Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
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Joe -:- Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 22:56:11 (EST)
__ Boadicea -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:21:20 (EST)
__ Boadicea -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:05:40 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Thanks., -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:19:00 (EST)
__ __ __ Boadicea -:- Re: Thanks., -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:36:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Nee is from the French = born [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:57:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- It's only 8:30 PM -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:45:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Boadicea -:- Re: It's only 8:30 PM -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 00:36:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- It -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:42:37 (EST)
__ AJW -:- Glenn the wigless. -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 18:13:04 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- What no hairpiece???? -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 18:15:16 (EST)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Investigation warranted. -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:57:25 (EST)
__ peg -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:56:06 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Question, Peg -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 14:50:08 (EST)
__ __ __ Peg -:- Too much lurve! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 22:29:26 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- I wish I could help -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:58:36 (EST)
__ Mike Finch -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:55:41 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- Well spotted Mike. -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 18:15:22 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- One other person -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:51:37 (EST)
__ __ __ Mike Finch -:- Re: One other person -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:01:23 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Thanks Mike -- More on the Video -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:57:32 (EST)
__ __ __ Disculta -:- Sari to hear that -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:13:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Very funny Dis -- but true -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:36:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Revisionism in a nutshell -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:25:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Can I wear my gold sari? -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:28:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- I am so sari -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:40:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Too late. Let's do it! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:57:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- How about Sunday? -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:21:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Sunday -- great -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:52:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- I'm in, but... -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:51:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Boadicea -:- Re: I'm in, but... -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:48:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Who's Sari Now? -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:29:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Re: Who's Sari Now? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:33:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- I'm sari, so sari -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 14:28:23 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Latvian invitation -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:36:09 (EST)
__ __ Anon -:- #4 is Janet Wallace... -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:05:12 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Re: #4 is Janet Wallace... -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:14:34 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:15:56 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Copying videos -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:34:35 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Copying videos -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:13:27 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:39:42 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Thanks Pat -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:01:34 (EST)
__ __ __ michael donner -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:50:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:41:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Boadicea -:- What is it with you & this blonde? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 00:51:00 (EST)

Sir Dave -:- Well that does it -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:48:35 (EST)
__ fly on wall in k session -:- scuttlebutt on dvd 'k' etc. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:31:10 (EST)
__ __ Boadicea -:- Absofuckinlutely!!!(nt) -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:05:08 (EST)
__ __ wolfie -:- it's so perfect!!!!! -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:13:57 (EST)
__ __ Tonette -:- I want you to know.... -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:24:32 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- Ahoy there mate, thanks for throwing the life ring [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 18:00:47 (EST)
__ __ Francesca -:- **Best of FORUM** fly aye, aye! -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 17:36:59 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Yes, Fly, great post for sure [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 16:27:29 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Similar to what I'm hearing -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:02:30 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- Brilliantly said, Fly! [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:25:09 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Great Post, Fly! -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:57:42 (EST)
__ JHB -:- Dave, you're up early/late! -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:56:50 (EST)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Nothing so spectacular -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:27:33 (EST)
__ __ __ AJW -:- St Peters Church Hall. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:15:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ berni -:- Re: St Peters Church Hall. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:13:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: St Peters Church Hall. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:29:50 (EST)

JHB -:- EPO is truly worldwide -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:22:40 (EST)
__ Joe -:- John, can you explain??? -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:17:51 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Yes, I can -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 16:49:52 (EST)
__ janet -:- ooh-264 hits by the... -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:13:34 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- 264 hits by US government -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:52:38 (EST)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Re: 264 hits by US government -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 16:51:23 (EST)
__ Pat:C) -:- Thank you, John [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 20:37:18 (EST)
__ harry pothead -:- how come afghanistan is not on your list?? -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 03:52:38 (EST)
__ __ janet -:- see, there's this war, on? -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:18:32 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- Short term memory problems mate. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:24:11 (EST)
__ Brian S. -:- Bravo! and Thank You JHB [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 02:20:07 (EST)

AJW -:- Knowledge by DVD. -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 16:31:40 (EST)
__ Sulla -:- Re: Knowledge by DVD. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:44:10 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Spanish Forum and EPO -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:48:09 (EST)
__ __ __ Sulla -:- Re: Spanish Forum and EPO -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 15:29:07 (EST)
__ Marianne -:- So that's what they did... -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:11:36 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Hi Marianne! OT -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:39:16 (EST)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Hi Cynthia - ot -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:08:14 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- All except for Peter Frampton. -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 18:25:40 (EST)

Jim -:- M's next step (in self-caricature) -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 15:15:43 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Even in your darkest hour.. -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:48:19 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- But the con goes on -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:38:38 (EST)
__ __ fly on wall -:- Re: But the con goes on -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:24:22 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Interesting Point -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:47:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Also.... ELK is in the way -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:07:42 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Life as a computer game -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:33:03 (EST)
__ salsa -:- the worst I have seen -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:18:07 (EST)
__ __ WMary -:- Re: the worst I have seen -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:14:30 (EST)
__ __ __ Salsa -:- Keyword: ZOMBIES -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:32:28 (EST)
__ Richard -:- We started without you, Jim -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 16:12:22 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Hm, so you just couldn't wait, eh? -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 16:27:56 (EST)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Hm, so you just couldn't wait, eh? -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:34:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Sorry, I don't buy it -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:51:11 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Barbara -:- Memoirs of a Geisha is due in 2003 -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 20:49:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- The Master (ot) -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 18:33:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Great Books from 2001 (OT) -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:55:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Great Books from 2001 (OT) -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 18:51:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- I figured that, Anth -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 19:03:50 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Hey Jim...(OT) -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 11:40:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Mao and Mick -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 21:04:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Owen Meany -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:19:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Re: Owen Meany -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 15:22:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Maupin/Tyler/Shipping News -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 16:02:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Barbara Kingsolver OT -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:27:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Re: Barbara Kingsolver OT -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:36:54 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- My stomach is fine... -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 18:43:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- That's easily solved -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 19:59:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: That's easily solved -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 20:11:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- About fat.... -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 12:00:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pullaver -:- Re: About fat.... -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:15:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Oh Yes, Rubenesque... -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:18:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- or zaftig is nice too but not for boys :C) [nt] -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:42:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- J 'da'Flex and Ghost -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 05:52:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Radical queer house - ot -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:34:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Hi Pat. -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 21:17:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Avoirdupoisly challeged, Anth - OT -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 03:47:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- American pounds? -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:28:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Yes, we speak American... -:- Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:38:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- We've always spoken English. -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 15:30:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- And Yanks love Brit Royalty too -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 15:57:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- You can have the lot of them Pat. -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:05:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Barbara Windsor??? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 03:52:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- LOL. nt -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 15:48:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Link to new posters -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 20:17:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Yeah, THAT loneliness -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 21:51:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Sorry, I don't buy it -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 18:31:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Just as I thought -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 19:08:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Just as I thought -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 20:02:43 (EST)

R.W. -:- Newspaper Ads -:- Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 13:49:36 (EST)
__ MRC -:- Re: Newspaper Ads -:- Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:23:08 (EST)


Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 22:56:11 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: kevjo@mindspring.com
To: All
Subject: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
A wavering, fence-sitting premie sent me a copy of a video called Passages -- A Master's Journey that is ripe for a lot of comment. I think it was put together by Visions or what is it, Dudley Doorite Productions or something. Schlocky music and it definitely implies that M's "lineage" is intact.

I would like to make copies of it and send it to a bunch of exes for comment because it is just so full of it. It is supposed to be a 'history' of M coming to the West, but it is mostly amazing revisionist spin on a number of subjects, including, the ashrams, why people left Maharaji, about how M has already succeeded in making K available to everyone in the entire world (Hello?? ever been to China where 1/4 of the world lives, for example?), etc.

There are about 10 people who give disjointed comments on all this, and true to Maharaji's wont their names never appear on the video, so you have to kind of guess who they are. I would like to confirm a few identities, because I want to connect what they say with some other things they have said. Any information would be helpful.

The video is HEAVILY edited and not very well, either. In some cases, people are almost cut-off mid-sentence. I'm wondering how much editorial control the people had. I'm not sure how much was taken out of context. So, I think we have to keep that in mind.

Three I recognize: Gurucharanand, Joan Apter and John Hampton (who does not look well -- anyone know if he's been ill?)

1. One British guy refers to himself as 'Glenn' and I assume that is Glenn Whittaker. He is kind of overweight, and wears either a brown wig or a less-than-flattering hairpiece. He has gray in his mustache but not one gray hair among the synthetic hairs on his head. Is that Glenn Whittaker?

2. There is an older, British bald guy with glasses and a gray beard who I think is Ron Geaves. He is by far the most featured speaker, other than Charanand who is allowed to blather on endlessly. A couple of Ron's comments I found particularly troubling that I want to mention which I will in another thread. Does that description fit Ron Geaves? He talks about receiving knowledge in India and about M's arrival in 1971 in London.

3. There is a guy I think might be Gary Girard, but I'm not sure. He's American, balding, gray hair, brown eyes, mid-to-late 50s but otherwise quite nondescript looking. He mentions he was in the navy before receiving K. I don't know who else that might be. This guy is a heavy duty church lady and has the revisionist spin down pat. That really comes through. Any ideas?

4. There is a dark-haired women wearing lots of lipstick who I think is Canadian because she talked about when M told her to go give satang to the Canadian Prime Minister. She was also in England in 1971. Who might that be?

5. There is a really fat Indian guy who seems to know the whole Mata Ji story. Any ideas? Seems jovial.

6. There is British guy with long brown hair named 'George' or something like that, who acts like he is hyperactive, or on speed or something. Any idea who that is? Looks a little like an aging rock star who did lots of drugs.

7. There is a woman with long blonde hair who was around early in the USA and is from Montana, and was married by the time M got married in 1974. She seems like a very nice person, but also says a few revisionist things that need to be addressed.

8. There is a very prim and proper, smallish, British woman with short brown hair, brown eyes, otherwise very nondescript.

9. There is a balding guy with what I think is a Scottish accent who looks to be mid-50s with a red nose. He's portly, balding light brown or dirty blonde hair. I don't know where he got the red nose.

Also, anybody who would like a copy of this, entirely for criticism and educational purposes, and of course not for profit or resale, please let me know. Thanks.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:21:20 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
Yeah- Mike's got it covered.
Sorry i read and answered your post without reading anyone elses text.
Still brailling may way around.
X Boadicea.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:05:40 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
Hey Joe!
Haven't seen said Video, but here goes.
1. Glenn Whittaker
2. Ron Geaves
3. Gary Girard
4. Don't know
5. Sampuranand
6. George Blodwell
7. Bodil Colletta (nee Buch)
8. ?
9. Bobby Hendry (m's chef)
X B
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:19:00 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Boadicea
Subject: Thanks.,
Message:
Bodil COlletta. Is that Ron Colletta's wife? That's a real possibility. What does 'nee Buch' mean?

Have you seen Gary Girard recently? Does he look like I described? For some reason I thought Gary was less dorky looking, but maybe I'm wrong.

8 is Sandy Collier and you are right about the others, at least they have been confirmed by others.

4 is Janet Wallace.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:36:35 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Thanks.,
Message:
Hi Joe,
Feels great to talk with ya!

1. Yes, Bodil is Ron's wife, ( m pointed her out to him in a D line, 'She looks good' back in the day and obviously gave blessing to that little union.
nee , means maiden name - 'formerly known as' in Anglo Saxon or the ancient tongue, I believe, Anth the heretically correct will elaborate if need be i am sure.

2.I cannot comment further on Gary G as I only had a passing connect with him and as i said I have not seen this Video.
I am just going on the Descriptions you gave.

3. Mike F just said that the Blonde lady was Sandy Collier, I thought it might be her(she used to have long hair, not now)

4. I do not recollect Janet Wallace, sorry.

Joan Apter is definitely in there somewhere.

Why are you still awake?
Love B

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:57:39 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Boadicea
Subject: Nee is from the French = born [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:45:00 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Boadicea
Subject: It's only 8:30 PM
Message:
Here on the far Western Edge of the World.

Does Bodil Colletta have long blonde hair? She is kind of attractive in the video.

No, it can't be Sandy Collier, she is the brown haired English woman. The blonde woman is definitely American.

I think as more people see the video, we will identify everyone.

Thanks,

Joe

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 00:36:47 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: It's only 8:30 PM
Message:
Sorry Joe got 24hundred hours confused with Stonehenge, the translation's a bitch, especially when you have to allow for the magnetic flip to allow me to be in gondwanaland.

See how I can justify anything in my life?

I have been jumping around adding my bit of warm air to a few posts and i just found your new response.
Hard work this innit?

I shall refrain from confirming if it is Bodil or not as I have no knowledge in fact.

As i said i have not seen vid and so ... dunno.

The likelyhood of me doing so in the near future is remote. So I shal leave that confirmation to more learned readers.
Love BoadiceaXXX

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:42:37 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Boadicea
Subject: It
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 18:13:04 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Glenn the wigless.
Message:
Hi again Joe,

Sounds like Glenn Whittaker at No 1, but I'm pretty sure he' doesn't wear a wig. No 2 could well be Ron Geaves. No 6 could well be George Blodwell. Need more description for Nos 8 and 9

If you can send a copy of the pond, we'll pass it around and have a laugh.

Anth, who doesn't wear a wig either.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 18:15:16 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: What no hairpiece????
Message:
Are you sure? Sure looks like he's got a toupe of some sort, or else he just dies his hair and has a terrible hairdresser.

I will have you know, I am the gold medal winner in spotting hair pieces at 50 paces. I hear Sam Donaldson is finally getting rid of that disgusting rug he has been wearing and ABC for many years.

Mike Finch has filled in most of the details, it's two of the Americans, the one I thought was Gary Girard and the blonde woman, who are the mysteries at the moment.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:57:25 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Investigation warranted.
Message:
Hi Joe,

Next time I see Glen I'll give it a tug and see if it's real.

And then I'll pull his hair and see if it's a wig.

Anth the receeding on top, increasing on the chest, which proves life isn't fair after 50.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:56:06 (EST)
From: peg
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
They showed that video at Nottingham this summer. I loved all the schmalzy devotion at the time. A lot of more cynical premies didn't.
I saw it again after exiting along with a visions international video called 'Cause a Global Effect' an unbelievably blatant fundraising thing with donation phone numbers scrawling across the screen in the break. You wouldn't believe it.. so gross.

Of course after reading epo 'Passages' seemed very wierd and left me wondering about my flakiness and how those guys, who must all be PAMs, manage to sustain their devotion.


Don't get sued will you.


peg

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 14:50:08 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: peg
Subject: Question, Peg
Message:
What did the 'more cynical premies' say about the video? I would imagine than anyone who was questioning things, and who had been around in the 70s, would see it as a major insult to their intelligence.

Yes, it does get schmaltzy, especially at the end, what with both Joan Apter and John Hampton getting right teary-eyed.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 22:29:26 (EST)
From: Peg
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Too much lurve!
Message:
Not all premies seem to be comfortable with too much devotion anymore but I didn't move in full on circles.
Personally I did notice the spin and distortion. How I dealt with it was to tell myself he was CLEVER!!

I remember saying this to someone and them just mumbling in reply.
I guess I had just got myself at the brink but was not going to look. A few weeks later and i was rolling down the other side. Probably a lot of people are like that.. a lot of questions just below the surface.

Peg

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 02:58:36 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: I wish I could help
Message:
But if there was ever a past premie who was never 'in the inner cirle' it's me.
Talk about grabbing for straws!
But Joe, you have to realize as I have, that there will be always the weak and ignorant of the world.
There are going to be the die hards, the Ted Farcels, that swallow this newest spin, hook, line and sinker.
It's sad, but thanks for the excellent information.
My take on this video is one of desparation. Yes, yes, yes, the video is scrapping the bottom of the barrell as to what people will believe.
Interesting, don't you think? How ignorant are the people who still want to believe M's crap?
I'll look at the video, might recongize a few faces, but what we really need is somone who knows theses 'participants' in the here and now.
And especially, to have the 'actors' try and explain their take on Maharaji here on the forum.
But we both know that will never happen in a month of Sundays, not until Hell freezes over.
You think Joan Ampter is going to read or post here? Hell, she like Michael Dettmers, has a gag order. She's not going to bite the hand that fed her!

Carry on, Love, Tonette

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:55:41 (EST)
From: Mike Finch
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
1. One British guy refers to himself as 'Glenn' and I assume that is Glenn Whittaker. He is kind of overweight, and wears either a brown wig or a less-than-flattering hairpiece. He has gray in his mustache but not one gray hair among the synthetic hairs on his head. Is that Glenn Whittaker?

Yes, this is Glen Whittaker (only one 'n' in his name - British version). He was the first DLM National Coordinator, in 1971, and after a few years he left that position, only to become it again for a longish time later.

2. There is an older, British bald guy with glasses and a gray beard who I think is Ron Geaves. He is by far the most featured speaker, other than Charanand who is allowed to blather on endlessly. A couple of Ron's comments I found particularly troubling that I want to mention which I will in another thread. Does that description fit Ron Geaves? He talks about receiving knowledge in India and about M's arrival in 1971 in London.

Yes, Ron Geaves. He first told me about Knowledge in late 1969 or early 1970. He himself got Knowledge in India in either 1968 or early 69. Prior to that, Ron, myself and Sandy (see below) were together in the Oxford drug scene in the mid 60's.

4. There is a dark-haired women wearing lots of lipstick who I think is Canadian because she talked about when M told her to go give satang to the Canadian Prime Minister. She was also in England in 1971. Who might that be?

Her name is Janet - forgotten 2nd name. She is indeed Canadian, but was in England when M first came there in 1971, and was involved in all the initial fun and games with M.

5. There is a really fat Indian guy who seems to know the whole Mata Ji story. Any ideas? Seems jovial.

Sampurnand - M's star from India, who rebuilt the whole Indian scene for M in the 70's after the family split. He was M's confidant, as far as M had any.

6. There is British guy with long brown hair named 'George' or something like that, who acts like he is hyperactive, or on speed or something. Any idea who that is? Looks a little like an aging rock star who did lots of drugs.

George Blodwell - an ashram coordinator and honcho in England (well, actually Scotland, ruled the Edinburgh ashram for a while) in the 70's. Left for USA, where he became pretty much what you say - appeared as a model in some women's magazines, so I have heard. I saw him recently at the Nottingham event and he seemed in good form.

8. There is a very prim and proper, smallish, British woman with short brown hair, brown eyes, otherwise very nondescript.

Sandy Collier. Used to be with Ron Geaves; they went together to India in late 60's and got Knowledge. In M's early days she was his cook, and was to the premies like an elder sister or something, well respected. Is now an instructor.

9. There is a balding guy with what I think is a Scottish accent who looks to be mid-50s with a red nose. He's portly, balding light brown or dirty blonde hair. I don't know where he got the red nose.

Bobby Hendry. He is M's cook, and has been for a while, and very much in the inner circle. His wife Banu is sister of instructor Belkis Shah.

-- Mike

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 18:15:22 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mike Finch
Subject: Well spotted Mike.
Message:
Your powers of deduction amaze me. Or did you see the video?

Hope all is well with you and yours, and sorry I never made up to see you last time you were over.

Anth the unreliable.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:51:37 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Mike Finch
Subject: One other person
Message:
Another English guy, with long, gray hair, a large, gray, mustache, and a big nose. He has glasses. I recognize the face as someone I had seen before. He is only in the video twice, very briefly each time. In the video, it seems they kind of ran out of props, because he seems to be sitting in front of jars with pasta inside.
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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:01:23 (EST)
From: Mike Finch
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: One other person
Message:
Another English guy, with long, gray hair, a large, gray, mustache, and a big nose. He has glasses. I recognize the face as someone I had seen before. He is only in the video twice, very briefly each time

Peter Lee, an instructor. We got Knowledge together in June 1 1970, along with along with a South African Leila. Peter used to drive M in England after I lost the job when I got married in 1972.

-- Mike

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:57:32 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Mike Finch
Subject: Thanks Mike -- More on the Video
Message:
That leaves the blonde American woman and the American guy, who I guess is NOT Gary Girard. He sort of looks familiar to me. He is the most didactic of the whole group.

For one thing, he says that the reason people left Maharaji was because they wanted the Hindu practices more than they wanted the experience of knowledge. This outrageous piece of insulting, revisionist spin, really needs to be addressed, so hopefully we can nail down who this person is, although he isn't the only one who said it.

Whoever it is, he got kind of nervous and hesitant in this part of the video. The basic story is that everything was paradise with M being outrageously successful in spreading knowledge, but then there was this terrible problem of the Hindu rituals, and Maharaji had to get rid of them, and a lot of people left because they didn't like that he did that. Bizarre. I know of NOT ONE person who left Maharaji for this reason.

Again, the guy is clearly uncomfortable with what he's saying, and I'm not sure how out of context it was taken, but there you have it.

And do you know the Hindu 'rituals' that are used as an example? SARIS. I kid you not. Both Glen Whittaker and the blonde woman lament that people were turned off by all the SARIS and that Maharaji had to get rid of them. Hello? I don't believe I ever saw a Western premie wear a SARI, certainly not after 1972.

Not to mention the fact that many Hindu rituals have remained, or have been reinstated, Arti and Darshan, for example.

For anybody who thinks about it, that video is very bizarre, and a bit damning.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:13:21 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Sari to hear that
Message:
Wha-a-a-at? We left because of the saris!!! This is a straw-sari story!

I wasn't so interested but now I really think we should have a SFO get-together and watch this video with popcorn. I knew most of these guys in the old old days. Maybe we could all wear saris?

Whaddaya say?

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:36:24 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Very funny Dis -- but true
Message:
I'd be happy to let anybody see this video who wants to, and I'd be happy to bring it to a screening. Also, I got a copy of the Atlanta video in which M explains how to do propagation, and which apparently sent a number of premies into ex-land. I haven't had the stomach to watch that yet.

About the saris, I'm afraid it's true. Glen Whittaker says that he went to speak to some quite respectable group and a number of people came to the ashram, but confronted with the 'sari brigade' they didn't return. This was Glen's brilliant example of the "Hindu problem."

In the same section, dealing with M's difficulties in ending the Hindu rituals, which apparently caused many, who so loved them, to leave, a woman says that she was really freaked out that she might have to wear a sari to follow Maharaji, and so she was glad when he got rid of the Hindu trip.

It is, as I said, proof by absurd anecdote, which seems to be the method used throughout the video.

Those are the examples, although there is some hint that the ashrams had too many Hindu connotations, due to the problems the premies caused, not Maharaji, but otherwise, nothing else is mentioned, obviously, because M didn't get rid of most of the Hindu rituals at all and still engages in them on a regular basis as he sees fit.

Also, Sandy Collier, Ron Geaves, Glen Whittaker and a couple of others say that somehow we all just 'projected' the 'lord' and 'all-powerful' labels onto him, and he was powerless, apparently to stop it. It was real problem, all that 'projecting' going on. I mean, I'm sure we literally FORCED Maharaji to have us sing 'the superior power in person' to M and to kiss his feet. See, it was all our fault, and primarly the fault of those who LEFT by the way, because they (us) were the ones most into the Hindu/deity trip, not those who had the true experience of knowledge, were in touch with their "hearts" and remained after M simplified everything. It really is pretty much a spiritual ego trip on their part.

I found that whole section particularly offensive, because it implies that ex-premies are 'religion lovers' who just couldn't handle Maharaji freeing his followers from all that is religion/Hindu, etc. Not only is that preposterous, it's also smug, condescending, and arrogant.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:25:28 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Revisionism in a nutshell
Message:
It was hearing Rev Rawat tell those lies with his own lips in the Atlanta Training video which booted me out the door. I felt like I was being introduced to a secret sleazy world like that of alcoholics or child-molesters (don't tell your mommy.)

When people begin to agree to go along with what are obvious lies then....well, enough said; it's over for anyone with a conscience.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:28:33 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Can I wear my gold sari?
Message:
Popcorn and please cough loudly and unwrap your candies noisily through all crucial passages.

Yes, let's do it. And yes I do have a gold sari and a brown one and plenty of white khurtas, dhotis and pajamas. It could be a Hindu nostalgia night. I knew I should have left the cult in 81 when Charanand stopped wearing that little orange number.

Who's sari now?

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:40:34 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: I am so sari
Message:
that I even mentioned those saris. I am terrified we will have puns for days! :)
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 19:57:45 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Too late. Let's do it!
Message:
The sari's out of the bag.

Let's have a spontaneous ad-hoc meeting of the Bay Area branch of International Latvian Pigeon-Fancier's Legion called 'Who's Sari Now?' We could do it at my place (15 min max from GGB toll plaza) if you like. I'm available as of next Sat, Sun Wed and Thurs nights. Not Mon or Tues (although I know those would work better with Pat and co).

Anyone up for it? Marianne? Pat and co? Joe? Whoever we all are?

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:21:32 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: How about Sunday?
Message:
Since Marianne can't do Saturday, and I can swing by and pick Marianne up. Love Marin County, my old stomping grounds.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:52:58 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Sunday -- great
Message:
Sunday would be just fine with me. Marin is my old stomping grounds too. Joe as chauffeur sounds perfect.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:51:33 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Disculta
Subject: I'm in, but...
Message:
Saturday night is out for me. I'd love to attend. We can car pool out your way, Disculta. This sounds like lots of laughs. Could someone bring LOTU? Only to point out me in my 17 year old ashram, Soul Rush glory....

You all know how to reach me.

Marianne

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 23:48:08 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: I'm in, but...
Message:
How I'm Longing for a Tardis to transport my Gopi self to you all.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 20:29:32 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Who's Sari Now?
Message:
If you wait till March without busting a gut in anticipation of seeing You Know Who, then the three of us could come but I'll never get Chuck and Andy to wear saris.
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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:33:34 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Who's Sari Now?
Message:
We can do something else with you guys in March. I feel like grabbing the moment as I am in and out of town all year.

Joe and Marianne, I think we are a quorum, with my two cats. Plus I guess others will jump in at last minute. Great! I'll e-mail you directions, Joe. Which address? I think you didn't get my last e-mail. What time? We could order in.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 14:28:23 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: I'm sari, so sari
Message:
Yes, that makes sense. Not only that but I think the three of us are still too freshly uncultivated to stomach the reverend just yet.
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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:36:09 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Latvian invitation
Message:
I have LOTU btw.

Any other ex-premies interested in attending this Sunday to laugh and watch a few revisionist videos? You can e-mail me at darlingwave@aol.com.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:05:12 (EST)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Mike Finch
Subject: #4 is Janet Wallace...
Message:
She's a Canadian fore-runner, well-known in Canada, but living in California for the last decade, who is a friendly, personable lady who, at least used to, paint portraits of MJ.

Like many others, she's very sincere, and the mountains will crumble to the sea the day that SHE ever questions MJ.......

Side note: Most people on the inside would never admit they're in a cult, and detest being considered a cult follower as they have their ‘own experience'. We're VERY lucky our cult programmings have finally come unglued.

Another Anon, tragically hooked on trivia

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:14:34 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: Re: #4 is Janet Wallace...
Message:
Janet was a good friend of mine. Even after I left and cared nothing for M, I saw her a couple of times when I visited Vancouver from California and after when I moved back to B.C. I knew she was planning on moving to L.A. but haven't heard of or from her since. I'd love to talk with her if anyone had a contact clue.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:15:56 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
Making copies might not be the best way to go. Visions is a stickler about reproducing their stuff. I don't know about having it transcribed. We could always take up a collection for your legal fund!
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:34:35 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Copying videos
Message:
Vicki,

Have you ever heard of Visions going after people for copying videos? I'm not sure what damages they would have, since ex-premies would never buy that video anyway, so it's not like they are losing sales. Maybe we need legal advice here. Hmmm.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:13:27 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Copying videos
Message:
Fuck 'em I say! Let them sue. What an asshole Maharaji is. Record and re-record...at will!
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:39:42 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
If we can't make copies of it I'm game to watch it after a good Latvian lunch. There are ten of us in this area who could probably get together with a little planning.

I agree with Mike Finch on those that I know but don't know the others well enough to be sure.

1) That's Whittaker. Did he have an underbite, a very pale skin and a northern Brit accent?

2) I can't say for sure because I can't remember Ron's face but Mike knows him. Wasn't he the guy you where in at the beginning with, Mike?

3) Sounds like Girard.

4)Don't know.

5) Sampuranand all right. Gave Andy K. The only other Indian instructor left in the west.

6) Definitely George Blodwell and yes, he did a nude spread for Playgirl. I still have the pics. He was awfully cute 20 years ago.

7) Don't know.

8) Can't say. Don't remember Sandy's face.

9) Bobby Hendry. I actually know Banu better than him from before they were married and when she and Belkis still lived in London.

I'm not sure I could stomach listening to people I once liked spinning yarns for the spider.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:01:34 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Thanks Pat
Message:
Yes, Whittaker definitely has an underbite, that's obvious on the video.

I guess the American guy is not Girard, because Donner says he probably wasn't in the Navy. We still need to pin that one down.

I don't think you would be interested in current nude pictures of Blodwell, but I guess that would be true of all of us these days. He has that trendy British 60s-retro look, with a mod-type suit, no tie and a scarf (yes) and long hair. :)

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 11:50:46 (EST)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
doubt it is gary girard...quite large nose? do not think gary was ever, could ever have been in the navy. was deep into drugs and trips to india..came back with joan apter to start things rolling here in north america.

sandy collier was also a cook at residence in england and miami mostly for the children. very unstable person then, constantly winning about he drama/love with mick woods (driver and security in england).

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:41:08 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: michael donner
Subject: Re: Passages -- A Master's Journey-- HELP!
Message:
Yeah, that sounds right. I never knew Gary Girard, but somehow the Navy thing didn't fit with the image I had of him. Joan mentions Gary in the video and maybe that's what got me thinking.

The blonde in the video I think was around Denver in the early years. She said she overheard Maharaji arguing with Mata Ji on the phone. She said by the time M got married, she was married and had a child. Tallish, blonde, seems nice. Any ideas?

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 00:51:00 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: What is it with you & this blonde?
Message:
Hey I'm the blondest, blonde there is, and guess what, I am suddenly available!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:48:35 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Well that does it
Message:
Well that does it. Paid actors showing people how to introduce people to K. Jesus Christ!

As Chris wrote:

''It was the same basic script repeated about 6 times with only a few variations in the LINES DELIVERED each time. And very minor variations at that, which to me, says the whole thing is really groping.

Introducing the possibility of K has been reduced to the art of delivering lines.....''

I'm sorry but I can't believe anyone can be left in this ridiculous little cult club. Remember when THAT POWER used to talk through us...

Maharaji clearly thinks that premies are morons. He has no respect for them. It's over.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:31:10 (EST)
From: fly on wall in k session
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: scuttlebutt on dvd 'k' etc.
Message:
Having left in the last few years, I am still privy to a lot of the premie undercurrents in the community.
My friends who are still in the cult will tell me things, especially complaints, that they won't voice in other places in the cult.

My take on things is this:

There are of course the church ladies, the true believers, although even some of them are getting a little impatient and wary of some of the new, everchanging 'agya'.
But they are still regular church goers, attend guru worship servies somewhat regularly, and tithe to soothe the little voice which says 'But just suppose he really is who he says he is in India & amaroo? A few bucks a week keeps me covered just in case he is the lord'.

And of course, every community has it's 'Industrial Strength Church Ladies' who will go to the grave pranaming while singing arti and hunting and pecking for scraps of 'bog prasad' and a quick glimpse of the lotus toes.
Ira Woods once said that the faith a premie needs to have is something like this: If maharaji makes a public announcement that he's not the perfect master, and is a total fraud, you would still have the faith and experience to keep on practicing.
Oh well, Ira will have his plot next to the captains on the sacred burial site with the kangaroos and wallabees and billibongs...

So, we have 'ISCL's' who will be there until the end. A few in each community, almost always tied into some 'special connection' to either the physical or personal scene around the captain, with hopes of some personal time with 'you know who', and experiencing 'you know what'.
Down from that,regular old church ladies. There is an increasing, although respectfully quiet undercurrent amongst many of the church gals that things are getting a bit ridiculous at this point, and that perhaps something is not all it once was in premieville, usa.
I think the 'Little boy who cried wolf' syndrome is setting in on them, although it is only talked about in hushed whispers or after a few beers. Money is still donated, but the eyebrows are raising and shoulders shrugging. Some complaints have been heard about the captains singing and filmmaking skills and more than one church lady has remarked that m should stay with the day job, and also get his family out of the way. It's really starting to look like the Osmond family meets Jim and Tammy at the glass cathedral with Dr. Schuller on acid or something like that.
(What should be noted here is that the blame for anything weird or just plain wrong,ie.unethical, is still ALWAYS laid at the feet of EV, and not the feet of 'you know who'.)
M is clever, but unfortunately for him, the epo site is more subtle and more clever. Too many people have seen and heard too much of the same old song, and the internet is quite a tool. I guess that the guru who lives by technology, dies by technology.

Elsewhere in the community the 'regulars' attend once every week or two, throw in a few bucks, and wait for the next 'announcement', although I sense that the spirit is definitely cooling off on going all over the globe to listen to new age fluff for 45 minutes with videos of flowers and clouds.... even catching a flight to another city is also being weighed against more practical realities.

The final stage has arrived: the onset of the paralysis has set in, manifesting as some sort of vapid digital new age feel good religion.
Nothing is said, beyone 'have a nice spiritual day'...no great claims, except for once in awhile when m still admonishes and reminds the faithful about who he 'probably is, or at least could be', of course masked behind some silly statement that allows him a plausible escape hatch to squirm out of.
Quoting Kabir about devotion is a perfect example. Of course m is telling the faithful what they should be doing and feeling, while at the same time he can always make it look like he's just quoting some Indian saint to the new person. He can also say that HE never said that stuff, that Kabir did. Of course, he didn't mean it entirely literally (while performing the 5th technique-tongue in cheek).
Playing the instrumental version of arti or some old tear jerker from one foundation is another perfect example. To the new premie or aspirant,it just sounds like new age elevator music, but to the old time premie it's a subtle, yet very powerful reminder that he 'is who he is', just between you and him though.

It all gets sillier and sillier.
A 30 year old paradigm is dissolving before our eyes.
It is a fine time to be on the lifeboats with dry land firmly in sight, as the captain and the orchestra play on, the good ship maharaji going down, and the church ladies are rearranging the deck chairs to get the best view of a sinking ship that still vows to go on.

Thank god for the internet and the human conscience.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:05:08 (EST)
From: Boadicea
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: Absofuckinlutely!!!(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 06:13:57 (EST)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: it's so perfect!!!!!
Message:
that's the way it goes, what goes up must come down.

like your post..............ciao wolfie

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:24:32 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: I want you to know....
Message:
Hey there, mister fly on the wall,

I liked your post and for whatever it's worth, I printed out a copy in my 'packet,' of your post that I have just mailed to my cult inflicted friends.
Let's only hope that it has reality and influence. I'll let you know. Your post was not for want, and I thought it was well written.

Thanks, Tonette

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 18:00:47 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: Ahoy there mate, thanks for throwing the life ring [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 17:36:59 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: **Best of FORUM** fly aye, aye!
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 16:27:29 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: Yes, Fly, great post for sure [nt]
Message:
Fly,
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:02:30 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: Similar to what I'm hearing
Message:
Very good analysis, Fly.

I have heard much the same thing. Many premies who used to die to do 'particpation' whenever possible, are pulling back because they are questioning the whole trip. They maybe aren't willing to question M himself yet, just that what goes on in the organization and in relation to the physical manifestation of his 'mission' are just useless, painful, wasteful exercises running in circles.

Plus, they are extremely embarrassed by M's website, by ELK, by many of the 'videos' and the publications, and hence tell NOBODY about M or K, despite feeling kind of guilty for not doing so. The KITS and the way they were presented, were particular reasons for embarrassment, and this is a difficult thing because M's presentation of how to 'propagate', came directly from him, not from some EV idiot.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:25:09 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: Brilliantly said, Fly! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:57:42 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: fly on wall in k session
Subject: Great Post, Fly!
Message:
From your position is there any evidence of serious anger towards EPO and ex-premies? To be honest, I'm surprised CAC and it's milder siblings are all that Maharaji has thrown at us.

John from behind the anti-cult maginot line deep in the forest.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 01:56:50 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Dave, you're up early/late!
Message:
You posted this at 6:50 UK time. Was it a good party or have you become a farmer/milkman?

Yes, the cult is getting more and more absurd. I left three years ago this month having read EPO and given Maharaji a little rational thought for the first time. I wonder how I would have reacted to K by DVD and the Trainings had I not left.

John.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:27:33 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Nothing so spectacular
Message:
Nothing so spectacular as an all night party or milkman job. I got up to go to the toilet.

I then went back to bed and dreamt that I was in Saint Peter's Church Hall in Belsize Park where I asked a premie if I was on the list to see M at the next program. I wasn't on the list and he (the premie) was embarrassed because it meant I was not an ''official'' premie and there must be something wrong, i.e. I had committed some premie sin like criticising M or thinking for myself or maybe not training or participating.

I was glad I wasn't on the list though.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:15:14 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: St Peters Church Hall.
Message:
Hi Dave,

I remember St Peters Church Hall well. It was the first public satsang programme I ever went to. Ashokanand and Bhole-Ji turned up. Bhole-Ji mumbled for 15 minutes, sending the premies into ecstasy- him being the living incarnation of Vishnu or something.

Anyway, like an acid scrambled, mystical, truth-seeking hippy, I fell for it. It was the moment the fly flew into the web.

Thank God it was all a dream.

Take care Dave.

Anth the flyboy.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:13:15 (EST)
From: berni
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: St Peters Church Hall.
Message:
On my list of Halls of Devotional meetings I would have been better off not attending.
Noted for the particularly hard-on-the-bum floor.
Only time that I was not conscious of the pain was during an interesting Mike Finch satsang.
Of course the main venue in those parts was Belsize Park - where many a Bhole Shri was heard and blissed out premies were seen aimlessly wandering the streets late into to the night ( well around 9.30 pm when they threw us out)
Then there was Fulham Town Hall where we were treated to a guest member of the Holy Family each night for what seemed like years ( you couldn't take a night off when that was going on )
Then there was Kensington Town Hall and in the early days some place up at Notting Hill where I remember you, Anth giving an amusing Satsang ( but a bit scary 'cos you were a teacher )
And of course Acton Town Hall,
Ealing Town Hall,
Red Lion Square,
the Palace of Peace,
and numerous Hotel conference rooms, community centres and ... ooh I wish I'd never started now.
All best forgotten.
But thanks for jolting the memory anyway.
berni
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:29:50 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: berni
Subject: Re: St Peters Church Hall.
Message:
Yes, Mike Finch gave good satsang. The last time I was in St Peter's was in 78 just before coming to the US and the preacher that night was the Rev David Smith. The audience just loved him. He almost seemed to have a dry wit.

Then I came to the US and found out that what appeared to be dry wit was simply dessicated emotions. Sorry, David. I hope you grow up one day.

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:22:40 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All
Subject: EPO is truly worldwide
Message:
The new server has better (and working) stats collection. As the new location for the site has only been visible on web for a few days, there's not a great deal of data, but here's a taster - number of page requests by extension of requester's domain:-

Listing domains, sorted by the amount of traffic.

#reqs: %bytes: domain

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13078: 26.44%: .net (Network)
16080: 23.85%: .com (Commercial)
9165: 17.42%: [unresolved numerical addresses]
3634: 10.61%: .fr (France)
2259: 4.70%: .ca (Canada)
1636: 3.09%: .uk (United Kingdom)
2133: 2.68%: .au (Australia)
382: 1.45%: .be (Belgium)
1374: 1.23%: .es (Spain)
784: 1.11%: .pt (Portugal)
282: 1.07%: .ch (Switzerland)
316: 0.72%: .edu (USA Educational)
174: 0.57%: .nl (Netherlands)
638: 0.52%: .fi (Finland)
216: 0.50%: .de (Germany)
184: 0.41%: .mil (USA Military)
326: 0.40%: .dk (Denmark)
360: 0.40%: .lv (Latvia)
201: 0.31%: .us (United States)
104: 0.29%: .sa (Saudi Arabia)
300: 0.24%: .at (Austria)
94: 0.19%: .ar (Argentina)
43: 0.17%: .sg (Singapore)
140: 0.15%: .mu (Mauritius)
26: 0.13%: .it (Italy)
64: 0.13%: .gr (Greece)
62: 0.13%: .th (Thailand)
32: 0.13%: .lu (Luxembourg)
39: 0.13%: .org (Non-Profit Making Organisations)
103: 0.13%: .arpa (Old style Arpanet)
56: 0.12%: .il (Israel)
40: 0.08%: .id (Indonesia)
44: 0.07%: .se (Sweden)
32: 0.06%: .cr (Costa Rica)
90: 0.05%: .gov (USA Government)
12: 0.04%: .za (South Africa)
20: 0.03%: .in (India)
6: 0.03%: .pe (Peru)
18: 0.03%: .mx (Mexico)
19: 0.03%: .pl (Poland)
66: 0.03%: .uy (Uruguay)
43: 0.02%: .no (Norway)
52: 0.02%: .my (Malaysia)
44: 0.02%: .hr (Croatia)
13: 0.02%: .tg (Togo)
35: 0.02%: .ci (Ivory Coast)
3: 0.02%: .jp (Japan)
9: 0.01%: .ru (Russia)
8: 0.01%: .fj (Fiji)
5: 0.01%: .nz (New Zealand)
8: 0.01%: .br (Brazil)
8: : .ec (Ecuador)

I'll publish more when we have complete months.

John.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:17:51 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: John, can you explain???
Message:
Do those stats mean there have been that many thousands of pages read on EPO in just a few days?

What does this mean, and why doesn't it say what countries the reader is from?

13078: 26.44%: .net (Network)
16080: 23.85%: .com (Commercial)

The vast majority of users at least from the USA have a '.com' and I've never heard of Americans using a '.us'

It will be very interesting to get the stats, but can you just give those of us who are internet ignorant some background on what it means? Thanks.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 16:49:52 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Yes, I can
Message:
Firstly, the requests are about four times the number of pages accessed as each picture on a page counts as a request as it is a separate file. So divide the numbers by 4 to give the pages accessed. It's not possible to break down the .com or .net readers by country as that information isn't provided by the ISP. For instance, an AOL user will show as aol.com whether they post from the UK or the USA. .us is reserved for the US just as .lv is reserved for Latvia. In the same way the US calls their national baseball championships the World Series (OK, some Canadians join in), the US doesn't feel the need to identify domains as being US based:-)

I've looked into the stats a bit more and they really are good. For instance they show which EPO pages are being accessed. I'll post more when I get the time.

John.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:13:34 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: ooh-264 hits by the...
Message:
US military and US government. in one week. I'd be in a cold sweat, by now, if I was monitoring this, for the captain.
hey man, statistics don't lie! they're facts, man!
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 13:52:38 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: 264 hits by US government
Message:
Probably bots and spiders, Janet - surveillance by software using a program like Carnivore to check for crime.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 16:51:23 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: 264 hits by US government
Message:
More likely waivering premie employees surfing when their bosses aren't looking:-)

John.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 20:37:18 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Thank you, John [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 03:52:38 (EST)
From: harry pothead
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: how come afghanistan is not on your list??
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 04:18:32 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: harry pothead
Subject: see, there's this war, on?
Message:
and they've been kinda busy lately? net café's and broadband just haven't been real convenient, the last few months?
but ya know, you could always start an ETO website and offer deprogramming for newly ex'ed Taliban cult members. It's a market just waiting for a visionary opportunist to seize.
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:24:11 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: harry pothead
Subject: Short term memory problems mate.
Message:
It's like, we were going to put in on man, but then somebody brought this really good skunk round, the next thing we knew we were eating ice-cream, listening to the Who's greatest hits, and then somebody said, 'Let's go and play frisbee on the beach', but I couldn't find my shoes. So I went in the bedroom and couldn't remember why I was there and decided to go to bed and...well man...when I woke up I'd forgotten who I was.

Whatsisnam the whatsit, and I still can't find my shoes.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 02:20:07 (EST)
From: Brian S.
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Bravo! and Thank You JHB [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 16:31:40 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Knowledge by DVD.
Message:
Hi Everyone,

I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but it seems that people are initiated into the cult by DVD nowadays, rather than through a personal session with Captain Rawat. I’m not sure why he’s changed his approach. Maybe he’s becoming even more of a recluse. Maybe he can’t afford the travelling. Maybe he’s just an idle git, who can’t be arsed mixing with the faithful and the great unwashed any more. Anyway, you can read all about it, as the cult have published a little booklet on the subject, called “About Knowledge”.

Most of the booklet is full of waffle from the Captain, for example, “This is about me telling you the simplest of truths- that you are alive, that you exist.” Shit, so that person I see in the mirror every day must be me. Thanks for telling me Captain, I thought it was the plumber.

Anyway, there’s stuff on “participating”. There are no particular details on how to participate, but I guess someone explains later on, that it comes down to coughing up cash and working for the cult for free. The Captain describes this as, “Another gift of this world of Knowledge.” It’s weird how giving your time and money is described as a gift to you, not from you.

There’s a section on “Maharaji’s role as Master”. This is the cockroach in the Cornflake box. Just close your eyes and crunch. You’ll soon get used to it.

There are a couple of sections about “Asking for Knowledge.” These are written to make you think it’s your decision if you get turned down because you’ve still got a couple of thoughts or opinions of your own on the subject..

And finally, there’s a section called, “How the gift of Knowledge is given.” I quote,

“The four techniques of Knowledge are taught by Maharaji in a pre-recorded presentation, which is shown at the “Knowledge Session”. This lasts about three hours, including a break and time to practise.”

So, there we have it, the Perfect Master manifesting his grace by DVD. He’s really lost the plot.

Maybe we should see if we can get hold of a copy and put it on EPO. I’ll drop Glen a line and ask if he’s got a spare.

Anth the digital illusion.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:44:10 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Knowledge by DVD.
Message:
Hi to the real lovers of the truth and the premies, and happy new year 2002 for all. What do you mean Anth? That there is the possibility to receive K from home? What an achievement! I remember my first auto K review last year, everything around me trying to convince me that it was perfect, yes, of course I was used to the big screen showing M in big, but he wasn't there in the scenario. I remember my friend and I gossiping about where he could be, if in the backstage spying on us? in deep meditation trying to be one with all of us? Or maybe already gone... I think he was trying to show us the auto K sessions worked, but I wasn't convinced and I never was. The auto K review could be acceptable since we all had K and it could be seen as communal meditation practice but for me it was really shocking to hear about this new way to give K, so empty, so cold and impersonal and really was very difficult to understand why something so important as receiving K turned out to be like that. During that K review one of the things I experienced like fingernails scratching on a chalkboard was M talking in Spanish in my ear, that mellow kind of voice that he uses sometimes, so I kept switching back and forth from English to Spanish, trying but not being able to stand it. Even remembering that gives me the creeps, as lately after knowing the real truth, did to me reading those mailing list little satsangs, that I mostly deleted but sometimes read to know what was going on. Thank God (if you exist) they are not going to sent them any more.

LOVE TO ALL!!!

By the way, somebody knows what's going on in the Spanish forum? A friend of mine post there and I wasn't able to respond since it was full.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:48:09 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: brauns@apollo.lv
To: Sulla
Subject: Spanish Forum and EPO
Message:
Hi Sulla,

EPO was moved at short notice to a new server with a different directory structure, so utilities required by the EPO scripts (including the forum scripts) aren't all where they used to be. I'm working on getting everything working, but with my unfamiliarity with much of the site, and lack of personal time, it will take a little time.

Thanks for your patience.

John (EPO webmaster)

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 15:29:07 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Spanish Forum and EPO
Message:
Thanks John for the information and for your effort to have everything right for us. I appreciate that, and will have all the patience of the world.
My sister has this program that translate all she wants from English to Spanish. Would be wonderful if we could have something like this in the forum and not only for Spanish. After found EPO I talked to some premie friends about what I have learned about M, and while some of them don't want to hear anymore about it, four of them are opened to it and I keep them informed of any news I read here.
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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:11:36 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: So that's what they did...
Message:
with all of our old albums we gave up when we entered the ashram!

What foresight!

Marianne

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:39:16 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Hi Marianne! OT
Message:
Happy New Year Marianne,

Long time no emails. I've been busy getting over what has been one of the worst holiday seasons since late childhood, so I've been remiss in my email correspondence.

I'm sure you're busy. How are you?

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:08:14 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Cynthia
Subject: Hi Cynthia - ot
Message:
Hi Cynthia. Yes, it sounds as though you had a really tough holiday season this year. I am sorry to hear about your father's inexcusable behavior. Email me if you want to talk about it.

I've been very busy with the holidays, and also work. Lots going on with my cases.

That's it for now.

Much love, Marianne

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 18:25:40 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: All except for Peter Frampton.
Message:
Hi Marianne,

The Peter Frampton albums were put on one side and sent to the Residence.

Anth, I want youoooo to show me the wayeeay.

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 15:15:43 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: M's next step (in self-caricature)
Message:
Anyone seen M's new site yet? It's hilarious. M's found a new way to mix and match his tedious, empty slogans via the miracle of Flash technology. Really, it's an internet version of a Crazy Eight Ball.

Go to the 'auto' section and choose either one, two or three minutes. What you'll get are a random mix of M phrases, different every time, all over a steady mimalist drone of simulated harp music. Some of the phrases are generic M-speak:

know
understand
that's when gratitude begins

or:

are you comfortable with life?

Some of them are particularly addressed to or about those who dare to question or even leave the cult:

know what you can afford to give up
and what you cannot

and:

it is a narrow passage
choose wisely

or:

understand
let go of the questions and trade them for answers

(Actually, there are a lot more pointed things he says about those who leave him behind but it's too hard trying to capture al that Flash text. If someone knows a way, it be funny to see all the text. Funny and embarrassing. Can you imagine someone knowing you once followed a guru who actually says things like:

Gather the berries of your life
the berries of gratitude
the berries of joy
the berries of love...
?)

Anyway, this is so funny and pathetic. I can just see premies spending untold hours sitting in front of their computers like Pavolv's dogs, punching up one mindless patchwork of M's nothings after another. M has become every bit as vapid as the most silly TV guru. He truly has surpassed Maharashi Mahesh Yogi in the race to eliminate all content and originality from anything he says. He makes Rod McKewan read like Yeats. Something like that.

Anyway, Happy New Year everyone. Laurie and I had a week on a beach in the Dominican Republic. Just relaxed, unwound on a beautiful beach or by the pool. Spent some time exhanging spinal fluid with some nice Christians we met. They started off trying to witness to us, ever so graciously, but we got them thinking about evolution which they knew nothing about. We ended up great friends. Can you imagine?

Anyway, congratulations, Nigel and Moldy. Are you going to get married here too? Is Jean Michel still licenced?
[ M's new site ]

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:48:19 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Even in your darkest hour..
Message:
..the squares trailing after your cursor will not abandon you.
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 10:38:38 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: But the con goes on
Message:
It seems silly, redundant, infantile to us but he's catering now to those that have been brought up on computer and video games, with very short attention spans. It's a move to keep them momentarily engaged while he slips in the platitudes. Plus these teenaged mentalities will think he's cool. Or maybe this is the result of his kids' help in the family business?
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:24:22 (EST)
From: fly on wall
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Re: But the con goes on
Message:
That's an interesting observation about the man from malibu.

I'd say the 'digital M' is a result of:

1-catering to younger audience
2-desire to look cool, and appear to be 'with it'
3-a digital 'numbers game' - if you put something on the internet, even if only a tiny, tiny percentage of people respond and actually get the new 'auto knowledge', that's something!
And it's far, far more than what he's getting with the old way of propagating, where he said that the premies were his advertising.
4-Not a bad idea, from a purely guru-con-business racket perspective:
M puts out something basically for free, and every person that gets hooked can be counted on to donate something for the rest of their life. Remember that the 'gift' of participation (and that knowledge doesn't work without it)is the gift that keeps on taking, for the rest of your life.
5-He's got nothing better to do. He's bored, tired of travelling all of the time.Maybe health getting worse. This lets him and the pams believe they are still 'propagating', while they play.
6-His way of letting the kids get involved, which may get a few more of their generation hooked as well.

***7-the mnost interesting thing to note:
M always goes for the younger generation.
In the 70's and early 80's it was the counter culture.
In the 90's and beyond, it is the computer savvy youth culture that he's trying to appeal to, or at least look hip to.
It's very interesting that the older, possibly wiser and more experienced crowd doesn't really buy it.
He seems to go from one youth culture to the next.
Too many questions from people who are now reflecting on life in middle age, with real questions for real teachers.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:47:55 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: fly on wall
Subject: Interesting Point
Message:
And also a little frightening.

The problems with that are how would a 'young person' even know Maharaji exists? He can't advertise himself because the results are always so negative.

Second, in addition to the 'knowledge by DVD,' you also have to go through some kind of humiliating one-on-one 'selection' don't you? Otherwise, what is to keep people from handing the DVD around to all their friends and M losing control of the techniques?

Third, if someone finds Maharaji's website, they would also likely find EPO on the same internet.

Finally, I think 'young people' would be very turned off by the middle-aged-hippie crowd who think and act as if M is God. That wouldn't fit, so he would have to keep the new recruits away from them. Doesn't seem possible.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:07:42 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Also.... ELK is in the way
Message:
The 'new young people' would have to be kept away from ELK as well, which it also on the net. That site would send most 'young people' running for the hills. The people sound derranged, and definitely in worshp mode, not something that would be attractive to the younger generation.
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 14:33:03 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: fly on wall
Subject: Life as a computer game
Message:
More good observations, Fly. Methinks the Rev Rawat is so out of touch with real life that he does not know what he is doing.
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:18:07 (EST)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: the worst I have seen
Message:
What a horrible site! TRULLY TEDIOUS>

())

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:14:30 (EST)
From: WMary
Email: None
To: salsa
Subject: Re: the worst I have seen
Message:
What a ridiculous site. My 7 year old son could put together a better site. Flash!! C'mon M, get with the times. Unless someone (new pr folks) decided that this would be the way to keep the active zombies ensconsed to his phony messages. It must be difficult to put together a website to sell something that is kept so secretive. Only the faithful will believe that this is truly a Masterpiece, by the Perfect Master (he is still calling himself that isn't he?). Anyone stumbling upon this page will wonder what this idiot is selling and a little research on the subject should reveal EPO where they can find the answers to their search.
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 08:32:28 (EST)
From: Salsa
Email: None
To: WMary
Subject: Keyword: ZOMBIES
Message:
I went there twice, thinking that maybe I miss something (lol) but nope; Just the same 'toilette' maharaji website joke...but of course, I can see that with the eyes of a devotee it may seem so adorable since the lord himself made it 'for me'.

You are right, my teenager son has his own website that for sure puts M's to triple shame.

What a trip

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 16:12:22 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: We started without you, Jim
Message:
Hey Jim,
Welcome back. Good work on getting those pesky Christians to think a bit. You missed the thread about M's new site so here's the link.
Richard the walking catfish
[ Thread about M's Flashy site ]
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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 16:27:56 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Hm, so you just couldn't wait, eh?
Message:
Really, Richard, I don't really see why you guys couldn't wait. I mean, we were only going away for a week ... sheesh! :)
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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:34:31 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Hm, so you just couldn't wait, eh?
Message:
I guess that settles it. We're totally unsynchronized . . . and we love it!

You also missed Scott T's great NW tour. Next time we'll send out the announcements before the big event.

R
[ Scott visits the NW ]

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 17:51:11 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Sorry, I don't buy it
Message:
Come on, Richard. You say that there were three of you there? You, Scott and Mercedes? But, Richard, I wasn't born yesterday. Someone had to be holding the camera!

Jim

-- flirting with Conspiracy Thinking (but not about to get fucked by it yet)

By the way, I read a couple of good books while away:

The Master and Margarita -- completely weird Russian surrealistic allegory about the devil showing up in Moscow accompanied by a couple of assistants, a naked girl and a large, black Cat. Bizarre, fun and downright touching.

A Widow for One Year -- I'd never read anything by John Irving before. Colourful tracking of a dysfunctional family of writers and their various sexual antics and stuff. I liked it.

Memoires of a Geisha -- Laurie read it first and I thought I'd take a look. Fascinating view of a fast fading, if not already gone, world. Those Japanese ... ??!! I'm half-way through. Great villian who just happens to be the prettiest geisha you've ever known. (Don't tell me what happens).

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 20:49:52 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Memoirs of a Geisha is due in 2003
Message:
Memoirs of a Geisha is due out in 2003. Directed by Spielberg. Written by Ron Bass and Akiva Goldman (could be trouble with those two).

Btw, Arthur Golden was sued by the woman whom he interviewed for the story.

Great read, though. I loved it.
[ Memoirs of a Geisha ]

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 18:33:33 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: The Master (ot)
Message:
Hi Jim,

Hope you had a good holiday. On the subject of the Master and Margarita (one of my favorites), did you know Marianne Faithful gave a copy of the book to Mick Jagger, which inspired him to write the classic, 'Sympathy for the Devil'?

Coincidentally, I'm halfway through a John Irvin book, 'A Prayer for Owen Meany', which I'm really enjoying.

And while I'm at it, have you read 'The Secret Life of Chairman Mao', which has to be the political biography of the last century. It's a good book to read alongside 'Wild Swans', if you haven't read that.

Anth the bookworm.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:55:57 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Great Books from 2001 (OT)
Message:
I know I tend to stay away from fiction, but there were a few great books from 2001 that I would recommend:

1. The Bush Dyslexicon -- Mark Crispen Miller (scared the crap out of me about our president who is illiterate but not ignorant who fits perfectly into the superficial, soundbite culture)

2. On a related note, Shrub, the Short but Happy Political Life of George W. Bush by Molly Ivins is enlightening and well-written. It's funny, but lets you know what kind of a hollow president we now have, and how he operates.

3. Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser (You will never eat at McDonalds again,)

4. Nickled and Dimed, on Not Getting by in America by Barbara Ehrenreich (one of my favorite writers and this book is the greatest!)

5. In America by Susan Sontag (This won the National Book Award in 2000, but I didn't get around to it until this year. Wonderful.)

6. The Trial of Henry Kissinger by Christopher Hitchens about history's least deserving Nobel Peace Prize recipient, and I just got his new book Letters to a Young Contrarian which I can't wait to read.

7. A really fun book : Waiting -- True Confessions of a Waitress by Debra Ginsburg. Be nice to the waiter, they have control over your food, afterall.

8. A really great book but one that made me want to drink a bottle of scotch after the third chapter is Umberto Eco's book of essays Five Moral Pieces. He is the guy who wrote The Name of the Rose that was made into a movie with Sean Connery. Fascism is a lot nearer in the USA than you might think.

9. Stiffed by Susan Faludi. Essays on the state of men in America at the end of the 20th century.

10. What else? Oh, yeah -- The Life and Legacy of Al Parker Gay Superstar by Roger Edmonson. I know, I know, but I got this as a gift and the book isn't what you might think. Anyhow, it was pretty good, about the guy most responsible for the Castro Clone look of the 80s.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 18:51:04 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Great Books from 2001 (OT)
Message:
Joe,

I love both Molly Ivans and Barbara Ehrenriech. About five years ago Bernie Sanders held a Womens Conference with Barbara as the Keynote speaker.

She was hilarious and wonderful and insightful, and had Bernie (who was also on the stage as she spoke), holding his hand over his private parts during some of her discourse.

I don't even want to read about fast food. I've read so many books about the contamination of food I'm plain exhausted. I am fortunate, though, to live in a place where I can get organic meat (yes, I am an omnivore) and milk that is guaranteed free of hormones.

Rambling on and on....and time to take the chicken out of the oven...

Talk to you soon..
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 19:03:50 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I figured that, Anth
Message:
Yes, Anth, the holiday was fine. Renewed my faith in atheism, having a chance to 'witness' to Christians like that. And, you know, they're people just like you and me! No, really, we liked those guys a lot. We also liked all the other Christians we met and freaked out with the 'good news' about Darwin's 'dangerous idea'. (There was one other couple. They, too, thought they'd witness to us -- nya ah ah!)

But, yes, I thought Jagger must have done that when I read the PP episodes (can't say too much as Lurking Laurie's just started the book and I don't want to spoil it for her).

So 'Owen Meany's good? Not surprised. Let me know when you're finished if you still think so and I'll get it. I don't normally read much fiction in town, spending so much time online as I do (pity, isn't it?). Indeed, I've come to acquaint fiction with beaches and hotel rooms.

I've heard about the Mao book. It sounds spooky. You'll love Geisha, Anth. To give you some idea, Laurie spent hours skimming it again after she finished it. Now why would someone do that? (Maybe there are a bunch of dirty parts I haven't come to, I guess).

Jim

Who's fatter than ever and resolved -- that's resolved, I say -- to do something about it this winter.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 11:40:04 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey Jim...(OT)
Message:
I figured you were off to someplace warm and sunny...

Owen Meany is a great book. A movie was made based on the book but it was total crap.

Cider House Rules is also another of Irving's books which was also made into a movie.

Sometimes I wish film makers would leave literature alone.

Happy New Year,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 21:04:09 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Mao and Mick
Message:
Hiya,

The Mao book was written by his personal doctor, who had a photographic memory and was with him from just after the revolution until he died. He was trained in the US, but went back to China to work for the revolution. After Mao died, he went back to the States. When his wife was dying, she made him promise to write the story of Mao before he died. What makes it different from other political biographies, is that he was actually a witness to it all. Wild Swans is also autobiographical, and covers the same period from the other end of the pyramid. They're great companion volumes.

I read the thing about 'Sympathy for the Devil' in Marianne Faithful's autobiography, which is also a surprisingly good read.

Also, have you or Laurie read 'The Poisonwood Bible'? That's a great book. I read all of Barbara Kingsolver's books after that. She's an excellent writer.

I've spotted the Geisha book a few times, but always left it on the shelf. I'll grab it next time I'm in town.

And don't talk about fat. I can't even get into the bedroom, let alone my jeans.

Anth, 'Ah but I was so much thinner then, I'm fatter than that nooooow.'

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:19:37 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Owen Meany
Message:
I loved Ownen Meany. I must have read it about 10 years ago when it first came out. Sometime in the 80s, I saw John Irving speak and he read the first chapter of A Prayer for Owen Meany while it was a work in progress. For Owen, he used this high-pitched voice which was great.

I also loved 'Cider House Rules' and I liked the movie too, but the movie really changed the story radically, but since Irving wrote the screenplay, I guess it made the points he intended.

I have friends who rave about Barbara Kingslover, and I intend to read Poinsonwood Bible one of these days.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 15:22:35 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Owen Meany
Message:
Hi Joe,

I've become a big Barbara Kingsolver fan since I read Poisonwood Bible. It's a great read, with parallels to our own situation in many ways. She's a breath of fresh air. Dot, my wife, is raving about Anne Tyler at the moment, and burning through her books at a rate of knots.
She's also just finished 'The Night Listener', by Armistead Maupin, which she's recommended strongly.

Annie Proux has also written some good stuff- I really enjoyed 'The Shipping News', by her.

I love a good read.

Anth, in the beginning was the word, then it became a book.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 16:02:55 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Maupin/Tyler/Shipping News
Message:
Hi Anth,

I've been meaning to read 'The Night Listener.' I read Maupin's 'Maybe the Moon' which is about the midget woman who was the stand-in for ET, or at least based on that. IT was great. Of course, I've read all the Tales of the City, including the last one called 'Sure of You.' Actually, Maupin just lives a few blocks from my house and I sometimes see him in the health food store.

When I first got sent to San Francisco in the ashram in 1981, 'Tales of the City' was still being run daily in the San Francisco Chronicle, and I got addicted to reading it every day at my job. Of course, there were those guilt feelings that it was just too 'worldly' for an ashram premie.

I loved 'The Shipping News' and it has just been made into a movie with Kevin Spacey and Julianne Moore. I've heard the movie is quite different than the book, however, so I'm not sure I want to see it. I can't imagine Spacey playing the dufus, lumbering character who is in the book.

The last Anne Tyler I read was Accidental Tourist, and that was years ago. I loved it, though.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:27:57 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Barbara Kingsolver OT
Message:
Hi Joe,

I absolutely love Kingsolver. Pigs in Heaven is great. I haven't read the Poinsonwood Bible yet. There are so many great new novelists that emerged in the 90s, both men and women. Too many to mention.

I forgot that Irving wrote the screenplay for Cider House Rules. Tom just hated what the movie did to Owen Meany. He's a great Irving fan.

Btw, John Irving lives in southern Vermont about one town up from Manchester, VT. There are so many published writers and artists who have settled in Vermont. Close to NYC and Boston, for the publishers and galleries, close to skiing, and close to nature and peace and quiet.

Love,
Cynthia

P.S. I got your mail....will start next week...still recovering from my kitty's death...

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:36:54 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Barbara Kingsolver OT
Message:
Great, I'm looking forward to reading Kingslover.

Glad you got the mail and thanks for working on it. Hope you can stomach it.

Yeah, everything Irving does is so New England. I've liked all the books of his I have read. I didn't see a movie based on Owen Meany, but Cider House Rules took a 30-year relationship and compressed it into a Summer fling, among other things.

Sorry to hear about your kitty's death. They are such dear creatures.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 18:43:37 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: My stomach is fine...
Message:
Not to worry, I'm looking forward to that particular piece of m's work.

I also don't get triggered by his voice, etc. I probably will get pissed off, but that's fine too. Glad to do some service.:):)

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 19:59:01 (EST)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: That's easily solved
Message:
Two nights a month dancing for 5 hours, either to the latest drum & bass, getting a bit of melody back again, or to some of this wicked dark & dirty uk underground garage that's coming out at the mo.

That and a raw food diet for a month and Laurie might start fancying you again.

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 20:11:14 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Re: That's easily solved
Message:
Yes, dancing is the thing, ham, but I hope it's not that garage stuff that you expect me to like. The few bits I listened to on those links you posted were not my cup of tea. Drum and bass yes.

Jim, it is not PC to call yourself fat, please. If you are 25 pounds overweight you are called husky; 50 lbs over is chunky and more than that is called chubby. At least those are the euphemisms employed in gay San Francisco. Sounds like you had my idea of a great vacation. Welcome back. Have you met our four newbies, Chris, Doug/Anandaji, Mirror and Steve?

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 12:00:07 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: About fat....
Message:
Large, hefty, and my favorite, heroically proportioned!
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:15:31 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: About fat....
Message:
Whut, no rubenesque?
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:18:03 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Oh Yes, Rubenesque...
Message:
Is actually my favorite because my husband calls me his Rubenesque woman.

Look at those paintings and the women have full, fleshy, voluptous curves and breasts and flaunt them without the shame we modern woman are taught to have. Real women, not the modern day anorexic (sp?) stick figures.

Thanks for reminding me.

Life is Great with food. The second best drug.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 15:42:41 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: or zaftig is nice too but not for boys :C) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 05:52:34 (EST)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: J 'da'Flex and Ghost
Message:
Are the two to check out under dubplates there, the rest is a bit up it's own arse.

No the garage I was thinking of for you was deeper, deep house sweet vibe, and a latin flavour style too, much smoother, but not commercial.

Jus thinking, on a gay tip, not totally my bag but, some of that filtered disco stuff coming out of France, like Daft Punk and Cassius, but the best of the lot Basement Jaxx, everything they do is quality.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:34:05 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: hamzen
Subject: Radical queer house - ot
Message:
Disco with a techno raw edge - none of the local stuff is on CD yet but the younger fags are producing some techno/psychedelic disco stuff in the dance clubs that has got the old hippies hooked. I'll ask a friend to record some.

BTW my email to you bounced. You must have a new account. If you get a chance mine's above. Will check out your tips.

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 21:17:04 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Hi Pat.
Message:
Hiya Pat,

Maybe, instead of calling someone fat, we should say, they are 'circumferencely challenged', or maybe 'gravitationaly challenged'.

Anth the PC

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 03:47:38 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Avoirdupoisly challeged, Anth - OT
Message:
Except you guys use kilos instead of sensible American pounds. ;)

Of course when I was there they used stones all the bloody time and I had to constantly be multiplying by 14 to figure out which one of us should be on top.

Stone challenged? Stoned? I tried getting unstoned via diet and gained three pounds after starving for a month. The only way is dancing.

I used to do ballet with the cat, Pussy Number Two, and she loved that and would become a floppy purring thingy. I'm training her to do disco because it's more aerobic and but she tends to tense up and claw frantically. I guess she doesn't like faggy stuff.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 07:28:41 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: American pounds?
Message:
Listen pal, we were using pounds before Columbus was born. You'll be telling me next you speak 'American'.

And I bet you didn't know Elvis was born in South London and George Washington came from the North East of England.

The only time I get stoned nowadays is when I go down to the local village and they throw rocks at me, yelling things like, 'Go back to London longhaired commie hippie junkie.'

Anth, I should never have left the cult.

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Date: Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 13:38:08 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Yes, we speak American...
Message:
...which you Brits have garbled into something called English and we also use sensible American miles instead of kilometers. You guys have completely ruined everything you stole from us. God knows you ruin hamburgers.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 15:30:53 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: We've always spoken English.
Message:
Hi Pat,

My old pal Glen Whittaker, who studied English at Oxford, told me a funny story. He was in Arkansas, talking to resident who asked him where he came from. He said, 'England'.
She asked what language we spoke in England.
He replied, 'English'.
She then asked, 'How long have you spoken English in England?'
His academic brain clicked in, thinking, well up until 800 years ago it was called Anglo Saxon. So he said, 'About 800 years.'
The woman replied smugly, with a superior smile, 'Well we've ALWAYS spoken English in Arkansas'.

Maybe she was related to the American colleague of my nephew, who asked why the Queen had built Windsor Castle so near to Heathrow Airport.

Yanks, we love 'em.

Anth the Euro-pagan.

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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 15:57:59 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: And Yanks love Brit Royalty too
Message:
When you get rid of them send them over here. We'll put QE11 and the family up at Disneyland in their own styrofoam reproduction of Windsor Castle and give them a percentage of the take. They'd probably do better than that new gigantic roller-coaster.
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:05:35 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: You can have the lot of them Pat.
Message:
Hi Pat,

We'll send the whole Royal Family, and their 12,000 sycophants over to California and you can keep them forever. They're past their sell by date. They've been inbreeding for too long, and eating too much lead in their game, and are not even good for sticking on TV game shows anymore.

There are much more worthy folk to put on the stamps and the money, like Norman Wisdom, Barbara Windsor, Sid Vicious, Johnny Rotten etc.

The novely soon wears off, and you'll soon remember why you kicked them out in the revolution.

Anth the Republican

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 03:52:59 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Barbara Windsor???
Message:
Oh okay I suppose since Diana Dors is dead. But I'd prefer Honor ''Pussy Galore'' Blackman on the pound.

We'd only take the royals if they appear as permanent guests on The Weakest Link. Or is that the Missing Link? Actually they'd get on fine in Deliverance coumtry where inbreeding is de rigeur. In fact doesn't Charles look like the guy with long ears and a Neanderthal skull who buggered Ned Beatty in that movie?

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 15:48:46 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: LOL. nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 20:17:05 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Link to new posters
Message:
Here's a link to two of the new posters whose thread has now gone inactive.
[ Lil Darlin and Doug ]
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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 21:51:21 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Yeah, THAT loneliness
Message:
Great to hear from so many people escaping M's grasp. Doug talked about the loneliness he felt leaving the program in Miami. Oh my god, does that ever bring back memories. That loneliness was so strong, so powerful. Why? Because, as premies clamoring for THAT heart, THAT feeling, we tried to scrape away an imaginary barrier. Like someone on acid trying to remove his cornea because he thinks it's a contact lens stuck to his eye (I knew someone who did this once).

Afterwards, out in the real world, what was there to feel but alone and confused? Sad thing is that that's exactly the impetus that drives so many premies back to Maharaji, begging for comfort from the mind. And inspires some of that schizophrenic poetry we keep seeing on ELK.

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 18:31:15 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Sorry, I don't buy it
Message:
I loved Memoires of a Geisha. Now that's my kind of woman. Kidding folks. Very compelling look inside another type of social structure I had no idea previous about. Nicely written and supposedly based on interviews with some of the last living geishas.

You're right about the cospiracy Jim, we're sooooo busted. It was CW holding the camera. You won't believe who he is.... hold a minute. Someone's at the aaaarrrggghhhhhh.

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 19:08:06 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Just as I thought
Message:
So Cat is in Seattle after all! Working in a good, if modest, Italian restaurant waiting for a sex change.

By the way, how in the world did you ever come to read Geisha if Laurie didn't turn you on to it? What's going on here?

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 20:02:43 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Just as I thought
Message:
Now you've blown it. Now everyone will know that Cat was just an Ex plant posting to keep the Forum interesting. Without him, us loosers have to resort to book reports to keep the conversation alive.

By the way, how in the world did you ever come to read Geisha if Laurie didn't turn you on to it? What's going on here?
Something to think about on dark winter nights, eh? Actually, I think there are a few literate people here in the States. Maybe one of them suggested Geisha. Right Laurie? That's the way it happened. OK?

Richard San

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Date: Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 13:49:36 (EST)
From: R.W.
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Newspaper Ads
Message:
Some months ago there was talk about placing newspaper ads that would direct people to ex-premie web sites. Was that ever done? Was there any benefit?
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Date: Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:23:08 (EST)
From: MRC
Email: None
To: R.W.
Subject: Re: Newspaper Ads
Message:
A group called the Maharaji Responsbility Campaign (MRC) took an advertisement out in a Boston newspaper in June, 2000 when M did a program there. It had a picture of M and said something like:

'Remember the 14-year-old Perfect Master? -- He's Still Here'

Then gave the location of the 'event' and an internet address to a letter to M that had been drafted by MRC. It did not mention ex-premie.org.

As far as MRC knows, there have been no advertisements taken out advertising EPO.

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