How can Premies justify a 7 million $ yacht?
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Roger eDrek -:- How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht? -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:51:57 (GMT)

__ Janet of Venice -:- How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht? -:- Thurs, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:19:22 (GMT)

__ Pauline Premie -:- How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht? -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 21:33:34 (GMT)

__ Know It All -:- Wrist watch collection -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 18:56:03 (GMT)

__ __ Jean-Michel of Paris -:- about to tell you how he's amassed cheap souvenirs -:- Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:10:32 (GMT)

__ __ i witness -:- Wrist watch collection -:- Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:35:56 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- Tell it to the IRS (nt) -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 19:20:18 (GMT)

__ Elaine -:- How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht? -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 13:29:13 (GMT)

__ suchabanana -:- MAHAMANTRA + 4 simple techniques to enlightenment! -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:31:18 (GMT)

__ Buzz -:- How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht? -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 05:53:14 (GMT)

__ suchabanana -:- 7 million dollar yacht (2000 model) lookee, folks! -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:26:37 (GMT)

__ __ suchabanana -:- corrected address page (2000 model) lookee, folks! -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:35:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Your link doesn't work !! (nt) -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:59:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Janet of Venice -:- Your link doesn't work !! (nt) -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:41:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ JM of Paris -:- No problem through a proxy ! -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 13:30:46 (GMT)

__ steve -:- The wristwatch collection -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:08:48 (GMT)

__ __ Steve -:- If you read the page you'd notice steve... -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 09:56:18 (GMT)

__ TED Farkel -:- Ya think our lord would give ole TED a ride?(nt) -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:59:33 (GMT)

__ gerry -:- Nice One, Rog, Hey shp, you jerk... -:- Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 02:16:44 (GMT)

Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 01:51:57 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Everyone
Subject: How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht?
Message:

I recently saw that Jean-Michel had gotten specific data about Maharaji's 7 million dollar motor yacht, Serenity and I'm wondering just exactly how premies can rationalize this extravagant luxury.

Ok, sure, Maharaji is his own man - a self-made successful private investor, inventor, poet, songwright, painter, educator and motivational speaker - and I have no right asking questions as to how he spends his money. Or do I?

I was a premie for far too long. I gave it up only a few years ago. I was active in financially supporting both the local and the national organization. I attended the touring fund raisers. I received the mass mailings about the money drives for the various airplanes that Maharaji needed to acquire for the purpose of being able to spread his Knowledge and save the world. In the early days I even volunteered at various premie companies. I lived in a premie house where we turned over our paychecks and the money above and beyond our minimal expenses were given to Divine Light Mission.

I was doing all of that giving of myself for the belief that I was helping Maharaji spread his Knowledge and make the world a better, more enlightened place.

I could easily understand why Maharaji might need a superior and more expensive aircraft that has a longer range since Maharaji spends so much of his time travelling to give programs. (Note: This was during the time a few years ago when it appeared that Maharaji was doing a lot of travelling for the purpose of putting on programs. At this point in time it appears that the number of programs has been drastically reduced.) We were told that Maharaji flew such and such hundreds of thousands of miles and how much of his life he sacrificed on behalf of the premies. How could I not fall for this pitch? I didn't and I saw it as my duty to give more money and I increased the amount of money that I sent every month to Elan Vital. And really because the checks were made to Elan Vital it wasn't like I was supporting Maharaji's extravagant playboy expensive wristwatch collecting lifestyle complete with entourage. No, indeed not! There is a separate P.O. Box for money being sent straight to fatso. Thus, there is a clear and discernable delineation between Maharaji and Elan Vital for those desiring not seeing their donations squandered.

Like I said above, I have no right asking Maharaji money if it's his money. But really how much of his Money is his money? Where did all this money come from? I guess if the Donald and Ken DeLaski's and all the other rich guys want to out and out give Maharaji money I should have no valid complaint. Or is there more to the obscene wealth that seemingly belongs to Maharaji than that? And it would appear that from Michael Dettmers' own accounting he ran a Swiss based foundation that took in excess of 100 million dollars in 1982 one has to wonder how much of this money made it to Maharaji and his cohorts and web of shell corporations?

And, as long as I'm on the topic of Swiss based foundations and 100 million dollars in 1982, one year prior to the closing of the ashrams for good, I'm wondering if closing the ashrams and scaling back on the organization overhead wasn't more of a move to reduce expenses and liabilities that would otherwise siphon off hard dollars that could be going directly into Maharaji's shell corporations? Consider if the ashrams were to never close and the ability to attract and retain new younger ashram residents was to permanently decline. Basically, the ashram as used by Maharaji was a pyramid scheme where at some point in the future huge outlays of cash would be required to pay for much neglected and postponed needs of ashram residents - things like clothing, healthcare and even further out in time something called retirement. Instead, I propose the ashrams were viewed as cash cows and the ability to starve the cow to bare subsistence was easily accomplished due to the extreme sacrifice that ashram premies were willing to make just to be a lowly pimple on Maharaji's ass. Add to that the threat of the most unthinkable tragic consequences if anyone ever left the ashram and you've got the perfect slave labor camp.

Damn straight, I have no right asking questions as to how Maharaji spends his money! Why the hell am I saying his money anyway when all these material things like yachts, planes, cars, estates, etc. are not directly owned by Maharaji? Conveniently none of this stuff belongs to him. No taxes are paid. All the privileges and none of the consequences. Yes indeedy, this spark makes whatever it touches perfect and perfect are all those shell corporations.

I digress a wee bit. How can premies justify or rationalize a 7 million dollar motor yacht? Like I said, as a premie I could proudly justify a 25 million dollar corporate aircraft, the same kind Bill Gates had, but had I known about 7 million dollar yacht I could never have rationalized that unless I thought that Maharaji was God. And I did think that. So, what's it gonna be, premies? Is Maharaji God or is he just a teacher or as he says a Master? And why can't the Master sacrifice a little himself once in awhile? In the touring fund raisers the guest speaker from Maharajitown always paint horrific dire pictures of an organization that is going out of business forever in the next two months unless every premie increases their donation. How can this be? Can't Maharaji cut back a little and kick in a few of his own bucks if he really cares so much about saving humanity with his sacred and secret ancient Knowledge?

And what about his damn wristwatch collection? Do those things grow on trees or what? I mean who the fuck has a wristwatch collection? I'll tell ya - somebody with too much fucking money and too much time on their hands. Get a fucking real job, you fucking greedy pig!

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Date: Thurs, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:19:22 (GMT)
From: Janet of Venice
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek and all
Subject: How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht?
Message:

here's some brutally truthful data from a ship owner who is my landlord, and an ex-NASA physicist. I invite any one interested to do the math implied from this, and figure out how much this toyboat is gonna cost the premies AFTER he acquires it!!
to wit, I quote---(((curved parenthetical remarks are mine)))
'normally about 20% down is required to buy a boat, after which you get a loan for the balance at about 10-12%, with a term of 15 years, or 30 years if it is a big loan, over 100k or so. you must have fair credit, and be able to show income that will pay the loan back... usually they require that only 1/3 of your income be devoted to long term expenses, like rent, loan payments, etc.  For instance, if you wanted to buy a 30 ft.-long boat costing $10,000, you would need $2,000 down and a loan of $18,000 - say at 12 % interest for 15 years, or with payments of $216.03 for 15 years. [the 10% payment would be $193.43 and if you could get a 10%/30yr loan, then the payments would be $157.96] -  in order to qualify for the loan, your monthly income would have to be three times your rent,  $500 plus your loan payment, $216.03,  or 3x[$500 + $216.03] = $2148.09 or about $25k a year.

~> In addition to your loan payments, you would have to pay slip fees of about $10/foot per month, and

~>insurance of about $500 a year for a 30ft boat worth $10,000.

~> Add in maintenance,
and operating supplies,
and you get the final figure...

probably around $216 + $300 [slip fee] + $42 [insurance] + $100 [everything else] = $658 a month...

i have assumed a 30 foot boat.

one other thing... most marinas double their slip fees if you live aboard... and most marinas do not allow liveaboards at all...

to sail away into the sunset... you can go to latitude 38 web site and look around for a start... you also might find a desperate seller who you can make a deal with... like $500 down and small monthly payments to pay off the boat... anything is possible...
          
as far as million dollar boats... you must have million dollar incomes to afford them...

the maintenance cost of boats go up as
~~~>>>the cube of the length... so if a million dollar boat was 100 feet long, then roughly 100 x [100/30]**3 = $3699 a month... and those big boats have even more expenses than the little 30 footer .. like fuel
[diesel costs about 1.50 a gallon,
a 100 footer burns about 10 gallons per mile]

crew [30k a year at least... you need at least one for a 100 footer]
(((†...well-- we KNOW the poor schmucks who will get drawn into doing THAT for nothing, just like at DECA))))

and slip fees are much more, since there are few 100 foot slips...
be prepared to spend $10k a month, at least.'

(‡ for a one million dollar boat..do we assume a factor of 7 for a $7M boat??)

someone crunch the numbers for us, and report back to all of us, below this post, please?

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 21:33:34 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht?
Message:

A premie has to have that understanding that the very best this completely lost and confused world has to offer is just barely good enough for Maharaji. I'm surprised and ashamed that he only has a $7,000,000 yacht. I would have thought he would have at least a $10,000,000 yacht, or actually two or three, like he truly deserves. The fact that he has only one yacht and that it is so delapidated is just an indication of the hardships Maharaji has to put up with, and how lacking in the gift of gratitude we are in providing for the Master in such an a disgracefully inadequate fashion. It's not easy being rich, you know. It's actually quite hard, or so Maharaji says.

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 18:56:03 (GMT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Wrist watch collection
Message:

Just how did he amass the wrist watch collection, anyway? I'm sure the phrase 'DARSHAN LINE' doesn't appear anywhere on his resume, website, etc., in connection to this illustrious collection.

KIA

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Date: Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:10:32 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel of Paris
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: about to tell you how he's amassed cheap souvenirs
Message:

Simple: before he comes for a program (or used to ....), usually a few weeks before, the word was passed through 'friends' having 'connections in Malibu' that Rawat wanted that precise watch, usually worth $ 10,000 or more, and the premies would collect the money all over the country to purchase the 'gift'. And such and such person in Paris was in charge of collecting the money and buying the 'gift'.

Imagine he's been asking for that sort of 'gift' in the main places he would visit for a few years .... It's a bit childish in a way: keeping cheap souvenirs from the places you've been visiting!!

I don't remember taking part in that sort of gift. I didn't like it. Heard about it, and been asked to donate, yes.

But I've been part of teams smuggling money to him (to the US), and/or bottles of good cognac (Marnier Lapostolle).

That's all.

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Date: Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:35:56 (GMT)
From: i witness
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Wrist watch collection
Message:

I heard an ashram premie brag about purchasing, I assume using Rawat's money, a $5,000 wrist watch for him. It was clear that it was at Rawat's direct request that he did this, Rawat told him to buy a particular wrist watch. This was while the ashrams were in debt, one reason for which was the money given to DLM and Rawat, and while ashram premies didn't have money to buy basics, like badly needed new underwear.

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 19:20:18 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: Tell it to the IRS (nt)
Message:

hah!

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 13:29:13 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht?
Message:

Just stopped by and that is an excellent post that I'm printing and giving to some premie friends.
Just one of his watches could help ONE premie that has given soo much to buy a working car.( In the least.) Let alone premies sick with no insurance,etc.

And ps Roger - I don't read all of shp's stuff.What I had seen seemed innocuous enough.

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:31:18 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: MAHAMANTRA + 4 simple techniques to enlightenment!
Message:

The MAHAMANTRA:
'...Once you've made your first million, you need another to protect it. Then you have two million, and you'll need another two million to protect those two million. Then you'll have four million and you'll need another four million to protect those four million, and then you'll have eight million. Of course then you'll need another 8 million to protect those eight million and then you'll have 16 million... it isn't easy, it's not what you think.' (- Maharaji at Long Beach '95)

{repeat this mantra 1000 times while looking at Maharaji's picture, to attain virtual enlightenment!!!]

The MAHAMANTRA:
'...Once you've made your first million, you need another to protect it. Then you have two million, and you'll need another two million to protect those two million. Then you'll have four million and you'll need another four million to protect those four million, and then you'll have eight million. Of course then you'll need another 8 million to protect those eight million and then you'll have 16 million... it isn't easy, it's not what you think.'
'...Once you've made your first million, you need another to protect it. Then you have two million, and you'll need another two million to protect those two million. Then you'll have four million and you'll need another four million to protect those four million, and then you'll have eight million. Of course then you'll need another 8 million to protect those eight million and then you'll have 16 million... it isn't easy, it's not what you think.'
'...Once you've made your first million, you need another to protect it. Then you have two million, and you'll need another two million to protect those two million. Then you'll have four million and you'll need another four million to protect those four million, and then you'll have eight million. Of course then you'll need another 8 million to protect those eight million and then you'll have 16 million... it isn't easy, it's not what you think...' etc.
KEEP GOING 1000X:
HAVE YOU ATTAINED ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH, YET?

Yes? Welcome to the Light!

No? Continue repeating the Mahamantra, little grasshopper.
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THE 4 SIMPLE TECHNIQUES FOR TRUE BELIEVERS:
Concentrate on the photo of the featured 112-foot $7.5 million-dollar Westport motor yacht with pilothouse on the westportyachtsales.com site (go to >yacht brokerage: featured vessels: Westport Shipyard) as you repeat any (or all) of the following simple mantras 10,000 times:

Techniques #1-4:
1) mantra: 'It isn't easy; it's not what you think. It isn't easy; it's not what you think. It isn't easy; it's not what you think,' etc.

[Instructions: Focus your Sight on the visual image of the yacht, and silently repeat this mantra, as you gradually gain the hidden deeper meaning of the mantra]

2) mantra: 'The message remains the same, the message remains the same, the message remains the same, the message remains the same' etc.

[Instructions: as you gaze intently at the picture of the yacht, Listen to the mantra words carefully -- to reveal the hidden deeper meaning of the timeless message behind the mantra. Other images or thoughts may arise in the mind: like 'Rolls Royce', 'Aston Martin', 'mansions', 'millions', 'smuggler', 'jets', 'Bijan', 'Armani', or 'Rolex' etc. Allow these thoughts to pass through undisturbed; they are simply material illusions or mental impressions [samsaras], but they also represent steps on the path of your increasing realization. When the hidden enduring resounding message which 'remains the same' finally becomes clear, then you have attained a new level of enlightenment.]

3) mantra: 'The giver and the gift, the giver and the gift, the giver and the gift, the giver and the gift', etc.

[Instructions: As you gaze at the yacht and silently repeat the mantra, Feel a Vibration literally emanating in your abdomen, as your consciousness relates the yacht with this mantra]

4) mantra: 'sucker, sucker, sucker, sucker, sucker, sucker, sucker, sucker,sucker', etc.

{Instructions: Gazing at the yacht, mentally repeat this mantra, and using an ancient hatha yoga technique, Suck your tongue backwards in your throat -- to accentuate the deeper symbolic effect of the mantra]

After enlightenment on the revelation of the evident materialized truths here, then for your own peace of mind (and personal health and self-preservation), without judgment of any individual who comes to mind, quickly plunge into deep meditation [for at least an hour] on the universal life energy within you: the real gift, the energy and Light and Breath you were graced with and born with, that is yours in this life -- and which is no other human being's property or monopoly to hoard -- using any effective inner technique(s) you please. Who/what gave us the Gift of Life? The true giver and the gift!

Peace, to all brothers and sisters, to all who have suffered and endured for the sake of liberating Truth. Slavery is hereby abolished!!! To thine own self be true -- and the truth shall set you free! Rejoice, oh ye daughters and sons of the living infinite universal energy! Know ye not -- ye are ALL the sons and daughters of that eternal and infinite energy. Rejoice and breathe -- Free, Free, Free at last...
Peace, Love, and Light forever...

from a common servant and child of the giver of life

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 05:53:14 (GMT)
From: Buzz
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: How can premies justify a 7 million dollar yacht?
Message:

His extravagance is disgusting.What a fucking example!!

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:26:37 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek et al
Subject: 7 million dollar yacht (2000 model) lookee, folks!
Message:

'IT ISN'T EASY; IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK!' - Maharaji at Long Beach '95

Copy this web address, then paste to Address, then GO!

http://webtools.bucnet.com/templates/viewfeatured_sksg.cfm?CFID=104957&CFTOKEN=63064873

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
'You know some people don't like rich people. They have this idea or that idea of what it is to be rich. But they really don't know. It's not easy to be rich. It isn't. Once you've made your first million, you need another to protect it. Then you have two million, and you'll need another two million to protect those two million. Then you'll have four million and you'll need another four million to protect those four million, and then you'll have eight million. Of course then you'll need another 8 million to protect those eight million and then you'll have 16 million... it isn't easy, it's not what you think.'
-- Maharaji speaking at Long Beach, December 1995

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

THE GIVER AND THE GIFT: THE MESSAGE REMAINS THE SAME
'If Guru Maharaj Ji tells us to go to hell, let us go there cheerfully, without any hesitation, for He has the power which can convert hell into heaven. Therefore, my blessed brothers and sisters, obey Guru Maharaj Ji implicitly, serve Him wholeheartedly and love Him for the sake of love alone. Ask nothing, want nothing in return, just devotion. Devote to Him what you have to devote. It will come back multiplied a millionfold, but do not think of that now. Remember! Guru Maharaj Ji is not hungry of our possessions. He is always selfcontented, perfect in His Divinity, His Knowledge is infinite in its application. His soul is the foundation of immortal bliss. What He wants from us is only pure love and devotion, and really He is the only source of love and devotion. We poor people have got nothing but hatred, jealousy, envy, pride and so on. Truly, He loves the whole world selflessly.' -- Charanand article, 1972

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Was I out of the loop on the Westport Yacht Project, or what? But, I think I understand. I mean, you know, when the aviation fuel gets too expensive, or the FAA bans another polluting plane (like the 707 - garage sale, anyone?), the Lord might need that funky little 106-foot dinghy to get around -- also, to relax, because it must be awful hard sometimes being Lord of the entire Universe. That's a big job, after all. By the way, what about the suffering in Rwanda, Kosovo, Ethiopia, etc.? Don't ask, don't tell -- Right, I mean, 'if you feed those people today, they'll just be hungry again tomorrow', right? Well, you obviously know what you're talking about, sir...

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And you know, 'the guy driving the Lincoln, well he's had money a long long time, but now, the Mercedes -- 'the practical man',' right? But then, I wouldn't know... 'cause we were all bozos on that old VW bus! But, I'm really looking forward to that first million, so I can have the second million to protect the first million, and then the four million to protect the two million, and so forth... Wow, that Maya sure looks nice -- ain't it sweet?!!

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yep, I had the honor of polishing that green Rolls Royce with the Hans license plate. Why is it that M., Sai Baba, and the late Rajneesh (Osho) have all favored the most expensive cars in the world? Because they can... They're beyond the Maya [illusion of the material world], right? I mean, after you have one Rolls Royce, then you need an Aston Martin, and then you need a Mercedes, and then you need a Lamborghini, and then you need a G-4 jet, right, to keep up with Bill Gates and the Emir of Dubai. Only the best will do!

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

To provide the lifestyle worthy of the living Lord of the Universe, there must be Devotion [sic 'gratitude' and 'appreciation'] by the premies ['students'] to the Guru ['Master'].

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Oh, please forgive us, for our tormented thoughts... 'GURU MAHARAJ JI IS NOT HUNGRY OF OUR POSSESSIONS'

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Never leave room for doubt -- doubts about M., or doubt in our own selves, our own intuition, our own innate intelligence, and in our own mutual Creator?

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Really now: If someone comes along and shows us something that's already there within us, is it theirs, or their gift? No. Perhaps their showing us might be a gift -- but only if there are absolutely NO strings attached. Now there's the rub, folks. A gift is not a gift, if there are strings attached. repeat: A GIFT IS NOT A GIFT, IF THERE ARE STRINGS ATTACHED.

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I clearly remember mahatma [instructor] Fakiranand saying (at my knowledge session), 'If you have millions, give millions.' Who instructed the mahatmas and instructors to direct money, gifts and devotion to M., in return for the Knowledge?

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Yeah, 'THE MESSAGE REMAINS THE SAME': 'If you have millions, give millions.'

'IT ISN'T EASY,IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Duh! We've been had...

Peace, my Brothers and Sisters

 

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:35:37 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: corrected address page (2000 model) lookee, folks!
Message:

http://webtools.bucnet.com/display/frdisplayforsale.cfm?seq=4&view=featured&CFID=104966&CFTOKEN=20394611

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 07:59:41 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Your link doesn't work !! (nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 10:41:54 (GMT)
From: Janet of Venice
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Your link doesn't work !! (nt)
Message:

I have this keen sense that EV people watch this forum and use all the conniving powers they have honed, to block us from reaching all the links we post here that would take us to things they dont want us to know. notice how someone said they could get to the page from elsewhere but not from here? if the link doesnt work from here, ccp it into your cache and then go surfing to unrelated sites and then jump from there. or handwrite the URL down, power off to empty your browser history, come back on and try to go there again. if you're still blocked,try from either a proxy, to conceal your cookies, if their site has tagged you as forbidden to enter, or from the library, or a cybercafe, or a friends pc who isnt into this stuff. it is possible the EV gestapo have alerted these various sites to wanting access blocked from right here. and anyone who tries the links from right here carries the traces with them that they came from here, plus their remote address in cookie so the site will recognize them in the future no matter where they come in from. the only way to foil that sniffer is to come in on some other remote address like the library or school or a cafe, unconnected with your home terminal.

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 13:30:46 (GMT)
From: JM of Paris
Email: None
To: Janet of Venice
Subject: No problem through a proxy !
Message:

That's odd.

I don't believe that company would block some visitors only .....

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 04:08:48 (GMT)
From: steve
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: The wristwatch collection
Message:

The wristwatch collection is so he'll get used to wearing tight handcuffs for a long time.

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 09:56:18 (GMT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: steve
Subject: If you read the page you'd notice steve...
Message:

that I've already posted many times as Steve. This could get confusing. Either you could put an initial after your name or I could?

Steve Mulley.

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 03:59:33 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Ya think our lord would give ole TED a ride?(nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 02:16:44 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Nice One, Rog, Hey shp, you jerk...
Message:

How do YOU justify goober's

SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR YACHT ???

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