Amnesia
Why would anyone believe that he is the 'Lord of the Universe'?
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Nigel -:- 'Amnesia' question: reply to Mike Fronke -:- Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 00:26:09 (GMT)

__ Mark A -:- I Second That Nomination -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 15:52:44 (GMT)

__ Carol -:- 'Amnesia' question: reply to Mike Fronke -:- Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 07:32:52 (GMT)

__ This is just wonderful!!! -:- Excellent(NT) -:- Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 02:44:41 (GMT)

__ Tonette -:- I nominate this thread for the best of the forum -:- Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 01:53:27 (GMT)

Date: Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 00:26:09 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: 'Amnesia' question: reply to Mike Fronke
Message:

Mike, you asked:

Why would anyone believe that he is the 'Lord of the Universe' in the first place? How could you and the others here even judge that?

I replied:

OUR LORD IS THE MAKER OF ALL THINGS CREATED
HE KEEPS THEM AND BRINGS THEM BACK HOME TO HIS WORD
OUR LORD'S THE SUPERIOR POWER IN PERSON
I BOW DOWN BEFORE SUCH A WONDERFUL LORD...

Straight answers, Shroom:

Did you used to sing this song..?

If so, was it:
- several times?
- one thousand times?
- maybe every night, year in, year out for a decade or more between the end of satsang and prostrating yourself before his picture?

(1) Did you believe what you were singing?
(2) Would you feel happy singing it again if The Maharaji advised it would be good for your practice of The Knowledge?

Posing a simple question to you is a bit like trying to shovel wet spaghetti up a wild-cat's arse (not that you'd want to...)

But guess there's no harm in trying: it is the things you fail to answer which, for me, are the most instructive.
>>

You replied in a post entitled 'I never sang that song Nigel' (and to which I now reply):

>>
I received Knowledge on May 2, 1982 in a Los Angeles ashram. I did try to sing along on several occasions in Miami at a big event but I didn't know the words.

Question (1) was 'did you believe what you were singing?'

So I'll reword the question to accommodate new info:

Question (1) - reworded: 'Assuming you understood the words you were trying to sing along to. Did you believe them?

Then your reply went on:

My point is that even if I believe that Maharaji is the Lord and he showed me God within myself, does that make it a fact?

No, but it would shed light on what you DO believe, and help us have a straightforward conversation.

Can anyone know one way or the other? If God appeared to me, what would he look like? If he had a face and a voice, how would I know he was God? If he was just a big white gob of energy, how would I know?

Big questions Mike, but regardless of the 'right' answers,

(Question 1a): don't you think people claiming to be God in human form have some sort of responsibility to those they are addressing and requesting donations from? Do they know enough about white gobs of energy to instruct the rest of us?

To me, it boils down to devotion. How much do I love my creator?

(Question 1b): How can you love that which, by your own admission, you don't know?

(Question 1c): Why did Maharaji demand our devotion unless he WAS God in human form, as claimed?

Before Knowledge, I loved God but in a kind of vague way. After Knowledge, my love has increased. It is more focused. It is more grateful. It is more peaceful. Do I know God? No.

(Question 1d) So what do you love?

But I do feel much love for Him. I attribute that to Knowledge and to Maharaji. He awakened my thirst. And helped me to quench it. And continues to do so.

A quenched thirst should need no further quenching from the man who awakened it. You make him sound like a pusher at the playground gates.

But like I said to start with - it's like shovelling wet spaghetti up a wildcat's arse, as evinced by the fact you only evasively answered Q1 and ignored Q2 completely.

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 15:52:44 (GMT)
From: Mark A
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: I Second That Nomination
Message:

Please post this in a conspicuous place
It is the essence of the 1984 syndrome
most existing premies and ex-satguru himself suffer from
it should be required reading.

it frames a central weirdness
that any loyal premie must honestly face
i have yet to meet one who can.

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Date: Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 07:32:52 (GMT)
From: Carol
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: 'Amnesia' question: reply to Mike Fronke
Message:

Good questions and post, Nigel.

I don't personally care for the kitty reference, although, as a simile it does create a vivid picture of 'impossibility'.

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Date: Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 02:44:41 (GMT)
From: This is just wonderful!!!
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Excellent(NT)
Message:

NT

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Date: Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 01:53:27 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: I nominate this thread for the best of the forum
Message:

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