Brian Smith -:- Living with our differences -:- Tues, Feb 05, 2002 at 23:00:44 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- ***A REAL Keeper*** -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 22:51:46 (EST)

__ ChrisP -:- VERY nice post, Brian, thank you (nt) -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 22:47:56 (EST)

__ Anandaji -:- Re: Living with our differences -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 20:34:46 (EST)

__ Carl -:- Well said, and heartfelt. -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 17:52:34 (EST)

__ Ed -:- The real 'Declaration of Independence' !!! -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 16:38:33 (EST)

__ Brian Smith -:- Thanks everyone -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 15:57:14 (EST)

__ __ Kelly -:- I totally disagree -:- Thurs, Feb 07, 2002 at 10:44:11 (EST)

__ OTS -:- Excellent Post & Thanks -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:52:44 (EST)

__ __ Barbara -:- Toe the line -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:06:39 (EST)

__ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Toe the line -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 20:13:41 (EST)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Thanks Barbara... -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 13:30:06 (EST)

__ PatC -:- Just perfect, Brian. Thank you. [nt] -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 03:05:18 (EST)

__ Francesca :) -:- BEST of BEST, Brian! (nt) [nt] -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 00:45:14 (EST)

__ Richard -:- Brian, the best thing you say is . . . -:- Tues, Feb 05, 2002 at 23:50:10 (EST)

__ Steve Mueller -:- Best of the Best of the Best! Wow! -:- Tues, Feb 05, 2002 at 23:39:23 (EST)

__ __ janet -:- put it on the masthead! -:- Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 03:36:10 (EST)

Date: Tues, Feb 05, 2002 at 23:00:44 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Living with our differences
Message:

Much has been shared here and argued over at various times about the different personalities and communication styles and opinions posted on this forum.

Learning to deal with these different dynamics is much easier when one realizes that no matter what our differences there is one common connection that keeps us coming here. We were all affected by the cult, either in it or close to someone who was, and we now need to examine and dispell the myth of it all and move on with our lives.

No matter how we percieve or characterize each other keeping in mind that we are all fighting the same battle helps us to deal with the personal conflicts that sometimes flare up along the way with each other.

It would be foolish to say that confrontations are ever going to disappear entirely, and they shouldn't, handling adversity constructively can provide a Quantum leap of understanding and greatly increase the speed of the exit process.

Dealing with others differences can make a big difference in us. Life is not always a bed of roses and if we learn how to grow from altercation and challenge it can be one of the most useful lessons we have for moving forward in life.

Whenever we break through the little box that we have surrounded ourselves in we grow, the cult to me represented one big box that I have now managed to break out of. Through the years of conditioning many of us spent in the cult we were programmed to go along with the crowd and not rock the boat.

It is a miracle that any of us grew through the restrained and limited cult consciousness or maintained enough of an independent streak to break away from it.

Strong personalities challenge and test our mettle and make us uncomfortable because they challenge our resources to think for ourselves again.

By nature many premies were and are passive, loving, nuturing types and the conditions of the cult fostered that demeaner even more. This mindset is what keeps them and kept us for so long from breaking out of the box and becoming ex-premies.

Along the way we lost our inquisitive and inquiring nature, gave it up in fact to tow the cult line.

So by instilled nature it is difficult to deal with adversity and differences and challenges of our positions, Because for so long we avoided challenge in our way of thinking and retreated into the warm fuzzy confines of the cult for each others comfort and support.

We no longer had full possession of the very sort of inquiring and curious instincts that led us to look into the cult and m in the first place.

These are valuable tools necessary for mature adult development which the cult convinced us were bad, evil, to be avoided. Any question against the standard cult party line was evidence that one was in their mind, a very disturbing and dark place to be.

Then we find ourselves at a time in life when we are confronted with a different possibility a different reality, maybe we came to our own realizations maybe we find EPO or the Forum as I did.

We come to a point of reckoning, but we show up with the same warm fuzzy expectations of the cult mentality, and this is where many stubb their toes, get their feelings hurt and cry foul play.

When we jump out of the box into the real world all is fine until we realize that everyone out here is not the same. The same conditions we accepted in the cult do not apply anymore. There are bad people, mean people, difficult people at least we characterize them as such anyway.

Taking the step to seeing past the differences in personalities and styles to recognizing the similarity of purpose is a crucial stage in the exiting process. It works both ways if there is a sincere effort in progress.

I have to admit that my first wake up call was a tough one when I had to rise to the occasion and jump out of my little warm and fuzzy box and meet the challengers head on and defend my position of cult apologist which was where I was coming from at the time of my first post.

I got encouragement, but I also met a fair amount of challenge and I really got all knotted up over that part for a while.

My first impulse was flight, run back to the safety of the cult, but then something else I don't know what it was, maybe it was because I felt so uncomfortable and hurt over what was said to me, I stayed to fight it out and defend or redeem my cozy little neatly boxed up relationship with M the cult and myself.

And am I glad that I stayed, because even though they lowered the boom on me, I benefited from it. They took an ax and hammer to my box and it was not just one person, there were many who did a number prying the lid open and pulling me out of it.

I was presented with facts, documented information and a lot of uncomfortable truths which finally made it possible for me to examine my position honestly and for the first time see the box and then expand my perspective beyond the box.

Once I saw that there was something outside of the box, I wasted no time in going for it, embracing freedom wholeheartedly and dancing as free as fast and as far as I could away from the clutches of the cult and M.

Today I celebrate and acknowledge everyones differences, for without them I wouldn't have stood a chance on my own to break free. If I had nothing more to rely on than a likeminded warm fuzzy group of similar thinking folks I might as well stay in the cult.

No I am not here to find solice and agreement, I am here now to reclaim my personal freedom and live beyond the pathetic excuse for truth that was spoon fed to me for so many years.

I keep coming back here to hopefully set an example for others to see and relate to if they care to do the same. Whether or not someone likes me and accepts me here is secondary.

I have found intellegent integrity here from many varied and different people and sources and they do not always have to be mirror images of my own realizations to have integrity of purpose and value.

Learning to live with my own restored integrity is not always a comfortable experience, but it is by far the most rewarding, it is a great journey of growth made possible by the path paved before me by others who have already walked it.

I am glad they were different from me, their personalities, their viewpoints, their opinions their communication styles, because all of their differences are what have made the one big difference for me in who I am today.

A better adjusted, more developed much happier and self assured person free from the confines of the cult now living beyond the box formally known as the universe.

Yaaaaah Hoooooo

Brian now living in a brand new box with no cockroaches

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 22:51:46 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: ***A REAL Keeper***
Message:

Hi Brian,

I really liked your post. It is so thought out. Not only is this really important for new people to acknowledge premie differences, but it also serves to remind people who have been synchronized for decades that there is no NEW way to be. Synchronization SUCKS!

I hate group think! I hated it as a premie. And I dispise it as an ex.

If you co-incidentatlly think like others, fine. But it is important for every person to follow their own heart. One has to learn to listen to their own heart, and not to the minds of others.

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 22:47:56 (EST)
From: ChrisP
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: VERY nice post, Brian, thank you (nt)
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 20:34:46 (EST)
From: Anandaji
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Re: Living with our differences
Message:

A wonderful essay, Brian. I especially liked this...

Once I saw that there was something outside of the box, I wasted no time in going for it, embracing freedom wholeheartedly and dancing as free as fast and as far as I could away from the clutches of the cult and M.

It was only back in December I stumbled upon the facts and realizing I was dupped all those years, I want to waste no time in reclaiming my life. It is a mixture of theological confusion, some fear, but increasingly, excitement at what my life will be like as the cult shell breaks away.

Thanks!

Anandaji

P.S. You misspelled intelligent. ;-)

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 17:52:34 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Well said, and heartfelt.
Message:

Fence sitters will be moved and motivated to introspect about their fear and resistance to an awakened life. Real life is a strong teacher, a bracing antidote to magical and sentimental cultish claptrap gumming up one's awareness.

Hallelujah indeed.

Great work, Brian. I hope those who have the 'ears to hear' will hear and think, look closely and feel what their intuition has probably been screaming at them for decades: 'There is infinitely more to life than what I've gotten comfortable 'realizing' about THAT 'thatness''.

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 16:38:33 (EST)
From: Ed
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: The real 'Declaration of Independence' !!!
Message:

Bravo Brian !!! I've never heard it spoken any better. In my opinion, your words are truly a piece of history that will live forever in the life of this ex-premie.
Thank You !

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 15:57:14 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Thanks everyone
Message:

For your responses and your assistance in helping me discern the difference between a toe and a tow.

Brian no longer into kissing toes

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Date: Thurs, Feb 07, 2002 at 10:44:11 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: I totally disagree
Message:

What absolute rubbish you talk Brian!
Just kidding, I just wanted to demonstrate that I don't go with the crowd!!
Did your hackles rise for a moment though?
Great post!
Love Kelly

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:52:44 (EST)
From: OTS
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Excellent Post & Thanks
Message:

Because your posts have assisted me in my exiting, and I look forward to reading them, as well as those from some of my other favorite posters. What a fabulous eclectic bunch.

My only remaining question: Is it TOE the line or TOW the line, I've seen it both ways this morning. [I believe it's the former.] Thanks, Brian.

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:06:39 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Toe the line
Message:

Hi OTS:

It's toe the line. That phrase comes from early pugilism, when two fighters stood in place and duked it out...no moving around like in boxing. After a 30 second break, the two parties would return to center ring and each would have to line up their toes on the line drawn on the floor, hence 'toe' the line.

Hope you're well, OTS.

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 20:13:41 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: Re: Toe the line
Message:

Isn't that M's main job? Sit in a comfy chair, listen to music and toe the darshan line as it goes by. I guess putting it that way, he really does need all those toys.

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 13:30:06 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: Thanks Barbara...
Message:

I was wondering about that too.

I would have thought it was tow the line, as in: '' my car's in a ditch full of wet snow, will ya tow the line so I can this beast on the road? LOL

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 03:05:18 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Just perfect, Brian. Thank you. [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 00:45:14 (EST)
From: Francesca :)
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: BEST of BEST, Brian! (nt) [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Feb 05, 2002 at 23:50:10 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Brian, the best thing you say is . . .
Message:

. . . all of it!

Someone's needed to say that for a long time. I've tried many times to be the mediator or play UN to the sandbox squabbles but you've cut through all of that. It is in recognizing our differences that makes us all the more free.

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Date: Tues, Feb 05, 2002 at 23:39:23 (EST)
From: Steve Mueller
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Best of the Best of the Best! Wow!
Message:

Incredible post, Brian!

Truly magnificent stuff!

Wow!

Your post is by far the greatest proof of the benefits that lie waiting for those patient souls who embrace their exiting process with courage, calmness, compassion, optimism in life's capacity to liberate, and the humility to accept all the blessings that come their way.

Two men looked out from prison bars.
One saw mud, the other saw stars.

Those who want peace, find it. Those who want war, find it.
Truly fortunate indeed are those who want peace.

This is going into my archives for sure so that my heart can bask in the sunshine of its glory anytime it gets weary of the darkness.

Thank you for a magnificent job, Brian.

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Date: Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 03:36:10 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: put it on the masthead!
Message:

I think this ought to be framed on the forum masthead as a sober and honest preface to anyone who may enter, still carrying the cult induced illusion that everything has to be warm fuzzies and zero conflict, going along to get along , and stifling critical dissent for the sake of 'keeping the peace', 'moving on','having That Experience' or just plain escapism.
This, more than anything i ever read here, prepares guests and seekers for what follows, once they enter.

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