Jim -:- EV's death throttle? M's demise? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:55:41 (EST)

__ Hey JM -:- This is an important BEST OF F..nt -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 18:39:21 (EST)

__ Tonette -:- Yes! I hope the plane is next -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:11:12 (EST)

__ CW -:- In your dreams. -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 23:57:46 (EST)

__ __ The Maharaji of Malibu's -:- control is demonstrated here by CW -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:43:39 (EST)

__ __ Abi -:- Are you david harper? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:24:50 (EST)

__ __ __ CW -:- Re: Are you david harper? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:38:37 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Cat, maybe you can help -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:01:41 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Abi -:- you've met my Dad? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:11:24 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: you've met my Dad? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:33:49 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- That was not a fair answer! -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 08:24:59 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- It was an honest one. -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 08:38:07 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Who's Derek Harper? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 14:29:38 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- David Harper was the Question? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 15:53:56 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Abi -:- who are you? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 20:00:03 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Re: who are you? -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:13:05 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: who are you? -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:20:50 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- I just don't believe this! -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:47:32 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- I agree, Tonette. Bad CW! -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:36:55 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Tonette, CW is an architypal -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:30:15 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Absolute frogshit Jethro -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:24:48 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Like I've said to you before -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:38:52 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: Like I've said to you before -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:47:28 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Hi Abi (OT) -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 22:20:13 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: David Harper was the Question? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 17:14:19 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: David Harper was the Question? -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:15:17 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- So, you know me? Hmmmm... -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 14:57:42 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: So, you know me? Hmmmm... -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 22:01:35 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- You don't comprehend well... -:- Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 15:04:36 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- I plead guilty. I tend to be so righteous. -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:21:02 (EST)

__ __ jamet -:- woohoo-go tell the maha that!!! -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:20:38 (EST)

__ __ __ PatC -:- Nice one, Janet. Well put. Great! [nt] -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:26:48 (EST)

__ __ __ CW -:- Re: woohoo-go tell the maha that!!! -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:40:55 (EST)

__ JHB -:- What about the yacht? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 17:16:45 (EST)

__ __ Cynthia -:- What ABOUT THAT Yacht -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 15:10:33 (EST)

__ __ __ Tonette -:- Thanks Cynthia and JHB nt -:- Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:50:56 (EST)

__ __ Tonette -:- Gosh that would be fun to find out -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 08:40:07 (EST)

__ __ __ JHB -:- I'm not leaving -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:12:36 (EST)

__ AJW -:- Good Riddance. -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 15:56:52 (EST)

__ __ Pullaver -:- Minders -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 22:02:14 (EST)

__ __ Kelly -:- Re: Good Riddance. -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 18:41:56 (EST)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Jagdeo and Maharaji... -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 17:13:14 (EST)

__ Joe -:- His children threatened??? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 14:51:04 (EST)

__ salsa -:- Why? Where this number comes from? -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 13:04:26 (EST)

__ __ Moll of Mole -:- Re: Why? Where this number comes from? -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 16:11:04 (EST)

__ __ Jim -:- I'll try to find out -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 19:19:41 (EST)

__ __ __ silvia -:- Re: I'll try to find out -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:19:44 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- What a great post -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:40:30 (EST)

__ __ Anandaji -:- Security concerns -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 21:08:22 (EST)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- 1st metal detector was 96 or 97 -:- Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:42:41 (EST)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- Think it is very recent -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 21:16:27 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Anandaji -:- Re: Think it is very recent -:- Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 21:26:59 (EST)

Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:55:41 (EST) From: Jim Email: None To: All Subject: EV's death throttle? M's demise? Message:

The following information comes to us (via an ex) from a senior US EV person: As is well-known, EV's fundraising and income stream was severly impacted by the US terrorist attacks, after which numerous major donors lost their high-paying jobs or businesses, and others saw their incomes reduced drastically. The world 'Winds of Change Tour' done by Aussie honcho - sorry, team member - Greg Nunn late last year was all about winding EV back to near-nothing, and gradually closing it down in some regions. The move also involves getting rid of senior manager types and flattening the hierarchy, separating Maharaji from the organization, and 'going back to the simple heart experience' (again). However this move is also expected to seriously reduce incoming funds. Nevertheless it is seen as unavoidable given the criticisms of M and EV on the Internet, and the reasonably widespread animosity to the organisation within premie ranks. In its 30-year history, the two-pronged attack on income (the EV wind-down and S11) is unprecedented for the organization and for M personally. M's leased $45 million Gulfstream G5 executive jet is the world's leading ultra-long range business jet. It contains the most sophisticated technology available, a unique engine design and highly advanced communications capabilities, and unprecedented passenger comfort. It can travel non-stop for 6,500 nautical miles at speeds up to Mach 0.885 - making it the world leader in executive jets. Given that the G5 has astronomical monthly payments, and Amaroo has a debt of $US10 million, it is easy to see why conversations are being had among senior premies and PAMs about which assets will have to be sold off. Current thinking is that Amaroo is likely to go before the Gulfstream, as this would only inconvenience premies - whereas the loss of the Gulfstream would impact on Maharaji's own 24-carat, Royal Doulton lifestyle. Amaroo's running costs are just over $US500,000 annually, whereas the Gulfstream's are way over this. In immediate terms, the largest problem facing Amaroo is the growing withdrawal of loans by wealthy premies - loans which have propped Amaroo up since its inception. It is feared that the loan-withdrawals will become exponential - i.e. that the early withdrawers will panic others, who will then withdraw their own funds, and so forth. The Gulfstream is still in frequent use, so the betting is that it will stay. Amaroo, on the other hand, is almost a ghost town. All that's left are three paid staff, a skeleton crew of volunteers, outside contractors who have had to be brought in to fill the defectors' shoes, and a pile of old paperwork such as a drawer filled with yellowing confidentiality agreements (mandatorily) signed by premie workers in recent years. It's interesting to note that the 'Winds of Change' - i.e. wind-down - comes from a growing mood of disgruntlement among premies about the organization M has set up - though, with impeccable cult logic, only a minority blame M for this. The disgruntlement, in turn, comes largely from the revelations on www.ex-premie.org - which is becoming increasingly well-patronized by premies. So the effect of EPO has not only been to catalyse people leaving Maharaji. It has also caused a significant withdrawal of funds and labor by those who still call themselves premies. So far as the official attitude to EPO goes, it is the view of EV PR, and Bonthous and Associates, that the Jagdeo revelations are significantly the largest PR problem Maharaji and EV face - both outside and inside premiedom. The problem is seen as long-term. The Jagdeo allegations are now accepted within the senior ranks of the organization as likely to be true. And it is clear to senior organizers and ordinary premies alike that M's role in failing to act, then covering up, is now fairly hard to deny. Officially Jagdeo has 'gone back to his village', though it's unknown if this is true. Jagdeo having now disappeared, instead of being called to account for his apparent misdeeds, is merely the latest evidence of a pattern which has disturbed many premies at all levels for a while now. Some senior organizers have known of the allegations for 20 years, though they have only been more widely known since EPO published them. M has become sufficiently concerned by the slowly growing hostility to him to order that minders watch his children.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 18:39:21 (EST) From: Hey JM Email: None To: Jim Subject: This is an important BEST OF F..nt Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:11:12 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: Jim Subject: Yes! I hope the plane is next Message:

You can't live the lifestyle M leads nor his family for that matter, without a steady stream of large amounts of cash. I hope M was heavily invested in insurance stocks, particularily those that were short sold by good old Osama. Hell, all stocks are off, but perhaps, since Maharaji thinks himself so computer savy, he loaded his portfolio with lots of dot coms? I get the feeling this is more indicative of not only a fall in membership/donations and a soured economy but perhaps real problems with his 'investments?' Companies aren't paying dividends like they used to you know. I can't tell you how tickled I am. And if there is one person on this Earth who has never had to budget and probably wouldn't know how to begin, it's him, his spoiled wife and worthless children. I hope he goes bankrupt! I hope the finiancial stress makes him miserable. I hope he has to survive on Mad Dog wine for his daily alcohol fix and has to eat Spam out of a can for his sustenance. And what's with the minders for his children, they ain't kids anymore! Maybe it isn't too late for them to make something of themselves. This might be the best thing that ever happened to them. I will watch, wait and say a prayer. Incrediable post Jim. Fondly, Tonette

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 23:57:46 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Jim Subject: In your dreams. Message:

All very interesting Jim.Only thing that interests me is how you have assumed that the whole box and dice is a business activity. Only when you understand that such considerations will always be secondary to us will you perceive where things are actually going. Love doesnt have a budget ,a manager or a projected outcome. Cheers The Cat

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:43:39 (EST) From: The Maharaji of Malibu's Email: None To: CW Subject: control is demonstrated here by CW Message:

'Only when you understand that such considerations will always be secondary to us will you perceive where things are actually going. Love doesnt have a budget ,a manager or a projected outcome. Cheers The Cat' --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -- It is just that US mentality that the maharaji as a predator needs to maintain his business. Even if you yourself don't give money, you are serving the maharaji's needs by perpetuating this US mentality. Shame, shame, shame! Shame of fools!

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:24:50 (EST) From: Abi Email: None To: CW Subject: Are you david harper? Message:

because if you are then you know my dad and some other membes of my family. Why are you so secretive about everything? What are you hiding?

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:38:37 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Abi Subject: Re: Are you david harper? Message:

No I'm not.Who is David Harper?I've met your Dad.Names dont mean that much in cyberspace.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:01:41 (EST) From: Joe Email: kevjo@mindspring.com To: CW Subject: Cat, maybe you can help Message:

Since you seem to know everyone in premieland, who is the blonde American woman in the 'Passages' video, and is Gary Girard in that video? I'm just dying to know.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:11:24 (EST) From: Abi Email: None To: CW Subject: you've met my Dad? Message:

When was that exactly?

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:33:49 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Abi Subject: Re: you've met my Dad? Message:

Oh a while ago....

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 08:24:59 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: CW Subject: That was not a fair answer! Message:

I'm sorry to interject here. But Cat, your answer to Abi about her father was beyond vague, it's evasive and cruel. You, Cat read and post here enough to know the issues surrounding Abi's rape, her father's manipulation by M and her unending search for some sort of resolution. You dangle a tidbit of information concerning any of the above, suggest that you have information and then don't tell the truth. What's that you know about love? Listen, I don't pretend to understand you in the least. I would like to think the best I possibly can of you. However, help me out here. Is this a game to you? Have you never loved a child? Why are you doing this? Were you molested in your childhood or something? What exactly, is with you? Can you please illuminate me with perhaps, please, more than 50 words or so. You are obviously not stupid but at this point I think you are just plain cruel. Or perhaps a child rapist yourself. Tonette

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 08:38:07 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Tonette Subject: It was an honest one. Message:

Jesus Tonette, that was some of the silliest stuff I've read here. It was a simple answer to a simple question. Need I say last year at Amaroo?.There is not much more to it.It doesn't deserve 50 words. I know youre intelligent too but you are beginning to sound like my grade school English teacher!.Relax a little. There are lots of interesting things I have observed. Emotional fingerpointing tops the list here.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 14:29:38 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: CW Subject: Who's Derek Harper? Message:

Come on Cat, you know everything and you don't know who Derek Harper is? Yeah, right.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 15:53:56 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: David Harper was the Question? Message:

David.David,David

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 20:00:03 (EST) From: Abi Email: None To: CW Subject: who are you? Message:

forgodsake!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:13:05 (EST) From: Catweasel Email: None To: Abi Subject: Re: who are you? Message:

I woke up in a Soho bar,a policeman on his knees... Man I was a dreadful sight. He said 'Who are you ,who who are you?' Dont fret. I was one of 5000 and someone introduced me to your Da

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:20:50 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Re: who are you? Message:

Look there are all these sanctimonious twerps who carry on like pork chops when THEY read something into my staight statement. OK, I met your Dad.Now tellme why is that so unusual? I have friends who live up North. No big deal. As for who am I , I'm nobody.I have wandered around these parts for 4 years. So what? My identity is very unimportant. And I want to clarify one thing.I actually feel sorry for Derek.Me and him?Cheese and chalk.I reckon he probably wonders what the fuck is going on. Silly old Anth gets it in his head that I'm some-one and pushes it on the whole world.You know he used to think I was an English guy he once knew. I would like to talk to you. And I will make the effort.Just be assured I mean you no harm no matter what my silly American 'friends' may think. I just cant resist that old Pete Townshend line whenever some-one innocently asks me- 'Who are you?' Such a great song ,such a powerful lyric. It wont matter to you who I am until you know me. Then we might share a laugh and smile. But at the moment you may as well be asking a Nigerian refugee from Lagos 'Who are you?' It will make no difference. Anyway cheer up It's summer.I hear Perth is hot with the Grevillia's in full flower Have a drink on me. Cheers the Cat

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 03:47:32 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: I just don't believe this! Message:

What is wrong with you? If you are not going to answer her question then quit baiting her. I don't think Abi is enjoying this. FA, I don't know about this. This appears to be getting crueler than I want to witness. Cat, you may have attributes but they are pretty much cancelled out by this parry between you and Abi. All about love, eh?

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:36:55 (EST) From: PatC Email: None To: Tonette Subject: I agree, Tonette. Bad CW! Message:

You always ruin everything, CW, by adding something cold and cruel. Where's the love you tout? If you do not want to say who you are then just don't respond. That was a very unkind and childish thing to say to Abi. How old are you? 15? Nyah nyah na nyah nyah. Bad pussy. I will not change you litter box today. You can piss on your own shit and lick the mess out from between your own claws. And I'm saying that in the nicest possible way.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:30:15 (EST) From: Jethro Email: None To: Tonette Subject: Tonette, CW is an architypal Message:

bully and coward. He's one of those people you hear about who walk by in the street as someone is getting beaten up or raped or someone who likes to put the boot when someone is blinded and down....oh yes and he is a follower and lover of prempal rowatt aka maharaji who puts salt in the wounds of the weary and the weak(not protector). Sadly it seems that these days both go together as no premie is admonishing him here. Jethro

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:24:48 (EST) From: Catweasel Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Absolute frogshit Jethro Message:

Stop being silly> As the man in the movie said 'What we have here is a failure to communicate' Get of your high horse.At least until you can ride it well enough to get over the first fence!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:38:52 (EST) From: Jethro Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Like I've said to you before Message:

you do wonders for the ex-premie cause.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:47:28 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Re: Like I've said to you before Message:

Oh you silly, silly man. You are so used to running down railway tracks. Loosen your tethers . You are becoming corporate EPO. I've a good mind to get Sam and Lee to give you a good talking to. Jethro you have become a robot.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 22:20:13 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Abi Subject: Hi Abi (OT) Message:

Hi Abi, How are you? I'm going to email you this week. I hope you're doing well. Love, Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 17:14:19 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: CW Subject: Re: David Harper was the Question? Message:

So Abi got the 'D' mixed up. BFD. Derek Harper is the name she asked meant. So, my comment stands. Gutless wonder you are. Cynthia J. Gracie Vermont, USA

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:15:17 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: David Harper was the Question? Message:

I remember you.You made Lemon look like a choir boy.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 14:57:42 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: CW Subject: So, you know me? Hmmmm... Message:

What does that mean? You were at Deca? What color are my eyes, Cat? And you did contradict yourself: first you said you don't even know who Derek Harper is, and you knew Abi was referring to Derek when she typed David. I agree with the others here, you make mahaha look very bad by your presence here. And you do wonders for EPO and the exes here. So insult and insult again. You're a bad person, who likes to live in your own defecation. Enjoy!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 22:01:35 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: So, you know me? Hmmmm... Message:

What does that mean? You were at Deca? What color are my eyes, Cat? And you did contradict yourself: first you said you don't even know who Derek Harper is, and you knew Abi was referring to Derek when she typed David. I agree with the others here, you make mahaha look very bad by your presence here. And you do wonders for EPO and the exes here. So insult and insult again. You're a bad person, who likes to live in your own defecation. Enjoy! --- No Cynthia , you contradict me. Inever said I dont know Derek or of him. I said I dont know a David . Get the facts straight. Yes I have had the complete pleasure in the late 70's of watching you in action. Your eye's? Wouldn't remember. You believe what you like but I'm amused by your take on things. You and your buddies have zip cred. Try it on with the Law Enforcement agencies. They consider you lot a bunch of raving loonies.

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Date: Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 15:04:36 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: CW Subject: You don't comprehend well... Message:

Derek--oops!, I mean Cat,so I won't perseverate about it...you recognized the mistake to mix it all up as usual. If you read my post, which you included in yours above, you know that I know you are kidding no one here.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:21:02 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: CW Subject: I plead guilty. I tend to be so righteous. Message:

And I am way too serious on many things. But...... This issue of Maharaji and Abi's father, and her rape by one of Maharaji's instructors, is in and of itself an emotional issue. No getting around that I'm sorry to say. Could you please tell Abi what conversation you had with her father. What you think of Abi's father? How's he doing? What was the weather was like that day you met him? Do you know any of her other family members? And you are impossible to know and understand. You never told me the story I asked of you. In a soon to be archived thread. I have even lowered my request, I'm only asking 50 words this time not 150 plus. And love, the whole issue around Maharaji, what he expounds and claims to teach, what we all had found at one time by associating with him, can you get any more emotional than that? So, if you will give me the fingertips of our fingerpointing via our typing to each other, what other interesting things come to mind to you here, concerning the forum, in your experience of Knowledge and with your experiences with Maharaji? And would you please help Abi out a little? I'll tell you a story or an experience back. But only if you play fair. And two more things, are you anyway near the fires in OZ and do you have any children? Gently but not optimistic, Awaiting your reply, Tonette

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:20:38 (EST) From: jamet Email: None To: CW Subject: woohoo-go tell the maha that!!! Message:

wow, cat--all these months of acid sarcasm and suddenly you show your panties in a gust of wind. its about love? you gonna tell gulfstream that? the jet fuel suppliers? the airports when they dun for the hangar fees? I'm falling down laughing. I really am! any inclination i might have ever reserved for you, on the outside chance that you had a brain, I nw have all the data i need in order to delete that reservation. god, you're funny. you have the same urgent faith as a 5 year old in the tooth fairy and santa claus. you'll accept absolutely anything and everything the big people tell you! hahahahahahaha....oh man.....hee hee hee hee... hey--i tell you what , cat--let's put it to the test. if it's just about love and being together, let's have everybody stop giving money for a year and just send him their love. let's see how he takes that, shall we? really! i mean it! if this is all about love and not money, well, then no money shouldnt have the slightest impact on it, should it? and all the premies reading this can stop sending money for the next year and feel perfectly good about joining the experiement, with a clean conscience, knowing that it's only about love and their breath and how they feel towards the master, and money won't affect it at all. why, how blind I've been! of course it will hold up to such a test beautifully!

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:26:48 (EST) From: PatC Email: None To: jamet Subject: Nice one, Janet. Well put. Great! [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 00:40:55 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: jamet Subject: Re: woohoo-go tell the maha that!!! Message:

With your track record ,I'm flattered.Blind as a badger arent you?

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 17:16:45 (EST) From: JHB Email: None To: Jim Subject: What about the yacht? Message:

I would have thought the yacht, being completely useless for propagation (Amaroo and the Gulfstream are only 95% useless for propagation), should be the first to be sold. Unless he's already sold it........ John.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 15:10:33 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: JHB Subject: What ABOUT THAT Yacht Message:

Here's the link to the page on EPO which shows and describes all of maharaji's necessities. http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/finance1.htm#it4 [ The Yacht ]

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Date: Thurs, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:50:56 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Thanks Cynthia and JHB nt Message:

xxxxxx

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 08:40:07 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: JHB Subject: Gosh that would be fun to find out Message:

My time is so limited but can anyone look up the info on the yacht and see if we can tell? Is it still owned by SEVA Corp? My take is the yacht is long gone. I haven't heard any fund raising cries to maintain it. Not like the continuous push for Amaroo and the plane. Amaroo Second Mortgage Lower Line of Plane Third Mortgage Auction at Southerby's Prop Engine Premies suing for payments on their loans Chapter 13 Children Have to get Jobs Repossesion of His Malibu Property There's been many a good businessman who's lost everything. I would speculate there's been far more many cons who have lost everything. Final chapter, Maharji applies for a job with an airline. Is denied, can't pass the drug test. I wait, and wonder and hope against all hope that he will not take any innocents into ruin with him. I truly worry about those folks still duped. This could get ugly. And John, you won't leave anytime soon will you? This is your calling, a true public service. Love, Tonette

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:12:36 (EST) From: JHB Email: None To: Tonette Subject: I'm not leaving Message:

I looked up the yacht and it's still owned by Premo Marine Inc. I'm not going anywhere. It's kind of fun looking after EPO. John.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 15:56:52 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Good Riddance. Message:

Hi Jim, This confirms what we've had a handle on for a while. It shows what a paranoid little world they live in, and how inflated with their own importance they are, that they think the children need bodyguards. Although the cult have long been obsessed with security, so I guess it doesn't come as a surprise. In the past though, the security has been to protect the children, their mom and dad from premies, who were always seen as the biggest threat. What are they frightened of? They really are nuts. We have to thank Abi and Susan their bravery and courage, against all sorts of opposition, for speaking out against Jagdeo's crimes, and standing up against the wrath this stirred up in the cult. I wonder if Randy Prouty and Judy Osbourne's memories have been jogged yet. And I wonder how they feel about their part in the shoddy, cowardly coverup that has been going on to protect their master and his paedophile pal. Anth, think I'll pop a bottle of Stella.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 22:02:14 (EST) From: Pullaver Email: None To: AJW Subject: Minders Message:

Too bad Abi didn't have a bodyguard available to her.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 18:41:56 (EST) From: Kelly Email: None To: AJW Subject: Re: Good Riddance. Message:

It's very intereating. We hear confirmation again and again that the Jagdeo issue is the single most damaging thing in the Miragey edifice, and that Rawat's failure to deal with this has contributed to many becoming disillusioned and leaving the cult. When I approached Deepak Bhandari(Premie in charge of India) about this, I was already an exiting premie, but I still wanted to believe the best about my ex-master and especially about my premie friends. I spoke to him on the phone and he told me how he had challenged Jagdeo with the accusations, how Jagdeo had totally denied them and cried, and that later Jagdeo had come to him and said that he could no longer stay in the ashram with these accusations hanging over his head and had left. I told Deepak that I had serious concerns about young girls on the housekeeping staff in the Dehli ashram but he hasn't responded to this Since then, Jagdeo has left the ashram, been swept under the carpet, or so they think. It amazes me, that they don't realise that unless they deal with this issue properly, it will continue to destroy their empty edifice. It is bad enough that it happened, but to continue to deny it and especially to deny Captain Rawat's part in the cover up, is despicable, and this is what gets through, eventually to decent human beings. And the buck stops right here, at the feet of the Master! Hey Anth, thanx for recent message of support, just ran out of Stella, but cheers anyway!

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 17:13:14 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: AJW Subject: Jagdeo and Maharaji... Message:

Hi Anth, I have always known that this issue of the pedophile Jagdeo was something that would haunt Maharaj and EV. Good. They all are shameless. I'm glad to hear that it's been damaging to them. Unfortunately, the victims were re-victimized, but that's so typical of Maharaji. I think he lives in a box that's filled with mirrors--all he can see, think of, or care about is himself. Shame on all of them, from Maharaji on down, including Prouty, Osbourne, and Valerio for assisting in covering up these crimes against the children of the parents who were/are devotees. Because of all this shit, I not only consider Maharji not a god-in-a-bod, but below human. Cowards, all, and I don't care that they are in a cult. This is serious child abuse and I just cannot accept what these individuals have done to Abi and Susan, as well as the other victims have been so afraid to tell their stories. I posted an article above about the Vatican's new pedophile policies. It's so cultish. Yuck! Secrets and lies abound. Hand me the bard bag, please. Christ! Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 14:51:04 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Jim Subject: His children threatened??? Message:

What 'growing hostility' toward Maharaji would cause him to have 'minders' (bodyguards?) watch his kids? I know people are leaving his cult in fairly large numbers, probably larger than we have seen since the 80s, but have actual threats been driected at Maharaji? I would think his feeling would be more one of abandonment, and concern about his luxurious lifestyle, than fear for his, or his family's, safety. Can the person who wrote the above comment?

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 13:04:26 (EST) From: salsa Email: None To: Jim Subject: Why? Where this number comes from? Message:

Amaroo's running costs are just over $US500,000 annually, whereas the Gulfstream's are way over this. Can u tell me please?

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 16:11:04 (EST) From: Moll of Mole Email: mollofmole@loveable.com To: salsa Subject: Re: Why? Where this number comes from? Message:

'B' said it goes something like this, 10 staff X 15 thousand US = 150,000. Interest on 10 mill at 2% is 200,000. Which leaves 150,000 for rates, insurance, leases, legal fees, maintenance on the 6 toilet blocks, 2 halls, residence for his guruness, 10 cabins for the hangers on, 2 office blocks, 1 restaurant, 1 swimming pool ( for his guruness) 1 tennis court (same) 1 large hole in the ground where his guruness speaks, 1 gate house, 1 caretakers house and assorted workshops. I town centre area with cabins and huts for food and shade areas, 4 klms of road and 10 of unsealed road, water storage and treatment system, sewerage treatment system, underground power and 2000 acres of scrubby old Australian bush.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 19:19:41 (EST) From: Jim Email: None To: salsa Subject: I'll try to find out Message:

Silvia, Weren't the numbers simply pulled out of EV's annual financial report? -- just kidding. I'll inquire.

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:19:44 (EST) From: silvia Email: None To: Jim Subject: Re: I'll try to find out Message:

I read your post quickly in my way out -late- but for what you say all you posted come from the rascals? As I said, I read it fast but I wasn't sure if that was real. So is it a joke? Yeap, I'm slow and tired.... ahhahaha What a lie! I hope it catches up with him soon, for the good of many, including the father of my son who is still a premie, and who believes maharaji is the living Lord/God. thanks Jim())

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:40:30 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Jim Subject: What a great post Message:

Hi Jim, Wow! i knew EPO had impact but WOW! that is something else. Yes, time is on our side. The premies had deaf ears for such a long time because of the inconceivability of M doing wrong. But now the din of the EPO is finally being heard and better, digested. This is really good news. The cult glasses are coming off and the cult earplugs are coming out. it's a new day! Thanks for the good news. deborah

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 21:08:22 (EST) From: Anandaji Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Security concerns Message:

When I was in Miami in December, I was surprised that everyone entering the program had to go through a metal detector. I thought it was perhaps because of the 9-11 hysteria. The security check slowdown caused a problem, as people were lined up for about 2 city blocks inching toward the entrance. Suddenly, as the start time neared and it was obvious many were not going to get in on time, someone apparently decided to abandon the security check and just wave everyone in. I hadn't been to a program in years, but has this tight of security occurred previously?

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Date: Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:42:41 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Anandaji Subject: 1st metal detector was 96 or 97 Message:

at Santyogashram (Delhi). Can't remember exactly the date, 96 or 97. The machine was a bit funky, but worked. You had to go through it before entering the darshan tent complex. I'm sure Kelly remembers, she was there too.

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 21:16:27 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Anandaji Subject: Think it is very recent Message:

I haven't been to a program in over ten years. But we got reports of this from the recent small gatherings. None of this is helping Maha at all. Someone mentioned the EPO in a question directed to Maha at one program and the security sprung up at the following program. Coincidence, maybe. Question: Someone asked Maha if he meditated. He apparently told Maha he read somewhere on the EPO that he didn't. Anyhow, you have a remarkably similar to another poster. When did you start posting here?

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Date: Tues, Jan 08, 2002 at 21:26:59 (EST) From: Anandaji Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Re: Think it is very recent Message:

I only began posting on New Year's Eve, having stumbled upon EPO following the December program. Someone else mentioned another person with a similar handle, but that wasn't me.

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