SloeBurn -:- Golden Toilets? -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 20:24:22 (GMT)

__ la-ex -:- a few observations on charismatic cult leaders... -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:58:58 (GMT)

__ __ Mercedes -:- a few observations on charismatic cult leaders... -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 15:21:33 (GMT)

__ Joy -:- Yes, It's For Real--Golden Toilets and Then Some -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:46:02 (GMT)

__ __ Richard -:- Joy, attention to detail -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 03:19:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ Joe -:- Attention to detail -- but missing the point -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 10:50:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ la-ex -:- Denial aint just a river in Egypt....nt -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 21:24:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ G -:- It's like trying to spit shine shit. -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:37:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ***BEST OF*** Forum - G's analysis spot on -:- Tues, May 08, 2001 at 18:06:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- STENCH: Something's stinking in L.A. - Jiva (nt) -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 20:32:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Attention to detail -- but missing the point -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:25:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- getting invitations a day or two after the event -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 18:36:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Rush, Rush, Stop, Stop, Change, Change.... -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:17:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- great post, Cynthia - especially liked this:.. -:- Tues, May 08, 2001 at 16:18:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Rush, Rush, Stop, Stop, Change, Change.... -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 21:04:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Yes, yes, a 'simon-sez' religion -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 18:50:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Ship Ahoy! -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 21:33:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Ship Ahoy! -:- Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:40:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Yes, if DECCA slaves are lurking -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 23:56:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Did you two know- -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:54:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- I didn't know them but -:- Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:01:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Did you two know- -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 15:35:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ G -:- A strange dance, eh? -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 17:03:58 (GMT)

__ Jerry -:- Golden Toilets? -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 21:08:31 (GMT)

__ __ Mr Bubblehead -:- Golden Twats -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:40:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ gerry -:- Golden showers? -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:51:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Mr B -:- Golden showers? -:- Sat, May 05, 2001 at 06:24:16 (GMT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Golden Toilets--Yes, it's true... -:- Fri, May 04, 2001 at 23:43:09 (GMT)

Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 20:24:22 (GMT) From: SloeBurn Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Golden Toilets? Message:

I have seen several references to golden toilets. Is this a verified thing.. I mean in the literal sense? I went to the EV website today and did some reading too. One thing I noted was the multiple times they said stuff like the only thing you can be sure about with M. is that he will always do something unexpected. You know that would be a great manipulation techinique. First brainwash your sheep and make them rely on you totally, then keep them in a constant state of fatigue wondering 'what comes next' not offering any stability. That is the tactic that many men use who beat their wives. Take away their self esteem and ability to provide for themselves then keep them off balance all the time with unpredictable behaviour. Actually I was thinking it seemed like a great buildup for him to make some drastic changes. They can always point back to the 'unpredictable' nature and say well that's M for ya.. always keeping you on your toes. Nothing like a Lord that can't make up his mind.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:58:58 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: SloeBurn Subject: a few observations on charismatic cult leaders... Message:

From 'Comprehending Cults',by Lorne Dawson, on strategies used by charismatic cult leaders to preserve their authority... 1-to keep followers off balance and their attention on the words and wishes of the leader, they may alter the doctrines and policies of the cult, sometimes very suddenly. The shifts have a levelling effect that reasserts the superiority of the leader to his own followers. The shift also forces some of the old guard to the margins of the movement while elevating new people to the inner circle of devotees. 2-Cult leaders need to seek constant reaffirmation of the loyalty of the followers. This leads to an escalation of the demands they place on members for personal service and scarifice to them. 3-They demonize their enemies, whether real or imagined. By condemning acts of others, they can divert attention from their own failings and provide a convenient excuse for the group's troubles. 4-They may as a last resort, change the location and the operating environment to a more isolated spot, and attempt to regain more devotion.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 15:21:33 (GMT) From: Mercedes Email: None To: la-ex Subject: a few observations on charismatic cult leaders... Message:

4-They may as a last resort, change the location and the operating environment to a more isolated spot, and attempt to regain more devotion. Amaroo cames to mind!!!!

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:46:02 (GMT) From: Joy Email: None To: SloeBurn Subject: Yes, It's For Real--Golden Toilets and Then Some Message:

Yes, Sloeburn, it really is true. Gold-plated toilets. The degree of elaborateness and care taken in his 'residences' (and planes and yachts I presume) is beyond belief. Everyone is trying desperately to do things absolutely perfectly for their Lord and he demands a degree of perfection from these people which is unheard of in the real world. He has hundreds, literally hundreds, of unpaid servants waiting on him and his households day and night. The opportunity to do this kind of direct 'service' is very sought after in the premie world. It's a great honor to do the laundry or even the laundry of the people doing the laundry, believe it or not. The fanatical devotion and attention to detail put into this is difficult to describe. I once had the 'service' of picking pine needles up off his driveway in Malibu. Not just ordinary sweeping, mind you, actually picking them up one by one lest not a single one remain and it look absolutely immaculate. This type of fanatical detail is demanded by him of every aspect of his environment and he has a batallion of willing slaves waiting to comply. Years of this type of striving for perfection has had somewhat of an effect on the rest of my life. I tend to do projects with a degree of care for how they look and feel which I would no way have had had I not done service for all those years in that environment. This can be a good thing in that it translates into a quality of product not often seen and can help you sell your services, whatever they may be (in my case, graphics). But I can assure you, the stories of gold plated toilets are true, and then some.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 03:19:30 (GMT) From: Richard Email: None To: Joy Subject: Joy, attention to detail Message:

You've made an important point about doing things with attention to detail. I think many of us who performed actions in M's proximity were compelled to do those things 'perfectly'. We had a reason to do things impeccably and, regardless of the recipient's worthiness, he was the focus of that impeccability. Some of the best graphic design work I have ever done was to help M in his work. In doing so, I learned a skill and adopted a level of responsibility that I profit from today. I'm sure many of my clients respond to the care I put into my work. That said, it was me and us that brought the level of attention to detail and gave it to m's service because we truly believed he was worthy of it. That is precisely why the Big Donors give and the service freaks keep on doing service (participate). It is perhaps the only time they feel that they are doing something worthwhile. The programming is deep to attribute all that to M but he's worked hard to keep them roped in. As an old time upper level guy from IHQ days said after seeing M in Long Beach after 20 years: 'Well, Maharaji is certainly the complete manifestation of himself'.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 10:50:01 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Richard Subject: Attention to detail -- but missing the point Message:

What always amazed me about DLM and Elan Vital operations was this fanatic attention to detail, but somehow the bigger picture was completely lost; sort of the inability to see the forest for the trees. Things just never seem to actually work. Plus, it has the effect of making the premies look like robots. So, for example, great attention will be given to the latest propagation scheme, this time through training videos and DVDs, but this will all be for naught, as Maharaji and the PWKs will not address the fact that most premies are embarrassed to tell people they are premies, they are embarrassed of, and unable to explain to a normal person, Maharaji's megalomania nor even how he fits into the cult. This is all heightened by the internet and the dissemination of Maharaji's failings as a master, a father, a husband and a human being. Maharaji's modus operandi has always been fanatic, anal attention to detail, and this ridiculous impeccability requirement, but he no clue whatsoever about why it never actually works.

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 21:24:40 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Joe Subject: Denial aint just a river in Egypt....nt Message:

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:37:09 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Joe Subject: It's like trying to spit shine shit. Message:

or like starting off with ingredients, some of them rotten, and trying to make a good dish out of them. It doesn't matter how good the recipe is, how much you spice it up, or how good the presentation, the rotten flavor will come through. I saw this happen when bringing someone to an introductory video. During the second video I could sense her recoiling from the stench, she could sense something was wrong. The video's superficial message, slick graphics and overproduction could not cover it up. She learned another meditation instead - for free - from someone who didn't ask her to follow him. I could not honestly advise her not to do that. The was a major drip for me, for I knew that I sensed the same stench. One thing was a ticking clock and a heavy intense feeling. There was an underlying, implied, hidden message that 'I (who call myself 'Maharaji') can save you, this is your last and only chance and your time is running out because you are going to die and then that's end of story, finito. So you had better be scared shitless, do whatever I say, and beg me out of desperation to 'show you Knowledge'. Then and only then will you have everlasting life.' This is the same garbage that fundamentalists (of any sort) dump on people. It's disgusting. How ironic that he fosters the very fear and guilt that he claims to free people from. It's an illusory trick, first he triggers a feeling of guilt and fear, then he triggers a feeling of relief, then guilt and fear again, then relief again, ... This is not a fun merry-go-round to be on. It's presided over by a sadistic clown. Better to get off.

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Date: Tues, May 08, 2001 at 18:06:07 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: G Subject: ***BEST OF*** Forum - G's analysis spot on Message:

Thanks, G, for the following: . . . 'I (who call myself 'Maharaji') can save you, this is your last and only chance and your time is running out because you are going to die and then that's end of story, finito. So you had better be scared shitless, do whatever I say, and beg me out of desperation to 'show you Knowledge'. Then and only then will you have everlasting life.' This is the same garbage that fundamentalists (of any sort) dump on people. It's disgusting. How ironic that he fosters the very fear and guilt that he claims to free people from. It's an illusory trick, first he triggers a feeling of guilt and fear, then he triggers a feeling of relief, then guilt and fear again, then relief again, ... This is not a fun merry-go-round to be on. It's presided over by a sadistic clown. Better to get off.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 20:32:34 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: G Subject: STENCH: Something's stinking in L.A. - Jiva (nt) Message:

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:25:44 (GMT) From: Richard Email: None To: Joe Subject: Attention to detail -- but missing the point Message:

True Joe. I liken the gathering of creative talents to WPA days when the country's best artisans and craftsmen created enduring works of art (Coit Tower murals, etc) just for the sake of renewing America's post-Depression spirit and NOT for FDR's glory. In 'doing service', the actual creative process itself was valid but the focus was misappropriated - and still is. And so often, as you point out, the effort is wasted like the WPA digging ditches just to fill them up again. Wasted effort like getting invitations to India or Amaroo a day or two before or even after the event. Hundreds of person hours and thousands of dollars wasted. No legitimate business could survive that ineptness. One major benefit I derived from my efforts was learning a trade and a style of work that I still profit from. Many others were not so fortunate. And it goes without saying that M was the major beneficiary of those efforts.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 18:36:40 (GMT) From: Francesca Email: None To: Richard Subject: getting invitations a day or two after the event Message:

Many organizations do this because of the first-class mail v bulk mailing scheme. You're involved in other non profits, so you know the deal. In one organization I was in, the dues paying members get information sent first-class. People who don't contribute but are retained on the list are sent their information bulk mail, which is cheaper. When it's time-dated material, it's absolutely stupid to send it at all. However, if you are getting invitations to programs two days late, it shows you are doing something REALLY right. You've stopped contributing for long enough that they've bounced you to bulk mail. That's probably why they wanted people to sign up by e-mail. I tried once, but when it didn't work, I decided I didn't want it anyway. I recently asked them to be taken off their mailing list, because frankly, I find out enough about what he's doing and saying to make me hurl, right herre on the forum. Love ya, f (who wants an EV and M free mailbox)

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 16:17:37 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Joe Subject: Rush, Rush, Stop, Stop, Change, Change.... Message:

Hi Joe, I've seen this pattern over and over in the Maharajism cult. Everything in flux and/or reorganization, causing premies great stress. It's always been this way. My mind would tell me 'what the fuck?' what was wrong with the way we did things YESTERDAY? But that ole lila programming and guru worship negated any thinking or questioning because to do so would put me or any premie at great risk of either being called crazy or bongo, or, even worse, losing a position that brought me close to m physically--the ultimate goal of a true believer. The gold toilets is one small example of how much m thinks he is entitled to have. A perfect example is the 707 project because so many premies were together in one place and he had the power over us (his frequent presence there) and he used it to make unbelievable demands. He'd come into the design room and just trash hand drawings someone had just spent all night working on at his request! This period of time was long before any computerized architectural programs so it was very intense. We accepted this because of our embedded programming and beliefs he was the true living lord. Then he'd move on to another place in the complex and do the same to other premies. Tragically, we though he was making us humble, when in fact, he was humiliating us. Quite a difference. M loves to micro-manage projects until everything, as he loves to say, is ''impeccable.'' Then he takes credit for doing the work. He believes he a genious when in reality he depends upon the talents of others. One of my drips was in the late 90's when he stated playing the keyboard and bragging in his speaks that he ''composed'' music. Well, big fucking deal. Who can't compose music if they have state of the art computer technology--it has nothing to do with talent. Now, as at Amaroo, he performs! It's so, so weird I could puke. I did learn how to do things with more attention to detail and quality, but that isn't necessarily a balanced way of doing things either. My husband had to teach me how to slow down when I work on projects because he would see how stressed out I'd get because I always hurried. He'd tell me that I'm missing the experience and joy of making something beautiful--artwork, writing--even something as simple as a nice dinner or mundane as cleaning my house. It's taken years, but Tom has reminded me again and again to slooow down, Cynthia, there's no race going on here! Perfectionism is also a symptom of alcoholism. Put that together with meglomania and what a mess of a person! Love, Cynthia

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Date: Tues, May 08, 2001 at 16:18:33 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: great post, Cynthia - especially liked this:.. Message:

great post, Cynthia - and this I found very relatable: 'Tragically, we thought he was making us humble, when in fact, he was humiliating us. Quite a difference'. Too true, too f***'ing tragically true. Having true humility of spirit (a quality allied to generosity, I think?) CANNOT be equated with the consequences of the bullying that M so often used to get his own way (still does? - well it worked for him in the past, and who's to tell if he's changed?) Being humiliated is a pretty damn shabby alternative to finding true humility in yourself. Shame that the likes of the Maha continues to profit from that kind of misunderstanding. When will premies start to think these things out for themselves ???

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 21:04:21 (GMT) From: Richard Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Rush, Rush, Stop, Stop, Change, Change.... Message:

True Cynthia - the manic methodic madness does not neccessarily equal concious action and fulfillment. It is very important to stop to smell the roses, not obsess over removing the thorns (as our mutual good friend has done / does faithfully).

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 18:50:19 (GMT) From: Francesca Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Yes, yes, a 'simon-sez' religion Message:

Cynthia: Your whole post was a treasure, but this particularly rung for me: I've seen this pattern over and over in the Maharajism cult. Everything in flux and/or reorganization, causing premies great stress. It's always been this way. My mind would tell me 'what the fuck?' what was wrong with the way we did things YESTERDAY? But that ole lila programming and guru worship negated any thinking or questioning ... I felt like I'd been herded around and told things were different so many times that I'd run out of the resilience to continue being bounced around like that. The guilty part of me thought I was inflexible. Then once I started getting disinvolved I was able to see that every time I tapped in with the premies, there was always a new revision, a new way to do things, changing the techniques, changing this, changing that. I ceased to care. It was then that the drip hit the top of my crown chakra that told me this was a 'simon sez' religion because it was a messianic cult. M was the leader. There was no other. Everything he said, we did, or you were off the boat. So for the 2nd time, I said 'ship ahoy.' ('Ship ahoy' was our motto when we Bhole Ji's band members became monmots in the mid-70s.) I just didn't care any more. Like you, I could see anything wrong with the way things were. I questioned his judgment. I saw that it was all for the purpose of manipulation and getting people to obey, for no purpose whatsoever. But to question that, was to question his handle on his mission--bringing peace to the world, and propagation. (How I hate that word, it conjures up images or artificially inseminating cows or something.) And question it, I did. I decided he was a rudderless ship himself, a purposeless bag of wind teaching people nothing that they couldn't find out in many other ways, for a minimum of pain and effort. All of his changes wasted so much resources and effort. Like my neighbors that went through a phase for several years of remodelling their house and relandscaping their yard. Over and over. A lot of work. A lot of money. A lot of stress. For what??? Also, your insights into the workings of Decca and the 707 project are invaluable. There are many people here besides Dettmers and Donner, that are filling us in on the inner workings of the cult, and you are one of them. Love from Northern California, f

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 21:33:50 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Francesca Subject: Ship Ahoy! Message:

Hi Francesca, When I write about DECA lately I wonder what happend to all those premies who slaved there. It would be wonderful if others would come forward to write about their experiences there. It was a place where nothing mattered except what he wanted. Period. No questions, no debates, no discussions. Because he came to that place so often it placed all the more pressure on everyone. I remember his saying it was a pressure cooker for the mind--can you imagine? What an idiot. When I started there at the small place in Hialeah, we were still using typewriters and the fax machine was the type that burned images onto a large cylinder and sent them to where ever he was. Without any air conditioning, the photocopier was constantly breaking down and if he decided to arrive (expecting the reports we were preparing for him) we'd have to kick the repairman out because 'the client' was enroute. So bizarre. And he was always ''the client.'' Secrets and lies. It was a slave-labor camp and everyone was expendible. Chills me when I think about it now. The Amaroo site and what happens there is also chilling to me because it's so isolated. I'm starting to wonder if Rev Do-Bad is losing his marbles big time. I'll bet he was furious that more people didn't go to Amaroo. HAHAHA! I could just imagine his rage. Now he's having skits on stage, performing himself--weird, weird, YUCK! When I tried to go back to the booger in 1997, NO ONE would talk about it. It was absolutely a non-topic...DRIP... I remembered something this week. When I got burnt out to the point of being transferred out of Miami, I almost got sent to San Francisco--but they sent me to Gainesville instead. I've never been to the west coast in my life. I've never seen the Pacific Ocean. Maybe in the future... Be well, Love, Cynthia

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Date: Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:40:03 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Ship Ahoy! Message:

Do you know G Sommer?

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 23:56:11 (GMT) From: Francesca Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Yes, if DECCA slaves are lurking Message:

Cynthia: If DECCA slaves are lurking, it would be good if they came forward. I'm glad Carl came forward with his own stories of Bhole Ji's band and the family split. He's on vacation, but he'll return to hopefully post some more. I'm from Connecticut originally. Ended up in California in 1970 or 71 and essentially lived there except for 1973-74 premie stuff in Boston and Atlanta (Soul Rush and Apostles Band). Both coasts are nice, I think! love, f

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:54:02 (GMT) From: Tonette Email: None To: Francesca Subject: Did you two know- Message:

I remember Tom and Katja Bossola went to decca in 1980. Did you know them? It was sad, their marriage broke up soon afterwards. Had two adorable little boys, Toby and Owen. I wonder what ever happened to them. Be cool you two, love your posts, Tonette

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Date: Mon, May 07, 2001 at 01:01:55 (GMT) From: Francesca Email: None To: Tonette Subject: I didn't know them but Message:

that's really sad. As Cynthia said, many marriages broke up. I know there was a giant sucking sound as many of the ashram premies and community premies with certain skills were transferred or went to Miami in droves. There was always this sense of urgency, this gotta do it now thing. Really sad, with two little kids involved. Children of cults -- that is a whole other, horrible thing. Of course, being a Catholic child wasn't easy either, but at least they don't tell families to break up!!! Love, f

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 15:35:50 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Tonette Subject: Did you two know- Message:

Hi Tonette, I don't remember Tom and Katja. At one point I knew everyone, but once the project moved to the big complex there were so many premies there it's difficult to remember them all. Depends on where they worked--what they did, too. I know a lot of premies divorced during that time, and it's very sad. Love, Cynthia

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 17:03:58 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: A strange dance, eh? Message:

Here's another contradiction, if everything is so 'impeccable', then why all the change? And he asks people to believe that they screwed up, even though they did what he told them. Like the recent mocking of EV and pwkies at Amaroo. He pretends that he doesn't have anything to do with EV's weirdness, when really he's the major cause of it. Sometimes it's inappropriate to make certain things 'impeccable'. The problem is that there are only 24 hours in a day, you can't make everything 'impeccable'. This obsessiveness goes against having a balanced lifestyle and is actually quite harmful. We need to sense how much time and care is warrented and when something is 'good enough'. Yes, composing mediocre music is no biggie, even without a computer. Many many people can put together a simple tune that follows a few simple rules of music and so doesn't sound completely awful. Yet he writes a little so-so unmemorable music and thinks he's another Beethoven. Oy Vey!. No Rawat, you're far below the Saliari character in the movie Amadeus. (Of course the real Saliari wasn't like that but that's not the point.) You struggle just to put together a little mediocrity, you are the patron saint of mediocrity.

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 21:08:31 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: SloeBurn Subject: Golden Toilets? Message:

Sloeburn, The reason Maharaji is allowed to get away with anything is so you don't have to concern yourself with proper ethics. After all, the only thing that matters is the 'experience'. If the master behaves in a questionable manner, and you're called upon to bring him to task for it, that might jeopardize your 'experience'. And that's no fun. So, you get this little feature in the program called 'lila' you can execute anytime the experience is threatened. Works out nice if you can buy into it. As for the gold toilets, that's what I've heard too. Must be for all those little gold hamster droppings.

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:40:07 (GMT) From: Mr Bubblehead Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Golden Twats Message:

Hey friendly Jerry, I suppose we learn the most from the more difficult relationships we have, eg, marriage or your guru (especially marriage), 'cause you just can't ignore them hey, and if you accept that life is a learning experience and everyone is our teacher, then in the long run, it's all for the greater good. My last missive to you was deleted by the resident gestapo. I tell ya, it ain't easy being a bubble in a world full of pricks. Bye Mr Bubblehead

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 01:51:32 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Mr Bubblehead Subject: Golden showers? Message:

Mr B, What's gotten into you? You OK?

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Date: Sat, May 05, 2001 at 06:24:16 (GMT) From: Mr B Email: None To: gerry Subject: Golden showers? Message:

Hi Gerry, I'm doin' it a bit tough of late, but life is still reasonably beaut. Do I sound different or something? HAd a few bubbles burst but there's always more a forming. Cya

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Date: Fri, May 04, 2001 at 23:43:09 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Golden Toilets--Yes, it's true... Message:

Oh yes, he has had at least one golden toilet I know of. Gold plated for the 707 plane (got to minimize the payload, you see). Maybe he thinks he shits gold, but if he did that, he wouldn't need to steal from his followers. Yes, he thinks he deserves everything and anything he wants because he is the LARD, after all, nothing but the best. Even if he doesn't have to go out, get a job and earn the luxuries that have been showered upon him at our expense. Maharaji is nothing but a big time loser and user. Not to mention a BIG FAT LIAR, too. Best, Cynthia

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