Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Nov 29, 2001 To: Dec 05, 2001 Page: 5 of: 5


Joe -:- Donations in CASH for the APPOINTMENT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:59 (EST)
__ such -:- bring CASH - marji no like plastic -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:05:46 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- *********FA!!!!!!!!!************ -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:13:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: *********FA!!!!!!!!!************ -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:49:52 (EST)
__ __ __ cq -:- Is that really you Janet? -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 10:03:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- yeah, that was me al right -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:42:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Janet, Listen to Me... -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:04:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Carlos -:- Janet, even tho u piss me off -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 04:57:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Carlos, you are right about surveillance -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:56:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- i thought over all of it -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:14:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Janet, you are stupid and insulting -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 08:31:26 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Janet-why would call us brainless -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 22:07:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- not you, deb. look out there: -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:29:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I sympathize with -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 17:50:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Janet, that's global thinking... -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:13:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Get back on your meds, Janet -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 13:48:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ such -:- some lady sent her ex an envelope -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:46:18 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- no it's not a joke -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 15:29:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- above meant for Janet as well nt -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:16:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Thanks for THAT information, Such [nt] -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 21:59:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Thoughtless Police -:- Jeezus, Janet -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:13:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- She's doing it again! -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:49:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Janet -:- mommmm! make her stop!! waaaa! -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:06:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You are CLUELESS! -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:13:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- GERRY! She' -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:45:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- GERRY! She' -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:45:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- I certainly did block her -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 01:08:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Has the real Janet been kidnapped?? -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:34:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- inidividual passwords -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 13:58:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: inidividual passwords -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 14:51:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- and hopefully -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:51:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- god, you guys! ok! forget i said it! -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:41:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Stay street legal, Janet -:- Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 09:25:35 (EST)
__ PatC -:- You forgot Pacific Resources -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:13:01 (EST)

Seattle Sleuth -:- Seattle Event this Saturday -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:19 (EST)
__ Mercedes -:- Re: Seattle Event this Saturday -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:24:46 (EST)
__ Roger eDrek -:- I'll be there!!! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:53:52 (EST)
__ __ janet -:- use my suggestd address -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:43:01 (EST)
__ __ Richard -:- I am not invited -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:31:28 (EST)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- I am actually invited -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:43:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ FelineStoat -:- Anonymouse? -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 23:56:18 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Right on Roger--go for it [nt] -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:15:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ la-ex -:- Have you read Jim's challenge?nt -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:12:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- You Go! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:27:47 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Richard, who told you this? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:04:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- re: who told you this?? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:05:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ such -:- re: Do you meditate? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:38:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Tour de Force, Such -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:46:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Great questions, Such -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:01:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ RichMandrake -:- Richard, How did they know it was you.. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Richard, How did they know it was you.. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:33:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Okay I get it... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:25:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Okay I get it... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:18:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- do a Bazza -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:55:11 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Funny one, janet -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 14:09:25 (EST)
__ Ask HEEM if He intends -:- to always be a Fat Pig? [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:58:26 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- What's he soooo afraid of [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:10:16 (EST)

Silvia -:- MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:17:01 (EST)
__ Susan -:- I feel for you -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:19:32 (EST)
__ Selene -:- let's get in touch -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:59:08 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Isn't your son telling you something? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:29:46 (EST)
__ salam -:- Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:42:50 (EST)
__ __ silvia -:- Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:09:03 (EST)
__ __ __ salam -:- Re: MY SON IS IN'm mad. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:51:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Have you considered a restraining order -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:46:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ silvia -:- Selene-Deborah -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:07:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Selene-Deborah -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:18:05 (EST)

salam -:- Pia Site been eaten completly -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:57:43 (EST)
__ Salam -:- gee that worked. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:59:29 (EST)

Jethro -:- george Harrison has died NT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:48 (EST)
__ such -:- What is Life:Think for Yourself... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:26:58 (EST)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Within you, without you -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:59:19 (EST)
__ __ __ such -:- Indian musicians who played -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 14:01:00 (EST)

Brian Smith -:- George Harrison dies at age 58 -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:23 (EST)
__ bill -:- m DID say this about g harrison -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 17:43:37 (EST)
__ __ such -:- now, dat coulda bin interesting... [nt] -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 17:57:14 (EST)
__ suchabanana -:- George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:44 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- small correction -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 12:56:27 (EST)
__ __ __ such -:- Re: small correction -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 13:54:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: small correction -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 18:30:14 (EST)
__ __ Kelly -:- Re: George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:32 (EST)
__ __ __ such -:- George Harrison links -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 20:14:46 (EST)
__ Kelly -:- Re: George Harrison dies at age 58 -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:01 (EST)
__ __ Nigel -:- A guru called George? -:- Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:06:40 (EST)
__ __ __ Barbara -:- Van the Man -:- Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 18:22:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: Van the Man -:- Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 21:34:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Barbara -:- Re: Van the Man -:- Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 21:49:18 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Too true :) [nt] -:- Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 22:16:08 (EST)
__ __ Marianne -:- Hi Kelly -ot -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:29:12 (EST)
__ __ __ Kelly -:- Re: Hi Kelly -ot -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:43:13 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- He's had a tremendous influence on me -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:27:57 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- JM-I was just singing that song -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:30 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:28 (EST)
__ __ __ Ulf -:- Re: All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:07:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- (Forgot ) While My Guitar Gently Weeps(nt) -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:18:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- While My Guitar Gently Weeps... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:46:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- My sweet George.... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:08:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Ulf -:- Re: My sweet George.... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:22:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:16:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ ulf -:- Re: All Things Must Pass... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:55:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ There was a MAHARAJI CULT -:- Festival in Miami when Lennon was shot [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:09:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I was there! Remember it well -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:20:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Well, no wonder... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:45:12 (EST)
__ __ wolfie -:- still my guitar gently weeps -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:11:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Moley -:- My favourite song too Wolfie -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:43 (EST)
__ __ salsa -:- Re: He's had a tremendous influence on me -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:13 (EST)
__ Sir Dave -:- He was my favourite Beatle -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:14:27 (EST)
__ janet -:- Re: George Harrison died-more info please? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:26:15 (EST)
__ __ Obituary -:- It started as lung cancer... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:09 (EST)
__ __ cq -:- Re: George Harrison died-more info please? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:03:30 (EST)
__ __ I think it was -:- Brain cancer. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:09:13 (EST)
__ __ __ Bobby -:- was throat cancer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:16:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Sad -:- Re: was throat cancer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:24:35 (EST)
__ __ __ salsa -:- Lung cancer. NT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:39 (EST)
__ __ Zelda -:- he was in LA -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:38:04 (EST)
__ __ __ Kaj -:- premie rumours about George -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:02:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- WISHFUL Thinking on Maha's part [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:25:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Bobby -:- Re: premie rumours about George -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:46:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- George was in a different cult. -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:53:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Is everything a cult Anth???? -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 22:39:51 (EST)
__ __ __ janet -:- george had the distinction of... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:58:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- Re: george had the distinction of... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:23:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Friend of George and Olivia -:- Maharaji hated George Harrison? -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:19:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Wrong , George was unimpressed -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:32:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- Re: Wrong , George was unimpressed -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:00:43 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Maharaji was Envious of George...I bet... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:54:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- George recorded Charanand -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:54:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Joy -:- Hey friend . . . A couple of questions -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:52:49 (EST)

Vicki -:- Question -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:10:42 (EST)
__ Carlos -:- I was in between crests of my 'career', -:- Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:28:47 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Thanks everyone -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:36:49 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Answer - I'd hit rock bottom... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:02:19 (EST)
__ Chuck S. -:- At a vulnerable time... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:46 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- Re: Answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:11:26 (EST)
__ __ Chuck S. -:- Re: Answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:24:49 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:54 (EST)
__ Joe -:- Both/hippies/Bill Patterson -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:00:14 (EST)
__ __ Elaine -:- Re: Both/hippies/Bill Patterson -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 21:19:16 (EST)
__ __ Elaine -:- Re: Both/hippies/Bill Patterson -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 21:19:00 (EST)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Hi Elaine -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:19:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Re: Hi Elaine-thanks -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:50:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Gotta make up your own mind, Elaine -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 16:45:45 (EST)
__ __ RMandrake -:- Joe, Excellent insight on M -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:44:38 (EST)
__ __ la-ex -:- Joe:a ? and an answer -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:13:34 (EST)
__ __ __ bill -:- denver maybe? [nt] -:- Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 17:26:04 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Gurucharanand/Patterson -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:10:52 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- That's sad to hear... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:21:26 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: That's sad to hear... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:57:22 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- My loving thought to Bill Patterson too -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:23:09 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- Adolescence -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:08:31 (EST)
__ Loaf -:- Hmmm how interesting ! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:45:08 (EST)

Michael McDonald -:- I'm changing my handle to McDuck -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:14:14 (EST)
__ Lesley -:- Arrghh, McDuck is colonising the known universe -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:57:22 (EST)
__ such -:- ok, takin it to da stweets... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:03:38 (EST)
__ __ McDuck -:- Re: ok, takin it to da stweets... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:08:18 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- A shot -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ McDuck -:- Thanks, Joe NT -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:23:38 (EST)
__ Forum Duck -:- Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:44:32 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:20:51 (EST)

Marianne -:- Question for Rich Mandrake -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:46:05 (EST)
__ Joe -:- Donations in CASH -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:28:36 (EST)
__ RichMandrake -:- Hi Marianne... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:46:11 (EST)
__ __ Abi -:- how sleazy and tacky -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:47:36 (EST)
__ __ Nick -:- Another question for Rich -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:30:43 (EST)
__ __ Tonette -:- OMG! How easy it would be! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:53:56 (EST)
__ __ __ ben Lurking -:- Re: OMG! How easy it would be! -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Great Idea ben... -:- Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:35:40 (EST)

Julian -:- Bjorn the Spiteful is posting on LG & AG -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:07:51 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Don't engage him on AG -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:19:09 (EST)
__ __ Marianne -:- Agree with Deb -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:28:51 (EST)

The Lord of the Universe -:- Come fly with me -:- Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:03:31 (EST)


Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:59 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Donations in CASH for the APPOINTMENT
Message:
Thanks to Rich for his insightful report about the San Diego 'Appointment Event.' [Only an organization so infected with buzzwords like 'synchronize' could come up with something so meaningless as that.]

What the churchlady on the phone told Rich is very telling. Especially that she suggested $100 was preferable in CASH, that more should be contributed if possible, and that the event was expensive and the money was for covering the cost of the 'event.'

This indicates to me that the money is going to Maharaji directly. With cash, it is impossible to determine where the money is going, and if it wasn't going directly to Maharaji's pocket, there would have been no reason to ask for CASH. How they will launder money paid by check, like Rich did, would be interesting to know, but making a check out to "Appointment Event" indicates that they will launder them through some bank account set up for this.

Like Rich said, the hall rental was at most a few hundred dollars, if even that, and the other expenses maybe amounted to a few thousand dollars, and if 35,000 to 40,000 dollars was collected at just this event, multiplied by Westchester, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and now Seattle, we are approaching a quarter million, with maybe $10,000 in costs, and this doesn't take into account those premies so devoted that they contributed even more money. One can almost see the armies of premies marching to the ATM machines.

Making the statement that this was NOT Elan Vital's 'event' was also important, because if Elan Vital was sponsoring an event for the purpose of money going to an individual (Maharaji), they would lose their tax-exempt status if it was discovered. Hence, EV had to say it had nothing to do with it. That's why there was nothing on the EV website about it, and why EV did not in any way announce the event, officially, and why the churchlady stressed that it wasn't an EV 'event.'

What is astounding, though, is that they would LIE to the premies and tell them that the event was 'expensive' and they needed the $100, IF NOT MORE, to cover the costs of the 'event.' That is obviously a huge lie, and indicates that the money was being requested under false pretenses, not that many of the premies wouldn't have given the money anyway, knowing that it was going to buy a Rolls for the master. I would estimate that maybe a few thousand dollars were necessary to pay the costs of that "appointment event."

Since Maharaji has residences all over the world, and his personal expenses are astronomical, if donations are down, this is a way for him to line his personal pockets. Think any of that money is going to fulfill the 'mission' which Maharaji claims he is here to carry out? If so, would you like to buy a bridge over the Golden Gate?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:05:46 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: bring CASH - marji no like plastic
Message:
remember: marji saying he never used credit cards...

as we have been reiterating again and again, miragey likes cash -- for the very reason that, unless you note and track the money's serial numbers, it's difficult to trace where the money ends up! ergo: marji likes cash -- no inconvenient or messy govt. revenue investigations, or racketeering indictments -- when rawrats might otherwise be residing in a different Big House.

it's very hard to maintain a high 8-figure lifestyle on a fictitious income, even as the minister of a registered church that isn't a church or religion.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:13:12 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: *********FA!!!!!!!!!************
Message:
FA, Would you please remove this post immediately?

Obvious reasons.

(What a god-damn STUPID thing to say, Janet!)

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 11:49:52 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: *********FA!!!!!!!!!************
Message:
Thanks Jim.

Well that's the third strike. She's blocked. Sorry to have to do this, but if she has no better judgement than to make these stupid pronouncements, then bye bye. I'm not risking my ass for anyone's dumb remarks.

Sometimes it feels like she is trying to get me in trouble. Don't need it.

OF course, this may not be Janet in which case my apologies and the block won't affect her.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 10:03:45 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Is that really you Janet?
Message:
I hope not.

Hoaxing an anthrax scare could get you up to 7 years in prison (at least in the UK) and suggesting that others should might itself imply incitement.

May I suggest you delete your three posts? (if they are indeed yours).

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:42:34 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: yeah, that was me al right
Message:
I guess I've just had it up to here with anthrax, media hysteria, manipulation, maharaji's grubbing for cashcashcash, paranoid security at all his appearances, and life in general. I figured maybe an envelope full of baby powder or baking soda or confectioner's sugar tossed into the till with ten bills would make for an interesting, exciting upstaging of the day, and maybe give maharaji and the premies a jump start to breaking their addictions. I didn;t say anyone HAD to run out yelling 'anthrax'. I figured someone could perfume their gift with scented powder or sugar as a symbolic gesture, and someone else could panic and jump to conclusions and set the crowd off. all totally innocent and unintentional, but same result in the end.

what's the world coming to, when a person can;t randomly fantasize or conjecture aloud anymore?

If I am seeing it happenning, someone else is probably thinking of it, too. Someone ought to thank me for mentioning it before it happens, not target me as the suspect.

sigh.
its sucks to have brains. at least, among the brainless.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:04:16 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet, Listen to Me...
Message:
A while back you said that you went off of your meds and you indicated that you did so without consulting your psychiatrist.

It's none of my business what particular meds you have been prescribed, but I know from personal experience that it is very dangerous to both your physical and mental health, (and those around you) to take yourself off of any psychotropic medications. Shit, you could have a stroke, you could have a seizure, or worse.

You are a very smart woman. Get back on your meds and see your shrink tomorrow! If you really want to get off of them, you need to have a schedule from your doctor to WEAN yourself off of them. You should know this, Janet.

Now, coming here and talking about white powder and anthrax is something that is completely out of line. I don't personally give a shit if you are asking to be arrested (and you could be for even making an idle threat), but to jeopardize all of us here with your compulsive need to be so-called brave is an indication that you have lost it (hopefully temporarily).

I read a post of yours about your son. You are also co-opting him in your renigade decision to just stop taking your meds. It's not fair to him. He's not your spouse, and you seem to be very needy of his attention. Take a look at that. It's not fair to arbitrarily go cold-turkey off medications.

I know what it's like. You know that. Now you've gone and gotten yourself blocked again because you are being stubborn about your ambivalence to the ''authorities.'' That is simply stupid, Janet.

Do you want to go to jail and face hefty fines (like up to 250k for having the freedom to make idle threats)? Or be committed again? That could happen, you know. And I don't think you really want that.

I have enjoyed your posts. Whatever you are working out in your life, please work it out without being injurious to yourself, those physically around you, and us.

Please be well,
Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 04:57:44 (EST)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet, even tho u piss me off
Message:
I guess I've just had it up to here with anthrax, media hysteria, manipulation, maharaji's grubbing for cashcashcash, paranoid security at all his appearances, and life in general. I figured maybe an envelope full of baby powder or baking soda or confectioner's sugar tossed into the till with ten bills would make for an interesting, exciting upstaging of the day, and maybe give maharaji and the premies a jump start to breaking their addictions. I didn;t say anyone HAD to run out yelling 'anthrax'. I figured someone could perfume their gift with scented powder or sugar as a symbolic gesture, and someone else could panic and jump to conclusions and set the crowd off. all totally innocent and unintentional, but same result in the end.

what's the world coming to, when a person can;t randomly fantasize or conjecture aloud anymore?

If I am seeing it happenning, someone else is probably thinking of it, too. Someone ought to thank me for mentioning it before it happens, not target me as the suspect.

sigh.
its sucks to have brains. at least, among the brainless.


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these days more often than I like what you say, you are one of the people I would LEAST like to see go inside the cross bar hilton. With the feebies using key word triggers on software to scan BBs and eMail (don't just believe they aren't doing it cause it ain't legal yet) PLEASE watch what you post and THINK IT THRU before you make it a public record!

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 12:56:15 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Carlos
Subject: Carlos, you are right about surveillance
Message:
The technology the feds are using scans to pick up keywords. And I think they may be doing plenty that is not legal, and they are changing the laws so fast, it may become legal as we write these posts!

And you are absolutely right that there is some stuff that is risky business to even be joked about.

I don't think scaring people or making them fear for their lives is funny, or right.

Best wishes,

Francesca

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:14:40 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Carlos
Subject: i thought over all of it
Message:
but thanks for thinking so charitably about my fate.
they can come ask me anything they like. I'm resigned to it. first maharaji, then microsoft and now this. I'm such a threat to the world, ya know.

like i said. it's tedious to have brains when you live among the brainless.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 08:31:26 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet, you are stupid and insulting
Message:
Stupid not to recognise that the consequences of your remarks can go beyond your little world, and patronising for calling us all brainless when the evidence is quite clearly against that.

How you can continue to attempt to justify your remarks is beyond my limited brain.

John.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 22:07:08 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet-why would call us brainless
Message:
I admire the people who post here and find them all to be intelligent. Some people have a little more eloquence, some have more information, some have more education, but everyone here has more common sense than you.

Please apologize for that remark. I do not like to be talked down to like that. And read Such's post.

Gee, some of us stick up for you and try to overlook certain rantings and out-there posts because of what we have in common and this is how you feel about us. That we are brainless. Thanks a lot.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:29:40 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: not you, deb. look out there:
Message:
I am looking out over the sea of faces, the vast public. the media. the PR offices. the sheep. everybody who takes everything they're fed with utter and complete belief. I'm looking at the Patriot act. the overreactions to spills of anythng in a white powder, anywhere. the relentless, mootonous, predictable orchestration of public emotion.
I'm just fed up to here with all of it, deb. I'm going back to normal with a vengeance. This is hysteria. If they want me, they can come and get me. In fact, I'll invite them to shoot me and let me out of my contract early.

Maybe I should just dust myself with talcum or sugar or plaster and go walk the streets crying 'repent! the end is near!' and make the evening news so people will be forced to think about it and talk about it. be like those buddhist monks who set themselves on fire in protest to the vietnam war. upstage the media pundits with guerrila street theatre and performance art.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 17:50:59 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: I sympathize with
Message:
and what you are perceiving and how it makes you feel.

But you are jeapardizing the credibility of everyone on the forum. There happens to be certain officers who are monitoring the forum because of threats issued. This is not helping.

Please see your doctor or a good friend and explain your frustrations. I can relate to you Janet. But I can't condone your actions. Don't martyr yourself or take us down with you.

You are welcome to vent by email. It's safer and just as effective.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:13:28 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet, that's global thinking...
Message:
Get help now. You know what I'm talking about because you are not stupid. You need to talk with your professionals because you are not thinking properly. It's very obvious to many of us here.

Please get yourself some help now. Today. Tomorrow the latest!

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 13:48:12 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Get back on your meds, Janet
Message:
Maybe I should just dust myself with talcum or sugar or plaster and go walk the streets crying 'repent! the end is near!' and make the evening news so people will be forced to think about it and talk about it. be like those buddhist monks who set themselves on fire in protest to the vietnam war. upstage the media pundits with guerrila street theatre and performance art.

Janet,

You're the one who should repent. What you said could indeed bring disastrous consequences to the forum and EPO. It's not a question of your political beliefs. It's a question of reality and the reality is that even joking about perpetrating a hoax like that is reckless and stupid. You need to start taking your medication again immediately. The only explanation I can think of for your behaviour is that, as you yourself said, you stopped taking it a few weeks ago. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, let alone a MENSA brainiac, to understand this.

Meanwhile, understand that this forum is not your platform on which to square off against the government.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:46:18 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: some lady sent her ex an envelope
Message:
filled with powder, labeled it 'antraks', got caught, got convicted, and is awaiting sentencing -- 7-10 years in the Big House [not Malibu].

cost the govt. taxpayers big bucks for equipment and staff to go into the terrified guy's house to check it out, perform protective cleanup/quarantine procedures, and test the samples. no joke.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 15:29:44 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: such
Subject: no it's not a joke
Message:
I agree Such and Jim, Pat, all.
And I am not very nice to say this but I know from personal
experience and have to say that it is irresponsible to those
who love me, to my friends and family etc. to stop taking my
meds. I am awful when I do, or when I combine them with other
stuff or just in general don't take care of my disorder.
ok end of soapbox, everyone is different biochemicaly and I
am not a doctor. Just have seen it in myself AND others who
mess with their meds. bad idea.
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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:16:53 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: above meant for Janet as well nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 21:59:15 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Thanks for THAT information, Such [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:13:34 (EST)
From: Thoughtless Police
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Jeezus, Janet
Message:
That kind of symbolic gesture is a federal offense, Janet, so where are your vaunted brains when it comes to that? Don't you read the news? Some guy did just that as a joke and he was arrested. Fantasy or not, these random speculations and 'thoughts out loud' can get you in seriously deep shit.

You've mentioned innumerable times your Mensa IQ, and it appears that you think most of us have Densa IQs, but no one said common sense is part and parcel of intelligence and I am seeing little evidence of common sense in your post.

I think you're just a bit too carried away with your intelligence, Janet. There are numerous intelligent people on this forum and your denigrating (and grating) comments are patronizing to us and aggrandizing to yourself. Last time I checked, we attempt to communicate as equals here.

Use that skull with the cathedral ceilings and cut the anthrax fantasies. Christ.

Is egoistic inflation a result of stopping your medication, which you mentioned you did this week? Think twice, please.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:49:27 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: She's doing it again!
Message:
I didn;t say anyone HAD to run out yelling 'anthrax'. I figured someone could perfume their gift with scented powder or sugar as a symbolic gesture, and someone else could panic and jump to conclusions and set the crowd off.

I don't know what Janet's on (or maybe 'off' is the better question) but this kind of talk is extremely detrimental to the security of the forum. I thought you'd blocked her. What's up?

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:06:56 (EST)
From: Janet
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: mommmm! make her stop!! waaaa!
Message:
Oh for chrissakes, Jim! you arent our in house counsel, so what's your worry? You can't control everything, neither can I! If theyre gonna come questioning anybody, It'll be me, and I'll be glad to openly discuss myself with whoever shows up on my doorstep.It doesn't matter if i said itor not. the idea is already out there in the ethers. people have already done it. all the real anthrax appearances occurred on the east coast in clearly defined areas, nothing has appeared west of the line, and I certainly have zero access or means or inclination to enact such a malicious stunt. He was in universal city last night and I didnt know, didnt care, and wouldnt have gone if a limo had pulled up to my door to take me there for free.the chain of causality begins with him and circles bat to him. if he didnt do what he does, we would have nothing to talk about, readers would have no feelings about him, and actors would have no reason to actt out.so laying it at my door, or blaming 'EPO, is false. whatever happens to him is due to what he does. period. until he owns that, scapegoats can be chased down all day and it won't alter reality one drop.and to those of you who are sharpening your lynch knives to come after me--stand down, right there. i did you a favor. if you hadn't considered it before, now you have. do something for the people, about it.your safest move, actually, is to leave it all and get out. but that would be too obvious, i guess. so forget about me and take steps where you are. clue: a witchhunt helps nobody.
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 20:13:47 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Janet
Subject: You are CLUELESS!
Message:
Janet,

It just amazes me how you could be so blind about this. Not that there ever was a time to suggest a fake anthrax hoax at a cult meeting but, if there was, right now sure isn't it.

And no, it's not even about whether or not you'd seriously do it. That's pretty much beside the point.

Are you still off your meds?

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:45:53 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: GERRY! She'
Message:
I don't know what's happening here. Gerry blocked you this morning and here you are. But yes, it is completely dumb and detrimental to the safet of
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 19:45:53 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: GERRY! She'
Message:
I don't know what's happening here. Gerry blocked you this morning and here you are. But yes, it is completely dumb and detrimental to the safet of
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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 01:08:58 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I certainly did block her
Message:
I don't know what the deal is on her being back here. How could she do this on webtv with out a computer?
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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:34:14 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Has the real Janet been kidnapped??
Message:
Was Janet's webtv yanked from the socket and she has been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a Borg weasel (with an IP# like the other one that can't be blocked) who hatched in a pod behind her sofa?

Sure Janet has little self-restraint, in fact, judging by her lifestyle, very little self-disipline and lots of self-indulgence but lately it has bordered on arrogant willfulness.

Her body must have been occupied by the Borg. Oh no maybe I shouldn't make jokes like that.

I think we need individual pws when they become possible. It's easier to yank a pw than block people. Webtv may even not work with IP#s in quite the way other ISPs do.

Anyway, if it really is you, Janet, I must say I am disappointed in you. If I'd seen your post before Gerry yanked it I may have said something much worse. Time to cool your jets, Janet.

Sounds like you need a weekend at a spa getting massaged and pampered. Don't you wish? Come on Ms Anti-American anti-capitalist. You know you'd love it.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 13:58:05 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: inidividual passwords
Message:
Are the ONLY real security. There is no way to track a forum
with only one password, it's like having none.

Selene the brainless one

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 14:51:17 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: inidividual passwords
Message:
Chuck and I tried it on AG while you guys were all alseep. Couldn't get it to work. Hotboards security sucks. But, yes, it's the only way to go. Anyone can get one but, if they act up, you yank it. That's the way the other forums that I have posted on work. The pws are mostly to keep stupid kids from spamming.
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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 16:51:31 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: and hopefully
Message:
whatever we come up with, it will be up to the service to
manage the accounts and not the FA. Password and account
management is moving into the full time attention arena.
Didn't mean to criticize any of the efforts made btw, far
from it I'm happy that people are concerned even though I was against pw's at first I now see there is a possibility to keep a forum
open but with the need to establish authentication before posting.
no big deal. most places do this.
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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:41:01 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: god, you guys! ok! forget i said it!
Message:
i couldnt sit still for the massage and pampering, Pat. I can't even sit still to settle in and fully enjoy petting my purring cozy cats. always gotta be gettin back up to do something. it never ends. I wouldnt be able to enjoy myself at a spa if someone kidnapped me and dragged me there.
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Date: Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 09:25:35 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Stay street legal, Janet
Message:
It's tough alright. But there is no point in seeing through the maya -- in having no choice but to see through the maya -- if looking at the unvarnished truth drives you beyond reason. And like it or not, there's a lot of folks here (that I find sane and stimulating) thinking you've gotten way too close to the edge of late.

The truth will set us free, they say. But they forget to add if it don't drive us crazy first. Just gotta stay street legal in the face of the truth. No point in grokking what's real otherwise.

All the best,

JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:13:01 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: You forgot Pacific Resources
Message:
Each community has a local ''Resources'' fund (called Pacific Resources in the west) with the name of the city appended. They have to cough up the initial cash to give the organization that now runs the events (forgot the name) for venue rental, AV, security, miscellaneous expenses - all the expenses in fact. The registration fee is gravy.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:19 (EST)
From: Seattle Sleuth
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Seattle Event this Saturday
Message:
There is an invitation only event 5 pm Saturday in Seattle for NW premies. I have no other details.
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:24:46 (EST)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Seattle Sleuth
Subject: Re: Seattle Event this Saturday
Message:
I am not invited either.
Going to the movies.
Mercedes
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:53:52 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Seattle Sleuth
Subject: I'll be there!!!
Message:
My Sweet Lord!
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:43:01 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: use my suggestd address
Message:
it's below in rich mandrake's thread.' I'd probably utter...'
i give you free rights to my authored materials.no strings atached. i dont even want attribution.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:31:28 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: I am not invited
Message:
I was going to go out of curiosity so I checked and found out I was 'not extended an invitation'. The reason given was because I had been posting on the forum and it was obvious I was 'anti-Maharaji' and 'not in harmony with what's going on at the event'. Apparently they even have examples of my posts from the forum as evidence that I'm not sychronized.

An event here does remind me that I am very interested these days in having my heart re-awaken after too much dormancy. The PTSD I am dealing with from 911 gives me even more reason to make sure I don't lose the heart openess that drew me to GMJ these many years ago. My heart will stay open. I'm just approaching it in an unattributed way now.

A very good premie friend reminded me of the following Rumi quote today. I offer it to my friends in the Seattle premie community as a sign of peace and good will.

Out beyond ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing, there is a field.
I'll meet you there.

Richard the monmat

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:43:44 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: I am actually invited
Message:
It's really funny and it's really true, but I did get an invitation and I'm going. It's funny because 'they' think that they know who I am, but I've actually given them the slip. I will be there and I will get in.
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 23:56:18 (EST)
From: FelineStoat
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Anonymouse?
Message:
You are not suggesting that you are hiding your real identity are Mr Drek.....
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:15:21 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Right on Roger--go for it [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:12:12 (EST)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Have you read Jim's challenge?nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:27:47 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: You Go!
Message:
That's an absolute scream!

And, I expect a thorough report soon...

That's just sweet...

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:04:51 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Richard, who told you this?
Message:
Who is 'they' in the 'they' have examples of your posts?

Did you call up some churchlady and they told you this?

I'm sure you were just aching to drop off those five twenties as you went through the metal detector and were frisked.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:05:46 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: re: who told you this??
Message:
The 'they' I mentioned are the local community organizers. I presume they were made aware of my monmatness by the national EV team. The person I called is a very kind and loving old aquaintence who really had no say in the matter. Just reporting the news so I don't blame them. They did say if I was sincerely interested in attending, I could plead my case higher up but that's too much work to satisfy my curiosity.

I was curious how this event would be unfold and had no plans to disrupt the proceedings. But after the big PR snafu in Philadelphia with the 'Do you meditate?' question, they aren't taking any chances.

Richard

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:38:02 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: re: Do you meditate?
Message:
that was a normal question for someone to ask him; does the guru practice what he preaches? has he always done so -- faithfully, every day? or did he reach a magical point where he became permanently one with godness -- and never had to meditate like his doggie premies anymore thereafter?

see, if the trip is actually about meditation, then people Should rightfully ask marji about his own practice, since he has ranted on at the premies for 30 years about Their practice of the special K. similarly, a normal response to that question would be to answer it honestly. if marji got uptight about a lil question like that -- chances are 1) he doesn't like being put on the spot -- ever -- by anyone, 2) he doesn't want to be accountable, 3) he's hiding something [either bogus meditator/fake rugu, and/or incompetent + embarrassed].

People should ask him all kinds of questions at these events, incl:

1) why have financial contributors Never received an accurate accounting of how Elan Vital is disbursing their donations?

2) are you the only living master, and what makes you any more of a master than many of your longtime devotees or other meditators?

3) when that voice came into your head after your dad's death, how do you know 100% that it wasn't your mind speaking, or a disembodied spirit possessing you?

4) if you are not addicted to materialism, why do you insist on staying in luxurious presidential suites, traveling in luxury jets, expensive cars, and having devotees buy mansions for yourself?

5) why is your family living off the premies? is your son having a luxury car, or Raja ji a mansion part of your mission?

6) does Monica Lewis give good head, or do you just have a quickie when you get together? Is cheating on your wife Marolyn consistent with your teaching: no cheat, no deceit?

7) could you please tell us about the time you committed vehicular manslaughter and lied? why did you lie, and conspire to have a premie take the blame? why?

8) Why did you order Donner to get Fakiranand out of the country, after your brother incited the mahatma and others to kill the guy who through the cream pie in your face? If you are an ethical and spiritual person, why didn't you hand over Fakiranand and the other conspirators to the US authorities? Why did you order the aiding of violent criminals - unless they were simply doing you and your family's bidding, and you didn't want the facts made known?

9) How did you ever get premies to buy back your house for 20 times more than it cost them, at a clear profit of about $5 million to yourself? If you are not addicted to materialism, why did you direct premies to expand your Malibu mansion to 28,000 sq ft.? Why are you allowed to live in a $25,000,000 estate you don't even own?

10) Why was Seva Corp. created, and why have premie donations been siphoned off into this corporation for luxury items which are only used by you and your family -- assets totalling tens of millions of dollars incl planes, yachts, estates, etc?

11) Although there are literally thousands of informed witnesses who can testify about this subject, if you are not really the living Lord in the flesh, then why have you specifically and historically referred to yourself as 'lord', 'savior', 'satguru', and 'the living Master', and why has Elan Vital lied and pretended you never said such things (or that you never directed and encouraged others to worship you as a living god or supernatural entity)? Are you a supernatural being? If not, why have you encouraged and directed your students to treat you as such, worshipping you and following your words as infallible, and giving you everything they possessed - their income, and their minds surrendered to you?

12) at the moment of death, are you there to intercede for each of your students? Yes, or NO, please?

13) are your megalomania and delusions of grandeur directly related to your compensating for a pathetic lack of apparent male physical endowment? or does this relate to some sort of mental illness that runs in the Rawat family -- schizophrenia perhaps?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:46:33 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Tour de Force, Such
Message:
Ask and ye shall not receive. That's unfortunately the con artists's motto. Maha is terrified to respond boo to anyone but he's got a eerie feeling about investigations and class action suits. And his hunch is RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:01:24 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Great questions, Such
Message:
Hard to pick a favorite. All good.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:24 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Richard, How did they know it was you..
Message:
you do not use your full name here. Has someone been reading F7 and sleuthing around trying to put together clues as to our identity. If so..I have purposely mislead people so that I can still have access...Any clues, as to how they found out it was you, Richard?
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 19:33:27 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: Re: Richard, How did they know it was you..
Message:
Well it wasn't too difficult. When I first 'came out' on the forum early this year, I posted my full name and even a picture of my SmartCard. I think they had info on me as far back as then. Even so, I still got local email notifications up until a month or two ago. It's funny that just recently the Halt Online Hate site said they had uncovered our secret identities when most of those listed had already said who they were.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:25:08 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Okay I get it...
Message:
They were just 'following orders." Where have it heard THAT before?

I wonder who you would "plead your case" to? Could you be represented by counsel?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:18:28 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Okay I get it...
Message:
Funny Joe. Do you know any good lawyers in this area. Maybe in Victoria?

No, if I wanted to talk with someone else it would probably be about my 'undestanding', etc. I could have said I had been blackmailed by EPO and made to post against my will.

Richard who is not blackmailable because I never dressed up like a woman except that one Halloween

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:55:11 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: do a Bazza
Message:
say you had a darshan dream and a complete epiphany all over again.
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 14:09:25 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Funny one, janet
Message:
Do you think that would work? That's really what it's all about, isn't it - utter and complete infatuation with The Captain.

Richard who had an epiphany in his pants

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:58:26 (EST)
From: Ask HEEM if He intends
Email: None
To: Seattle Sleuth
Subject: to always be a Fat Pig? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:10:16 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Ask HEEM if He intends
Subject: What's he soooo afraid of [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:17:01 (EST)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad.
Message:
My son's father, a premie, showed my son the quote below of maharaji at his site (or EV) and my son saved it because according to him it was a good quote and few minutes a go showed it to me. I'm angry, disgusted, because my fears that my son can get interested in K is real.

Now I have to deal with that too. Thanks a lot Lard, thanks. You suck!

And what is Lard saying there, something of substance that we never heard before? No. but there you have it. The young, the ignorant, the sugestionable can fall for that and believe that Lard is saying something incredible, just as my teenager son did when in reality is simply crap. Maharaji does exactly what he says not to do. He creates a God for you, well, he become your God, so then, why talk those words?

I DETEST YOU MAHARAJI.

HERE IS m'S QUOTE MY SON SAVED IN HIS pc.

Do I have to give God a shape? It's not necessary because my Creator existed before I did, so why do I have to give my Creator a shape? I have to feel my Creator. I don't have to go around giving my Creator a name. I don't have to go around giving my Creator a definition. I don't have to go around giving my Creator a gender. Because then I would be creating my Creator, and if I start to do that, then I become the Creator, and I'm not the Creator. But people do try to create their Creator. And they call their Creator not their creation, but 'Creator.' But they are the Creator, they are the Creator creating their own Creator. It gets very confusing.

And that's pretty silly because you don't get to create the Creator. The Creator is there, and it is possible for you to feel the Creator, but the Creator cannot be comprehended by thought.

maharaji sucks!

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:19:32 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: I feel for you
Message:
I am so sorry Sylvia. CD satsanged my teenage son ( it didn't work) when I first found the site. The mother bear in me came out and the anger that poured out of me at my son being possibly seduced into the cult...I could not believe the intensity of the emotion.

My teenage daughter, who nearly lost her life in a car accident this summer, is now a Mormon. I cannot tell you the distress this triggers in me.

I am sure all parents of cult members feel a part of their child has been lost or stolen. We all put our parents through a lot. I know I did. Didn't expect to have to feel all the things my mother must have felt though.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:59:08 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: let's get in touch
Message:
it's been too long. I'll try to get in touch with you.
I went through similar things with my boys, as you know.
Not so much the cult, for some reason that never really interested them, but the influences from exhubbie premieji had their part.
Only you know what to do but my expeience is the more you give them to rebel about the more they will. Sorry this is going on again!
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:29:46 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Isn't your son telling you something?
Message:
YOU are 'his creator' .......

JM (bad psychologist)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:42:50 (EST)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad.
Message:
I suggest you explain to your that guru is is refering to himself in the third person as being the Creator. Ask him how does guru know so much about who the Creator is unless he claims to be one?

I know a lot of things, but I know stuff all about the Creator, let alone believing their is one.

guru is cult and cult is guru.

Has guru ever claimed he is GOD?

Salam

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:09:03 (EST)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: MY SON IS IN 'his' TRAP and I'm mad.
Message:
Thanks Salam. Yes, I had already a long talk with my son and he understands, however I recognize that due to his age his mind is easy to manipulate. Do you remember when we heard of mahalard and we were eskeptical but later we gave in? Remembering is where my concern starts because my son is going to live with his father for a while, soon, which it means that he is going to be exposed to the crap more than ever.

I am thinking that I have to write to his premie father to warn him...

Thanks.

silvia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 10:51:52 (EST)
From: salam
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: Re: MY SON IS IN'm mad.
Message:
What can I say, kid wants to experiment with life. that how things are. Just be there for him in case he needs you.

be good and don't listen to my advice.:(

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:46:52 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Have you considered a restraining order
Message:
That's so scary. He's only 15 yrs old.

Have you consdiered talking to a lawyer. Email me when you get a chance. Maha is a fuckin prick and I want him stopped. I wonder what he'd do if someone ABUSED his kids. Besides him, that is.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:07:24 (EST)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Selene-Deborah
Message:
I am really angered and worried about this. Yes, I want to talk to a lawyer, maybe I'll go to court and tell the judge that I belonged to the cult for over 20 years and that I am worried about my son's father influencing him to believe in Lard.

You are right, imagine if it was the other way around: Lard would do what? Well, I'll send 'him' a letter too.

call me Selene when you can.

Thanks to both of u.
:)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:18:05 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: Re: Selene-Deborah
Message:
Talk to a lawyer first. Email me, I'm very busy but I'll have time to go over it. Act on it. This is your son's life.

Your son needs outside opinions about the GURU. Sue Maha for the money it is going to cost you to prevent his mind from being sucked into the cult. This influence on Maha is because you were also part of the cult and it is what he knows. He needs to be part of the deprogramming process because all of child like impressions are still alive.

What I want to say is sensitive and I'd prefer to say it off-forum. Check email today.

Take care and take your son's message as a warning. No other fifteen years wonder about gurus, especially Maha because Maha is a secret cult.

Deborah

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:57:43 (EST)
From: salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Pia Site been eaten completly
Message:
It's in Danish selling domains and I bet it it the same looser that runs Bors the cyber caca, have a look
http://www.cybercity.dk/erhverv/produkter/hosting/yellowweb/
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:59:29 (EST)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: gee that worked.
Message:
number one password hey?
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:48 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: jed53@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: george Harrison has died NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:26:58 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: What is Life:Think for Yourself...
Message:
Think For Yourself:
by George Harrison

I've got a word or two
To say about the things that you do
You're telling all those lies
About the good things that
we can have if we close our eyes
Do what you want to do
And go where you're going to
Think for yourself
'Cause I won't be there with you
I left you far behind
The ruins of the life that you have in mind
And though you still can't see
I know you're mind's made up
you're gonna cause more misery
Do what you want to do
And go where you're going to
Think for yourself
'Cause I won't be there with you
Although you're mind's opaque
Try thinking more if just for your own sake
The future still looks good
And you've got time to rectify
all the things that you should
Do what you want to do
And go where you're going to
Think for yourself
'Cause I won't be there with you
Do what you want to do
And go where you're going to
Think for yourself
'Cause I won't be there with you
Think for yourself
'Cause I won't be there with you

Give Me Love (Give Me Peace On Earth):
by George Harrison

Give me love
Give me love
Give me peace on earth
Give me light
Give me life
Keep me free from birth
Give me hope
Help me cope, with this heavy load
Trying to, touch and reach you with,
heart and soul
OM M M M M M M M M M M M M M
M M M My Lord...
PLEASE take hold of my hand, that
I might understand you
Won't you please
Oh won't you
Give me love
Give me love
Give me peace on earth
Give me light
Give me life
Keep me free from birth
Give me hope
Help me cope, with this heavy load
Trying to, touch and reach you with,
heart and soul
OM M M M M M M M M M M M M M
M M M My Lord...
PLEASE take hold of my hand, that
I might understand you

Life Itself: by George Harrison

You are the One
You are my love
You send the rain and bring the sun
You stand alone and speak the truth
You are the breath of life itself, oh yes you are
You are the One
You're in my dream
I hold you there in high esteem
I need you more each step I take
You are the love in life itself, oh yes you are
You are the One
You are the one that I'd die for
And you're all that is real
You are the essence of that which
We taste, touch and feel
You are the One
No matter what
You are the real love that I've got
You are my friend and when life's through
You are the light in death itself, oh yes are
You are the One
They call you Christ, Vishnu, Buddha, Jehovah,
Our Lord
You are, Govinda, Bismillah, Creator of All
You are the One
No matter what
You are the real love that I've got
You are my friend and when life's through
You are the light in death itself, oh yes are
You are the One
You are my love
You send the rain and bring the sun
You stand alone and speak the truth
You are the breath of life itself, oh yes you are
You are the breath of life itself, oh yes you are
You are the One

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:59:19 (EST)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Within you, without you
Message:
We were talking - about the space between us all
And the people - who hide themselves behind a
wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth - then it's far too late -
when they pass away.

We were talking - about the love we all could
share - when we find it
To try our best to hold it there - with our love
With our love - we could save the world - if
they only knew.

Try to realise it's all within yourself no-one else
can make you change
And to see you're really only very small,
and life flows on within you and without you.

We were talking - about the love that's gone so
cold and the people,
Who gain the world and lose their soul -
they don't know - they can't see - are you one
of them?

When you've seen beyond yourself - then you
may find, peace of mind is waiting there -
And the time will come when you see
we're all one, and life flows on within you and
without you.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 14:01:00 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Indian musicians who played
Message:
according to notable Indian musician Ashwin Batish, his dad led/organized most of London's top Indian musicians who played on Within You and Without You [Sgt Pepper's album], and on other Beatle tunes that had Indian instruments like tabla, tamboura, and Hindustani style violin-playing, etc.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:51:23 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: All
Subject: George Harrison dies at age 58
Message:
The quiet Beatle, just passed away with a few close friends, family members and his wife Olivia at his bedside.

A truth seeker in his own right, George epitomized the example of humility in the face of enormous talent and fame.

He was truly a gifted musician and a unique individual, another musical icon leaves us far to soon.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 17:43:37 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: m DID say this about g harrison
Message:
a pam asked the lord if george harrison was 'ready for you now'
and the lord rawat said 'the question is, am I ready for george harrison?'
To the laughs of his pams
Not a fictional story.
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 17:57:14 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: now, dat coulda bin interesting... [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:44 (EST)
From: suchabanana
Email: banana@friar_park.com
To: Brian Smith
Subject: George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence
Message:
When I was first teaching myself guitar, the Beatle albums were just starting to come out, too [i.e. Meet the Beatles]. With each new Beatle recording, I learned the guitar chords and Harrison's riffs.

if you notice, most of the Beatle hits had distinctive guitar/sitar or bass hooks/riffs that really added to the impact of the songs: e.g. Norwegian Wood and Within You/Without You [sitar], Day Tripper riff, opening V-IV-I chordal riff of Help, simple G suspended chord of Hard's Days Night, dissonance of Got to Get You Into my Life,
guitar melody on Something, acoustic guitar on Here Comes the Sun, last two riffs of The End on Abbey Road, A minor chord progression + bridge of While My Guitar, etc., + All Things Must Pass, slide guitar on Lennon's How Do You Sleep, etc.

Blessing/Blaming George Harrison:

George was the Beatle who got people in the West open to Indian music, religions/beliefs, gurus, and so forth. The Beatles themselves gave up on Maharishi as a fake after they discovered him shtupping Mia Farrow one morning at the Rishikesh ashram. Nevertheless, George maintained his interest in Indian religious beliefs -- especially Krishna. His second wife, Olivia Arias Harrison [a premie he met through A&M Records, where George's DarkHorse label was a subsidiary], has said she follows New Age Christianity mixed with some googoo maharaji.

In retrospect, although the Beatles later all disavowed TM and its guru, it was primarily young George who spawned the media's counterculture fad with Indian music [i.e. Ravi Shankar], religion, and gurus -- and who continued to promote that interest. Ironically, here were hordes of anti-authoritarian hippies and leftist peaceniks suddenly surrendering their lives - on the advice of youth pop icons like Harrison and Rennie Davis - to greedy rugus like miragey, sly baba, maharichi, etc.

Accordingly, today I am feeling some sadness that George has left here. On the other hand, I have many fond memories of his music and learning his guitar parts, when I was a blooming kid guitarist. From playing Beatle tunes, I also gained a better sense compositionally of how to construct/arrange pop songs.

I later studied Indian music formally in college. Ironically, within a few years, I was working as a musician for producer John Lennon and the Beatles' Apple record company in NY.

Naturally, many of us young impressionable baby boomers were definitely influenced by Harrison's tacit seal of approval on all things Indian and mystical - with unfortunate consequences for many sincere seekers.

Lastly, although we are still living in the material world, George's death [the youngest Beatle] sounds a sympathetic note signifying our own mortality -- all things must pass. While my guitar gently weeps...

Peace and lentils,

PS Good buddies: Clapton played the lead on 'While my guitar gently weeps', and Harrison played the guitar riff on Cream's 'Badge' [which predates a similar riff from Here Comes the Sun (in between the verses)]. While George was away, Clapton and Patti Harrison got together romantically - leading to the eventual amicable end of George's first marriage. Several years later, he was still mending emotionally when he began communicating with Olivia while doing business by phone long-distance -- and found a life partner apparently better suited to his philosophy.

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 12:56:27 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: small correction
Message:
maharishi was attempting to boink Mia's sister. I believe
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 13:54:52 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: small correction
Message:
maharishi was attempting to boink Mia's sister. I believe


---

yep, that's probably right. also, the opening V-IV-I chord-based riff I was thinking of was I Feel Fine, and the dissonance referred to was on I Want to Tell You [by George]. it's been a long time -- 35-6 years!

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 18:30:14 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Re: small correction
Message:
In Mia Farrow's book What Falls Away she wrote about the time when she was in India with the Beatles and other celebs with her sister--staying in the Maharishi's ashram...I think they lived in tents.

Anyway, Mia wrote that her sister was intense about the Maharishi and always stayed in her tent. Hence, the song 'Dear Prudence' on the White Album. ''Won't you come out to play...''

Just another tidbit...

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:36:32 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Re: George Harrison: musical/spiritual influence
Message:
Becuse of George, i very nearly got involved with th Hare Krisna movement...and, in fact when I arrived in India on my spiritual quest and found myself one day walking in to the Hans Jayanti festival in Delhi 1971...totally open vulnerable, malnourished and desperate for God..I believed all the premies I met...this was the Lord in human form...what a mark. (Is that the right word for a victim of a con-trick?'
But, I'm not a complete fool ha ha ha! The Hare Krishnas were having a major festival in Dehi at the same time...so...I went along.

Trouble is, on the way we had to change money and the money chsnger, in his most hospitable manner...rolled a joint!....I will never forget that experience...we got so high, we were treated like saddhus , everyone felt it and basically we were whisked up to Prem Nagar ashram, no charge...high as kites....grace we called it!

I,m forgetting myself. the point is that before we were carried off to Prem Nagar, I insisted on visiting the Hare Krishna festivasl, when i got there I was so high all I could do was chant Hare Krishna...It seemed to go down like a dead ballon...and yet I was singing to their hearts..I saw very clearly that they were all Krishna! No dice!
Oh George what beautiful music you made.
My claim to fame is that my first job after art school was as a painter on 'Yellow Submarine'.. I met him, they visited the studio to see how it was done!
Love Kelly

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 20:14:46 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: George Harrison links
Message:
http://europe.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/harrison/
[ http://europe.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/harrison/ ]
[ Graphic Link ]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:43:01 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Re: George Harrison dies at age 58
Message:
According to his family, he died...'conscious of God, fearless of death and at peace' ...what more can you ask?
I,m just praying for the same for my George, never a premie, never remotely interested in 'spiritual matters'...But, it's incredible how tuned in to life he is now. He's in hospital (with lung cancer) and his wisdom and insight is blowing my mind.
We've been talking a lot about death lately...the more you face it and accept it he less fearsome it becomes.
George was always my favourite Beatle, my father was called George, my Enid Blyton Famous five heroine was called George...and I married a George. All I need is a guru called George. I've never heard of one? Any takers?
Kelly
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Date: Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:06:40 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Kelly
Subject: A guru called George?
Message:
How about George Ivan Morrison (known to his friends as 'Van')?

He sings like an angel, and I have frequenly mistaken him for God. Will that do..?

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Date: Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 18:22:01 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Van the Man
Message:
I got married a few years ago and 'Into The Mystic' was the processional song (James Brown's 'I Feel Good' was the recessional song). Van's fabuloso. I saw him perform with Dylan a few years back and he still puts on an incredible show. His daughter performed a few songs. Van now has a young buck onstage who hits the high notes for him. 'No Guru, No Method, No Teacher' was especially apt for me when it came out.

PS: Had no idea Van's name was George. ')

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Date: Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 21:34:55 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: Re: Van the Man
Message:
Now we are dating ourselves.

Listening to ''breathe in, breathe out and you're high'' while feeling like Adam in Eden on an acid trip.

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Date: Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 21:49:18 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Van the Man
Message:
Just being on this forum dates us, n'est-ce pas? ;)
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Date: Tues, Dec 04, 2001 at 22:16:08 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: Too true :) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:29:12 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Kelly
Subject: Hi Kelly -ot
Message:
Kelly! I thought you went off and died of a hiccup attack last night!

Hugs and kisses, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:43:13 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Hi Kelly -ot
Message:
Marianne,
I've still got hiccups, what can it be? can you call me, as for some reason I can't send e-mails though I can receive them, and I've lost your phone number...call me and I'll call you back.
love Kelly
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:27:57 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: He's had a tremendous influence on me
Message:
Remember: My sweet Lord .....
Hare Krishna ....

in my 'spiritual search'.

I'm sad.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:50:30 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: JM-I was just singing that song
Message:
...My Sweet Lord, I really want to see you Lord, and it won't be long...

That was a tremendous influence on my 'spiritual search' as well

Cheers,

deborah

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:14:28 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: All Things Must Pass...
Message:
That's what I'm listening to right now--the album. I am sad today.

Both Lennon and Harrison died too soon for me...:(

Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:07:49 (EST)
From: Ulf
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass...
Message:
He also made :

Think for yourself
Taxman
only a northern song
Its all too much
The inner ligth
If i needed someone
Blue jay way
I want to tell you
i need you

And offcourse he made : within you without you

All great songs , he will be missed

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:18:25 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Ulf
Subject: (Forgot ) While My Guitar Gently Weeps(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:46:34 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: While My Guitar Gently Weeps...
Message:
I forgot that one, too. George wrote, played, and sang beautiful music....
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:08:24 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Ulf
Subject: My sweet George....
Message:
After Sgt Pepper I adored the Beatles especially George, especially ''within you and without you.''

He died too young, only three years older than me.

No, I still don't like rock but post-Pepper Beatles was a lot more than rock.

I just sent you an email, ulf.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:22:17 (EST)
From: Ulf
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: My sweet George....
Message:
Hi Pat

just sent you a second e mail. with some questions ?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:16:45 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Ulf
Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass...
Message:
It's true, Ulf, he was a great talent and will be missed. 58 is young to die. When John Lennon was murdered, I was in the ashram in Gainesville, Florida, and no one told me about it. I went to work one day and saw the cover of Time Magazine or Newsweek with his face on the cover, with his dates of birth and death and was so sad, but wasn't allowed to express it--we never watched tv in the ashrams.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:55:06 (EST)
From: ulf
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass...
Message:
Yeah , i remember that day very well , When i saw that he was dead
I was thinking , that it was so sad that he amongst all did not
get the knowlegde.

All his fame was nothing , all his songs meant nothing
because, his soul never came home to M

boy , we where crazy

Ulf

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:09:35 (EST)
From: There was a MAHARAJI CULT
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Festival in Miami when Lennon was shot [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:20:19 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: There was a MAHARAJI CULT
Subject: I was there! Remember it well
Message:
Because it was also Int'l Birthday party for the BigEgotisticHead.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:45:12 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Well, no wonder...
Message:
Yes, I was at that big birthday bash in Miami. No one mentioned it. This I would have remembered.

Fucking Asshole Maharaji

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:11:21 (EST)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: still my guitar gently weeps
Message:
was my favourite song. My sweet Lord was the Hymn of all this neurotic seekers of God and I was one of it.

I had a good time listening to his music ...........wolfie ......dreaming how it was

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:43 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: moldy_warp@hotmail.com
To: wolfie
Subject: My favourite song too Wolfie
Message:
And a song he did with Ravi Shankar along the lines of...
I am missing you - Oh Krishna where are you?
Blimey - thought I'd got the answer to that question when I got into the cult!!
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:13 (EST)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: He's had a tremendous influence on me
Message:
I was just going to post the same. That song was strong in my head...lard was my Lord. Yuck!
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:14:27 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: He was my favourite Beatle
Message:
and his solo work took off and was absolutely superb. ''Something'' showed the world initially what a great songwriter and talent he was in his own right - and he went on to shine, as we all know.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:26:15 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Re: George Harrison died-more info please?
Message:
where was he? when did he pass? can not find a single thing on the net about it yet.
some posts on his website allude to it but nothing to fill out the picture.
so strange. around midnight i felt this deadness, like everything was done and there was abslutely nothing left to do. havent felt it since my mother had a massive stroke 25 years ago.
is there a given time it was pronounced official? I am in los angeles. was he here in the city at the time?
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:09 (EST)
From: Obituary
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: It started as lung cancer...
Message:
... and eventually ended with a brain tumor.
[ George Harrison Obituary, ABC news... ]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 08:03:30 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: George Harrison died-more info please?
Message:
George Harrison - Obituary

http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,609545,00.html
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:09:13 (EST)
From: I think it was
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Brain cancer.
Message:
He was in L.A. to recieve exprimental treatments, but he had stopped eating and his family was told he could die any time now.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:16:21 (EST)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: I think it was
Subject: was throat cancer
Message:
George went through throat cancer and treatments the same time I did. I understand he wasn't afraid of death and neither am I.

This life is all very impermanent and brief.
As George sang: 'it's all too much'

George with prayerful look

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:24:35 (EST)
From: Sad
Email: None
To: Bobby
Subject: Re: was throat cancer
Message:
The cancer started in his throat, went to his lungs, then to his brain.

He changed my life when I was young. He will be missed.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 07:18:39 (EST)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: I think it was
Subject: Lung cancer. NT
Message:
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:38:04 (EST)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: he was in LA
Message:
LONDON (Reuters) - George Harrison, who shot to worldwide fame with the Beatles, has died 'with love on his mind' in Los Angeles after a long fight against cancer, a family friend said Friday.

almost full moon knows it too

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:02:29 (EST)
From: Kaj
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: premie rumours about George
Message:
I always liked George, he had such a humble appearance. I remember in the early 70s, there was a premie rumour that Bubblegumji, after hearing 'My Sweet Lord' om the radio, said: 'This man will soon receive Knowledge'. Anybody else heard that rumour?
Then there was another rumour as well, claiming that George one day was supposed to have called up the Palace of Peace in London, saying:
'Hello, I'm George Harrison, can I receive Knowledge?' After it was explained to him about the aspirant process etc, he supposedly dropped his interest. Again, I don't know the truth about this story. Can it be confirmed?
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:25:24 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Kaj
Subject: WISHFUL Thinking on Maha's part [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:46:10 (EST)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: Kaj
Subject: Re: premie rumours about George
Message:
In early September of '71 when M first came to New York. We had a townhouse on 10th street.

When settling into his room, next to the knowledge room in the basement, somehow mention of the song 'My Sweet Lord' came up. I was there when M responded with words to the effect 'He will' to someone's mention of the verse 'I really want to see you'.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 11:53:07 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Kaj
Subject: George was in a different cult.
Message:
George Harrison wasn't in Captain Rawats cult, he was in the Harry Krishnas. He bought them a big mansion outside London.

Anth

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 22:39:51 (EST)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Is everything a cult Anth????
Message:
George Harrison wasn't in Captain Rawats cult, he was in the Harry Krishnas. He bought them a big mansion outside London.

Anth


---

How about fans of a football club or music group? Are they in a cult?

Someone quoted Bertrand Russell to try to disprove a previous post of mine. How about this quote from the man.

'Few people can be happy unless they hate some other person, nation, or creed.'
-- Bertrand Russell

And Anth, how about this quote from Oscar Wilde. From what I know of you, I think that if you think this quote over for a while, it could have a positive effect. Please take this quote to heart,

'To love oneself is the beginning of a life-long romance.'
-- Oscar Wilde

Take that baby for a spin AJ and let me know what you think.

The Deputised One

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 05:58:12 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: george had the distinction of...
Message:
being the only person in the world who ever offered maharaji a rolls royce, and having maharaji decline to take it from him.
Olivia Arias, his wife..who is now his widow.., has been a premie since at least 1974, that i know of. her sister Linda, also a premie, once invited me to go with her to their recording studios at Darkhorse to help her do some office stuff that year, but i didn't take her up on it. Jiva was recording there at the time.
I think George offered Maharaji the Rolls as a kind of aspirant gift, but Maharaji said he wouldn't accept it because George didn't really understand the scope of what was required to receive Knowledge.
Looking back, George was saved from a lifetime of being duped, by that scenario. That was Real Grace. George wanted to see His Sweet Lord, and I think tonight his realness and willingness to wait and stay true to himself ushered him into the presence of his Lord as he deserved it.

I would far rather listen to 'My Sweet Lord' and sing the words to ARTI as he sang them, on the record, and think of him and how he led his life, than to remember them the way we were all swindled into uttering them and believing them and directing them at the fat bastard.

If you have the song around in the house, play it and give a listen for the words in hindi as we used to sing them. You'll be able to pick them out in the chorus in the background.
'Guru bramha, guru vishnu..
guru deva..
guru sakshat
tas mai shri
guru veh, namah

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 06:23:01 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: george had the distinction of...
Message:
come to think of it, it's not hard to figure out the dynamic that was taking place, there: George never had to ask people for millions or adoration. he just was himself and did what he did, and it was spontaneously poured upon him. maharaji looked at that and hated him for it. to george, a rolls royce was nothing. he could have whatever he wanted, honestly, for honest talent and honest acclaim. he was world famous, known wherever he went, and the public and the press respected him and welcomed him for his accomplishments. that was something maharaji would envy, hate, resent and find insulting and galling. of course he wouldn't want a gift from George. he wanted to be more important than him, more revered, more celebrated, more received, honored, recognized, loved--and he couldn't be. would never be. George would always be bigger than he was.So of course he would spurn the gift. It would expose too much truth if he had taken it. In fact, it would have damned his soul to hell, for all times and for all to see, so he quickly devised an excuse to dodge it.
He didn't want George's Rolls Royce, he wanted his soul, and George was sharp enough not to fall for it.

So Things stayed as they should--clean, right and true, and George never stained his soul with the likes of such a pompous, assinine pretender. He kept ownership of his own mind and soul and waited for the real thing. And I am quite convinced he made the right choice, and I'm sure he got his ultimate reward, tonight.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:19:12 (EST)
From: Friend of George and Olivia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Maharaji hated George Harrison?
Message:
Because he had a Rolls Royce and a shitload of cash?
That is sick baby, sick. Totally untrue.

By your great and noble truths those would surely be the first thing he would relieve George of. Right? That is what Maharaji is in it for after all. Isn't he? Oh, you haven't quite decided?

It changes according to your dark whims?

You are a very strange bunch of people who agree with the twisted cretin above who made such outrageous slurs about someone she knows zero about. Make that two people.

For your information, George really dug Maharaji - but don't let that get in the way of any wicked stories you'll come up with to keep the empty minds entertained for another day.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:32:55 (EST)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Friend of George and Olivia
Subject: Wrong , George was unimpressed
Message:
Ask Olivia - Even Charanand had no impact on George. He thought that Maha was just another fast food yoga salesman. Olivia wanted him to get nollij and invited various premies up to the manor to try and seduce George but no result.

George certainly did not dig Maharaji but only tolerated his wife's involvement in the rip off because he loved and respected her.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 18:00:43 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: karen@ringrose.org.uk
To: Hal
Subject: Re: Wrong , George was unimpressed
Message:
Hi Hal,
I just wanted to say hello..but also to support you, I once spent a day on a beach in Miami maybe 1978 with one or two friends and Olivia was there. Can you imagine her position? Her husband was worshipping the supreme personality of Godhead i.e. Krisna and, for her part she knew that M was that self-same being..in the flesh!! We touched on this but mostly we just swam and sunbathed..She did make it clear that George respected M and that she was still hoping he could be persuaded!
Hows life with you?
luv Kelly
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:54:52 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Maharaji was Envious of George...I bet...
Message:
I could just picture it: you've got a Beatle, famous around the world, in the money, very handsome and tall and thin, and he wasn't selling devotion to himself, just his music, as well as helping out people in true need.

Then there's Maharaji, a nobody guru from India with virtually no fame or name recognition in the world (except for the one m made up in his twisted mind), hawking himself as god-in-a-bod, so he could collect cash, checks, gifts, and of course, people.

I would speculate he was extremely envious of George Harrison.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:54:42 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: George recorded Charanand
Message:
According to Charanand himself, as he told the story earlier this year, George Harrison recorded him singing bhajans. The way he told the story, he was proud of having been in George's studio.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:52:49 (EST)
From: Joy
Email: joyfenwick@onetel.net.uk
To: Friend of George and Olivia
Subject: Hey friend . . . A couple of questions
Message:
Instead of slinging insults at the majority of us who loved and revered George because of a couple of comments one person made (a habit I've noticed premies who visit here tend to have -- deflecting attention from the major issues), could you possibly say a thing or two about George and Olivia that might be helpful to people here?

For instance, is Olivia still a premie? I know she was around 1979 when I once rode to the Miami airport in a car with her, from the Miami Convention Center, all of us bound for LA (where I lived at the time doing graphics service out at SHIP). What was/is the extent of her involvement with Maharaji? She and George must have had a great deal of respect for each other's spiritual paths to be married all those years and in different traditions. How did that work for them? Care to engage anybody here in any civilized dialogue about it? If you really did know them, I'm sure you must be very sad right now, but we'd all like to hear anything you'd care to tell us and hopefully we could keep it from becoming a premie-vs-ex slanging match.

--Joy

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:10:42 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Question
Message:
When you first heard about M and knowledge, were you out looking specifically for something or were you introduced
to it at a vulnerable or uncertain time in your life?

I ask this because I have not heard of anyone who was at the heighth of their career, madly inlove, or happy/content with their homelife and then chucked it all the minute they heard about M.

Charanand always said M told him the hippies were his gonna-be devotees, so don't criticize their drugs. Did he and Mahta size up the rich with possiblilies dysfunctional west and knew we were ripe for the picking? It's not as if he started out giving seminars in country clubs and corporate office spaces.

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Date: Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 05:28:47 (EST)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: I was in between crests of my 'career',
Message:
When you first heard about M and knowledge, were you out looking specifically for something or were you introduced
to it at a vulnerable or uncertain time in your life?

I ask this because I have not heard of anyone who was at the heighth of their career, madly inlove, or happy/content with their homelife and then chucked it all the minute they heard about M.

Charanand always said M told him the hippies were his gonna-be devotees, so don't criticize their drugs. Did he and Mahta size up the rich with possiblilies dysfunctional west and knew we were ripe for the picking? It's not as if he started out giving seminars in country clubs and corporate office spaces.


---

(I've had somewhat of a roller coaster finaancial life; made and lost 2 small fortunes; hope to maintain 'worldly sucess' next time I get ther now that I'm sober). But I was fairly happy. I was in college, having got out of the Navy and moved to Michagin to help reorganize the family furniture business after my grandfather's death.

I had met a premie, Gary Toth, who picked me up hitchiking. His friends with K all repulsed me; like me when I 1st got K, they preached, and I hated that as I was already a yogi. (7 years of martial arts discipline, hatha & kundalini yoga training, had already been taught the kryas 3 times in other traditions).

So I went to see Parlokanand to please Gary; was blown away and dropped out to folloew him around till I got K.

Don't think you are interested in any of the experiances that convinced me K and M were the real deal, so let me just say they happened. And this was while drugs and booze were still my friends, long before they stopped working for me. I was still functional, long away from 'pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization', as we say in AA. So I sort of fit the bill of a pre premie of the kind you say you never met.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 22:36:49 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Thanks everyone
Message:
Very telling, this thread. It was something I read in the linked articule, was it Arthur? My suspician is we were sitting ducks, here in the western world. And yet we thought it was such a miracle that we came to m and knowledge at just the right time in our lives.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:02:19 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Answer - I'd hit rock bottom...
Message:
...and thought I needed help. Well, the help came with strings.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:35:46 (EST)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: At a vulnerable time...
Message:
I first heard about M&K at a vulnerable and uncertain time in my life. I had just moved to California a few months previously. I had a good paying job, a had my first boyfriend and I had moved in with him a few weeks earlier, and life was looking pretty peachy. Then there was a construction accident at work, where a stack of 2 tons of steele beams toppled over onto me, crushing me under a construction fence.

I thought I was going to die, it was a near-death experience for me. It left me very aware of my mortality, and that death could come at any time. I had always been a "truth seeker", and now felt a new urgency to connect with something meaningful in my life.

I was only 20 years old. I was far from family and friends. The boyfriend lost interest in me (my front teeth were smashed-out), began having sex with other men while I was still living with him, and wanted me to find someplace else to live. I was on crutches and painkillers for months. I met this group of gay hippy-premies in the Haight Ashbury, who were fun-loving and very kind to me. One thing let to another, and I recieved K on Christmas Eve, 1981.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:11:26 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Re: Answer
Message:
I was absolutely not searching for truth, religion, or a gugu.

Although, at the time, in 1975, I was very vulnerable, even though I was 21. When I look back at it now, it was premies and community that attracted me, had to be--I'd never met the urug.

Yes, I believe I needed a community. I became an atheist at age 15 so I wouldn't have looked for community in mainstream religions. I, well, I just got caught.

Now, I've released myself from his bondage. I still miss the feeling of the community.

Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:24:49 (EST)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Answer
Message:
Hi Cynthia:

Are you all keeping warm there in the mountians?

I found the warmth, humor and loving kindness of the gay premie community in the Haight-Ashbury in the early 1980's to be very seductive. They were so unlike other gay men, or so I thought, I really hadn't had much experience with gay men. But they were part of a gay premie community, and that made them different from other gays I'd met. That sense of community is very attractive when you are feeling weak and vulnerable.

I know what you mean about religion, too. I also was attracted to K because it was not a mainstream religion, in fact, everyone kept insisting it was NOT a religion at all, but an experience. And whenever anything seemed weird about M or K, the premies just emphasized feelings over reason, they were often willing to sacrifice reason in favor of emotions, instead of keeping them both, balancing one with the other.

I just eventually just bought into that sloppy thinking, without really even realizing it. I guess most of us did. It was easy to do at the time, but there was still a price to pay for it down the road. I guess you could say it was youthful immaturity on our part? The wisdom of hindsight was the one thing we did not have back then.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:54 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Re: Answer
Message:
Hi Chuck,

Actually, it's too warm here. I don't mind it, but our local economy depends upon weather. Yesterday we had snow and freezing rain, then the temperature went up to 50 deg. F today and it's pouring out. Ya can't even make snow when it's that warm out.

I was weak and vulnerable because I had a rough homelife. Having a new, and ''perfect'' father was very appealing to me. I think that m breaking down the communities and gagging the premies was the BEG-inning of the end, at least in the west.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:00:14 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Both/hippies/Bill Patterson
Message:
I was both very young, and vulnerable, and I was, subconsciously, looking for a way out of the uncertainty that was in my life at the time I encountered premies. M seemed to offer a simple way of ending the uncertainty.

[One thing about Maharaji that I think people mistake as an indication that what he says actually has some substance, which I do not believe does, is that he ALWAYS speaks with absolute certainty, which I think is from him believing in who he is, having been told so since he was born, not from any kind of profound understanding, and because he learned that if you say anything that way, some people will accept it as profound. Most people, especially Westerners rarely hear someone speaking with such absolute certainty, and it does have an effect on some.]

Regarding the hippie statement. You can't believe anything Charanand ever said, and I understand he has admitted of late that he just made things up to make Maharaji seem all-knowing and powerful, etc., partly to help feather his own nest.

But if that statement about 'hippies' is true, I think it came from the fact that the first Westerners who encountered Maharaji in India were hippies who did a lot of hash. Many of the 'Gurus' in India actively 'courted' these Westerners as a way to gain fame and money in the West, especially after seeing what the Beatles did for the Maharishi in the 60s.

Bill Patterson used to tell a great story about how he went to India as a youth seeking "truth" and encountered a number of Gurus, several of whom offered him prestigious places in their ashrams so that they could get an American devotee who might be a means of tapping into the money and fame in the West. Of course, he ended up with M, and helped do just that for him.

BTW, I spoke with a premie who is "questioning" last night and this person said that Bill Patterson was put in charge of South America by M, but was given no funds to operate. Apparently due to this and other unsavory things M did to him, Bill rejected Maharaji some years ago, and was very angry at him. Anyone know where he is now?

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 21:19:16 (EST)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Both/hippies/Bill Patterson
Message:
Joe,
I heard there is a program in Denver Sunday,12/2 - I don't have any details yet. If I can handle the traffic I'll go shopping and drop in . If I see Bill or anyone interestng.I'll report in.
Elaine
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 21:19:00 (EST)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Both/hippies/Bill Patterson
Message:
Joe,
I heard there is a program in Denver Sunday,12/2 - I don't have any details yet. If I can handle the traffic I'll go shopping and drop in . If I see Bill or anyone interestng.I'll report in.
Elaine
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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 00:19:52 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Elaine
Subject: Hi Elaine
Message:
Hi Elaine. I read your post about being a non-premie now. I know times have been rough for you here occasionally, but I think for most of us regulars, it is bound to happen. Thanks for saying that you're now a non-premie as a result of the information you've learned here. Guess that's sort of like Purgatory for those of us who are exCatholics. Anyway, welcome to the next waystation in your life. This process is usually not easy, and I am sure there are many here who are willing sounding boards should you want us. Me included.

If you go to the Denver event and want to report back, fine. If you just don't have it in you to attend, ignore it. There are certainly better ways to spend your time. Take care of yourself in these new fragile moments. Congratulations on leaving the cult.

Marianne

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 09:50:56 (EST)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Hi Elaine-thanks
Message:
So Marianne,
Question - so just now - I looked at some (98) newsletters I'd been sent by Elan Vital. As you can see I don't get to the internet often.
So I read alittle and skimmed and deleted - now I'm down to 63!

So my question is - some of the words M said were very wise and clear and inspiring. And I thought - if he really is a jerk in it for the money,women and drugs, let's say - how come he is able to say such beautiful words. That may sound dumb - but,I started to wonder - who IS this guy?
I did notice that as I was feeling my breath more reading his words...he then started talking about 'the importance of the Master' and then I stopped reading and deleted that stuff quickly.

Have you figured out who he is then? Because he's not your everyday simple con artist in it for the money.

Thanks,Elaine

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 16:45:45 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Gotta make up your own mind, Elaine
Message:
Elaine, look. I do think he's a con artist, but not a simple one. And unfortunately his words have inspired premies to launch personal attacks on me by trying to sully my reputation in the legal community. I find what he says to be simplistic garbage.

If you feel otherwise, that is your choice. I do not see it as my job to try to make you into an ex-premie. It sounds as though you are trying to sort out for yourself exactly what all of this means to you. I hope you will continue to do that, and will continue to question the glaring contradictions between what Maharaji says and does.

Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:44:38 (EST)
From: RMandrake
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe, Excellent insight on M
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:13:34 (EST)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe:a ? and an answer
Message:
Question: What did you hear about charanand lately that indicated that he lied or exaggerated about m?

Answer:Regarding Bill patterson, I have heard from a close friend of his that Bill rejected m many years ago, but unfortunately he had a severe accident about 5 years ago, and is having a hard time even doing basic functions in his everyday life.
He had many complaints and inside stuff to share about m, but is probably unable to remember or talk about them now....very sad, if true, as Bill was a very sincere and enthusiastic guy....

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Date: Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 17:26:04 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: denver maybe? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:10:52 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Gurucharanand/Patterson
Message:
I would have to look in the archives, but I recall somebody having a fairly recent conversation with Charanand about all the things he said in the past, and as an explanation, he said he either made up or exaggerated things, just to make Maharaji sound more significant, or something to that effect.

That's awful to hear that about Patterson. I really liked that guy, and he was always very kind to me. He carried a lot of water for M, cleaned up a lot of his messes, and should never have been treated in such a rotten fashion. Knowing the TOTAL ONE-POINTED DEVOTEE Bill was, it must have been truly a outrageous series of events for him to reject M.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:21:26 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: That's sad to hear...
Message:
Bill Patterson was one guy who was reachable, energetic, and kind.

I think m really abused him badly and all the time.

Where ever he is, I send him my good thoughts...

Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 13:57:22 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: That's sad to hear...
Message:
I agree Cynthia. Bill was a real human being as was Mishler. I was proud to have worked with them in what we thought was a noble cause. Bill, for all his humanity, seemed to be tortured trying to live up to M's impossible criteria. I wish Bill, his sister, brother and mother all the very best.

Richard

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 15:23:09 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: My loving thought to Bill Patterson too
Message:
He was a real premie/lover. I hate hearing about awful things that have happened to people who left Rawat.

I sometimes wonder how much of a role grief and depression has in these misfortunes and if they could have been avoided if they had the exes to help them deprogram the Maharajism juju.

The ex cybercommunity is very important to help people get the former LOTU in proportion, to go beyond their grief and fears.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:08:31 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Adolescence
Message:
Not much experience of the world. Naive and believing, young, peer pressure, innocence and purity.

See in a way, Maharaji is the ultimate paedophile.

Interesting thought and a right on comparison.

Tonette

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:45:08 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Hmmm how interesting !
Message:
I think it is true... that 'feelings' especially unspecified ones, or of trust and devotion are not the central issue in the board rooms of multinational companies.

perhaps 'feelings' pray upon vulnerability because TO feelings we are vulnerable.

oh Gosh..... how to express more clearly..

aaargh

Loafie xx

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:14:14 (EST)
From: Michael McDonald
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I'm changing my handle to McDuck
Message:
because Michael McDonald takes too long to type and it sound so frigging formal. 'McDuck' is a nickname from about 1974, given to me by one of Mr Rawat's current instructors, and it's still in use today.

Who knows, it may change my cyberpersonality.

McDuck

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 23:57:22 (EST)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: Arrghh, McDuck is colonising the known universe
Message:
From humble beginnings to a weekly column to cyberspace. Is McDuck searching for his marooned pal, Howard the Duck?
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:03:38 (EST)
From: such
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: ok, takin it to da stweets...
Message:
so, maybe you gonna be in da Fiesta Bowl now, Mr. McDuck...
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 01:08:18 (EST)
From: McDuck
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Re: ok, takin it to da stweets...
Message:
Lost on me, such, I'm Australian. Please explain.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:26:27 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: McDuck
Subject: A shot
Message:
Such can correct me if this isn't what he meant.

The University of Oregon (or is it Oregon State?) football team (American football, not soccer)are known as the 'Ducks.' I think they are doing quite well this year, and may get an invite to the 'Fiesta Bowl' (one of the many 'bowl games' (Rose, Orange, Cotton, etc.) around New Years.

I think that's what Such means, unless, of course, he meant something else.

Joe (whose boyfriend is amazed he so loves football and was so happy to see the Rams lose last week
---
BTW: Go 49ers and Go Raiders!!!!)

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 17:23:38 (EST)
From: McDuck
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Thanks, Joe NT
Message:
xx
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:44:32 (EST)
From: Forum Duck
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck
Message:
Well, I've been a duck all my life and it never hurt me. Just watch out for those hunters though. Quack
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:20:51 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Michael McDonald
Subject: Re: I'm changing my handle to McDuck
Message:
Regarding your statement: Who knows, it may change my cyberpersonality.

Are you saying your posts are not what they're quacked up to be.

Nice to see you enjoying yourself. We have a few laughs here in between guru bashing, don't we?

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:46:05 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Question for Rich Mandrake
Message:
Did everyone attending the San Diego program have to be searched and go through metal detectors?
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:28:36 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Donations in CASH
Message:
This indicates to me that the money is going to Maharaji directly. With cash, it is impossible to determine where the money is going, and if wasn't going directly to Maharaji's pocket, there would have been no reason to ask for CASH.

Like Rich said, the hall rental was at most a few hundred dollars, if even that, and the other expenses maybe amounted to a few thousand dollars, and if 35,000 to 40,000 dollars was collected at just this event, multiplied by Westchester, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and now Seattle, we are approaching a quarter million, with maybe $10,000 in costs.

Making the statement that this was NOT Elan Vital's 'event' was also important, because it Elan Vital was sponsoring an event for the purpose of money going to an individual (Maharaji), they would lose their tax-exempt status if it was discovered. Hence, EV had to say it had nothing to do with it. That's why there was nothing on the EV website about it, and why EV did not in any way announce the event, officially.

What is astounding, though, is that they would LIE to the premies and tell them that the event was 'expensive' and they needed the $100, IF NOT MORE, to cover the costs of the 'event.' That is obviously a huge lie.

Since Maharaji has residences all over the world, and his personal expenses are astronomical, if donations are down, this is a way for him to line his personal pockets.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 00:46:11 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Hi Marianne...
Message:
Yep...There was a metal detector at the entrance. We werent frisked..at least I wasnt. They had those trays were you put all your metal objects(.coins..cell phones....roach clips etc.) .and then you walk thru the Metal detector into the Promised Land. Although the prevailing opinion seemed to be that this was a result of 911, I kinda thought Maharaji is becoming more aware of the ex-premies and the potential for an expression of anger as his behavior becomes more publicized...What do you think , Marianne??.....Here is a repost of my reply to a few questions by Michael Donner and others

Thanks Everyone for your Words of Support I very Much appreciate them...and it looks like One troll got the password...

To answer a few questions:

Although I have been a regular contributor to Maharaji until I found EPO this summer, there are no premies in San Diego with whom I have much contact.. Thus no one was particularly aware of my recent Ex-hood. I did tell the head of the Contribution program at Elan Vital the reason why I was no longer donating to Maharaji, but apparently that did not get me on the Black List.

I was contacted by a woman who is one of the major church ladies here. She told me in hushed tones that Maharaji was having a Special event here in San Diego in a few days. She Called it an Appointment. She told me that I was invited and as a San Diego Premie I would be sitting in the front. She also told me Maharaji had been having other events like this around the country and he had been have question and answer sessions at them (to my memory though this proved to be inaccurate). Then she explained that since Maharaji wanted this very private I should NOT TELL ANYONE about the event. She said that premies from San Diego and Orange County (not Los Angeles) were invited and they were expecting 500 people. Further, the event was paid for by a private party..NOT Elan Vital. and because it is very expensive ...It would REALLY Help if I could give as much as I could. The requested donation was $100 but if I could give more that would be Greatly appreciated….and CASH is Preferred. I had the distinct impression that whoever she was in contact with was stressing the need to maximize donations..and Cash.

What else?...Well..There were metal detectors at the doors much like going thru an airport terminal. I had a mini tape recorder in my blazer pocket ( to record my question and his answer for posterity) but when I saw the Metal detector, I ditched it in my car. The venue itself was a meeting room in a moderately upscale Hotel in Del Mar. I had been to a Real Estate Seminar or such there before. I cant imagine it costing more than $500 to rent for a Saturday afternoon. There were no concessions at the event. I did not pay cash as requested. The check was to be made out to 'Appointment Event.' Maharaji spoke for an hour and accepted the Premies grateful prostrations for another hour. Quick , Dirty and Profitable. Contrary to what my Church Lady had told me, Premies from as far away as Santa Barbara had been invited. I suspect that anyone who had been a recent contributor in Southern California had been invited. There was no 'Darshan' at the event. Money was only brought up by the churchlady…No..actually I remember Maharaji weaved several metaphors about gold bricks and other allusions of monetary gain into his 'satsang'…I was thinking to myself at the time that this accurately reflected his real priorities. He did mention something about another program coming up..but I forget exactly what he said…I believe it might have been when one of the Premies alluded to missing 'Darshan'..without saying the word……and he suggested that there may be something coming up…but my memory is vague on that…. Upon leaving the program I did a quick estimation of the attendance figure…counting rows and columns. I estimate the attendance was probably around 350-400 devotees of the Former Lord God. And one or two monmots.

Thanks again Everybody…You're incredible people. Im thinking we should democratically elect a Satguru from amongst us..…and have our OWN Darshan Event….just for old times sake…Whatdyathink??..Any other questions?..RichMandrake.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:47:36 (EST)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: how sleazy and tacky
Message:
It just seems to get more revolting. Such a transparent con. How can anyone in their right mind fall for it. Bleh!
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 03:30:43 (EST)
From: Nick
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: Another question for Rich
Message:
Rich

When you paid your cash, were you given a receipt - as in, is the money going through the books?

Nick

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 02:53:56 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: OMG! How easy it would be!
Message:
Want your trust funds back guys?
They're doing programs in cash now? That's too rich!
Time to go and tip the till, not with a gun mind you, no something more sly. Oh how easy it would be! Not even that challenging but a thrill never the less and oh so satisfying.

How very interesting.

Thanks for that.

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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 14:12:28 (EST)
From: ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: OMG! How easy it would be!
Message:
If an Ex goes they should give $100 bucks and document it, its either a chairitable contirbution to EV or a GIFT to M which may be taxable income. Why would a legitimate business / church want cash instead of checks unless it was TO INTENTIONALLY AVOID PAYING TAXES. Is this M's goal? Hell give him $650 in cash and then file a 1099 on him.
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Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 16:35:40 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: ben Lurking
Subject: Great Idea ben...
Message:
File a 1099! LOL!

Let's see, if the IRS gets a lot of 1099s on him, and the figures would be high, well, maybe he'd just lose his tax-exempt status.

What a freak!

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:07:51 (EST)
From: Julian
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Bjorn the Spiteful is posting on LG & AG
Message:
He's using just his initials. Thought some of you might be interested.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:19:09 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Julian
Subject: Don't engage him on AG
Message:
AG is for those of us who enjoy having a laugh and light conversation. The guy is a fuckin creep. And he called San Francisco (I think it was public defender's office) to get Marianne in trouble on more than one occasion.

Can we do it for her, if not for the rest of us, or yourself?

He is a psycho and his posts are disturbing and only pollute the pages. He is obsessed w/exes even in non-ex fora.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 23:28:51 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Agree with Deb
Message:
Bjorn sent emails to the San Francisco Public Defender's Office -- where CAC said I worked -- to complain about me being a cyberstalker. I do not and never have worked there. Even after the people he emailed told him I did not work there, he continued to send emails accusing me of crimes. These emails are sufficient basis for a civil lawsuit against Bjorn and the CAC authors who falsely stated I worked at the San Francisco Public Defender's Office.

Bjorn is a dangerous, loose cannon. Ignore him.

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Nov 29, 2001 at 22:03:31 (EST)
From: The Lord of the Universe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Come fly with me
Message:
How exciting to be with me one more time. Come to Hall B of the Miami Beach Convention Centre one more time. (1901 Convention Center Dr. Miami Beach, FL on Washington Street). I think there are a few of those helium balloons still stuck on the rafter for you to look at until I take the stage.

The schedule is as follows:

Session 1 - Saturday, Dec. 8, at 5:00 pm (17.00). Session 2 - Sunday, Dec. 9, the last session is expected to end around 2:00 pm (14.00) or earlier if I'm tired or hungover.

You can begin to register late tonight online. Don't forget your SmartCard if you have one. The registration is a bundle. I need some getaway cash. All this talk of viruses is making me thirsty for another cognac. Hey Frenchies--bring me some duty-free bottles, will you?

Use my travel agency, Bestway Travel--Miami
Telephone: 800-938-0786 (from within USA) or
305-861-7005, email at info@bestway.it register online at www.bestway.it. I need the kickback.

I look forward to seeing you there at my feet. It may be your last chance to see me in person. When I call, you come! JSCA!




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