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Copie d'un message de
Chuck Sprague sur le forum anglo, à traduire
si quelqu'un veur faire un peu de service ?
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The Questions that supposedly drive us
crazy...
... are easily answered. They don't drive me
crazy at all. It's when the people asking ignore
the answers, that makes me a bit crazy.
From ''Charles''' website, his:
Questions That Drive The Critics Crazy...
(and my answers)
Q: Why all the hatred and anger? Their answer is
usually some vague way of shirking responsibility
for their lives, like 'it's part of the healing
process.' This is more crazy talk. Maharaji
promises to give people a gift of inner peace. I
never heard him promise to make your car payments
or get you a nice job.
A: I haven't shirked any responsibility. I fully
accept my responsibility for my involvment with M.
In fact, I insist on it, because it allows me to
take my own power back. I also insist he take
resposibility for his part. I want him to say what
he means, and mean what he says. If he doesn't he
can expect criticism. What's wrong with that?
Welcome to the real world.
Who said ANYTHING about M making promises to make
my car payments or get me a nice job? What are you
talking about? Are you obfuscating things with
nonsense?. Or is it part of your need to see us all
as angry and hate-filled, defective somehow, so you
won't have to look at the truth?
Q: If you left 25 years ago, then why are you
still hung up on this? Why don't you just move on
with your life? This one might buy you a punch in
the nose. They know in their heart that they had a
very real experience practicing Knowledge (a few
honest ones will even admit it) but having
committed themselves to the hate cult, they feel
the need to validate their ugly doubt and paranoia.
Aren't they better off enjoying their lives? Why do
they need to tear down others to do it?
A: I DIDN'T leave 25 years ago, I left 5 months
ago. Many of us have left in more recent times,
don't paint us all with one brush. Sheesh! And I am
moving on with my life. Life is wonderful. And I'm
still having a very real experience practicing the
four techniques. Guess what? They aren't not
copyrighted. They aren't even secret in the real
world.
I forgive M completly for lying. I don't want
revenge. I want justice. Forgivness does not
preclude addressing current wrongdoings, or
allowing blame for past mistakes and deceptions to
be wrongfully shifted to others. Let the full truth
be revealed, and let the blame fall where it
belongs. A legal deposition could sort out the
facts.
And what's wrong with addressing wrongdoings of the
past? It helps prevent them from being repeated,
and is an example to others who would try to do the
same. How does being in the past make an injustice
ok to ignore? Are you REALLY a laywer?
Wouldn't we be better off enjoying our lives? Sure,
who wouldn't be? But who says we're NOT? Many of us
feel much better after unloading the Imaginary
Friend and His baggage. We enjoy our lives and
'''tearing others down''' has nothing to do with
it. If the things M has done in his life put him in
a less than flattering light when scrutinized, that
speaks worse of him than those who simply observe
his behavior, and talk about it. Whose fault is it
that M has secrets to hide? Certainly not mine.
Q: How come all the stories you tell about
Maharaji allegedly doing bad things are twenty-five
years old? Ask them this one, and they'll mumble
but never give you a straight answer. That's
because hate groups rely on the insidious urban
legend: stories so old they could never be
substantiated. Everything is 'I heard it from
someone in the know who told them....' At best,
these people are misleading themselves, at worst,
they are trying to mislead others. They have no
documentation of wrongdoing, because there never
was any. Merely typing it up and posting it on a
web page to look like 'archives' doesn't make it
true.
A: Easy answer. Your WRONG, they aren't all 25 year
old stories. I didn't even get involved until 20
years ago, and I've ''kept in touch'' all that
time. Last year, I did a lot of sycronized
participation. Many of us only left recently, and
are talking about that.
If you actually read EPO before criticizing, you
would see that. You are making sweeping
generalizations, in order to obfuscate the issues.
You call us a ''Hate Group'' so you don't have to
see us as individuals or real people, because if
you did, you might actually have to be concerned
about what we are saying. You accuse us of ''Urban
Ledgends?'' Where did you get that from, a movie
poster? You critisize us without even reading what
we've been saying. No wonder you are anonymous.
Where is YOUR credability?
And what did happen 25 years ago is still relevent,
because it is the basis of all that has come
afterward, and M is trying to sweep it under a rug,
pretend it never happend. He's lying. Who is
misleading who? Who is collecting money under false
pretenses, who is hiding financial records, who is
revising the past, who is hiding from the press?
And ''Charles'', who is Who is making accusations
anonomously?
There is plenty of documention of wrongdoing. Many
of the cult documents are on EPO. Many of the
stories of our lives are on EPO. Great care is
taken to be as accurate at possible, and to verify
as much as possible, and to correct information if
better or more complete information sources are
revealed. If what is said here is lies, then M
should sue. But he doesn't DARE. His actions won't
hold up to scrutiny.
Q: Why does it matter to you if Maharaji lives
in a nice house? Look at the number of self-help
materials and 'spritual books' on the market today.
Any fool can realize that Maharaji could have made
himself a fortune selling this stuff, if money was
what he was after. The critics are just freaked out
that Maharaji isn't here to satisfy their concepts.
So what if he isn't a little old man in a beggars'
white robes? Who cares? Maharaji is a Master of
this Knowledge. And the student doesn't get to tell
the Master what to look like, how to dress, or what
to eat. Maharaji's message is what counts. There IS
no money issue. It's just a sideshow to spread the
poison of doubt. Don't drink it.
A: You're obfuscating again! The issue is not what
kind of house M lives in. It's how was that house
paid for. And no, M could not have made as much
money making self-help books, because he doesn't
know how. He doesn't even know how to teach yoga,
either. He's teaching devotion to himself, using a
few yoga techniques as a lure. It's based on old
Rhadasoami Indian religious cult practices,
superficially modified for western consumption, and
useful for collecting a lot of money in the
process.
I agree, who cares how he dresses? Who's saying he
should wear a loin cloth or robes to be credible?
What are you talking about? What's that got to do
with anything?
M is the Master of Knowlege? If you believe that,
it may become the truth for you, but it is by no
means a universally undisputed fact, any more than
Santa Claus, or the tooth fairy. People really do
believe in them too, and have an experience from
that belief, but that doesn't make the existance of
such magical entities a fact. When a child believes
in Santa, the FEELINGS the child has are real. But
that dosen't mean Santa is.
I agree M's message IS what counts. His message is
that he is the Master, and all that goes with that
concept. Yes, it is a concept. He shows you an
experience anyone can have from yoga, encourages
you to believe it's God, then takes credit for it.
That is what corrupt guru's do. It's an old
Indian story M's just doing it in the west,
where the money is.
Even if he really thinks he is Ballyguesswhat, the
MASTER, I say, so what? Is he ENTITLED to tell lies
with impunity? I've been lied to by M, and I hate
that. Perhaps you think I should be glad about it?
Is that what you tell your clients? Do you accuse
them of being members of a hate group when they
come to you, unhappy with an injustice?
There is no money issue, you say? Fine. That's easy
to prove. Let's look at the books then. If there is
nothing to hide, then hide nothing. Even in India,
many guru's have open finances. Why doesn't M, if
he has nothing to hide? Why?
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The premie sites criticising us will not link to
our sites, although we do link to theirs, because
we have nothing to hide. They do.
Hiding from hard facts will not make them
dissapear. M's chickens are coming home to roost.
Don't give up, Maharaji. Give in.
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