multiplied by Westchester, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and now Seattle, we are approaching a quarter million, with maybe $10,000 in costs, and this doesn't take into account those premies so devoted that they contributed even more money. One can almost see the armies of premies marching to the ATM machines. Making the statement that this was NOT Elan Vital's 'event' was also important, because if Elan Vital was sponsoring an event for the purpose of money going to an individual (Maharaji), they would lose their tax-exempt status if it was discovered. Hence, EV had to say it had nothing to do with it. That's why there was nothing on the EV website about it, and why EV did not in any way announce the event, officially, and why the churchlady stressed that it wasn't an EV 'event.' What is astounding, though, is that they would LIE to the premies and tell them that the event was 'expensive' and they needed the $100, IF NOT MORE, to cover the costs of the 'event.' That is obviously a huge lie, and indicates that the money was being requested under false pretenses, not that many of the premies wouldn't have given the money anyway, knowing that it was going to buy a Rolls for the master. I would estimate that maybe a few thousand dollars were necessary to pay the costs of that "appointment event." Since Maharaji has residences all over the world, and his personal expenses are astronomical, if donations are down, this is a way for him to line his personal pockets. Think any of that money is going to fulfill the 'mission' which Maharaji claims he is here to carry out? If so, would you like to buy a bridge over the Golden Gate?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:05:46 (EST) From: such Email: None To: Joe Subject: bring CASH - marji no like plastic Message:

remember: marji saying he never used credit cards... as we have been reiterating again and again, miragey likes cash -- for the very reason that, unless you note and track the money's serial numbers, it's difficult to trace where the money ends up! ergo: marji likes cash -- no inconvenient or messy govt. revenue investigations, or racketeering indictments -- when rawrats might otherwise be residing in a different Big House. it's very hard to maintain a high 8-figure lifestyle on a fictitious income, even as the minister of a registered church that isn't a church or religion.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:13:01 (EST) From: PatC Email: None To: Joe Subject: You forgot Pacific Resources Message:

Each community has a local ''Resources'' fund (called Pacific Resources in the west) with the name of the city appended. They have to cough up the initial cash to give the organization that now runs the events (forgot the name) for venue rental, AV, security, miscellaneous expenses - all the expenses in fact. The registration fee is gravy.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:19 (EST) From: Seattle Sleuth Email: None To: All Subject: Seattle Event this Saturday Message:

There is an invitation only event 5 pm Saturday in Seattle for NW premies. I have no other details.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:53:52 (EST) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Seattle Sleuth Subject: I'll be there!!! Message:

My Sweet Lord!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:31:28 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: I am not invited Message:

I was going to go out of curiosity so I checked and found out I was 'not extended an invitation'. The reason given was because I had been posting on the forum and it was obvious I was 'anti-Maharaji' and 'not in harmony with what's going on at the event'. Apparently they even have examples of my posts from the forum as evidence that I'm not sychronized. An event here does remind me that I am very interested these days in having my heart re-awaken after too much dormancy. The PTSD I am dealing with from 911 gives me even more reason to make sure I don't lose the heart openess that drew me to GMJ these many years ago. My heart will stay open. I'm just approaching it in an unattributed way now. A very good premie friend reminded me of the following Rumi quote today. I offer it to my friends in the Seattle premie community as a sign of peace and good will. Out beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing, there is a field. I'll meet you there. Richard the monmat

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:04:51 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Richard Subject: Richard, who told you this? Message:

Who is 'they' in the 'they' have examples of your posts? Did you call up some churchlady and they told you this? I'm sure you were just aching to drop off those five twenties as you went through the metal detector and were frisked.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:05:46 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Joe Subject: re: who told you this?? Message:

The 'they' I mentioned are the local community organizers. I presume they were made aware of my monmatness by the national EV team. The person I called is a very kind and loving old aquaintence who really had no say in the matter. Just reporting the news so I don't blame them. They did say if I was sincerely interested in attending, I could plead my case higher up but that's too much work to satisfy my curiosity. I was curious how this event would be unfold and had no plans to disrupt the proceedings. But after the big PR snafu in Philadelphia with the 'Do you meditate?' question, they aren't taking any chances. Richard

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:38:02 (EST) From: such Email: None To: Richard Subject: re: Do you meditate? Message:

that was a normal question for someone to ask him; does the guru practice what he preaches? has he always done so -- faithfully, every day? or did he reach a magical point where he became permanently one with godness -- and never had to meditate like his doggie premies anymore thereafter? see, if the trip is actually about meditation, then people Should rightfully ask marji about his own practice, since he has ranted on at the premies for 30 years about Their practice of the special K. similarly, a normal response to that question would be to answer it honestly. if marji got uptight about a lil question like that -- chances are 1) he doesn't like being put on the spot -- ever -- by anyone, 2) he doesn't want to be accountable, 3) he's hiding something [either bogus meditator/fake rugu, and/or incompetent + embarrassed]. People should ask him all kinds of questions at these events, incl: 1) why have financial contributors Never received an accurate accounting of how Elan Vital is disbursing their donations? 2) are you the only living master, and what makes you any more of a master than many of your longtime devotees or other meditators? 3) when that voice came into your head after your dad's death, how do you know 100% that it wasn't your mind speaking, or a disembodied spirit possessing you? 4) if you are not addicted to materialism, why do you insist on staying in luxurious presidential suites, traveling in luxury jets, expensive cars, and having devotees buy mansions for yourself? 5) why is your family living off the premies? is your son having a luxury car, or Raja ji a mansion part of your mission? 6) does Monica Lewis give good head, or do you just have a quickie when you get together? Is cheating on your wife Marolyn consistent with your teaching: no cheat, no deceit? 7) could you please tell us about the time you committed vehicular manslaughter and lied? why did you lie, and conspire to have a premie take the blame? why? 8) Why did you order Donner to get Fakiranand out of the country, after your brother incited the mahatma and others to kill the guy who through the cream pie in your face? If you are an ethical and spiritual person, why didn't you hand over Fakiranand and the other conspirators to the US authorities? Why did you order the aiding of violent criminals - unless they were simply doing you and your family's bidding, and you didn't want the facts made known? 9) How did you ever get premies to buy back your house for 20 times more than it cost them, at a clear profit of about $5 million to yourself? If you are not addicted to materialism, why did you direct premies to expand your Malibu mansion to 28,000 sq ft.? Why are you allowed to live in a $25,000,000 estate you don't even own? 10) Why was Seva Corp. created, and why have premie donations been siphoned off into this corporation for luxury items which are only used by you and your family -- assets totalling tens of millions of dollars incl planes, yachts, estates, etc? 11) Although there are literally thousands of informed witnesses who can testify about this subject, if you are not really the living Lord in the flesh, then why have you specifically and historically referred to yourself as 'lord', 'savior', 'satguru', and 'the living Master', and why has Elan Vital lied and pretended you never said such things (or that you never directed and encouraged others to worship you as a living god or supernatural entity)? Are you a supernatural being? If not, why have you encouraged and directed your students to treat you as such, worshipping you and following your words as infallible, and giving you everything they possessed - their income, and their minds surrendered to you? 12) at the moment of death, are you there to intercede for each of your students? Yes, or NO, please? 13) are your megalomania and delusions of grandeur directly related to your compensating for a pathetic lack of apparent male physical endowment? or does this relate to some sort of mental illness that runs in the Rawat family -- schizophrenia perhaps?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:24 (EST) From: RichMandrake Email: None To: Richard Subject: Richard, How did they know it was you.. Message:

you do not use your full name here. Has someone been reading F7 and sleuthing around trying to put together clues as to our identity. If so..I have purposely mislead people so that I can still have access...Any clues, as to how they found out it was you, Richard?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:25:08 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Richard Subject: Okay I get it... Message:

They were just 'following orders." Where have it heard THAT before? I wonder who you would "plead your case" to? Could you be represented by counsel?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:18:28 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Joe Subject: Re: Okay I get it... Message:

Funny Joe. Do you know any good lawyers in this area. Maybe in Victoria? No, if I wanted to talk with someone else it would probably be about my 'undestanding', etc. I could have said I had been blackmailed by EPO and made to post against my will. Richard who is not blackmailable because I never dressed up like a woman except that one Halloween

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:58:26 (EST) From: Ask HEEM if He intends Email: None To: Seattle Sleuth Subject: to always be a Fat Pig? [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:10:16 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Ask HEEM if He intends Subject: What's he soooo afraid of [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:17:01 (EST) From: Silvia Email: None To: All Subject: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. Message:

My son's father, a premie, showed my son the quote below of maharaji at his site (or EV) and my son saved it because according to him it was a good quote and few minutes a go showed it to me. I'm angry, disgusted, because my fears that my son can get interested in K is real. Now I have to deal with that too. Thanks a lot Lard, thanks. You suck! And what is Lard saying there, something of substance that we never heard before? No. but there you have it. The young, the ignorant, the sugestionable can fall for that and believe that Lard is saying something incredible, just as my teenager son did when in reality is simply crap. Maharaji does exactly what he says not to do. He creates a God for you, well, he become your God, so then, why talk those words? I DETEST YOU MAHARAJI. HERE IS m'S QUOTE MY SON SAVED IN HIS pc. Do I have to give God a shape? It's not necessary because my Creator existed before I did, so why do I have to give my Creator a shape? I have to feel my Creator. I don't have to go around giving my Creator a name. I don't have to go around giving my Creator a definition. I don't have to go around giving my Creator a gender. Because then I would be creating my Creator, and if I start to do that, then I become the Creator, and I'm not the Creator. But people do try to create their Creator. And they call their Creator not their creation, but 'Creator.' But they are the Creator, they are the Creator creating their own Creator. It gets very confusing. And that's pretty silly because you don't get to create the Creator. The Creator is there, and it is possible for you to feel the Creator, but the Creator cannot be comprehended by thought. maharaji sucks!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:59:08 (EST) From: Selene Email: None To: Silvia Subject: let's get in touch Message:

it's been too long. I'll try to get in touch with you. I went through similar things with my boys, as you know. Not so much the cult, for some reason that never really interested them, but the influences from exhubbie premieji had their part. Only you know what to do but my expeience is the more you give them to rebel about the more they will. Sorry this is going on again!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:29:46 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Silvia Subject: Isn't your son telling you something? Message:

YOU are 'his creator' ....... JM (bad psychologist)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:42:50 (EST) From: salam Email: None To: Silvia Subject: Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. Message:

I suggest you explain to your that guru is is refering to himself in the third person as being the Creator. Ask him how does guru know so much about who the Creator is unless he claims to be one? I know a lot of things, but I know stuff all about the Creator, let alone believing their is one. guru is cult and cult is guru. Has guru ever claimed he is GOD? Salam

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:09:03 (EST) From: silvia Email: None To: salam Subject: Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. Message:

Thanks Salam. Yes, I had already a long talk with my son and he understands, however I recognize that due to his age his mind is easy to manipulate. Do you remember when we heard of mahalard and we were eskeptical but later we gave in? Remembering is where my concern starts because my son is going to live with his father for a while, soon, which it means that he is going to be exposed to the crap more than ever. I am thinking that I have to write to his premie father to warn him... Thanks. silvia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:51:52 (EST) From: salam Email: None To: silvia Subject: Re: MY SON IS IN'm mad. Message:

What can I say, kid wants to experiment with life. that how things are. Just be there for him in case he needs you. be good and don't listen to my advice.:(

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:46:52 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: salam Subject: Have you considered a restraining order Message:

That's so scary. He's only 15 yrs old. Have you consdiered talking to a lawyer. Email me when you get a chance. Maha is a fuckin prick and I want him stopped. I wonder what he'd do if someone ABUSED his kids. Besides him, that is.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:07:24 (EST) From: silvia Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Selene-Deborah Message:

I am really angered and worried about this. Yes, I want to talk to a lawyer, maybe I'll go to court and tell the judge that I belonged to the cult for over 20 years and that I am worried about my son's father influencing him to believe in Lard. You are right, imagine if it was the other way around: Lard would do what? Well, I'll send 'him' a letter too. call me Selene when you can. Thanks to both of u. :)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:18:05 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: silvia Subject: Re: Selene-Deborah Message:

Talk to a lawyer first. Email me, I'm very busy but I'll have time to go over it. Act on it. This is your son's life. Your son needs outside opinions about the GURU. Sue Maha for the money it is going to cost you to prevent his mind from being sucked into the cult. This influence on Maha is because you were also part of the cult and it is what he knows. He needs to be part of the deprogramming process because all of child like impressions are still alive. What I want to say is sensitive and I'd prefer to say it off-forum. Check email today. Take care and take your son's message as a warning. No other fifteen years wonder about gurus, especially Maha because Maha is a secret cult. Deborah

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:57:43 (EST) From: salam Email: None To: All Subject: Pia Site been eaten completly Message:

It's in Danish selling domains and I bet it it the same looser that runs Bors the cyber caca, have a look http://www.cybercity.dk/erhverv/produkter/hosting/yellowweb/

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:59:29 (EST) From: Salam Email: None To: salam Subject: gee that worked. Message:

number one password hey?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:48 (EST) From: Jethro Email: jed53@hotmail.com To: All Subject: george Harrison has died NT Message:

NT

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:23 (EST) From: Brian Smith Email: None To: All Subject: George Harrison dies at age 58 Message:

The quiet Beatle, just passed away with a few close friends, family members and his wife Olivia at his bedside. A truth seeker in his own right, George epitomized the example of humility in the face of enormous talent and fame. He was truly a gifted musician and a unique individual, another musical icon leaves us far to soon.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:44 (EST) From: suchabanana Email: banana@friar_park.com To: Brian Smith Subject: George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence Message:

When I was first teaching myself guitar, the Beatle albums were just starting to come out, too [i.e. Meet the Beatles]. With each new Beatle recording, I learned the guitar chords and Harrison's riffs. if you notice, most of the Beatle hits had distinctive guitar/sitar or bass hooks/riffs that really added to the impact of the songs: e.g. Norwegian Wood and Within You/Without You [sitar], Day Tripper riff, opening V-IV-I chordal riff of Help, simple G suspended chord of Hard's Days Night, dissonance of Got to Get You Into my Life, guitar melody on Something, acoustic guitar on Here Comes the Sun, last two riffs of The End on Abbey Road, A minor chord progression + bridge of While My Guitar, etc., + All Things Must Pass, slide guitar on Lennon's How Do You Sleep, etc. Blessing/Blaming George Harrison: George was the Beatle who got people in the West open to Indian music, religions/beliefs, gurus, and so forth. The Beatles themselves gave up on Maharishi as a fake after they discovered him shtupping Mia Farrow one morning at the Rishikesh ashram. Nevertheless, George maintained his interest in Indian religious beliefs -- especially Krishna. His second wife, Olivia Arias Harrison [a premie he met through A&M Records, where George's DarkHorse label was a subsidiary], has said she follows New Age Christianity mixed with some googoo maharaji. In retrospect, although the Beatles later all disavowed TM and its guru, it was primarily young George who spawned the media's counterculture fad with Indian music [i.e. Ravi Shankar], religion, and gurus -- and who continued to promote that interest. Ironically, here were hordes of anti-authoritarian hippies and leftist peaceniks suddenly surrendering their lives - on the advice of youth pop icons like Harrison and Rennie Davis - to greedy rugus like miragey, sly baba, maharichi, etc. Accordingly, today I am feeling some sadness that George has left here. On the other hand, I have many fond memories of his music and learning his guitar parts, when I was a blooming kid guitarist. From playing Beatle tunes, I also gained a better sense compositionally of how to construct/arrange pop songs. I later studied Indian music formally in college. Ironically, within a few years, I was working as a musician for producer John Lennon and the Beatles' Apple record company in NY. Naturally, many of us young impressionable baby boomers were definitely influenced by Harrison's tacit seal of approval on all things Indian and mystical - with unfortunate consequences for many sincere seekers. Lastly, although we are still living in the material world, George's death [the youngest Beatle] sounds a sympathetic note signifying our own mortality -- all things must pass. While my guitar gently weeps... Peace and lentils, PS Good buddies: Clapton played the lead on 'While my guitar gently weeps', and Harrison played the guitar riff on Cream's 'Badge' [which predates a similar riff from Here Comes the Sun (in between the verses)]. While George was away, Clapton and Patti Harrison got together romantically - leading to the eventual amicable end of George's first marriage. Several years later, he was still mending emotionally when he began communicating with Olivia while doing business by phone long-distance -- and found a life partner apparently better suited to his philosophy.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:32 (EST) From: Kelly Email: None To: suchabanana Subject: Re: George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence Message:

Becuse of George, i very nearly got involved with th Hare Krisna movement...and, in fact when I arrived in India on my spiritual quest and found myself one day walking in to the Hans Jayanti festival in Delhi 1971...totally open vulnerable, malnourished and desperate for God..I believed all the premies I met...this was the Lord in human form...what a mark. (Is that the right word for a victim of a con-trick?' But, I'm not a complete fool ha ha ha! The Hare Krishnas were having a major festival in Dehi at the same time...so...I went along. Trouble is, on the way we had to change money and the money chsnger, in his most hospitable manner...rolled a joint!....I will never forget that experience...we got so high, we were treated like saddhus , everyone felt it and basically we were whisked up to Prem Nagar ashram, no charge...high as kites....grace we called it! I,m forgetting myself. the point is that before we were carried off to Prem Nagar, I insisted on visiting the Hare Krishna festivasl, when i got there I was so high all I could do was chant Hare Krishna...It seemed to go down like a dead ballon...and yet I was singing to their hearts..I saw very clearly that they were all Krishna! No dice! Oh George what beautiful music you made. My claim to fame is that my first job after art school was as a painter on 'Yellow Submarine'.. I met him, they visited the studio to see how it was done! Love Kelly

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:01 (EST) From: Kelly Email: None To: Brian Smith Subject: Re: George Harrison dies at age 58 Message:

According to his family, he died...'conscious of God, fearless of death and at peace' ...what more can you ask? I,m just praying for the same for my George, never a premie, never remotely interested in 'spiritual matters'...But, it's incredible how tuned in to life he is now. He's in hospital (with lung cancer) and his wisdom and insight is blowing my mind. We've been talking a lot about death lately...the more you face it and accept it he less fearsome it becomes. George was always my favourite Beatle, my father was called George, my Enid Blyton Famous five heroine was called George...and I married a George. All I need is a guru called George. I've never heard of one? Any takers? Kelly

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:29:12 (EST) From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: Kelly Subject: Hi Kelly -ot Message:

Kelly! I thought you went off and died of a hiccup attack last night! Hugs and kisses, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:43:13 (EST) From: Kelly Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Hi Kelly -ot Message:

Marianne, I've still got hiccups, what can it be? can you call me, as for some reason I can't send e-mails though I can receive them, and I've lost your phone number...call me and I'll call you back. love Kelly

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:27:57 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Brian Smith Subject: He's had a tremendous influence on me Message:

Remember: My sweet Lord ..... Hare Krishna .... in my 'spiritual search'. I'm sad.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:30 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: JM-I was just singing that song Message:

...My Sweet Lord, I really want to see you Lord, and it won't be long... That was a tremendous influence on my 'spiritual search' as well Cheers, deborah

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:28 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: All Things Must Pass... Message:

That's what I'm listening to right now--the album. I am sad today. Both Lennon and Harrison died too soon for me...:( Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:07:49 (EST) From: Ulf Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass... Message:

He also made : Think for yourself Taxman only a northern song Its all too much The inner ligth If i needed someone Blue jay way I want to tell you i need you And offcourse he made : within you without you All great songs , he will be missed

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:18:25 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Ulf Subject: (Forgot ) While My Guitar Gently Weeps(nt) Message:

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:46:34 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Joe Subject: While My Guitar Gently Weeps... Message:

I forgot that one, too. George wrote, played, and sang beautiful music....

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:08:24 (EST) From: PatC Email: None To: Ulf Subject: My sweet George.... Message:

After Sgt Pepper I adored the Beatles especially George, especially ''within you and without you.'' He died too young, only three years older than me. No, I still don't like rock but post-Pepper Beatles was a lot more than rock. I just sent you an email, ulf.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:22:17 (EST) From: Ulf Email: None To: PatC Subject: Re: My sweet George.... Message:

Hi Pat just sent you a second e mail. with some questions ?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:16:45 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Ulf Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass... Message:

It's true, Ulf, he was a great talent and will be missed. 58 is young to die. When John Lennon was murdered, I was in the ashram in Gainesville, Florida, and no one told me about it. I went to work one day and saw the cover of Time Magazine or Newsweek with his face on the cover, with his dates of birth and death and was so sad, but wasn't allowed to express it--we never watched tv in the ashrams.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:55:06 (EST) From: ulf Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass... Message:

Yeah , i remember that day very well , When i saw that he was dead I was thinking , that it was so sad that he amongst all did not get the knowlegde. All his fame was nothing , all his songs meant nothing because, his soul never came home to M boy , we where crazy Ulf

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:09:35 (EST) From: There was a MAHARAJI CULT Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Festival in Miami when Lennon was shot [nt] Message:

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:20:19 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: There was a MAHARAJI CULT Subject: I was there! Remember it well Message:

Because it was also Int'l Birthday party for the BigEgotisticHead.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:45:12 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Well, no wonder... Message:

Yes, I was at that big birthday bash in Miami. No one mentioned it. This I would have remembered. Fucking Asshole Maharaji

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:11:21 (EST) From: wolfie Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: still my guitar gently weeps Message:

was my favourite song. My sweet Lord was the Hymn of all this neurotic seekers of God and I was one of it. I had a good time listening to his music ...........wolfie ......dreaming how it was

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:43 (EST) From: Moley Email: moldy_warp@hotmail.com To: wolfie Subject: My favourite song too Wolfie Message:

And a song he did with Ravi Shankar along the lines of... I am missing you - Oh Krishna where are you? Blimey - thought I'd got the answer to that question when I got into the cult!!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:13 (EST) From: salsa Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Re: He's had a tremendous influence on me Message:

I was just going to post the same. That song was strong in my head...lard was my Lord. Yuck!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:14:27 (EST) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Brian Smith Subject: He was my favourite Beatle Message:

and his solo work took off and was absolutely superb. ''Something'' showed the world initially what a great songwriter and talent he was in his own right - and he went on to shine, as we all know.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:26:15 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: Brian Smith Subject: Re: George Harrison died-more info please? Message:

where was he? when did he pass? can not find a single thing on the net about it yet. some posts on his website allude to it but nothing to fill out the picture. so strange. around midnight i felt this deadness, like everything was done and there was abslutely nothing left to do. havent felt it since my mother had a massive stroke 25 years ago. is there a given time it was pronounced official? I am in los angeles. was he here in the city at the time?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:09 (EST) From: Obituary Email: None To: janet Subject: It started as lung cancer... Message:

... and eventually ended with a brain tumor. [ George Harrison Obituary, ABC news... ]

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:03:30 (EST) From: cq Email: None To: janet Subject: Re: George Harrison died-more info please? Message:

George Harrison - Obituary http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,609545,00.html [ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:09:13 (EST) From: I think it was Email: None To: janet Subject: Brain cancer. Message:

He was in L.A. to recieve exprimental treatments, but he had stopped eating and his family was told he could die any time now.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:16:21 (EST) From: Bobby Email: None To: I think it was Subject: was throat cancer Message:

George went through throat cancer and treatments the same time I did. I understand he wasn't afraid of death and neither am I. This life is all very impermanent and brief. As George sang: 'it's all too much' George with prayerful look

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:24:35 (EST) From: Sad Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Re: was throat cancer Message:

The cancer started in his throat, went to his lungs, then to his brain. He changed my life when I was young. He will be missed.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:39 (EST) From: salsa Email: None To: I think it was Subject: Lung cancer. NT Message:

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:38:04 (EST) From: Zelda Email: None To: janet Subject: he was in LA Message:

LONDON (Reuters) - George Harrison, who shot to worldwide fame with the Beatles, has died 'with love on his mind' in Los Angeles after a long fight against cancer, a family friend said Friday. almost full moon knows it too

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:02:29 (EST) From: Kaj Email: None To: Zelda Subject: premie rumours about George Message:

I always liked George, he had such a humble appearance. I remember in the early 70s, there was a premie rumour that Bubblegumji, after hearing 'My Sweet Lord' om the radio, said: 'This man will soon receive Knowledge'. Anybody else heard that rumour? Then there was another rumour as well, claiming that George one day was supposed to have called up the Palace of Peace in London, saying: 'Hello, I'm George Harrison, can I receive Knowledge?' After it was explained to him about the aspirant process etc, he supposedly dropped his interest. Again, I don't know the truth about this story. Can it be confirmed?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:25:24 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Kaj Subject: WISHFUL Thinking on Maha's part [nt] Message:

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:46:10 (EST) From: Bobby Email: None To: Kaj Subject: Re: premie rumours about George Message:

In early September of '71 when M first came to New York. We had a townhouse on 10th street. When settling into his room, next to the knowledge room in the basement, somehow mention of the song 'My Sweet Lord' came up. I was there when M responded with words to the effect 'He will' to someone's mention of the verse 'I really want to see you'.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:53:07 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: Kaj Subject: George was in a different cult. Message:

George Harrison wasn't in Captain Rawats cult, he was in the Harry Krishnas. He bought them a big mansion outside London. Anth

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:58:12 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: Zelda Subject: george had the distinction of... Message:

being the only person in the world who ever offered maharaji a rolls royce, and having maharaji decline to take it from him. Olivia Arias, his wife..who is now his widow.., has been a premie since at least 1974, that i know of. her sister Linda, also a premie, once invited me to go with her to their recording studios at Darkhorse to help her do some office stuff that year, but i didn't take her up on it. Jiva was recording there at the time. I think George offered Maharaji the Rolls as a kind of aspirant gift, but Maharaji said he wouldn't accept it because George didn't really understand the scope of what was required to receive Knowledge. Looking back, George was saved from a lifetime of being duped, by that scenario. That was Real Grace. George wanted to see His Sweet Lord, and I think tonight his realness and willingness to wait and stay true to himself ushered him into the presence of his Lord as he deserved it. I would far rather listen to 'My Sweet Lord' and sing the words to ARTI as he sang them, on the record, and think of him and how he led his life, than to remember them the way we were all swindled into uttering them and believing them and directing them at the fat bastard. If you have the song around in the house, play it and give a listen for the words in hindi as we used to sing them. You'll be able to pick them out in the chorus in the background. 'Guru bramha, guru vishnu.. guru deva.. guru sakshat tas mai shri guru veh, namah

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:23:01 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: janet Subject: Re: george had the distinction of... Message:

come to think of it, it's not hard to figure out the dynamic that was taking place, there: George never had to ask people for millions or adoration. he just was himself and did what he did, and it was spontaneously poured upon him. maharaji looked at that and hated him for it. to george, a rolls royce was nothing. he could have whatever he wanted, honestly, for honest talent and honest acclaim. he was world famous, known wherever he went, and the public and the press respected him and welcomed him for his accomplishments. that was something maharaji would envy, hate, resent and find insulting and galling. of course he wouldn't want a gift from George. he wanted to be more important than him, more revered, more celebrated, more received, honored, recognized, loved--and he couldn't be. would never be. George would always be bigger than he was.So of course he would spurn the gift. It would expose too much truth if he had taken it. In fact, it would have damned his soul to hell, for all times and for all to see, so he quickly devised an excuse to dodge it. He didn't want George's Rolls Royce, he wanted his soul, and George was sharp enough not to fall for it. So Things stayed as they should--clean, right and true, and George never stained his soul with the likes of such a pompous, assinine pretender. He kept ownership of his own mind and soul and waited for the real thing. And I am quite convinced he made the right choice, and I'm sure he got his ultimate reward, tonight.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:19:12 (EST) From: Friend of George and Olivia Email: None To: janet Subject: Maharaji hated George Harrison? Message:

Because he had a Rolls Royce and a shitload of cash? That is sick baby, sick. Totally untrue. By your great and noble truths those would surely be the first thing he would relieve George of. Right? That is what Maharaji is in it for after all. Isn't he? Oh, you haven't quite decided? It changes according to your dark whims? You are a very strange bunch of people who agree with the twisted cretin above who made such outrageous slurs about someone she knows zero about. Make that two people. For your information, George really dug Maharaji - but don't let that get in the way of any wicked stories you'll come up with to keep the empty minds entertained for another day.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:32:55 (EST) From: Hal Email: None To: Friend of George and Olivia Subject: Wrong , George was unimpressed Message:

Ask Olivia - Even Charanand had no impact on George. He thought that Maha was just another fast food yoga salesman. Olivia wanted him to get nollij and invited various premies up to the manor to try and seduce George but no result. George certainly did not dig Maharaji but only tolerated his wife's involvement in the rip off because he loved and respected her.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:00:43 (EST) From: Kelly Email: karen@ringrose.org.uk To: Hal Subject: Re: Wrong , George was unimpressed Message:

Hi Hal, I just wanted to say hello..but also to support you, I once spent a day on a beach in Miami maybe 1978 with one or two friends and Olivia was there. Can you imagine her position? Her husband was worshipping the supreme personality of Godhead i.e. Krisna and, for her part she knew that M was that self-same being..in the flesh!! We touched on this but mostly we just swam and sunbathed..She did make it clear that George respected M and that she was still hoping he could be persuaded! Hows life with you? luv Kelly

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:54:52 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Hal Subject: Maharaji was Envious of George...I bet... Message:

I could just picture it: you've got a Beatle, famous around the world, in the money, very handsome and tall and thin, and he wasn't selling devotion to himself, just his music, as well as helping out people in true need. Then there's Maharaji, a nobody guru from India with virtually no fame or name recognition in the world (except for the one m made up in his twisted mind), hawking himself as god-in-a-bod, so he could collect cash, checks, gifts, and of course, people. I would speculate he was extremely envious of George Harrison.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:54:42 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Hal Subject: George recorded Charanand Message:

According to Charanand himself, as he told the story earlier this year, George Harrison recorded him singing bhajans. The way he told the story, he was proud of having been in George's studio.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:52:49 (EST) From: Joy Email: joyfenwick@onetel.net.uk To: Friend of George and Olivia Subject: Hey friend . . . A couple of questions Message:

Instead of slinging insults at the majority of us who loved and revered George because of a couple of comments one person made (a habit I've noticed premies who visit here tend to have -- deflecting attention from the major issues), could you possibly say a thing or two about George and Olivia that might be helpful to people here? For instance, is Olivia still a premie? I know she was around 1979 when I once rode to the Miami airport in a car with her, from the Miami Convention Center, all of us bound for LA (where I lived at the time doing graphics service out at SHIP). What was/is the extent of her involvement with Maharaji? She and George must have had a great deal of respect for each other's spiritual paths to be married all those years and in different traditions. How did that work for them? Care to engage anybody here in any civilized dialogue about it? If you really did know them, I'm sure you must be very sad right now, but we'd all like to hear anything you'd care to tell us and hopefully we could keep it from becoming a premie-vs-ex slanging match. --Joy

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:10:42 (EST) From: Vicki Email: None To: All Subject: Question Message:

When you first heard about M and knowledge, were you out looking specifically for something or were you introduced to it at a vulnerable or uncertain time in your life? I ask this because I have not heard of anyone who was at the heighth of their career, madly inlove, or happy/content with their homelife and then chucked it all the minute they heard about M. Charanand always said M told him the hippies were his gonna-be devotees, so don't criticize their drugs. Did he and Mahta size up the rich with possiblilies dysfunctional west and knew we were ripe for the picking? It's not as if he started out giving seminars in country clubs and corporate office spaces.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:02:19 (EST) From: PatC Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Answer - I'd hit rock bottom... Message:

...and thought I needed help. Well, the help came with strings.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:46 (EST) From: Chuck S. Email: None To: Vicki Subject: At a vulnerable time... Message:

I first heard about M&K at a vulnerable and uncertain time in my life. I had just moved to California a few months previously. I had a good paying job, a had my first boyfriend and I had moved in with him a few weeks earlier, and life was looking pretty peachy. Then there was a construction accident at work, where a stack of 2 tons of steele beams toppled over onto me, crushing me under a construction fence. I thought I was going to die, it was a near-death experience for me. It left me very aware of my mortality, and that death could come at any time. I had always been a "truth seeker", and now felt a new urgency to connect with something meaningful in my life. I was only 20 years old. I was far from family and friends. The boyfriend lost interest in me (my front teeth were smashed-out), began having sex with other men while I was still living with him, and wanted me to find someplace else to live. I was on crutches and painkillers for months. I met this group of gay hippy-premies in the Haight Ashbury, who were fun-loving and very kind to me. One thing let to another, and I recieved K on Christmas Eve, 1981.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:11:26 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Re: Answer Message:

I was absolutely not searching for truth, religion, or a gugu. Although, at the time, in 1975, I was very vulnerable, even though I was 21. When I look back at it now, it was premies and community that attracted me, had to be--I'd never met the urug. Yes, I believe I needed a community. I became an atheist at age 15 so I wouldn't have looked for community in mainstream religions. I, well, I just got caught. Now, I've released myself from his bondage. I still miss the feeling of the community. Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:24:49 (EST) From: Chuck S. Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: Answer Message:

Hi Cynthia: Are you all keeping warm there in the mountians? I found the warmth, humor and loving kindness of the gay premie community in the Haight-Ashbury in the early 1980's to be very seductive. They were so unlike other gay men, or so I thought, I really hadn't had much experience with gay men. But they were part of a gay premie community, and that made them different from other gays I'd met. That sense of community is very attractive when you are feeling weak and vulnerable. I know what you mean about religion, too. I also was attracted to K because it was not a mainstream religion, in fact, everyone kept insisting it was NOT a religion at all, but an experience. And whenever anything seemed weird about M or K, the premies just emphasized feelings over reason, they were often willing to sacrifice reason in favor of emotions, instead of keeping them both, balancing one with the other. I just eventually just bought into that sloppy thinking, without really even realizing it. I guess most of us did. It was easy to do at the time, but there was still a price to pay for it down the road. I guess you could say it was youthful immaturity on our part? The wisdom of hindsight was the one thing we did not have back then.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:54 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Chuck S. Subject: Re: Answer Message:

Hi Chuck, Actually, it's too warm here. I don't mind it, but our local economy depends upon weather. Yesterday we had snow and freezing rain, then the temperature went up to 50 deg. F today and it's pouring out. Ya can't even make snow when it's that warm out. I was weak and vulnerable because I had a rough homelife. Having a new, and ''perfect'' father was very appealing to me. I think that m breaking down the communities and gagging the premies was the BEG-inning of the end, at least in the west.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:00:14 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Both/hippies/Bill Patterson Message:

I was both very young, and vulnerable, and I was, subconsciously, looking for a way out of the uncertainty that was in my life at the time I encountered premies. M seemed to offer a simple way of ending the uncertainty. [One thing about Maharaji that I think people mistake as an indication that what he says actually has some substance, which I do not believe does, is that he ALWAYS speaks with absolute certainty, which I think is from him believing in who he is, having been told so since he was born, not from any kind of profound understanding, and because he learned that if you say anything that way, some people will accept it as profound. Most people, especially Westerners rarely hear someone speaking with such absolute certainty, and it does have an effect on some.] Regarding the hippie statement. You can't believe anything Charanand ever said, and I understand he has admitted of late that he just made things up to make Maharaji seem all-knowing and powerful, etc., partly to help feather his own nest. But if that statement about 'hippies' is true, I think it came from the fact that the first Westerners who encountered Maharaji in India were hippies who did a lot of hash. Many of the 'Gurus' in India actively 'courted' these Westerners as a way to gain fame and money in the West, especially after seeing what the Beatles did for the Maharishi in the 60s. Bill Patterson used to tell a great story about how he went to India as a youth seeking "truth" and encountered a number of Gurus, several of whom offered him prestigious places in their ashrams so that they could get an American devotee who might be a means of tapping into the money and fame in the West. Of course, he ended up with M, and helped do just that for him. BTW, I spoke with a premie who is "questioning" last night and this person said that Bill Patterson was put in charge of South America by M, but was given no funds to operate. Apparently due to this and other unsavory things M did to him, Bill rejected Maharaji some years ago, and was very angry at him. Anyone know where he is now?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:44:38 (EST) From: RMandrake Email: None To: Joe Subject: Joe, Excellent insight on M Message:

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:13:34 (EST) From: la-ex Email: None To: Joe Subject: Joe:a ? and an answer Message:

Question: What did you hear about charanand lately that indicated that he lied or exaggerated about m? Answer:Regarding Bill patterson, I have heard from a close friend of his that Bill rejected m many years ago, but unfortunately he had a severe accident about 5 years ago, and is having a hard time even doing basic functions in his everyday life. He had many complaints and inside stuff to share about m, but is probably unable to remember or talk about them now....very sad, if true, as Bill was a very sincere and enthusiastic guy....

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:10:52 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: la-ex Subject: Gurucharanand/Patterson Message:

I would have to look in the archives, but I recall somebody having a fairly recent conversation with Charanand about all the things he said in the past, and as an explanation, he said he either made up or exaggerated things, just to make Maharaji sound more significant, or something to that effect. That's awful to hear that about Patterson. I really liked that guy, and he was always very kind to me. He carried a lot of water for M, cleaned up a lot of his messes, and should never have been treated in such a rotten fashion. Knowing the TOTAL ONE-POINTED DEVOTEE Bill was, it must have been truly a outrageous series of events for him to reject M.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:21:26 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: la-ex Subject: That's sad to hear... Message:

Bill Patterson was one guy who was reachable, energetic, and kind. I think m really abused him badly and all the time. Where ever he is, I send him my good thoughts... Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:57:22 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: That's sad to hear... Message:

I agree Cynthia. Bill was a real human being as was Mishler. I was proud to have worked with them in what we thought was a noble cause. Bill, for all his humanity, seemed to be tortured trying to live up to M's impossible criteria. I wish Bill, his sister, brother and mother all the very best. Richard

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:23:09 (EST) From: PatC Email: None To: Richard Subject: My loving thought to Bill Patterson too Message:

He was a real premie/lover. I hate hearing about awful things that have happened to people who left Rawat. I sometimes wonder how much of a role grief and depression has in these misfortunes and if they could have been avoided if they had the exes to help them deprogram the Maharajism juju. The ex cybercommunity is very important to help people get the former LOTU in proportion, to go beyond their grief and fears.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:08:31 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Adolescence Message:

Not much experience of the world. Naive and believing, young, peer pressure, innocence and purity. See in a way, Maharaji is the ultimate paedophile. Interesting thought and a right on comparison. Tonette

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:45:08 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Hmmm how interesting ! Message:

I think it is true... that 'feelings' especially unspecified ones, or of trust and devotion are not the central issue in the board rooms of multinational companies. perhaps 'feelings' pray upon vulnerability because TO feelings we are vulnerable. oh Gosh..... how to express more clearly.. aaargh Loafie xx

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:14:14 (EST) From: Michael McDonald Email: None To: All Subject: I'm changing my handle to McDuck Message:

because Michael McDonald takes too long to type and it sound so frigging formal. 'McDuck' is a nickname from about 1974, given to me by one of Mr Rawat's current instructors, and it's still in use today. Who knows, it may change my cyberpersonality. McDuck

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:03:38 (EST) From: such Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: ok, takin it to da stweets... Message:

so, maybe you gonna be in da Fiesta Bowl now, Mr. McDuck...

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:08:18 (EST) From: McDuck Email: None To: such Subject: Re: ok, takin it to da stweets... Message:

Lost on me, such, I'm Australian. Please explain.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:27 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: McDuck Subject: A shot Message:

Such can correct me if this isn't what he meant. The University of Oregon (or is it Oregon State?) football team (American football, not soccer)are known as the 'Ducks.' I think they are doing quite well this year, and may get an invite to the 'Fiesta Bowl' (one of the many 'bowl games' (Rose, Orange, Cotton, etc.) around New Years. I think that's what Such means, unless, of course, he meant something else. Joe (whose boyfriend is amazed he so loves football and was so happy to see the Rams lose last week --- BTW: Go 49ers and Go Raiders!!!!)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:23:38 (EST) From: McDuck Email: None To: Joe Subject: Thanks, Joe NT Message:

xx

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:44:32 (EST) From: Forum Duck Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck Message:

Well, I've been a duck all my life and it never hurt me. Just watch out for those hunters though. Quack

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:20:51 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck Message:

Regarding your statement: Who knows, it may change my cyberpersonality. Are you saying your posts are not what they're quacked up to be. Nice to see you enjoying yourself. We have a few laughs here in between guru bashing, don't we?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:46:45 (EST) From: Harobed Email: None To: Deborah Subject: guru bashing? Message:

tutti frutti your a real barrel of laughs aren't you just? Put your fucking password back on, this is like shooting fake ducks in a gallery. get's kinda boring

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:51:38 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Harobed Subject: Roupell TROLL Alert! Message:

This is a friend of yours, McDuck. You keep good company. BTW Roupell, we need passwords because of you and your psycho cult head posts and all your sick incarnations.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:17:23 (EST) From: . Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Re: Roupell TROLL Alert! Message:

Maybe McDuck should have changed his name to McDuh. Are all Aussie blokes so dumb?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:31:52 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: . Subject: Just say NO...to... Message:

engaging these things, these trolls, Deborah. Soon we will be safe and sound in a new place. It's not worth your time to even give them your attention. ())

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:32:13 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: I'm trying Cynthia... Message:

You have to give me credit for how many times I restrained myself ;) but I do question McDuck's integrity having Roupell as a friend. Would you stand by causually while your friends behaved this way.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:46:05 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: All Subject: Question for Rich Mandrake Message:

Did everyone attending the San Diego program have to be searched and go through metal detectors?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:28:36 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Donations in CASH Message:

This indicates to me that the money is going to Maharaji directly. With cash, it is impossible to determine where the money is going, and if wasn't going directly to Maharaji's pocket, there would have been no reason to ask for CASH. Like Rich said, the hall rental was at most a few hundred dollars, if even that, and the other expenses maybe amounted to a few thousand dollars, and if 35,000 to 40,000 dollars was collected at just this event, multiplied by Westchester, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and now Seattle, we are approaching a quarter million, with maybe $10,000 in costs. Making the statement that this was NOT Elan Vital's 'event' was also important, because it Elan Vital was sponsoring an event for the purpose of money going to an individual (Maharaji), they would lose their tax-exempt status if it was discovered. Hence, EV had to say it had nothing to do with it. That's why there was nothing on the EV website about it, and why EV did not in any way announce the event, officially. What is astounding, though, is that they would LIE to the premies and tell them that the event was 'expensive' and they needed the $100, IF NOT MORE, to cover the costs of the 'event.' That is obviously a huge lie. Since Maharaji has residences all over the world, and his personal expenses are astronomical, if donations are down, this is a way for him to line his personal pockets.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:46:11 (EST) From: RichMandrake Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Hi Marianne... Message:

Yep...There was a metal detector at the entrance. We werent frisked..at least I wasnt. They had those trays were you put all your metal objects(.coins..cell phones....roach clips etc.) .and then you walk thru the Metal detector into the Promised Land. Although the prevailing opinion seemed to be that this was a result of 911, I kinda thought Maharaji is becoming more aware of the ex-premies and the potential for an expression of anger as his behavior becomes more publicized...What do you think , Marianne??.....Here is a repost of my reply to a few questions by Michael Donner and others Thanks Everyone for your Words of Support I very Much appreciate them...and it looks like One troll got the password... To answer a few questions: Although I have been a regular contributor to Maharaji until I found EPO this summer, there are no premies in San Diego with whom I have much contact.. Thus no one was particularly aware of my recent Ex-hood. I did tell the head of the Contribution program at Elan Vital the reason why I was no longer donating to Maharaji, but apparently that did not get me on the Black List. I was contacted by a woman who is one of the major church ladies here. She told me in hushed tones that Maharaji was having a Special event here in San Diego in a few days. She Called it an Appointment. She told me that I was invited and as a San Diego Premie I would be sitting in the front. She also told me Maharaji had been having other events like this around the country and he had been have question and answer sessions at them (to my memory though this proved to be inaccurate). Then she explained that since Maharaji wanted this very private I should NOT TELL ANYONE about the event. She said that premies from San Diego and Orange County (not Los Angeles) were invited and they were expecting 500 people. Further, the event was paid for by a private party..NOT Elan Vital. and because it is very expensive ...It would REALLY Help if I could give as much as I could. The requested donation was $100 but if I could give more that would be Greatly appreciated….and CASH is Preferred. I had the distinct impression that whoever she was in contact with was stressing the need to maximize donations..and Cash. What else?...Well..There were metal detectors at the doors much like going thru an airport terminal. I had a mini tape recorder in my blazer pocket ( to record my question and his answer for posterity) but when I saw the Metal detector, I ditched it in my car. The venue itself was a meeting room in a moderately upscale Hotel in Del Mar. I had been to a Real Estate Seminar or such there before. I cant imagine it costing more than $500 to rent for a Saturday afternoon. There were no concessions at the event. I did not pay cash as requested. The check was to be made out to 'Appointment Event.' Maharaji spoke for an hour and accepted the Premies grateful prostrations for another hour. Quick , Dirty and Profitable. Contrary to what my Church Lady had told me, Premies from as far away as Santa Barbara had been invited. I suspect that anyone who had been a recent contributor in Southern California had been invited. There was no 'Darshan' at the event. Money was only brought up by the churchlady…No..actually I remember Maharaji weaved several metaphors about gold bricks and other allusions of monetary gain into his 'satsang'…I was thinking to myself at the time that this accurately reflected his real priorities. He did mention something about another program coming up..but I forget exactly what he said…I believe it might have been when one of the Premies alluded to missing 'Darshan'..without saying the word……and he suggested that there may be something coming up…but my memory is vague on that…. Upon leaving the program I did a quick estimation of the attendance figure…counting rows and columns. I estimate the attendance was probably around 350-400 devotees of the Former Lord God. And one or two monmots. Thanks again Everybody…You're incredible people. Im thinking we should democratically elect a Satguru from amongst us..…and have our OWN Darshan Event….just for old times sake…Whatdyathink??..Any other questions?..RichMandrake.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:47:36 (EST) From: Abi Email: None To: RichMandrake Subject: how sleazy and tacky Message:

It just seems to get more revolting. Such a transparent con. How can anyone in their right mind fall for it. Bleh!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:30:43 (EST) From: Nick Email: None To: RichMandrake Subject: Another question for Rich Message:

Rich When you paid your cash, were you given a receipt - as in, is the money going through the books? Nick

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:53:56 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: RichMandrake Subject: OMG! How easy it would be! Message:

Want your trust funds back guys? They're doing programs in cash now? That's too rich! Time to go and tip the till, not with a gun mind you, no something more sly. Oh how easy it would be! Not even that challenging but a thrill never the less and oh so satisfying. How very interesting. Thanks for that.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:28 (EST) From: ben Lurking Email: None To: Tonette Subject: Re: OMG! How easy it would be! Message:

If an Ex goes they should give $100 bucks and document it, its either a chairitable contirbution to EV or a GIFT to M which may be taxable income. Why would a legitimate business / church want cash instead of checks unless it was TO INTENTIONALLY AVOID PAYING TAXES. Is this M's goal? Hell give him $650 in cash and then file a 1099 on him.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:35:40 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: ben Lurking Subject: Great Idea ben... Message:

File a 1099! LOL! Let's see, if the IRS gets a lot of 1099s on him, and the figures would be high, well, maybe he'd just lose his tax-exempt status. What a freak!

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:07:51 (EST) From: Julian Email: None To: All Subject: Bjorn the Spiteful is posting on LG & AG Message:

He's using just his initials. Thought some of you might be interested.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:19:09 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Julian Subject: Don't engage him on AG Message:

AG is for those of us who enjoy having a laugh and light conversation. The guy is a fuckin creep. And he called San Francisco (I think it was public defender's office) to get Marianne in trouble on more than one occasion. Can we do it for her, if not for the rest of us, or yourself? He is a psycho and his posts are disturbing and only pollute the pages. He is obsessed w/exes even in non-ex fora.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:28:51 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Agree with Deb Message:

Bjorn sent emails to the San Francisco Public Defender's Office -- where CAC said I worked -- to complain about me being a cyberstalker. I do not and never have worked there. Even after the people he emailed told him I did not work there, he continued to send emails accusing me of crimes. These emails are sufficient basis for a civil lawsuit against Bjorn and the CAC authors who falsely stated I worked at the San Francisco Public Defender's Office. Bjorn is a dangerous, loose cannon. Ignore him. Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:03:31 (EST) From: The Lord of the Universe Email: None To: All Subject: Come fly with me Message:

How exciting to be with me one more time. Come to Hall B of the Miami Beach Convention Centre one more time. (1901 Convention Center Dr. Miami Beach, FL on Washington Street). I think there are a few of those helium balloons still stuck on the rafter for you to look at until I take the stage. The schedule is as follows: Session 1 - Saturday, Dec. 8, at 5:00 pm (17.00). Session 2 - Sunday, Dec. 9, the last session is expected to end around 2:00 pm (14.00) or earlier if I'm tired or hungover. You can begin to register late tonight online. Don't forget your SmartCard if you have one. The registration is a bundle. I need some getaway cash. All this talk of viruses is making me thirsty for another cognac. Hey Frenchies--bring me some duty-free bottles, will you? Use my travel agency, Bestway Travel--Miami Telephone: 800-938-0786 (from within USA) or 305-861-7005, email at info@bestway.it register online at www.bestway.it. I need the kickback. I look forward to seeing you there at my feet. It may be your last chance to see me in person. When I call, you come! JSCA!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:57:52 (EST) From: such Email: None To: The Lord of the Universe Subject: Smartcard? but marji NO like plastic,Himself!!! [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:59:59 (EST) From: such Email: banana@irs.gov.us.org/y To: such Subject: marji like CASH! no money trail!!! [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:59:32 (EST) From: bill Email: None To: The Lord of the Universe Subject: one week might be enough time [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 21:22:36 (EST) From: Michael McDonald Email: None To: All Subject: I just posted without a PW Message:

in one of the threads below. What gives?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:18:02 (EST) From: Moll of Mole Email: mollofmole@loveable.com To: Michael McDonald Subject: Re: I just posted without a PW Message:

test

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:24:08 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: you're between worlds Message:

random events occur in clusters. the solar flares are playing havoc with the transmissions. nothing is behaving as it was planned to. don't count on anything happening the same way twice. be prepared. and passwords are not to be shared, nor is information about them to be made public, by anyone but the one who issues them. communicate with that person in private. you could have emailed the FA. next time,think twice, act once.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:28:38 (EST) From: Michael McDonald Email: None To: janet Subject: Re: you're between worlds Message:

Could I think twice, and then have a coffee break, before I get around to acting?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:33:34 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: Re: you're between worlds Message:

well, it depends on what time of day it is and what you plan to be doing. the coffee does rather tend to modify what one can engage in afterwards. choose your beverage with careful consideration. and leave time enough for the bathroom, before approaching your task subsequent. err in haste, regret at leisure, you know.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:36:53 (EST) From: Michael McDonald Email: None To: janet Subject: Thanks for the help, Janet NT Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:58:40 (EST) From: Suzanne Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: Michael....SSSSSSSSH (duh!) Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:23:44 (EST) From: Michael McDonald Email: None To: Suzanne Subject: I can be dumber of I try NT Message:

xx

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:26:55 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: literally. please do. Message:

it won't happen again. the loophole has been closed. is your fly open too?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:31:30 (EST) From: Michael McDonald Email: None To: janet Subject: Re: literally. please do. Message:

Doesn't everybody type with their fly open?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:43:08 (EST) From: janet Email: None To: Michael McDonald Subject: i think Jim does. Message:

but then, he's especially proud of it, it would seem.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:40:02 (EST) From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: Michael McDonald Subject: You're hilarious Message:

Thanks for all of your contributions, substantive and comical.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:53:42 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Marianne Subject: No! You're hilarious Message:

He alludes to using the computer with his fly open and you tell him his contributions are comical and substantive. How funny is that? })

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:03:11 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Hey Deb Message:

First of all, call me if you want. Secondly, I have no judgments about someone writing here with their fly open. We can't actually see it. Even if he's really doing it, who cares? As eDrek can tell you, I usually post in the nude. Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:10:52 (EST) From: Barbara +) Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Be sure to wear a full body condom Message:

with all these viruses and worms floating around, a girl can't be too careful.... You too, McDuck. A guy can't be too careful either. ~)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:08:24 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Is that comfortable? Very OT? Very OT? Message:

Thanks for the phone invite. Think I'll take you up on that this weekend. Did you ever see the EverReady battery commercial with this guy at the computer in his underwear and he says in a mock commercial, 'You can even sit at the computer in your underwear, and buy underwear, at inyourunderwear.com (while the pink bunny goes by) It's pretty funny.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:11:08 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Deborah Subject: I grew up with 4 big brothers Message:

Nothing guys do at all phases me. Give me a ring now if you want or this weekend. Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:14:49 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Check email (OT) Message:

Hi Marianne, I don't have phone yet. I'm also under stress because I don't have rent until next week. Even then, I'll be a bit short unless I can borrow. Can you phone me at (250) 721-8342. I'll wait for a few minutes. Thanks, Deborah

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