JHB -:- Way is the latest CAC target -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:06:00 (EDT)

__ suchabanana -:- fascist cult fear tactics vs. legitimacy -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:00:46 (EDT)

__ __ Dermot -:- Apologies, Such -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 17:34:55 (EDT)

__ __ Jim -:- Excellente! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:29:50 (EDT)

__ __ a0aji -:- nice. [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:17:19 (EDT)

__ __ Richard -:- **Best Of F7** already! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:51:32 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Way to go Way. Congrats - nt -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:27:50 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- Way?? Who's next? Katie? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:19:29 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- 14 objections and Dettmers posts -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:26:45 (EDT)

__ __ salam -:- Re: Way?? Who's next? Katie? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:25:58 (EDT)

Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:06:00 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Way is the latest CAC target
Message:

Way and another never been premie have been added to CAC. Interesting that in Way's report, the cult is refered to as a new age movement.

John the looking forward to my entry

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:00:46 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: fascist cult fear tactics vs. legitimacy
Message:

Dear Sisters and Brothers:

Remember when miragey used to diss the internet all the time? Then he apparently instructed premies not to go to ex-premie.org Then elan vital staffers began telling premies to call it ex-premie.hate . Then Prempal recently made reference at an event to a 'war'. Now, voila!

Let's look at this spiraling recent pattern:

1) I just checked some search engines, and I counted at least 33 official or otherwise sanctioned elan vital and miragey international websites, a number of which are recent additions to the internet;

2) using both litigation and covert means, cult agents have simultaneously been trying to completely silence any public criticism of miragey [a controversial public figure] whatsoever worldwide;

3) cult members have spammed and hacked ex-premie websites/forums;

4) some cult members have urged others to commit violence against ex-premie critics of miragey, including taking a 'baseball bat' to them;

5) using a remote web base in Russia (curiously), anonymous miragey cult members are now using implicit/explicit blackmail to shut down or silence miragey critics;

6) cult members are revealing and publishing private email addresses, home phones, addresses, and other personal data of miragey's critics on the internet [including photos of their small children], as well as threatening to escalate these activities, thereby deliberately exposing the guru's critics and their families to foreseeable and imminent harm from deranged cult fanatics, especially in light of violence committed in the past by fanatical and otherwise deluded miragey cult members [including a murder in Florida committed by a devotee claiming to hear voices, a vicious assault by a devotee with a weapon on an aspirant, and in at least one case homicidal vengeance incited by miragey's own family and his instructors -- e.g. the 1973 assassination attempt on reporter Pat Halley];

6) cult agent provacateurs infiltrated and stole private information regarding posters at ex-premie websites, and they are now in illegal possession of [and may have shared] that information;

7) some cult members are presently waging a hateful blackmail scare campaign, using Red-baiting, homophobic, and right-wing Zionist political stances, as well as targeting the critics' families and places of employment.

This pattern has stepped up markedly ever since miragey began allegedly making references about an internet 'war' [as reported by posters who attended some events during the past few months]. Additionally, Pat Conlon has reported that he was tipped off by a cult insider that an internet vendetta was in the works.

It is my opinion that the cult is employing these patently fascist tactics as part of a concerted strategy to on one hand saturate the internet with pro-miragey propaganda, while instilling fear and stifling any valid criticisms or testimonies regarding miragey and his operatives -- that would inevitably expose his cult and its operations to serious public and governmental scrutiny.

This situation raises both ethical and legal issues, as well as certain personal safety concerns. Blackmail is a criminal offense in most countries, internet theft and dissemination of private or confidential information is also a crime, incitement to commit bodily harm is also a crime, and medieval guru-based fascism is not consistent with fundamental principles of democracy and freedom -- nor bona fide spirituality. Rather, these examples only serve to underline the validity of the many testimonials and criticisms about the guru and his personality cult [a registered church, btw], which has enriched him and his family materially substantially at the expense of thousands of his trusting and adoring believers.

For the record, I personally do Not regard 'premies' as my enemies. On the contrary, many of my closest friends for almost 30 years have been or still are premies, and I considered myself a true-blue devotee of miragey until I read enough documentation and testimonials on the internet at ex-premie.org last year to convince me to question and research as much in-depth information as possible about the finances, history, and insider accounts surrounding miragey, his claims, and his organization and its abuses. Combined with my own extensive experiences as a person who was involved for many years and did service in the organization in various capacities, I had to face the painful reality that I had been spiritually seduced into being a member of a feudalistic dictatorial cult.

I firmly subscribe to the view that the best course for cult critics and adherents is the protocol of civil dialogue, based on issues, facts, and testimomy, not based on fear or blackmail. If I have ever been impassioned in my own criticism of miragey, it is only because I sacrificed so much of my life, including material comfort, a career and my child, out of a misguided dedication to him in the past -- based on his repeated pronouncements during the 1970s of messianic divinity [which he never renounced] mixed with some simple yogic meditation techniques.

We have a protected legitimate right to voice our informed viewpoints regarding a public figure like miragey who has proclaimed himself to be a Master and who has thrust himself on the world stage as a messianic charismatic leader, accumulating vast wealth and a cult of thousands of devotees in the process.

In conclusion, the current fascist campaign of fear being waged against miragey's most ardent critics is absolutely contrary to the philosophy of the very peace he purports, although consistent with some past cult activities, cult-think, and the cult's denigration of dissenters - including miragey's own mother and older brothers.

In fact, miragey's own brother Satpal [aka Bal Bhagwan ji] has stated:
'History tells us that great massacres have taken place under the name of holy crusades, and that the great churches have not remained as churches but have become political tools for the exercise of power and wealth. To sum up, there is no evil which has not befallen us in the name of religion. Jesus, Our Master, gave us the commandment to 'love our neighbors as we love ourselves.' ... How would Jesus feel today, to see his children piling up the same wealth which he told them to distribute to the poor?' [source: Who is Guru Maharaj ji? Divine Light Mission/Bantam Books]

As from a blazing fire sparks of like substance fly forth a thousandfold, so from the Imperishable, beings manifold are produced, and return thither also. -- The Upanishads

Peace and lentils,

da lil' swami

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 17:34:55 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Apologies, Such
Message:

In a moment of un-thinking whilst typing (does anyone else do that or just me?) I referred to your post ovver on LG and said something to the effect ' maybe some points here and there are debatable but the broad thrust is true' . Hmmm why did I say that? To mollify the audience I was addressing or just sluggish thinking or the fact that I skimped through yor post while itching to type.

Whatever ....well I agree , it's a really really good post and I've bookmarked it for future reference.

Cioa

Dermot

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:29:50 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Excellente!
Message:

You really covered it so well, Such. This summary should make its way to relevant authorities. Good work.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:17:19 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: nice. [nt]
Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:51:32 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: **Best Of F7** already!
Message:

Excellent analysis Such. The fear of losing what remains of a bizarre religion is truly great amongst the intellectually challenged PWKs who have blackmailed David. It is the end my friend and the rats are frantically attempting to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic as it slips under.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:27:50 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Way to go Way. Congrats - nt
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:19:29 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Way?? Who's next? Katie?
Message:

This is ridiculous. Mind you, it already was ridiculous. It was ridiculous before it even started. We need a new vocabulary.

Anyway, yeah, talk about insulting, huh? Fucking creep(s). They can't even begin to hold a candle to Way morally or intellectually so they try this shit.

One funny result, though, has to be the further dissemination of his '14 Objections' letter.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:26:45 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: 14 objections and Dettmers posts
Message:

Either the author of CAC is demented or really working for us.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:25:58 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Way?? Who's next? Katie?
Message:

I know, lets make a sequel, Cyberstalker 2.

hahaha

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