jonathan carr -:- Went to Dec. 8-9 Event -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 19:45:06 (EST)

__ the poor girl -:- better start running.. -:- Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:28:26 (EST)

__ Jean-Michel -:- This thread definitely *** BEST OF *** -:- Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 03:24:11 (EST)

__ Joe -:- Hi Jonathan -:- Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 01:15:35 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- Hi Jonathan, I liked your post -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 23:31:31 (EST)

__ Jethro -:- A suggestion -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:40:45 (EST)

__ PatC -:- Welcome and thanks for great post -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:35:38 (EST)

__ Nigel -:- Thanks and welcome.. -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:03:43 (EST)

__ __ jonathan carr -:- Re: Thanks and welcome.. -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:15:40 (EST)

__ __ __ Jorge -:- Hey that was my friend, Rabbi Katz -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:05:16 (EST)

__ Francesca -:- See Timmi's post below -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 19:59:05 (EST)

__ __ jonathan -:- Re: See Timmi's post below -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:34:41 (EST)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Welcome Jonathan! -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 21:55:42 (EST)

__ AJW -:- Bravo Jonathon. -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 19:54:05 (EST)

__ __ Jonathan carr -:- Re: Bravo Jonathon. -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:08:35 (EST)

__ __ __ RichMandrake -:- Jonathan..A Few Words about the '70s -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 21:29:45 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- That was a fantastic summary -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 23:11:05 (EST)

__ __ __ SC -:- Wow Johnny... -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 21:21:27 (EST)

__ __ __ __ SC appears to know you, Jonathan, -:- SC is a premie named David Roupell [nt] -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:06:41 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ SC -:- Indeed he does -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:17:46 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Then why not say your name? -:- Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 23:51:47 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- Pull your skirt down Patsy -:- Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 00:37:43 (EST)

Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 19:45:06 (EST)
From: jonathan carr
Email: jmc@peterson-ae.com
To: All
Subject: Went to Dec. 8-9 Event
Message:

I am thirty-five years old and my significant other introduced me to Maharaji. For the two years I've known her, she's been talking about Maharaji and knowledge. She received knowledge three years ago in Katmandu, in her country of origin, Nepal. We've been living together for one year. She is extremely into Maharaji, so last weekend (Dec. 8-9, 2001) we went to Miami Beach for an event. I didn't want to go, but the local rep was over at my house and she and my girlfriend were imploring me do it, so I thought, what the heck, and we booked our tickets.

On Monday, I decided to look into Maharaji on the internet. Not that I was ever all that attracted to his teachings. But I've been to some broadcasts and watched some videos over the past two years. But the event left me very dazed and confused. That's when I discovered this ex-premie site. It's wonderful how it encapsulates everything my 'doubt-maker' was thinking all along about Maharaji. I am Jewish, and it's sad how many Jews fall into these cults. But really I'm a particularly bad candidate for any cult other than the one I might start myself one day. Well, don't hold your breath.

Anyway, the event was held in the Miami Convention Center. It looked like maybe four thousand people were there. The people running the show were quite nice: the event price was $120, but we only paid thirty dollars for the both of us since e're kinda poor these days and we had to buy airline tickets. Saturday, M talked the usual baloney, basically 'pratice whether you want to or not.' The rest was just commentary like jokes about Clint Eastwood and maniacal drivers. Sunday he rambled some more and then sang a raga-type song to a dance beat. Also, his daughter performed some short, albeit beautiful, songs to start each program. Also, on Sunday two old-timers publicly praised M. First a British man, then a Black woman engineer from Washington DC.

Afterwards, there were so many people crying. A teenager in front of us stayed in her chair and cried and cried. My girlfriend cried. Even I shed a little tear. Why is that? Since then, I've had a low-grade headache. Must be M's screechy, high voice. But I have no doubt that I walked right into a cult with a very corrupt leader as the figurehead.

Now I really want to confront my girlfriend about this whole thing. Last night I subtly mentioned M's riches. She scoffed at that, saying it didn't matter to her. I also mentioned his wife Marolyn sleeping around. The fact that their marriage was on the rocks didn't bother her. My girlfriend always tells me to listen to my heart and not my brain. I described the palatial Malibu home, the $40 million dollar Challenger jet, Amaroo, etc etc, but she didn't care. I mentioned how donations from followers paid for everything, how M's mother fought against M having exclusive rights to teach K, etc. Nothing jolted her.

Does anyone have advice on how to handle this situation? My girlfriend has a framed picture of M with his gibberish writing on our dresser in our bedroom. She also wears a small locket with his face on one side and his toes on the other. She loves to watch videos and broadcasts. Most of all, she devoutly practices every single day. Would I be stupid for even trying to talk to her about the facts? Is there hope for our relationship? The good news is that I've been going to my Temple for Friday night services more and more. I think her belief in M has bothered me enough to do that, which is good, I think.

She tells me that accepting K doesn't preclude my belief in Judaism. But, from what I've read, one has to publicly declare an unbinding affection for M. I now think it is my religious background that prevents me from accepting K. So be it. But I'm wondering about the future of our relationship. I already told her when we first started dating that if we were to consider marriage, I wanted a Jewish home and Jewish kids. I also asked her to consider converting to Judaism. How can I feel comfortable in my own home with videos, broadcasts, and that puffy face? She agreed to all my requests. But she did tell me it would be hard for her to convert.

In conclusion, I would appreciate any help from people who convinced others of the falsehood that M represents. Or, if people have advice for those who live or lived with believers. Or just advice for people like me who contemplated receiving K, but were reluctant, and then found this website, which bolstered an ability to say enough is enough.

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Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:28:26 (EST)
From: the poor girl
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: better start running..
Message:

before she gets hooked to the most evil cult in the world: judahism!

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Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 03:24:11 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: This thread definitely *** BEST OF ***
Message:

Extremely interesting. Thank you Jonathan

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Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 01:15:35 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: Hi Jonathan
Message:

Suggestions:

Number one, take care of yourself. Under no circumstances get sucked in yourself, even if you think it's necessary to save your relationship. If you ever start thinking like that, the relationship is probably over.

Keep in mind that when push comes to shove your friend will probably choose M over you. I know that's hard to imagine, but it may well be true and it's important for you to realize that. That's part of the reason so many premie marriages fall apart, because there is a third person there, the imaginary friend, Maharaji, who continually emphasises that the "love" he has is superior to the "love" people share with each other. The flip side of that is that the "love" the two of you have is inferior in her eyes.

I think the best thing is to just be informed yourself and just pipe in when you think you can. Clearly, the sexual transgressions of Maharaji, as well as his failure to stop child sexual abuse in his cult (and moreover his current failure to try to rectify any of it) is quite damning, and something you might ask your friend to consider. In my experience, these revelations are sometimes strong enough to get premies to begin re-evaluating the whole trip. That's happened quite a lot, actually, and may get your friend to begin thinking for herself again when it comes to Maharaji.

Be yourself, be honest, be there for her, but realize she is in a cult, so she isn't thinking the least bit objectively about Maharaji. It's very hard for her to do that. For her to be where she is now took an immense amount of repression and discouting her own thoughts and she is probably used to doing that. So, you have to be careful, because she may begin to see YOU as the source of doubts and it might just end your relationship.

On the other hand, the vast majority of people leave the cult at some point. It's just hard to say when.

Good luck.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 23:31:31 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: Hi Jonathan, I liked your post
Message:

Wow dude, you really know how to introduce yourself. You have a lot on your plate right now, don't ya?

Gee, when it comes to relationships, nobody wants to be too quick to offer advice, because it's such a delicate matter. Best thing is to take it slow, but take it. Know what I mean? Don't let this topic and your newfound information sit on the back burner. It's important to make a stand and let your girlfriend know where it is and let her know you're willing to talk (that means words shared by the rest of our known society) to her about her experience and importantly, WHY she is saying what she says.

Premies diffuse requests for answers about knowledge by claiming there are no words. This true, for the simple reason that there are few words to express NOTHING.
Premies thrive in public programs mostly because of the group high and expectation. But are they that way without the group and cult leader?

Did you see your girlfriend differently at a program than you do the rest of the time? Does she credit Maha for every blue sky day and naturally pleasing moment? Does she seem easily confused by ways of this world? It's also very important to notice patterns of communication.

You need to be firm and consistant, yet open to listen, and best of all, loving. As a man and a potentially devoted husband, you deserve a loving and devoted wife. Devoted to you!!!! Not a swindler in Malibu.
Which, sadly, is true.

We are people who have been there and done that Jonathan. We know about the thought terminating jargon and how it works. have you read any of Rick Ross's stuff about cults? Really insightful man.

Here's a little suggestion: Perhaps you can give your girlfriend a copy of this article before laying all the EPO stuff on her. Get her to talk about the article. Then ask her another time to comment on the similarity of EPO material. She'll have 50% convinction which will be a good head start.

Lots of good stuff at Rick Ross' site. http://www.rickross.com/rickross.html

I linked you to go article to get started on his site at top of page

Good luck

p.s. RichMandrake was right. Majority of premies in ashrams were Catholics and Jewish. I was even told that when I was in the cult.
[ Public perception vs Research ]

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:40:45 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: A suggestion
Message:

Read up on all the stuff about m's representatives sexually abusing premies and children.
Present to your partner the allegations and see if she expresses any concern about m's silence on the whole issue throught the years.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:35:38 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: jonathan carr
Subject: Welcome and thanks for great post
Message:

I really enjoyed your post and hope to hear more from you and to get to know you better.

I hope (and am fairly sure) that your relationship will continue to grow and become a very special friendship like I have enjoyed for 20 years if that is what you want. If it isn't religion which is the problem, there's sure to be another - money, sex or in-laws. Look on the bright side: at least you don't have a mother-in-law. :) People don't change or learn all about each other overnight. Patience is the answer if the love is mutual.

The big difference between your fiancee and most of us here is that she is a Hindu first and a premie second. I lived with Hindu premies in South Africa where I was born and saw that there is quite a big difference between them and those of us who converted from Judaism or Christianity to Maharajism which is simply a Hindu cult just as Moonie-ism is a christian cult. Rev Rawat is a lot like a charismatic revivalist preacher to Hindus.

(BTW it seems that the largest group to become premies in the west were lapsed Catholics followed by Jews. Protestants seemed to find it a bit flambuoyant.)

It is also a cult in the tradition of Krishnaism; in other words it is a religion of bliss/ecstatic love and not of morals as is the Judeo-christian religion. It will be hard to shock your fiancee with the guru's corrupt behaviour EXCEPT perhaps the fact that he is NOT a vegetarian unless she has forsaken that part of her religion.

I'm not very judgmental or moralistic but there are two things about Rev Rawat that stick in my throat worse than the others. The main one is that he killed a Hindu premie in a car accident and ran away from the scene of the crime and let a lowly Hindu cult member take the rap and the other is his sexual abuse of his female students, specifically blonde western premies. I think your fiancee would be a bit insulted that he does not find Hindu women sexy. You can read about this latter corruption in Joe's post below.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:03:43 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: jonathan carr
Subject: Thanks and welcome..
Message:

Hi Jonathan. Hope you stick around - fascinating perspective you bring to things. We have a couple of regulars here who might be able to offer advice on your love-life predicament - Timmi and JohnT. Both non-premies with premie spouses. Both, I am sure, will relate to a lot you have shared here.

I think it is especially healthy for premies to read the thoughts of someone who walks in off the street like you have done - possibly jolts them back to a reminder of how the real world is, and how they themselves used to be. Yes, of course, M's talks are bland, banal, unfocused and unstructured. Empty. The filter of a real world pair of eyes is all it takes to see this cult for what it is.

Glad you dropped by, anyway. Cheers! (and hope you apply a similarly skeptical filter to your revisits to orthodox Judaism).

Nige the happy atheist.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:15:40 (EST)
From: jonathan carr
Email: jmc@peterson-ae.com
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: Thanks and welcome..
Message:

thanks so much! You're quite kind to welcome me. After all, I was afraid that bringing up this stuff might offend some people. As for my brand of Judaism, nooo, not orthodoxy! I am from the Reform branch. But it was funny. After the event, we went for a stroll down the crowded Lincoln pedestrian mall. There were Hasidic Jews there, handing out free menorahs and they asked if I was Jewish and if I wanted to don teffilin, which I did. They asked if we wanted to come back for a Hanukah party, which we did. Anyway, there I was among so many Maharaji followers, donning teffilin right in front of them. They must have thought I'm weird, which is really fine with me.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:05:16 (EST)
From: Jorge
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: Hey that was my friend, Rabbi Katz
Message:

Hi Jonathan:
I am jewish also, but not even reform, though I do have some hassidic friends, including the guy who assaulted you with the tefilim. Nice guy though.
Anyway, monotheism and M. are not really compatible. Why would one want to join a cult anyway?
I have an aunt (my favorite aunt) who is in the cult. It's very difficult to talk to her about it. last time I did, she got very upset and asked me never to mention it again. Too bad. Premies have to turn a blind eye to the facts, otherwise, their world falls apart.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 19:59:05 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: See Timmi's post below
Message:

She is in the same boat as you. Also John T (never a premie). I'm not sure where his website is. But I'm sure that other people similarly situated will put in there two cents to your post. You have my sympathy. My husband smelled the coffee before I did, and I was exiting by the time he was pretty completely disillusioned, so we didn't have to suffer over it.

Bests,

F
[ Timmi's post ]

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:34:41 (EST)
From: jonathan
Email: jmc@peterson-ae.com
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: See Timmi's post below
Message:

Thanks. I'm wondering about all the people at the event, and worldwide, who are causing others to suffer. At the face of it, there is no harm done to others, except that these fools leave others behind. My girlfriend's parents died when she was very young, and an older sibling and his family raised her. Now that she's in the US, she has two sisters living here, but both of them are opposed to M. So, she's kinda excommunicated from her family. If she and I split, then she's all alone. The people she would fall on would be other M followers. So, I feel an enormous guilt about not helping her get straight. Besides, I do love her and care about her. But many times even before now, I've seriously questioned our relationship.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 21:55:42 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: jonathan
Subject: Welcome Jonathan!
Message:

Dear Jonathan:

First, pay no attention to the troll below named ''SC.''

I first want to welcome you to the forum. It took great ourage to post. As others have told you, you are not alone.

My situation was opposite from yours. I was the premie. The year I left the ashram, Jan, 1981, I met my husband (never a premie) in October of that year. I was uninvolved for 16 years, but my belief system was very strong, I was indoctrinated during the heavy devotional, worship him as lord, era of the mid-to-late 70's.

In 1997 I tried to go back to Maharaji/ElanVital, I still believed m to be god, so believed that ''EvenInYourDarkestHourIWillNotAbandonYou'' bullshit. It took about a year or so before I just gave it all up, especially after coming to EPO and reading here.

My point is that my husband worried about me during that last year or so but he was patient. He knew what I thought m was: the Lord of the Universe.

If he had given me an ultimatum about him or m, I don't know what I would have done, in fact, we separated for about three weeks, but were able to work it all out. If the relationship is strong you will weather this out.

Just try to be gentle, don't force it, give her stuff to read that is not too confrontational.

It depends upon her belief systems. And my advice is worth what you paid for it:):)

You made me laugh when I read this:

But really I'm a particularly bad candidate for any cult other than the one I might start myself one day. Well, don't hold your breath.

Good to keep a sense of humor.

Well, take a deep breath and don't panic. Feel free to post again.

Best,
Cynthia J. Gracie

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 19:54:05 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: jonathan carr
Subject: Bravo Jonathon.
Message:

Thanks for that very insightful post. You seem to have your head screwed on properly. I wish mine was.

Lots of 'Christians' were gullible enough to join the cult, and even more Hindus. Your significant other is right, it's not about religion. It's about money and a Michael Jackson type character who thinks he created the Universe.

When I left the cult, my wife was still right into it. Here's what I did.

I printed loads of stuff from EPO out and let her read it.

It worked. She left the cult and became a Catholic Nun.

If it doesn't work with your significant other, I'd just accept the fact that she's into a nutty religion and keep your bank accounts seperate.

Anth, I lied about the Catholic nun.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 20:08:35 (EST)
From: Jonathan carr
Email: jmc@peterson-ae.com
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Bravo Jonathon.
Message:

Thanks, AJW. I'll give it a try. Maybe I'll start with the 14 objections. As for my head being screwed on properly, I don't think it's as properly tightened as you think. But I appreciate your help and advice. As for money, we already have separate bank accounts, but I'm worried. If she were to continue with Maharaji and we were to continue living together, what can I expect her to do with money? I have an idea: she spent some of next semester's tuition money on the event trip, but I did cover much of the expenses. Would she buy videos at the expense of, say, diapers?

Thanks again!

J

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 21:29:45 (EST)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Jonathan carr
Subject: Jonathan..A Few Words about the '70s
Message:

Jonathan,
I just read your Post and thought I'd respond with a word or two. Your wife received knowledge 3 years ago. This would be somewhat of a rarity in the United States as 'propagation' (the recruitment and intitiation of new people into the cult) has been almost non-existent here for most of the last decade or so. The Great majority of Maharaji followers were recruited in the '70s.

Because your girfriend has received knowledge so recently she may not be fully aware of the historical context for Maharaji's present deceits. In the early '70s until the early '80s Maharaji Strongly Implied Divine Authority and presented himself as the Lord God in a Human Form. In order to 'receive knowledge' many of us had to swear our belief in him as the Lord ..and take an oath to give our Lives to him and his service. Invoking his implied Divine Authority, Maharaji then suggested that we should all move into 'Ashrams' (monasteries for his devotees) and give all our worldly goods to him. He then enslaved many of us in servitude and poverty...Working for him..and giving him the fruits of all our labors (MONEY) which he used (and still uses) to live lavishly .

In the Early '80s (circa 1983) Maharaji disbanded the Ashrams throwing the residence of these ashrams out on the streets, for the most part with no money (having given it all to him) and little saleable job skills. He also changed his presentation such that he no longer overtly claimed to be the 'Superior Power in Person'. He asked that all Publications that had his previous presentation be 'returned'..For the most part, these publications were burned and buried...thus allowing him to deny that he had enslaved many of us through his claims of Divinity and Divine Authority to tell us what to do. (It was called 'agya' ..the Order of the Lord). He never explained any of this and left us to form our own tortured understandings and rationalizations.

This is all absolutely true. Most of the people you read who post on this forum lived through this period of Maharaji's Perpetration. Now Maharaji flat out denies that any of this happened. He runs a nice little religion that nets him beaucoup Cash and Lots of Power Adoration and Worship. It is not without payoff to his followers. Knowledge is a nice little meditation. The experience of a bunch of people focusing their energy and projections on Maharaji in a group situation is at times blissful..at times cathartic. But its ALL Based on Lies...Lies like Maharaji stating that he never claim to be 'the Superior Power in Person'..Lies like the techniques of knowledge and the experience of knowledge belong to Maharaji....and the Big Lie..that forms the Foundation for Maharaji's little Cult: That Maharaji is a Master of the experience of Life..worthy of respect and able to lead others in the path of realization. As you have most likely read, Jonathan the Truth is just the Opposite. Maharaji is a chain smoking woman abusing alcholic. He is petty, vindictive and immature. He is the exact opposite of what he portrays himself to be on stage..and he goes to GREAT lengths to hide all of this from his followers.

Your wife sounds like she is practicing a nice little religion..with some nice little payoffs. Except for the money she wastes seeing this guy, it may have very little negative consequences for her at this time. But that does not mean that it is not without long term effects. Maharaji has used and hurt many people badly. He has taken peoples fortunes..He has enslaved people in his servitude and in the false belief that one should spend their time listening to and following him.

You are a Jew. I am not, but many of my friends are and I have great respect for the Jewish tradition. It seems to be one of action and accomplishment. A friend of mine once explained to me that Jews are taught that their salvation lies in action..in accomplishment..in deeds...The whole sage of the Jewish people seems to support that. Jews are a prolifically accomplished people who have given much to the world on many levels. Premies (devotees of Maha) on the other hand have spent much of their life focusing their energy on sticking their thumbs in their ears and blindly following their master. Their Master still encourages only listening to him...He offers bliss and yet ultimately numbs people in a self fullfilling delusion.

Anyway, Jonathan, Ive started a rant..and that was not my intention. I Just wanted to say hi and maybe warn you that your girlfriend may not be aware of the full extent of Maharaji's deceit. And she may not want to know. Many people are content to keep and protect their delusions..It offers some safety and reassurance even while it stops any real growth. I hope this is not the case with your girlfriend..In any case...Thanx for coming on the Forum....and I wish you All the Best....Richmandrake..

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 23:11:05 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: That was a fantastic summary
Message:

Rich,

Please don't resort to self denigratation, that was not a rant at all. All of your points were excellent, concise, and purposeful.

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 21:21:27 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Jonathan carr
Subject: Wow Johnny...
Message:

Now you gotta be careful bro!

It'll be diapers one week, your Hanaka trust fund the next.
If you let this zealot girlfrind of yours loose any longer she'll start slushing money from the Bar Mitzvah social club Christmas fund to spend on expensive jet fuel and CD's recorded by the cult leader.

Dump her quick before she ousts you, she's only after your money!

Then talk to your Rabbi brother.

There again...I think his first suggestion will be NOT to seek guidence and counselling on such holy and religious matters from an internet chatroom.

BTW: I loved you work on the KTS site!!!

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:06:41 (EST)
From: SC appears to know you, Jonathan,
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: SC is a premie named David Roupell [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 22:17:46 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: SC appears to know you, Jonathan,
Subject: Indeed he does
Message:

But you don't...

do you Mr C?

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Date: Tues, Dec 11, 2001 at 23:51:47 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Then why not say your name?
Message:

If you know Jonathan then tell him who you are politely instead of skulking behind anonymity like a weasel.

No, I don't know you and I don't want to know you for reasons like this incident - sneaky and creepy, bro.

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Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 00:37:43 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Pull your skirt down Patsy
Message:

For your elucidation and ongoing education Pat, let me hereby inform you that in the HUGE cyberworld of newsnets, chatrooms and bbs there is a coded language understood by 'insiders' who also use code names to identify themselves to each other. It's all very simple and easy. We all know who we are. No use for 'real' names because this isn't the real world (sorry, but it really really isn't Pat) and we are all savvy and mature enough not to resort to threats of 'exposure' during disagreements or scurry hiding behind clique ridden forums where the status quo is status no go. You'll get the picture as time moves along. It's a much bigger picture than you think...

...but look, I understand. I know it must feel INCREDIBLY important to have made it as high up as 'assistant' forum administrator on a 28 bit unencrypted hotboards page!

It's a seriously high office Patsy, you go be careful now son!!!!

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