Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 02:38:43 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Compassion or condemnation? Message:

Hey Marianne That was a great post. You have said it so succinctly and yet with such passion. I came over here to lurk a bit, and read yours first thing. Thanks so much for posting it. Helen

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 21:53:28 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Great Marianne....to Website Admin? Message:

I think Marianne's post might be an excellent introduction to the website. I think it is a good summation of what many of us feel, and the conclusions we have reached, so far, based on what has been discussed and disclosed on this website over the past 3 years. What do you think? It might make a good addition to that slightly dated, monkey-hand-in-the-jar explanation. I mean, that's good, but Marianne is talking about the concrete stuff, and she says it very clearly. I would add just one thing to what Marianne wrote. As to Maharaji's responsbility, one reason that I think he isn't just a victim of his bizarre upbringing and being surrounded by sychophants, is that he is now 42 and has had ample time to realize that he not only isn't divine, that he is, in fact, quite limited, and that his main priorities are, in fact, his own wealth and lifestyle. I think it's just logical that he would have realized that by now, even if he didn't realize it 25 years ago. Also, he has taken actions/made changes, that indicate to me that he understands that what he did in the 70s and 80s was outrageous, at least in hindsight, because if he didn't think so, he wouldn't have toned things down. His own actions are indications that he is quite aware of the things he has done, that they were wrong, but he just refuses to acknowledge that.

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 07:58:23 (GMT) From: Website Admin Email: None To: Joe Subject: Great idea, would you help? Message:

I can't just take the whole post and copy it on the introduction page. Would you edit it so that it fits there? Jean-Michel

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 22:32:50 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Website Admin Subject: Bad idea, the whole thing needs a rewrite. An edit Message:

is not called for. It needs rewriting. Tailored for its new purpose.

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 22:42:05 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: bill Subject: I was thinking this too bill Message:

There are only a few paragraphs that do not reference Michael directly or Marianne. And those paragraphs are very good. But an intro should not contain any one or two individuals history or perpective IMO. btw having now been a couch critic I'll help if anyone wants.

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 22:49:04 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Selene Subject: selene ot Message:

did you see anonomousie? I kind of wrote that for you.

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 23:02:09 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: bill Subject: I'm confused Message:

You were anonomousie or you wrote the post about anonomousie for me? I did read it. I wanted to respond but it was so powerful and I was not sure if I was being attacked or supported :)

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Date: Thurs, Oct 26, 2000 at 12:04:46 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Selene Subject: I'm Message:

Jim wrote from his computer under the name anonomousie. He was funny and brought that character to life. He announced he had kicked her off his computer and out of his house. She was his housekeeper. I dusted her off and gave her life again. I would use her to razz Jim and make him laugh. I thought the post was in support of your conversation to Jim and also I poked fun at him about ther complaints he had gotten (the Nigel post ect). Maybe the post was not so good. I did think it was at the time. Maybe his humor side is not receptive to a roast.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 26, 2000 at 16:54:23 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: bill Subject: the post was good Message:

I just didn't get it :)

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 22:40:10 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: bill Subject: People come to the door of the website and if we.. Message:

greet them with a condemnation post with an abridged version of the reasons why, what help are we doing them? They have to slowly review the evidence and adjust to the shock to thier system that ANYONE would criticise someone whom they had previously only heard good things about.

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 22:45:37 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: bill Subject: If Mike Dettmers makes a comprehensive factual Message:

report on rawat, and leaves the condemnation or compassion to the reader to indulge in based on thier capacity to adjust to the new info, that would be ideal. Nothing against your post, but preaching to the choir is one thing and talking to the the new visitor is another.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 26, 2000 at 05:10:16 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: bill Subject: No offense taken Message:

bill: I have no problem with any of the comments in this regard. Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Oct 26, 2000 at 12:08:43 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Marianne Subject: No offense taken Message:

I really respect you and hope my late night commments didnt get out of line. Im just going to hope and assume that I wasnt disrespectful or anything like that. Glad you spoke to let me off the hook of concern!

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 17:34:02 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Website Admin Subject: Sure, I'll work with Marianne....(nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 16:09:31 (GMT) From: TD Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Brilliant Marianne - thanks v.m. (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 12:51:40 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Thanks, Marianne. Jean-Michel - BEST OF FORUM? nt Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 13:33:58 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Katie Subject: Definitely ***** Best of Forum ***** rated Message:

but I wait until the archive page is available. That saves me lots of trouble for the page's layout!

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 15:42:03 (GMT) From: Happy Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Definitely ***** Best of Forum ***** rated Message:

Marianne, Wonderful post. Thanks.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:53:24 (GMT) From: DeProGram Anand Ji Email: not given To: Marianne Subject: Compassion or condemnation? Message:

I have mixed fieelings about this subject condemnation or compassion. None of really know what it must be like to have the kind of absolute power Maharaj Ji has or how difficult it must be for him to make the decision to give that kind of power up? I have to ask myself in all fairness how many of us really think that we would willingly give up all that kind of wealth and power if we were in Maharaj Ji's shoes. Sadly, knowing what I think I do know about human nature, I sincerely doubt that any of us of us actually would be able to make that kind of a sacrifice. Remember the old saying ' all power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.' I believe that applies in this case. I am not advocating excusing his self-centered behavior or letting M off the hook as far making a direct amends to those people he has harmed. I do however think that Michael offers us a valid insight when he reminds us that M was groomed for this position from a young age. This really and truly was the Rawats Family Business playing God. He does not know anything about working for a living, having to earn money ect. The prospect of looseing the geese that lay the golden eggs must be very threatening to him. So no wonder he resists it he is afraid he might have to grow up and become a man. For someone who has never had to lift a finger his whole life the prospect of having to do that is not very attractive. Aint it a bitch being rich?

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 00:13:30 (GMT) From: Interesting DPGAJ Email: None To: DeProGram Anand Ji Subject: Compassion or condemnation? Message:

Had to look this up but I think it is apropos: Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. Carl Gustav Jung

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 00:33:48 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Interesting DPGAJ Subject: I feel quite liberated, thank you Message:

In this case, I feel quite liberated by condemning someone who oppresses others. Easy to disagree when you're posting anonymously, premie whoeveryouare. Marianne

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 18:12:50 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: DeProGram Anand Ji Subject: was it Dante's Inferno? Message:

Paradise Lost? If God and the Devil had to exchange places each would assume each other's role I agree to a point. but I'm not there so I can only speculate and that is something I hate really is hypothetical thinking. It has it's place of course. so, I would NOT hold on. I'd invest cut some losses, get out of dodge maybe got to Australia and GIVE IT UP. I cannot imagine why M holds on. That is the one most baffling aspect of this whole bizarre play is why he continues. Greed? oh oh. He isn't really God is he? no never mind I'm just still disoriented from the rain.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 17:00:09 (GMT) From: carol Email: None To: DeProGram Anand Ji Subject: Higher up the ladder/harder the fall Message:

Didn't M use that in satsang once during the 'fear' period?

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 14:59:15 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: DeProGram Anand Ji Subject: Oh please, gag me with a spoon, dude Message:

Jesus F christ I could get through about three sentences of this pablum before I hurled all over my keyboard.   give me a fucking break, programmed anandgee

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:18:59 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Marianne Subject: Marianne, obviously you haven't seen this yet Message:

Dead Man Walking - the Sold Out World Premiere Opera at the San Francisco Opera. I swear to god that after you see this opera with John Travolta putting song and dance to the Sean Penn role you will embrace, endorse and subscribe to the death penalty in any form or fashion regardless of the cruelty. Just when you thought it was safe to go to the opera again they had to do Dead Man Walking. What was Andrew Lloyd Webber thinking? And it's all in Italian! Am I off the main topic here? Nevermind... Since I really don't want this to be about me I'm going to keep it short and sweet. Earlier today without fanfare or notice I removed from Roger's House of Maharaji Drek all references to Michael Dettmers. And I would like to extend my apologies, respect, and appreciation to Michael Dettmers for his contributions to the Forum of Ex-Premies.

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:58:50 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: Roger eDrek and friends Subject: remember-Travolta is a top “$”cientologist Message:

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 22:00:22 (GMT) From: Ana T Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Thanks Roger and a sub-note to Michael Message:

Thanks Roger... (for removing the Michael Dettmers references) And to Michael... sorry about all that back then ... in my quest for Nellie's watch. One would think the former Lord of the Universe would simply have answered my query as to where the jewelry went so I and prevented a prolonged OCD search on coporate shenanigans. I'm through with that now. Ana T

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 13:16:40 (GMT) From: Michael Dettmers Email: dettmers@gylanix.com To: Roger eDrek Subject: Marianne, obviously you haven't seen this yet Message:

Thank you Roger.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 20:26:56 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Michael Dettmers Subject: You are quite welcome. (nt) Message:

asdf

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:26:53 (GMT) From: Tonette Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Why Roger? Message:

Why remove what was? Why remove the referance? It's what happened. A part of the history.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:26:51 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Tonette Subject: Why Roger? Message:

I have spent a lot of time thinking about what to do with the 'information' that I had collected and presented about Michael Dettmers. And in lieu of having enough time and energy to edit the expose down to meaningful facts that could be substantiated I opted to simply remove the links from the referring pages. One of the problems we have as ex-premies with no real resources other than Search Engines on the Internet is the absence of solid information on Maharaji, Elan Vital, and any of the ancillary players. In fact, as time marches on we can barely put together a history of places and dates of programs. I remember a time when I could vividly recall every program I ever attended - what year, what city, what Maharaji wore, what the stage looked like. And now I don't have a clue. I suppose I have forgotten because ever since I left the shelter of the ashram I have fallen back into the 'Drug Culture' and I can barely tie my own shoes now. But, I digress. Now, that Michael Dettmers has presented his side of the story I see that much of my story might not have been factually correct and might, in fact, have been mean spirited by attacking someone I did not know nor was I expecting to ever know any better than a 'notorious' figure from the past. It appears to me that Michael Dettmers is a decent human being and a good person regardless of his involvement at whatever level of Maharaji's organization he was engaged at. I know that for myself I would have only been overjoyed had I the same opportunity to 'serve' Maharaji in such a capacity. And, a few times I did have minor opportunities up close with Maharaji and they were enjoyable. Please remember what the mindset was back then - most of us would do just about anything for Maharaji. Little white lies, expediting cash to avoid excessive taxation so that it could be given to Maharaji. And I am not saying that Michael Dettmers did anything illegal. As Michael pointed out that everyone was very, very careful not to do anything illegal that would reflect poorly on Maharaji. And you do not need to do anything illegal to play games with money. No, it's all codified. All you need is a good specialist. Finally, anybody who had the least bit of involvement at all within the organization understood the importance of the paramount mission to please Maharaji. And while Michael Dettmers said that early on he saw that Maharaji was not as divine as the masses were led to believe, well, I think that anyone who stuck around well into the 90's like myself heard more and more special stories and saw Maharaji more and more to be like a regular human being. However, Maharaji still had something to offer whatever that was, be it a convincing stage show or an evening of introspective poetry. Also, it's no big surprise to me that Maharaji smoked grass. I know that we've heard it here from Michael Donner and I'm pretty sure that I heard about it when I lived in Denver as early as the mid 70's. And I am concerned that Roger eDrek will be accused of preferential revisionism by removing the information on Michael Dettmers, but, again, I have to honestly say that the newer information that we have received from Michael has supplanted my earlier speculation, which I now consider to be cruel and inaccurate.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 14:32:29 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: thanks Roger Message:

I respect what you are doing and saying here. I have found the forum pretty intense lately! A lot going on. Take care, Susan

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:31:58 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Why Roger? Message:

you mean you changed your mind?

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:35:27 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Selene Subject: Why Roger? Message:

I'm easy. There's very little I cannot change my mind about. Hell, one day I might even take down the entire House of Drek down (well, I'll leave Chronicles of the Red Nighty) if Maharaji comes clean. Most people are redeemable. At least I hope so for my own sake.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:37:15 (GMT) From: Know It All Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Redemption Message:

Yes, Rawat could obtain redemption (that stuff he said he was giving us) if he gave the Jagdeo victims about $100,000 each. And an apology. KIA

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:49:01 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Know It All and Roger Subject: Redemption Message:

Changing is part of life. Even Jugdie if he comes clean and makes amends. I cannot imagine how he could make amends but he could try at least. A friggin start would be for EV to recognize it happened. and I can't speak for any of the other writers but I kinda cringe when I see the stuff I wrote for CORN. It was experimental. and straight from the heart. eessshhh!!!! of all thing!! So do what you will with it. unless I catch you making money from it then you'd better give me some. as if :)

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:54:00 (GMT) From: Know It All Email: None To: Selene Subject: Selene: the Movie - OT Message:

I heard that eDrek is negotiating a major motion picture with your name in the title, based on everything in CORN! KIA

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:55:11 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Know It All Subject: of course he is!!! after all don't forget Message:

It's All About Me. Don't hate me because I am popular.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 06:02:27 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Selene Subject: I've got Kate Winslett and Leonardo D. signed up Message:

Oh, it's gonna be goo-oooooood! Kate will be Lena, of course. And Leonardo will be Red. It's perfect. Instead of 'Top of the World, Ma' (I never did see Titanic) it will be 'Bhole Shri SatGuruDev Ki Jai!' The 'film' will end just like Titanic and everybody drowns and gets eaten by huge man-eating sharks when the MegaYacht sinks after arrogant and drunken Captain Rawat heads below to his cabin to sleep it off and he hands the helm over to an inexperienced, but very blissed out premie named Gerry.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 06:43:52 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: I've got Kate Winslett and Leonardo D. signed up Message:

Roger: Speaking of which, on my 13 hour flight back from Australia in 1998 they showed Titanic. I thought that was extraordinarily bad taste. --Scott

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 17:29:28 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: that is awful! Message:

That would have made me wonder about the entire crew. What a stupid thing to do. One flight back east they showed some movie, can't remember the name, about a meteor crashing into earth and I thought that was pretty bad taste as well.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 06:06:44 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: well, ok Message:

and I never saw Titanic. I refused to. yuck. although I am guilty of like American Beauty. oh well. but the M image of the mad captain fits. I always saw him in the Jules Verne (sp) of 20K Under. ha. Takes on new meaning doesn't it?

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 17:14:07 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: FA Subject: FA - missing words? Message:

Not that I care about the above post I made but I do remember at least 5 words that were there when I hit submit that didn't make it to the post. I know I'm terrible about not proofing my writing here but I am fairly certain about having 'the role of Captain Nemo' before the Jules Verne reference. No biggie I just thought I would mention it because a few others have brought this up before.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:57:17 (GMT) From: Know It All Email: None To: Selene Subject: of course he is!!! OT Message:

Were you a fucking cheerleader, Selene? KIA

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 06:00:30 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Know It All Subject: no not me Message:

OK. enough. It's Not About Me after all. time to put one of those fake logs on the fireplace. It's cold. 57 or something!! bye = I am NOT gonna talk about my past after babysitting a2 year old for 2 days I don't have to. No that is not logical and I do not care. and I was NEVER a cheerleader ever.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 14:38:11 (GMT) From: Jenn Email: None To: Selene Subject: well, I was a cheerleader...ot Message:

and I loved it. Popularity, boys... In reality we sat home of friday nights listening to Janis Ian-ha! But we did get to wear short skirts. See, cheerleaders can be naughty, too! :) Just kidding. Did the two year old go home yet? Jenn

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Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 00:01:47 (GMT) From: a0aji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: Jenn Subject: well, I was a cheerleader...ot Message:

Spartans? :)

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 15:39:43 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Jenn Subject: well, I was a cheerleader...oops Message:

Sorry Jenn. Janis Ian? Really? I wasn't watching him last night, I had been for the last couple days though.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 06:03:32 (GMT) From: KIA Email: None To: Selene Subject: Thank Goddess! Nt Message:

xxxxx

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 05:47:54 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Know It All Subject: Redemption = Selling a Yacht or a Plane Message:

Yes, there are far too many real victims that need real help more than Maharaji needs another 106 foot yacht or $25 million dollar corporate jet. I do believe that Maharaji at this very moment is lacking Gulfstream's latest offering. I'm sure he would like to have it, too.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 03:50:20 (GMT) From: Tonette Email: None To: Marianne Subject: I liked that Message:

First of all although I like Michael's posts, I don't think Michael has really come clean with what he said, when he said it, how he said it, or why he said it, even when Michael knew the whole spiritual trip was a sham. Michael was Mahahraji's right hand man. Michael perpertuated many of the myths and fallacies about Maharaji that we all endured. Michael is, in large part, due credit for where Maharaji is today. Rich and untouchable. Michael helped build Maharaji's wealth/empire. Any yet Michael is beyound reproach. He is in no way accountable or responsible. For any of it! Yeah right. Michael is partly accountable for why this forum exists. He directly helped damage the people one finds here. On this forum one sees many types of people; damaged as in psychologically and emmotionally, confused, hurt people trying to make sense of the ultimate mind fuck, spiritually robbed, and angry to name a few atributes of this forum. Did I miss something? What about the Nuremburgh trials, Watergate, Being charged as an accessory? Is Michael so sweet and innocent? Is he not at all responsible? Is there no accountability on Michael's part? What about having Michael and Maharaji help pay for Steven Quint's hospitalization? How about restitution to some of the families who lost love ones thru Maharaji's cult? Michael was a CEO after all. If I were Michael I would definately be here trying to smooth over what I had done. Has he really helped brought Maharaji to justice? Would he divulge damaging information about Maharaji, Maharaji's cult, and Michaels part in it without a court order? But there are those after all......court orders

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 06:18:21 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: Tonette Subject: It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood... Message:

Tonette: I think Michael has already stated that he regrets his part in Maharaji's little venture. I'm not sure what more one can do, other than what he's doing now. Do you hold Bob Mishler equally accountable? Did you blow raspberriess at Fred Rogers when he said 'Wontcha be my neighbor?' --Scott

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 14:34:02 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: :) Scott love your posts lately! (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 19:16:10 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: Susan Subject: :) Scott love your posts lately! (nt) Message:

Susan: Thanks. I seem to be finding my own voice after having been overshadowed by some luminaries in a PhD program for a number of years. I'm currently writing some article proposals and thinking seriously about a book proposal, so my brain cells are also undergoing some creative drill instruction. The electoral mess has really grabbed my attention too. A lot of talk about the voters having lost faith in politicians, but I'm thinking there's a case to be made that politicians have lost faith in the voters too. --Scott

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 19:41:05 (GMT) From: a0aji Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: :) Scott love your posts lately! (yes text) Message:

Your thinking is good. Continue.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 21:05:48 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: a0aji Subject: Don't call us Shirley. Message:

a0aji: I've heard from a number of people who feel that the primary reason we don't yet have universal national health care in this country is that politicians have been dissuaded by the big money of the insurance industry. The fact is that there's plenty of support for universal health care in the legislature. (I have the NPAT surveys to prove it.) The reason it's not being proposed is that these legislators *believe* that voters will punish them should they make any proposal that enhances the power of government, or that moves in any direction very quickly. While voters indicate around 70% support for a Canadian style healthcare system, this support is a mile wide and an inch deep. So, basically, these legislators have made an accurate assessment of the situation. There appear to be very few legislators of sufficient calibre to turn the tables and 'elect' their constituency (since Pat Moynihan is retiring). There is no 'perfect' democracy that will allow an electorate composed of children to sustain effective and fair government while maintaining a set of inconsistent demands. No finance reform or electoral reform will 'solve' the problem, because it is improperly defined as a wrongful distribution of power. The distribution of power is, rather, a *result* of the level and distribution of wisdom, which is not so much a matter of education as undisciplined expectations, or perhaps a lack of discursive depth. We are looking for the wrong kind of leader, and the wrong sort of reform. We are at an impasse that won't be relieved until we begin to address the problem appropriately. Although I hate to admit it the same may be true with regard to this infection of shoddy religious leaders. If you have a population that expects to be 'cared for' then they will find leaders who at least appear to fulfill their expectations, and there will be plenty of leaders willing to exploit the situation. This isn't to say that we don't need leadership, because leaders can help to clarify an otherwise incoherent situation. But we've got to change our standards and expectations. We should suppress the fiction that we're independent agents in the universe, while recognizing that 'getting along' is a lot more difficult than it seems. There is no magical leadership that can relieve us of the responsibilities of acting consistently on these insights. In the mean time we probably need to focus on establishing the right institutions, rather than the correct statutes, laws, and porcedures. And these institutions need to be on a 'human scale,' regardless of their purity of principle. So, I have a $10,000 bill in my pocket. Does anyone have bus change? --Scott

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 21:17:37 (GMT) From: a0aji Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: hehe -nt- (was: Don't call us Shirley.) Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 04:17:21 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Tonette Subject: I liked that Message:

tonette, You are just going to have to go through the inactive index and the recent archives and review the M Dettmers posts your self.

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 03:25:06 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Right on the money, Marianne -- literally (nt) Message:

ffffff

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 03:22:42 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Marianne Subject: eloquent, incredible Marianne (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Oct 24, 2000 at 03:10:05 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Definitely Condemnation Message:

Wow Marianne, Really. Everything you said so well and with so much passion hits me right in the heart. I condemn him too. No doubts about that. Thank you so much, Cynthia

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