Joe -:- More on the 707/Questions for the Mikes and Guy -:- Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 19:35:13 (GMT)

__ Michael Dettmers -:- More answers on the 707 -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:18:24 (GMT)

__ __ Joe -:- More answers on the 707 -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 19:24:23 (GMT)

__ __ Katie H. -:- Thanks so much, Michael -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 18:26:16 (GMT)

__ __ Joe -:- More answers on the 707 -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:58:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ la-ex -:- recent anecdote about amtext... -:- Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 05:47:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Interesting, La-Ex -:- Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 18:15:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Forum archives -:- Interesting, La-Ex -:- Thurs, Mar 22, 2001 at 00:28:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ Michael Dettmers -:- More answers -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 13:20:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Plane Fundraising -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 17:10:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Cult Businesses -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 17:20:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Joe - about the sale and of AMP and who benefited -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 17:44:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Wow -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 21:23:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- M was not the defendant -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 21:58:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ la-ex -:- Joe- Deltek, amtext... -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:31:22 (GMT)

__ Guy -:- More on the 707/Questions for the Mikes and Guy -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:24:03 (GMT)

__ donner -:- More on the 707/Questions for the Mikes and Guy -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 00:46:24 (GMT)

__ __ Joe -:- The Broadripple, Oy Vey -:- Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 00:59:38 (GMT)

Date: Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 19:35:13 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: More on the 707/Questions for the Mikes and Guy
Message:

Man, it's hard to keep up. There is so much good stuff being said. Michael Dettmers said the following in a post in the Inactive, about how Maharaji approached projects and the cost of same. Michael said:

Often, Maharaji would look at a budget and complain that it was too expensive. The first items he always questioned were the costs required to support the premies who would be working on the project. When we cut those back to the bare bones, he might decide to cut back on some of the requirements he had specified. Inevitably, thought, he would re-instate his original requirements, and then add a few more. Whatever budget we began with got completely blown and would have to be covered by another round of fundraising.

As has been said here quite a lot, in my opinion, the most damning thing about Maharaji isn't the alcoholism, or the drugs, or sex scandals, it's his almost complete, uncarring attitude towards the premies, even those who had dedicated their lives to him, at his direction. I highlighted Michael's comment above, which is yet another illustration of that.

But I have a question about the 707 that was a particular moral problem for me, and that was that the fundraising was done while lying to the premies about the fact that the money was going to a plane project.

If you recall, originally, a decision was made to not disclose anything about the 707, and the premies were asked to send in money monthly for 'a world tour.' Those of us in organizer positions in Elan Vital, were told to not disclose this, and to simply lie to the premies about what the money was for.

Second, like Michael said, the project kept running out of money, and we kept having to pitch to the premies that they had to send in more, even, finally, disclosing the existence of the plane because we were so desperate for cash.

Do either of you know how the decision to not disclose the existence of the plane was made? How closely was Maharaji involved in the funding issues regarding the plane?

I recall in about 1980, Dennis Marciniak, who was the President of Elan Vital at the time, told me that Maharaji was really upset that the plane project was out of money, and he wanted to plane so badly, and the apparently offered to turn over the cash he got from the money donated in the darshan line at an upcoming festival, to the plane project. This was, amazingly, presented as a statement of how sacrificing M was for the plane. I know this didn't happen, but do you recall any of that?

Do you guys know how much cash M would rake in at a darshan line in a big festival? One honcho who from the Pacific reported here that M would pick up a good $250 K at programs in Australia when he did darshan, in cash, and that she sometimes had to carry cash for his personal use accross borders for M's personal use.

Do you guys, or anyone else, know more about this?

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:18:24 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Joe
Subject: More answers on the 707
Message:

Joe,

If you recall, originally, a decision was made to not disclose anything about the 707, and the premies were asked to send in money monthly for 'a world tour.' Those of us in organizer positions in Élan Vital were told to not disclose this, and to simply lie to the premies about what the money was for. Do either of you know how the decision to not disclose the existence of the plane was made?

Frankly, I don’t recall that fundraising for the plane was kept a secret. I don’t see how that would that have been possible with premies from all over the world congregating in Miami to work on the project?

Having said that, however, let me provide some additional information about what was going on at the time the plane was acquired that may shed some light your question. At the beginning of the project, we had not yet determined the best way to own and operate the 707. If you recall my lengthy report about what took place in 1976 leading to the revival of devotion in 1977, I described a scene where Bob Mishler gave Maharaji two weeks notice to vacate the Malibu residence. Maharaji was determined that he would never be put in that situation again, which led to the restructuring and separation of his assets from those of Élan Vital.

It should not be surprising then that Maharaji felt he should own the 707. However, his lawyers strongly advised against this idea. We had run the numbers showing that the cost of owning, operating and maintaining the plane were astronomical and Maharaji simply didn’t have the personal funds to pay for it. Besides, they argued, even if he did have the funds, it made more sense to have the organizations that were created to spread his message pay for the plane. The tax savings alone convinced Maharaji that that was the wiser course of action.

By way of background, prior to the restructuring, Maharaji’s only source of funds were the gifts that premies gave him either in person, in the mail, or in darshan lines. Under the new structure, however, he would have to have a source of funds other than the gifts to pay for his lifestyle, upon which he paid all applicable taxes. In the 1977 audit we had established a precedent with the IRS that the “gifts of love” that were bestowed upon Maharaji were exempt from taxes. However, this situation could only be sustained if Maharaji could show that his lifestyle was not dependent upon receiving those gifts. If it was, then the gifts could be classified as income because they were his sole means of support. To address this concern, I focused my energies into creating taxable sources of income for him mainly by encouraging and facilitating premies who owned businesses to make Maharaji a shareholder in their enterprises. By 1980, Maharaji generated enough income to cover most of the basics of his then current lifestyle. However, he certainly could not have paid for the 707 out of those funds.

So, in the end, our tax lawyers prevailed and, as a result, we created the Élan Vital Foundation in Switzerland to coordinate Maharaji’s worldwide tours including the operation of the 707. Looking back more than 20 years, I can only surmise that, if there was any secrecy about the fundraising at the beginning of the project, it was because we weren’t sure how we were going to structure the whole operation.

How closely was Maharaji involved in the funding issues regarding the plane? Do you guys know how much cash M would rake in at a darshan line in a big festival? One honcho who from the Pacific reported here that M would pick up a good $250 K at programs in Australia when he did darshan, in cash, and that she sometimes had to carry cash for his personal use across borders for M's personal use.

Maharaji was only involved in the funding issues in as much as I gave him periodic reports on the financial state of the project. He definitely contributed some of the money he collected in darshan lines to the plane project as well as to his many other projects including improvements to his residences.

I agree with the person who reported that at a large festival M would pick-up in the neighborhood of $250K. As far as carrying cash, I know that when we traveled around the world in the 707, we carried large sums of cash to pay for fuel, ground services and/or to cover unexpected contingencies in situations where we could not establish credit terms. Of course, anything connected with the x-rated scene such as the purchase of wine, cognac, cigarettes, dope, etc. were always paid in cash. They were never part of the books and records, and all receipts were destroyed.

Michael

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 19:24:23 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: More answers on the 707
Message:

To address this concern, I focused my energies into creating taxable sources of income for him mainly by encouraging and facilitating premies who owned businesses to make Maharaji a shareholder in their enterprises.

Michael, how did Maharaji get around the possibility of this looking like a sham? It would seem to me, that if the IRS looked at it closely, that these 'shares' that Maharaji got in those businesses were also 'gifts of love,' which, at least legally, they undoubtedly were. I mean, he certainly didn't do anything to earn them, and if he invested in the companies, that would just be taking cash he got from premies as gifts and 'invest' them in those businesses. How did that work?

How much encouraging did you have to do for those businesses to give Maharaji shares? And how was that done? Did large shareholders just donate some of their shares to Maharaji?

And how did Maharaji get income out of those shares? Was it through the payment of dividends? Was there some other kind of income they paid him?

My understanding re Amtext is that Amtext just gave Maharaji the profits of the company as a gift, and that Chuck Nathan described M as 'the beneficial owner' of Amtext to a large number of people over the years, although hiding M's involvement from non-premies who worked for the company. Apparently, M is now THE owner of Amtext, according to La-Ex.

Thanks.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 18:26:16 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: Thanks so much, Michael
Message:

This post really clears up a lot of the confusion here about the Maharaji's vulnerablility to audits by the IRS, laws about charity, etc. Appreciate it.

I also think he was quite lucky to have you and some good tax lawyers working for him.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:58:56 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: More answers on the 707
Message:

Thanks Michael, just a couple of comments and questions. Your answers are putting a lot of the pieces of the puzzle together for me.

Frankly, I don’t recall that fundraising for the plane was kept a secret. I don’t see how that would that have been possible with premies from all over the world congregating in Miami to work on the project?

At least in the beginning, it defintely was a secret. I was in Chicago when the fundraising began and it was all in the name of a 'world tour.' Then, in May, 1979, I was sent to IHQ, and that's when I first heard about the plane. When I got sent later that year to DC to be coordinator, it still wasn't known to the vast majority of community premies that there was a plane, and we were still fundraising for a 'world tour.'

Obviously, more and more premies began to find out about it as they got sent to Miami to work on the plane, and as I said, by sometime in 1980, in the course of several emergency fundraisers to keep the plane project from tanking, it was finally publicly revealed.

In what businesses did Maharaji become a shareholder? Was Premark one? Was Amtext one? How about Deltek?

I also recall during that period there was a major push to get premies to donate not only to Elan Vital, but to send money via check made out to Guru Maharaj Ji, and send them to Malibu. So, I guess this was in line with the separation of the mission finances and Maharaji's finances. The ashrams I lived in sent Maharaji himself 10% of their income and also 10% to Elan Vital. This would have been around 1977-1979 period.

Actually, the ex-premie told me that she carried cash accross country borders in violation of currency laws so Maharaji could have cash for his personal use. For example, she mentioned a 'vacation' in Bali, in which Maharaji and his family spent $15,000 per day on vacation accommodations (and probably lots of cognac and drugs).

Here's something I've been thinking of asking for awhile. Where did Maharaji buy his dope?

Thanks, Michael

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Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 05:47:51 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: recent anecdote about amtext...
Message:

Joe-

A book buyer recently called up amtext and asked them if M is the owner of amtext.
He is a devout christian and was obviously repulsed by M having anything to do with his work efforts.

After hemming and hawing, one of the premies admitted that they did indeed know of M, but said that their only connection to M is that they attended a lecture by him about once a year or so....(they are actually totally involved with many personal things around Miami for M...)

He told them they were full of shit, and quit on the spot.

BTW, when he asked the premie if they were a Christian or not, they replied they were.
He asked what they did as a Christian, and their response was that they were baptized....
He replied-'Have you done anything else in the last 50 years with Christianity?'
A long pause from the premie at amtext, and the Christian buyer knew that amtext wasn't his type of place...
Also, a non-premie (Christian) in the amtext office was quite interested in the M connection, and said that it really bothered him...

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Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 18:15:52 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Interesting, La-Ex
Message:

Because I think you remember Joey was saying something about this some time ago, although at that time, he believed Chuck Nathan, and maybe some others, actually owned Amtext, and Maharaji as just the 'beneficial owner,' getting the profits.

Now that Maharaji owns the business outright, maybe that ought to be publicized. That should just be public information, and ought to be out there, especially if the cult is lying about it.

I wonder what Chuck Nathan got out of all this, other than the chance to 'participate?'

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Date: Thurs, Mar 22, 2001 at 00:28:39 (GMT)
From: Forum archives
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Interesting, La-Ex
Message:

Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999 at 21:55:46 (EDT)
From: Blue Bird
Email: None
To: NIM
Subject: AmText FYI
Message:
BUSINESS TYPE: Corporation - DATE INCORPORATED: 12/04/1985
Profit STATE OF INCORP: Florida
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Business started 1985 by officers. 100% of capital stock is
owned by officers.

CHARLES NATHAN. Background unavailable.
P D POTTER. Background unavailable.
PAULA C BLANCHE. Background unavailable.
ROBERT A JACOBS. Background unavailable.
MICHAEL V DETTMERS. Background unavailable

Amtext Inc
Text Mart
11900 Biscayne Blvd
Miami, FL 33181-2743

TELEPHONE: 305-892-0900
COUNTY: DADE MSA: 5000 (Miami, FL)
REGION: South Atlantic

BUSINESS: Wholesales and Retails Books Periodicals and Newspapers

PRIMARY SIC:
5192 Books, periodicals, and newspapers
51929901 Books

SECONDARY SIC(S):
5942 Book stores
59420000 Book stores, nsk

LATEST YEAR ORGANIZED: 1985
STATE OF INCORPORATION: FL DATE OF INCORPORATION: 12/04/1985
ANNUAL SALES REVISION DATE: 01/03/1998

LATEST TREND BASE
YEAR YEAR YEAR
(1996) (1994)

SALES $ 1,400,000E $ NA $ NA

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 13:20:42 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Joe
Subject: More answers
Message:

Joe,

I not arguing with your memory but let me add that Maharaji continued to tour and do large programs between the time he told me he wanted his own flying residence, and June 1980 when the 707 project was finally completed. Despite M’s aversion to using chartered aircraft following the Rome incident, we continued to charter large aircraft with executive interiors for his tours until the 707 was ready. So there was a period of time when we were fundraising for world tours involving the charter of expensive aircraft, and simultaneously moving forward with the purchase and refurbishment of the 707. I don’t remember how all of that information was communicated from a fundraising perspective, but it is very possible that funds were being raised for a world tour as well as the 707.

In what businesses did Maharaji become a shareholder?

Yes to all of your questions. Let me add that in la-ex’s contribution in this thread below, I disagree with the suggestion that income was “funneled through a complex set of arrangements that make it tax free or at least taxed less.” Of course, M’s tax attorneys took advantage of every legitimate tax deduction and loophole, but there was nothing illegal or particularly complex about how his taxes were calculated and paid. As I mentioned before, he was audited at least two other times after the 1977 audit and sailed through without incident.

I don’t dispute the ex-premie’s story about carrying cash across country borders in violation of currency laws so Maharaji could have cash for his personal use, although that was certainly not the norm regarding the handling and management of M’s finances. At that time, before the emergence of a truly global economy, many countries had very restrictive currency controls that made international travel almost impossible for its residents.

In one of my previous posts I mentioned that M was not able to travel to India from 1976 through 1980 because his mother and eldest brother had launched a number of bogus lawsuits against him. We eventually cleared up the mess with the help of some very capable Indian attorneys. I remember dealing with one in particular who was a prominent member of parliament, an internationally respected criminal lawyer, and quite wealthy. Yet Indian currency laws restricted him from traveling outside of India with more than a few hundred dollars, barely enough to cover one night’s hotel bill in New York. Consequently, he was delighted whenever he had an opportunity to work for international clients who were willing and able to pay him in cash pounds or dollars whenever he visited London or New Your, which is precisely what I did.

Where did Maharaji buy his dope?

I didn’t handle that aspect of his business but if I did, I’m sure it wouldn’t have been that difficult. When I was running the safe houses in Toronto before I received Knowledge, we grew our own, but that’s another story.

Michael

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 17:10:53 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: Plane Fundraising
Message:

I don’t remember how all of that information was communicated from a fundraising perspective, but it is very possible that funds were being raised for a world tour as well as the 707.

I don't know what the motivation was, but I was told specifically, as community coordinator, and when I was in the legal department at DECA, that the 'world tour' fundraising was actually for the plane, but there was a conscious decision (I don't know from whom) not to mention the plane in the fundraising. I also remember that when we were finally given permission to tell the premies that the money actually WAS for the plane, which was when we needed cash desperately in 1980, when the plane was at least half finished, a lot of premies, especially outside Miami, didn't know about it, and still thought the money was for a 'world tour.' The way it was explained me, was that there was just a preference that attention not be brought to the plane project, for a number of reasons.

For one thing, in 1979 there had been a few really negative and extremely sarcastic stories about Maharaji in Life Magazine (on Holi Festival, 1979) and in the Miami Herald that emphasized Maharaji's extravagant lifestyle, while noting at the same time, Maharaji had hundreds of devotees in Miami Beach, living as renunciates, etc., in decrepit old, hotels. Premies were becomming a fairly obvious group in Miami Beach (and in Hialeah) at the time. The plane would have been just another thing for the media to pounce on. I remember one day the TV stations showed up at the Broadripple Hotel doing some kind of expose around this time when I was CC. I think there was a short item on the evening news, but no mention of the plane, more focusing on all the premies in Miami Beach.

By the way, the Krishnas had an ashram next to the Surfside Hotel, in yet another hotel on Miami Beach. I guess the low rents on the Beach at the time was attractive to a number of cults, not just DLM.

Also, at DECA, we really tried to keep up the pretense that DECA had nothing to do with Maharaji or Divine Light Mission. This had about as much success as the Chevy Vega, due to the 'Keystone Cops' way most things happened around that place, (I have a couple of funny stories about this) but I think the secrecy with the fundraising was associated with that. In the legal department, I saw how DECA wasn't in compliance with any of the applicable laws regarding safety, labor, various permits, etc., and due to the lack of money, not much was going to be done about that. So that was also part of the reason to keep it secret, too. I know that DECA eventually evolved into a legitimate company, I guess after the plane was finished, but that wasn't the case at the time.

That's all I can tell you. I do remember feeling a bit uneasy about the misrepresentation at the time. Also, in 1980, a premie in Miami 'defected' (don't recall the name at the moment) and was interviewed in the Miami Herald, a guy who worked in the finance department at DLM, and one of the points he mentioned was that the fundraising for the plane was misrepresented to the premies. I guess that was one of his 'drips.' Certainly, after that, there was no point in trying to hide anything.

Thanks again, Michael.

Joe

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 17:20:49 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Cult Businesses
Message:

If Maharaji had an iterest, for example, in Prem Mark, I assume he made lots of money when it was sold. I think I heard on the Forum that it was sold.

One thing that has really bothered me about some of the businesses in DLM is that I believe that some premies (and of course Maharaji) became rich off the backs of essentially slave labor. [I know you have explained the situation with the aviation company, and I not suggesting that was the case there.]

One example for me were the Rainbow Grocery stores in Chicago. When I was in Chicago, part of the time I was on the Board of Rainbow Grocery, Inc., a non-profit, Illinois cooperative, and helped get financing for building a second store. One store was already operating on the near-north side, and we opened another one on the far-north side, near where the ashrams were, in Rogers Park.

Anyhow, nobody really put any money into these stores, they just reinvested the earnings to expand, the store having started out with nothing, just a cheap lease and free premie labor.

Part of the reason they were successful, is that a large number of ashram premies worked at the stores, and considered it 'service.' They were paid amazingly low wages, I think even below minimum wage, with no benefits whatsoever, and were subsidized by those of us in the ashrams (like me) who held regular jobs. As ashram housefather in Chicago, it was always a terrible stretch to get all the premies to festivals, for example, because the ever-increasing number of premies working for Rainbow brought in very little income.

It got to the point by 1978, that Maharaji said the stores shouldn't close during festivals, and I remember that the ashram premies, in connection with the Kissimmee festivals, for example, went to the festival in 'shifts,' each attending part of the festival only. Also, ashram premies started being sent to Chicago from other places to work in the stores. I remember one or two came from the Denver store, for example.

And it wasn't only ashram premies either. There were community premies who worked in those stores for practically nothing at least partly because they considered it 'service.'

Anyhow, the stores became quite successful, and, eventually, this expanded into a distribution company, and at least a thrid sore, and was in some ways tied into Prem Mark, but I don't think ever became legally a part of Prem Mark, although the new store was called 'Prem Mark,' as opposed to Rainbow. I left Chicago in 1979, so I don't know all the details.

Eventually, I think the structure changed to a corporation and the stores and the distribution company were sold for millions, and the people in charge, who I guess were the shareholders, and mabye Maharaji was a shareholder too, by this time, became quite rich. However, it seems to me this was partly acheived through cheap, premie labor, through people who thought they were serving the living God. Also, it was brought about by those of us who subsidized those people, who wouldn't have otherwise been able to survive. Of course, all those people, including me, got nothing from the deal.

In retrospect, it is unlikely those stores would have ever made it, were it not for the extremely low labor costs, essentially free 'sweat investment' those stores got for many years.

There are ex-premies who post on this forum who could tell you more about all this.

There is something that stinks about all this, and one of the things I would like to see is more information disclosed about how all that happened.


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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 17:44:55 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe - about the sale and of AMP and who benefited
Message:

Joe, I posted this above in Guy's thread. If you missed it here is some info on AMP's sale a couple of years back to B.E. Aerospace in Florida. This is second hand from people there but widely known about.

AMP was sold to B.E. Aerospace for something like $165 million. In order to keep AMP alive, key people were offered 'shares' in the business in exchange for low pay and long hours. When the sale happened, apparently each of the key employees and investors, including M, received several $million each - $7 mill is what I heard the key people got for their shares. M and the other 'investors' maybe got more or less. The CEO of AMP received around $65 million. Naturally there were some hard feelings among non-shareholders and guilt among the new millionaires. There is one lawsuit between two of the key people. During that trial there was perjury by one of the key employees to protect the defendant. When asked if AMP was in any way connected to Élan Vital, this long time and active PWK said he had never heard of EV. Don't know if this was ever settled.

Again, this is confirmed by several current premies in Miami. If I have posted inaccurate information, please corect this.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 21:23:54 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Wow
Message:

Do you know if Maharaji was sued? Was that the 'defendant' that the person committing perjury was trying to protect? There was a trial? The transcript of that should be available.

I would think the records of the case would be public information. Do you know where the suit was filed? Miami? Do you know when the lawsuit started?

I don't know now how all that worked. First it was IMMCO and then DECA, and they were owned by some strange corporate structure, and I don't know who owned the shares.

Then DECA was sold to AMP, is that right? I assume DECA was bankrupt and AMP just bougt the assets and got the employees. Who owned DECA? Who owned AMP? Who decided who the 'key people' were and who got shares? I guess that was all part of the lawsuit.

Thanks.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 21:58:52 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: M was not the defendant
Message:

One of the key people sued another key person over who got what.

The case was brought in Miami about 1998 - 99, I think. The way I heard this is the perjury was to protect EV / M but was used as a trick by the prosecution to get the person to lie under oath so he/she would be discredited. If they lied about EV then the rest of their testimony was invalid a la Mark Furman in OJ trial.

The management knew AMP could not exist without the key people who were heads of various departments. The names are well known amongst Miami premies. So they were kept on board via 'shares' in the company. These could have been just paper but, like some of the tech IPO millionaires, it paid off for them. Frankly, I'm glad somebody benefited after all those years of dedication but it would have been better if everyone benefited some.

I think I heard there was a non-PWK silent partner who was eventually bought out before the sale to BEA.

I don't know how DECA became AMP.

Again, all of this is common knowledge in the DECA / AMP Miami community.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:31:22 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe- Deltek, amtext...
Message:

Joe-

I believe M is involved with Deltek (probably gets a share of profits)in some way, and I think he stays in Don Delaskis mansion outside DC when he goes there...
I believe most of their money was made from Defense Department contracts..

Aa far as Amtext-he owns it completely.
Chuck Nathan originally owned it, but formally signed it over to M a few years ago.
The money generated by amtext goes into a fund for M that can be used by him for either personal or touring purposes.
Chuck explained that it is funneled through a complex set of arrangements that make it tax free or at least taxed less(he said it was a loophole type of rider that was passed by Congress to give rich people a tax loophole and way to keep their money more hidden).
I think the net total M takes in is about 2-3 million/yr from Amtext in the US, but there are also amtext operations in Europe...

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:24:03 (GMT)
From: Guy
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: More on the 707/Questions for the Mikes and Guy
Message:

I don't have anything to add. I was never involved in fundraising.

I did live at some pretty crummy digs....until I went high society and moved in with Katie and John. But that's another story.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 00:46:24 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: More on the 707/Questions for the Mikes and Guy
Message:

joe...commenting briefly on the main point above...main point for me at least, re m's lack of care for the premies. most definetly he had little regard from start to finish. imagine any project, festival, situation where he and premies intersected...take a festival...of course he would want to cut back on the budget in areas tht applied to premie comforts, conveniences, even simple normal procedures....while at the same time his back stages became more and more elaborate, his off site residence larger and more elaborate...ie australia....or anywher for that matter. ashrams come and go for his convenience only...remember DUO or unity school...examples of things created for his convenience or that of his family (really his own, often to keep his kids and wife happy so he could do whatever).

dettmers will comment probably on the money thing...250K in a darshan line in austrailia...that was about 1 and 1/2 fast cars...maybe two tanks of fuel in the 707...another great convenient toy for him and his desire to fly and pilot...to be the youngest 707 certified pilot...and broadripple for the rest of us. (yes, me too for most of the time)
\ the list is endless.

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Date: Tues, Mar 20, 2001 at 00:59:38 (GMT)
From: Joe
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To: donner
Subject: The Broadripple, Oy Vey
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And the Algiers, and the Surfside. Those old, sad hotels on Miami Beach were we lived. Really something. God, I HATED living in Miami then. I can remember looking at the jets flying over and wishing I was on one of them. It was such a zoo.

Michael, what 'officially' was your job during those years? Were you on the OGM staff? The residence staff?

Did you know Linda Smith at OGM? I knew Linda pretty well from Chicago and from IG=HQ, and she told me a lot of the same things Michael Dettmers has said here about Maharaji's alcoholism and sexual misconduct.

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