Patricia A. Johnston -:- Realities ... Jagdeo -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:00:53 (GMT)

__ Helen -:- Realities ... Jagdeo -:- Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 01:56:41 (GMT)

__ Pia Greenbum -:- So true, so beautiful -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:13:58 (GMT)

__ __ Silvia -:- Hi Pea, pee, sorry, Pia -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:48:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ The Questioning Angel -:- Could someone please arrange -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:16:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Irony supplement are sorely needed -- yas n/t -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:47:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ PatC -:- See my post to you above, Angel - ESL.......... NT -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:40:53 (GMT)

__ __ Pea Greenbrain -:- So true, so beautiful - I knew you'd like it, sis -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:19:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ Moronic Amoeba -:- she can't hear you she's absorbed us and now -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:40:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ PatC channelling Cosmic -:- Ectoplasm - that was the sucking sound - burp NT -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:56:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Mold, slowly being sucked -:- My God - she's an absorber from THE OTHER SIDE !NT -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 19:51:32 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- Here's your problem in a 'nutshell', Patricia -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 15:39:55 (GMT)

__ __ Deborah -:- OH JIM -- That is so funny....Ha ahh, ahh, HAHAHA -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:30:59 (GMT)

__ __ gerry -:- Dinner is Served: It's dog eat dog At Johnson's -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:11:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ SuchaBanana smOOthie -:- hurry: git yer roasted carrot dogs,soyburgers! (nt -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 21:44:57 (GMT)

__ la-ex -:- Come again,Pat A. Johnston... -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 13:45:20 (GMT)

__ __ Patricia A. Johnston -:- 'Bye. -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 15:28:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Kewl sheeeeit! My Dead Zone just woke up! -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:11:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- This is a joke - eh?.....**BEST of FORUM** -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:38:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ MissPrint -:- should read **BEST LAUGH on FORUM** /nt -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:58:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ JHB -:- Patricia's email address is wrong -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 23:13:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Patricia's email address is wrong - yes it's fake -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 23:22:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Bob -:- psycho -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 23:50:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- psycho or a budding writer for SNL -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:11:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ Francesca -:- 99 percent of us don't believe in saviours -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 19:21:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ Moldy Warp -:- Patricia.. Listen. The New Age is like the Dark -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:53:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Good riddance, newage bubble girl! -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:24:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bob -:- Patricia.... -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:15:38 (GMT)

__ Susan -:- Realities ... Jagdeo -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 13:20:22 (GMT)

__ Abi -:- Realities ... Jagdeo -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:43:39 (GMT)

__ nagual rain -:- Realities ... Jagdeo -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:55:15 (GMT)

__ __ JohnT -:- You're inventing situations -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 13:05:29 (GMT)

__ mark fury -:- drink koolaid,believe in jesus,eat cheerios -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:15:28 (GMT)

__ janet -:- choking on new age psychobabble from other people -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 08:33:42 (GMT)

__ __ Francesca -:- Brilliant, janet -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 19:16:42 (GMT)

__ __ pemieji+1 -:- choking on new age psychobabble from other people -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:51:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- Wot no spam tonite? -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:32:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ Silvia Sommer -:- And who are you? Who asked your opinion? -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:30:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- Why stop at the limbs? --- Flake off, loser---nt -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:50:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ JohnT -:- Psychobabbler!! You didn't answer me -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:51:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Hi JohnT -- (Personal message OT) -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:53:52 (GMT)

__ PatC -:- Patricia says: Wisdom starts in the dark of Satan -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:56:20 (GMT)

__ __ JohnT -:- Er, Pat -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:46:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ PatC -:- John, I thought maybe you used a NewAge-olizer -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 17:36:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Funny you should mention that. -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:12:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- NewAge-olizer may work for non-premies but -:- Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 16:59:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Very funny (nt) -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 17:41:12 (GMT)

__ __ janet -:- and arti says medit. begins in the form of our -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 08:46:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ PatC channelling Thelma -:- I wish to god you had written Patricia's post -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 08:51:44 (GMT)

__ Sir Dave -:- Maharaji's poison -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:54:25 (GMT)

__ Bazza -:- Welcome to the Twilight Zone -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:18:51 (GMT)

__ __ MK -:- I'll take question 2) again Baz -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 15:34:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Just curious ...... -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:05:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ MK -:- Mainly this... -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 17:15:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- I only hope that's true (OT) -:- Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 17:45:11 (GMT)

__ Excuse me, due back -:- on planet Earth nt -:- Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:10:36 (GMT)

Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:00:53 (GMT)
From: Patricia A. Johnston
Email: Circe009@yahoo.com
To: Susan Haupt
Subject: Realities ... Jagdeo
Message:

Hi Susan!
This is a copy of an e-mail I sent to my son, another premie, who found your site. Please read on, for there are some things we may not have realised are happening.

Dear Denis,
Thanks for the ex-premie site.

What was my reaction? I believe it!

Realities are closing in, and all realities and probabilities are now being exposed to all. Try to search the word 'Bearden' and you will see that his scientific work shows that the opposite polarity of any action shoots off to take manifestation as the opposite action, and is a true reality, though not normally in our known present reality. He explains also that the culmination of all this manifestation is their coming together at some point soon ... in his work, his main point is that there is free energy available through this 'shooting off' and the inefficiency of our electrical gadgets and fossil fuels.

All this separation of realities has changed, so all realities are slowly coming in - I told you on the phone of the Reagan (death announced on CNN) mix-up that many have noticed. What I am hoping is that it will be slow, though it must speed up at the culmination.

As you may have known, I no longer attend meetings. I do receive the e-mail extracts from Maharaji’s speeches a couple of times a week, that anyone can receive by finding their Elan Vital (search for it) corresponding area-information, and I want to read them. I was getting the newest videos each month by special post. I’d still like them, but there was a mix-up when my credit-card changed, and the videos are not yet arranged for me.

Now, one of the things I resented most about this invasion of my life by my other 'aspects', is the fact that at meetings they would get in even to Knowledge reviews - control of matter is theirs, and there were too many incidents that showed me I had no right to impose them on premies really trying to concentrate, and they would follow me everywhere, clap while Maharaji spoke, transmit another language audibly through their head-sets so others could not hear Maharaji - stand on my toes - you name it.

So, in a very manifested way, I have been forced to retreat from all the belief-systems I used to hold, and I assure you it was not pleasant, but now I can see the point of all this invasion.

Denis, it’s our belief-systems that will cause us to bring into force the things we don’t want - and that once were not real, but now are.

When I got Knowledge, I realised the only thing I knew how to do was breathe. Since then I have been dissolving belief-systems, but still have a lot more to go. Still, I know that the only thing I do know is how to breathe. That clarity of just breathing is what Maharaji allowed me to know.

There is one video where He states that there will come a time when it will feel that we have crash-landed in the Amazonas, with nothing but what we ARE, and instead of reaching for food, we will be the food if .... In another video He states that we try to balance neither too much to the left nor to the right, then along comes the Master and gives us the 'densest rock' - it does not balance. It is the centre.

Do you realise that the Maharaji I know may never have heard of any of this ex-premie stuff? The problem is the confusion of realities that will indeed overlay each other, just as the earth is now overlaid with many systems of belief that make up our grid or aura of the earth. At some point those will all come together and then we shall spring out again to create ... what? It depends on our standard of belief-system, and the only ones that will not create anything, and therefore be freed from this abattoir of a universe itself, are the ones that allow it all to come together, to notice it all, and thus dissolve it.

Face it - dark upholds light, and when we allow that both merge, they go off in a puff of smoke. This universe works through anti-matter sustaining matter. Put them together and there is a void ...

When the 'rush' of it all comes in, the only place we will not fight it is in the centre, and it will all pass through us, giving us its Knowledge of all times as we go Down the Ages back to our Source and breach the womb of this universe.

It’s all coming together as a single Nut-state. Those who have belief-systems will struggle against the Dark and create another earth ... remember that it is our desire to feel that causes the feelers to grow and exist, and then causes to come into existence the object that we can feel .... Are you with me?

Denis - go to (The river of crazy wisdom) - it is an astounding site - go to Sabe’s Realm first and read all you can find there, especially 'The Coming Birth and Mass Ascension' and then 'Cores, Faces and Aspects'.

Knowing that all realities would close in, you can see how Maharaji always stayed out of trying to describe reality or Knowledge itself. They are now overlapping, and all kinds of issues are coming up, but believe me, if we have not done and been absolutely everything of dark and light up to these times, we will struggle and create physicality again instead of going to Freedom.

(I’m still ranting against the fact that some poor 'Me' had to live out all the dark that I refused, yet that had to exist or I could never have lived the light-side. But we came into this library to 'read all the books' and soon all the books of reality will really merge so we can see what we came for in the first place. I will not refuse the Me that was the murderess, that was the child-abuser, that tortured others to appease the Gods or just for plain fun.)

Though I hate to say it, the Wisdom starts in the dark of Satan, but should not be searched for, for it is a 'given' and the 'required to prove' is always the struggle to light, to Luzbel. They are the opposites of One Being, and neither can hold manifestation in existence without the other.

So I say 'Yes, take Jagdeo to court and make him face the music!' He should never have allowed that dark reality to be brought into presence when he had the gift of Knowledge of the breath. And in what reality will the court-case happen, if I now do not concentrate on that dark episode? This is not an allowance on my part, for we all know there are definitely dark doings in our present reality. Struggle against the Dark merely reinforces it ... so we do what we think is correct, and my correct is breath, which must undo my steps or push me forward - whatever I need, to understand.

Don’t forget http://www.riosabeloco.com/ - Sabe’s Realm especially. All this Knowledge is already in our cells.

Thanks again,
Love
Mum
p.s. If you want to read the simple extracts of Maharaji’s speeches that I get, mail to infoEV@cantv.net in Spanish, and stipulate that you’d like to receive the ongoing English extracts. He still lights up my life, though I have been through a few 'suspensions' as far as absorbing all His words - I finally see what He means, for me. He’s a friend, and not a God, but if He had not presented himself in my reality as a God-figure, I would not have been able to leave Catholicism ... I had a bit of difficulty with the fact that He was married, and so young - kind of like wanting God to have a beard, and then settling for just a moustache!!!! Huh! This really is a River of Crazy Wisdom!

As for the Breath - just grab it and run with it!

...
End of e-mail.

I'm going to add something here, for there is no way we will accept justification of a reality where our children have been abused, if we are parents.

I have found that forgiveness is not where it's at, for there is no forgiveness in a 'levelling' sense. The only way to live with treason is to know that somewhere, we have done the same. We can only look to ourselves as parents and discover why we allowed the reality to manifest, or why that child chose to allow us to see what we once were manifesting while we thought we were really connected to that which rearranges all atoms around us so we can continue in light. The rearrangement allows all that we sustain in belief to manifest, especially if we are really concentrating on its opposite.

This next part is even more difficult to swallow, but we have entered a universe that is in fact a slaughter-house where we must kill even to eat, and we should wake up to that fact first, for it seems that a soul in this universe will not sustain existence unless trauma awakens it. We must push against something in order even to walk, and the total picture brings so many tears that we can only turn to loving ourselves so much, just for the fact that we are truly trying to see why we came here.

The very beings that we most cherish, our children, our manifestations of part of our own beings that we wanted to study, become too many, and war through overcrowding always looms as the inevitable result. That is the ongoing story we live till we can see it.

I know now that I have not come to judge this universe, but to know it, and each of us is a true universe. In Margarita, Maharaji explained that there are some that will leave this world. I know that it depends only on me, if I can do that.

There is no saviour, but from something we must draw our substance, and I thank Maharaji for allowing me to gaze on his electronic blueprints as I concentrated on him, for the camera imprints its own image into the same wall it is photographing.

Ascension is a word that means more strife to me, for he who does not live out the physcical state can never know it in truth, and will be pushed down into it, eventually, as realitites again merge. On any plane in this universe there will be the dark beings, and the light beings, for there is no other way to manifest 'being' in a Source-universe. Source means food. I do not wish to be a being of either category on any density.

My thanks to those who wrote of the Jagdeo-abuses, for they have done a beautiful work by exposing that realities are merging, yet they have always been entering since I received Knowledge, and even before that, the only difference being that now, I notice.

A few weeks ago, a premie phoned to tell me Maharaji had read from a script at one meeting. That is something he never does to my knowledge, and has stated that fact. I immediately countered with 'It seems you have touched a reality where Maharaji is now cloned.'

Detachment has no meaning unless we have lived out total attachment. I could not be detached from family. I had to be forcibly rejected by all I was attached to, till I understood that Detachment was the one promise that was given to me in Knowledge.

Patricia.

I hope this helps.

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Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 01:56:41 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Realities ... Jagdeo
Message:

Patricia,
I find your suggestion that the parents of abused children have somehow committed 'treason' in their own lives and therefore attracted the energy of abuse, to be totally repugnant and disgusting. Shame on you for perpetuating such nonsense!

Some people are just evil and BAD and it has nothing to do with anything we ourselves do. This is narcisistic claptrap. I hope you will learn to think clearly someday. I fear for your son to be getting such a letter from his mother. Oh my god!

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:13:58 (GMT)
From: Pia Greenbum
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: So true, so beautiful
Message:

This is EXACTLY the kind of clear, spiritual message I need for my war against these amoebic morons. Please email it to me so I can add it to my website.

jai satchitanand

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:48:01 (GMT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Pia Greenbum
Subject: Hi Pea, pee, sorry, Pia
Message:

I have now the opportunity to tell you what I think about you. You are missing your (apparently, I have no proof) last days in this world giving him thanks for what you were born with, daaa, LIFE? Do you realize he doesn't give you anything and that he doesn't deserve credit for NOTHING but the chains with which he chained you?

BTW:What give you the right to call us ex-cult members names in your web site? Have you appologized in some place here?

Is your guru GOD?
Is your guru the LORD of hte Universe?
Is he the Savior of humanity?

No, he is a greedy bastard and a liar!

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:16:07 (GMT)
From: The Questioning Angel
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Could someone please arrange
Message:

an irony implant for Silvia?

Or is it, like, Silvia is throwing a double irony whammy and I'm completely missing the point?

Anyone still grasping for a definition of irony only needs to watch the elevator scene in Reality Bites.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:47:40 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: The Questioning Angel
Subject: Irony supplement are sorely needed -- yas n/t
Message:

n/t

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:40:53 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: The Questioning Angel
Subject: See my post to you above, Angel - ESL.......... NT
Message:

j

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:19:55 (GMT)
From: Pea Greenbrain
Email: None
To: Pia Greenbum
Subject: So true, so beautiful - I knew you'd like it, sis
Message:

I'm just channelling one of other my ''aspects'' right now and it says that you WILL SUCCEED in destroying these godless heathens.

PatC pretending to be a pea brain.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:40:43 (GMT)
From: Moronic Amoeba
Email: None
To: Pea Greenbrain
Subject: she can't hear you she's absorbed us and now
Message:

she's beamed up to the mother ship.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 18:56:13 (GMT)
From: PatC channelling Cosmic
Email: None
To: Moronic Amoeba
Subject: Ectoplasm - that was the sucking sound - burp NT
Message:

l

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 19:51:32 (GMT)
From: Mold, slowly being sucked
Email: None
To: PatC channelling Cosmic
Subject: My God - she's an absorber from THE OTHER SIDE !NT
Message:

X

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 15:39:55 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Here's your problem in a 'nutshell', Patricia
Message:

When I got Knowledge, I realised the only thing I knew how to do was breathe. Since then I have been dissolving belief-systems, but still have a lot more to go. Still, I know that the only thing I do know is how to breathe. That clarity of just breathing is what Maharaji allowed me to know.

Poor girl, looks like you've completely fallen for this most pernicious aspect of Maharaji's false teachings. Listen, it is not at all true that the only thing you know how to do is breathe. It is equally false that you could or would ever want to 'dissolve' all your belief systems.

I knew a guy once who took some LSD. He'd recently gotten contact lenses and was told how they could get stuck on one's eye if they dried out. Anyway, that night one of his lenses DID get stuck like that and he spent hours in the bathroom trying to get it off. No matter how hard he tried to get in under the edge it was just clinging like crazy and he couldn't pry it free. Finally, in the middle of the night, he drove to the hospital and went to Emergency. Waited and waited ... eventually he saw a doctor who took one look and advised him that, in fact, there was no contact there. He'd been trying to pry off his cornea!

Beliefs are an inevitable property of the mind which is an inevitable property of an operating human brain. You can no more strip them away than this guy could his cornea. You might as well be trying to strip away your skin. Too bad Maharaji tricked us into thinking that therein lay 'the path'.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:30:59 (GMT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: OH JIM -- That is so funny....Ha ahh, ahh, HAHAHA
Message:

Where do you come up with this stuff? So funny

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:11:30 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Patty Ann Johnson, PhD
Subject: Dinner is Served: It's dog eat dog At Johnson's
Message:

Abbatoir...
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This next part is even more difficult to swallow, but we have entered a universe that is in fact a slaughter-house where we must kill even to eat, and we should wake up to that fact first, for it seems that a soul in this universe will not sustain existence unless trauma awakens it.
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Try chewing twenty times on each side first, dear.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 21:44:57 (GMT)
From: SuchaBanana smOOthie
Email: None
To: geriatric gerrymanderji
Subject: hurry: git yer roasted carrot dogs,soyburgers! (nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 13:45:20 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Come again,Pat A. Johnston...
Message:

Pat-

I feel some sort of sincerity from your post, but to be honest, I could not understand about 90% of it.

Would you consider regrouping and re-thinking some of your thoughts/feelings and expressing them again?

I think you're trying to express something, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is!

La-ex

PS: One thing I would suggest: If you want to get to simplicity, and the 'magical knowledge of breathing', simply try some simplicity.
Maybe spend some time in nature, or with creatures that can't read scriptures, or think so much, like a dog or a cat...

I think you'd be better off staying away from the scriptures/concepts...

Best wishes...

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 15:28:21 (GMT)
From: Patricia A. Johnston
Email: Circe@yahoo.com
To: Everyone
Subject: 'Bye.
Message:

I broke my rule for Susan Haupt, for forums are always a mess when all who don't pay for phone-time on Internet just barge in and throw excrement, and most of them are adolescents in mind. I will sincerely reply to anyone that writes to me, using manners that I extend to all, but what's the point?

Convince me of your point, first by displaying your e-mail address, though I will only reply to personal e-mail and only when certain conditions are displayed.

I find no replies to my post that show any seeking, or finding, I merely point out that realities are merging - can you take them or not? Can you notice your feelings without judgement? To do it without 'feeling' does not count as learning unless you have already been pulling in those realities for some time, and accepting their existence.

In fact, I already know that all the replies, and the place of my post, are inaccessible = dead zones. My aspects are extremely 'powerful', they think, but only at interfering and keeping my information to themselves. The tell-tale sudden switching off of my Internet, and the pause to readjust, says all.

Perhaps I still believe those aspects can be turned around and see something more than belief-system rationality. However, they are almost stripped to the bone in devolution, and have no Logic to make their understanding worthwhile. Every few months I
foray again into trying to communicate with others. Control of the microchip is always displayed, and my information, very alive, reaches only dead zones.

So, why do I try? The morphogentic grid is made up of all our mass-mind systems. It matters nothing that I reach no individual for communication. It is enough that I write. Anyone that seeks can tap into what I have condensed as information - it's how reality works. In other words, it is enough that it has been expressed, not who expressed it or who reads it.

Forays are therefore my way of tapping into the belief-systems of those same aspects, to notice them, and to know that, somewhere, I am just as blinkered, for we are living out all those realities, somewhere.

Hi Aspects! Some day the vibes will hit your blood, and the proverbial shit will indeed hit the fan, but you will be on another world of your own making and probably in a gastropod state. Sorry, but I can only absorb you if you have feelings. You are on your own, though you don't believe it. You still believe you have a saviour, but only because you have been told that.

If there is anything to be gleaned from my posting, for my part, it is this: All's well that ends.

So, Mmmmwwaaawww - share that amongst you! You are fooling no-one and can now forget the forum. I'm off, as usual.

Patricia.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:11:20 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Kewl sheeeeit! My Dead Zone just woke up!
Message:

got the same turgid feeling as when I see THIS!

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:38:04 (GMT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: This is a joke - eh?.....**BEST of FORUM**
Message:

Shit, Lady...If you're not comic relief, what is?

Thanks,,,laughter is sooooo good for the soul.

I couldn't even your posts, but I'm busted up anyways. DANG - You are good!

- Touche

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:58:09 (GMT)
From: MissPrint
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: should read **BEST LAUGH on FORUM** /nt
Message:

zzz

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 23:13:19 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Patricia's email address is wrong
Message:

Just tried to email Patricia, but her email addess doesn't exist. Do you think she/he was playing games here?

John.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 23:22:49 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Patricia's email address is wrong - yes it's fake
Message:

Yes, I do. It was too nutty of a post to be serious or else she needs new fillings because she's picking up static from Mars.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 23:50:06 (GMT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: psycho
Message:

She needs some serious help if it was 'for real'

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:11:22 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: psycho or a budding writer for SNL
Message:

Got your email. Nice pics. Thanks.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 19:21:26 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: 99 percent of us don't believe in saviours
Message:

... including la-ex, who you responded to. That's the whole point. You've got it all mixed up, I think, but I respect you for trying.

If you are a premie, you're the one with the saviour issue.

--f

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:53:47 (GMT)
From: Moldy Warp
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Patricia.. Listen. The New Age is like the Dark
Message:

Ages...or the Middle Ages... REALLY...
I think you should give some thought to what it was like to live in a time when belief systems did not have to pass ANY test of rationality.
On the other hand, why am I paying to be on the net to talk to you... you have probably returned to the mother ship by now.
(Patricia: Hi Aspects! Some day the vibes will hit your blood, and the proverbial shit will indeed hit the fan, but you will be on another world of your own making and probably in a gastropod state. Sorry, but I can only absorb you if you have feelings. )

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:24:13 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Good riddance, newage bubble girl!
Message:

Your so lost in newage confusion it probably doesn't matter what anyone says here. But, if you're still reading, know this: judgement is as inevitable and necessary a part of human existence as is having beliefs. We all judge and we all have beliefs. Unfortunately for you, you're stuck in some sort of new age fantasy where you can't call a spade a spade and deal with matters directly. But as for beliefs, what the hell you think THIS is?:

The morphogentic grid is made up of all our mass-mind systems.

or:

Can you notice your feelings without judgement? To do it without 'feeling' does not count as learning unless you have already been pulling in those realities for some time, and accepting their existence.

or:

Some day the vibes will hit your blood, and the proverbial shit will indeed hit the fan, but you will be on another world of your own making and probably in a gastropod state.

You're stinking of hypocrisy but have lost your sense of smell. Very, very newage. Too bad.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:15:38 (GMT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Patricia....
Message:

Most of us have tried to give serious feedback. I must say you are a little hard to understand. I do think it is a good thing for you to spend more time in nature and with some nice animals.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 13:20:22 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Realities ... Jagdeo
Message:

Thank you for caring about this Patricia. A lot of your post I can't really understand, but I am glad you are offering support about Jagdeo.

thanks.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 11:43:39 (GMT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Realities ... Jagdeo
Message:

Dear Patricia,

thank you for expressing a concern about the Jagdeo issue.

Abi

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:55:15 (GMT)
From: nagual rain
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Realities ... Jagdeo
Message:

thanks for this very refreshing post....
actually i start to believe it's waste of time posting here,
when people are not interested in different realities they
are bound down to what they perceive as reality and their
reality is that there is nothing else than this physical
universe and that every teacher is a fraud....but what also
bugs me is that maharaji is on this non-spritual non-religion
trip now, so he actually is on the same level as those exes..
looks like they both have bad karma..maybe it's time for another
earthquake to tell the earthlings they are CREATURES still..
and there are LORDS who have created them..they have not fallen
out of the void..maybe i should include myself also..WE are all
creatures of a higher intelligence and as long as we think we
are the masters on this planet, the masters will teach us a
different story..make it or break it..spirit will guide you you,
prempal , the exes and nagual rain alike, regards

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 13:05:29 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: nagual rain
Subject: You're inventing situations
Message:

Nagger: here (people's reality) is that there is nothing else than this physical universe and that every teacher is a fraud...

I think you will find there is wide disagreement among posters here on the first point you make. Even a little sincere effort on your part would have show you that posters here have various philosophies. To name a few... objectivist materialism; buddhism; pantheism; and diverse sorts of theism.

As for the second (every teacher is a fraud) you just made it up. I guess your naughty MrMind played a little joke on you just to make the rest of us laugh, right?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 09:15:28 (GMT)
From: mark fury
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: drink koolaid,believe in jesus,eat cheerios
Message:

and u r talkin out uranus.by the way,the material plane called, it seems your reality check bouncedmaybe you should get your crown chakra out of your ass and get a hobby or godesss forbid a real job ! besides which GUMBY IS OUR TRUE LORD AND MASTER !u must focus your cheese asshopper when u can take pebble from hand u can leave the temple

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 08:33:42 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: choking on new age psychobabble from other people
Message:

you and sandy together could found the Church of Confusion From Trying To Live As Other People Tell You You Should.

I was where you are now, about ten years back. I finally snapped, hit the limit and kicked it all out of me. I am what I am. It works. reading your letter is torture. Knowing how far you are reaching, for something that's already yours without needing to try, is ludicrous.

Throw away the books and the tapes and the seminars and the videos. Quit listening to people and quit parroting their whacked theories.

Go get out in nature alone and rid yourself of all of it. You're you. Be normal. Be ordinary. Stop trying to be anything and just go back to being what you are. It doesnt take thinking or trying. Just do it.

you poor thing. snap out of it.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 19:16:42 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Brilliant, janet
Message:

I know that Patricia means well, and I respect her from the bottom of my heart for that, but like Pat said, the post is scary. I found Michele Deradune scary too, although I really got to be fond of her after a while. But she never ceased to scare me.

This scares me too. On one hand, I hope her post is a joke, although it would be insulting to Abi and Susan if it were. On the other hand, if this is what she really thinks, I'd need a machete to get through the jungle of her mind.

I think you pegged it, janet. You saw a light in the jungle.

love, f

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:51:49 (GMT)
From: pemieji+1
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: choking on new age psychobabble from other people
Message:

if you are the same janet that threatened to break m's bones one by one earlier on, so that he could feel the pain....then you should get help before you snap again....you need to get to a rainbow gathering and heal....you are not wise so stop handing out advice...get help....the current psychobabble is you.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 04:32:07 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: pemieji+1
Subject: Wot no spam tonite?
Message:

I guess you're trying a different tack, seeing as the spam and email to the FAs didn't bring you the attention you think you deserve.

What, coffee keeping you awake? They must make it strong there;)

FA

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 02:30:23 (GMT)
From: Silvia Sommer
Email: None
To: pemieji+1
Subject: And who are you? Who asked your opinion?
Message:

loser!

Brake free: YOUR GURU LIED TO YOU!

He tells you you are free but you are not!

I hear your chains in your words.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:50:10 (GMT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: pemieji minus 1
Subject: Why stop at the limbs? --- Flake off, loser---nt
Message:

zzzz

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:51:47 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: pemieji+1
Subject: Psychobabbler!! You didn't answer me
Message:

premijiplus1: you guys are being used by the press which doesn't understand the first thing about enlightenment....but is a master-manipulator....

JohnT: you premies are being used by Rawat who doesn't understand the first thing about enlightenment....but who is a master-manipulator...

And you accuse others of psychobabble? Funny guy!

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 00:53:52 (GMT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Hi JohnT -- (Personal message OT)
Message:

JohnT, please email me. I'm going to grab a bite to eat before class and will only be here another 15 min.
stars@uvic.ca

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:56:20 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Patricia says: Wisdom starts in the dark of Satan
Message:

Either this is Thelma pretending to be a premie in order to show just how sick MANY of them are or this is really one sick sick fucked up soul.

Well, we all know it isn't Thelma. If this is you Jim or Nigel or JohnT or Suchabana or Janet pretending to be an insane premie then please cut it out. It isn't funny. I know too many PWKs teetering on the edge of this sort of insanity.

There've been quite a few here too - Hanuman/Sumo Boy, Bjork or whatever, Cerise (the bubblegum chewing satanist teenager.) People like this are for real so please guys don't make satirical pretend premie posts. Leave that to the real ones.

Geezus HH! What if it is a real live dim bulb! You've just pissed on your filament, Patricia, and put it plum out!

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:46:57 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Er, Pat
Message:

PatC: If this is you Jim or Nigel or JohnT or Suchabana or Janet pretending to be an insane premie then please cut it out. It isn't funny. I know too many PWKs teetering on the edge of this sort of insanity.

I can read Jim (he makes me laugh); and Nigel (he's just soo COOOL); and JohnT (I'm narcisistic); Such (love his humanity and idealism); and Janet (anger so well expressed).

But, Pat I can't read Patricia A. Johnson. And you think I could write it...

Sheesh.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 17:36:05 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: John, I thought maybe you used a NewAge-olizer
Message:

But maybe P Johnson simply put a tampon commercial through the New Age-olizer and her post was the result.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:12:40 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Funny you should mention that.
Message:

I was sketching out on my head how to write such a program. I don't think it would be tooo difficult. Unpleasant, perhaps, but not too bad technically.

D'you think you could tell the difference between the ravings of such a program and the more teetering PWKs? We did have one chakra onanist here (went under the name of shroomananda - until the silly arse outed himself...) who *failed* that 'Turing Test'.

It was a great shame what happened to Alan Turing. Such a loss caused only by people's hateful prejudices.

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Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 16:59:50 (GMT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: NewAge-olizer may work for non-premies but
Message:

These ''on the edge'' premies have spritual Tourette's Syndrome and no computer program can accurately mimic that.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 17:41:12 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Very funny (nt)
Message:

ddddddd

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 08:46:08 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: and arti says medit. begins in the form of our
Message:

master'

what's a girl to do?? who do you believe, these days?
*sigh*
gossip is so upsetting, isn't it, thelma? Ya wanna go shopping and just forget all this nonsense?. It makes my head hurt. I know this great little shoe store...and afterwards, I know where we can get the most INTENSE chocolate desserts....
c'mon-- I'll drive!

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 08:51:44 (GMT)
From: PatC channelling Thelma
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: I wish to god you had written Patricia's post
Message:

as a spoof!

Yes, dahling, let's buy some shoes. Don't she just give you the screaming meemies? Who does she thinks she be?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:54:25 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Maharaji's poison
Message:

So this is what it means to be a premie. No wonder I left in 1983. The last bit about detatchment is ridiculous. Mind you, so is the rest of it. Is this the sort of stuff that Maharaji teaches after 30 years?

But I can also speak my own new age speak:

If one lives on this physical plane and purports to be detached from it then the result is that one becomes attached to a mind numbing, ridiculous and poisonous new age philosophy which can cause other people (including one's family) to be immediately detatched from you and run a mile.

Maybe that was the reason this person's family rejected them. So once again, Maharaji's poisonous philosophy prevents yet another person from simply enjoying a normal existence and being with their nearest and dearest.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:18:51 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: Welcome to the Twilight Zone
Message:

Just two questions:

Why do you capitalize the *H* in He, His etc referring to maharaji?

Do you have any more of whatever it is you're smoking?

Hope you don't have to drive or operate machinery for the next few hours luv:)

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 15:34:34 (GMT)
From: MK
Email: None
To: Bazza
Subject: I'll take question 2) again Baz
Message:

he he, yes, I was wondering the same thing. I'm sitting here zonked already and while reading Patricia's post I totally tripped out, I couldn't grok her, couldn't tell if it was new age shyte, god talking, a lovely wise woman, a spiritual giant, a mad woman, a devout Christian, a dumb premie, a totally realised premie, a confirmed ex-premie, who what where? She had me on the major roller coaster there, but I think she landed the craft safe back at base and we finally climbed wearily out. I feel she is very sincere about what ever it is she's trying to say. So it's a good read, especially stoned because then the zany bits make perfect cosmic sense. If only dear Janet would jetison some anger, she'd probably come up with stuff as confronting and honest as this, she definitely has the talent, but is a little bit uncomfortable a read lately. (hug>> Janet!)
Still, I guess this isn't the local library...we read here at our own risk, maybe that's the thrill.
Sandy, I tremendously enjoyed you post above called 'new age' which was informative and fascinating, thanks.
Marolyn K

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 16:05:14 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: MK
Subject: Just curious ......
Message:

Sandy, I tremendously enjoyed you post above called 'new age' which was informative and fascinating, thanks.

What exactly did you learn?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 17:15:41 (GMT)
From: MK
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Mainly this...
Message:

The paragraph before it intrigued me, so I was concentrating properly by the time I got to...

'I recently did a video shoot in NYC for a very large investment firm. The assembled companies represented were involved in global energy creation and distribution, big stuff, Ann Rand novel stuff. Companies like GE, Ingersoll Rand, Siemens... You would have smiled at the fact that so many of the largest companies on earth who deal in energy are so into hydrogen fuel cells, wind and solar farms, heat collectors etc...
As I stood there in the back of the hall, watching all this through my trusty Ikegami viewfinder, I realized I was watching the physical manifestation of a Whole Earth Catalog that I read while in college some 30 years ago. These big guys let the hippies and the wackos and the 'new agers' do all the testing and trial and error stuff over the last few decades, then jumped into it more recently when the politics and the money and the public atmosphere (and the actual earth atmosphere) was at an almost breaking point. Now it's accepted and will become the norm'.

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Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 17:45:11 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: MK
Subject: I only hope that's true (OT)
Message:

And not just some 'window dressing' to keep them in compliance with some federal regulation or other. I've observed the government and political process, especially here in the US and in my home state, enough to be a semi-hopeful cynic. Hopeful that capitalists will find it profitable to do what is actually the right thing for society. Because if they can't make money on it, if they are not checkmated, they will only look at the bottom line--profits for their shareholders.

But of course, these companies can see that, on a global level, we will have to find alternative energy sources. So how do they come in?

These companies would rather sell you oil and gas, which are sources of energy that they can charge for, or, in the alternative, sell their technologies and products to big companies that charge for the energy produced. If solar power continues to get more sophisticated, put the panels on the roof and say bye-bye to anyone but the company that repairs the panels or will sell you new ones.

So of course, the capitalists have to get into the solar and wind energy production and technology, in order to try to steer the funding, research and technology toward -- something they can control and sell. So that no one is making affordable panels that you can put on your roof and say bye-bye, for example. GE? Forget it baby. There's no hint of altruism there.

--love, f (only a flowerchild when it comes to actually loving flowers)

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Date: Thurs, Jun 14, 2001 at 07:10:36 (GMT)
From: Excuse me, due back
Email: None
To: Patricia A. Johnston
Subject: on planet Earth nt
Message:

z

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