Nigel -:- The millennial Master’s amorphous aphorisms -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:18:30 (GMT)

__ such -:- Thank godness 2 Good Samaritans. Hope you r ok!(nt -:- Tues, May 08, 2001 at 06:24:44 (GMT)

__ Mercedes -:- really glad you are okay, thanks. NT -:- Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:33:53 (GMT)

__ PatC -:- juicy post as usual. Hope you are being nursed -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 23:45:43 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- Hmm, well actually.... no comment. (nt ;) -:- Mon, May 07, 2001 at 00:59:48 (GMT)

__ Kev -:- Good post -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 13:54:30 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- 'Saints' as in Soton FC. It happened in Liverpool -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 22:16:15 (GMT)

__ Tim G -:- Hi Nigel -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 08:36:23 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- Thanks Tony/Cynth/Fran/Oafie...Hi Tim! (ot) -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 22:07:25 (GMT)

__ Loaf -:- **BEST*BEST** ! (I am very glad you is ok Nigel)NT -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 03:56:57 (GMT)

__ __ Francesca -:- **BEST*BEST** Ditto -- glad yer OK! n/t -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 04:41:08 (GMT)

__ Tony -:- Excellent post nigel.This raises lots -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:54:41 (GMT)

__ __ Bob -:- Happiness is not a consequence -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:25:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ Nigel -:- Very succinctly put, Bob... -:- Tues, May 08, 2001 at 20:00:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Bob -:- Bobby?... -:- Wed, May 09, 2001 at 13:59:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Hi Nigel, Great Post/Glad you are okay!!n/t -:- Sun, May 06, 2001 at 15:28:55 (GMT)

Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:18:30 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The millennial Master’s amorphous aphorisms
Message:

'The peace you are searching for is inside of you.'
'Happiness is not a consequence'

Lower down I challenged a premie for examples of statements Maharaji has made which held some ‘value’ for him - the very best examples, if possible. The above insights were proffered by way of evidence. Evidence of what, I am not sure; I can discern neither value nor sense in either.

Take 'The peace you are searching for is inside of you.':

This time-honoured yet banal truism appears in scriptures ranging from the Vedas to the Bible (‘for the kingdom of heaven is within you…’ etc.). Variants are glibly rehashed in a zillion new-age self-helps as embodying the Deeper Wisdom. Similar scraps and platitudes are routinely tossed from every millionaire Master’s smorgasbord to the undernourished lapdogs at his silk-stockinged feet. It is simply beyond me how anyone could cite this ‘teaching’ as being M’s own, let alone consider it useful or worthy of special note. For one thing, it presumes I/we/everybody is searching, and personal peace is the objective of our search (wrong on both counts in my case).

And which natural philospher would care to claim authorship anyway? The sentence is meaningless. Whatever your definition of fulfilment or emotional well-being, you are not going to feel it outside of yourself, are you? A bit like ‘the flavour you crave can only be experienced in your olfactory system’. Big fucking deal.

Empty epistle number two ('Happiness is not a consequence') is not only nonsense for anyone who knows a little bit about the psychology or neurochemistry of pleasure and emotion. It is also morally dubious.

It would be one thing to say ‘It is sometimes possible to feel happy for no obvious reason’ (Like motherhood and apple-pie, who would disagree?) and something else entirely to hold that such happy states are not a consequence of anything. Whether one’s own past actions or of simple good fortune. Or that this standalone happiness exists beyond the grubby parameters of cause and effect. This latter belief is an attractive delusion, not least for those whose lives are unhappy or unblessed when first encountering the cult.

This 'happiness is not a consequence' claim is most easily recited when one is free from chronic pain, hunger or bereavement. Easy indeed to preach when one is adequately clothed and sheltered - when one’s existence has a measure of self-determination and freedom from fear, mental illness or Alzheimers. When one enjoys the love of others or can engage in harmonious social interactions - all the routine caring and sharing stuff you need no guju to enjoy. (It probably makes most sense when one is enjoying the consequences of interesting drugs…)

It further implies that although Marge owns a Gulfstream jet plane and a 107-foot yacht – objects which the leisure-loving, unrealised rich might otherwise seek to enhance their personal happiness - the guru may possess these without said possessions affecting his permanent bliss-state one way or the other. (Of course they don’t. Just because you walk like a self-centred, pleasure-seeking playboy and quack like a self-serving, pleasure-seeking playboy, doesn’t ipso facto mean you are pursuing personal pleasure in any size, shape or girly form, does it?)

And then the inevitable corollary of ‘'Happiness is not a consequence' would have to be happiness is unaffected by consequences. Again, of one’s own past actions but also of their consequences for the lives of others. You would be unaffected by any lousy luck which might befall you.

The grim life episodes and sad sagas of too, too many premies and the effects on folk around them are well-documented and require no further elaboration. The same may be said for M’s happiness being supposedly unaffected by his premies’ misfortunes – all too often as a result of their taking his claims and promises literally (pace this website and its ‘Journeys’ section.)

This much at least is true: M’s happiness is surely unaffected by the turbulence stirred up in his wake, be it the children abused by his saints and sadists or the cyclist he killed, and of whose killing he immediately washed his hands.

BTW: I was knocked down by two cars simultaneously and almost salamied whilst cycling home on Wednesday night. Stole a wing mirror from both vehicles. And I’m happy to report I that I wasn't killed, am still in one somewhat cut and bruised piece and that my injuries, though very painful, are relatively minor. Both drivers stopped. Had they not stopped I would hold both in the guru-grade contempt they would otherwise deserve. I am especially grateful to the two other passing drivers who also stopped and noted down all the relevant details, made sure I was going to be ok and who also got me home. These are my idea of ‘saints’ - if the word saint has any meaning outside Southampton.

And I suggest M’s happiness is not merely enhanced by, but is wholly contingent on the lifestyle, real-estate, luxury toys and elaborate guru-support system he has constructed around himself. That his detachment is not saintly but an indifference which reeks of insatiable greed and self-interest. Numerous former PAM’s have testified as much while not one close contact has reported having known M meditate – not even a teensie-weensie little bit to keep his spirits up between tokes...

(And for any premie to assume M’s personal happiness is somehow impervious to financial ruin or social disgrace is to beg the question - at least until one or other apple should happen to fall, God willing…)

Happiness is supposedly not a consequence. Therefore to get happy you need both Knowledge and Master. Go figure..! If you fail to get happy that, presumably, is a consequence – but only of your failure to understand happiness.

This is no Zen riddle or cool paradox. It is a desperately stupid way of thinking and believing.

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Date: Tues, May 08, 2001 at 06:24:44 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Thank godness 2 Good Samaritans. Hope you r ok!(nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Mon, May 07, 2001 at 02:33:53 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: really glad you are okay, thanks. NT
Message:

glad you'r okay

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 23:45:43 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: juicy post as usual. Hope you are being nursed
Message:

back to health by a real Florence Nightingale and get better soon.

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Date: Mon, May 07, 2001 at 00:59:48 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Hmm, well actually.... no comment. (nt ;)
Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 13:54:30 (GMT)
From: Kev
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Good post
Message:

Even when I was a devoted premie I found it hard to get my head around the 'Happiness is not a consequence' thing. Because surely when you did your bit of practise of k the practises in itself was a consequence of your happiness. All was I missing the point somewhere along the line. Just goes to show how easy we can allow ourselves to be fooled.

BTW sorry to hear about your accident hope your ok. I was a cyclist myself for many a year and have been knocked over many a time. SIDSY (Sorry I Didn't See You) is the usual saying. But I doubt if m even had the decency to even say that much before he drove off.

You also say it happened in Southampton. Are we talking Southampton England? If so you may know me. My full name in Kevin Cornell and I come from Portsmouth.

Take care,

Kev.

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 22:16:15 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Kev
Subject: 'Saints' as in Soton FC. It happened in Liverpool
Message:

Hi Kev,

The reference was to Southampton, but only to make a pun out of 'saints'. I live up north these days Funnily enough, though, we might have met - though I am vague about many premie names - I might know you by sight or to give satsang to. I was actually an aspirant and premie on the Isle of Wight (where I grew up) through the superdevotional late seventies/early eighties. I made frequent visits to the Portsmouth community, and depending on when you were involved, we might have known many devotees in common. I remember at least half a dozen who moved from the Posrtsmouth or Southampton communities to the island. If you'd like to email, I'll name all the names...

Cheers,
Nige

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 08:36:23 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Nigel
Subject: Hi Nigel
Message:

Very sorry to hear about your dreadful experience..I hope you recover forthwith.
As to the other 'experience' I think you have cogently laid open the kind of vague crap, masquerading as deep insight, that we willingly swallowed. How could we?
My music/Art website is at long last published and can be found at : www.timgoulding.com

There you can see some vintage photos of Dr Strangely Strange plus some pics of my new band.

All the best
Tim

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 22:07:25 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.uk
To: Tim G
Subject: Thanks Tony/Cynth/Fran/Oafie...Hi Tim! (ot)
Message:

Nice to see you back on the forum, Tim. I haven't forgotten I promised you feedback on your excellent 'Midnight Fry'. Is it enough for now to say that my best pal and I are playing said album even as I type...? And I mean for pleasure, not just for critical review purposes. Luv those ethnic peat-bog hip-hop moments;) Will check out your website forthwith - the Strangely pics should be interesting.

Francesca - I've not forgotten the RT stuff. Hope to get 'em posted this week.

Thanks all for concern over my physical health. Basically I couldn't walk for a couple of days, but am hobbling about my hobbit hole quite well today. Reckon I'll be pretty well back to (oddly) normal in a week or so, By His Disgrace.

Cheers to all you faraway buddies,
Nige

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 03:56:57 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: loafji@yahoo.com
To: Nigel
Subject: **BEST*BEST** ! (I am very glad you is ok Nigel)NT
Message:

Hurrah for the kindness of strangers

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 04:41:08 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: **BEST*BEST** Ditto -- glad yer OK! n/t
Message:

n/t

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:54:41 (GMT)
From: Tony
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Excellent post nigel.This raises lots
Message:

of very interesting points.You have pricked my beliefs in cetain areas.It is interesting how much crap has been brainwashed into a premie over the years.I keep thinking I have gotten rid of most of the shit and thenexes bring up new ways of looking at the whole thing and I realise I have still got lots of layers of sediment still in there>I guess most of my concepts even now are the result of 26 years in the cult.So thanks Nigel for a great post that has undermined some of those concepts.

Cheers Tony

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:25:31 (GMT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Happiness is not a consequence
Message:

For me this is one of the very, very few times that m. actually said something clear about his methods.
It sketches a person artificially uncoupled from the biological stimulus-reward-response cycle of LEARNING.
Everything is irrelevant!
EVERYTHING IS IRRELEVANT !
Instead we bow down humbly. Happiness is a state of being, dependent on the grace.....
No more learning.
Inabiity to make conclusions.
Just trying day in, day out, to get ourselves in tune with 'grace'.
NO MORE LEARNING
INABILITY TO MAKE CONCLUSIONS..

Thats what hooked me....

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Date: Tues, May 08, 2001 at 20:00:20 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: Very succinctly put, Bob...
Message:

..and your remembered premie-think conclusion rings true to me:

EVERYTHING IS IRRELEVANT !
Instead we bow down humbly. Happiness is a state of being, dependent on the grace.....
No more learning.
Inabiity to make conclusions.
Just trying day in, day out, to get ourselves in tune with 'grace'.
NO MORE LEARNING
INABILITY TO MAKE CONCLUSIONS..

Not least the conclusion that M has a gob full of humbug, eh?

(BTW: are you a different 'Bob' from our regular 'Bobby'?
Either way, nice post. Cheers)

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Date: Wed, May 09, 2001 at 13:59:53 (GMT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Bobby?...
Message:

Just joined the forum 2 weeks ago. Sometimes forget to use capital B and once made a typo 'Nob' , but no bobby....

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Date: Sun, May 06, 2001 at 15:28:55 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Hi Nigel, Great Post/Glad you are okay!!n/t
Message:

nt

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