OTS -:- What I did on my trip to India in 1972 -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 16:31:12 (EST)

__ housemum -:- memory avalanche -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 12:47:30 (EST)

__ Carl -:- Random memories of 1972 India trip -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 11:07:08 (EST)

__ __ Dermot -:- Ha! -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 16:44:49 (EST)

__ __ Joe -:- You are a great writer, Carl -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 15:11:38 (EST)

__ __ PatC -:- Great story, Carl, but link doesn't work [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 13:55:42 (EST)

__ __ __ Carl -:- Sorry folks, there is no link -:- Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 16:38:46 (EST)

__ __ __ Marshall -:- It works for me, Pat. (nt) -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 18:16:39 (EST)

__ __ __ __ PatC -:- You're kidding me, Marshall???!! -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 19:37:26 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Marshall -:- Re: You're kidding me, Marshall???!! -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 20:41:17 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Hallucinating, Marshall? -:- Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:18:17 (EST)

__ Sulla -:- Re: How much $$$$? -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:17:12 (EST)

__ __ livia -:- Re: How much $$$$? -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:38:52 (EST)

__ Jim -:- Sorry I missed it -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:29:21 (EST)

__ AJW -:- You should have popped down to Goa. -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:03:36 (EST)

__ __ Pullaver -:- Re: You should have popped down to Goa. -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 09:26:25 (EST)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Memory lane. -:- Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 15:27:50 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Pullaver -:- Kingfishers all 'round . . . -:- Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 01:18:00 (EST)

__ __ __ cq -:- Re: You should have popped down to Goa. -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:11:09 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Rajneesh?...oot of the frying pan into... :) [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 17:23:39 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Pullaver -:- Re: You should have popped down to Goa. -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 11:29:11 (EST)

__ PatC -:- 11:00 P.M. Meditation on a stick. LOL, OTS -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:08:33 (EST)

__ suchabanana -:- i.e. amoebic dysentery's got me on da run! [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:42:04 (EST)

__ Dermot -:- You're all coming out of the woodwork -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 21:49:12 (EST)

__ __ suchabanana -:- yeah, talk about a shitty vacation! [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:44:39 (EST)

__ PatD -:- Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972 -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 21:25:17 (EST)

__ __ PatC -:- The longest turd? This whole thread ***BEST OF*** [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:16:37 (EST)

__ housemum -:- staten island?? -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 20:05:48 (EST)

__ __ Dermot -:- All those Gurus -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 21:54:06 (EST)

__ __ __ housemum -:- Re: All those Gurus -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 23:16:32 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Dermot -:- All those Gurus... :) [nt] -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 23:28:38 (EST)

__ Richard -:- Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972 -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:42:28 (EST)

__ __ Jim -:- Hey, Richard, are you in town? -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:36:14 (EST)

__ __ __ Richard -:- Jim, check your voice mail. -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 14:12:51 (EST)

__ __ PatC -:- Too trippy: vision of a cheesebuger with wings -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:27:45 (EST)

__ livia -:- Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972 -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 17:32:38 (EST)

__ housemum -:- Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972 -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 16:39:54 (EST)

__ __ Peg...Thanks OTS,Pat, Richard,Hmum&all -:- I also thought I'd missed out! [nt] -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:52:55 (EST)

__ __ Monty -:- Luxury -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 17:56:38 (EST)

__ __ __ janet -:- except theirs is true and yours isnt -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:05:04 (EST)

__ __ __ gerry -:- Effective technique -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:05:45 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Marshall -:- Re: Effective technique -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:25:26 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Effective technique -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:34:37 (EST)

__ __ __ __ JHB -:- I thought it was humor again, Gerry! -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:17:49 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Monty -:- I never expected the Spanish Inquisition -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:08:04 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- just so long as your'e not -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:21:09 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Monty Python? Who's that? -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:21:59 (EST)

__ __ Vicki -:- What Fun! -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 16:47:29 (EST)

__ __ __ Brian Smith -:- A appreciation of Indian Food -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 19:30:23 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Sulla -:- I bet M put some ex-lax in that food -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:52:12 (EST)

__ __ __ __ gerry -:- I'll vouch for Brian's appetite... -:- Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 19:54:26 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: I'll vouch for Brian's appetite... -:- Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:19:24 (EST)

Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 16:31:12 (EST)
From: OTS
Email: None
To: All
Subject: What I did on my trip to India in 1972
Message:

When I think back to my second overseas trip in my young life, a 21-year-old travelling to India for the first time, basically I just get the urge to go to the bathroom. I was a guest of the Living Lord, Satguru and Perfect Master, soon to become the Maharaja of Malibu, who had come with more power than ever before -- more than Jesus, more than Bud, more than Krishna. And what a host! Some seven Boeing 747 Jumbo Jets filled with hippies and church ladies descended on this Third World power, the largest democracy on earth. (My father, OTS, Sr., asked my hometown friend while I was gone, “Henry, can you tell me why OTS went to India? Did he leave a coat there? A hat?” My Dad, a comedian, was totally stumped as to what possibly was the pull so far away -- what was the matter with the Catskills? Atlantic City?) Maharaji called it “spritiual boot camp” but it was really a physical boot camp -- nothing really spiritual about it. He showed up once in a while, but I guess he couldn’t take the smell either and so he stayed at his birthplace home in Derha Dun during most of my visit.

I was there for two weeks at the Punjabi Bhag Ashram in New Delhi and four weeks at the Prem Nagar Ashram in Haridwar, in the Utter Pradash (e)state. I was there with my friend, “Punjabi Bob” and a few other thousands lost guests who all wondered what the hell they were supposed to do all day now that we’re halfway around the world. I did nothing . . . but lost 25% of my bodyweight. Well, I was busy (detailed below), but I did nothing. We even got to sleep one night on the filthy floors of the Delhi Airport because our return flight was postponed for 24 hours. (I guess we just didn’t call ahead to check our flight status.) Most of us were so sick, we didn’t even care at that point. Nice.

Yes, the country stunk, smelled like dung; yes there were large cows and crowds of kids and humans with large amounts cooking equipment piled on their heads running loose everywhere in the streets, including tons of Tibetan refugees selling knitted hats and sweaters, yes it was hard to breath as there were no paved roads -- only heat and dust; but, yes I felt secure under the auspices of The World Peace Corp. (WPC) and its fearless leader, Philadelphian Steve “Lemon” Moscowitz (a friend of “The Chicken Man,” Phil Testa?), but I digress. In the Andrea Erickson format, let me give you a typical day during my journey to this Far Eastern “holy land.” Let’s start at midnight and work our way around the clock.

12:00 Midnight: Having dressed in all of the clothes I had brought to India all at once, I settled into my thin noninsulated Sears® Junior Scout sleeping bag, which lay on soft dirt in the middle of a large open-sided tent with about 500 other people in rows of dirt trying to sleep while shivering in near freezing temperatures (as we were just at the foothills of the Himalayan mountains). [Almost sounds like the Al Q prisoners at Guantanimo Bay, Cuba, no?] It appeared that much of the loose dirt somehow had miraculously entered my mouth, nose and lungs and made me cough for about four weeks straight without stopping like my fat aunt, OTS, Sr.’s older sister, who smoked three packs a day of Camel-no-filter cigarettes. Black lung, brown lung, red lung -- your call.

12:20 A.M.: Cramps began AGAIN, but I had to ignore them. Too early to start the trek to the latrines. Stare at dirt; continue constant coughing. (Bare light bulbs burned brightly everywhere during the entire four weeks day and night in our romantic hideaway on the Ganges, making it real hard to sleep if you could stop coughing.) Tried to keep my shorts clean. People everywhere were starting to sneeze, cough and vomit at an alarming rate. [By the way, they’ve never heard of “tissues” in India. The sounds were loud and people just couldn’t control themselves or beat their sickness. This lasted all month long.

1:00 A.M.: Weaker and weaker as the cramps became just too much to bear and I was running out of clean underwear by the minute, I began my hourly trek to the latrines and up a wooden ramp, which was like climbing a mountain after a few weeks. The latrines were built by Indian premies to resemble Western toilets (with sitting capabilities), but they were just a little off on their calculations, and, if you sat down on these red brick structures, you had just as a good chance of completing your seated task as you did of falling through the seat hole into the troughs below, which worked as a gravitational irrigation/plumbing system. The shit ran downhill, in short. Therefore, after a few days, we just squatted on top of these brick things like the Indians. Don’t forget, however, that there was no paperwork to complete. Just a clay jar with purple colored disinfectant water to wash you left hand after you were done. Walk slowly back to open-sided tent in the dark cold of night as the cramps stared up yet again even though I just went and hadn’t even gotten back to my sleeping bag yet.

2:00 A.M. - 4:00 A.M.: See 1:00 A.M.

4:30 A.M. Awakened by the mysterious and enchanting sounds of monks throughout the valley praying and singing Arti and other prayers from neighboring ashrams and homes. Another trip to latrines.

5:00 A.M. Kneel under a four-foot high spicket of cold water and “bathe.” Or, if you were a polar bear premie, walk to the Ganges River on the property and dunk yourself in the freezing melted Himalayan snow -- now called the Ganges River. In either case, wash your clothes while their still on your body, wrap yourself in a very used towel and dress for the coming hot and dusty day in as little clothing as possible.

6:00 A.M. Sleep deprived, cranky and cramped, sit down among 500 others for a nice quiet 30 second meditation and then a 59-1/2 minute snorefest.

7:00 A.M. Go get your wheatberries and buffalo milk topped with sugar. Daily. What a buffet treat.

8:00 A.M. After another visit to the latrines (after a few days your hands are almost permanently dyed purple now), get ready for the day. Go to satsang given in Hindi, which I didn’t understand. Four hours of it. But I was told it wasn’t the words, it was the VIBE. Or, listen to Professor Tanden rant and rave in broken English about enlightenment. He was a “householder” premie who ran Divine Light Mission in India and was MataJi’s main flunky. His son, evidently, had hashish smoking problems with the law. He was sort of like the clown act at the Barnamun & Bailey circus. He never got any jokes and was a sort of country bumpkin that we all came to enjoy.

Noon: Lunch, hot chilies, vegetables and dal on rice served on a leaf. No utensils.

12:18 P.M. Run to the latrines.

12:30 P.M. Delirious rest.

2:00 P.M. Visit the Rose Garden and the beautiful premies who tended the roses. Rows and rows of beautiful sweet smelling multi-colored roses. Caught of glimpse of Mata Ji laughing and tossing and re-adjusting her sari over her head, which she did about 45 times an hour. She had a great laugh, but a bitter disposition, it seemed. Played favorites. Could be mean. Liked Professor Tandan. Wore out-dated but fashionable eyewear. Sang like her son (could break a window during the high portion of her rendition of that old spiritual: “Apni Haste”.)

3:00 P.M. After a few stops at the latrines, more incomprehensible Hindi satsang or a Knowledge Review in Hindi, again with no translator. Clear as a bell. The demonstration of the Nectar technique by Mahatma Ramanand while continue to speak in Hindi only should be part of a Saturday Night Live Classic skit.

4:00 P.M. After having delusional cravings for pizza, green peas, oatmeal, a cheese sandwich on toast, tomato soup, anything Western, I stop at the canteen and purchase some Indian-made “Western Potato Salad,” which was made with potatoes, ghee, corriander and love. Sold-out many days in a New York minute.

5:00 P.M. Dinner. See lunch

5:18: P.M. See 12:18 P.M.

6:00 P.M. Dropped dead before satsang for an hour.

7:00 P.M. Satsang time. Perhaps a young Padarthanand in pigeon English or and old Ramanand pulling on his big ears and making faces and laughing for 15 minutes.

9:00 P.M. Arti (15 minutes in Hindi, 15 in English).

9:30 P.M. Chitchat. Jokes. Gopi Gossip amongst ourselves (sample topics included: the infamous suitcase with jewels and watches and cash smuggled into India on one of the Jumbo Jets that the Hindi press caught on to; premies who were sneaking out and smoking dope at the Ashok Hotel in New Delhi, premies who were going into town and buying food to eat off-sight. A real felony.)

10:00 P.M. Final trip of the day to the latrines.

10:30 P.M. Bed time. After the thousands left the big open-sided tent and the dust was sufficiently kicked up so you couldn’t even see the stage any more, it was time to roll out the old Junior Scout sleeping bag and hit the hay, I mean dirt.

11:00 P.M. Meditation on a stick.

11:25 P.M. Pray to Jesus to get me the fuck out of here! Start to cramp up again, but fall asleep with dirt in my tears.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 12:47:30 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: memory avalanche
Message:

You started something. Remember those things we used instead of toilet paper? Lotas, I believe. And the left hand/right hand taboo.

When I arrived at Punjabi Bagh, this mahatma came up and pranamed to me and my baby and said (supply accent) 'I remember your baby from its last life. It was a great mahatma! It has come home.' A lot of the mahatmas I met had been followers of our goos father and hadn't spent time with da lil goo. They just showed up for the westerners.

Remember those tongue scrapers?

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 11:07:08 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Random memories of 1972 India trip
Message:

Yes, the spicy smoky dirty fragrant air. Can't ever forget it.

Pandemonium at the airports, the 'in-charge-jis' running around oh so self-importantly.

Lots of bindis and tilaks on the foreheads of many of the premies. So earnest, so sincere, so foolish, so doomed.

Later, mahatmas everywhere, down from the hills, in from the hinterlands, and in such variety of hairstyle, or lack of same. The color of their saffron robes varied as well, some washed out, some vivid, one or two yellow, and also with the white-robed mahatmas-in-training, or almost-mahatmas. There was that westernized Indian mahatma -- Ashokanand? -- who always looked extremely worried to me. He had written a longish intellectual poem that got distributed, all about the mind being like a two-way mirror.

There was an ancient yellow-robed mahatma, who also wore very thick lensed black-rimmed glasses, who hobbled into view now and then. It was whispered both approvingly and incredulously that he hadn't ever 'expelled semen' in his whole life. He was venerated on that account, apparently. He didn't appear to be in the greatest of health, in my opinion.

There was the time an Indian premie brother literally took me by hand, as in hand-in-hand, to walk about the grounds on some errand. I was a bit abashed at that, my western-enculturated homophobia not yet burnt away. And he was rather cute, too, so I was struggling with that. It may have been the first microscopic creak of the opening closet door, I don't know.

At Prem Nagar there was an effort to control our energies into varieties of 'service'. I worked for a while in the sick tent, slinging inexhaustible buckets of diarrhea out to the brick shit sluices out back for disposal. I figured that service might 'please the Lord' (Who knows all things as Witness to my every move and every thought), to see how nobly I had sacrificed my reluctance and ego, as in the satsang story we were frequently told of the king who had to do a similar penance for years before receiving knowledge in the ashram of his guru, and who was rewarded with a bucket of shit 'accidentally' dumped over his head by the guru's wife, the king uncomplaining and even rejoicing in his great fortune, having successfully passed his 'test'. I considered myself lucky.

I remember lingering over the scriptural sayings and quotes painted in black along the sides of the silvery driveway border stones, leading up to the little fountain with a ceramic four-faced deity sitting on a lotus. I don't remember any water spouting in the fountain; it seemed dry and grimy as I recall.

There was an occasion when we were gathered outside the ashram for darshan of Mata Ji. She had Jacques Sandoz sing his damn 'Fly Away' song over and over. There also was a hefty hearty western premie who had a singularly booming laugh whom she compelled to repeat his laugh on demand any number of times, long after the spontaneity left the moment. It was cute for about five seconds, then it became painful and embarrassing to watch and hear. I felt sorry for that guy. But it was 'show and tell', time to strut our stuff, I guess.

There were the meditation sessions in the main hall of the Prem Nagar ashram, with the (to my taste) rather messy and cluttery altar/stage, what with all the spangles, and photos, chairs, and 'Christmas tree lights' and assorted pots and trays and glittering paraphernalia. That was the first place I remember consciously 'leaving my body' in a meditation. It was an OBE for sure, but I didn't get too far, just hovering and looking around in the ceiling area of that room, for a while, just enough to be undeniable, but not controllable. I was a bit wobbly on my wings, so to speak.

There was the ongoing anxiousness to actually have 'close darshan' of M. I seem to remember only a little bit, on the roof where he mainly hung out if he was there. Access to the roof was carefully guarded by a phalanx of basically friendly but very serious security types. Rank and file premies would linger and press and try to insinuate themselves into that holy-of-holies, by strategem or bribe or quickness.

Once I got lucky, and M was up there playing around with some toy airplanes or balloons or something, with BBJ and maybe Bhole Ji. I thought I detected a sort of halo around their heads, against the clear blue background sky that day. I focussed on their eyes, looking for some recognition, connection, significance or love, or something, but didn't seem to personally connect. One thing I did notice was how concentrated they were, even in the midst of 'playing', as though they were on their own wavelength, and we all were just so much inconsequential background noise. To be fair, I grant how hard it would be to live amongst thousands of slobbering sychophants without putting up some sort of barriers. I don't think I could stand it.

I remember walking into downtown Haridwar, and feeling the oddness of being stared at by the indigenous passersby as a real curiosity: I may as well have had two heads painted green and blue for all the staring and giggles. Little kids would trail along beside me and try to practice their English, sentences involving pencils and books on the table.

There was the wizened old fellow in a scruffy turban, chin glistening with silver stubble, who came up to me and said, with the biggest most heartwarming smile, 'Meet to glad you!'

It took me a number of years to realize what a wonderful philosophy of life that was, however unintended was its first expression!

Best wishes from Carl
[ Carl ]

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 16:44:49 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Ha!
Message:

Yeah Joe's right Carl....a really good read.

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 15:11:38 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: You are a great writer, Carl
Message:

Carl,

I always love to read what you write because you do it so well. Are you a writer by profession?

Thanks for the great insights and descriptions.

Joe

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 13:55:42 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Great story, Carl, but link doesn't work [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 16:38:46 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Sorry folks, there is no link
Message:

By mistake I wrote my name in the wrong window, and it wouldn't delete when I tried to edit it away after the initial posting. Sorry for the confusion.

P.S. to Joe: Most of my writing has been business-oriented, although lately I've started to branch out into other areas.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 18:16:39 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: It works for me, Pat. (nt)
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 19:37:26 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: You're kidding me, Marshall???!!
Message:

The url is incomplete. Or am I just hallucinating today?

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 20:41:17 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: You're kidding me, Marshall???!!
Message:

Pat,
You're right.
I've realised that I've mixed Carl's link up with CQ's picture of the beach in Goa, Carls link doesn't work for me either so, nevermind.
I'm the one who is hallucinating!

Take care, Marshall

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Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:18:17 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Hallucinating, Marshall?
Message:

Well the pic of Goa is enough to make you hallucinate. A lot of that took place there. :C)

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:17:12 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Re: How much $$$$?
Message:

Did you have to pay for all that or it was for free?

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:38:52 (EST)
From: livia
Email: None
To: Sulla
Subject: Re: How much $$$$?
Message:

It cost £150 English money, which covered everything: return flight, food and 'accomodation' for however long it was - I think it was a month. There wasn't that much food really, but no one starved as far as I know. I agree with someone below who said that whatever else one felt about it, it was a trip to India and a stunning, unforgettable experience of an utterly different world. I often think about it, and I'm glad I went. Even I did come back with dysentry weighing a stone less.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:29:21 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Sorry I missed it
Message:

It's 3:15 in the morning here in Seattle. Laurie and I came down for a cousin's bar mitzvah (I won't give the address in case the Palestinians are monitoring the forum). Can't sleep, tossing and turning. Laurie's threatening to stay home tomorrow if she can't get her beauty sleep so I snuck in here to check out my sister's computer.

OTS, this, too, is a very funny post. Thanks for the effort. I'd just heard of the Maharaji of Malibu in September, '72, and almost joined that ultimate gambling junket to India. My parents had just split, though, and my mother layed just the right guilt trip on me about leaving her there and then, besides, wasn't I going to university or something?

Um, well I was, mom, but, well, I quit yesterday ...

Anyway, I didn't go but moved out west from Toronto to Vancouver instead. Lost touch with premies but got back into it all in the spring and got kicked into the cult in April. Always wondered what I'd really missed. Thanks for the travelogue. What else you got? I'm up for at least another hour.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:03:36 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: You should have popped down to Goa.
Message:

Hi OTS,

I was in India the same time. We bought a hut on the beach in Goa for about 25 cents. You should have popped down to Vagator beach and shared a chillum or two.

Or maybe Jesus heard your prayer and you did.

Anth, who became ensared later.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 09:26:25 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: pullaver@yahoo.ca
To: AJW
Subject: Re: You should have popped down to Goa.
Message:

Hi Anth,

Me too. I lived in Goa for about 4 months back in '73. I had heard about Maharaji - actually I'd seen a poster of him in Delhi and someone had drawn a dollar sign over his face - I should have taken the hint. Our hut was on Calengute beach. The main action was over at Arjuna Beach - what with the full moon acid parties, those huge speakers brought down to the beach, hippies dancing naked under the stars. Used to like taking the bus into Panaji for a few quarts of Kingfisher. I had always intended to go back but when I got home to Toronto I got sucked into the post Hans Jayanti ('74) fervour, got k from Rajeshwar, moved into an ashram, and never did get back there. Boom Shankar!

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Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 15:27:50 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Memory lane.
Message:

It's all coming back to me...Mapsa market...Panjim Jail...Full moons...folly of youth...

We should have a pint and a natter one day.

Anth, crying in his beer.
Hi Anth,

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Date: Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 01:18:00 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Kingfishers all 'round . . .
Message:

Beer Prayer

Our Lager,
Which art in barrels,
Hallowed be thy mug.
Thy will be drunk, (I will be drunk),
At home as it is in the pub.
Give us this day our foamy head,
And forgive those who spill against us.
And lead us not to incarceration,
But deliver us from hangovers.
For thine is the ale, the bitter, the lager.

Barmen

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:11:09 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Re: You should have popped down to Goa.
Message:

Vagator! Anjuna! Mapusa!

Ah, those were the days ('77 - '80 for me). Back then I was a Rajneeshi sanyassin, having dumped the Goo, very publicly (i.e. my de-conversion from M to Rajneesh is written up in one of Rajneesh's published 'darshan diaries' and was commented on in one of his morning discourses). Fame? Infamy? Well, Kipling says they're both imposters.

But, at the end of the day, what was India, but a glorious celebration of sun, sand, and sh .... you know what.
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 17:23:39 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Rajneesh?...oot of the frying pan into... :) [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 11:29:11 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re: You should have popped down to Goa.
Message:

Whut about Colva? Thanks for the pic but where are the hordes of nekkid hippie flesh I remember so fondly? '77-80? wow. Lucky you. Yeah, the Rajneeshis were there in force when I was there - they would pull out amazing choreographed dance and drum routines during the full moon parties. The more circumspect (and modest) Children of God were there too, preparing enormous pots of porridge every few days for those of us crashing from the previous nite's frolic. Apparently we wouldn't recognize the place today - all beachfront hotels and touristy. sob

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:08:33 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: 11:00 P.M. Meditation on a stick. LOL, OTS
Message:

I just loved your essay and your sense of humor. What a pioneer you were, bringing the mysteries of the East back to us burnt out western hippies.

It could even have been you who gave me my first serious satsang, or someone like you, fresh from India, obviously exhausted by the adventure, yellow with hepatitis, skin-n-bones from amoebic dysentry but glowing with awe at the holeyness of it all.

Well, at least it was better than going to the local Methodist Church every Sunday and dying of boredom in the apathetic middle-class burbs from which we had escaped. Well, at the time it seemed like that.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:42:04 (EST)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: i.e. amoebic dysentery's got me on da run! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 21:49:12 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: You're all coming out of the woodwork
Message:

:)

Didn't realise there are so many real ole timers here.

When I got K in Nov 73 I thought I missed out on the real unadulterated bliss of Prem Nagar ashram....glad I never went....seems only Bri Smith got the hang of it :)

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:44:39 (EST)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: yeah, talk about a shitty vacation! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 21:25:17 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972
Message:

Synchronicity OTS, I'm trying to write my journey & have just got around to remembering that particular episode of it.

Getting a haircut 2 days before departure,I got a smile from the horrible cow in the local sweetshop where I bought my daily 10 woodbine cigarettes. She hadn't recognised me.

Digging out the old school blazer,tie and a shirt. Smart was the instruction,God's representatives have to show the hoi-polloi in India that they aren't a bunch of deadbeats.

Had a terrible row with my mother about going , not least because I jacked in a well paid job which I was good at & enjoyed in order to do so.......but when the Pied Piper plays his flute you gotta follow.

My 1st impression of India(the airport)was lots of officials with a nasty attitude & soldiers wierdly kitted out like 2nd W.W Tommies complete with Lee Enfield rifles, 'cept they were brown with turbans.

Camping out in some park in Delhi, that went on for days,I never ventured out of there,I felt like the little kid I saw later in Prem Nagar whose parents I overheard telling him not to be attached to them....dislocated, only I didn't know that's what it was called then. I felt really sorry for that kid & wanted to say so but I didn't.

In retrospect that's when I gave in to the prevailing vibe ,surrendered my own instincts to those of the superior power,went with the flow,accepted moral corruption as part of the unknowable & capricious divine plan. LILA.

Those toilets were a masterpiece & I'm not being facetious,I never knew how long a turd could be until I saw one dangling from some guy's bottom opposite me . Lucky bastard must've had the detachment to stand for 4 hours in the food queue without freaking out.

I was sitting on the bank of the canal outside the back garden one day when Prem Pal suddenly appeared out for a stroll,followed by hundreds of people. He stopped right in front of me & I touched his oxblood patent leather shoes. Nothing. That's my fault,I'm not detached enough to get the Darshan hit.I took a photo,his mouth is turned down & he looks really pissed off.

He was hardly ever there as you say. Once he turned up for 5 mins & then pissed off again,the level of commitment(was that the buzz word then)wasn't right.

Everything you say rings a bell with me. Did you notice the premie rebellion,led by a beautiful dark haired girl from London, which Ashokanand had to spend several days defusing?

The day a large limo came up the drive,rich American parents on a rescue mission. How I admired their nerve.

Yeah that was a mindfuck alright,though I was lucky not to get sick until right near the end.

When we got back to England our plane was quarantined, the toilets had packed up over Arabia,the cabin crew had listened to 8 hrs nonstop satsang. We sat on the tarmac for ages until a guy in uniform appeared in the cabin. I can still remember the shock on his face as he looked at us,then he was down the aisle pointing to people comatose in their seats & instructing the crew.....him,her,not going anywhere,get the rest of them off.

Why did we go on with it? I don't know about you,but for me the golden doughnut inside was the proof that the sulky little bastard who got 2000 people to camp in his back garden & fertilise his roses for free, was God Incarnate.

1973 was wierder.

Great recollection ; Thanks.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:16:37 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: The longest turd? This whole thread ***BEST OF*** [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 20:05:48 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: staten island??
Message:

There was a group of us who were so sick on the jumbo jet home we were quarantined in a Public Health Service Hospital on Staten Island. Anybody else there?

What was the purple stuff we had for washing dishes in Punjabi Bagh, potassium something?

My service was peeling garlic in the food tent. I peeled mountains of garlic, unfortunately I stll got the shits. Remember the street vendors crying 'GORAM CHAI.' The chai on the streets of Delhi and Dehra Dun was the best. Remember how sour the yogurt was?

Yup, I washed my baby's diapers in the Ganges. Smart move, but it was the only place to bathe or do laundry. I did see them carrying a dead person on a stretcher through the streets, but it wasn't a premie. It was a funeral procession.

The food in stalls outside Prem Nagar was great. And every stall owner was a guru, at least that's what they told me.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 21:54:06 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: All those Gurus
Message:

to pick from and you chose a fake.....duhh!

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 23:16:32 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Re: All those Gurus
Message:

Yeah and I never saw the dude while I was a guest in his home...actually once he waved to all of us dirt eaters from the top floor of the ashram in Punjabi Bagh. Mata Ji was there, too, she probably made him wave. And of course when he did the krishna hula at the Hans Jayanti dust bowl.

I remember being rebellious and leaving the mob at Prem Nagar to bathe under the fawcets in downtown Dehra Dhun (that's a joke, DD didn't exactly have a 'downtown.') I learned how to bathe fully dressed while squatting on a street corner. See, my time as devotee wasn't a waste.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 23:28:38 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: All those Gurus... :) [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:42:28 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972
Message:

OTS,

Another hindu wobble dance down memory lane.

I flew to India on jumbo D, as it was known. Before the flight, a few of us premies from Tallahassee did a pilgrimage to the DLM New York ashram on West 86th(?). GMJ was about and, Rajeshwar told us to wait for a 'special prasad' from GMJ. We could hear GMJ giggling in another room and, sure enough, Rajeshwar brought out some fudge 'prasad'. Turns out, that trickster satguru of ours had whipped up a batch of chocolate Ex-Lax just for us. What bliss, we all crapped our brains out before getting on the plane and probably avoided Ghandi's Revenge that was visited on many others. Such lila!!!

At Prem Nagar, I used to jump in the Ganges and then soap up with Dr. Bronners' pepermint soap and jump in again to rinse off. The 'sisters' were supposed to bathe fully clothed but once the thin cotton granny dresses and saris got wet, the horny Indian premies would gather in droves to watch and catch a glimpse of pale flesh.

I also slept in that huge tent adjacent to the satsang hall. You'd wake at maybe 3 or 4 am to arti over the tinny speakers coming from countless other ashrams up and down the river. Made me wonder, if this trip is so special, how come everyone else is also singing the same song and who are they singing to?

Yes, the rose garden was nice and I did service folding those tiny little books of Shri Maharaji's quotes from huge broadsheets of paper. These were then collated and hand sewn by the women.

Another memory that should have been a 'drip' at the time happened in Punjabi Bagh ashram near Delhi. After kneeling outside M's door for awhile, Bihari Singh let me crawl in only to see GMJ playing with slot cars for the amusement of a group of PAGM (people around Guru Maharaji).

Food was generally so bland and starchy that one day, as I was walking through Prem Nagar, I had a vision of a cheesebuger with wings flying by. I loved the hand-made roti (chapati), fresh fried vegetable fritters and that huge vat of steaming hot water buffalo milk chai at Prem Nagar. My favorite meal was when Gwen Herrington (another Tallahasse premie) and I had grilled cheese sandwiches and fries at a fancy hotel on Connaught Circle in Delhi. Also the wonderful rose water laced cake and pistachio ice cream in Hardwar.

About the smuggled watches, etc. The official story was that they were gifts for the mahatmas. I recall Bob Mishler announcing that everyone would put all of their spending money in a Divine Bank for safe keeping. Donations were then requested to help out the local premies as they were having a tough time feeding us hungry Westerners. Later, we found out that the cash was used to help deal with bribing customs to ignore the briefcase full of jewelry.

As a life experience, seeing India was definitely outrageous. I saw a world I'll never forget.

Richard

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:36:14 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Hey, Richard, are you in town?
Message:

Richard,

You in town? Free for coffee, perhaps, Sunday afternoon?

If you call my number at home (250) 360-1040 sometime Saturday I'll get the message and will get back to you.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 14:12:51 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, check your voice mail.
Message:

I've sent out carrier pigeons to alert the other local operatives. We await your command.

Richard
Pacific Northwest Regional Coordinator and Church Lady Ex-traordinaire

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:27:45 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Too trippy: vision of a cheesebuger with wings
Message:

You guys who went to India really did take a trip and your trips down memory lane are tripping me out right now. This is the real history of the cult not the Passing Gas video. Thanks.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 17:32:38 (EST)
From: livia
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972
Message:

I was there too. Does anybody remember this? At Punjabi Bagh, before we all went to Prem Nagar, the person I was with said he saw a group of premies carrying this guy out and he was dead. (I just saw someone being carried out with great haste, but wasn't close enough to see if he was dead.) My friend was absolutely positive about this and has maintained it ever since. However, nothing was ever said about it at the time, maybe because he died of a disease and they thought everyone would panic, I really don't know. Does anyone know anything about this? I do recall that there was a bit of a cholera scare one day and I felt quite uneasy for a while because so many of us were getting horribly sick. My service, by the way, was to wash out the clothes of people who had messed themselves. Nice!

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 16:39:54 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Re: What I did on my trip to India in 1972
Message:

Almost exactly like my experience there, too, except for the weeks I spent all alone with my child in a Delhi Hospital. Must have been his lila.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:52:55 (EST)
From: Peg...Thanks OTS,Pat, Richard,Hmum&all
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: I also thought I'd missed out! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 17:56:38 (EST)
From: Monty
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: Luxury
Message:

You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in

a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the

morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down

mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home,

out Guru would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in

the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to

work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and our Guru would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TG: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox

at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues.

We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four

hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we

got home, our Guru would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night,

half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump

of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill

owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home,

our Guru would kill us, and dance about on our graves

singing 'Hallelujah.'

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't

believe ya'.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:05:04 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Monty
Subject: except theirs is true and yours isnt
Message:

it's damned crass to take real people's real experience, honestly told in the first person, and invalidate it with this minimizing, for the sake of trying to make yourself look superior, not to mention craving to steal their thunder and get in what you want to be the last word.

live it, before you pipe up to one-up it.

I didn't go to india, but a year later I was living with destitute premies in conditions in new york city that I christened the 'prem nagar sadhu's' austerities:
the unused loft we were given permission to stay in had no hot water and a cement shower stall with no water, period. it was located next to the kitchen sink.
there were ten of us staying there, in one open room.
to bathe, i devised a system for us that consisted of my scavenging the block and vacant lots till i found a broken plastic trash barrel, which i brought home and cleaned with chlorine powdered cleanser, then mended with a hot knife to remelt the plastic where the holes were.
this done, we filled a stew pot with cold water from the kitchen sink, set it on the gas stove to boil, and once it did, poured it into the barrel and repeated the process, pouring a second potful in to the barrel when boiling again. then we poured cold water from the tap slowly into the barrel until it wasno longer scalding to the touch. this signaled the readiness for one persn to begin to bathe in the stall while more water was set on the stove to boil, to replace what the bather used during his or her turn.

to bathe, one stripped and stepped into the empty concrete stall[ which had no door nor curtain], taking a washcloth, soap, shampoo bottle and a large plastic cup or small saucepan as a ladle.
one soaped up with dry skin. there was not enough water to begin by wetting oneself down.
so one dipped a clean washcloth into the hot water, preferably scooped out into the cup or small pot, lathered up the sloth, and set the lather to dry bare skin, and lathered oneself all over in the dry shower stall. one worked from the small personal pot, not the common barrel, to keep the water supply clean.
one lathered oneself and scrubbed for as long as one wished to.
when the soaping phase was done, one wrung out the washcloth of suds over the drain, and then used the cloth to slick off the suds on the skin, repeating from head to toe and wringing out, until all the lather possible was down the drain, and only a film of soapy residue was left on the bare skin.
at this point the bather could justifiably reach for the personal cup, and scoop out one cupful of clean hot water at a time from the commonly prepeared barrel, and pouring skimpily from face, down shoulders, arms, chest, back, stomach, ass, one leg, then the other, could rinse the soap residue cleany from the washed skin. while this went on, hopefully another pot of boiling hot water could be ready to add to the common barrel to replenish the supply.

if one then wished to wash their hair, the procedure was to bend over, scoop hot water from the barrel with the cup, place the cup directly against the scalp and stand up, allowing the wetting water to run slowly into the hair before shampoo. dirty hair could not touch the common barrel water.
once hair was wet, another cupful of hot water could be scooped up, one's preferred shampoo was dripped into the cup of hot water and stirred to mix in, then the same cup to scalp position assumed, and the shampooey liquid slowly dripped out from under the cup down the scalp and hair to saturate.

once this was in the hair, one could step back deeper into the stall and bend over and lather their hair for as long as they liked, until satisfied that their hair was clean. then they squeezed out the lather down the drain, wiped their hands on their damp washcloth to avoid transferring soap to the clean common barrel, and scooped another cup of clean water, bent over, and slowly poured rinse water thru their hair, as few cups as possible, until their hair squeaked clean.
at this pount, if they wished it, and there was water enough to indlge it, you could sciip more cupfuls or a whole potful of clean water out of the hot water barrel, and slowly pour it over your naked self from head to toe, and feel completely rinsed down.
hopefully the stove crew was still bringing more pots of water to boil and pour into the barrel, to replenish the level for those still to come.
once you felt you had rinsed yourself enough, you stepped out and walked across the loft stark naked to get a towel or just to air dry in the summer heat of the city in july, and the next person would get their turn at the same procedure. when you felt done, you took your place in the water heating crew, to ensure that your friends all got their chance to clean up.

the first time, it was laborious. after that, it became routine requiring no thought. and there was zero sexual undercurrent.

in later years, when no facilities were available, I have thrown a cold water hose over a tree branch or a wall and bathed in my clothes [or my skin]under it, outdoors, and whenever i have to do this, i refer to it as 'taking a prem nagar shower'. i have had to do it in the woods, on the way to, and at festivals in miami, here in my yard, and just yesterday morning, when my kid used all the hot water up washing dishes while i was in the bathtub.
a most peculiar variant of this, i devised while living at the rennaissance faire in larkspur colorado--in the woods.

there was a hot and cold water spigot, but no hose or tub, at the center of an island of food stalls. the ground was dirt with some palleting around.

it was damned cold in the mornings.
never one to be a shrinking pussy, I looked around and created myself a solution:
a large cardboard box, such as they sell paper toweling at warehouses, served as the shell or frame support. a large neww trash bag of heavy gauge served as my waterproof liner and bathtub, inside the box. i set the box on a pallet under the two spigots, set the bag inside it and folded it over the top edges to stay open, and proceeded to turn on the hot and cold water and fill the box with hot bath water. at some point, i stripped and stepped into the container and sank down to a crouch, submerging myself as far as possible, beneath the water level. the box held. the bag held. i used the premnagar method to step out, soap down, cup rinse the soap away, and then got back into the box of hot water to rinse, warm up, and yes, luxuriate, such as it was. some others came in and found me back there, and i explained it to them, and invited them to try it themsleves when i was done. for the duration, it was a minor sensation in the camp, for those who knew. the food booths started saving big boxes out back, for the purpose, for those who came to do it at the start of the day.
if i go monthlong camping in the forest again, i will take an inflatable kiddie pool up with me, and empty my tent during the day at the warmest hour, put the pool in my tent, and fill it with hot water from my campfire and cold water from the stream, and have myself a hot bath in the privacy of my own tent, i will probably put my thin foam mat under it to prevent punctures from rocks or sticks under the groundsheet.

you can have it if you think it thru.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:05:45 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Monty
Subject: Effective technique
Message:

Yes, 'Monty' I read the book also. When faced with rumors, one does not deny the basic facts of the rumor but replies with outrageous and exaggerated versions of the rumor instead. The wilder the better.

Of course everyone sees that this new 'rumor' is ridiculous and totally lacking in credibilty. However, the two get linked in the mind of the listener, or the reader. This creates doubt (that ole doubtmaker) by creating this false and misleading association, which is of course the goal of the presentor.

Now most exes will instinctively recognize this for what is is: blatant manipulation. But this tactic is not aimed at ex-premies, but rather fence-sitters. The would-be persuader, most likely a cult member in this case, hopes to convince the unsure reader that the 'rumor' is indeed ridiculous and incredible.

This is another example of the lack of integrity of some of those on Rawat's side of the fence. It also demonstrates their desperation.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:25:26 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Effective technique
Message:

Yep,
Desperate is as desperate does.
Something like that anyway.
I found OTP's story about india to be quite believable and illuminating, and I'd love to hear more from others who made that epic trek to the birthplace of the goo and his scheming family.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:34:37 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Re: Effective technique
Message:

Well, in this case it may not have been a premie doing this for but rather an ex doing it for humor. Regardless it does have the net effect of lessening the impact of the original story.

It's all in the intent I suppose, but I've been looking for an opportunity to explain this manipulative trick because I've seen it employed here on other threads and was dying to jump on it and point it out.

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:17:49 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: I thought it was humor again, Gerry!
Message:

Your points are of course valid, but Monty's post is the text from a classic sketch first performed, I think, by the Monty Python team, but made more famous by being included in Amnesty International's 'The Secret Policeman's Ball' fund raising show. I don't think for one moment he was casting any doubt on OTS's account.

John.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 06:08:04 (EST)
From: Monty
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: I never expected the Spanish Inquisition
Message:

Graham Chapman: Trouble at mill.
Carol Cleveland: Oh no - what kind of trouble?
Chapman: One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treddle.
Cleveland: Pardon?
Chapman: One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treddle.
Cleveland: I don't understand what you're saying.
Chapman: (slightly irritatedly and with exaggeratedly clear accent) One of the cross beams has gone out askew on the treddle.
Cleveland: Well what on earth does that mean?
Chapman: *I* don't know - Mr Wentworth just told me to come in here and say that there was trouble at the mill, that's all - I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.
(JARRING CHORD) (The door flies open and Cardinal Ximinez of Spain (Palin) enters, flanked by two junior cardinals. Cardinal Biggles (Jones) has goggles pushed over his forehead. Cardinal Fang (Gilliam) is just Cardinal Fang)
....... etc..
...
You're absolutely right JHB. It was never meant to cast any doubts on a tremendously well written account of a lovely Indian holiday.
I know it was true for many of my friends went through it also.
Sorry to cause confusion,
Sincerely,
A Dead Parrot.

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 10:21:09 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Monty
Subject: just so long as your'e not
Message:

the dreaded Norwegian Blue. ole Ger has had his devil of a time with that particular parrot, ya know...

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 18:21:59 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Monty Python? Who's that?
Message:

Before I was Minister of PsyOp Protection and Paranoia Department I was ViceChairman of the Ministry of Silly Walks.

So I really DO know what I'm talking about...

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 16:47:29 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: What Fun!
Message:

And to think, all these years I really thought I missed out on something because I received knowledge in '74. I remember John Hampton telling the story of how the premies were warned not to eat food off site, but he and the then Marolyn Johnson went out and ate to their heart's content among the stalls on the streets. She never got sick, so full of grace and everything, even in those days.....

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 19:30:23 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: A appreciation of Indian Food
Message:

best describes what I accomplished on my journey to India 72. I had never before tasted Indian food and I learned to love it.

When they passed down the directive to not eat indian food off site, I ignored it, I had discovered the food in punjab New Dehli. I was already going into Hardwar to this lovely little open faced reastaurant almost daily and for 1 rupie (25 cents exchange rate at that time) I could get a several course Indian meal served on this huge metal plate with chutneys and chapaties cooked in a huge hot tandoori oven served with as much chai as you could drink to wash it all down.

I loved it, and I ate it the Indian way, spicy hot as hell, and the locals loved me for showing such a genuine affection for their food. My friend Tom and I were invited to the home of one of the men there that I had met in the cafe for a real honest to goodness Indian feast. The food and the graciousness of his family was heavenly, If I could only remember his wife's receipe for curried okra, (the one and only time in my life that I enjoyed eating okra).

At least the food was authentic, which is more than I can say for the rest of the story of my involvement with the cult and m.

By the way, I did not get sick while in India, I stayed healthy and strong all the way up to the end of the trip. My service was to physically assist and sometimes even carry the weakened premies unable to walk to the latrines and back.

I regularly ate off site plus I bathed daily in the polluted silty waters of the incredibly cold and swift river Ganges. By doing those things against the advice of the cult and m in hindsight I see was the best thing I could have done. I think I probably acclimated my body's immune system by subjecting myself to the full local dose of the dreaded microbes and I built up a natural resistance.

When in Rome do as the Romans do, even if that means getting used to very hot spicy food. Besides that I did not see many of the local Indians sick and the premies were falling like flies doing what they were told to do.

The bland way the ashram prepared meals "to suit the western palate and stomach" paled in comparision to the real thing. So I continued eating off site developing an appreciation for authentic Indian food, I still have it once or twice a week to this day.

I venture to say ignoring the advice of the cult leader then as now turned out to be the best thing for a healthy result in my life. M presents a big obstacle, a big falsehood in the path to ones personal development.

I say Focusing on him as some sort of diety or master is sick and inauthentic and robs me of my personal potential for my own self awareness.

I have found in leaving m behind that all of the food that I need for my own personal spiritual nourishment I can prepare for myself in my own homecooked healthy style.

Brian the healthy and happy gourmet

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:52:12 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: I bet M put some ex-lax in that food
Message:

Isn't it extrange that nothing happen to you while the ones who follow the rules got sick?

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Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 19:54:26 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: I'll vouch for Brian's appetite...
Message:

quite healthy indeed. We had lunch together yesterday in a Mexican restaurant.

'Caliente, caliente' was the order of the day. Of course we completed secrets plans for the secret Pacific North cell of the org to implement phase two of the secret plot.

gerry--I think I've lost the plot...

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Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:19:24 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: I'll vouch for Brian's appetite...
Message:

I'm really pleased, Gerry, that you got to meet the beautiful Brian Smith. If you liked him as much as I do then we have the same taste in people.

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