JHB -:- To Catweasel, and any other Premies -:- Wed, May 09, 2001 at 22:44:52 (GMT)

__ CW -:- To Catweasel, and any other Premies -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 01:43:22 (GMT)

__ __ JHB -:- To Catweasel, and any other Premies -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 05:14:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ G -:- So what did you sing to him at Amaroo? Arti? -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 23:58:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ CW -:- So what did you sing to him at Amaroo? Arti? -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:36:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ G -:- So you worship Prem Rawat as God incarnate -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 16:34:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Larkin -:- Arti - the updated lyrics... -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 18:37:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- ****BEST OF LARKIN*****NOMINATION n/t -:- Sun, May 13, 2001 at 22:46:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gary E. -:- LARKINS REVISED ARTI SHLD BECOME EPO'S PERMANENTLY -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 20:13:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- Why don't you get a teddy bear? -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 16:55:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Did you also sing: ''You are my mother?'' - NT -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:22:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Did you also sing: I saw you crying in the chapel -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:45:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- CW's evasions tell their own story yet again (nt) -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 18:43:16 (GMT)

__ __ Sam Hardy -:- To Catweasel, and any other Premies -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 04:08:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ CW -:- JHB, Sam Hardy et al -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 07:19:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ JHB -:- This Forum -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 07:49:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- CW's evasions tell their own story well enough(nt) -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 13:57:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Ignoring you is Commonsense not Evasion (nt) -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 07:53:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- The reason I try to debate with Catweasel -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:33:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Heart, my friend -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:48:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- My perspective's better than yours! -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 22:05:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- You think so? -:- Sat, May 12, 2001 at 00:35:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Yes I do think - you should try it! -:- Sat, May 12, 2001 at 05:02:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Yes I do think - you should try it! -:- Sat, May 12, 2001 at 10:28:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- ...will still love the hit-and-run killer guru? -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 18:03:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gary E. -:- Catweasel, True Defender of the Perfect Master -:- Fri, May 11, 2001 at 21:42:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- This Forum -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 08:04:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Precisely, Jethro -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 08:50:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Precisely, Jethro -:- Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 21:17:52 (GMT)

Date: Wed, May 09, 2001 at 22:44:52 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Premies Subject: To Catweasel, and any other Premies Message:

Do you bring new people to Knowledge? This is a serious question. If Knowledge is the real thing, then I am sure the answer is yes. So, second question - how many people have you brought to knowledge in the last 10 years? Also, how many of your non-premie friends and colleagues have been invited to video events, and what proportion have attended? I suppose what I'm trying to ask is, 'Are you proud of following Maharaji?'. John.

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 01:43:22 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: JHB Subject: To Catweasel, and any other Premies Message:

Yes You would be shocked Yes I am proud of M

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 05:14:27 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: CW Subject: To Catweasel, and any other Premies Message:

Fair enough, Cat, so if you're proud of Maharaji, you'll have no problem in telling me how many people you've brought to Knowledge in the last 10 years (must be dozens at least). Also, tell me how your colleages and non-premie friends react to being invited to, and attending, video events. Also, if you're really proud, you'll have no problem posting under your real name. Don't you agree? So, Cat, numbers, reactions, and real name. Prove to me you're proud of Maharaji. Also, I asked you below if we met in Leeds. Did we? John Brauns

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 23:58:00 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: CW Subject: So what did you sing to him at Amaroo? Arti? Message:

CW, Come on now, if you are proud of m and your 'relationship' with m, surely you are not ashamed to share a few lines of the devotional song called 'Arti' that you sang to him at Amaroo. You said before that you can't remember all the lines. Ok, fair enough, but how about a few lines? If you couldn't remember any of the lines, how could you have sung Arti to him? I don't know, maybe you need some help remembering. The Arti that was sung to him years ago (by many premies twice a day) is shown below (from the Arti page on this site). I asked you before if you sang 'You are the superior power in person' to him and you said you did not. Well I didn't remember correctly (a good sign!), the line was actually 'Our Lord is the superior power in person I bow down before such a wonderful Lord.' Did you sing this to him? Note also that after singing Arti to m, we would bow down before him. Did you bow down before him after singing Arti to him? So did you sing this song to him at Amaroo? Which lines are still the same and which are different? I would suppose the Hindi lines have been removed or translated. Care to supply some details? If you don't answer, we can only assume that you sang something close to this as part of your practice of 'Knowledge'. What were you saying before, that 'Knowledge' is only about your personal experience? But later you said it is a 'package deal', I suppose this song is part of the package. Are you proud of this song? Arti: Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo-Maheshwara, Guru sakshat, Param Brahma tas mai Shri Guru vai namaha. Dhyana mulam guru murti, Puja mulam guru paduka Mantra mulam guru vakyam, Moksha mulam guru kripa. Meditation begins in the form of our master, Adoration begins at the feet of our lord, Concentration begins in the words of our master, Liberation begins in the grace of our lord. Jai Gurudev Maharaj Ji Your glory fills the world Protector of the weary and the weak You bring the death of attachment You bring the mind true detachment Save us from the ocean deep Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Creator, Preserver, Destroyer Bow their heads and pray to You All bow and pray to You Scriptures sing Your glory Heaveny hosts sing Your praises Your virtues are ever true Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Chanting, fasting, charity, austerity never bring you knowledge of the soul will never reveal your soul without the grace of satguru without the Knowledge of Satguru rites and rituals never reach the goal Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev In the river of bondage to maya All are swept out to sea All are sinking in the depths of the sea Guru's boat is the holy name Guru's ship is the holy word In seconds he has set us free Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Anger, desire, attachments Rob us of eternal life Take away our heavenly life Satguru gives us true Knowledge Satguru is eternal Knowledge The sword that kills our problem life Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Religions harp their own glories Call to follow their own path Welcome me to follow their own way The essence of all was revealed The seed of all was revealed I walk on the true way today Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Nectar from Satguru's feet is Holy and it cleans us of our sins So sacred in cleaning us of sin When he speaks, darkness flies away When he speaks, darkness cannot stay Doubts removed, new life then begins Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Mine, thine, Heart, Time Give them to the lotus feet of love Give them to the lotus feet of the Lord Give yourself to Satguru Sacrifice yourself to Satguru Be united with the blissful Truth Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Bible, Gita, the Koran Sing the glory of Your Name They all sing the glory of Your Name Angels sing Your great glory Heavenly hosts sing Your praises They find no end to Your fame Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Desires have robbed me and left me Trapped in the darkness of the night Yes, they've trapped me in the darkness of the night Guru gives holy Name and Light Guru gives Holy Name and Sight Cross the ocean by His Love and Light Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Many past forms you have taken Now we have come in your control Again You have come to save the soul In this time of darkness To lead Your devotees from darkness You have come as Hansa the pure soul Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Come to the shelter of Guru's grace Come with your heart and your soul Bring Him your heart and your soul Cross the worldly ocean Cross it by your devotion And attain the supreme goal Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Jai Gurudev Maharaj Ji Your glory fills the world Protector of the weary and the weak You bring the death of attachment You bring the mind true detachment Save us from the ocean deep Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev Our Lord is the maker of all things created He keeps them and brings them all home to his word Our Lord is the superior power in person I bow down before such a wonderful Lord. Twameva Mata, chaa pita twameva Twameva bhandu chaa sukha twameva Twamev vidya dravinam twameva Twamev sarvam muma deva deva Twamev sarvam muma deva deva Twamev sarvum muma deva deva You are my mother and you are my father you are my brother and you are my friend you are riches, you are wisdom You are my all, my lord to me. You are riches, You are wisdom You are my all, my Lord to me. Guru Maharaj Ji, my life is within You From You I was born and to You now I go Forever I'm Yours, my longing is endless This heart of mine aches to be one with You Forever I'm Yours, my longing is endless This heart of mine aches to be one with You Wherever I look, Your face is before me Your golden Love melts all my troubles away I give You my heart, for in You it will mellow Maharaj Ji my Lord, my life is Your play I give You my heart, for in You it will mellow Maharaj Ji my Lord, my life is Your play Oh wondrous Lord, my Guru Mahraj Ji Your grace is a river which flows on and on You fill my heart with Your Love overflowing Let me come home find my rest at Your feet You fill my heart with Your Love overflowing Let me come home find my rest at Your feet Twameva Mata, chaa pita twameva Twameva bhandu chaa sukha twameva Twamev vidya dravinam twameva Twamev sarvam muma deva deva Twamev sarvam muma deva deva Twamev sarvum muma deva deva Tasmey Shri, Guru Deva Deva Guru Vishnu, Guru Deva Oh my Guru Maharaji, you are all powerfull, there is nothing in this world you cannot do, you can do everything, kindly save me, kindly protect me, and thank you my Lord for everything.

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:36:20 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: G Subject: So what did you sing to him at Amaroo? Arti? Message:

G whiz! The third degree? I sang the song with affection and feeling. Words?It shouldn't be too hard to figure out how we could all, old and new sing the same song. You seem pretty bright. Put your thinking cap on. No , we did not 'bow down'. Why try and make it out to be anything other than what it was , a very sweet and enjoyable moment. If you are so keen on knowing what happened I could recommend attending. So much better to have your own experience.

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 16:34:39 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: CW Subject: So you worship Prem Rawat as God incarnate Message:

even though he is clearly not, as evidenced by the many revelations about his behavior and hard evidence of flagrantly excessive materialism (like his 106' yacht), also by a lack of evidence that he is. You sang Arti with affection (read devotion, idolatry) and feeling. Do you also believe that what it says is literally true? 'the same song.' So you are confirming that you sang Arti pretty much as it was sung before, I'm assuming with the Hindi words translated to English. 'No , we did not 'bow down'. Why try and make it out to be anything other than what it was , a very sweet and enjoyable moment.' Did you bow down before him to kiss his feet? Were you at the Poconos program years ago? We all bowed down before Rawat, right down to the ground. Maybe you didn't physically bow down this time after Arti, but you might as well have, you were verbally bowing down to him by singing this song to him. Do you really think anyone is stupid enough to believe it was only a 'very sweet and enjoyable moment'? Just a quick look at the words and one can see that is clearly a false statement. Consider 'Our Lord is the superior power in person.' Do you actually believe that Rawat is your 'Lord' and 'the superior power in person'? That is not just a sweet feeling, that's one hell of a wacky belief. 'If you are so keen on knowing what happened I could recommend attending. So much better to have your own experience.' Been there, done that, and I don't recommend attending. Rather than feeling an unrequited 'love' for some person I don't know, I would rather love the people who are actually in my life.

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 18:37:43 (GMT) From: Larkin Email: None To: G Subject: Arti - the updated lyrics... Message:

Vegetation begins in the word of our master Re-education begins at the feet of our lord Subjugation begins in the form of our master Humiliation begins in the grace of our lord. Jai Gurudev Maharaj ji Your glory fills your head Exploiter of the weary and the weak You know the power of entrapment You showed us all just what 'crap' meant Realization don't come cheap, Jai Dev Jai Satguru Dev Fabricator, self-server, destroyer Why do they bow and pray to you? Have they really nothing better to do? Guru gives true Knowledge Sign on right here at Mindwarp College Realization don't come cheap, Jai Dev Jai Satguru Dev Chanting, fasting, charity, austerity Will never bring you knowledge of the soul Will never reveal your soul Without the grace of Satguru WITH OR WITHOUT our rich fat guru Realization don't come cheap, Jai Dev Jai Satguru Dev In the river of bondage to Guru All are swept out to sea All are drowning there so blissfully Guru's boat is a holey one A 'watch yourself drown very slowly' one Realization don't come cheap, Jai Dev Jai Satguru Dev Anger, desires, attachments Are what being human's all about Things we couldn't really do without Guru don't like self-expression, But anger suppressed is depression TIME TO LOSE YOUR CHAINS, STAND UP AND SHOUT! (Jai Dev, Jai Satguru Dev) Jai Gurudev Maharaj ji Tell us please, what sets you so apart? Why should people even give a fart? Without the grace of Satguru We might all find we've a lot to do Science, music, poetry and art, Jai Dev, So long Satguru Dev....

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Date: Sun, May 13, 2001 at 22:46:32 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Larkin Subject: ****BEST OF LARKIN*****NOMINATION n/t Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 20:13:38 (GMT) From: Gary E. Email: None To: Larkin Subject: LARKINS REVISED ARTI SHLD BECOME EPO'S PERMANENTLY Message:

POSTED ANTHEM!! Great composin' Larkin

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 16:55:25 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: CW Subject: Why don't you get a teddy bear? Message:

You can love the teddy bear all you want, you can hold it, it won't ask you for any money, you won't have to travel to have a 'relationship' with the teddy bear, and you won't have to endure any silly team meeting where you discuss how to put the cloth on the trinkets table.

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:22:06 (GMT) From: PatC Email: None To: CW Subject: Did you also sing: ''You are my mother?'' - NT Message:

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:45:23 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: PatC Subject: Did you also sing: I saw you crying in the chapel Message:

Pat , I sang this You can knock me down Step on my face Slander my name all over the place But aha honey lay off of them shoes Just dont you step on my blue suede shoes OK you little mother?

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 18:43:16 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: CW Subject: CW's evasions tell their own story yet again (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 04:08:43 (GMT) From: Sam Hardy Email: None To: CW Subject: To Catweasel, and any other Premies Message:

'You'd be shocked' is an answer? Why don't you shock JHB with a number? If the Industrial Strength Church Ladies in PR were honest, they'd tell you numbers in the west are falling off. I know it's supposed be about quality, not quantity, but it's M who keeps bringing the numbers up. CW may be doing a sterling job in the recruitment department, but there's a lot of slackers in there. Or maybe people are more interested in re-cataloguing their teaspoon collection.

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 07:19:55 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: Sam Hardy Subject: JHB, Sam Hardy et al Message:

Who gives a flying Toss?Bounce off some other sucker. No we didn't John. My real name is Ernest Glyinski.

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 07:49:52 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: CW Subject: This Forum Message:

Cat, This forum is for debating issues surrounding Maharaji. The fact that I read here means I do give a flying toss, and I presume that you are also interested in the subject because you keep coming back. But then you demonstrate your unwillingness, or inability, to enter into a serious debate. Propagation is important to Maharaji, or at least he says it is. So if current premies post here, it's only reasonable to ask them about their personal experience in helping Maharaji propagate his gift of Knowledge. If you value Knowledge (and you've said that you do many times), and you are proud of Maharaji (you've just said so here), I cannot see any reason why you would not want to discuss your own personal experience of propagation. So why don't you want to talk about this? John.

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 13:57:31 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: JHB Subject: CW's evasions tell their own story well enough(nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 07:53:18 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Ignoring you is Commonsense not Evasion (nt) Message:

Not till hell freezes over would I waste breath on the likes of you Nigel

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 09:33:46 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The reason I try to debate with Catweasel Message:

The reason I try to engage in rational debate with Catweasel is not because I expect him/her to debate rationally. No, I've been around for long enough to know that that is extremely unlikely to happen. All we'll get from Catweasel is that it's about feeling, nothing else. No, the reason I do this is for anyone else who may be reading, who may be contemplating accepting Maharaji as their meditation teacher, or who may be contemplating rejecting Maharaji as their Master, or for whatever reason wants to know more about how having Maharaji as a teacher affects people. I think such people reading debates between exes and Catweasel would quickly reach the position that premies have no cogent arguments to support their belief in Maharaji. So I thank Catweasel for the service he/she performs. John.

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:48:24 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: JHB Subject: Heart, my friend Message:

Others may realise that you are just plain argumentitive

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 22:05:34 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: CW Subject: My perspective's better than yours! Message:

Remember, Cat, I've been a premie, and I've evolved. I know I can judge how others view these exchanges better than you can. Just look at your response above to the question about singing the words to Arti. 99.9% percent of English speaking people will see your response as evasion, but you seem unwilling to see that. Keep representing your master! Us exes need do very little to bring him down when he has supporters like you!:-) John

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Date: Sat, May 12, 2001 at 00:35:25 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: JHB Subject: You think so? Message:

Remember this JHB. You have your own subjective experience of life as do I . You show me absolutely no reason as to why I should share any information about my recent sojourn at Amaroo. Are you asking so you can put a positive spin on things that I discuss with you (here on this 'public' forum!) Or do I play the role of a convenient launch pad for any number of tyrannical raves from those who have looked in on what was originally a conversation between G and me? Do you see Tony Blah racing over to Conservative headquarters and giving Haig an outline of Labours National conference? How silly do you think I am? As for that snivelling low life gutter rat Nigel - next time you somehow get thru immigration at Sydney Airport , why not meet up with me and find out who you have been abusing for 2 years. I think you would melt on the spot , choke then crawl away and hide under the furniture. Sweetie, you are such a violent aggressive little man..... Finally for anyone who thinks I'm here as right hand man to King Richard , flying in the face of the infidels , a true crusader....think again. A true defender of the 'Faith' requires one base foundation , faith and belief. I have neither and dont function from that perspective.K is tangible, real,incomprehensible My understanding was that according to the Forum intro, this is an open forum. So I just mosey along

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Date: Sat, May 12, 2001 at 05:02:17 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: CW Subject: Yes I do think - you should try it! Message:

Hey, I started this thread, not you and G, and you never answered my question. Reasons why you should? Well, you said it, you're proud of Maharaji, and believe Knowledge is a good thing, so you must have told all your non-premie friends and colleagues about him and it. Why not boast here about how successful you've been at propagation, and that your friends and colleagues can understand what we foolish exes have failed to understand. OK, I'll be straight about my motives. I believe you haven't told anyone about Maharaji and Knowledge for years. This is because you have a 'normal' life and don't want your normal friends and colleagues to know that you're in a cult. I just wanted to get you to admit that - that was my motive in starting the thread. But this thing about the experience of meditation proving anything should be challenged. I had top-drawer experiences in meditation (both before and after coming across Maharaji) and believed that they proved that Maharaji was the Superior Power in Person. I now no longer believe that, but instead believe that Maharaji is using the fact that many people can experience stuff from meditating, to con people into thinking it comes from him. Is there anything you can say, given that I appear to have had similar experiences to you (of course I can't prove that except to say that a few years ago I could have said the same things as you with total sincerity), to change my mind on this? John.

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Date: Sat, May 12, 2001 at 10:28:13 (GMT) From: CW Email: None To: JHB Subject: Yes I do think - you should try it! Message:

You seem to be a person much taken with the meaning of language. I know a number of English people. They seem to be far more rigid and rule bound than you could ever be here in Oz.K to me is unfathomable. It is without explanation. To me it doesn't prove a thing. It simply is. And I like it. All I can say about your estimation of me is that it is way off track. Think of it this way. Anomnity is universal. I give no clues. For anyone. Good luck

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 18:03:42 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: CW Subject: ...will still love the hit-and-run killer guru? Message:

Fuck off.

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Date: Fri, May 11, 2001 at 21:42:18 (GMT) From: Gary E. Email: None To: All Subject: Catweasel, True Defender of the Perfect Master Message:

See, CW is here because he is the lone prophet in the wilderness of EPO defending his dear loving Master against all comers. Real faith you see is blind. Or is it? Maha himself said there was no need for blind faith because no-ledge was the proof-in-the-pudding. Can we therefore judge Maha by his actions? Well, unfortunately Maha breaks the pudding mold because the rules that apply to the rest of us wankers do not apply to him, he is above it. Well how about reason then? Sorry, no-ledge is the path of the heart and discernment is merely a boulder in the way. Love is blind - aha, so true. So CW, enjoy the gift and feel your devotion. All of us here have. May you continue to grow in love and be bound ever so tightly to his holy lotus feet but feel free to return if you feel stepped on. Gary

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 08:04:32 (GMT) From: Jethro Email: None To: JHB Subject: This Forum Message:

Hi John, CW is a liar and a coward. I just can't understand why people here still converse with him. His anonynimity makes him a total non-entity here. Being a cult member, divine deception(telling lies) is allowed. I don't believe he's brought 'anyone to knowledge'. If he had at least one of them would have posted here by now. He is proud of following a paedophille-protector(amongst other things); that puts him(cw) in the same ilk. Take care Jethro

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 08:50:06 (GMT) From: PatC Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Precisely, Jethro Message:

The anonymouse is obviously demented.

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Date: Thurs, May 10, 2001 at 21:17:52 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: PatC Subject: Precisely, Jethro Message:

Pat: Anonymousie *is* demented, but in a good way, and she hasn't posted here in ages. She'd eat Catweasel alive. Definitely a carnivorous mouse. She was apparently one of Jim's ashram cronies. I wonder what happened to her? --Scott

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