Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Nov 26, 2001 To: Nov 30, 2001 Page: 4 of: 5


Jethro -:- An ex-premie's article -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:49:42 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Anyone invited Arthur for a chat? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:43:33 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- I Have -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:33:28 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Linked it on EPO -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:24:55 (EST)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Larkin's broken link -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:27:12 (EST)
__ __ __ Larkin -:- Re: Larkin's broken link -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:03:39 (EST)
__ Brian Smith -:- Excellent Story ! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:45:42 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Arthur has been here before -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:34:50 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- Thanks for that link, Jethro. Great stuff -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:58:42 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- We have to cut and paste -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:03:59 (EST)
__ Disculta -:- Re: An ex-premie's article -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:53:33 (EST)

Pat :C)onlon -:- I still keep looking over rmy shoulder -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:02:34 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- Look what happens after just a week away! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:20:51 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- The answer is NO! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:24:30 (EST)
__ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Re: Look what happens - MORE CAC ATTACKS -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:02:13 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Hey, Deborah and Pat -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:09:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- I just said this Deb off forum -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:30:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Hey, Deborah and Pat -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:25:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Dammit! Forum ate my reply! -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:13:19 (EST)

Marianne -:- Forum history and access -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 22:16:55 (EST)
__ Joe -:- In the BEGinninnng..there was Scott Perry... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:00:51 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Not exactly -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:52:19 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- It was a joke, Jim... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:01:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Ouch! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:18:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- It was a great joke, Joe and Jim's -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:18:52 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- Re: In the BEGinninnng..there was Scott Perry... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:55:35 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- Forum Intro page -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:32:08 (EST)
__ Brian Smith -:- Now this makes sense -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:17:49 (EST)
__ Lesley -:- Protection -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:06:49 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- A funny thing happened on the forum -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:44:32 (EST)
__ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- The last great cult terrorist spam attack -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:42:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Brian Smith -:- I see, it starts with a D ends in anO -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:07:15 (EST)
__ Michael McDonald -:- Good suggestions -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:40:42 (EST)
__ __ Lesley -:- lol, really funny Michael, nt. -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:56:41 (EST)
__ such -:- Gospels how,why in the beginning... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:23:30 (EST)

Jim -:- Who said M never hyped Millenium? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:48:42 (EST)
__ Jim -:- But look what happened a year later -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:01:17 (EST)
__ __ Pullaver -:- Re: But look what happened a year later -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 23:59:10 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim Heller -:- Disappearing Text -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 20:38:46 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Talk about 'Wit and Wisdom'! -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:40:42 (EST)
__ __ Nigel -:- Comedy Classic!!!! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:11:42 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- ***YOU MIGHT WANT THIS TO, JM*** -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:20:49 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- Pathetic! Begging for money. -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:33:42 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Added to the archives -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:07:08 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Re: Added to the archives -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:08:13 (EST)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- For the girlfriend -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:44:00 (EST)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Missing link/previous post -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:08:42 (EST)
__ __ __ Pullaver -:- Bless This -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 23:33:27 (EST)
__ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Re: Missing link/previous post -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:14:53 (EST)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Gerry ? FA ? Link problem -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:10:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Let's try it one more time -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:18:36 (EST)
__ RichMandrake -:- Is this Letter Posted On EPO??O?? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:06:50 (EST)
__ Brian Smith -:- 30 days has Sept, April , May & Dec (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:22:49 (EST)
__ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- What about those born May & Dec 31st? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:24:40 (EST)
__ __ __ Brian S -:- Excuse me Pat, it is June not May -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:56:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- yep, 30 days has September... -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:12:40 (EST)
__ Joe -:- I remember those letters -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:18:34 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- Buckwheat Groats ! -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:57:21 (EST)
__ __ Michael McDonald -:- Re: I remember those letters -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:22:41 (EST)
__ __ __ Barbara -:- Peanut Butter & Apple Butter & Peace Plant -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:23:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Whatever happened to Apple Butter anyway? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:45:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- The Peace Plant -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:23:34 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Millennium Bars -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:25:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Here's a Millennium Bar photo -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:12:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- I get gas just by looking at it (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:36:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Michael McDonald -:- LOL (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:29:01 (EST)
__ Lesley -:- It's always been a game to him -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:51:17 (EST)
__ Pat :C)onlon -:- September 31? Yep, another time-warp or... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:06:09 (EST)
__ __ I hate the way you Americans -:- can't spell 'Millennium' NT -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:54:08 (EST)
__ __ __ Amurcan -:- We can't stand way Brits spell anything -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:37:41 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: can't spell 'Millennium' NT -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:37:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- I'm American and it's "Millennium" -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:58:39 (EST)

Francesca -:- My last post was just eaten -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:48:46 (EST)
__ Me Too -:- The Best Thing To Do -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:14:18 (EST)
__ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Eaten posts - don't despair -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:18:40 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- Great tip, easily solves the problem(nt) -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:40:06 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Eaten posts -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:53:57 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Pat, that won't work -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:13:18 (EST)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Hey, I've got a Cherokee Jeep! -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:34:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- just testing -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 15:01:34 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- That's what you get, Jim -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:42:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Keep the Jeep, Get new friends -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:15:07 (EST)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Gee Jim, sorry to hear that -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:49:08 (EST)
__ __ __ anonymous Carjacker.. -:- Donate the Jeep to the Lloyd.. -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:39:46 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Software and insurance aren't perfect -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:23:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Yes, words unbidden -- me too -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:50:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- that's a real bummer, Jim -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:29:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- A HUMVEE! -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:23:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- HUMVEE dealer in Ventura County -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:55:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Barbara -:- Stretch HUMVEES -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:11:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Easy to park too -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:48:22 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Misinformed, Pat -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:22:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- I'll definitely read about that, Joe. NT -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:12:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Jim, It's All Maya... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:49:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- P.S. Jim... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:01:23 (EST)

Francesca -:- The only secret? Slobbering devotion! -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:45:04 (EST)
__ PatC -:- The secret foot-fetish cult -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:57:07 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: The secret foot-fetish cult -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:04:36 (EST)

PatC -:- To all who emailed me for password -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:38:45 (EST)
__ Jim -:- Re: To all who emailed me for password -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:48:02 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- You are sooo naughty -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:51:31 (EST)

Joe -:- Printed Material from Websites -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:38:47 (EST)
__ Francesca -:- The Web never forgets -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:23:06 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- Re: Printed Material from Websites -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:19:13 (EST)
__ __ Well, that's weird.. -:- my post went through, but... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:21:40 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Hotboards glitches -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:25:12 (EST)

Jim -:- The forum just ate a long post of mine! -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:31:30 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Write your long posts in a WP... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:38:38 (EST)
__ Richard -:- I'm sure it was a **Best of Forum**, too. -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:51:26 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Funny .... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:36:00 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Maharaji's Ideas -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:05:39 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- Happened to me too! (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:02:41 (EST)

Gerry -:- F7: password needed to post -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:18:51 (EST)
__ John Macgregor -:- excellent move NT -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:47:07 (EST)
__ JHB -:- EPO Forum Page updated -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:11:07 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Great blurb, John -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:08:21 (EST)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Thanks Jim - updated -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:20:49 (EST)
__ magiclara -:- Test thanks for thepassword gerry nt. -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:04:15 (EST)
__ __ Pat :C)onlon -:- Hi mags, did you just email me now for password? -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:07:28 (EST)
__ Nigel -:- Suggestion.. -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:26:31 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- Re: Suggestion..ditto, Nige NT -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:34:05 (EST)
__ __ Nige -:- And further suggestion.. -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:32:31 (EST)
__ Jim -:- But what about respectful premies? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:45:26 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- Re: But what about respectful premies? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:57:49 (EST)
__ AJW -:- Passwords and POWER -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:38:44 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- Re: Passwords and POWER -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:04:54 (EST)
__ __ __ AJW -:- A sad fact of life. -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:30:39 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Re: Passwords and POWER -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:36:37 (EST)
__ Brian Smith -:- Raining on the parade -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:29:06 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- This is just the start -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:41:02 (EST)
__ __ __ Brian S -:- Gotcha loud and clear, thanks Pat, -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:22:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Is NT feature negated by pw feature? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:40:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Yes, it is. Please type NT from now on -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:42:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Can't passwords be automatic? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:47:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: Can't passwords be automatic? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:19:09 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Whew! What more can I say... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:23:39 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- Let's have a big hand for Pat & Gerry -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:06:42 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- I just hope -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:40:21 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Welcoming new people -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:43:04 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- Help need re Vicki's email -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:34:41 (EST)
__ __ __ Vicki -:- Re: Help need re Vicki's email -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:00:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Help need re Vicki's email -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:33:11 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- I'll email you to vouch for Vicki -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:36:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Vicki -:- God Bless You, Pat! (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:06:48 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- By gosh and begorrah, Vicki... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:44:47 (EST)
__ Francesca -:- This is a good idea Jerry -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:44:46 (EST)
__ __ Nigel -:- I agree, with one reservation..FA? -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:56:02 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Excellent Point, Nigel -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:21:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Also you have an ISP to complain to -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:46:34 (EST)
__ __ Richard -:- Agree: This is a good idea Jerry -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:50:42 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Re: F7: password needed to post -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:21:04 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: F7: password needed to post -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:32:17 (EST)
__ __ __ salsa -:- testing -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:37:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Re: testings !! -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:07:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- This might be just the ticket -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:44:22 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Moley -:- testing 2 -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 13:49:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Moley -:- Don't do wot I did folks -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 13:51:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Chuck S. -:- Testing here... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:04:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Chuck S. -:- I think I see it... -:- Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:10:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Moley -:- Thanks Chuck -:- Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:41:10 (EST)


Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:49:42 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: All
Subject: An ex-premie's article
Message:
http://www.arthurchappell.clara.net/brainwashing.htm
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:43:33 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Anyone invited Arthur for a chat?
Message:
This is amazing and too close for comfort!
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:33:28 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: I Have
Message:
He emailed me back promply, he says that he had posted here some time ago and that he will be be checking back in soon.

I explained the curent password situation and the reasons for it, he is fine with it and knows how he can get a password if he wants one.

He has the EPO and the 7 linked to his page

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:24:55 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Linked it on EPO
Message:
Ex-Premies Websites

Great journey !

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:27:12 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Larkin's broken link
Message:
Where's Larkin's page gone ?
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:03:39 (EST)
From: Larkin
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: Larkin's broken link
Message:
The page was suffering a viral attack
Please don't worry, it'll soon be back.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:45:42 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Excellent Story !
Message:
very well written account of this mans journey, where has Arthur been? He seems to have caught on to the Bogey Yogi and the Mindbenders a long time ago. I really appreciated what he had to say.

Has anyone heard from him before or has he ever posted on F7? If he has my apologies Arthur for missing your input.

I have to give Arthur credit for finding the courage and wisdom to take it upon himself to get himself out of the cult on his own and publicly acknowledge it on the internet.

I wonder how many more people who left years ago are out there with their untold stories of leaving the cult, this is interesting.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:34:50 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Arthur has been here before
Message:
I think it was a couple of years ago, which was probably Forum III or IV. He made a bunch of posts on the Forum. Interesting guy.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:58:42 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Thanks for that link, Jethro. Great stuff
Message:
Arthur Chappell starts by saying: ""I am an unusual atheist and Humanist in that the God I don’t believe in is still alive, and was last seen living in Malibu. His name is Maharaji.""
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:03:59 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: We have to cut and paste
Message:
Arthur Chappell starts by saying:
the link feature for now it seems, another PW casualty, I tried to include the link in my last post and it disappeared. I am sure you probably already know this Pat but it was new to me, a fix is on the horizon I assume.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:53:33 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Re: An ex-premie's article
Message:
Ha ha ha that gave me a larf...

That's pretty funny about the guy clapping politely in his first satsang.

Checking my password access now.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:02:34 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: I still keep looking over rmy shoulder
Message:
Posting here tonight feels like the last time I was mugged in SF (soon after first moving here.) The gangsters who did it added a fag bashing revenge attack to the mugging and left me with my nose on the side of my face which had to get fixed with plastic surgery. (I stopped walking around at night and bought a car after that.)

I was so freaked by the mugging that I was paranoid for 6 months and jumped whenever I heard someone approaching me from behind.

I still keep looking over my shoulder now for cultweasel muggers. This will take some getting used to but what's the bet a lot more people will want to post so be sure to publish your email address as often as possible in case someone who is reading wants to contact you.

If anyone contacts me with the desire to post I will ask that they give me permission to post their correspondence with me so that everyone here can see where they're coming from. We'll soon see who is for real and who is a cultweasel trying to sneak in.

Definitely, I feel sure many undeclared exes will come forward now that we have eliminated the cacroach muggers.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:20:51 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Look what happens after just a week away!
Message:
Geez, the spam must of really become unbearable.
I do applaude the efforts here but it is just a matter of a short time until the password is, let's say, passed around?
Call me cynical. I'll never tell though!
Are you guys going to miss CW, even a little? The guy does have a bit of a history here. Oh well.
I hope you had a throughly wonderful Thanksgiving Pat. I read a book by David Sedaris called 'Naked.' It made me think of you a little. The book is so funny I was laughing as I was reading! Thanksgiving was very restful and wonderful here. My family and I got out of town which was exactly what we all needed. I got to ride with my son in his mustang convertible and surprise, surprise we made the trip in record time! It was interesting to say the least.
Well, thanks for the password, now let's see if this essentially off topic post goes through.

Love, Tonette

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 17:24:30 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: The answer is NO!
Message:
you asked, Are you guys going to miss CW, even a little? The guy does have a bit of a history here.

And the history is all about deceit, threats, flaming, for purposes of dismantling the forum. It's not that he's a premie. It's what kind of a premie is he?

And do you realize, that he and Roupell are the number the top suspects in the CAC attacks?

Sure doesn't give me a warm feeling inside.

So, the short answer is NO. They won't be missed, not one iota.

Now, how are you doing? That I care about :)

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:02:13 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: Look what happens - MORE CAC ATTACKS
Message:
I guess my sigh of relief was too soon, Tonette. We are now being sent email viruses and the forum may (a BIG MAY until we know for sure) have been sabotaged by CACroaches.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:09:19 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Hey, Deborah and Pat
Message:
I know the cyber spam and attacks are serious. Sorry. I really had no idea that this has come to this level. I've seen you, Pat, delete threads and posts in the middle of my night. The janitorial duties did become immense. When are these trolls going to learn to aim for the toilet bowl?
I didn't really think that Cat was involved with the deplorable CAC attacks. But you would know better than me and I believe you.
Why in the hell doesn't Cat and Roupell and others start their own forum for pete's sake? I guess I know the answer to that question. The information here, the revelations, the dialogue is way too damning for Ralwat and Company. Time for us to go and EPO too!
I only hope with the know how here, on the internet, for the forum, that the spam and viruses will be remedied.
I still wonder, in a paranoid way, what exactly these Maharaji followers are capable of. Their approach in dealing with us is nothing short of terroristic. Their beliefs are grounded in fantasy. We are dealing with the bottom of the barrel with M. The die hards. I worry, worry, worry. Some of the spammers here remind me of the type of people who would not hestitate to bomb an abortion clinic. They're that out there. That's just me but I wanted to put my thoughts out here. These CAC people and the premies who would do such a thing are not nice people. Ralwat destroyed their moral geiger counter a long time ago. I was hoping that Catweasel would of been better than that but I never got to know him either. Come to think of it, Cat was always one to say the only thing that mattered was him, knowledge and Maharaji. Even after all the information about Maharaji that points to Maharaji being another not very nice, poor excuse for a human being type of person.
Deborah, thanks for the inquirary. Shit, I can't spell. Anyway, I'm fine thank you. Had a wonderful time getting out of Washington, DC because of all the hype and danger here. Loved getting a few days off from Univ. of Md. and my job. I would of gone to the Philadelphia program, since my husband and I were invited but I was working. I would of LOVED to report back here to the forum all that happened. Maybe next time. There will be a next time I am sure! Maharaji is trolling for money and the DC premies are those well educated ones, for the most part, that actually have good paying jobs. He'll be back in these woods. Mark my words.
I am a little bit like Marianne in my thinking. EV and M are a cult. Cults are dangerous and I have no idea of what the likes of Maharaji is capable of, nor his followers for that matter. There are other more pressing things in my life, however, I will do what I can to protect others from falling into the same henious trap I did.
I lost so little compared to most however, rape is never an experience one soons forget.

Love to you both, Tonette

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:30:53 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I just said this Deb off forum
Message:
None of us wants to become as fanatical as the cultweasels and become obsessed with it. It's best to stay light-hearted about it and just let it unfold, which it will.

We probably will never get Rawat but he really will become powerless and irrelevant. It's just a matter of sitting it out while the cultweasels figure out that the more they fight the worse they make things for the foot-fetish cult or maybe they will become really insane and do something that will get them in trouble.

Either way Rawat's dreams of expanding the cult in the west are over and may soon be over in India except for the peasants because the younger educated Indians have less respect for gurus than the New Age types in the west. His income will dry up.

If he still thinks he should spread K he will have to pay for it himself out of the money he ripped off from us in the past but it sounds like he is already hinting at retirement from prachar.

As Raja Ji said last week he's already spread the K to NEARLY every land. I think he'll settle for nearly now that the western cash cows are drying up.

He'll spin his failure to look like success and then retire and just do the foot-kissing at private gatherings for toothless old premies in diapers and oxygen tanks. The man's ego is overweaning.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 01:25:46 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: Hey, Deborah and Pat
Message:
Hi tonette,

Thanks for your considerate post. You say, Cat was always one to say the only thing that mattered was him, knowledge and Maharaji.

This describes Carlos, not Cat. It's easy to say that, but his actions speak louder than his devotional drivel. That statement only justifies what he does here. That's the cult logic speaking.
BTW, why do you still go programs? Is your husband still a premie, or would you be just going out of curiousity and/or the opportunity to be a mole? If that question is not too personal.

Deborah

p.s. I'm a University person as well. I have a work study postion on campus as well. Take care

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:13:19 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Dammit! Forum ate my reply!
Message:
I cannot find my reply! I wrote you one. I hate that.

Basically I said, yes I would go to a program in a second to see what's what. Maharaji is really out there trolling for funds.
My husband is no longer a premie but not an ex either.

Jai Sat Chit Anand (puke)
Your sister in His grace (dry heaves)

Tonette

What are you studying? I'm leaving nursing to become a high school health educator.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 22:16:55 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Forum history and access
Message:
Gerry and all: With the advent of experimental password access, perhaps there should be a link in the introductory paragraphs to a discussion of forum history and why it became necessary to institute the use of a password. We could explain how long EPO existed, how long there was unrestricted access, and why password access was instituted. CAC could be explained, and perhaps some posts from Catweasel and SC could be included, so newcomers understand why this decision was made.

Also there could be words of encouragement for premies who are just finding the site, and are in the process of sorting out their relationship with Captain Rawat. This section could include the names and emails of exes with whom they could safely and confidentially communicate while they decide if they want to post.

CAC and Bjorn just pushed me over the edge with all of this. We should protect ourselves.

Marianne

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:00:51 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: In the BEGinninnng..there was Scott Perry...
Message:
And Scott was in Pergatory with Ex-Premie.org and Forum I in the year of the earlier Perfect Master Jesus of Nazareth 1997. And with him were his disciples David Sterling and Jim Heller, who fought with the satan Mili and the venerable but demented OP. And behold, there was the new ex-premie Deena, followed by Selene, Anth and others, including the later flight of the Byronshires, entering the Kingdom which lacks feet-fetish. And then came Rick, Joe, Patrick of Anon, Sr. Nigel of Beatletown, Saints Katie and Brian and it was good.

More souls were saved and entered into the Kingdom without Foot festish and from overpriced, Visions trinkets, and lo and behold, one day St. Michael of Dettmers shed holy light from the land of the x-rated, on the Lord's greed and avarice, both chemical and sexual, and the flow into the Kingdom became a river.

The Lard of the Cultists tried vainly to keep his minions off the Internet through many gospels condemning and ridiculing the land of the Web, and directing his armies of lawyers from the clan of Milbank to vanquish the evil EPO. But, alas he failed, and seeing his failure he pulled from his array of rivisionist flip-flops and had his cultists fight back with armies of websites, most dying cruel and unspeakable deaths in the land of looking ridiculous in defense of that which is not defensible. He then conspired with his disciples to attack with CACisms, but that also could not stem the tide (apoligies for the unholy metaphors from the tribe of mixed).

And lo, the Forum was open to all, unlike the lands of the cultists, which engaged in the most vile forms of the evil censorships, but the cultists having lost the battles of the CAC,retreated into the lands of Catweaselists and Roupellites for the purpose of sowing confusion and postal clutter in the Kingdom without foot fetishes.

Thus came the decree from the celestial Forum Administrator and passwords were freely given to all, ending the plague of the locusts and the Catweaselists and Roulpellites, and all was well, at least for now.

And it was good.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:52:19 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Not exactly
Message:
Sorry, Joe, but if you're going to say it, say it right. I was the first. I started asking and posting about my former cult leader, a guy named Guru Maharaj Ji (ever heard of him?) on al.support.ex-cult. No one knew who the hell I was talking about at first. I think the first other ex who answered was William O. Williams, a guy out at UCLA who happened to be an ex but who had a general interest in cults as well. Then there were two others, Katie Darling, posting then as 'Unlimited', and Scott Perry. I think Rick also showed up for those first conversations as well, as did David Stirling.

Anyway, Scott ran a company which already had a website which, even five years ago, was a bit of a rarity. Scott contacted me and David Stirling and asked if we'd like to help put together a website. He'd do all the heavy lifting, we'd only have to decide with him on the details and pay equal parts of what was really a fairly nominal fee for putting EPO up.

We approached this project with lots of excitement and just a little trepidation. Scott was concerned about physical attacks as well as legal ones. I promised him then that, even though his name was on the line as registered owner of the site, I'd stand with him to then end should Maharaji ever sue. This was vague legally, of course, but it meant something to us then. Mind you, then as now, I knew that we had nothing to really worry about, truth being a complete defence to ridicule and criticism of one's former cult leader.

Scott did indeed get a threat or at least thought he did. Might not have been more than a few heavy breathing phone calls or something -- can't recall -- but it disturbed him. Plus, he felt that he needed to spend more time on his fledgling business AND, maybe even more importantly, he became uncomfortable with settling into such a critical mode as this endeavour necessitates. Scott was both an active Quaker and practicioner of A Course in Miracles. He just wanted to forgive everyone, not exactly a complementary ambition to confronting a false god. So, as Scott wanted to give up the forum and David had both the interest and background (he also knew his way around web design a bit), David took over. (That's not David Simpkiss, the current Dave we all know so well, but David Stirling).

After some time, David had a new baby and decided then that he, too, wanted out. Brian wanted to take a shot at it and so he took over. Katie soon joined him as his assistant and, well, the rest is all New Testament.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:01:09 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It was a joke, Jim...
Message:
Wasn't meant to be "exact."

Thanks for giving yourself the due you deserve, even if you do say it yourself.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:18:07 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Ouch!
Message:
Wasn't meant to be
Joe,

I wasn't sure what to say, thinking, quite correctly it turns out, that I'd get stung a bit here. Of course it was a joke and, like most of your jokes, it was funny. But, sorry, Joe, I just couldn't handle that disciple-ship to Scott. Call me egotistical. Call me a narcissist. Call me whatever. Damned if I did and frustrated if I didn't, I chose damnation -- mild damnation, I mean.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:18:52 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: It was a great joke, Joe and Jim's
Message:
...""revisionism"" was just so dull. ;)

Thank you all for putting it together.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:55:35 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: In the BEGinninnng..there was Scott Perry...
Message:
ROTFLMAO!!! This is great!
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:32:08 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Forum Intro page
Message:
A BOLD link in the preamble at the top of this page with advice to read the intro before requesting a password. Intro page with the history and some tips on how to get a pw and start posting (contact and ex, introduce yourself, talk and get to know us etc.)

It all sounds very civilized. In fact it sounds a lot like some of the specialist forums such as those for opera, orchids or ancient Greek history. This is a good development.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:17:49 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Now this makes sense
Message:
Because we will be laying the cards on the table, explaining how the present situation came to be. That way it doesn't seem quite so exclusive and forboding to the newcomer.

If someone is genuinely interested in examining the issues surrounding the cult and m, they will not be opposed to complying with the necessary security measures once they see why such inconviences were put in place.

It is a shame that we had to get to this point to protect the forum from sabotage, but that is the way it must be for now it seems.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:06:49 (EST)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Protection
Message:
I welcome these moves, a dizzying thought indeed that one need not brace oneself for a weasel's bite, and your excellent suggestions may indeed smooth the way to make it even easier for newcomers to make their first posts.

Lesley

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:44:32 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: A funny thing happened on the forum
Message:
late last night. I was up late, very late in fact, like after 3am or thereabouts and I was reading over the forum.

Suddenly there was this troll named Bozo papering the threads with one liners, quips and jabs. He was running through the posts in an apparent attempt to use up space and drive the threads off the board.

I followed him through a few posts until suddenly when the site reloaded, he was gone, all of his troll posts completly wiped off the boards. I guess the exterminator was up late working overtime, Thanks Pat.

I can see now why we went to the passcode system today, this little scenario just drives home another reason why we must resort to security measures around here.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:42:06 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: The last great cult terrorist spam attack
Message:
A night that will resound down the corridors of history.

Yep, it was ****. Good riddance.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 05:07:15 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: I see, it starts with a D ends in anO
Message:
Good Riddance to ****
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:40:42 (EST)
From: Michael McDonald
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Good suggestions
Message:
and the password seems to have brought about a continuum of fora to suit all tastes - from LG to F7 to RE and out to AG, where SC and CW (and those who choose to engage them) can be happily accommodated. No doubt the universe is unfolding as it should, like a road map which is difficult to put back together.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:56:41 (EST)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: lol, really funny Michael, nt.
Message:
xox
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:23:30 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Gospels how,why in the beginning...
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:48:42 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Who said M never hyped Millenium?
Message:
Even many of us exes incorrectly excuse Maharaji for the crazy hype over Millenium. We all know Bal Bhagwan Ji couldn't shut up about the aliens coming, the Comet Kahoutek, etc. but we're not sure about M. Well here's what he said in a letter to all the premies from Bonn, Germany on September 31, 1973 (Query: Is there even such a date?). The letter's printed in the 'Special Millenium '73 Edition' of the Divine Times, page 2, under the heading 'A Festival for the Whole World':

A LETTER FROM GURU MAHARAJ JI

Bonn, Germany
September 31, 1973

Dear premies,

First of all, I would like to tell you about something of great importance to all of us. Because we have realized this beautiful Knowledge which is of great bliss to us all, it is our duty to propagate it to the human race. For it is something they really need.

In the world there is suffering, hatred and dissatisfaction. That fact does not need proof. It is understood by all that the world is passing through a great moment. No one has satisfaction of mind nor can they find the solution to this. The world is looking for the Perfect Master to come and reveal the Perfect Knowledge of God. There is a supreme energy constantly vibrating in everything making it survive and all the Perfect Masters coem to reveal this Knowledge to people. We can attain all materialistic things and still not have peace, for peace lies inside not outside in materialism.

As you all know Millenium '73 is being prepared for now. This festival has been organized by Divine Light Mission each year since 1967, in the memory of the late Satgurudev Shri Hans Ji Maharaji on His birthday. This year the most Holy and significant event in human history will take place in America.

I think that Millenium '73 is a point where we can really get together and enjoy the bliss bliss [sic] with all of our borthers and sisters who are premies; and also tell the world that we have received and realized the permanent service [?] of Truth, Consciousness and Bliss which all the world is looking for in one way or manner.

To do this I really need your help. I really need the help of all the premies in all respects; physically, financially and all other ways to make Millenium '73 come off. This is a festival not for you or me. It is for the whole world and maybe the whole universe.

I hereby invite you to this Divine Festival of Peace, Millenium '73 and request all premies to help me financially, physically and spiritually to make the program manifest for all seekers of Truth.

Isn't it about time you all get together and help me bring peace to this Earth?

Blessings to you all,

[Sant Ji Maharaj]

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:01:17 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: But look what happened a year later
Message:
Sorry, Mike, but, well, nothing captures the fanaticism and confusion of the time better than your letter:

Salutations at the Lotus Feet of Satgurudev
DIVINE LIGHT MISSION
NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS
FIVE ELEVEN SIXTEENTH STREET
DENVER, COLORADO 80202
303-623-8280

6 September 1974

TO: DUO DIRECTORS

Dear Brothers:

Mahatma Jagdeo and I have been on the phone a good deal lately with Guru Maharaj Ji and others at the residence. It seems that during this time of apparent calm, the pot is being stirred. Last week I told you that Maharaj Ji has sent a letter throughout India declaring Mahatma Satyanand and Ram Babu 'anti-Guru'. In an important respect that letter was warning for Mata Ji and Bal Bhagwan Ji, as Ram Babu is one of their most trusted administrators. Rather than deter Mata Ji, it's pushed her further into action against Maharaji Ji. There are two new factions within the Mission in India. One loyal to Guru Maharaj Ji and one loyal to Mata Ji and Bal Bhagwan Ji.

Where this new level of division will go is hard to pinpoint at this time. But simultaneously in the U.S. Bal Bhagwan Ji and Bhole Ji are still very active with the new band -- and out of ignorance premies are still supporting them monetarily. Mahatma Tejeshwaranand has left the L.A. ashram to love with Bal Bhagwan Ji and Bhole Ji.

It's tiem for all premies to be clear about devotion. This is the main point that Guru Maharaj Ji is emphasizing now -- DEVOTION to one point, to the Perfect Lord. Without devotion no one can ever understand what this life is all about. Wihtout devotion we can never experience the peace that exists for us to enjoy. Without devotion there can be no understanding of how to live in this world.

Maharaj Ji wants all premies to be prepared for the storm and tests that are to come soon. But how to be prepared? Devotion is the only answer. Because we can explain this point and that point, but real understanding must come from the inside out. In many ways the safety of our family is at stake -- but real security has to be based in a consciousness from wtihin each of us. Guru Maharaj Ji is making everything clear for us now. We must be one pointed and doing His agya of service, satsang and meditation. If we are doing this agya each day then we will know how to act when Bhole Ji and Bal Bhagwan Ji come to town, or when a mahatma propagating the 'knowledge' of Bal Bhagwan Ji comes around. We cannot be in each city to deal with the confusion that comes and goes. Each premie must become clear and centered and one pointed.

[The next page is '3' although I can't tell if that's a typo or there's a page missing. I think the former.]

So this is the main point that Guru Maharaj Ji is making now. It's time to understand devotion and it's time to tighten up the ship. This is not a panic vibe however. The main thing to stress as a DUO director to all premies, is devotion now. But in your day to day service begin to tighten up security, communication and transportation. Encourage people to let each other know where we go when we leave the house or office -- how to keep in touch, etc., simple little things that should be standard operating procedures and matters of courtesy. As Mahatma Jagdeo would say, 'we must become like soldiers now, disciplined and brave.' Mahatma Ji is absolutely correct, but make sure you communicate and work on all this withotu creating panic or a crisis vibe. Service to Guru Maharaj Ji is our everyday life and we should just begin to take it more seriously now.

So now we can begin to see why Maharaj Ji has been trying so hard to keep us in the ashram and single. He wants us to be one pointed now and free to move quickly without other responsibilities other than to Him and the 'larger' family. We keep straining against Maharaj Ji's timeline. Let's surrender to His Will now and be ready to serve Him at all costs.

But while these relatively cosmic things are going on, our service is still day to day and must be practiced. It's a delicate balance that we must achive in our lives. To do professional service, to follow through, to work in this Mission as if it were going to last 1000 years and yet be so detached that we won't miss a breath if it ended tomorrow, is not an easy road. But, not only do we have to walk it but we have to try to head the other premies down the same narrow line. Everybody's devotion will not manifest in the same way but devotion is the watchword.

So when you go over the enclosed information -- drawing your attention to the packet about 'town councils', please see every opportunity that Maharaj Ji gives us as a tool that we are to use to hlep Him create devotion in our lives. Any way that we can get premies plugged into the flow of communication and dedication is for everyone's good.

I'd like each of you to please write back feedback about this info on 'town councils'. Over the next month or so we would like to establish a relatively uniform approach to greater community involvement. Each DUO director's input is very important.

I'm going on a Meditation Retreat this weekend with 200 or so Denver premies -- I hope to see you all in the light ....

Jai Satchitanand.

In love and service,

[Mike]

Mike Donner
National Executive Director

[Then the following is on the next page]

This is an excerpt from the September 2nd ashram mailing. It is concerning the letter Maharaj Ji wrote about Bhole Ji.

As His letter of 22 July regarding Bhole Ji indicates, the mood is changing. With the reissue of His statement regarding Bhole Ji and Bleu Aquarius, also came a letter that Maharaj Ji sent to all the countries of the world regarding two previously active and well-known premies. I am speaking of Mahatma Satyanand and Ram Babu whom most of you know. Maharaj Ji has declared them both manmath -- which means anti-guru, followers of their own minds. Both Maharaj Ji's stand regarding Bhole Ji and this declaration regarding Satyanand and Ram Babu are very strong, offensive blows against the subtle delusion that any of us are subject to falling into. If we didn't see these things as signs to guide us during this diffuclt time, then we are only foolish because through Satyanand and Ram Babu and Bhole Ji, Maharaj Ji is trying to help all of us come to a clear understanding that acutally the line that we walk is narrower than we sometimes think.

Mahatma Jagdeo feels that we are experiencing only the lull and the pressure before the storm and I really agree. It is time to hold on and be strong. It is time to catch firmly to satsang, service and meditation and to remember the one point in our life. Otherwise, we are likely to be blown to the hell of our minds.

So many of us feeling what you are feeling. So please be only with Guru Maharaj Ji during this time.


---
- Michael Donner

NOTE: By the agya of Guru Maharaj Ji, Tejeshwaranand is not longer a Mahatma. If he contacts you for any reason please call us immediately. Trevinanand is no longer a Mahatma and the same polict applies.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 23:59:10 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: But look what happened a year later
Message:
Cripes, an ashram flashback, I'm feeling queasy . . . One can only imagine that margie met with his honchos and laid out the party line in bold. Wasn't this also around the time of the Mishler confrontation? Devotion was the antidote to anyone challenging Malarky's hegemony. I never could understand this part of the deal and why I was getting it shovelled up me arse. But nevertheless, like poor ol' Mike, I could prattle on about devotion like the cowered, labotomized, cult zombie high on the gonzo zeitgeist that I wuz. What did Stevie Wonder say? "when you believe in things you don't understand you suffer" - he got that right.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 20:38:46 (EST)
From: Jim Heller
Email: None
To: Jim Heller
Subject: Disappearing Text
Message:
'when you believe in things you don't understand you suffer' - he got that right.

Jim, click back to my earlier message and see if this last line is included. It was when I just checked it in response to your post. More freaky hacky-sacky?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:40:42 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Talk about 'Wit and Wisdom'!
Message:
Cripes, an ashram flashback, I'm feeling queasy . . . One can only imagine that margie met with his honchos and laid out the party line in bold. Wasn't this also around the time of the Mishler confrontation? Devotion was the antidote to anyone challenging Malarky's hegemony. I never could understand this part of the deal and why I was getting it shovelled up me arse. But nevertheless, like poor ol' Mike, I could prattle on about devotion like the cowered, labotomized, cult zombie high on the gonzo zeitgeist that I wuz. What did Stevie Wonder say?
What did Stevie Wonder say?
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:11:42 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Comedy Classic!!!!
Message:
Move over This is Spinal Tap, Life of Brian. This is fucking priceless! Thanks Mike Donner. Have you secured the film rights?
Have you got scriptwriters or directors yet? This pig might yet fly... What can I do? I mean, let's do it...
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 20:20:49 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ***YOU MIGHT WANT THIS TO, JM***
Message:
I'll try to get it scanned as well.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:33:42 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Pathetic! Begging for money.
Message:
Not much has changed has it? Even the world is still here but M hasn't changed his tune at all. Give me money, I never seem to have enough.
And just when is this guy going to take his own advice?
Peace does not exist at the bottom of a cognac bottle. I am so glad my children are so less naive than I was at their age.

Tonette

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:07:08 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: jmkahn@club-internet.fr
To: Jim
Subject: Added to the archives
Message:
Would you email me a scan of the original document ?

JM

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:08:13 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: Added to the archives
Message:
yes, I'll try to get the girlfriend to do it.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 03:44:00 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: For the girlfriend
Message:
ask her to scan it in gray scale, 20% (reduction whilst scanning, NOT after) of the original size (check if it's still readable, it should be) - and save it in jpg or tif format please.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:08:42 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Missing link/previous post
Message:
here's the link

M's letters to the premeis

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 23:33:27 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Bless This
Message:
And just what kind of mistaken messianic messages were we erroneously projecting onto his lardship reading his letters signed not yours sincerely or yours truly or with love, but "blessings"?
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:14:53 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: Missing link/previous post
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:10:41 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Gerry ? FA ? Link problem
Message:
looks like you can't include a link anymore (using the forum's tools) ....
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:18:36 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Let's try it one more time
Message:
Yes, it looks like the link feature has been glitched by the pw thingy. Let's try it one more time:

M's letters to the premies

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:06:50 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Is this Letter Posted On EPO??O??
Message:
I believe it should be. It adds historical evidence as to Maharaji's deceit and financial manipulation at this point in time. If its not already there, I hope it is added to the EPO Library. .....
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:22:49 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: 30 days has Sept, April , May & Dec (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:24:40 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: What about those born May & Dec 31st?
Message:
Are we chopped liver? And, since all the rest have 31, (except Feb) then I guess no one was born on June or Nov the 31st because I don't know anyone with those birthdays. ;)
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:56:59 (EST)
From: Brian S
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Excuse me Pat, it is June not May
Message:
I stand corrected. But definately no September 31st ever, November 31st doesn't occur either.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:12:40 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Brian S
Subject: yep, 30 days has September...
Message:
April, June and November.
All the rest have 31,
Except for Feb which etc....

Now you are confusing me and making me think I need to analyze my joke.:)

And now I must got to bed since I don't have any trolls to chase.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:18:34 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I remember those letters
Message:
There were a number of them written with Maharaji's signature to the various countries asking for MONEY for Millennium. It was at this point that various of us conned our parents into allowing us access to trust funds, etc. in order to help Maharaji and help facilitate the most significant event in human history. But I think Maharaji also bought Rolls and Mercedes with the money.

Leading up to Millennium, all the ashrams were requested to reduce their costs as much as possible. In Chicago, the ashram had about 50 people and the cost of food was reduced to 35 cents per day per ashram premie so the Lord could establish the peace that is the holy vibration of God in the world. Lots of brown rice. The entire ashram of 50 people ate on $17.50 per day. And proud we were.

The ashram premies were also required to call up their friends and relatives and ask for even more MONEY for Millennium. We complied, figuring they would all be premies by Thanksgiving and would be so thankful for us for giving them the divine service opportunity to help Maharaji usher in the period when lambs and lions became good friends -- when the vibration which is God is established and pervasive in the world that had looked like such a mess, what with Nixon going down the toilet in Watergate, around Halloween.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 16:57:21 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Buckwheat Groats !
Message:
This is the only time in my life that I can remember eating Buckwheat Groats, Boiled mostly, sounds horrible, tastes horrible.

The groats were an everyday staple for about a month until several of us revolted at the housemeeting and refused to eat them. The house mother was very hurt, she was so proud of the bargain price for the groats and of her resoursefulness in saving all of that money which apparently went to fund the Millennium debt.

The things we used to do....

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:22:41 (EST)
From: Michael McDonald
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: I remember those letters
Message:
If I remember correctly, the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches made for Millennium were still being eaten in Denver in 1975. They were certainly a change of diet for the world's press at the Astrodome.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:23:02 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: Peanut Butter & Apple Butter & Peace Plant
Message:
I wish those sandwiches had been pb and jelly. Instead, it was pb and apple butter, and to this day, I don't eat apple butter.

Anybody sleep on the concrete Peace Plant floor? ~)

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 18:45:06 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: Whatever happened to Apple Butter anyway?
Message:
Was it outlawed? They find asbestos in it or something?
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:23:34 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: The Peace Plant
Message:
Oh yeah, I also had fine accomodations on the floor of the peace plant. It was an abandoned Coca Cola bottling plant. Concrete floors, industrial bathrooms and makeshift black plastic showers. "Whoooeee, we gonna save the world!"
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:25:29 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: Millennium Bars
Message:
Rember those? Had the taste and consistency of sawdust? I kid you not, there were boxes of those in Miami (moved there when IHQ did in 1979) still, in 1980. I think they were eventually used as building material.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:12:58 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Here's a Millennium Bar photo
Message:
Joe,

I recall, as a Denver ashram resident, eating Millenium Bars, nuts and raisins, and drinking past-date apple cider from 55 gallon drums. Some of the cider turned to hard cider. Times were a bit tough with shortfall of income from Millenium, but you could eat all you wanted of those surplus items.

Richard

LINK = http://64.45.46.159/photo/MilleniumBar.jpg

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:36:47 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: I get gas just by looking at it (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:29:01 (EST)
From: Michael McDonald
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: LOL (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:51:17 (EST)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It's always been a game to him
Message:
Thanks for posting that letter, Jim. I'm glad I made that little effort it takes me to read his 'satsang'. The picture that emerges is that it was a game to him; 'can I act like my father and get away with it. Can I make the premies respond to me in the same ways.'
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:06:09 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: September 31? Yep, another time-warp or...
Message:
...was it a parallel universe or was it that extra day he spent being abducted by a UFO?

My underlined bits are:

""The world is looking for the Perfect Master to come and reveal the Perfect Knowledge of God.

""To do this I really need your help. I really need the help of all the premies in all respects; physically, financially and all other ways...

''I hereby invite you to this Divine Festival of Peace, Millenium '73 and request all premies to help me financially, physically and spiritually to make the program manifest for all seekers of Truth.''

Yep, he asked for money twice in succeeding paragraphs just in case we didn't get it the first time. The guy has always been a hustler.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:54:08 (EST)
From: I hate the way you Americans
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: can't spell 'Millennium' NT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 03:37:41 (EST)
From: Amurcan
Email: None
To: I hate the way you Americans
Subject: We can't stand way Brits spell anything
Message:
....or pronounce it. Everyone know water's pronounced wotter for god's sake. Now can you spell Mississippi?

PatC

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:37:47 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: I hate the way you Americans
Subject: Re: can't spell 'Millennium' NT
Message:

---

Well, I am an American, and I spell it Millennium

That's the correct way, I believe....

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:58:39 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: I'm American and it's "Millennium"
Message:
"Millennium" and it bugs me too, when it's spelled wrong.

Thanks, Cynthia.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:48:46 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: My last post was just eaten
Message:
I have to go in and edit it -- there were only a few words in it when it was posted.

Hmmm.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:14:18 (EST)
From: Me Too
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: The Best Thing To Do
Message:
is to copy your post before you hit the submit button. Beats writing and pasting. If your post doesn't show, you just have to paste the copy and try again.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:18:40 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Me Too
Subject: Eaten posts - don't despair
Message:
There are some very peculiar glitches since the pw.

I just posted a message about M's Millenium letter and half the message appeared on the password log-in page but did not appear in my post.

I back buttoned until I got my pre-post text and copied it. Went into the edit feature and pasted it back in. Voila.

I'm not a great believer in the perfect machine even in it's engine is software. It's best to stay resourceful. Be prepared like a boyscout but hopefully Hotboards can iron it out once the problem has been successfuly communicated to them.

But it is best to make a copy of it before pushing that POST REPLY button until the glitch who stole xmas gets fixed.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:40:06 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Me Too
Subject: Great tip, easily solves the problem(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:53:57 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Eaten posts
Message:
Yes, I just had to retype a post in edit mode as half of it got eaten.

Type posts in a WP (a simple one like Notepad works) then paste.

Also the automatic NT feature no longer works. We have to go back to typing NT.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:13:18 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Pat, that won't work
Message:
Type posts in a WP (a simple one like Notepad works) then paste.

Pat, that might be good advice for long posts but no one wants to HAVE to do that.

Jim -- who could be in a slightly better mood seeing as his new (for him) Jeep Grand Cherokee was just ripped off and found by the courthouse, say the police, with the steering colum punched out and undriveable requiring it to be towed which the cops have to do anyway to take prints and who, in insuring this new vehicle, noticed that the deductible for these kinds of insurance claims have just gone up a couple of hundred bucks and who now recalls what he heard before but forgot, namely, that, behind Honda's, Jeep Cherokees are the most stolen vehicles around and who, as he thinks of it, wishes that he'd left that bottle of anthrax open in the car but then who also realises there's no point beating himself up, how could he have known?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 14:34:29 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey, I've got a Cherokee Jeep!
Message:
Not as Grand as yours but it has made the journey from the US to Scotland (imported by its first owner), then to London where it was used by its second owner for trips to his villa in the south of France, and then across the North Sea, Norway, Sweden, The baltic Sea and Estonia to Latvia where it now performs sterling service in the middle of the Latvian forests.

John the feels a bond with Jim as fellow Cherokee Jeep owners

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 15:01:34 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: just testing
Message:
I hope you don't chew you cell phone while driving that jeep like our local yuppies do.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 00:42:31 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: That's what you get, Jim
Message:
For living in such a high crime country like Canada.

Actually, Jim, I used to be the proud (sort of) owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee and loved it dearly, but my environmentalist friends got on my case, so I bought a Subaru Forester when they first came out. Also a wonderful car, 4WD all the time, leather seats, etc, but much better gas mileage, and they put out those really cool gay-friendly adds ["It's Not A Choice"], so I just felt I should support them, putting my rainbow sticker and "Darwin" symbol on the bumper.

So, now I am with the Berkeley environmentalist boyfriend, and so, NOW, the Forester is considered the major cause of global warming, and I had to get rid of it and get one of those hybrid gas-electric cars (Toyota Prius), and that's pretty cool too. I get 60 MPG and the environmentalist boyfriend is off my case.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:15:07 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Keep the Jeep, Get new friends
Message:
For living in such a high crime country like Canada.

Actually, Jim, I used to be the proud (sort of) owner of a Jeep Grand Cherokee and loved it dearly, but my environmentalist friends got on my case, so I bought a Subaru Forester when they first came out. Also a wonderful car, 4WD all the time, leather seats, etc, but much better gas mileage, and they put out those really cool gay-friendly adds [

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:49:08 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Gee Jim, sorry to hear that
Message:
I have to console you over the JGC before I congradulate you for it. How sad :(
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:39:46 (EST)
From: anonymous Carjacker..
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Donate the Jeep to the Lloyd..
Message:
and win points in the RecentExes
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:23:08 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Software and insurance aren't perfect
Message:
The PW has caused some serious glitches. I've also had words from the previous message appear in my post unbidden. We'll sort it out.

I am sorry to hear about your car. Now you know why I drive a crate. Well it looks like one but the engine purrs because that's all I ever spend money on.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:50:47 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Yes, words unbidden -- me too
Message:
I've also gotten a few unbidden words, Pat.

As for the wheels, Laurie insisted that I get something that looked, oh you know, a little more macho, than the baby blue Integra I was driving. So this beautiful Jeep drops in my lap. Previous owner was a young guy who put in a completely tricked out stereo complete with the giant bass bin and everything! Dark green with tons of gold trim. All leather. Nice. A lot of good it does me now, huh?

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:29:57 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: that's a real bummer, Jim
Message:
God it sounds like a fab car. I drive like a pauper simply because I don't have the money for what I really want - a humvee.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:23:31 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: A HUMVEE!
Message:
Now you're talkin' all purpose vehicle. I love those little monsters!
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 23:55:58 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: HUMVEE dealer in Ventura County
Message:
It also sells Rolls Royces.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:11:59 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Stretch HUMVEES
Message:
You ought to see the stretch Humvees...quite the trip. Also, I recently saw a few stretch SUVs. They must get about 4 miles per gallon.

I can see you, Pat, tooling around SF in a stretch Humvee. Just don't let Joe's boyfriend see you.

Probably easy to parallel park on a hill, too. ;)

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:48:22 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: Easy to park too
Message:
You just push all the other cars out of the way. Yes! A stretch Humvee with a spa and bar.

Actually I'm with Joe on the hybrids. They may not be perfect environmentally but at least they shift the pollution out of the city into the exurbs where the power plants are and where they don't care about pollution so much and all drive gas guzzlers anyway.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 13:22:33 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Pat :C)onlon
Subject: Misinformed, Pat
Message:
The hybrids do not plug in to any electrical source. The battery gets powered when you brake and the car has an internal computer that switches between electric motor and gas motor as needed. Fascinating technology. Not one US car manufacturer is even selling them, however, thus we must go to war in the Middle East to ensure our constitutional rights to get 10 MPG.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 14:12:44 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: I'll definitely read about that, Joe. NT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:49:07 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, It's All Maya...
Message:
Sorry about your Jeep, Jim, the sound system must have been cool. But you really should have consulted Consumer Reports or something. Jeeps ain't what they used to be.

Don't take no shit from those insurance idiots (I can say this in because most of my work in office administration I either worked for them or dealt with them) so don't be patient, and give them shit about the deductible.

Always give insurance companies a lot of shit. Start out nice, but they are really morons. This is from real life years of experience.

Look into Toyotas next...

As with Pat, I drive an old Saab that is a tiger with a rough coat...

Love,
Cynth

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:01:23 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: P.S. Jim...
Message:
Your homeowners insurance will cover any valuables that were in the vehicle at the time of theft. Personal items such as instruments, etc.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:45:04 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The only secret? Slobbering devotion!
Message:
From the reports on the recent "event," it seems that only people who were verified to have received knowledge and known to a local community were invited.

It's so funny that the only "secret" thing that happens at these programs is maudlin displays of devotion. It is interesting to see that EV and M treat this stuff as top secret. It doesn't sound like anything else was discussed (unless the Philly story is true). But it was important that everyone be premies, because at least they were on their knees once begging for knowledge, at the gate of "Maharaji's world," I suppose.

Telling, that.

Francesca

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:57:07 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: The secret foot-fetish cult
Message:
Yes, only the in-crowd (EV donors and trainees) were invited by private phone call.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:04:36 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: The secret foot-fetish cult
Message:
Yeah, that foot fetish lasts about until the time you see him bare feet in person up close. EEEEEEEUUUUUUUU~!
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:38:45 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: To all who emailed me for password
Message:
I have suggested that you email Gerry and let me vouch for you rather than giving you the pw myself.

This is so that Gerry can keep a record of the emails and IP#s. I will help him keep track but I think it's best that he compile the list at first. There are so many that it can easily get out of hand.

I would also suggest that, if anyone else has given the pw to a friend, to please give Gerry the info as soon as possible.

These are simple security measures to keep things simple and tidy. It is usually disorganization that leads to bad consequences.

Thanks.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:48:02 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: To all who emailed me for password
Message:
I told Jerry.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:51:31 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You are sooo naughty
Message:
But a stitch in time....

Now be a good lad and let Gerry have the info for his list. ;)

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:38:47 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: kevjo@mindspring.com
To: All
Subject: Printed Material from Websites
Message:
I think it's important that somebody save material from the Maharaji cult websites, because it is rapidly disappearing.

In particular, I wondered if anybody saved those those "press releases" on the EV website having to do with Jagdeo and CAC.

Also, did anybody save the "FAQs" from the EV website? I have some, but not all of them. I think the lies about M never claiming to be God and the ashrams being drug rehab centers are particularly important.

I think I have copies of all the attack websites (CAC and others), and I think I have most of that smarmy PCT site, and the It Ain't So site. Anybody else?

I think Charles Glasser Jr's site is still up, but did anyone save the original version, the one in which he used actual posts and names from the Forum?

Anything else that should be saved? You never know when it will come in handy.

BTW, I think the "new" PR strategy for M is to shut down everything (including EV itself), except maybe the moribund Maharaji site, which hasn't been touched in over a year, and maybe Enjoyinglife, because I think M likes Enjoyinglife because it allows people like Janice Wilson Ivette to spout their love crap on the internet instead of to M himself, and he prefers that.

Anyway, I think the strategy is that engaging or responding to EPO has failed, and now it's better to just call us a "hate site" and ignore us. I think that's what that email to me from the anonymous person from Elan Vital, bile-filled as it was, signifies.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:23:06 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The Web never forgets
Message:
Well this forum is screwed, but I'll retype it. Interesting article below from LA Times, and you can check websites at The Internet Archive, in the "way back machine." They have some elanvital.org pages, not sure if they're the ones you want.

Francesca

The Web Never Forgets
Government agencies have tried to remove sensitive information, only to discover that copies have proliferated and they're virtually impossible to eradicate.
By DAVID COLKER
TIMES STAFF WRITER

November 27 2001

Within days of the Sept. 11 attacks, the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry rushed to pull a suddenly sensitive report from its Web site titled "Industrial Chemicals and Terrorism." The agency eliminated all traces of the document and its description of sources for home-brew nerve gases and improvised explosives.

But on the World Wide Web, almost nothing truly dies.

Indeed, the thorny report currently lives on at several locations, including the site for the Oklahoma City National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism, a UC Santa Cruz graduate student's Web site and the databanks of the Internet Archive, a nonprofit venture that has electronically stored an estimated 10 billion Web pages in an effort to preserve the Web's history. The Toxic Substances and Disease Registry is one of several agencies--public and private--facing this problem. Contrary to concerns about too much censorship in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the reality is that some agencies are having a hard time censoring anything that was once published on the Internet.

"The Internet is not like a faucet you can turn off and on. It's like a leaky faucet that keeps dripping long after it's turned off," said Gary Bass, executive director of OMB Watch, an organization that strives to cut back on government secrecy.

Still scattered across the electronic ether are a host of "erased" documents, including maps of nuclear reactors, pictures of secret spy satellite facilities and a description of a NASA space propulsion project.

In many cases, agencies had no idea that their erased documents are still available for anyone with a Web browser and Internet link. Detailed maps from the Energy Department's International Nuclear Safety Center, for example, are still retrievable through the Internet Archive.

"I have never heard of the archive," said Jeff Binder, director of the center. "Maybe our guys in cyber-security have."

In the electronic battle against terrorism, the Web has become as porous a landscape as the real battlefronts surrounding Kunduz or Kandahar in Afghanistan.

That's largely due to a kind of Xerox effect on the Web, where pages and even entire digital sites can be easily copied with a few mouse clicks.

Copies of supposedly eradicated reports and documents can be found using common search engines and the Internet Archive's whimsically named Wayback Machine. The "Industrial Chemicals and Terrorism" report can be found in a matter of minutes, even by novices.

Until the Sept. 11 attacks, the porousness of the Web was actually a feature celebrated both in and out of government as a way of providing instant global distribution of information.

Anti-Secrecy Group Now Pulling Pages

For Steven Aftergood, director of the project on government secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists, the Internet has been a primary tool in the organization's efforts to battle what it considers misuses of government secrecy. It collects and disseminates information on nuclear weapons, the "Star Wars" antiballistic missile initiative and other projects.

Indeed, the Washington-based group was created after World War II by scientists from the super-secretive Manhattan Project worried that the government was concealing the dangers of building a nuclear arsenal.

But since Sept. 11, Aftergood has found himself in the awkward position of following the government's lead in protecting sensitive information. So far, he has removed about 200 pages from the federation's site, mostly concerning intelligence and nuclear weapons facilities.

Or so he thought.

One of the sections he removed from the site showed pictures of an unidentified government agency that analyzes spy satellite data. Included in the cache was a close-up of a sign pinpointing the location of the building and the opening in the security fence used to admit cars.

"I thought the pictures showed where someone could maybe drive a bomb inside," Aftergood said.

What Aftergood did not know was that in the months that the photographs were on his computer servers, a succession of small programs, known as "bots," had scoured the site, indexed its contents and copied them to the Internet Archive.

It's a normal process that routinely happens behind the scenes, invisible to most Web users. Dozens of bots from search engines continually monitor the Web in this manner to keep their search indexes up to date.

Much to Aftergood's chagrin, the bots ensured that the photographs would have a permanent home in cyberspace regardless of his efforts to erase them.

"Once something is posted on the Web, it's a safe bet that it is archived somewhere," he said after being shown that the photos were still available on the Internet. "Once it's out there, it's all but impossible to get back."

There are ways to track down and eradicate some pieces of stray information. One method is using what is known as a "robot exclusion." Web site owners can insert a bit of code that causes electronic search bots to pass over a site.

The Internet Archive has gone one step further, allowing site owners to retroactively remove their pages from the archive if they engage the robot exclusion.

For example, trying to access the Nuclear Regulatory Commission site on the archive results in a "Blocked Site Error" notice "per the request of the site owner."

Brewster Kahle, the founder of the Internet Archive, defended the right of site owners to erase all traces of what was once available to the public, although he worries that heavy use of the exclusion will erode the historical value of his project.

"We are hoping people see the value of their sites being in the library," said Kahle, a San Francisco entrepreneur who is the archive's chief financial backer.

But trying to completely erase electronic information is not as simple as instituting a few lines of code. Once information has been placed on the Internet, it can be easily copied to other sites or put into a variety of media, ranging from paper to CD-ROM to private hard drives.

The Investigative Reporters and Editors organization culled data from a Federal Aviation Administration Web site detailing all actions taken against airports found guilty of security breaches from 1962 through August this year. Although the FAA removed the information from its site after Sept. 11, the IRE continues to make it available for sale on CD-ROMs.

The huge FAA database details 380,520 agency investigations, showing the date, airport, nature of the problem and any action taken. FAA officials said the information could be used by someone to look for weaknesses in an airport's security.

"We took it off because of a determination that it was what's called SSI, security sensitive information, and that it should not have been on our Web site in the first place," FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said.

Keeping Information Available Defended

But the IRE, which has made the database available in the easy-to-use CD-ROM form since 1997, has refused to put the genie back in the bottle, saying this is precisely the sort of information that should be available to the public.

"Given the track record of the FAA in keeping our airports secure, we think journalists should continue our role as watchdogs," said Brant Houston, executive director of the organization.

Because the FAA has stopped making its updates public, Houston said he is not sure whether the IRE will be able to continue adding to its CD-ROM database.

The Web offers so many avenues of escape that even sites specifically targeted for erasure have managed to persist.

One of the most hunted sites is Azzam.com, the Internet home of the pro-Taliban Azzam Publications. For a time, those who typed its standard Web address, www.azzam.com, were greeted with a blank page with the message, "This site has been suspended until further notice."

It soon reappeared in an obscure corner of the Web controlled by the island nation of St. Helena off the west coast of Africa. Its authors advised readers to quickly make their own copies of the site, now located at http://www.azzam.sh.

"We have written these few words in expectation of our site being closed yet again," the site said. "Therefore, we advise all the Muslims to save a copy of this page and ponder about what it says lest our site is closed and we are not able to say it again. We also advise the Muslims to copy, translate into other languages if necessary and distribute this message all over the Internet."

They need not worry. Nearly two years' worth of the site is stored in the Internet Archive.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:19:13 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Printed Material from Websites
Message:
I think it's important that somebody save material from the Maharaji cult websites, because it is rapidly disappearing.

In particular, I wondered if anybody saved those those
Hi Joe,

I never saved the press releases, but I sure did print them, and have them here in my hand....but--I don't have a scanner. If anyone wants them I'll be happy to mail them--keep a copy for myself.

The print-outs are of the entire webpage, which includes the url, and EV logo, etc.

I would hope that someone saved the FAQs. Shit--I was there the day before they closed that page down.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:21:40 (EST)
From: Well, that's weird..
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: my post went through, but...
Message:
part of Joe's post appeared without my command!

Have we been infected? Or is it software glitches with the password change-over?

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:25:12 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Well, that's weird..
Subject: Hotboards glitches
Message:
that happened to me too - the PW has caused some glitches. We'll sort it out. I hope.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:31:30 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The forum just ate a long post of mine!
Message:
I jsut typed out this whole long post starting a thread but when I went to post it it tore apart all the paragraphing and only kept half of the post.

great.

Let's see what happens with this new thread post.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:38:38 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Write your long posts in a WP...
Message:
...and then paste them in here. Anyway I hope you keep your longer posts. I'm waiting for that book of yours.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:51:26 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I'm sure it was a **Best of Forum**, too.
Message:
Kidding. I really meant to say... bummer, man.

R

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:36:00 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Funny ....
Message:
All it was was me going through M's other satsangs from the Elan Newsletter Salam linked to, showing how unquestionably M just makes it up as he goes along. Typical. Paint-by-numbers, really.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:05:39 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Maharaji's Ideas
Message:
Plato claimed that our ideas are borne of our souls and not derived from our experience, but when it comes to Maharaji, it's clear he gets them from TV.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:02:41 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Happened to me too! (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:18:51 (EST)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: F7: password needed to post
Message:
OK, it is easy to do (and undo) and anyone can read the Forum without a password.

I've sent out the posting password to lots of people and of course, I've missed some, so email me or ask another ex. I stated on the email that we can give the password to our friends.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:47:07 (EST)
From: John Macgregor
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: excellent move NT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:11:07 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: EPO Forum Page updated
Message:
Gerry,

I've updated the forum page to reflect this, and new posters are invited to write to you.

John.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 19:08:21 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Great blurb, John
Message:
Here's what you wrote:

This is a public forum for debate about Maharaji, Knowledge, and related topics. It used to completely open to read and post, but due to excessive spamming by current premies, a password is now required to post. If you wish to post [,] email Gerry Lyng, the Forum Administrator at gkl1@techline.com. Discussions that do not relate to Maharaji or Knowledge are actively discouraged, and such threads are subject to being locked or deleted.

If you have never posted on any of the ex-premie forums before, your first post may be met with the same reaction as if a stranger joins a conversation in a bar. To smooth this process, here is some advice based on observation of many new posters:-

Before posting, do some research - read this website, read Dettmers', Macgregor's and Mishlers' accounts, read the well-researched Indian Background section, and read some of the ex-premies' personal journeys. Introduce yourself a little (although anonymity is acceptable), and expect your views to be challenged. Disagreement is allowed on the forums:-)

And don't be afraid! These are words and ideas not guns and bullets. If you are in the process of leaving Maharaji it is true that the words and ideas can hurt, but the ideas expressed on these forums may be just what you need. And remember, we've all been through this process. If you are still reluctant to post on the forum, and wish to write to a former follower of Maharaji, you are welcome to write to the webmaster here, John Brauns, at jhb@ex-premie.org'

Excellent intro, John. Two suggestions though: add that comma I inserted and perhaps a phrase to make clear that premies are still welcome to post. You just have to play by the same rules as everyone else (even if you hacve the Lord himself in your heart).

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 04:20:49 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Thanks Jim - updated
Message:
Thanks for the input:-)

John.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:04:15 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Test thanks for thepassword gerry nt.
Message:
t
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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 15:07:28 (EST)
From: Pat :C)onlon
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Hi mags, did you just email me now for password?
Message:
I just got two emails from you from different addresses asking for pw. Was that you?
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:26:31 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Suggestion..
Message:
Gerry: How about requesting that exes who pass on the password to others notify you who they have passed it on to? That way, when the password needs resetting after a leak, you'll have some idea who not to pass it on to? Or at least you might do. Personally, I would advise that every new poster obtains the password from you directly.

Nige (the just rembering how easily he was convinced that Bazza would make a useful FA assistant...)

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:34:05 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: Suggestion..ditto, Nige NT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 19:32:31 (EST)
From: Nige
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: And further suggestion..
Message:
When the new arrival gets the password, they have to notify you what alias they will be using. Might make those daily troll patrols easier to organise..
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:45:26 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: But what about respectful premies?
Message:
I'm not sure we've seen any 'reasonable' ones, despite Katie's complaint that they DO show up and would post more often if only they got a fair reception here, but we do get some respectful ones, people who come here with some modiocum of civility and sincerity. Are these guys going to be unable to post here now? What are your thoughts on this, Ger?
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:57:49 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: But what about respectful premies?
Message:
I welcome premies like Dog and Carlos even if I don't share their religious beliefs. Can we trust them not to give the pw to cultweasels? I think so.

Eventually we may have to go to individual pw's so that, if it is given to an inappropriate premie, it can be changed easily.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:38:44 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Passwords and POWER
Message:
Good to see you using the POWER to zap the culthead trolls Gerry. Keep up the good work.

Anth the lettuce with the heart of a dogfish

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:04:54 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Passwords and POWER
Message:
Yes Anth it was the appeal to power that put me over the edge.

gerry the scratched up libertarian.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 17:30:39 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: A sad fact of life.
Message:
Hi Gerry,

I'm starting to think that there is no point in having POWER if you never use it. What's the point in being a cop if you never arrest anyone? What's the point in being a judge if you never send anyone to prison? What's the point in being President if you can't bomb someone now and again. What's the point in having a gun if you never pull the trigger? Etc.

Anth, that's three pieces of the jigsaw I've got, now where's the other 997?

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 20:36:37 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Passwords and POWER
Message:
See, I told you - scratch a libertarian and find an authoritarian with no power. ;)

You're on your way, Ger, soon you'll be accused of being a capitalist on AG like me!

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:29:06 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Raining on the parade
Message:
I am reluctant to point this out but the problem is as with any information that is dispensed as far and wide as the passcode, traveling through so many hands the code cannot be totally 100% secure.

A leak springs and/or the passcode is compromised then the trolls are back in gloating and boasting, the newbie's and the spontaneous posters are left out.

What then Gerry?

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:41:02 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: This is just the start
Message:
Hotboards also allows for each person to have their own password and that may be the way we will have to go. That way if one person leaks the pw then that pw can be changed.

However all this should be discussed on Dave's pw forum which can not be read without a pw. Please contact Dave for the pw to that forum.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:22:21 (EST)
From: Brian S
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Gotcha loud and clear, thanks Pat,
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:40:40 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Brian S
Subject: Is NT feature negated by pw feature?
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:42:38 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Yes, it is. Please type NT from now on
Message:
It seems that the pw feature has disabled the ""textless message"" feature. We will have to start typing NT again.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 17:47:17 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Can't passwords be automatic?
Message:
It seems that the pw feature has disabled the
Some forums exist where you don't need to re-enter your password for each post. Is that an option?
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 18:19:09 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Can't passwords be automatic?
Message:
Not sure. I'll check it out, Jim.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:23:39 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Whew! What more can I say...
Message:
...except, let's see if it works. I guess we will find some way of letting new people in who are trusted and perhaps have been emailing one of us for a while.

Thanks, Gerry, for taking the intitiative. There's only one way sometimes to see if a solution works and that is to do it.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 16:06:42 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Let's have a big hand for Pat & Gerry
Message:
I love you guys.

BTW, how do you do password in one step? Moley, said not to do what she did, but I couldn't figure out what else to do.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:40:21 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: I just hope
Message:
that we don't keep out the good as well as the bad. But given the recent suggestion of overloading the site with an electronic spaminator, I understand and agree with the necessity of instituting these radical measures at this time.

It is sad but true, but it comes down to this, some troll shutting us down with electronic spam overload, or Gerry shutting them out with a simple password.

Here is some good advice, I think it applies now more than ever .....

REMEMBER THE WORD

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:43:04 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Welcoming new people
Message:
Hopefully Gerry will come up with a good blurb at the top of the forum welcoming new people and suggesting that they pick an ex with whom they feel they can communicate and begin an email correspondence with them. Once trusted by several of us exes via our email connections then they could be allowed in.
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:34:41 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Help need re Vicki's email
Message:
Vicki sent me a request on hotmail email account. Can anyone send me that account by email and vouch for her. Tell me her last name. (This is information she has sent me and I need to verify it because I'm not letting generic email account in without further verification. All this policy wonking will have to be worked out as the situations arise so bear with me.)
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:00:14 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Help need re Vicki's email
Message:
Oh no! Not another emotionally scarring episode of not being recognized. Do you know how many therapy sessions it took to get me over the trauma from the Santa Monica event? To have all those people staring at me, laughing.... LAUGHING I tell you....until I begged a Mahatma, who I'd transported, to have pity on me.

Oh the shame...to be such an un-PAM, such a loser for nearly thirty years, of being in service to M, giving money to EV and being the dutiful, quiet semi-church lady (who occasionally raised eyebrows with unsolicited questions). And now, again. Oh, tis my fate and lot in life to be unrecognized!

It's okay, a kind hearted ex sent me the password. But Gerry, feel free to e-mail me and say "hi"! Thanks for all your hard work on keeping the forum troll free.

-Vicki who used to be Queen Victoria and thus recognized by all but that was in another life

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:33:11 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Re: Help need re Vicki's email
Message:
Vicki, I sent you the password also after Pat told me who you were. Wow we have royalty here!

:)

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 14:36:05 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: I'll email you to vouch for Vicki
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:06:48 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: God Bless You, Pat! (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 15:44:47 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: By gosh and begorrah, Vicki...
Message:
...and a top o' th' mornin' to you too!
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:44:46 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: This is a good idea Jerry
Message:
At least for the time being. It was getting a little out of hand here.

Francesca

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:56:02 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Francesca
Subject: I agree, with one reservation..FA?
Message:
Gerry, now you've taken this step - a good idea, BTW - perhaps you should change the forum intro somewhat to clarify that, provided they promise to behave themselves, newcomers are free to contact you to obtain the password. And I mean exes, premies and waverers. Watching the gradual exiting progress of a number of long-time premies here has been one of the most fascinating aspects of forum life.

Unlike the pair the pair of trolls we have just jettisoned - and who will be missed by nobody - there are many others eg. Mel, Sandy) whose purpose - whatever their stance, re. the Hamster - was never to disrupt or flame the exes. We should keep them on board, if only to provide fuel for the discussion.

Up until now, this forum's (and its predecessors') most honourable characteristic was the way it was the only place on the web where free and open discussion about M was permitted. It would be good to keep it as close to that ideal as possible.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:21:15 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Excellent Point, Nigel
Message:
I have personally enjoyed arguing with premies that ex-premies do not censor off people they disagree with, unlike the cult websites which do.

So, maybe what you are proposing is a good compromise, since it appears those two premies from Australia, who seemed to have a compuslive addiction to the Forum, had to be dealt with. I never read anything they posted, so maybe I'm not a good one to comment on that.

That way, if someone wants to post, they can be allowed. The only problem is if they become pests, you would have to change the password. But I think if people request the password, that is unlikely.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:46:34 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Also you have an ISP to complain to
Message:
If someone applies for a password, you at least have an e-mail address and an ISP to complain to if the user gets out of hand. It's better than nothing. In order to get the password, the e-mail would at least have to go to a real e-mail address.

--f

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:50:42 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Agree: This is a good idea Jerry
Message:
Gerry, I hope this will keep the hit-and-run (as it were) posters at bay and serve to further focus the forum. That said, part of what makes the forum so dynamic are the unexpected first timers. A welcome to those folk could be emphasized in the text at the top of the page so newcomers know how to get a password.

Richard

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:21:04 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: F7: password needed to post
Message:
fine for me .....
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:32:17 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: F7: password needed to post
Message:
Hi Gerry,

Got it!

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:37:07 (EST)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: testing
Message:
hi
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:07:47 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: salsa
Subject: Re: testings !!
Message:
testatiions !
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:44:22 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: salsa
Subject: This might be just the ticket
Message:
Thanks, Ger, I got mine too.

Maybe this is just the ticket for what ails us. I hope you don't mind but I've given the passowrd to SC and CW too in case you didn't have their email. (Joke!)

So how's this work? Do we have to type the password ech time we post?

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 13:49:40 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: testing 2
Message:
Gonna put the password in the password box and see if it works xx
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 13:51:55 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: Don't do wot I did folks
Message:
It dosen't work if you put the password in the box on the reply page. You get another window up for the password when you post reply
Moley the clueless
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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:04:16 (EST)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: Testing here...
Message:
Hi Moley:

Just testing this, to see if I can understand what you are talking about.

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Date: Tues, Nov 27, 2001 at 21:10:55 (EST)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: I think I see it...
Message:
The password box on the repy page is for the forum adminstrator only. If an administrator puts the administrator's password in that box, the resulting post will be flaged ""ADMIN"" to signify that the Administrator is posting. It's over on the AG forum too, which is not password protected. Just ignore that box, and fill in the one that appears when you go to post.

When I went to post this, half the text was missing, I had to choose "edit" and come back and type the rest in. I think I'll be doing any long posts in wordpad first from now on.

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Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:41:10 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Thanks Chuck
Message:
I think I get it - all those years floating like a lotus petal above the Maya has left me a bit unworldly !
Moley xx
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